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<v Speaker 1>Crack and open a cold Sadi pop. You ready for this?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a fun one, this is a weird one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an audiobook mixtape for you. Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, it's the librarian who smells like vanilla extract

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<v Speaker 1>and never judges you for your queries. Ali ward and

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<v Speaker 1>come take a seat fireside for this. This is our

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<v Speaker 1>third ever audio book mixtape, wherein we read you excerpts

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<v Speaker 1>from books written by beloved ologists that you already know.

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<v Speaker 1>So the holidays are upon us. Gift lists are full

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<v Speaker 1>of bullshit, so maybe get a loved one. The magic

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<v Speaker 1>of knowledge, perhaps about how to build a bathouse, or

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous thoughts on animal crossings if you have ADHD, the

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<v Speaker 1>flies that make your birthday cake even better, strapping machines

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<v Speaker 1>to your brain, the dark secrets that America is built on,

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<v Speaker 1>and how to cultivate hope for the future. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we crack the spine of these impressive works of nonfiction,

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<v Speaker 1>dlight Ology. I present as a grumpy, unwashed, fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>out my inner rainbow butterfly and I flit about giggling

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time I listen. So informative, is so funny,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely adorable. Liz Fan sixty seven, You've never looked better.

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<v Speaker 1>making these appetizer platter of books for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So onto this wonderful milage.

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<v Speaker 1>Of book excerpts to what your appetite, fill your shopping list,

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<v Speaker 1>and expand your brain a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>As I read some to you with my mouth, It's

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm reading a book.

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<v Speaker 1>Tuck in and open your ears for audiobook mixtape number three. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this first one is from an episode that was clearly

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating in its transparency and intrigue. So what if you

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<v Speaker 1>could cruise through life and subway turnstiles without anyone detecting you?

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<v Speaker 1>How far are we from that? And can it happen soon?

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<v Speaker 1>So that I can be a stowaway on a first

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<v Speaker 1>class flo to an island. Get a gander at the

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<v Speaker 1>writing of our Invisible Photology guest doctor Greggebor, who wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty three book Invisibility, The History and Science

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<v Speaker 1>of How Not To Be Seen, So he chose this

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<v Speaker 1>nippet for me to read. Okay. The announcement in the

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<v Speaker 1>year two thousand of a perfect lens made of artificial

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<v Speaker 1>materials not found in nature, now called mena materials could

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<v Speaker 1>be said to mark an entirely new era in optical physics.

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<v Speaker 1>For the entire history of natural inquiry, scientists and natural

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<v Speaker 1>philosophers had been asking what is light and what can

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<v Speaker 1>light do? With the introduction of meta materials, researchers were

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<v Speaker 1>now asking how can we make light do whatever we

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<v Speaker 1>more like guidelines. This naturally led many researchers to wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what else can we do with such materials. One answer,

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<v Speaker 1>as we now see, was design a cloak of invisibility.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was from doctor Greg Goebor's Invisibility The History

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<v Speaker 1>and Science of How Not to Be Seen, and unlike

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<v Speaker 1>do that now if only a moose could lope into

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<v Speaker 1>a bass Pro shop and buy an invisibility cloak. Although, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to cars and collisions, some wildlife does

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<v Speaker 1>not need invisibility tech because we're watching tiktoks as we drive.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had a recent episode on Roadkill with author

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<v Speaker 1>How roade ecology is shaping the future of our planet.

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<v Speaker 2>And we got to talk to him a.

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<v Speaker 1>Few weeks ago, but we missed so much of what's

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about bears, boneyards, how roads bisected wetlands, how

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<v Speaker 1>My own introduction to rhodocology came in twenty thirteen, the

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<v Speaker 1>year that I embarked on a trip across the continent

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<v Speaker 1>to write about an extraordinary scheme called the Yellowstone to

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<v Speaker 1>Yukon Conservation Initiative. The goal of Yellowstone to Yukon, or

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<v Speaker 1>Why to Why is boggling Its advocates envision and network

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<v Speaker 1>of connected habitats that would permit animals to wander unhindered

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<v Speaker 1>five American states and four Canadian provinces and territories. Such

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<v Speaker 1>a corridor would preserve migration routes for elk and caribou,

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<v Speaker 1>permit far ranging creatures such as wolves to mingle and mate,

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<v Speaker 1>and help sensitive animals like woolverraines flee northward as climate

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<v Speaker 1>change nips at their heels. The initiative's emblem is the grizzly,

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<v Speaker 1>whose expansive requirements make it a useful proxy for other

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<v Speaker 1>forms of life. An ecosystem that can support bearers is

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<v Speaker 1>probably healthy enough for everyone else. To the uninitiated, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounded far fetched. Soon after Yellowstone to Yukon's inception, the

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<v Speaker 1>West Wing peried it as the Wolve's only roadway, the

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<v Speaker 1>vanity project of humorless tree huggers who get left out

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<v Speaker 1>of the White House. But the show's writers, like most

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<v Speaker 1>of Wide o Wi's critics, misunderstood the concept. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't a discreete pathway. It was a continental jigsaw

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<v Speaker 1>riddled with missing pieces, most of them at the fragile

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<v Speaker 1>margins where wild lands and settlements collided. The mission of

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<v Speaker 1>Wide to Wye and its many partners was to plug

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<v Speaker 1>those holes to help bearers and other animals safely navigate

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<v Speaker 1>the rockies without running a foul of humans. In British Columbia,

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<v Speaker 1>I toured protected grain fields that grizzlies used to commute

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<v Speaker 1>between mountain ranges at night. In Montana, I sniffed offal

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<v Speaker 1>in an electric fenced paddock where ranchers were composting their

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<v Speaker 1>enticing boneyards. Few travelers human or ursine can resist fast food,

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<v Speaker 1>Yet Wideawi's deepest cuts remained mostly unhealed. The region was

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<v Speaker 1>riven by enough numbered roads to Fillisidoku puzzle I ninety

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<v Speaker 1>forty and twelve and two twelve spiderwebbed otherwise wild lands.

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<v Speaker 1>I drove highways that ended lives. I lost track of

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<v Speaker 1>how many elk littered the shoulder on Crow's Nest Pass,

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<v Speaker 1>and others that cleaved grizzly populations into lonely clusters. Roads

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<v Speaker 1>I began to realize were not merely a symptom of civilization,

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<v Speaker 2>Among the roads.

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<v Speaker 1>Within the Wide to Wi corridors ambit was US ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>which traverses Montana on its thirteen hundred mile jaunt from

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona to the Canadian border. Like so many highways, US

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three had been built heedlessly in the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>plowing through wetlands, elk meadows, and a vast reservation belonging

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<v Speaker 1>to the Confederated Elk Meadows and the vast reservation belonging

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<v Speaker 1>to the Confederated Salish and Kutene tribes. When in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties, state and federal agencies sought to expand US

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three from two lanes to four, tribal officials demanded

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<v Speaker 1>the chance to provide input on the reconstruction. A wider,

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<v Speaker 1>faster road might be safer for drivers, but it would

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<v Speaker 1>also slaughter more deer, elk, bears, and other animals. Foundational

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<v Speaker 1>to the tribe's culture, the road is a visitor. The

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<v Speaker 1>tribes insisted that should respond to and be respectful of

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<v Speaker 1>the land and the spirit of place. The Salish and

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<v Speaker 1>Koutene flexed their legal and moral muscles, and when US

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three was finally reconstructed, engineers included around forty wildlife crossings,

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<v Speaker 1>a network of underpasses, tunnels, and culverts that allowed animals

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<v Speaker 1>to slink beneath the highway unimpeded. Roadside fencing kept creatures

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<v Speaker 1>off the highway and guided them toward the passages. The

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<v Speaker 1>project's flagship structure was an elegant bridge designed principally for

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<v Speaker 1>that avatar of wildness. The grizzly bear. In aerial photos.

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<v Speaker 1>The overpass looked at once futuristic and anachronistic, a green

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<v Speaker 1>parabola that vaulted over the highway with Middle Earthish grace.

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<v Speaker 1>If roads were a disease, wildlife crossings seemed like a treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>So our darling, dashing and vulnerable critters need you to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe slow down, especially during this time of year when

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<v Speaker 1>collisions with wildlife are most common. So be especially vigilant

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<v Speaker 1>at night because you don't want animals to have a

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<v Speaker 1>funeral because of you, or your relatives to have your funeral.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to get too dark, but yes, you can see

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<v Speaker 1>the road Ecology episode for more. So let's move along

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<v Speaker 1>to two kid friendly books for the wee ones on

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<v Speaker 1>your list. So the first comes to you from Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>written by wildlife biologist mister Al Troutman, who you may

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<v Speaker 1>have heard in twenty twenties Black af in stem episode

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<v Speaker 1>about black Birders Week, and Al has written numerous field

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<v Speaker 1>guides for kids and adults of places like Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, and now Georgia. So Al Alex is just

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful guy. He's hilarious and kind and a dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>nature nerd with a really warm heart. And his latest

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<v Speaker 1>release is just a few months old, Critters of Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>Pocket Guide to Animals in your State, which features photos

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<v Speaker 1>and really fascinating info of local fauna. So here's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit from that which I think you will like, he writes.

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<v Speaker 1>My passion for nature started when I was young. I

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<v Speaker 1>was always amazed by the sunlit fiery glow of the

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<v Speaker 1>red tailed hawks as a sword overhead when I went

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<v Speaker 1>fishing with my family. The red tailed hawk was my

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<v Speaker 1>spark bird, the bird that captures your attention and gets

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<v Speaker 1>you into birding. Through many encounters with red tailed hawks

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<v Speaker 1>and other species like garter's aches and coyotes, I found

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<v Speaker 1>a passion for nature and the environment. Stumbling across conservationists

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<v Speaker 1>like Steve Irwin and Jeff Corwin and Jack Hannah introduced

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<v Speaker 1>me to the field of wildlife biology as a career

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<v Speaker 1>and gave birth to a dream that I was to

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<v Speaker 1>accomplish and live out, serving as a fish and wildlife

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<v Speaker 1>biologist for government agencies as well as in the private sector.

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<v Speaker 1>My childhood dream was driven by a desire to learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about the different types of ecosystems and the animals

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<v Speaker 1>that call our wild places home. Books and field guides

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<v Speaker 1>like this wet my thirst for knowledge. Even before I

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<v Speaker 1>could fully understand the words on the pages, I was

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<v Speaker 1>drawn to books and flash cards that had animals on them.

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<v Speaker 1>I could soon identify every animal I was shown and.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell a fact about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that this edition of Crutters of Georgia can

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<v Speaker 1>be the fuel that sustains your passion for not only

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<v Speaker 1>learning about wildlife, but also for caring for the environment

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<v Speaker 1>and making sure that all are welcome in the outdoors.

