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<v Speaker 1>The second hour of a Tuesday show. I'm Mandy Connell.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got Zack Seegers in with me today for Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Rodriguez and joining us now.

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<v Speaker 1>He's our futurist Thomas Fry.

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<v Speaker 2>And Thomas you sent me stories about two things that

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<v Speaker 2>I am the most excited about. And this is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>sound dumb, because when I'm about roadways, right, but I

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<v Speaker 2>read that there's a road in either China or Japan

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<v Speaker 2>where the road itself is on almost like little springs,

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<v Speaker 2>right at little tiny springs, and when a car drives

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<v Speaker 2>over it, the spring bounces and they use that energy

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<v Speaker 2>to create power, right, And I'm fascinated by this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like the coolest thing ever because now we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>different ways to integrate how we power our world and

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<v Speaker 2>create more power in a way that has almost no impact,

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<v Speaker 2>right because we're already going to drive on that road,

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<v Speaker 2>but of course it's prohibitively expensive, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>But today you.

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<v Speaker 2>Send me an article about something that is happening in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States of America, which, honestly, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to be the thing that finally tips

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<v Speaker 2>the scales in favor of electric vehicles, and that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of what your article's about.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're right there.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a test run in Florida, four and a

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<v Speaker 4>half mile stretcher.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to embed.

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<v Speaker 4>Induction coils into the Interstate Highway and then as cars

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<v Speaker 4>drive over it, they will recharge themselves as they go. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>this becomes really important if you start doing it nationwide.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you think about the interstate system when it

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<v Speaker 4>got built, it was built in nineteen fifty six because

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<v Speaker 4>of something General eisenawer As signed as president.

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<v Speaker 3>This was to improve the defense system for the country.

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<v Speaker 4>And so over the next few years it just built

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<v Speaker 4>interstates all over the con It'll be something like that

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<v Speaker 4>where they build this charging system inside of the highways

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<v Speaker 4>and build it all over the country, and then you

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<v Speaker 4>have electric trucks or electric garbies and electric cars driving

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<v Speaker 4>down the road and they charge themselves as they go.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the real potential here is that my big

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<v Speaker 2>hang up. I'll be perfectly honest, and this is so irrational.

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<v Speaker 2>Even as I'm about to say this, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>for the way I drive and the way that I

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<v Speaker 2>utilize my automobile, this concern for me is a complete idiocy, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but range anxiety, that is the number one reason that

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<v Speaker 2>people don't want to buy fully electric car. They're like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to get out on the road, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in Colorado where we've got really cold weather. Sometimes we've

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<v Speaker 2>got high mountain air that you know, it does wreak

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<v Speaker 2>havoc on these batteries. But if I could be assured

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<v Speaker 2>that my tootel down I twenty five was going to

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<v Speaker 2>recharge my battery at the same time I was toodling,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be I'd probably be all in.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, right, That's that's the big anxiety that most people have,

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<v Speaker 4>especially living in the Midwest, because there's lots of lots

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<v Speaker 4>of places where there aren't charging stations yet still Kansas.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you think, if you think, yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 4>think about just the way Tesla car is built right now,

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<v Speaker 4>about fourteen thousand dollars is spent just on the battery itself.

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<v Speaker 4>If you could reduce that down to a battery fourteen

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<v Speaker 4>thousand dollars battery will go about three hundred miles. If

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<v Speaker 4>you reduce that down eighty percent and only go fifty miles,

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<v Speaker 4>then you're only spending three to four thousand on the battery,

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<v Speaker 4>and it can charge itself as it goes. That makes

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<v Speaker 4>it much more efficient, lighter weight car, and you can

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<v Speaker 4>just go.

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<v Speaker 3>Anywhere you want.

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<v Speaker 4>Then it'll take a while to get that whole system

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<v Speaker 4>build out, but that's kind of the vision behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this something that could be done retroactively on our

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<v Speaker 2>highway system easily? Or do you have to go in

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, could you in theory, lay down, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a layer of this and just kind of asphoaled over it,

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<v Speaker 2>or are you up to speed on the engineering of this.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure exactly what all that would take, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's going to be probably some competing systems,

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<v Speaker 4>competing technologies to see which one does it best.

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<v Speaker 3>But it'll take a little while.

