Speaker 1: Mac as I continue to advance an age as one does,
Speaker 1: right right, I've I've acquired certain tastes like I really
Speaker 1: enjoy lemon. Now I've spoken on the podcast about now
Speaker 1: loving cucumbers after being indifferent on them for so many
Speaker 1: numbers years cucumbers. Now have I morphed into a person
Speaker 1: that prefers the fall over the summer?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I think this is just your late to the party here,
Speaker 3: I and this is maybe a very new England thing.
Speaker 3: I would say a majority, maybe seventy to eighty percent
Speaker 3: of the people I know prefer fall over summer.
Speaker 1: Hey, over to ax. We just put over the pall.
Speaker 1: Tell us what's your favorite season? What's your favorite season?
Speaker 1: This is a seasonal podcast. Now.
Speaker 3: Now, don't get me wrong, I love golfing. It's my
Speaker 3: favorite thing in the world to do.
Speaker 1: You can golf in the fall, though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty much my only hobby. And summer is
Speaker 3: you know, golf season. However, after like three or four
Speaker 3: weeks of ninety degrees in humidity as we got, and
Speaker 3: in a lot of July hasn't been as hot in August,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of over it. Whereas in the fall or
Speaker 3: a crisp summer morning. I love it to be like
Speaker 3: sixty eight to seventy two. You know, I can wear
Speaker 3: shorts in a pullover or you know, pants in a
Speaker 3: long tea. I like that that that window right there,
Speaker 3: and you don't get it in summer, you get it
Speaker 3: in fall.
Speaker 1: I do like how we are morphing. Our podcast is
Speaker 1: also growing as we get older, into two white guys
Speaker 1: talking about the weather.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, is I think it is like
Speaker 3: an old guy thing. But I very in tune with
Speaker 3: the weather because also like my job sometimes it's very
Speaker 3: affected by the weather, Like if it's going to be
Speaker 3: a real scare, it's like, if there's gonna be thunderstorms,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be dealing with wires down a car accident.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I look at the weather more often
Speaker 3: than most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I because I do the Free Friday Flame WBZ.
Speaker 1: We still have three more. Come on out, guys, let's
Speaker 1: see some people at these free Friday flex We have
Speaker 1: Barbie next week, we have Ghostbusters Frozen Empire after that.
Speaker 1: But I'm constantly shot up. I am constantly looking at
Speaker 1: the weather and keeping track of the weather. And I
Speaker 1: think it was the humidity of July that really broke me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a brutal months, that's for sure. And
Speaker 3: this is I don't know what I would before because
Speaker 3: last summer there was so much rain that it almost
Speaker 3: like ruined the summer, like every weekend at rain extensively.
Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of weather and that most recent ghost,
Speaker 3: let's just.
Speaker 1: Talk about weather. I'm really into this. Now. Let's stop
Speaker 1: with the movie crap.
Speaker 3: Frozen Empire is on Netflix, and I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: I tried to watch it, and about forty minutes in
Speaker 3: I wish I had died via freezing to death like
Speaker 3: those people.
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this on the podcast. We didn't
Speaker 1: do a full episode on it. Maybe we'll add it
Speaker 1: to one of your or not one of your, but
Speaker 1: one of our What have you been watching lately? But
Speaker 1: I made the point of saying the entire movie should
Speaker 1: have been like the first ten minutes, just ride the
Speaker 1: ecdo one around New York and catch ghosts. It's that simple.
Speaker 3: Admittedly, the first like twenty thirty minutes, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this isn't as bad as I thought.
Speaker 2: It was gonna be, and then it immediately got back.
Speaker 1: How do you find a way to make Paul Rudd
Speaker 1: so Blandy.
Speaker 3: The first twenty thirty minutes were solid, and then it
Speaker 3: just kept going down and down.
Speaker 1: And I have watched the first ten minutes of that
Speaker 1: movie a hundred times. My son loves that scene. We
Speaker 1: watch it over and over again, and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is good ghostbusting fun.
Speaker 2: Swashbuckling fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't swashbuckle when you catch ghosts. You don't
Speaker 1: no spooky like you do spook buckle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like what I just did there. Let's edit that out.
Speaker 1: Go back, guys, what do you think you do when
Speaker 1: you catch ghosts?
Speaker 2: I feel like swashbuckling fits.
Speaker 1: You can't swashbuckle in the Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2: Also, I do opportunities swashbuckle anymore.
Speaker 1: By the way, I am just pushing off talking about
Speaker 1: the Acolyte as much as possible. I do. Like how
Speaker 1: in that Saturday Night trailer that just came out, we'll
Speaker 1: have it in our news dump at the top of
Speaker 1: next week. But the announcer there, Don Pardo, the guy
Speaker 1: playing Don Pardo. This is a movie about the first
Speaker 1: episode of Saturday Night Live in nineteen seventy five, and
Speaker 1: Don Pardo could not pronounce akroid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's an oddly spelled name.
Speaker 1: Yes. I also asked my mother, I said, why did
Speaker 1: people find Dan Akroyd funny? And she didn't have an
Speaker 1: answer for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could ask that, honestly about half of that
Speaker 3: original cast, although comedy was in a different place then.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But though it's like Chevy Chase and Dan Ackroyd are
Speaker 3: just obtuse, and I think that worked in nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 1: I think Chase still works. It was. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of what Chase did after SNL is still funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: That's more true than with Akroyd, But he's a gigantic dickhead,
Speaker 3: and it really ruined.
Speaker 1: Not acroy achoroid by all seems like a very nice.
Speaker 2: Oh no, Chase. Yeah, I'm talking about Chase now.
Speaker 3: It really like when I look back on stuff, you're like, man,
Speaker 3: he really is a fucking asshole.
Speaker 1: Huh Oh. I've heard stories of the set of Caddy
Speaker 1: Shack where if you weren't one of like those main
Speaker 1: five or six people, Jevy Chase just treated you like garbage.
Speaker 1: We don't treat our producers like garbage, even though they
Speaker 1: keep on giving us these saying get to the Acolyte,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, why why are we going to get
Speaker 1: to the acolyte? One?
Speaker 2: Good three?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Job three. King of Queen Marl Street.
Speaker 2: Entertained you and I am the Maccolyte.
Speaker 1: I just let you do that. I gave you a
Speaker 1: little bit of space, and I said, I hope he
Speaker 1: does this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is.
Speaker 1: Ye are you here to kill me? All?
Speaker 2: You OpEd it?
Speaker 3: I fucking sent it home, Send it in Jerome. Today
Speaker 3: we're talking about Goo's favorite television show series of all time. Yes,
Speaker 3: The Acolyte, the latest live action Star Wars entry on
Speaker 3: Disney Plus currently streaming. This was a TV fourteen and
Speaker 3: Goo get this Action adventure, drama, fantasy, mystery, sci fi,
Speaker 3: and thriller. This ran eight episodes, ranging between twenty seven
Speaker 3: and thirty six minutes. It came out to about a
Speaker 3: thirty three minute average, with the exception of the finale
Speaker 3: that was forty two minutes. That total two hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty six minutes of content, or four hours and twenty
Speaker 3: six minutes of content. If that's easier for you to understand, Goo,
Speaker 3: your hand was raising.
Speaker 1: My hand was raised. I didn't want to interrupt you
Speaker 1: if you were going back through those genres, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, way too many genres. You obviously have it
Speaker 1: in alphabetical order, but if you were putting it in
Speaker 1: relevance of you know what. The show leaned on most
Speaker 1: mystery and maybe a little too much.
Speaker 3: It had a lot of promise to start with, and
Speaker 3: we'll get into that in a few minutes.
Speaker 2: I was hoping that it was going to be a
Speaker 2: great mystery thriller.
Speaker 3: Type thing, but the cat was out of the bag
Speaker 3: almost immediately this show, and I think this is why
Speaker 3: a lot of people aren't liking it, at least on
Speaker 3: the internet, at least pretending.
Speaker 2: Not like it is.
Speaker 3: It really set itself up to be a great mystery
Speaker 3: thriller story and then by the end, like it just
Speaker 3: didn't quite get None of.