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<v Speaker 1>For others, May this book be the spark that ignites

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<v Speaker 1>a flame for wildlife preservation and environmental stewardship. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>that this book inspires children from lower socioeconomic and minority

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<v Speaker 1>backgrounds to pursue their dreams to the fullest and be

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<v Speaker 1>unapologetically themselves. By a profession, I'm a fish and wildlife biologist,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a nature enthusiast through and through my love

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<v Speaker 1>for nature includes making sure that everyone has an equal

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<v Speaker 1>your discoveries, and stay curious Alex Trautman, he writes of Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>So that was from Critters.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Georgia written by Alex Trautman, who has an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>which are the focus of fieldwork for doctor Terra Stowinsky,

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<v Speaker 1>who you may remember from the Gorilla Ology episode. So

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote a book called The Fantastic World of Monkeys

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<v Speaker 1>and Apes and more, and educational children's primate book featuring gorillas, lemurs, orangutans, babboons,

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<v Speaker 1>chimpanzees and more, a Wonderful Primates book for jungle loving kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And doctor Stewinsky is the president and the CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>the Diane Fossey Gorilla Fund, which is a gorilla conservatory

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<v Speaker 1>So here some monkey and ape facts that you can

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<v Speaker 1>Much thicker to keep them warm in snowy environments. They're

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<v Speaker 1>like as big as a car tire. Moving on to bonobos.

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<v Speaker 1>of Congo, and her book doesn't say this, but I

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<v Speaker 1>hear that they're very horny. So there's a book that

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<v Speaker 1>gives you a peek into what it's like to howl

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe eat bugs off the scalp of your best friend,

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<v Speaker 1>and play around with snowballs, because as a monkey you

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<v Speaker 1>have snowball fights. How can you be a human ape?

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<v Speaker 1>And play Forever. I don't know. Ask ginicular traumatology guest

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<v Speaker 1>and orthopedic surgeon doctor Kevin Stone, who fixed Jarrett's shredded

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<v Speaker 1>ACL a few years ago. So he's like a well

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<v Speaker 1>regarded wizard of sports injuries and creaky knees. And his

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<v Speaker 1>book is called Play Forever, How to Recover from Injury

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<v Speaker 1>and Thrive, And he gives us kind of a gentle

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<v Speaker 1>for our mental health, and also to reduce the costs

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<v Speaker 1>of fixing a shredded ACL. I'm just going to lay

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<v Speaker 1>book sooner. To be honest, let's hear some he writes

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<v Speaker 1>the obvious lesson. We defeat ourselves far more often than

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<v Speaker 1>our opponents defeat us. Unforced errors in tennis are not

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<v Speaker 2>They pervade sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the best coaching, phenomenal physical training, fitness, vast sums

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<v Speaker 1>of money, and even decades of experience, we often remain

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<v Speaker 1>our own worst enemies. The patterns that serve or obstruct

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<v Speaker 1>even great athletes are often learned on children's playgrounds, on

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<v Speaker 1>youth teams, and through parenting. The phenomenal success of players

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<v Speaker 1>such as Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, and Serena Williams are

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<v Speaker 1>brought to a stop by psychological weaknesses distraction that cause

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<v Speaker 1>them to lose their swing, their temper, or their confidence

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<v Speaker 1>despite seeming at the top of their game. Federer, Woods,

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<v Speaker 1>and Williams were coached to stunning physical success but left

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<v Speaker 1>mentally exposed consistently. The one weakness that is most difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to fix in athletes lies in the mind itself. Mental conditioning,

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<v Speaker 1>the approach to an injury and its recovery, the overcoming

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<v Speaker 1>We can work on these issues, and many doctors and

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<v Speaker 1>mental empowerment coaches are successful at it. The first step,

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<v Speaker 1>body and mind are irrevocably linked. This does not only

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<v Speaker 1>A brain is attached to each body. I repair this

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<v Speaker 1>of the importance of mental processes as they relate to treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>The mental health of an injured patient brings another dimension

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<v Speaker 1>our daily mental health defines what our body is able

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve. Naomi Osaka poignantly brought this to light in

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<v Speaker 1>her refusal to undergo the ritual press conference drilling in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty one French Open. Over decades of practicing medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>I have identified particular mental qualities that enable people to shine,

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<v Speaker 1>a good place to start this book in the unseen

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<v Speaker 1>and often underappreciated aspect of fitness and health that can

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<v Speaker 1>ensure you play forever and play well. These eight mental

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<v Speaker 1>fitness objectives are competitiveness, grit, attention, fantasy, patience, acceptance, grace

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<v Speaker 1>and kindness, and competency. While these qualities are what take

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<v Speaker 1>of your life. So pay attention to your own mental

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<v Speaker 1>game on the court or the playfield or the race course,

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<v Speaker 1>Strengthening each of these qualities is the cornerstone of fitness,

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<v Speaker 1>so don't ignore your noggins. People Now on the topic

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<v Speaker 1>of playing, but maybe in a less active way, like

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<v Speaker 1>and friendships. So if you're looking for a dose of

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<v Speaker 1>hope from someone who has a PhD in it, She

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<v Speaker 1>recently came out with a book called Imaginable, How to

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<v Speaker 1>before we start your imagination training, I want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>expect that most of us will dramatically rethink and reinvent

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<v Speaker 1>of one to ten. One is almost everything stays the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten is almost everything will be dramatically different. Question number two,

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<v Speaker 1>Rate your outlook on a scale one to ten. One

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<v Speaker 1>control or influence. So these three questions give you a

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<v Speaker 1>three parts of the book is specifically designed to increase

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<v Speaker 1>your or on one of these questions by at least

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<v Speaker 1>one point. First, we're going to focus on the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for rethinking and reinventing. Why rethinking and reinventing, Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the dramatically different stuff that catches us off guard, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to spend time getting ready for the futures

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<v Speaker 1>that will feel stranger and less familiar. Focusing on rethinking

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<v Speaker 1>and reinventing also puts us in a better position to

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<v Speaker 1>help decide how the future will be different. Having lived

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of our lives that almost anything can

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<v Speaker 1>change virtually overnight, for worse or for better. We know

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<v Speaker 2>This gives us a collective.

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<v Speaker 1>Power of imagination unprecedented in human history. We need to

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<v Speaker 1>use this moment strategically and creatively. Second, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>help you create a more balanced mindset between hopes and

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<v Speaker 1>we call this using your positive imagination and your shadow imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>It builds confidence that the future will be better. Shadow

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<v Speaker 1>imagination ask the question, what's something bad that could happen?

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<v Speaker 1>And it builds readiness to face future challenges. So, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>your instinctive feelings are about the future right now, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>benefit from cultivating at least a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>flip side feeling. So I'll teach you imagination techniques that

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<v Speaker 1>help you see both sides of the future. The risks

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<v Speaker 1>that it makes sense to worry about, and the opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>that are cause for optimism. Just note that wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>are right now in your outlook on the future is fine,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're super worried, super optimistic, or somewhere in between.

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<v Speaker 1>Be ready to stretch your imagination in the opposite direction

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<v Speaker 1>so you can hold both hopes and worries in mind

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. As you develop your positive and

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<v Speaker 1>shadow imagination, you might be surprised to find seeing risks

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<v Speaker 1>more clearly and defining your worries more concretely can actually

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<v Speaker 1>help you feel more hopeful. As you get better at

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<v Speaker 1>anticipating global challenges, you'll feel more optimistic overall. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>good reason for this paradox. You're increasing your awareness not

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<v Speaker 1>just of what might go wrong, but also of the

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<v Speaker 1>bold plans and innovative solutions that are already being enistioned

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<v Speaker 1>and implemented. And deep down you know that you're putting

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in a stronger position to help yourself and others

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<v Speaker 1>by seriously imagining a future crisis instead of denying that

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<v Speaker 1>it could ever happen. Finally, we'll focus on building your

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<v Speaker 1>confidence and how much influence you have to help determine

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<v Speaker 1>how the future turns out. So this book is more

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<v Speaker 1>than just anticipating the future. It's about acting to create

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<v Speaker 1>the future. You want healthier, safer, more just more sustainable,

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<v Speaker 1>more beautiful, more equitable. So that is a book on

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<v Speaker 1>how to hope for the future by doctor Jane McGonagall.

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<v Speaker 1>And what else is in store for us in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe some wearable tech that reads our dang minds. So

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Nita Farhani of the Neurotechnology which was the AI

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<v Speaker 1>and Brain Tech episode, wrote this book called The Battle

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<v Speaker 1>for Your Brain, Defending the right to think freely in

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<v Speaker 1>the Age of Neurotechnology, And she tells us about wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a brain scanner device just casually connected to a phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh hi, the future. I didn't realize that you were

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<v Speaker 1>standing right there, So she writes, I'm trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>the birds to sing. If I can calm my mind

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<v Speaker 1>just enough, they will sing. Though I've tried to convince

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<v Speaker 1>my children otherwise. I don't have magical powers. I'm wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a simple headband embedded with electrodes that detect my brain

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<v Speaker 1>wave activity and send it via bluetooth to an application

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<v Speaker 1>on my iPhone. Brain waves the oscillating electrical voltages in

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<v Speaker 1>your brain are small in size, just a few millions

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<v Speaker 1>of a vault, but they reveal a lot about the

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<v Speaker 1>inner workings of your mind. When I relax into a

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<v Speaker 1>meditative state, my alpha brain wave activity rises, and the

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<v Speaker 1>app rewards me with the sound of singing birds. This

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<v Speaker 1>neurofeedback technique has proven powerful in preventing the migrain attacks

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<v Speaker 1>that have dogged me since childhood. Having used the device

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<v Speaker 1>a number of times, I know how to increase my

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<v Speaker 1>alpha waves, the pattern of electrical activity produced by the

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<v Speaker 1>brain when you're feeling calm and peaceful, and reduce my

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<v Speaker 1>beta wave activity, the higher speed brain waves that occur

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<v Speaker 1>when you're wide awake and thinking. I focus on a

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<v Speaker 1>happy memory. My eldest daughter, Aristella, is just three years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are hiking as a family to a waterfall

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<v Speaker 1>in the mountains of North Carolina. The season is late fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Afternoon sun glistens through the trees still dotted with red

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<v Speaker 1>and orange. As we crunch through the fallen leaves beneath

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<v Speaker 1>our feet, I can almost feel the sun on my

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<v Speaker 1>face and hear the water gurgling over water worn rocks.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, I hear our Stellus peals of laughter

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<v Speaker 1>as she raises a leaf downstream against one tossed in

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<v Speaker 1>by my husband. Feed Sure, the app confirms that my

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<v Speaker 1>brain is responding. Whether we're meditating, doing a math calculation,

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<v Speaker 1>we're calling a phone number, or browsing through our mental

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<v Speaker 1>thesaurus for just the right word. Neurons are firing in

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<v Speaker 1>our brains, creating minuscule electrical discharges. When a mental state

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<v Speaker 1>like relaxation or stress is dominant, hundreds and thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>neurons are firing in characteristic patterns that can be measured

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<v Speaker 1>with an electrocephalogram or EEG. Scientists used to have to

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<v Speaker 1>place electrodes directly on the periostium, the inner layer of

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<v Speaker 1>the scalp, to pick up brain waves, and the proceed

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<v Speaker 1>required surgery under anesthesia and carried risks including fever, infection,

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<v Speaker 1>and leaking brain fluid. Today, the electrodes can be placed

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<v Speaker 1>externally on the forehead or the surface of the scalp.

