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Speaker 3: Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world.
Speaker 5: It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast.
Speaker 5: I'm your host is always George Hobbes. As we record
Speaker 5: it is Saturday, April twelfth, twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 5: bring on today's guest. His name is Austin, joining us
Speaker 5: from Texas. Good morning, Austin, how are.
Speaker 6: You, sir? I'm good, good morning.
Speaker 3: How are you doing great?
Speaker 5: Thanks for taking the time to join me this morning,
Speaker 5: and please do take a moment and introduce yourself to
Speaker 5: the audience.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so my name is Austin. I live in San Antonio, Texas.
Speaker 7: I'm a big conspiracy theorist. Yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 7: just I just really like researching conspiracy theories. I mean
Speaker 7: I try to bring it up to my friends all
Speaker 7: the time and stuff, and some of them or you know,
Speaker 7: kind of have it, but some of them don't, and
Speaker 7: they kind of just like push me away.
Speaker 6: But I don't know.
Speaker 7: I'm glad that I have the opportunity to go on
Speaker 7: this podcast because I've been listening to it for I
Speaker 7: think maybe about like a year now, and I've I
Speaker 7: didn't even know like I could apply to be a guest,
Speaker 7: but I just listened to an episode one day and
Speaker 7: it was like, no, you can apply to be a
Speaker 7: guest here, so that cool.
Speaker 6: I want to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of been the theme.
Speaker 5: We just want to have a conversation with people who
Speaker 5: were in the trenches, you know, sharing their journey to
Speaker 5: the truth. One thing that I do want to mention
Speaker 5: and to the audience, and that's kind of my first
Speaker 5: question to you is you're only eighteen years old. You
Speaker 5: know what brought you to be a critical thinker at
Speaker 5: such an early age?
Speaker 7: Dang, I would say, I think I kind of started
Speaker 7: questioning things and realizing things, honestly, like when COVID came around.
Speaker 7: Because here's actually an interesting fact about me. So I
Speaker 7: was raised atheist, and I was an atheist for about
Speaker 7: sixteen years of my life, like from like zero to sixteen.
Speaker 7: And I was big Ino Nasa. I was big into space.
Speaker 7: I always wanted to be an astronaut and everything, you know. So,
Speaker 7: like the I would say, I really started to kind
Speaker 7: of figure things out when COVID came along, because even
Speaker 7: though I was like raised atheists and everything like that,
Speaker 7: my parents they were more conservative than most people. So
Speaker 7: when COVID came around, we kind of started to realize
Speaker 7: how much of like how much of a scamm it
Speaker 7: was and everything, and we didn't want to get the vaccine,
Speaker 7: and then my parents started kind of telling me stuff
Speaker 7: about it, and I was like, oh, wait, maybe the
Speaker 7: government isn't going to tell the truth about everything, you know,
Speaker 7: So I kind of just started, I guess, like researching
Speaker 7: a lot of COVID and everything and just kind of
Speaker 7: getting all into that and kind of figuring out the
Speaker 7: truth about vaccines and just like all the propaganda and everything.
Speaker 7: And I would say that's really where it started, honestly.
Speaker 5: So I'm guessing that would have put you around fourteen
Speaker 5: or fifteen, maybe a freshman in high school at the time.
Speaker 5: What was your experience like being in school. I really
Speaker 5: had the opportunity to talk to people on this platform
Speaker 5: who were you know, still in school at the time.
Speaker 3: How did it affect your life?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 7: Man, it was horrible. I mean, it wasn't that bad,
Speaker 7: but like it was just a lot of nonsense, you know.
Speaker 7: It's like one thing that I definitely remember was obviously
Speaker 7: we had to wear all the stupid masks. They literally
Speaker 7: put plexiglass dividers between our desks, like in school. It
Speaker 7: was the stupidest thing ever, it was horrible. And then
Speaker 7: also they had these like arrows on the floor that
Speaker 7: would like point in the direction that you had to
Speaker 7: walk and like in like like where you had to
Speaker 7: like walk throughout the school, and it was kind of
Speaker 7: They said it was to like control like the flow
Speaker 7: of traffic, to like stop the spread of like germs
Speaker 7: or COVID or whatever, but it was actually a lot
Speaker 7: worse idea because we were all crowded into one hallway
Speaker 7: and there's more people, and they're like, you know, more
Speaker 7: like congest like more congestion, people are touching things more.
Speaker 7: It was just like a really strange idea that they
Speaker 7: came up with that. And like I remember I was
Speaker 7: walking to class one day and I was walking against
Speaker 7: the direction of the arrows, but like my class was
Speaker 7: only literally maybe like ten feet ahead of me. So
Speaker 7: I was like, I'm not going to walk all the
Speaker 7: way over, you know, and do like a whole other
Speaker 7: loop when I could just walk right there like that
Speaker 7: just common sense. I literally stepped into the classroom and
Speaker 7: then this teacher came out and then she was like
Speaker 7: did you She was like, did you come from this way?
Speaker 7: And then I was like yeah, and then she was like, Oh,
Speaker 7: the errors appointing the other way, you have to walk
Speaker 7: around and come back. I was like, what, Like, are
Speaker 7: you kidding me?
Speaker 6: It was just so crazy.
Speaker 5: That's like something they would do in the military. Some
Speaker 5: of the nonsense that we had to deal with. When
Speaker 5: when the jabs came around late December early January of
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, did you notice that the school district
Speaker 5: or particular teachers, anybody kind of pushing the JAB narrative
Speaker 5: encouraging people to get jabbed?
Speaker 7: Well, actually, I I went to pretty conservative high school
Speaker 7: when I was like like during COVID and all that,
Speaker 7: so we didn't really have too many teachers pushing for it,
Speaker 7: but there was definitely I remember. I remember specifically like
Speaker 7: one teacher that we had. She was always masked up,
Speaker 7: and she had all of these just like I don't know,
Speaker 7: like liberal LGBTQ like posters and like stickers all around
Speaker 7: the room. And she didn't treat like like the male
Speaker 7: students and now she was just like super feminist and liberal,
Speaker 7: and she was always talking about COVID and like all
Speaker 7: these like protests that she went to. That was like
Speaker 7: the only teacher I kind of remember. There was like
Speaker 7: pushing for all that like stuff, but most of our teachers,
Speaker 7: I mean, at least at the school, they didn't. I
Speaker 7: don't know if like the school kind of like told
Speaker 7: them not to, but they were pretty conservative. But definitely
Speaker 7: one thing kind of related to that was whenever we
Speaker 7: would walk throughout the halls of the school, they and
Speaker 7: actually they didn't have these before COVID, but they put
Speaker 7: up literally all of these posters all throughout the hallways,
Speaker 7: and a whole bunch of them were like trust the science,
Speaker 7: like science is real, and you know, there was some
Speaker 7: stuff about COVID and like vaccines on there, and then
Speaker 7: there was also just like this like you know, just
Speaker 7: like DEI stuff. And but one of them I thought
Speaker 7: was really really interesting, which didn't have anything to do
Speaker 7: with COVID, didn't have anything to do with like you know,
Speaker 7: like vaccines or even like you know, all this DEI
Speaker 7: stuff that they're trying to push in school. I thought
Speaker 7: it was really strange. It's that the Earth is round,
Speaker 7: it is not flat. And that was a poster that
Speaker 7: they put up, and I was like, why would they
Speaker 7: put that up in here?
Speaker 5: That is interesting because I think last month we went
Speaker 5: up for our granddaughter's little musical Junior High musical. And
Speaker 5: it's funny because here we are in the spring of
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five and they had all of the same
Speaker 5: posters you were just describing, with the exception of I
Speaker 5: didn't see anything about a flat earth globe poster, but
Speaker 5: a lot of trust the science and germs and this
Speaker 5: and that, and you know, that is something in my
Speaker 5: journey to the truth. One of my biggest things that
Speaker 5: I champion is, you know, we need to completely rethink
Speaker 5: our education system because it is lost and critical thinking.
Speaker 5: It's thirteen years of a lot of nothing, a lot
Speaker 5: of busy work, and it is it really echoes what
Speaker 5: Rockefeller says is, you know, I want a nation of workers,
Speaker 5: not a nation of thinkers, and we can have something
Speaker 5: in between there. We can have people who create things
Speaker 5: but are able to think freely and make decisions without
Speaker 5: being propagandized.
Speaker 7: Right, Oh yeah, definitely. I mean the school system. I
Speaker 7: mean I'm still in it. I'm graduating this year thankfully,
Speaker 7: and I'll be done with it. But I've been in
Speaker 7: it for like, you know, like eighteen years, and it's
Speaker 7: just a whole lot of just I don't know, it's crazy.
Speaker 5: Did you have any big plans after high school? What
Speaker 5: did you have planned for once you're done with high school?
Speaker 5: Where you headed which direction?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I've always been an entrepreneur.
Speaker 7: So I've always been like super entrepreneurly like minded, and
Speaker 7: I've always had my own business. I've never really worked
Speaker 7: like too many jobs for like other people or anything,
Speaker 7: but something that has kind of interested Like. So why
Speaker 7: I say that is I might go into business, and
Speaker 7: I might you know, like make another business and like
Speaker 7: develop one. I guess because I actually had a window
Speaker 7: cleaning business that I was doing for a while and
Speaker 7: it got pretty successful and I had a business partner
Speaker 7: I sold it to him, So I would either go
Speaker 7: back into that, and we were doing a lot of
Speaker 7: work in like the San Antonio area making some good money.
Speaker 7: So that's definitely an option that I could do. But
Speaker 7: if I don't do that, I was actually I have
Speaker 7: two other options. One of them was I was actually
Speaker 7: looking at joining the military. I talked to the Navy
Speaker 7: recruiter I think maybe like a month or two ago,
Speaker 7: and I was looking at joining the Naval Special Warfare program.
Speaker 7: So I kind of joined some sort of like what
Speaker 7: was the Navy Warrior Challenge and I was training with
Speaker 7: them at a Fort Sam Houston. We'd wake up every
Speaker 7: day like five am, like go swimming. So that would
Speaker 7: that would be for special Forces. But if I don't
Speaker 7: do that. I actually found this program. It's in Australia.