Speaker 1: The mysteries really pay off. And yeah, none of them
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of them add to the story,
Speaker 1: where like if you just told us at the beginning
Speaker 1: what this mystery was and just like let the characters
Speaker 1: develop with those as opposed to being like, oh, we'll
Speaker 1: tell you at the end of this episode and at
Speaker 1: the end of this episode, Like at the end of
Speaker 1: every episode, I think they had a cliffhanger. You don't
Speaker 1: need one every week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I also think that the action in like sci fi
Speaker 3: in this show was some of the best that Star
Speaker 3: Wars is.
Speaker 2: It legit had some.
Speaker 1: Great Let me ask you this is, how do you
Speaker 1: prefer your lightsaber? Because in this we kind of saw
Speaker 1: two different versions. We saw kind of like the really
Speaker 1: bright glowstick version, but we also saw like the remember
Speaker 1: in what is the first movie with Ray I'm blanking
Speaker 1: Force Awakens? Force Awakens when Ray and Kylo Wren are
Speaker 1: lightsaber to lightsaber and you can hear the lightsaber sizzle.
Speaker 1: We got a bit of that in this. Do you
Speaker 1: prefer the sizzling saber or the super bright glow lightsaber?
Speaker 2: I actually like.
Speaker 3: When the different types are featured and not everyone has
Speaker 3: the same type. I like that there's because, like in
Speaker 3: if you just try to relate it to actual swords,
Speaker 3: there's fucking hundreds of types of swords, and so it
Speaker 3: would be dumb if everyone had the exact same sword,
Speaker 3: because you know, as someone who would fight with swords,
Speaker 3: you would always be looking for advantage.
Speaker 1: As someone who does fight with swords, always.
Speaker 3: Be looking for like an edge or a customization that
Speaker 3: you give you an advantage. Yeah, so I like different
Speaker 3: types being featured. We also saw a light whip for
Speaker 3: the first time in Live Accident here, which I thought
Speaker 3: was pretty cool as well.
Speaker 1: Were people upset about that? I didn't read about what
Speaker 1: people were upset about, because I know no people were.
Speaker 3: Upset about that, And I think the strength of the
Speaker 3: show was clearly that sort of stuff, and it definitely
Speaker 3: fell short elsewhere. But the dialogue online has gotten so extreme,
Speaker 3: and we have talked about this hundreds of times before.
Speaker 3: The Star Wars fandom is so toxic you can't even
Speaker 3: really you have to go into these shows with like
Speaker 3: a blank slate because I have liked stuff they haven't liked.
Speaker 3: I have hated stuff they've loved. And that's just really
Speaker 3: what Star Wars has become at this point. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know a little bit of a tease before this episode,
Speaker 3: you talked about maybe you don't like Star Wars, And
Speaker 3: to me, this show had a lot of the essence
Speaker 3: of Star Wars, and that's why my mind was blown
Speaker 3: that a lot of people did.
Speaker 2: Not like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it has to do a bit with
Speaker 1: just people's vitriol towards it, and like putting certain movies
Speaker 1: on pedestals and everything else sucks even before seeing it.
Speaker 1: And then also I will say that these Disney show,
Speaker 1: these Disney series, outside of the Mandalorian stuff, they all
Speaker 1: just feel so Samesies to me, and they all feel
Speaker 1: bland and to the point of like, just make some
Speaker 1: movies again, put some effort into making movies.
Speaker 3: That's a good segue, right there, guz so on Roddy Cheese,
Speaker 3: this show has eighty percent from the critics, eighteen percent
Speaker 3: from the audience.
Speaker 2: On Metacritic, this has a sixty seven.
Speaker 3: In general, the critics have liked all of these Star
Speaker 3: Wars shows except for basically Boba Fett.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you heavy air, and not to jump ahead
Speaker 1: of you, but like the Mandalorian season three audience fifty percent,
Speaker 1: Boba fet audience forty nine percent, Obi Won sixty one percent,
Speaker 1: it's the same as those shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I liked it better than all of those,
Speaker 2: and I could.
Speaker 1: See that, but like, also I could see that maybe
Speaker 1: someone likes those a little bit more than this, Like
Speaker 1: there's no huge difference from what we've gotten in those
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that has.
Speaker 3: Been an issue with this these live action Star Wars shows,
Speaker 3: for sure, but also it is a bit of an
Speaker 3: issue with the fandom too of like expectations and wanting
Speaker 3: to see this, wanting to see.
Speaker 1: That, and also not stepping on what had been done
Speaker 1: in the past and going against Cannon or perceived Cannon.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I.
Speaker 3: Liked this show so much, and liked it, or at
Speaker 3: least started off higher going in because this show is
Speaker 3: set roughly one hundred years before anything we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Before, like before dinosaurs too right, and like.
Speaker 3: Clearly they were going to make connections, but I liked
Speaker 3: it was almost refreshing to have new characters not tied
Speaker 3: to any expectations.
Speaker 1: I think one of the issues that they actually had
Speaker 1: was shoehorning in characters that we know, not to spoil anything,
Speaker 1: not to say any of the characters' names, but like
Speaker 1: pushing in a couple of characters be like, hey, you
Speaker 1: know that guy right.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I also felt like the couple they alluded to and
Speaker 3: may or may not have shown it was fine the
Speaker 3: way they did it. You know, they weren't really a
Speaker 3: part of the show, but they were questions of who
Speaker 3: was lingering. But again, like the critics have generally liked
Speaker 3: all these shows, this was on the lower end, but
Speaker 3: they have They've all been roughly in the same tier.
Speaker 3: Minus season two of Mando, they have that a bit above. Obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, we haven't watched and Or. The folks give
Speaker 3: that a big thumbs up. And listen, if you say
Speaker 3: that's the best Star Wars show, fine, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: fight your.
Speaker 1: After seeing this, I now really want to watch and Or,
Speaker 1: because I've been told by a million people, by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm three episodes in, I'll get to it, but that
Speaker 1: it's so much different than all of these, and maybe
Speaker 1: that's what I need. I need something different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, maybe that's that's the case. So yeah, to
Speaker 3: talk about the other live action show. So we've had
Speaker 3: The Mandalorian, the Book of Boba, fett Obi Wan Kenobi,
Speaker 3: and Or and Ahsoka. The most recent one, of course
Speaker 3: was Ahsoka. You and I I like that a bit
Speaker 3: more than you, but we generally really enjoyed that. You
Speaker 3: obviously had a hard time connecting to him because you
Speaker 3: hadn't watched some of the animated stuff.
Speaker 2: That was sort of a prerequisite.
Speaker 3: But the Mandalorian season one ninety three percent, ninety two percent,
Speaker 3: seventy on Metacritic. People really enjoyed that. I honestly didn't
Speaker 3: care for it. A couple really strong episodes I gave that.
Speaker 3: I think originally like twenty six hot dogs. It went
Speaker 3: down to like twenty four to twenty five barely floats.
Speaker 3: Which season season one of what Mandalorian?
Speaker 1: You gave it? How many hot dogs?
Speaker 2: Originally I gave it twenty six. I believe Tory.
Speaker 1: I think you gave it like twenty eight or thirty.
Speaker 2: I didn't care for it.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Gave it thirty three. You enjoyed it quite a bit.
Speaker 3: And again, this has been my issue with the Mandalorian
Speaker 3: is there'll be two great episodes, but in between there's
Speaker 3: three or four bullshit episodes. And it's been that way
Speaker 3: for three seasons, and it really you really felt that
Speaker 3: in season three. Season two, other than the season of Ahsoka,
Speaker 3: I thought was the strongest live action things Star Wars
Speaker 3: has done. I gave it thirty four to thirty five.
Speaker 3: You were in the thirty six thirty seven range. Season three,
Speaker 3: I gave twenty four. You gave twenty nine that you
Speaker 3: didn't care for that. Boba Fet I gave twenty one,
Speaker 3: you gave twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Did I give twenty seven?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I did for the You want to know why I
Speaker 1: really liked the Mandalorian episodes of those seasons of that season, Yeah.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: That's the only reason why that wasn't like a ten
Speaker 3: for me was because of the Mandalorian influence. Obi Won
Speaker 3: just fell so flat sixteen for me, twenty from you,
Speaker 3: and that was literally just carried by two Darth Vader scenes.
