1 00:00:10,359 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join 2 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,480 us as we dive into the deep end of the 3 00:00:17,559 --> 00:00:19,839 unexplainable and try to piece. 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,559 Speaker 2: Together what happened. You are listening to locations on No 5 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,719 What's up? Everybody? 6 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:39,399 Speaker 1: Welcome back to our part two of our special Halloween epics. 7 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,920 It is Halloween. Happy Halloween. I'm your co host, Joe. 8 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,759 You're out them with me? Is always is a guy 9 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:48,960 who always seems to be missing on a full moon. 10 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:50,560 Mike Vanda Boguard. 11 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: Thank you, Joe, And it's amazing we wore the same 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,280 clothes on Halloween. 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: You can't just like just like a week and a 14 00:00:57,399 --> 00:00:59,880 day ago. It's like we never left the table. 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,039 Speaker 1: It's your patron subscribers that this is not Halloween. This 16 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:06,680 this is just tomorrow. Yes, no today, but yes. 17 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: But thank you to all of our amazing listeners for 18 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:12,079 tuning in to part two of our. 19 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:16,799 Speaker 1: Oh I haven't heard this part? Oh yeah, I love 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,599 this music. You chose all right anyway, keep going. 21 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, So thank you for tuning in. 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,599 Speaker 3: This is part two of our Halloween special Crazy Case 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,640 of Double Disappearance in the the deep in the mountains 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,439 of Colorado Breckenridge area. I've been in the Breckinridge It's 25 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,920 really amazing in the winter. 26 00:01:35,159 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: And what's cool is I still don't know if I'm correct. Yes, 27 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:40,519 I mean this is only a couple minutes later for me. 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,159 It might feel like a week for some of you. 29 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:45,799 But so I've been on pins and needles for at 30 00:01:45,879 --> 00:01:48,920 least five minutes, so. 31 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: I'm eager to get back into this thing. Yeah. 32 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:54,079 Speaker 3: So, just to recap Joe your eyes, there's some kind 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,359 of love triangle going on with the two missing individuals 34 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:00,400 in the husband of one of the missing INDI visuals, 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,560 and maybe that led to some kind of double murder. 36 00:02:03,599 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: Who knows what happened. Yeah, I feel like there's a connection. 37 00:02:06,439 --> 00:02:08,080 I can't quite put my finger on it. 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: I think for those of you that don't know this case, 39 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,879 you'll find this episode pretty crazy, some of the things 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,520 that happened in it. But okay, I want to call 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,479 the show. It's Halloween. I do we want you to 42 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,479 call into the show two eight three nine o one 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,280 six nine one three if you're out having a few 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,000 drinks on this great Halloween evening. 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's okay, So everybody pull your car over. Yes, 46 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:34,639 if hopefully you're not drinking yet. If you're yeah, you're right, 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,719 absolutely not. If you're sitting in your house, you're at 48 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:39,360 your job right now, get a pen out, yes, open 49 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:46,800 your phone. Type in two zero eight three nine one 50 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:51,919 six nine one three. That is two zero eight three 51 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:55,479 nine one six' nine one three. 52 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: Special if anyone uses the voice of the Goofy dracula 53 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:04,439 from like The Sesame street like one, dude you'll. 54 00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: Definitely get the. 55 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: Count you'll definitely get on a special patron episode because 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:10,599 if you. 57 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:13,479 Speaker 2: If you do the count on our, toll if you 58 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:13,680 do the. 59 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,759 Speaker 3: Whole episode in that, voice you'll make it. On and If, 60 00:03:16,759 --> 00:03:18,120 Montana mike. 61 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: Or, Not i'm worried About i'm very, worried very worried 62 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,960 about The halloween's probably a very special day for. THEM 63 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:26,639 i think Their sasquatch wives may have turned on. Them, 64 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:31,080 yeah maybe there's a we want a proof of life. Check, Yes, 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,120 Montana mike And North Dakota. Ned, yeah we haven't heard 66 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,319 from you a. While we're getting really, worried getting very, 67 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:38,360 worried but, yeah call. IN i think it'll be really. 