Speaker 7: It's called five FOT stands for Flying fly Out and
Speaker 7: you can go basically work in the Australian like like
Speaker 7: the mines. I don't know what they mind, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Western Australia.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so they have those like the mining in Australia,
Speaker 7: like a really cool opportunity because you don't need any
Speaker 7: experience and you just fly there like they pay super well.
Speaker 7: They pay for your food, they pay for your housing,
Speaker 7: and I think it would be a cool experience and
Speaker 7: then just worked out for your for like a few
Speaker 7: years and I would have some I would have some
Speaker 7: good money saved up.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think ten percent of the world's gold reserve comes
Speaker 5: from Western Australia at this point today.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, And that's the thing they want. So there's
Speaker 5: only X amount of gold in the earth, right, There's
Speaker 5: still plenty, but there's only X amount, and that that's
Speaker 5: when you get to petroleum and gas. That's why they
Speaker 5: want you to believe that there's only a limited supply
Speaker 5: of gas, because if it, if work got out, there
Speaker 5: was plenty of gas oil, like there is water, they
Speaker 5: couldn't justify selling it for three four five dollars a gallon.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Gold.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Gold's the third largest commodity sector in Australia. I
Speaker 5: think seventeen billion dollars last whatever fiscal year that was reported.
Speaker 3: It's huge.
Speaker 7: I I didn't know that they were like had like
Speaker 7: a whole bunch of gold, but I I kind of
Speaker 7: through my research, I found out that their mining is
Speaker 7: a big part of their economy.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 5: But I think you guys work six twelve hour days
Speaker 5: and you get oh yeah.
Speaker 6: They were Yeah, they work like twelve So they definitely
Speaker 6: work a lot of hours.
Speaker 7: But what interested me was I don't have an experience
Speaker 7: and it's like they don't really require that, which is cool.
Speaker 7: But also they pay really well and you can basically,
Speaker 7: you know, like lift for free while you're there because
Speaker 7: they take care of your food and your housing and everything,
Speaker 7: and yep. I also just kind of think it would
Speaker 7: be a cool experience like go work in the mines.
Speaker 7: It's like, that's not really something that I've done or
Speaker 7: anything like I've I've grown up in like a pretty
Speaker 7: nice area, so I kind of want to like go
Speaker 7: do some hard work.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is, and it's it's very similar from
Speaker 5: one of the people I've talked to, very similar to
Speaker 5: the oil industry, whereas you have your little choes, your
Speaker 5: little container houses, they have a dining facility, and very
Speaker 5: very similar to you know, the military. You've got your barracks,
Speaker 5: you got your chow hall, and then you work all
Speaker 5: day in the in the mines and you have your internet. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they provide basically everything. And I'm you know, you're you're
Speaker 5: young now and you have a chance to see the world.
Speaker 3: Why would you do it? Absolutely? Oh yeah, definitely good stuff.
Speaker 5: Talk a little bit about your journey to how you
Speaker 5: came upon the subject of flat earth and what even
Speaker 5: led you to look into it for sure.
Speaker 7: So luck, I said during COVID was when I kind
Speaker 7: of first started questioning like the mainstream I don't know,
Speaker 7: propaganda and the news and all that. So that kind
Speaker 7: of put me on a sort of like a mental path,
Speaker 7: like a mental direction to more so think like, hey,
Speaker 7: don't always believe you know these like the things that
Speaker 7: these people tell you. So COVID happened for a while,
Speaker 7: and then that was really like the only thing that
Speaker 7: I was kind of like, I guess conspiracy theorists about
Speaker 7: for a while. And then I actually, I think it
Speaker 7: was freshman year of high school. I literally had an excess.
Speaker 7: I think I think you caught like an existential crisis,
Speaker 7: like a midlife crisis or something like that. Even though
Speaker 7: it was only a freshman, I literally started freaking out
Speaker 7: and I was like there, like I needed to figure
Speaker 7: out like if God was real or if you know
Speaker 7: anything like relating to that. I was like, I've been
Speaker 7: an atheist for so long. I just want to find
Speaker 7: out the truth. I need to see if God's real
Speaker 7: or and like all this stuff is like is their
Speaker 7: life after death? Like there has to be some sort
Speaker 7: of meaning to this. And I went down a big
Speaker 7: rabbit hole with that. So that was a big thing,
Speaker 7: and it took a lot of my time and energy,
Speaker 7: and I was literally researching for like months and months
Speaker 7: and months. I was like staying up like late at night.
Speaker 7: I was researching religion. I was researching Christianity, you know, Atheism, Hinduism, Buddhism,
Speaker 7: Buddhism and like Judaism and Islam and all these other religions,
Speaker 7: and I just wanted to see, like if there was
Speaker 7: enough evidence for I guess, like a religion that was true,
Speaker 7: you know. So after doing that for a few months
Speaker 7: and just devoting literally like so much of my focus
Speaker 7: and time into that, I found the most evidence was
Speaker 7: pointing to Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. So those were the
Speaker 7: which is interesting because those are the three Abrahamic religions.
Speaker 7: And then I was like, okay, now I boiled it
Speaker 7: down to three. Now I got to figure out, like
Speaker 7: if one of these is true, Like I have to
Speaker 7: figure out like which one is the truth?
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: So after I did a whole bunch of more research,
Speaker 7: and I honestly, at that time I was more like
Speaker 7: new Age spiritual when I was researching the religions. And
Speaker 7: I was New Age spiritual because I didn't want to
Speaker 7: follow the rules of like real I didn't want to
Speaker 7: follow the rules of like Christianity, for example. I didn't
Speaker 7: want to have to, you know, do all these things
Speaker 7: and not do all these other things. And the New
Speaker 7: Age spirituality for me was kind of like a way
Speaker 7: to be spiritual without having to follow the guidelines. But
Speaker 7: one day I literally just sat down and I was like,
Speaker 7: you know what, like Austin, you just need to like,
Speaker 7: regardless of how you feel, like what you want to do,
Speaker 7: you literally just need to figure out like the truth
Speaker 7: because you don't want to go to hell, you know,
Speaker 7: if it's real, you don't want to you know, be
Speaker 7: living in sin, if that's like a real thing, like
Speaker 7: all these Christians are saying it is. So I just
Speaker 7: buckled down and I just found so much evidence pointing
Speaker 7: to Christianity, like way more than any other religion. There
Speaker 7: was just so much evidence for it. I literally like
Speaker 7: had to become a Christian. It was just like completely
Speaker 7: undeniable at that point. So I became a Christian about sixteen,
Speaker 7: and then from there on out I started just you know,
Speaker 7: getting really like Christianity and just like researching like a
Speaker 7: lot of like theological stuff and everything. And then it
Speaker 7: was actually kind of a random thing that happened. I
Speaker 7: was friends with this guy and he sent me a
Speaker 7: TikTok edit of Ted Kazinski, and it was like it
Speaker 7: was just this TikTok edit of Ted Kazinski.
Speaker 6: And like them like arresting him and all this stuff.
Speaker 7: And then I started researching Ted Kazinski, and that TikTok
Speaker 7: literally got me like into the rabbit hole of researching
Speaker 7: all these conspiracy theories because I saw that TikTok and
Speaker 7: I started researching him. And then I was like, oh, wait,
Speaker 7: like the government's not that great and there's elite people
Speaker 7: out there, and like they don't want you to be,
Speaker 7: you know, doing all this stuff, and they don't want
Speaker 7: you to be knowing all this stuff. And then I
Speaker 7: kind of went from that to like I guess like
Speaker 7: the moon landing was fake, you know, like the like
Speaker 7: surface level beginner stuff. And then I just started researching
Speaker 7: a whole bunch of other conspiracy theories. And then eventually
Speaker 7: I saw some sort of like TikTok edit of like
Speaker 7: cause when I was first coming in like conspiracy theories,
Speaker 7: I'd watched like a little of videos and like TikTok
Speaker 7: and like YouTube and stuff and also bit shoot yeah,
Speaker 7: and then I saw like a flat earth video or whatever,
Speaker 7: and I was like, man, like this is crazy, Like
Speaker 7: people are gonna think I'm crazy if I believe this,
Speaker 7: and I kept seeing more and more of it, and
Speaker 7: I was like, you know, like maybe if they faked
Speaker 7: the moon manning, maybe this isn't so crazy. And I
Speaker 7: was like, all right, you know it's probably fake, but
Speaker 7: I'm just going to research it.
Speaker 6: Just kept researching it.
Speaker 7: I was like, all right, like this aligns with Christianity,
Speaker 7: this aligns with what I've observed in reality, and there's
Speaker 7: just too.
Speaker 6: Much evidence to deny it.
Speaker 7: So that's basically kind of how I came to that.
Speaker 5: Well, it's hard to believe that an eighteen year old
Speaker 5: is saying that you actually take the time to discern
Speaker 5: for yourself, and you actually looked at all the religions
Speaker 5: and it was interesting that it was narrowed down to
Speaker 5: the Abrahamic religions and then when you look at the
Speaker 5: fine details, you really understand, in my opinion and many others,
Speaker 5: I think most people listen to this podcast what the
Speaker 5: true religion is. And you know, we talked a little
Speaker 5: bit before the podcast, and I think we could cover
Speaker 5: some things on the fact Unner at some point about
Speaker 5: things related to it. But in your line of everything
Speaker 5: that you just said on how you came to becoming
Speaker 5: a Christian and we'll get into that now. Did when
Speaker 5: you finally realize that, you know, the whole lie about
Speaker 5: heliocentrism and that we live on a full plane, did
Speaker 5: you kind of get the gist of how important that
Speaker 5: this rabbit hole is and the intention of hiding God.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean it was definitely.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I realized how important it was, and it was just
Speaker 7: like so profound me. I was like, well, once I
Speaker 7: figured out the Earth was flat, I was like, dude,
Speaker 7: like my whole like worldview of like my of my
Speaker 7: reality to.
Speaker 6: Just like completely change.
Speaker 7: I was like, I don't know, it was literally just
Speaker 7: like the most profound thing and just like thinking that
Speaker 7: not thinking, like knowing that literally everything we've been taught
Speaker 7: in school and just by the media and the news
Speaker 7: and everything is just like it's just a complete lie.
Speaker 7: It just completely changed my worldview about things like my
Speaker 7: full on the live just like opinions and everything, just
Speaker 7: how I view the world.