Speaker 3: That show fucking sucked. That to me, that was worse
Speaker 3: than Boba fet because the little Leo just ruined everything.
Speaker 3: And or of course we haven't seen Ahsoka. I gave
Speaker 3: thirty seven, you gave thirty three to thirty four. So
Speaker 3: with that context, like, it's really hard for me to
Speaker 3: see why people hated on this show so much, considering
Speaker 3: the other shows didn't get hate.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of dig and discourse about it.
Speaker 3: This show getting so much shape makes no sense because
Speaker 3: to me, it's like, like this season is clearly like
Speaker 3: the third best season they've done.
Speaker 2: You might have it fourth or fifth, like, but not
Speaker 2: at the bottom.
Speaker 1: I have it in the window of just like it's
Speaker 1: with everything else. And it's not the first two seasons
Speaker 1: of The Mandalorian sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same tire. It's just about everything else. So that's
Speaker 3: why it blows my mind. It's gotten so much shape.
Speaker 3: Next up live action, by the way, is the Skeleton
Speaker 3: Crew that's coming at the beginning of December.
Speaker 2: That'll be pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: This show was created by Leslie Hedlund, who has an
Speaker 3: extensive resume of directing a bunch of TV stuff. She
Speaker 3: was also one of the creators and writers of Russian
Speaker 3: Doll along with Natasha Leona and Amy Poehler. So that's
Speaker 3: like a universally loved show. So you know, I didn't think, sorry,
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna sneeze.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you used your force powers to hold
Speaker 1: that sneeze in.
Speaker 2: I didn't think writing was a serious issue here.
Speaker 3: I thought like overarching stuff that she's probably not really
Speaker 3: in control of was a bit of an issue. And
Speaker 3: I also think the main actress was a little bit
Speaker 3: of an issue, which we'll get to in a few
Speaker 3: synopsis of this show, an investigation into a shocking crime
Speaker 3: spree pits a respected Jedi master against a dangerous warrior
Speaker 3: from his past. As more clues emerged. They traveled down
Speaker 3: a dark path where sinister forces reveal all is not
Speaker 3: what it seems. This show stars a Mandla that's right,
Speaker 3: Aia and d La Stenberg as Osha slash may On Asaya.
Speaker 1: That sounds like an issue that you would have say
Speaker 1: at a bar or a club, and the person's like,
Speaker 1: my name is Amandla and you're like Amanda, And this
Speaker 1: goes back and forth for roughly a half hour.
Speaker 2: I will say.
Speaker 3: About her, they asked her to do a lot, and
Speaker 3: I don't think she was really capable of conveying what
Speaker 3: they needed her too.
Speaker 2: She was fine.
Speaker 3: I just don't think she could convey the sinister or
Speaker 3: like mean parts well enough.
Speaker 2: It just didn't quite work.
Speaker 1: Call what she did poorly a violation.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're referring to. Ohsha ah, I
Speaker 2: hate you so much. I really don't like.
Speaker 1: She was on the top rung of a ladder. You
Speaker 1: can't do that. You gotta be on that second one.
Speaker 3: Lead Jung Jay is master soul. He was awesome and
Speaker 3: he also gw this is unbelievable. When he got this role,
Speaker 3: he did not speak English. He had four months to
Speaker 3: learn English before this show shot. So that's very impressive
Speaker 3: that he had that dedication and where I thought it'd
Speaker 3: even be able to do that.
Speaker 1: I both found his character to be interesting and then
Speaker 1: by the end boring.
Speaker 2: I could see that. I think he did a great
Speaker 2: job though, but I totally understand.
Speaker 1: Just tell the story.
Speaker 2: Many Jacinto as the Stranger aka Camie.
Speaker 1: She would sit on her hand.
Speaker 2: I thought he was.
Speaker 3: The best part of the show, and honestly, what hurt
Speaker 3: this show was not featuring him more. They he's the
Speaker 3: most fantastic moment of the season. He's front and center,
Speaker 3: and then he goes away essentially into the finale, and
Speaker 3: that was that was a bummer. One of the big
Speaker 3: players here is Rebecca Henderson as Vernic dea Rowe, who
Speaker 3: is sort of sol She's like one of the head Jedi.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know what her what her title is,
Speaker 3: but and what is she She's very green there green.
Speaker 1: That's how you can tell who she is. She's the
Speaker 1: green one.
Speaker 2: Some other ones in here.
Speaker 3: We had Charlie Bennett as your fand are Daphne Keen
Speaker 3: as Jackie Lawn, Judas Suotamo as Master kel Naka. That
Speaker 3: was the Wookie Jedi Uh, we were very teased by that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Leah laarn Brady played young May and young Osha. Jody
Speaker 3: Turner Smith his mother Anasaya. She did a great job
Speaker 3: in her three or four episodes. Dean Charles Chapman as Torbin.
Speaker 3: This was the meditating homie that was involved in the
Speaker 3: whole thing. Carrie Ann Moss's master in Dara, and Margarita
Speaker 3: Leviev was mother Coral, the other half of Anasea.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: In general, there it was an up and down ride
Speaker 3: with with the acting. But I also feel like Star
Speaker 3: Wars get so campy that sometimes it's intentional.
Speaker 1: I think we've also realized that it's not the children's
Speaker 1: faults that they're always so bad in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that you just need really good actors for
Speaker 1: this very poor dialogue for it to you know, come across.
Speaker 1: When you give it to a child, that's when it
Speaker 1: just sounds really bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was tough to double down on like the
Speaker 3: origin of everything with the second flashback episode here leaning
Speaker 3: so heavily on the children when clearly they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Be part I'm so sick of flashbacks. Just tell a
Speaker 1: linear story.
Speaker 2: I don't mind it.
Speaker 1: No Star Wars is so bad with flashbacks.
Speaker 2: I I there's a line they crossed it. They had
Speaker 2: too much of it.
Speaker 3: But also that was the whole premise of this show, right,
Speaker 3: was jumping back to that flash back of figuring out
Speaker 3: what truly happened. So I guess that's that's your issue
Speaker 3: with it in general. But again, this was set roughly
Speaker 3: one hundred years before a New Hope and introduces us
Speaker 3: to an entirely new cast of characters. Like that alone
Speaker 3: made it pretty interesting to me instead of having it
Speaker 3: fit into a specific spot, a specific two year window,
Speaker 3: and that part was refreshing. Essentially, the premise of this show,
Speaker 3: gu is that May is out to avenge the murder
Speaker 3: of her mother by a specific group of Jedi years
Speaker 3: ago that flashback. As the story starts unraveling, we learned
Speaker 3: that the Jedi present that day didn't exactly act in
Speaker 3: very Jedi like ways, And this is something I also
Speaker 3: really enjoyed the framing of the Jedi because it makes
Speaker 3: you question who the bad guys really were.
Speaker 1: I know that, so yes, But it's also something that
Speaker 1: we have now seen a million times. We get it.
Speaker 1: Jedi stink, no Jedi stink. We know Jedi alluded.
Speaker 3: To we haven't seen them doing things that we clearly
Speaker 3: had they had to do to get.
Speaker 2: To, like certain points of power or influence.
Speaker 3: So I was happy to finally see Star Wars Cannon
Speaker 3: throw the Jedi under.
Speaker 2: The bus a bit like that. That was nice to see.
Speaker 3: Again, take issue with what you want, but this show
Speaker 3: did stuff that no other shows have ever done, and
Speaker 3: I appreciated it for that. Now, it could have been better,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but like on a week to
Speaker 3: week basis, in the middle it got a little boring.
Speaker 2: But I enjoyed this viewing.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't love it, but like there was certain
Speaker 3: things in there that like really kept it going. First
Speaker 3: of all, Camire, the villain in this whole thing, he
Speaker 3: was awesome. His look was awesome. His lightsaber was awesome
Speaker 3: with the little baby attachment to it, that was sweet.
