Speaker 1: With on Boston's.
Speaker 2: Big news out of the Middle East. UH.
Speaker 3: In Israel today, the IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces have
Speaker 3: killed yesterday apparently Yaya Sinoir. He's the head of the
Speaker 3: Hamas military wing. For all intents and purposes, was the
Speaker 3: ruler of Gaza, because Gaza is ruled by Hamas. Just
Speaker 3: the latest in a string of military victories by the.
Speaker 2: Forces, the military forces of Israel.
Speaker 4: UH.
Speaker 3: They're the list of names of individuals that have been
Speaker 3: taken out and taken out almost an asurgical fashion.
Speaker 2: I think that that.
Speaker 3: Israel may have been a little fortunate in getting sinhwar,
Speaker 3: but we'll find out more about that with our guest.
Speaker 3: But they took out the head of Hesbalah just recently,
Speaker 3: Hassan Israla. He was at a meeting and if I'm
Speaker 3: not mistaken, in a southern suburb of Beirut, Israel, just
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, had that brilliant plan to
Speaker 3: have pages, pagers, UH and cell phones explode on members
Speaker 3: of Hesbelah. That how Israel is able to do some
Speaker 3: of this? Now they have Iran waiting waiting for poised
Speaker 3: for the next attack with US as a friend of
Speaker 3: this program for many years. Jeff robbins. He's a lawyer
Speaker 3: with Saul Ewing in Boston. He has represented the Clinton
Speaker 3: administration at the United Nations in New York. He has
Speaker 3: been the head of the Anti Defamation League, and he's
Speaker 3: been a guest in his program. He's also a syndicated
Speaker 3: columnist that appears in the Boston Herald generally every Tuesday. Jeff,
Speaker 3: welcome back to Night's Side. This is a night when
Speaker 3: Israel is truly on a role here. This is all
Speaker 3: good news for people who are looking to eliminate terrorism
Speaker 3: and the leaders of terrorism in the Middle East.
Speaker 5: Well, Dan, first of all, thank you so much for
Speaker 5: having me and once again for shining a light on
Speaker 5: this really god awful situation that has been foisted on
Speaker 5: Israel and also foisted on the people of Gaza by
Speaker 5: some just wretched people. Remember it only ends up in
Speaker 5: the nineteenth paragraph of the New York Times. But this
Speaker 5: all started when six thousand Amas gunman organized masterminded by Sinwar,
Speaker 5: breached the border, invaded Israel and deliberately set about slaughtering, raping,
Speaker 5: burning to death, blowing apart as many Israelis as they could,
Speaker 5: kidnapping two hundred and fifty massacring twelve hundred the proportional
Speaker 5: equivalent by the way of about you know, I don't know,
Speaker 5: forty thousand Americans within a couple of hours, and then
Speaker 5: joined the next day by Hezbollah in the North. And
Speaker 5: it's one hundred and fifty thousand rockets firing rockets at
Speaker 5: Israeli civilians in support of that slaughter. That's where all
Speaker 5: this began. And as you point out, it's a significant
Speaker 5: day in the Middle East because the mastermind of all
Speaker 5: this has now been brought to justice in the same
Speaker 5: way that you know, we were eventually fortunate enough and
Speaker 5: skilled enough to bring Osama bin Laden to an end.
Speaker 2: Well, it was interesting.
Speaker 3: I saw the video tonight on one of the network newscasts,
Speaker 3: the drone video of this guy sitting alone. It looked
Speaker 3: like the third floor of a building in Gaza, and
Speaker 3: he obviously had been wounded. The Israeli IDF went in.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there was a firefight and they finished him off,
Speaker 3: and they were able to positively identify him through DNA
Speaker 3: and dental records as the mastermind. And I thought he
Speaker 3: was correct me if I'm wrong, was he not the
Speaker 3: lead negotiator through all of this for Hamas, and he
Speaker 3: was the one who would always turn down any offers
Speaker 3: of a settlement or any offers of a He kept
Speaker 3: moving the goalpost on anything that Israel offered in terms
Speaker 3: of a ceasefire.
Speaker 5: This is an evil, evil guy, completely evil. He called
Speaker 5: the shots on September seventh, and he called the shots
Speaker 5: ever since. And he calculated before October seventh and thereafter
Speaker 5: that it was only a matter of time before the
Speaker 5: international commit unity, the UN, the ed Marquis and Iana
Speaker 5: Presleys of the world would pressure would succeed in bringing
Speaker 5: pressure on the Israeli government to back down to withdraw.