Speaker 6: That completely change like literally everything.
Speaker 5: What were some of the you know, we call the
Speaker 5: silver bullets, but what were some of the evidences of
Speaker 5: flat earth that really puts you over to the flat
Speaker 5: earth side.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, definitely, So I would say number one for me,
Speaker 7: I would say the most. I would say the most
Speaker 7: convincing thing wasn't what convinced me initially, but is what
Speaker 7: convinced me the most now. So what convinces me the
Speaker 7: most now is you know the fact that it's literally
Speaker 7: talked about in the Bible, because that's what I believe
Speaker 7: is like the ultimate truth and everything. But initially what
Speaker 7: convinced me was I kept on seeing long distance photography
Speaker 7: and I was like, now, I've been up on planes
Speaker 7: before and I've never really seen the curve. And I'm
Speaker 7: seeing all this like long distance photography, these like YouTuber's
Speaker 7: talking about and everything, and I was like, that seems
Speaker 7: really weird that we can, you know, take videos and
Speaker 7: photos to that far without any curve, Like that doesn't
Speaker 7: make any sense at all. So I would say the
Speaker 7: fact that it's talked about in the Bible, all of
Speaker 7: the long distance photography that you know, people have been
Speaker 7: able to take, I would say, like, those are my
Speaker 7: main reasons. And then also just like you know, like
Speaker 7: me being like up on planes, I like, I've traveled
Speaker 7: on airplanes and everything, and I've literally never seen a
Speaker 7: curve or anything. So I would say that, like those
Speaker 7: are definitely the main reasons. Then also there's like more
Speaker 7: like like more like fine details, like I heard that
Speaker 7: they have like some sort of I guess it's like
Speaker 7: lasers or whatever, like radar or something on those Navy
Speaker 7: ships and it has to go on like a straight
Speaker 7: line so it can like detect anything like or like
Speaker 7: work properly, and it wouldn't work if there's a curve
Speaker 7: or anything like that. So that was kind of something
Speaker 7: that I found interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a big one.
Speaker 5: Sonar radar in the military, we had something called in
Speaker 5: OA two five four which we would use on our
Speaker 5: retrans sites and they were line of sight.
Speaker 3: And then I have.
Speaker 5: I've got to find my notes. But just yesterday I
Speaker 5: found through the CIA's archives fifteen NASA documents that say
Speaker 5: treat the Earth as flat and non rotational.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, yeah, not too.
Speaker 7: I remember once I saw it, I was like dang,
Speaker 7: like literally like even these people are saying it, like
Speaker 7: that's actually crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And if you put if you go to the CIA,
Speaker 5: it's very easy. Just go to the CIA archive and
Speaker 5: in not parentheses but quotation marks, because if you just
Speaker 5: put in flat earth, it'll give you any combination of
Speaker 5: words that say flat or earth, But if you put
Speaker 5: it in quotation marks, it will search that exact phrase
Speaker 5: and you will find all kinds of NASA documents and others.
Speaker 5: I think some training manuals talking about treating the earth
Speaker 5: as flat, non rotational nevy. Anybody who's been in the
Speaker 5: military before knows that you train as you fight, and
Speaker 5: there's no reason you would train one way and then
Speaker 5: execute another way. It makes zero sense. Oh yeah, definitely,
Speaker 5: what luck have you had? Shit hearing this uh with
Speaker 5: friends and family, et cetera.
Speaker 7: Well, it used to be a lot harder, honestly, back
Speaker 7: when I was a like an underclassman in high school.
Speaker 7: But now that I've become like a junior and a
Speaker 7: senior and all that, it's more so like I've just
Speaker 7: found more people that agree with me on the topics.
Speaker 6: Like back in the day.
Speaker 7: When I was younger in high school and everything, I
Speaker 7: kind of came to the truth and the realization about
Speaker 7: all of this stuff, and I was having like I
Speaker 7: literally could only find one person at my school that
Speaker 7: believed like everything about like the flatter thing, like Christianity.
Speaker 7: He was Christian and everything, and he knew about all
Speaker 7: the stuff going on and you know, all these elite
Speaker 7: people and stuff about the Holocaust and everything. So I
Speaker 7: only had like one friend that believed it for like
Speaker 7: the longest time.
Speaker 6: And then I moved to this other school this year
Speaker 6: and I.
Speaker 7: Found a lot more friends that are kind of like
Speaker 7: know about all this stuff, and we had to like
Speaker 7: talk about it in class, like we have like open
Speaker 7: discussions about it sometimes.
Speaker 6: So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 7: So I would say it's been hard for the most part,
Speaker 7: But recently I've been able to find more like minded people,
Speaker 7: which is good, but it's still very hard to find
Speaker 7: people like that. It's only it's only a few amount
Speaker 7: of people. There's it's definitely hard to find those, uh,
Speaker 7: those kinds of people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's also fair to say, because I remember
Speaker 5: when I was your age, those type of subjects weren't
Speaker 5: at the at the you know, forefront of my mind.
Speaker 5: There's so many other things going on. But when when
Speaker 5: you were able to get the conversation out in the open,
Speaker 5: did you find that many of the people would defend
Speaker 5: the globe without knowing any of you know, the stats
Speaker 5: behind it, how far the sun, the moon or any
Speaker 5: of that, just blindly defending helio centrism.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I.
Speaker 7: Haven't really talked about I haven't really talked to too
Speaker 7: many I guess, like globe believers about it.
Speaker 6: I've definitely talked to a few.
Speaker 7: I've only talked to people that I can trust about
Speaker 7: it who are globe believers, who you know, aren't anything
Speaker 7: I'm like crazy or anything. And then you know, we'll
Speaker 7: kind of have open discussion back and forth. But really,
Speaker 7: I would say, the only people I talk about it
Speaker 7: too or really just you know, fellow I guess like
Speaker 7: believers who believe like the same stuff. But now the
Speaker 7: people I have talked to you about it that are
Speaker 7: globe believers, Yeah, they literally don't know. They don't know
Speaker 7: how far away anything is. They don't know the statistics
Speaker 7: or the stats or anything. They haven't done any research.
Speaker 7: And then I tell them everything. Look, I'll tell them
Speaker 7: about like all this evidence, you know, like all this
Speaker 7: evidence that NASA has faked everything, and just all the
Speaker 7: evidence about the flat Earth and how it's in the
Speaker 7: Bible and everything, and then they'll they'll literally just like
Speaker 7: brush it off like they I don't even think it
Speaker 7: goes into their brain.
Speaker 6: It's crazy, Like they.
Speaker 7: Don't have any evidence to defend their to defend their position,
Speaker 7: and then you give them all the evidence and then
Speaker 7: they're just like, yeah, I don't know, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned in your email two things that I
Speaker 5: wanted to talk about is number one tartaria. How deep
Speaker 5: of a dive have you done on that.
Speaker 7: I've done a decent dive into the tartaria, but I
Speaker 7: honestly just haven't found it as.
Speaker 6: Interesting as like other topics.
Speaker 7: So I definitely know a bit about it, but I'm
Speaker 7: not like super well versed in it.
Speaker 3: I guess are you more into the.
Speaker 5: I guess I could ask you this way, do you
Speaker 5: believe that we are in the timeline they say we are?
Speaker 7: I honestly don't know, because that's something I question honestly
Speaker 7: like every day. It's kind of like I'll literally just
Speaker 7: think about that topic like almost every single day, and
Speaker 7: I'll be like, you know, like, is it really like
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five? Is that really like this timeline that
Speaker 7: we're on? So I see a lot of evidence for
Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm kind of split like fifty to
Speaker 7: fifty with that because I see a lot of evidence that,
Speaker 7: you know, it's not the timeline that we were actually
Speaker 7: in and that they're lying about all that. But then
Speaker 7: I also just think, like, I don't know, maybe maybe
Speaker 7: it's not true. I don't know, So that's kind of
Speaker 7: something that I'm divided on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm more into the architecture. Kind of paralleling that question.
Speaker 5: We watched recently that the film Wall Street from eighty
Speaker 5: seven and that the last scene is when he's walking
Speaker 5: into the I think it's called the moynihan Courthouse in Washington,
Speaker 5: d C. And it's the camera pans away. You just
Speaker 5: see this building with these huge pillars, and you can't
Speaker 5: help but notice that, man, all of this architecture in
Speaker 5: DC is all this Roman Empire based architecture.
Speaker 7: And oh yeah, that's definitely a part of tartaria that
Speaker 7: I have found a lot of interest in, and I've
Speaker 7: done a decent amount of research into that, like even
Speaker 7: just around San Antonio or like even Texas. Honestly, like
Speaker 7: I'll see some of these like super majestic, beautiful, old
Speaker 7: like grand buildings sometimes and I'll be like, they don't
Speaker 7: make stuff like that anymore. That would have taken a
Speaker 7: lot of resources, a lot of manpower, a lot of
Speaker 7: just like very good skilled people to make that, and
Speaker 7: it's just like it just looks so old. And also
Speaker 7: about like the Roman part too, you know, like it
Speaker 7: looks like it's not culturally like made, like it looks
Speaker 7: like it's made by an architect from like a different culture.
Speaker 4: Like it.
Speaker 6: It's just crazy.
Speaker 7: And you see all these buildings like all around the
Speaker 7: United States. And also another big one is the World's
Speaker 7: Fair that they used to have and all those big
Speaker 7: like just everything with like gold on it and all
Speaker 7: these big beautiful buildings and then they would just tear
Speaker 7: it down right, and then they say that they blew
Speaker 7: them up and they tore them all down and everything
Speaker 7: because it was just like a temporary thing.
Speaker 6: It's like I don't know about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is something, man. That whole timeline after you
Speaker 5: know what we're told the Civil War eighteen seventy one reconstruction,
Speaker 5: because there's a huge shift in I mean you think
Speaker 5: about it, and from eighteen sixty one to eighteen sixty five,
Speaker 5: we have people on horses, people shooting cannonballs, muskets, photography
Speaker 5: is brand new. And then reconstruction and then all of
Speaker 5: a sudden we have engines, we have cars, and then
Speaker 5: that leads into other things turned to the century. It's
Speaker 5: just that that twenty years and the advances that we made.