68 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: Fun we'll release this episode earlier in the, day probably around, 69 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,199 noon make plans later in the night to. Call maybe 70 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:46,719 you're out with your, friends have your whole group join 71 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,120 in on the. 72 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: Call, absolutely my sister's getting married On. Halloween oh. Really oh, yeah, 73 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,879 yeah she's a lot of. Fun she did it on. 74 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:55,960 Purpose so we're going to have a costume. Wedding it's 75 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,439 gonna be a good. Time so Maybe i'll. 76 00:03:57,319 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: Call you should call. It i'm gonna get people at 77 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:59,759 the wedding to call. 78 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: In. Yeah so all, right, everybody all, right, everybody let's 79 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:24,639 gear up and get out to explore locations. Unknown last, 80 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,399 week we introduced you To, Bobby, joe And, annette two 81 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:32,120 women who vanished the same night while hitchhiking From, Breckenridge. 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,519 COLORADO a brutal winter storm buried the, region and searchers 83 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,639 brave sub zero temperatures Across Oosier pass and surrounding. Wilderness 84 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,480 all they found were scattered belongings and a haunting clues 85 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,120 left in the. Snow, tonight we pick up where that 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,639 search left, off as the mountain begins to reveal what 87 00:04:51,800 --> 00:05:11,399 really happened on that frozen. Night, Mike i'm only good 88 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:14,920 for like errorless intros one time a. NIGHT i know 89 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,959 you nailed it at. First oh, NO i gave a, 90 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:19,639 fist pump and. Everything at that, Time i'm, LIKE i 91 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:23,759 already did this. One, okay, yeah last, week last, week 92 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,439 we took you back to the winter of nineteen eighty. 93 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: Two that was not ten minutes. 94 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:30,759 Speaker 1: Ago it was last, Week, yes a winter that Brought 95 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,680 colorado's high country to its. Knees the tiny ski town 96 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,959 Of breckenridge was buried under snow and ice as a Brutal. 97 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: Arctic front swept across The. 98 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: Rockies temperatures plunged to nearly forty degrees below zero on 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,279 the ridge lines Of Pike National. Forest it was under 100 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:49,040 these conditions that two, women twenty nine year Old Bobby 101 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,600 Joe overholtzer and twenty one year Old Annette, schnee vanished 102 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,879 on the same, night just hours. Apart both were last 103 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,639 seen hitchhiking south From, breckenridge heading home along the same mountain. 104 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:03,800 Corridor hitchhiking wasn't unusual back. Then it was how locals got, 105 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,120 around a ride into, town a lift back over the. 106 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,279 Pass it was part of mountain. Life When Bobby joe 107 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,000 didn't return home that, night her Husband, jeff went, searching 108 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:16,160 driving the dark snow blown roads Towards Hoosier. Pass the next, 109 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,120 morning a rancher miles away found her driver's license and 110 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:22,959 wallets scattered on his, driveway and Just jeff discovered more 111 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:26,800 of her, belongings a blue, backpack a bloodstained, glove and 112 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:30,360 tissues in the snow near the. Highway search teams mobilized 113 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:34,399 quickly skiing Across Hoosier pass in whiteout, conditions battling the 114 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:37,720 same sub zero winds that likely swallowed both women the night. Before, 115 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:42,279 meanwhile co workers in Nearby frisco Reported Annette schnee missing 116 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,920 after she failed to show up to work after two 117 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,920 days in a. Row she'd last been seen At breckinridge 118 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:50,720 drug store filling a prescription and speaking with a woman 119 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,680 no one could later. Identify if you want the detailed 120 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,759 description of the, location we also went over Some halloween. 121 00:06:57,759 --> 00:06:59,519 Facts we probably should have saved those for this, one 122 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,839 but you can go back and listen to. It give 123 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,279 us some more give him some more. Stats, yeah go 124 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,839 back to the last. Episode we talk about who they, 125 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:10,040 were kind of their, experience the character, profile character. Profile 126 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,800 but for the people who hate that part of the, Show, 127 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,160 yeah this is Your halloween trick or treating. 128 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:17,759 Speaker 2: Gift, yes we're going right into the, Timeline, baby right 129 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,439 into the, timeline like take it. Away all. 130 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: Right this is probably the craziest part of part, two 131 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:27,839 And i'm going to introduce a new character to this. 132 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:31,800 Story It's january sixth of nineteen eighty. 133 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:32,279 Speaker 2: Two it's. 134 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: Late it's around ELEVEN. Pm so during a severe blizzard 135 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:41,360 with the temperatures dropping to minus twenty and wins gusting 136 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:45,639 to fifty miles per, Hour Allen lee phillips truck got 137 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:50,160 stuck in a deep snowdrift on the ten thousand Foot Guinela. 