Speaker 1: He used to commander who got Podcast episode four ninety.
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Speaker 2: I'm never gonna discuss the changes of the recent implications
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Speaker 1: Podcast episode four ninety. I'm brand O, here's Ryan, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna talk about the impact of.
Speaker 2: The recent rule changes now in our day.
Speaker 3: Hey Ryan, we're back forgeting another whirlwind adventure.
Speaker 2: How you do it?
Speaker 4: Good? What is going down? Man?
Speaker 2: My ability to do those intros is going down?
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Speaker 2: Holy shit? That was not good?
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Speaker 2: But there is other things gonna go down.
Speaker 3: We're gonna finish off our conversation from last week talking
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Speaker 2: Did they miss anything?
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Speaker 4: There it is. Yeah, we're here, we are finishing our
Speaker 4: conversation about the recent game changers, changers and band list updates,
Speaker 4: band list update and generally the kind of ten thousand
Speaker 4: foot view of the format and what it means like
Speaker 4: going into the spring into Vegas, what we can and
Speaker 4: what maybe you out in CCO nation can maybe expect,
Speaker 4: right based on our experience, our game play, being in
Speaker 4: the community, both local and online. So the first thing
Speaker 4: that I kind of wanted to do, though, first thing
Speaker 4: is give you a little update on the CEO Experience
Speaker 4: Las Vegas, because I know the people out there that
Speaker 4: are coming, because you're a Patreon supporter over at patreon
Speaker 4: dot com slash CCEO podcast, you want the update too.
Speaker 4: Not everybody checks and follows the discord as often or
Speaker 4: as closely as they ought to.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they could. It's a great community, very
Speaker 2: much so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And of course if you're a patron, you get
Speaker 4: invited to the CEO Experience, you get the exclusive merg
Speaker 4: that's getting. You've seen it, you like it. I do
Speaker 4: still forgot the show producer Gary, but that's okay, that's okay. Uh.
Speaker 4: House is booked, Oh baby, house is booked. And let
Speaker 4: me let me hit you with this.
Speaker 2: It's real life.
Speaker 4: Let me hit you with this.
Speaker 2: It's happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is what we about. Okay, okay.
Speaker 4: It's got enough beds for everybody.
Speaker 2: Nobody has to sleep on the floor.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's very important. That's why. That's like why I
Speaker 4: booked this house. Excellent, but bonus or in addition to
Speaker 4: enough beds, it has two stoves in its big ass kitchen. Okay,
Speaker 4: so all filler, no chiller, killer Miller and Jared Sink
Speaker 4: guy can cook like seven thousand chili tacos for us.
Speaker 4: Our house is gonna smell cute. It's got a pool,
Speaker 4: Dona smell cute. It's got a pool. Okay, It's got
Speaker 4: air hockey, foosball. It's got a living room with leather
Speaker 4: couches where me and Rusty trom Jones are gonna watch
Speaker 4: the Stanley Cup final. Well, you're welcome to you can come,
Speaker 4: okay okay, yeah, and drink beer there of course. Oh
Speaker 4: it has an openflippy dot drinky stadium.
Speaker 2: You mean it has a room with a pool table
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 4: Yes, sick billiard's table. Yes, yes, yes, you have a
Speaker 4: pool table. And here's the thing. It has a frickin'
Speaker 4: street Fighter too arcade in it, peepee. So I was
Speaker 4: thinking about bringing a box a Jumpstart to do a
Speaker 4: Jumpstart tournament because I know that that's your favorite.
Speaker 2: Can jump start right in the pool.
Speaker 4: I know that it's your favorite, absolute favorite thing. But instead,
Speaker 4: maybe we have a Street Fighter two tournament sick that
Speaker 4: would that would actually be sick, that would be fun,
Speaker 4: that would actually be sick. Yeah, So that's the house update.
Speaker 4: The merch is going to get ordered. There's exclusive t
Speaker 4: shirts coming out. I took the liberty of assuming that
Speaker 4: you want one, I do, so I'm going to get
Speaker 4: you one cool and we'll have that. And there's going
Speaker 4: to be some new merch, some new stickers and stuff.
Speaker 4: So if you're in Las Vegas or at Magic Con
Speaker 4: Las Vegas March nope, June nineteenth to twenty second, come
Speaker 4: find us. We'll be wearing all our CEO stuff and hopefully,
Speaker 4: like we always do, we have an area with all
Speaker 4: of the CEO nationalites, all jam and magic and drinking
Speaker 4: beer and hanging out having a gay all time.
Speaker 2: I hope we get to play outside again. That was
Speaker 2: my favorite.
Speaker 3: I know that that probably won't happen because that was
Speaker 3: a consequence of them trying to.
Speaker 2: Pay for the play areas. Yes, but that was really cool.
Speaker 2: Also that in the shadow of the building and place.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Also that was in October. Remember it was a
Speaker 4: little bit cooler then we're going in June. It's going
Speaker 4: to be hotter in the Devil's ball sack.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's your point? Well, some of us will see
Speaker 4: through skin like you're good friend Ryan. Oh yeah, we
Speaker 4: get sunburned. Oh yeah, we're a jacket.
Speaker 2: No, I've seen people wear jackets in Vegas. I don't
Speaker 2: understand it. No, No, people do it.
Speaker 4: No, not doing it. Okay, So that's the CEO experience update. Sit.
Speaker 4: If you want to get part of I want to
Speaker 4: get part of that, become patron. Yep, that's that's that's
Speaker 4: how you do it.
Speaker 2: If not patron, but are going to be there anyway,
Speaker 2: of course, find us. We'll play with you. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be super fun.
Speaker 4: Yes, last thing about Vegas. I will have a full
Speaker 4: binder chocked full of new altered Magic cards and they
Speaker 4: need to find new homes. AKA, they can't come back
Speaker 4: with me because I don't want to bring them back.
Speaker 4: So come and find me. We'll make a deal.
Speaker 2: If you don't make a deal on them, I'm throwing
Speaker 2: it in the pool before we go back to the plane.
Speaker 4: I don't want that to happen either.
Speaker 2: There you go, so you help him out.
Speaker 4: Help uch.
Speaker 2: Your good friend rights directly into the pool. I'll even
Speaker 2: go with it.
Speaker 4: I'm fraid I seen it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go into the end where I can still
Speaker 2: touch the bottom though.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and he's the short one, remember, so probably.
Speaker 3: It would be the shallow end. Fine, it's fine. It's
Speaker 3: probably still deep enough to get a binder wet.
Speaker 4: That's it. Okay, unbannings, unbannings. Here's the thing. We last
Speaker 4: week covered all of the new game changers. We covered
Speaker 4: the unbannings. And have you seen any of the unbanned
Speaker 4: cards yet in the week or two since it's thing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: None? You haven't seen anybody play gifts on given?
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen any Sway of the Stars, No good thing,
Speaker 4: good thing. Have you seen any new game changes or
Speaker 4: played with any Oh you have, because you told yesterday
Speaker 4: in the pre show you or food chain story? Yeah
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: I did see a food chain in my own hand.
Speaker 2: I did not play it. If you want to hear
Speaker 2: the full story. Do check out the pre show yep.
Speaker 2: But so I have seen a couple.
Speaker 4: Of the new game Changers show up any other experience
Speaker 4: with Game Changers conversations at the Coachman Licensed Beverage.
Speaker 3: Room, Not at the Coachman Licensed Beverage Room, but at
Speaker 3: eed H and M as a whole. There are a
Speaker 3: couple of new like maybe trios of people.
Speaker 4: Okay, like like friends that are coming to play out
Speaker 4: in the wild, yeah, or that are showing up that
Speaker 4: I don't I haven't played with them. I haven't sat
Speaker 4: with them or talked to them yet. But do they
Speaker 4: need beat up?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 3: Okay, but I have I feel like they're newer players,
Speaker 3: which is good, and they talk loud, which is also
Speaker 3: good because I can eavesdrop.
Speaker 2: On everything they say. So I've been doing that because
Speaker 2: that's what responsible journalists like myself.
Speaker 4: Do, absolutely right, Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gary says, Yes, what I've been listening to are
Speaker 3: they have their bracket conversations I think are a little
Speaker 3: bit and this isn't a burn on them if they're
Speaker 3: watching a little less nuanced than ours in that they
Speaker 3: are still of the level where's like, oh yeah, that
Speaker 3: card costs fifty bucks.
Speaker 2: Of course it's superpower.
Speaker 3: Oh right, so there so that cola win mentality. But
Speaker 3: they expect magic cards to be cheap.
Speaker 4: You'd see us laughing if you're watching on YouTube, which yeah.
