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<v Speaker 1>He used to commander who got Podcast episode four ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm brand Om, here's Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never gonna discuss the changes of the recent implications

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<v Speaker 2>now what the fuck? Shit hit our theme?

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<v Speaker 1>Don God damn it, he used to commanders who got

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast episode four ninety. I'm brand O, here's Ryan, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna talk about the impact of.

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<v Speaker 2>The recent rule changes now in our day.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey Ryan, we're back forgeting another whirlwind adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>How you do it?

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<v Speaker 4>Good? What is going down? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>My ability to do those intros is going down?

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't that?

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit? That was not good?

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<v Speaker 4>So good, so good?

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<v Speaker 2>But there is other things gonna go down.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna finish off our conversation from last week talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the implications of the changes to the bracket system

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<v Speaker 3>and some new game changers and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they miss anything?

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<v Speaker 3>What happened to our decks? All that kind of gimmick.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it, Yeah, very much so, and big thanks goes

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<v Speaker 4>out to producer Gary from the Dufferin Avenue Media Network

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<v Speaker 4>Network Studio Network Network, Studio.

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<v Speaker 2>Network, Dufferin Avenue Media Network.

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<v Speaker 4>There it is. Yeah, we're here, we are finishing our

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<v Speaker 4>conversation about the recent game changers, changers and band list updates,

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<v Speaker 4>band list update and generally the kind of ten thousand

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<v Speaker 4>foot view of the format and what it means like

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<v Speaker 4>going into the spring into Vegas, what we can and

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<v Speaker 4>what maybe you out in CCO nation can maybe expect,

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<v Speaker 4>right based on our experience, our game play, being in

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<v Speaker 4>the community, both local and online. So the first thing

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<v Speaker 4>that I kind of wanted to do, though, first thing

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<v Speaker 4>is give you a little update on the CEO Experience

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<v Speaker 4>Las Vegas, because I know the people out there that

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<v Speaker 4>are coming, because you're a Patreon supporter over at patreon

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<v Speaker 4>dot com slash CCEO podcast, you want the update too.

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<v Speaker 4>Not everybody checks and follows the discord as often or

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<v Speaker 4>as closely as they ought to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean they could. It's a great community, very

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<v Speaker 2>much so.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And of course if you're a patron, you get

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<v Speaker 4>invited to the CEO Experience, you get the exclusive merg

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<v Speaker 4>that's getting. You've seen it, you like it. I do

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<v Speaker 4>still forgot the show producer Gary, but that's okay, that's okay. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>House is booked, Oh baby, house is booked. And let

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<v Speaker 4>me let me hit you with this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's real life.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me hit you with this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's happening.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is this is what we about. Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>It's got enough beds for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody has to sleep on the floor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's very important. That's why. That's like why I

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<v Speaker 4>booked this house. Excellent, but bonus or in addition to

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<v Speaker 4>enough beds, it has two stoves in its big ass kitchen. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so all filler, no chiller, killer Miller and Jared Sink

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<v Speaker 4>guy can cook like seven thousand chili tacos for us.

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<v Speaker 4>Our house is gonna smell cute. It's got a pool,

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<v Speaker 4>Dona smell cute. It's got a pool. Okay, It's got

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<v Speaker 4>air hockey, foosball. It's got a living room with leather

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<v Speaker 4>couches where me and Rusty trom Jones are gonna watch

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<v Speaker 4>the Stanley Cup final. Well, you're welcome to you can come,

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<v Speaker 4>okay okay, yeah, and drink beer there of course. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>it has an openflippy dot drinky stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean it has a room with a pool table

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<v Speaker 2>in it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, sick billiard's table. Yes, yes, yes, you have a

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<v Speaker 4>pool table. And here's the thing. It has a frickin'

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<v Speaker 4>street Fighter too arcade in it, peepee. So I was

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about bringing a box a Jumpstart to do a

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<v Speaker 4>Jumpstart tournament because I know that that's your favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Can jump start right in the pool.

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<v Speaker 4>I know that it's your favorite, absolute favorite thing. But instead,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe we have a Street Fighter two tournament sick that

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<v Speaker 4>would that would actually be sick, that would be fun,

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<v Speaker 4>that would actually be sick. Yeah, So that's the house update.

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<v Speaker 4>The merch is going to get ordered. There's exclusive t

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<v Speaker 4>shirts coming out. I took the liberty of assuming that

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<v Speaker 4>you want one, I do, so I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 4>you one cool and we'll have that. And there's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be some new merch, some new stickers and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're in Las Vegas or at Magic Con

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<v Speaker 4>Las Vegas March nope, June nineteenth to twenty second, come

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<v Speaker 4>find us. We'll be wearing all our CEO stuff and hopefully,

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<v Speaker 4>like we always do, we have an area with all

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<v Speaker 4>of the CEO nationalites, all jam and magic and drinking

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<v Speaker 4>beer and hanging out having a gay all time.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope we get to play outside again. That was

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that that probably won't happen because that was

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<v Speaker 3>a consequence of them trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Pay for the play areas. Yes, but that was really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Also that in the shadow of the building and place.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Also that was in October. Remember it was a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit cooler then we're going in June. It's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be hotter in the Devil's ball sack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, what's your point? Well, some of us will see

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<v Speaker 4>through skin like you're good friend Ryan. Oh yeah, we

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<v Speaker 4>get sunburned. Oh yeah, we're a jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've seen people wear jackets in Vegas. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand it. No, No, people do it.

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<v Speaker 4>No, not doing it. Okay, So that's the CEO experience update. Sit.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to get part of I want to

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<v Speaker 4>get part of that, become patron. Yep, that's that's that's

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<v Speaker 4>how you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>If not patron, but are going to be there anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, find us. We'll play with you. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be super fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, last thing about Vegas. I will have a full

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<v Speaker 4>binder chocked full of new altered Magic cards and they

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<v Speaker 4>need to find new homes. AKA, they can't come back

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<v Speaker 4>with me because I don't want to bring them back.

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<v Speaker 4>So come and find me. We'll make a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't make a deal on them, I'm throwing

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<v Speaker 2>it in the pool before we go back to the plane.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want that to happen either.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, so you help him out.

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<v Speaker 4>Help uch.

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<v Speaker 2>Your good friend rights directly into the pool. I'll even

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<v Speaker 2>go with it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm fraid I seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go into the end where I can still

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<v Speaker 2>touch the bottom though.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, and he's the short one, remember, so probably.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be the shallow end. Fine, it's fine. It's

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<v Speaker 3>probably still deep enough to get a binder wet.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it. Okay, unbannings, unbannings. Here's the thing. We last

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<v Speaker 4>week covered all of the new game changers. We covered

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<v Speaker 4>the unbannings. And have you seen any of the unbanned

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<v Speaker 4>cards yet in the week or two since it's thing?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 4>None? You haven't seen anybody play gifts on given?

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<v Speaker 2>Nope.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen any Sway of the Stars, No good thing,

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<v Speaker 4>good thing. Have you seen any new game changes or

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<v Speaker 4>played with any Oh you have, because you told yesterday

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<v Speaker 4>in the pre show you or food chain story? Yeah

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<v Speaker 4>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I did see a food chain in my own hand.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not play it. If you want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>the full story. Do check out the pre show yep.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I have seen a couple.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the new game Changers show up any other experience

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<v Speaker 4>with Game Changers conversations at the Coachman Licensed Beverage.

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<v Speaker 3>Room, Not at the Coachman Licensed Beverage Room, but at

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<v Speaker 3>eed H and M as a whole. There are a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of new like maybe trios of people.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, like like friends that are coming to play out

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<v Speaker 4>in the wild, yeah, or that are showing up that

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I haven't played with them. I haven't sat

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<v Speaker 4>with them or talked to them yet. But do they

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<v Speaker 4>need beat up?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but I have I feel like they're newer players,

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<v Speaker 3>which is good, and they talk loud, which is also

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<v Speaker 3>good because I can eavesdrop.

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<v Speaker 2>On everything they say. So I've been doing that because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what responsible journalists like myself.

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<v Speaker 4>Do, absolutely right, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Gary says, Yes, what I've been listening to are

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<v Speaker 3>they have their bracket conversations I think are a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit and this isn't a burn on them if they're

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<v Speaker 3>watching a little less nuanced than ours in that they

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<v Speaker 3>are still of the level where's like, oh yeah, that

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<v Speaker 3>card costs fifty bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it's superpower.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh right, so there so that cola win mentality. But

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<v Speaker 3>they expect magic cards to be cheap.

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<v Speaker 4>You'd see us laughing if you're watching on YouTube, which yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But the point is I have been hearing a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more about it, and they've been taking it fairly seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>like oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, like a relief.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm really glad that Worldly Tour went out there,

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<v Speaker 3>because like I had one, and I was really nervous

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<v Speaker 3>to play it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to wreck it. It's worth a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money.

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<v Speaker 4>And now and now I don't play it, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm not gonna play it because it's a game changer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh like, to just stay away from game changers. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what these new people are doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't hate that, stay away from game changers. Here's

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<v Speaker 4>some of the negative space about game changers is when

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<v Speaker 4>you put a game changer in your deck, and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't care what deck it is, I don't care if

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<v Speaker 4>it's the only one in there. It's what you're doing

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<v Speaker 4>is limiting theoretically the places you can play that deck.

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<v Speaker 4>We talk about it all the time. I don't play

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<v Speaker 4>my most powerful deck, not even like never mind CDH,

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<v Speaker 4>I just squash everybody every game who's trying to play

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<v Speaker 4>casual and Game Changers are and the bracket matchmaking system

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<v Speaker 4>are a rules set that limits where I play my

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<v Speaker 4>decks right as part of the freakin' rules. I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it. I've been saying that since the start.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the system, and I've said I do that

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<v Speaker 2>too where I have so I have a solid fucking one,

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<v Speaker 2>it just cleans house at once, and I have a

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<v Speaker 4>To that end, we do have a theme deck, a

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<v Speaker 4>one theme deck that we probably should update. The All

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<v Speaker 4>Game Changers deck got twenty new cards, so get the list.

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<v Speaker 4>Get the list updated. There' ZODJ put it the disc card.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm actually, I'm actually encouraged to hear that players that

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<v Speaker 3>They seem to know what they're doing, like they okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let me, they're not making like they're not tapping a

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<v Speaker 3>land more elf to find a forest out of their deck. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like they're doing fine. And what they're they're they're playing

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<v Speaker 3>pretty strong stuff, like they were talking about playing Kai

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<v Speaker 3>Car and one of them has the TMAT deck. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so like they're playing fairly stout stuff, which in the

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<v Speaker 3>case to me that if they have a TMAT deck

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<v Speaker 3>they're investing some dollars into because Tamat isn't a cheap card.