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<v Speaker 1>EEG devices detect and record brain waves in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>cycles per second known as hertz alpha waves. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>clock in it at the eight to thirteen hertz range. Had

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to, I also could have placed electrodes over

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<v Speaker 1>the muscles on my body to measure the signals I

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<v Speaker 1>sent to them while I was meditating. Our brains are

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<v Speaker 1>constantly transmitting signals to our peripheral nervous system, the parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the nervous system beyond the brain and the spinal cord.

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<v Speaker 1>Electromiography or EMG, can be used to detect the electrical

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<v Speaker 1>activity in response to a nerve's stimulation of the muscle

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<v Speaker 1>in millivolts ranging from zero to ten millivolts. Together, EEG

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<v Speaker 1>and EMG give us a window on what our brain

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<v Speaker 1>is up to at any given moment, including the instructions

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<v Speaker 1>it's sending to.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of the body.

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<v Speaker 1>Our use of EG and EMG draws on discoveries made

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<v Speaker 1>by two Italian scientists in the late seventeen hundreds regarding

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<v Speaker 1>the electric battery and bioelectric activity in the body. More

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<v Speaker 1>recent technological leaps in neuroscience and artificial intelligence have converged

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<v Speaker 1>to give us consumer neurotech devices, a catch all term

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<v Speaker 1>for gadgets that connect human brains to computers and the

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<v Speaker 1>ever more sophisticated algorithms that allow those computers to analyze

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<v Speaker 1>the data they receive at first, neuroscientists rightly dismissed all

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<v Speaker 1>these consumer devices as inaccurate and unvalidated, little better than toys.

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<v Speaker 1>But as both the hardware and software improved, consumer neurotech

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<v Speaker 1>became more accurate and harder to dismiss. The average tech

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<v Speaker 1>saving person can now see their emotions and arousal and alertness,

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<v Speaker 1>and track how efficiently they are meditating. Personal neurotech devices

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<v Speaker 1>are just one part of the growth category of wearable tech,

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<v Speaker 1>which allows the average technophile to quantify their bodily functions.

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<v Speaker 1>The category is so popular that as of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly one out of every five Americans was using one.

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<v Speaker 1>There are more than three hundred thousand different mobile health

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<v Speaker 1>apps available worldwide, a number that's doubled in just five years,

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<v Speaker 1>with an estimated market value surpassing one hundred billion dollars globally.

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<v Speaker 1>The market for neurotechnology is growing at a compounded annual

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<v Speaker 1>rate of twelve percent and is expected to reach twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one billion dollars by twenty twenty six. Consumers can see

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<v Speaker 1>graphic displays of their brain activity in real time DELTA,

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<v Speaker 1>which is dreamless sleep, theta deep relaxation, daydreaming inwardly focused, alpha,

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<v Speaker 1>very relaxed, taking a break, meditating, beta, aroused, engaged, stressed,

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<v Speaker 1>and gamma concentrating waves, as well as patterns of blood

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<v Speaker 1>flow in their brains and even bioelect changes in their muscles.

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<v Speaker 1>Self tracking is far more than a fad. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>new way of living and thinking about ourselves. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was from Doctor Nita for Honey's The Battle for Your Brain,

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<v Speaker 1>Defending the right to think freely in the age of neurotechnology.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the topic of your brain and mind, let's

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<v Speaker 1>learn a little more about ADHD. Shall we y'all loved

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<v Speaker 1>the Attention deficit Neuropsychology episode with Global ADHD expert doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Barkley, who's written so many books on the topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Most notable, perhaps is the updated edition of Taking Charge

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<v Speaker 1>of Adult ADHD. Proven strategies to succeed at work, at home,

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<v Speaker 1>and in relationships. But how do you know if it's ADHD?

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<v Speaker 1>That is the biggest question I feel like I hear

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<v Speaker 1>from listeners. So doctor Barkley gives us some examples of

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<v Speaker 1>the patience he might see. There's a funny thing about ADHD.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps because its impact on achievement is so well known,

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<v Speaker 1>many people blame the disorder when they don't meet their

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<v Speaker 1>own standard for accomplishment. Do any of these people sound

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<v Speaker 1>like you. Joe decided to become a doctor when he

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<v Speaker 1>was in high school, so he chose a college with

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<v Speaker 1>a great biology department and a high rate of admission

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<v Speaker 1>to medical schools. He got into that university only on

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<v Speaker 1>the waiting list, but at least he got in once

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<v Speaker 1>he was there, though, every science course was a struggle

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<v Speaker 1>for him. By junior year, his GPA was hovering under

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<v Speaker 1>three point zero and he had already taken organic chemistry

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<v Speaker 1>three times without passing.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe started to wonder what in the world was wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with him.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked so hard, he wanted this so badly, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was just as intelligent as an ex guy, wasn't he.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Joe had graduated from college and taken

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<v Speaker 1>the MCAT with disappointing results, he was convinced there was

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<v Speaker 1>something really wrong with him. An awful lot of his

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<v Speaker 1>fellow students seemed to have glided along the path that

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<v Speaker 1>Joe had carved out for himself, yet he was stalled.

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<v Speaker 1>It was looking like he might never get into medical school,

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<v Speaker 1>so Joe decided to have himself evaluated for ADHD. More

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<v Speaker 1>he read about it, the more he thought this explained

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<v Speaker 1>his whole problem. The evaluator disagreed, so did the one

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<v Speaker 1>from whom Joe sought a second opinion, and then a third.

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie fell into a similar trap. Identified as gifted when

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<v Speaker 1>she was young, she had been brought up to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that she should be gifted in doing just about everything

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<v Speaker 1>in life. When Carrie started hopping from one type of

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<v Speaker 1>job to another after college, she and her family decided

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<v Speaker 1>she might have ADHD, which was the only explanation they

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<v Speaker 1>could come up with for why she kept failing at

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<v Speaker 1>jobs that should, according to her IQ, be a snap

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<v Speaker 1>for her. As it turned out, ADHD wasn't the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>but anxiety was. Carrie didn't like to admit that she

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<v Speaker 1>found herself almost paralyzed by fear when she started a

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<v Speaker 1>new job, and that this made it really hard for

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<v Speaker 1>her to concentrate on our work. Fortunately, the evaluator from

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<v Speaker 1>whom she sought a diagnosis of ADHD discovered the real

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<v Speaker 1>problem and was able to refer her to a therapist

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<v Speaker 1>who specialized in anxiety disorders. This therapist offered not only

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<v Speaker 1>treatment and coping strategies, but helped Carrie accept her diagnosis

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<v Speaker 1>without shame. Cal didn't have any particular reason, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just not a Q score or comparison to a peer group,

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<v Speaker 1>for believing that he had ADHD other than that he

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<v Speaker 1>was currently in a dead end job, changed jobs often

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<v Speaker 1>and impulsively, and had very few friends.

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<v Speaker 2>And no girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>He believed his life should be different and had apparently

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<v Speaker 1>cast around over the years for an explanation for why

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. My colleagues and I have seen numerous people

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<v Speaker 1>like Cal who simply feel that if they're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>what they want out of life, there must be some

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<v Speaker 1>psychological deficit at work. None of us can explain this phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost the opposite of the TV singing contest shows,

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<v Speaker 1>where the contesting clearly can't stay on key and yet

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<v Speaker 1>believes rigidly that she's destined for vocal stardom. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>the person believes he cannot perform well in life, when

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<v Speaker 1>in fact he does perform as well as most people,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's not up to his own internal standard.

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<v Speaker 1>To adopt a standard for defining the term impairment other

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<v Speaker 1>than comparison with the true norm is like something out

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<v Speaker 1>of Alice in wonderland where nothing is as it seems,

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<v Speaker 1>and words can have whatever meaning one wishes to give them.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying that a person functioning as well as or even

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<v Speaker 1>better than the average or typical population yet can still

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<v Speaker 1>be impaired makes a mockery of the term disorder and

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<v Speaker 1>does a disservice to those struggling with really not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to function as well as the norm. If the

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<v Speaker 1>professional says you do not have ADHD, any of the

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<v Speaker 1>following could be responsible for ADHD like symptoms, like being

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<v Speaker 1>over the age of five or perimenopausal. When increased forgetfulness, distractability,

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<v Speaker 1>and disorganization are normal recent medical problems such as thyroid dysfunction,

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<v Speaker 1>sleep disorder, or apnea or strep throat, though this particular

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<v Speaker 1>connection is rare. Excessive recreational drug use like marijuana, alcohol, cocaine, methamphetamine,

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<v Speaker 1>and so on, which can result in attention, memory, and

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<v Speaker 1>organizational problems unusual stress, though the ADHD like symptoms would

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<v Speaker 1>then be temporary or injury to the regions of the

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<v Speaker 1>brain responsible for sustained attention, behavioral inhibition, working memory, and

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<v Speaker 1>emotional self control. Any of these possible cost is should

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<v Speaker 1>have been uncovered by the evaluation and the practitioner should

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<v Speaker 1>refer you to the appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>Professionals to follow up on them.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are explanations for why people may not have ADHD.

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<v Speaker 1>But get yourself to the three part episode we did

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<v Speaker 1>on ADHD, which is linked on our website. It'll be

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<v Speaker 1>at Alleyward dot com slash ologies slash Bookworm three. But

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<v Speaker 1>you do not have to remember that it's linked in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes. So see those episodes about what it's

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<v Speaker 1>like to have ADHD, where it comes from, therapies, all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of studies on that with doctor Russell Barkley. But

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<v Speaker 1>his book is Taking Charge of Adult ADHD. So if

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<v Speaker 1>that's adding up, see a doc speaking of a edition.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey is math reel? It's not a not smart question,

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<v Speaker 1>so says doctor Eugenia Chang of the Abstract Mathematology episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So she wrote this book is Mathreel? How simple questions

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<v Speaker 1>lead us to mathematics deepest truths. And let's just shoot

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<v Speaker 1>out of the gate with an excerpt from her introduction

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<v Speaker 1>in which I learned that we have the same hairstylist.

