WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:47.399 Oh thats are hello, and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:51.439 This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan, 3 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:56.000 I'm Jacob and Jacob. We're getting a little meta today, sir. 4 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:58.439 I do, I do want you to know that, but 5 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:01.960 we are going to bring in a lot of scientific 6 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:07.319 things to this conversation, just for those left brain logical, 7 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.480 you know, intellectual type of individuals. I understand, you know, 8 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.000 sometimes you need a little science to back up some 9 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:17.359 of these claims. And I think that that's perfectly logical 10 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:21.200 to think that way. And you know, I tried getting 11 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:23.480 Sean on for this show tonight. He wasn't able to. 12 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:25.959 I was gonna try and make it like a cult 13 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.599 ex meta kind of conversation, but he had some shit 14 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.200 going on. That's totally fine. I'm still gonna bring the 15 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:35.159 fucking meta hammer today. Okay, it's gonna get a little wild. 16 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:37.000 I do want to say I'm under the weather. So 17 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:40.519 if my voice sounds a little raspy or whatever, then 18 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:44.920 just know, you know, I'm I'm I'm hammering through trying 19 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:47.319 to trying to make it happen. But and that's why 20 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:49.599 I figured, you know what, at least we can talk 21 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:52.480 about a topic that I have a lot of research into. 22 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.400 I have a pretty pretty good understanding of what's going on. 23 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:02.439 And we're gonna get weird today, sir, are you I am? Okay? 24 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:05.280 So first off, we are going to be going on 25 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.639 near death experiences. This is something that has been a 26 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.759 passion of mine to to research and to try and understand, 27 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.400 and so we have plenty of articles today that we're 28 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:18.800 going to be getting into. If you don't know what 29 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:22.840 a near death experience is or an ND, it's basically 30 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:27.120 somebody dies, you know, whether it's on you know, the 31 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.879 the operating table or wherever. Most of them the ones 32 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:34.159 that have been very well documented and and tried to 33 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:36.879 poke and prod and and no it's not this, and 34 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:38.879 no it's not that it is this. It is that 35 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.719 whatever certain claims can always be made if if it's 36 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.759 just you at your house, right, But whenever you're on 37 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:49.240 an operating table, then there's a lot that's that's a 38 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:50.800 that's a different story. Right. 39 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.120 So when we say near death, do we mean somebody 40 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.560 that was pronounced dead, flatlined and all these things and 41 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:00.240 then woke up? Are you talking about somebody who who 42 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:03.039 was in a coma and then woke up from that, 43 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:06.759 Like when you say near death, to what level do 44 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:07.520 we mean here? 45 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:11.520 Well, let's get to it, because I've had people come 46 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:13.680 and tell me that they've had a near death experience 47 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:17.120 and then I hear what they actually experienced and it 48 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:20.360 wasn't a near death. So whenever I say near death, 49 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:23.919 that doesn't mean like you almost died. No, like you 50 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.680 died and then you somehow, you know, maybe you were 51 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:31.520 resuscitated or something caused you to come back into this reality. 52 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:35.840 But for a moment, for a glitching time, you existed 53 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.759 somewhere as something else. That's the best way I can 54 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:43.520 put it. And I like doing these kind of shows 55 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:47.560 for mainly I like doing it so that people can 56 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.960 just stop being scared to die, like I'm not. I'm 57 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:53.479 of course you want to try and you know, push 58 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:57.199 and postpone that as far as you can. But you know, 59 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:59.960 most people today, in this day and age, are doing 60 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:04.080 everything to get by, and they're operating on fear. And 61 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.000 that fear is like, well what if I die and not? 62 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.400 You know what I mean, Like, it's always it's always 63 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:11.759 something like they're they're operating out of fear, and I 64 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.639 don't I don't like that because yes, death is unknown, 65 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:20.319 uncharted territory, right, But at least I feel like these 66 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.360 these stories, can you know, shed a little light on 67 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.199 what may transpire once we die. 68 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.600 I feel that, And I mean, aside from my own 69 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:35.040 religious convictions being afraid of death, I understand people being 70 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:38.800 afraid of how they're going to die. Right. Nobody wants 71 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.560 it to be uh. Nobody wants to be slow and painful, right, 72 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:49.439 nobody wants it to be some slow, agonizing months and years. 73 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.240 And nobody wants to be burned alive. Nobody wants to 74 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:54.759 drown to death. I'm like, the fear of how one 75 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:57.040 is going to die, I completely get. I mean, I 76 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.199 guess in some way I also have that. The fear 77 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:02.839 of death, even as a youngster, has never made sense 78 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.720 to me. It's like being afraid of taxes, like you're 79 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:08.399 going to have to pay them regardless. Why are we 80 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:12.600 afraid of them? It's inevitable exactly. And although and again 81 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.040 religious dogma to the side. Here, aside from us not 82 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.600 knowing what's on the other side, we have faith on 83 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:21.480 what's on the other side, and some people have a 84 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:24.639 conviction of knowing what's on the fine all the things 85 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:27.800 I understand that. It's like, if anything, is the fear 86 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.199 of the unknown, right, I think that could be the 87 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.439 closest connection to this. But because it's an inevitable unknown, 88 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:37.199 it's not like a fear of skydiving, and if you 89 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:39.639 never experienced it, you don't know what it's about. But 90 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.160 it's also the fear of the unknown. This is an 91 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.600 unknown that no matter what you do and how you 92 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.920 live and whatever, you're going to be confronted with it eventually. 93 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:50.959 And I feel like that's people's biggest fear, is that 94 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.439 because it is an inevitability and because there are so 95 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:58.079 many unknowns around it, that's why they're scared. I don't know, 96 00:05:58.240 --> 00:05:59.959 but it's never really checked out to me, because it's like, 97 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.839 if anything, shouldn't we just embrace it as a part 98 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:05.920 of life. But I know I'm weird on that. 99 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.839 Yeah, I mean, and everybody's different in regards to this. 100 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.680 And look, I'm not trying to sit here and prove 101 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.279 where we go when we die. This is not the 102 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.959 point of this episode. It's to prove in my in 103 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.639 the best way that I personally can what what caused 104 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:24.439 me to come to the realization that we still exist 105 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:28.160 once our bodies die is by reading thousands of near 106 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.720 death experience stories. And now I'm not gonna lie. At first, 107 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.319 I was trying to figure out what's the real truth, 108 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.120 you know, or do we go to heaven? Do we 109 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.680 go to hell? Do we go to somewhere else? Do 110 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.079 we do we even go anywhere? Right? Just trying to 111 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:45.079 figure it all out, And one thing persisted. I mean 112 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.160 the stories vary, I mean they they vary from A 113 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:50.120 to Z bro and all the way back to A. 114 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:50.720 Like. 115 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:52.839 I'm not trying to sit here and say that I 116 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.519 know for a fact that everybody's going here. I'm not 117 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:59.240 saying that, right, But one thing does persist, and that 118 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:03.240 is that we go on like and that's the point 119 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.199 that the entire point of this episode is just to 120 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:10.040 prove that we do go on once the human body dies. 121 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:15.160 And that might spount to me initially it was conspiratorial 122 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.160 because you have your atheists out there that say, nah, 123 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.399 definitely not right. Then you have you know, your religious 124 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.560 people that out there like, well you do, but if 125 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:27.879 you do this right, and if you don't, then you 126 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:32.720 get that And maybe that's true, but you know, this 127 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.160 is as you said, it's gonna be taken away from 128 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:38.560 the dogma and just showing that you know, we do, 129 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.839 you know, continue on. So now I find that to 130 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.079 be awesome personally, No, just just to know that we 131 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.800 do go on after this body, you know, expires, it's 132 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:49.439 pretty awesome. 133 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:51.360 I agree. I agree. 134 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.680 So the first article we're going to be getting into 135 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:57.680 today is Psychology Today, and this is one of two 136 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.519 Psychology Today articles that we're gonna we're gonna be into. 137 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:05.279 I actually have a story this gentleman that came on 138 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:08.600 to the Meta Mysteries like dude, like a year ago, 139 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.360 maybe longer. His name is David Ditchfield, and he talks 140 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.040 about his near death experience and it is profound, and 141 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.040 so I'm looking up information to try and present for 142 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.240 the show today, and lo and fucking behold, Psychology Today 143 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:24.399 wrote an article on him. I was like, oh my god, 144 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:26.040 I had this guy on my show. I didn't know 145 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:27.439 that he was famous. How about that? 146 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:28.160 That's little shit? 147 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.080 Okay, yeah, yeah. So for the people that are unaware 148 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:36.840 of what a near that near death experience is, this 149 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.879 is where we're going. A near death experience is the conscious, 150 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:43.759 semi conscious, or recollected experience of someone who is approaching 151 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.639 or has temporarily begun the process of dying, for example, 152 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.360 during a cardiac arrest that is followed by a resuscitation. 153 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.799 People who who recall near death experiences have described perceiving 154 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.600 a variety of surreal phenomena, such as seeing them from 155 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.480 above or passing through a tunnel of light. Reports of 156 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:08.240 these experiences sometimes include religious or spiritual interpretations, and a 157 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.840 fuel debates about whether a person's conscious can persist after death. 158 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:17.720 Some scientists dispute that NDEs reflect post mortem consciousness and 159 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:21.559 have sought to explain them in terms of changes in 160 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.679 brain function during the process of dying, as they would, right, right, 161 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.639 and that's not it's not to take away from sciencests 162 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.039 like their job is to try and understand how the 163 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:38.399 brain is working physically. Right, So that being said, what 164 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.679 are near death experiences? So, thanks to advanced medical care, 165 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.080 it has become increasingly common for people on the verge 166 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:47.960 of dying to be revived and returned to normal consciousness 167 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:50.720 even after their body has begun to shut down. A 168 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.799 subset of these people recall episodes from the period of 169 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:58.080 time before they awoke that are often extraordinary and personally meaningful. 170 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:02.080 The descriptions may include some details that are particular to 171 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:05.799 the individual, such as seeing a family member, and others 172 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.120 that appear in some version in many people's near death 173 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:14.720 experience reports. So what does this say? So how is 174 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.240 a near death experience defined? It says a near death 175 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:21.000 experience is simply an experience that a person reports having 176 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.039 had while in a physical state in which the risk 177 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.159 of death was imminent. Commonly, the person's heart temporarily ceased 178 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.559 to function at some point prior to recovery, as after 179 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.519 a heart attack. Reports of NDEs can include images, sensations, 180 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:38.679 and other conscious elements that are often vivid and striking. 181 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.720 So what are the common elements of a near death experience? 182 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.679 The nature of a near death experience varies from case 183 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:49.039 to case, but some features have appeared in multiple reports. 184 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:53.840 Feelings of peacefulness or serenity are typical in NDE accounts. 185 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:57.279 They may also include vivid imagery such as a bright light, 186 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:01.399 movement through a tunnel, or vision of events from one's past, 187 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:05.600 also called a life review. Some NDEs include out of 188 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:10.000 body experiences in which one feels removed from one's physical body, 189 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:13.679 and some reports describe encounters with other beings such as 190 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.120 loved ones or anonymous entities perceived as angels. For some, 191 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:21.200 the different elements of a near death experience may unfold 192 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:25.519 in a in sequence, For example, passage into darkness, followed 193 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:27.759 by a sense of leaving one's body and seeing it 194 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:32.440 from outside, and then then an apparent encounter with a 195 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:38.039 mysterious being, ultimately ending with a return to regular consciousness. Okay, 196 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.120 so there's a beginning, there's a middle, there's an end. 197 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:45.080 That's basically what they're trying to say, right, So, what 198 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.279 are some examples of near death experiences? This is just 199 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.360 a short one, so says. In one reported near death experience, 200 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.080 a man whose heart had stopped beating and who's shown 201 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:59.240 no signs of brain activity was subsequently revived. Later, he 202 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:02.559 recalled having a countered a compassionate being during the episode 203 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:05.080 who gave him a feeling of warmth. In another case, 204 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.639 a woman described a memory of floating above her body, 205 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:10.480 looking down at the doctors who were treating her and 206 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:13.840 listening to what they had said. So most people would 207 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:15.799 see that and be like, all right, I mean, can 208 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.679 you clarify that? Can you prove that you did it? 209 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.360 The answer is yes, Okay, this is why I say 210 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:26.120 the operating table ones are studied, I mean fucking six 211 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:30.840 ways to Sunday, bro. And some people are left baffled, 212 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:32.799 like I don't know what to do with this information, 213 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.799 you know, like, how is it possible that this person 214 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.279 died on the operating table and they were able to 215 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:42.840 see exactly what procedure and what tools I was using. 216 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:44.720 If I had a stain on my shirt, how would 217 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:47.639 they able to see that they were dead. There's no 218 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:50.480 way they could have saw that. And even from the 219 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:54.000 angle where they laid, they couldn't have known that because 220 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.399 their heads all the way back there's they didn't lift 221 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:59.559 their head up to look, you know. And so that's 222 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.279 the talking point is that they believe that like these 223 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.440 people are literally somehow their consciousness whatever you want to 224 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.840 call it, is floating above where their body is laying 225 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:14.559 there and is able to perceive reality as if it's 226 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:15.279 still going. 227 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:16.799 Okay. 228 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:21.960 So it's pretty wild. So how common are and dees? 229 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:26.039 This is interesting, it says. Estimates vary, with some suggesting 230 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.679 that as many as ten to twenty percent of people 231 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.240 who have been declared dead have had a near death experience. 232 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:35.559 So ten to twenty percent of all people who have 233 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.919 been declared dead have had an NDE. It says in 234 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.559 one study of patients who had survived cardiac arrest, nine 235 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:47.279 percent of survivors who nine percent of survivors. 236 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:51.840 Who could be interviewed reported a nd Okay, So heart 237 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:54.840 attack victims, it's. 238 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:56.639 Not always heart attack. A lot of the time, it's 239 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.679 it happens in the brain too. So I hear this 240 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:01.279 injury or something. 241 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.600 A heart attack would be considered in my opinion, inde, 242 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:07.639 especially if it's a heart attack that goes to the 243 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.240 point of them coding right. Sure, yeah, And if you're 244 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:12.559 saying that nine percent, we can round that up to 245 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:14.919 ten percent. I don't feel weird about saying that one 246 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:18.559 out of every ten heart attack patients that survive the 247 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.639 experience say that they saw something on the other side. 248 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:27.360 So ten percent is pretty wild. So one out of 249 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:30.200 every ten it's pretty hat your heart attacks alone. 250 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.600 Yeah, that's pretty damn high, I would think, right, yeah. 251 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.440 And also I wonder if you know people have them 252 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.320 but then they forget, you know, kind of like a 253 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.879 dream like they say that everybody dreams every night. I 254 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:43.600 don't know if that's actually a fact or if that's 255 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:44.240 a myth or. 256 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.440 What but like most people do. 257 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.320 Yeah, but like you know, how how often are you 258 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.080 able to recount your dreams? 259 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:51.679 Yeah? 260 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.799 You know, because most of the time they're extremely different 261 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.120 than what your reality is, right, and there's no place 262 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.159 to compartmentalize that, So your brain's just I don't need that. 263 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.159 There's nothing for me, there's nothing for me to gain 264 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.440 from that. I think that that could be, you know, 265 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.080 maybe those odds actually go up to fifteen or twenty percent, 266 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:13.240 if that is you know, a case. 267 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:19.200 Possibly, But okay, So of the people that have had indes, 268 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:22.120 I will say that most people act like there's no 269 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:25.000 way you can forget this. They can describe in very, 270 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:30.519 very vivid detail, every aspect of their INDE. Right, And 271 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:34.200 that being said, I wonder if there's something to do 272 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:37.480 with how long they're out, Right, somebody who coded for 273 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:41.120 five seconds as opposed to somebody who coded for five minutes, 274 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.519 I feel like one would be I don't know, I 275 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:47.440 don't know what the statistics are on this, to say 276 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:50.399 that like one out of every ten heart attack patients 277 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:53.440 or victims, whoever you want to call that has an NDE. Well, 278 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:56.360 is that that one out of every ten codes for 279 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.000 eight minutes? And like there's eight minutes of no oxygen 280 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.200 genated blood going to the brain, and like this was 281 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.559 their response, and they did wake up. Like I wonder 282 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:06.639 what kind of nuances we're looking at here. 283 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:09.639 Yeah, I'm not sure if it matters how long you're out, 284 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:11.919 just as long as you are out. It's almost like, 285 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:16.600 I mean, and I'm gonna bring it up, but like, 286 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:19.600 uh fuck, what was it called d MT? 287 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:20.279 You know? 288 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:22.879 DMT only lasts like a minute, two minutes, three minutes, 289 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.360 depends on the person, right, But it feels like a 290 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.840 fucking eternity, bro, like any literal eternity. 291 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:34.080 So I mean, shit, I was there for both of 292 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.399 your big trips. One of them lasted four. 293 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.720 Like three minutes, was the second one. I think I 294 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.840 allot to say one was like four minutes, the other, 295 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:45.720 like they were both sub five minutes, like real shit, 296 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:49.559 right right, And and but in that short amount of time, 297 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.039 I was able to bring back so many things that happened, 298 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:54.120 you know what I'm saying. 299 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:56.639 To that point, the first go round, when it was 300 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.639 what would be considered a normal nose, you felt like 301 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:01.279 you were only gone for a few minutes, and you 302 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:03.799 were only going for a few minutes. The second time, 303 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:05.839 You're only going for a few minutes, but you had 304 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:09.079 a much different experience and it felt a lot longer. 305 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:12.319 Right right, Well, I mean, hey, you know, whenever, whenever 306 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.000 you're not having a good time, things tend to stretch 307 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:15.799 out a little bit, you. 308 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:19.960 Know, exactly. Time is relative, right, So I'm wondering if 309 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.400 it's the same in the NDE world as well. I 310 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.000 don't know, but that would stand a reason. 311 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:27.680 I'll give you an example. So I the the most, 312 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.640 the most amount of dreams that I'm able to recall 313 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:34.880 is not necessarily from a night's sleep. It's usually from 314 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:37.920 a nap. And normally I'll nap for fifteen, twenty minutes, 315 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:40.119 thirty minutes, just a little kiddy cat nap, just to 316 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:41.920 get me through the day, you know what I mean, 317 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:43.920 especially if you got a headache or something. You just 318 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:45.880 want to rest your eyes for a little bit. And 319 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.519 there's been times where I've laid down for ten minutes 320 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:50.640 and I woke up and I thought that I I 321 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:52.880 thought that I slept for eight hours because of the 322 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.000 amount of dreams that I had, And it just doesn't 323 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:58.880 make sense, you know. So I think that in this 324 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:04.079 realm of the mind. Time is a non factor, or 325 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:05.519 at least it's just vastly different. 326 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:08.720 Yeah, yeah, time works differently here kind of. 327 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:13.519 Thing, right, right, So this is continuing on the Psychology 328 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:17.039 Today article The meaning of NDEs. It says, given the 329 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.200 remarkable stories of those who have near death experiences and 330 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.319 a general curiosity about the nature of death and what 331 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:27.039 does or doesn't follow it, NDEs have invited a variety 332 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:31.079 of interpretations. Some find spiritual validation in the mysterious accounts 333 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.359 of what may seem like a brush with the afterlife. 334 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:39.559 Skeptics of that viewpoint instead to They point instead to 335 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:43.799 potential brain based reasons for such vivid experiences. And of course, 336 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:47.799 individuals who have survived in near death's state grapple with 337 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:50.960 the meaning of their own experiences, and some report positive 338 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.480 changes in their outlook on life and death. No matter 339 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:58.000 the ultimate explanation for NDEs, experts encourage those close to 340 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:00.960 these individuals to allow them to talk about these potentially 341 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:06.880 impactful experiences and to respond non judgmentally. So, how how 342 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:10.279 do people how do people who have near death experiences 343 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:14.160 interpret them? So, people who who have near death experiences 344 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:17.319 may find religious significance in what they remember they might. 345 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.119 They might conclude, for example, that an out of body 346 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:23.319 experience in the sense of movement toward light represented their 347 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.720 soul departing for heaven, or that they interacted with an 348 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.359 angel or God. These details of these interpretations seem to 349 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:34.200 vary based on a person's religious background. For more broadly, 350 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:37.559 people who have a NDE may feel that they have 351 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.880 encountered something divine, a glimpse of the afterlife, or some 352 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:43.119 other truth beyond the realm of normal. 353 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.000 Okay, so that checks out to me too, I get this. 354 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:50.119 Yeah, I mean, it's your experience. It's up to the interpreter, 355 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:50.599 you know. 356 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:53.319 I've heard people wake up from Indie saying that they 357 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.799 peered into hell, like true hell, and they get they 358 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:58.559 wake up and they decide they are going to become 359 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:01.559 a church goer and they're changed their life. Oh yeah, 360 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:04.480 I've heard personally somebody that I know who saw the 361 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:06.920 other side and there was nothing but black like it. 362 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.880 It's nothing on the other side for him, So he's 363 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:12.960 changed literally nothing about his life. I mean, it runs 364 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:14.000 the gambit for sure. 365 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.640 Oh yeah, yeah, everybody's so different, dude. I heard one 366 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.079 like one of the craziest near death experiences that I 367 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:21.160 heard was from like this little girl. It was like, 368 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:22.960 I don't know, twenty years ago or something like that, 369 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:25.880 and she's talking about how she went to Hell and 370 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:31.759 she saw that Michael Jackson was there. Ah shit, I 371 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:32.480 mean so it's. 372 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:34.599 Also feel like most Disney adults go there too. 373 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:38.680 But anyway, Yeah, my point is is that that's how 374 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:41.960 wide ranging the possibilities are with the near death experience. 