138 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:54,639 Pass it's a, remote unplowed mountain road near both crime, 139 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,680 scenes Straddling Clear creek And Park. Counties, phillips who was 140 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,439 then thirty years, old was a local miner From, Dumont. 141 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,759 Colorado he so this is. Contested some reports say he 142 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:10,680 activated an EMERGENCY cb radio, signal and then this part 143 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:14,160 is reported he was flashing his headlights In morrise code 144 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,360 to spell sos so three short three long three short 145 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,399 flashing do. 146 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: Do do do? 147 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: That? 148 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: God, YEAH i, KNOW i, KNOW i know My morse, 149 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,639 code don't you? Know this is the crazy. 150 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,079 Speaker 3: PART a sheriff's deputy on a commercial flight overhead at 151 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,039 thirty thousand, feet spotted the flashing lights through the storm 152 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,000 and alerted authorities on the ground. 153 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: That that is. Wild that is. 154 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,919 Speaker 3: Wild, Yeah so from thirty thousand, Feet Sheriff Harold bray 155 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,279 reads three, short three, long three short sos flashing up 156 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,600 from a closed mountain road flying an airliner at thirty thousand. 157 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:51,879 Speaker 2: Feet. 158 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,919 Speaker 3: Geez so this triggered a, again we have this kind 159 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,720 of telephone game with this a little. 160 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: Bit so some. 161 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: Things some reports state it was a massive rescue operation 162 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,960 that involved THE Us Forest service and The Colorado National 163 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,440 guard and, helicopters but for more official, reports it was 164 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,000 just a kind of a local, operation so it involved multiple. 165 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: Agencies so this. 166 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: Was maybe for local that's. Massive, Yeah, well involved two 167 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:21,320 small mountain. 168 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,879 Speaker 3: Towns, yeah to Involve Clear Creek County sheriff's office and 169 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,799 local fire. Departments, rescuers including Fire Chief Dave, montoya who 170 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:32,720 Knew phillips from their shared work at The Henderson, mine 171 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,600 braved sub zero, conditions heavy, snow and zero visibility to reach. 172 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:41,559 Him they used, snowmobiles four by four, vehicles and ground 173 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,039 teams on. Skis the operation lasted for several hours into 174 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:48,039 the early morning On january, seventh with the rescuers risking 175 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,240 hypothermia and. Avalanches phillips was found cold but, alive with 176 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,559 a prominent bruise on his, face which he had claimed 177 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,480 was from falling in the snow while trying to free his. 178 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,960 Truck it was wrapped in, blankets given hot, drinks and 179 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,759 transported down the pass for medical. Checkup the rescue actually 180 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,039 did make national headlines as a heroic tale of survival 181 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,679 and community, effort with no connection to any crimes noted 182 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:14,039 at the. 183 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 2: Time, okay it's. 184 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: Now january seventh of nineteen eighty, two three, pm searchers 185 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,759 Discovered Bobby joe's, frozen fully clothed body in a snowbank 186 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,279 at the summit Of Hoosier, pass approximately ten miles outside 187 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,759 Of breckinridge and about four hundred feet south of the 188 00:10:32,759 --> 00:10:36,360 summit along the. Road she was found with zip ties 189 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,240 on one, risk suggesting an attempt to restrain, her and 190 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:42,039 had been shot twice at close range in the. Chest 191 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,279 Holy Cow, jeff who was part of the search, effort 192 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,960 pleaded with authorities to see her body and identified her 193 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,399 at the. Scene an autopsy concluded shortly after that and 194 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,240 confirmed no sexual, assault and the presence of the zip 195 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:58,960 ties and gunshot wound indicated a violent. Struggle like we 196 00:10:59,039 --> 00:11:02,919 said in part, One, jeff, okay there's a scene an 197 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:07,600 image of where her body was. Found oh, wow so 198 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,000 just off the. Road, Yeah, jeff like we, said had 199 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:14,519 become an initial suspect due to his proximity, involvement though 200 00:11:14,519 --> 00:11:18,519 no charges were filed at the. Time In february nineteen eighty, 201 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:21,240 two a similar attack herd In Summit, county a woman 202 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,759 was beaten with a hammer and raped according after accepting a. 203 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,799 Ride Tom, luther another new, subject was. Arrested he had 204 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,480 a violent, history especially against women as and was a potential. 