Speaker 3: But the point is I have been hearing a little
Speaker 3: bit more about it, and they've been taking it fairly seriously,
Speaker 3: like oh.
Speaker 2: Good, like a relief.
Speaker 3: Like I'm really glad that Worldly Tour went out there,
Speaker 3: because like I had one, and I was really nervous
Speaker 3: to play it.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to wreck it. It's worth a lot
Speaker 2: of money.
Speaker 4: And now and now I don't play it, and.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not gonna play it because it's a game changer.
Speaker 2: Oh like, to just stay away from game changers. This
Speaker 2: is what these new people are doing.
Speaker 4: I don't hate that, stay away from game changers. Here's
Speaker 4: some of the negative space about game changers is when
Speaker 4: you put a game changer in your deck, and I
Speaker 4: don't care what deck it is, I don't care if
Speaker 4: it's the only one in there. It's what you're doing
Speaker 4: is limiting theoretically the places you can play that deck.
Speaker 4: We talk about it all the time. I don't play
Speaker 4: my most powerful deck, not even like never mind CDH,
Speaker 4: I don't play my most powerful deck because like maybe
Speaker 4: I just squash everybody every game who's trying to play
Speaker 4: casual and Game Changers are and the bracket matchmaking system
Speaker 4: are a rules set that limits where I play my
Speaker 4: decks right as part of the freakin' rules. I love that.
Speaker 4: I love it. I've been saying that since the start.
Speaker 2: I like the system, and I've said I do that
Speaker 2: too where I have so I have a solid fucking one,
Speaker 2: it just cleans house at once, and I have a
Speaker 2: hard time playing that sometimes.
Speaker 4: To that end, we do have a theme deck, a
Speaker 4: one theme deck that we probably should update. The All
Speaker 4: Game Changers deck got twenty new cards, so get the list.
Speaker 4: Get the list updated. There' ZODJ put it the disc card.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be.
Speaker 4: I'm actually, I'm actually encouraged to hear that players that
Speaker 4: at least you think are new YEP or seem new.
Speaker 3: They seem to know what they're doing, like they okay,
Speaker 3: let me, they're not making like they're not tapping a
Speaker 3: land more elf to find a forest out of their deck. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: Like they're doing fine. And what they're they're they're playing
Speaker 3: pretty strong stuff, like they were talking about playing Kai
Speaker 3: Car and one of them has the TMAT deck. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: so like they're playing fairly stout stuff, which in the
Speaker 3: case to me that if they have a TMAT deck
Speaker 3: they're investing some dollars into because Tamat isn't a cheap card.
Speaker 3: So like they're new to us, and I would also
Speaker 3: suggest kind of new to magic.
Speaker 4: Okay, this this is what I'll say. I am encouraged
Speaker 4: to hear that at our own store, players who are
Speaker 4: less experienced than us are using the bracket system as
Speaker 4: part of Magic the Gathering Commander format's rules set. They've
Speaker 4: incorporated that into how they play the game, and I
Speaker 4: think that's a great step.
Speaker 2: I am absolute happy with that as well.
Speaker 4: And that's pretty frickin' cool.
Speaker 3: If it's one of the things that once you get
Speaker 3: a hang of it, you're gonna do really good with it,
Speaker 3: and it's gonna help lead to more better games, I
Speaker 3: think yes.
Speaker 2: And especially the rule zero conversation, and because that was useless.
Speaker 4: If they show up well rule zero alone, right, we're
Speaker 4: still having rule zero conversation. It's still a fetish for
Speaker 4: lots of people. Right. See the c CEO store to
Speaker 4: get your your fetish sticker, for sure. But to be
Speaker 4: able to have that conversation, have a rule set to
Speaker 4: do it with with your friends, arms you with the
Speaker 4: confidence to go out and do it with people in
Speaker 4: the wild, like you know how to do it, yep.
Speaker 4: And when you do it with people in the wild,
Speaker 4: it ain't a thing, and like it's not a big deal,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't take an hour and you don't have
Speaker 4: to read a dissertation and hope it be approved by
Speaker 4: a board of directors. Like it's not you don't need that.
Speaker 3: And if there's anybody and if there's anybody in the
Speaker 3: conversation that wants that, because that was a thing I
Speaker 3: would run into, I can just say, look, it's a
Speaker 3: three because this, this, and this, Yes, don that's it.
Speaker 3: If you want more information than that, now you're angle
Speaker 3: shooting me. And you want too much deck information, sit
Speaker 3: down and shuffle.
Speaker 4: Your cards and yeah, throw down.
Speaker 2: I have no patience for that.
Speaker 4: Come have you? Have you noticed? I guess if you
Speaker 4: haven't run into any other game changers. And over the
Speaker 4: last two weeks you've only played with like people that
Speaker 4: you normally play with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last couple of weeks have been a little
Speaker 3: bit less Brando out in the wild because Alex with
Speaker 3: his Ryan like broken leg. Yes, I've been like we
Speaker 3: save a spot for him, and so inevitably, like I say.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm saving a spot for Alex. So these two
Speaker 2: guys go sit over here, and.
Speaker 4: So we'll play with Alex a lot because you're being
Speaker 4: a good friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I get there the soonest and he gets
Speaker 2: there the latest. So it just kind of works out
Speaker 2: where just the dude bro's hangout.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine, that's fine. I just played
Speaker 4: on an episode of Curbside Pickup with Gemston Mind John
Speaker 4: All Killer No, Philler Miller, Oh my goodness, Colton McCarthy,
Speaker 4: Jenny McCarthy's brother, Oh yeah, and Gemston Mind John did
Speaker 4: I say it? Are there? It is?
Speaker 2: You did say it twice.
Speaker 4: I was there too.
Speaker 2: You're the fourth one.
Speaker 4: You got it? I guess if I was playing, uh,
Speaker 4: And we had a little bit of a conversation like
Speaker 4: what do we playing? This is my thing and I
Speaker 4: think I played food Chain in that game, and that
Speaker 4: was before it was a game changer, So it was
Speaker 4: like it was the morning. It was like a Saturday
Speaker 4: morning game. And then like the following Tuesday became a
Speaker 4: game changer, and I didn't win the game, so you
Speaker 4: s better? But oh yeah, definitely. So if if you're
Speaker 4: into the Fastest Commander gameplay on YouTube, freaking check out
Speaker 4: Coco's curb side pickup. You can see me talk about
Speaker 4: how everybody that was playing any card was a bunch
Speaker 4: of bullshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah and usually tis Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, decks that you play or are any decks changing
Speaker 4: as a result of game changers? Are you? Are you
Speaker 4: letting this define how you build decks?
Speaker 3: No, but okay, I do think there might be some
Speaker 3: changes a common to a couple of decks.
Speaker 4: Changes be a coming.
Speaker 3: I think so because when we initially had the bracket
Speaker 3: system come out, we both sat down looked at all
Speaker 3: of our decks. I have this, many two's this, I
Speaker 3: have one really solid one. I've got like maybe two fives,
Speaker 3: and then like a bunch of threes and fours. Sure,
Speaker 3: I've gone up to ten fours. And that's too many
Speaker 3: because because of new games game changers. Okay, yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's that's too many for me to justify in my
Speaker 3: because I think I can sit down with Norn and
Speaker 3: I can say this deck isn't a four, even though
Speaker 3: it has two more.
Speaker 2: Game changes in it now, so it goes from two
Speaker 2: to four.
Speaker 4: And before it was a three, and you thought this
Speaker 4: fits right in the middle of how Commanders should be played.
Speaker 4: We've got the mouth breathers over here and the ceedh
Speaker 4: killing laser beams over here. I'm kind of in the middle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can do all the things. This is a
Speaker 2: stout deck.
Speaker 3: But now, like base if you look, if you click
Speaker 3: on it online on my deck list, it's a solid four.
Speaker 4: On Architecture two dot com it says it's a fuck,
Speaker 4: it's stupid. Yeah, And here's the thing. Here's the thing,
Speaker 4: and this is one of my notes, and one of
Speaker 4: the things that they wanted to make sure that they
Speaker 4: made a big deal of is And for the record,
Speaker 4: nothing changed, no cards were printed. You're not playing any
Speaker 4: cards that were just unbanned in your Mono red Norn deck. Like,
Speaker 4: nothing changed in the list. But because more game changers exist,
Speaker 4: now you're deck's a four, I'll pausit this because this
Speaker 4: is what they want. This is what the Commander Format
Speaker 4: panel says that they want to emphasize is intention. How
Speaker 4: do you intend to play this game? Do you intend
Speaker 4: to tell people it's a four, but it's not that good,
Speaker 4: just so you can try and win more games playing
Speaker 4: in bracket three or god forbid, bracket two.
Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna tell people that it's a three and
Speaker 2: it has a blood.
Speaker 4: Moon in it, So so blood moon makes it a four. Yes,
Speaker 4: apparently apparently. Now blood mood's a bad example because.
Speaker 2: There's like ruination in it.
Speaker 4: Blood Moon and ruination aren't on the game changer's list.
Speaker 3: They're game changer categories. And we're gonna get into that
Speaker 3: later in the show. Because I've decided that I do
Speaker 3: not agree with it. We have to do something about this.
Speaker 4: Do you want to get into it now? We're talking
Speaker 4: about it now, Now you say you don't agree with it.
Speaker 4: There are game changer categories, and what you mean is
Speaker 4: like multiple cheap tutors or mass land denial or extra
Speaker 4: turns or two card combos. Those are game changer. We're
Speaker 4: going to call those categories. Yes, that bump your deck
Speaker 4: up to two or three or four.
Speaker 3: Because the game changer list would be too long had
Speaker 3: every single extra turn spell on it and.
Speaker 4: Every single stone rain thing, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly two freaking long.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you've got two land denial cards in your
Speaker 4: deck that also has four game changers. Yes, and you're
Speaker 4: positing that this deck is still a three yes, defend yourself, sir, well, cross.
Speaker 3: My arms, play fucking basics, then you'll be fine. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's the number one thing with the mass landed out.
Speaker 4: I don't mind that.
Speaker 2: And my game changers.
Speaker 3: Are meant to power out the ridiculous five cost spells
Speaker 3: that I'm playing.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, five cost spells. Ridiculously.
Speaker 3: If I'm ramping up into playing a possibility storm, which
Speaker 3: isn't a game changer, it's annoying, but it's not a
Speaker 3: game changer, or ramping into trying to swing with it
Speaker 3: at Tully before everybody's on lines that they can kill
Speaker 3: my Atali or steal it and then kill.
Speaker 4: Me with it.
Speaker 2: That's what they're there for. That's what it's doing there.
Speaker 3: Because Red doesn't have a lot of ramp So I
Speaker 3: play the game changers that let me get to playing
Speaker 3: my mid game stuff in the early game, like Jessica's Will.
Speaker 4: That did that become a game changer?
Speaker 2: Always was okay, okay, you don't play, don't I don't
Speaker 2: pay what do you play it?
Speaker 4: I have sure can't play manacrypt mm.
Speaker 3: I can play Man of Vault and I do. Hey,
Speaker 3: I got a Kirsten Zeribble Masterpiece signed, so I got one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: That's why I play that.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool card.
Speaker 2: And I got an Ancient Tomb.
Speaker 4: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: And I've got a Deflecting Swat, and I got a Gamble.
Speaker 4: And deflecting Swat and Gamble just got made game changer.
Speaker 3: Ship and the Deflecting Swat. Let's be honest, I should
Speaker 3: probably cut You could cut that. For the same reason
Speaker 3: I don't play Jessica as well anymore is because when
Speaker 3: you play it, Norn goes away. So like the only
Speaker 3: time I can just got I can play Deflecting Swat
Speaker 3: for free, which is why it's a game changer, is
Speaker 3: on the very first spell an opponent plays that targets
Speaker 3: my thing during their turn, if they attack or play
Speaker 3: something that I don't care about or thing that isn't yes,
Speaker 3: I have to play the just I have to play
Speaker 3: the Deflecting Swat for its mane coost. Yes, unless it's
Speaker 3: a very specific set of circumstances.
Speaker 4: And like if it's an activated ability, Narin isn't going
Speaker 4: to go away because he doesn't exile himself when you
Speaker 4: activate an ability, right, when somebody activates an ability, correct
Speaker 4: that card.
Speaker 2: It's a really hard card to play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I assume that you have one that has alternate
Speaker 4: art or otherwise doesn't look like a magic card that
Speaker 4: is correct, because that's the theme of the deck.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: I would say, Uncle Brando, your problem is solved in
Speaker 4: quite an easy way. You take this card that the
Speaker 4: format as a whole seems to have a little bit
Speaker 4: of trouble with placing, as in terms of power level
Speaker 4: right in deflecting Towata and also in your deck not
Speaker 4: that good?
Speaker 2: Are you saying I should have a Mountain instead?
Speaker 4: You could cut it? And you know what, Mountain doesn't
Speaker 4: interact in a negative way with your blood Moon.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: You could make that cut thereby solving your problem where
Speaker 4: you say, I have this deck that's a three, and
Speaker 4: it was more of a three before the recent game
Speaker 4: changer changes. Now it's a three still, but it has
Speaker 4: two land denial cards that, oh, if you're new or
Speaker 4: budget or playing pre cons that have lots of.
Speaker 2: Basics, aren't gonna be impacted by at all.
Speaker 4: Yes, And you could go even further and say, if
Speaker 4: you're playing the game changer lands, you're gonna have a
Speaker 4: tough time against my deck with its game changer category
Speaker 4: cards that are designed specifically to deal with problematic game
Speaker 4: changer lands. And then it kind of feels like you've
Speaker 4: got this thing that fits in in all the places
Speaker 4: it ought to and where it doesn't in the land
Speaker 4: denial category. You can say, this is the cards, here's
Speaker 4: the two cards, and this is the reason.
Speaker 3: Let's use some other deck examples. Maybe Nouran is a
Speaker 3: bad example. Lots of people played against Nora and they go,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this deck is crazy.
Speaker 4: I think it's a fucking great example.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about one that is definitely not a four,
Speaker 2: but is a four not because of game changers, but
Speaker 2: because of the game changing category, specifically, again, the land
Speaker 2: denial card.
Speaker 4: Okay, Obeca two.
Speaker 2: That's the multiple upkeep step Obeca.
Speaker 3: Equal to how much damage she does, Right, get that
Speaker 3: many upkeeps post combat?
Speaker 4: Yes, it is a four. Okay, it is.
Speaker 2: A four because it plays a rising tide in it
Speaker 2: rising tide.
Speaker 3: That's an enchantment for Blue three players can't untap Land
Speaker 3: at the beginning of each player's upkeep untap one land. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I play it, I swing in, I get six upkeeps,
Speaker 3: I untap all my land in addition to all of
Speaker 3: the upkeeps that I other upkeep stuff that I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it slows my opponents down.
Speaker 3: That one card takes the deck from being a two
Speaker 3: because it's not playing any tutors or any game changers, yep,
Speaker 3: and turns it into a four.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that that is correct.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that should be a thing, you
Speaker 3: know what, because yes, rising waters are rising tide or
Speaker 3: the hell it is is like and it's a nasty
Speaker 3: piece of business to deal with.
Speaker 4: It's like winter orb that you can break the symmetry
Speaker 4: on with your commander.
Speaker 2: Exactly how much does it cost to cast four?
Speaker 4: Four? And Obeka costs five or six? Four? No, she's
Speaker 4: three color, which which would allow her to be costed
Speaker 4: at four. Yes, Ryan math, Yes.
Speaker 2: Math is important.
Speaker 3: So yes, So like I can play Obecca rising waters
Speaker 3: swing with Obeca on tap.
Speaker 2: Some land, you guys are going to start having a
Speaker 2: rougher time.
Speaker 3: And I but I don't think that that makes the
Speaker 3: deck of four. I just don't like when you look
Speaker 3: at the list, it says this is a four. Why
Speaker 3: the fuck is this a four? Because you play a
Speaker 3: single piece of land denial And I just don't think
Speaker 3: that that's I think that that's doing a disservice to players.
Speaker 3: Me and Aiden have the Converse station all the time,
Speaker 3: like people should play. If you've got a wasteland, play it.
Speaker 2: If you got a tech edge, play it because there's
Speaker 2: super powerful lands out there and people are afraid to
Speaker 2: do stuff to stop it.
Speaker 4: Well, tech edged wasteland and strip mine, those aren't mass
Speaker 4: land destruction. No I could. I could if if that's
Speaker 4: the case, I could play Stone Rain. That's not mass
Speaker 4: land destruction. Right, So the upgraded and core and exhibition
Speaker 4: brackets brackets one and two and three say no mass land.
Speaker 2: Denial none zero none zero.
Speaker 4: And I've heard this and thought about this when I
Speaker 4: was going to get my DP my diet PEPSI from
Speaker 4: the car, I thought, hmm, I'm sure it's been talked
Speaker 4: about because there's a lot of smart people on the
Speaker 4: Commander Format panel and a lot of game designers from
Speaker 4: Watsie who it's their actual for salary job to think
Speaker 4: about this. So people don't quit playing magic. They get
Speaker 4: paid every day Yeah.
Speaker 2: To answer the question that I'm asking right now of.
