Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What What's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: This episode we got Headless's magical mail bag without Heitless again.
Speaker 1: Headless is over and it's actually in Arizona right now.
Speaker 1: It's in Scottsdale. He got there early for the UH
Speaker 1: that ancient that ancient civilization event that we're going to
Speaker 1: UH and that will be tomorrow actually and Friday, Saturday
Speaker 1: and Sunday in Scottsdale, Arizona. Unfortunately, by the time this drops,
Speaker 1: it will be over, so it's kind of pointless to
Speaker 1: go into it now. But the reason Headless isn't here
Speaker 1: is because he's there early a day beforehand. Because we
Speaker 1: do do this on Thursdays and night. I just dropping
Speaker 1: on Saturdays. No, no wonder why I dropped this next Monday,
Speaker 1: jumped to some Mondays. Now I got Teresa here with me,
Speaker 1: sitting in for a Headless. She doesn't happen to have
Speaker 1: any she doesn't have any mail with her, but she
Speaker 1: does have a symbol that she'll agree with us. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of twisted herrom and I asked it to
Speaker 1: come on, say this, you should be quick. The show's
Speaker 1: only a half hour with mail, so it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: too long today. Uh, Teresa, what is up for the
Speaker 1: people that you know? What's crazy? There's probably a fuck
Speaker 1: ton of people that listen to the show now have
Speaker 1: no idea who you are.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially now because I mean not like bragging, but
Speaker 1: like in the last six months or a year, like
Speaker 1: a lot of different people, even more cult people than
Speaker 1: conspiracy following the show now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, thank you for having me back on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I was more in your conspiracy era of
Speaker 2: your show.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yeah, but I mean from your angle though,
Speaker 1: there's always a spiritual aspect to it.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, absolutely, So, Yeah, I'm Teresa. I had
Speaker 2: a show called The Spiritual Gangsters, which is sort of
Speaker 2: inactive right now now, but there is a lot of
Speaker 2: like good old content on their favorite one wants to
Speaker 2: check it out. But yeah, I used to frequent you
Speaker 2: can't Reachectoh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're the original OG female.
Speaker 2: That's true. That's it's been a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the original female to come on the show.
Speaker 1: She was even giving us topics before the before she
Speaker 1: came on the show.
Speaker 2: When you were still n Y Patriot Show. That's how
Speaker 2: long ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when Box was on the show, you gave us
Speaker 1: that carnival as a topic, yeah, and something else what
Speaker 1: it was called. Yeah, Yeah, that's when I found out
Speaker 1: about Napoleon's freak sister. I had no idea that she
Speaker 1: was a freak.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was definitely for her. Yo. You remember that.
Speaker 1: Her brother was just like, yo, you gotta stop being
Speaker 1: a fucking horn. Come home. She's like no, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: like yeah, didn't you like literally go out to try
Speaker 1: to get her. He's like, yo, you gotta like kind
Speaker 1: of come home to you. But it doesn't look good.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna stay here in this villa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm bouncing around.
Speaker 2: She's a modern woman, she's ahead of her time.
Speaker 1: I guess probably some of the should just kind of
Speaker 1: like stayed alone, well just not married. Yeah, probably would
Speaker 1: have been totally fine with that, because I think she's
Speaker 1: more about like the world instead of you know, that
Speaker 1: way all the world and partying, not being settled down.
Speaker 1: Yeah yes, but uh, you know what was interesting too,
Speaker 1: When I went to Italy, we ended up I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's in Venice. Yeah, it must have been
Speaker 1: in Venice, because I think I was on one of
Speaker 1: those those I can't believe gondola. Yeah, I was in
Speaker 1: the job. He would think, like, Oh, this guy's taking
Speaker 1: a gondola ride in Venice and you can't even remember
Speaker 1: the nameborhood, Like what a fucking cocky bass that, Like,
Speaker 1: I wish I could go on a gondola in Venice
Speaker 1: and this guy doesn't remember the name of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: but uh, yeah we went past. There's something to do
Speaker 1: with neither Napoleon or her. Something was there that somebody
Speaker 1: lived there at one point. Yeah, yeah, it was one of.
Speaker 2: The more parts. Yeah, it was a weird place.
Speaker 1: But I really liked it though. But I will say
Speaker 1: it did have a weird vibe to it, just a
Speaker 1: weird It was different. It's yeah, I will give it that.
Speaker 1: I will give it that. It does have a weird energy.
Speaker 2: I would recommend to go because it's something to see
Speaker 2: for sure, But it's weird. It's got it's got weird vibes.
Speaker 1: Even the art there, some of the architecture of the
Speaker 1: sculptures were very weird compared to other things that I've seen.
Speaker 1: Like there's even one church that even was just like
Speaker 1: went inside like the it's been so long. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I even showed it to you. I'll have
Speaker 1: to send it to you. But uh, it was like
Speaker 1: these versions of Mary, and it was just like I
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, these things like almost look like like
Speaker 1: not demons but not human. It was just very weird.
Speaker 1: It's like the almost creepy looking.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I've been a couple of times and when I
Speaker 2: was very young, and uh, I just got weird vibes
Speaker 2: the whole time both times.
Speaker 1: No, it definitely felt like a weird place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I had a past life reading at
Speaker 2: some point many years later, and then some ship was
Speaker 2: told to me about Venice in the previous lifetime and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that makes a lot of sense. Well,
Speaker 2: I didn't really feel settled there.
Speaker 1: Yo. I saw a tag out there from fucking Long Island.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ship myself, Yes, a sticker, because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm doing my own believe it or not, you'll start
Speaker 1: if you throw up your own forty seven years old,
Speaker 1: I'm slepping. I'm stick as and forgetting the word gondola,
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do, Yeah, you know, but uh,
Speaker 1: you start noticing believing and it's crazy. Is how like
Speaker 1: when I even as I'm traveling, like you know, if
Speaker 1: I it sounds crazy, but whatever, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Let's say like when I went to Arkansas, when I
Speaker 1: drove down of the Florida, I would stop in places
Speaker 1: and like if I stopped at a gas station, normally
Speaker 1: not at the pump because I'll pull it down, but
Speaker 1: like other spots, sometimes you'll see people at take and
Speaker 1: I'll just throw my own ship up. You'll be like,
Speaker 1: holy fuck, I just saw that one like States Ago.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, like I've seen that back in like
Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, yeah, it was funny. A while I
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a community like any other.
Speaker 1: Didn't I tell you about it? And you looked it
Speaker 1: up for me?
Speaker 2: I don't know what was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was. I think it was like
Speaker 1: a three letter word and you found it something it
Speaker 1: was like three yeah, yeah, I think I might have
Speaker 1: told you about it when I saw it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: yeah I saw that in Venice too. Yeah it was though,
Speaker 1: and then we'll get into it. It was. It was a
Speaker 1: weird spot, though. I will say I had a weird
Speaker 1: energy it was even you know what to like it's
Speaker 1: only yo, so funny how you say that, because I
Speaker 1: was gonna say this was there's only one situation that
Speaker 1: I noticed, but like when I was going there at
Speaker 1: one point, like I think I had left and like
Speaker 1: you can only go somewhere from boat over there for
Speaker 1: people who don't know, so like I'm taking a boat
Speaker 1: back and there's like it's just quite obvious fucking creep
Speaker 1: in some young chick on the boat. It was like disgusting,
Speaker 1: and it was to the point to where it's like yo, yo,
Speaker 1: well one he didn't even know no, no, no, no, these
Speaker 1: were tourists, to the point where it's like this is
Speaker 1: where you go to not be seen being a creep.