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<v Speaker 1>She writes, When I was in school, one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite classes was one in which we made stuffed animals.

651
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<v Speaker 1>I made a fluffy poodle and a sleeping puppy with soft,

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<v Speaker 1>velvety ears. I love the whole process, from cutting out

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<v Speaker 1>the pieces, seeing how they miraculously fit together to make

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<v Speaker 1>it animal, and sewing them together, to the magical moment

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<v Speaker 1>of turning the whole thing inside out, and the joy

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<v Speaker 1>of stuffing it so that it seemed to come alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Why make a stuffed animal when you can just buy one?

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<v Speaker 1>Why make anything yourself when you can just get it

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<v Speaker 1>ready made instead? Sometimes it's because the ones we make

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves are better. I find homemade cakes much more delicious

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<v Speaker 1>than store bought ones, But sometimes the things we make

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves aren't objectively better. I enjoy playing the piano, although

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear much better performances if I put on

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<v Speaker 1>a recording or go to a concert. I even enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally making my own clothes, although they're far from perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's because it's cheaper. It's much cheaper for me

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<v Speaker 1>to cut my own hair, so I do, even though

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<v Speaker 1>a professional haircut would look better. But often it's just

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<v Speaker 1>satisfying to make something yourself. This is true for me

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<v Speaker 1>for food, music, clothes, but different people find different things

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<v Speaker 1>satisfying Another variation on this theme is the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>climbing a rock face just with your bare hands. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>climbing Mount Everest without oxygen also not for me, or

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<v Speaker 1>rowing across the Atlantic I'll pass on that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Or perhaps it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like going on a camping expedition where you carry everything

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<v Speaker 1>on your back, including your food and your tent, so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can spend a little while being self sufficient

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<v Speaker 1>out in the wild. For me, math is also about

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<v Speaker 1>making something myself. It's about making truth myself. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>being self sufficient out in the wild world of ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>This to me is an immensely exciting, daunting, awe inspiring,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately joyful experience. And this is what I want

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<v Speaker 1>to describe. I want to describe what math feels like

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that is quite different from how it's

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<v Speaker 1>often thought of. I will describe the expansive side of math,

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<v Speaker 1>the creative, the imaginative, the exploratory, the part where we dream,

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<v Speaker 1>follow our nose, listen to our gut instinct, and feel

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<v Speaker 1>the joy of understanding, like sweeping away fog and seeing sunshine.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a math text book, nor is it

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<v Speaker 1>a math history book. It's a math emotions book. Math

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<v Speaker 1>inspires rather different emotions in different people, and unfortunately, for

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<v Speaker 1>some people, it mostly represents fear and the memory of

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<v Speaker 1>being made feel stupid. I would like to show math

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<v Speaker 1>in a different emotional light. Some people love math and

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<v Speaker 1>some people hate it, and unfortunately, the way some of

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<v Speaker 1>the math lovers talk about it makes the other people

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<v Speaker 1>hate it even more. The thing is that there are

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<v Speaker 1>two very different reasons people love math. Some people like

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<v Speaker 1>it because they think it has clear right and wrong answers.

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<v Speaker 1>They find it easy to get the answers, and this

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<v Speaker 1>makes them feel smart. Some people dislike it for more

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<v Speaker 1>or less the same reason, but the other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>It has clear right and wrong answers, but they find

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<v Speaker 1>it hard to get the answers, and this makes them

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<v Speaker 1>feel stupid, or most likely, they're made to feel stupid

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<v Speaker 1>by people who get the answers more easily. And they

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<v Speaker 1>don't even like the idea of clear answers. They see

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<v Speaker 1>the subtle nuances of life, and they don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>something so black and white can capture what they find

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<v Speaker 1>most interesting about life. However, this image of a rigid

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<v Speaker 1>world with clear answers is a very limited view of

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<v Speaker 1>what math is like. Abstract math really doesn't have such

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<v Speaker 1>clear right and wrong answers, especially not at a research level.

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<v Speaker 1>But only a small proportion of people ever make it

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<v Speaker 1>to that stage to see what it's really like. And

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<v Speaker 1>the extraordinary thing is that those mathematicians often love math

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<v Speaker 1>for the same reasons that math phobic people dislike it.

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<v Speaker 1>They are interested in subtlety and nuance to express and

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<v Speaker 1>explore what is most interesting about life. Deep down, math

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<v Speaker 1>isn't about clear answers, but about increasingly nuanced worlds in

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<v Speaker 1>which we can explore different things being true.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is this curious effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Research mathematicians and math phobic people have some similar attitudes

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<v Speaker 1>toward math, just that for the former group those attitudes

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<v Speaker 1>are nurtured and celebrated, but for the latter they are

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<v Speaker 1>met with disdain or even ridicule. And the latter people

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<v Speaker 1>may never find out how close their thoughts and feelings

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<v Speaker 1>are to those of a research mathematician. So you are

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<v Speaker 1>smarter than you think, and your brain works more like

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<v Speaker 1>smart people when you ask not smart questions verified by

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<v Speaker 1>a mathematician. And yeah, sometimes DIY offers gratification that buying

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<v Speaker 1>things with one single clique just can't unless It's a

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<v Speaker 1>book by one of my favorite guests of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Chiropterologist Doctor Merlin Tuttle is a legend in the world

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<v Speaker 1>of bat experts. See the two part Chiropterology episode to

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<v Speaker 1>fall in love with his bat filled brain and his

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<v Speaker 1>giant heart. So in his twenty twenty two book The

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<v Speaker 1>Bat House Guide, Merlin Tuttle affirms diy aspirations so long

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<v Speaker 1>as it helps our flying little friends, and he writes

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<v Speaker 1>bats are essential, but populations are an alarming decline nearly everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>often due to loss of natural roosts. Countless colonies have

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<v Speaker 1>lost their homes as forests have been cleared, caves have

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<v Speaker 1>been converted for human use, and fearful humans have killed

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<v Speaker 1>or evicted those attempting to take refuge in buildings. However,

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<v Speaker 1>by simply providing accommodations, you may help dozens, hundreds, or

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<v Speaker 1>even thousands of destitute bats. As many Americans are discovering,

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<v Speaker 1>bats provide safe pest control, unique entertainment, and outstanding educational opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>Attracting bats may be easier than you think. Thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>little brown miotis and big brown bats are relying on

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<v Speaker 1>bath houses as they slowly recover For more than a

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<v Speaker 1>decade of massive losses from white nose syndrome, private citizens

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<v Speaker 1>are helping some of the hardest hit species recover. Dramatic

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<v Speaker 1>recovery has often been achieved through provision of artificial roosts

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<v Speaker 1>or restoration and protection of damaged roosts. Rapid growth of

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<v Speaker 1>colonies in bathouses strongly suggests that roost shortage is a

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<v Speaker 1>key impediment to their recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>The Florida bonneted.

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<v Speaker 1>Bat, believed to be extinct for more than a decade,

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<v Speaker 1>was rediscovered in nineteen seventy eight living in.

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<v Speaker 2>A backyard bathouse.

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<v Speaker 1>The species is now recovering in small, easy to build bathhouses.

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<v Speaker 1>The more you can learn about bats, the more you

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<v Speaker 1>can help share your personal experience with friends and neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>Helping people overcome needless fear of bats is key to

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<v Speaker 1>their survival now getting started. The nearer you live to

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<v Speaker 1>a river, a lake, or wetland, especially where natural vegetation remains,

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<v Speaker 1>the greater the odds of attracting bats. Such areas are

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<v Speaker 1>prime breeding grounds for reliable and diverse insect prey that

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<v Speaker 1>can sustain colonies at times when yard or crop pests

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<v Speaker 1>are not available. But bathouses are least likely to attract

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<v Speaker 1>occupants in areas of intense urbanization or industrialized agriculture. Depending

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<v Speaker 1>on the bat species where you live, there may be

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<v Speaker 1>a variety of options for bathouse success. Bats attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>live in buildings or other human made structures are a

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<v Speaker 1>good indicator of suitable feeding habitat nearby. Well built and

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<v Speaker 1>located bathouses are more than eighty percent successful, rising to

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent where colonies have been excluded from buildings. So

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of bathouse? Single chamber bathhouses have long been

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<v Speaker 1>viewed as minimally attractive to bats, in part because vendors

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<v Speaker 1>have frequently sold ones that were destined to fail due

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<v Speaker 1>to poor construction or inadequate instructions. When painted, different colors

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<v Speaker 1>are located in different amounts of sun. Two or more

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<v Speaker 1>single chamber houses may meet as well as test bat

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<v Speaker 1>needs better than one multi chambered house, and thus prove

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<v Speaker 1>more attractive. Providing varied options roughly doubles the odds of success.

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<v Speaker 1>Multiple houses allow bats to move in response to changes

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<v Speaker 1>in weather or to escape parasites or predators. Now diy

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<v Speaker 1>if you choose to build your own, providing a bathouse

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<v Speaker 1>for bats may require no more tools than a saw,

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<v Speaker 1>screwdriver and paintbrush. Depending on your level of interest and

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<v Speaker 1>available mounting locations, you might consider two or three easy

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<v Speaker 1>to build single chamber houses. The detailed bath house instructions

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<v Speaker 1>we provide are simply intended as starting guides. Most houses

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<v Speaker 1>can be substantially enlarged or improved once you understand bat needs.

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<v Speaker 1>We also introduce a wide range of options from around

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<v Speaker 1>the world and strongly encourage testing of new materials, designs,

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<v Speaker 1>and ideas. So build a little bathouse for your soul

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<v Speaker 1>and get doctor Merlin Tuttle's book. And again that's doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Merlin Tuttle of Austin, Texas, mister Batman himself from the

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<v Speaker 1>Chiropterology episode. So if you want a book on how

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<v Speaker 1>to make bats, your friends and your neighbors, the Bathouse Guide.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great gift, especially if you're embarking on a

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<v Speaker 1>building project with a loved one who doesn't love the

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<v Speaker 1>smell of coffee and sawdust as you make some memps. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick pause to donate to a charity

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<v Speaker 1>to lead writing workshops and support publishing projects to illustrate

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<v Speaker 1>They have programs all over the US as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>that donation was me possible by sponsors of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Here are some other.