Speaker 5: Of course, Netnyahu was faced with huge pressure internally, justifiably
Speaker 5: understandably by people who wanted the hostages brought back. The
Speaker 5: calculation was that this day would never occur. The calculation was, frankly,
Speaker 5: that probably November one of last year would never occur,
Speaker 5: that by then Israel would have been forced to withdraw
Speaker 5: and let Hamastri group as it had in the past.
Speaker 5: But he was an evil man. I see that. You know,
Speaker 5: our friends, the students and Justice for Justice in Palestine
Speaker 5: leis at Boston University here in Boston, have just issued
Speaker 5: a proclamation saying this is a declaration of war. So
Speaker 5: it shows you is you and I have discussed so
Speaker 5: many times that there has been a disease. There's a
Speaker 5: disease that has spread in support of this kind of thing,
Speaker 5: and God knows how we deal with that.
Speaker 3: Well, I would like to see those students at Boston
Speaker 3: University go over to Gaza UH and sign up for
Speaker 3: Hamas UH and and become warriors for the cause and
Speaker 3: let them deal with the IDEF on a one to
Speaker 3: one basis and see how they go. It's real easy
Speaker 3: for them to be over here signing petitions UH. And
Speaker 3: you know, if they really believe in the cause, go
Speaker 3: over and support.
Speaker 2: Them and deal with them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry about that. Never mind dealing with the IDEF.
Speaker 5: How about dealing with Hamas. Because one of the aspects
Speaker 5: of this whole thing in the last year, which would
Speaker 5: be laughable but for the fact that it's so serious,
Speaker 5: is you have people who hold themselves out as progressives
Speaker 5: embracing an organization that would throw them off a roof
Speaker 5: in an at a second.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, we've talked about that, and I just thought
Speaker 3: that if that, if that, if they're if they're shedding
Speaker 3: tears tonight for Sinoa.
Speaker 2: Gee.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. It's it's so frustrating and maddening. Frankly, Jeff,
Speaker 3: I want to continue to talk about this, and I
Speaker 3: want to open up a couple of areas. One kudos
Speaker 3: to Benjamin Yahoo. He has stood strong in this situation,
Speaker 3: with with criticism from those on his left at home
Speaker 3: and certainly criticism from some of the international community. And
Speaker 3: I really think that this is a modern day Winston Churchill.
Speaker 3: I know you're not a huge fan of net and
Speaker 3: Yahoo on an on a number of issues, but he
Speaker 3: has withstood the crucible here and it just may be
Speaker 3: that he is going to take Israel to a place
Speaker 3: that it that it has never been uh in the
Speaker 3: in the next few months, where they may be able
Speaker 3: to really I think UH play offense and and basically
Speaker 3: put the bad guy back on the heels.
Speaker 2: Do you buy that theory at all?
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 5: I have to agree with you. You're right. I have been
Speaker 5: critical of him over the judicial overhaul thing and the
Speaker 5: composition of some of his government, but by God, he
Speaker 5: has withstood pressure in a way that you can't think
Speaker 5: of anybody who would withstand that kind of pressure. From
Speaker 5: our administration, from the un from people within Israel, from
Speaker 5: all over the place, and you are right, he has
Speaker 5: you know, prevailed, and of course his popularity in Israel
Speaker 5: is going to skyrocket accordingly.
Speaker 2: Well, take a quick break. My guest is Jeff Robbins.
Speaker 3: If you'd like to join the conversation, ask a question,
Speaker 3: make a comment. I truly believe that what has happened
Speaker 3: in the last few weeks, when taken together, it is
Speaker 3: an incredible step I believe towards peace. I think that
Speaker 3: at this point, the only deal, the only way, that
Speaker 3: the only option that who had had was to do
Speaker 3: what has now been accomplished by the brilliance, frankly of
Speaker 3: the the Israeli military. And maybe there's been some help
Speaker 3: from the US along the way. We're never going to
Speaker 3: probably acknowledge that publicly. But this, when I saw that
Speaker 3: news today, I thought this was one of the I
Speaker 3: thought Simwa was one of the guys who was hold
Speaker 3: up in one of the top level hotels in one
Speaker 3: of the wealthy Arab Emirate countries. I did not realize
Speaker 3: that he was still in the tunnels of Gaza. We'll
Speaker 3: get to all of that. Feel free to join the conversation.
Speaker 3: This is a night to celebrate Israel. If you want
Speaker 3: to be critical, if you want to ask a tough
Speaker 3: question and can keep it civil, we can do that too.
Speaker 3: Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, six, one, seven,
Speaker 3: nine thirty Coming right back on night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on wb SEE News Radio.
Speaker 2: My guest is Jeff Robbins.