205 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:37,200 Link law enforcement thought they had their, guy but no 206 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,879 evidence connected him to The annette And Bobby joe, cases 207 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,559 and he was only convicted for the, assault which he received. 208 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: A ten year. 209 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: Sentence luthor would later be linked to an actual murder 210 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,639 in that, area but it was not related to these. 211 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:52,519 Speaker 2: Cases. 212 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: Yeah kind of some, crazy crazy stories coming out of 213 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,759 there at this. Time we are now fast forwarding To 214 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:04,480 july third of nineteen eighty. TWO a thirteen year old 215 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,600 boy was fishing when he discovered the body of a 216 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,200 net face down In Sacramento, creek about twenty three miles 217 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,399 south of The breckinridge drug store where she was last. 218 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:18,039 Seen this would roughly be about seven to thirteen miles 219 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,919 From Bobby Joe joe's discovery site and about seven miles 220 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,639 From jeff's home In. Alma she was fully clothed but in, 221 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,360 disarray Broken jean's, zipper Broken jean, zipper shoes on the wrong. 222 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:34,039 Feet forensic show she had been shot once in the, 223 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,519 back with a downward angle exit wound on the, front 224 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,799 suggesting she may have been on her knees or running 225 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,440 downhill towards the, stream and no bullet was ever. Recovered 226 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:47,519 they also suspected a sexual, assault but could not be 227 00:12:47,639 --> 00:12:51,120 confirmed to the decomposition from the time in the. Water 228 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,039 no physical evidence was found at the scene except for 229 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,080 an orange booty sock on her left. Foot so there 230 00:12:57,159 --> 00:13:00,799 is that, Actually so, yeah, okay so matched the one 231 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,000 found Near Bobby joe's, body which formally linked the. Cases 232 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,480 jeff's business card was also discovered inner jacket pocket during the. 233 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:11,399 Investigation and THEN i just want to make a note 234 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:14,360 on that's from when he gave her a ride, Originally. 235 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: So, yeah it's. Interesting how everything's linking. 236 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,919 Speaker 3: UP i just wanted to make a note to some 237 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,480 of the DISTANCES i, mentioned like seven to thirteen miles 238 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,080 From bobby's site and seven miles From jeff's home are 239 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,480 approximate from secondary. Sources official pages stick with the twenty 240 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,759 miles From breckenridge, Figure so just put that in your. 241 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:35,279 Head so it's now nineteen eighty, eight and this is 242 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,879 per secondary. Sources so crime labs tested the bloody glove 243 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,799 AND dna was a mix of hers and an unknown, 244 00:13:42,799 --> 00:13:47,039 male's not the, husband's and the husband was cleared at 245 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,159 this time of any possible connection to the. Murder, okay 246 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:54,639 nineteen eighty, Nine, again this is per Some And joe's 247 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:56,720 got a picture of the creek area where A net's 248 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,600 body was, found so that's roughly the area where she was. Found, 249 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:04,200 Yeah so nineteen eighty, nine a task force was. Formed 250 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,279 detectives pursued leads like an armed, carjacker but it was dead. 251 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,080 Ended there's an nuts genes that were recovered from the crime. 252 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,639 Scene i'm not showing the, Screen oh, NO i. 253 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: Am were you not showing the whole? Time, NO i 254 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,080 was showing it for part of. 255 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: It, okay that's WHY i always tell you not to 256 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:22,399 always say. It sometimes we're not chilling the. Screen oh 257 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:24,679 so there there's the sweater. 258 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:24,879 Speaker 2: At the bullet. 259 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: Hole that's the bullet hole That Bobby joe was wearing the. Sweater, 260 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,639 Okay so nineteen ninety five, Again oh and there's the. 261 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:36,399 Speaker 1: That's still wild that that an airliner saw AN sos 262 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:36,879 signed from the. 263 00:14:36,879 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: Truck, Yeah joe's we're looking at a news clipping from the. 264 00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:43,799 Speaker 1: Time we did have the map pulled up the second, 265 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,080 one so that's what the truck. 