Speaker 1: Neither one of them were fucking Italian interesting and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just weird. And you know what even made
Speaker 1: it fucking creepy is I swear to god, this guy
Speaker 1: was like almost getting off trying to be like physical
Speaker 1: with her in front of like it was only me
Speaker 1: and my wife on the boat with this guy, well
Speaker 1: my ex wife at the time. It was almost like
Speaker 1: he was like like getting off watching us, like seeing
Speaker 1: him win, and it was just like it was I
Speaker 1: don't know how to explain it, and I was just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker is twisted.
Speaker 2: That's weird.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is sick.
Speaker 2: Damn. Yeah, that is pretty creepy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it has like ancient secrets to it,
Speaker 2: like old dark. I don't know, it's a trip if
Speaker 2: anyone has been.
Speaker 1: It felt like that though. I remember even when I
Speaker 1: was like filming the two two or three churches there,
Speaker 1: it's just like even the skies, no lie, it has
Speaker 1: like this gloom to it has like a gloomy I mean,
Speaker 1: it's on the water too. I think about that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine what is in that water?
Speaker 1: Got the artifacts and dead people alone?
Speaker 2: Right exactly? All the first time I went, it smelled terrible.
Speaker 2: It was disgusting, and people are like, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: the sewage and the water. I was like, oh God,
Speaker 2: like that's so nasty. And then I'm just thinking of
Speaker 2: likes of like the Black Plague and like you know,
Speaker 2: back then, and like Mustave is ravage like through there anyways,
Speaker 2: neither here right there.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you though. They got a damn good cup
Speaker 1: of coffee for fifty cents.
Speaker 2: Then I'm sure you know it's still beautiful whenever go
Speaker 2: over to Roman. Ten out of ten would recommend hit
Speaker 2: up venice.
Speaker 1: You go over to Roman, that fifty cents of coffee
Speaker 1: just turned into seven dollars. Yeah sounds real. Yeah, yo,
Speaker 1: you know what I couldn't even believe. And then we'll
Speaker 1: get going. When I went from Rome to Reblo, Now
Speaker 1: I didn't pick this. I didn't pick this trip. I
Speaker 1: would have gone a little crazy with it. Probably would
Speaker 1: have went to Rebello. It's on a Maffei coast up.
Speaker 1: I would have stayed in Rome Longa. But well, you
Speaker 1: know I wasn't. I financially kind of took care of it,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't the person who, actually, you know, my
Speaker 1: ex wife kind of picked all the places.
Speaker 2: Snyder story.
Speaker 1: I forgot where it was going. Oh it's really nice
Speaker 1: and bougie area. Yeah, I'm like, it's fucking you up
Speaker 1: on the top of a mountain. You're like driving around
Speaker 1: the ship like you thinking you're going to fucking fall
Speaker 1: off the fucker. It was actually good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one of those yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that place I just thought it was so weird.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, so it would be kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: like that's like nice, you know, nice area to go to,
Speaker 1: Like why is the food cheaper here than it is
Speaker 1: in fucking Rome? Like it just made no sense, Like Rome,
Speaker 1: I could have gotten an apartment. No, lie, they had
Speaker 1: one bedroom apartments over there for one thousand dollars literally
Speaker 1: inside Rome. But then if you want to go get
Speaker 1: a fucking shit ass fucking eight outs coffee, it's like
Speaker 1: seven dollars. It's just you know, it just seemed like
Speaker 1: the expenses of food was just ridiculous compared to but
Speaker 1: you know, but you know what I'm getting at you
Speaker 1: normally in the United States, you go to a rich
Speaker 1: motherfucker's area, This shit's fucking expensive for no reason. But
Speaker 1: yet their shit was way cheaper than Rome. I was
Speaker 1: just like it just made no sense. It's like, why
Speaker 1: am I in a high class area but everything's cheaper
Speaker 1: than Rome was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Rome is like a way more major tourist.
Speaker 1: No I get that, esz.
Speaker 2: Come on, people are just you know, food, Like, maybe
Speaker 2: not as many people are going to go rent an
Speaker 2: apartment in Rome, but a lot of people are going
Speaker 2: to pass through and eat and drink coffee, and you know,
Speaker 2: go to.
Speaker 1: The US, all I did was eat and drink coffee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it's a tourist destination, but not
Speaker 2: the same magnitude as Rome. That's totally different draw you know,
Speaker 2: so it's different. I do find that in Europe though,
Speaker 2: it like expenses like food and like wine.
Speaker 1: So like what I'm getting at though, like like go
Speaker 1: out to the Hamptons and it's cheaper than fucking ron Conco.
Speaker 1: That makes no sense, do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know you're saying again the tourists, that's attraction part,
Speaker 1: but like I mean, everywhere I went was kind of
Speaker 1: a tourist attraction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Ravela is just like a totally different vibe.
Speaker 2: But I can see the hotels in Ravelo being more
Speaker 2: expensive because it's more like it's almost like more secluded.
Speaker 2: Like it's just different, you know.
Speaker 1: It it was on the side of a mountain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're not going to get as many people
Speaker 2: just passing through for a day. You know, It's going
Speaker 2: to be like like Rome is, like people could just
Speaker 2: pass through for.
Speaker 1: Like that was you and that was another one too.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because like whatever Bougie plays
Speaker 1: that was another one where he's just like constantly so
Speaker 1: dudes with girls where it's just like is that legal?
Speaker 2: It's a secret hideaway, see you secrets?
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck? Well, like some of them are.
Speaker 1: It's just like come on, like the girls like half
Speaker 1: their age, Like I'll just be honest, like they're you know,
Speaker 1: they are really attractive, and it's just like you really
Speaker 1: don't like that, dude, Like let's be real like you. Yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like come on.
Speaker 2: So she does like dude in that way.
Speaker 1: The guy pie falls asleep at eight o'clock and she
Speaker 1: goes down and gets sucked by somebody else.
Speaker 2: Perfect. It depends on your perspective.
Speaker 1: It's great for her. Yeah, you know she.
Speaker 2: Can see her her young boyfriend while he's asleep and
Speaker 2: just be the arm candy from nine nine to eight. Perfect.
Speaker 2: I don't know, listen, I don't have these sorts of opportunities,
Speaker 2: so I can't comment.
Speaker 1: You're crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm too old for that ship.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into our symbols. Well we'll meet up.