Speaker 5: It's a head scratcher. And I'm not saying that it's
Speaker 5: not possible, but it is kind of interesting that timeline there.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 7: Like I see all these like Tartaria photos of all
Speaker 7: these people like on horses and they're all where, like
Speaker 7: they're all where suits and everything, and they're just like
Speaker 7: standing around.
Speaker 6: There's all these like crazy buildings and everything.
Speaker 7: It's like it just looks out of place, and it's
Speaker 7: just like, I mean, it just looks like stage, you know, right.
Speaker 5: And the Tartaria thing that I think the most interesting
Speaker 5: connection there is the Great Wall, right, because the whole
Speaker 5: theory suggests that the Great Wall of China was could
Speaker 5: have been built by Tartaria, which was on the other
Speaker 5: side of China. What people believe, right, And people believe
Speaker 5: that the wall's defensive if you look at it, the
Speaker 5: wall's defensive features face inward towards China, not outward as
Speaker 5: you would expect if it was built by China. And
Speaker 5: then Chicago World's Fair eighteen ninety three, you know it,
Speaker 5: there is claims and that's why I look for these
Speaker 5: old books. It showcased Tartarian architecture, and again all of
Speaker 5: this resembles ancient Rome rather than what we see in
Speaker 5: modern America.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then also I've seen I've seen old maps where
Speaker 7: they literally have like Tartaria on the map. It's like
Speaker 7: this super big country or whatever, and it literally used
Speaker 7: to be on the maps.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a thousand percent. The theory is really interesting, but
Speaker 5: it's it's one of those things trying to connect the
Speaker 5: dots is extremely difficult because there are several things that
Speaker 5: you can't do in concrete. And of course, any time
Speaker 5: you're trying to connect the dots from five hundred years ago,
Speaker 5: you're just trusting on which document to believe, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: but it makes another it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5: That's why one of the big things I found interesting
Speaker 5: when they say they use the word founded.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah found it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, yeah, we found it, Yeah, we found it.
Speaker 3: And then your thoughts on the firmament you would mentioned.
Speaker 7: That, well, yeah, I definitely think it's one hundred percent real.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's in the Bible.
Speaker 7: And then they have all these you know, I get
Speaker 7: quote unquote rockets going up in the sky and then
Speaker 7: they curve and it's like, oh, you know, it's just
Speaker 7: going up the curvature e the like, No, they probably
Speaker 7: just don't want it to explode and you know blow
Speaker 7: open on the firmament. And even times when they have
Speaker 7: done that, you can literally see videos of like rockets
Speaker 7: going up and it's just it looks super weird. There's
Speaker 7: like like weird gases and stuff. It looks like it's
Speaker 7: in water or there's like like it explodes they get
Speaker 7: it look like it looks like it hits something or
Speaker 7: something like that. I mean, there's just so much like
Speaker 7: evidence of it, even just from like these space agencies.
Speaker 7: You can just like see videos and things just look
Speaker 7: don't look right. But definitely the fact that it's in
Speaker 7: the Bible is what convinces me as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, that that is the home run for me
Speaker 5: as well. It's it's in black and white God's words,
Speaker 5: so we should believe it one hundred percent. And unfortunately
Speaker 5: that's when we get back to that little seesaw where
Speaker 5: you know, one hour in church, thirty five hours in
Speaker 5: public school system that is run by the Rockefellers, and
Speaker 5: they are not on team Christ. They are on team Satan,
Speaker 5: and that leads me to my next question. You talked
Speaker 5: about biblical evidence, and when you realize that we are
Speaker 5: living in this lie, then you realize how much of
Speaker 5: taxpayer's money seventy million dollars every single day is going
Speaker 5: to Satan's project, and how people are with that and
Speaker 5: we are basically supporting, you know, a version of the
Speaker 5: Tower of Babel.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5: Let's talk a little bit about the other theories before
Speaker 5: we do. I want to play this audio clip, and
Speaker 5: I want to I want you to kind of precede
Speaker 5: the the audio clip, talk a little bit about we're
Speaker 5: gonna trand we'll come back to flat Earth. But let's
Speaker 5: talk a few other conspiracy theories. Talk a little bit
Speaker 5: about what you found out with Bob Dylan.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean, Bob Dylan's super interesting.
Speaker 7: I think I don't exactly know when I kind of
Speaker 7: figured this all this stuff.
Speaker 6: I think it was about last year.
Speaker 7: But I started just just like regularly listening to his music,
Speaker 7: and I got Supernurse music and I liked it and
Speaker 7: all that, and I thought it was great. And then
Speaker 7: I kind of started to realize that he was one
Speaker 7: of those guys that had sold his soul, and I
Speaker 7: was like, oh, man, like all these artists that produce
Speaker 7: all this great music and it sounds beautiful and like
Speaker 7: everything is like it's just super popular. Like literally all
Speaker 7: of these people they always sell their souls and that's
Speaker 7: how they get all the success and everything. And I
Speaker 7: was like, and as a Christian, like I do sometimes
Speaker 7: listen to his music still just I really like it
Speaker 7: and enjoy and everything, but it's like I definitely feel
Speaker 7: there's some sort of like negative underlying like presence or
Speaker 7: like meaning behind the lyrics. And with Bob Dylan, I
Speaker 7: mean yeah, I mean I found so much evidence about
Speaker 7: him selling his soul and just all that stuff. Like
Speaker 7: I found a video about him where he was talking
Speaker 7: about how he went to the crossroads and how he
Speaker 7: sold his soul, and you know, obviously there's the one
Speaker 7: with the sixty minutes where he's you know, like made
Speaker 7: a bargain with the chief Commander and all that. So
Speaker 7: I mean even just like that's that's super good evidence
Speaker 7: by itself, but also something that really convinced me is
Speaker 7: the lyrics. There are so many lyrics, and I would
Speaker 7: say maybe about like eighty percent of his songs have
Speaker 7: some sort of evidence behind it about some sort of
Speaker 7: like demonic deal or some sort of just something like that,
Speaker 7: some sort of like biblical theme that kind of talks
Speaker 7: about like what he did, for example, like Joker Man.
Speaker 7: If you watch the music video the Bob Dylan has
Speaker 7: for some Joker Man, there's a lot of pictures and
Speaker 7: themes and just like good evidence in there.
Speaker 6: And also like the lyrics and everything are really good.
Speaker 6: But more so.
Speaker 7: The lyrics that were convincing to me was the songs
Speaker 7: like a Rolling Stone and also mister Tambourine Man. So
Speaker 7: there's a lot of I actually have a document that
Speaker 7: I wrote and I can pull it up on my
Speaker 7: computer really quickly. But if you just look at what
Speaker 7: he's saying, like, there's just so much evidence if you
Speaker 7: just like look at the meaning of it.
Speaker 6: So let me pull this up.
Speaker 7: So, yeah, So one of his songs, one of his
Speaker 7: lyrics was as you stare into the vacuum of his
Speaker 7: eyes and say, do you absolutely.
Speaker 6: Talking about him selling this little of the devil? And
Speaker 6: people listen, Okay, so this is really good to right here.
Speaker 7: It's so it's from one of Bob Dylan's songs, and
Speaker 7: the lyric goes as you stare into the vacuum of
Speaker 7: his eyes and say, do you want to make a deal.
Speaker 7: So I mean that just by itself is just an
Speaker 7: obvious reference to like making a.
Speaker 6: Deal with the devil.
Speaker 7: He's literally saying do you want to make a deal,
Speaker 7: and he's like staring in the vacuum of his eyes.
Speaker 7: And it's just crazy that people will listen to a
Speaker 7: lot of this worldly music and they won't even pay
Speaker 7: attention to, like the lyrics. Like I remember, I was
Speaker 7: listening to the song and I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 6: Thought it was a cool song, sounded amazing and everything.
Speaker 7: And I just started I just researched the lyrics one
Speaker 7: day and I was like, dang, Like literally each one
Speaker 7: of these lines has some sort of evidence to it.
Speaker 7: So that's a good piece of evidence right there. Another
Speaker 7: one that I have, let me, let me pull it
Speaker 7: up here.
Speaker 5: And I'm looking at the lyrics to this Joker Man song.
Speaker 5: It's it's out there talking about Sadam Gamara walking on
Speaker 5: water and uh oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 7: I mean even in that song, joker Man, I mean
Speaker 7: talks about sodom and Gomora. I mean, just like in
Speaker 7: the video, there's just a lot of pictures and everything
Speaker 7: that are related to just like biblical themes and like
Speaker 7: satanic things and all that.
Speaker 3: This is. I was never a Dylan guy, so I'm
Speaker 3: not aware of any of these lyrics. This is interesting.
Speaker 7: And then another one here is, hey mister, this is
Speaker 7: tambourine Man. Hey, mister tambourine man, play a song for
Speaker 7: me in the Jingle Jangle morning, I'll come following you.
Speaker 7: So I kind of think this is like he's calling
Speaker 7: out to lucifer as like the tambourine man, like he's
Speaker 7: asking to be led, you know, like the music is
Speaker 7: like seductive or whatever to him, and he just wants
Speaker 7: to follow it, and he just kind of wants to
Speaker 7: just follow him and all that. And then also this
Speaker 7: other one, I'm ready to go anywhere. I'm ready for
Speaker 7: to fade into my own parade. Cast your dancing spell
Speaker 7: my way, I promise to go under it. I mean
Speaker 7: that's literally just talking talking about him wanting to follow
Speaker 7: the devil. He wants to go under it, he wants
Speaker 7: to be put under a spell. I mean there's so
Speaker 7: much literally, I mean in the songs, mister tamburine Man,
Speaker 7: and like a rolling stone here it is, Yeah, so
Speaker 7: the devil as a tambourine man. So he says, hey,
Speaker 7: mister tambourine man, play a song for me in.
Speaker 6: The jingle jangle morning, I'll come following you.
Speaker 7: I think that he's alluding to Satan as the tambourine man,
Speaker 7: I guess you could say. And he wants to just
Speaker 7: come following him, and he wants him to play a
Speaker 7: song for him. And as we all know, Satan or
Speaker 7: Lucifer was the angel of music in heaven. Another one
Speaker 7: that I have up and I guess if you look
Speaker 7: at these lines, maybe like you only like look at
Speaker 7: one of them, like it's not very convincing, But when
Speaker 7: you look at each of the lyrics and the songs,
Speaker 7: it just adds up in a compounds and it's like, oh,
Speaker 7: that's interesting, and that's interesting, and that that looks like
Speaker 7: it has a meaning to it, and you just add
Speaker 7: it all up and it just it's just a whole
Speaker 7: bunch of evidence. Another one that I had over here
Speaker 7: was oh yeah, this one because okay, yeah, forgetting faith.
