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When it comes to being a 9 00:01:50,319 --> 00:01:53,959 little kid, it's so hard to get everything right to 10 00:01:54,079 --> 00:01:56,680 shape a kid so that when they grow up they're 11 00:01:56,719 --> 00:01:59,879 well adjusted and they don't have any man sure hang 12 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:05,079 or issues they can function as a productive member of society. 13 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:09,520 It's not easy at all, but it's so easy to 14 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:14,400 have something happen that just tears that kid down so 15 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,319 that they have all sorts of trouble functioning in life. 16 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,280 Thank goodness, tonight's guest wasn't affected that strongly by his encounters, 17 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,800 but when you hear about one of those, in particular 18 00:02:27,159 --> 00:02:30,919 one that happened to him overnight when he was eleven 19 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,159 years old and home alone, when he had a pretty 20 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,319 darn traumatic Dogman encounter, to me, it's a wonder that 21 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:43,280 that didn't cause all sorts of long lasting problems. But 22 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:46,000 we'll just play the glad game on that and say 23 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:49,520 thank goodness before I bring him in here, just so 24 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,400 you know, he wishes to remain anonymous. So with that 25 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,159 in mind, we're gonna call him Phoenix. All right, let's 26 00:02:56,159 --> 00:02:59,759 bring him in here now. Phoenix, thanks so much. 27 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,759 Speaker 2: For winning us good to be here. 28 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,759 Speaker 3: Vic, Well, it's great, haven't you, Phoenix? Please give us 29 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,360 a brief bio on yourself. 30 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 4: Well, I grew up in Mississippi, which is where the 31 00:03:19,439 --> 00:03:21,800 first encounter will take place. 32 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: And growing up. 33 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,879 Speaker 4: In that area, there wasn't really much to do because 34 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:35,800 I mean, we lived on a farm basically, and it 35 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,960 was several miles out. 36 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: Of town, so. 37 00:03:41,319 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: I did a lot of hiking on our family pasture land. 38 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:54,639 And as far as as an adult, I've I've moved 39 00:03:54,680 --> 00:04:03,000 around quite a bit. I uh have lived in places 40 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:07,639 like Louisiana and Missouri and Colorado, and. 41 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: I am I. 42 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 4: Typically work in places like DMVs and banks, those kinds 43 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:25,160 of places. But as far as any kind of outdoors 44 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,839 the activity, I'll go on day hikes, but I am 45 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:36,199 not very fond of, especially overnight camping very far away 46 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:42,759 from a car for obvious reasons. 47 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: That pretty much sums up most of. 48 00:04:50,879 --> 00:05:08,199 Speaker 4: What I grew up with. I did have a well, 49 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:18,680 I did have some questions growing up because of especially 50 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:22,720 my my great grandparents. 51 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: And. 52 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 4: They would frequently tell us if we were being bad, 53 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:35,680 that the booger barrel get you. And I had no 54 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:39,439 idea what that was. So, you know, being a curious kid, 55 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,879 I was, what is that? You know, what is this thing? 56 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,759 And the only description I could ever get was it 57 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,079 looks like a booger. 58 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: And again I'm like what. 59 00:05:54,120 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: And the description they gave that they said it it's 60 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:08,120 a tall thing with hair all over it. And I 61 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,439 was like, okay, well what is what is the booger 62 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,639 bear then? And they said, well, it looks like that, 63 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:18,439 but it kind of also looks like a bear. And 64 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:27,079 when I was a kid, my great grandmother, it was 65 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,879 usually my cousin and I because he was adopted by her, 66 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:37,480 and he and I would stay over at at their 67 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:42,720 house quite frequently, and if we got too loud and 68 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,920 rambunctious at night, she would sometimes just put us right 69 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,959 outside the door to you know, calm us down and 70 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,000 being the store this having told been told these things 71 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:10,079 are out there, oh man, having been told that these 72 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,959 things were out there, that was usually a really good 73 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:17,480 thing to get us quiet, and I don't think she 74 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:20,079 would leave us out there more than like maybe a 75 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:25,360 minute or so. But one time in particular, I was 76 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:34,319 a bad one and I got put outside, and I, 77 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:38,439 being scared, went and opened her car door and crawled 78 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,439 in the back seat in the floorboard and covered up 79 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:44,040 with her blanket her coat. 80 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: Sorry. 81 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:52,399 Speaker 4: And I remember when they came out because I wasn't 82 00:07:52,399 --> 00:07:59,920 at the door, which they found unusual. She came out, 83 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:04,399 couldn't see me, went and got my great grandfather and 84 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:10,160 they were both out looking for me. And I saw 85 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:16,399 them go out around the back. They had flashlights and 86 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:20,680 they were asking or talking to each other and asking, 87 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,480 you know, he wouldn't have gone far, especially in the dark. 88 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:30,319 Speaker 2: And I remember. 89 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: Them asking if they thought that any of those were 90 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:48,200 around talking amongst themselves, you know, And at that point 91 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:51,480 I was I was already out of the car, and 92 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,440 I was kind of standing at the edge of the house, 93 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,240 but still in the light because I didn't want to 94 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,000 I didn't want to go in the dark. And they 95 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:07,200 turned around and I said I'm here, and after that 96 00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:14,759 they just kind of rushed me inside. They were they 97 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:22,000 seemed really really concerned. I don't know if they actually 98 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,960 had ever seen anything or not, but just based on 99 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:34,000 their descriptions, it always made me wonder. After, you know, 100 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,399 I started doing some of my own research. 