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<v Speaker 4>And as I understand, you'd have to drill holes into

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<v Speaker 4>the interstate to embed these coils, and then the cars

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<v Speaker 4>themselves aren't set up for induction charging at the moment,

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<v Speaker 4>right that would be an add on to the vehicles.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Question, like how because you're riding on rubber tires which

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<v Speaker 2>are not known to transmit electricity, that's kind of kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the way we've used them, right to not conduct electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm curious and to be clear, the four point

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<v Speaker 2>five mile sprand in Florida, all of that is not

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<v Speaker 2>going to have the charging capability in it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only going to be about three quarters of one mile.

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<v Speaker 2>So this really is kind of a beta project, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're just going to kind of see what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>But ultimately, how does that work? How do you?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do you is it going to be like

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<v Speaker 2>where they drag a metal bar underneath the car?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? How does that look?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it just bridges that air gap in between.

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<v Speaker 4>So the charging plates on the bottom of the car

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<v Speaker 4>are close enough to the road so that they'll pick.

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<v Speaker 3>Up the charge.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they don't have to be in contact with it,

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<v Speaker 4>but they have to be close. And so this is

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<v Speaker 4>a real short distance wireless power.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody asks what about RFI radio frequency interference?

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<v Speaker 4>There might be some of that to begin, but those

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<v Speaker 4>are things that can be engineered around.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of people are asking, like, who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for this electricity? And I think that's another

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<v Speaker 2>question that's going to have to be answered on a

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<v Speaker 2>large scale.

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<v Speaker 4>Right So, right now there's a massive amount of electricity

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<v Speaker 4>generation being engineered into our grid, and we're doing that

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<v Speaker 4>because of data centers. Data centers are going to be

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<v Speaker 4>the big power suck in the future. But as we're

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<v Speaker 4>doing that, we're also learning how to generate a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of power. So we could put the solar panels alongside

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<v Speaker 4>all the interstates.

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<v Speaker 3>That would help build some of some of the national grid.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think the people that are using the power

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<v Speaker 4>are the ones that have to pay for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so some kind of metered system, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the only fair way of doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so as well. What is the do

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<v Speaker 1>you right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously this is going to be the first addition of

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<v Speaker 2>this in the United States, and I'm sure that as

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<v Speaker 2>we get to scale and things of that nature, pricing

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<v Speaker 2>is going to change dramatically. But what would this I

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<v Speaker 2>mean what you have you even thought about how much

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to add to the price of rebuilding

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<v Speaker 2>or building a road.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't think we have any clue on that

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<v Speaker 5>at the moment, But I'm I'm guessing we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>figure out an automated way of doing that that won't

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<v Speaker 5>be that expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>So that it can be built into the roads real quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it would be super nice because I just

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<v Speaker 2>drove from here to First we went up through Iowa

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<v Speaker 2>and drove the northern route over to Ohio, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we came back through Kansas, and I got to tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>our interstate system is hot garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>It is terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>It is undrivable in Indiana, it is undrivable in parts

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<v Speaker 2>of Kansas, it is undrivable in parts of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe this would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be the thing that actually makes them have to take

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<v Speaker 2>care of them, because I'm guessing that you cannot let

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<v Speaker 2>an electric generating road crumble the way that we're letting

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<v Speaker 2>our roads crumble.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, right, this is a whole new piece of infrastructure

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<v Speaker 4>that would generate a.

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<v Speaker 3>Huge number of jobs.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it would be good for all the people

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<v Speaker 4>using it, as well as the people that are building

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<v Speaker 4>these roads.

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<v Speaker 3>I think once we can prove that it works well.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just a matter of time before somebody flips

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<v Speaker 4>the switch and says, let's do it everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I agree, I mean it just amandy you

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<v Speaker 2>think government maintains this. That's a text that just came in.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly the point I was just making. So somebody asked,

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<v Speaker 2>what about for larger electric trucks? I mean that's really

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<v Speaker 2>where this is going to be the biggest game changer, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, right, Yeah, So if you don't ever have to

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<v Speaker 4>stop your truck, you can just keep it going all

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<v Speaker 4>the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're going to be having.