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<v Speaker 3>So like they're new to us, and I would also

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<v Speaker 3>suggest kind of new to magic.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, this this is what I'll say. I am encouraged

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<v Speaker 4>to hear that at our own store, players who are

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<v Speaker 4>part of Magic the Gathering Commander format's rules set. They've

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<v Speaker 4>incorporated that into how they play the game, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's a great step.

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<v Speaker 2>I am absolute happy with that as well.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's pretty frickin' cool.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's one of the things that once you get

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<v Speaker 3>a hang of it, you're gonna do really good with it,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's gonna help lead to more better games, I

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<v Speaker 3>think yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And especially the rule zero conversation, and because that was useless.

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<v Speaker 4>If they show up well rule zero alone, right, we're

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<v Speaker 4>still having rule zero conversation. It's still a fetish for

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<v Speaker 4>lots of people. Right. See the c CEO store to

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<v Speaker 4>get your your fetish sticker, for sure. But to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to have that conversation, have a rule set to

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<v Speaker 4>do it with with your friends, arms you with the

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<v Speaker 4>confidence to go out and do it with people in

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<v Speaker 4>the wild, like you know how to do it, yep.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you do it with people in the wild,

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<v Speaker 4>it ain't a thing, and like it's not a big deal,

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<v Speaker 4>and it doesn't take an hour and you don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to read a dissertation and hope it be approved by

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<v Speaker 4>a board of directors. Like it's not you don't need that.

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<v Speaker 3>And if there's anybody and if there's anybody in the

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<v Speaker 3>conversation that wants that, because that was a thing I

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<v Speaker 3>would run into, I can just say, look, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>three because this, this, and this, Yes, don that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want more information than that, now you're angle

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<v Speaker 3>shooting me. And you want too much deck information, sit

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<v Speaker 3>down and shuffle.

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<v Speaker 4>Your cards and yeah, throw down.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no patience for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Come have you? Have you noticed? I guess if you

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<v Speaker 4>haven't run into any other game changers. And over the

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<v Speaker 4>last two weeks you've only played with like people that

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<v Speaker 4>you normally play with.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the last couple of weeks have been a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit less Brando out in the wild because Alex with

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<v Speaker 3>his Ryan like broken leg. Yes, I've been like we

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<v Speaker 3>save a spot for him, and so inevitably, like I say.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm saving a spot for Alex. So these two

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<v Speaker 2>guys go sit over here, and.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll play with Alex a lot because you're being

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<v Speaker 4>a good friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I get there the soonest and he gets

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<v Speaker 2>there the latest. So it just kind of works out

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<v Speaker 2>where just the dude bro's hangout.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine, that's fine. I just played

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<v Speaker 4>on an episode of Curbside Pickup with Gemston Mind John

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<v Speaker 4>All Killer No, Philler Miller, Oh my goodness, Colton McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 4>Jenny McCarthy's brother, Oh yeah, and Gemston Mind John did

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<v Speaker 4>I say it? Are there? It is?

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<v Speaker 2>You did say it twice.

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<v Speaker 4>I was there too.

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<v Speaker 2>You're the fourth one.

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<v Speaker 4>You got it? I guess if I was playing, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>And we had a little bit of a conversation like

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<v Speaker 4>what do we playing? This is my thing and I

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<v Speaker 4>think I played food Chain in that game, and that

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<v Speaker 4>was before it was a game changer, So it was

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<v Speaker 4>like it was the morning. It was like a Saturday

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<v Speaker 4>morning game. And then like the following Tuesday became a

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<v Speaker 4>game changer, and I didn't win the game, so you

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<v Speaker 4>s better? But oh yeah, definitely. So if if you're

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<v Speaker 4>into the Fastest Commander gameplay on YouTube, freaking check out

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<v Speaker 4>Coco's curb side pickup. You can see me talk about

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<v Speaker 4>how everybody that was playing any card was a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of bullshit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah and usually tis Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, decks that you play or are any decks changing

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<v Speaker 4>as a result of game changers? Are you? Are you

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<v Speaker 4>letting this define how you build decks?

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<v Speaker 3>No, but okay, I do think there might be some

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<v Speaker 3>changes a common to a couple of decks.

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<v Speaker 4>Changes be a coming.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so because when we initially had the bracket

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<v Speaker 3>system come out, we both sat down looked at all

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<v Speaker 3>of our decks. I have this, many two's this, I

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<v Speaker 3>have one really solid one. I've got like maybe two fives,

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<v Speaker 3>and then like a bunch of threes and fours. Sure,

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<v Speaker 3>I've gone up to ten fours. And that's too many

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<v Speaker 3>because because of new games game changers. Okay, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's too many for me to justify in my

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<v Speaker 3>because I think I can sit down with Norn and

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<v Speaker 3>I can say this deck isn't a four, even though

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<v Speaker 3>it has two more.

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<v Speaker 2>Game changes in it now, so it goes from two

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<v Speaker 2>to four.

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<v Speaker 4>And before it was a three, and you thought this

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<v Speaker 4>fits right in the middle of how Commanders should be played.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got the mouth breathers over here and the ceedh

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<v Speaker 4>killing laser beams over here. I'm kind of in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can do all the things. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>stout deck.

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<v Speaker 3>But now, like base if you look, if you click

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<v Speaker 3>on it online on my deck list, it's a solid four.

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<v Speaker 4>On Architecture two dot com it says it's a fuck,

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<v Speaker 4>it's stupid. Yeah, And here's the thing. Here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is one of my notes, and one of

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<v Speaker 4>the things that they wanted to make sure that they

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<v Speaker 4>made a big deal of is And for the record,

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<v Speaker 4>nothing changed, no cards were printed. You're not playing any

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<v Speaker 4>cards that were just unbanned in your Mono red Norn deck. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>nothing changed in the list. But because more game changers exist,

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<v Speaker 4>now you're deck's a four, I'll pausit this because this

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<v Speaker 4>is what they want. This is what the Commander Format

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<v Speaker 4>panel says that they want to emphasize is intention. How

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<v Speaker 4>do you intend to play this game? Do you intend

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<v Speaker 4>to tell people it's a four, but it's not that good,

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<v Speaker 4>just so you can try and win more games playing

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<v Speaker 4>in bracket three or god forbid, bracket two.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm gonna tell people that it's a three and

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<v Speaker 2>it has a blood.

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<v Speaker 4>Moon in it, So so blood moon makes it a four. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>apparently apparently. Now blood mood's a bad example because.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like ruination in it.

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<v Speaker 4>Blood Moon and ruination aren't on the game changer's list.

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<v Speaker 3>They're game changer categories. And we're gonna get into that

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<v Speaker 3>later in the show. Because I've decided that I do

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<v Speaker 3>not agree with it. We have to do something about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want to get into it now? We're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about it now, Now you say you don't agree with it.

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<v Speaker 4>There are game changer categories, and what you mean is

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<v Speaker 4>like multiple cheap tutors or mass land denial or extra

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<v Speaker 4>turns or two card combos. Those are game changer. We're

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<v Speaker 4>going to call those categories. Yes, that bump your deck

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<v Speaker 4>up to two or three or four.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the game changer list would be too long had

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<v Speaker 3>every single extra turn spell on it and.

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<v Speaker 4>Every single stone rain thing, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly two freaking long.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you've got two land denial cards in your

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<v Speaker 4>deck that also has four game changers. Yes, and you're

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<v Speaker 4>positing that this deck is still a three yes, defend yourself, sir, well, cross.

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<v Speaker 3>My arms, play fucking basics, then you'll be fine. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the number one thing with the mass landed out.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mind that.

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<v Speaker 2>And my game changers.

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<v Speaker 3>Are meant to power out the ridiculous five cost spells

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm playing.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, five cost spells. Ridiculously.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm ramping up into playing a possibility storm, which

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<v Speaker 3>isn't a game changer, it's annoying, but it's not a

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<v Speaker 3>game changer, or ramping into trying to swing with it

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<v Speaker 3>at Tully before everybody's on lines that they can kill

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<v Speaker 3>my Atali or steal it and then kill.

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<v Speaker 4>Me with it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they're there for. That's what it's doing there.

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<v Speaker 3>Because Red doesn't have a lot of ramp So I

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<v Speaker 3>play the game changers that let me get to playing

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<v Speaker 3>my mid game stuff in the early game, like Jessica's Will.

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<v Speaker 4>That did that become a game changer?

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<v Speaker 2>Always was okay, okay, you don't play, don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>pay what do you play it?

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<v Speaker 4>I have sure can't play manacrypt mm.

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<v Speaker 3>I can play Man of Vault and I do. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I got a Kirsten Zeribble Masterpiece signed, so I got one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I play that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's pretty cool card.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got an Ancient Tomb.

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<v Speaker 4>It's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've got a Deflecting Swat, and I got a Gamble.

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<v Speaker 4>And deflecting Swat and Gamble just got made game changer.

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<v Speaker 3>Ship and the Deflecting Swat. Let's be honest, I should

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<v Speaker 3>probably cut You could cut that. For the same reason

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<v Speaker 3>I don't play Jessica as well anymore is because when

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<v Speaker 3>you play it, Norn goes away. So like the only

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<v Speaker 3>time I can just got I can play Deflecting Swat

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<v Speaker 3>for free, which is why it's a game changer, is

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<v Speaker 3>on the very first spell an opponent plays that targets

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<v Speaker 3>my thing during their turn, if they attack or play

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<v Speaker 3>something that I don't care about or thing that isn't yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to play the just I have to play

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<v Speaker 3>the Deflecting Swat for its mane coost. Yes, unless it's

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<v Speaker 3>a very specific set of circumstances.

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<v Speaker 4>And like if it's an activated ability, Narin isn't going

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<v Speaker 4>to go away because he doesn't exile himself when you

427
00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.920
<v Speaker 4>activate an ability, right, when somebody activates an ability, correct

428
00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:12.680
<v Speaker 4>that card.

429
00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:14.759
<v Speaker 2>It's a really hard card to play.

430
00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:17.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I assume that you have one that has alternate

431
00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:20.359
<v Speaker 4>art or otherwise doesn't look like a magic card that

432
00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:22.319
<v Speaker 4>is correct, because that's the theme of the deck.

433
00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

434
00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.799
<v Speaker 4>I would say, Uncle Brando, your problem is solved in

435
00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:30.599
<v Speaker 4>quite an easy way. You take this card that the

436
00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:34.119
<v Speaker 4>format as a whole seems to have a little bit

437
00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:37.240
<v Speaker 4>of trouble with placing, as in terms of power level

438
00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.799
<v Speaker 4>right in deflecting Towata and also in your deck not

439
00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:42.440
<v Speaker 4>that good?