101 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,759 Speaker 3: Wow, everything considered, I think they did know what was 102 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:45,120 out there. They had seen them before, or at least 103 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:48,279 it the one that paid you a visit, and that's 104 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,600 why they were so concerned. I can understand their motivation 105 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,080 behind telling you that the booga bear was going to 106 00:09:56,159 --> 00:09:59,840 get you if you didn't behave but telling kids about 107 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,320 it booger beer out there, that's one thing if it's jocular, 108 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,279 but when they knew that something like that actually was 109 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,200 out there, and unfortunately you went on to have the 110 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,639 encounter that you had. Of course, like I said before, 111 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,799 you've had more than one encounter, but the one that 112 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,519 you had overnight when you're a home alone as a 113 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,399 little kid, no one else in the house with you, 114 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,679 and you had that traumatic of an experience, that traumatic 115 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,840 of a prolonged experience. That's just horrible. That is absolutely horrible. 116 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:32,960 I really wish the parents wouldn't do that again. I 117 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:36,600 understand the motivation behind doing that. It's leverage, but there 118 00:10:36,639 --> 00:10:40,080 are other ways to leverage good behavior than to plan 119 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,000 a seed like that. Especially when you know that booger 120 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,519 beers are out there, or at least one Booger beer. 121 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:50,639 So yeah, not a fan of that tactic at all. 122 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,120 I'm not. I'll tell you what we're about ten minutes 123 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:57,679 into this Phoenix, So without any further ado, you've got 124 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,440 a lot of experiences to share. Let's dive into it now. 125 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:04,120 Please take your time. I know this isn't easy to 126 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,240 talk about. You had a lot of trouble talking about 127 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,000 this the first time we spoke. But yeah, please do 128 00:11:10,159 --> 00:11:13,360 take your time and just work through your experiences for 129 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:16,879 us in the chronological order, if you would, And please 130 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:19,320 remember there's no hurry, take your. 131 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 4: Time alrighty, So where I think this all started from 132 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,440 is I mentioned that I would go on these hikes 133 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,720 and typically i'd be out there for at least four 134 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:47,759 to six hours, oftentimes longer. And I had two dogs, 135 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,840 Sasha and Shadow, the German shepherd. Sasha was my Siberian husky. 136 00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:58,360 I happened to be with Sasha that. 137 00:11:58,399 --> 00:11:59,919 Speaker 2: Day, and. 138 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: Typically I would, you know, once I got far enough 139 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,879 in the woods, I would just unleash her and she 140 00:12:08,919 --> 00:12:13,600 would just kind of roam around and. 141 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:12,879 Speaker 2: Go wherever I went. 142 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,399 Speaker 4: At this point, I'd been out there for quite a while, 143 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,039 and I did come up from a different angle where 144 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:30,080 from where I usually go, which was a pond uh 145 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:35,000 and I always thought it was a beautiful area, especially. 146 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: In the fall. 147 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:47,399 Speaker 4: And I came up from this different angle, and this 148 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,440 time I did not unleash Sasha, so I still had 149 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,720 the leash when she stopped. And we weren't very far 150 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:05,879 away from this pond, and she stopped, and I was 151 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:08,120 trying to see what she was looking at, because she 152 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:14,559 had laser focus on something. And so I got down 153 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,759 on my knees to see under all the spruce trees 154 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,960 that were in the direction she was looking. I couldn't 155 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:27,039 see anything, and so I pulled on her, you know, 156 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,120 trying to get her to come with me to the pond. 157 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,919 And she wouldn't budge, and she let out a low growl. 158 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,360 I'd never never heard her do that before. Her fur 159 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:45,399 was bristled, and I was aware that we did have cougars, 160 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,240 we had black bears. There were even. 161 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,039 Speaker 2: Talk that there at. 162 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: Least used to be a pack of wolves. And keep 163 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:05,679 in mind that especially my older generation of family were 164 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:11,600 all farmers. They know what coyotes are, and to hear 165 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:16,559 them speak. These things were much larger than. 166 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:25,159 Speaker 2: Coyotes. So as I'm. 167 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: You know, trying to get her to move, which I 168 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,519 mean that wasn't unusual to just have her stop, but 169 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:36,759 this with the growling was something I'd never had her do. 170 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,399 And I couldn't see anything, and she took my hand 171 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,440 in her mouth and started trying to pull me like 172 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:55,879 back the way we came towards the pasture. Well, I 173 00:14:55,919 --> 00:14:59,679 eventually decide, Okay, it's it's time to go. She's really 174 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:06,960 gon comfortable, and I did note that it was pretty quiet. 175 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:12,679 I didn't really hear any birds or anything, and so 176 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,279 I start going back the way we went, and I 177 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,679 crossed the creek to go into the pasture, and the 178 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:27,080 pasture was bordering the road, so once I walked all 179 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,639 the way across it, I would be at the road, 180 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:33,759 and that was the intended thing, since something was apparently 181 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:39,720 out there. So I get to the road or I'm 182 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:44,799 crossing the pasture, sorry, and about halfway across, I hear 183 00:15:44,879 --> 00:15:49,519 something just moving. I wouldn't necessarily call it crashing through, 184 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:53,399 but it was definitely loud, especially allowed enough for me 185 00:15:53,519 --> 00:16:00,000 to hear it from that distance, and I didn't see anything. 186 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:04,000 Sasha wanted to take off and run, so we kind 187 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,960 of jogged to the. 188 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,039 Speaker 2: Road, and. 189 00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:15,279 Speaker 4: So I started walking down the road with her, and 190 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:20,080 she kept looking. 