Speaker 1: For not having any mail, I guess, yeah, he didn't
Speaker 1: forward me anything. I did you feel like reading it anyway? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So you're gonna go first, correct if you don't want, yes, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first symbol we have is called the
Speaker 2: T T Y E T. It's an Egyptian symbol. It's
Speaker 2: the not of isis, a red protective sign that followed
Speaker 2: Egypt into eternity. Uh So, obviously, if you're listening to
Speaker 2: this on audio, try to picture a slender loop of cloth.
Speaker 2: Since tight it's tails hanging straight down, sort of looks
Speaker 2: like a wine opener.
Speaker 1: Yeah you said that, Holy.
Speaker 2: Arms like go up like a little It looks like
Speaker 2: a little man. This is what that thing looks like.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, straight down by the side.
Speaker 1: Depending on how you which ones you kind of look
Speaker 1: at it to it even, you know how like I'm
Speaker 1: on some bottle openers. It even has that other little
Speaker 1: piece at the end. Yeah, I mean it even almost
Speaker 1: looks like that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a simple enough shape to carve into
Speaker 2: stone or drill. From Jasper, Egyptians called it the Tietu,
Speaker 2: and from the New Kingdom onward they set it on
Speaker 2: the necks of the dead to symbolize the blood of
Speaker 2: isis a compact guardian for the body and a license
Speaker 2: for rebirth. Museums are full of them, the red Jasper
Speaker 2: type and Carnelian tiets from tomb wrappings. A bright fiance
Speaker 2: examples strong on necklaces, even pieces inscribed with the very
Speaker 2: spell that consecrated them. So what it is A t
Speaker 2: looks like an unk with its horizontal arms bent downward.
Speaker 2: Really basically a stylized knot of cloth and texting on objects,
Speaker 2: it stands for life and welfare, and by the new
Speaker 2: Kingdom Isis herself. It's often paired with the jed pillar,
Speaker 2: which symbolizes Osiris, and though was scepter in the triple
Speaker 2: sign sets. You'll see it cut in redstone for Isis's
Speaker 2: blood or molded in green blue fiance for renewal. So
Speaker 2: first showed up in the early Dynastic context, but his
Speaker 2: association with Isis and its funerary role came together much later.
Speaker 2: By the eighteenth dynasty, the t at emulet was a
Speaker 2: standard part of the burial kit from the pharaoh. Oh, man,
Speaker 2: how do you say this guy's name? Yes? Sure, that guy?
Speaker 1: That right?
Speaker 2: A menot the third. Sorry I'm butchering it.
Speaker 1: I can't remember that. Guys I got to say that
Speaker 1: I did you were like, how did you.
Speaker 2: Never I'll help you. I'll help you. You know who
Speaker 2: that is?
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, just remember common, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: There you go. So from a Menotepe the third onward,
Speaker 2: few people were buried without a t From the New
Speaker 2: Kingdom and late period Ptolemaic graves, there were thousands found,
Speaker 2: so pretty common.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody. Everybody was popping bottles with those things, yes.
Speaker 2: Opening bottles and then just putting them in their tomb. Perfect. Okay.
Speaker 2: So the spell that makes it work is spell one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six from the Book of the Dead.
Speaker 2: Egyptian funerary books don't just depict t x ts, they
Speaker 2: prescribed them. Spell one hundred and fifty six directs that
Speaker 2: a tet of red Jasper or Carnelian be placed at
Speaker 2: the throat of the deceased, consecrated with words that scribes
Speaker 2: copied for centuries. Here are the words. You have your blood,
Speaker 2: O isis you have your power? The amulet is a
Speaker 2: protection for this great one. It will drive away whoever
Speaker 2: would do him harm. Interesting. The met summarizes the instruction
Speaker 2: on multiple object pages. Redd is preferred for the tiet.
Speaker 2: The spell specifies neck placement and links the color to
Speaker 2: Isis's blood, a visceral image of maternal power and protection.
Speaker 2: So where we mostly find them and who made them
Speaker 2: workshop amulets in redstone or feance. They are located in
Speaker 2: Museum of Fine Art in Boston and the Met. They
Speaker 2: have textbook red Jasper tiets and you can even download
Speaker 2: their open images for close study excavated pieces. In context,
Speaker 2: we have the British Museum which holds a New Kingdom
Speaker 2: Feance tiet from Amara West in Nubia and a Cornelian
Speaker 2: example inscribed with spell one hundred and fifty six, proving
Speaker 2: that these weren't just generic charms but text activated tools.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It is cool. Yeah. Also we have glass and later
Speaker 2: material tiets, so the late period Ptolemaic tiets also appear
Speaker 2: in red glass, still honoring the spell's color logic. In
Speaker 2: the Isis o Cyrus mythic frame, blood and blood and
Speaker 2: binding are power. The TETs not binds protection to the body,
Speaker 2: the red ties it to Isis's blood, symbolizing life, childbirth,
Speaker 2: and magic. That's why the sign writes so often with
Speaker 2: Osirian emblems, and why the funerary spells insists on material
Speaker 2: and placement and words together museum labels and reference essays
Speaker 2: stress its kinship to the anc which symbolizes life, and
Speaker 2: to Isis and Neptis as divine protectors. So just a
Speaker 2: quick timeline, we have the early dynastic tiets like signs
Speaker 2: noted in the archaeological record. This is pre isis association.
Speaker 2: Then we have the New Kingdom tiet which is like
Speaker 2: one thousand, fifteen fifty to ten seventy BC. The tet
Speaker 2: becomes ubiquitous with burials. Spell one hundred and fifty six
Speaker 2: prescribes a red jasper piece at the neck. Then you
Speaker 2: have the late period Ptolemaic ones, which continued with mass
Speaker 2: use in redstone and red glass. The TETs then appear
Speaker 2: in amulet strings and as single throat pendants under funerary wrappings.
Speaker 2: And then in the modern era, the tiet survives in
Speaker 2: museum collections, Egyptological glossaries, jewelry revive. It's taught alongside the
Speaker 2: jed and was one of Egypt's core apotropaic signs. So
Speaker 2: how it was used then versus now? So back then
Speaker 2: it was carved, consecrated, and set at the throat during mummification,
Speaker 2: often described with spell one hundred and fifty six or
Speaker 2: accompanied by it on a papyrus. Also then it was
Speaker 2: worn in life as part of protective necklaces. The fealance
Speaker 2: examples with threading holes are common, and nowadays scholars use
Speaker 2: TETs to teach funerary technology, so emphasizing the color symbolism
Speaker 2: plus the spell text plus the actual object. Artists adapt
Speaker 2: the silhouette for ambulance and logos, but the red stone
Speaker 2: and throat pairing is historically the traditional usage.
Speaker 1: That's listen, m actually interestingly, Yeah, things pretty good? You know,
Speaker 1: it really does look like that bottles.
Speaker 2: Wide opener I was swearing. Isn't that interesting that this
Speaker 2: associated with red and like red wine? Oh jeez right,
Speaker 2: I don't know blood, I dig it makes sense. It
Speaker 2: makes sense in my head. Imagine that was the inspiration
Speaker 2: for the wine opener design.