Speaker 7: So one of his lyrics is with all memory and
Speaker 7: fate driven deep beneath the waves, let me forget about today,
Speaker 7: until tomorrow. So I think this is talking about him
Speaker 7: just honestly, like wanted to forget what he did, like
Speaker 7: the deal that he made, forget you know where he's going.
Speaker 7: He doesn't want to deal with it. And a lot
Speaker 7: of these artists and musicians that they sell their souls
Speaker 7: like they enjoy in the moment, right, but then as
Speaker 7: they get older and they kind of realize like what
Speaker 7: they did, they really get like super depressed. They they
Speaker 7: you know, they start taking all these drugs and everything,
Speaker 7: and then they die and it's just like the super
Speaker 7: sad thing and it's like they just got old, they
Speaker 7: got depressed and everything. And even if you watch that
Speaker 7: sixty minutes interview with Bob Dylan where he's talking about
Speaker 7: making a deal with the Chief Commander, he just looks
Speaker 7: super old and just like not happy with life.
Speaker 6: He looks depressed.
Speaker 7: He like he sounds like super I guess, like regretful
Speaker 7: when he's talking about like what he did, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I made a deal with it, and I'm holding up
Speaker 7: my end.
Speaker 6: And it's like he knows, like he's getting.
Speaker 7: Old and he's going to have to pay the price
Speaker 7: for what he did.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, Now that's a great time.
Speaker 5: Like the clip's only about thirty second, let's share it
Speaker 5: with the audience.
Speaker 6: Still out here doing these songs.
Speaker 3: You know you're still on tour. I do, but I
Speaker 3: don't take it for granted. Why do you still do it?
Speaker 3: Why are you still out here?
Speaker 8: Well, it goes back to the destiny thing. I mean,
Speaker 8: I made a bargain with it, you know, a long
Speaker 8: time gone. I'm pulling up my end. What was your
Speaker 8: bargain to get where.
Speaker 7: I am?
Speaker 1: Now? Should I ask who you to bard with?
Speaker 6: With?
Speaker 3: With?
Speaker 9: With with you know, with the chief chief commander on
Speaker 9: this earth.
Speaker 8: And this earth and then in the world we can't see.
Speaker 3: So there it is. It's it's in our face.
Speaker 5: And if people still don't believe, you know that this
Speaker 5: is real and people are willing to sell their soul
Speaker 5: for worldly goods. And by the way, it's Bob Dylan
Speaker 5: is quite the interesting deep dive. He's his real name
Speaker 5: is Robert Allen Zimmerman. And his name in Hebrew is
Speaker 5: actually I think it's pronounced Shabtai. Shabtai. This this wil Ben
Speaker 5: Avraham and Shabtai is actually uh, the same name is
Speaker 5: a secret society, a Jewish secret society at Yale University.
Speaker 5: You know, everybody's sort of skull and bones, the Manuscript Society. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, very few people have heard of Shabtai. But
Speaker 5: now that you have what's that guy's name, Vivik Ramwowski
Speaker 5: or whatever his name is.
Speaker 7: Yeahs avec Ramaswami or Swanny.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, that he's part of it. A lot
Speaker 5: of people that you've heard of are part of this
Speaker 5: secret society.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely. And then also something else that I thought
Speaker 7: was kind of interesting, so we all know how we
Speaker 7: change his name from Robert Allen Zimmerman to Babylon. Sorry
Speaker 7: to Bob Dylan, but I was I was kind of researching.
Speaker 7: I was like, can this be turned into like an
Speaker 7: anagram of anything? And literally, Bob Dylan can be turned
Speaker 7: into an anagram of Babylon. Real interesting. Yeah, if you
Speaker 7: rearrange the letters like that, it makes Babylon. There's one, well,
Speaker 7: one letter left over, which is D, but it makes Babylon.
Speaker 3: That is interesting. I did.
Speaker 5: Bob Dylan's use of Babylon typically refers to a symbolic
Speaker 5: representation of societal ills, corruption, and the dangers of power structures. Uh,
Speaker 5: so he does actually in his songs apparently refer to
Speaker 5: Babylon quite a bit, including all Along the Watchtower.
Speaker 7: And then I'm pretty sure he was all into I mean,
Speaker 7: obviously since he sold us All the Devil, but I
Speaker 7: think he was into I don't know if he would
Speaker 7: be he was into like crystals and like I guess
Speaker 7: like like dark magic and stuff like that. And it's
Speaker 7: kind of interesting to research that. But there was a
Speaker 7: photo of him during rehearsals for one of his for
Speaker 7: one of his consorts was it was taken in nineteen
Speaker 7: seventy five, and there's a photo of him reading this
Speaker 7: book it's called Crystal Magic, and like he's like there's
Speaker 7: like a photo of him reading it. So, I mean,
Speaker 7: you look at these people. There's just so much evidence
Speaker 7: to just show like what they're actually out there, like
Speaker 7: what they're actually doing, and people just kind of push
Speaker 7: it away.
Speaker 5: The chief commander of this world, yep, that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you can see it in this phase. It's one thing
Speaker 5: for the listeners to hear it. And I did put
Speaker 5: the show note. I put the link in the show notes.
Speaker 5: When you look at his face when he's discussing this,
Speaker 5: you can tell that what he truly understands, uh, that
Speaker 5: he probably didn't make such a great deal after all.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I mean I even went on to his website,
Speaker 7: and I feel like his sense of drad is even
Speaker 7: just pouring out on the ways posting on the internet.
Speaker 7: I went on to Bob Dylan's website or whatever, and
Speaker 7: there was it was literally on the front page. There
Speaker 7: was like a big thing in quotations and it said, well,
Speaker 7: my sense of humanity has always gone down the drain.
Speaker 7: And I was like, dang, like this guy is just
Speaker 7: like not having a good time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you google like celebrities that have sold their
Speaker 5: soul to Satan, The biggest one that we talked about
Speaker 5: before we hit the record button was the first one
Speaker 5: was really Robert Johnson.
Speaker 3: He died young. I think he didn't even make it
Speaker 3: to thirty.
Speaker 5: But here's this great American blues musician who he was
Speaker 5: the first one who really publicly claimed that he went
Speaker 5: to the crossroads sold his soul to Satan. And he
Speaker 5: went on to become even though it was short lived,
Speaker 5: kind of like a Kurt Cobain type of life.
Speaker 3: He was huge, a great blues guitarist. Then he was gone, Oh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he's super interesting research. I mean, there's
Speaker 7: not a lot there's definitely a lot of evidence about
Speaker 7: him selling his soul, but there's there's not too many
Speaker 7: photos or anything of him. It's kind of hard to
Speaker 7: find like documented evidence of like where he went when
Speaker 7: he sold his soul. Because here's the thing about Robert Johnson.
Speaker 7: People said that he was a They said that he
Speaker 7: was a horrible musician. Every time that he would play
Speaker 7: at like the bars and stuff, like everybody would tell
Speaker 7: him to stop playing, like he sounded horrible and they
Speaker 7: didn't want to play anymore. And then you know, he
Speaker 7: left like two years or something like that, and then
Speaker 7: he came back and then he was literally like the
Speaker 7: best like musician ever.
Speaker 6: He was playing.
Speaker 7: Everybody wanted to play more music, and people were just
Speaker 7: like absolutely like astounded about like how much.
Speaker 6: Better he was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, by the way, I'd forgotten he was twenty seven.
Speaker 5: He was the first one. He started the twenty seven club.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah definitely.
Speaker 5: And then of course they mentioned Bob Dylan, who came
Speaker 5: public about it.
Speaker 3: You just heard. I guess Eminem is another one which
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, there's so much I mean I mean, Eminem
Speaker 7: is still live, so he's not part of the twenty
Speaker 7: seven club, but he is. He definitely sold a soul.
Speaker 7: And if you just watch his music videos and really
Speaker 7: pay attention to lyrics, like that's like the biggest thing
Speaker 7: that if anybody wants like go out there and research
Speaker 7: and stuff, watch the music videos, see the symbolism in
Speaker 7: the videos, and just pay attention to the lyrics and
Speaker 7: just decide for the meanings behind it. He has talked
Speaker 7: like Eminem specifically has talked about all of this, you know,
Speaker 7: satanic deals and everything in his music and like let
Speaker 7: like he's talked about like demons attacking him and all
Speaker 7: this other stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not much.
Speaker 5: I've been out of the popular music for quite some
Speaker 5: time now, but it's very apparent people like Rihanna, jay Z,
Speaker 5: and Kanye West obviously are all Lady Gaga is a
Speaker 5: big one too. Yet these are the people who sell
Speaker 5: number one albums. People pay money to go to their concerts,
Speaker 5: and I always say it's interesting that people pay for
Speaker 5: their own demise, whether it's watching Netflix or going to
Speaker 5: these And here's the thing. When you go to whether
Speaker 5: it's jay Z or Lady Gaga or Rihanna. These aren't concerts.
Speaker 5: These are what's the word I'm looking.
Speaker 6: For, the ritual.
Speaker 5: Rituals, thank you? Just like the one the one that
Speaker 5: happened down your neck of the woods to the east.
Speaker 5: I think it was in Houston. What was the thing
Speaker 5: where you walked in through the mouth and there was
Speaker 5: people got killed trampled a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was Travis Scott.
Speaker 5: That was yeah, yeah, Travis Scott. Yeah, that was very
Speaker 5: satanic walking in through the mouth, like wow.
Speaker 7: And circling back to Bob Dylan relating to that in
Speaker 7: his In Bob Dylan's music video Jokerman, he literally has
Speaker 7: like symbolic biblical imagery of like the big mouth and
Speaker 7: like people walking.
Speaker 6: Into it like that's in that music video. Really yeah,
Speaker 6: there's so much.
Speaker 7: I mean, I would definitely encourage people to definitely watch
Speaker 7: that Jokerman music video after they listen to podcast this.