191 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: Back, you know, And. 192 00:16:22,799 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 4: I didn't get too far down the road, and I 193 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:27,360 ran into my aunt, who was on her way back 194 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:37,320 from my grandma's, and I told her there was something 195 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,679 out there. I didn't feel comfortable walking, so she gave 196 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,320 me an my doggie ride and took us back home. 197 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:56,360 And that night I heard something a lot of somethings, 198 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,799 and at first I thought it was coyotes, but they 199 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:05,000 didn't sound like any coyotes I had ever heard before. 200 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,440 To best describe it. 201 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,519 Speaker 2: It really sounded. 202 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 4: Like like Animal Planet hyenas. And that's what made it 203 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,359 so unusual for me, because I knew what coyotes sounded like. 204 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:29,920 I heard them all the time, but these didn't sound right. Eventually, 205 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:38,279 I do fall asleep and I usually had an alarm 206 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,559 set for about five point thirty in the morning. This was, 207 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:51,000 like I said, I was eleven, and this was about 208 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:55,680 the first year that I was allowed to stay up 209 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:02,920 and get myself ready in the morning. And I remember 210 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:08,000 waking up that morning in my bunk bed because I 211 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,079 have a little brother, and we shared a bunk bed 212 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,720 and I had the top bunk, and we were right 213 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:19,720 next to the window of the beds were And at 214 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,920 this point both my mom and stepfather would have gone 215 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,119 at least an hour prior to take my younger siblings 216 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,680 to the sitter and then on their way to work. 217 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:38,519 So I woke up a long time before my alarm 218 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,960 was to go off. I remember it being roughly four 219 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:50,119 forty five in the morning, and as I was laying there, 220 00:18:52,440 --> 00:19:02,039 I heard, excuse me, I heard this loud and deep, animalistic, 221 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,200 heavy breathing next to my head on the other side 222 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:06,880 of the window. 223 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: And as I was laying. 224 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:17,279 Speaker 4: There, I processed, wait a minute, this, this is probably 225 00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:24,759 a bear, and it's right outside my window. And that 226 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:31,440 made me really uncomfortable, and so I quickly and quietly 227 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:35,440 as possible climbed down the ladder from the top bunk 228 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:47,680 and I went into the living room and just sat 229 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,119 in a chair for a few seconds before I noticed 230 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:58,839 that the breathing had moved and it was now at 231 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:05,799 the living room window. So, because I didn't want to 232 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:12,839 draw any unnecessary attention, I went from the living room 233 00:20:13,279 --> 00:20:18,119 back down the hallway to my room and as I 234 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,599 was gathering my clothes that I had laid out the 235 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:29,160 night before, I heard breathing from the other window that 236 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:35,160 I had, which is facing the front yard along with 237 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,640 that living room window. It was also in the front yard, 238 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:45,599 but I heard it move back to. 239 00:20:43,279 --> 00:20:45,799 Speaker 2: The different window in my room. 240 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 4: And at this point I'm a little uncomfortable because it 241 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:57,200 seemed to be following me. And to paint a little 242 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,920 picture of no, we didn't have curtains. They were blind, 243 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,039 but you can still kind of see through blinds if 244 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:11,359 you look at a certain angle. But I went and 245 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,680 put my clothes in the bathroom, and I came back 246 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:23,759 out to the living room, and again the breathing followed 247 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:27,319 me to the bathroom, I'm sorry, the living room again, 248 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,079 and I kept moving back. 249 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 2: And forth, usually to my room and then to the living. 250 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 4: Room, just going back and forth from from each end 251 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:55,960 of each end of the house. And at one point 252 00:21:56,559 --> 00:22:03,599 I went into Mom's room and I heard the breathing 253 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,440 go to my front room or front window. Sorry, And 254 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,559 I was out of view of that window, but I 255 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:19,359 could hear where it was coming from, and I thought 256 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,000 maybe since I was in there, that if it couldn't 257 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:28,720 see me, it would lose interest and go away, and 258 00:22:28,839 --> 00:22:31,160 since I was being as quiet as possible, I was 259 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,000 hoping that it didn't hear me. And about that time 260 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:40,119 that I felt a little bit of relief. I heard 261 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:46,519 the breathing coming from the window on the side of 262 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:50,000 the house in my mom's room, which was right next 263 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:58,119 to the window where it was initially at. And at 264 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:07,759 that point I go back into the living room and 265 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,640 it just keeps following me. I don't know how long 266 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,839 this actually went on went on for quite a while, 267 00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:22,759 at least it felt like it did. And at one 268 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:28,319 point I went back towards the bedrooms and I closed 269 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:34,680 some doors, hoping to kind of draw its attention to 270 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,519 that endo the house. And then I bumped the thermostat 271 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:42,440 to cause the central unit to come on and mask 272 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,039 any noises I would make, and I basically sprinted to 273 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,880 one of the only two rooms in that house that 274 00:23:49,960 --> 00:24:04,119 had no windows, which was the utility room. I remember 275 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:10,559 going into the utility room, I pulled the door to quietly, 276 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,000 and I could hear this thing moving around. You could 277 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:23,200 hear the heavy thud thud of its feet. It sounded huge, 278 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:31,359 and as it was moving around, I could hear these 279 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:39,319 sort of like grunting growls, and I just kept hoping 280 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,240 that it would just lose interest, and I think I 281 