Speaker 1: I'm actually wondering, like I have, is anybody like technically
Speaker 1: you could have repurposed this to do that, You know
Speaker 1: how people like use things that aren't supposed to do
Speaker 1: but like it works, it pops the thing whatever.
Speaker 2: Imagine they like had it around their neck and they're.
Speaker 1: Like, huh yeah, if they I guess if they the
Speaker 1: ship like that.
Speaker 2: Imagine.
Speaker 1: So I was wondering. I was like, yo, people could
Speaker 1: have actually have used that anyway, even if it wasn't
Speaker 1: originally meant for it. That might work still, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Very possible. Mm hmm, all right, one
Speaker 1: or boros boros? Yes, the tail eater that circles time
Speaker 1: make my notes bigger. I'm going blind. I think it's
Speaker 1: from Honestly, I'm even wearing glasses for the blue light.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a computer.
Speaker 2: That It's a lot of time on the computer.
Speaker 1: For sure, Oh god, yeah, especially with these souls people.
Speaker 1: Not trying to brag or anything, but the amount of
Speaker 1: time that is spent on those things in the editing
Speaker 1: making images.
Speaker 2: Oh no, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta. You gotta love doing it. For me,
Speaker 1: I would have to the only reason I'm doing it
Speaker 1: exactly because I love doing it. Yeah, do them ships
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 2: Oh? Totally. I love this symbol, by the way.
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, let me get to it, the tail eater
Speaker 1: that circles time. If you stand before toot and commons.
Speaker 1: Second gilded shrine, gilded shrine, you'll see something. You'll see something.
Speaker 1: You'll see a long divine figure, a fusion of raw
Speaker 1: and osyrus, bound at the head and feet by two
Speaker 1: serpents biting their tails, twin circles pinning the cosmos into order.
Speaker 1: Those rings are the oroboros, already fully formed by the
Speaker 1: fourteenth century BCE. In Egypt's cryptic funerary literature, they're identified
Speaker 1: with mehen me e h e n I'm saying that correctly,
Speaker 1: the encircling serpent who both protects and delimits the sun
Speaker 1: god on his night journey. The scene is part of
Speaker 1: what scholars now called the enigmatic Netherworld's books compositions, whose
Speaker 1: best treatment is John Darnold's monograph Popular Summary notes the
Speaker 1: same detailed to Orabori guarding the united raw osyrus, a
Speaker 1: visual of beginning and end and closing everything. From there,
Speaker 1: the symbol migrates first into the Greek magical world, later
Speaker 1: into NaSTA cosmology and alchemy, and eventually into Renaissance emblems
Speaker 1: and modern lore. Each stop keeps the core gesture of
Speaker 1: serpent closing a circle with its own body, but you
Speaker 1: will see tweaks the meaning like a cosmic protection in
Speaker 1: Pharonic Egyptian. In Pharonic Egypt, see our World girl world,
Speaker 1: girdling boundary and late Antique, late the elite gnosis, and
Speaker 1: then you'll see a unity of contraries and endless renewal
Speaker 1: for the alchemists. So I mean you will see it
Speaker 1: joining a little bit differently, and I do think like
Speaker 1: meaning sometimes different things. I would say, like for it
Speaker 1: to have anything to do with the eyeball that sometimes
Speaker 1: I think it does. And obviously the snake means plenty
Speaker 1: of different things, because I don't think it always means
Speaker 1: that every time, no where it first shows up, and
Speaker 1: what it meant there you have a new kingdom Egypt
Speaker 1: from fourteenth to thirteenth century BCE. The Orbos. The Aroboros
Speaker 1: is a tested on toot and commons shrine Panels. I
Speaker 1: was just saying, where two tail binding serpents ring the
Speaker 1: solar Ossyrian figure. Here the serpent is Mayhan, a protective
Speaker 1: and delimiting force. The picture collapses first and last the
Speaker 1: beginning and end of time into a single image. That's
Speaker 1: that speculative. It's how Egyptologists read the scene within the
Speaker 1: cryptographic nether World's book tradition, how it enters into magical
Speaker 1: and gnostic Mediterranean by the first century ce. The ourboro
Speaker 1: shows up everywhere in the Greco Egyptian magical repertoire, especially
Speaker 1: our magical gems worn as ambulance. The British Museum holds
Speaker 1: a Late Roman intaglios. I'm saying that, I think where
Speaker 1: an aur boros? You know what's I used to know
Speaker 1: what that was, because let's come up with them. The thing,
Speaker 1: but I can't remember it is encircles an entire microcosmos,
Speaker 1: including one notorious set notorious set of uterus ambulance. A
Speaker 1: Uterus with a sevenmitted key to a locket sits inside
Speaker 1: a tail biting serpent, flanked by protected deities like uh
Speaker 1: Nubis and Osiris. Uh. These are working pieces, not ornaments,
Speaker 1: survivors from the same world as the Greek magical papyary,
Speaker 1: and they aimed at warding off uterine disorders and hostile forces.
Speaker 2: Wow. Who knew could say something so crazy?
Speaker 1: Something I just killed a woman in herself she could
Speaker 1: be the hostile force.
Speaker 2: Wows too much.
Speaker 1: Nastic text, but nobody probably gets that at all. Gnastic text.
Speaker 1: The is scaled up to a cosmic boundary. Yeah, nastik
Speaker 1: taxi orbos is scaled up to a cosmic boundary. In
Speaker 1: the Pistos Sophia fourth century, Jesus describes the outer darkness
Speaker 1: as a great dragon whose tail is in his mouth,
Speaker 1: outside the whole world and surrounding the whole Do you
Speaker 1: remember that?
Speaker 2: H Well, I know that the reference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that is the older encirclar reinterpreted the ring
Speaker 1: that marks off this world from the next.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Did you want to say something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it's also a reference to like
Speaker 2: Satan is the king of this world, you know, the
Speaker 2: ruler of this world or whatever. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 2: the image of like the dragon encircling the world. You know.
Speaker 2: That's just my interpretation where.
Speaker 1: The alchemical turn to uh, the oil is one sometime
Speaker 1: in the fourth century, uh, preserved to us in the
Speaker 1: tenth century Venice and manuscript Venice the alchemist Cleopatra, the alchemist,
Speaker 1: but the alchemist clear patra of the alchemist, the alchemist
Speaker 1: Cleopatra call itself Cleopatra the Alchemist. Sketching bores with the
Speaker 1: Greek motto the oll is what orphan colored and light
Speaker 1: and dark half. It visualizes the I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to say this word. The opposites married within a
Speaker 1: single cycle kind of like the salve a coagula or
Speaker 1: death feeding life. That one folio Chirospia of Cleopatra chrystal Pia, Yeah,
Speaker 1: became the canonical or boros for later readers. And then
Speaker 1: the Renaissance revived well, the emblem that eats its own tail.
Speaker 1: When early modern adepts rehabilitated alchemy, they kept the serpent,
Speaker 1: and Michael Myers covered him before, and we covered the
Speaker 1: Atlantica Fujians emblem fourteen Prince. The caption straight this is
Speaker 1: the dragon that devours his tail. I remember one. I
Speaker 1: think we might have actually covered that one. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: the Science History's Institute scan shows the classic ring dragon
Speaker 1: coiled in a landscape a picture lesson in circular process.