Speaker 1: Oh Ryan Airy on screen Crush pointed out that because
Speaker 1: obviously this is very influenced by Japanese culture, Japanese film,
Speaker 1: everything else, that might have been a nod to they
Speaker 1: would have little knives to kill themselves if they were caught.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, all right, I don't mind that.
Speaker 3: His whole look was clearly like Samurai influenced too, with
Speaker 3: like sleeveless, you know, he just looked badass. And there's
Speaker 3: there's about a twenty minute fight scene in the middle
Speaker 3: of this season that was fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 1: And watch it on YouTube. It's really all you need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: The the I know you're not as familiar with this,
Speaker 3: like with the Knight Sisters of Dathamir that are very
Speaker 3: present in the Clone Wars. I liked that they introduced
Speaker 3: new force sensitive people force users here that weren't Jedi,
Speaker 3: a new coven of force.
Speaker 1: Wine, which I don't care about that. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of people that did though, even outside of the
Speaker 1: animated stuff. We've seen witches on these shows, haven't.
Speaker 2: We Yeah, we're definitely getting into that more. We saw them.
Speaker 1: Also, Jedis are wizards.
Speaker 3: Yeah again I I the universe is vast and the
Speaker 3: forces everywhere, so they should be you know, introducing different
Speaker 3: force users instead of just Jedi and Sith. So I
Speaker 3: enjoyed that aspect, and I also enjoyed, you know, one
Speaker 3: of those groups would be trying to do something like
Speaker 3: this to advance their themselves in the universe type of thing,
Speaker 3: so that I had no issue with that, but the
Speaker 3: Internet had a massive issue with that. And I but
Speaker 3: I also think a lot of people watching these shows
Speaker 3: haven't watched the Clone Wars.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question, though, Mac, And this
Speaker 1: is really what hit me in that third episode, because
Speaker 1: I look at both of them as being terrible choices.
Speaker 1: Would you rather be a space witch or a Jedi?
Speaker 3: I want the lightsaber, so I'm gonna go Jedi. But
Speaker 3: it almost feels like Jedi are like they gotta be celibate,
Speaker 3: you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, They have to stunt their emotions.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like the fact that, you know, non Jedi can
Speaker 3: use the Force.
Speaker 1: In whatever way I say, the Force is still there
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I guess I could have a lightsaber and
Speaker 3: not be a Jedi too.
Speaker 1: That's entirely pop space, which is love and they have sex.
Speaker 2: Good. Let's get into the octagon. What do we gotta here?
Speaker 1: A million of these? Did you even put them all
Speaker 1: in there? Who knows? We were in charge of this episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: There you fun factor, and outside of a couple lightsaber battles,
Speaker 1: not enough.
Speaker 3: I would say episode one, episode five, and episode eight
Speaker 3: very fun.
Speaker 4: The in betweens lacked fun satisfactor. Were you satisfied by
Speaker 4: this show? I like them trying to introduce new stuff,
Speaker 4: but too much of it feels the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely lacked something incredibly satisfying at the end.
Speaker 3: I think the fight scenes are inherently satisfying, but when
Speaker 3: you're talking story and the way it wraps up, not
Speaker 3: all that satisfying.
Speaker 1: I also found every mystery, every like reveal in this
Speaker 1: to just be like, oh, like nothing was.
Speaker 2: Like, ah no, that's fair, that's definitely.
Speaker 1: Fair borometer, and by the end it was like pulling
Speaker 1: my nails out.
Speaker 3: They had a serious issue trying to get us to
Speaker 3: care about Osha and May, both story wise and with
Speaker 3: the actress.
Speaker 2: They both just didn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't written intriguing enough, she didn't act it good enough.
Speaker 3: And that that honestly is what pulls this show down
Speaker 3: is is leaning on that so much. And I know
Speaker 3: that was the premise of the show, but leaning into
Speaker 3: that so heavily and not giving us enough of like
Speaker 3: camee in that sith light type of stuff was a mistake.
Speaker 1: I think also by episode, like the midway through episode six,
Speaker 1: I was just like, Saul stinks like I'm I'm, I've
Speaker 1: I've lost all interest in Saul.
Speaker 2: I liked Saul.
Speaker 3: I feel like and this might be a mistake now
Speaker 3: being seeing how this was reviewed, but it felt like
Speaker 3: they were saving some of the stuff that I wanted
Speaker 3: to see for a season two And there's clearly a
Speaker 3: setup in the finale for a season.
Speaker 1: Two awquator below really yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty easily above For.
Speaker 1: Me, Halloween, will this show wane over time? For you?
Speaker 1: I am gonna forget about it.
Speaker 3: I rewatched episode five almost immediately after I watched the finale.
Speaker 3: There's some really cool shit in this season, but not
Speaker 3: really tied to the plot of the season. So watch
Speaker 3: episode five, maybe watch the finale. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: cool shit that happens in those two episodes.
Speaker 1: When life gives you plemings, you make plemonade. And for me,
Speaker 1: there was one scene I believe it was in episode eight,
Speaker 1: where a senator I don't know his name gave a
Speaker 1: speech about Jedi and how much they suck. I said,
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 3: Guy, all right, Yeah, I don't forget the name of
Speaker 3: that character, but he's been around for a bit too many.
Speaker 3: Jacinto made every scene he was in instantly more intriguing
Speaker 3: at the beginning, in the middle, and at the end.
Speaker 2: He was easily the best character on this show.
Speaker 1: Credit Union Mac, Who are you giving credit to?
Speaker 2: Lee?
Speaker 3: Young Jay was great? You didn't like him, I guess
Speaker 3: as Master Saul, But I thought it was an awesome.
Speaker 1: No, the character by the end. No, the actor learning
Speaker 1: English is incredible like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, credit fact here. The fact that he learned
Speaker 2: English for the role is pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, don't say the actor's name. I thought he
Speaker 1: did a good job. The character by the end was
Speaker 1: incredibly boring and just fair enough. This entire eight episodes
Speaker 1: is just a string of miscommunications. Guys, just have a
Speaker 1: conversation and we can.
Speaker 2: Figure this out.
Speaker 3: It's so he's got a reputation to uphold, right, and
Speaker 3: he didn't want it to get out what he had
Speaker 3: actually done, and it, you know, in the finale you
Speaker 3: learn exactly what happened. And it is interesting to see
Speaker 3: that the Jedi it's and it makes no sense if
Speaker 3: you frame it like in political terms of today, like
Speaker 3: clearly that would get covered up the way many things
Speaker 3: get covered up.
Speaker 2: And so I like that aspect of it.
Speaker 1: What do we got here? Pants ten City excite bike
Speaker 1: Mania And besides episode five, Mac, did anything get you going?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: There was two or three things in the finale that
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed as well. But it was also like
Speaker 3: a twenty five minute pants tent in episode five. Episode
Speaker 3: five was fucking incredible.
Speaker 1: Hot Dog, Hot hot dogs, Mac, what is your hot
Speaker 1: dog score?
Speaker 2: Nice? Nice work for us to harmonize there.
Speaker 1: Ye, dude, I was going low. I'm happy that you
Speaker 1: were up here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, I'm hip.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: This show starts off with a pretty intriguing premise and mystery,
Speaker 3: and although it doesn't deliver on that initial promise, it
Speaker 3: does deliver two or three great Star Wars moments, some
Speaker 3: of the best stuff we've seen in a long time.
Speaker 3: And there was just some great visuals and standout moments
Speaker 3: in this show. Even the worst Star Wars stuff still
Speaker 3: gives you some great visuals and stand out moments, so
Speaker 3: you gotta give it credit for that. Like even Kenobi
Speaker 3: had great stand up moments. The Last Jedi has like
Speaker 3: great stills, you know, so they always do a good
Speaker 3: job there. The most intriguing parts of the show, however,
Speaker 3: were It's villain came here and the Jedi being framed
Speaker 3: in a through a different lens. It was refreshing to
Speaker 3: see the Jedi portrayed that way. We've long known they've
Speaker 3: been into some shady shit. It was good to finally
Speaker 3: see stuff like that. Unfortunately, we just don't really care
Speaker 3: about that may Osha dynamic. We cared what the Jedi
Speaker 3: did involving them in regards to them. The show starts
Speaker 3: strong and ends strong, and you know, I'm a sucker
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 2: The book ends.