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,720 was in there for at least half an hour. 282 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: Before finally I. 283 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 4: Hear these heavy padded steps come up on the concrete 284 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:01,440 under the carboard. Now that utility room have a big 285 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,720 metal door under the carport. And then there was another 286 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:09,400 one that came into the dining room, which was right 287 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:15,039 next to the utility room door as well, so I 288 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,000 knew it was under the carport at this point. And 289 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,279 as I was sitting there, I was holding my breath 290 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:31,880 because I didn't want to make any sound. And I 291 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,359 heard it move closer to the utility room door under 292 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,519 the carport, and I hear a sound that's kind of 293 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:47,720 like a kind of like if your dog comes up 294 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:52,119 and sniffs the door, but it was just one long sniff. 295 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:58,880 And then I hear something sharp tap on that metal 296 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:05,480 door three times, and then immediately after what sounded like 297 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:11,880 claws raking against that metal door, and. 298 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: I had to hold back a scream. 299 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 4: I silently gasped, and then I just opened the utility 300 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,359 room door, went back out through the dining room, keeping 301 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:37,559 my eye on the other entrance that comes into the 302 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:42,680 dining room from the car port, and I was kind 303 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,319 of keeping an eye on that door because it does 304 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,119 have a window on the door. 305 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,799 Speaker 2: It was covered, but. 306 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 4: Still, given everything that had happened to that point, I 307 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,799 was not comfortable walking by it. 308 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: And then at that point I go. 309 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,799 Speaker 4: Just at the entrance of the hallway, right next to 310 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:16,599 the living room, and I just kind of hide out 311 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,160 there for a little bit. Well, I can hear this 312 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,519 thing moving around, and it sounds like it's getting more frantic, 313 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:37,599 and at this point I'm starting to I'm starting to 314 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:40,480 get mad. 315 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,839 Speaker 2: That's just something I do. 316 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 4: I may get scared, but sooner or later that fear 317 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:55,400 turns into rage. So I opened the hall closet and 318 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,119 I took out the rifle. I loaded the magazine, I 319 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,279 put the mag into the gun, but I didn't load 320 00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:12,200 the chamber yet. And as I was approaching the door, 321 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,720 and I don't remember if I said it or if 322 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,000 I was thinking it, but. 323 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,559 Speaker 2: I remember the. 324 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 4: Words leave me alone, get out. And as I was 325 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:47,000 approaching the front door for the front porch, I heard 326 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:56,880 what sounded like a gunshot, and I stopped and made 327 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,319 sure that you know, I didn't somehow misfire. I didn't 328 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:03,440 see any holes in the walls or anything. 329 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,839 Speaker 2: So. 330 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 4: I kind of froze there for a minute. But I 331 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:20,920 noticed that after a couple of minutes, I started to 332 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,160 hear the sound of crickets and birds, whereas before they 333 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,599 had been completely quiet. So I went. 334 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: And unloaded. 335 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:40,799 Speaker 4: The gun, put it back in the closet, and I 336 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:50,559 opened up the front door, and I noticed that I 337 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,960 left this part out. But I noticed that my sister's bike, 338 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:59,920 which had been on the front porch, and I remember 339 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:04,200 hearing it being thrown. It was thrown far enough away 340 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,319 from the house that it wasn't really technically in our yard. 341 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:13,480 It was in my great grandfather's property. I mean, we 342 00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:15,880 didn't have like a huge front yard or anything, but 343 00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,480 it threw it that far away from the house. And 344 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,519 for anyone wondering why I wouldn't have went for a phone, 345 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,400 we did have a cordless one in the living room. However, 346 00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:36,960 it was right next to that living room window, right 347 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,279 where her bike had been, and that's part of the 348 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,920 reason why I didn't go for a phone. But once 349 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,160 everything was quiet and I opened the door, I saw 350 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,519 the bike out there. It was still dark when I 351 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:58,680 opened up the door, but we did have a like 352 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:06,160 a street light, and I saw that my great grandfather 353 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,319 was already awake. So I closed and locked the door 354 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:17,680 and immediately ran over, grabbed the phone and called him 355 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:24,880 and kind of told him what happened, and he said 356 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,279 he didn't hear any anything, any gunshot or anything. And 357 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,599 so he said, why don't you go ahead and finish 358 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,680 getting ready and then just bring bring and gather your 359 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,359 stuff for school? Since I had to catch the bus 360 00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:49,039 for seven, He said, just finish getting ready and call 361 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,759 and let me know before you hit over, and. 362 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: I'll just watch you. 363 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 4: So at that point I decided it'd be a good 364 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,440 idea too. Once I was ready, I went and checked 365 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,039 on the dogs and they were out in their houses. 