440
00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Are you saying I should have a Mountain instead?

441
00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.759
<v Speaker 4>You could cut it? And you know what, Mountain doesn't

442
00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.440
<v Speaker 4>interact in a negative way with your blood Moon.

443
00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:51.000
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

444
00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.440
<v Speaker 4>You could make that cut thereby solving your problem where

445
00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.720
<v Speaker 4>you say, I have this deck that's a three, and

446
00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:02.880
<v Speaker 4>it was more of a three before the recent game

447
00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:07.119
<v Speaker 4>changer changes. Now it's a three still, but it has

448
00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.119
<v Speaker 4>two land denial cards that, oh, if you're new or

449
00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:14.240
<v Speaker 4>budget or playing pre cons that have lots of.

450
00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Basics, aren't gonna be impacted by at all.

451
00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:20.480
<v Speaker 4>Yes, And you could go even further and say, if

452
00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:23.599
<v Speaker 4>you're playing the game changer lands, you're gonna have a

453
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.680
<v Speaker 4>tough time against my deck with its game changer category

454
00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:31.880
<v Speaker 4>cards that are designed specifically to deal with problematic game

455
00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:35.359
<v Speaker 4>changer lands. And then it kind of feels like you've

456
00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.079
<v Speaker 4>got this thing that fits in in all the places

457
00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:42.359
<v Speaker 4>it ought to and where it doesn't in the land

458
00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.920
<v Speaker 4>denial category. You can say, this is the cards, here's

459
00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.440
<v Speaker 4>the two cards, and this is the reason.

460
00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:54.079
<v Speaker 3>Let's use some other deck examples. Maybe Nouran is a

461
00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:56.079
<v Speaker 3>bad example. Lots of people played against Nora and they go,

462
00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:57.440
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, this deck is crazy.

463
00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:59.160
<v Speaker 4>I think it's a fucking great example.

464
00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about one that is definitely not a four,

465
00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:05.759
<v Speaker 2>but is a four not because of game changers, but

466
00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:09.519
<v Speaker 2>because of the game changing category, specifically, again, the land

467
00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:10.599
<v Speaker 2>denial card.

468
00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:12.680
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Obeca two.

469
00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.839
<v Speaker 2>That's the multiple upkeep step Obeca.

470
00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Equal to how much damage she does, Right, get that

471
00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:20.279
<v Speaker 3>many upkeeps post combat?

472
00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:23.640
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it is a four. Okay, it is.

473
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:26.200
<v Speaker 2>A four because it plays a rising tide in it

474
00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:27.880
<v Speaker 2>rising tide.

475
00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:32.559
<v Speaker 3>That's an enchantment for Blue three players can't untap Land

476
00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:38.079
<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of each player's upkeep untap one land. Okay,

477
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.359
<v Speaker 3>So I play it, I swing in, I get six upkeeps,

478
00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:44.039
<v Speaker 3>I untap all my land in addition to all of

479
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:46.440
<v Speaker 3>the upkeeps that I other upkeep stuff that I'm doing.

480
00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it slows my opponents down.

481
00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.920
<v Speaker 3>That one card takes the deck from being a two

482
00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:55.799
<v Speaker 3>because it's not playing any tutors or any game changers, yep,

483
00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:57.079
<v Speaker 3>and turns it into a four.

484
00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:02.480
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that that is correct.

485
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:06.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that that should be a thing, you

486
00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:08.759
<v Speaker 3>know what, because yes, rising waters are rising tide or

487
00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:11.759
<v Speaker 3>the hell it is is like and it's a nasty

488
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:13.359
<v Speaker 3>piece of business to deal with.

489
00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:16.200
<v Speaker 4>It's like winter orb that you can break the symmetry

490
00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:17.359
<v Speaker 4>on with your commander.

491
00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Exactly how much does it cost to cast four?

492
00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:24.440
<v Speaker 4>Four? And Obeka costs five or six? Four? No, she's

493
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.759
<v Speaker 4>three color, which which would allow her to be costed

494
00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:30.359
<v Speaker 4>at four. Yes, Ryan math, Yes.

495
00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Math is important.

496
00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.200
<v Speaker 3>So yes, So like I can play Obecca rising waters

497
00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:37.759
<v Speaker 3>swing with Obeca on tap.

498
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Some land, you guys are going to start having a

499
00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:40.000
<v Speaker 2>rougher time.

500
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.079
<v Speaker 3>And I but I don't think that that makes the

501
00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:47.079
<v Speaker 3>deck of four. I just don't like when you look

502
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.000
<v Speaker 3>at the list, it says this is a four. Why

503
00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.359
<v Speaker 3>the fuck is this a four? Because you play a

504
00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.279
<v Speaker 3>single piece of land denial And I just don't think

505
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:58.440
<v Speaker 3>that that's I think that that's doing a disservice to players.

506
00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Me and Aiden have the Converse station all the time,

507
00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.519
<v Speaker 3>like people should play. If you've got a wasteland, play it.

508
00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:06.759
<v Speaker 2>If you got a tech edge, play it because there's

509
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.839
<v Speaker 2>super powerful lands out there and people are afraid to

510
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:12.880
<v Speaker 2>do stuff to stop it.

511
00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:18.200
<v Speaker 4>Well, tech edged wasteland and strip mine, those aren't mass

512
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.640
<v Speaker 4>land destruction. No I could. I could if if that's

513
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:24.359
<v Speaker 4>the case, I could play Stone Rain. That's not mass

514
00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:31.880
<v Speaker 4>land destruction. Right, So the upgraded and core and exhibition

515
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.400
<v Speaker 4>brackets brackets one and two and three say no mass land.

516
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Denial none zero none zero.

517
00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:41.480
<v Speaker 4>And I've heard this and thought about this when I

518
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:43.839
<v Speaker 4>was going to get my DP my diet PEPSI from

519
00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:47.640
<v Speaker 4>the car, I thought, hmm, I'm sure it's been talked

520
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.039
<v Speaker 4>about because there's a lot of smart people on the

521
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:52.599
<v Speaker 4>Commander Format panel and a lot of game designers from

522
00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.119
<v Speaker 4>Watsie who it's their actual for salary job to think

523
00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.039
<v Speaker 4>about this. So people don't quit playing magic. They get

524
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:00.359
<v Speaker 4>paid every day Yeah.

525
00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.279
<v Speaker 2>To answer the question that I'm asking right now of.

526
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:08.279
<v Speaker 4>Why and how much is more specifically because they're not

527
00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:11.640
<v Speaker 4>saying no, this card's banned. Yeah, it's just don't play

528
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:12.359
<v Speaker 4>it at this level.

529
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:16.559
<v Speaker 3>It's more powerful than any game changer. It's more powerful

530
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:18.519
<v Speaker 3>than any three game changers.

531
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.240
<v Speaker 4>Because oh, that's it. That's a way to look at it.

532
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.720
<v Speaker 4>Because I can play zero of this category of card,

533
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:28.240
<v Speaker 4>even though I can play up to three up to

534
00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:31.640
<v Speaker 4>three free counter spells in Fierce Guardianship deflecting twat and

535
00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:32.240
<v Speaker 4>for so will.

536
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

537
00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:35.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh wow, I never thought of it that way.

538
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.200
<v Speaker 4>This is what I was going to say. I went

539
00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.359
<v Speaker 4>on to get my DIPEPSI dep as we call it

540
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 4>in the Nation, and I thought, I wonder if anybody's

541
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:46.759
<v Speaker 4>thought about number of game changers in deck equal to

542
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:51.240
<v Speaker 4>category that they're in, Like you get one in one? Yeah?

543
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.960
<v Speaker 4>Like my what if? What if? My what if my

544
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:59.079
<v Speaker 4>theme deck needs because of a theme maybe in the

545
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.680
<v Speaker 4>art or all of the art is done by one artist.

546
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:07.759
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I need a Teffrey's Protection in my exhibition deck.

547
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.400
<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's a teff free deck. Hey, there's a good example.

548
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 3>That's a great example of what would be an exhibition

549
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.519
<v Speaker 3>deck that people would go, it's going to be a white.

550
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Blue control deck and noverbody's going to hate it.

551
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but pretend it. It's not. Pretend it's not.

552
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 2>But that is one that this is an exhibition deck,

553
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:24.519
<v Speaker 2>like bellow.

554
00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:27.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, so my exhibition deck is bracket level one.

555
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 4>It's the entry level in terms of power to the format.

556
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Right.

557
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Speaker 4>Fuck, that's not even right. That's two yeah yeah, yeah, okay,

558
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:37.799
<v Speaker 4>Pretend I didn't say that it's a one. It gets

559
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.839
<v Speaker 4>one game changer. My core deck gets two game changers.

560
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.480
<v Speaker 3>I like that because now that they're putting game changers

561
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:44.559
<v Speaker 3>kind of as they add them.

562
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.720
<v Speaker 2>If they said that you can have two in core,

563
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:47.880
<v Speaker 2>then people wouldn't be going.

564
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.359
<v Speaker 4>You guys put seedboard music a pre Yeah. Yeah, they

565
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:54.440
<v Speaker 4>know that, and they acknowledged that, and they say it's

566
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.920
<v Speaker 4>about intention and that was built before this was built.

567
00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 4>Blah blah blah. Yeah. In three like always have now

568
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:06.480
<v Speaker 4>four in four or more or less, it's about intention,

569
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 4>but we're we're looking for hard and fast rules to

570
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:13.519
<v Speaker 4>help us govern intention, right, and then five is just bullshit?

571
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:20.000
<v Speaker 4>Y Yeah, I don't hate that. But at the same time,

572
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:23.359
<v Speaker 4>they've made rules that say no mass Land denial, no

573
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.720
<v Speaker 4>two card combos, no cheap tutors, no chaining extra turns

574
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:32.880
<v Speaker 4>in things lower than four in four and some in three.

575
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 4>You know. Yeah, So it's like, do we want to

576
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.000
<v Speaker 4>completely abstain from all of that kind of stuff or

577
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.079
<v Speaker 4>do we want to let and this is the slippery slope.

578
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 4>Do we want to let intention take over? And say

579
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:49.640
<v Speaker 4>you could have two game changers in your core Bracket two,

580
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Speaker 4>you could have two cards from this category in your deck.