266 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:47,799 Speaker 2: Was, yeah and this is where the body. Was. 267 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: Yep, Okay so nineteen ninety, five detectives Revisited Tom luther 268 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:57,919 as a suspect but turned out to be another dead. 269 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:01,120 End now we are getting in the era OF dna. 270 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:05,639 Analysis it is two thousand and. Two this is again 271 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:09,360 per secondary. Sources SO i keep saying that because there 272 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,240 are some like official sources that were using for, information 273 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,600 and then there were secondary sources where people went and 274 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,919 were reporting they talked to different people involved in the. Case, 275 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,840 okay long after it. Happened SO i mean we're in 276 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:24,279 two thousand and, two, now this happened in nineteen eighty. Two, 277 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:27,879 yeah so a lot of time has. Passed so at this, 278 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,799 time an unknown MALE dna from the glove was entered 279 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:33,360 into THE codis data, bank but there was no. Matches 280 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,679 now this is gonna start getting very interesting how they 281 00:15:36,759 --> 00:15:41,200 ended up tracking down the actual. Killer so early twenty. 282 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:43,440 Twenty we're in the twenty twenty, now so you can 283 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,240 see how this. Happens in nineteen eighty, two a, decade 284 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,879 two decades go, by, nothing. 285 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:50,159 Speaker 2: Then there's like a little fragment of. 286 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: Information then in two thousand and, two and then another 287 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:54,279 twenty years and then and then. 288 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: Five years ago or picking right back. 289 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: Up, Yeah so early twenty, Twenty Park County Detective Sergeant 290 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,960 Wendy kip and Investigator charles McCormick partnered with The Colorado 291 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,399 bureau Of, investigation which is CALLED CBI, fbi and private 292 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:12,799 forensic genealogy Firm United Data. Connect they uploaded the crime 293 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,519 SCENE dna to public databases and started building family trees 294 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:18,679 that narrowed suspects To phillips and his. 295 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:19,039 Speaker 2: Brother. 296 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: Bruce the brother Of Alan, phillips was ruled out since 297 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:26,679 he did not have Any colorado. Ties It's, january Late 298 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:32,440 january twenty twenty. One investigators covertly COLLECTED dna From Alan 299 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,879 phillips from a discarded discarded trash at a sonic drive in. 300 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:37,919 Speaker 2: Got pulled up right. 301 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,519 Speaker 3: Here, yeah so there's a picture of the actual. Evidence 302 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,399 they had a bag and a napkin and they were 303 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:47,840 able to GET dna off of, That and On february 304 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,039 twenty third of twenty twenty, one official lab results matched 305 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,240 the unknown male profile from nineteen eighty two To Alan. 306 00:16:54,279 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: Phillips that's. 307 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,519 Speaker 3: Wild so In february twenty, fourth one day, Later, phillips 308 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:03,000 who's NOW u, seventy was arrested In. Dumont though there's 309 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:05,759 a picture of him from from back in the. Two 310 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,359 he was arrested In, Dumont colorado for the murders Of, 311 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,880 Bobby joe And, annette who disappeared On january sixth of 312 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,240 nineteen eighty. Two he was charged with two counts of 313 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,000 first degree, murder, kidnapping and. Assault phillips denied involvement was 314 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,759 but was extradited To Park, county and this marked the 315 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:28,319 beginning of the resolution of the what people started calling 316 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,400 The Orange Sock murders cold. Case the arrest revealed That 317 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,519 phillips had committed the murders hours before his. Rescue so 318 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,799 the crazy thing was he had just murdered the women 319 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,359 hours before that crazy rescue. 320 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: Happened that's. Wild. 321 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 3: Yeah he had picked up a net around four forty 322 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,279 five pm while she hitchhike out Of, breckenridge assaulted and 323 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:52,559 shot her in the back as she fled downhill towards the. Stream, 324 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,359 Jeez and this was the one where they there was 325 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,240 possible sexual assault indicated by the condition of the, clothing broken, 326 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:03,599 jeans a broken jean, zipper shoes on the wrong, feet 327 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:08,000 and she lost one orange. Sock it was A christmas 328 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:11,160 gift from her. Mother in his. Truck, later around seven 329 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,759 point fifty, pm he picked Up bobby hitchhiking Towards almah 330 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:18,799 via the pass and attempted. Assault she fought, back hitting 331 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,759 him with a brass key, ring causing the bruise that 332 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:24,559 they found on him when they rescued, him which he 333 00:18:24,599 --> 00:18:27,799 claimed was from just falling in the. Snow she jumped, 334 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:31,359 out dislodging the sock and was shot twice in the 335 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,839 chestick close. Range phillips dumped the bodies in a remote. 