366 00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:19,319 Shadow I opened the door and called for me. He 367 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:26,160 came out and was kind of whimpering a bit, and 368 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,160 I talked at him for a couple of seconds, and 369 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:36,079 then very reluctantly went to the edge of the car 370 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,680 court and peeked around towards the backyard where Sasha where 371 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:48,759 her house is, and I called for her and asked 372 00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:53,240 her you okay, girl, and she pokes her head out 373 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:58,880 of the house and gave a little the little husky 374 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,240 howl and then pulled her head back in. Well, since 375 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,319 she wasn't coming out, that made me feel like it 376 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,119 wasn't completely safe, but. 377 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,359 Speaker 2: Everybody was fine. 378 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 4: So I went back inside, gathered my things, like my 379 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:24,640 backpack and stuff, and I called my great grandfather let 380 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,240 him know I was about to head on over. 381 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:31,599 Speaker 2: And started. 382 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 4: On my way out the door again, and he when 383 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,039 I got through the yard and passed his muscadine vines, 384 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:48,319 I could see that he was outside standing on our 385 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,599 side of the driveway with. 386 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:53,839 Speaker 2: His old World War two rifle and he. 387 00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:59,319 Speaker 4: Was just kind of scanning the area behind me towards 388 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,559 the house in the shed that was near our house, 389 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,519 and I walked past. 390 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: Him, and I remember when I got. 391 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 4: Close to his steps that go up to the door, 392 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,480 I turned around and he was kind of walking towards 393 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:33,480 me that he was keeping focused on like the tree line, 394 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:43,920 especially behind the chicken coop. And after we got inside, 395 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,480 you know, he offered me breakfast because I hadn't eaten 396 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:53,239 yet because of all that, and I don't really think 397 00:34:53,280 --> 00:35:01,880 we really much discussed anything about that beyond that point, but. 398 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: Uh, that was. 399 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 4: The end of that encounter and as far as anything 400 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,760 else goes it. There were there were a couple of 401 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:21,480 bodities that that happened throughout the years, but there was 402 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,400 nothing that quite that traumatic. I mean, there were a 403 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,079 couple of times where I would hear things out on 404 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:39,440 different hikes and in the same property, but uh, I 405 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,719 don't think there was really anything that was quite that traumatic. 406 00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 3: Hey, not to interrupt you there, Phoenix, but I was 407 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:54,159 listening to you recount that experience, but I never did 408 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,400 hear you mentioned the shadow that you saw in your 409 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,360 sister's window. Did you mention that? 410 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,079 Speaker 2: Oh? 411 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:04,519 Speaker 4: Sorry, Yeah, I completely forgot about that. That's what happens 412 00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:10,400 when you're a nervous speaker, I guess. Yeah, there was 413 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:20,800 during that encounter before I closed the doors and bumped 414 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,280 the thermostat for the noise. That street light that I 415 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,119 mentioned that was in our front yard. While I was 416 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:35,039 hiding in the hallway, I was kind of in front 417 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:45,599 of her bedroom doorway. Her door was open, and what 418 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:53,039 I saw go across just as a shadow, was this 419 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:57,159 really tall Remember these these windows go up about eight 420 00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:08,360 feet I suppose, But I saw this thing move across 421 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,599 the window just as a shadow, and it had this 422 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:19,840 really long snout and really long pointed ears, and there 423 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,880 were the What I remember about it is there were 424 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,800 these toughs to fur on the ears, and I remember 425 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:34,000 looking at it as it passed and the way the 426 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:35,079 shadow was shaped. 427 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,199 Speaker 2: I was like that, whatever that is is it's on 428 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,480 two feet. 429 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:47,159 Speaker 4: And that that was the moment when I went and 430 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:55,000 started closing the doors and it's the thermostat to make 431 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,880 some noise and then random hidden the utility room. 432 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,559 Speaker 3: Do you want to take a little break before we 433 00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,280 continue their Phoenix, I mean, this is a lot to unload. 434 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,639 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, sure, if. 435 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 3: You want to maybe go get some water or something, 436 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,440 if you want to take care of anything else, I 437 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,320 can kill time here while you do that. I guess 438 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,679 basically reset alrighty wow. You know, like I said before, 439 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,320 Phoenix really deserves a lot of credit for mustering the 440 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,079 courage to come on and share these experiences with us, 441 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,440 especially the one that you just shared. Can you imagine 442 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,440 no one should have to go through that, especially when 443 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,800 you're just eleven. Talk about the formative years that's right 444 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,360 in the crux of it. Well, before he comes back 445 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,320 after resetting, I just want to remind you that I 446 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:56,159 just published four new episodes of dog Me and Tales. 