581
00:27:55.720 --> 00:28:00.400
<v Speaker 4>And if you do that, theoretically you could have two

582
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 4>cards that aren't game changers that do combo together to

583
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:06.960
<v Speaker 4>win you the game, a two card combo that aren't

584
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 4>game changers that you can't tutor for or aren't tutors. Right, So,

585
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.119
<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden you're opening the door. Oh, I've

586
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:17.799
<v Speaker 4>picked two cards that maybe are One of them is

587
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.240
<v Speaker 4>a mass Land denial card, so I can have that,

588
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.440
<v Speaker 4>but it also combos two card combos with something, and

589
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:26.279
<v Speaker 4>now I'm breaking two of the bracket rules.

590
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, although now you're breaking one of the other bracket

591
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:29.720
<v Speaker 3>rule and don't you go?

592
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, and that's the thing. How do we make it

593
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:39.400
<v Speaker 4>as clean and simple as possible without without people getting

594
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.880
<v Speaker 4>their deck turned into a four when it's actually a

595
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:44.839
<v Speaker 4>two or three because they play a blood moon.

596
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those are the ones that kind of get me.

597
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 2>And here's the one that.

598
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.839
<v Speaker 3>Another example kind of the why is this where it is?

599
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:59.279
<v Speaker 3>Because Rebecca two, one card from one category, it's a

600
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 3>four when it probablyably should be a two.

601
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.599
<v Speaker 2>That deck isn't very good. I'm probably gonna take it apart.

602
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:11.400
<v Speaker 3>Obeka one. Obeka one has not less than six or

603
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:16.680
<v Speaker 3>maybe seven extra turnspells and dear spells that end my

604
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:18.880
<v Speaker 3>opponent's turns.

605
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.480
<v Speaker 4>Thus taking away their untaps and their agency and all

606
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.799
<v Speaker 4>that stuff. You could compare Timestop to seedborn muse in

607
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.960
<v Speaker 4>that you're taking all of the time.

608
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Watch some old sidewalks slime. You'll see me Ti time

609
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.000
<v Speaker 3>stop Ben. It's hilarious.

610
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 4>It's actually hilarious. It whirlwind between the legs, dunk. Oh

611
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 4>so good, he's so good. I wish it happened to me.

612
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 4>Me too, I wish that, but I'm happy for it

613
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.680
<v Speaker 4>to happen to Ben, because fuck that guy.

614
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>That deck three, and it's got like nine or ten

615
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:51.079
<v Speaker 2>extra turn spells in it.

616
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 4>You know what's funny? Time time stops a weird one

617
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:57.079
<v Speaker 4>because time stop isn't okay if we're very good, well,

618
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 4>if we're playing one v one, time stop is an

619
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.799
<v Speaker 4>extra turn spell. Yeah, that I just and your turn,

620
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:05.839
<v Speaker 4>I'd take another one. Fuck you in a four player game, though,

621
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.680
<v Speaker 4>it's like it's like thirty three percent of an extra turn,

622
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 4>so it's like you're rounding down. It ain't an extra

623
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 4>turn spell. It's kind of like a counter spell or

624
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:15.880
<v Speaker 4>a fog.

625
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.720
<v Speaker 2>It's a really really good counter spell.

626
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 4>A really good counter spell, or a really good fog,

627
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.000
<v Speaker 4>or a really good Jeffrey's Protection maybe or a really

628
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.200
<v Speaker 4>bad Teffree's Protection I guess. And in all of those

629
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:34.039
<v Speaker 4>cases it costs five six Fuck it costs six, right,

630
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.200
<v Speaker 4>So is it actually that good?

631
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 2>And it's just fun and it has a beck on

632
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>it that's why I play it.

633
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.119
<v Speaker 4>And it's a weird one because it it isn't quite

634
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 4>an extra turn spell, it isn't quite a counter spell.

635
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:50.039
<v Speaker 4>It's certainly powerful and can act like those things. That's

636
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 4>a weird one. Timestop is a weird one.

637
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a strange, strange card.

638
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 4>And maybe we have to accept and again lean back

639
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 4>onto our experience and our intention and read the fucking

640
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 4>room boys, like read the room about my my two

641
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.319
<v Speaker 4>that's actually a four because it runs a land Anisle

642
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.799
<v Speaker 4>spell and just include that in our fetishized rule zero

643
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:16.240
<v Speaker 4>zipper mask conversation.

644
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's what I do with Obeca. It's like

645
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 2>they say, it's if you look it up, it's a

646
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 2>four because I play a Rising Waters and I'm not

647
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Speaker 2>cutting it. I'm cutting it because because I fucking want

648
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 2>to play it. It's the only deck I'll ever play

649
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 2>it in.

650
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:35.279
<v Speaker 4>And you know what, I think that that's fine because

651
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 4>you're upfront about it because everything else in the world

652
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.319
<v Speaker 4>with regards to you in that deck is like on

653
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:46.200
<v Speaker 4>like even ground.

654
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>That's on the level, like you.

655
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 4>Nuts start to the wind and it's like here they are.

656
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh but Rebecca one not like it's not a four,

657
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.799
<v Speaker 3>and it certainly changes extra turns because the extra turn

658
00:31:57.839 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 3>spell is in it cost fucking two.

659
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:02.720
<v Speaker 2>They're basically time walk.

660
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 4>How do you how do you do that?

661
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 3>Because I play Final Fortune, Final Fortune, take an extra

662
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.160
<v Speaker 3>turn after this one, then you lose at the end, right, Yeah,

663
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:13.960
<v Speaker 3>that's why I play Obeck still.

664
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 4>Has count as chaining extra turns. I think that they.

665
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.559
<v Speaker 3>Do well when I go, I'll take an extra turn

666
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:20.880
<v Speaker 3>after this one, and then I take that turn, I say, oh,

667
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:23.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do that again, and I do it again.

668
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:24.519
<v Speaker 4>And that's definitely changing.

669
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.319
<v Speaker 3>After channing extra turns. I've certainly taken four or five

670
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:28.799
<v Speaker 3>turns in a row in that deck.

671
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 4>And you're saying that that deck's a two.

672
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 3>No no, no, no no, I'm saying that that's the

673
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.519
<v Speaker 3>one that they should be uperating because it has such

674
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 3>a high dense Ten percent of the deck is me

675
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 3>taking extra turn and.

676
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and it's a three.

677
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 4>Does arcadect dot Com not count Final Fortune as extra turn?

678
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Guess not? I guess we just did we find a loophole.

679
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.200
<v Speaker 4>We might have Final Fortune and time Stop both not

680
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 4>extra turn spells on architecture dot com. Correct man.

681
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>And the other three final fortunes are two final fortunes

682
00:32:59.440 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 2>of the hell A.

683
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 4>Warriors Demise, Final Fortune, Worst Fatal End.

684
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:17.799
<v Speaker 3>Maybe Fatal Push, Time Stop, Grim, Lava Gamble Red Yeah.

685
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.720
<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, so that's where we're at.

686
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 3>But those are those are the examples that I have

687
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.599
<v Speaker 3>of where it's just like the brackets are being applied

688
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.559
<v Speaker 3>kind of and maybe it's just the website that I'm using. Yeah,

689
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.480
<v Speaker 3>it's applied strangely, and I think that having just a

690
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 3>category that immediately makes your deck air quotes better than it.

691
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Is, I think could become over time a problem.

692
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 3>And now, when everything is still in its infancy and

693
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:47.599
<v Speaker 3>it's still evolving, I feel like maybe now is the

694
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:49.200
<v Speaker 3>time to apply nuance to it.

695
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>And if you just straight up ban.

696
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Mass land denial in in games four, it's can only

697
00:33:57.680 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 3>be four and above, I think that lots of new

698
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:05.960
<v Speaker 3>players are gonna kind of come up having never experienced that,

699
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:11.400
<v Speaker 3>and because it only exists at four and five, they're

700
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.920
<v Speaker 3>going to be discouraged from trying to play in a

701
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 3>four or a five because they think it's all Stax

702
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 3>decks and turn three I win combos.

703
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's not true. We've all played.

704
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.039
<v Speaker 3>CDH would I would venture a guess, and I'll bet

705
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 3>you we've all played in a really really high powered

706
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 3>game of Magic the Gathering, and I would say less

707
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.079
<v Speaker 3>than half the time you run into those things, except

708
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 3>when you're playing CDCH it's a different animal. That's not

709
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about. And even there, you don't run into

710
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 3>tons of STACKX decks.

711
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you could say we've all played up to

712
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 4>what would be the floor of CEDH, the ceiling the

713
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 4>very highest end of bracket four in the uh what

714
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.320
<v Speaker 4>do they call bracket four? Again? Optimized?

715
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:58.679
<v Speaker 3>Like you see all the thorical combos above and you

716
00:34:58.840 --> 00:34:59.679
<v Speaker 3>look in the glass.

717
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:01.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

718
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 3>You don't because you don't want to play blue and

719
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:05.519
<v Speaker 3>red blast in your deck.

720
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.280
<v Speaker 4>Talking about a game changer rhetorical Yeah no, yeah. Stifle,

721
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:18.079
<v Speaker 4>nicely done. Stifles, good man. I got to play more

722
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 4>stifles and decks.

723
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.039
<v Speaker 2>I want to see void slime more often. I know

724
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:22.119
<v Speaker 2>that it's not very good.

725
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 4>I got void slimed the other day.

726
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I love void slime. I love that car.

727
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 4>I got void slimed the other frickin' day. I was

728
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 4>not happy.

729
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Nor should you be void slimed? Man, that's awesome. That

730
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>should be a typal.

731
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.920
<v Speaker 4>Ooze card slimed. Okay, let's keep going. Let's keep going.

732
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 4>I think we're making some some headway here. Intention important,

733
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:47.320
<v Speaker 4>very important, and maybe maybe the really smart coders and

734
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 4>engineers at architect and space Cow Media can can be like, hey,

735
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.400
<v Speaker 4>maybe we could maybe we could put like a is

736
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 4>this accurate checkbox or drop down menu like for your

737
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 4>obecadec that's a two, or your norm deck that's a three.

738
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:04.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah theoretically according to freakin' you, or not theoretically. And

739
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:08.000
<v Speaker 4>say like we want your deck to look or present

740
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.880
<v Speaker 4>like a four. Is this accurate? You can say no,

741
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 4>it's a three, or this deck technically is a four,

742
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.920
<v Speaker 4>but user has declared it three, and and like, I

743
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:22.920
<v Speaker 4>don't know what that does. It's not like people are

744
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:24.880
<v Speaker 4>looking up your deck list when you sit down with

745
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 4>them at a magic con.

746
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never I've only had that happen one time. Really,

747
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 2>it did happen once.