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<v Speaker 1>Books that you might like. What you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>take my word for it, Well, I guess you do,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm the one reading them. But y'all loved the

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<v Speaker 1>onerrology episode on dreaming, and so here are some select

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<v Speaker 1>bits hand chosen by author and ownrologist, doctor G. William Domhoff,

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<v Speaker 1>Because yes, you can be a research scientist with I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the Ultimate dream Job because it's about dreams, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can write a pile of books about it,

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<v Speaker 1>such as his latest their Neurocognitive Theory of dreaming, Where, how, when,

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<v Speaker 1>what and why of dreams and here's what he chose

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<v Speaker 1>for me to read to you. The neurocognitive theory of

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<v Speaker 1>dreaming is first and foremost based on a synthesis of

832
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<v Speaker 1>neuroimaging and leision studies of both the waking and sleeping brain.

833
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<v Speaker 1>It also draws on studies of the development of dreaming

834
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<v Speaker 1>from preschool to adolescents and on quantitative content analysis of

835
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<v Speaker 1>dream reports collected in both laboratory and non laboratory settings.

836
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<v Speaker 1>The neurocognitive theory of dreaming explains the major findings on

837
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<v Speaker 1>dream content as well as the unexpected findings on what

838
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>does not appear very often in dreaming. In addition, the

839
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<v Speaker 1>long standing findings on dream content can be combined with

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<v Speaker 1>more recent neuroimaging and developmental findings to suggest that dreaming

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<v Speaker 1>has no adaptive evolutionary function. Instead, it seems more likely

842
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<v Speaker 1>that dreaming is a byproduct of the rapid selection for

843
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<v Speaker 1>waking imagination, sociolity, and an enhanced self system over the

844
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<v Speaker 1>past fifty two three hundred thousand, which have enormous adaptive advantages.

845
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<v Speaker 1>Dreaming is a unique form of spontaneous, internally generated thought

846
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<v Speaker 1>that shares features in common with mind wandering and even

847
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<v Speaker 1>more with daydreaming. But dreaming is far more intense than

848
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<v Speaker 1>daydreaming because dreamers experience themselves as being in real life

849
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<v Speaker 1>hypothetical scenarios that almost always include other human beings and

850
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<v Speaker 1>or animals. In addition, the other human beings and animals

851
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<v Speaker 1>are usually interacting with the dreamer in the context of

852
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:35.480
<v Speaker 1>vivid sensory environments. Dreams are first and foremost characterized by

853
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:39.039
<v Speaker 1>pan human dimensions on the one side, and by large

854
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:43.599
<v Speaker 1>individual differences on the other. The few gender, cross national

855
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.280
<v Speaker 1>and cross cultural differences, although real and often replicated in

856
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.039
<v Speaker 1>the sense of gender, pale in importance. Then to the

857
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 1>character networks in dream series, which were discovered by mathematical

858
00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>psychologists with expertise in waking memory, provide indications that dreaming

859
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:04.239
<v Speaker 1>in general may be rooted in the same principles governing

860
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:08.000
<v Speaker 1>waking memory to a greater extent than is usually realized.

861
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<v Speaker 1>So dreams ah certainly food for thought, but books are

862
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:14.039
<v Speaker 1>not going to fill your belly. Nobody knows that better

863
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 1>than doctor Psychie Williams. Forcen from our Black American Magnarology

864
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.880
<v Speaker 1>episode about food, race and culture, and she wrote a

865
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:24.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two book Eating While Black, Food Shaming, and

866
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Race in America, and she wanted me to read this

867
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 1>passage to engage your mind and your literary appetite. The

868
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>notion of wholesomeness, along with the requirement of the healthiness

869
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.320
<v Speaker 1>of the food, are the twin weapons for issuing shame

870
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:41.599
<v Speaker 1>and culinary policing. Because we all operate out of our

871
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:44.880
<v Speaker 1>own experiences, we can often miss the nuances of how

872
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.920
<v Speaker 1>shopping in places like the dollar store and other budget

873
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 1>outlets enables those who do the shopping to accomplish more

874
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.079
<v Speaker 1>than just purchasing food. For example, once I was in

875
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the company of a food advocate who strongly believed in

876
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.559
<v Speaker 1>agricultural education and outreach. As we were talking, she began

877
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>extolling the virtues of her work and why her message

878
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>was a necessary one for helping communities of people relieve hunger.

879
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:09.920
<v Speaker 1>At one point during our conversation, I told her that

880
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:13.519
<v Speaker 1>farmers' markets were not necessarily a feasible shopping option for

881
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:17.679
<v Speaker 1>many people. She sharply responded, everyone deserves fresh food, absolutely,

882
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.119
<v Speaker 1>I said, but that is not my point. How we

883
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 1>obtain foods is of interest and importance to me. It

884
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:26.239
<v Speaker 1>is critical for me that we not insist that there

885
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.599
<v Speaker 1>is only one correct way of obtaining food. We continued

886
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.519
<v Speaker 1>to banter while driving to our destination. Along the way,

887
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:34.920
<v Speaker 1>we happened to pass a busy shopping center that had

888
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.800
<v Speaker 1>a variety of stores, including a wal Mart, a Rainbow,

889
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:40.679
<v Speaker 1>an urban centered clothing store for women and girls, and

890
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 1>a Dollar Tree. I could not help but think of

891
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:44.639
<v Speaker 1>the many errands that I had to run when I

892
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 1>returned home, and the number of tasks I could accomplish

893
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.440
<v Speaker 1>in one hour or so just by going to the

894
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 1>three stores we just passed, or even one of them. Alternatively,

895
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the thought of needing to figure out the time and

896
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.679
<v Speaker 1>location of the next farmer's market and how it would

897
00:51:57.719 --> 00:51:59.599
<v Speaker 1>fit within the scope of the many other things I

898
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:02.280
<v Speaker 1>had to do, was daunting, to say the least. I

899
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>explained to my companion how I, as a middle class

900
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.159
<v Speaker 1>black woman, would find relief in the option of large

901
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 1>stores with varied merchandise. After I said this, we rode

902
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:12.679
<v Speaker 1>in silence for the rest of the trip, each of

903
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 1>us lost in our own thoughts, perhaps thinking about the

904
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 1>privileges of our own lives. I was not angry with

905
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.119
<v Speaker 1>my driving companion so much as I was frustrated and

906
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.320
<v Speaker 1>tired by the need to share continuously this kind of

907
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:28.079
<v Speaker 1>information in order to help people check their privileges. I

908
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 1>am perpetually amazed by the freedoms enjoyed by so many

909
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.679
<v Speaker 1>who choose to tell Black people how we should.

910
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Practice our food cultures.

911
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.199
<v Speaker 1>It is clear they most often have little or no

912
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:43.280
<v Speaker 1>clue about our cultural history, heritage, sustainability, or even how

913
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:44.480
<v Speaker 1>we manage life on a.

914
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Day to day basis.

915
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.920
<v Speaker 1>These advocates are determined in their zeal to impress upon

916
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 1>me the need to acquire fresh food, and they feel

917
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.199
<v Speaker 1>justified by their outrage to impress upon me that I,

918
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 1>as a human being, have a right to have this

919
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:01.159
<v Speaker 1>freshness in my life. Yes, of course I do. But

920
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:04.239
<v Speaker 1>what my companion and others seem to miss is that

921
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.800
<v Speaker 1>it is also my right to acquire food and other

922
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.599
<v Speaker 1>goods in ways that work best for me, even if

923
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that means going outside the confines of what others consider acceptable.

924
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:16.639
<v Speaker 1>But some people get this. In the article The Buck

925
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Shops here, ron At King explains that not only our

926
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:23.440
<v Speaker 1>dollar store is now being frequented by those with incomes

927
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:26.719
<v Speaker 1>greater than seventy thousand, but also that they appeal to

928
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.440
<v Speaker 1>customers who might not want to trapes across a huge

929
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 1>store and its accompanying parking lot just to pick up

930
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 1>a few items. And this is especially the case when

931
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 1>you're busy with families or live alone. It's absolutely true

932
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>that everyone deserves to have fresh food, and it is

933
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 1>absolutely true that people need to be able to eat

934
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.320
<v Speaker 1>what they want and get their food from where they

935
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:49.960
<v Speaker 1>need while they're in the meantime of their lives, that

936
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.920
<v Speaker 1>is well, they're waiting for things to change or improve.

937
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:55.760
<v Speaker 1>So when you sit down to holiday meals, eating while

938
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:57.639
<v Speaker 1>black is a great one to have under the tree

939
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.599
<v Speaker 1>and gift to someone or yourself. And before you hurl

940
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:05.079
<v Speaker 1>your fresh leftovers in the trash, consider the work of

941
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.800
<v Speaker 1>the wonderful doctor Robin Nagel of the Discard Anthropology episode

942
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 1>All about Garbage. She's an NYU professor and a one

943
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.280
<v Speaker 1>time New York City sanitation worker and author of the

944
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:18.599
<v Speaker 1>book Picking Up on the Streets and Behind the Trucks

945
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:20.800
<v Speaker 1>with the Sanitation Workers of New York City Now on

946
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the topic of grubbing and also grubbiness.

947
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 2>She selected this.

948
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 1>Passage for you, a Buddhist prayer of thanks said at

949
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.079
<v Speaker 1>the start of a meal acknowledges that the food about

950
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to be consumed is the work of many hands and

951
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the sharing of many forms of life. So is the

952
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.639
<v Speaker 1>accumulation at a garbage dump. The garbage here and in

953
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:44.119
<v Speaker 1>every other dump the world over reflects lives lived well

954
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:48.599
<v Speaker 1>or in desperation, or too fast, or in pain or

955
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:52.719
<v Speaker 1>enjoy even without the status of worth or a claim

956
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:57.119
<v Speaker 1>of possession. Each bag stuffed with trash, each wad of

957
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:02.360
<v Speaker 1>spent tissue, every shred of shrink wrap, every moldy vegetable

958
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and maggot covered turkey leg hints of countless stories. Archaeologists

959
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.039
<v Speaker 1>of contemporary household waste have demonstrated this. Indeed, insights that

960
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the field has given us about our own past often

961
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.719
<v Speaker 1>rest on analysis of nothing more than the garbage of

962
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:22.599
<v Speaker 1>civilization's long dead. We understand such artifacts to be treasures.