447 00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:59,920 That's my new dog Me and podcast that I premiere 448 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,639 last Friday night. If you go to the description for 449 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,719 tonight's show, you should be able to find a link 450 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,719 where you can click on it and it'll take you 451 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,599 right to the spreaker page for the show. That'll make 452 00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:15,159 it really easy to listen to. And also, now's a 453 00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,360 good time for me to let you know if you've 454 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,880 had a dog mean encounter of your own that you 455 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,519 need help dealing with coming to terms with, or if 456 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,559 you would just like to be a guest on the show, 457 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,239 or maybe both. If you go to Dogmanecounters dot com 458 00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,880 and submit a report, I'll be more than happy to 459 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,719 contact you and schedule a film consultation so I can 460 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,719 find out how it affected you and we can just 461 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,679 take it from there and have a good conversation. It's 462 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:48,679 a really easy process. I see a question from to 463 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,400 be or not to Be looks like he wants to know, Vic, 464 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,519 what do you think about the guy from Wisconsin who 465 00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:58,880 has photos apparently of Dogman coming through portals. Well, that's 466 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,320 news to me. I don't know anything about that. But 467 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,519 please remember I'm not a researcher. I don't haunt dog 468 00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,760 me in groups on Facebook or other places, people contact 469 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,519 me and say, hey, have you seen that picture of 470 00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,880 a dog man that's at wherever? And I'll tell them, No, 471 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,920 I don't frequent places like that, so no, that's all 472 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:26,440 news to me. Who is this guy? If you can 473 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,440 type a response to that let me know, then I 474 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,039 guess we'll take it from there. Does anyone else have 475 00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,880 any other questions I can ask? In the meantime, while 476 00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:43,320 waiting for Phoenix to come back, Oh, I stand correct, 477 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,599 it sounds like he's back. Are you ready to continue? 478 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 2: I think so? 479 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:52,599 Speaker 3: Okay, great, well in your own good time, please. 480 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 2: Do all right. 481 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 4: So the next thing that that happens is when I 482 00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:16,159 was I had already left Mississippi at this point, and 483 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:28,079 I'm living with my now ex husband in Missouri, and 484 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:35,039 this was the first winter that we lived in the 485 00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,800 house together. That was that was his prior to that, 486 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,719 and we we just lived in my apartment for the 487 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:47,840 first year basically, and then we moved to his house. 488 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:58,880 And I remember it was it was pretty late at night. 489 00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:07,000 We had an outdoor wood burning furnace, real convenient for 490 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,920 heating the home. And this property was actually further out I. 491 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:22,039 Speaker 2: Believe in on a lake. 492 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 4: And I remember I was heading to bed because I 493 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,119 had to be up for work pretty early the next morning. 494 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 2: This had to have been about twenty fifteen. 495 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:43,599 Speaker 4: And as I am, I think I was laying there already, 496 00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:51,679 I just hear him scream and I jumped out of bed. 497 00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:58,679 I go through the house and I come up to 498 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:05,599 the dining room window, which is right next to the 499 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:10,800 furnace intake or output for the house, you know, And 500 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,159 I asked him what what what happened? What's going on? 501 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,800 And he said, there's something out here. And keep in 502 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,360 mind this this is, you know, out in the woods, 503 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:33,960 and so it's completely dark, dark, you couldn't see anything. 504 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,159 This is before we put any any kind of lights up. 505 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:44,079 And uh, I go out there with a flashlight. On 506 00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:47,039 my way out the door, we had this big, huge 507 00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:53,360 metal rod that I would later come to call my 508 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,719 beating stick. But I took that out with me because 509 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:07,599 I yea again, we had black bears and cougars there 510 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:08,039 as well. 511 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 2: And so. 512 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,119 Speaker 4: I'm standing out there and he's putting wood into the 513 00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:23,760 furnace and I could hear as he would go from 514 00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,800 towards the end of the pile at the other end 515 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:35,320 of the house. Whatever was out there was keeping pace 516 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:41,159 with him as he would go towards the end of 517 00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:45,000 the wood pile, and then it would follow him back 518 00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,960 just in the tree line to where I couldn't see. 519 00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,440 And keep in mind the flashlight we had. We didn't 520 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,840 have one of those fancy X ray vision flashlights that 521 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,960 we would later come to have, so I couldn't really 522 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:06,440 see anything. But again, whatever it was kind of sounded 523 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:17,519 like it was moving on two feet and that was 524 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:20,639 pretty much all that happened there. I just couldn't see 525 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:25,199 anything and it sounded strange, but again everything was quiet. 526 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,280 Of course, that was also winter, so there weren't any bugs, 527 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,559 but there was just no other noise at all, which 528 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:42,559 made it kind of eerie. And then after that it 529 00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:51,079 was relatively quiet as far as anything happening goes, until 530 00:45:51,679 --> 00:46:02,599 about twenty one twenty two, when we had well I 531 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:12,239 say we, it was me. He had gone too, I 532 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:26,880 believe a friend's house, and I was, you know, again alone. However, uh, 533 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:35,119 I had been sitting outside for probably a few hours 534 00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:38,119 at this point. I was sitting there minding my business, 535 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:52,960 playing a mobile game on my phone, and while I 536 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,480 was sitting there playing this game, I noticed it had 537 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,239 It had rained, which made the footsteps more audible because 538 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:14,199 I could hear the splat splat and oh, sorry, excuse me, 539 00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:16,800 let me get another sip. 540 00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 3: Of water real quick, sure, take your time. 541 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 4: But as I was sitting there playing my little game, 542 00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:40,719 I heard these footsteps. Now, these footstep steps were coming 543 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,400 from the back of the house, which was towards the woods, 544 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:54,320 or coming from the woods, and I noticed that it 545 00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,480 seemed to have a really long stride because they were 546 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,800 moving quickly, but it sounded very much like it was 547 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:12,840 moving on two feet. And then I heard it walk 548 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,960 past me on the front porch. It went down the 549 00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:26,719 hill and across the road. I heard crunch, and then 550 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,559 I heard the dumpster lid open and then it closed. 