Speaker 3: Jeff knows the Middle East as well as any American
Speaker 3: that I know. Jeff, your opinion, what happens next? Obviously,
Speaker 3: this this is not the end, but it does. It
Speaker 3: does it put pressure on not only Hezbollah and Hamas,
Speaker 3: but also Iran to recognize that Israel is not going
Speaker 3: to back down. And Israel is at this point they
Speaker 3: have the momentum with them. Uh, and and is the
Speaker 3: time now for Iran to call off the dogs?
Speaker 5: So it's the it's the contest between rationality and even
Speaker 5: self interest on one hand and insane genocidal jihadism on
Speaker 5: the other. Uh, what what to take first? Well, in
Speaker 5: Iran and its proxies you have in genocidal jihadism, that's
Speaker 5: the fact, there's no point sugarcoating it. On other hand,
Speaker 5: as you suggest, a rational view of the world would
Speaker 5: suggest to Iran that the calculation that they and his
Speaker 5: Bollah and Hamas, whom they of course control, that they
Speaker 5: made that that Israel would be forced, coerced, pressed into
Speaker 5: withdrawing and letting letting a win emerge in the in
Speaker 5: the the bad Guy's column that that has not worked.
Speaker 5: That Israel has decimated Hamas's military forces, it has decimated
Speaker 5: his Bolah's leadership and to a considerable degree, its military forces. Apparently,
Speaker 5: according to the reports, two thirds of his Bolah's missile supply,
Speaker 5: which is pretty extensive, have been supplied. And now Iran
Speaker 5: is just waiting to get hit. And it's a question
Speaker 5: of where, where, and when. So rationality would dictate that
Speaker 5: Iran would say, uh, this is not going well.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: And and and Israel, far from being cowed is now
Speaker 5: let's face it, really oxygenated and and and incentivized to
Speaker 5: finish the job. Uh. So we'll see what happens over
Speaker 5: the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: I believe that Netanya, who has has what's been reported,
Speaker 3: has said to President Biden that he will not hit
Speaker 3: Iran's oil industry.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: And it seems as if the stock market here in
Speaker 3: America has been somewhat relieved at that decision. But he
Speaker 3: will hit their military assets, maybe maybe even strike at
Speaker 3: their nuclear facilities. Do you think either of both of
Speaker 3: those are on the table and that Israel has the
Speaker 3: capacity to do significant damage to Iran in its backyard?
Speaker 5: Well, a, they absolutely have the capacity to do significant damage.
Speaker 5: For one thing, Iran has no air force, and the
Speaker 5: Israelis have a remarkable air force. For another thing, Israel's
Speaker 5: intelligence capacity and technological capacity far exceeds anything the Iranians have.
Speaker 5: Think about for example, what Israel was able to do
Speaker 5: in April and then again this year, and of course
Speaker 5: the attack that they pulled off in Tehran against a
Speaker 5: Massa's leader. Whether or not, I'm sure that net Yahoo
Speaker 5: is under withering pressure from the Biden administration to do
Speaker 5: nothing which disturbs things so badly that it throws the
Speaker 5: vice president's election prospects out of whack. And of course,
Speaker 5: something which caused oil prices to go high or which
Speaker 5: affected the stock market generally would fall in that category.
Speaker 5: But Israel has this problem, right, I mean, this is
Speaker 5: not what they asked for. They didn't ask for. October sixth,
Speaker 5: They didn't ask for October rate or the last year.
Speaker 5: They didn't ask for what Iran has done. They've been
Speaker 5: warning about it and warning about it and warning about it.
Speaker 5: And now you know, I'm sure there are a lot
Speaker 5: of people in Israel's military establishment, not to speak of that.
Speaker 5: Yahou himself were saying, why would we take our foot
Speaker 5: off the gas?
Speaker 2: Now you know this is this is the time to finish,
Speaker 2: finish it.
Speaker 3: And then the question is, look Iran, as I understand that,
Speaker 3: and if I'm wrong, please correct me. Iran was was
Speaker 3: very concerned, very concerned that Saudi Arabia was close to
Speaker 3: becoming a signatory to the Abraham Accords UH, and and
Speaker 3: that that is what has prompted in some part UH,
Speaker 3: what Iran has done.
Speaker 2: Here. Is it possible for.
Speaker 3: The Biden administration in the waning days of the waning
Speaker 3: weeks of its administration, can be Abe pull Saudi Arabia
Speaker 3: because of the success of Israeli or into some sort
Speaker 3: of an agreement and basically extend the Abraham Accords beyond
Speaker 3: where the Trump administration got them or is that not
Speaker 3: likely a possibility?
Speaker 5: No, I think it's a very real possibility by all accounts.
Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia was moving steadily in that direction before October seventh,
Speaker 5: and that that was explicitly a consideration on the part
Speaker 5: of Iran, Iran and its proxies to try to stop
Speaker 5: that from happening. Now, you know, in the Middle East,
Speaker 5: as in other places, but particularly in the Middle East,
Speaker 5: power and success mean a very great deal if you're
Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia and some of these other states. You see
Speaker 5: Israel in the last couple of months, having wiped the
Speaker 5: floor with Hamas and his ballah and having you know,
Speaker 5: Donald putting Iran at risk, Well see what happens over
Speaker 5: the next days and weeks of getting hit pretty badly.
Speaker 5: So Saudi Arabia is going to be incentivized to move forward,
Speaker 5: it seems to me in that direction, the direction that
Speaker 5: you identify. It was there, it was going there anyway.
Speaker 5: It now sees Israel as ascendant for the moment in
Speaker 5: terms of this military effort which began as an act
Speaker 5: of self defense. And so you could very well see
Speaker 5: that kind of inducement to Saudi Arabia to say, okay,
Speaker 5: let me move even further, to let us move even
Speaker 5: further down the field toward that kind of reproach Mond
Speaker 5: with formal reproach Mond with Israel.
Speaker 3: Now, I know that whenever you talk Saudi Arabia or
Speaker 3: you talk about us being involved with Saudi Arabia, there's
Speaker 3: a chorus and a legitimate course of people who will
Speaker 3: remind us of what happened in October twenty eighteen, the
Speaker 3: murder by Saudi government, whether or not it goes all
Speaker 3: the way up to the head of the government of
Speaker 3: Jamal Kashogi, and there was a lot of attention paid
Speaker 3: to that and the response of of the Saudi Arabian
Speaker 3: government what happened to him when he entered the embassy
Speaker 3: in Turkey. Yet, on the other hand, if we can
Speaker 3: somehow now by having a relationship of some sort with
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia which brings Israel into a relationship with Saudi
Speaker 3: Arabia that is going to further isolate Iran, there will
Speaker 3: be those who in the next few weeks are going
Speaker 3: to say, no, no, no, we can't get to we
Speaker 3: can't get involved with Saudi Arabia because of the memory
Speaker 3: of Jamal Koshogi, which is which is a legitimate instinct.
Speaker 3: But when you talk about the comparison evil of Saudi
Speaker 3: Arabia and Iran, and what those two countries, the potential
Speaker 3: for someone some good or the potential for nuclear annihilation.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not a difficult call from where I'm sitting.
Speaker 3: You probably look at it a little differently. I'd love
Speaker 3: to make the argument, if you will, that that maybe
Speaker 3: we want to stay away from Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 5: Now I look at it the same way that you do.
Speaker 5: I mean, of course they're a parent, they're apart, But
Speaker 5: as you point out, you know, when you weigh that
Speaker 5: abhorrent regime and relationships with you know, with an apparrent
Speaker 5: regime against the virtue, the good, the benefit of trying
Speaker 5: to avoid an inferno in the Middle East, an inferno
Speaker 5: which could easily consume the entire world given the alliance
Speaker 5: among Iran, North Korea and Russia. I like you think
Speaker 5: it's a no brainer.
Speaker 2: My guest is Jeff Robbins. We're going to go to
Speaker 2: phone calls right after the break.
Speaker 3: Your thoughts on what is going on and the possibilities
Speaker 3: that now exist which maybe didn't exist a month ago,
Speaker 3: maybe didn't even exist a week ago. I think there's
Speaker 3: an opportunity here that should be seized. Karpe DM six
Speaker 3: one seven, two, five four to ten thirty six one seven,
Speaker 3: nine thirty.
Speaker 2: My name is Dan.
Speaker 3: This is Nightside. This is a night when good has
Speaker 3: triumphed over evil. Despite what these students for Palestine for
Speaker 3: Justice and Palistine want to.
Speaker 2: Believe, they're wrong.
Speaker 3: Israel has done what it needed to do and they
Speaker 3: did not want to kill innocent civilians along the way.
Speaker 3: Innocent civilians had been killed along the way, that is
Speaker 3: as a consequence of the war that Hamas initiated on
Speaker 3: October seventh, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Back on Night's Side, right after the news break.
Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 3: My guess is Jeff Robbins unbelievable to think that October
Speaker 3: seventh is now just about I guess what a year
Speaker 3: and a few days ago in Israel, who was really
Speaker 3: in tough shape a year and a few days ago,
Speaker 3: has tonight now wiped out most, if not all, of
Speaker 3: the leadership of Hamas and has Belah, and they now
Speaker 3: have an opportunity to turn their sights on around. Let's
Speaker 3: see what people have to say. If you agree, great,
Speaker 3: If you disagree, that's fine too. Let's have a conversation
Speaker 3: on nights side. Let me go first this hour to
Speaker 3: Tom checking in for the Philippines. Tom, a Boston guy
Speaker 3: who's located in the Philippines, what do you think of
Speaker 3: what went on in the last twenty four hours in
Speaker 3: Gaza in Israel.
Speaker 7: Tom, That's wonderful what the IDF did. And I have
Speaker 7: no problem with them taking out leadership of Hamas and
Speaker 7: has Blah, you know, and if they can do it
Speaker 7: with one shot, one kill, even better because no collateral damage.
Speaker 7: But Dan, you had this topic about a week ago
Speaker 7: on your program and I called in. Young man spoke
Speaker 7: earlier to me earlier in the program to me a
Speaker 7: call of previous. His name is Tristan, and you asked
Speaker 7: them the question on October seventh, would those Hamas terrorists
Speaker 7: would they have gone if they had the ability to
Speaker 7: go further on to Israel and continue slaughtering Israelis that
Speaker 7: were jewsed in Israel. He refused to answer the question.
Speaker 7: And he is one of those people that Okay, well,
Speaker 7: I have a great memory too. And the point being
Speaker 7: is that with these apologists for the Palestinians, they always
Speaker 7: make it about Israel's trying to commit a genocide. I
Speaker 7: don't believe that at all, and that the issue is
Speaker 7: is that Hamas hides in schools, hospitals and they're using
Speaker 7: human shields the same way Saddam Hussein did in the
Speaker 7: First Gulf War. And at some point you just have
Speaker 7: to take the horse blows off and understand that you
Speaker 7: know something. This is not a black and white issue.
Speaker 7: It's very gray. But the reality is with the people
Speaker 7: in Israel as you have a huge percentage of people
Speaker 7: that are their neighbors. Not all, but there's a significant
Speaker 7: percentage that want Israel wiped off the face of the earth.
Speaker 7: And the biggest threat is Iran. And I don't ever
Speaker 7: understand why Obama allowed them to have a ten year
Speaker 7: window to develop a nuclear weapon, because, as Maya Angelou
Speaker 7: once said, when somebody tells you who they are, believe them,
Speaker 7: and ever since the Iranian Revolution of seventy nine, that
Speaker 7: every time they have a massive protest, it's death to America,
Speaker 7: death to Israel. And I have no doubt that if
Speaker 7: Iran ever detonates a nuclear weapon, they will launch one
Speaker 7: into Israel. They're not going to launch one into the
Speaker 7: United States, they know that suicide, but they will do
Speaker 7: that to Israel and I would like to hear what
Speaker 7: your guest has to say on that topic. I will listen.
Speaker 2: Stay right there, go ahead, Jess.
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I mean I agree with virtually
Speaker 5: everything that Tom said. The only nuance is on there's
Speaker 5: plenty of gray in the history of the Middle East
Speaker 5: and the history of the conflict on this on what
Speaker 5: has happened in the last year. However, in my view,
Speaker 5: there is something which is awfully close to black and white.
Speaker 5: Not one of those Gozins had to die, not one
Speaker 5: of the Israelis had to die, Not one of the
Speaker 5: Palestinians in Gaza had to die. Everyone died as a
Speaker 5: result of a deliberate decision to slaughter as many Jews
Speaker 5: as possible. And the caller is right. Tom's right. This
Speaker 5: wasn't just Sinowar. There were six thousand armed gunmen that
Speaker 5: broke in to Israel, executing everybody in sight. Six thousand
Speaker 5: and we all remember the calls back, the gleeful calls
Speaker 5: back to their parents, mom, dad in Arabic, I killed
Speaker 5: this many Jews, God bless you, my son, and all
Speaker 5: the rest of it. We saw the sheers and the
Speaker 5: throngs and the celebrations as Israeli bodies were carried back
Speaker 5: into Gaza. There is a sickness, and it's really a
Speaker 5: horrific situation. But I agree with the caller that blinders
Speaker 5: have to come off. They have not come off in
Speaker 5: certain quarters, which is a puzzlement. You would think that
Speaker 5: the deliberate slaughter of people would be pretty clear, even
Speaker 5: to students for Justice in Palestine on campuses, but unfortunately,
Speaker 5: as Tom says, it's not clear everywhere, and so the
Speaker 5: three of us on this call right now spend a
Speaker 5: lot of time shaking our heads and worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom points, yep, thank you.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that, and he is right. October seventh was
Speaker 7: a black and white issue. I stand corrected on that.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Sir Shalom. Thanks to take care.