963
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Less tangible and more metaphysical is the sense that all

964
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.440
<v Speaker 1>these unloved things hold traces of their former owners. Marcel

965
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Maas and early twentieth century sociologists propose that even when

966
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:38.039
<v Speaker 1>an object has been abandoned by the giver, it still

967
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:41.559
<v Speaker 1>possesses something of him. The original notion referred to gift

968
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:45.119
<v Speaker 1>exchanges in small scale or tribal societies, but the point

969
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.880
<v Speaker 1>can stand for any thing that has passed through a

970
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:51.320
<v Speaker 1>life and been cast off. Imagine if we were capable

971
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.199
<v Speaker 1>a form of empathy that lets us know one another

972
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.639
<v Speaker 1>by savoring the aura we leave on the things we've touched,

973
00:55:57.920 --> 00:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>we could go to a dump to get drunk on

974
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:04.119
<v Speaker 1>one another's souls. But we haven't yet evolved such sensitivities.

975
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.599
<v Speaker 1>We generate our dregs, we create their hazards, and then

976
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.000
<v Speaker 1>we invent the dump as one of the places to

977
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>which we banish them so that we can pretend they

978
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.760
<v Speaker 1>won't harm us. But who plays the role of Karen

979
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:19.920
<v Speaker 1>ferrying our deceased belongings out of our daily lives and

980
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:23.880
<v Speaker 1>across that river sticks into the imagined safe zone of

981
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the dump, Or, to put it more bluntly, who keeps

982
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:27.960
<v Speaker 1>us safe from ourselves?

983
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Not me?

984
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.280
<v Speaker 1>So yes, do pick up picking up on the streets

985
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:33.679
<v Speaker 1>behind the trucks with the sanitation workers of New York

986
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.440
<v Speaker 1>City by doctor Nagle to get a whole new appreciation

987
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 1>for where your garbage goes from a sack on the street.

988
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:40.719
<v Speaker 2>To the grape beyond.

989
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:43.639
<v Speaker 1>But what's under the streets and also in the Grape Beyond,

990
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh a bunch of Human Bones. If you're in Paris,

991
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:49.079
<v Speaker 1>I get a chance to chat with doctor Aaronbrae Legacy

992
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:53.400
<v Speaker 1>in the Metropolitan Tomology episode and record my own creeping

993
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 1>around the Paris Catacombs. And as a rare expert in

994
00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.719
<v Speaker 1>this field, doctor Legacy wrote the book Making Space for

995
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:04.719
<v Speaker 1>the Day, Catacombs, Cemeteries and the Reimagining of Paris seventeen

996
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.320
<v Speaker 1>eighty to eighteen thirty, and here's an excerpt from her.

997
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<v Speaker 1>In December seventeen eighty five, the dead moved from Paris's

998
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 1>heart into what Victor Hugo would later call its intestines.

999
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Shadowy figures entered the city's oldest and largest cemetery, the

1000
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Cemetery of the Holy Innocence, and began to dig. Inhabitants

1001
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 1>of neighboring buildings watched, some from their windows, some from

1002
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the street, as these men, working by torchlight, began the

1003
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:36.559
<v Speaker 1>lugubrious and unprecedented process of emptying this historic burial space

1004
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of its sacred contents. These city workers spent the next

1005
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.599
<v Speaker 1>year digging human remains out of the cemetery's deep mass

1006
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:47.760
<v Speaker 1>graves and collecting the millions of bones that had accumulated

1007
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:51.280
<v Speaker 1>in the charnel houses around its perimeter. They then systematically

1008
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:55.320
<v Speaker 1>transported carts full of bones and human remains to an

1009
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:58.679
<v Speaker 1>underground quarry on the city's southern periphery, a.

1010
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Newly designated Minuis Municipal.

1011
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Osuary that would soon be better known as the Paris Catacombs.

1012
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.639
<v Speaker 1>This radical relocation was the culmination of a long campaign

1013
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.760
<v Speaker 1>to end urban burial in the French capital. More specifically,

1014
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:13.320
<v Speaker 1>it was a consequence of a seventeen eighty royal ordinance

1015
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.639
<v Speaker 1>that declared the Cemetery of the Innocence to be an

1016
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 1>intolerable and illegal threat to the city, owing to the

1017
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.800
<v Speaker 1>stinking vapors that constantly seeped from its muddy enclosure and

1018
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:26.079
<v Speaker 1>endangered the health and well being of anyone living in

1019
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:30.280
<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood. The famous eighteenth century chronicler of Parisian urban life,

1020
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Louis Sebastian Mercier, characterized the cemetery as an imminent danger

1021
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:40.079
<v Speaker 1>whose cadaverous miasmas threatened to poison the atmosphere of Paris.

1022
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:43.880
<v Speaker 1>He further alleged that wine, milk and bullion served in

1023
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the vicinity of the cemetery soured within hours and warned

1024
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that the cadaverous humidity that clung to the nearby walls

1025
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:55.239
<v Speaker 1>had lethal effects. Yes, he explained, to absent mindedly place

1026
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.719
<v Speaker 1>one's hand against a wall impregnated with this moisture was

1027
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:02.719
<v Speaker 1>to expose oneself to the effects of venom. Ew No,

1028
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.880
<v Speaker 1>in this ancient space, the dead were quite literally deadly.

1029
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:11.039
<v Speaker 1>So venture Underground with her book, which will be linked

1030
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<v Speaker 1>on the website. You can also listen to the Metropolitan

1031
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<v Speaker 1>Tumology episode to hear more about that. Now, do you

1032
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 1>want to read less about death and more about dolphin sex?

1033
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I thought so?

1034
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Or rather doctor Justin Gregg of the Delphinology episode on

1035
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:27.119
<v Speaker 1>dolphins did. He wrote Our Dolphins Really Smart in twenty thirteen.

1036
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<v Speaker 1>But his latest title is If Nietzsche Were a Narwhal,

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<v Speaker 1>which just came out in paperback and makes an excellent

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00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:36.400
<v Speaker 1>and entertaining airport read or a gift. Now, he told me,

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<v Speaker 1>here are some dramatic paragraphs that might be fun to

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<v Speaker 1>include in a mixtape from If Nietzsche Were a Narwhal.

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<v Speaker 1>The conclusion here is that humans, through our complex capacity

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<v Speaker 1>for moral thinking, have taken something that does not constitute

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<v Speaker 1>a normative problem for any other species, and turned it

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<v Speaker 1>into an issue for which we can justify marginalization, criminalization, execution,

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<v Speaker 1>and even genocide. This is, argue, a case of animals

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01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.920
<v Speaker 1>having a far superior, that is, less violent and destructive,

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01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:10.880
<v Speaker 1>normative system for dealing with difference than almost all human cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>Homosexuality is quite clearly not just normal in the animal world,

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<v Speaker 1>but entirely non destructive, maybe even beneficial for maintaining animal societies.

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01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Why then, are humans uniquely homophobic? It's a mystery that

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<v Speaker 1>can only be solved if you understand how we can

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<v Speaker 1>reason ourselves into a corner via our capacity.

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<v Speaker 2>For moral thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>A handful of cultures and religions have convinced themselves that

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<v Speaker 1>homosexuality is a moral problem and millions of our fellow

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01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.239
<v Speaker 1>humans must suffer because of it. Not only does anti

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<v Speaker 1>gay sentiment have no real counterpart in the behavior of

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<v Speaker 1>any other species, but it actively creates barriers to our

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01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:53.440
<v Speaker 1>species success and not only so's societal discord, but leads

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<v Speaker 1>to the suffering of a large swath of the human population.

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<v Speaker 1>What biological benefit has been given to our species through

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<v Speaker 1>our bizarre moral posturing around the non problem problem of

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<v Speaker 1>homosexuality precisely none. It is a sad testament to the

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<v Speaker 1>cruelty of human moral reasoning. Intelligence is not a biological fact.

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<v Speaker 1>This idea of human intellectual or behavioral exceptionalism has no

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<v Speaker 1>basis in science. We feel in our guts that intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>is both real and good.

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<v Speaker 2>But when we look at.

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<v Speaker 1>The ways in which non human animals manage to eke

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<v Speaker 1>out a living on this planet, the jaw dropping solutions

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<v Speaker 1>they've come up with for solving ecological problems, it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>clear that neither of these gut beliefs holds up to scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 1>Intelligence is the grand mcguffin, a concept we've been chasing

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<v Speaker 1>in the study of human, animal, and robot minds that

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<v Speaker 1>has distracted us from the reality of the natural world.

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<v Speaker 1>A reality in which natural selection has never once acted

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<v Speaker 1>on a biological trait that we can distill into a

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<v Speaker 1>singular concept known as intelligence. A reality in which our

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual and teens technology feats born of a mish mash

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<v Speaker 1>of cognitive traits shared by many other species are not

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<v Speaker 1>quite as important or exceptional as we'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Like to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>A reality in which the earth is bursting with animal

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<v Speaker 1>species that have hit on solutions for how to have

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<v Speaker 1>a good life in ways that put the human species

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<v Speaker 1>to shame. Human intelligence is not the miracle of evolution

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<v Speaker 1>we like to think it is. We love our little accomplishments,

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<v Speaker 1>our moon landings and megacities like a parent loves their

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<v Speaker 1>newborn baby, but nobody loves a baby as much as

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<v Speaker 1>the parents. The planet does not love us as much

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<v Speaker 1>as we love our intellect. Because we are indeed exceptional,

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<v Speaker 1>if not necessarily good. We have generated more death and

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01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.639
<v Speaker 1>destruction for life on this planet than any other animal

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<v Speaker 1>past and present. Our many intellectual accomplishments are currently on

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<v Speaker 1>track to produce our own extinction, which is exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>evolution gets rid of adaptations that suck. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest of paradoxes that we should have an exceptional mind

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01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:06.199
<v Speaker 1>which seems hell bent on destroying itself. Unless we can

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<v Speaker 1>pull out a star Trek solution in the nick of time,

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01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.840
<v Speaker 1>human intelligence is going to wink out of existence. So

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01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:16.519
<v Speaker 1>instead of looking at the cows and chickens and nar

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01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:19.960
<v Speaker 1>walls in your life with pity because they lack human

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01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:24.760
<v Speaker 1>cognitive capacities, first think about the value of those capacities.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you experience more pleasure than your pets because of them.

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01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Is the world a better place thanks to our species intelligence?

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<v Speaker 1>If we are honest about the answers to those questions,

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01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.599
<v Speaker 1>then there's good reason to tone down our smugness, because,

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01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:41.719
<v Speaker 1>depending on where we go from here, human intelligence may

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01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 1>just be the stupidest thing that has ever happened. Haha,

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01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 1>we got you with dolphinsex. Now we have to think

1111
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:51.920
<v Speaker 1>about our own brains destroying things. So obviously, some humans

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01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:54.760
<v Speaker 1>just don't get communing with the natural world, and some do.