Speaker 7: It's super interesting the lyrics, the symbolism, everything, and just
Speaker 7: you can just kind of see on his face as
Speaker 7: you singing the song, just you can see.
Speaker 6: All of the meaning and the deep like emotion behind
Speaker 6: what he's singing.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, Yeah, I have it on my computer here.
Speaker 5: The symbology is crazy.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, the same thing with what was that?
Speaker 7: The Oh this is also a big one for Paul's Dead,
Speaker 7: Matt I used to be. I'm still big into it too,
Speaker 7: but I was super big into Paul's Dead for a while.
Speaker 7: But the Paul's Dead music video What was It? Eighteen
Speaker 7: eighty two music video by Billy Shears, That is a
Speaker 7: super interesting one. The lyrics and more so the symbolic
Speaker 7: imagery in that video.
Speaker 6: There's it literally shows a photo of Paul.
Speaker 7: McCartney's like the capitated hit because they killed them, right.
Speaker 7: But I mean even even besides that, there's just so
Speaker 7: much imagery and symbolism in that video to talk about,
Speaker 7: like what happened to Paul? They show all these ex
Speaker 7: free Mason, the cult rituals and satanic things and all that.
Speaker 6: That's definitely really interesting video. It's the eighteen eighty two
Speaker 6: music video.
Speaker 5: Have you ever seen the interview where Ringo calls Paul Billy?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I've seen all that.
Speaker 6: Like he calls them billy.
Speaker 7: You know, they have people just coming on to like
Speaker 7: like interviews or whatever, and they'll literally be like, hey, Billy,
Speaker 7: what's up, like everybody's calling him Billy, so like everybody
Speaker 7: knows the secret, you know, they're all in the secret
Speaker 7: group together, so it's it's really interesting. And then also
Speaker 7: going back to Billy Shears, I think he had like
Speaker 7: he was somebody was like filming him while he was
Speaker 7: on like a track. I think he had like a farm,
Speaker 7: so he was like driving his track or whatever on
Speaker 7: his farm. And then he was like, well, when you
Speaker 7: think about it, I never really started a band before,
Speaker 7: so I didn't know how to do it. And obviously
Speaker 7: he didn't start bank because that's Billy Shears. But Paul
Speaker 7: McCartney did start a band. If you just watched all
Speaker 7: these videos of you know, the Billy Shears guy, there's
Speaker 7: so much evidence of been talking about like yeah, like
Speaker 7: I feel like I'm two different people, like you know,
Speaker 7: like one of this person is like a famous person,
Speaker 7: the other one is like living a lie or like
Speaker 7: he has some sort of videos talking about that kind
Speaker 7: of stuff. Like there's it's very interesting to research like
Speaker 7: different interviews and and just like music videos from Billy Shears.
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. Can I play this clip real quick
Speaker 3: for the listeners?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, of course there's a five second dramatic entrance.
Speaker 5: It's Ringo star unmasks and the.
Speaker 9: Music was always more important than anything else to me personally.
Speaker 9: You'll have to ask the other two personally. Funny when
Speaker 9: you say that, now, you know, it's so new to
Speaker 9: me that I always sort of it clogs you up
Speaker 9: of it, and you know, because you're sold glimpse.
Speaker 3: We'll ask the other three.
Speaker 9: Now we can only ask two, which is a dragon
Speaker 9: into winning. But I'm sure he's okay.
Speaker 10: He just said Ryan would have mentioned it right, would
Speaker 10: have just right if a manager would have just said, oh,
Speaker 10: you know, and this show is segregated, there'll be black
Speaker 10: people over here and there'll be white people over here,
Speaker 10: and we went.
Speaker 6: Now we've played.
Speaker 10: So he's joking, you know, for us, you know, as musicians.
Speaker 3: So I'll put that clip in there.
Speaker 5: You'll see the clip see Ringo calls Paul Billy on
Speaker 5: multiple times. Yeah, and for the listeners, go ahead, go ahead, okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Also in the Strawberry Fields music video, if you listen
Speaker 7: to that, I mean also again likelogy, like the symbology,
Speaker 7: the imagery, and it is really interesting as well.
Speaker 6: But more so the lyrics at the end of the song.
Speaker 7: As the song fades out, you can literally, I don't
Speaker 7: know if it's Ringo or who, but you can literally
Speaker 7: hear one of the beatles any saying Paul is dead
Speaker 7: or no no. I think it sing like I killed
Speaker 7: Paul or Paul is dead or something like that. But
Speaker 7: it's like you can hear it as the as the
Speaker 7: as the song is like fading out, you can literally
Speaker 7: hear that lyric in the end of the song.
Speaker 6: It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it might have even been the Strawberry Fields Forever.
Speaker 5: I could be wrong, right by the way, when I
Speaker 5: was talking about Wall Street, it was New York City,
Speaker 5: not Washington, DC. But I think it was the Strawberry
Speaker 5: Fields Forever music video where Paul starts playing it right
Speaker 5: handed and then he switches the guitar around and plays
Speaker 5: it left handed.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then also after they killed Paul and they replaced
Speaker 7: him with Billy Shears, there's these photos of them with
Speaker 7: I think it was Jane Asher, who was Paul's girlfriend
Speaker 7: at the time, because I think they were trying to
Speaker 7: keep up that image of you know, him still being
Speaker 7: alive or whatever for a while, and then you know,
Speaker 7: they kind of I think Jane Asher left or stopped
Speaker 7: kind of hanging.
Speaker 6: Out with the Beatles and stuff.
Speaker 7: But there's a photo of Billy Shares with Jane Asher
Speaker 7: and he's literally like three inches taller when it's Billy
Speaker 7: Shears compared to whin it's Paul McCartney. Like, there's there's
Speaker 7: physical I mean, there's hype differences. There's massive differences in
Speaker 7: his facial features and the way that he you know,
Speaker 7: he plays his music with the left handers in the
Speaker 7: right hand like it's super interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and for those who may not be familiar with
Speaker 5: this that there is a theory that well, it's not
Speaker 5: a theory. Paul was in a car accident. I think
Speaker 5: it was August or September of nineteen sixty six, and yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, people claim out was just an accident. He
Speaker 5: was fine, but many people leave and there's there's a
Speaker 5: lot of interesting evidence all around it that he passed.
Speaker 5: And of course, when you have a machine like the Beatles,
Speaker 5: part of it is because of the money, part of
Speaker 5: it was because of more just kind of to distract
Speaker 5: away from what was going on in the world with
Speaker 5: Vietnam and the civil rights movement and all of that.
Speaker 5: But there was one other thing that doesn't get talked
Speaker 5: about too much. If I remember McCartney had crashed his
Speaker 5: mopett he was driving around in the year before in
Speaker 5: sixty five, and he actually chipped his tooth, and yeah,
Speaker 5: when you go forward, all.
Speaker 3: Of a sudden his chip tooth was gone.
Speaker 5: And there's kind of like biden and his body doubles.
Speaker 5: There's some significant differences with his ear and his nose
Speaker 5: and things of that nature. Wasn't it didn't They hold
Speaker 5: in Louisiana or somewhere like a lookalike contest, a Paul
Speaker 5: McCartney look like contest, and that's where they pulled off from.
Speaker 7: They did do that, Yeah, and then that's where they
Speaker 7: got I think, Well, he kind of goes by two names.
Speaker 7: People call him William Campbell and then also Billy Shears.
Speaker 7: But yeah, so that's where he found where they found
Speaker 7: him at.
Speaker 6: But there's a book called, oh gosh, what was it?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, The Memoirs of Billy Shears.
Speaker 6: I have that book.
Speaker 7: It's very good. It's so dense, like it's a It's
Speaker 7: just has so much information in it. There's like hidden
Speaker 7: clues all throughout the book and like you you literally
Speaker 7: have to like decipher it, Like there's so much interesting
Speaker 7: information in there. But I think that that book was
Speaker 7: partially written by the guy who published, like the actual author,
Speaker 7: but also partially published by Billy Shears. And he talks
Speaker 7: about it and like it's like in the first person,
Speaker 7: he's like, this is what we did with the Beatles
Speaker 7: and everything, And I honestly don't know, Like I don't
Speaker 7: think that Billy Shears is really trying to hide what
Speaker 7: he did because he's literally given so many clues and
Speaker 7: so much evidence that's like what actually happened, and he'll
Speaker 7: really talk about And also if you just read that book,
Speaker 7: The Memoirs of Billy Shears, like he kind of talks
Speaker 7: about how like he kind of feels bad about what
Speaker 7: happened and he wants to tell people, but he doesn't
Speaker 7: want to get killed, you know, Like he kind of
Speaker 7: like comes out and just like exposes the whole thing. So,
Speaker 7: I mean, that's the super good book if you want
Speaker 7: to get really into the whole pology Dad and everything.
Speaker 7: There's there's a lot of good information in there.
Speaker 5: Are you talking about the book The Memoirs of Billy Shears? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: And in parentheses it says the Memoirs of Paul McCartney.
Speaker 6: Oh really, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a very very highly rated book on Amazon.
Speaker 5: They've sold a lot, and it's you're right, and and
Speaker 5: listen that those clues not just in that book, but
Speaker 5: there's clues all over their music. That one track on
Speaker 5: Revolution nine that says turned me on dead Man. And
Speaker 5: there was a radio DJ from the sixties who suggested
Speaker 5: that Paul is dead theory, and I think he was
Speaker 5: an insider who kind of let it out. And then
Speaker 5: they continue to, like you said, leave hints on album
Speaker 5: covers within the music and the videos.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, the album covers were a huge disclosure for
Speaker 7: all of that. And also even just going back to
Speaker 7: you know, all of this like satanic you know, stuff
Speaker 7: in the music industry. If you look at the album
Speaker 7: cover for what was it, Lonely No No, Sargeant Tepper's
Speaker 7: Lonehearts Club band. You know, they have all these people
Speaker 7: on the cover and everything, like the you know, the
Speaker 7: whole Beatles, like the whole band and everything, but they
Speaker 7: also have Alistair Crowley in the background. It's like, why
Speaker 7: is he there supposed to get music band? Why is
Speaker 7: Alistair Crowley on the album cover of a Beatles.
Speaker 5: Like album exactly exactly, and and the theory goes that
Speaker 5: the Beatles felt guilty about hiding the truth swapping out McCartney.