Speaker 2: Thank you much.
Speaker 3: Let me go to lou Is in West roxfor a
Speaker 3: little closer to home. Lou Next on Nightside with Jeff
Speaker 3: Robins Luga right ahead.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jeff's good to talk to you. I don't agree
Speaker 6: with your national politics here in America, but I i'd
Speaker 6: like your take on the Middle East and the Boston Herald.
Speaker 6: I wish more people would buy the Harald and read
Speaker 6: what you have to say.
Speaker 5: Well, you've made my day.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, I'm I'm the only Irish cal the
Speaker 6: graduate of Temple Beth Abraham School. So I have a
Speaker 6: lot of always had a long interest in this conflict,
Speaker 6: and I like the take that you have. And Caroline
Speaker 6: Glick has another good analyst of the area that what
Speaker 6: we're really up against here is Sharia supremacists that really
Speaker 6: have no desire for peace anywhere, and then they're going
Speaker 6: to keep rolling once they're done destroying in the Middle East.
Speaker 6: But I just want to ask the obvious question when
Speaker 6: you talk about Joe Biden hindering the Israeli government, why
Speaker 6: why are you so down on Trump? I think he
Speaker 6: was a great friend to Israel, and I just I
Speaker 6: can't when I read you, I say, gee, this, this
Speaker 6: guy should really take a little more time to understand
Speaker 6: how much Trump loves Israel and loves the Israeli people.
Speaker 3: Well, he may he may look lou at other aspects
Speaker 3: of the race, but he's going to speak for himself,
Speaker 3: so let's see what he has to say.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good questions.
Speaker 5: A good question, and it's a question that I get
Speaker 5: asked a lot for the same reason. Look, as Dan
Speaker 5: says on issue after issue after issue, I couldn't possibly
Speaker 5: bring myself to vote for Trump. But I absolutely acknowledge
Speaker 5: that the Democratic Party has been often a moral failure
Speaker 5: when it comes to Iran and its proxy's in Israel.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of that has been illustrated this year.
Speaker 5: I commend the President for a number of things, starting
Speaker 5: with the trip to Israel right after October seventh. I
Speaker 5: think that in his gut he feels huge allegiance and
Speaker 5: sympathy for Israel. I think that on the moment after
Speaker 5: moment after moment, he has provided military support, intelligence support,
Speaker 5: and he's taken a beating look. He took a pasting
Speaker 5: from the left and his Democratic Party Democratic Party, which
Speaker 5: may very well have been the straw that broke the
Speaker 5: camel's back and required him to get out of the
Speaker 5: race given his pull numbers. But there are things like
Speaker 5: the public threat to cut off weapons to Israel if
Speaker 5: the IDF went into Rafa, a line which by the way,
Speaker 5: was parroted by Vice President Harris, who said that she'd
Speaker 5: studied the maps, whatever that means. And of course, where
Speaker 5: was Sinwar caught and killed? It was Rafa? Where were
Speaker 5: those eight hostages? That were murdered recently murdered. It was
Speaker 5: in Rafa? Where are others of the hostages in Rafa?
Speaker 5: That kind of thing consumed the news for two weeks
Speaker 5: and undercut the credibility of the IDF when it was
Speaker 5: trying to do a job, so that I put in
Speaker 5: the category of incomprehensible moves. And I have been, you know,
Speaker 5: critical at times, very critical of my own party when
Speaker 5: it comes to Israel. And am I worried about what
Speaker 5: Harris administration UH would look like? Who would be staffed
Speaker 5: by Yeah, I am worried about his candidly gay I'm worried.
Speaker 6: So Louis you got you got be worried about her
Speaker 6: foreign policy?
Speaker 2: All right, lou appreciate, appreciate your call. A honest question,
Speaker 2: honest answer. Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 3: Quick break back with my guest, Jeff Robbins of the
Speaker 3: Boston Herald of syndicated columnists, amongst other things. Again an attorney,
Speaker 3: first amendment attorney with Saul Ewing, a very big law
Speaker 3: firm here in Boston, and also served in the Clinton
Speaker 3: administration as a representative on human rights to the United Nations.
Speaker 3: Also as the former head of the Anti Defamation League
Speaker 3: here in Massachusetts, and on this issue, you heard Jeff
Speaker 3: many times in this program, and I think that he
Speaker 3: has been a an incredibly strong supporter of Israel within
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. He is a Democrat, but he certainly
Speaker 3: stands apart from many of the Democrats, including I think
Speaker 3: both of our US senators, in terms of their inability
Speaker 3: to understand what's going on in Israel from Israel's perspective.