Speaker 1: Mac only cares about the endings when he's watching adult videos.
Speaker 1: He only watches the.
Speaker 2: End Well, it does.
Speaker 3: It leaves a better taste in your mouth when you
Speaker 3: start strong and end strong. And again in the middle.
Speaker 3: He did have episode five, but outside of that, they
Speaker 3: definitely missed the mark with the story along the way.
Speaker 3: They spent too much stock time on the wrong stuff,
Speaker 3: not enough time on the right stuff. It does seem, however,
Speaker 3: like they purposely left some of that intriguing stuff for
Speaker 3: season two. Who knows if we're ever gonna.
Speaker 1: That's the issue though, is like, are we gonna get
Speaker 1: a season two?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we may not.
Speaker 3: We may not, so that that obviously is a thumbs
Speaker 3: down for this show. But again, this show is so
Speaker 3: much better than those lazy schlocks of Boba, Fett and
Speaker 3: Kenobi that essentially built a show around like one or
Speaker 3: two moments, and those shows were incredibly boring.
Speaker 2: This to me, was much more intriguing even if you
Speaker 2: didn't like the.
Speaker 3: Results on a week to week basis, much more energized
Speaker 3: to watch it did it did have the inconsistency that
Speaker 3: all of these shows have had from episode to episode,
Speaker 3: with the ups and downs, and that it honestly reminds
Speaker 3: me of what season one in three of The Mandalorian
Speaker 3: did were Like they'd give you something cool and then
Speaker 3: they did just kind of go away from it from
Speaker 3: an episode or two, and that's that's just been an
Speaker 3: issue with Star Wars in general. So for me, like
Speaker 3: Ahsoka stands out above all of these shows because it
Speaker 3: kind of has to by default it it just has.
Speaker 3: Again you can say, Andrews at the top, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna argue with you over and or I'm just never
Speaker 3: gonna watch it when you talk about like Bob, Boba
Speaker 3: Fett and Kenobi, like compared to this show, the story
Speaker 3: in this show is plenty easy to follow. Maybe it
Speaker 3: didn't find it interesting, it was better than those two.
Speaker 3: I will take this over that dogshit any day of
Speaker 3: the week. That, like those shows, felt like backfield right,
Speaker 3: all right, we got Vader, we got this, we got
Speaker 3: this Boba fet moment, and then they just backfield shit.
Speaker 3: This was completely different. So I'll take this any day.
Speaker 3: I've got it at thirty hot dogs. This season of
Speaker 3: Star Wars might be the third best season of Live
Speaker 3: action Star Wars, behind Ahsoka and Mando season two. I
Speaker 3: think it's in the conversation with those other two Mandalorian seasons,
Speaker 3: but above Boba Fett and Kenobi for sure.
Speaker 1: So I watched this in bunches. I watched the five episodes,
Speaker 1: and then I watched the three episodes because Mac made
Speaker 1: me and I was perfectly fine. Like you know how
Speaker 1: some people watch just the first four seasons of Breaking Bad,
Speaker 1: and when Gus dies spoiler, they say, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is the perfect ending. I don't need to watch
Speaker 1: another season. I thought that episode five lightsabers fighting cool deaths.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is pretty good. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if I need any more. I'm I don't think I
Speaker 1: need any more to solving this mystery, because so far,
Speaker 1: every mystery on this show just hasn't been interesting, it
Speaker 1: hasn't given me, you know, a cool result. Everything's just
Speaker 1: been oh, all right, that's a decent little payoff, and
Speaker 1: everything in the last three episodes of answering the questions
Speaker 1: of how we got to this, it's just all right.
Speaker 1: I guess that's fine. And like I said, it's just
Speaker 1: a string of miscommunications, a string of needing cliffhangers at
Speaker 1: the end of every single episode. This would have been
Speaker 1: so much better as a two and a half hour,
Speaker 1: just tight movie. Tell the story, not need to have
Speaker 1: constant cliffhangers and mysteries. And I thought that they introduced
Speaker 1: the mystery and they solved it at kind of weird points,
Speaker 1: and it hurt, you know, developing may Or Osha, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't mind that character as much as you. I
Speaker 1: just thought that by the end, every character I didn't
Speaker 1: care about. I didn't care about the characters. I didn't
Speaker 1: care about the story. I think it might have been
Speaker 1: just the way that it was told. It didn't pull
Speaker 1: me in. None of these Jedi, outside of Saul, who
Speaker 1: then got on my nerves by the end, none of
Speaker 1: them really pulled me in. So I think it's a
Speaker 1: storytelling issue with Star Wars right now, and I don't
Speaker 1: think it's terrible. I don't think it's the worst thing
Speaker 1: Star Wars has ever done. I think it's just the
Speaker 1: same and I'm sick of the same. And like we
Speaker 1: talked about at the end of the last dump, I
Speaker 1: don't dislike Star Wars. I think I dislike what Star
Speaker 1: Wars is doing right now because they just keep on
Speaker 1: giving us the same thing over and over again, and
Speaker 1: I want something new, I want something fresh, and this,
Speaker 1: while they try and introduce some fresh stuff, by the end,
Speaker 1: just feels the same. Twenty three hot dogs.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: I think that's very fair review and read on the show,
Speaker 3: and I think there there's definitely more people that probably
Speaker 3: feel similar to you than than I.
Speaker 1: And that might not even be a review on the show.
Speaker 1: It's just a review of like where.
Speaker 3: Star Yeah, the overatching stuff. Here's my thing on it,
Speaker 3: and I I feel like you should make a promise
Speaker 3: to me here that in the next six months.
Speaker 1: Make me say something.
Speaker 2: I think you should watch the Clone Wars.
Speaker 1: And Rebels I'm watching and or first Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if.
Speaker 3: I would do that, because that's not as tied. That
Speaker 3: is specifically just tied into rogue one?
Speaker 1: Can we can we make a new segment on the
Speaker 1: show where we make each other promise things.
Speaker 3: A lot of the themes and things Star Wars does,
Speaker 3: they've been doing for a long time. You need, you
Speaker 3: just need to watch Clone Wars and Rebels, you really do.
Speaker 3: And it's I think it'll give you a more and
Speaker 3: actually might turn you off more to Star Wars to
Speaker 3: be honest, it's like a lot of these.
Speaker 1: Shows, are you willing to take that gamble?
Speaker 3: A lot of these shows do the same thing that
Speaker 3: especially Clone Wars does, where it's a real roller coaster
Speaker 3: ride where they get distracted by shit that the audience
Speaker 3: doesn't really care about. And every one of these shows
Speaker 3: has essentially done that. And again, you know our great
Speaker 3: Lord and Overseer Dave Filoni. Everyone loves to bow down
Speaker 3: to him. He's ultimately in charge of all of this stuff,
Speaker 3: whether his name's on it or not, he gets final
Speaker 3: sign off, and people pretend that he doesn't. And his
Speaker 3: it's a Dave felony issue because he's so crazy. He's
Speaker 3: an encyclopedia of Star Wars Wikipedia. He wants to go
Speaker 3: down these paths for really no reason other than rounding
Speaker 3: out seeing d list characters that we don't care about.
Speaker 3: But he has to do it in his head, and
Speaker 3: I think it hurts just about every show he's attached to.
Speaker 3: It's just the way he does things, and he's been
Speaker 3: doing that. He did it all through the Clone Wars
Speaker 3: and and I think there is a conversation to be
Speaker 3: had overall about Star Wars in the direction and what
Speaker 3: they're doing. And I know they handed the keys to Felony,
Speaker 3: and Kathleen Kennedy has less of an influence now, but
Speaker 3: Dave Filoni's always been overseeing this stuff and has been
Speaker 3: for twenty years now, so you kind of all draw
Speaker 3: the lines back to Felony.
Speaker 2: So I think he needs a O guy. And again it.
Speaker 3: Seems like and sort of what you're saying, do is
Speaker 3: you have the same gripes and criticisms with every one
Speaker 3: of these Star Wars properties, and I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 3: So it's almost like like it's hard to be upset
Speaker 3: with these shows when you know it's one guy calling
Speaker 3: the shots behind the scenes and connecting everything.