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<v Speaker 4>Driver lest trucks on the road a lot in the future.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the way to transport stuff all across the

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<v Speaker 4>country very quickly. And in addition to trucks, it's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the larger vehicles, so like driving office driving

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<v Speaker 4>an RV that is something that you could actually live

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<v Speaker 4>and sleep in and it's going across the country and

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<v Speaker 4>the things things like that. We don't see any electric

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<v Speaker 4>RVs right now because they're they're too inefficient to make work,

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<v Speaker 4>so we need something much better than that. That's that's

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<v Speaker 4>where a roadway like this would change the ballgame tremendously.

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<v Speaker 2>This textra said, Mandy, heavy cars are going to bottom

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<v Speaker 2>out if they need to be closer to the road,

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<v Speaker 2>shocks will need to be much more rigid. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>these are all sort of technological things that what the

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<v Speaker 2>car makers are probably already working on in conjunction, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because is it a standardized.

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<v Speaker 1>Out put right right? I want to know the science

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<v Speaker 1>behind this. You know what I mean. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know how this actually works.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'll reach out to the company doing it and say,

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<v Speaker 2>can you guys can explain how this is actually going

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<v Speaker 2>to work, because I just think it's super cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is an induction charging system, so it's the

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<v Speaker 4>same as if you built one at a charging station

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<v Speaker 4>the money you can just drive over the TAPA and

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<v Speaker 4>charge it that way. This will be one that's continuous

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<v Speaker 4>so that you can keep driving at the same time

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<v Speaker 4>you're charging.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this going to it?

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like the any wireless charging that you have

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<v Speaker 2>for your phone right that you just put it on

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<v Speaker 2>top and you don't have to have a cord going in.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to see if I can get the

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<v Speaker 2>engineers working on this project on just to explain it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think I think it's so fascinating and truthfully,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, the way I use my car, I

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<v Speaker 2>should not have range anxiety at all, but I do.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a very interesting tournaments.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of timeline are we looking at here before

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<v Speaker 2>you could see widespread deployment.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is twenty twenty eight for the project

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<v Speaker 4>in Florida. If we see that being real successful, I

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<v Speaker 4>can see this getting adopted pretty quickly. After that, there's

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<v Speaker 4>going to have to be more than that test case

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<v Speaker 4>to prove it works. And we've got to have all

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<v Speaker 4>the carmakers buy into it as well. So there's a

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<v Speaker 4>little negotiating that has to happen along the way here.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the Devil's in the details right there, Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I think this is so far away.

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<v Speaker 1>So far away.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, let's talk about the second story, because I love

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<v Speaker 2>where more and more people are showing.

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<v Speaker 1>Up with cancer in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just out of the age where more people that

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<v Speaker 2>I know are dealing with cancer of some sort.

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<v Speaker 1>And I, after talking to you now.

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<v Speaker 2>For these many years, Thomas, I get excited when I

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<v Speaker 2>read stories about nanobot technology that's actually happening. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>read a story and go, oh, my god, Thomas talked

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<v Speaker 1>Four years ago. So I'm super excited about how AI

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<v Speaker 1>is going to change medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it is going to change medicine significantly,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe more than any other industry.

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<v Speaker 1>And you, yeah, you in this article.

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<v Speaker 2>About what the future of AI and medicine could start

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<v Speaker 2>to look like is absolutely fascinating. And you have a

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<v Speaker 2>that mean and why is AI a game changer here?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Well, it all started with the idea of being

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<v Speaker 4>that you're doing, because that's a piece of science, and

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<v Speaker 4>that you can actually personify it and actually give it

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<v Speaker 4>a voice, and then you can talk to it and

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<v Speaker 4>find out what's wrong with it. So the idea is

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<v Speaker 4>to actually give a voice to your personal defects, what

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<v Speaker 4>disease you might have. So you give a voice to

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<v Speaker 4>your cancer or your diabetes, or your heart condition, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>that might be. So then you can go and find

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<v Speaker 4>out what makes your cancer tick and find out what

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<v Speaker 4>can be done to kill it.

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<v Speaker 2>And do they do that by putting in like what

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<v Speaker 2>would that practically look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, a surgeon goes in and biopsies a tumor, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they take the cells of that tumor, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious as to how that AI assumes that voice correctly.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so this just works on the assumption of all

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<v Speaker 4>the information that you feed into AI.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And it doesn't include any probes into the body, doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>include any biopsy or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You just talk to the disease.