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01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.360
<v Speaker 1>We did a Wichology episode in October with a real

1114
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:01.719
<v Speaker 1>life witch and author fee Garde Parma, and some of

1115
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:05.119
<v Speaker 1>you freaked out because it contained their experiences and opinions,

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01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:07.639
<v Speaker 1>and some of you freaked out because you discovered being

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01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:09.639
<v Speaker 1>a witch is for you. Now, if the latter is

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<v Speaker 1>a case, you may want to pick up their twenty

1119
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty three book, The Witch Belongs to the World a

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<v Speaker 1>Spell of Becoming and Fio selected this passage for y'all.

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01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Witches belong to the world. Etymologically, the roots of the

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01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.519
<v Speaker 1>word world position this concept in terms of the age

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<v Speaker 1>of man an epic. The quantity of the known world,

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01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.760
<v Speaker 1>this place, this time, not some other place, not some

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<v Speaker 1>other time, definitely not the other world. Whiches belong to

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01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the world, and we are emissaries to and of the

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01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:42.159
<v Speaker 1>other world. To the other world we travel, and with

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01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.320
<v Speaker 1>the mysteries of the other world we return born to

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01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.199
<v Speaker 1>both which is our blessing and abane to the human

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01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:51.559
<v Speaker 1>societies who have feared and revered us. We are part

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01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:54.679
<v Speaker 1>of the fate and destiny of humankind. We have always

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01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:57.920
<v Speaker 1>been here. Stories and legends about us are as old

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01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:01.559
<v Speaker 1>as written records in oral traditions. We are older than

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01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:06.199
<v Speaker 1>revivalist traditions bearing our names. We are older than initiatory

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01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:10.760
<v Speaker 1>lineages and orders of witchery. We are older than the persecutions,

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01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:15.159
<v Speaker 1>the Pyramids, the cave painting, the stone axes. But who

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<v Speaker 1>and what were we before empire? What have we become?

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01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Who are we becoming? So that was the witch belongs

1139
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:25.639
<v Speaker 1>to the world? Which book to get? There's so many,

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01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:26.639
<v Speaker 1>and we're not done.

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01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Yet, folks, books, more books.

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<v Speaker 1>So as long as we're lurking in the mist in

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01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the darkness, let's hear a little bit from territologist and

1144
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 1>monster low expert doctor W. Scott Poole from the slam

1145
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Dunk fan favorite recent episode Our Monsters. So doctor Pool

1146
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.079
<v Speaker 1>has monster books, of course, such as Monsters in America,

1147
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:50.880
<v Speaker 1>but his latest book is titled Dark Carnivals, Modern Horror

1148
01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:53.559
<v Speaker 1>and the Origins of American Empire, and he chose this

1149
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:58.239
<v Speaker 1>creepy and thought provoking passage for us empires stand alone.

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01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:00.960
<v Speaker 1>There's so often an immense lilafe loneliness at the heart

1151
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of contemporary horror films, the stories leeching out of our

1152
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:07.880
<v Speaker 1>inner poisons, replaying for us the terrors of living in

1153
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a fortified nation state, even before the pandemic of twenty twenty.

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01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Themes of blindness, deafness, and above all, isolation saturated contemporary

1155
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:20.519
<v Speaker 1>horror films like bird Box, A quiet place, the silence,

1156
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:24.639
<v Speaker 1>hush here alone, it comes at night, the wind, and

1157
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:29.239
<v Speaker 1>don't breathe. Empire's apocalypse has come to mean suffering alone,

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01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:33.360
<v Speaker 1>a particularly haunting echo of the failed promises and the

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01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:37.119
<v Speaker 1>horrors of the global village. The writer lings End, in

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01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:40.920
<v Speaker 1>his novel Love Like Hate, admits that Vietnam, especially his

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01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:44.079
<v Speaker 1>beloved Saigon, is a disaster, but he adds that at

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<v Speaker 1>least one doesn't die alone in the desolation. The solitary

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01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:52.639
<v Speaker 1>nightmare of America Americans are so cool they manage to

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01:06:52.639 --> 01:06:56.880
<v Speaker 1>be quiet about their desperation. Isolation may seem a strange

1165
01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:00.679
<v Speaker 1>condition at empire's twilight. Perhaps it's the pondering of the

1166
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:04.079
<v Speaker 1>aftermath of the world we made that horror plays with now.

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01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:08.400
<v Speaker 1>The clowns are terrifying. The sound of the calliope tingles

1168
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the spine with its weirdness. The music of the carousel

1169
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:16.679
<v Speaker 1>jangles its Warlitzer tune, broken and serrated. But once something

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01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:20.079
<v Speaker 1>wicked coming this way has passed, what does it leave behind?

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<v Speaker 1>Is our insatiate need to victimize, or at least glamorize

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01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.639
<v Speaker 1>those who victimize in our name. Part of the reason

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01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:31.639
<v Speaker 1>for our polarizations and isolations. American myths adore the loner

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01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and the rogue, the quiet man of action. Teddy Roosevelt

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01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:39.880
<v Speaker 1>tore a canal into Panama, and Ted Bundy tore apart

1176
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:43.840
<v Speaker 1>sorority girls. John Wayne buried his kills by Old Red River,

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01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and John Wayne Gacy laid his to rest in a

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<v Speaker 1>crawl space at eighty two thirteen West Summerdale Avenue, Chicago, Illinois.

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01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Speaking softly and carrying a big stick has been the

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01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:59.079
<v Speaker 1>American way, as has using that stick to bludgeon others

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01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:02.119
<v Speaker 1>into paralysis and death. It's lonely at the top of

1182
01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:06.119
<v Speaker 1>the bone pile. Have Americans chosen the chainsaw or the shark?

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01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:10.119
<v Speaker 1>The last one hundred years suggest they've wanted both. The

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01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.480
<v Speaker 1>certainty that the monsters waiting in the deep can be

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01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:16.359
<v Speaker 1>slain by American tough giary means we are never afraid

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01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to wade back into the water. We still feel the saw,

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01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:23.479
<v Speaker 1>but refuse to let its blind roar unsettle our sleep.

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01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:26.399
<v Speaker 1>We can even reimagine it a weapon. We make our

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01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.920
<v Speaker 1>own ash of the evil dead films, putting a chainsaw

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01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.800
<v Speaker 1>on his bloody stump of an arm and marching against

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01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:36.560
<v Speaker 1>an army of darkness with panache, even a John Wayne swagger.

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01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:41.199
<v Speaker 1>War stories are difficult. War stories are so often horror

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01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:44.840
<v Speaker 1>stories that try to ignore their own tropes. Too often,

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01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:46.960
<v Speaker 1>when the lights go up, you think war is hell

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01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:50.640
<v Speaker 1>but also damn exciting. It has to be done, But

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01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:52.960
<v Speaker 1>look at it. It's also the sort of empire that

1197
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:58.439
<v Speaker 1>demands full cooperation, your taxes, your apathy, your willingness to

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01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:01.720
<v Speaker 1>hate what you see in the floating gun sight that

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01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:06.439
<v Speaker 1>ranges across Africa, Asia, Latin America and the Pacific world.

1200
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:11.439
<v Speaker 1>Horror movies, fiction, and games draw on these poisoned waters

1201
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:15.159
<v Speaker 1>and reimagine these piles of corpses in a country that

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01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.880
<v Speaker 1>taught itself to become history's most powerful war machine while

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01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:22.239
<v Speaker 1>keeping less than one percent of its population under arms.

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01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Horror offers one of the few places where the true

1205
01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:28.479
<v Speaker 1>war story can unfold. The truth of war is not

1206
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:31.680
<v Speaker 1>about what happens on the front lines. It's a story

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01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:35.560
<v Speaker 1>about what Americans consume, what we're willing to allow our

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01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:38.399
<v Speaker 1>government to do so we can keep binging, and whether

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01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.159
<v Speaker 1>we are willing to all play at answering the call

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01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:44.920
<v Speaker 1>of duty, becoming a nation of first person shooters, most

1211
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:46.760
<v Speaker 1>of whom will never have to pick up an actual

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01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:50.079
<v Speaker 1>rifle unless it's to kill other Americans out of rage

1213
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:54.640
<v Speaker 1>and frustration. Instead, the working class avatars we'd call the

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01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:57.399
<v Speaker 1>cops on if they walked through our neighborhood do the

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01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:00.600
<v Speaker 1>killing for us. We'll just wrap ourselves and the softer

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01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:04.760
<v Speaker 1>side of empire tales of soldiers in our wars defending

1217
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:08.000
<v Speaker 1>our freedoms, and not the truth that they are ponds

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01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.039
<v Speaker 1>in a larger game of taking what belongs to others.

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01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:15.520
<v Speaker 1>The war story of America has become the very apotheosis

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01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:21.359
<v Speaker 1>of Aslan Clark's dictum about horror. The worst thing is true.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes.

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<v Speaker 2>That is from doctor W.

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01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Scott Poole's book Dark Carnivals about Empire and America and

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01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.439
<v Speaker 1>much darkness that's well written and well thought out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now in those.

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01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:36.119
<v Speaker 1>City streets of America are not just mysteries and power

1227
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:39.840
<v Speaker 1>struggles but people. And Aaron Foley, an expert in Detroit

1228
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:43.199
<v Speaker 1>history and culture from the Detroit Oology episode, Well, he

1229
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:46.079
<v Speaker 1>wrote a beautiful novel called Boys Come First. But he

1230
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:49.520
<v Speaker 1>also authored a really straightforward and hilarious guide to the

1231
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Motor City titled How to Live in Detroit Without Being

1232
01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:56.039
<v Speaker 1>a Jackass, which also has really beautiful reflections on how

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01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:58.239
<v Speaker 1>we treat each other. And he gave this passage to

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01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:02.920
<v Speaker 1>read to you to people, real people. Life in Detroit

1235
01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:05.960
<v Speaker 1>cannot be gleaned from an article, no matter how shareable

1236
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:09.560
<v Speaker 1>on social media. It seems you have to absorb everything

1237
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.319
<v Speaker 1>here in real time. Not be easy, but do not

1238
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:15.560
<v Speaker 1>put the blame on Detroit. Life is an obstacle course

1239
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:19.279
<v Speaker 1>no matter where you are, but people are paramount. Treat

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01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:23.039
<v Speaker 1>people with respect and dignity, not just in Detroit, but

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<v Speaker 1>especially in Detroit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty basic.

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<v Speaker 1>But you'd be surprised how many people don't abide by this.