Speaker 4: Why and how much is more specifically because they're not
Speaker 4: saying no, this card's banned. Yeah, it's just don't play
Speaker 4: it at this level.
Speaker 3: It's more powerful than any game changer. It's more powerful
Speaker 3: than any three game changers.
Speaker 4: Because oh, that's it. That's a way to look at it.
Speaker 4: Because I can play zero of this category of card,
Speaker 4: even though I can play up to three up to
Speaker 4: three free counter spells in Fierce Guardianship deflecting twat and
Speaker 4: for so will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh wow, I never thought of it that way.
Speaker 4: This is what I was going to say. I went
Speaker 4: on to get my DIPEPSI dep as we call it
Speaker 4: in the Nation, and I thought, I wonder if anybody's
Speaker 4: thought about number of game changers in deck equal to
Speaker 4: category that they're in, Like you get one in one? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like my what if? What if? My what if my
Speaker 4: theme deck needs because of a theme maybe in the
Speaker 4: art or all of the art is done by one artist.
Speaker 4: Maybe I need a Teffrey's Protection in my exhibition deck.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a teff free deck. Hey, there's a good example.
Speaker 3: That's a great example of what would be an exhibition
Speaker 3: deck that people would go, it's going to be a white.
Speaker 2: Blue control deck and noverbody's going to hate it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but pretend it. It's not. Pretend it's not.
Speaker 2: But that is one that this is an exhibition deck,
Speaker 2: like bellow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so my exhibition deck is bracket level one.
Speaker 4: It's the entry level in terms of power to the format.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Fuck, that's not even right. That's two yeah yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: Pretend I didn't say that it's a one. It gets
Speaker 4: one game changer. My core deck gets two game changers.
Speaker 3: I like that because now that they're putting game changers
Speaker 3: kind of as they add them.
Speaker 2: If they said that you can have two in core,
Speaker 2: then people wouldn't be going.
Speaker 4: You guys put seedboard music a pre Yeah. Yeah, they
Speaker 4: know that, and they acknowledged that, and they say it's
Speaker 4: about intention and that was built before this was built.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. Yeah. In three like always have now
Speaker 4: four in four or more or less, it's about intention,
Speaker 4: but we're we're looking for hard and fast rules to
Speaker 4: help us govern intention, right, and then five is just bullshit?
Speaker 4: Y Yeah, I don't hate that. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: they've made rules that say no mass Land denial, no
Speaker 4: two card combos, no cheap tutors, no chaining extra turns
Speaker 4: in things lower than four in four and some in three.
Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, So it's like, do we want to
Speaker 4: completely abstain from all of that kind of stuff or
Speaker 4: do we want to let and this is the slippery slope.
Speaker 4: Do we want to let intention take over? And say
Speaker 4: you could have two game changers in your core Bracket two,
Speaker 4: you could have two cards from this category in your deck.
Speaker 4: And if you do that, theoretically you could have two
Speaker 4: cards that aren't game changers that do combo together to
Speaker 4: win you the game, a two card combo that aren't
Speaker 4: game changers that you can't tutor for or aren't tutors. Right, So,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you're opening the door. Oh, I've
Speaker 4: picked two cards that maybe are One of them is
Speaker 4: a mass Land denial card, so I can have that,
Speaker 4: but it also combos two card combos with something, and
Speaker 4: now I'm breaking two of the bracket rules.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although now you're breaking one of the other bracket
Speaker 3: rule and don't you go?
Speaker 4: Well, and that's the thing. How do we make it
Speaker 4: as clean and simple as possible without without people getting
Speaker 4: their deck turned into a four when it's actually a
Speaker 4: two or three because they play a blood moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the ones that kind of get me.
Speaker 2: And here's the one that.
Speaker 3: Another example kind of the why is this where it is?
Speaker 3: Because Rebecca two, one card from one category, it's a
Speaker 3: four when it probablyably should be a two.
Speaker 2: That deck isn't very good. I'm probably gonna take it apart.
Speaker 3: Obeka one. Obeka one has not less than six or
Speaker 3: maybe seven extra turnspells and dear spells that end my
Speaker 3: opponent's turns.
Speaker 4: Thus taking away their untaps and their agency and all
Speaker 4: that stuff. You could compare Timestop to seedborn muse in
Speaker 4: that you're taking all of the time.
Speaker 3: Watch some old sidewalks slime. You'll see me Ti time
Speaker 3: stop Ben. It's hilarious.
Speaker 4: It's actually hilarious. It whirlwind between the legs, dunk. Oh
Speaker 4: so good, he's so good. I wish it happened to me.
Speaker 4: Me too, I wish that, but I'm happy for it
Speaker 4: to happen to Ben, because fuck that guy.
Speaker 2: That deck three, and it's got like nine or ten
Speaker 2: extra turn spells in it.
Speaker 4: You know what's funny? Time time stops a weird one
Speaker 4: because time stop isn't okay if we're very good, well,
Speaker 4: if we're playing one v one, time stop is an
Speaker 4: extra turn spell. Yeah, that I just and your turn,
Speaker 4: I'd take another one. Fuck you in a four player game, though,
Speaker 4: it's like it's like thirty three percent of an extra turn,
Speaker 4: so it's like you're rounding down. It ain't an extra
Speaker 4: turn spell. It's kind of like a counter spell or
Speaker 4: a fog.
Speaker 2: It's a really really good counter spell.
Speaker 4: A really good counter spell, or a really good fog,
Speaker 4: or a really good Jeffrey's Protection maybe or a really
Speaker 4: bad Teffree's Protection I guess. And in all of those
Speaker 4: cases it costs five six Fuck it costs six, right,
Speaker 4: So is it actually that good?
Speaker 2: And it's just fun and it has a beck on
Speaker 2: it that's why I play it.
Speaker 4: And it's a weird one because it it isn't quite
Speaker 4: an extra turn spell, it isn't quite a counter spell.
Speaker 4: It's certainly powerful and can act like those things. That's
Speaker 4: a weird one. Timestop is a weird one.
Speaker 2: It's a strange, strange card.
Speaker 4: And maybe we have to accept and again lean back
Speaker 4: onto our experience and our intention and read the fucking
Speaker 4: room boys, like read the room about my my two
Speaker 4: that's actually a four because it runs a land Anisle
Speaker 4: spell and just include that in our fetishized rule zero
Speaker 4: zipper mask conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I do with Obeca. It's like
Speaker 2: they say, it's if you look it up, it's a
Speaker 2: four because I play a Rising Waters and I'm not
Speaker 2: cutting it. I'm cutting it because because I fucking want
Speaker 2: to play it. It's the only deck I'll ever play
Speaker 2: it in.
Speaker 4: And you know what, I think that that's fine because
Speaker 4: you're upfront about it because everything else in the world
Speaker 4: with regards to you in that deck is like on
Speaker 4: like even ground.
Speaker 2: That's on the level, like you.
Speaker 4: Nuts start to the wind and it's like here they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh but Rebecca one not like it's not a four,
Speaker 3: and it certainly changes extra turns because the extra turn
Speaker 3: spell is in it cost fucking two.
Speaker 2: They're basically time walk.
Speaker 4: How do you how do you do that?
Speaker 3: Because I play Final Fortune, Final Fortune, take an extra
Speaker 3: turn after this one, then you lose at the end, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why I play Obeck still.
Speaker 4: Has count as chaining extra turns. I think that they.
Speaker 3: Do well when I go, I'll take an extra turn
Speaker 3: after this one, and then I take that turn, I say, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do that again, and I do it again.
Speaker 4: And that's definitely changing.
Speaker 3: After channing extra turns. I've certainly taken four or five
Speaker 3: turns in a row in that deck.
Speaker 4: And you're saying that that deck's a two.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no, I'm saying that that's the
Speaker 3: one that they should be uperating because it has such
Speaker 3: a high dense Ten percent of the deck is me
Speaker 3: taking extra turn and.
Speaker 2: Okay, and it's a three.
Speaker 4: Does arcadect dot Com not count Final Fortune as extra turn?
Speaker 2: Guess not? I guess we just did we find a loophole.
Speaker 4: We might have Final Fortune and time Stop both not
Speaker 4: extra turn spells on architecture dot com. Correct man.
Speaker 2: And the other three final fortunes are two final fortunes
Speaker 2: of the hell A.
Speaker 4: Warriors Demise, Final Fortune, Worst Fatal End.
Speaker 3: Maybe Fatal Push, Time Stop, Grim, Lava Gamble Red Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so that's where we're at.
Speaker 3: But those are those are the examples that I have
Speaker 3: of where it's just like the brackets are being applied
Speaker 3: kind of and maybe it's just the website that I'm using. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's applied strangely, and I think that having just a
Speaker 3: category that immediately makes your deck air quotes better than it.