748
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 3>But the reason it happened is because I was playing

749
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.639
<v Speaker 3>my Tracks a deck. Yeah, and you've seen my Attraction

750
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:37.440
<v Speaker 3>a deck with the physical cards I played.

751
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, they're all it's textless, fucking crazy. Yeah.

752
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:42.599
<v Speaker 3>And the guy was like, this deck looks insane, and

753
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:43.880
<v Speaker 3>he was like, can I see it?

754
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 2>He didn't want to look through it. You're playing, so

755
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 2>like in between turns he was like scrolling through the

756
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.800
<v Speaker 2>deck list on his phone. Yeah, which I mean is like, well,

757
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 2>now he knows everything in my deck, but who fuck?

758
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 4>Who cares? It's an ATTRACI deck. I'm pretty sure he

759
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 4>can go to da trek Dom and find ninety percent

760
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 4>of what you're playing, which which isn't slight against you.

761
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 4>What I mean is is it's easy to go and say, hey,

762
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 4>which cards? Which cards would be fucking good in a

763
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:10.800
<v Speaker 4>traxa like oh he's playing this card? Oh what cards?

764
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 4>Do play with that card? On erek dot com and

765
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:15.800
<v Speaker 4>like you could do some detective work.

766
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:17.760
<v Speaker 2>And he was going through like why are you playing?

767
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 4>Is what?

768
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a creator and I have a crazy one. Yeah

769
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 2>okay that makes sense? Yeah, okay, cool, Okay.

770
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:28.639
<v Speaker 4>New Game Changers, new games. You've you've had some experience

771
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 4>with New Game Changers?

772
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I had one in my hands. That's the truth.

773
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Do you see yesterday's pre show if you want to

774
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>hear the story, yep.

775
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 4>Do you think that the addition to the Game Changers

776
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 4>is good? Bad? And I'll I'll get a little bit

777
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.800
<v Speaker 4>more granular? Is in the way that Do you think

778
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 4>the old list when it was forty that like the

779
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.719
<v Speaker 4>original forty? Do you think that they were pulling their weight?

780
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 4>Yes or no? Are they now? Yes or no? Is

781
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:57.559
<v Speaker 4>it better? Is it worse?

782
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.400
<v Speaker 3>I think the initial list, and we talked about this

783
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.599
<v Speaker 3>last week, I think it was an I think it

784
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.119
<v Speaker 3>was intentionally small your conspiracy.

785
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:06.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I forgot about that.

786
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 3>In order to test the waters to see if a

787
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 3>list like this would fly, and then when it did,

788
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.559
<v Speaker 3>as it should have, because I think it's a good idea. Yeah,

789
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't hate I don't hate that though, Like if

790
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.159
<v Speaker 3>that's you're a trial balloon, man, that's exactly you're calling

791
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 3>a conspiracy. I think I was calling myself a conspiracy

792
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.079
<v Speaker 3>because people are like, brand, oh, they're not going to

793
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:25.440
<v Speaker 3>do that.

794
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.039
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's fine to send

795
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 4>out a small list to say, hey, like, is this

796
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 4>something that people are even receptive to? And then all

797
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.920
<v Speaker 4>the feedback that they that they claimed they got was man,

798
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 4>we want more of this, give us more, and they're like,

799
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 4>oh fuck, we had all these other cards in mind.

800
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, Yeah, we were already doing that. Yeah they did it,

801
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 2>and again it makes everybody look and feel good about

802
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:48.679
<v Speaker 2>what they're doing. So awesome.

803
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.320
<v Speaker 3>And I think that the list again is better than

804
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.719
<v Speaker 3>the old list because it is more comprehensive. I think

805
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 3>it's still missing a couple of things. I guess we

806
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.079
<v Speaker 3>could talk about this in a second. I think that

807
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:01.800
<v Speaker 3>car a car.

808
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:02.800
<v Speaker 2>What the hell was it?

809
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.039
<v Speaker 3>I talked about it in the story also because it

810
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.039
<v Speaker 3>gets you two creatures, and it's an enchantment and it's green.

811
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:08.360
<v Speaker 4>Defense of the Heart.

812
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Defense of the Heart I think should be a game changer.

813
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I would argue that it should be.

814
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 4>And it would be a game changer in the same

815
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 4>vein that Natural Order worldly Tutor are game changers. It

816
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.679
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't be a game changer because it costs four and

817
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 4>Diabolic Tutor isn't a game changer. Tooth and Nail not

818
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.239
<v Speaker 4>a game changer. Gets two creatures right into play, just

819
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.639
<v Speaker 4>like Defense of the Heart gets two creatures right into play,

820
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 4>but you got a way to turn for it to happen. Yeah, So,

821
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.440
<v Speaker 4>like I could see why it would be and why

822
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:39.920
<v Speaker 4>it wouldn't be.

823
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.400
<v Speaker 3>I can certainly see the argue against It's just I'm trying.

824
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.559
<v Speaker 2>I was the good again. Watched the story yesterday.

825
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.360
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to play it fairly hm and I

826
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.880
<v Speaker 3>ended up JENNI Sin's waving.

827
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:51.719
<v Speaker 2>For fucking ninety.

828
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 3>That's good, Like, you can do some crazy shit with it.

829
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 3>I played in Attract as well, so that I can

830
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.840
<v Speaker 3>find the sludge Monster and talks real.

831
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.800
<v Speaker 2>So that I can kill all of your dudes immediately

832
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:06.679
<v Speaker 2>forever right.

833
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Like, the next thing I wanted to do with it

834
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:15.239
<v Speaker 3>was fun opposition Agent and Mara Marilyn morn Song, I

835
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:16.840
<v Speaker 3>wanted to talks rill and.

836
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.760
<v Speaker 4>Just because opposition agent means you control what they tutor

837
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.199
<v Speaker 4>for and you can play it. Yeah, And Marilyn morren

838
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 4>Song says, skip your drawstep, tutor for a card, and it's.

839
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Not skip your draw step, it's you can't draw cards.

840
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh, you can't draw cards. Yeah.

841
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 3>So like anytime anybody goes to draw card, they lose

842
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 3>three life and I tutor their deck and.

843
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Play the card.

844
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I like that.

845
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

846
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So Defense of the Heart can do some fucking shit,

847
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:43.599
<v Speaker 3>and I think that it should probably be a game

848
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:47.199
<v Speaker 3>changer because of that. I don't know any other cards

849
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 3>off the top of my head, but I think the

850
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.719
<v Speaker 3>list is as it sits right now, is very good.

851
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:51.480
<v Speaker 4>With the game.

852
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 3>The aforementioned tweaks, I think they should make to those,

853
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.320
<v Speaker 3>like category things mass land denial and extra turn chaining.

854
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 3>Maybe could use a little bit of finessing, but I mean, overall,

855
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.599
<v Speaker 3>I think that given them, it's still in its infancy.

856
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 3>I think that it's doing a very good job. And

857
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.599
<v Speaker 3>I think because I've seen people using it, and I've

858
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.880
<v Speaker 3>used it. I think it's doing exactly what.

859
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 2>We needed it to do personally.

860
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:23.480
<v Speaker 4>Huh, there you go. I'm reminded of Weird Harvest. It's

861
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 4>a X spell, it's a sorcery costs green x Green xx,

862
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.320
<v Speaker 4>and it's each player searches for x creatures, puts them

863
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 4>into their hand. So you could just go like Green

864
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 4>whatever and search like everybody searches for two guys and

865
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 4>you get them into your hand. I'm reminded of shared

866
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:51.960
<v Speaker 4>Summons Green Green three instant mind you instant search your

867
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.480
<v Speaker 4>life for two creatures, put them into your hand. They

868
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 4>got to have different names, though, Like that's hard and

869
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Speaker 4>in Commander, I'm not gonna put it my percent of

870
00:41:57.960 --> 00:41:58.599
<v Speaker 4>petitioner's deck.

871
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 3>They won't go into seven dwarves either, no no no, no,

872
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:02.679
<v Speaker 3>no no no. But here's the thing with those, you

873
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 3>go to your hand correct with Defense the Heart. They

874
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 3>go right into play and people say, why does it

875
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 3>only cost four?

876
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:11.039
<v Speaker 2>What is happening?

877
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.800
<v Speaker 3>It's an enchantment for Green three. At the beginning of

878
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 3>your upkeep. If an opponent controls.

879
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Three or more creatures, you sack Defense of the Heart,

880
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.039
<v Speaker 2>search your library for two dudes. Any two dudes and

881
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:24.920
<v Speaker 2>put them into play.

882
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 4>It's only like eleven bucks a gain.

883
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Just because a car is expensive or cheap, it doesn't

884
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 3>make it any less more or less powerful.

885
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, the price tag doesn't mean anything, correct.

886
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:39.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it and.

887
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 3>It's so good, especially if you're playing a token deck

888
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 3>or somebody just three dudes. Like, it's just it's so good,

889
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 3>and it can break a game open so quickly in

890
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.159
<v Speaker 3>any deck that can play it, you.

891
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean. Like, it would be very easy to.

892
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:57.119
<v Speaker 3>Find anything and a creater hoof if you wanted to.

893
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:01.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you can find Grass, the Ultimate Juggernaut and

894
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.000
<v Speaker 3>a crater hohof at the same time.

895
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 4>Make all my guys five three juggernauts that can't block,

896
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 4>and then give them plus x plus x and trample

897
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.159
<v Speaker 4>ork x is the number of creatures I could Yes, and.

898
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.280
<v Speaker 3>They can't be blocked by walls that came in handy

899
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 3>yesterday when I was attacking into a wall of defenders

900
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.000
<v Speaker 3>and lots of them were walls and none of them

901
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 3>could block by juggernauts.

902
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you were attacking into a wall of defenders, Yes,

903
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.559
<v Speaker 4>and some of them were walls.

904
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they couldn't block because Juggernaut. There's a juggernaut

905
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:30.440
<v Speaker 2>bitch right, it's awesome.

906
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.920
<v Speaker 4>Oh man, okay, defense of the Heart. I could see

907
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:33.920
<v Speaker 4>a case for it, but.

908
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:35.519
<v Speaker 2>I would make the case that maybe it should be there.

909
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 4>If that went on, I would say, oh, really, that

910
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.239
<v Speaker 4>feels kind of soft, because I think it does because

911
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 4>it allows you to, like, you have to have a

912
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 4>whole turn of the table, right, like a whole round

913
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.400
<v Speaker 4>of the table, and other things that require rounds of

914
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 4>the table to be good. And I'm drawn a blank

915
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 4>and I can't think any because Smothering Tithe is a

916
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.960
<v Speaker 4>good one. Yeah, uh is a game changer, I guess.