Speaker 1: So yeah, people want to check that out. It's on
Speaker 1: the Michael Myers episode M and what it means boiled
Speaker 1: down Egyptian funerary logic. The oraborus is manhinded the circular.
Speaker 1: It protects the god and fixes the limits placed at
Speaker 1: head and feet, the twin circles, the twin circles, the
Speaker 1: twin circles image time contained. That doesn't summery.
Speaker 2: I think it's instead of an image, it should be
Speaker 2: symbolized as time contained.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, if I edit that out right.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's fine. Keep going, you're good, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck it.
Speaker 2: Buckle up a cup.
Speaker 1: Magical technology on gems and ambulance. We're still on what
Speaker 1: it means, boiled down like everybody. Magical technology on gems
Speaker 1: and ambulance. The ring serpent binds what's inside a womb,
Speaker 1: a set of apotropeic beasts or a names so that
Speaker 1: disorder stays out all right. Gnostic map a world girdling dragon,
Speaker 1: the last fence before the light beyond. And al chemical
Speaker 1: doctrine unity, unity of all things with a self feeding cycle,
Speaker 1: a picture of matters eternal return into new forms. And
Speaker 1: then who made it? Nose real, single inventor. So I
Speaker 1: can't help you with that.
Speaker 2: One, No one knows.
Speaker 1: And where you can see it, I guess, I guess
Speaker 1: if you feel like going to a place, you always
Speaker 1: go to. Toton Commons Gilded shrine out there. You got
Speaker 1: another one. Late Roman magical gems, the Oroboris enclosing Uterus
Speaker 1: and key with Nubis and Osiris and others with animal
Speaker 1: rows inside the ring. You can find them as was
Speaker 1: at the Brave British Museum yep. And then you got
Speaker 1: Cleopatra's Cairo Sapia. So whatever, I'm.
Speaker 2: Screwing, Chrystopia, chrysopia, I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one you can find online. Michael Myers can
Speaker 1: be found online as well, under at the Atlanta Fugiens,
Speaker 1: And that would be emblem of fourteen and today, really,
Speaker 1: I think people just kind of like used for how
Speaker 1: it's use today, the orboros remains a signature sigil of
Speaker 1: hermetic groups, fine press, alchemy houses, and contemporary occult art.
Speaker 1: So basically I was gonna say, it's still like kind
Speaker 1: of used for that stuff, even, I would say by
Speaker 1: people who don't even know what the fuck it means,
Speaker 1: just given it real or not really or don't know
Speaker 1: too much really about it. Yeah, I know for a
Speaker 1: factor that shit. Scholarship and teachings. Historians of science use
Speaker 1: the orboros to teach alchemy's visual language in Egypt's funerary cosmology,
Speaker 1: museums mounted in a case study in symbol migration. Interesting,
Speaker 1: you have to make it rounds chemist scientific lords. Also,
Speaker 1: chemists still retell kakoulies say that right, or boris dream
Speaker 1: as the metaphor that closed Benzene into a ring, though
Speaker 1: historians warn his accounts warn his accounts conflict over time
Speaker 1: treated as a myth of insight, not hard fact. Really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I even know of that story
Speaker 1: to begin with, so.
Speaker 2: Not me either. Sounds interesting. I also know it's the
Speaker 2: logo for the show Wheel of Time. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: one's a thing. I mean, I love that show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the unicoarsal hexagram that I uh I have because
Speaker 1: of what it ended up making it smaller on my arm,
Speaker 1: I chose not to go with it, but it originally
Speaker 1: had an or bors I wanted around it too. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It was just supposed to be that with the eyeballs
Speaker 1: supposed to be the or bors the extras instagram and
Speaker 1: then the eyeball in the middle.
Speaker 2: Yeah I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it would have looked cool, but it just
Speaker 1: would have made it, you know, everything else would have had
Speaker 1: to get sized down smaller.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to fit inside. Yeah. Well, and then of course
Speaker 2: you know the infinity symbols, basically two of them together
Speaker 2: joined in the middle more or less makes sense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's I guess that's it for the show today.
Speaker 1: I guess so yeah, that was pretty fun. What did
Speaker 1: I tell you thirty minutes thirty four? I did bullshit
Speaker 1: so much at the beginning, it would have been less.
Speaker 2: That's true. I can talk about Venice for so long.
Speaker 1: People like you fuck that. I haven't even left fucking Kansas.
Speaker 2: Whatever. Man, this is what it is.
Speaker 1: For people who do happen to have any stories or anything.
Speaker 1: Send him into headless as a fuck. I forgot. I
Speaker 1: forgot his email. Headless Giants podcast. Yeah, Headless Giant podcast,
Speaker 1: I don't think. And I'm wondering if he's said the
Speaker 1: Headless Giant podcast. I don't think it's the because I
Speaker 1: was typing it in today to send him something, and
Speaker 1: I think I had to type in headless, and I
Speaker 1: think I had thought it stuck in my head because
Speaker 1: of him saying that I could be wrong. I could
Speaker 1: have just been stoned up. But I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 1: heard him say thought in front of it too. So
Speaker 1: it is Headless Giant. I think podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: If you got a story, send it over to him,
Speaker 1: if you want to put your address on there and
Speaker 1: he'll send you some dick pics.
Speaker 2: People like yo, what is wrong with He's like goddamn.
Speaker 2: Now I gotta follow this extent. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Those one of those things.
Speaker 2: Can't disappoint the people.
Speaker 1: Beep show, No one of those those fucking what would
Speaker 1: I eyeglass things? You Monica is out. That's so mean,
Speaker 1: that's terrible. That's my boy. I'm gonna see him tomorrow too.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna listen to it anyway. I actually know
Speaker 1: what he does listen, so he does. He's one of
Speaker 1: the him and Jim and like maybe one of the
Speaker 1: persons on the show actually listened to it.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be mad at you for this.
Speaker 1: He's my boy. Yeah, hell yeah, I'm really looking forward
Speaker 1: to actually meeting him. But yeah, unfortunately, since this again
Speaker 1: is dropping, I would have liked to have maybe dropped
Speaker 1: it earlier, but I can't. So, I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: I could. It's just just whatever. But yeah, uh but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want, I'll send stickers. Did I have Did
Speaker 1: I have a correct not to dick pics? And will
Speaker 1: send stickers. I don't even know if I get to
Speaker 1: the stickers. Just left it as that, like, wait's being serious,
Speaker 1: I'll send that. I got stick his QR code on
Speaker 1: they I'll send out I send out eight at the time,
Speaker 1: hoping that somebody will be as uh as pathetic as
Speaker 1: me and tagging in the public for me throwing up
Speaker 1: on like a you know, sign or something on the
Speaker 1: side of the road, be surprised when you start looking around,
Speaker 1: you'd start to be like, holy shit, I've just never
Speaker 1: noticed like everywhere. Yeah, No, there's like like where did
Speaker 1: I go to I think, uh wasn't there's I think
Speaker 1: there was spots in Raleigh where there's where like I
Speaker 1: saw like stores and like places where it was just
Speaker 1: like quite obvious that like it was even like a
Speaker 1: loud like it was almost like doors on places but
Speaker 1: just totally tagged and stickers and like the poles.