375 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:46.640 Ye and probably similarly to like a DMT trip, very 376 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:49.960 wide ranging, you know, say, yeah, with a dream whatever. Right, 377 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:55.640 So our near death experience is proof of life after death? Okay, 378 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:59.200 So while many people interpret vivid near death experiences as 379 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.599 evidence that he since consciousness or soul continues to exist 380 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:07.039 after death, from a scientific perspective, i NDEs do not 381 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:10.400 prove that life continues after death. While NDEs are not 382 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:15.519 fully understood, various potential explanations do not involve a disembodied 383 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:22.960 consciousness have been explored. That being said, I mean, science 384 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:27.799 can't prove one way or another a soul, a consciousness 385 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:30.880 or whatever. Right, Like, they have a hard time with that. 386 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:34.759 They've done the experiment with the weight, right, and after 387 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.720 a person dies they get a few ounces lighter, and 388 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:41.440 like that is a measurable thing. And they have said 389 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:46.279 they've speculated that that is the soul leaving the body, right, 390 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:48.119 So like they they think that the soul is at 391 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.160 least quantifiable in that way. But I mean, who's to 392 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:55.720 say that your ethereal self actually has a mass associated 393 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.839 with it? Right there? They're they're grasping its straws, trying 394 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.960 to find some way to quantify the unquantifiable. 395 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:08.039 Right right, How do you measure what is immeasurable? Exactly exactly? So? 396 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:11.960 So how do scientists explain near death experiences? So? And 397 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.119 this is not an across the board understanding, it's just 398 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.559 this says. Multiple hypotheses have been proposed, with some bearing 399 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:23.759 on particular elements of near death experiences. For example, out 400 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:27.799 of body experiences in NDEs may be accounted for by 401 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:31.319 the disruption of the temporal parietal region key to the 402 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:34.880 sense of embodiment as the brain approaches death, and some 403 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:39.599 have suggested that the tunnel imagery of many NDEs is 404 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:42.319 due to the effect of slowed down blood flow on 405 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:46.160 the retinas. However, the neurological basis of NDEs is not 406 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:50.000 yet fully understood, and some researchers are open to alternative 407 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:53.680 accounts that go beyond brain activity. That's what I'm interested 408 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:57.160 in it because to say that you know your soul 409 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:02.480 or your consciousness solely resides in your brain, that doesn't 410 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:06.759 sound right. I what do you think? 411 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.319 So? I also believe that soul and consciousness are two 412 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:14.680 different things. Okay this before right? So sentience consciousness and 413 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:18.160 your spirit or your ether or your whatever, your soul. 414 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.519 I think these are three completely different things, right. I 415 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:25.359 think that your sentience and consciousness both reside in your brain. 416 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.680 I just Jacob speaking on behalf of Jacob. I believe 417 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.359 that your soul resides in the entirety of you. 418 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:36.000 Okay, So like whenever you. 419 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:38.599 Say, like trust your gut, you got that gut feeling, 420 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:44.079 or a heartbreak, it actually physically hurts in your chest 421 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.400 even though your heart is fine, right, Like you're you're 422 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:52.039 physically okay, but you feel actual pain in your rib cage, 423 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:55.519 in your chest right, or when you have such agony 424 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:58.880 that your brain goes into a fog. I am of 425 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:02.759 the belief that you're so resides in the entirety of you, 426 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.680 in your body and in your mind. I think that 427 00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:08.720 your soul has to connect it all otherwise it doesn't work. 428 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:12.960 That's just me, okay, yeah, I mean that's that's a 429 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.480 thought for sure. I personally, you know what, I'm gonna 430 00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:19.519 save my opinion for later because I want to, you know, 431 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.680 read all this and better understand it my own self. 432 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:27.039 So the next question is is do hallucinogenic chemicals like 433 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:32.880 DMT explain near death experiences. So one hypothesized explanation for 434 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:36.480 near death experiences is that the body releases the hallucination 435 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.720 inducing chemicals such as dimethyl trip tomine or DMT when 436 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.359 it is near death, but this has yet to be established. 437 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:47.559 There are similarities between experiences caused by hallucinogens and near 438 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:52.039 death experiences. However, there is evidence that ketamine has effects 439 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:54.920 that are more similar to NDEs than the effects of 440 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.039 d MT. I wouldn't expect. 441 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:02.799 That, ah, I don't know, dude. I know people that 442 00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:08.319 have experienced ketamine k holes, and right right right, I'm 443 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:13.759 just I've never experienced ketamine or pure DMT. I should 444 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:18.519 say that this is strictly speaking from ignorance, but from 445 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.279 the outside looking in you getting lost in a K 446 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.599 hole versus you having a very deep DMT trip for 447 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.440 five minutes. I feel like we're having two different conversations. 448 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.680 At the end of that. I know people that have 449 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.160 got lost in k holes at raves and shit, and 450 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:38.119 I know people that have tripped balls on DMT at raves. 451 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:42.400 They have very very different reports at the end of it. 452 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.119 So to say that these are comparable, I feel like 453 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.279 that's trying to compare getting high to getting drunk, Like 454 00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.160 it's not the same conversation we're having. And I'm not 455 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:57.119 saying one is necessarily better or necessarily worse. I'm saying 456 00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:58.160 it's very different. 457 00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.319 There is a lot of positivity out of people that 458 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.880 are getting ketamine treatment. I think they're using it more 459 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:10.920 now for like depression and what is it called, dudes 460 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:11.799 do PTSD. 461 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:16.519 Yeah, yeah, But I've also seen dudes do AAHUASCAR retreats 462 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.119 and DMT treatments for their PTSD as well. And that's 463 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:21.839 the thing. PTSD is not like a one size fits 464 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:24.559 all thing. What was so traumatic to one guy to 465 00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:27.720 give him post traumatic stress versus what was so traumatic 466 00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:30.400 to this other guy. It could be very different things. 467 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.359 It could be the exact same experience, but they their 468 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.640 bodies and their brains reverted in very different ways. So 469 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:38.519 it's That's what I mean. Like, as far as medical 470 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:43.119 practice goes, sometimes DMT is the cure. Sometimes ketamine sometimes 471 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.400 just like talking about it and there's no one size 472 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:49.039 fits all. Yeah, but again it's comparing ketamine to DMT. 473 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:51.519 That is quite a claim. 474 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:52.839 I've done both. 475 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:54.960 I only do you done ketmine? 476 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.960 Yeah, just one time, and it wasn't a lot, Like 477 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:02.559 I'm just out of curiosity more than anything, because I 478 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.640 knew that it had like psychedelica. I'm I'm always down 479 00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:10.599 to try something psychedelic, not acid, not doing acid, but mushrooms, 480 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.680 d MT four aco five me e o, shit like that. 481 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:17.519 I'm down for that being said. I did. I did 482 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.640 try ketamine, And to be honest, bro, I just looked 483 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:24.039 over to Homie and I was like, he was like, 484 00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:25.799 what do you think. I'm not gonna call him out. 485 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:27.799 He was like, what do you think? And I was like, Bro, honestly, 486 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.720 I just feel fucking retarded. Like I feel like I 487 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.039 feel like I got dumber. That's what I like. My 488 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.200 brain wasn't working. I didn't necessarily feel an extreme intense 489 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.599 sense of calm, nothing like that. But I don't maybe 490 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:41.839 I didn't do enough. I don't know. 491 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:44.759 I don't know. I've I've heard that though, right, And 492 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.680 that's the thing. You get somebody who's got like, uh, 493 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.519 not eighty HD, but like somebody who literally their brain 494 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:55.359 is on six different levels at any given point, right, 495 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:57.720 and their their their brain never stops running. They got 496 00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:59.119 this going on, da da da da da da da 497 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.640 da da da, and it's all NonStop. Ketamine can be 498 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.480 used to kind of like tone that down of it 499 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.279 and get them singled not tunnel vision. They can focus 500 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.599 not like it's not like it's aderall, but it like 501 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.240 it shuts off the excess and then they kind of 502 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:14.799 dumbs them down for lack of better words right now. 503 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:19.599 I've also heard people that were already not gonna call names, 504 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.640 but they were already not firing on all cylinders if 505 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.960 you catch my drift, uh, and then they tried ketamine 506 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.680 and they just got like retarded off of it. Then 507 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:30.880 on the other side, you get the person that's brain 508 00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.640 never stops firing and they're going crazy. They tried DMT. 509 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.079 It's even more so you get the person that's kind 510 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.200 of not firing on all the cylinders on DMT, all 511 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.480 of a sudden, they're like firing on all cylinders. It's 512 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.160 like the limitless drug for them, and like, what the 513 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:46.799 fuck this is? This is how people think normally, and 514 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.279 it's like, I mean not really, but like okay. 515 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.839 Well and this is you know. I did multiple episodes 516 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:58.359 on researching DMT and DMTX over in London with the 517 00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.720 continuous drip for an hour. I really wanted to try 518 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.720 and understand that a little bit better supply quote unquote 519 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.200 mapping the DMT realm and I did that on Meta 520 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.519 a few months back and it was fascinating. There are 521 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.680 like a lot of crazy like realizations that they were 522 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:18.119 able to come to. But I don't know. I'm yeah, 523 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:20.000 I'm gonna have to disagree with this kind of me now. 524 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.880 I am saying that out of a point of ignorance. 525 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:23.799 I've only ever tried it once and it probably wasn't 526 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.240 even enough, so don't take my word for that. Fair 527 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.039 Fair that being said, it says, how are people affected 528 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.920 by near death experiences? This is the most profound thing 529 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.839 because it's one thing to say that, you know, a 530 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:39.640 dream made you change your life. Not many people are 531 00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:43.920 saying that, you know, but a near death experience, people's 532 00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:48.279 lives are turned upside down. Usually for the better. So 533 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.079 near death experiences can leave a lasting impression on the 534 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:54.720 person who has survived. Among the transformative effects described by 535 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.599 those who had NDEs are an increased sense of purpose 536 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.880 and appreciation and a reduced fee of death. If that's 537 00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:05.799 all that happens, that's what a blessing, bro right, you 538 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.559 know what I mean. So it says a person may 539 00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.759 report becoming more open and loving in the aftermath of 540 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.880 an NDE, and in some cases, the person may perceive 541 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.559 that they have gained intuitive abilities, such as seeming to 542 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:25.960 know what someone is thinking or feeling. So telekinesis, well, telepathy, 543 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.400 not telekenes excuse me, telecanes moving shit, my bad. So 544 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.680 somebody comes out of a near death experience and they 545 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:37.319 get like telepathy. I mean, that's what some people say. 546 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.960 I have never heard one of these claims. Okay, let's 547 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:41.319 go there. 548 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.359 Hey, that's psychology today right there. That's a mainstream science 549 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:45.640 article right there, you know. 550 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:46.599 Wow. 551 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.920 So and so that's just the first article. I really 552 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.480 just wanted to pull that one up so that so that, 553 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:55.920 you know, kind of lay the foundation, lay the groundwork 554 00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:58.680 a little bit. Another article I wanted to get into 555 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:03.400 as far as laying the scientific groundwork is from science 556 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.960 inculture dot com. Never visited this website, don't know how 557 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.640 awesome it is or not, but this article seemed very interesting. 558 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:14.000 So this was an article written on June eleventh of 559 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.640 this year, so pretty interesting. So it's always evolving, that's 560 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.680 what I like about it, it says. A recent article 561 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.640 on BBC Science Focus provides a revealing glimpse into the 562 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.880 way that the study of near death experiences has been changing. 563 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:32.680 When neuroscientists Mario Beauregard and I wrote The Spiritual Brain, 564 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.759 which I guess was a book or an article or 565 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.359 something like that in two thousand and seven, treating NDEs 566 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.720 as scientifically researchable generally meant debunking them. For example, in 567 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.319 nineteen ninety nine, British psychologist Susan Blackmore discounted the idea 568 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.039 that they were life changing. In her quotes, the limited 569 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.039 evidence available suggests that this change is a function of 570 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:55.079 simply facing up to death, not having not of having 571 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.559 a near death experience. But when endears behave altruistically, this 572 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:03.880 helps read their nd memes, so that ninety nine memes, 573 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:04.839 that's what she said. 574 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:06.200 Yeah, wow. 575 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.279 Canadian science journalist Jay Ingram noted in two thousand and 576 00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:15.160 five that the idea that NDEs might be genuine experiences 577 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:22.480 is end quotes repellent to many Jesus dude brutal uh 578 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.799 Yale University psychologist Paul Bloom, author of a number of books, 579 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.319 probably spoke for the majority when he said in two 580 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.000 thousand and six in his quote, if what you mean 581 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:36.279 by soul is something immaterial and immortal, something that exists 582 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.759 independently of the brain, then souls do not exist. This 583 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:44.519 is old hat for most psychologists and philosophers, the stuff 584 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.279 of introductory lecturers. So talking all kinds of shit on 585 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.640 the soul and consciousness, whatever you want to call it, right, 586 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.880 this is what. 587 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.519 This is an old hat for entry level psychologists. 588 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.039 Yeah, basically just saying it's like low hanging fruit and 589 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:02.279 it's easily debuncable. 590 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.680 I will have to respectfully disagree on that point and 591 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:12.160 again take away religious dogma here. But most psychologists that 592 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.119 I know, and I know a good number of them, 593 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.759 are religious individuals themselves. So to say that, oh, any 594 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:23.279 real psychologist knows that the soul is a mental construct, like, 595 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.480 I'm sorry, the data proves that that is inaccurate. 596 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:30.920 My boy, Any Harvard professor with his salts knows this. 597 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.920 Good God to tell me you're a pompous asshole without 598 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.319 telling me you're a pampas asshole. Well, that's academia, right, 599 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.039 And we've talked to shit on academia for how many 600 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.440 years now, And because it's you know, go with the 601 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.480 status quo, and if you decide to go against the 602 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.279 status quote, you're no longer in that group. 603 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.079 And so a lot of them don't ever step outside 604 00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.559 the line. So this guy right here, well, these people 605 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.359 right here that were saying that the British psychologists and 606 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:01.240 the Yale University psychologists, both of them were probably just 607 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:05.160 in lockstep with whatever the understood literature of the time was. 608 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:06.319 Fair. 609 00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:10.559 Yeah, however it says that it didn't age. Well, it 610 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.599 says our book was one of It was one of 611 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.239 a growing number of exceptions, not in the sense that 612 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:16.960 we were boosters, but in the sense that we were 613 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.800 writing for those who are prepared to consider the possibility 614 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.039 that there might be an authentic evidence, there might be 615 00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:26.679 authentic evidence of the survival of the human mind at death. 616 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.679 Since then, a steady stream of corroborative research means that 617 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.159 the facile explain aways that worked so well thirty years 618 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.960 ago are no longer suffice. Thus we come to cognitive 619 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:45.880 neuroscience neuroscientists Christian Jared's recent article, which offers a more 620 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.199 neutral approach than in the past. This is his quote. 621 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.320 They leave their bodies, witness a bright light, and return 622 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:56.039 forever changed. But do survivors of near death experiencers or 623 00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.400 of near death experiences truly glimpse into the great beyond? 624 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:03.280 New research into the brain's final moments could decode these 625 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:08.320 visions at life's edge. So you know, that's at least 626 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.679 a step in the positive direction towards saying that these 627 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.039 people aren't crazy. 628 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:12.519 You know, right. 629 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.679 It says the hope of fully naturalizing ends remains. That's 630 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.320 a given. But in this and many articles like it, 631 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:23.039 the dismissive just you wait tone that we that we 632 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:27.320 used to see so much of is gone. Another quote here, 633 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.480 It says there are plenty of documented NDEs, and many 634 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.000 continue to baffle scientists and raise perplexing questions about the 635 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.599 nature of consciousness and life itself. Should we believe them all? 636 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.000 My reaction, my reaction has always been skepticism tinged with wonder. 637 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.480 It's hard to listen to accounts of people who've had 638 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.599 these experiences and not be moved. Bro, I'm telling you, 639 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.119 it's one thing to read it, and I don't have 640 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.679 any you know, videos of people recounting it, you know, 641 00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.360 in their own words and their voice and everything. I 642 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:03.679 really hope after today's episode people go into a rabbit 643 00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:07.679 hole on YouTube, on TikTok whatever and just listen to 644 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.079 people talk about their experience, and I promise you it 645 00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.239 will shake the foundation of whatever you are. Like it is. 646 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:19.519 It's profound. And you know that they're not bullshitting because 647 00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:21.360 you can see the tears in the eyes, you can 648 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.679 see the body just tensing up whenever they're going through detail. 649 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.360 And I mean just the tone and their voice about 650 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:29.719 you know, in compare it to you know, what was 651 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:31.840 their tone and their voice before they had the NDE. 652 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.199 And it's crazy, dude. It's a night and day change. Yeah. 653 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:41.559 And so it says should we believe them all? Of course, 654 00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.400 we needn't believe anything that we find unbelievable. A better 655 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.440 question might be, at what point could an agenda get 656 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.400 in the way of our understanding? If our grounds for 657 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.000 disbelief amount to nothing more than science. Means that the 658 00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:57.679 mind is merely what the brain does. Then we should 659 00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.599 check out the history of efforts to defend current science 660 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.239 in the face of challenging new information, beginning with Thomas 661 00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.920 Kuhne's Structure of Scientific Revolutions, which was written in nineteen 662 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.719 sixty two. Jarrett that Christian Jarrett that we were talking 663 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:11.960 about earlier. I think he was a psychologist. What was 664 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:19.239 he cognitive neuroscience or neurosciences. He offers the suggestion that 665 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.280 the ND is simply the behavior of a dying brain, 666 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.920 he goes. In fact, some neuroscientists argue that many of 667 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:30.800 these powerful subjective experiences can be attributed to intense neurobiological 668 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.199 changes occurring as the brain approaches death, and they have 669 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.920 the research to support this claim. In twenty twenty four, 670 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:41.719 researchers at the University of Michigan published groundbreaking findings from 671 00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:45.239 their analysis of brain recordings from four dying patients. The 672 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.800 patients were on life support and their brain activity was 673 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:53.199 recorded by electro Ncephalogram EEG, which tracks electrical activity in 674 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:56.360 the brain via electrodes placed on the scalp. Led by 675 00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:01.440 doctor Gimo Borjin, the team made the remarkable observation that 676 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:05.320 two of the patients exhibited a surge of brain activity 677 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.320 shortly after their relatives had agreed to the removal of 678 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:13.519 life support. So a surge in brain activity once they 679 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:14.559 took them off life support. 680 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.760 Okay. 681 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.480 Previously, this kind of end of life surge in brain 682 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.360 activity had only been witnessed in studies with rats, but 683 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.400 here was the first evidence that it might occur in 684 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.599 humans too. This was a quote from the Reassuring Science. 685 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.880 So it says, so does that final surge of brain 686 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.800 activation explain everything we need to know about NDEs? It says, 687 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:42.920 hold the AHAs for a moment. As Jarrett reports, the surge, 688 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.840 the researchers noted was consistent with patterns and regions associated 689 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.760 with consciousness. For example, the prefrontal cortex, which is thought 690 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.360 to be involved in consciousness, showed heightened connectivity. But the 691 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.480 Big Consciousness study comparison that wrapped up recently did not 692 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.199 find that the prefrontal cortex plays as much of a 693 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.480 role as is usually assumed. A bigger problem is that, 694 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.079 as doctor Charlotte Marshall noted, none of these patients in 695 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:11.960 the study survived, so we don't know if they had NDEs. 696 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.519 Just what the surge signifies is still still to be determined. 697 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:21.519 Good point, Okay, And that's the that's the problem with 698 00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:26.199 these things is that you're You're never gonna be sitting 699 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.480 around waiting for somebody to have an NDE. You know 700 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.559 what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, nobody knows the time or 701 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:33.920 the hour, as they say right in the Bible or 702 00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.320 some shit like that. It's like, you don't know the 703 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.239 minute that you're going to die. Nobody. 704 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:41.519 I don't want to, good God, that would be terrifying. Bro. 705 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:43.360 I've had like psychics on the show and they're like, 706 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:44.760 you want to know when you're gonna die. I'm like, 707 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.559 fuck you, No, I don't want to know that. I'm good. 708 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.559 I don't want to know the year. I don't want 709 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.400 to know the decade. 710 00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:56.840 No. I I want no part in understanding any of that. 711 00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.880 Thank you. I would like to live every single day 712 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.559 it is my last on earth, give it one hundred 713 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.840 percent of everything I got. And at the end of 714 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:06.480 the day, if I lay down at night and I 715 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.760 can think, you know what, I truly know I gave 716 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.960 one hundred and ten percent of myself to today, then 717 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.239 fucking Gucci right that that's where I'm at I am 718 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:17.280 good God, I'm not trying to find any of that 719 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:17.840 shit out. 720 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.920 Hell no, I don't need that in my life. Got 721 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:22.159 enough stresses as it is. 722 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.960 Bro Now today, Satan, not to today. 723 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:29.599 Back the fuck up, Satan. All right, nobody asked you, so, 724 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.760 it says, then, of course there's a question of this 725 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.119 is interesting what they call vertical near death experiences. But 726 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:42.039 it's ve or verit vertical v e r I verritical 727 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.599 vertical Is that what you'd say that, huh vertical? It's 728 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.519 v e r I d I c A L My 729 00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.440 first time ever seeing that word. Anyway, the question of 730 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:55.719 verritical near death experiences, which is, experiencers may see things 731 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.000 that they should not be able to, things that can 732 00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.920 be corroborated later. For example, sample Michael Egnoor and I 733 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.239 note in our just published book The Immortal Mind, how 734 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.679 psychiatrist Bruce Grayson first became interested in the study of ndees. 