Speaker 5: And I think one of the biggest evidences is the
Speaker 5: Abbey Road album and they're all in step, they're left foot,
Speaker 5: they're left foot forward, their right leg back, with the
Speaker 5: exception of Paul who's right leg forward, left leg is back,
Speaker 5: and he's not wearing a shoe.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's that's a huge one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a heck of an ex I I
Speaker 5: tend to believe it. It was actually my sister who
Speaker 5: told me about it years ago, and it was one
Speaker 5: of them things like, yeah, okay, yeah, how could they
Speaker 5: do that?
Speaker 3: How could they hide that?
Speaker 5: And then you take, like I always do, you take
Speaker 5: the evidence, you take what you think is not evidence,
Speaker 5: and you weigh against each other. And I think it
Speaker 5: was seventy five percent led to it was a conspiracy
Speaker 5: and twenty five percent evidence that it was just a
Speaker 5: made up story. So I'm three quarters of the way
Speaker 5: believing that it was probably the a conspiracy.
Speaker 3: And he actually died in that accident.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean he was definitely killed. And
Speaker 7: they've had professional facial like analysts or you know people
Speaker 7: can like you know, like decide, you know, like they've
Speaker 7: had professionals basically analyze the differences between, like the facial
Speaker 7: differences between Paul McCartney and Billie Shears, and they have concluded,
Speaker 7: like every single time that it's completely one hundred percent
Speaker 7: without it out a different person. And then people, I mean,
Speaker 7: you show us to people and they're like, I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't know, it kind of looks different, college saying,
Speaker 7: but it's like he literally he has a different nose,
Speaker 7: he has different like you know, marks on his face,
Speaker 7: like different molds, like he has different like it's different everything.
Speaker 7: He's tall, his teeth are different. There's a complete difference
Speaker 7: in the facial features. And obviously, you know, they tried
Speaker 7: to give Billy Shares, like you know, facial surgery and
Speaker 7: everything to make him look you know, more like Paul
Speaker 7: McCartney to make.
Speaker 6: It more believable.
Speaker 7: But even even with that, like he still looks like
Speaker 7: a completely different person. And his all his mannerisms are
Speaker 7: different as well. He acts different, he talks different, he
Speaker 7: moves his hands differently, you know, if you look at
Speaker 7: the interviews from you know, before sixty six versus after
Speaker 7: sixty six, even just his mannerisms alone, like, it looks
Speaker 7: like it's a completely different.
Speaker 3: Person one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: And back in the sixties into the seventies, backward masking
Speaker 5: was a big thing. And oh yeah back now, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: big time. And when I was eighties, you know, our
Speaker 5: church would talk about it, I'd roll my eyes like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: and I didn't really believe it. And then as I
Speaker 5: got older and you take the time to research it
Speaker 5: is a big deal. Stairway to Heaven from led Zeppelin
Speaker 5: has a lot of back masking in it, but Strawberry
Speaker 5: Fields Forever contained a backward message that said I buried Paul,
Speaker 5: and oh yeah, the song I'm So Tired says Paul
Speaker 5: is dead. Miss him, miss him, miss him?
Speaker 6: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 7: The backpassing is huge, especially one like you're saying, starre
Speaker 7: to Haven't. I've listened to back masking on that like
Speaker 7: a whole bunch of times. It's just really interesting to
Speaker 7: kind of kind of hear what they're talking about. And
Speaker 7: even if you just played the song normal, like for
Speaker 7: like and like how it's.
Speaker 6: Supposed to be played.
Speaker 7: The lyrics they're they're so symbolic, even just even if
Speaker 7: you just listen to the song normally, I.
Speaker 5: Wonder if AI if it will AI? Yes, AI can
Speaker 5: be used to reverse or bass mask how do you fall?
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna have to try that. AI apparently now
Speaker 5: can just play it backwards for you and you can
Speaker 5: listen to it. Back in the day, I had a
Speaker 5: big record and I'd just spin it backwards.
Speaker 3: To listen to it. Uh.
Speaker 5: But yeah, with technology, you don't have to do that
Speaker 5: stuff anymore. What were the other subjects that you had
Speaker 5: noted that you wanted to discuss.
Speaker 7: Well, I remember that there was one other music artists
Speaker 7: that I wanted to talk about. So this is going
Speaker 7: to be probably like the younger audience. I don't know
Speaker 7: what the age range of people who listen to podcast,
Speaker 7: but I'm an eighteen year old and one of the
Speaker 7: artists that I like to listen to, even though you know,
Speaker 7: he definitely sold a soul and it kind of talks
Speaker 7: about bad stuff, but I enjoy listening to his music.
Speaker 7: I think it's fun. But he died when he was
Speaker 7: twenty one. His name is a little Peep. So that
Speaker 7: was like a rapper music artist from like early like no,
Speaker 7: not like early. I was like twenty seventeen, like twenty
Speaker 7: fifteen kind of era. So he had a song and
Speaker 7: the name of a song was called It's called Problems,
Speaker 7: and I was listening to the lyrics on one. I
Speaker 7: was listening to the lyrics on that song, and one
Speaker 7: of the lyrics was I sold my soul to the Devil.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, it's literally right in front of our Facebook.
Speaker 7: We don't even have to like pay attention. It's like
Speaker 7: it's really right.
Speaker 6: There in the lyrics.
Speaker 7: And then another part of the song was like saying
Speaker 7: like take what the devil offers, and I was like, man,
Speaker 7: like this.
Speaker 6: Is so bad.
Speaker 7: Like I enjoy listening to the music, but probably shouldn't
Speaker 7: be listening to this.
Speaker 5: So I've you'll be shocked to know that I've never
Speaker 5: heard a Little Peep. But I pulled up his wiki
Speaker 5: page and I want to read this and see what
Speaker 5: number pops out to you. On November fifteenth, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 5: to before his twenty first birthday, my goodness, he was young.
Speaker 5: Little Peep died on his tour bus before a scheduled
Speaker 5: performance in Tucson, his second to last scheduled show on
Speaker 5: his thirty three date tour in the United States.
Speaker 3: Thirty three.
Speaker 5: Every single time, every single time, thirty three they're saying
Speaker 5: he died of fentanyl.
Speaker 6: Well, they said he died of a drug overdose.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know they said he was given like
Speaker 7: lace drugs by a fan or something. And he was
Speaker 7: definitely big in the drugs and all that, you know,
Speaker 7: him being a rapper and everything. But personally, every time
Speaker 7: I see these people, you know, they they they talk
Speaker 7: about selling their soul to the devil, and it's obvious
Speaker 7: through the way that they live, their lifestyle and their
Speaker 7: lyrics and everything they talk about, and they give good
Speaker 7: amount of.
Speaker 6: Evidence for it.
Speaker 7: All these people that die at twenty one years old,
Speaker 7: like they'll give some excuse for it, just like they
Speaker 7: did like Judice World, like, oh, we had a season
Speaker 7: on an airport. But it's like now, like the devil
Speaker 7: came to collect his soul, that's why he died.
Speaker 6: Like, you know, that's what I believe.
Speaker 5: That is interesting. He's got quite the bio. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: have to do and research into him, because yeah, there
Speaker 5: are a lot of very interesting things. Other than just
Speaker 5: the thirty three, there's a lot of I think they
Speaker 5: put a lot of these people when they put them
Speaker 5: out on the world stage. They like to push Yeah,
Speaker 5: I have anxiety, I have depression, bipolar, and he I
Speaker 5: guess he had suicidal tendencies as well. And some of
Speaker 5: the music and some of the lyrics, Man, this is
Speaker 5: this guy. They had him on everything ten X plus
Speaker 5: all the drugs he was taken. He must have been
Speaker 5: a very confused young man.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And it's definitely evident.
Speaker 7: There's lyrics like I listened to it, but it's I mean,
Speaker 7: I know that music, like it signs.
Speaker 6: Out frequencies to your brain.
Speaker 7: Like if you listen that stuff like all the time,
Speaker 7: it'll it'll kind of make you like start to think
Speaker 7: down and believe it. Like people that listen to this
Speaker 7: music and they don't really kind of give.
Speaker 6: It a second thought.
Speaker 7: It just goes into their conscious brain and then it
Speaker 7: turns on their conscious brain and then what the lyrics
Speaker 7: are saying, like that's how they feel. And that's a
Speaker 7: huge problem in today's society, is just all of these negative,
Speaker 7: demonic lyrics and just drugs and anxiety and all this
Speaker 7: like other stuff like it's affecting people in a very
Speaker 7: negative way.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree.
Speaker 5: That's something I had to consciously make a difference in
Speaker 5: my life. And it was one of the more I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna be dramatic, but it was you know,
Speaker 5: listening to music my entire life and understanding finally that
Speaker 5: it was actually having negative connotations and working subconsciously. I
Speaker 5: do believe that when you sing, you're chanting certain things.
Speaker 5: And going back to like you said, some of these
Speaker 5: concerts being rituals and you are emoting certain things, whether
Speaker 5: it's spiritually or or mentally, that have negative connotations. And
Speaker 5: it's one of those things I had to break myself of.
Speaker 5: And it's just a fact. We're in a war and
Speaker 5: they use everything against us, whether it's food, whether it's
Speaker 5: spraying us, whether it's the fluor ride in the water.
Speaker 5: The movie is we watch and certainly the music we listen.
Speaker 7: To, Oh yeah for sure. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 7: when Lucifer was in heaven, he was he was the
Speaker 7: angel of music. I think in the Bible said he
Speaker 7: had like you know, some like musical elements like carved
Speaker 7: into his body or like you know, something like that.
Speaker 7: He was literally like a musical being and then he
Speaker 7: you know, comes down to Earth after he fell from heaven,
Speaker 7: and then he's just going to take over that whole
Speaker 7: that whole industry basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it's in the Book of Ezekiel talking about
Speaker 5: where he mentions the tabrits and pipes in his creation.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is interesting. And again.
Speaker 5: The correlation of many people in the music industry who
Speaker 5: were noted as being horrible musicians all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: within a very short period of time, be becoming world
Speaker 5: class musicians. Is it impossible not? I guess if you
Speaker 5: work hard enough. But more times than not, there's something
Speaker 5: more nefarious and deep about the conspiracy itself.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of said something go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 7: Also something that I found about. I think I was
Speaker 7: talking to about this before we started the podcast, but
Speaker 7: I don't know if you could find the video, but
Speaker 7: there's that video of I'm talking about him going to the.