Speaker 2: Is, I think could become over time a problem.
Speaker 3: And now, when everything is still in its infancy and
Speaker 3: it's still evolving, I feel like maybe now is the
Speaker 3: time to apply nuance to it.
Speaker 2: And if you just straight up ban.
Speaker 3: Mass land denial in in games four, it's can only
Speaker 3: be four and above, I think that lots of new
Speaker 3: players are gonna kind of come up having never experienced that,
Speaker 3: and because it only exists at four and five, they're
Speaker 3: going to be discouraged from trying to play in a
Speaker 3: four or a five because they think it's all Stax
Speaker 3: decks and turn three I win combos.
Speaker 2: And that's not true. We've all played.
Speaker 3: CDH would I would venture a guess, and I'll bet
Speaker 3: you we've all played in a really really high powered
Speaker 3: game of Magic the Gathering, and I would say less
Speaker 3: than half the time you run into those things, except
Speaker 3: when you're playing CDCH it's a different animal. That's not
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. And even there, you don't run into
Speaker 3: tons of STACKX decks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you could say we've all played up to
Speaker 4: what would be the floor of CEDH, the ceiling the
Speaker 4: very highest end of bracket four in the uh what
Speaker 4: do they call bracket four? Again? Optimized?
Speaker 3: Like you see all the thorical combos above and you
Speaker 3: look in the glass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: You don't because you don't want to play blue and
Speaker 3: red blast in your deck.
Speaker 4: Talking about a game changer rhetorical Yeah no, yeah. Stifle,
Speaker 4: nicely done. Stifles, good man. I got to play more
Speaker 4: stifles and decks.
Speaker 2: I want to see void slime more often. I know
Speaker 2: that it's not very good.
Speaker 4: I got void slimed the other day.
Speaker 2: I love void slime. I love that car.
Speaker 4: I got void slimed the other frickin' day. I was
Speaker 4: not happy.
Speaker 2: Nor should you be void slimed? Man, that's awesome. That
Speaker 2: should be a typal.
Speaker 4: Ooze card slimed. Okay, let's keep going. Let's keep going.
Speaker 4: I think we're making some some headway here. Intention important,
Speaker 4: very important, and maybe maybe the really smart coders and
Speaker 4: engineers at architect and space Cow Media can can be like, hey,
Speaker 4: maybe we could maybe we could put like a is
Speaker 4: this accurate checkbox or drop down menu like for your
Speaker 4: obecadec that's a two, or your norm deck that's a three.
Speaker 4: Yeah theoretically according to freakin' you, or not theoretically. And
Speaker 4: say like we want your deck to look or present
Speaker 4: like a four. Is this accurate? You can say no,
Speaker 4: it's a three, or this deck technically is a four,
Speaker 4: but user has declared it three, and and like, I
Speaker 4: don't know what that does. It's not like people are
Speaker 4: looking up your deck list when you sit down with
Speaker 4: them at a magic con.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never I've only had that happen one time. Really,
Speaker 2: it did happen once.
Speaker 3: But the reason it happened is because I was playing
Speaker 3: my Tracks a deck. Yeah, and you've seen my Attraction
Speaker 3: a deck with the physical cards I played.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're all it's textless, fucking crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the guy was like, this deck looks insane, and
Speaker 3: he was like, can I see it?
Speaker 2: He didn't want to look through it. You're playing, so
Speaker 2: like in between turns he was like scrolling through the
Speaker 2: deck list on his phone. Yeah, which I mean is like, well,
Speaker 2: now he knows everything in my deck, but who fuck?
Speaker 4: Who cares? It's an ATTRACI deck. I'm pretty sure he
Speaker 4: can go to da trek Dom and find ninety percent
Speaker 4: of what you're playing, which which isn't slight against you.
Speaker 4: What I mean is is it's easy to go and say, hey,
Speaker 4: which cards? Which cards would be fucking good in a
Speaker 4: traxa like oh he's playing this card? Oh what cards?
Speaker 4: Do play with that card? On erek dot com and
Speaker 4: like you could do some detective work.
Speaker 2: And he was going through like why are you playing?
Speaker 4: Is what?
Speaker 2: It's a creator and I have a crazy one. Yeah
Speaker 2: okay that makes sense? Yeah, okay, cool, Okay.
Speaker 4: New Game Changers, new games. You've you've had some experience
Speaker 4: with New Game Changers?
Speaker 2: Yep, I had one in my hands. That's the truth.
Speaker 2: Do you see yesterday's pre show if you want to
Speaker 2: hear the story, yep.
Speaker 4: Do you think that the addition to the Game Changers
Speaker 4: is good? Bad? And I'll I'll get a little bit
Speaker 4: more granular? Is in the way that Do you think
Speaker 4: the old list when it was forty that like the
Speaker 4: original forty? Do you think that they were pulling their weight?
Speaker 4: Yes or no? Are they now? Yes or no? Is
Speaker 4: it better? Is it worse?
Speaker 3: I think the initial list, and we talked about this
Speaker 3: last week, I think it was an I think it
Speaker 3: was intentionally small your conspiracy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: In order to test the waters to see if a
Speaker 3: list like this would fly, and then when it did,
Speaker 3: as it should have, because I think it's a good idea. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't hate I don't hate that though, Like if
Speaker 3: that's you're a trial balloon, man, that's exactly you're calling
Speaker 3: a conspiracy. I think I was calling myself a conspiracy
Speaker 3: because people are like, brand, oh, they're not going to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's fine to send
Speaker 4: out a small list to say, hey, like, is this
Speaker 4: something that people are even receptive to? And then all
Speaker 4: the feedback that they that they claimed they got was man,
Speaker 4: we want more of this, give us more, and they're like,
Speaker 4: oh fuck, we had all these other cards in mind.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Yeah, we were already doing that. Yeah they did it,
Speaker 2: and again it makes everybody look and feel good about
Speaker 2: what they're doing. So awesome.
Speaker 3: And I think that the list again is better than
Speaker 3: the old list because it is more comprehensive. I think
Speaker 3: it's still missing a couple of things. I guess we
Speaker 3: could talk about this in a second. I think that
Speaker 3: car a car.
Speaker 2: What the hell was it?
Speaker 3: I talked about it in the story also because it
Speaker 3: gets you two creatures, and it's an enchantment and it's green.
Speaker 4: Defense of the Heart.
Speaker 2: Defense of the Heart I think should be a game changer.
Speaker 2: I would argue that it should be.
Speaker 4: And it would be a game changer in the same
Speaker 4: vein that Natural Order worldly Tutor are game changers. It
Speaker 4: wouldn't be a game changer because it costs four and
Speaker 4: Diabolic Tutor isn't a game changer. Tooth and Nail not
Speaker 4: a game changer. Gets two creatures right into play, just
Speaker 4: like Defense of the Heart gets two creatures right into play,
Speaker 4: but you got a way to turn for it to happen. Yeah, So,
Speaker 4: like I could see why it would be and why
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be.
Speaker 3: I can certainly see the argue against It's just I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I was the good again. Watched the story yesterday.
Speaker 3: I was trying to play it fairly hm and I
Speaker 3: ended up JENNI Sin's waving.
Speaker 2: For fucking ninety.
Speaker 3: That's good, Like, you can do some crazy shit with it.
Speaker 3: I played in Attract as well, so that I can
Speaker 3: find the sludge Monster and talks real.
Speaker 2: So that I can kill all of your dudes immediately
Speaker 2: forever right.
Speaker 3: Like, the next thing I wanted to do with it
Speaker 3: was fun opposition Agent and Mara Marilyn morn Song, I
Speaker 3: wanted to talks rill and.
Speaker 4: Just because opposition agent means you control what they tutor
Speaker 4: for and you can play it. Yeah, And Marilyn morren
Speaker 4: Song says, skip your drawstep, tutor for a card, and it's.
Speaker 2: Not skip your draw step, it's you can't draw cards.
Speaker 4: Oh, you can't draw cards. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So like anytime anybody goes to draw card, they lose
Speaker 3: three life and I tutor their deck and.
Speaker 2: Play the card.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Defense of the Heart can do some fucking shit,
Speaker 3: and I think that it should probably be a game
Speaker 3: changer because of that. I don't know any other cards
Speaker 3: off the top of my head, but I think the
Speaker 3: list is as it sits right now, is very good.
Speaker 4: With the game.
Speaker 3: The aforementioned tweaks, I think they should make to those,
Speaker 3: like category things mass land denial and extra turn chaining.
Speaker 3: Maybe could use a little bit of finessing, but I mean, overall,
Speaker 3: I think that given them, it's still in its infancy.