Speaker 2: I was like, uh, you know, it kind of makes
Speaker 2: this fun art.
Speaker 1: No, there's been certain places where I've seen that they like,
Speaker 1: like I guess like welcome tagging on their their business.
Speaker 2: Sure definitely.
Speaker 1: Oh when I wanted to comment Pingpong, I slapped up
Speaker 1: stickers in the bathroom, did you Yeah, the place was
Speaker 1: filled with stickers.
Speaker 2: Also, if anyone sees your stickers in public, like tag
Speaker 2: tag them, tag this man.
Speaker 1: Oh there was a dude in North Carolina that swow
Speaker 1: one of mine, probably a mile away.
Speaker 2: Followed me, Oh nice, that's cool, and I hit him up.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, who do you listen to the show?
Speaker 1: I was like, you listened to the show? I was like,
Speaker 1: I noticed it says you're from fucking North Carolina. I
Speaker 1: was like, where are you from? He's like Greenville. I
Speaker 1: was like, did you find one of my stickers? He's
Speaker 1: like yeah. I was like oh. I was like, you're
Speaker 1: into that ship. He's like, I don't know. He's like,
Speaker 1: I haven't listened to you, checked you out yet, say well,
Speaker 1: let me know what you think. And I've never heard
Speaker 1: back from him, so I think something else. Probably probably
Speaker 1: looked at the art. He's like, you say that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is that is really fun to keep going. I think.
Speaker 2: I think when you make your art, you should, you should.
Speaker 2: You should do it on this show and break it down.
Speaker 1: Oh I wish I would do that. I would have
Speaker 1: no problem even the art that I've used, coming on
Speaker 1: and explain I should.
Speaker 2: Because you know, if any if anyone should think it's satanic,
Speaker 2: it's me, okay, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no problem explaining this. Really, That's that's what
Speaker 1: that is like, that's fucking weird, yo, even like Yo,
Speaker 1: there was a fucking lady in Walmart I was wearing
Speaker 1: the Woman the Sea Show lady and she started giving
Speaker 1: me the tenth the ninth grade whatever you say, fucking ninth,
Speaker 1: tenth degree whatever. Remember that phrase is what's that cult?
Speaker 1: What is that? You know what? You're asking me questions
Speaker 1: about my shirt and all of a sudden, fucking Jesus
Speaker 1: comes out.
Speaker 2: Listen, Jesus is always great.
Speaker 1: She was also a Baptist, So there's your answer. Do
Speaker 1: you have me see those memes where it's like the
Speaker 1: kid looks like he's about to like ship his pants,
Speaker 1: and it's like I haven't said so such and such
Speaker 1: in five seconds. It's like, I mean, it looks like
Speaker 1: a kid's like head's gonna explode. Yeah. Yeah, people always
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, I haven't talked about that. I if
Speaker 1: I as a penguin today in five seconds, So he's
Speaker 1: about to fucking blow up, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah. I hate to say it's like
Speaker 1: a Baptist to somebody who's like might be you know, satanic.
Speaker 1: I guess you can't like dying to stop preaching to me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: She started going on and when I was like, and
Speaker 1: I was like, she asked me, She's like, well, what's
Speaker 1: it about. I said, that's an artistic depiction of the
Speaker 1: inside the arrival, you know, And it looks like that
Speaker 1: was like the worst answer. I was like, Fuck, I
Speaker 1: can't even win with you, lady.
Speaker 2: Listen, she's not going to gather that.
Speaker 1: By no, I wouldn't expect anybody to gather that. But
Speaker 1: if you told me that, I don't know, if I
Speaker 1: keep going with the same angle, I'd be like, wait,
Speaker 1: now I'm confused.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like what I feel like she still.
Speaker 1: Wanted to slap me with Jesus shit, And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was like, yo, mother, I even said.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, it was a gangster. I'm like thinking,
Speaker 1: maybe she'll start shutting up or whatever. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I just checked the funk out.
Speaker 2: Please can just buy my items, ma'am. Yeah. And there's
Speaker 2: an expression my grandfather always used to say, they catch
Speaker 2: more flies with honey then vinegar. So if that's what
Speaker 2: you're going for, I mean, you know you're you're going
Speaker 2: to fight the uphill battle there.
Speaker 1: You understand who is like from my experience in the
Speaker 1: ocul community, even in then when I was like in
Speaker 1: the OTO, I mean except forely, like maybe a handful
Speaker 1: of just like angry people that probably whatever for the
Speaker 1: most part, except for Catholics, which I don't understand because
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keepthic No, which I don't understand because
Speaker 1: if you're into ceremonial magic, I just don't get, like,
Speaker 1: like you know, Christian Catholicism is like you don't see
Speaker 1: the connection here. I just don't get, like how you right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting at. And like you said, some
Speaker 1: like especially in the OTL, I was like, well, like,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe when you get up a little bit harder,
Speaker 1: you'll see that they acknowledge Jesus, Like yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll probably have a temp attention when you get up
Speaker 1: a few more degrees. By what the fuck? Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you did, and if you forgot too. This is based
Speaker 1: off of the Russian Orthodox. Ye sorry to tell you,
Speaker 1: but it's a full story short. Except for a couple
Speaker 1: of handful of just fucking morons who actually, for some
Speaker 1: reason just hate the Catholic Church because like they think
Speaker 1: they're a witch. And the Catholic or whatever. Yes they
Speaker 1: have whatever, but I mean it's just the same motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: They're so accepting of other people's religions who believes. They
Speaker 1: really don't give a flying if you don't believe like them.
Speaker 1: They're like, I didn't think you would. Okay, cool, but
Speaker 1: like you know, you get like a fun it's like,
Speaker 1: just shut the funk up, leave me alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just the funny thing.
Speaker 1: No I see a cross hanging around your neck? Am
Speaker 1: I making fun of you? No? I mean I would
Speaker 1: have no reason to because I see no reason to
Speaker 1: make fun of somebody for that.
Speaker 2: Well exactly, that's just the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, at least you believe it's something.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people wear across and don't.
Speaker 1: Believe Trump wear it for jewelry, Like yeah, every Trump
Speaker 1: puts on TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they wear a cross around. Then that can then
Speaker 2: they believe in prosperity gospel, like, come on, get the
Speaker 2: funk out, I can't. Yeah, but it's funny. It's just
Speaker 2: like Protestant Christians. No offense. But you know, they're very fiery,
Speaker 2: which is good sometimes, but I feel like being a
Speaker 2: Catholic myself, I don't think you'd find a Catholic like
Speaker 2: just jump on you like that they'd be. I think
Speaker 2: they are usually more reserved and are like, oh that's
Speaker 2: interesting what he has on. They might actually ask you
Speaker 2: about it out of curiosity.