735 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:14.559 This is fucking fascinating. Okay, this Whenever I hear shit 736 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:18.280 like this, it's like, Okay, it's there's no way, It's 737 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:22.559 just what the brain does. There's no way. Bruce Grayson, 738 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.840 author of the book called After, was an agnostic psychiatrist 739 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.519 decades ago skeptical that the mind could be detached from 740 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.880 the brain, but then a young woman rescued from suicide 741 00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.159 told him that she had seen a spaghetti stain on 742 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.199 his tie during an out of body experience. There was 743 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.840 indeed such a stain, and he had gone to some 744 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.320 trouble to conceal it from colleagues. Brains are just don't 745 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:47.039 account for people knowing information that they should not have 746 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:50.960 access to under normal or under natural circumstances. It's early 747 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:54.360 days yet in the study of near death experiences, but 748 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.760 we are seeing growth and genuine curiosity, which is a 749 00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:00.599 welcome change and likely to be a fruitful one. So 750 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:05.119 that that example, this girl was trying to kill herself, right, Yeah, 751 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.239 she was laying there on the table, Bruce Grayson, I 752 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.519 guess was there to try and you know, bring her 753 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.239 back to life or to keep her from dying. She 754 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.519 ended up flat lining for a little bit. I don't 755 00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:17.000 know if we have that story pulled up, but I 756 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.159 read it she ended up flat lining for a little bit. 757 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.159 She had this whole out of body experience to where 758 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.719 she's not in her body anymore. She's like fucking floating 759 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:27.800 at the top of the ceiling, right by the by 760 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.440 by the lights and shit, and she's able to see him, 761 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:34.239 see the procedures that he's doing, and she's able to 762 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.320 notice that he had a stain on his shirt something 763 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:39.960 that he was trying to cover up this whole time, 764 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.360 right like on the lab coat or something, and she 765 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.840 shouldn't have had access to be able to see that. 766 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:47.679 That's interesting. 767 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:49.239 There's no way she could have known that. 768 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.199 And we've talked about that before, right, people that have 769 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.920 had in these but they like agreed to be a 770 00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:58.239 part of this study if they did come back kind 771 00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.599 of thing, there was like a shell with different cards 772 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.400 on it or something that they wouldn't have known the 773 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.039 order of the cards unless they had some sort of 774 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.400 an edy NDE and they were able to come back 775 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:10.159 and talk about it. 776 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:16.519 Yeah, yeah, it's I don't. I don't. It's unexplainable, seemingly. Yeah, 777 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.360 so I did want to. I do have a couple 778 00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:20.480 of stories that we're gonna read today. I'm gonna spread 779 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.079 them out, so I'm not reading back to back to 780 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.039 back stories. We're gonna be thilling them in. But this 781 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:31.239 seems to be the craziest nd ever documented. And oh, shit, yes, 782 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.559 all right, this is that the story that we were 783 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.920 just talking about with the spaghetti stain. That's this story. 784 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.599 Okay, let's go they I had. 785 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:42.800 This one pulled up. So this is Pam Reynolds. I 786 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:47.119 think she was like a fucking actor or something. Yeah, 787 00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:47.519 that's right. 788 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.079 She was an American singer songwriter from Atlanta, Georgia. Pam Reynolds. 789 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:51.599 I don't know what. 790 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:58.159 Let's see what she was in. So Pam Reynolds music. 791 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.480 Pam Reynolds did, she was a singer songwriter. Doesn't say what. 792 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.920 I mean to say that you're a singer songwriter, Like, 793 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.960 I know, that sounds impressive, big dog. I met a 794 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.960 guy at the airport one time. He was a bartender 795 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:21.159 at the airport and we were just, you know, started 796 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:25.320 bullshitting about music or whatever, and he wouldn't stop talking 797 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.199 about how impressed he was by Miley Cyrus. And this 798 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.559 is back when she was doing Wrecking Ball, right, it 799 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.039 was around that timeframe. He's like, well, listen, I mean, 800 00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:35.679 I'm a singer songwriter myself, so I would know and 801 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.639 this and this and this. I'm like, oh, you're a 802 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:43.599 bartender at the airport, so like word word Okay. 803 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.639 Somebody's saying that they're like a podcaster. It's like that's 804 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:48.679 a wide ranging thing that you could be doing right there. 805 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.280 You know, I'm saying the levels of success are kind 806 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.440 of broad here, my guy, right right. 807 00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:58.360 So anyhow, this is the woman Pam Reynolds. It says 808 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:02.360 Pam Reynolds. She uh. She died in twenty ten, but 809 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.440 she was an American singer songwriter from Atlanta, Georgia, whose 810 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.920 near death experience is one of the most frequently cited 811 00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:11.719 in the literature. The experience seemingly occurred during a complete 812 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.400 shutdown of her brain and body functions that had been 813 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:18.920 instigated purposely to allow delicate surgery on a brain aneurysm. 814 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:23.239 It included accurate views of the operating room and equipment, 815 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:27.440 hyper awareness, visions of light, and interactions with deceased relatives. 816 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.360 Her case is regarded by many as convincing evidence of survival, 817 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:35.960 since her vital signs were monitored continuously, providing a certainty 818 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.800 that she was clinically dead at the time. Okay, so 819 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:40.480 she got. 820 00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:42.840 Put into a medically induced coma so that they could 821 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.800 do surgery on her, and something either a went wrong 822 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.480 during surgery or maybe the anesthesiologist kind of pumped her 823 00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.800 full of drugs a little too much, and she was 824 00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.400 pronounced dead and then came back, Yes, sir. 825 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.400 So there's the investigation in publication, it says. In nineteen 826 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.599 ninety four, Michael Sabaam, a cardiologist in Atlanta, launched a 827 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:09.159 study on the relationship between NDEs and spiritual beliefs. He 828 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.400 interviewed one hundred and sixty people, mostly patients of his clinic, 829 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:16.400 finding that forty seven of them spoke of having such 830 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:21.400 an experience. According to criteria identified by NDE researcher Bruce Grayson, 831 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.800 Pam Reynolds was Her case was one of several summarized 832 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:29.639 by Sabam in his book called Light and Death. Reynolds 833 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:33.360 has described her case in a BBC documentary. Sabam first 834 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.880 interviewed Reynolds in November of nineteen ninety four. So this 835 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.920 is an older story, right, yeah. Hearing that she knew 836 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.239 details of the operating room that she could have only 837 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:47.239 seen while deeply unconscious, he contacted the medical staff and 838 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:51.280 took other steps to try to verify them. So let's 839 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.920 get to the actual experience here. In nineteen ninety one, 840 00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.519 she was thirty five Reynolds experienced symptoms of dizziness, loss 841 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.639 of speech, and difficulty moving her body. A CT scan 842 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.159 revealed a giant aneurysm at the base of her brain. 843 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:08.519 The neurologists to whom she was referred predicted little or 844 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.360 no chance of survival because of its size and location. 845 00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:16.679 Regular neurosurgical techniques to excize it would not work. She 846 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.800 was then referred to doctor Robert Speltzer in Phoenix, Arizona, 847 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:25.679 who had pioneered a surgical procedure, hypothermic cardiac arrest, that 848 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:29.440 would make the aneurism operable. This involved cooling the patient's 849 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:33.199 body to sixty degrees fahrenheit, stopping the heartbeat and breathing, 850 00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:37.719 and draining all blood from the brain. More than twenty doctors, nurses, 851 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:42.519 and technicians took part. The operation required reynolds vital signs 852 00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:45.599 and body temperature to be very closely monitored by multiple 853 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.280 instruments placed in various locations on and within her body. 854 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.360 Molded speakers were placed in her ears, producing clicks at 855 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.599 regular intervals so that other instruments could detect her brain's 856 00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.840 reactions to them. Reynolds was awake when she was brought 857 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.000 into the operating root At the operating room at seven 858 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.599 fifteen am, she felt a end quote's loss of time 859 00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:10.880 and blanked out as the general anesthesia took effect. Then 860 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.960 she became aware of a musical tone that seemed to pull, 861 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.840 a musical tone that seemed to pull her out of 862 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:20.719 the top of her head. She goes, this is her quote. 863 00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:22.880 I think, the further out of my body I got, 864 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.639 the more clear the tone became. I had the impression 865 00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.159 it was like a road, a frequency that you go on. 866 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.199 I remember seeing several things in the operating In the 867 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:33.679 operating room when I was looking down, it was the 868 00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:35.719 most aware that I think I have ever been in 869 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.599 my entire life. It was brighter and more focused and 870 00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.119 clearer than normal vision. There was so much in the 871 00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:46.119 operating room that I didn't recognize, and in so many people. 872 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.159 She recalled being surprised that the team had only partially 873 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.679 shaved her head. She also recalled seeing the bone sauce 874 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.679 that the bone saw that spelt he used to xcise 875 00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.480 a section of her skull. She goes, the saw thing 876 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.239 looked like an electric toothbrush, and it had a dent 877 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:04.480 in it. The groove of the top where the saw 878 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.039 appeared to go into the handle, but it didn't. And 879 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.239 the saw had interchangeable blades too, but these blades were 880 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:13.239 in what looked like a socket wrench case. I heard 881 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:18.440 the saw crank up, so it says that she found 882 00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.079 this sound unpleasant. Obviously, they're about to fucking cut her 883 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:25.519 skull open. Sure, and someone said something about my veins 884 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.440 and arteries being very small, Reynolds recalled, adding that it 885 00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:31.119 was a female voice. At this stage in the operation, 886 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.400 a female cardiac surgeon, having determined that the arteries in 887 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.199 Reynolds's right leg were too small to handle the degree 888 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:41.079 of blood flow required the heart lung machine required by 889 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.519 the heart lung machine, opened the left leg as well. 890 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:48.079 Speltzer assessed that the aneurism, assessed the aneurysm, and ordered 891 00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:52.760 hypothermic cardiac arrests to be performed, Commencing at ten fifteen am, 892 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.119 blood was removed via tubes from the femoral arteries and veins, 893 00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.440 chilled in reservoir cylinders, and returned to her body. As 894 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.880 Reynolds's core temperature fell, her heart beat changed to change 895 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:10.320 to fibrillation, then stopped entirely. Her brain waves flattened, then 896 00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:14.000 as her core temperature reached sixty, the brain stem shut down. 897 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:18.639 By standard definitions, she was clinically dead at at eleven 898 00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.679 twenty five, the heart lung machine was turned off, the 899 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:25.039 operating table was tilted, and blood was drained from her body. 900 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:29.519 The sack of the aneurysm, was now empty, was easily excised, 901 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:33.079 so the heart lung machine was then reactivated and warmed 902 00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:37.760 blood reinfused into reynolds circulatory system. The brain stem slowly 903 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:41.280 began showing activity again, then her higher brain also. As 904 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:44.480 the warming process continued. At noon, it became apparent that 905 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.760 her heart would not resume beating by warming alone, so 906 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.760 electrical jolts from a defibrillator were used to shock it 907 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.400 into starting. Having been clinically dead for about an hour, 908 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.800 Reynolds was returned to the recovery room in a stable 909 00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.840 condition at two ten pm for a fucking hour. 910 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:07.280 Bro. Yeah, I want to sound like that guy. 911 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:08.880 Here, be that guy. That's okay. 912 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:13.039 This was done on purpose because they couldn't get the 913 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.480 surgery to be completed while she was still alive. Yes, 914 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.400 it was purpose, yeah, right, right, So she wasn't just 915 00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:24.280 medically in a coma. She was medically her life was 916 00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.320 ended by definition for an hour. But even still, it's 917 00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.360 not like they pulled the plug, decided we can't save 918 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:32.920 this patient walked out of the room, and all of 919 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:35.559 a sudden she woke up like this was all for 920 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:36.679 a purpose, right? 921 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:37.760 Her body didn't know that. 922 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:42.440 Okay, okay, you know so. 923 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:46.000 I mean, so according to her, her body thought that 924 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:48.960 she was dead. Her heart wasn't beating, her lungs weren't pumping. 925 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.840 I mean, by all accounts, she was dead. And if 926 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.480 they hadn't finished the operation and they would have just 927 00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:57.559 left her, she would have been dead. Right, that's fair? Yeah, 928 00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.920 So where was I? So? As cited by Sabam, which 929 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.800 I think was the doctor. Reynolds's next recollections fall between 930 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.480 the mention of her arteries being too small and the 931 00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:12.679 time that Speltzer's younger assistants were closing her incisions. This 932 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:17.440 is her recount of it. There was a sensation like 933 00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.000 being pulled, but not against your will. I was going 934 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.159 on my own accord because I wanted to go. I 935 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.639 have different metaphors to try and explain this. It was 936 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:26.800 like the Wizard of Oz being taken up in a 937 00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:31.159 tornado vortex, only you're not spinning around like you got vertigo. 938 00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.400 You're very focused and you have a place to go. 939 00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.800 The feeling was like going up in an elevator really fast, 940 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:40.400 and there was a sensation, but it wasn't a bodily 941 00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:43.960 physical sensation. It was like a tunnel, but it wasn't 942 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:47.280 a tunnel. At some point, very early in the tunnel vortex, 943 00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:49.840 I became aware of my grandmother calling me, but I 944 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.639 didn't hear her call me with my ears. It was 945 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.480 a clearer hearing than with my ears. I trust that 946 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.119 sense more than I trust my own ears. The feeling 947 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.719 that was that she wanted me to come to her, 948 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.519 so I continued with no fear down the shaft. It's 949 00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.480 a dark shaft that I went through, and at the 950 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:10.000 very end there was this very little, tiny pinpoint of 951 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:12.280 light that kept on getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 952 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:16.400 The light was incredibly, incredibly bright, like sitting in the middle, 953 00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:19.519 like sitting in the middle of a light bulb. It 954 00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:21.679 was so bright that I put my hands in front 955 00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.039 of my face, fully expecting to see them, and I 956 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:26.559 could not, but I knew that they were there, not 957 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.199 from a sense of touch. Again, it's terribly hard to explain, 958 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.159 but I knew that they were there. I noticed that 959 00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.639 as I began to discern different figures in the light, 960 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.000 and they were all covered with light. They were light 961 00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:42.079 and had light permeating all around them that began to 962 00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:44.920 form shapes I could recognize and understand. I could see 963 00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:47.000 that one of them was my grandmother. I didn't know 964 00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:50.599 if it was reality or projection, but I would know 965 00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:54.559 my grandmother the sound of her anytime anywhere. Everyone I saw, 966 00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.320 looking back on it fit perfectly into my understanding of 967 00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.559 what that person looked like at their best during their lives. 968 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.360 I recognized a lot of people. My uncle Jean was there, 969 00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.280 so was my great great aunt Maggie, who was really 970 00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.039 a cousin on Papa's side of the family. My grandfather 971 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.920 was there. They were specifically taking care of me and 972 00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.360 looking after me. They would not permit me to go 973 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.679 any further. It was communicated to me, that's the best 974 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:19.719 way I know how to say it, because they didn't 975 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.320 speak like I'm speaking, that if I went all the 976 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.880 way into the light, something would happen to me physically. 977 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:28.000 They would be unable to put me. They would be 978 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.159 they would be unable to put this. This me back 979 00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.679 into the body, into the body me. Okay, So the 980 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.159 me that she's referring to is like her soul, her 981 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:40.119 consciousness whatever. Right, if she went all the way into 982 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:42.840 the light, there was no fixing it. So they were 983 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:46.199 trying to prevent her from going all the way, like 984 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.039 I had gone too far and they couldn't reconnect, so 985 00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:51.119 they wouldn't let me go anywhere or do anything. Then 986 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:51.960 they were feeding me. 987 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:52.639 Uh. 988 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.239 They were not doing this through my mouth like with food, 989 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.000 but they were nourishing me with something. The only way 990 00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.039 I know how to put this is something spark sparkles 991 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.440 is the image that I get. I definitely recall the 992 00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:07.559 sensation of being nurtured and being fed and being made strong. 993 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:09.960 I know this sounds funny because obviously it wasn't a 994 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:13.239 physical thing, but inside the experience I felt physically strong, 995 00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:16.159 ready for whatever. My grandmother didn't take me back through 996 00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.159 the tunnel or even send me back or asked me 997 00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.679 to go. She just looked up at me. I expected 998 00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:22.440 to go with her, but it was communicated to me 999 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.880 that she just didn't think that she would. It was 1000 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:28.760 communicated to me that she just didn't think that she 1001 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:33.920 would do that okay. My uncle said that he would 1002 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.239 do it. He's the one who took me back through 1003 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.159 the end of the tunnel and everything was fine. I 1004 00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.239 did want to go, but then I got to the 1005 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.840 end of it and saw the thing my body. I 1006 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:45.239 didn't want to get back into it. It looked terrible, 1007 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.519 like a train wreck. It looked like it was dead. 1008 00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.960 I believe it was covered. It scared me, and I 1009 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.400 didn't want to look at it. It was communicated to 1010 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:56.079 me that it was like jumping into a swimming pool. 1011 00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:58.760 No problem, just jump right into the swimming pool. I 1012 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:00.760 didn't want to, but I guess I was late or 1013 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.400 something because he, my uncle, pushed me. I thought a 1014 00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:08.000 definitive or a definite repelling and at the same time 1015 00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:10.559 a polling from the body. The body was pulling and 1016 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.119 the tunnel was pushing. It was like diving into a 1017 00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.119 pool of ice water. It hurt. The assistance finished the 1018 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.880 operation to the sound of rock music, and Reynolds recalled it, said, 1019 00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.519 she goes. They were playing Hotel California and the line 1020 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:25.960 was you can check out any time you like, but 1021 00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:26.800 you can never leave. 1022 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:29.119 I had a feeling that was gonna be the line. 1023 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:33.519 Interesting. That's funny. I mentioned later to doctor Brown that 1024 00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:36.400 that was incredibly insensitive, and he told me that I 1025 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.559 needed to sleep more. When I regained consciousness, I was 1026 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:44.199 still on the respirator. Either, that is coincidental. It has 1027 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.599 to be coincidental, right, I don't. 1028 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:48.800 Thieve coincidences though. 1029 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.239 No, I'm saying that. I can't believe. I wouldn't believe that, 1030 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.840 like the doctors would be purposely playing that at that moment, 1031 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:55.320 you know. 1032 00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:00.599 I mean, I've heard of doctors that played music during surgery, 1033 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:05.400 and typically it's like, you know, non non lyrical music 1034 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.800 or classical or something like that, because they like it's 1035 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.280 it's the same as like working a job. You know, 1036 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.239 some people work better with a little music in the 1037 00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:16.280 background or whatever. Hotel California, maybe he just had like 1038 00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:18.519 an old rock mix or something that's what he works 1039 00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:22.119 best to or whatever. But like, again, yeah, that's uh, 1040 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:24.880 that's kind of crazy that that was the line. 1041 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:27.920 Yeah, pretty, I mean, you know, whatever you want to 1042 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:28.320 make of that. 1043 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:28.840 It says. 1044 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:33.760 As measured by the Grayson NDE scale, Reynolds NDE was 1045 00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:39.320 particularly deep. The maximum score possible is thirty is thirty two. 1046 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:43.480 The average score among Grayson's subjects at the time of 1047 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.519 Sabam's writing was fifteen. That was the average score is fifteen, 1048 00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.840 and the average among the subjects in Sabam's study was 1049 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:53.440 thirteen point three. Reynolds scored a twenty seven. So that's 1050 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.480 according to the nd East scale. Maybe we'll look that 1051 00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:59.760 up here a little bit. Okay, After her experience, Reynolds 1052 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.559 law all fear of death. She said, as quoted in 1053 00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:08.599 a MSNBC broadcast. This is her quote. If death is 1054 00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:11.320 the worst thing that happens to us, what an incredible thing. 1055 00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:14.119 If at the end of our lives, this is what's 1056 00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:16.519 going to happen to everyone. I don't see a problem. 1057 00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:18.760 I really don't get it. I fear pained, but I 1058 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:22.239 don't fear death. So pam Ronold's fully recovered from the 1059 00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.920 operation and lived a healthy life until twenty ten, when 1060 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.880 she died at the age of fifty three of heart failure. 1061 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:29.880 Still young. 1062 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.519 God damn dude, going through some shit, bro, I guess. So, 1063 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.320 I don't know what caused the heart failure, but like, damn, 1064 00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:40.519 fifty three is not old. Granted, I don't plan on 1065 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:43.719 living past fifty, but like to hear that you already 1066 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.159 have one nbe and then to die of fifty three. 1067 00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:48.960 When did the surgery take place sixteen years prior to 1068 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:53.280 her death? Okay, so she still lived a while after that? 1069 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.679 Yeah yeah, yeah, So it says there are verifications. It 1070 00:58:56.719 --> 00:59:01.360 says having examined the operative report and interviewing interviewed Speltzer, 1071 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:05.800 which was the doctor, Subam determined, Oh, Subam is the interviewer. 1072 00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.840 Speltzer was the doctor. Okay. So Sabam determined that Reynolds's 1073 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:12.559 experience could not have been the result of a temporal 1074 00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:17.400 lobe seizure, as no such seizure had been recorded. The 1075 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:20.519 report referred to a female doctor referring to the small 1076 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:25.719 blood vessels, apparently confirming Reynolds's memory of having heard the comment. Significantly, 1077 00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:28.679 Reynolds could not have heard the comment normally, as by 1078 00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.800 this time her ears had been stopped up by the 1079 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:36.440 molded speakers that were generating loud clicks. Sabam also learned 1080 00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.800 that the comment was made at about the same time 1081 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:44.079 that the saw started up. Holy shit. So Sabam was 1082 00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.000 unfamiliar with the bone saw used in the operation, it 1083 00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.960 was not in a position to confirm Reynolds's description of it, 1084 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.679 resembling an electric tutebush and its case resembling a socket 1085 00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:57.199 wrench case. He contacted the manufacturer, who sent pictures of 1086 00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:02.400 him of both. The resemblance was clear, so she described 1087 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.880 it perfectly. I guess yeah, it says. There was media coverage, 1088 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:10.880 so Reynolds's NDE eventually became the subject of multiple television 1089 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:14.239 news segments and newspaper articles. On the radio show Coast 1090 01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:18.280 to Coast AM, which focuses on unexplained phenomena, show host 1091 01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:22.320 Art mel rip to a Real One conducted an in 1092 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:24.960 depth ninety minute interview with her in two thousand and two. 1093 01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.159 A two thousand and nine segment from National Public Radio 1094 01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:31.159 includes a short clip from a rock song Reynolds wrote 1095 01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:34.239 based on her experience. A few days before her death, 1096 01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.239 Reynolds gave more details of the experience in an interview 1097 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:44.800 transcribed by Oh what is that word? Anesthesis? There we 1098 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:50.639 go and an NDE skeptic GM Worley. So there were criticisms, 1099 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:54.000 all right, Well, let's hear the criticisms. I mean, hey, 1100 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:56.000 we're just trying to search the search for the truth, 1101 01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:59.639 it says. In two thousand and seven, the Journal of 1102 01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:04.360 Near Studies published three papers by philosopher Keith Augustine questioning 1103 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:10.000 the validity of ndees with claimed verdict veritical memories and 1104 01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:15.199 dismissing them as fantastical. The issue included responses by NDE 1105 01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:20.000 scholars such as Sabam, Grayson, Kenneth Ring, and Raymond Moody. 