Speaker 3: It's easy for us to say to net Yahoo, hey,
Speaker 3: why don't you stand down?
Speaker 2: Why don't you do this? And we got we got
Speaker 2: more phone calls.
Speaker 3: I want to get to them, and I'm I feel
Speaker 3: strongly about this, but I'm more interested in your points
Speaker 3: of view and what Jeff has to say, because nobody
Speaker 3: knows this issue that I know of here better than
Speaker 3: Jeff Robbins. And I thought that last exchange between Lou
Speaker 3: from West Roxbury and Jeff really did. It was a
Speaker 3: great question and it was a really good answer. And
Speaker 3: that's the quality conversation that I'm thrilled that we have
Speaker 3: here on Nightside, particularly on a night like this. We'll
Speaker 3: be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World
Speaker 1: to night Side studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to get everybody in. It's going
Speaker 3: to be tough, but let us see what we can do.
Speaker 3: Gonna go to Frank in Boston. Frank, you are next
Speaker 3: on Night Side with my guest Jeff Robbins.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Frank.
Speaker 8: I don't understand why we need why Israel has to
Speaker 8: try to take this fight to Iran when number one,
Speaker 8: the last encounter they had had minimum, minimal damage on Israel,
Speaker 8: minimal damage on Israel. The only reason why Israel wants
Speaker 8: to go into Iran is because of the nuclear bomb.
Speaker 8: They did the same thing with Iraq. They took out
Speaker 8: an Iraq because they thought Iraq was gonna have a bomb.
Speaker 8: That I ran and it's not gonna end the next
Speaker 8: The next Arab state down there who will try to
Speaker 8: get a bomb will be Saudi Arabia and if not them,
Speaker 8: gonna be a Qatar. This is an endless game of
Speaker 8: trying to get these other Arabs, the Arab states, from
Speaker 8: having a bomb. When Israel has a bomb, they have
Speaker 8: a bomb.
Speaker 2: Let's get you. I think I know what just gonna say.
Speaker 2: Let's see what he has to say to your question.
Speaker 5: Frank, Well, first of all, Israel does have nowkou weapons,
Speaker 5: but nobody wants it to use them, and Israel doesn't
Speaker 5: want it to use them.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: And the fact that they have them hasn't stopped Iran
Speaker 5: from going after Israel, not just by the proxies, the
Speaker 5: slaughter that Hamas promulgated, not just the thousands and thousands
Speaker 5: of rockets that Hamas that has Belas fired, But they've fired,
Speaker 5: you know, hundreds and hundreds of ballistic missiles at Israel.
Speaker 5: Now they're going to continue doing it unless they're disincentivized
Speaker 5: from doing it. So what would want? Go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 2: Frank, Frank, let him, let him finish his answer?
Speaker 6: Please, oh what?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 5: What would you have Israel do? Just sit there and
Speaker 5: let Iran fire hundreds waves of ballistic missiles at Israeli cities. Uh, undeterred.
Speaker 5: You just can't do that. What would we do if
Speaker 5: somebody fired hundreds of missiles at us? Would we say, well, gosh,
Speaker 5: please please don't do it again.
Speaker 1: They did it.
Speaker 8: Already the last the last book. The missile strikes that
Speaker 8: hit Israel before the last rounds didn't do anything Israel,
Speaker 8: and Israel responded by going into a precision bombing, but
Speaker 8: to start and to actually go into Iran and start
Speaker 8: bombing Iran or something to that effect. I mean, you're
Speaker 8: talking about taking this world to a third world. And
Speaker 8: quite frankly, do you want your children to go fight
Speaker 8: for Israel?
Speaker 5: Well, let me focus on the on the Iran.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think that any of our children have to
Speaker 3: go fight for Israel.
Speaker 2: I think does very well themselves.
Speaker 8: Happened, That's what happened, and.
Speaker 3: These I appreciate it. I appreciate the call. I got
Speaker 3: two other callers. I'd like to get to you, ask
Speaker 3: some questions. You got answers you particularly like them, but
Speaker 3: I think I got to roll on.
Speaker 8: Okay, Well, I'm sorry, Conservative Conservatives is not going to
Speaker 8: back you up.
Speaker 3: That's fine, Okay, thank you, Frank, appreciate your call. Let
Speaker 3: me go next to real quickly. I'm gonna try to
Speaker 3: get Mike and west Roxby and Jeff and Walty. Mike
Speaker 3: and west Roxby go right ahead. You're on with Jeff Robbins.
Speaker 9: Gentlemen, here's a thing. The leader of the Moss has
Speaker 9: been taken out. And I'm sure both of you already
Speaker 9: considered this there's at least fifty guys that they're ready to.