Speaker 1: I think they have a completely different approach and not.
Speaker 2: Like shame you immediately. Oh it's just it's a different mentality.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wanted I almost wanted to be like
Speaker 1: a take and be like, you know, you're here just
Speaker 1: to wring my ship up and bag it like like
Speaker 1: not for no that It's like I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I come to these lines to keep these
Speaker 1: people employed because actually I'm against all this automated crowd.
Speaker 1: Instead of using yes, just fuck you, I'll just go
Speaker 1: to the fucking robots and you can lose your job.
Speaker 1: I'll get you. I'll just have more robots checked out.
Speaker 2: No, no, she met.
Speaker 1: Well, no no she did.
Speaker 2: She was trying to for her too.
Speaker 1: She was trying to what's those what's those phrases that
Speaker 1: she was trying to do a deliverance.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe she's not. She needed to this guy
Speaker 2: souls and Carol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, long story shot though, I think that all came
Speaker 1: from my art looking say t I thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: You remember the one time you told me that. I
Speaker 1: was asking you and I was like, yo, you really
Speaker 1: think my ship looks like that fucked up? And like
Speaker 1: there was a pause and I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: Like you didn't answer right away, and I was like, oh, fuck,
Speaker 1: here we go. I was like, and then you're like, listen,
Speaker 1: like it does look dark. It looks dark, And I
Speaker 1: was like, I just never say it, like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it does though. It does though, You'll be all right,
Speaker 1: especially like I never really looked at the main one
Speaker 1: that I had with it, like the film coming out
Speaker 1: of it, because like I guess, to me, it's an
Speaker 1: image that I saw so and it didn't relate to
Speaker 1: something that was a dark feeling. But I guess like
Speaker 1: if you were just to look at that with nothing, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see it being actually I could see it
Speaker 1: being fucking weird.
Speaker 2: That's more probably what it is for people.
Speaker 1: Weird.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, like any any movie or like heavy metal band, like,
Speaker 2: a lot of the imagery is questionable, it's jarring, it's strange,
Speaker 2: it's not typical, but yet people are accept that.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, that's the thing too, is that Well,
Speaker 1: that's another thing with a lot of my stuff, I
Speaker 1: assume people realize I do a pull out of like
Speaker 1: influence of the art from eighties and nineties metal. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of like an Iron Maiden, and definitely a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people are going to get that reference for
Speaker 2: sure when they look at your stuff.
Speaker 1: Definitely Basically the King guy that I used like kind
Speaker 1: of like spurred out of like I kind of a
Speaker 1: rip off of Eddie in a sense I didn't know Eddie.
Speaker 1: It's like the main guy for Iron Maiden.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean it wasn't you.
Speaker 1: Know what's funny it was It's almost kind of it
Speaker 1: had almost like a misfits Eddie idea, And that's what
Speaker 1: I pulled that out of video.
Speaker 2: Well, your show is called the o'cult Rejects. It's sort
Speaker 2: of a misfit rejects vibe, you know, like so like
Speaker 2: an outsider whatever, I get it.
Speaker 1: I figured I was like, what if I want to
Speaker 1: make art? I was thinking, instead of what would Jesus do?
Speaker 1: What would Croley do, I'll just rip everybody else. I'll
Speaker 1: rip everybody else off. No, that's what I'm saying. No,
Speaker 1: But that's what he did. That's what he did, though
Speaker 1: he ripped everybody else's arm.
Speaker 2: Off with Madonna the same.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'll just rip off everybody else's ship. That's that's
Speaker 1: the thing too. It's it's like, yo, somebody, like the
Speaker 1: younger people, they probably have no idea that like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the number of the Beast album cover, Like they
Speaker 1: probab don't even know what the fuck you.
Speaker 2: Know now, they don't know it's true. But I think
Speaker 2: sometimes not having that context, you're just looking at it
Speaker 2: and you're like, huh.
Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. I think without the context
Speaker 1: that it is like fucking bizarre looking at people.
Speaker 2: Weird for sure, Yeah, that's the thing. And because it's
Speaker 2: you creating the image, you know what it means. But
Speaker 2: other people don't know. So when they just look at
Speaker 2: it with no understanding that it's drying.
Speaker 1: You know, at that Arkansas thing and like for some reason,
Speaker 1: I guess that one people thought they should just bring
Speaker 1: their kids to that one a lot more. Oh and
Speaker 1: I had the Ghostbusters next to me, so they're attracting
Speaker 1: mad kids. And then I got I got this stand
Speaker 1: up prop that you saw where it's like you know
Speaker 1: that image where it looks like the guy is like
Speaker 1: the scarlet whore and the fucking cup.
Speaker 3: Of go that along and like the checkerboard floor and
Speaker 3: fire and I'm like, yo, there's fucking kids around my
Speaker 3: with I'm like, fuck man, I'm like looking at the parents,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, it will just get them out of here.
Speaker 2: You should have a banner with an alternative image.
Speaker 1: No, I think. I think. I think with your idea
Speaker 1: of like the Robin Flood type, like I might pull
Speaker 1: something from a grim more that shows like scientific shit
Speaker 1: or like the music of the spheres or something with
Speaker 1: the eyeball, because I think that will actually get more
Speaker 1: of a conversational piece. They're like, what the fuck is that? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't want my kids over here?
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's not offensive, yeah, because sometimes you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sorry, no, no offense. I can see how
Speaker 2: some people would be just like, I don't know, it
Speaker 2: would just bring up a feeling that they're like, I
Speaker 2: don't want like to be curious about this. You want
Speaker 2: people to be curious.
Speaker 1: There is some stuff though I do do just to
Speaker 1: create feelings. There's even intros I made that actually like
Speaker 1: made me like the sounds that I mixed together actually
Speaker 1: made me feel and it was almost gave me like
Speaker 1: a weird feeling.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, like the podcasting David Winch.
Speaker 1: You know, no, it's like like it literally it almost
Speaker 1: gave me like a weird feeling with like yeah, but
Speaker 1: then again I'm also listening this is sounding a fucking
Speaker 1: how insane it is to even make this ship. You
Speaker 1: may listen to something one hundred times over and over.
Speaker 2: Again, well and then you start hearing it weird.
Speaker 1: So like is it like am I literally like did
Speaker 1: I just do a mantra with that simple sound and
Speaker 1: that's why I feel weird? Yeah? But now there has
Speaker 1: been times just like even like certain uh, I do
Speaker 1: take to keep it ninety three kind of as a joke,
Speaker 1: even with some of the intros, with some of the
Speaker 1: weird sounds, I'm taking Saturn in the Moon, I'm taking
Speaker 1: their sounds and laying them over each other, which would
Speaker 1: be the ninth stree of the third Steel.
Speaker 2: Well, it gives that like a little not eerie, it's dissonance. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it creates.
Speaker 1: It sounds like almost like weird echoing sounds within like
Speaker 1: some grinding metal throughout it, it's fucking weird.