Speaker 1: No, but then it's also someone saying like this needs
Speaker 1: to try and hit with the mass audience. We're putting
Speaker 1: this on Disney Plus. This needs to get subscribers or
Speaker 1: keep subscribers, especially with Disney Plus going up and up
Speaker 1: in its fucking cost.
Speaker 2: That is certainly a part of it, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: But again we talk about it all the time with
Speaker 3: Marvel and Kevin Figi when they when they've been kind
Speaker 3: of fluttering here, treading water for the last couple of years,
Speaker 3: we point the finger of Figy really and no one else,
Speaker 3: And so Felony should get the same ups and downs
Speaker 3: that Figi does. And it's weird that no one ever
Speaker 3: criticizes felony.
Speaker 1: What I want to happen, and you know what, anything
Speaker 1: is possible. As Kevin Garnett once told us, is I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they pay George Lucas a heaping,
Speaker 1: stinky pile of money to make something and they say,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll have some oversight, we'll let you mostly do
Speaker 1: what you want me do want final say, it's still ours,
Speaker 1: but we'll give you a lot of money to make
Speaker 1: a star war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but doo, the last time that happened, we got
Speaker 2: the Phantom Menace. We don't want that.
Speaker 1: That was not the last time. No, the last time
Speaker 1: that happened. We got Revenge of the Sith, and I
Speaker 1: like that movie.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I'm saying at the outset, we got Phantom Menace.
Speaker 2: The way it finished was it's good.
Speaker 3: But again, that's another one that they're going back and backfilling,
Speaker 3: filling and stuff from characters we already knew and needed
Speaker 3: more backstory. I would rather them venture off and do
Speaker 3: new stuff.
Speaker 1: What if George Lucas is able to buy Star Wars
Speaker 1: back for a dollar and then he gets to then
Speaker 1: take over the company again, And I think.
Speaker 3: I think that's why the Ahsoka show is so intriguing,
Speaker 3: is because they're ahead of all that stuff and going
Speaker 3: forward and getting into new shit we've never done before.
Speaker 3: So maybe maybe that's and maybe that's where Filoni will
Speaker 3: get out of his own way. And because he doesn't
Speaker 3: have to try to, you know, prop up trilogy, he
Speaker 3: can just do his own thing.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the answer, but who knows. I think basically.
Speaker 3: We're both saying as Star Wars has an overarching issue
Speaker 3: and we don't know how they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Solve it, and we also don't know how to solve
Speaker 1: it because we're idiots. Yes, yes, Max should we spoil
Speaker 1: Spili spoiler. My favorite scene from the show is after
Speaker 1: all those Jedi get murder or just straight up murdered,
Speaker 1: Osha goes over to the sign and flips it from
Speaker 1: five hundred days without a Jedi death and it goes
Speaker 1: back to zero.
Speaker 2: Goo.
Speaker 3: One of the big reveals in this show, or one
Speaker 3: of the the main thing that this show is really doing,
Speaker 3: is showing that May and Osha were created through the
Speaker 3: Force by Mother Anaseya in a very similar fashion I
Speaker 3: supposed that Anakin was. And it almost leads you down
Speaker 3: a path to show you this is maybe where Palpatine
Speaker 3: got that idea, where Darth Plagis got that idea of
Speaker 3: Palpatine's master who we get a little sneak peek at
Speaker 3: in the finale here, and it almost seems like the
Speaker 3: show was just doing that, And so that's hurt.
Speaker 1: That just a show that like, oh, this has happened
Speaker 1: in the past. But if you look at it, Anakin
Speaker 1: comes out as that one person and has both sides
Speaker 1: to them as opposed to this is a character that
Speaker 1: is one person but is split into two, and they don't,
Speaker 1: I mean, they do have the duality to them. It's
Speaker 1: i know, I've seen everyone compare it to a Yin
Speaker 1: Yang sign where yeah, the white and the black and
Speaker 1: then the colors bleed into each other. Oh what the
Speaker 1: ying ying? Oh thank you? Also, she is both of
Speaker 1: them very high m count. I like how they were
Speaker 1: afraid to say medichlorian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it does also lead you to believe that
Speaker 3: because they had such an issue keeping these two together,
Speaker 3: you know, this whole diad thing that we talked about
Speaker 3: a little bit in the Newest trilogy, that's why maybe
Speaker 3: Anakin stays as one when they make Anakin, because it
Speaker 3: didn't work keeping them separate here. So that's that's obviously,
Speaker 3: And I understand people having issues with that, and I
Speaker 3: just didn't care a ton about that, Like that doesn't
Speaker 3: bother me. This is again something Star Wars always does,
Speaker 3: at least in the last twenty years, is a lot
Speaker 3: of the things they create will tie back into something
Speaker 3: from shit we've seen before the mid season reveal. Really
Speaker 3: here was that Camire the Stranger that we see at
Speaker 3: the beginning. It was the guy under the mask. He's
Speaker 3: our like pseudo sith villain the good. A good percentage
Speaker 3: of the internet had sniffed that out, so that wasn't
Speaker 3: very surprising to me.
Speaker 2: I spent too much time on Reddit and YouTube these.
Speaker 1: I also thought it was so obvious that they wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get I guess maybe who else.
Speaker 1: Would it be? It would either be him or one
Speaker 1: of the Jedi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people thought it was Saul as well,
Speaker 3: so that that was an interesting I the reveal was
Speaker 3: fine to me. It didn't It didn't blow my cock off.
Speaker 3: I didn't get upset about it. Some finale stuff gou
Speaker 3: we see Osha force chokes, saw the death. Something in
Speaker 3: the moment, the way she acted it didn't quite hit
Speaker 3: for me. I thought it was a cool idea, just
Speaker 3: didn't quite hit. What was fucking cool, though, is as
Speaker 3: she's forced choking him to death using the Dark Side,
Speaker 3: she bleeds the broken Kyber crystal from the lightsaber in her.
Speaker 3: We had never seen anything like that before, and then
Speaker 3: when she activates the lightsaber moments later, it goes from
Speaker 3: blue to red. Fucking really cool moment. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: can question why things go that way, but.
Speaker 1: I had to like that. No, it is when you
Speaker 1: hold a Kiber crystal and it takes on who you are.
Speaker 1: It then flips, you know, once they get.
Speaker 3: Red sabers as they bleed the crystals, there is a
Speaker 3: thing to be brought up about what's supposed to be
Speaker 3: your own Kiber crystal.
Speaker 2: But we've seen many times.
Speaker 3: Before people take other people's lightsabers and therefore their crystals,
Speaker 3: So again didn't bother me.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a cool moment.
Speaker 1: They'd be a cool I think they could do it
Speaker 1: on like Robot Chicken in their fifteenth Star Wars episode
Speaker 1: of Darth Vader choking someone like forest choking someone and
Speaker 1: then someone goes, WHOA, did you just make that up?
Speaker 1: And he looks around like, you know, to make sure
Speaker 1: that Osha or May isn't there, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I made it up. No one's ever done this before.
Speaker 3: The biggest thing they seem to be teasing going forward
Speaker 3: and during this season was that Vernessa Uh was Camille's
Speaker 3: master Camiir was Vernestra's padawan, and we saw an episode
Speaker 3: six those whip marks on his back and we see
Speaker 3: she has the light whip, and then in the finale
Speaker 3: we see they connect real quick because his mask is off.
Speaker 3: So that's really intriguing because we don't really get much
Speaker 3: about Vernestra and she seems like she might feel a
Speaker 3: little underhanded as well. So that dynamic was way more
Speaker 3: interesting than the Oosha May and Saw stuff. That's the
Speaker 3: stuff I was like more intrigued by. And it seemed
Speaker 3: like they were setting up for a season two. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I don't know if we if we ever get that.
Speaker 3: We also see towards the end of this season Camire
Speaker 3: wipes May's mind. That seemed like it was two weeks.
Speaker 1: Oh he had one of those men in black things.
Speaker 2: But also I was thinking about it.