336 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,480 Area he lived freely for, decades marrying and having children 337 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:45,039 while the victim's families. Grieved the case was considered ironclad VIA, 338 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,119 dna though no murder weapon was found and his defense 339 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,279 was trying to challenge evidence. Collection On march third of 340 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,000 twenty twenty, one the arrest was publicly announced by The 341 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:59,720 Colorado bureau Of. Investigation On august twenty ninth of twenty twenty, 342 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,200 two the trial. Began evidence INCLUDED dna, matches the orange 343 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,920 socks linking the, cases the bruise from the, keyring and 344 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,960 the ironic. Rescue the trial lasted for about two and 345 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,759 a half. Weeks the jury deliberated for four to five 346 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:21,400 hours and Convicted phillips on eight counts two first three, murders, kidnappings, 347 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,119 assaults and, robberies and this received a lot of attention 348 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,480 at the. Time it was covered in CBS's forty Eight 349 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:31,200 hours Episode lasting In breckinridge and dubbed The Spree murder 350 00:19:31,279 --> 00:19:35,079 or Rampage. Killing On november seventh of twenty twenty, two 351 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,960 at his, sentencing emotional victim impact statements From jeff the 352 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:43,200 husband called him a despicable and evil, being and thats 353 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,559 sister Noted phillips live freely while her family Suffered, phillips 354 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:50,799 at age seventy, one was sentenced to two consecutive life 355 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:57,319 terms without, parole and this forty year journey to justice 356 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,720 was highlighted by emphasizing the genetic genealogies, role which is 357 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:06,279 similar to another case called The Golden State killer. Case and, 358 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:09,599 then On february twenty, seventh twenty twenty, three to wrap 359 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,079 all of this, Up, phillips at age seventy, two died 360 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,279 by suicide At Arkansas Valley Correctional facility and no foul 361 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:16,839 play was. 362 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: Suspected, wow so that is as? Wild isn't that a 363 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:22,960 wild ending to? 364 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: THIS i feel really bad THAT i like went after 365 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,920 the husband like well and you you got? 366 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: Me you made me THINK i was, RIGHT i got? You. Yeah, 367 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,279 NO i mean the craziest part of this was the. 368 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,319 Rescue that, yeah that's that's pretty. 369 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 3: Wild and not even just the, rescue but it was 370 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,519 hours after he had just murdered both of. 371 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: Them, well it's, like you wonder if he didn't get, 372 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,680 rescued if he would have perished out, there and then 373 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,799 they would have been able to solve the. 374 00:20:46,839 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: Case, yeah because they would have had HIS, dna but 375 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:52,359 they would have had the weight to. Test. It, yeah 376 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:52,640 a good. 377 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,759 Speaker 3: Point but the crazy thing is too before what DID i, 378 00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:58,839 say so if we would have covered this case four years, 379 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,200 ago official results weren't matched To phillips Until february of 380 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,119 twenty twenty. One for forty, years this case went, unsolved 381 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:14,559 and your theory might have been, Plausible, yeah until just very. 382 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:19,480 Recently that's wild and it's crazy how they gathered the. 383 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,759 Evidence so they took HIS, dna put it in a 384 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:25,839 genealogy to database like an ancestry dot, com and built 385 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,559 a family tree. 386 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: And realized, It oh, crap there's someone related to somebody 387 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,960 who was rescued very close. By, yeah that was passing 388 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,119 through on the exact same. 389 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,799 Speaker 3: Night and then they covertly got HIS dna from garbage At, asonic. 390 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: WHICH i mean that would be easy to do once 391 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,640 because like he's been going around for forty, years is completely, 392 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:45,359 Like I'm i'm in the. 393 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: CLEAR i got away with. This after forty, years he's. 394 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: Seventy he's thinking like he probably never in a million 395 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,680 years thought they would get him FROM dna from. 396 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,799 Speaker 2: Garbage, yeah OR i think he just thought he got 397 00:21:57,839 --> 00:21:58,160 away with. 398 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 3: It, yeah that's wild and it's it's crazy to think 399 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:03,799 that cases are still being closed that. 400 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,519 Speaker 1: FAR I i love that BECAUSE i don't know in 401 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:11,039 like in a, sense it would make anyone just keep 402 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,799 like the rest if you do something that, Heinous, yeah 403 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:16,680 like the rest of your, life. 404 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: You have to look over your. Shoulder. 