1106 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.119 That's a name everybody should look up if you're interested 1107 01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:23.559 in ndaes is Raymond Moody. 1108 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:24.559 Okay. 1109 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:28.320 The debate continued in the following year and restarted in 1110 01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:30.960 twenty eleven with a critical paper in the same journal 1111 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:35.039 by Warley. He contends that Reynolds retained sufficient conscious awareness, 1112 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.079 even under anesthesia, to hear the sound of the saw, 1113 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:41.400 the cardiac surgeon's comments about blood vessel size, and the 1114 01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:47.360 song Hotel, California. Alternatively, he speculates the sound of the 1115 01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:50.440 saw could have reverberated through her skull and she might 1116 01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.679 have guessed the blood vessel comments as she was aware 1117 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:57.119 that she had small blood vessels. Countering this, according to Sabam, 1118 01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:01.079 the technologists who inserted the speakers pointed uh pointed out 1119 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:02.880 that the tape and gauze used to keep them in 1120 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:07.159 place covered the entire ear in ear entrance, making normal 1121 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:12.199 hearing of an operation room conversation impossible, So Augustine argues 1122 01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.559 that Reynolds's visual recall of the bon saw is confused 1123 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.360 on one point and therefore likely incorrect. He suggests that 1124 01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:21.840 she may have guessed what it looked like from the 1125 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:25.920 experience with Detchil drills. He posits that her out of 1126 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:29.039 body experience began and ended before the period of cardiac 1127 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:33.400 arrest commenced, and therefore she could have she still could 1128 01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:36.360 have been slightly conscious and able to physically perceive aspects 1129 01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:39.119 of the operating room. He argues that her memories might 1130 01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:42.800 have become contaminated with with such knowledge of such details 1131 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:45.559 gained during the three years that it lasts between the experience. 1132 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.920 In her first interview with Sabam, so Sabam counters that 1133 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:51.679 while Augustine is correct with regard to the to the 1134 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.760 moment when the out of body experience commenced, that when 1135 01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.679 the saw started up, Reynolds herself identified its conclusion as 1136 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.360 the operation being brought to a close by the assistance 1137 01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:06.199 during the playing of Hotel California, confirming that it was 1138 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.679 underway during the time of cardiac arrests. With regard to 1139 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:12.400 the point about her allegedly confused memory of the saw. 1140 01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:16.880 Parapsychologist Charles Tart counters that a minor error in recall 1141 01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.679 of an unfamiliar instrument is not submit is not sufficient 1142 01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:24.800 to dismiss her memory of having seen it as having 1143 01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:28.800 never occurred. With respect to the three three year delay, 1144 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:32.559 Tart points to statistical evidence that memories of NDEs tend 1145 01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:36.639 to remain consistent over time. The account Reynolds gave in 1146 01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.559 her final interview suggests that the first verifications of her 1147 01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:42.360 outer body memories were actually provided by the medical staff 1148 01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:47.199 very soon afterward. This is where it's more fascinating, whenever 1149 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.800 you can get verifiable shit from the people that were 1150 01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:50.840 actually there, right. 1151 01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.480 Yeah, But they're saying that her story has changed over time. 1152 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:57.719 Well, they're saying that her memory may have changed over time, 1153 01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:02.400 but her recounts of what actually happened whenever not in 1154 01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:04.639 the operating room. You know, you're not going to forget that. 1155 01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:09.360 I think that was the point. But it says the 1156 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:11.840 account Reynolds gave and her final interview suggests that the 1157 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.000 first verifications of her out of body memories were actually 1158 01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:17.800 provided by the medical staff very soon afterward. I thought 1159 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:20.519 I had hallucinations, and when I talked with my family 1160 01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:23.480 and husband, we were joking that made everyone laugh. With 1161 01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:26.599 the exception of the nurse, the doctor, the anesthesiologist, and 1162 01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:31.880 the neurophysiologists. Neurophysiologists, they did not seem to find it funny, 1163 01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:34.400 and they hardly dared to look at me. In fact, 1164 01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:36.920 they knew that I was not hallucinating and that this 1165 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:40.920 had occurred. They had never heard of such such things before. 1166 01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:43.480 I thought maybe it was my imagination and I had 1167 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:45.639 a dream. But they told me that this was not 1168 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.800 the case, and what I saw really happened. They kept 1169 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.320 telling me that I was that it was not a hallucination. 1170 01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:55.519 So Speltzer confirms this, as quoted on MSNBC, saying that 1171 01:04:55.559 --> 01:05:00.639 what she related so quickly after surgery was remarkably precise 1172 01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:05.920 as to some details that went on in the surgery. 1173 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:06.920 Wow. 1174 01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:09.199 I mean, the people in there are saying, like, yo, 1175 01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:12.840 she said it moments after it just because you you know, 1176 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.320 it wasn't documented into it three years after the people 1177 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:18.239 in that room know the story. 1178 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:20.960 Yeah, so yeah, pretty cool. 1179 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.239 So that's Pam Reynolds. I thought that was gonna be 1180 01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:25.639 the Spaghetti State one. I thought that I might have 1181 01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:27.320 fucked that one up. There's a lot of these stories 1182 01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:28.760 that I've read, bro, It's hard to keep them all 1183 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:29.159 in order. 1184 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.239 I get it, especially as you go on to these 1185 01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:34.480 things on Meta Mystery. I get that, like they start 1186 01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:34.960 to blend. 1187 01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:37.480 They do, they do, but they're all still like they're 1188 01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:41.960 all awesome. So this is an article from Forbes dot 1189 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:46.320 com and it says this was actually just written August 1190 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.119 second of this year, so a couple of days ago, 1191 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:51.360 well like two weeks ago. It says what near death 1192 01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:55.639 experiences teach us about work, new studies say, It says, 1193 01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:59.440 so this is gonna be an interesting angle. It says 1194 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.639 near death experiences at work are uncommon in many professions, 1195 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.400 but with close calls and aviation gaining more attention in 1196 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:09.119 recent months, certain industries are grappling with these with the 1197 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:12.360 impacts that these experiences have in the workplace, in ways 1198 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.320 such events influence how survivors move forward in their careers. 1199 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:19.679 Recent studies reveal that employees near death experiences dramatically change 1200 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:22.440 their thoughts about work, what matters most in their careers, 1201 01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:25.440 and their relationships with their coworkers. So what are near 1202 01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:28.960 death experiences and near death experiences is an event when 1203 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.199 someone has a close brush with death and temporarily begins 1204 01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:36.920 the process of dying. After recovery, survivors typically recount an 1205 01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:39.639 out of body experience or a vision of a tunnel 1206 01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:43.599 of light. NDEs occur among seventeen percent of people who 1207 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:47.079 nearly die, and about forty five percent of people who 1208 01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:53.199 report near death experiences describe accompanying accompanying out of body experiences. 1209 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.119 A whopping five to ten percent of the general population 1210 01:06:56.239 --> 01:07:00.039 have memories of an NDE, including somewhere between ten and 1211 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:03.960 twenty three percent of cardiac arrest survivors. Many people who 1212 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:06.760 have had near death experiences describe a sense of awe 1213 01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:09.519 or bliss, and a reluctance to come back into their 1214 01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:11.679 bodies being after being revived. 1215 01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:14.519 That's kind of crazy. Earlier we heard it was like 1216 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:17.880 nine percent of cardiac arrest survivors. Now we're hearing it's 1217 01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.679 more like a twenty five percent of cardiac rest survivors. 1218 01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:24.920 I wonder if the data has gotten more updated since then. 1219 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:27.800 I think so, Yeah, I think so. I don't know 1220 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:31.360 when that original article was written, but this is super recent. 1221 01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:34.840 I mean it's two weeks ago. So it says they 1222 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:39.199 recall seeing and often hearing ongoing earthly events from a 1223 01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:43.320 perspective that is apart and usually above their physical bodies. 1224 01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:47.679 Following cardiac arrests, they may see and later accurately describe 1225 01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:51.400 their own resuscitation. In the last hours before an unexpected 1226 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:55.239 natural death, many people enter a period of unresponsiveness, during 1227 01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:58.880 which they no longer respond to their external environment. Anecdotal 1228 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:02.400 reports from near death XS experiences commonly include stories of 1229 01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:07.480 the dying person hearing unusual noises or hearing themselves pronounced dead. 1230 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:12.199 Bro imagine that he's dead, he's cooked done, and you 1231 01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:12.599 hear that. 1232 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:16.800 Yeah, I just it's crazy. I literally just heard a 1233 01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:19.359 story of a guy who was with the MACV SONG, 1234 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:23.479 which is a Vietnam basically like super special operations group. 1235 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.720 They were listening on the radio one night and the 1236 01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.199 enemy had gotten one of the radios and it was 1237 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:31.640 like super ENCRYPTI. They they weren't supposed to be able 1238 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:35.960 to get in on this, and this woman on the 1239 01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:41.239 line basically read off the obituaries of every single person 1240 01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:44.720 that was in his team, which was scary because no 1241 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:46.600 one was supposed to know they were there. No one 1242 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:49.000 was supposed to know which dudes were in this team 1243 01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:51.520 or any of this stuff. They had like somewhere around 1244 01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:54.119 four to eight hundred guys coming at them at that moment, 1245 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:56.560 and they're trying to radio to like headquarters for an 1246 01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:00.319 extraction all this stuff, and they hear this woman come 1247 01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:04.399 on reading each individual name and their obituary of how 1248 01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:06.359 they died, where they died, all this shit, and it's like, 1249 01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:09.720 oh fuck. So like and they made it out there 1250 01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:14.039 alive doing wrong, but like hearing that that that would 1251 01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:15.399 just fry. 1252 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.359 You, dude, that would definitely throw you through a loop. 1253 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:18.560 There's no doubt about that. 1254 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:19.399 Oh my god. 1255 01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:23.760 So it says that there's scientific research on near death experience. 1256 01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:26.479 As we were reading earlier, this is a more up 1257 01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:28.880 to date article. So it says no one knows for 1258 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.439 sure what happens when we die, but recent information from 1259 01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:34.279 researchers gives us a clue. In twenty twenty, I wrote 1260 01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:38.920 a story for Forbes on brain scientists doctor Jill Bolt Taylor, 1261 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.960 who witnessed her own stroke, describing it as strikingly similar 1262 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.800 to the bliss of an NDE, which she details in 1263 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:49.039 her book called My Stroke of Insight. Taylor told me 1264 01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:51.079 that there was zero fear in that she was bouncing 1265 01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:59.000 in and out a blissful euphoria and awareness of external reality. Interesting, 1266 01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:04.319 an awareness external reality that's fucking awesome. She remembers shifting 1267 01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:08.359 into a consciousness that she's a part of a greater humanity, 1268 01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:12.920 more open, expansive, and flexible to possibilities as opposed to 1269 01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:17.600 self focused needs. Now, her quote is is that the 1270 01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:20.479 authentic self is part of us that I firmly believe 1271 01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:22.840 shows up in the last five minutes of our lives. 1272 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:27.439 When we're on our deathbreed, on our deathbed, the left 1273 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:30.720 brain begins to dissipate. We shift out of all the 1274 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:34.279 accumulation and the external world because it's no longer valuable. 1275 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:36.960 What is valuable is who we are as human beings 1276 01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.079 and what we did with our lives to help others. 1277 01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:43.039 That's her quote. So yeah, so, I mean I would 1278 01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.479 probably think that same way. That's fair. 1279 01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:51.199 Neuroscientists accept ndase as a unique mental state that offers 1280 01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:55.840 insight into the death experience. A recent burst in research 1281 01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:59.800 suggests that survivors of near death experiences feel increased empathy, 1282 01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:03.159 spiritual growth, a sense of purpose, and even a change 1283 01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:06.479 of how they approach their jobs. A groundbreaking study in 1284 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:12.039 Scientific Reports validates anecdotal records with the first empirical evidence 1285 01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:15.640 that people still hear while in an unresponsive state hours 1286 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.560 before dying. The researchers found that the auditory systems of 1287 01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:24.119 dying patients respond similarly to young, healthy participants just hours 1288 01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:26.840 from the end of their life. They conclude that hearing 1289 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.760 is the last sense to go in a dying brain. 1290 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:35.640 A study in June of twenty twenty five, an issue 1291 01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:39.920 of the Journal of Applied Psychology, explores stories from military 1292 01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:42.119 aviators who had a close brush with death on the 1293 01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.720 job and would help them process the traumatic experiences and 1294 01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:48.640 rediscover meaning in their work. So I spoke with the 1295 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:54.600 studies co author Kevin Rockman, a professor of management at 1296 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:57.960 George Mason's University Costello College of Business. He told me 1297 01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:00.960 that participants use storytelling about their loose brush with death 1298 01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:03.680 as a means to reclaim a sense of purpose, identity, 1299 01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:07.000 and belonging in their jobs. He adds that the story 1300 01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:10.640 He adds that storytelling after a life threatening event also 1301 01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:14.720 applies to corporate employees readjusting to life's readjusting to life 1302 01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:17.680 after facing a traumatic or serious medical event like the 1303 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:22.520 recent Manhattan mass shooting at New York's NFL headquarters, major 1304 01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:27.039 surgery or auto accident. The way the way stories are 1305 01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:31.439 told with humor, exaggeration, or vulnerability shapes emotional healing in 1306 01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:35.960 workplace esteem. Rockman says even deeply traumatic experiences can strengthen 1307 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:38.760 an employees' connection to their role, especially in high stakes 1308 01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:45.039 jobs like aviation, healthcare, or emergency response. So they published 1309 01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:49.800 in July of this year, explores how NDEs affect employees 1310 01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:52.640 return to their jobs. The most common change is the 1311 01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:55.800 desire to do more meaningful work. The study found that 1312 01:12:55.960 --> 01:13:00.840 NDEs reshapes values, creating a deeper appreciation of life of life, 1313 01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:04.720 less value on money, material possessions, and prestige, and more 1314 01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:08.600 importance on meaning, purpose and loving others. Survivors often change 1315 01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:12.399 the direction of their careers, focus on different work priorities, 1316 01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:15.760 and switch jobs or start their own companies. The researchers 1317 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:20.199 also reported that NDEs transform how survivors interact with and 1318 01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:23.159 relate to others at work, making them more than just 1319 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:27.720 business associates, creating deeper relationships connecting to them as human beings. 1320 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:32.359 The stories of near death survivors often offer a kind 1321 01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:36.039 of blueprint for reimagining how we work. For employees, that 1322 01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:40.359 might that might mean reevaluating what success looks like or 1323 01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:45.039 exploring roles that align more closely with personal values. For employers, 1324 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:48.880 it might involve fostering workplace cultures that prioritize connection, purpose, 1325 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:51.319 and well being. So basically to say that whenever people 1326 01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:55.840 go through these crazy experiences, their entire life perspective changes. 1327 01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:59.119 They no longer give a fuck about material things. They 1328 01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:02.640 don't care about doing jobs if it's not helping humanity 1329 01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:04.760 in a certain kind of way. They want to feel 1330 01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:08.159 like they are giving something back because they are now 1331 01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:10.199 more grateful for the life that they get to live. 1332 01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.560 So yeah, I mean, even if you think that this 1333 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:17.279 is just a rush of you know, chemicals and it's 1334 01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:20.159 not really anything special, Even if you think that, to 1335 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:21.840 the individual, that's not how they. 1336 01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:24.760 View it, right. They see it as something profound and 1337 01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:28.720 in some way life changing. I'm with you, right, And 1338 01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:32.159 so it says when coworkers have near death experiences. According 1339 01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:34.960 to Rockman, the natural tendency is to suppress near death 1340 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:37.840 stories so as to not disturb hearers and make the 1341 01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:41.920 affected person relive the experience. But he believes that this 1342 01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:44.560 overlooks the value to be gained by encouraging that person 1343 01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:47.279 to share their story with others in the workplace. Unspoken 1344 01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:51.399 workplace rules cause miscommunication and disconnection. If you're an employer, 1345 01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:53.479 experts recommend that you ensure. 1346 01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:56.159 Okay, who gets the fuck about that? All right? So 1347 01:14:56.239 --> 01:15:00.039 basically to say that, like, it's important to allow the 1348 01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:04.079 people to tell their stories, you know, leave your preconceived 1349 01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:07.439 notions or whatever at the door. Basically, yeah, so it's 1350 01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:10.439 pretty cool. So another one, this is the one I 1351 01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:13.800 was talking about, this is I had this guy on 1352 01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:18.319 my show and fuck, man, I mean so good this story. 1353 01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:20.720 And like, I guess he was like a real piece 1354 01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:22.840 of shit before, he was drinking a lot, he didn't 1355 01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:25.239 really care about life. He ends up having this crazy 1356 01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:29.880 experience and his life completely change upside down. So this 1357 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.520 article was actually written in twenty twenty so I had 1358 01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:36.239 him on meadow way after that, I think in like 1359 01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:39.439 twenty twenty four. I think it was last year. I 1360 01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:40.720 want to say, yeah, I think I was living in 1361 01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:45.840 Texas already when we had that conversation. Okay, So David 1362 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:50.039 Ditchfield's remarkable near death experience. It says in two thousand 1363 01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:53.760 and six, a man called David Ditchfield was seeing off 1364 01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:57.960 a friend at a train station near Cambridge, England. He 1365 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:00.079 stepped onto the train to help his friend with her 1366 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:02.920 luggage and to hug her goodbye. But as he stepped 1367 01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:05.680 back off, his long coat got stuck in the train's 1368 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:08.359 closing doors. Unable to take off the coat, he found 1369 01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:12.279 himself trapped as the train set off. He was pulled 1370 01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:15.560 along the platform as the car as the train gathered speed, 1371 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:20.640 being tossed around like a rag doll. Fucking got run over. 1372 01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:24.920 Final destination. Shit right there, Fuck that, Fuck all that, 1373 01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:25.920 he says. 1374 01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:28.279 Then he was sucked up into the gap between the 1375 01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:30.640 train and the platform and ended up on the train 1376 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:34.399 track with the train hurling above him. Despite the danger, 1377 01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:38.279 David felt strangely calm. To maximize his chances of survival, 1378 01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:40.720 He pushed himself as far down into the tracks that 1379 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.439 he could. The final carriage of the train passed over him, 1380 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:45.640 and he felt a surge of joy that that he 1381 01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:49.319 had survived, although now he felt intense pain. He noticed 1382 01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:51.359 that the left sleeve of his coat had been ripped 1383 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:55.239 to shreds and that his arm had been severed. Oh shit, 1384 01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.600 his arm had been severed from the elbowed down, as 1385 01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:01.840 he says, everything on it in a slow dreamlike way. 1386 01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:06.920 It I felt an unearthly, absolute sense of calmness. David 1387 01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:09.359 was rushed to the hospital by paramedics with his life 1388 01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:11.960 hanging in the balance as he was losing so much blood. 1389 01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:15.239 Shortly after arriving at the hospital, he lost normal consciousness 1390 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:18.640 and suddenly found himself in a completely different environment, immersed 1391 01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:22.319 in a darkness that seemed warm and soft, with vivid 1392 01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:24.319 colors and lights around him. 1393 01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:27.520 There was no calmness. That calmness. She'll hear that from 1394 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:30.319 a lot of dudes that get like, you know, bombs 1395 01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:32.640 go off by them and they become an amput. It's shock, 1396 01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:35.399 like they only realize they're missing an arm or anything 1397 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:37.720 like that. They feel fine, then the look down and 1398 01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:40.079 they see that it's missing, then the shock, whereas all 1399 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:42.439 then they feel the pain and all these things. So like, yeah, 1400 01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:42.920 I get that. 1401 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:45.800 I mean I had I'm not gonna even put myself 1402 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:49.000 to that degree, but I had somewhat of a similar experience. 1403 01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:52.600 It was like, uh, last year for Christmas, there was 1404 01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:54.720 like a fucking shooting. I told everybody about it, but 1405 01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:56.439 there was a shooting at the mall that I was at, 1406 01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:59.840 and everybody was running and fucking crying and panicaning and everything. 1407 01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:03.199 I'm like, I'm just walking, bro, Like I it's not 1408 01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:05.600 that I don't care, It's just that I I had 1409 01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:10.039 this strange, for no reason, sense of calmness that took 1410 01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:12.439 over my body to where I just I just in 1411 01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:15.319 my mind, I was like, dude, whatever's gonna happen is 1412 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:18.479 gonna happen. Whether I stress and fucking panic about it 1413 01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:20.520 is not going to change my circumstance. I don't even 1414 01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:24.159 know where that came from, right, because why would anybody 1415 01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:25.960 think that way? I don't know. It was strange, I 1416 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:29.399 get it. So anyway, it says there was no pain anymore, 1417 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:32.000 and he felt very tranquil. This is now. This is 1418 01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:34.560 how he described his experience in an interview with me. 1419 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:39.119 I could see pulsating colors like little orbs, much brighter 1420 01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:41.119 and sharper than any colors I had seen in my 1421 01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:44.640 normal life. Watching them was really relaxing. In therapeutic it 1422 01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:46.600 was such a beautiful place, with a feeling that I 1423 01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:49.119 was being cared for and supported. I thought that this 1424 01:18:49.359 --> 01:18:52.239 is what it might be, what it must be like 1425 01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:54.520 to die, and then wondered if it meant that I 1426 01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:57.520 had just died. The sensation of love became stronger, and 1427 01:18:57.560 --> 01:18:59.600 I looked down at my feet. I saw a huge 1428 01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:02.479 tunnel of light drawing closer towards me. I felt, and 1429 01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:05.399 I still believe this now, that the white light was 1430 01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:08.239 the source of all creation. I never dreamt that I 1431 01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:11.199 would ever see something so beautiful. It was the light 1432 01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:14.680 of pure, unconditional love. Every molecule of my body was 1433 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:18.399 pulsating with love and light. It was the most incredible sensation. 1434 01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:21.880 I felt more alive than I have than I ever 1435 01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:25.479 done before. It felt like I was experiencing the true reality, 1436 01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:28.159 while my old world was just an illusion. That's what 1437 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:29.399 so many people say. 1438 01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:32.239 Like it somehow while the train was going over or 1439 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:34.159 after the fact of my hospital, this is in the 1440 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:37.479 near death experience, That's what I'm saying. Like at the hospital, 1441 01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:38.640 not with the train. 1442 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:44.520 Yeah, I think so. Yeah. At the hospital. At that point, 1443 01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:47.079 I felt certain that I was dead, but I didn't 1444 01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:49.840 feel any fear or regret. I laid my head back 1445 01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:52.880 and I laughed because I felt so joyous. Then suddenly 1446 01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:55.119 I was back in the hospital with an overdrive of 1447 01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:57.880 noise and light and people and frantic voices. I was 1448 01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:02.640 being rushed, I was being rushed into theater. Interesting, so 1449 01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:06.359 attempted explanation of near death experiences. David's experience is a 1450 01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:10.239 remarkable example of what is usually referred to as a 1451 01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:13.479 near death experience. Near death experiences occur when a person's 1452 01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:15.359 body and brain shut down for a short period of 1453 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.239 time before they are resuscitated, for example, after cardiac arrests. 1454 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:21.000 In many cases, people report that even though their brain 1455 01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:23.800 showed no signs of activity, they continue to be conscious 1456 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:28.960 and underwent a remarkable series of experiences, usually along similar 1457 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:33.159 lines to David's. Such experiences are surprisingly common. For example, 1458 01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:36.319 research suggests that around a third of cardiac arrest patients 1459 01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:37.960 report them after resuscitation. 