551 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,199 Speaker 2: We hadn't put the trash out yet, and I think 552 00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:36,000 that's why. 553 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 4: I think that may have been It may whatever it was, 554 00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:41,760 may have been looking for something to eat, because that 555 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,639 wouldn't have been a person. This was in one of 556 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:55,239 the colder months, and nobody would have been there. And 557 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:04,960 at this point I'm really paying attention because that was strange. 558 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,480 And I hear it take two steps across the road, 559 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:14,599 which is again gravel, and it starts coming up the 560 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:21,320 hill and it stops directly parallel with me, and I 561 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,840 hear that eerily similar to what I heard all those 562 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:39,079 years ago, that same deep, heavy, animalistic breathing, and I 563 00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:45,800 got up trying not to look in its direction, still 564 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,039 kind of trying to look at it to see if 565 00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:54,000 I could see what it was. But it was our 566 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:58,280 street lamp. The light from it was blocked by this 567 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,840 big cedar tree that we have basically right next to 568 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,360 the porch, so I couldn't see anything as far as 569 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,440 light goes. That part of the yard was completely in 570 00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:19,639 the dark. Now, to give some info, the way the 571 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,519 land is around that house is the front of the 572 00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:28,840 house comes up higher off of the ground than going 573 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,360 towards the back. So this front porch that I was 574 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:40,159 on was not quite six feet off the ground, and 575 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:49,000 I'm about five eight. So when I stood up and 576 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:54,599 I could see these glowing eyes, they were kind of 577 00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:58,599 a greenish blue with like a yellow hue towards the 578 00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:04,119 bottom of them, and whatever this thing. 579 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,880 Speaker 2: Was was. 580 00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 4: Really close to eye level with me from where it 581 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:21,239 was standing, and other than the eyes there were, all 582 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,800 I could see was the silhouette because there were there 583 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,519 was a light source further further down down the road 584 00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:34,639 behind it from one of the neighbors, and all I 585 00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:39,360 could see were these really long pointed ears, which kind 586 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,920 of reminded me of that shadow that had moved across 587 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,320 my window. I gathered the stuff that I brought out 588 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:55,800 there to our little table on the porch and just 589 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,199 trying to not pay as much attention to it as possible, 590 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:10,760 and just quickly went inside and I called After I 591 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:17,159 got inside, I called my ex and told him what 592 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:24,159 happened and that I'm not sure what that was, but 593 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:34,559 I felt terrified. So he asked if I was going 594 00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:40,000 to call the sheriff department and see if I could 595 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,079 have someone come out, and I said, yeah, I think 596 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:46,920 I'll do that because that that just made me really uneasy, 597 00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:52,920 especially given the experience I had years ago. And that's 598 00:52:52,960 --> 00:53:00,800 what reminded me of that experience was the breathing, and 599 00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:07,239 I just remember I kind of felt that same, like 600 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,280 primal fear that I had when when I was a 601 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:18,239 kid from that and I called the Sheriff's department out there, 602 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,280 they got out there, they walked around the property. 603 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,760 Speaker 2: We lived on a. 604 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,559 Speaker 4: It was right next to a campground and which his 605 00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:41,800 family owned, and we walked around the cabin where the 606 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:48,000 campgrounds were, and around the store. He even walked up 607 00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,719 around the house and just to make sure, you know, 608 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:59,199 there wasn't any anyone or whatever there. I followed him 609 00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:02,360 to a certain point. But while I was following him, 610 00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:05,960 I was looking to see if there were any kind 611 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,679 of prints. I didn't see any. I did check the 612 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,599 next day when they were when it was light, but 613 00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:20,079 I don't recall seeing much of anything. It was very grassy, 614 00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:26,199 it was not extremely wet, but there wasn't any like 615 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,199 mud where I could see any kind of clear indication 616 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,119 anything had walked through there. 617 00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:43,400 Speaker 2: But after he left, I. 618 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:51,079 Speaker 4: Had been feeling a little more calm, and I don't 619 00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:55,119 know if I could kind of sense. 620 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,519 Speaker 2: That it was there or what, but. 621 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,039 Speaker 4: Maybe about half an hour after he was gone, I 622 00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:11,400 just got this intense feeling of I guess I could 623 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:19,480 call it dread. The fear was returning. And I'm not 624 00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:23,760 sure if the fact that the curtains in the dining 625 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,360 room were just lace curtains you could see through those 626 00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:34,960 or not, but I felt really uneasy, and I remember 627 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,840 I felt so uneasy that I went and loaded the 628 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:48,440 shotgun with the three inch magnum rounds and I took 629 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,639 it upstairs with me to the office and that is 630 00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,400 where I slept in the office chair with the loaded 631 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,960 shotgun right next to me. 632 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,639 Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, go ahead. 