Speaker 6: Take his place.
Speaker 9: Well, what about.
Speaker 2: That you take them up when they out the side
Speaker 2: of my face there, Well.
Speaker 6: You're not wrong.
Speaker 5: It seems to me that there are going to be
Speaker 5: the extent of the insane, genocidal jihadism that permeates uh,
Speaker 5: you know, Gaza and particularly Hamas, which is the ruling enterprise,
Speaker 5: is horrifying. And I think nobody thinks that, you know,
Speaker 5: with the elimination of Sinwar, it's over. As I said before,
Speaker 5: there were six thousand mini Sino Wars that invaded Israel
Speaker 5: on October seventh. But on the other hand, the hope
Speaker 5: is the hope is that by sort of decimating the
Speaker 5: command structure, you can maybe create an environment where there
Speaker 5: is the day after Hamas. Nobody in their right mind,
Speaker 5: it seems to me, thinks that Hamas can be permitted
Speaker 5: to rule Gaza. You have to be you have to
Speaker 5: be sort of you know, on mes clin. It seems
Speaker 5: to me to think that that's the and I'm not
Speaker 5: talking about the lettuce to think that that's a viable outcome,
Speaker 5: I'm not saying you do. So you're right, of course
Speaker 5: that the problem is beyond sin sin war. The hope
Speaker 5: is that you can kind of get people in Gaza
Speaker 5: to say, you know, this is not working for us,
Speaker 5: and it's not working for the Gazas they're suffering terribly
Speaker 5: as a result of this. Yeah, hope somehow was that
Speaker 5: my great?
Speaker 3: Great questions? I want to get one more end though,
Speaker 3: man take Thank you very much, good question. It's something
Speaker 3: we should be thinking about. But guess what, I don't
Speaker 3: think Israel has a choice. I think, however, whenever the
Speaker 3: next time you see that game, do you ever.
Speaker 2: See that game?
Speaker 9: Michael understands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you ever see that game Whack a Mole? Where
Speaker 3: you're you're using it? It's okay, simple as that. Thanks Mike,
Speaker 3: gotta got go Jeff and Waldam. Jeff, I only got
Speaker 3: about a minute for you, but I want to get
Speaker 3: you in here.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. You're on with Jeff Robins.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'll try to leave beef loosen then you know, Jeff,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm a peace loving person appalled at any civilian casualties. However,
Speaker 4: I do look at the situation this way, and I
Speaker 4: wonder if you do too, mister Robbins, is it not
Speaker 4: true that in face of the Iranian attempted attack on Israel,
Speaker 4: irrespective of the success of it. I mean that represents
Speaker 4: a unprovoked for two of his aggressed Okay, uh, in
Speaker 4: terms of intent whatever, Ye? Yeah, absolutely exactly exactly. Would
Speaker 4: you agree that in faith of that kind of attack,
Speaker 4: appeasement politics in the final analysis would be more escalatory. Okay?
Speaker 4: Then then then, Jeff, I think I.
Speaker 2: Think we got you. I think we got the question.
Speaker 3: And Jeff Robbins only got about forty five seconds or
Speaker 3: thirty seconds left to answer it. And I'm agreeing with Jeff,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure you with both jeffs go ahead, Jeff,
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 5: Israel didn't ask for October seventh, they didn't ask for
Speaker 5: the nine thousand, ten thousand rockets from Isabelah thereafter. But
Speaker 5: as Dan said, they just don't have a choice. They
Speaker 5: don't have the luxury of basically saying, I really do
Speaker 5: hope this doesn't happen again, particularly when those in question
Speaker 5: Amas and his Balla are saying, oh, yeah, it's going
Speaker 5: to happen again. It's going to keep happening.
Speaker 4: So basically because in prospect appeasement serves that's relation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you hit the nail right in the head,
Speaker 3: Jeff and Waltam. I appreciate your call, but we're.
Speaker 1: Flat out of top Okay, Jeff Robin.
Speaker 3: You're welcome, Jeff, Jeff Robbins, thank you very much. Let's
Speaker 3: see what happens next. But I think that Israel has
Speaker 3: never had a better opportunity to settle this situation, and
Speaker 3: it maybe not settle it forever, but settle it down
Speaker 3: in the next few days.
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens.
Speaker 5: Dan, I agree, and thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we will talk sooner, my friend, when we come back,
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about an interview that Vice President
Speaker 3: Harris participated in yesterday.
Speaker 2: I watched it. I'd love to know your reaction too,
Speaker 2: because I have some thoughts back after the eleven o'clock
Speaker 2: news here on Nightside.