1460 01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:41.520 So first we got nine percent, Now we got twenty 1461 01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:44.079 five percent, Now we got a third. 1462 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:47.800 I think that it's not conclusive, and these might be 1463 01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:50.000 individual people that are doing these tests. 1464 01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:51.960 I think, okay, okay. 1465 01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:56.600 It says nds are controversial because there is no viable 1466 01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.880 neurological or physiological explanation for them. Many suggests have been made, 1467 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:04.760 for example, that they are caused by cerebral anoxia, which 1468 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:07.159 is a lacks of lack of oxygen to the brain, 1469 01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:11.520 undetected brain activity, or the release of psychedelic chemicals like ketamine. 1470 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:14.439 Huh okay, crom. 1471 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:17.199 I've never heard the ketamine as some of your brain 1472 01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:21.079 releases naturally. I know DMT is, but or is this 1473 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:23.039 them trying to compare ketamine to DMT? 1474 01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:26.119 I think so? Yeah? Oh lord, it says from this 1475 01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:30.319 point of view, NDEs are nothing more than brain created hallucinations, 1476 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.520 no more than real dreams. But there are problems with 1477 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:39.479 all of these explanations. Cerebral anoxia usually results in chaotic 1478 01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:44.079 hallucinatory experiences and is associated with confusion and memory loss, 1479 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:49.319 but people report NDEs as unlike this. They are usually 1480 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:54.159 very serene, structured, and well integrated experiences. Research has shown 1481 01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:59.680 no significant similarity between psychedelic experiences and NDEs, and there 1482 01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:01.960 is no evidence that the brain has a hidden store 1483 01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:04.239 of psychedelic chemicals that are released when we are close 1484 01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:07.680 to death. I disagree, but let's. 1485 01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:11.920 Move I mean a hidden store. That that's misleading, right. 1486 01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:14.479 That's like saying, well, there's no evidence to say that 1487 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.560 your brain has a hidden store of chemicals that are 1488 01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:19.359 released while you're sleeping. That we might call a dream. Like, 1489 01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:23.119 it's not a hidden store. This is they're chemicals that 1490 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:25.600 are already in the brain. They're not like on reserve 1491 01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:28.319 waiting to be deployed. They're just kind of there and 1492 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:31.840 they get deployed when your brain relaxes enough to deploy them. 1493 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:35.520 Yeah. Yeah, it's probably something that doesn't necessarily need I 1494 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:37.319 don't know if there is a store of it. It's 1495 01:22:37.319 --> 01:22:41.199 almost like somebody saying, I don't know, Like like people 1496 01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:45.279 like men, we keep on creating a semen. You know, 1497 01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:47.199 it's not like you pump it all out and it's 1498 01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:48.159 all gone, you know. 1499 01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:51.199 Well, I mean with the semen thing, like your balls 1500 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:54.840 store the semen that is the reserves, right, And I 1501 01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:57.000 can understand at a certain point, like even whenever you 1502 01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:01.439 take loose and jesup but can't speak hallucinogenics, Like if 1503 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:05.359 you take a hero zose mushrooms, your brain feels like 1504 01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:06.920 you're in a fog for the next two or three 1505 01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:09.439 days until your chemicals level back out because you just 1506 01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:12.520 used all of them. So like they're already in the brain, 1507 01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:15.119 but it's not like they're stockpiled somewhere and they like 1508 01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:18.079 they give you like a drip of it throughout the day. 1509 01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:20.119 It's kind of one of those things where your body 1510 01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:25.000 produces what is needed. But again it's not I feel 1511 01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:26.920 like that just that was a misleading sentence. 1512 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:29.760 You know, yeah, maybe it was, it says. It is 1513 01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:32.760 also difficult to see how endase could be due to 1514 01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:37.640 undetected brain activity. When after cardiac arrest, brain stem reflexes 1515 01:23:37.720 --> 01:23:40.800 are lost straight away and do not return until the 1516 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.520 heart has been restored. How could a brain be functioning 1517 01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:46.920 without showing any signs of activity. In any case, if 1518 01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:50.239 there was some undetected brain activity, it would have to 1519 01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:53.199 be incredibly low, and it seems unlikely that such a 1520 01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.680 low level of brain activity could produce very intense, apparently 1521 01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:02.119 conscious experiences. It's a good point, So then it gets 1522 01:24:02.119 --> 01:24:06.920 into the long term effects of NDEs. One of the 1523 01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:09.760 most striking things about near death experiences is their long 1524 01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:12.199 term effect. Although they may only last for a few 1525 01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:15.199 seconds of normal time, near death experiences usually have a 1526 01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:19.399 powerful transformational effect. David Ditchfield's experience is an excellent example 1527 01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:22.319 of this. His NDE changed him so dramatically that he 1528 01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:24.800 feels as if he is that he has a different 1529 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:27.520 life and a different identity, almost as if he is 1530 01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:30.199 a different person living in the same body, And even 1531 01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:33.920 after fourteen years, these changes have not diminished. As David 1532 01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:37.880 told me, here we go, I feel like I'm living 1533 01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:40.359 in different dimensions rather than just one. I'm much more 1534 01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:42.399 sensitive and can pick up on the energy of places 1535 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:44.960 in people. It has made my life so much more interesting. 1536 01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:47.279 I have a lot more appreciation for nature in the 1537 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:51.039 world seems a beautiful place. I love watching animals and insects, 1538 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:54.079 watching the seasons change. Before the experience, I was so 1539 01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:56.600 immersed in myself that all of those things just didn't 1540 01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:59.359 exist for me. They were just there. It's changed my 1541 01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:02.520 relationship too. I'm a lot more understanding rather than feeling 1542 01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:05.319 disappointed with people, I have a much broader take on 1543 01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:08.199 how people work. That helps me to be more supportive 1544 01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:11.319 of the people around me. David began to paint as 1545 01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:13.600 a way of depicting the visions that he had seen. 1546 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.359 One of his paintings is at the beginning of this article. 1547 01:25:16.680 --> 01:25:19.000 Oh let's go see that painting. 1548 01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:22.119 I saw that when I was wondering what that artwork was. 1549 01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:25.880 There we go. Yeah, One of one of his paintings 1550 01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:29.760 depicting the his NDE. So this is what he says 1551 01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:30.920 that he saw in there. 1552 01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:35.880 That's pretty wid a basic an explosion almost, that's kind 1553 01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:36.560 of what it looks like. 1554 01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:39.000 Or maybe some portal or tunnel or something. 1555 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:40.479 Is that a skull? 1556 01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:43.920 He told us that whenever he had his NDE that 1557 01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.880 he felt like he was out like in the like 1558 01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:50.199 floating around in the universe, is how he said. And 1559 01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:55.279 he said that he witnessed seeing a fucking waterfall of stars. 1560 01:25:56.520 --> 01:25:58.840 Like he said that just in the middle of the universe, 1561 01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:02.159 for no reason at all, was a waterfall of just 1562 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:04.199 stars that were falling like water. 1563 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:06.960 That that's pretty crazy. 1564 01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:12.000 Yeah, pretty uh descriptive. So anyway, where were we? 1565 01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:12.520 Uh? 1566 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:15.520 He also learned to compose classical music as another way 1567 01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:17.960 of conveying the incredible sense of peace and calmness that 1568 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:21.920 he had that he had experienced. That is fascinating in 1569 01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:26.920 of itself. He's actually gone to like he's produced his 1570 01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:30.159 own what are those people called that they go like this, 1571 01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:33.840 the conductor is nothing conductor, Yeah, the conductor or the composer, 1572 01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:37.359 composer right to to you know, the people of all 1573 01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:39.439 the instruments. My brain's not working right now. I'm sick, 1574 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:43.600 but anyway, he's been conducting this shit. He never had 1575 01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:46.479 any experience with music at all before his nd and 1576 01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:50.119 now all of a sudden, he's composing fucking orchestras, which 1577 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:54.000 is crazy, right, Yeah, and became an artist, so like, 1578 01:26:54.199 --> 01:27:00.840 just creative in every facet. So he continue, where was 1579 01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:04.439 you know? I lost my spot? Okay, so he also 1580 01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:08.079 learned to compose classical classical music. These long term changes 1581 01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:10.680 are typical of NDEs. They almost always bring a profound 1582 01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:14.479 shift of values and perspective, which leads which itself leads 1583 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:18.600 to major lifestyle changes. People often become less materialistic and 1584 01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:23.279 more altruistic, less self oriented, and more compassionate. Like David. 1585 01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:26.479 They often report becoming more sensitive to beauty, more and 1586 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:29.640 more appreciative of everyday things. So the fact that they 1587 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:33.119 have such profound after effects makes it seem very unlikely 1588 01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:38.239 that NDEs are a brain generated hallucination. Hallucinations are usually 1589 01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:41.319 quickly forgotten, with a clear sense of that they were 1590 01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:47.680 delusional experiences, less authentic and reliable than ordinary consciousness. Even 1591 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:51.279 though they seem to contradict our standard materialistic view of reality, 1592 01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:53.640 we have no option but to be open to the end, 1593 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:59.279 to the idea that NDEs are authentic experiences. So I mean, 1594 01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:02.279 there you go, David fucking Ditchfield. I thought it was 1595 01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:04.079 gonna go a little bit more in detail because and 1596 01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:07.359 maybe maybe I'll get him on the show. Fascinating How 1597 01:28:07.399 --> 01:28:10.239 long ago to have him on the show. Maybe a year, 1598 01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:11.680 year and a half ago something like that? 1599 01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:15.720 On meta Okay, interesting. 1600 01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:18.560 Yeah, very fascinating individual to talk to. He'll go in 1601 01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:22.760 super depth about what he experienced. It'll fucking it'll it'll 1602 01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:23.560 shake you a little bit. 1603 01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:24.479 Damn. 1604 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:29.520 That's awesome though, very very good. So there's that article, 1605 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:31.399 all right. I want to get to this Jeremy Renner 1606 01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:35.079 one because this was really recent. This article was written, 1607 01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:42.159 wrote writ Wroten, wrote wrote on May twenty first this year. 1608 01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:45.239 So and anybody that listened to him on the Joe 1609 01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:49.399 Rogan Experience, Man, Joe didn't go into detail about what 1610 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:52.279 he experienced in his any nd E. And I'm like, Joe, 1611 01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:54.880 what the fuck? Man like guy said that he had 1612 01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:57.199 an nd and You're like, oh, that's interesting, Well what 1613 01:28:57.279 --> 01:29:00.239 else happened? It's like, come on on. 1614 01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:03.880 That is kind of crazy. You would think that Joe 1615 01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:05.279 has been a minute on then. 1616 01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:10.359 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, but anyway, this 1617 01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:13.600 is Jeremy Renner explains why he was so pissed off 1618 01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:17.560 when he was quote unquote brought back after snowplow incident. 1619 01:29:18.119 --> 01:29:21.720 U here we go. So Jeremy Renner is opening up 1620 01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:24.319 about the powerful wave of feelings that he experienced after 1621 01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:28.960 regaining consciousness following his near death snowplow accident in January 1622 01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.920 of twenty twenty three. On Wednesday, May twenty first, Renner, 1623 01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:35.720 who is fifty four years old, appeared on the Serious 1624 01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:40.000 XM's show called Let's Talk Off Camera with Kelly Rippa 1625 01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:44.199 to promote his recently published memoir called My Next Breath. 1626 01:29:44.479 --> 01:29:47.720 During his conversation with host Kelly Rippa, the actor recalled 1627 01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:50.800 his near death experiences when he broke dozens of bones 1628 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:53.760 and was left in critical condition after he was struck 1629 01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:56.880 and crushed by a seven ton snowplow at his home 1630 01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:00.199 near Reno, Nevada, on New Year's Day. He goes, it 1631 01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:03.479 was at a great relief, is all I can say. 1632 01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:06.439 It's a wonderful relief to be removed from your body. 1633 01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:10.159 A wonderful relief to be removed from your body. 1634 01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:14.600 He said, Oh, okay, that sounds like people that took 1635 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:16.840 like a hero's dose of a psychedelic and they're like, 1636 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:18.720 you're having that ego death. 1637 01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:23.079 Yeah, I agree. It is the most exhilarating piece that 1638 01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:25.720 you could ever feel. You don't see anything but what's 1639 01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:28.840 in your mind's eye. He says, you're the atoms of 1640 01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:32.479 you're the atoms of who you are, the DNA, your 1641 01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:36.960 spirit is. It's the highest adrenaline rush. But the piece 1642 01:30:37.000 --> 01:30:40.760 that comes with it, it's magnificent. It's magnificent. It's so magical. 1643 01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:43.520 And I didn't want to come back, and I remember 1644 01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:46.239 and I was brought back, and I was so pissed off. 1645 01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:51.199 I was gone for I think five minutes or or 1646 01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:53.279 two minutes or ten. But I came back and I 1647 01:30:53.319 --> 01:30:56.000 saw the eyeball again. I don't know what is referrin 1648 01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:59.119 to there, he goes. I'm like, oh shit, I'm back. 1649 01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:01.479 Saw my legs. I'm like, yeah, that's gonna hurt later. 1650 01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:04.920 I'm like, all right, well, let me continue to breathe. 1651 01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:09.039 Rennerd titled his memoir My Next Breath in recognition of 1652 01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:10.960 the solace that he focused or that he found and 1653 01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:14.000 focusing on breathing during the forty five minutes. It took 1654 01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:17.560 for him to receive emergency help, and in the more 1655 01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:22.640 than two years since the accident occurred, oh It says, 1656 01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:27.039 when Rippa asked whether he spoke with anyone while he 1657 01:31:27.079 --> 01:31:30.359 was unconscious, the actors simply stated that he entered a 1658 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:34.640 plane of existence that was, in quotes not linear. He goes, 1659 01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:37.039 it makes me a man that did not want to 1660 01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:40.479 come back really be able to be back here and 1661 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:43.880 live on my terms as the captain of my own ship. 1662 01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:46.079 Get on it or get off. I don't give a fuck, 1663 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:48.840 he said. I'm not going I'm not going to live 1664 01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:51.000 life or I'm going to live life on my own 1665 01:31:51.079 --> 01:31:54.119 terms and for nobody else. I'm very clear. The white 1666 01:31:54.159 --> 01:31:57.439 noise is ripped away. I repel the things that I 1667 01:31:57.479 --> 01:31:59.720 gave credence to. I can't stomach the things that I 1668 01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:02.560 gave that I gave credence to prior to the to 1669 01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:06.159 the accident. I invest in love and my shared relationships 1670 01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:09.119 that I experience love with because that's the only thing 1671 01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:10.359 that you'll take with you. 1672 01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:16.439 Wow. So not in not super le in crept in 1673 01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:21.760 depth detail, but I mean that's all sounds profound. Nonetheless, 1674 01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:23.319 And he's. 1675 01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:25.479 Dude, when you hear him talk about it. Oh my god. 1676 01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:27.720 He just seems like such a good guy, you know, 1677 01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:32.159 but he seems plus Pittsburgh native. That's my people right there. 1678 01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:34.479 Baby, he's a Pittsburgh native. 1679 01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:38.000 Yeah. I don't know if it's Pittsburgh or surrounding area, 1680 01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:41.119 but he's he's from that area. 1681 01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:43.760 Interesting, Yeah, dude, well. 1682 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:49.279 Sounds he sounds like he's from Pittsburgh. 1683 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:50.520 No doubt. Yeah, I'm trying to see I got I 1684 01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:52.840 found a couple of videos of him talking about it, 1685 01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:56.199 but they're all like ten minutes fourteen minutes long and 1686 01:32:56.239 --> 01:32:58.039 all this and I don't you know, we don'tlyn spend 1687 01:32:58.039 --> 01:33:01.479 that much time listening in on it. But wow, that's interesting. 1688 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:04.960 Yeah, yeah, I would love to hear a yen's from 1689 01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:07.760 him personally. If I can hear a little Pittsburgh ease 1690 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:09.840 out of him, that would, uh, that would tickle my fancy. 1691 01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:11.279 I don't know if I've heard of YenS though. 1692 01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:13.279 Pittsburgh ease. 1693 01:33:13.399 --> 01:33:16.239 Huh, little Pittsburgh ease, that's our language. 1694 01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:19.359 Wow, you know what? Actually, I found a short let 1695 01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:21.880 me uh, let me share the screen real quick, and 1696 01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:26.279 let's talk. Let's hear rather uh, let's hear your boy 1697 01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:30.439 Jeremy Renner talking on behalf of himself about his nd 1698 01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.319 let's go it physically, and to know that that's what 1699 01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:36.680 ran over your leg, oh my whole body. 1700 01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:39.960 Oh gosh, the accident happened because you have to get 1701 01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:41.800 in and out on the off on those tracks. 1702 01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:43.000 And I hit. 1703 01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:45.840 The thumb thing and uh it threw me off and 1704 01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:47.359 I was going towards my nephew, so I had to 1705 01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:49.439 jump back on and try to stop from killing him. 1706 01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:51.720 To if your boughty to run over the entire all, 1707 01:33:52.079 --> 01:33:52.439 it's like. 1708 01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:57.079 It was like you know, you're like you're drowning and 1709 01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:00.800 being struck by lightning and eating out and tell all 1710 01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:03.039 the things all went its thirty eight broken bones and 1711 01:34:03.159 --> 01:34:03.920 eyeballs out. 1712 01:34:04.119 --> 01:34:09.960 Oh and it's a shot out to medical I know, right, bro. 1713 01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:13.680 His eyeball was out of his socket, both. 1714 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:14.359 Of them apparently. 1715 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:20.640 Fuck that. Wow. Yeah, it's uh yeah, he really went 1716 01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:22.640 through it. And you want to talk about like that's 1717 01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:25.039 for him to come back like he did. Look at him, 1718 01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:26.840 it looks like nothing happened to him. 1719 01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:32.199 I mean, you know, plastic surgery is miracle things real 1720 01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:35.560 shit here, But I mean, cool, all right, you know 1721 01:34:35.600 --> 01:34:37.920 this is him getting emotional about near death experience. Let's 1722 01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:42.560 listen in it's been the reaction from your friends, your 1723 01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:47.800 loved ones, colleagues with this new new look at life. 1724 01:34:47.960 --> 01:34:51.520 There's there's with with that, Oprah, there's that's where a 1725 01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:55.239 lot of it's it's was. It was all a connected 1726 01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:57.279 thing anyway. It wasn't just it just didn't just happen 1727 01:34:57.279 --> 01:34:57.479 to me. 1728 01:34:58.159 --> 01:34:58.359 Right. 1729 01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:01.720 Mine might have gotten ran over, but I affected so 1730 01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:03.840 many people in my life that I love dearly, so 1731 01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:05.880 many people that in the ripple effect of that goes 1732 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:08.439 beyond Yes, we're here talking about it now on a 1733 01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:14.000 podcast two years later. So I held responsibility to that 1734 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:19.199 and used that as fuel to heal my family and 1735 01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:23.199 knows that I've hurt and giving the I gave them 1736 01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:27.279 a lot of toxic, awful images and dreams. And like 1737 01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:29.600 my poor nephew, he had to watch me holding my 1738 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:31.439 arm die in the ice of my eyeball out. 1739 01:35:31.319 --> 01:35:33.199 Yeah you can't, right, yeah. 1740 01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:36.960 So in me never worrying about getting better, I just 1741 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:37.800 had to get better. 1742 01:35:37.640 --> 01:35:40.880 To help them. So whatever my physical. 1743 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:45.720 Milestones were, they were always fueled by number one, my daughter, 1744 01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:48.960 and then the rest of my family too, because I 1745 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:56.279 love them so deeply. I couldn't bear the responsibility of 1746 01:35:56.319 --> 01:35:59.960 giving them nightmares for the rest of her life. 1747 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:01.279 I said, it might die. 1748 01:36:01.039 --> 01:36:05.079 So I'm going to take this one way road of recovery, 1749 01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:08.039 and God damn it, I'm gonna recover, and God damn it, 1750 01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:10.840 I'm gonna get better every damn day for my family, 1751 01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:11.680 for my daughter. 1752 01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:14.399 And that's how I got better so fast. 1753 01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:18.159 And then there's miracles involved at every turn here, with 1754 01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:21.079 every doctor, very my you know, there's it took a 1755 01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:23.680 thousand people to keep me alive, okay, but to get 1756 01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:26.520 better once I wasn't dying. It was my family and 1757 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:29.840 my love, my deep love, the safe landing spot of 1758 01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:32.640 love that I have with my family all my life 1759 01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:37.880 and not wanting to disappoint them. So fortunate that I 1760 01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:39.520 had that one way road of recovery. 1761 01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:44.000 Wow on Oprah talking about it, Oh God, I just 1762 01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:46.800 love that guy. That's insane, dude. 1763 01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:49.920 Yeah, yeah, it's And that's the thing is that it 1764 01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:54.079 has such a profound effect on literally everybody, everybody that 1765 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:57.079 has had an experience. You're like, they they say, it's 1766 01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:00.520 it sticks with you, like it's you know, you're never 1767 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:04.560 going to forget that. And you know, I mean, hey, 1768 01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:06.479 it's just a thing where it's a thing where everybody's 1769 01:37:06.479 --> 01:37:08.600 trying to figure out what the hell it is. You know, 1770 01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:12.439 is it proof of the afterlife or is it proof 1771 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:16.239 that we exist outside the body even though we perceive 1772 01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:20.439 that we do. I don't know, you know, this is 1773 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:24.880 actually a really good story. This is one that actually 1774 01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:27.600 sparked my interest in wanting to do this episode. I 1775 01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:30.399 found this article like a week ago and I was like, 1776 01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:32.680 oh my god, I got to get back into do 1777 01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:35.159 you want to show on NDEES because this fucking one 1778 01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:35.800 got me. 1779 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:38.439 We've had a few people requests that we do a 1780 01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:43.920 show on indies, but there's so many stories and so 1781 01:37:44.039 --> 01:37:48.279 many different stories, so many similar stories, it's very difficult 1782 01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:52.359 to pinpoint a direction even when it comes to these 1783 01:37:52.399 --> 01:37:53.760 types of things bro over. 1784 01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:59.920 There's tens of thousands, tens of thousands of documented stories, 1785 01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:03.760 tens of thousands, and the main if anybody ever wants 1786 01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:05.760 to go and check these out, you can just literally 1787 01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:08.760 go and read them until you die. There's so many stories. 1788 01:38:09.399 --> 01:38:13.399 If you want to go to NDERF dot org, which 1789 01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:17.800 is Near Death Experience Research Foundation dot org, they document 1790 01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:20.720 literally tens of thousands of them over there. It's crazy, 1791 01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:24.199 and they're still uploading more every day, like it's a 1792 01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:26.479 thing that people have one and they know that they 1793 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:28.159 can go to that website and document it. 1794 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:29.960 That's incredible. 1795 01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:34.199 Yeah, it's pretty awesome. But this is from spooky site 1796 01:38:34.279 --> 01:38:37.880 dot com. It says woman declared dead for eight minutes 1797 01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:41.399 says that she discovered that death is an illusion. 1798 01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:46.079 Has written also real quick, while we have a minute, 1799 01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:47.840 and we just played some videos. We got a bunch 1800 01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:51.960 of articles we've been reading here Frenny coltmember that is 1801 01:38:52.039 --> 01:38:55.600 trying to see these things rather than just hear about them. Jonathan, 1802 01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:57.800 where can they go? How can they get a hold 1803 01:38:57.840 --> 01:38:58.039 of that? 1804 01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:01.159 Well, we always we want you to be able to 1805 01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:03.520 see with your third eye. 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Stop 1824 01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:52.359 wasting your time, save your finger a couple extra clicks 1825 01:39:52.520 --> 01:39:54.560 instead of just hitting fast forward all the time. 1826 01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:57.319 You ain't got to hit fast forward on shit on Patreon. Okay, 1827 01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:57.840 that's right. 1828 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:01.840 That being said. Woman declared dead for eight minutes says 1829 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:04.600 that she discovered that death is an illusion says for 1830 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:06.600 as long as humans have been able to think about 1831 01:40:06.640 --> 01:40:09.800 their own existence, we've wondered about the moments, About the 1832 01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:13.239 moment that it ends. What happens when the last heartbeat fades? 1833 01:40:13.279 --> 01:40:16.359 Do we simply vanished into nothingness? Or is there something 1834 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:19.800 somewhere waiting on the other side. Throughout history, countless people 1835 01:40:19.880 --> 01:40:22.399 have claimed to catch a glimpse of what comes next 1836 01:40:22.479 --> 01:40:25.399 In quotes, Some call it the afterlife, others believe that 1837 01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:28.119 it's a different dimension, and skeptics argue that it's just 1838 01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:31.319 the brain's final electrical fireworks before the lights go out. 1839 01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:34.199 But every so often a story comes along that refuses 1840 01:40:34.359 --> 01:40:37.720 to fit neatly into any explanation. This is one of 1841 01:40:37.760 --> 01:40:40.960 those stories, the account of Brianna Lafferty, a thirty three 1842 01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:45.800 year old woman from Colorado who, for eight measured minutes, 1843 01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:48.840 was clinically dead, yet she swears that she was more 1844 01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:53.359 alive than ever. So who is Brandon Lafferty? Brianna is 1845 01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:56.319 no stranger to living with physical challenges. She was diagnosed 1846 01:40:56.399 --> 01:41:03.159 years ago with myoclonist, a rare neurobiological disorder that causes 1847 01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:09.399 her muscles to contract suddenly and uncontrollably. Fuck that, imagine 1848 01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:13.920 trying to write, walk, or even stand while your own 1849 01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:18.119 body decides to move without permission. The condition is disruptive, 1850 01:41:18.359 --> 01:41:20.439 but it was something that she had learned to manage, 1851 01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:23.359 that is, until her body suddenly gave out. One day, 1852 01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:26.560 her heart stopped beating. Medical staff worked frantically, but there 1853 01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:29.319 was no pulse, no breath, and no measurable brain activity. 