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<v Speaker 1>And why is that? Because people get so wrapped up

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<v Speaker 1>in things like coney dogs that they forget about humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is beautiful writing about Detroit and American culture at large.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, life is an obstacle course, no matter where

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<v Speaker 1>you are. Also, did someone say obstacle course. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about chickens now, So Tova Danovich is not only a chickenologist,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes that's a real word. Look it up. I

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<v Speaker 1>swear to frogs. But also she is an author and

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like you to hear part of her twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three book Under the Henfluence, Inside the World of Backyard

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<v Speaker 1>Chickens and the.

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<v Speaker 2>People who love them.

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<v Speaker 1>In it, she describes an experience she had firsthand. The

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<v Speaker 1>workshop seems ordinary. There are rows of tables and chairs,

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<v Speaker 1>a large screen for PowerPoint presentations, and an area for

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<v Speaker 1>coffee and snacks. If it weren't for the dusty smell

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<v Speaker 1>when you walk in the door and the sounds coming

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<v Speaker 1>from downstairs, this could be a one to one workshop

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<v Speaker 1>in any conference room in the US. The spell is

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<v Speaker 1>broken quickly when I hear a booker from downstairs. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>has laid an egg. This is chicken Camp, a multi

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<v Speaker 1>day class that is ostensibly all about clicker training chickens.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people in the workshop work with animals. Some are professionals,

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<v Speaker 1>while others just want to learn how to train their

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<v Speaker 1>puppy when they get back home. One woman does wildlife rehabilitation,

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<v Speaker 1>another is a primate researcher. A few of them work

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<v Speaker 1>with feral cats. But for the next few days or longer,

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<v Speaker 1>for those who stay for both the beginning and advanced

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<v Speaker 1>chicken training classes, we will learn how to clicker train

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<v Speaker 1>chickens to do all kinds of things a chicken doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>normally do. Some will teeter across balanced beams. Others will

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<v Speaker 1>walk confidently around a parking cone. They will complete obstacle

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<v Speaker 1>courses and matching games. These hungry chickens will do amazing

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<v Speaker 1>things in exchange for food, but for now they know

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<v Speaker 1>very little. Nothing has ever been expected of them besides

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<v Speaker 1>laying the occasional egg. Today that's all about to change.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, you've been wanting chickens, get yourself under the

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<v Speaker 1>influence inside the world of back your chickens and the

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<v Speaker 1>people who love them, or get it as a gift

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<v Speaker 1>for your partner and beg them for chickens. Let's continue

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<v Speaker 1>on the topic of eggs, but also zombies. Come with

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<v Speaker 1>me into the world of neuroparasitology aka nature zombies with

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<v Speaker 1>author Matt Simon, who wrote Plight of the Living Dead.

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<v Speaker 1>What real life zombies reveal about our world and ourselves?

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<v Speaker 2>Zombies really, really, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Writes, the zombie may as well be real, because it

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<v Speaker 1>actually is, only in a far more incredible and diabolical

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<v Speaker 1>and horrifying way than a screenwriter could ever dream up.

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<v Speaker 1>Because all across the animal kingdom, parasites are climbing into

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<v Speaker 1>other creatures and mind controlling them, be they worms or

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<v Speaker 1>wasps or microbes. Certain organisms have figured out how to

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<v Speaker 1>brainwash their victims in weighs so clever and precise they

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<v Speaker 1>make Hollingwood's creations look downwriting ir responsible. In September twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I was pacing in my kitchen talking on the phone

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<v Speaker 1>with presumably a madman in South America. He told me

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<v Speaker 1>a fungus invades ants' bodies and takes over their minds,

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<v Speaker 1>manipulating them with unreal precision and consistency. The parasite steers

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<v Speaker 1>the ants out of the colony and up a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>always at noon, always ordering them to bite onto a leaf,

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<v Speaker 1>always about a foot off the ground. This just so

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<v Speaker 1>happens to be where the temperature and humidity are ideal

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<v Speaker 1>for the fungus's growth, and the body snatcher has positioned

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<v Speaker 1>its host right above the colony's trail, so as it

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<v Speaker 1>erupts out of the back of the zombie ant's head

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<v Speaker 1>and sprays its spores, it infects more victims. A parasite

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<v Speaker 1>without a brain of its own has brainwashed one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most loyal creatures on earth to betray its family

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<v Speaker 1>in spectacular fashion. And so for more on that, see

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<v Speaker 1>that neuroparasitology episode with Matt Simon. His book is Plight

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<v Speaker 1>of the Living Dead. Oh it's so good, and I

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<v Speaker 1>realize you may feel a beef with bugs right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's change that mighty verse with the book Eyes

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<v Speaker 1>on Flies by doctor bry The Fly Guy, written by

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<v Speaker 1>dipter ology guest doctor Brian Lasard. He wants you to

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<v Speaker 1>love flies like he does, and he makes it easy

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<v Speaker 1>with passages such as no flies, no chocolate. Without flies,

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<v Speaker 1>there would be no chocolate.

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<v Speaker 2>True story.

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<v Speaker 1>This is because midge flies are the most important pollinators

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<v Speaker 1>of the cocoa plant that gives us chocolate. These teeny

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<v Speaker 1>tiny flies are the size of a pinhead and are

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<v Speaker 1>the only pollinators small enough to crawl inside the cocoa flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out these flies have a sweet tooth as a

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<v Speaker 1>buzz from flower to flower, drinking sweet. They get doused

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<v Speaker 1>in pollend to help pollinate the flowers that eventually ripen

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<v Speaker 1>into delicious cocoa pots. Next time you piece of chocolate,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure to thank the chocolate fly will do. He

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<v Speaker 1>also writes new species realness category is new species Extravaganza.

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<v Speaker 1>One charismatic and unique soldier fly looks like a shiny

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<v Speaker 1>rainbow jewel sashing around the forest floor, so I named

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<v Speaker 1>it Oppolluma rue Paul, after the glamazon Rue Paul. The

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<v Speaker 1>first specimens of Appolluma flies were collected in nineteen twelve

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<v Speaker 1>and waited more than one hundred years before someone came

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<v Speaker 1>along with the nerve and the talent to name them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I wanted to give them big, bold names

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<v Speaker 1>so they can get the much needed attention they deserved

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<v Speaker 1>from researchers and community scientists.

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<v Speaker 2>Even rue.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul saw the resemblance and posted a picture of the

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<v Speaker 1>fly on social media. The rest was herstory. He also writes,

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<v Speaker 1>want to know the secret of looking pretty fly? Believe

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<v Speaker 1>it or not, some cosmetic companies have a secret ingredient

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<v Speaker 1>in their aged flying face creams that keep you looking younger.

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<v Speaker 1>Oil from a maggot. Pardon, and not just any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of maggot, but the youthful black soldier fly. Turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>the oil found in black soldier fly larvae is rich

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<v Speaker 1>in fats, oils, and vitamin e that are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>nourish the skin and help it look healthier and younger.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, beauty is in the fly of the beholder,

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<v Speaker 1>he writes, So get his book Eyes on Flies by

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Bryan the Fly Guy, and y'all that's it. Ask

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<v Speaker 1>smart books, not smart questions, or get some as gifts

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<v Speaker 1>to delight and entertain your love once. Head to the

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<v Speaker 1>link in the show description aliware dot com slash ologies

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<v Speaker 1>slash bookworm three for links to the original episodes that

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about and the ologists books, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>a link to Literacy Charity which we donated eight two

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<v Speaker 1>have so many kid friendly Smologies episodes you can download

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<v Speaker 1>at alliward dot com slash Smologies for free, which is

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<v Speaker 1>linked in the show notes. Aaron Talbert admin's our Facebook group.

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<v Speaker 1>Noel Dilworth is our scheduling producer. Susan Hale is managing director.

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<v Speaker 1>Dwyer does our website. Emily White of the Wordery makes

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<v Speaker 1>our professional transcripts. Smologies have been edited by Zee Coudorguez,

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<v Speaker 1>lead editor, Mercedes Maitland of Maitland Audio, who wrote the

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<v Speaker 1>The theme music was written by Nick Thorburn of the

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<v Speaker 1>band Islands and if you stick around until the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode, I tell you a secret. And this

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<v Speaker 1>week let's do book related.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So in college and in my early twenties, I did

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<v Speaker 1>some TV shows and it helped pay for college, and

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<v Speaker 1>I also was catering on the side and had like

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<v Speaker 1>four jobs. But I really like doing the TV stuff

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<v Speaker 1>until one day I was mugged by these two guys

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<v Speaker 1>with giant kitchen knives in real life, and then my

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<v Speaker 1>appetite for simulating violence on like crime shows just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of disappeared with my wallet that day. But on my

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<v Speaker 1>first audition ever, like years before, I was so nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>It was for like a moody college student, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had practiced the audition and in the waiting room there

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<v Speaker 1>were like fifteen other girls who looked just like me,

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<v Speaker 1>and so to distract myself, I took out a book

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<v Speaker 1>from my bag and it was Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, how perfect am I for this?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm already reading a really depressing book. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>looked up and there was literally a girl across the

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<v Speaker 1>room also reading The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath. And

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't even assigned for a class. We just, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess both happened to be reading it. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>like was even the point of being here so easily.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing interesting about me, and I guess I was

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<v Speaker 1>so defeated that I seemed like an actual depressed college kid,

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<v Speaker 1>which I was, so I got the part. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I found out via a pager that I was shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>like the next day, I called my parents from a

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<v Speaker 1>payphone in San Francisco and I was screaming so much

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<v Speaker 1>that my dad thought that I was gravely injured or

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<v Speaker 1>being held.

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<v Speaker 2>Hostage, but I was just happy.

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<v Speaker 1>But then years later, when I actually did get mugged,

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<v Speaker 1>I could not make a noise at all, Like it

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<v Speaker 1>opened my mouth, nothing would come out, as kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like when you're in a nightmare or a cartoon and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like like nothing. But don't be sad about all that,

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<v Speaker 1>because if that hadn't happened, I wouldn't have been like

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<v Speaker 1>h luck and then become like a writer and done science.

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<v Speaker 2>TV and madeologies. So it all worked out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also learned that when you're like authentic in

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<v Speaker 1>your life and your work, you've become irreplaceable. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you try to be just like everybody else, then things

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<v Speaker 1>don't work out so great. You also become a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit less depressed when you're just you. Okay, next week

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<v Speaker 1>another new ology, so make sure you're subscribed to phone

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<v Speaker 1>user pass it on and thank you for listening. To

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<v Speaker 1>the very end of this audiobook mixtape number three, I

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<v Speaker 1>would you like it?

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<v Speaker 2>My throat is so sore?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Bye bye, Pacadermatology, abiology or doo Zoology, Lithology, new Technology,

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<v Speaker 3>Meteorology and Metatology, nanthology, zeriology, silidology.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the books.