Speaker 3: I suppose if someone is willing to get their mind wipe,
Speaker 3: that makes it much easier as well.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I didn't, I didn't that.
Speaker 1: Also that plays into in the Phantom Menace when they're
Speaker 1: all sitting around being like, there hasn't been a Sith
Speaker 1: for a thousand years. That's because no one knows what happened.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a big thing here.
Speaker 3: Gu A lot of people were talking about Dialogue and
Speaker 3: the Phantom Menace surrounding the Scyth. Anyone that interacted with
Speaker 3: the Syth in this show was not around one hundred.
Speaker 1: Years either dead or see that, or they are trying
Speaker 1: to cover things up.
Speaker 3: Yes, that blew my mind when people were so turned
Speaker 3: off by that fucking thing, like anyone that interacted with
Speaker 3: this syth did not, Yeah, they weren't. That was just
Speaker 3: that was the dumbest criticism on the internet.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 3: One of the biggest things or biggest ramifications going forward
Speaker 3: or into the Star Wars universe here was the reveal
Speaker 3: that Darth Plagus is kind of pulling the strings. Yeah,
Speaker 3: with Camire, we just see him briefly peek out of
Speaker 3: the cave there on whatever planet Camie was on. And
Speaker 3: the only things I know about Darth Plagas, and there
Speaker 3: are people that know way more out there than me.
Speaker 3: Number One, Darth Tenebris was his master. That's another name
Speaker 3: I know. I don't know much about. Those are two
Speaker 3: people in some of the books that people have been
Speaker 3: wanting to see for a long time and live action. Additionally,
Speaker 3: Plagas was Palpatine's master, so there's a lot of Plagas
Speaker 3: Palpatine stuff out there that people have been wanting to
Speaker 3: see or want explained. He's also part of the reason
Speaker 3: that Palpatine ended up in such a political power position,
Speaker 3: So there's there's something to be there's a story you
Speaker 3: can tell there this essence transfer that we see in
Speaker 3: the Rise of Skywalker when they're like, somehow Palpatine returned,
Speaker 3: that's actually something he learned from darths Pleegas. So there's
Speaker 3: like a whole thing there.
Speaker 2: That's like, you know that exists.
Speaker 3: I guess the bad backs these two or three seasons
Speaker 3: have gotten into some of that force cloning stuff, which
Speaker 3: again goes back to a lot of their shows are
Speaker 3: trying to explain stuff from the trilogies. And then finally
Speaker 3: gou and it's basically a mid credit. But at the
Speaker 3: end of this season we see the back of Yoda's
Speaker 3: head and we learned that he was Vernestra's master. He's
Speaker 3: around and obviously plays in all of the future Star
Speaker 3: Wars stuff. But important to note, Vernestra tells him nothing
Speaker 3: about what happened on that planet, tells him nothing about Sith,
Speaker 3: so again, no one knows that the Sith are operating
Speaker 3: underneath everything.
Speaker 1: But also I could see her telling him and him
Speaker 1: being like, we're not gonna tell anybody.
Speaker 2: Sure, because that is a little shifty.
Speaker 1: Yoda doesn't he doesn't play by the rules.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, totally agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there. Twenty two, twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it Like thirty makes sense to me,
Speaker 3: like had some Wow's story wasn't great. I enjoyed watching
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: Let's get into Maxack and mac Sack could be that.
Speaker 1: It could be a bout what.
Speaker 2: You try this, you try that? That's what said nothing.
Speaker 1: I think, so.
Speaker 2: All right you let's put you every.
Speaker 1: Day, okay and mac sak this week is I think
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Speaker 1: Bar asked us, uh, if we have ever had bats
Speaker 1: in our attic? I think, referring to the fact that
Speaker 1: maybe he had had a bat in his attic and
Speaker 1: I had told him, let's see here, have you ever
Speaker 1: had a bat in your house? Those suckers are freaky?
Speaker 1: I agree. While cleaning my attic out maybe two summers ago,
Speaker 1: I opened a box and there was a dead bat
Speaker 1: in my attic. I then looked to move. Bats freak
Speaker 1: me out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, doing pest control for a decade, I have
Speaker 3: run into these sort of scenarios. And also, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: being a firefighter, occasionally we'll get calls.
Speaker 1: For like a bat in the house, calls from bats.
Speaker 3: SWAT's been a couple of times where you're in a
Speaker 3: house fucking swatting at a bat batch or gross.
Speaker 2: They're gross.
Speaker 3: They are essentially rats with wings or mice with however
Speaker 3: you want to look at it. Yeah, I wouldn't want
Speaker 3: them in my house. They're actually pretty harmless and they
Speaker 3: eat mosquitoes.
Speaker 2: But I get why people wouldn't want them in their domain.
Speaker 2: They are gross looking.
Speaker 3: They're probably pretty gross in general, but they do eat
Speaker 3: mosquitos and such, so they are important to the ecosystem.
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid of them, knowing what they are though,
Speaker 3: Like they're harmless to humans, they're afraid of humans.
Speaker 1: They're just gross. They're fucking gross.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're creepy looking.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you for your uh give me your
Speaker 1: Goo's Juicy six pack and try and rank them of
Speaker 1: the vermin that you do not want to find in
Speaker 1: your house.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's it's tough to say, like because some people are
Speaker 3: like afraid of spiders, but like, spiders are.
Speaker 2: Eating the other shit, they're eating the insects. They kind
Speaker 2: of want spis.
Speaker 1: Okay, so spiders are off your list, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Yes, spiders are our friends.
Speaker 1: I am asking for your personal preference of just disgusting
Speaker 1: outside stuff that you don't want inside.
Speaker 2: Well, like rats I.
Speaker 3: Think are the worst because they're they're larger than anything else,
Speaker 3: you know. Okay, actually squirrels are the worst.
Speaker 1: Whoa, that's a hot take right.
Speaker 3: There, because squirrel like it's relatively easy to get rid
Speaker 3: of the rats. The squirrels will fight back into like
Speaker 3: whatever hole they were getting into, and like sometimes if
Speaker 3: there's babies inside too, they'll just tear up the wood.
Speaker 2: The rats are.
Speaker 3: Somewhat capable of that, but it's easier to kill rats
Speaker 3: than it is squirrels. And also legally you can use
Speaker 3: more stuff with rats than you can with squirrels. Squirrels
Speaker 3: you can't just fucking like throw bait and try to
Speaker 3: kill them that way. Squirrels you gotta use what are
Speaker 3: called like one ra doors oh so they can get
Speaker 3: out and knock get back in, or you can trap them.
Speaker 3: Squirrels are probably the biggest nightmare to deal with.
Speaker 1: You can't kill squirrels.
Speaker 2: Uh No, when you catch them, you're supposed to kill them.
Speaker 1: But you can't like chase them with a bat or something.
Speaker 3: Well, you could if you want, it's a hard do
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck you want with the squirrel. As a
Speaker 3: licensed person, you can only do certain things, whereas, like
Speaker 3: with rats you can set up bait stations and shit
Speaker 3: like that. Not allowed to do that type of stuff
Speaker 3: with squirrels. Also, squirrels are like are up so that
Speaker 3: there's a heights thing involved too, Like it's just a
Speaker 3: whole different.
Speaker 1: Game beyond squirrels. Because now you have really grabbed my
Speaker 1: attention here because I fucking hate rats. But yeah, squirrels, okay,
Speaker 1: So what else that's might be.
Speaker 3: Second hardest to get rid of sometimes, So a lot
Speaker 3: of the old homes in this region have slate roofs,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you know anything about slate
Speaker 3: roofing going, there's all sorts of little spaces under the slates,
Speaker 3: and ba's are small enough that they can get under
Speaker 3: there sometimes, so the whole is under the slate roofing,
Speaker 3: but you can't find it in slate roofing. So a
Speaker 3: lot of times you just like try to catch them inside,
Speaker 3: and that can be a nightmare. If you can't find
Speaker 3: the penetration into the home, nice, you're not gonna be
Speaker 3: able to get rid of them.
Speaker 1: Basically, well, skunks are raccoons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so, that's like more wildlife, and there is
Speaker 3: a distinction between wildlife and pest control.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure skunks are terrible, but you can trap
Speaker 2: skunks pretty easily. Raccoons same same idea.