633 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,800 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt you so that you know 634 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,119 when you're all done telling us about this encounter. We're 635 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,119 almost an hour in and I know you've got more 636 00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:18,239 experiences to share, including the time where you actually have 637 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,840 the sighting of a dog me in there after you 638 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,920 finish this particular encounter, Please go ahead and stop, and 639 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,559 we'll just have you come back on. 640 00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:28,079 Speaker 2: For a part two. 641 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:45,519 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, that was pretty much the end of that one. I, 642 00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:48,519 like I said, fell asleep in that office chair with 643 00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,400 shotgun laying right next to me. 644 00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,639 Speaker 2: And as far as far as. 645 00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:05,039 Speaker 4: That one, that one was done. I mean, there were 646 00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:10,239 some other minor things that happened, but that and that 647 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,199 was pretty much the end of that encounter. 648 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 3: Well, thank goodness, that was the end of it. Yeah, 649 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,320 you've been through enough, you really have. Sometimes it's best 650 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,440 to know when to pull up stakes and head out. 651 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:29,119 And after sharing those two experiences with us tonight, especially 652 00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:31,760 looking at the time. We're an hour in now, let's 653 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,199 just go ahead and stop it here for tonight. And 654 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,760 you've already agreed before we started the show to come 655 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,679 back for a part two to share the other experiences 656 00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:42,800 that you didn't have time to share it tonight, and 657 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,840 also do a Q and A. I'll have a lot 658 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,199 of questions for you, and I know that listeners will 659 00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,599 as well. So if you're sure that you're okay with 660 00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:53,400 doing that, with coming back for A part two, then 661 00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:58,039 let's just do it that way. Then alrighty, okay, great, 662 00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:00,280 And yeah, it sounds to me like you could really 663 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,119 use a break anyway, so definitely the best way to 664 00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:08,800 handle it. Well, yeah, let's just go ahead and stop 665 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,920 it here. That's what we'll do. Then we'll stop it 666 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,679 here and bring you back on for everyone listening. I 667 00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,199 don't know what night Part two is gonna air. There's 668 00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:19,599 a strong possibility it's not gonna air until next Friday night. 669 00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:23,079 But I'll get together with Phoenix here. We'll put our 670 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:27,000 heads together and get that all worked out. And once 671 00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,360 we do know when we're gonna record it, it'll be 672 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,840 a live stream as well, just like tonight's show was. 673 00:58:33,239 --> 00:58:35,400 I'll put the word out so you know when to 674 00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:39,679 expect it. But before we get out of You're Phoenix, 675 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,960 do you definey clothes and comments you'd like to put 676 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,639 out there for us? 677 00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:54,519 Speaker 4: As far as these encounters, if I guess if you've 678 00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:03,280 have something happen like what I had, I, especially with 679 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:09,559 that second encounter, I would say to try to ignore it, 680 00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:14,480 pretend you don't see it, don't acknowledge it, and just 681 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,679 go somewhere safe inside, do not stay outside. 682 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,840 Speaker 3: Well, that's really good advice. Have you been studying these guys, 683 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,599 because yeah, that advice is just about as good as 684 00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:28,199 it comes. 685 00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 4: After that second encounter. That's actually what prompted me to 686 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,840 start studying them, And that's how I stumbled across your show. 687 00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:44,079 And so I've been listening to a lot of your 688 00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:46,079 older shows. I haven't quite caught up with it. I 689 00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,760 don't think I've even caught halfway up with what you've 690 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:56,360 done so far, but I've There was one dog Man 691 00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,320 website for some guys I think they we were out 692 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:07,159 in Pulaski County, Missouri, that I had originally joined, and 693 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:14,400 just researched through various other sources as well, because I 694 01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:20,960 know that whatever that was wasn't normal, even though for years. Yeah, 695 01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:23,920 I did try and tell myself it was a bear 696 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,719 or maybe it was some creep who. 697 01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Was just trying to scare me. 698 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,320 Speaker 4: But like I told you the other day, the sounds 699 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,519 that were made, I can do some weird things with 700 01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:42,639 my voice, but I could not replicate that. 701 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,159 Speaker 3: Well, no, I believe it. There's only so much you 702 01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:52,079 can do. So yeah, that does make sense. Well, Phoenix, 703 01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:53,960 Like I said, I can't thank you enough for coming 704 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,960 on and sharing those experiences with this. Of course, you 705 01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:59,920 have more to share, so when we do part two, 706 01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,239 we'll just bring you back on and have you do 707 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,519 it then and answer some questions, do a, Q and A. 708 01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:07,719 But having said that, thanks again so much for your 709 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:13,840 time here tonight, and I guess i'll talk to you soon. Alrighty, thanks, 710 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:14,400 we'll see you. 711 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:15,840 Speaker 2: Thanks. 712 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,679 Speaker 3: That's it for tonight's show. And so that you know 713 01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:23,519 whether you listen to the podcast version of the show 714 01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:27,679 or if you use YouTube to listen to the show, 715 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,800 once I do nail down a time for Part two 716 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:36,960 to air, I'll post announcements in both media ways, in 717 01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:40,960 both YouTube and also podcast format to let you know 718 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,400 when to expect that Part two to air. But having 719 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,360 said that, as always everyone, thanks so much for listening in. 720 01:01:47,679 --> 01:02:03,880 Speaker 1: I hope you have a great nights. 721 01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:22,400 Speaker 4: English