1854 01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:34.000 For eight minutes every standard, by every standard in modern medicine. 1855 01:41:34.039 --> 01:41:37.039 She was gone. Yet Brianna says that she didn't go 1856 01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:40.159 anywhere in the way that we imagine. In fact, she 1857 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:43.479 says that she never lost awareness, not even for a second, 1858 01:41:44.199 --> 01:41:49.239 so the moment of departure. Brianna describes the sensation of 1859 01:41:49.319 --> 01:41:53.680 leaving her body as unexpectedly calm. She wasn't, in quotes, 1860 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:57.920 pulled or pulled out or forced away. It felt more 1861 01:41:58.159 --> 01:42:00.880 like gently stepping out of a heavy coat that she 1862 01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:03.840 didn't know that she had been wearing. From above, she 1863 01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:07.520 could see what was happening below, but she wasn't particularly 1864 01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:10.359 interested in her lifeless form or the panic of the room. 1865 01:42:10.600 --> 01:42:14.000 Her attention shifted almost immediately towards something else, a pull 1866 01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:18.079 into what she calls a space without time. In this place, 1867 01:42:18.119 --> 01:42:20.840 there were no seconds, minutes, or hours. Yet she was 1868 01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:24.039 fully conscious. She says that she felt more herself than 1869 01:42:24.079 --> 01:42:26.840 she had ever felt while alive, as if the version 1870 01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:30.760 of Brianna. She as if the version of Brianna she 1871 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:33.800 had known on Earth was just a smaller fragment of 1872 01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:38.239 a much larger being. Oh fuck, yeah, dude, Wow. There 1873 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:40.880 was no pain, no fear, no sense of needing to breathe, 1874 01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:44.239 just a steady, comforting awareness, says. One of the most 1875 01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:47.000 fascinating parts of Brianna's story is how the environment seemed 1876 01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:49.680 to respond to her thoughts. At first, she noticed that 1877 01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:53.880 whatever she focused on began to form around her, but slowly, 1878 01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:57.760 as the universe there took its time answering her. If 1879 01:42:57.800 --> 01:43:01.119 a negative thought emerged, she had space to shift it 1880 01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:05.039 into something positive before it fully materialized. She found herself 1881 01:43:05.079 --> 01:43:09.000 deliberately choosing peaceful, loving images, knowing that they would eventually 1882 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:11.800 shape her surroundings. To her, this felt like proof that 1883 01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:15.640 even beyond the boundaries of life, the mind or consciousness 1884 01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:23.000 has creative power. Dude, that's fucking awesome. Yeah right, so, 1885 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:26.680 says eight minutes or eight months, says Back on Earth, 1886 01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:29.680 the clock recorded her absence at exactly eight minutes, But 1887 01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:32.920 in that other space, Brianna felt like it like months 1888 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:36.800 had passed. She had time to explore, reflect, and even 1889 01:43:36.840 --> 01:43:41.079 interact with what she calls familiar presences. She doesn't claim 1890 01:43:41.079 --> 01:43:43.079 that these presences were human in the way that we 1891 01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:47.239 understand humanity. They seem to be beings of awareness, not flesh, 1892 01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:52.880 radiating a sense of unconditional acceptance. As someone within this 1893 01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:56.479 vast stillness. She says that she sends a greater presence, 1894 01:43:56.640 --> 01:44:00.399 something wise, loving and infinitely patient. There was no quote 1895 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:05.760 unquote voice, yet its guidance was unmistakable, so it says 1896 01:44:05.800 --> 01:44:10.399 among the Stranger Stranger revelations, Brianna brought back with UH 1897 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:14.479 with her conviction that the universe is fundamentally made of numbers, 1898 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:18.520 not just in the way mathematicians use equations to describe physics, 1899 01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:23.039 but as if reality itself is constructed from numerical patterns, 1900 01:44:23.079 --> 01:44:26.640 a kind of cosmic code. This isn't an entirely new concept. 1901 01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:30.239 Ancient Greek philosopher Pythagorasts believe numbers formed the building blocks 1902 01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:36.279 of everything. Modern physicists sometimes speak about the mathematical universe hypothesis, 1903 01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:39.039 which suggests that the physical world is at its core 1904 01:44:39.119 --> 01:44:43.319 a mathematical structure. Brianna didn't arrive at this idea through study. 1905 01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:46.000 She says that she simply knew it while she was there. 1906 01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:49.000 WHOA so coming, I. 1907 01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:52.840 Mean a mathematical structure? Do we Do you think they 1908 01:44:52.960 --> 01:44:55.840 mean like the Matrix movie it's all ones and zeros, 1909 01:44:55.920 --> 01:44:58.520 or do you think they mean more like uh, you know, 1910 01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:04.279 chemically speaking, a atomic numbers and atomic masses and specific 1911 01:45:04.319 --> 01:45:06.640 gravities and these types of numbers. What do you think 1912 01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:07.119 she means? 1913 01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:12.439 Yes, okay, it could just be all of it. I 1914 01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:16.520 don't know sure, I guess, but anyhow, it says, coming 1915 01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:19.600 back wasn't graceful. Brando awoke to a damaged body. She 1916 01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:22.880 had to relearn how to walk and speak. Her pituitary 1917 01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:26.359 gland and important hormone regulator had been harmed, leading to 1918 01:45:26.439 --> 01:45:30.359 health complications that required experimental brain surgery. She admits that 1919 01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:32.880 she is afraid of going through another near death event, 1920 01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:36.359 but she's also grateful, grateful for the perspective that it 1921 01:45:36.399 --> 01:45:39.800 gave her. Today, she describes her purpose, her purpose as 1922 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:42.880 living deliberately, even if she doesn't have a step by 1923 01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:45.560 step mission plan. She is less afraid of death, more 1924 01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:48.439 appreciative of life, and more aware of how her thoughts 1925 01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:52.520 shape her experience. So it says, while Brianna's story is 1926 01:45:52.560 --> 01:45:55.640 deeply personal, scientists have long tried to explain near death 1927 01:45:55.640 --> 01:46:00.960 experiences in purely biological terms. Some neurologists suggest are caused 1928 01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:04.000 by the anoxia, which is the lack of the oxygen 1929 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:06.880 of the brain. Others point to a flood of neurotransmitters 1930 01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:10.760 like endorphins and dopamine, which could create sensations of euphoria 1931 01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:14.640 and visions of light. Researchers have also studied the right 1932 01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:20.600 tempo temporo parietal cortex, an area of the brain responsible 1933 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:23.520 for processing information about the body in space. When this 1934 01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:28.359 region malfunctions, whether through trauma, seizure or oxygen deprivation, it 1935 01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:30.760 can produce the feeling of floating outside the body or 1936 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:34.279 moving through a tunnel. From this perspective, NDEs aren't windows 1937 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:37.039 into another world, but the brain's final protective illusions. 1938 01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:41.159 I understand the scientific perspective of saying, like, you know, 1939 01:46:41.399 --> 01:46:44.760 and that's that's true. Lack of oxygen to the brain 1940 01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:50.640 will cause hallucinations. That's that's not a disputable fact. Saying 1941 01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:52.640 that it's your brain firing off the last bit of 1942 01:46:52.720 --> 01:46:56.600 chemicals before it goes dark. I understand that too, you know, 1943 01:46:56.840 --> 01:47:00.239 one hundred percent. I'm not saying that I think that 1944 01:47:00.319 --> 01:47:04.239 every single NDE that is clearly what's happening here. But 1945 01:47:04.319 --> 01:47:07.920 at least I can understand the academic approach to them 1946 01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:09.920 if that is the route they're trying to. 1947 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:13.199 Go right right, And I will say that science is 1948 01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:17.079 usually good at one thing, and that is to figure 1949 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:22.359 out why a thing does what it does or not 1950 01:47:22.359 --> 01:47:25.960 not how a thing does what it does right. But 1951 01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:29.039 it never under it never explains why a thing does 1952 01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:31.640 what it does right. It's it's always just like how 1953 01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:34.359 does it do it? You know? And I think that 1954 01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:38.199 I think that you know, you're you're not going to 1955 01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:42.439 get a how understanding of a near death experience. 1956 01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:44.239 I don't think so. 1957 01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:47.560 I mean that in order in order to understand it, 1958 01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:50.199 you would have to accept that we have a soul 1959 01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:52.359 or a consciousness or a spirit or whatever you want 1960 01:47:52.359 --> 01:47:52.840 to call that. 1961 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:58.079 But see as the thing. Most scientists, and most into 1962 01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:02.399 varying degrees of quote unquote science, where it's theoretical physics, 1963 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:07.000 whether it's astro theology or whatever. Most of them are, 1964 01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:12.439 for lack of better words, let's say religious. However, they 1965 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:16.199 use science as the means to explain the how, and 1966 01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:19.359 they use their religion to explain the why. Sometimes the 1967 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:23.600 two converge, sometimes they don't. But typically science, like we said, 1968 01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:27.760 it's the study of how this works and maybe why 1969 01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:32.000 does this work? But that's kind of a rarity, you know, 1970 01:48:32.239 --> 01:48:34.880 unless it's something that you can track and that's like, 1971 01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:38.840 you see, this happened A plus B equaled C, and 1972 01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:41.560 here's how we track that. So now we know this happened, 1973 01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:43.800 and this happened. This is how we got to hear 1974 01:48:43.880 --> 01:48:47.880 this is why this happened. But big picture why it's 1975 01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:51.680 very rarely does that come into the conversation. Yeah. 1976 01:48:51.800 --> 01:48:54.239 Yeah, and so I don't even think they're really that 1977 01:48:54.359 --> 01:48:56.079 concerned with it, to be honest with you. 1978 01:48:56.720 --> 01:49:00.000 Not typically unless it, like you know, adds into their 1979 01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:02.039 field of study in some way, shape or form, which 1980 01:49:02.119 --> 01:49:05.680 rarely it does. But yeah, it's I understand why the 1981 01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:08.520 scientists are looking at it from their analytical point of view, 1982 01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:12.760 and they're trying to find the real world justification as 1983 01:49:12.800 --> 01:49:15.039 to why the brain is doing these wild things. I 1984 01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:18.600 at least I can understand that. But again, some of these, 1985 01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:21.199 especially if you go in any of the good cult members, 1986 01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:24.479 if you go and look at the list of indies, 1987 01:49:25.039 --> 01:49:28.119 some of them can easily be chalked up to you, Well, yeah, 1988 01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:30.880 the brain was, you know, lack of oxygen started the 1989 01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:34.079 hallucination process. The brain started firing off the last of 1990 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:36.840 its chemicals. That's totally why they had a trippy thing happen, 1991 01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:39.239 and then they woke up and they snapped back. That 1992 01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:44.039 totally makes sense. Some of them don't line up at all. 1993 01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:46.760 Well, And the thing is, the thing is, like, all right, 1994 01:49:46.920 --> 01:49:49.680 just because you can explain what chemicals and what may 1995 01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:52.560 be going on in the brain, that you may be 1996 01:49:52.680 --> 01:49:56.079 able to determine how it happened, you might be able 1997 01:49:56.079 --> 01:49:58.960 to determine how it happened. But that does not, in 1998 01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:03.359 my opinion, that does not eliminate the why at all. 1999 01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.439 You know, like, for example, if somebody, if you were 2000 01:50:06.439 --> 01:50:10.399 to tell a fucking doctor or a neuroscientist or whatever 2001 01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:14.920 about your demon and angel story, you know, they would 2002 01:50:14.960 --> 01:50:16.800 try and figure out, well, what was going on in 2003 01:50:16.840 --> 01:50:19.640 your brain? You know, what was firing, what was not firing. 2004 01:50:19.720 --> 01:50:21.640 Were you in some kind of state of mind and 2005 01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:24.720 that's what allowed it to happen? Now, does that dismiss 2006 01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:27.279 that you actually had that experience or does it just 2007 01:50:27.479 --> 01:50:29.640 show you what was going on in your brain and 2008 01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:31.319 in your body at that time of that occurrence? 2009 01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:35.319 Right right? You know, I mean that's it's not exactly indeed, 2010 01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:38.439 but I like more than one thing could be happening 2011 01:50:38.479 --> 01:50:38.760 at once. 2012 01:50:38.840 --> 01:50:39.560 That's just my point. 2013 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:43.920 Yeah, dot dot duh. 2014 01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:48.159 All right, So it says, uh. Still, what makes NDEs 2015 01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:51.319 intriguing is how consistent they are. They are across different 2016 01:50:51.359 --> 01:50:55.079 cultures and time periods. Ancient Egyptian texts describe journeys into 2017 01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:59.239 the other realms after death. Tibetan Buddhism teaches about the 2018 01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:03.079 quote unquote bardo, which is a transitional state between death 2019 01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:08.119 and rebirth. In some indigenous traditions, people speak of traveling 2020 01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:11.720 across a bridge or river to meet ancestors. While the 2021 01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:16.479 imagery varies, the themes light piece, familiar presences show up 2022 01:51:16.520 --> 01:51:21.039 again and again. Even among modern survivors, similarities emerge, which 2023 01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:23.600 is a feeling of leaving the body, a perception of 2024 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:27.399 moving through darkness toward light, encounters with guiding beings, a 2025 01:51:27.479 --> 01:51:31.800 review of one's life, or a decision or command to return. 2026 01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:36.560 Brianna's account fits fits neatly with these within these patterns, 2027 01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:39.680 yet it has its own unique twists, like the concept 2028 01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:41.479 of the universe being made of numbers. 2029 01:51:42.119 --> 01:51:44.720 I see the quote from her saying we are binary code, 2030 01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:47.159 So I guess that answers the question. She didn't mean 2031 01:51:47.239 --> 01:51:50.000 like atomic numbers. She meant ones and zero. She meant 2032 01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:50.600 the matrix. 2033 01:51:50.880 --> 01:51:54.600 Yeah, yeah, they say it's a documentary, you know, man, 2034 01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:59.000 I mean maybe not fully, you know, but midways. 2035 01:51:58.560 --> 01:51:59.520 How do we know? 2036 01:51:59.800 --> 01:51:59.960 How? 2037 01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:00.479 How do we know? 2038 01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:03.279 No way to prove it right? Or is there? 2039 01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:05.640 Or is there? So? 2040 01:52:05.920 --> 01:52:08.760 What was Brianna's experience? Was it a true journey beyond 2041 01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:13.439 death's edge or the brain's intricate farewell performance? Science can't say, 2042 01:52:14.359 --> 01:52:16.840 can't yet say for sure. What's clear is that the 2043 01:52:16.920 --> 01:52:21.840 experience experiences like hers, whether interpreted spiritually or neurologically, can 2044 01:52:21.920 --> 01:52:25.359 leave lasting changes. People often return with less fear of death, 2045 01:52:25.439 --> 01:52:28.960 greater compassion, and a renewed sense of purpose. For Brianna, 2046 01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:32.439 the message is simple but powerful. Death isn't an ending, 2047 01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:34.520 It's a change of address. 2048 01:52:35.880 --> 01:52:38.479 Okay, I mean I don't disagree with that. 2049 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:41.399 What a fucking quote. That was awesome. So it says 2050 01:52:41.399 --> 01:52:43.439 whether or not you believe her, the thought has a 2051 01:52:43.439 --> 01:52:46.760 certain comfort after all death. If death really is just 2052 01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:49.920 an illusion, maybe the final chapter of life is not 2053 01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:51.560 the end of the story, just the start of a 2054 01:52:51.680 --> 01:52:55.520 very different one. I full, I mean, how could you 2055 01:52:55.560 --> 01:52:57.000 even disagree with that? You know? 2056 01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:00.720 I personally I do agree with what she says. I 2057 01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:03.359 think we may be coming from different places, but I 2058 01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:05.640 don't find any fallacies of what you just said. 2059 01:53:06.720 --> 01:53:08.840 I mean they say that space is the final frontier. 2060 01:53:08.840 --> 01:53:10.159 I would imagine that death. 2061 01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:16.520 Is technically speaking the final frontier. Yeah, you know, it's 2062 01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:18.039 the last place you're going to explore. 2063 01:53:18.279 --> 01:53:21.319 So I get you, as your physical body, that's the 2064 01:53:21.359 --> 01:53:25.520 last place your physical frontier is ever going to, you know, trek. 2065 01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:28.960 But see, that's the thing your physical body stays are. 2066 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:30.880 Your physical body doesn't explore death. 2067 01:53:32.199 --> 01:53:37.720 Good point, Yeah, good point. All right, we'll go on 2068 01:53:37.720 --> 01:53:44.199 that one next these I let me see. I mean, 2069 01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:46.000 we can go on and on, bro. I mean, it's 2070 01:53:46.079 --> 01:53:47.920 entirely up to you. You want to keep on hearing stories, 2071 01:53:47.920 --> 01:53:49.199 because I got a shitload of them. 2072 01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:50.399 I'm down. 2073 01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:53.279 All right, let's get weird then, because this website was 2074 01:53:53.319 --> 01:53:54.800 fucking awesome and I was hoping that we were going 2075 01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:58.319 to get to it. This is from guideposts dot org. 2076 01:53:58.640 --> 01:54:01.800 It says five incredible stories some near death experiences. These 2077 01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:05.479 inspiring firsthand accounts of heaven shed light on the peace, glory, 2078 01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:08.439 and love that awaits us in the afterlife. Says what 2079 01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:11.640 awaits us after life on Earth? Is heaven real? Can 2080 01:54:11.680 --> 01:54:16.600 near death experiences experience stories give us the answer? Those 2081 01:54:16.600 --> 01:54:19.079 who have had near death experiences say that heaven is 2082 01:54:19.199 --> 01:54:23.319 unequivocally real, and it is, and it is full of 2083 01:54:23.479 --> 01:54:28.479 unimaginable wonder. Below our accounts of Heaven are accounts of 2084 01:54:28.479 --> 01:54:30.760 Heaven from people who have been there and back. These 2085 01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:33.600 indies stories shed light on the incredible peace, glory, and 2086 01:54:33.640 --> 01:54:35.640 love that we can look forward to in the afterlife. 2087 01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:40.600 So here are five of the incredible stories. It says 2088 01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:44.680 Don Piper's Heavenly Experience. And these go into a lot 2089 01:54:44.720 --> 01:54:46.800 more in detail. So obviously we're not going to read 2090 01:54:46.840 --> 01:54:48.720 all of the stories, but I'm gonna read, you know, 2091 01:54:48.840 --> 01:54:52.199 the the basically wrap up of the story, and you 2092 01:54:52.359 --> 01:54:56.840 tell me if you find one more interesting than another. Right, So, 2093 01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:00.000 Don Piper's Heavenly Experienced, It says Don Piper a minute 2094 01:55:00.399 --> 01:55:03.079 was driving home to Alvin, Texas from a convention when 2095 01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:05.560 he got into a terrible head on collision with an 2096 01:55:05.600 --> 01:55:08.640 eighteen wheeler. First Responders at the scene couldn't find a 2097 01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:11.600 pulse and he was declared dead. But upon impact, Don 2098 01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:15.279 had been transported somewhere else. He'd been driving one minute 2099 01:55:15.319 --> 01:55:17.920 and the next he was standing in heaven. Joy pulsed 2100 01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:20.079 through him as he became aware of a large group 2101 01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:22.199 of his loved ones who had passed on before him. 2102 01:55:22.399 --> 01:55:25.479 Standing in front of an ornate gait, he walked towards 2103 01:55:25.560 --> 01:55:27.960 the gate. He had no idea what laid ahead, but 2104 01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:31.039 he felt that with each step, Heaven would grow more wondrous. 2105 01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:34.680 Now, I know there's going to be some people say, well, 2106 01:55:34.720 --> 01:55:37.760 of course, I'm pastor is going to see heaven and 2107 01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:39.960 that makes sense. Well, like, yeah, it does make sense, 2108 01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:43.359 though it does I mean not even from a judgment point. 2109 01:55:43.399 --> 01:55:45.159 I'm just saying that that's what he believed, so it 2110 01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:49.000 would be you know, I would say statistically most likely 2111 01:55:49.039 --> 01:55:50.800 that that would be what he would experience if it 2112 01:55:50.840 --> 01:55:53.520 all is just you know, in your head. Now, that's 2113 01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:56.439 another thing I'm curious about of the NDE experiences. And 2114 01:55:56.479 --> 01:55:59.880 I don't know if anybody's actually sat down and quantified 2115 01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:02.279 the numbers on this are like ran the numbers. But 2116 01:56:03.039 --> 01:56:05.640 how many of these people saw something that they believed 2117 01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:08.119 in any way? And how many of these people saw 2118 01:56:08.159 --> 01:56:11.479 something that they didn't necessarily believe in beforehand, but now 2119 01:56:11.479 --> 01:56:14.199 they do? And to whatever degree. You know, if you, 2120 01:56:14.640 --> 01:56:17.199 let's say, were born and raised a Southern Baptist, you 2121 01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:19.920 died and you saw Vishnu. Like you know what I'm saying, 2122 01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:23.239 How many of these people saw something that is absolutely 2123 01:56:23.319 --> 01:56:25.880 outside of the realm of what they thought was reality 2124 01:56:26.079 --> 01:56:27.840 and now they believe that's the truth. 2125 01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:30.199 Like, I don't know, I mean, it's really wide ranging. 2126 01:56:30.359 --> 01:56:34.640 Some people get, you know, their experiences confirm their beliefs. 2127 01:56:35.079 --> 01:56:38.560 Some people have experiences that make them want to move 2128 01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:42.239 away from their beliefs. You know. It's not necessarily like 2129 01:56:42.960 --> 01:56:45.840 you know, hammered down, you know, as far as the 2130 01:56:46.239 --> 01:56:49.319 numbers go from what I can tell, because it's varying 2131 01:56:49.359 --> 01:56:53.600 stories both ways. Some people feel like absolutely I approven 2132 01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:56.479 that God exists and Heaven exists and da da da 2133 01:56:56.520 --> 01:56:59.880 da dah, you know, and in many other ways. So yeah, 2134 01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:02.800 so that was your boy, Don Piper, the pastor or 2135 01:57:02.880 --> 01:57:07.399 minister rather. The next one is Bubba Bay's miraculous encounter. 2136 01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:10.760 While on a walk one night, Jim Bubba Bay slipped 2137 01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:14.520 and fell fourteen feet into a concrete culvert. His skull 2138 01:57:14.640 --> 01:57:17.159 was oh fuck me. His skull was cracked, and his 2139 01:57:17.199 --> 01:57:20.840 shoulder and his shoulder blade, eleven ribs, and ten vertebrae 2140 01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:25.000 were broken. He was in absolutely excruciating pain until a 2141 01:57:25.039 --> 01:57:29.319 blinding sight appeared, illuminating his surroundings and washing away his suffering. 2142 01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:31.520 From the light walked a man with a kind of 2143 01:57:31.520 --> 01:57:34.520 weathered face and a long beard. He held in his arms. 2144 01:57:34.600 --> 01:57:41.039 Two children. That's a fucking cliffhanger right there, and we're 2145 01:57:41.039 --> 01:57:42.760 gonna read through all of them, and then you tell 2146 01:57:42.760 --> 01:57:44.680 me which one you want to go back and reading. 2147 01:57:45.960 --> 01:57:50.439 Then there's Lori Lambert's conversation with Angels. So A Navy technician, 2148 01:57:50.520 --> 01:57:53.680 Lorie Lambert was on a team building experience kayaking through 2149 01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:57.000 rapids when she capsized and was flung into the freezing river. 2150 01:57:57.319 --> 01:58:00.960 She gasped, gasped, and her lung lungs filled with water. 2151 01:58:01.239 --> 01:58:03.560 She was being pushed down and couldn't get to the surface. 2152 01:58:03.720 --> 01:58:06.520 She was drowning. Oh God, please help me, she thought. 2153 01:58:07.319 --> 01:58:10.239 Then she was zooming through a tunnel of pure white. 2154 01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:13.880 She came out on the other side in an otherworldly room. 2155 01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:18.000 Three beings stood before her, made of giant, shimmering crystal. 2156 01:58:18.319 --> 01:58:22.079 They radiated pure love. Laurie's fears subsided, and she felt 2157 01:58:22.079 --> 01:58:25.159 calm and comforted in their presence. The middle being said, 2158 01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:27.439 before you go back, we are going to show you 2159 01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:30.239 some things, and opened a book of moving images. 2160 01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:32.239 Interesting. 2161 01:58:35.359 --> 01:58:39.119 Then there's Mike Olston. He said, who Mike Olsen thanked 2162 01:58:39.159 --> 01:58:43.800 in heaven? So, during a double lung transplant, Mike olsen 2163 01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:48.279 surgeon released a clamp too soon, causing him to bleed out. 2164 01:58:48.520 --> 01:58:51.319 He recounts him. He recounts being aware that he was 2165 01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:54.760 on the operating table with medical personnel scrambling to save him, 2166 01:58:54.800 --> 01:58:57.800 and then being transported in a sudden burst of energy 2167 01:58:57.840 --> 01:59:00.680 to a place of blinding white light that's surrounded him 2168 01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:04.960 and stretched on endlessly. It filled him with peace and joy. 2169 01:59:05.159 --> 01:59:08.000 Then he saw a figure walking towards him. It was Jesus, 2170 01:59:08.239 --> 01:59:12.479 and alongside him someone else done Dune done. 2171 01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:16.199 Okay, that's a good one. 2172 01:59:16.319 --> 01:59:21.079 The next one is Yvonne Nocta gal her comfort on 2173 01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:23.880 the wings of an angel. So, during a surgery to 2174 01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:26.880 remove a brain tumor, Yvonne left her body and found 2175 01:59:26.880 --> 01:59:30.439 herself in another realm. She was surrounded by warm, beautiful colors. 2176 01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:33.560 While taking everything in, she realized that she had died 2177 01:59:33.720 --> 01:59:37.119 and was in the spiritual realm. She wasn't upset or afraid. 2178 01:59:37.239 --> 01:59:40.199 She was comforted by the feeling of being held by 2179 01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:43.680 an enormous wing, the wing of an angel. She felt 2180 01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:46.840 utterly surrounded by love. There we go. 2181 01:59:47.600 --> 01:59:51.479 Okay, all right, well, I mean, do any of those 2182 01:59:51.520 --> 01:59:52.520 really tickle your fancy? 2183 01:59:52.520 --> 01:59:54.399 I got a bunch more if none of those really did. 2184 01:59:54.239 --> 01:59:57.199 It for her? I mean they all seemed solid, but 2185 01:59:57.560 --> 02:00:00.520 nothing really stood out to me as like more incredible 2186 02:00:00.600 --> 02:00:04.279 than the other. Honestly, very well, but well where Jesus 2187 02:00:04.279 --> 02:00:07.680 and someone else walked up? I mean, my normal human 2188 02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:11.439 curiosity is begging to know who is the other. 2189 02:00:11.319 --> 02:00:13.760 Person, but say less than let's do that one? Which 2190 02:00:13.760 --> 02:00:14.159 one was that? 2191 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:15.800 Uh? 2192 02:00:16.880 --> 02:00:18.239 Yeah, Mike Olsen, Here we go? 2193 02:00:19.399 --> 02:00:21.640 And the only reason why is because that fucking book, 2194 02:00:21.960 --> 02:00:26.079 The Five People You Meet in Heaven? Yeah, yeah, you. 2195 02:00:27.399 --> 02:00:29.840 Man, it was a video, but the video is not there. 2196 02:00:31.439 --> 02:00:37.079 Let's see what this says, blinding white Light. Oh that 2197 02:00:37.119 --> 02:00:39.039 this is the story. I think it's written out. 2198 02:00:39.279 --> 02:00:41.039 Okay, maybe. 2199 02:00:44.199 --> 02:00:46.159 I don't think that's the same story though. What was 2200 02:00:46.199 --> 02:00:47.479 his name, Mike Olsen? 2201 02:00:48.319 --> 02:00:50.279 No, MI. 2202 02:00:52.640 --> 02:00:54.600 Don't know. This is some guy named Buddy. I don't 2203 02:00:54.600 --> 02:00:55.640 know why it'd sent us there. 2204 02:00:55.920 --> 02:00:59.520 Okay, either way, it says, just as the rattlesnakes slashed 2205 02:00:59.560 --> 02:01:02.520 out in him and divine light appeared, angelic bright light 2206 02:01:02.640 --> 02:01:03.640 protected him from. 2207 02:01:03.600 --> 02:01:08.479 Danger, it's not Jesus though. It's not the one we wanted, right, well, okay, 2208 02:01:08.680 --> 02:01:11.119 I mean I guess we I thought we were gonna 2209 02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:12.680 be able to get to some of those, but I 2210 02:01:12.720 --> 02:01:18.760 guess not. Oh wait, uh, you know, read and watch. Yeah, 2211 02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:21.000 some of these you can read and watch. Some of 2212 02:01:21.000 --> 02:01:24.119 them are you can only watch. Of course, you pick 2213 02:01:24.159 --> 02:01:25.960 the one where that's the only one where you have 2214 02:01:26.000 --> 02:01:28.960 to watch. Anyway, there's plenty of other stories. We'll get 2215 02:01:28.960 --> 02:01:32.640 to them. This is an interesting one, and we're not 2216 02:01:32.640 --> 02:01:34.720 gonna read this whole thing, but some of it, oh 2217 02:01:34.760 --> 02:01:38.920 it's blurred out anyway. Okay, of course you know some 2218 02:01:39.000 --> 02:01:41.399 of this shit. It's like it gives you access to 2219 02:01:41.439 --> 02:01:43.359 it on your phone, but then you go and upload 2220 02:01:43.359 --> 02:01:44.920 it to the computer and it's like you have to 2221 02:01:44.920 --> 02:01:46.359 pay for this. I'm like, why didn't I have to 2222 02:01:46.399 --> 02:01:47.239 pay for it on my phone? 2223 02:01:47.880 --> 02:01:48.239 Right? 2224 02:01:48.439 --> 02:01:51.800 You know? So weird. There's an interesting one right here. 2225 02:01:51.920 --> 02:01:54.920 This is one of the more documented ones. This is 2226 02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:59.439 from Betty Edieu. She was an older gal born in 2227 02:01:59.479 --> 02:02:04.199 nineteen It says she's an American author of several books 2228 02:02:04.199 --> 02:02:07.199 on near death experiences. Her best known book is called 2229 02:02:07.319 --> 02:02:10.720 Embraced by the Light in nineteen ninety two describing her NDE. 2230 02:02:11.239 --> 02:02:14.039 It was followed by the other books that she kept 2231 02:02:14.079 --> 02:02:18.039 on going on with. Let's get to her ENDE account. 2232 02:02:18.479 --> 02:02:23.680 So in her near death experience, Edie reports many phenomena 2233 02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:26.840 similar to other NDIE accounts, such as going through a 2234 02:02:26.920 --> 02:02:30.079 dark tunnel, seeing a bright light, and experiencing a life review, 2235 02:02:30.079 --> 02:02:32.560 as well as other features unique to her story. In 2236 02:02:32.680 --> 02:02:35.760 nineteen seventy three, at age of thirty one, Edie was 2237 02:02:35.800 --> 02:02:39.239 recovering from a surgical operation. Edie reported that she first 2238 02:02:39.239 --> 02:02:43.479 felt first felt herself fading into lifelessness, then felt a 2239 02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:46.199 surge of energy, followed by a pop and a feeling 2240 02:02:46.199 --> 02:02:49.520 of release, a sense of freedom and movement unhindered by 2241 02:02:49.560 --> 02:02:53.359 inertia or gravity. She was met by three angelic beings 2242 02:02:53.399 --> 02:02:56.399 who spoke with her about her prior existence and hitherto 2243 02:02:56.520 --> 02:03:01.560 suppressed memories in order to participate in earthly experience. Dude, 2244 02:03:02.960 --> 02:03:06.680 that's crazy, right, She had to lose her memories in 2245 02:03:06.760 --> 02:03:09.520 order to participate in the earthly experience. That's fucking awesome. 2246 02:03:09.680 --> 02:03:10.760 That's kind of what I expect. 2247 02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:13.119 Actually, that's fucking wild. 2248 02:03:13.680 --> 02:03:17.199 So she traveled to terrestrial locations such as her home 2249 02:03:17.880 --> 02:03:22.159 merely by thinking about them, returned to her hospital and 2250 02:03:22.199 --> 02:03:25.159 then passed on through a dark tunnel like medium in 2251 02:03:25.239 --> 02:03:29.199 which she reported sensing other beings in a transitory preparatory stage. 2252 02:03:29.680 --> 02:03:32.600 Exiting the tunnel, Edie approached an intense white light and 2253 02:03:32.680 --> 02:03:36.960 met in heaven the embrace of Jesus Christ. There you go, 2254 02:03:37.039 --> 02:03:40.960 there's a Jesus story for you, okay. During this encounter, 2255 02:03:41.039 --> 02:03:43.359 she reported a strong sense of love and a high 2256 02:03:43.760 --> 02:03:47.399 and a high, high speed transfer of answers to her 2257 02:03:47.439 --> 02:03:53.039 many questions, Oh shit, that almost sounds like my mushroom 2258 02:03:53.079 --> 02:03:58.680 experience a little bit. Possessing a corporeal identity of an 2259 02:03:58.720 --> 02:04:02.239 ethereal kind, she visited in numerous places persons and phenomena 2260 02:04:02.319 --> 02:04:05.520 such as natural settings and gardens. Beyond the character of 2261 02:04:05.760 --> 02:04:08.720 the conventionally material. It was taken on a tour of 2262 02:04:08.720 --> 02:04:11.680 sorts of learning experiences that she had felt equivalent to 2263 02:04:11.840 --> 02:04:15.920 weeks or months, so it felt like it lasted a 2264 02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:20.119 long time, but it didn't. In addition to her to 2265 02:04:20.279 --> 02:04:24.680 discussing traditional Christian subjects such as prayer, creation, and the 2266 02:04:24.680 --> 02:04:29.479 Garden of Eden, Edie reported visiting a library of the mind. 2267 02:04:30.079 --> 02:04:32.000 Sometimes people call that the Acoshic. 