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<v Speaker 4>You can you can talk to your own laziness, You

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<v Speaker 4>can talk to your own depression, talk to your own diabetes.

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<v Speaker 2>But how does AI correctly become your depression, your diabetes,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm confused about.

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<v Speaker 4>It based on the input that you use. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's the problem. It may not be that correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're not honest, or if if your input

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<v Speaker 2>is bad, if you if you're suffering from a deep

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<v Speaker 2>depression but you don't give all the reasons that you're

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<v Speaker 2>feeling a deep depression, you're not going to get a

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<v Speaker 2>satisfactory AI chatbot to discuss it with, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, But it's going to ask you questions to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure it gets as good as good information as possible.

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<v Speaker 4>So now if you think about this, this idea of

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<v Speaker 4>talking to the defect, we can expand this notion of

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<v Speaker 4>being able to talk to the conspiracy theory, being able

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<v Speaker 4>to talk to the contrails in the sky, being.

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<v Speaker 3>Able to talk to.

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<v Speaker 4>A drought or the flood conditions that are happening somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>This idea of being able to talk to these abstract

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<v Speaker 4>things that are happening in the world, can give them

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<v Speaker 4>a voice so you can interact with it and you

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<v Speaker 4>can understand what's going on on that end that I

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<v Speaker 4>think is so inspiring and challenging at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>And then how does the AI learn from that? And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm always looking at because ultimately I am

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<v Speaker 2>concerned that AI learns in such a manner, a stacking manner,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of a sorting of pertinent information. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>make that sort of a foundation of our thought processes.

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<v Speaker 2>How is AI learning in that way? Like if you said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>to put in all these I'm gonna use drought because

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado that's a much more familiar position. Okay, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the drought in the southeastern part of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna put in all the data points, We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to give it all the information and then we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that drought. Well, what if somebody else says, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got my drought in California and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>put in all these data points. That's where I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to know more. And I think that's a really big

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<v Speaker 2>question that I just asked. But I'd like to know

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<v Speaker 2>more about how AI uses all of those inputs and

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<v Speaker 2>how that together affects the outputs that I'm getting back.

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<v Speaker 4>I think AI then takes on the task of going

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<v Speaker 4>after more and more information, okay, from different sources, and

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<v Speaker 3>Better it can can we can interact with it. Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So I like the idea of the contrails in the

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<v Speaker 4>sky because this is something that body's wondering about, what

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<v Speaker 4>why the hell are they up there, and whether they

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<v Speaker 4>look so funny and it's just really a Bill Gates

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not big on the contrails the conspiracy theory, because

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<v Speaker 2>I've worked and I've made contrails with airplanes and seen

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<v Speaker 2>it happen in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do have a question going back to the

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<v Speaker 2>But this is about how that technology could be used elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody asked, can this be used on the railroads to

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<v Speaker 2>displace electric diesel locomotives with fully.

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<v Speaker 3>Electric That's a great question. I think it could.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a power issue there though.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that you could have enough batteries even

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<v Speaker 2>if they were constantly being recharged to replace the power

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<v Speaker 2>that you have from a diesel engine just for starting

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<v Speaker 2>and stopping, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know about it. I mean, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you never know.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a weight factor there that trains are super heavy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that would be real interesting to actually scale that out

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<v Speaker 4>and see if that actually would work. Maybe they could

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<v Speaker 4>actually start building trains that are much lighter, wait easier

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<v Speaker 4>to carry things around.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>See Thomas fry Our futurist. He can be found at

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<v Speaker 2>impact lab dot com. I put links to both of

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<v Speaker 2>these articles on the blog today. You should go check

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<v Speaker 2>them out. They're super super fascinating and I'm ready for

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<v Speaker 2>some of these things to start happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas, good to see you man. Happy Happy new year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, happy new year to you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you all right.

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<v Speaker 2>That is Thomas Frye, one of my favorite guests and

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<v Speaker 2>super super interesting, Mandy, I already talked to my defect.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called calling my liberal sister. Now, that's not nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Another text, or what about psychological defects?

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that kind of stuff from a diagnostic perspective

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely going to be the way of the future.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a quick time out when we

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<v Speaker 2>get back. I have so many other things, but I

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask this question. How in the world did

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnston blow two million dollars for a four hour

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<v Speaker 1>I'll explain after this. Keep it on, Koa