Speaker 2: In conclusion, you should do I won't do that on
Speaker 2: your and then also to wait to tell people about
Speaker 2: your stickers, your T shirts and blah blah blah. And
Speaker 2: then once they understand it, they might be like, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Should do that. I'm gonna set that up. But she
Speaker 1: got you me and Jewels on for that, I think
Speaker 1: would kick with it. There you go, then Jewels. Jules's
Speaker 1: wife cannot worry and think that I'm crazy.
Speaker 2: Times everyone can stop thinking you're no.
Speaker 1: But at first she was like, yo, what's it's? This guy?
Speaker 1: Is his long.
Speaker 2: Fair? You know?
Speaker 1: No? And you know you know it's crazy. He explains
Speaker 1: one of the T shirts that I have. Yah, because
Speaker 1: I explained to him how it was the eyeball, And
Speaker 1: I think even when I explained it to him, just
Speaker 1: like what the fuck that's all in there? But like
Speaker 1: when I explained it, you'll be like, oh, ship it is.
Speaker 1: I think he told his wife and she was sickly
Speaker 1: what like yeah, So I think she was just.
Speaker 2: Like she's like, yeah, I didn't get that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, I get you. A good wife. She isn't one,
Speaker 1: is you know where I was been fucking getting caught
Speaker 1: up with some psycho a few Yea, Julesie is good dude.
Speaker 1: I like that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I've done a show with him.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: The Vulteans asked me to come on with him. Yo,
Speaker 1: you know who asked me to come on again? And
Speaker 1: I was like wondering if they were going to ask
Speaker 1: me to bring you back showing at Atwood. He emailed
Speaker 1: me two days ago and was like, Yo, we would
Speaker 1: love to have you back on. Would you want to
Speaker 1: come back on? I was like, what the funk sho
Speaker 1: I show? I sure? He followed me on Instagram like
Speaker 1: a week or two ago, and uh, when you have
Speaker 1: like your own YouTube channel, will show you like recent subscribers,
Speaker 1: And I was like, what the Fun's got over a
Speaker 1: million people just subscribe to me. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: showing that would like so many mixed, so many mixed
Speaker 1: opinions about the guy. You really can't break about it
Speaker 1: on the show, just getting I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: We went on the first time and I was just
Speaker 1: gonna keep it real. That guy didn't fucking interrupt this
Speaker 1: the whole time. See now, I'm not saying that the
Speaker 1: guy whatever, X, Y and Z. But when you go
Speaker 1: on a show that maybe the person is fucked up
Speaker 1: and they start fucking budding in and don't let you
Speaker 1: fucking get certain places, then you know you're getting fucking played.
Speaker 1: He didn't interrupt the fucking thing we got off our chest.
Speaker 1: Whatever we came there to say, whatever. I got to
Speaker 1: do what I wanted to do. If the guy's fucked
Speaker 1: up their people, he got to hear my uncut message.
Speaker 2: The booker and everything. It was all very very professional.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh no, that was
Speaker 1: I'll keep it real, for real, for real. That was
Speaker 1: done ten times better than fucking tinfoil hat bookings. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the professional wise professional, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 2: It you can tell it's like an operation.
Speaker 1: It's like you know, no, like you know, not knocking.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. They have their own way of booking
Speaker 1: people too. It's you know, there's a process to it.
Speaker 2: But like it works for them.
Speaker 1: But but but no, that would seem Remember when we
Speaker 1: went on that ship, was like they were like with
Speaker 1: us the whole way up until I hitting record.
Speaker 2: Wood show. There's multiple guests or topics like per show,
Speaker 2: so it's sort of almost more like like a talk show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt like we had like somebody in the
Speaker 1: middle that was like having us ready to bring us on,
Speaker 1: Like it was.
Speaker 2: Just I really want to make sure you're ready for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're checking our sound. This is pretty wild.
Speaker 2: And I remember I was having internet issues that day
Speaker 2: and I was like, please don't crash out, please don't
Speaker 2: crash out, like and luckily it all worked out. Was
Speaker 2: the weather manipulation patents we talked about.
Speaker 1: I think when I went on we gained like three
Speaker 1: hundred followers that day too. That was good, a lot
Speaker 1: of people on YouTube. I was like, this was awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was good.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, yeah, thank you very much, Teresa.
Speaker 1: I had a blast. We'll definitely have anyone. Spiritual Gangsters
Speaker 1: go check it out. Uh, probably get are on here.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while. Topic fits. There's one that
Speaker 1: I'm looking into that I don't know. It might be
Speaker 1: a little bit shorter of a show. Maybe if I
Speaker 1: bring you on and we do it together, maybe we
Speaker 1: can pull an hour. But you know that idea, that.
Speaker 2: Topic I had before, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it interesting. It's just like I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's enough for like an hour and a
Speaker 1: half show, but I still think it's worth talking about.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting.
Speaker 2: I think I think it could be we might have
Speaker 2: to fill in some gaps on the research.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm sure there's other things maybe we'll get
Speaker 1: to eventually. But yeah, oh yeah, no, I think I
Speaker 1: got you coming on with some guest shows in the future.
Speaker 1: I think so couple, nothing too crazy, but we'll trying
Speaker 1: to get her back on here. And then I had
Speaker 1: a sweeten the deal with the Italian Witchcraft to get
Speaker 1: her back on. Between that and Robbie Barks, she was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll come, I'll come.
Speaker 2: Fine, I enjoy it. I've just been really busy.
Speaker 1: I do a lot of taking care of a lot
Speaker 1: of shit, so totally understanding. Yeah mm hmm, all right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is the end of the cult rejects. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you have any stories, send them over to Hella's Giant.
Speaker 1: Put down your address. I'll send you out some stickers
Speaker 1: you can slap them out. Check out his shows The
Speaker 1: Trialogue and his Monday Alchemy, Him and Him and Arrows Up.
Speaker 1: They'll be cooking some ship up. Check out the show.
Speaker 1: It's live maybe you'll catch one of themselves blowing up
Speaker 1: with some shit. I don't know. Oh they're doing alchemy,
Speaker 1: Like who the fuck? You never know what? Just giving
Speaker 1: you never know what? My boy, I have problems lighting
Speaker 1: charcoal and an altar, so I mean I can't talk.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 1: I got ship popping and fucking burning ship like I
Speaker 1: can't even light fucking incense. Right, all right, that's enough,
Speaker 1: we're over. Yeah go check out Hells's show, and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: check out the we got seven to seven seven that
Speaker 1: me and him were also doing going forward for people listening,
Speaker 1: if you happen to check out the YouTube, it's kind
Speaker 1: of something he wanted to do. I think this just
Speaker 1: keep it real to try to help row his YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Every other week we're streaming live from that from somebody
Speaker 1: else's platform. So if you were like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 1: see it done last week online, it's because it was
Speaker 1: over on Headlesses and vice versa. So uh yeah, check
Speaker 1: that out. Though it is still live on YouTube every week,
Speaker 1: it just switches plat you know whose channel, But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: we do. We do got that and we will keep
Speaker 1: that going looking forward to doing more of that and
Speaker 1: uh yeah until the next one. Everybody be well later