2268 02:04:31.640 --> 02:04:34.039 Records is that what she means? 2269 02:04:34.279 --> 02:04:38.319 Maybe it says here. It became possible to know anything 2270 02:04:38.520 --> 02:04:42.000 or anyone in history or the present in minute and 2271 02:04:42.439 --> 02:04:47.720 unambiguous detail or in minute and unambiguous detail, as well 2272 02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:51.560 as being able to observe individuals on Earth and being 2273 02:04:51.640 --> 02:04:55.359 taken to distant reaches and civilizations of the universe. Warned 2274 02:04:55.880 --> 02:05:00.680 initially upon arrival that she had died prematurely, so she 2275 02:05:00.760 --> 02:05:04.039 was warned about it, Edie was told that she must 2276 02:05:04.079 --> 02:05:07.840 return in order to fulfill the personal mission allocated tour. 2277 02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:13.039 Its specific character, like numerous other details were removed from 2278 02:05:13.079 --> 02:05:16.840 her memory in order. She said that she was told 2279 02:05:16.920 --> 02:05:20.359 to prevent difficulties in her fulfilling it, so she knew 2280 02:05:20.479 --> 02:05:24.119 what her mission was, but that got erased from her 2281 02:05:24.159 --> 02:05:27.199 mind so that she so that she wouldn't have any 2282 02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:32.680 difficulties fulfilling it. Upon protesting, she was made to understand 2283 02:05:32.720 --> 02:05:35.159 the reason behind the necessity for her to return, and 2284 02:05:35.239 --> 02:05:38.960 reluctantly agreed to do so. She exacted a promise that 2285 02:05:39.720 --> 02:05:42.720 she would not be would not be made to stay 2286 02:05:42.720 --> 02:05:45.760 on Earth longer than necessary. She reported her return to 2287 02:05:45.840 --> 02:05:51.239 material corpore reality as extremely heavy feeling and unpleasant. Initially 2288 02:05:51.439 --> 02:05:55.520 intermittent in phases, and accompanied not long after by a 2289 02:05:55.600 --> 02:05:59.279 demonic visitation that was cut short by an angelic reappearance. 2290 02:06:00.399 --> 02:06:04.319 Doctor reportedly verified her clinical death on a return visit 2291 02:06:04.359 --> 02:06:07.399 to the hospital, attributing it to a hemorrhage during a 2292 02:06:07.479 --> 02:06:11.119 nurse's shift change, and took great interest in her recollections. 2293 02:06:11.359 --> 02:06:14.520 Independent verification of the length of her death was not possible, 2294 02:06:14.720 --> 02:06:16.880 but she speculated that it could have lasted up to 2295 02:06:16.920 --> 02:06:19.760 four hours based on her memory of certain details preceding 2296 02:06:19.840 --> 02:06:25.399 and following it. Yeah. 2297 02:06:25.680 --> 02:06:29.479 Why why when we say could have lasted four hours, 2298 02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:32.199 is that the number four or just could have lasted 2299 02:06:32.199 --> 02:06:32.720 for hours? 2300 02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:39.159 Uh four? Yeah, like the number four yep, four hours? Yep. Geez. 2301 02:06:39.359 --> 02:06:41.880 I mean, but how do you even quantify, Like we've said, 2302 02:06:41.920 --> 02:06:45.840 time works different? There it do? Right? 2303 02:06:46.199 --> 02:06:49.000 Well? I think that she was talking about the Yeah, 2304 02:06:49.159 --> 02:06:51.640 it says the independent verification of the length of her 2305 02:06:51.680 --> 02:06:54.000 death was not possible, but she speculated that it could 2306 02:06:54.000 --> 02:06:56.159 have lasted up to four hours based on her memory 2307 02:06:56.159 --> 02:06:58.039 of certain details preceding and following it. 2308 02:06:58.520 --> 02:07:00.199 So that's what I'm saying. Though, It's like that was 2309 02:07:00.239 --> 02:07:02.199 a feeling that it was four hours. Do we even 2310 02:07:02.359 --> 02:07:03.359 know that for a fact. 2311 02:07:03.720 --> 02:07:06.159 No, that's what I'm saying. It wasn't possible. I guess 2312 02:07:06.199 --> 02:07:08.439 they didn't, you know, keep tracking. 2313 02:07:08.479 --> 02:07:11.880 A dream could last fuck, a dream could feel like 2314 02:07:11.920 --> 02:07:14.399 it lasts a week and it last thirty seconds. Yeah, 2315 02:07:14.399 --> 02:07:15.760 it's oh man, it's crazy. 2316 02:07:15.880 --> 02:07:18.560 Yeah. I mean, that's the problem with these kind of 2317 02:07:18.560 --> 02:07:21.359 things is that they're pretty damn fluid, you know what 2318 02:07:21.439 --> 02:07:24.399 I mean. Like it's hard to really grasp it, right, 2319 02:07:24.600 --> 02:07:28.439 so it says. Subsequent to her experience, she spoke of 2320 02:07:28.479 --> 02:07:31.680 it very little and suffered a long term depression. This 2321 02:07:31.960 --> 02:07:34.920 she attributed to the anti climactic nature of returning to 2322 02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:38.479 corpore reality or poor reality. That's a hard word to say. 2323 02:07:38.600 --> 02:07:42.520 After experiencing the heaven of afterlife, she slowly became involved 2324 02:07:42.520 --> 02:07:45.560 in near death groups and studies and gave talks. Subsequently, 2325 02:07:45.600 --> 02:07:47.720 going on to write her account in book form, which 2326 02:07:47.760 --> 02:07:51.279 she met with a runaway success. While her account incorporated 2327 02:07:51.319 --> 02:07:54.319 elements of traditional Christianity, it also met with a certain 2328 02:07:54.359 --> 02:07:57.199 degree of resistance as well. This was largely in part 2329 02:07:57.239 --> 02:08:00.359 to its teaching, as she reported that she was given 2330 02:08:00.399 --> 02:08:05.640 it that some denominations might approximate truths, might approximate truth 2331 02:08:05.760 --> 02:08:09.319 better than others. She explains, however, that different teachings were 2332 02:08:09.359 --> 02:08:12.520 more appropriate for certain individuals at their given age of 2333 02:08:12.560 --> 02:08:15.640 spiritual development, and therefore judgment should not be passed on 2334 02:08:16.520 --> 02:08:20.399 them from where they are, Unlike many fundamentalist Christians, and 2335 02:08:21.199 --> 02:08:25.960 despite her her own strict Catholic upbringing and a temporary 2336 02:08:26.039 --> 02:08:29.319 conversion to the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ through the 2337 02:08:29.439 --> 02:08:33.399 Church of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints Mormon. 2338 02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:35.439 She went from Catholic to Mormon. 2339 02:08:36.079 --> 02:08:37.520 Yeah, that's what it says. 2340 02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:40.760 That is not a transition you typically see people make. 2341 02:08:40.800 --> 02:08:43.960 But I yeah, and it says. And after her near 2342 02:08:44.000 --> 02:08:49.159 death experience, she refers to God as h E instead 2343 02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:52.560 of He, so little h E instead of big ag 2344 02:08:53.159 --> 02:08:56.439 and insists that all religions are necessary for each person. 2345 02:08:56.720 --> 02:08:59.319 She claims that each religion is necessary for each person 2346 02:08:59.359 --> 02:09:02.239 because of their different levels of spiritual enlightenment. This is 2347 02:09:02.279 --> 02:09:06.079 contrary to the views shared by many Christian denominations worldwide 2348 02:09:06.279 --> 02:09:09.720 the Christianity is the one true, valid religion. Many of 2349 02:09:09.760 --> 02:09:13.560 her statements also are ambiguous or conflict with mainstream doctrine 2350 02:09:13.640 --> 02:09:18.000 of the Trinity, and her website disavows the traditional condemnation 2351 02:09:18.159 --> 02:09:22.720 of homosexuality. Okay, that's not what we came for. I mean, yeah, 2352 02:09:22.800 --> 02:09:24.119 I disagree with that as well. 2353 02:09:24.159 --> 02:09:28.640 But you know, so she changed from God being the big, 2354 02:09:29.359 --> 02:09:33.039 big H to little Ah, basically saying that he is 2355 02:09:33.119 --> 02:09:37.720 one of many or yeah, maybe is that it's like 2356 02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:41.239 saying that God or little G God, little G God 2357 02:09:41.399 --> 02:09:45.920 is everything from Odin and Zeus and Poseidon to you know, 2358 02:09:46.079 --> 02:09:50.199 the Vishnu and Kristna and all these things. But the 2359 02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:53.319 big g God is supposed to be like the guy. 2360 02:09:54.079 --> 02:09:56.039 It's the same type of import there. 2361 02:09:56.560 --> 02:09:58.119 So I know what she meant by that, because she 2362 02:09:58.159 --> 02:10:00.159 was saying that she was like talking to angels and shit, and. 2363 02:10:01.640 --> 02:10:05.640 That's what I thought. But okay, so her experience basically 2364 02:10:05.720 --> 02:10:08.880 told her that, like everybody is experiencing their own thing 2365 02:10:08.960 --> 02:10:13.960 based off of what they know. Like all right, dumb, 2366 02:10:14.399 --> 02:10:15.680 but okay. 2367 02:10:16.119 --> 02:10:18.439 Yeah, I mean everybody. You need a lens to look 2368 02:10:18.479 --> 02:10:23.159 through some people, I mean most, I guess. Anyway, we'll 2369 02:10:23.199 --> 02:10:26.840 move on to the last story here. This is this, 2370 02:10:27.199 --> 02:10:29.319 you know, and I looked up, like, what were the 2371 02:10:29.359 --> 02:10:33.199 most profound nd EE stories, and so that one came up, 2372 02:10:33.239 --> 02:10:35.439 and this one also came up as far as like 2373 02:10:35.880 --> 02:10:38.119 not even just the most profound but the one of 2374 02:10:38.119 --> 02:10:41.800 the most talked about and documented stories because I wanted 2375 02:10:41.800 --> 02:10:43.439 to be able to like cause, you know, you go 2376 02:10:43.520 --> 02:10:47.920 on to nderf dot org, you'll find you know their 2377 02:10:47.960 --> 02:10:51.399 story in written form, and then enderf will ask them 2378 02:10:51.399 --> 02:10:54.279 a bunch of questions. And usually the story is not, 2379 02:10:54.760 --> 02:10:58.279 you know, documented until twenty or thirty years after, you know, 2380 02:10:58.680 --> 02:11:01.159 just yeah, people not knowing that the website exists, or 2381 02:11:01.199 --> 02:11:03.520 not wanting to talk about it or whatever. It Sometimes 2382 02:11:03.560 --> 02:11:05.279 it's deeply personal you don't want to talk about it. 2383 02:11:05.319 --> 02:11:11.760 I get it. But this is from Anita Morjani So. 2384 02:11:12.319 --> 02:11:15.800 She's an author of a New York Times bestseller called 2385 02:11:15.880 --> 02:11:21.359 Dying to Be Me. She uh after she was let's 2386 02:11:21.359 --> 02:11:24.439 see so after she was diagnosed with stage two A 2387 02:11:24.640 --> 02:11:28.720 Hodgkins lymphoma in two thousand and two and rejected conventional treatment. 2388 02:11:28.840 --> 02:11:31.159 Morjhanni was taken to a hospital in two thousand and six, 2389 02:11:31.159 --> 02:11:34.640 where she laid in a coma for thirty hours. This 2390 02:11:34.760 --> 02:11:36.960 might be the one. This might be the one that 2391 02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:42.199 we were talking about. Oh, I'm so happy. Okay, maybe 2392 02:11:42.239 --> 02:11:48.960 I'm not sure. So anyway, She's Indian from Singapore. Her 2393 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:51.279 family moved to Sri Lanka, and when she was two 2394 02:11:51.359 --> 02:11:54.159 years old, the family moved to Hong Kong, where she 2395 02:11:54.319 --> 02:11:57.680 and her older brother, Anup, grew up. Morjanni and her 2396 02:11:57.720 --> 02:12:00.960 brother studied British schools. Okay, let's get to the act experience. So, 2397 02:12:01.199 --> 02:12:03.279 in two thousand and two, while living and working in 2398 02:12:03.319 --> 02:12:07.000 Hong Kong, Morjanni was diagnosed with lymphoma after finding a 2399 02:12:07.079 --> 02:12:11.960 lump on her neck. Initially, Morjanni rejected conventional medicine. I mean, 2400 02:12:12.039 --> 02:12:15.399 I feel like that's pretty you know, regular within that culture, right. 2401 02:12:15.520 --> 02:12:18.279 Yeah, turumeric will fix everything, according to some people. 2402 02:12:18.760 --> 02:12:22.439 Yeah, yeah, I mean it is. It is a miracle thing. 2403 02:12:22.479 --> 02:12:24.000 But I don't know if it's that much of a miracle. 2404 02:12:25.439 --> 02:12:28.319 Let's see. So she rejected the conventional medicine. She had 2405 02:12:28.319 --> 02:12:31.439 watched several people close to her die of cancer, including 2406 02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:34.479 her brother in law and her best friend. Despite extensive 2407 02:12:34.560 --> 02:12:39.239 conventional treatments over the months that ensued, Morjohnny Experience experimented 2408 02:12:39.279 --> 02:12:43.439 with various alternative healing practices to no avail. She subsequently 2409 02:12:43.479 --> 02:12:48.079 underwent several conventional cancer treatments. However, by that point, despite 2410 02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:51.760 beginning these treatments as as as she was brought into 2411 02:12:51.800 --> 02:12:54.560 the hospital, her doctors informed her in her family that 2412 02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:57.199 it was too late to save her life. The lymphoma 2413 02:12:57.199 --> 02:13:01.279 had spread throughout her body and had metastasized. At that point, 2414 02:13:01.319 --> 02:13:04.520 all of Morjohnny's organs had shut down and she entered 2415 02:13:04.560 --> 02:13:08.079 into a coma. Marjohnny came out of the coma thirty 2416 02:13:08.119 --> 02:13:11.399 hours later. During those thirty hours, more Johnny asserts that 2417 02:13:11.479 --> 02:13:16.960 she experience experienced many characteristic details of a near death experience. 2418 02:13:17.159 --> 02:13:21.000 Her account includes an out of body experiment experience with 2419 02:13:21.119 --> 02:13:25.119 observations and awareness of physical surroundings. Morjanni said that she 2420 02:13:25.199 --> 02:13:27.760 had a strong reluctance to return to her suffering and 2421 02:13:27.840 --> 02:13:30.920 dying physical body, but was encouraged to return by her 2422 02:13:30.920 --> 02:13:32.880 father and her best friend, who told her that she 2423 02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:37.520 needed to return and live her life fearlessly subsequent Those 2424 02:13:37.520 --> 02:13:41.760 are the people that had died subsequent to coming out 2425 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:45.920 of her coma. Morjohnnie's tumor shrank by about seventy percent 2426 02:13:46.000 --> 02:13:49.199 within four days, and within five weeks she was cancer free. 2427 02:13:49.239 --> 02:13:51.760 In release from the hospital, although she had spent a 2428 02:13:51.760 --> 02:13:55.319 few months in physiotherapy to regain her strength and the 2429 02:13:55.399 --> 02:13:57.960 use of all of her muscles and limbs, and Morjanni 2430 02:13:58.479 --> 02:14:04.680 remains cancer free to this day. So interesting, it says. 2431 02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:08.439 Murjohnny submitted the description of the of her nde and 2432 02:14:08.520 --> 02:14:12.760 subsequent healing to the Near Death Experience Research Foundation website 2433 02:14:12.760 --> 02:14:15.079 which I talked about, a site owned and run by 2434 02:14:15.079 --> 02:14:18.039 oncologist Jeffrey Long and his wife, Jodi Long, a family 2435 02:14:18.119 --> 02:14:21.600 law attorney. Borjhanni's story came to the attention of American 2436 02:14:21.880 --> 02:14:26.000 self help author Wayne Dyer, who contacted his publishers hay House, 2437 02:14:26.239 --> 02:14:29.680 asking them to locate her and suggest that she wrote 2438 02:14:29.680 --> 02:14:33.399 a book which they would publish. So she wrote the book, 2439 02:14:34.359 --> 02:14:37.960 and oh she went on Fox and Friends, Anderson Cooper, 2440 02:14:38.159 --> 02:14:42.239 National Geographic, and many others. And then she wrote a 2441 02:14:42.239 --> 02:14:46.000 book that sold millions worldwide, has been published in forty languages. 2442 02:14:46.000 --> 02:14:49.640 Good for her, for her. In the years following, she 2443 02:14:49.680 --> 02:14:53.359 wrote three additional books. Okay, so all right, it says. 2444 02:14:53.640 --> 02:14:57.960 A medical explanation of recovery from cancer, it says. According 2445 02:14:57.960 --> 02:15:02.800 to one article, oncologist chematologist T. K. Chan, who treated 2446 02:15:02.840 --> 02:15:06.359 more Johnny at the critical stage of her illness, ascribed 2447 02:15:06.399 --> 02:15:09.239 her recovering to the draining of her lungs carried out 2448 02:15:09.279 --> 02:15:13.439 by medical specialists after she had been admitted to hospital, 2449 02:15:13.479 --> 02:15:16.840 followed by chemotherapy, which she had refused for four years. 2450 02:15:17.159 --> 02:15:21.159 Chan stated with lymphoma, it's never too late, and Hodgkins's 2451 02:15:21.159 --> 02:15:24.159 disease is quite curable. It can have a dramatic response 2452 02:15:24.199 --> 02:15:27.720 to chemotherapy. On the same article, on cologist Peter Coe, 2453 02:15:27.760 --> 02:15:29.800 who arranged to see more Johnny and all of her 2454 02:15:29.800 --> 02:15:32.079 medical records on a visit in November of two thousand 2455 02:15:32.079 --> 02:15:37.000 and six, declared that chemotherapy could not have could not 2456 02:15:38.319 --> 02:15:42.560 declared that chemotherapy could not have occasioned such a dramatic recovery, 2457 02:15:42.840 --> 02:15:47.640 and all that it could have been highly toxic. Considering 2458 02:15:47.640 --> 02:15:51.319 the state of her failing organs, Co stated either her 2459 02:15:51.439 --> 02:15:54.359 mind or body was able to send a message to 2460 02:15:54.479 --> 02:15:58.119 the cancer cells to turn off the mutated genes, and 2461 02:15:58.239 --> 02:16:01.760 chemotherapy does work well with Hodgkins, but I've never seen 2462 02:16:01.800 --> 02:16:02.439 it work like this. 2463 02:16:03.800 --> 02:16:06.600 I mean, it makes sense also in another regard, right, 2464 02:16:06.720 --> 02:16:11.239 So a tumor needs a living host to feed off of, 2465 02:16:12.319 --> 02:16:15.439 and if the host is no longer living, the cancer 2466 02:16:15.479 --> 02:16:18.520 starts to die. So I could also see that being 2467 02:16:18.520 --> 02:16:19.279 a part of it too. 2468 02:16:20.520 --> 02:16:23.960 Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy, the miraculous healing that 2469 02:16:24.039 --> 02:16:28.600 people have after these experiences. Either it's miraculous healing. They 2470 02:16:29.239 --> 02:16:31.720 have a new profound sense of life and purpose and 2471 02:16:32.079 --> 02:16:35.600 everything that comes from it. Their their relationships with everybody 2472 02:16:35.639 --> 02:16:38.760 surrounding them is entirely changed for the better. Their view 2473 02:16:38.840 --> 02:16:41.799 of life is dramatically changed, and they're they living, they're 2474 02:16:41.840 --> 02:16:47.000 living different ways. And I mean, look, if it's just 2475 02:16:47.040 --> 02:16:50.799 an illusion, fucking that's a great illusion to have, you 2476 02:16:50.840 --> 02:16:51.360 know what I'm saying. 2477 02:16:52.280 --> 02:16:54.879 So and I only go into like what she saw 2478 02:16:54.920 --> 02:16:56.399 on the other side or anything. 2479 02:16:58.079 --> 02:17:01.000 That was a Wikipedia article, and they're terrible at describing shit. 2480 02:17:01.040 --> 02:17:04.200 I'm sure I could find something, but she did get 2481 02:17:04.239 --> 02:17:08.319 with Oh, what's the Indian guy? I can't remember what 2482 02:17:08.319 --> 02:17:12.719 his name is. No, no, sad Guru, it's another guy. Anyway, 2483 02:17:12.760 --> 02:17:15.079 I read one of his books, like Deepak Chopra. There 2484 02:17:15.159 --> 02:17:19.719 we go. Yeah, so must have been pretty good. So 2485 02:17:19.840 --> 02:17:22.440 this is the last article we'll get into. It says 2486 02:17:22.639 --> 02:17:26.600 is a near death experience like a DMT trip. One neurosurgent, 2487 02:17:26.959 --> 02:17:32.520 one neurosurgeon experienced both. WHOA I actually talked to somebody 2488 02:17:32.559 --> 02:17:36.399 who has experienced both, and he goes, Dude, same exact thing, 2489 02:17:36.959 --> 02:17:38.000 same exact fucking thing. 2490 02:17:38.559 --> 02:17:39.639 Same, same dog. 2491 02:17:39.959 --> 02:17:42.760 Same Now I don't know what this. I think that 2492 02:17:42.799 --> 02:17:46.559 this is going to agree and also disagree, all right, 2493 02:17:46.760 --> 02:17:49.639 but at least from one of my people who I 2494 02:17:49.719 --> 02:17:52.920 know shout out to optimistic banks said that he had 2495 02:17:52.959 --> 02:17:55.280 a near death experience and he's done DMT and he 2496 02:17:55.360 --> 02:18:00.920 goes fucking no difference, So wow, which I felt compelling 2497 02:18:01.200 --> 02:18:03.680 having never had a near death experience, but it tried DMT, 2498 02:18:03.920 --> 02:18:07.360 and I felt like it was I don't know how 2499 02:18:07.360 --> 02:18:09.319 you go farther than that, You know what I'm saying, 2500 02:18:09.360 --> 02:18:11.719 That's that was my experience. I was like, what more 2501 02:18:11.799 --> 02:18:13.040 could there be than that? 2502 02:18:13.120 --> 02:18:15.479 But that also kind of leads more credence to the 2503 02:18:15.479 --> 02:18:18.200 theory that it's your brain firing off the last bit 2504 02:18:18.200 --> 02:18:21.079 of chemicals. It has to say that it's the same 2505 02:18:21.120 --> 02:18:24.360 as a DMT trip. That kind of scientifically any way, 2506 02:18:25.120 --> 02:18:27.399 that makes sense, But then that kind of takes away 2507 02:18:27.399 --> 02:18:29.120 the spirituality aspect of it. 2508 02:18:29.200 --> 02:18:34.520 I actually disagree. I think that our bodies are meant 2509 02:18:34.520 --> 02:18:36.959 to react to certain things in very specific ways. 2510 02:18:37.479 --> 02:18:37.680 Yeah. 2511 02:18:37.680 --> 02:18:41.040 For example, you know, we do have naturally secreting body 2512 02:18:41.159 --> 02:18:44.040 throughout our lungs, throughout our pineo glens. Some people say 2513 02:18:44.040 --> 02:18:49.120 even throughout our spine depending on various you know sources, 2514 02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:54.840 And I actually think that I'm I'm less entertained by 2515 02:18:54.920 --> 02:18:58.799 the mechanism of how it happens as opposed to why 2516 02:18:58.840 --> 02:18:59.360 it happens. 2517 02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:03.959 I mean, that's it's the same conversation. And say that 2518 02:19:04.120 --> 02:19:08.280 serotonin and dopamine can be released by petting a dog, 2519 02:19:08.600 --> 02:19:11.399 that doesn't mean that petting a dog is a spiritual experience. 2520 02:19:11.559 --> 02:19:14.639 It's a chemical thing that's like within our genetics in 2521 02:19:14.680 --> 02:19:17.360 our DNA to release whenever we pet a dog actually 2522 02:19:18.120 --> 02:19:18.760 is the same thing. 2523 02:19:19.200 --> 02:19:21.840 I disagree with that. I think that everything. I think 2524 02:19:21.840 --> 02:19:24.639 that everything in life can be a spiritual experience. 2525 02:19:26.319 --> 02:19:30.000 I mean, sure, taking a shit can be a spiritual experience, 2526 02:19:30.040 --> 02:19:31.639 but I mean that doesn't mean that it has to be. 2527 02:19:32.040 --> 02:19:34.120 I mean I think that it's up to the individual 2528 02:19:34.159 --> 02:19:35.879 to interpret what's spiritual and what's not. 2529 02:19:37.799 --> 02:19:39.719 That's fair, sure, you know. 2530 02:19:40.120 --> 02:19:42.920 I mean I've had boring ass sex and then I've 2531 02:19:42.959 --> 02:19:46.840 had fucking spiritual sex. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes 2532 02:19:46.920 --> 02:19:47.840 it just be like that. 2533 02:19:48.920 --> 02:19:51.920 I mean, yeah, to your point, it's that's relative to 2534 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:56.040 the individual. I get that, But okay, fair enough. 2535 02:19:56.360 --> 02:19:58.680 You know, I mean, I'm not even trying to get sexual. 2536 02:19:58.680 --> 02:20:01.440 But like pizza. Know, like there are some pizzas that 2537 02:20:01.479 --> 02:20:03.479 you're like, oh my god, I wouldn't feed the shit 2538 02:20:03.520 --> 02:20:05.760 to my dog, right, And then there's other pizza where 2539 02:20:05.760 --> 02:20:09.840 you like, fucking, oh my god, what angel in heaven 2540 02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:10.719 created this? 2541 02:20:11.680 --> 02:20:13.040 Right? Right? I get that. 2542 02:20:13.319 --> 02:20:15.799 I go about cow zones. I don't know. 2543 02:20:15.879 --> 02:20:19.600 It's it's no, not calzones, dude, pizza. Come on now, 2544 02:20:20.319 --> 02:20:21.000 let's be normal. 2545 02:20:21.040 --> 02:20:23.000 Hold up, I'm gonna make you a caw zone one day. 2546 02:20:23.000 --> 02:20:26.040 It's gonna fucking it's gonna really tickle your pickle. 2547 02:20:26.399 --> 02:20:29.719 And I'm not anti Calzone. I'm just more pro pizza 2548 02:20:29.799 --> 02:20:33.079 than I am cal Zone. You haven't tried my calzone, 2549 02:20:33.799 --> 02:20:34.799 that's fair. I have not. 2550 02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:38.719 And I'm not talking about the Adam Sandler Jennifer Aniston 2551 02:20:38.840 --> 02:20:43.920 style fucking child sacrifice pizza. Okay, for all the pizza 2552 02:20:43.959 --> 02:20:47.719 gate people out there, talking about actual ingredients that are 2553 02:20:47.719 --> 02:20:51.079 in your fridge that are not chopped up from children's bodies. 2554 02:20:51.200 --> 02:20:53.319 Okay, so let's just get that clear. We're on a 2555 02:20:53.319 --> 02:20:56.680 conspiracy podcast for Fox's sake. Yeah, for sure, for sure. 2556 02:20:58.079 --> 02:21:01.040 So anyway, this is from Big Thing. I actually really 2557 02:21:01.079 --> 02:21:08.399 like this website. It's the one one neurosurgeon who experienced 2558 02:21:08.559 --> 02:21:12.799 DMT and near death experience, so it says doctor Eban Alexander, 2559 02:21:12.840 --> 02:21:15.840 a neurosurgeon, underwent a near death experience while in a 2560 02:21:15.879 --> 02:21:19.399 coma and subsequently went on a psychedelic trip after taking 2561 02:21:19.440 --> 02:21:23.559 a powerful variant of DMT. So it did both internally 2562 02:21:23.600 --> 02:21:26.840 produced DMT as widely theorized to cause the near death experience. 2563 02:21:27.000 --> 02:21:31.760 So Alexander's dual experiences could provide some intriguing, albeit anecdotal insights. 2564 02:21:32.000 --> 02:21:37.000 Both d MT and and near death experience evoke feelings 2565 02:21:37.120 --> 02:21:41.440 of transcending time and space and glimpsing the multiverse, while 2566 02:21:41.479 --> 02:21:44.360 at the same time eliciting a sense of unity and love. 2567 02:21:44.719 --> 02:21:51.040 But there were also profound differences, he says. So in 2568 02:21:51.079 --> 02:21:53.799 two thousand and eight, doctor even Alexander contracted a rare 2569 02:21:53.840 --> 02:21:57.760 case of bacterial meningitis. As the pathogen wrecked or racked 2570 02:21:57.879 --> 02:22:01.559 his brain, causing it to well and suffused with pus, 2571 02:22:01.719 --> 02:22:05.520 Alexander entered a deep, deep coma he was not expected 2572 02:22:05.559 --> 02:22:09.120 to survive, but live he did, and with a tale 2573 02:22:09.319 --> 02:22:13.680 to tell. For in Alexander's stricken state, he underwent a 2574 02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:17.000 near death experience, a profound out of body event. Four 2575 02:22:17.120 --> 02:22:20.959 years later, the neurosurgeon detailed it in a best selling book. 2576 02:22:21.399 --> 02:22:25.079 I had no real center of consciousness, he wrote. I 2577 02:22:25.280 --> 02:22:28.520 didn't know who or what I was, or even if 2578 02:22:28.600 --> 02:22:32.719 I was. I was simply there, a singular awareness in 2579 02:22:32.760 --> 02:22:35.840 the midst of a soupy, dark, muddy nothingness. 2580 02:22:37.600 --> 02:22:39.520 Sounds like a DNT trip I do. 2581 02:22:40.520 --> 02:22:43.440 More recently, Alexander's popular account of his near death experience 2582 02:22:43.440 --> 02:22:46.959 attracted the attention of Pascal Michael, a PhD student in 2583 02:22:47.239 --> 02:22:50.360 psychology at the University of Greenwich Greenwood. 2584 02:22:50.440 --> 02:22:54.760 Would you say Greenwich, I think that's pronounced Greenwich that 2585 02:22:54.840 --> 02:22:57.600 I don't know. You know, it's like the King's English 2586 02:22:57.719 --> 02:22:59.120 versus American English. 2587 02:22:59.159 --> 02:23:01.559 We say Greenway because that's what it fucking looks like. 2588 02:23:01.719 --> 02:23:04.920 But anyway, Alexander, Michael. 2589 02:23:04.879 --> 02:23:08.079 Say Sandwich or Sandwich or Sanwich. I don't know. 2590 02:23:09.079 --> 02:23:10.799 Sandwich. Yeah, that's where I go. 2591 02:23:10.879 --> 02:23:12.799 Yeah. 2592 02:23:12.840 --> 02:23:15.479 Michael met Alexander after seeing him speak at an academic 2593 02:23:15.520 --> 02:23:19.040 conference and was informed that Alexander had experimented with five 2594 02:23:19.239 --> 02:23:23.840 me e O d MT. Oh. Interesting, that's like four 2595 02:23:23.879 --> 02:23:25.959 ACO and five me O I believe are very similar. 2596 02:23:27.280 --> 02:23:30.319 A psychedelic closely related to d MT secreted from the 2597 02:23:30.319 --> 02:23:33.959 glands of the Colorado River toad. Oh that's buffo. 2598 02:23:34.959 --> 02:23:37.600 Oh okay, all. 2599 02:23:37.639 --> 02:23:42.639 Right, so nd E versus d MT. As Michael's current 2600 02:23:42.639 --> 02:23:46.280 academic focus is on comparing the psychedelic experience with the 2601 02:23:46.319 --> 02:23:50.040 near death experience, he was intrigued. It's widely theorized that 2602 02:23:50.040 --> 02:23:53.680 the psychedelic drug n N d mt UH more commonly 2603 02:23:53.680 --> 02:23:57.079 known as d MT could cause the near death experience 2604 02:23:57.239 --> 02:24:00.159 since the brain might be flooded with with it as 2605 02:24:00.200 --> 02:24:02.959 we approach the moment of death. DMD, after all, is 2606 02:24:03.000 --> 02:24:06.079 produced in the body and is present in cerebo's spinal 2607 02:24:06.120 --> 02:24:09.479 fluid in small amounts. Oh how about that confirmed? I 2608 02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:13.920 like it. Michael responded that having undergone both a near 2609 02:24:13.920 --> 02:24:17.760 death experience and a DMT psychedelic trip a rare coincidence, 2610 02:24:17.840 --> 02:24:22.280 Alexander could provide a fascinating anecdotal comparison of the two events. 2611 02:24:22.520 --> 02:24:26.440 Michael interviewed Alexander in November of twenty nineteen and subsequently 2612 02:24:26.520 --> 02:24:28.840 wrote a scientific paper on what he gleaned from him. 2613 02:24:28.959 --> 02:24:32.920 The article was published in the journal Frontiers in Psychology. 2614 02:24:33.239 --> 02:24:36.120 In the interview, Michael asked Alexander to deeply describe both 2615 02:24:36.159 --> 02:24:41.000 experiences per Alexander's recollections both evoked feelings of transcending time 2616 02:24:41.079 --> 02:24:43.840 and space and glimpsing the multiverse, while at the same 2617 02:24:43.840 --> 02:24:46.719 time eliciting a sense of unity with the surroundings, as 2618 02:24:46.719 --> 02:24:50.159 well as a profound, almost divine love for everything and 2619 02:24:50.319 --> 02:24:54.600 every one. The most vital similarity between Alexander's near death 2620 02:24:54.639 --> 02:24:59.440 experience and his five DMT trip was, in quotes ego death, 2621 02:24:59.680 --> 02:25:03.600 the dissolution of his sense of a sense of self. 2622 02:25:04.639 --> 02:25:09.719 The annihilation in quotes, the annihilation, though temporary, of the 2623 02:25:09.840 --> 02:25:16.280 sense of one's individuated self and all of its concomitant 2624 02:25:17.239 --> 02:25:21.760 autobiographal and all of its autobiographal memories, often gives rise 2625 02:25:21.799 --> 02:25:24.959 to an experience of being a cosmic being. Michael explained 2626 02:25:25.280 --> 02:25:28.760 this he noted is key to the psychedelic induced mystical 2627 02:25:28.799 --> 02:25:34.040 experience and any potential benefits extracted from it. Mike Alexander 2628 02:25:34.079 --> 02:25:37.639 also described many differences between the two events, avowing that 2629 02:25:38.040 --> 02:25:41.079 during his near death experience he came across both menacing 2630 02:25:41.200 --> 02:25:45.000 and divine beings and even briefly ventured to another world 2631 02:25:45.399 --> 02:25:48.840 at one point. He also passed through an abyssal emptiness 2632 02:25:48.959 --> 02:25:53.799 and yet suffused with nurturing light and came upon a 2633 02:25:53.879 --> 02:25:58.760 quote unquote threshold which a feminine entity prevented him from crossing. 2634 02:25:59.319 --> 02:26:02.520 Due to these dissimilarities and the fact that, at least 2635 02:26:02.559 --> 02:26:05.719 for him, the near death experience vastly surpassed that of 2636 02:26:05.760 --> 02:26:09.520 the psychedelic Okay, so he's saying that the NDE was 2637 02:26:09.639 --> 02:26:16.040 like way crazier than DMT. Okay, I can't imagine. So, yeah, 2638 02:26:16.239 --> 02:26:19.239 Alexander does not ascribe to the theory that DMT causes 2639 02:26:19.319 --> 02:26:24.120 near death experiences, preferring a transcendental explanation that he briefly 2640 02:26:24.159 --> 02:26:28.159 glimpsed some form of afterlife, the five meo or the 2641 02:26:28.159 --> 02:26:33.000 Buffo toad. Uh, the five neo was like looking through 2642 02:26:33.000 --> 02:26:37.639 a little peopole as opposed to being full bore swimming 2643 02:26:37.760 --> 02:26:40.479 and being immersed in the Pacific Ocean, of being completely 2644 02:26:40.479 --> 02:26:44.680 into that oneness experience of the NDE. So a key 2645 02:26:44.680 --> 02:26:46.520 hole versus the Holdham thing. 2646 02:26:47.239 --> 02:26:47.840 Interesting. 2647 02:26:48.479 --> 02:26:49.079 Interesting. 2648 02:26:49.280 --> 02:26:51.680 So now we've just heard we were talking about this. 2649 02:26:51.680 --> 02:26:53.680 There's so many people that say it's the same, same 2650 02:26:54.159 --> 02:26:57.200 type of comparison. He is saying, it's not even close. 2651 02:26:57.600 --> 02:26:59.520 It's similar, but not close. Yeah. 2652 02:26:59.600 --> 02:26:59.879 Right. 2653 02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:03.440 So Michael notes, however, that all the contrasting moments and 2654 02:27:03.760 --> 02:27:08.719 Alexander's near death experience are broadly characteristic of DMT psychedelic trips. 2655 02:27:08.879 --> 02:27:12.719 So Alexander's episode, by no means disproves the broader theory 2656 02:27:12.559 --> 02:27:16.399 that NDEs could be caused by the bodies internally produced 2657 02:27:16.399 --> 02:27:23.319 psychedelic compounds, nor does it confirm it. Well, pretty freaking cool, dude, 2658 02:27:23.399 --> 02:27:24.840 I mean, what do you think about all this? 2659 02:27:26.319 --> 02:27:28.639 I'm still kind of on the fence with it, even 2660 02:27:28.719 --> 02:27:32.239 after reading all of these things. I'm I'm not negating 2661 02:27:32.600 --> 02:27:37.959 that indies might actually be a person peering into the 2662 02:27:38.000 --> 02:27:41.680 other side, right, one hundred percent. But then, as I'm 2663 02:27:41.680 --> 02:27:44.959 hearing these still kind of where I was in the beginning. 2664 02:27:45.159 --> 02:27:48.000 Some of them can be chalked up to the brain 2665 02:27:48.120 --> 02:27:51.120 having lack of oxygen. It could be chalked up to 2666 02:27:51.159 --> 02:27:53.959 the brain firing off whatever chemicals are still left, you know, 2667 02:27:54.239 --> 02:27:56.760 on standby before it dies. It's the same way that 2668 02:27:56.840 --> 02:28:00.840 you know your body expels everything as you're dying. But 2669 02:28:00.959 --> 02:28:04.600 that doesn't, like I said earlier, that does not neatly 2670 02:28:05.360 --> 02:28:07.879 tie all loose ends together when you're looking at the 2671 02:28:08.200 --> 02:28:11.360 vast amounts of indie stories that are out there, right, 2672 02:28:11.680 --> 02:28:13.799 So I'm still kind of on the fence with it. 2673 02:28:13.840 --> 02:28:14.559 To be honest with. 2674 02:28:14.520 --> 02:28:18.159 You, Well, what is true is that you know the 2675 02:28:18.239 --> 02:28:21.319 experiences are real. No matter what context you want to 2676 02:28:21.360 --> 02:28:24.200 put it in, the experiences are real. The effects of 2677 02:28:24.239 --> 02:28:28.879 set of said experience are definitely real. And I mean, 2678 02:28:29.040 --> 02:28:31.840 I hope that I never have to experience a near 2679 02:28:31.879 --> 02:28:33.879 death experience because it sounds brutal. I don't want to 2680 02:28:33.879 --> 02:28:36.079 get run over by a fucking train, you know. I 2681 02:28:36.120 --> 02:28:38.239 don't want to. I don't want to have some kind 2682 02:28:38.319 --> 02:28:40.600 of brain issue or heart issue that would cause me 2683 02:28:40.639 --> 02:28:45.399 to slip into that. However, if I do give you 2684 02:28:45.399 --> 02:28:46.360 that NDE all. 2685 02:28:46.280 --> 02:28:49.360 Day, baby, I would I would much rather just die. 2686 02:28:49.479 --> 02:28:50.639 That's just me. I don't know. 2687 02:28:50.719 --> 02:28:52.719 Well, that's what most people say. They're pissed and they 2688 02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:54.200 got to come back. That's what Jeremy Renner said. 2689 02:28:54.239 --> 02:28:57.559 He was like, fuck if I'm if I'm already there, 2690 02:28:58.639 --> 02:29:01.600 let me just continue the journey. I'm good. I've I've 2691 02:29:01.600 --> 02:29:04.719 made my peace with this life, and I have tried 2692 02:29:04.719 --> 02:29:07.000 my hardest to not cling to this life too quickly 2693 02:29:07.040 --> 02:29:09.760 because they could be ripped out from under you to like, tonight, 2694 02:29:09.879 --> 02:29:12.040 as I go to sleep, there may be a blood 2695 02:29:12.040 --> 02:29:14.719 clot that I know nothing about because I've never done 2696 02:29:14.719 --> 02:29:17.680 a scan for one that might dislodge itself. Go to 2697 02:29:17.760 --> 02:29:20.120 my brain and tie to I don't wake up tomorrow morning. 2698 02:29:20.479 --> 02:29:22.639 Like that's a reality, and that's a reality for everybody. 2699 02:29:23.239 --> 02:29:25.559 You never know what tomorrow will bring. 2700 02:29:25.399 --> 02:29:25.920 You will not. 2701 02:29:26.079 --> 02:29:28.559 You don't know if you're gonna see tomorrow. So live 2702 02:29:28.680 --> 02:29:31.040 this moment like it is your last. Live today as 2703 02:29:31.079 --> 02:29:33.040 if it's your last day on earth. And then when 2704 02:29:33.079 --> 02:29:38.120 the time comes, go, you know, die gracefully, sing your 2705 02:29:38.159 --> 02:29:40.040 death song like a warrior going home. 2706 02:29:40.840 --> 02:29:43.600 Yeah. And you know what, Jacob, I am older than you, 2707 02:29:43.719 --> 02:29:46.760 so the likeliness that I die before you is probably 2708 02:29:46.840 --> 02:29:48.040 higher than you dying before me. 2709 02:29:49.200 --> 02:29:52.479 I mean, you live a lower risk life than I do. 2710 02:29:52.559 --> 02:29:54.079 And I'm not saying that to shit on you. I'm 2711 02:29:54.079 --> 02:29:54.680 saying that in a. 2712 02:29:54.680 --> 02:29:59.200 Very positive Nowadays I do. Yeah, yeah, you're still doing 2713 02:29:59.239 --> 02:30:00.879 the night fighting all your crazy shit. 2714 02:30:01.000 --> 02:30:03.319 So, like, I hope to get a motorcycle here in 2715 02:30:03.360 --> 02:30:05.559 the next six months or so, or at least in 2716 02:30:05.600 --> 02:30:07.319 the next year, like me too. 2717 02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:09.600 I was actually thinking, since I'm gonna be moving out 2718 02:30:09.600 --> 02:30:12.280 to Arizona here in like five weeks now, Oh dude, 2719 02:30:12.399 --> 02:30:14.879 I think I might have to get me a fucking hog, dude. 2720 02:30:15.360 --> 02:30:17.479 I think you need one. I think you do. 2721 02:30:17.559 --> 02:30:19.239 I think it's probably about that time, dude, to be 2722 02:30:19.280 --> 02:30:22.479 out there with the mountains and the water and yeah, 2723 02:30:22.479 --> 02:30:24.399 I mean just open desert. 2724 02:30:24.600 --> 02:30:27.079 You know, the desert is the spot for bikes. Man. 2725 02:30:27.399 --> 02:30:28.719 Ah one hundred percent. 2726 02:30:28.920 --> 02:30:30.399 Hell yeah, I might have to get me a little one. 2727 02:30:30.600 --> 02:30:32.319 Nothing crazy. I'm not trying to get no fat boy 2728 02:30:32.399 --> 02:30:34.959 or anything like that, but I mean, you know, a 2729 02:30:35.000 --> 02:30:36.840 starter bike. It depends on the style. 