405 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, no you can't just get away with. It well 406 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,000 in something wild can come up or, occur and it can. 407 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,319 Speaker 3: Just can you google quickly When i'm curious WHEN dna 408 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,519 testing started becoming or started getting used in murder, cases 409 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,160 because this case is kind of like in the perfect 410 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,680 time line of oh wow. 411 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: That SO dna testing was first used in murder case 412 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,960 In england in nineteen eighty six to solve the Narrow 413 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,839 borough murders Of Linda mann And Don. Ashworth in THE, 414 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,799 us it was first used in a courtroom in nineteen eighty, 415 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,880 Seven so it's been used for a. 416 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: While, Yeah oh the. 417 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: Code in nineteen, NINETIES i established the codis The COMBINED 418 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,400 Dna Index system, database which began as a pilot program 419 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,079 in nineteen ninety and was later formalized by THE Dna 420 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,359 Identification act of nineteen ninety. Four so they only started 421 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,319 centralizing it in the nineteen. 422 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,519 Speaker 3: Nineties and LIKE i, said they put THAT dna into 423 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:18,960 THE codis database. 424 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:19,079 Speaker 2: And didn't have a. 425 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,799 Speaker 3: Hit, yeah and when did commercial genealogy go? 426 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 2: Live i'm, CURIOUS i can't spell, Genealogy that's. 427 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,759 Speaker 1: Okay commercial genealogy began in two thousand with the launch 428 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:36,079 of both Family TREE dna And Oxford, ancestors which offered 429 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:39,599 direct to CONSUMER dna testing for. Genealogy this marked a 430 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,200 shift from academic studies to public access to genetic genealogy. 431 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,279 Tools that's like the libertarian in me is, like, OOH 432 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,759 i don't want to give MY dna. Away but then 433 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,880 there's also justice being served as a, result because that guy's, 434 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,480 answer like one of his family, members was LIKE i 435 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,559 want to learn about my, heritage and that got him. 436 00:23:58,599 --> 00:24:00,519 Speaker 2: Arrested, yeah that's. 437 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: Wild so that's the crazy thing, Too like even though 438 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,559 THE fbi database was around from nineteen ninety HIS, da 439 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,680 he had never committed another crime where it would have been, 440 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,079 collected so it wasn't in the. Database it wasn't until 441 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,599 the two thousands where they were able to because when 442 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,599 DID i say they put that in? There that was 443 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,400 back in early twenty. Twenties, yeah, yeah twenty twenty One, 444 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,799 February so they didn't enter HIS dna INTO cotis until 445 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,880 two thousand and. 446 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: Two, yeah and oh, no it was official lab results 447 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,000 match the unknown mail from nineteen eighty. Two that was 448 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:34,519 twenty twenty. 449 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 2: One, Sorry so. 450 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,079 Speaker 3: They actually in nineteen eighty eight actually analyzed THE dna 451 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,920 and realized it was a mix of her blood and 452 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,920 an unknown. Person so that far back they were analyzing, 453 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,640 it but there was no database to plug it. 454 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,759 Speaker 2: Into, yeah they put it into THE. 455 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 3: Fbi database and there was no match because he had 456 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,000 never committed a crime where it would have been. Collected 457 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,240 it took until the twenty twenties for the genealogy site to. 458 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,079 Match you, know it's probably like cousins and uncles and 459 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,680 aunts and whoever. Else and they whittled it down to 460 00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:11,519 his brother may have must have put HIS dna in, 461 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,039 there like his BROTHER'S, Dna and when they were able 462 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:17,759 to match it get it down To BRUCE'S, dna they're, like, 463 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:19,000 OH i wonder If bruce has a. 464 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,319 Speaker 2: Brother, yeah it's just. 465 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,839 Speaker 3: Crazy i'm still that that set rescue was wild that 466 