Speaker 6: Crossroads and selling his soul.
Speaker 7: If maybe if you could pull that up, I think
Speaker 7: that would be kind of cool so we could put
Speaker 7: it on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Which one are you talk about?
Speaker 7: It's talking about him going to the crossroads, because that
Speaker 7: the one from the sixty minutes was him talking about
Speaker 7: making like a deal with the chief commander. But there's
Speaker 7: a separate video talking about him going.
Speaker 6: To the crossroads.
Speaker 3: Oh Dylan, okay, gotcha?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah Dylan, Yeah, I think this is it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you need to be on.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 5: I don't know if this is a song or not,
Speaker 5: but it's talking about on the junction of US sixty
Speaker 5: one a US forty nine in clarks Delle, Mississippi. So
Speaker 5: he's actually talking about is this the song crossroads? I
Speaker 5: guess where he's talking about. He actually writes the song
Speaker 5: about Robert Johnson sold his soul.
Speaker 6: I think, well, that is a good one.
Speaker 7: But the one I was referring to is it's actually
Speaker 7: an interview and he's like, yeah, like I went.
Speaker 6: To the crossroads.
Speaker 3: Oh here it is.
Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, that's when I went to the
Speaker 5: crossroads and made a big deal, you know, like.
Speaker 8: Yeah, one one night and then uh way back to Minneapolis,
Speaker 8: and I was like, hey, where's this guy man? Yeah,
Speaker 8: he went to the crossrows.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 5: Yep, it's it's right in our face and people will
Speaker 5: put that aside and still and it should be noted
Speaker 5: that guy does probably the least amount of videos of
Speaker 5: any musician that that is of his caliber.
Speaker 3: He is a very posited guy.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there we go, great stuff. Segue back and
Speaker 5: finish up with the flat Earth. I would say to
Speaker 5: you if you've had any successes with sharing the flat Earth.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people in your age group
Speaker 5: are obviously busy with a lot of other different things.
Speaker 5: But going forward, if you were to present it to
Speaker 5: whether it's family or friends, I guess the question I'm
Speaker 5: trying to ask is, are you more of a breadcrumb guy?
Speaker 5: What facts are you presentable? Have you thought about, like
Speaker 5: in certain ways that you should present this particular evidence
Speaker 5: to others?
Speaker 6: Well, definitely with my family.
Speaker 7: I mean sometimes, you know, we're sitting around the dinner
Speaker 7: table and I'll kind of talk about like little breadcrumb
Speaker 7: stuff like I'll kind of talk about like you know,
Speaker 7: certain like elites or something like that, or like, hey,
Speaker 7: this musician just died.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm kind of.
Speaker 7: Interesting to look into the part of the twenty one club,
Speaker 7: or just like stuff about like.
Speaker 6: Jewish people doing stuff. So I'll kind of.
Speaker 7: Talk about like smaller things like that in hopes that
Speaker 7: they can kind of like find it interesting and research
Speaker 7: it and look into that and kind of research on
Speaker 7: their own. But I mean, I honestly don't really know
Speaker 7: what I would say if I was to just flat
Speaker 7: out like bring it up to somebody that didn't believe
Speaker 7: in any of this stuff, because you know, I don't
Speaker 7: want people like to think I'm crazy or whatever. It's
Speaker 7: it's really just like there's so much evidence. You know,
Speaker 7: if you start researching it, you're gonna find out the truth.
Speaker 7: So I honestly don't really bring it up to too
Speaker 7: many like people that don't believe in it. But I
Speaker 7: mean the ways that I have found people that do
Speaker 7: believe in this stuff, Like I mean, this year, going
Speaker 7: to this new high school, I've probably found about maybe
Speaker 7: like two new friends like at the school that are
Speaker 7: no actually actually three, Like they're super Christian.
Speaker 6: They believe in all that stuff.
Speaker 7: They believe in the firmament like the Bible, flatter everything,
Speaker 7: and they know all this stuff like the Holocaust, like
Speaker 7: the US and everything. So and the way that I've
Speaker 7: kind of like figured that out, I haven't really just
Speaker 7: like flat out said it to them, but we'll be
Speaker 7: talking and then maybe like like Okay. I was literally
Speaker 7: I think this was like a month or two ago.
Speaker 7: I was at this club and then I met some
Speaker 7: guys there, and then they were driving me back home,
Speaker 7: and then I was talking about this steroid it's called
Speaker 7: MK six seven seven, and then one of them was like, oh,
Speaker 7: like MK ultra, and I was like, what do you
Speaker 7: know about MK ultra? And then that kind of like
Speaker 7: led into the conversation about them like talking about all
Speaker 7: the stuff that they believe in, and then it'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 7: like I actually believe in that too. So whenever I
Speaker 7: kind of like discover other people that believe in this stuff,
Speaker 7: it'll it'll kind of just like happen by chance or coincidence,
Speaker 7: or maybe they'll, you know, they'll bring some sort of
Speaker 7: like smaller conspiracy theory up and then I'll work it
Speaker 7: up into like the larger stuff to kind of see
Speaker 7: what they believe in.
Speaker 6: So that's kind of how I do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a smart plan too, to bring it in
Speaker 5: through through other means. Isn't it also a bit of evidence?
Speaker 5: You wouldn't you say this is evidence just the way
Speaker 5: that it's been deemed to taboo that by the powers
Speaker 5: that be, like how is it that we can have
Speaker 5: a conversation with anybody in our family, any friend, you know,
Speaker 5: asking do you think the moon landing was faked? And
Speaker 5: they're not going to think twice about it. They're not
Speaker 5: going to look down upon you or anything else. But
Speaker 5: you know, if you bring up the flat earth, which
Speaker 5: is a flat was a direct correlation to that question,
Speaker 5: where you will be you know, just looked at as
Speaker 5: you know, what is wrong with you? Doesn't that isn't
Speaker 5: that evidence? Doesn't that go to show how much effort
Speaker 5: they put into this?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, it's crazy. They're trying to
Speaker 7: manipulate the whole you know, dynamic around it so people
Speaker 7: don't have open and free, like genuine discussion about it
Speaker 7: and can figure these things out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 5: You tell somebody we live on a flat plane and
Speaker 5: we're circled by an arctic wall that holds in an
Speaker 5: antarctic wall that holds in the water, you're crazy. But
Speaker 5: if you say we're spinning at one thousand miles an hour,
Speaker 5: we're circling the sun at sixty seven thousand miles an hour,
Speaker 5: or moving through the universe at four hundred and eighty
Speaker 5: three one thousand miles per hour.
Speaker 3: Well you're a smart guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then also the people that believe that they don't
Speaker 7: even know the numbers of the statistics or anything, and
Speaker 7: they're like a lot of you know, like I learned
Speaker 7: it in school. And then you bring up like the
Speaker 7: you know, I think it's like, what is it zero
Speaker 7: point eight inches per miles square? It's like supposed to
Speaker 7: be the curvature of the earth.
Speaker 6: Right, yep, uh huh, Yeah.
Speaker 7: You bring that up to them and then they'll be
Speaker 7: like they don't even know like the numbers or anything.
Speaker 7: And they're like like you've told them that, and then
Speaker 7: you show them like long distance photography and then I
Speaker 7: don't know, it's just they don't they're just so brainwashed
Speaker 7: and they just kind of school just completely just destroys
Speaker 7: their critical thinking skills, and they just they just do
Speaker 7: what they're told.
Speaker 6: It's just crazy. Yep.
Speaker 5: And if you do have this conversation with someone who
Speaker 5: is biblical, someone who follows Christ, I always like to
Speaker 5: let people know, don't remember the Book of John and
Speaker 5: Ephesians that it's clearly written that Satan is the prince
Speaker 5: of this world, which we've played several times on this
Speaker 5: podcast already people admitting that. And what is Satan's most
Speaker 5: powerful tool.
Speaker 3: It's to see. Simple, Yeah, plain and simple. It's to see.
Speaker 7: And then also I'm sorry y'all cover this on the
Speaker 7: podcast before, but just one of the one of the
Speaker 7: scriptures that is super like pro flatters in the Bible,
Speaker 7: there's really convincing to me, was where it says the
Speaker 7: earth takes form like like.
Speaker 6: Clay heel or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that one's pretty convincing because when you when you
Speaker 7: look at like a photo of what that looks like,
Speaker 7: you just look it up, it's like it literally looks
Speaker 7: like a flat plane with like you know, like a
Speaker 7: wall surrounding it.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Book of Joe Joe thirty eight fourteen. It has
Speaker 5: changed like clay under the seal, and its features stand
Speaker 5: out like a garment.
Speaker 3: Great stuff.
Speaker 5: Great, It's been an amazing interview. If there's anything else
Speaker 5: you wanted to touch on, that would be a great time.
Speaker 5: Otherwise I'll give you the final word.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, definitely has been a great interview.
Speaker 7: I don't think that there's really anything else I had online, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I really enjoy talking to you about the
Speaker 5: music side because a lot of people aren't aware or
Speaker 5: they've heard of them and never thought twice about it.
Speaker 5: But Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, and that the people who
Speaker 5: were presented to us high you know, as people we
Speaker 5: should admire and follow. In many cases we should be
Speaker 5: doing the exact opposite. And we have to remember what
Speaker 5: Psalms one eighteen eight says, trust in God, not in man,
Speaker 5: and that another thing that Satan does, other than deceive,
Speaker 5: is to bring out a form of idolatry. And people
Speaker 5: do follow these people, whether it was Elvis or led
Speaker 5: Zeppelin or the Beatles, it is a form of idolatry.
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Great stuff.
Speaker 5: Well, Austin, thank you so much for your time in
Speaker 5: joining us today. Wish you all the best in your
Speaker 5: future whatever you decide to do. If you'd like to
Speaker 5: reach out to Austin his email addresses in the show notes.
Speaker 5: God bless everyone. Thank you for your continued support of
Speaker 5: this podcast and for Austin.
Speaker 3: I'm George. God bless you all.
Speaker 5: I hope you have a wonderful a week and until
Speaker 5: we meet again, my friends, we will see that.
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