2730 02:30:36.840 --> 02:30:39.000 If you're getting a sports bike, no, yeah, I get 2731 02:30:39.040 --> 02:30:41.239 like six hundred or something like that. If it's if 2732 02:30:41.280 --> 02:30:44.360 it's a cruiser style, I would suggest start with a 2733 02:30:44.399 --> 02:30:47.399 one thousand, because even though it might be seen as 2734 02:30:47.399 --> 02:30:49.840 a quote unquote bigger bike, it doesn't have the same 2735 02:30:49.879 --> 02:30:52.319 amount of torque as a sports bike, and anything less 2736 02:30:52.319 --> 02:30:55.239 than that you're gonna be bored of in six months. Well, 2737 02:30:56.000 --> 02:30:57.920 unless it's like a little cafe racer or something. They 2738 02:30:57.959 --> 02:31:00.200 got small motors, but they're quick and they're light and 2739 02:31:00.239 --> 02:31:03.079 they're small, so it's it's like a weird blend between 2740 02:31:03.159 --> 02:31:05.840 like a crowd rocket and a cruiser. But we'll talk 2741 02:31:05.920 --> 02:31:07.760 more about that when the time comes. And you get 2742 02:31:07.799 --> 02:31:10.319 some money put aside to buy one. But yeah, I mean, 2743 02:31:10.319 --> 02:31:12.079 I'm it's definitely gonna be used if I get one. 2744 02:31:12.079 --> 02:31:14.639 I'm not getting nothing brand new. I would love to 2745 02:31:14.639 --> 02:31:17.120 get a brand new bike, but there's no way. My 2746 02:31:17.639 --> 02:31:20.639 dream ideal like brand new bike would be like a 2747 02:31:21.200 --> 02:31:26.680 Indian chieftain and bitches are so sick, but oh I 2748 02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:29.600 love them, I love them so much. I'm happy that 2749 02:31:29.600 --> 02:31:32.879 Polaris bought out the Indian name brand and they've revived 2750 02:31:32.920 --> 02:31:36.079 it because it's been ever since World War Two. It's 2751 02:31:36.159 --> 02:31:38.440 like the company's gone down, up and down and up, 2752 02:31:38.479 --> 02:31:41.280 and you'll get companies try to like put some juice 2753 02:31:41.319 --> 02:31:43.680 back into that and then they crash out. Polaris ain't 2754 02:31:43.719 --> 02:31:46.319 going nowhere. So the Indian has been doing really well. 2755 02:31:46.879 --> 02:31:49.360 But plays makes the best four wheelers too, for sure. 2756 02:31:49.440 --> 02:31:53.120 Agreed, agreed, But yeah, no, I'm yeah, it'll probably be 2757 02:31:53.200 --> 02:31:55.159 a used bike when I get one, let's be real. 2758 02:31:55.520 --> 02:31:58.799 But yeah, but yeah, I mean the reality is I'll 2759 02:31:58.799 --> 02:32:00.600 probably die before you. I hope. 2760 02:32:00.600 --> 02:32:02.879 So what do you mean you hope? 2761 02:32:02.879 --> 02:32:08.000 So I mean I'm I hope that like I can. Yeah, 2762 02:32:08.040 --> 02:32:10.120 I guess that sounded depressing as fuck out. Well, it's 2763 02:32:10.120 --> 02:32:12.760 sad you have a good life. Oh no, No, I'm 2764 02:32:12.799 --> 02:32:14.760 not depressed by any means. And I'm not like I'm 2765 02:32:14.840 --> 02:32:17.399 praying for death or anything. But I'm just like, I 2766 02:32:17.440 --> 02:32:20.200 am excited to die. Like, let's not get that twisted either, 2767 02:32:22.680 --> 02:32:25.239 I think. So, Yeah, I'm completing my race. 2768 02:32:25.760 --> 02:32:27.879 I mean, I thought I wouldn't say that I'm looking 2769 02:32:27.959 --> 02:32:31.079 forward to it, but I will happily accept it when 2770 02:32:31.079 --> 02:32:33.239 it when it occurs. 2771 02:32:32.760 --> 02:32:34.840 I am looking forward to it, but I'm also not 2772 02:32:35.840 --> 02:32:38.360 got a rush. Yeah, I'm not in a rush to 2773 02:32:38.399 --> 02:32:41.360 get there, but like super stoked when the time comes, 2774 02:32:41.399 --> 02:32:41.840 for sure. 2775 02:32:42.120 --> 02:32:44.840 Yeah. I did have some more notes here that we 2776 02:32:44.840 --> 02:32:48.239 can go over. It's up to you. It's uh, just 2777 02:32:48.760 --> 02:32:51.760 you know, because I've never had a near death experience 2778 02:32:51.760 --> 02:32:53.719 and i've and we read that article. But then I 2779 02:32:53.719 --> 02:32:56.680 also heard my buddy, you know, talking about NDEs and 2780 02:32:56.760 --> 02:33:00.280 you know, psychedelic experiences, and I wanted to pull up 2781 02:33:00.280 --> 02:33:02.719 some notes here that I had that were kind of 2782 02:33:02.799 --> 02:33:06.600 comparing them. That will also split the difference as well. 2783 02:33:08.040 --> 02:33:12.079 So it says there are strong similarities between NDEs and 2784 02:33:12.319 --> 02:33:16.840 DMD induced ego deaths, and many researchers, mystics and psychonauts 2785 02:33:16.920 --> 02:33:19.600 believe that they may be tapping into the same underlying 2786 02:33:19.639 --> 02:33:25.079 mechanism of consciousness. So there are core similarities. So there 2787 02:33:25.200 --> 02:33:29.760 is ego dissolution and loss of self. So in an NDE, 2788 02:33:29.920 --> 02:33:33.200 in a near death experience, people report leaving their body 2789 02:33:33.319 --> 02:33:37.719 no longer identifying with it, and experiencing themselves as pure awareness. 2790 02:33:38.040 --> 02:33:41.920 The sense of I often dissolves into something vast, so 2791 02:33:41.959 --> 02:33:45.159 that's an NDE. As far as the DMT ego death, 2792 02:33:45.399 --> 02:33:48.520 it says the self shatters, dissolves, and merges with an 2793 02:33:48.520 --> 02:33:52.239 infinite field of consciousness. The usual quote unquote story of 2794 02:33:52.319 --> 02:33:58.600 me disappears, replaced by timeless awareness. So that similar. And 2795 02:33:58.639 --> 02:34:01.440 then there is the to and light phenomena. 2796 02:34:02.200 --> 02:34:04.520 Yeah, an NDE. 2797 02:34:04.680 --> 02:34:07.520 It's as a common motif is moving through a through 2798 02:34:07.680 --> 02:34:12.000 a tunnel toward an overwhelming light, often described as pure 2799 02:34:12.040 --> 02:34:15.600 love or divine presence. That's an NDE. DMT it's as 2800 02:34:15.639 --> 02:34:20.040 many report tunnels, vortexes, or hyperspace passages into a realm 2801 02:34:20.079 --> 02:34:23.559 of brilliant light and geometry. The light can feel like 2802 02:34:24.559 --> 02:34:26.200 God or source itself. 2803 02:34:27.120 --> 02:34:29.120 I will say that that is such a cliche at 2804 02:34:29.159 --> 02:34:32.239 this point the whole don't go into the light the 2805 02:34:32.280 --> 02:34:34.879 whole INDE thing about people seeing a tunnel with the 2806 02:34:34.920 --> 02:34:37.520 light of the end of it. That's so prevalent that 2807 02:34:37.520 --> 02:34:39.760 that has even become a thing in movies that we 2808 02:34:39.840 --> 02:34:42.600 hear it out right, Like it's that seems to be 2809 02:34:42.639 --> 02:34:44.959 a very common thread with indes. 2810 02:34:45.280 --> 02:34:47.360 Checks out though. I mean, if you get so many 2811 02:34:47.399 --> 02:34:48.840 people saying that same thing. 2812 02:34:49.520 --> 02:34:52.079 But you also, with your DMT experience and you've done 2813 02:34:52.079 --> 02:34:54.680 for ACO and you've done pure and all this, did 2814 02:34:54.680 --> 02:34:56.159 you see a tunnel with a light? Now, I know 2815 02:34:56.200 --> 02:34:59.879 you saw lights and patterns and you know the geometrics 2816 02:35:00.079 --> 02:35:04.600 shit like that, but did you see a tunnel or 2817 02:35:04.600 --> 02:35:06.479 something even close to it? I don't remember you ever 2818 02:35:06.520 --> 02:35:07.200 saying that you did. 2819 02:35:07.600 --> 02:35:10.280 No, I didn't see a tunnel by any means, although 2820 02:35:10.360 --> 02:35:13.719 on DMT you do feel like you're being blasted through 2821 02:35:13.840 --> 02:35:18.159 a tunnel until you get to your destination. Okay, it's 2822 02:35:18.239 --> 02:35:20.920 like it like how they were just saying, like hyperspace 2823 02:35:21.040 --> 02:35:25.399 like fucking zoom all the way there, like it is, 2824 02:35:25.440 --> 02:35:27.879 you're a fucking strip to a rocket going like a 2825 02:35:27.920 --> 02:35:28.879 million miles an hour. 2826 02:35:29.639 --> 02:35:31.600 So I know that, like Lemon, rockets are a thing 2827 02:35:31.639 --> 02:35:34.360 when you're taking DMT, like four Aco and things like 2828 02:35:34.399 --> 02:35:37.159 that and mushrooms and whatever. Is that a thing when 2829 02:35:37.200 --> 02:35:42.120 you smoke pure DMT, you know what I'm saying, Like, 2830 02:35:42.200 --> 02:35:44.040 you take you like a shot of lemon juice or something, 2831 02:35:44.040 --> 02:35:46.680 then smoke DMT, does that like double down the blast 2832 02:35:46.719 --> 02:35:49.959 off like it does with like four ACO or with mushrooms. 2833 02:35:50.399 --> 02:35:52.600 I don't know. I mean, for four eight there's no 2834 02:35:52.680 --> 02:35:54.520 blast off with mushrooms and four eco. 2835 02:35:55.000 --> 02:35:57.840 Right, yeah, well it is apparently allegedly if you take 2836 02:35:57.920 --> 02:36:00.079 some citrus with it, it does. I don't know that 2837 02:36:00.239 --> 02:36:02.879 for a fact, but that seems to be what people say. 2838 02:36:03.000 --> 02:36:06.840 So in my experience, because I have done mushrooms for 2839 02:36:07.040 --> 02:36:12.280 ACO and DMT, DMT is the most like it's the 2840 02:36:12.280 --> 02:36:15.479 most That's just the best way I can put it. 2841 02:36:15.520 --> 02:36:19.239 Is the most psychedelic thing you could ever do. There's 2842 02:36:19.319 --> 02:36:21.920 nothing more powerful than that. And they do say that 2843 02:36:21.920 --> 02:36:25.920 it's the world's most powerful and potent psychedelic drug there 2844 02:36:26.000 --> 02:36:30.600 is is DMT. That being said, I prefer for ACO. 2845 02:36:31.360 --> 02:36:34.159 I still have a grasp on fucking reality. I mean, 2846 02:36:34.920 --> 02:36:38.079 it's an overlaid reality. So it's like this reality plus 2847 02:36:38.479 --> 02:36:41.840 the trippy reality laid on top of each other. But 2848 02:36:41.920 --> 02:36:45.120 at least I'm still here. You know what I'm saying, DMT, 2849 02:36:45.760 --> 02:36:49.239 you don't fucking exist anymore, bro, Like you are not 2850 02:36:49.520 --> 02:36:53.079 you anymore. Like it's it's more than whenever you go 2851 02:36:53.159 --> 02:36:55.319 to sleep and you have a dream, like you know, 2852 02:36:55.360 --> 02:36:58.760 you feel a little dissociated or whatever. Right, it's it's 2853 02:36:58.879 --> 02:37:04.040 that times I thought, like you, I'm a time god, honestly, 2854 02:37:04.239 --> 02:37:07.600 like it is. I hope that you experience it one day, 2855 02:37:08.559 --> 02:37:11.440 maybe one day. I just think that that would I 2856 02:37:11.479 --> 02:37:16.559 would love to hear how you experience it, specifically you, hmmm, 2857 02:37:17.000 --> 02:37:20.120 Like I want to hear your experience, I think more 2858 02:37:20.159 --> 02:37:23.719 than anybody else on the on on the planet, Like 2859 02:37:23.760 --> 02:37:26.040 I would mean, I would rather hear your experience than 2860 02:37:26.040 --> 02:37:29.840 my parents. I would rather hear yours than I can't 2861 02:37:29.840 --> 02:37:33.680 even think of anybody who would rather hear about than yours. 2862 02:37:34.000 --> 02:37:36.600 I feel like you would be underwhelmed with my response. 2863 02:37:37.159 --> 02:37:40.319 I doubt it. I feel like I feel like you 2864 02:37:40.399 --> 02:37:41.879 think you're going to be underwhelmed. 2865 02:37:42.360 --> 02:37:44.799 Oh no, no, I know I get that, like I 2866 02:37:44.799 --> 02:37:48.040 will be blown away, Like I get that, but how 2867 02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:50.479 my brain computes it makes sense of it all. I 2868 02:37:50.520 --> 02:37:52.920 feel like it's going to be like underwhelming for you. 2869 02:37:53.079 --> 02:37:55.120 I could be wrong. Who knows, maybe one of these 2870 02:37:55.159 --> 02:37:56.000 days will do it. Bro. 2871 02:37:56.559 --> 02:37:59.319 I think that yeah, you I know how you would 2872 02:37:59.360 --> 02:38:00.760 look at it and you be like, oh yeah, it 2873 02:38:00.799 --> 02:38:04.239 was crazy, you know but whatever. You know, like like 2874 02:38:04.479 --> 02:38:06.120 kind of how you know what I mean, Like you 2875 02:38:06.159 --> 02:38:08.760 had your whole mushroom experience. You saw fucking gears and 2876 02:38:08.799 --> 02:38:11.760 you saw how everything was really flowing with life, and 2877 02:38:11.799 --> 02:38:13.559 you're like, man, that was a thing. Whatever. 2878 02:38:14.399 --> 02:38:17.159 It just made sense, Like it didn't like blow my 2879 02:38:17.200 --> 02:38:20.200 mind and make me like rethink how I'm living life 2880 02:38:20.239 --> 02:38:21.559 and like, oh my god. It was just kind of 2881 02:38:21.559 --> 02:38:24.719 like huh, so that's how that works. It. All of 2882 02:38:24.760 --> 02:38:27.520 the things have to work together, the good and the bad. 2883 02:38:27.760 --> 02:38:30.040 If one thing's out of place, it all falls apart. 2884 02:38:30.280 --> 02:38:32.280 Got you, Okay? It was like all right, but it 2885 02:38:32.319 --> 02:38:35.440 was it wasn't like an earth shattering experience, right. 2886 02:38:35.479 --> 02:38:37.360 I would hope that you would have like a crazy 2887 02:38:37.399 --> 02:38:38.440 spiritual experience. 2888 02:38:39.079 --> 02:38:41.639 M you know, maybe one of these days we'll find 2889 02:38:41.639 --> 02:38:42.280 out together, bro. 2890 02:38:42.440 --> 02:38:44.879 I mean, and I'm not gonna lie. After I did 2891 02:38:45.040 --> 02:38:48.440 that DMT trip, I we got it recorded, I said 2892 02:38:48.479 --> 02:38:51.040 that I wouldn't want fucking even Hitler to have to 2893 02:38:51.120 --> 02:38:55.520 experience what I experienced, like that's how dramatic and how like, yeah, dude, 2894 02:38:55.559 --> 02:38:57.639 it fucking it put me into a depression for like 2895 02:38:57.719 --> 02:38:59.040 two or three months, Like, no. 2896 02:38:59.000 --> 02:39:01.799 I remember it was that. That's what I'm saying. Man, 2897 02:39:01.840 --> 02:39:04.520 I don't I don't like want to jump on board that. 2898 02:39:04.639 --> 02:39:06.360 Oh dude, But I'm so much fucking better now as 2899 02:39:06.399 --> 02:39:08.959 a result of it, like not even shitting' you. Like 2900 02:39:09.040 --> 02:39:12.079 the way I look at this fucking reality as we exist. 2901 02:39:12.120 --> 02:39:14.920 I'm like, I do, I really don't take shit serious 2902 02:39:15.399 --> 02:39:18.879 and because of that, but I get it. It's not 2903 02:39:18.920 --> 02:39:20.639 that I look at it like it's a joke. It's 2904 02:39:20.719 --> 02:39:23.520 just that they know that. I know even more now 2905 02:39:23.840 --> 02:39:28.239 that it's like it's so temporary that don't even sweat 2906 02:39:28.239 --> 02:39:31.680 the small shit. It's so incredibly temporary. 2907 02:39:32.440 --> 02:39:36.440 That's yeah, I agree one hundred percent. Bro. As the 2908 02:39:36.479 --> 02:39:38.639 Bible says, this too shall pass. 2909 02:39:38.559 --> 02:39:43.040 It do so anyway they there is the tunnel and 2910 02:39:43.120 --> 02:39:47.040 light phenomena. Then there's also encounters with beings under both instances, 2911 02:39:47.440 --> 02:39:50.239 so a near death experience, it says uh. Under a 2912 02:39:50.280 --> 02:39:54.879 near death experience, contact with deceased relatives, guides, angels, or 2913 02:39:54.879 --> 02:39:59.840 divine presences who communicate telepathically, and then with d MT, 2914 02:40:00.360 --> 02:40:07.319 there's contact with quote unquote entities, whether they be machine elves, teachers, gods, ancestors. 2915 02:40:08.079 --> 02:40:13.680 Communication is direct, beyond words, often deeply symbolic. Pretty similar there, 2916 02:40:14.559 --> 02:40:19.159 I mean, no machine eels in an NDE. But then 2917 02:40:19.200 --> 02:40:23.760 there's the life review and revelation. So a near death experience, 2918 02:40:23.799 --> 02:40:28.200 it says, some undergo a panoramic life review, feeling their 2919 02:40:28.239 --> 02:40:32.200 actions impact on others with total empathy. You hear that 2920 02:40:32.239 --> 02:40:36.559 a lot yew DMT, it says, while not always a review, 2921 02:40:37.079 --> 02:40:41.600 users report being shown profound truths about their lives, karmic patterns, 2922 02:40:41.719 --> 02:40:47.680 or humanity's collective story. So different in that aspect. I 2923 02:40:47.760 --> 02:40:50.079 don't know if I ever heard of a life review 2924 02:40:50.079 --> 02:40:53.479 on DMT, but definitely hear about them a lot on 2925 02:40:54.280 --> 02:40:55.680 near death experiences. 2926 02:40:56.200 --> 02:40:57.799 No, that's a good point. I don't think I've ever 2927 02:40:57.799 --> 02:41:02.399 heard someone take DMT and like have a replaying of 2928 02:41:02.440 --> 02:41:03.200 their life by. 2929 02:41:03.120 --> 02:41:05.799 Any means, right, right, But it happens all the fucking 2930 02:41:05.840 --> 02:41:10.840 time in ndies. Yeah. Then there's timelessness and unity. So 2931 02:41:11.319 --> 02:41:15.799 in NDEs time stops. The person often feels eternal, outside 2932 02:41:15.799 --> 02:41:18.520 of space and time and merging with what they say. 2933 02:41:18.680 --> 02:41:24.239 The all d MT it says time collapses or becomes meaningless. 2934 02:41:24.520 --> 02:41:28.239 Some describe experiencing eternity in minutes with a deep sense 2935 02:41:28.280 --> 02:41:35.000 of unity with existence. Interesting, damn, that makes me think 2936 02:41:35.000 --> 02:41:35.520 a little bit. 2937 02:41:36.360 --> 02:41:38.200 Uh, tell me, tell me what does it make you 2938 02:41:38.239 --> 02:41:38.559 think of? 2939 02:41:40.159 --> 02:41:42.719 Well, just whenever I had that fucking bad DMT trip, 2940 02:41:42.959 --> 02:41:45.920 like it made me like, you know, I was in 2941 02:41:45.959 --> 02:41:48.079 the void and it, dude, it put me into a 2942 02:41:48.120 --> 02:41:50.840 fucking depression so far, like for months after it, Like 2943 02:41:50.879 --> 02:41:56.879 I said, but you know, and I felt like I 2944 02:41:56.879 --> 02:42:00.600 I felt like nothing existed, including me, you know, and 2945 02:42:01.079 --> 02:42:04.120 I felt like literally I killed everything and it was 2946 02:42:04.159 --> 02:42:07.040 all my fault and everything right. But then as I 2947 02:42:07.280 --> 02:42:10.879 you know, meditated on it and recollected exactly what I 2948 02:42:10.920 --> 02:42:13.760 saw and what I felt and everything, I came to 2949 02:42:14.079 --> 02:42:19.200 feel like a crazy comfort in knowing that even even 2950 02:42:19.280 --> 02:42:22.520 in the void, I was still able to perceive my 2951 02:42:22.600 --> 02:42:26.959 own awareness, which is crazy because if it was the void, 2952 02:42:27.239 --> 02:42:30.799 nothing would exist. So if nothing existed, I wouldn't exist. 2953 02:42:30.799 --> 02:42:33.639 But I did. I was there, I witnessed it, so 2954 02:42:34.360 --> 02:42:38.200 that to me, that to me signals that even when 2955 02:42:38.360 --> 02:42:43.760 nothing exists, we still do in some way. And I 2956 02:42:44.040 --> 02:42:46.559 don't know how else to describe that but that's brought 2957 02:42:46.639 --> 02:42:49.520 me a lot of peace actually thinking that good things. 2958 02:42:51.360 --> 02:42:56.360 It says, there's transformation afterward. NDEs survivors often lose fear 2959 02:42:56.399 --> 02:43:00.879 of death, develop heightened spirituality, and change priority in life. 2960 02:43:01.239 --> 02:43:05.120 In DMT, many return with a radically shifted worldview, often 2961 02:43:05.159 --> 02:43:12.280 more spiritual, compassionate, and less materialistic. Same kinds of transformations afterward. 2962 02:43:12.840 --> 02:43:17.399 Possible explanations, It says, there's the biochemical explanation that both 2963 02:43:17.479 --> 02:43:20.520 may involve DMT release in the brain. The pineal gland 2964 02:43:20.559 --> 02:43:23.600 and dying neurons may flood the brain with DMT during 2965 02:43:23.680 --> 02:43:27.719 extreme trauma or death states. Then there's the oxygen deprivation, 2966 02:43:27.879 --> 02:43:31.520 which is hypoxia. Can also create tunnel vision, bright lights 2967 02:43:31.520 --> 02:43:38.760 and vivid haint hallucinations. That's the biochemical explanation, yeah, which 2968 02:43:38.799 --> 02:43:41.520 I'm not saying that that's not happening. I'm just saying 2969 02:43:41.600 --> 02:43:44.360 that I think that maybe that's not all that's happening. 2970 02:43:44.920 --> 02:43:46.280 Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 2971 02:43:46.399 --> 02:43:50.840 Then explanation number two, which is neurological, So both experiences 2972 02:43:50.879 --> 02:43:54.520 correlate with surges of high frequency brain activity such as 2973 02:43:54.799 --> 02:43:59.159 gamma waves just before or after clinical death, similar to 2974 02:43:59.200 --> 02:44:04.600 what's seen and psychedelics. Interesting Okay, yeah, you always hear 2975 02:44:04.600 --> 02:44:09.079 about the gamma. Shit, which gamma? So I've talked about 2976 02:44:09.079 --> 02:44:11.159 like the different states of your fucking mind or whatever. 2977 02:44:11.200 --> 02:44:15.000 You got beta, alpha, theta, and then usually delta is 2978 02:44:15.120 --> 02:44:18.159 right after that, but some people include gamma, which is 2979 02:44:18.200 --> 02:44:22.959 an even deeper meditative state, even deeper than theta. So 2980 02:44:23.719 --> 02:44:26.479 theta is right before you fall asleep or as soon 2981 02:44:26.479 --> 02:44:29.920 as you wake up. Right, this is suggesting. So there 2982 02:44:29.959 --> 02:44:33.079 are people that go beyond that, which is gamma. Right, 2983 02:44:33.280 --> 02:44:36.200 Think about like a fucking yogi that's meditating for a week. 2984 02:44:36.760 --> 02:44:38.840 You know what I'm saying, Like that guy is gonna 2985 02:44:38.840 --> 02:44:41.719 be way deeper than somebody who's about who's about to 2986 02:44:41.719 --> 02:44:45.840 fall asleep, right, makes sense? Right, And so that's what 2987 02:44:45.879 --> 02:44:49.360 they say, is that on psychedelics and in near death 2988 02:44:49.399 --> 02:44:54.120 cases where they are being monitored, gamma waves are happening. 2989 02:44:54.879 --> 02:44:57.239 So it's almost as if your brain is emulating that 2990 02:44:57.319 --> 02:45:01.200 you are in such a super fucking yoga deep meditation 2991 02:45:01.959 --> 02:45:05.040 that it's allowing you to see this kind of stuff neurologically. 2992 02:45:06.159 --> 02:45:10.879 Okay, I mean I see that. It's like whim Hoff, right, 2993 02:45:11.040 --> 02:45:15.360 he does breathing techniques and meditation to give himself a 2994 02:45:15.440 --> 02:45:16.200 d MT trip. 2995 02:45:17.559 --> 02:45:22.159 Yeah, same thing. And then there is the metaphysical one. 2996 02:45:23.000 --> 02:45:25.319 And I don't think that these are even separate. I 2997 02:45:25.360 --> 02:45:28.440 think that they could all be happening. So the biochemical, 2998 02:45:28.479 --> 02:45:32.719 the neurological, and the metaphysical. So the metaphysical explanation is 2999 02:45:32.760 --> 02:45:36.600 that some propose that some propose both are gateways to 3000 02:45:36.840 --> 02:45:40.840 non ordinary realms of consciousness. Both as in DMT and 3001 02:45:41.159 --> 02:45:45.360 NDEs are their gates to non ordinary realms of consciousness, 3002 02:45:45.399 --> 02:45:50.000 not hallucinations, but glimpses into other dimensions or the afterlife. 3003 02:45:51.600 --> 02:45:53.920 That's the thing, that's what I wanted to bring up earlier, 3004 02:45:53.920 --> 02:45:58.479 as far as the NN DMT studies is not an NDMT. 3005 02:45:59.319 --> 02:46:03.559 The DMT studies that were ever in London, they said 3006 02:46:03.639 --> 02:46:06.000 that they were able to prove without a shadow of 3007 02:46:06.040 --> 02:46:10.280 a doubt that this reality that we experience in waking 3008 02:46:10.360 --> 02:46:13.639 life is more of a hallucination than what you experience 3009 02:46:13.840 --> 02:46:17.120 on psychedelics or in an ear death experience. And their 3010 02:46:17.280 --> 02:46:20.920 explanation behind that is that our brain and our eyes 3011 02:46:20.959 --> 02:46:23.440 and our mind, and you know, we take in fucking 3012 02:46:23.520 --> 02:46:26.639 sixty thousand thoughts a day, and you know, all this 3013 02:46:26.719 --> 02:46:29.479 information is constant. I think they said that we take 3014 02:46:29.559 --> 02:46:34.079 in like seven thousand. I don't know if it's fucking 3015 02:46:34.079 --> 02:46:38.399 gigabytes or whatever. I think seven thousand gigabytes of parabytes. Well, 3016 02:46:38.440 --> 02:46:42.719 seven thousand gigabytes of information per second is what our 3017 02:46:42.719 --> 02:46:46.319 brain has to process, right, do you know how many 3018 02:46:46.520 --> 02:46:53.280 we actually are aware of? It's fifty out of seven thousand. Wow, 3019 02:46:53.319 --> 02:46:55.479 so seven and no, that's right. It wasn't seven thousand 3020 02:46:55.479 --> 02:46:58.479 gigabytes or whatever. It was seven thousand. Things Like, your 3021 02:46:58.520 --> 02:47:02.000 brain is taking seven thous bits of information and it's 3022 02:47:02.200 --> 02:47:05.920 fucking breaking it down into fifty, right, Whereas whenever you're 3023 02:47:05.959 --> 02:47:08.399 on DMT or any other psychedelic or you're going through 3024 02:47:08.440 --> 02:47:12.840 a near death experience, that broadens to over a thousand, 3025 02:47:12.879 --> 02:47:15.360 which is why so many people say it's more real 3026 02:47:15.399 --> 02:47:18.520 than anything I've ever seen, because their brain is not 3027 02:47:18.680 --> 02:47:23.079 filtering out it is. You are getting the raw data. Yeah, 3028 02:47:23.120 --> 02:47:25.200 so the brain almost look at the brain like it's 3029 02:47:25.200 --> 02:47:29.639 a fucking it's a filter in waking reality. And whenever 3030 02:47:29.680 --> 02:47:32.319 you're on DMT or you're going through a near death experience, 3031 02:47:32.319 --> 02:47:36.440 that filter is fucking off, that veil is gone. So 3032 02:47:37.000 --> 02:47:40.440 what they have surmised is that whenever you're you know, 3033 02:47:40.680 --> 02:47:44.639 under one of those circumstances that that's not the hallucination, 3034 02:47:44.959 --> 02:47:47.840 that waking reality is more of a hallucination than even 3035 02:47:47.920 --> 02:47:51.760 that because there is no filter, and our filter is 3036 02:47:52.520 --> 02:47:54.920 would be which is it's an interesting way of looking 3037 02:47:54.959 --> 02:47:58.760 at it, because you would you would expect like, all right, well, 3038 02:47:58.840 --> 02:48:01.479 hallucination is just something that your mind is making up 3039 02:48:01.520 --> 02:48:04.840 that's not really there, right, whereas they're looking at it 3040 02:48:04.879 --> 02:48:09.399 from the opposite end saying that actually, a hallucination is 3041 02:48:09.440 --> 02:48:17.399 something that is happening, but your brain is fucking making 3042 02:48:17.399 --> 02:48:20.079 the amount of information smaller to be able to process it. 3043 02:48:20.280 --> 02:48:23.559 That's the hallucination itself. So it's like looking at it 3044 02:48:23.600 --> 02:48:25.639 from different ends of the spectrum, which I think is 3045 02:48:25.639 --> 02:48:30.719 pretty cool. Okay, wow, it says in this view, DMT 3046 02:48:30.879 --> 02:48:34.079 is not creating illusions, but opening the filter of the 3047 02:48:34.120 --> 02:48:39.239 brain to wider reality, just as dying removes the filter altogether. 3048 02:48:40.440 --> 02:48:44.280 So very similar in those aspects. The key differences are 3049 02:48:44.319 --> 02:48:49.280 control and duration. NDEs happen spontaneously, usually lasting longer, though 3050 02:48:49.319 --> 02:48:52.600 they may feel like they're outside of time DMT, So 3051 02:48:52.680 --> 02:48:56.719 that was NDEs. DMT ego death is chemically induced, short 3052 02:48:56.760 --> 02:49:03.079 lived within minutes, though equally intense there's the content consistency, 3053 02:49:03.200 --> 02:49:09.079 so NDEs often have recurring light tunnel and life review archetypes, 3054 02:49:09.360 --> 02:49:12.600 where d MT can be more varied with wild geometry, 3055 02:49:12.959 --> 02:49:18.040 alien like realms and be less predictable symbolism. The cultural 3056 02:49:18.079 --> 02:49:21.799 framing would be. NDEs are often interpreted in religious slash 3057 02:49:21.840 --> 02:49:27.079 spiritual terms, for example, meeting God, angels, Christ, et cetera. 3058 02:49:27.840 --> 02:49:31.719 D MT users may frame it as alien contact, alien 3059 02:49:31.760 --> 02:49:37.079 contact simulation theory, or cosmic consciousness. So they rhyme but 3060 02:49:37.200 --> 02:49:37.719 not the same. 3061 02:49:38.520 --> 02:49:40.159 Yeah, I just like that. 3062 02:49:40.239 --> 02:49:42.440 I like knowing that there's somewhat similar, you know, I'm 3063 02:49:42.719 --> 02:49:44.319 I actually kind of like that they're. 3064 02:49:44.159 --> 02:49:47.719 Not the same. I do because I mean because I 3065 02:49:47.760 --> 02:49:48.559 want to be surprised. 3066 02:49:50.639 --> 02:49:52.879 I want to be surprised whenever that time comes, you 3067 02:49:52.920 --> 02:49:54.200 know what I'm saying, Like I wanted to be a 3068 02:49:54.239 --> 02:49:55.840 once in a lifetime thing. 3069 02:49:56.559 --> 02:49:59.360 I mean, to show all their similarities makes it sound 3070 02:49:59.559 --> 02:50:02.719 like it's just a DMT trip when you die, right, 3071 02:50:02.760 --> 02:50:05.479 But then to hear their differences, then there are some 3072 02:50:05.680 --> 02:50:09.120 very nuanced differences here. It tells us that there's more 3073 02:50:09.200 --> 02:50:12.239 going on here. So I mean, there's a lot to 3074 02:50:12.239 --> 02:50:12.840 take in here. 3075 02:50:12.959 --> 02:50:16.040 Well, I also like that they are they're similar but 3076 02:50:16.120 --> 02:50:21.239 not the same, because whenever people are having near death experiences, 3077 02:50:21.440 --> 02:50:24.319 they say, well, oh, it's just DMT that's firing off. Well, 3078 02:50:24.319 --> 02:50:26.920 if it's just DMT firing off, you'd be experiencing the 3079 02:50:26.920 --> 02:50:31.000 same exact fucking thing. There wouldn't be any differences, right, Yeah, 3080 02:50:31.319 --> 02:50:32.639 So it can't just be that. 3081 02:50:33.920 --> 02:50:36.440 Now. I'm also wondering if that's because it's the DMT 3082 02:50:36.559 --> 02:50:40.719 that your body made for you right now, like to 3083 02:50:41.559 --> 02:50:45.319 the whim Hoff breathing exercises to give yourself a DMT trip. 3084 02:50:45.840 --> 02:50:49.200 I am curious if that is more closely related to 3085 02:50:49.239 --> 02:50:53.319 an NDE as opposed to outside DMT entering your body. 3086 02:50:53.399 --> 02:50:55.760 Now understand, chemically it breaks down the same. I'm with 3087 02:50:55.799 --> 02:50:59.159 that one hundred percent, but it's like, uh, how could 3088 02:50:59.159 --> 02:51:06.479 I put this. It's it's like wearing a tuxedo that 3089 02:51:06.760 --> 02:51:10.799 was made for somebody else that's kind of your size, 3090 02:51:11.000 --> 02:51:13.319 and it'll still fit you well and you can still 3091 02:51:13.360 --> 02:51:15.319 wear it to a wedding and it's all good, as 3092 02:51:15.360 --> 02:51:18.799 opposed to wearing a custom fit tux that was tailor 3093 02:51:18.840 --> 02:51:23.280 made for your specific body. Yes, I'm wondering if the 3094 02:51:23.840 --> 02:51:27.799 breathing exercise and meditation release of DMT. And I'm not 3095 02:51:27.840 --> 02:51:30.799 talking about like a euphorious sense for meditation. I mean, 3096 02:51:30.879 --> 02:51:35.200 like a true DMT trip from these exercises. How would 3097 02:51:35.200 --> 02:51:38.879 that differ from external DMT use, And how do both 3098 02:51:38.879 --> 02:51:42.639 of those differ from NDE And are they different or 3099 02:51:43.120 --> 02:51:47.159 are the similarities even more so, I'm you know, it's fascinating. 3100 02:51:47.200 --> 02:51:49.680 I mean, I don't think that you can overdose on DMT. 3101 02:51:50.360 --> 02:51:52.000 No, you can't. I mean, I guess you can go 3102 02:51:52.000 --> 02:51:53.680 to the other side a little too far and just 3103 02:51:53.799 --> 02:51:55.680 never really come out of it. But it's not like 3104 02:51:55.719 --> 02:51:57.040 you're gonna die from it, bro. 3105 02:51:57.159 --> 02:51:59.200 And you hear fucking stories about that. And to be honest, 3106 02:51:59.280 --> 02:52:01.200 that's what's scared the fuck out of me more than 3107 02:52:01.200 --> 02:52:03.840 anything was knowing that. Like whenever I was in the void, 3108 02:52:03.879 --> 02:52:06.840 I was like, oh my god, I fucking just broke it. Yeah, 3109 02:52:07.440 --> 02:52:11.719 and I'm done. I'm stuck here. That's that's the nightmare 3110 02:52:11.799 --> 02:52:15.920 of it. That because it is a possibility, not like 3111 02:52:16.120 --> 02:52:19.440 not very high odds of it happening, like it's happened 3112 02:52:19.920 --> 02:52:22.120 only a handful of times, I believe, Like it's not 3113 02:52:22.239 --> 02:52:24.879 something that's like one percent of all. No, it's not 3114 02:52:24.920 --> 02:52:29.040 even that. It's like so minute, the possibility, but even still, 3115 02:52:29.319 --> 02:52:32.399 just the just the fact that it fucking does happen 3116 02:52:32.959 --> 02:52:34.600 scared the ever living fuck out of me. 3117 02:52:35.719 --> 02:52:38.959 It's it's a wild, wild thing, dude, And I think 3118 02:52:39.040 --> 02:52:42.200 maybe one day I'll experience that. But I'm also not 3119 02:52:42.440 --> 02:52:45.079 like super excited to go do that like next week. 3120 02:52:45.120 --> 02:52:46.760 I'm you know, we'll see it. 3121 02:52:48.319 --> 02:52:52.200 When the time is right, it'll happen. I am planning 3122 02:52:52.280 --> 02:52:53.440 to go trip this weekend. 3123 02:52:53.680 --> 02:52:56.520 So word up. You are in the woods, go into 3124 02:52:56.559 --> 02:53:00.440 the desert. What you're doing? Ummmmm? I think are actually 3125 02:53:00.440 --> 02:53:03.520 going to a lake there you go. Yeah, so that'll 3126 02:53:03.559 --> 02:53:07.120 be fun. We're gonna go skywatching. 3127 02:53:08.360 --> 02:53:12.040 Ah, I try to have a little uh or experience 3128 02:53:12.079 --> 02:53:15.799 of the fifth kind? Is it possibly close encounter off kind? 3129 02:53:16.840 --> 02:53:19.600 There you go, maybe called out Affleaadians or something, get 3130 02:53:19.600 --> 02:53:20.159 a little weird. 3131 02:53:20.680 --> 02:53:22.239 I hope it goes well for you, dude. 3132 02:53:22.440 --> 02:53:26.280 Yeah, it'll be fun. But anyway, good cult members, let 3133 02:53:26.360 --> 02:53:28.639 us know what you think about all this. I mean, 3134 02:53:28.719 --> 02:53:30.920 what do you think about near death experiences? Do you 3135 02:53:31.000 --> 02:53:33.440 think this is just a hallucination? Do you think that 3136 02:53:33.479 --> 02:53:35.520 it's on some shit? I'm sure I could have done 3137 02:53:35.559 --> 02:53:38.040 a lot better if I wasn't sick and congested, and 3138 02:53:38.120 --> 02:53:40.639 I can't even fucking think and put words together right now. 3139 02:53:40.680 --> 02:53:43.399 I tried to do my very best with it. But 3140 02:53:44.079 --> 02:53:48.479 I think that anybody who's ever legitimately looked into near 3141 02:53:48.520 --> 02:53:52.319 death experiences and heard somebody's stories or read somebody's stories, 3142 02:53:53.440 --> 02:53:56.000 you don't forget it. You don't forget the feeling that 3143 02:53:56.040 --> 02:53:58.280 you had after you read or listened to the story, 3144 02:53:59.200 --> 02:54:02.639 because it's profound and it causes you to think, you 3145 02:54:02.680 --> 02:54:05.280 know what I mean, Like anybody who just listens to 3146 02:54:05.319 --> 02:54:08.440 that and just goes, eh, that's probably not real. Like 3147 02:54:09.639 --> 02:54:13.399 you're not giving it the credit that it deserves because 3148 02:54:13.600 --> 02:54:16.600 it is profound shit, no matter I mean, And it's 3149 02:54:16.600 --> 02:54:18.639 hard to compartmentalize it for a lot of people, and 3150 02:54:18.680 --> 02:54:21.000 so maybe that's why they would, you know, rather not. 3151 02:54:22.120 --> 02:54:23.879 And I'm not even sitting here to say that I 3152 02:54:24.239 --> 02:54:27.920 have I have correctly compartmentalized it, because I definitely haven't. 3153 02:54:28.000 --> 02:54:30.200 I still don't know what to do with it. I mean, 3154 02:54:30.600 --> 02:54:33.040 does it does it prove that we go to a 3155 02:54:33.120 --> 02:54:37.159 specific place? No, you know, does it prove that a 3156 02:54:37.319 --> 02:54:40.760 specific religion is the right one? No? You know what 3157 02:54:40.799 --> 02:54:42.840 I mean? Like, there's still a lot of very open 3158 02:54:42.920 --> 02:54:46.280 ended questions. But just the fact that it has happened 3159 02:54:46.760 --> 02:54:50.079 tens of thousands of documented times. That's just documented by 3160 02:54:50.079 --> 02:54:52.319 the way, right, and that's just over the last what 3161 02:54:52.600 --> 02:54:55.760 sixty years, fifty years something like that. I mean no 3162 02:54:55.920 --> 02:54:59.200 telling how many stories like this have, you know, stretched 3163 02:54:59.239 --> 02:55:02.079 all across humanity. Almost makes you wonder if animals happen. 3164 02:55:02.200 --> 02:55:03.840 Do you think animals got DMT? 3165 02:55:04.440 --> 02:55:07.120 Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean the same way they 3166 02:55:07.120 --> 02:55:11.239 have serotonin and dopamine. Their brains produce very similar chemicals 3167 02:55:11.239 --> 02:55:14.120 to ours, and I guess that varies animal to animal. 3168 02:55:14.319 --> 02:55:18.120 Mammals probably have a little closer to it than like reptiles, 3169 02:55:18.399 --> 02:55:21.319 but I mean reptiles might have a version of it. 3170 02:55:21.360 --> 02:55:21.760 I don't know. 3171 02:55:22.040 --> 02:55:25.120 Oh yeah, I've seen my dog like kicking and running 3172 02:55:25.159 --> 02:55:28.120 while he's dreaming, so that must be a DMT thing. 3173 02:55:28.799 --> 02:55:31.760 Absolutely good call members, Tell us what you think about this. 3174 02:55:32.319 --> 02:55:35.799 Do you think NDEs are just your brain firing off? 3175 02:55:35.840 --> 02:55:38.719 Do you think that it is just DMT? Do you 3176 02:55:38.760 --> 02:55:41.319 think that there is something about you piercing the veil 3177 02:55:41.399 --> 02:55:43.280 and looking on the other side of it, even for 3178 02:55:43.319 --> 02:55:46.760 a moment, only to return back to earth and you know, 3179 02:55:46.959 --> 02:55:49.719 restore your life to what it once was, tell us 3180 02:55:49.719 --> 02:55:51.719 what you think about it. That is the best way 3181 02:55:51.719 --> 02:55:53.520 to support the show. I will talk about that in 3182 02:55:53.520 --> 02:55:55.559 a moment, but before I do, another way that you 3183 02:55:55.600 --> 02:55:57.399 could support the show would be to go to the 3184 02:55:57.440 --> 02:56:00.840 link in the description below. 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Please at this 3207 02:56:52.280 --> 02:56:54.639 time hit the five starts at the shares of lif 3208 02:56:54.639 --> 02:56:56.680 suscribes comments like a post, reviews, shared it just for 3209 02:56:56.760 --> 02:56:58.680 the family shares. If we're here's the deal. The more 3210 02:56:58.719 --> 02:57:01.319 activity the algorithm seats across all of our listening platforms, 3211 02:57:01.399 --> 02:57:03.319 the more we get promoted to more potential listeners. Who 3212 02:57:03.319 --> 02:57:05.520 could that become potential cult members? Like there Steve, Fine, 3213 02:57:05.559 --> 02:57:07.360 ladies and gentlemen, why are you gonna go check out 3214 02:57:07.399 --> 02:57:08.920 Meta mysteries other till the show and get them the 3215 02:57:08.920 --> 02:57:10.479 same lever respect over there with the five star views 3216 02:57:10.520 --> 02:57:12.399 and the positivity in the comments. Come check out the 3217 02:57:12.440 --> 02:57:14.280 Cage to Night and come join each of us for 3218 02:57:14.399 --> 02:57:16.799 individual patrons, and we host every Wednesday night at nine 3219 02:57:16.799 --> 02:57:19.280 pm Central, And we thank you for everybody's already gone 3220 02:57:19.319 --> 02:57:19.680 and done so. 3221 02:57:20.000 --> 02:57:22.639 And I also want to say too, just before we 3222 02:57:22.639 --> 02:57:26.920 wrap it up, that if you enjoyed this kind of conversation. 3223 02:57:27.000 --> 02:57:29.920 We have these kinds of conversations all the time on 3224 02:57:30.000 --> 02:57:33.479 Meta Mysteries podcast. We're always diving into the spiritual, We're 3225 02:57:33.520 --> 02:57:36.600 always diving into the psychedelic. We're always diving into the 3226 02:57:36.600 --> 02:57:40.920 philosophical and the magical and every single thing in between. 3227 02:57:41.000 --> 02:57:43.000 We like to really try and figure out what the 3228 02:57:43.040 --> 02:57:46.200 hell is going on in this world, in this life, 3229 02:57:46.239 --> 02:57:48.920 in this existence, and we're trying to figure out not 3230 02:57:49.000 --> 02:57:55.000 ways to hack it, but maybe ways to optimize it. So, 3231 02:57:55.000 --> 02:57:56.680 so if you want to go check us out, we are. 3232 02:57:56.719 --> 02:57:58.600 We actually have a YouTube, so if you want to 3233 02:57:58.600 --> 02:58:00.040 be able to watch all the videos and everything, I 3234 02:58:00.040 --> 02:58:01.719 think you can go check out our YouTube. We're not 3235 02:58:01.920 --> 02:58:04.079 worried about being banned over there because we don't talk 3236 02:58:04.120 --> 02:58:09.159 about political suicidal two shots to the back of the 3237 02:58:09.159 --> 02:58:13.399 head kind of thing. It's a little bit more acceptable 3238 02:58:13.440 --> 02:58:17.879 I guess on YouTube algorithms. Uh so, yeah, we're on YouTube. 3239 02:58:17.959 --> 02:58:20.680 Check us out at TikTok, Instagram, those kind of places. 3240 02:58:20.959 --> 02:58:24.920 And also you'll see that every Monday and Friday we 3241 02:58:25.000 --> 02:58:27.520 do have shows that are dropping on the Cult of Conspiracy. 3242 02:58:27.559 --> 02:58:29.680 If you want to get those shows a day sooner, 3243 02:58:29.959 --> 02:58:32.680 then go listen to them over at Meta Mysteries Podcast 3244 02:58:32.719 --> 02:58:35.879 on the Meta Mystery Meta Mysteries platform if you're listening 3245 02:58:35.920 --> 02:58:38.159 on Spotify or Apple, But if you want to get 3246 02:58:38.159 --> 02:58:40.799 access to the shows even sooner than that, then you 3247 02:58:40.799 --> 02:58:43.360 would go over to Patreon where it's completely commercial free. 3248 02:58:43.399 --> 02:58:45.680 And we also have a live show every Wednesday night. 3249 02:58:46.479 --> 02:58:48.559 We call it Wonder Wizday. If you want to get 3250 02:58:48.559 --> 02:58:50.719 real weird with all of the other one, that's what 3251 02:58:50.760 --> 02:58:53.520 we call our listeners over there. So yeah, just go 3252 02:58:53.639 --> 02:58:56.879 check it out. I mean, it's it's it's a fun time, dude, 3253 02:58:56.879 --> 02:58:59.559 if you're interested in, you know, just the weirdness of 3254 02:58:59.600 --> 02:59:03.680 this can matrix or the simulation or dream or whatever 3255 02:59:03.760 --> 02:59:06.000 it is. So yeah, we appreciate everybody that's gone and 3256 02:59:06.040 --> 02:59:09.280 checked out that show. It's a passion project, just like 3257 02:59:09.360 --> 02:59:11.479 this one. And they were both gone out of love 3258 02:59:12.040 --> 02:59:14.600 and uh so we appreciate everybody that's gone and checked 3259 02:59:14.600 --> 02:59:17.000 this out over there. But with that the except this 3260 02:59:17.319 --> 02:59:21.280 was another beautiful episode of the Cult of Conspiracy. 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