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,480 someone in thirty thousand feet in an airline jets saw 467 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:28,440 THE sos. 468 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: Signal's and to think about if that, rescue if he 469 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,359 didn't get a. Rescue maybe he would have, survived, yeah 470 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,839 and got out of, there and then there'd be no. Record, 471 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,559 yeah could they wouldn't be able to place him in that. 472 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 3: Spot that was probably THE dna evidence is pretty. Ironclad 473 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,440 but also having the fact, that. 474 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,519 Speaker 1: But think about it forty years, later if you can't 475 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:51,880 prove that he was in the area at, All, yeah 476 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,160 and it's OLD dna. EVIDENCE i bet like a shady 477 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,480 lawyer could just be, like, okay like you've used RANDOM 478 00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:01,440 dna from an ancestry, thing like, know but like the fact, that, 479 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,359 no this IS dna of somebody who also was rescued 480 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,720 in a daring way within hours during a major, blizzard within, 481 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,559 hours the two women going missing with and oh he's 482 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,400 got a bruise that has the shape of the. Keychain, 483 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,480 Yeah like that's pretty that's slam, dunk slam. 484 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 3: Dunk and then you add THE dna evidence and, no 485 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,440 jury is not going to convict. 486 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,319 Speaker 2: Yea that but that was that's, wild a wild. 487 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: CASE i CAN'T i can't BELIEVE i had never heard of. 488 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: It, well you were born in eighty, five, Right, yeah 489 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,240 so you're but. 490 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: It was all over the news a few years. Ago, 491 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,440 YEAH i GUESS i don't, REALLY i didn't see. IT i. 492 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,559 Speaker 3: Don't i've never been one of those, people you know 493 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,720 how sometimes those public court like some there was one 494 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,200 not too long ago where the husband killed his wife 495 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,920 and the court case was on the news every. 496 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 2: DAY i just don't get into. That, YEAH i never 497 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:52,920 know what's going. 498 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,799 Speaker 1: On SO i never would have probably think for like 499 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:56,519 a semi true crime show we would be. 500 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,799 Speaker 2: Scouring but we're, like. 501 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,559 Speaker 3: Well and this is a Case i'm surprised we hadn't 502 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,640 covered because it was two women who went missing in 503 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:11,000 the wilderness at elevation where their bodies were found in crazy, 504 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:13,200 circumstances and it was the case went. 505 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: Cold, well we typically don't cover. Murders, yeah so even like. 506 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:22,000 Unsolved it's just we covered In hawaii that in The 507 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,119 Appalachian trail one and The Ohio norseman. 508 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,519 Speaker 2: Killer. 509 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay so we have to we have to start 510 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,400 expanding our reach and doing more of these, stories the 511 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,519 ones that are more. 512 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 3: Wild this ONE i just couldn't pass up because of 513 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,480 the crazy. Rescue, yeah and just the fact that it 514 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:43,480 was hours after he murdered, Them, like what are the 515 00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:47,119 chances that's that's he probably got stuck trying to get 516 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:47,359 out of. 517 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: There As, yeah. 518 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: Exactly he's probably driving erratically or, something, yeah like making 519 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,680 bad decisions. 520 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: And he's probably, Thinking, Oh i'm gonna get out of. 521 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 3: Here no one's going to be up, here and then 522 00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:57,839 he gets stuck and he's, like, Oh i'm, done, yeah 523 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:58,680 and then he gets. 524 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: AWAY i think it's for forty. Years, jeez it's. Crazy, 525 00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,279 Yeah well it's a wild. 526 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,279 Speaker 3: Call in when you call us On halloween and let 527 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,319 us know what you think of this. Case, yes a 528 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,480 little unusual for us to cover a case like, this 529 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,079 but it has a lot of outdoor elements of. It, 530 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:17,519 absolutely it was one of the crazier Cases i've ever read. About, 531 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:21,359 yeah one hundred. Percent but thanks again for tuning into our. 532 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,440 Show have a Great. 533 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: Halloween we appreciate all of you for listening and sharing 534 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,519 locations and known with your friends and. 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