Speaker 3: I think that it's doing a very good job. And
Speaker 3: I think because I've seen people using it, and I've
Speaker 3: used it. I think it's doing exactly what.
Speaker 2: We needed it to do personally.
Speaker 4: Huh, there you go. I'm reminded of Weird Harvest. It's
Speaker 4: a X spell, it's a sorcery costs green x Green xx,
Speaker 4: and it's each player searches for x creatures, puts them
Speaker 4: into their hand. So you could just go like Green
Speaker 4: whatever and search like everybody searches for two guys and
Speaker 4: you get them into your hand. I'm reminded of shared
Speaker 4: Summons Green Green three instant mind you instant search your
Speaker 4: life for two creatures, put them into your hand. They
Speaker 4: got to have different names, though, Like that's hard and
Speaker 4: in Commander, I'm not gonna put it my percent of
Speaker 4: petitioner's deck.
Speaker 3: They won't go into seven dwarves either, no no no, no,
Speaker 3: no no no. But here's the thing with those, you
Speaker 3: go to your hand correct with Defense the Heart. They
Speaker 3: go right into play and people say, why does it
Speaker 3: only cost four?
Speaker 2: What is happening?
Speaker 3: It's an enchantment for Green three. At the beginning of
Speaker 3: your upkeep. If an opponent controls.
Speaker 2: Three or more creatures, you sack Defense of the Heart,
Speaker 2: search your library for two dudes. Any two dudes and
Speaker 2: put them into play.
Speaker 4: It's only like eleven bucks a gain.
Speaker 3: Just because a car is expensive or cheap, it doesn't
Speaker 3: make it any less more or less powerful.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the price tag doesn't mean anything, correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it and.
Speaker 3: It's so good, especially if you're playing a token deck
Speaker 3: or somebody just three dudes. Like, it's just it's so good,
Speaker 3: and it can break a game open so quickly in
Speaker 3: any deck that can play it, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. Like, it would be very easy to.
Speaker 3: Find anything and a creater hoof if you wanted to.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you can find Grass, the Ultimate Juggernaut and
Speaker 3: a crater hohof at the same time.
Speaker 4: Make all my guys five three juggernauts that can't block,
Speaker 4: and then give them plus x plus x and trample
Speaker 4: ork x is the number of creatures I could Yes, and.
Speaker 3: They can't be blocked by walls that came in handy
Speaker 3: yesterday when I was attacking into a wall of defenders
Speaker 3: and lots of them were walls and none of them
Speaker 3: could block by juggernauts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were attacking into a wall of defenders, Yes,
Speaker 4: and some of them were walls.
Speaker 2: Yes, and they couldn't block because Juggernaut. There's a juggernaut
Speaker 2: bitch right, it's awesome.
Speaker 4: Oh man, okay, defense of the Heart. I could see
Speaker 4: a case for it, but.
Speaker 2: I would make the case that maybe it should be there.
Speaker 4: If that went on, I would say, oh, really, that
Speaker 4: feels kind of soft, because I think it does because
Speaker 4: it allows you to, like, you have to have a
Speaker 4: whole turn of the table, right, like a whole round
Speaker 4: of the table, and other things that require rounds of
Speaker 4: the table to be good. And I'm drawn a blank
Speaker 4: and I can't think any because Smothering Tithe is a
Speaker 4: good one. Yeah, uh is a game changer, I guess.
Speaker 2: So remember when Smothering Tithe was first printed, You and
Speaker 2: I went back and forth on it, yes week, is
Speaker 2: this even a good card?
Speaker 3: And you said, I don't think it's that good? And
Speaker 3: I said, I think this is fucking really good.
Speaker 4: You know what? And then in twenty nineteen I made
Speaker 4: it my number one card of the year. Frick, you
Speaker 4: know what, I'm sticking to it. Producer Gary's laughing at me.
Speaker 4: I said it wasn't that good, And my logic as
Speaker 4: to why it's not that good is still sound. My
Speaker 4: logic is sound.
Speaker 2: In principle in practice.
Speaker 4: If smothering tithe came off the game changer's list, though,
Speaker 4: I'd say, oh, I get.
Speaker 2: It when that first.
Speaker 4: It's a hole on a second, just hold on a
Speaker 4: fricking second. Okay, months ago when we first started talking
Speaker 4: about this, and I said, how come not Notion Thief
Speaker 4: and how come Hull Breachers band? And how come not
Speaker 4: Opposition Agent and all this other stuff? And everybody's like, run,
Speaker 4: you're so stupid. Cards in hand aren't as good as
Speaker 4: treasure on the table? And I disagree, what like fucking
Speaker 4: hit that. I don't know commenters on YouTube they're smarter
Speaker 4: than I am, aren't they? No?
Speaker 2: Apparently not.
Speaker 4: Obviously they don't play legacy either if they think that
Speaker 4: cards in hand aren't fucking better than treasures on the table.
Speaker 4: I say, unbanned Haull Breacher, and everybody's like, oh my god, no.
Speaker 4: And I say, make Notion Thief almost the exact same
Speaker 4: fucking card, make it a game changer or ban it,
Speaker 4: and everybody's like, oh my god, no, you're so stupid, right,
Speaker 4: And uh man, what I'm applying that same kind of
Speaker 4: logic to, like, what's better cards in hand? MANA on
Speaker 4: the table or potential resource denial along with Mana advantage
Speaker 4: in Smothering Tithe after I spent for fucking Mana and
Speaker 4: don't have a creature like Smothering Tithe could be banned
Speaker 4: or could be off the game Changer's list. In my mind,
Speaker 4: I think if if Hall Breacher is banned, Smothering Tithes
Speaker 4: can take a hike too. And if Notion Thief isn't
Speaker 4: on the game Changer's list or isn't banned, Smothering Tide
Speaker 4: doesn't need to be there either. But here we are
Speaker 4: Notion Thief and Smothering Tithe both on the Game changers list.
Speaker 4: So it's like, I guess all energy in the universe
Speaker 4: is equal or some shit sure unbanned Haullbreacher. I said it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate that I have some.
Speaker 4: I have one, I have three. It got banned and
Speaker 4: I took it out of a deck. And here's another
Speaker 4: good indicator that I've I've kind of warmed up to
Speaker 4: this idea. As an enfranchised and exclusive Commander player only commander.
Speaker 4: I don't play legacy. I play very little limited limited limited.
Speaker 3: If you will, Yeah, limited can fuck off. I wasn't
Speaker 3: sad when Hallbreacher got banned.
Speaker 2: Either.
Speaker 4: I was sad when Jeweled Lotus got banned, and I
Speaker 4: know we're not talking about Jewel Lotus, but it is
Speaker 4: an indicator. Would I be sad if Defense of the
Speaker 4: Heart got banned? No, but I have an emotional reaction
Speaker 4: to that, saying like what the fuck why? And that's
Speaker 4: the same emotional reaction to Jude Lotus being banned, but
Speaker 4: the opposite direction, right, And if I'm that polar in
Speaker 4: either direction, I don't think it should be banned or
Speaker 4: on the Game Changer's list, like oh my god, no,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about? Or oh my god, no,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about? Either way?
Speaker 2: And of course we're not talking about banning Defense of
Speaker 2: the Heart.
Speaker 4: No, Absolutely, putting it on the Game Changers list, no,
Speaker 4: But I'm comparing it in the same vein and at
Speaker 4: the same man of altitude as something like smothering Tithe. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and like Hull Breacher and Notion Thief.
Speaker 2: I would say it changes games as much as a
Speaker 2: smothering Tithe. I would say that.
Speaker 3: And again, I think that smothering Tithe on the Game
Speaker 3: Changers list is kind of soft. I think that it's
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't be there, and I'm the one that argued
Speaker 3: that the card was really fucking good. But I think
Speaker 3: it's that good.
Speaker 4: I think that Defense of the heart's even softer because
Speaker 4: I don't get anything out of Defense of the Heart
Speaker 4: on player two or three or force turn like I
Speaker 4: do with Smothering Tithe. Yes, I do get something if
Speaker 4: you don't pay. I do get something if you do pay,
Speaker 4: because you're like, I get something either way.
Speaker 3: That's my argument. You win no matter what. Money, you win,
Speaker 3: no matter what. And the Defense of the.
Speaker 2: Heart is you win if you get back to your turn.
Speaker 4: Yeah what if you What if I have Defense of
Speaker 4: the Heart and you go Wrath of God? I don't, oh,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 3: You just a timewalk myself, Although haven't I've been in
Speaker 3: those games where like, yeah, you go Defense of the
Speaker 3: Heart and then a Wrath of God. You're like, idiot,
Speaker 3: try a rebuilding and then you just like you're amassing
Speaker 3: and they're afraid to go above three creatures.