Speaker 3: Raccoons are much smarter and they have opposable thumbs, so
Speaker 3: they can they can open things. So maybe maybe raccoons
Speaker 3: would be second behind squirrels. I don't have much experience
Speaker 3: with like raccoons or skunks. There are ways, so there
Speaker 3: is like green ways to try to get rid of those.
Speaker 3: Like a known predator such as a fox, you can
Speaker 3: buy you put.
Speaker 1: A fox in your house.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, oh, you use the fox to your advantage.
Speaker 3: They sell fox urine on the internet at hardware stories
Speaker 3: and you can put that spray that in areas where
Speaker 3: you might find raccoons or skunks, and as a known predator,
Speaker 3: they'll just usually vacate the premises.
Speaker 1: Because I thought what you were getting at. So I
Speaker 1: live in an area that is filled with fucking rats,
Speaker 1: lots of rats. City. We used to have tons of
Speaker 1: skunks and raccoons in the area. They would get at
Speaker 1: the rats. We don't have those skunks and raccoons anymore.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking, we drop skunks and raccoons, we
Speaker 1: have them get the rats. But then what I thought
Speaker 1: you were getting at is we then drop a bunch
Speaker 1: of fox in there to get rid of those guys.
Speaker 1: What will we then get for the fox.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because then you'd have foxes maybe going after house cats.
Speaker 3: So then you just get coyotes made to go after
Speaker 3: the foxes.
Speaker 1: But then what do we get for the coyote?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a never it's catch twenty two. It's
Speaker 2: a vicious circle.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think we it's a giant thing of
Speaker 1: like you know how like sometimes when you get to
Speaker 1: like the biggest animal, then like the smallest one can
Speaker 1: kill it, like mosquitoes.
Speaker 2: There you go, and then we need the bats again
Speaker 2: to take as.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're starting it all over again. It's as
Speaker 1: if we need an ecosystem.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen.
Speaker 3: The stats about when Yellowstone introd introduced a wolf pack
Speaker 3: in like nineteen ninety two and bring it on completely,
Speaker 3: So I believe it's ninety two early mid nineties, Yellowstone
Speaker 3: introduced seven wolves to the park and it fundamentally changed
Speaker 3: the ecosystem for the better. Because you need to have
Speaker 3: a proper ecosystem. You need that proper pecking order.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a man.
Speaker 3: I don't know the specifics of it, but for those
Speaker 3: of you who did don't know anything about it, look
Speaker 3: up the effect that the wolf pack has had on
Speaker 3: Yellowstone National Park.
Speaker 1: Oh, we also saw so a wolf? What is six
Speaker 1: foot four one and sixty pounds? Is that what West
Speaker 1: showed us? Uh?
Speaker 3: The biggest wolves on the planet, or get to like
Speaker 3: a one seventy five in that range?
Speaker 1: Just fucking pure muscle too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've still got one hundred pounds on those things.
Speaker 1: So you think that you could beat the biggest wolf
Speaker 1: in the world, You think you could beat them up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I could even fight or flight. I
Speaker 1: don't think I could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're talking two different weight classes here. We're
Speaker 3: also talking about someone who's afraid of bats and someone who's.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no ah, you stop right there.
Speaker 1: I don't like smaller insects animals because they're tougher to hit.
Speaker 1: A wolf is fairly big. I could probably Let me
Speaker 1: get right now.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question here. If you see
Speaker 3: an off the least dog coming your way, what are
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 1: What kind of dog?
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter? Seventy pound dog?
Speaker 1: Is it coming to attack me? Or is it coming out?
Speaker 1: I'm probably just gonna stand there, Okay, I would if
Speaker 1: I'm with my four year olds on him, I'll pick
Speaker 1: him up and I'll hold him and then I'll do,
Speaker 1: like what am I gonna do? Fucking run away like.
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of people would. And that's the that's the
Speaker 2: wrong thing to do.
Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta make yourself big and almost come
Speaker 3: at it, and then it's gonna think twice.
Speaker 2: Wolves are dogs, dude. Wolves are the same fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Wolves are not the same thing.
Speaker 3: They have a killer instinct more than a domestic dog, obviously,
Speaker 3: but also wolves do not know how to take something
Speaker 3: down by themselves. They have a pack mentality. Their whole
Speaker 3: thing is predicated on packs. If you isolated a wolf,
Speaker 3: it would dive to a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Like I think the fox is the perfect size for
Speaker 1: me to attack, Like it's not just small, yeah, so
Speaker 1: like it's small, but.
Speaker 2: I get like twenty to forty pounds for a fox.
Speaker 1: Right, so if it's running at me, and say, if
Speaker 1: I have some steel toe boots on, like I often
Speaker 1: do punt it.
Speaker 2: It's like fox. And then next up is coyotes.
Speaker 1: I think I could do a coyote kitos like what
Speaker 1: you seventy five pounds?
Speaker 2: No, the I bet a big coyotes fifty to.
Speaker 1: Sixty And those are fucking mangy.
Speaker 3: They mangy looking, that's for sure. Yeah that wolves definitely
Speaker 3: look more, more majestic and more killer than coyotes do.
Speaker 3: But there's also a massive side.
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Speaker 1: maybe it be nice.
Speaker 2: I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: It hurts my feelings.
Speaker 2: So here's a question. If the wolf is mean to you,
Speaker 2: the would the wolf beat you?
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say I would prefer a bat
Speaker 1: in my attic than a negative comment. All right, tell
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Speaker 2: I think should be clear too with the folks at home.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're five to four one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty pounds, oh here, maybe maybe you don't want to
Speaker 3: fight a wolf when you're six.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not telling anyone here to fight a wolf.
Speaker 3: When you're six foot, two hundred and seventy pounds. It's
Speaker 3: easier to take on a fucking wolf.
Speaker 1: I am five ten and a half. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to lie and say five eleven and I weigh Let's
Speaker 1: say right now, let's just say one seventy. That's a lie.
Speaker 1: Why what do you think I weigh?
Speaker 2: I'd say one eighty five.
Speaker 1: I haven't weighed one eighty five and like, well a
Speaker 1: little bit during the pandemic, but that those years don't count.
Speaker 3: I will say, at Rafi's birthday party of the day,
Speaker 3: you were looking pretty slim, so credit to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: But now, like now, the wolf has a bigger chance
Speaker 2: of gett yet.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is I have to put on
Speaker 1: some weight to fight the wolf.
Speaker 3: If hypothetically I would, yeah, I get back to that
Speaker 3: two hundred pounds range in your pandemic weight.
Speaker 1: Like I haven't scaled up in a while, I might
Speaker 1: weigh closer to one sixty.
Speaker 3: Also, credit to me, I'm down about twenty five pounds.
Speaker 3: So I'm going the opposite direction as well.
Speaker 1: Should I have pointed that out as opposed to having
Speaker 1: you point that out. You know some people don't want
Speaker 1: to compliment themselves. I was going to say that you
Speaker 1: look you'll look great, Mac.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks u.
Speaker 3: Another twenty I'll feel pretty good about myself right now,
Speaker 3: just in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: It's a grind, but.
Speaker 1: If you lose another twenty, would you lose an edge
Speaker 1: on the wolf.
Speaker 3: No, I think there's a certain point where like it's
Speaker 3: just I'd say, like so to twenty to two forty,
Speaker 3: that's like a range that the wolf's just gonna have
Speaker 3: an issue with.
Speaker 2: Around two hundred and belower, maybe they can handle. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Imagine going to a place like Awake in one eighty,
Speaker 1: who does amazing work, and you say I want to
Speaker 1: lose this much weight, and they say, oh, well, I
Speaker 1: think you could push that even further, And then you
Speaker 1: say I would lose my advantage over the wolf.
Speaker 3: I'd be susceptible to a wolf attack under two twenty.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna stick there.
Speaker 1: All right. Tuesdays or Goose Days. I abuse kangaroos.
Speaker 3: By Please flip the cassette over to side B to
Speaker 3: continue the adventure.
Speaker 1: Now it's time for girls jumping on trampolines.