917
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:06.280
<v Speaker 2>So remember when Smothering Tithe was first printed, You and

918
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 2>I went back and forth on it, yes week, is

919
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 2>this even a good card?

920
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:11.199
<v Speaker 3>And you said, I don't think it's that good? And

921
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:13.039
<v Speaker 3>I said, I think this is fucking really good.

922
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.840
<v Speaker 4>You know what? And then in twenty nineteen I made

923
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.480
<v Speaker 4>it my number one card of the year. Frick, you

924
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:23.000
<v Speaker 4>know what, I'm sticking to it. Producer Gary's laughing at me.

925
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 4>I said it wasn't that good, And my logic as

926
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 4>to why it's not that good is still sound. My

927
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 4>logic is sound.

928
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>In principle in practice.

929
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.039
<v Speaker 4>If smothering tithe came off the game changer's list, though,

930
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 4>I'd say, oh, I get.

931
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.559
<v Speaker 2>It when that first.

932
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:42.519
<v Speaker 4>It's a hole on a second, just hold on a

933
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 4>fricking second. Okay, months ago when we first started talking

934
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 4>about this, and I said, how come not Notion Thief

935
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.239
<v Speaker 4>and how come Hull Breachers band? And how come not

936
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:53.719
<v Speaker 4>Opposition Agent and all this other stuff? And everybody's like, run,

937
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 4>you're so stupid. Cards in hand aren't as good as

938
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:01.280
<v Speaker 4>treasure on the table? And I disagree, what like fucking

939
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:03.960
<v Speaker 4>hit that. I don't know commenters on YouTube they're smarter

940
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 4>than I am, aren't they? No?

941
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Apparently not.

942
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 4>Obviously they don't play legacy either if they think that

943
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.559
<v Speaker 4>cards in hand aren't fucking better than treasures on the table.

944
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.079
<v Speaker 4>I say, unbanned Haull Breacher, and everybody's like, oh my god, no.

945
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.239
<v Speaker 4>And I say, make Notion Thief almost the exact same

946
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.800
<v Speaker 4>fucking card, make it a game changer or ban it,

947
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.719
<v Speaker 4>and everybody's like, oh my god, no, you're so stupid, right,

948
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 4>And uh man, what I'm applying that same kind of

949
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:38.280
<v Speaker 4>logic to, like, what's better cards in hand? MANA on

950
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 4>the table or potential resource denial along with Mana advantage

951
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.239
<v Speaker 4>in Smothering Tithe after I spent for fucking Mana and

952
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:50.239
<v Speaker 4>don't have a creature like Smothering Tithe could be banned

953
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.480
<v Speaker 4>or could be off the game Changer's list. In my mind,

954
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:58.239
<v Speaker 4>I think if if Hall Breacher is banned, Smothering Tithes

955
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 4>can take a hike too. And if Notion Thief isn't

956
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 4>on the game Changer's list or isn't banned, Smothering Tide

957
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.840
<v Speaker 4>doesn't need to be there either. But here we are

958
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 4>Notion Thief and Smothering Tithe both on the Game changers list.

959
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.960
<v Speaker 4>So it's like, I guess all energy in the universe

960
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 4>is equal or some shit sure unbanned Haullbreacher. I said it.

961
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't hate that I have some.

962
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 4>I have one, I have three. It got banned and

963
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:28.159
<v Speaker 4>I took it out of a deck. And here's another

964
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.760
<v Speaker 4>good indicator that I've I've kind of warmed up to

965
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:38.159
<v Speaker 4>this idea. As an enfranchised and exclusive Commander player only commander.

966
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 4>I don't play legacy. I play very little limited limited limited.

967
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:45.119
<v Speaker 3>If you will, Yeah, limited can fuck off. I wasn't

968
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:46.840
<v Speaker 3>sad when Hallbreacher got banned.

969
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Either.

970
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.239
<v Speaker 4>I was sad when Jeweled Lotus got banned, and I

971
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 4>know we're not talking about Jewel Lotus, but it is

972
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:56.199
<v Speaker 4>an indicator. Would I be sad if Defense of the

973
00:46:56.199 --> 00:47:01.280
<v Speaker 4>Heart got banned? No, but I have an emotional reaction

974
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.039
<v Speaker 4>to that, saying like what the fuck why? And that's

975
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:09.639
<v Speaker 4>the same emotional reaction to Jude Lotus being banned, but

976
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.719
<v Speaker 4>the opposite direction, right, And if I'm that polar in

977
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 4>either direction, I don't think it should be banned or

978
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.400
<v Speaker 4>on the Game Changer's list, like oh my god, no,

979
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 4>what are you talking about? Or oh my god, no,

980
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:24.400
<v Speaker 4>what are you talking about? Either way?

981
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 2>And of course we're not talking about banning Defense of

982
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the Heart.

983
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 4>No, Absolutely, putting it on the Game Changers list, no,

984
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.400
<v Speaker 4>But I'm comparing it in the same vein and at

985
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.440
<v Speaker 4>the same man of altitude as something like smothering Tithe. Yeah,

986
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 4>and like Hull Breacher and Notion Thief.

987
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I would say it changes games as much as a

988
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:43.800
<v Speaker 2>smothering Tithe. I would say that.

989
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 3>And again, I think that smothering Tithe on the Game

990
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.119
<v Speaker 3>Changers list is kind of soft. I think that it's

991
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 3>probably shouldn't be there, and I'm the one that argued

992
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.519
<v Speaker 3>that the card was really fucking good. But I think

993
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:53.119
<v Speaker 3>it's that good.

994
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:56.440
<v Speaker 4>I think that Defense of the heart's even softer because

995
00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:59.679
<v Speaker 4>I don't get anything out of Defense of the Heart

996
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 4>on player two or three or force turn like I

997
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 4>do with Smothering Tithe. Yes, I do get something if

998
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 4>you don't pay. I do get something if you do pay,

999
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:11.679
<v Speaker 4>because you're like, I get something either way.

1000
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:13.960
<v Speaker 3>That's my argument. You win no matter what. Money, you win,

1001
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 3>no matter what. And the Defense of the.

1002
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Heart is you win if you get back to your turn.

1003
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:19.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah what if you What if I have Defense of

1004
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:21.719
<v Speaker 4>the Heart and you go Wrath of God? I don't, oh,

1005
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 4>and then.

1006
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:27.000
<v Speaker 3>You just a timewalk myself, Although haven't I've been in

1007
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.239
<v Speaker 3>those games where like, yeah, you go Defense of the

1008
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 3>Heart and then a Wrath of God. You're like, idiot,

1009
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.679
<v Speaker 3>try a rebuilding and then you just like you're amassing

1010
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 3>and they're afraid to go above three creatures.

1011
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 4>Because I don't hate that.

1012
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't hate that, right, So I've seen those games.

1013
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:43.079
<v Speaker 2>I've seen it.

1014
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:44.320
<v Speaker 4>That's resource management.

1015
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.800
<v Speaker 3>And I've seen magic change a game of magic the

1016
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 3>gathering right, Well, yeah, you.

1017
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.039
<v Speaker 4>Could argue that any card changes a game of magic.

1018
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:52.639
<v Speaker 3>That's true, but game change is the one that you're

1019
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:56.679
<v Speaker 3>supposed to play around, right, like they change the game

1020
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 3>and that you the game revolves. Aren't like a primeval type.

1021
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:05.039
<v Speaker 4>Bro I two islands untapped, you're playing around that? Yeah?

1022
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 4>How come islands aren't banned?

1023
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Because islands aren't what's doing it? The counterspell is, and

1024
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.639
<v Speaker 3>banning counterspells is outrageous. Putting counter spells on the game

1025
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:15.239
<v Speaker 3>changers list is outrageous.

1026
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 4>But here we are but free ones.

1027
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Fuck free ones?

1028
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you think that's often None of them are free.

1029
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 3>I suppose none of those cards, specifically, say free countertard,

1030
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 3>none of them, None of them, the best one of

1031
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:35.679
<v Speaker 3>them all force of will that requires you to pay

1032
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 3>a life whatever, it's a fucking life and a specific

1033
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:39.719
<v Speaker 3>blue card out.

1034
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Of your hand.

1035
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:41.800
<v Speaker 4>When did you become me?

1036
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.760
<v Speaker 2>I've always been you.

1037
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.920
<v Speaker 4>You're Rando and I'm Brian. I know it's right. I

1038
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 4>don't have an issue with You've come a long way, sir.

1039
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:56.719
<v Speaker 3>I am perfectly aware that the free counterspell is like

1040
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 3>the backbone of what makes legacy one of the most

1041
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.360
<v Speaker 3>gest formats that exist.

1042
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:04.119
<v Speaker 2>That's why it is what it is, former.

1043
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:06.280
<v Speaker 4>Course of will.

1044
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 3>Define the format for its entire existence, yes, sir, and

1045
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:14.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that it would define a format like

1046
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Commander in the same way because one counter spell in

1047
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.239
<v Speaker 3>most cases isn't.

1048
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Going to Oh no, of course, it doesn't blow a

1049
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:21.519
<v Speaker 2>game up.

1050
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:23.840
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's not. And I don't think that having

1051
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:27.159
<v Speaker 3>all the free counters on there is. I think it's

1052
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:33.320
<v Speaker 3>kind of spineless, if I'm honest, because it's people getting.

1053
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Fucking butter that you couldn't blow up my seven Manda command,

1054
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:39.480
<v Speaker 2>my seven man of Commander.

1055
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:43.480
<v Speaker 4>Did they put mana drain on the game changers list?

1056
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:45.159
<v Speaker 4>Not yet, not yet yet.

1057
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 2>They will they will.

1058
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 4>It's free, but my opponent has to cast something costs

1059
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.280
<v Speaker 4>more than too.

1060
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, But it will be. Do you think it will be?

1061
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:55.559
<v Speaker 4>Do you think that they'll take force will off because

1062
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 4>they were talking about that.

1063
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:57.840
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, they won't.

1064
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:02.000
<v Speaker 4>They don't do the swapper a freaking Eiffel Tower tag

1065
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.000
<v Speaker 4>team would whatever.

1066
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 2>You call it, the space dock. They will not. No,

1067
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:05.800
<v Speaker 2>they will not.

1068
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:07.000
<v Speaker 4>I think that they do.

1069
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:08.360
<v Speaker 2>They will not dock, though I don't.

1070
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.199
<v Speaker 4>Think I want I want freaking.

1071
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.480
<v Speaker 3>As much as I just said I think that the

1072
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Game Changer's list is great, and it is and I

1073
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.559
<v Speaker 3>think it does its job and it does.

1074
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:17.679
<v Speaker 2>I think that there.