Speaker 4: Because I don't hate that.
Speaker 2: I don't hate that, right, So I've seen those games.
Speaker 2: I've seen it.
Speaker 4: That's resource management.
Speaker 3: And I've seen magic change a game of magic the
Speaker 3: gathering right, Well, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Could argue that any card changes a game of magic.
Speaker 3: That's true, but game change is the one that you're
Speaker 3: supposed to play around, right, like they change the game
Speaker 3: and that you the game revolves. Aren't like a primeval type.
Speaker 4: Bro I two islands untapped, you're playing around that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: How come islands aren't banned?
Speaker 3: Because islands aren't what's doing it? The counterspell is, and
Speaker 3: banning counterspells is outrageous. Putting counter spells on the game
Speaker 3: changers list is outrageous.
Speaker 4: But here we are but free ones.
Speaker 2: Fuck free ones?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you think that's often None of them are free.
Speaker 3: I suppose none of those cards, specifically, say free countertard,
Speaker 3: none of them, None of them, the best one of
Speaker 3: them all force of will that requires you to pay
Speaker 3: a life whatever, it's a fucking life and a specific
Speaker 3: blue card out.
Speaker 2: Of your hand.
Speaker 4: When did you become me?
Speaker 2: I've always been you.
Speaker 4: You're Rando and I'm Brian. I know it's right. I
Speaker 4: don't have an issue with You've come a long way, sir.
Speaker 3: I am perfectly aware that the free counterspell is like
Speaker 3: the backbone of what makes legacy one of the most
Speaker 3: gest formats that exist.
Speaker 2: That's why it is what it is, former.
Speaker 4: Course of will.
Speaker 3: Define the format for its entire existence, yes, sir, and
Speaker 3: I don't think that it would define a format like
Speaker 3: Commander in the same way because one counter spell in
Speaker 3: most cases isn't.
Speaker 2: Going to Oh no, of course, it doesn't blow a
Speaker 2: game up.
Speaker 3: It's just it's not. And I don't think that having
Speaker 3: all the free counters on there is. I think it's
Speaker 3: kind of spineless, if I'm honest, because it's people getting.
Speaker 2: Fucking butter that you couldn't blow up my seven Manda command,
Speaker 2: my seven man of Commander.
Speaker 4: Did they put mana drain on the game changers list?
Speaker 4: Not yet, not yet yet.
Speaker 2: They will they will.
Speaker 4: It's free, but my opponent has to cast something costs
Speaker 4: more than too.
Speaker 2: Exactly, But it will be. Do you think it will be?
Speaker 4: Do you think that they'll take force will off because
Speaker 4: they were talking about that.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they won't.
Speaker 4: They don't do the swapper a freaking Eiffel Tower tag
Speaker 4: team would whatever.
Speaker 2: You call it, the space dock. They will not. No,
Speaker 2: they will not.
Speaker 4: I think that they do.
Speaker 2: They will not dock, though I don't.
Speaker 4: Think I want I want freaking.
Speaker 3: As much as I just said I think that the
Speaker 3: Game Changer's list is great, and it is and I
Speaker 3: think it does its job and it does.
Speaker 2: I think that there.
Speaker 3: Are some cards on there because salt. I think there's
Speaker 3: some people are salty about certain cards and that's why
Speaker 3: they're on there.
Speaker 2: That's why Guya's Cradle is on there. But the creature
Speaker 2: that's a Guya's Cradle is not, or the other card that.
Speaker 3: Flips over into a better Guya's Cradle and puts a creature.
Speaker 2: Into your hand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're slow. Not they're slow. They don't happen
Speaker 4: on turn one of the land. I'm not arguing about
Speaker 4: game Changer.
Speaker 3: I just thought of this guyas Cradle on turn one
Speaker 3: is a bad play because you don't have a creature.
Speaker 4: What if I play all the zero drop Cheerio creatures?
Speaker 3: Brandle, your deck is stupid, so are you? Then you're
Speaker 3: an idiot? Do you think I'm not afraid of you?
Speaker 4: Do you think okay when you say somebody's butt hurt.
Speaker 4: That's why free counter spells are on the game Changer's list.
Speaker 2: I think, strictly my opinion.
Speaker 4: I don't think that there's anybody on the Commander format
Speaker 4: panel or internally in Watsy, who has a hand in
Speaker 4: this decision? Game changers decision. I don't think that anybody
Speaker 4: is that shortsighted. You don't think just to say, oh,
Speaker 4: I've been blown out in Commander by Force a Will
Speaker 4: too many times for for like, I don't think that
Speaker 4: like anybody is that naive.
Speaker 2: That's literally why they bants. That's okay, no reason.
Speaker 4: No, it isn't. No, it isn't. Let's stay off of
Speaker 4: Joe lotus from it. Do you think that and this
Speaker 4: is this is dangerous territory to get into when arguing.
Speaker 4: Do you think that they think players don't like that?
Speaker 4: Does the Commander format Panel and Watsy think people don't
Speaker 4: like to play against Force a Will? Yes? I love
Speaker 4: playing against force Will?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Am I the oddity?
Speaker 2: No, we do.
Speaker 3: I think the established players and players, once they gain
Speaker 3: enough experience, once they've had the do the thing phase, right,
Speaker 3: because everybody loves to do the thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to do the thing phase is the phase I
Speaker 4: think where you have the most trouble with Force of
Speaker 4: Will and its.
Speaker 3: Friends precisely, and then once you've moved up Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm leveling up my game a little bit.
Speaker 4: I've cast team at dragon Storm like a hundred times.
Speaker 3: It's time for me to move into the four bracket
Speaker 3: where I have to worry about man and man of
Speaker 3: denial and extra turn chaining and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: And I know that it's going to happen because that's
Speaker 4: magic the gathering.
Speaker 3: And in situations like that, I think that players eventually
Speaker 3: come to a point where they're looking for a game
Speaker 3: that has those really sneaky interactions that you have to
Speaker 3: play around how many how many.
Speaker 2: Cards do you have in your hand?
Speaker 3: Asking how many cards you have in your hand is
Speaker 3: the same as looking at somebody's board state and seeing
Speaker 3: they have two open islands. It's the same thing because
Speaker 3: you're playing around the exact same card. And I think
Speaker 3: there's a point where an established player, players played for
Speaker 3: a long time, looks for that. But I think that
Speaker 3: I'm not saying about the panel, but I am saying
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit.
Speaker 2: If there's watsa influence on the panel, I.
Speaker 3: Would suggest that they would prefer to cater to the
Speaker 3: I want to do the thing crowd, because that's who
Speaker 3: they're printing cards for right now. That's why you could
Speaker 3: in assistent stuff exists right For.
Speaker 4: Sure, you could infer that there are more people in
Speaker 4: magic because it's boomed over the last four years. There's
Speaker 4: more people in magic with less than four years experience,
Speaker 4: then there are people with more than four years experience.
Speaker 4: Now is it four years, is it five years? Is
Speaker 4: it two years? I don't know. I'm just picking a
Speaker 4: number and just saying there's more people with less experience
Speaker 4: less experience than there are people with more experience. Sure, arbitrary.
Speaker 4: And if that's the player base that wats He's making
Speaker 4: cards for, and that's the direction the game is heading
Speaker 4: in because they want it to grow, and as Magic players,
Speaker 4: theoretically we should want it to grow too. We are
Speaker 4: firm believers in this.
Speaker 3: Yes, I want the game to grow as big as
Speaker 3: it can be because I love it and I want
Speaker 3: everybody to play it exactly.
Speaker 2: I want Maggie to play. I don't want Gary to
Speaker 2: play it. I want everybody plays games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if Gary could play,
Speaker 4: Meggie could know. If we want that, we I mean,
Speaker 4: we have to be on board with this, but maybe
Speaker 4: our interest is not the exact same thing. Is what
Speaker 4: the Commander format panel and Watsie assume the general player base.
Speaker 4: His interest is. And I will say this too. I
Speaker 4: just listened to the Command Zone the other day, Rachel
Speaker 4: and Jos Josh Lacroix. We're talking about like this was
Speaker 4: our information that we presented and we advocated for wats
Speaker 4: he takes it and makes the decision. So that's coming
Speaker 4: right from the horse's mouth, Like there are outside or
Speaker 4: sorry inside Watsea decisions that have nothing to do with
Speaker 4: the outside command or format panel input. Of course, of
Speaker 4: course it's their game, it's their sandbox and we just
Speaker 4: all play in it. Yeah, and hmm, I'm gonna say
Speaker 4: this for anybody from Watsie listening, and we know you're there.