1075
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 3>Are some cards on there because salt. I think there's

1076
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.719
<v Speaker 3>some people are salty about certain cards and that's why

1077
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 3>they're on there.

1078
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>That's why Guya's Cradle is on there. But the creature

1079
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.559
<v Speaker 2>that's a Guya's Cradle is not, or the other card that.

1080
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.079
<v Speaker 3>Flips over into a better Guya's Cradle and puts a creature.

1081
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Into your hand.

1082
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but they're slow. Not they're slow. They don't happen

1083
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:37.920
<v Speaker 4>on turn one of the land. I'm not arguing about

1084
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:38.360
<v Speaker 4>game Changer.

1085
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:40.519
<v Speaker 3>I just thought of this guyas Cradle on turn one

1086
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 3>is a bad play because you don't have a creature.

1087
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.000
<v Speaker 4>What if I play all the zero drop Cheerio creatures?

1088
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Brandle, your deck is stupid, so are you? Then you're

1089
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.079
<v Speaker 3>an idiot? Do you think I'm not afraid of you?

1090
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 4>Do you think okay when you say somebody's butt hurt.

1091
00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:59.199
<v Speaker 4>That's why free counter spells are on the game Changer's list.

1092
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I think, strictly my opinion.

1093
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that there's anybody on the Commander format

1094
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:11.719
<v Speaker 4>panel or internally in Watsy, who has a hand in

1095
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.519
<v Speaker 4>this decision? Game changers decision. I don't think that anybody

1096
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:20.199
<v Speaker 4>is that shortsighted. You don't think just to say, oh,

1097
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.079
<v Speaker 4>I've been blown out in Commander by Force a Will

1098
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:27.639
<v Speaker 4>too many times for for like, I don't think that

1099
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:29.480
<v Speaker 4>like anybody is that naive.

1100
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:33.679
<v Speaker 2>That's literally why they bants. That's okay, no reason.

1101
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 4>No, it isn't. No, it isn't. Let's stay off of

1102
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:40.199
<v Speaker 4>Joe lotus from it. Do you think that and this

1103
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 4>is this is dangerous territory to get into when arguing.

1104
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.639
<v Speaker 4>Do you think that they think players don't like that?

1105
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:53.559
<v Speaker 4>Does the Commander format Panel and Watsy think people don't

1106
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:58.159
<v Speaker 4>like to play against Force a Will? Yes? I love

1107
00:52:58.199 --> 00:52:59.360
<v Speaker 4>playing against force Will?

1108
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1109
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:00.960
<v Speaker 4>Am I the oddity?

1110
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>No, we do.

1111
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 3>I think the established players and players, once they gain

1112
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.639
<v Speaker 3>enough experience, once they've had the do the thing phase, right,

1113
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 3>because everybody loves to do the thing.

1114
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, to do the thing phase is the phase I

1115
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 4>think where you have the most trouble with Force of

1116
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Will and its.

1117
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.679
<v Speaker 3>Friends precisely, and then once you've moved up Okay, okay,

1118
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm leveling up my game a little bit.

1119
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 4>I've cast team at dragon Storm like a hundred times.

1120
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:29.440
<v Speaker 3>It's time for me to move into the four bracket

1121
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.159
<v Speaker 3>where I have to worry about man and man of

1122
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.800
<v Speaker 3>denial and extra turn chaining and all that stuff.

1123
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:36.400
<v Speaker 4>And I know that it's going to happen because that's

1124
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:37.719
<v Speaker 4>magic the gathering.

1125
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.800
<v Speaker 3>And in situations like that, I think that players eventually

1126
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.079
<v Speaker 3>come to a point where they're looking for a game

1127
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:45.840
<v Speaker 3>that has those really sneaky interactions that you have to

1128
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.159
<v Speaker 3>play around how many how many.

1129
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Cards do you have in your hand?

1130
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Asking how many cards you have in your hand is

1131
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:53.519
<v Speaker 3>the same as looking at somebody's board state and seeing

1132
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:56.679
<v Speaker 3>they have two open islands. It's the same thing because

1133
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:59.920
<v Speaker 3>you're playing around the exact same card. And I think

1134
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.000
<v Speaker 3>there's a point where an established player, players played for

1135
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:06.880
<v Speaker 3>a long time, looks for that. But I think that

1136
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:09.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying about the panel, but I am saying

1137
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:10.639
<v Speaker 3>maybe a little bit.

1138
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.679
<v Speaker 2>If there's watsa influence on the panel, I.

1139
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:18.360
<v Speaker 3>Would suggest that they would prefer to cater to the

1140
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:21.199
<v Speaker 3>I want to do the thing crowd, because that's who

1141
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.400
<v Speaker 3>they're printing cards for right now. That's why you could

1142
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.119
<v Speaker 3>in assistent stuff exists right For.

1143
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:31.320
<v Speaker 4>Sure, you could infer that there are more people in

1144
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:35.440
<v Speaker 4>magic because it's boomed over the last four years. There's

1145
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 4>more people in magic with less than four years experience,

1146
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 4>then there are people with more than four years experience.

1147
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 4>Now is it four years, is it five years? Is

1148
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:47.559
<v Speaker 4>it two years? I don't know. I'm just picking a

1149
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 4>number and just saying there's more people with less experience

1150
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 4>less experience than there are people with more experience. Sure, arbitrary.

1151
00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 4>And if that's the player base that wats He's making

1152
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.440
<v Speaker 4>cards for, and that's the direction the game is heading

1153
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 4>in because they want it to grow, and as Magic players,

1154
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 4>theoretically we should want it to grow too. We are

1155
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:09.920
<v Speaker 4>firm believers in this.

1156
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I want the game to grow as big as

1157
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:12.960
<v Speaker 3>it can be because I love it and I want

1158
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:14.280
<v Speaker 3>everybody to play it exactly.

1159
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I want Maggie to play. I don't want Gary to

1160
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 2>play it. I want everybody plays games.

1161
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:19.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if Gary could play,

1162
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Meggie could know. If we want that, we I mean,

1163
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.159
<v Speaker 4>we have to be on board with this, but maybe

1164
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:34.159
<v Speaker 4>our interest is not the exact same thing. Is what

1165
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:38.320
<v Speaker 4>the Commander format panel and Watsie assume the general player base.

1166
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 4>His interest is. And I will say this too. I

1167
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.519
<v Speaker 4>just listened to the Command Zone the other day, Rachel

1168
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 4>and Jos Josh Lacroix. We're talking about like this was

1169
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:51.760
<v Speaker 4>our information that we presented and we advocated for wats

1170
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 4>he takes it and makes the decision. So that's coming

1171
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:57.920
<v Speaker 4>right from the horse's mouth, Like there are outside or

1172
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.480
<v Speaker 4>sorry inside Watsea decisions that have nothing to do with

1173
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.559
<v Speaker 4>the outside command or format panel input. Of course, of

1174
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.039
<v Speaker 4>course it's their game, it's their sandbox and we just

1175
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:11.639
<v Speaker 4>all play in it. Yeah, and hmm, I'm gonna say

1176
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.639
<v Speaker 4>this for anybody from Watsie listening, and we know you're there.

1177
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Speaker 2>We love you guys by the way, you do a

1178
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:18.559
<v Speaker 2>hard job. Oh, nobody should ever threaten to kill you

1179
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:22.119
<v Speaker 2>or your family. No public service message to everybody out there.

1180
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:29.119
<v Speaker 4>Also a magic players like playing against free counters. I'm

1181
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:32.840
<v Speaker 4>saying that and saying it with a not straight face,

1182
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:37.119
<v Speaker 4>makes it like I'm joking and it's not true.

1183
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.039
<v Speaker 2>But it is, But it's true. There is a level

1184
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 2>where I firmly believe that people look for.

1185
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.440
<v Speaker 4>It and then look forward in liking it. Different things though,

1186
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:47.920
<v Speaker 4>and and the other thing about it is nobody's ever

1187
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:50.280
<v Speaker 4>gonna say that they like it. It's like it's like

1188
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.280
<v Speaker 4>the random guy who likes feet. Nobody's gonna admit that

1189
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 4>they like feet.

1190
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.039
<v Speaker 2>You're either tits or ass unless you're in the nation,

1191
00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:58.639
<v Speaker 2>in which case it is totally fine. We're not gonna

1192
00:56:58.639 --> 00:56:59.000
<v Speaker 2>shame you.

1193
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.760
<v Speaker 4>And if you're somebody that I still haven't ran into anybody,

1194
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:04.639
<v Speaker 4>and I'll bet you we know somebody. Playing against free

1195
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.840
<v Speaker 4>counter spells is like playing against the guy who likes feet. Yeah,

1196
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.320
<v Speaker 4>and you know what, you don't have to admit admit

1197
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.239
<v Speaker 4>it because I just did it for you, not that

1198
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:16.760
<v Speaker 4>I like feet. See see trap myself, I fucking trap myself.

1199
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.079
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's just adding an extra layer of complexity

1200
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:19.400
<v Speaker 2>to the game.

1201
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.559
<v Speaker 3>And if you want to have free counter spells on

1202
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.079
<v Speaker 3>the game changer list, to make them a category like

1203
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 3>mass land denial.

1204
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:29.519
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I like that idea, Right, that's a good idea.

1205
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 4>If it's three counter spells are their own category, they're

1206
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:33.320
<v Speaker 4>not game changers.

1207
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I would suggest that that would be a better.

1208
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 4>Position to do it. That doesn't do it, That just

1209
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:41.480
<v Speaker 4>puts them in brackets four now instead of in bracket three.

1210
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:44.599
<v Speaker 4>I could play three of them. Yeah, I suppose I

1211
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 4>could play three of them in three and three of

1212
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:48.639
<v Speaker 4>them and four, four of them and four. I can't

1213
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:52.079
<v Speaker 4>play any of them in two, whether they're game changers

1214
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 4>or not.

1215
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:56.480
<v Speaker 2>You can't now, You're right if you can't now anyway,

1216
00:57:56.480 --> 00:58:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I could play foil, that's true, could play Days also true.

1217
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.679
<v Speaker 4>Fuck I got hard cast dazed one time. A few

1218
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.079
<v Speaker 4>Joela is playing my deck and dazed meet my own shit.

1219
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Fucking terrible, uh see terrible playing against free counter spells. See,

1220
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:15.000
<v Speaker 4>but only when it was my own thoe.