Speaker 2: We love you guys by the way, you do a
Speaker 2: hard job. Oh, nobody should ever threaten to kill you
Speaker 2: or your family. No public service message to everybody out there.
Speaker 4: Also a magic players like playing against free counters. I'm
Speaker 4: saying that and saying it with a not straight face,
Speaker 4: makes it like I'm joking and it's not true.
Speaker 2: But it is, But it's true. There is a level
Speaker 2: where I firmly believe that people look for.
Speaker 4: It and then look forward in liking it. Different things though,
Speaker 4: and and the other thing about it is nobody's ever
Speaker 4: gonna say that they like it. It's like it's like
Speaker 4: the random guy who likes feet. Nobody's gonna admit that
Speaker 4: they like feet.
Speaker 2: You're either tits or ass unless you're in the nation,
Speaker 2: in which case it is totally fine. We're not gonna
Speaker 2: shame you.
Speaker 4: And if you're somebody that I still haven't ran into anybody,
Speaker 4: and I'll bet you we know somebody. Playing against free
Speaker 4: counter spells is like playing against the guy who likes feet. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know what, you don't have to admit admit
Speaker 4: it because I just did it for you, not that
Speaker 4: I like feet. See see trap myself, I fucking trap myself.
Speaker 2: It's like it's just adding an extra layer of complexity
Speaker 2: to the game.
Speaker 3: And if you want to have free counter spells on
Speaker 3: the game changer list, to make them a category like
Speaker 3: mass land denial.
Speaker 4: Oh, I like that idea, Right, that's a good idea.
Speaker 4: If it's three counter spells are their own category, they're
Speaker 4: not game changers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would suggest that that would be a better.
Speaker 4: Position to do it. That doesn't do it, That just
Speaker 4: puts them in brackets four now instead of in bracket three.
Speaker 4: I could play three of them. Yeah, I suppose I
Speaker 4: could play three of them in three and three of
Speaker 4: them and four, four of them and four. I can't
Speaker 4: play any of them in two, whether they're game changers
Speaker 4: or not.
Speaker 2: You can't now, You're right if you can't now anyway,
Speaker 2: I could play foil, that's true, could play Days also true.
Speaker 4: Fuck I got hard cast dazed one time. A few
Speaker 4: Joela is playing my deck and dazed meet my own shit.
Speaker 4: Fucking terrible, uh see terrible playing against free counter spells. See,
Speaker 4: but only when it was my own thoe.
Speaker 3: But it makes you a better player, and it like
Speaker 3: it is it. I hate to say that because it
Speaker 3: sounds like I'm condescending, and I'm not. It's just it's
Speaker 3: an extra level of complexity to a very complex game,
Speaker 3: and I think that at a certain level people are
Speaker 3: looking to get into that environment, and that's where the
Speaker 3: free counter spells live. You shouldn't play them in fucking two.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: If you have a one where every spell counters aspell
Speaker 3: dot deck.
Speaker 4: No every spells, free theme deck, everything's a zero drop
Speaker 4: that that deck would be a good deck to have
Speaker 4: your guys cradle in. You're one game changer. If you
Speaker 4: get one, and then you take the free counter spells
Speaker 4: off like mac mac attack, he's got.
Speaker 2: You didn't even need land. Everything's free.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, only MDFC. We built that deck zero land
Speaker 4: up on the Commander Cooko YouTube channel. Mac Attack has
Speaker 4: a deck. Every deck is every every card has something
Speaker 4: to do with one. I want to make the deck
Speaker 4: everything has something to do with zero. A guy's cradle
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 2: You know what you could do with that?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: You could just play the biggest, beefiest, strongest beaters. What
Speaker 2: does what to do with zero? Because it makes your
Speaker 2: life towards zero? Right, that's you can justify anything with
Speaker 2: a good.
Speaker 4: Yeah we did it. Oh yeah, okay, so this is
Speaker 4: what I've come come to realize. Ok So we don't
Speaker 4: get too long in the tooth Producer Gary falls asleep.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's wired.
Speaker 4: He's wired, seventeen cups of coffee, he's peede and pooped
Speaker 4: like six times today, three times in the toilet even yeah,
Speaker 4: defense of the heart, ban it, that's what I heard
Speaker 4: from you. No ban it, change mass land denial completely. Okay,
Speaker 4: play all of it that you want, Guy's cradle and
Speaker 4: all of the things that do guyas Cradle stuff except
Speaker 4: for Guy's Cradle. Ban them all except for guys Cradle banon,
Speaker 4: but don't don't ban it. Okay. That was completely clear,
Speaker 4: wasn't it. Notion Thief far less powerful than hull Breacher, absolutely,
Speaker 4: except for when I have a whole bunch of cards
Speaker 4: in my hand, then hull Breacher is more powerful. But
Speaker 4: I need them for Notion Thief. So unbanned both of them. Yep,
Speaker 4: actually banned Notion Thief and Unbannedhall Preacher. That was totally clear,
Speaker 4: wasn't it. Yes, okay, and uh Jeweled Lotus definitely unbanned that. Yes,
Speaker 4: that one was clear. It was clear.
Speaker 2: We've been very clear on that.
Speaker 4: Yes, everything else, Yeah, good intentions or bad intentions, as
Speaker 4: long as you have intentions, as long as it does
Speaker 4: you have intentions.
Speaker 2: Even if you have bad intentions, just say that.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, that's great for chaos decks.
Speaker 2: This is my deck that's designed to make you scoop. Actually, yes,
Speaker 2: just say that to somebody.
Speaker 4: I have had people say that to me. And you
Speaker 4: know what, that's better than playing your chaos warp and
Speaker 4: your confusion in the ranks and your warp world and
Speaker 4: your this and you're that and describe, well, no, it's yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's not that bad because it wins, because it
Speaker 4: actually frickin' winses. Okay, And I've been sitting and playing
Speaker 4: Magic for twenty five minutes, and I've had my lands
Speaker 4: tapped and blown up and confused and ranked and warped
Speaker 4: and worlded, and it's like, how does your deck win? Oh?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just hope my opponent scoops. Actually,
Speaker 4: we've all sat down, or anybody who's who's got some
Speaker 4: experience playing Magic, lowercase capital E experience playing Magic. Sorry,
Speaker 4: uh has had that experience? We have, yes, And I
Speaker 4: would rather somebody sit down and tell me that that's
Speaker 4: their intention, so I can just say, eh, there's there's
Speaker 4: five thousand other Magic players sitting behind me waiting to
Speaker 4: play at Magic Con Las Vegas. I'm gonna go do
Speaker 4: that with somebody else. And I don't care if you're
Speaker 4: playing a bracket two that has mass land denial and
Speaker 4: two card extra combo turned jerk off commander. I don't care.
Speaker 4: This won't play yep, I don't know. That kind of
Speaker 4: seems like a loan note to end on.
Speaker 3: No man, that's one of the agency intention is when
Speaker 3: you're building decks. But remember, regardless of somebody else's intention,
Speaker 3: you have the agency to say no, I'm not into that.
Speaker 4: Oh you can.
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that, and if they insist,
Speaker 3: then you can off. There's hundreds of there's hundreds more
Speaker 3: magic players out there that you can go play with,
Speaker 3: Go play.
Speaker 4: With them, or vote with your feet this yeah, especially
Speaker 4: the foot people out there. Yeah. Uh. For anybody who
Speaker 4: comes back to that and says, well, I don't have
Speaker 4: a local game store, I only have one playgroup. I
Speaker 4: don't know what to do. Literally play online. You could
Speaker 4: worst case scenario, play brawl on arena. It has to
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Speaker 4: webcam or a cell phone, you could play on spell
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Speaker 4: Magic the Gathering Discord, or if you join our Patreon
Speaker 4: you can play with us. There's there's a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of places to play online, and then you can do
Speaker 4: what we just described, which is have the agency to
Speaker 4: say no. Yeah, I mean if you and.
Speaker 3: If your bodies, we did a whole episode and if
Speaker 3: you have a body that's the fucking griefer, what do
Speaker 3: you do?
Speaker 1: With them.
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Speaker 2: There's things that should be game changers, your extra.
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Speaker 4: Here's here's the thing. When they unban Hullbreacher and print
Speaker 4: it in Final Fantasy, you could get it there. Oh man,
Speaker 4: I hope they put Band and Commander cards into Final
Speaker 4: Fantasy just to troll you. I hope you open up
Speaker 4: Final Fantasy Hull Breacher, me too and Jeweled Lotus. What
Speaker 4: if they put it in there?
Speaker 2: Because they were like, oh yeah, it wasn't banned when
Speaker 2: we printed the set. All that happened the one of one,
Speaker 2: the four crystals, but it's a jewel lotus. Oh it's
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