1221
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:17.000
<v Speaker 3>But it makes you a better player, and it like

1222
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:18.800
<v Speaker 3>it is it. I hate to say that because it

1223
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.800
<v Speaker 3>sounds like I'm condescending, and I'm not. It's just it's

1224
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.679
<v Speaker 3>an extra level of complexity to a very complex game,

1225
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.800
<v Speaker 3>and I think that at a certain level people are

1226
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:29.280
<v Speaker 3>looking to get into that environment, and that's where the

1227
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.679
<v Speaker 3>free counter spells live. You shouldn't play them in fucking two.

1228
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:33.679
<v Speaker 4>Now.

1229
00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:37.519
<v Speaker 3>If you have a one where every spell counters aspell

1230
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:38.519
<v Speaker 3>dot deck.

1231
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 4>No every spells, free theme deck, everything's a zero drop

1232
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:47.159
<v Speaker 4>that that deck would be a good deck to have

1233
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.719
<v Speaker 4>your guys cradle in. You're one game changer. If you

1234
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.880
<v Speaker 4>get one, and then you take the free counter spells

1235
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.360
<v Speaker 4>off like mac mac attack, he's got.

1236
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:57.039
<v Speaker 2>You didn't even need land. Everything's free.

1237
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:01.599
<v Speaker 4>Hell yeah, only MDFC. We built that deck zero land

1238
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:05.239
<v Speaker 4>up on the Commander Cooko YouTube channel. Mac Attack has

1239
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:08.079
<v Speaker 4>a deck. Every deck is every every card has something

1240
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:11.400
<v Speaker 4>to do with one. I want to make the deck

1241
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.400
<v Speaker 4>everything has something to do with zero. A guy's cradle

1242
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 4>in it.

1243
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:15.599
<v Speaker 2>You know what you could do with that?

1244
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:15.920
<v Speaker 3>Though?

1245
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 2>You could just play the biggest, beefiest, strongest beaters. What

1246
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:21.599
<v Speaker 2>does what to do with zero? Because it makes your

1247
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:27.880
<v Speaker 2>life towards zero? Right, that's you can justify anything with

1248
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a good.

1249
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:36.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah we did it. Oh yeah, okay, so this is

1250
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.719
<v Speaker 4>what I've come come to realize. Ok So we don't

1251
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 4>get too long in the tooth Producer Gary falls asleep.

1252
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's wired.

1253
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:48.320
<v Speaker 4>He's wired, seventeen cups of coffee, he's peede and pooped

1254
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:55.880
<v Speaker 4>like six times today, three times in the toilet even yeah,

1255
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:58.920
<v Speaker 4>defense of the heart, ban it, that's what I heard

1256
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:07.320
<v Speaker 4>from you. No ban it, change mass land denial completely. Okay,

1257
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:11.239
<v Speaker 4>play all of it that you want, Guy's cradle and

1258
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.079
<v Speaker 4>all of the things that do guyas Cradle stuff except

1259
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:17.880
<v Speaker 4>for Guy's Cradle. Ban them all except for guys Cradle banon,

1260
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:22.039
<v Speaker 4>but don't don't ban it. Okay. That was completely clear,

1261
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:28.159
<v Speaker 4>wasn't it. Notion Thief far less powerful than hull Breacher, absolutely,

1262
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:30.039
<v Speaker 4>except for when I have a whole bunch of cards

1263
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.800
<v Speaker 4>in my hand, then hull Breacher is more powerful. But

1264
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:36.159
<v Speaker 4>I need them for Notion Thief. So unbanned both of them. Yep,

1265
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.800
<v Speaker 4>actually banned Notion Thief and Unbannedhall Preacher. That was totally clear,

1266
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:50.159
<v Speaker 4>wasn't it. Yes, okay, and uh Jeweled Lotus definitely unbanned that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>that one was clear. It was clear.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been very clear on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, everything else, Yeah, good intentions or bad intentions, as

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<v Speaker 4>long as you have intentions, as long as it does

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01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:03.000
<v Speaker 4>you have intentions.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if you have bad intentions, just say that.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, yeah, that's great for chaos decks.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my deck that's designed to make you scoop. Actually, yes,

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01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.159
<v Speaker 2>just say that to somebody.

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<v Speaker 4>I have had people say that to me. And you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, that's better than playing your chaos warp and

1278
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.000
<v Speaker 4>your confusion in the ranks and your warp world and

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01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:28.760
<v Speaker 4>your this and you're that and describe, well, no, it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's not that bad because it wins, because it

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<v Speaker 4>actually frickin' winses. Okay, And I've been sitting and playing

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01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:37.719
<v Speaker 4>Magic for twenty five minutes, and I've had my lands

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01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:41.360
<v Speaker 4>tapped and blown up and confused and ranked and warped

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01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:44.039
<v Speaker 4>and worlded, and it's like, how does your deck win? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I just hope my opponent scoops. Actually,

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<v Speaker 4>we've all sat down, or anybody who's who's got some

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01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:56.440
<v Speaker 4>experience playing Magic, lowercase capital E experience playing Magic. Sorry,

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01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:00.519
<v Speaker 4>uh has had that experience? We have, yes, And I

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<v Speaker 4>would rather somebody sit down and tell me that that's

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01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:08.360
<v Speaker 4>their intention, so I can just say, eh, there's there's

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01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:12.239
<v Speaker 4>five thousand other Magic players sitting behind me waiting to

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01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:15.440
<v Speaker 4>play at Magic Con Las Vegas. I'm gonna go do

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01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.400
<v Speaker 4>that with somebody else. And I don't care if you're

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<v Speaker 4>playing a bracket two that has mass land denial and

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01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:27.159
<v Speaker 4>two card extra combo turned jerk off commander. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 4>This won't play yep, I don't know. That kind of

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01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 4>seems like a loan note to end on.

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<v Speaker 3>No man, that's one of the agency intention is when

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01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:39.639
<v Speaker 3>you're building decks. But remember, regardless of somebody else's intention,

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<v Speaker 3>you have the agency to say no, I'm not into that.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you can.

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01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:46.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to do that, and if they insist,

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01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:49.920
<v Speaker 3>then you can off. There's hundreds of there's hundreds more

1304
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:51.519
<v Speaker 3>magic players out there that you can go play with,

1305
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:52.599
<v Speaker 3>Go play.

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01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:57.800
<v Speaker 4>With them, or vote with your feet this yeah, especially

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01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:01.760
<v Speaker 4>the foot people out there. Yeah. Uh. For anybody who

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01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:04.119
<v Speaker 4>comes back to that and says, well, I don't have

1309
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.880
<v Speaker 4>a local game store, I only have one playgroup. I

1310
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:11.079
<v Speaker 4>don't know what to do. Literally play online. You could

1311
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:15.000
<v Speaker 4>worst case scenario, play brawl on arena. It has to

1312
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:16.400
<v Speaker 4>be the worst case scenario. But if you have a

1313
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.360
<v Speaker 4>webcam or a cell phone, you could play on spell

1314
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:24.079
<v Speaker 4>table and find literally like the Commander Discord or the

1315
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:26.880
<v Speaker 4>Magic the Gathering Discord, or if you join our Patreon

1316
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:28.880
<v Speaker 4>you can play with us. There's there's a whole bunch

1317
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:32.320
<v Speaker 4>of places to play online, and then you can do

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01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:36.199
<v Speaker 4>what we just described, which is have the agency to

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01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.199
<v Speaker 4>say no. Yeah, I mean if you and.

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<v Speaker 3>If your bodies, we did a whole episode and if

1321
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:42.800
<v Speaker 3>you have a body that's the fucking griefer, what do

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01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:43.000
<v Speaker 3>you do?

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01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:43.360
<v Speaker 1>With them.

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01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.760
<v Speaker 3>You pound him into the dirt until he stops it. Yes,

1325
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:52.199
<v Speaker 3>because three people escalating against one in magic will work

1326
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.519
<v Speaker 3>in real life. Don't don't do that, Nan, That's that's

1327
01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:59.519
<v Speaker 3>very cruel. But in magic, grind them into dog meat

1328
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.239
<v Speaker 3>until they figure out, Wait, maybe I'm.

1329
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:07.280
<v Speaker 4>The problem and them into dog meat. Right, that's it. Yeah,

1330
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:09.360
<v Speaker 4>if if I wanted to get good friends do if

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01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:13.280
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to get dog meat the card, where would

1332
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:14.159
<v Speaker 4>I go and do it?

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01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.519
<v Speaker 3>I'll bet you'd have a really good chance of finding

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01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:19.039
<v Speaker 3>a Fusion Gaming online dot com and you could pay

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01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:22.280
<v Speaker 3>less for it by using special promo code CCO Nation

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01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:25.800
<v Speaker 3>save yourself five percent off that your game changers.

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01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.079
<v Speaker 2>There's things that should be game changers, your extra.

1338
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Turns, your mass Land denial, and all your Final Fantasy

1339
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:31.519
<v Speaker 3>needs coming up.

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01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're gonna need it.

1341
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:37.280
<v Speaker 4>Here's here's the thing. When they unban Hullbreacher and print

1342
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:42.079
<v Speaker 4>it in Final Fantasy, you could get it there. Oh man,

1343
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:46.199
<v Speaker 4>I hope they put Band and Commander cards into Final

1344
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:50.519
<v Speaker 4>Fantasy just to troll you. I hope you open up

1345
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:54.480
<v Speaker 4>Final Fantasy Hull Breacher, me too and Jeweled Lotus. What

1346
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:55.679
<v Speaker 4>if they put it in there?

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01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Because they were like, oh yeah, it wasn't banned when

1348
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:02.679
<v Speaker 2>we printed the set. All that happened the one of one,

1349
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:06.199
<v Speaker 2>the four crystals, but it's a jewel lotus. Oh it's

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01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the four crystals, one of one. Host Malone still give

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01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:10.440
<v Speaker 2>me two million dollars for it, I hope.

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<v Speaker 3>So because it was one of one, I hope, so

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01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:14.880
<v Speaker 3>you would, Hey, I hope so definitely would.

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<v Speaker 2>He's post Malone, that's what he does. Speaking of Vegas

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01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:20.239
<v Speaker 2>and post Malone, I think he's playing there this weekend.

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01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:20.760
<v Speaker 2>That's fun.

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01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:21.079
<v Speaker 4>Cool.

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01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.400
<v Speaker 2>So if you're down there, you should. You probably should

1359
01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:28.320
<v Speaker 2>have gone and seen him. The moral of the story

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01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:30.039
<v Speaker 2>is you should. Also you should check out Fusion Gaming

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<v Speaker 2>online dot com. Thanks for being here on Commander.

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01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Cookout Podcast, Grab yourself a pile of bones, and we

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01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:37.239
<v Speaker 3>are going to be back next week with another super

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01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:41.480
<v Speaker 3>exciting episode of Commander Cookout Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>In our theme so