WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:05.879 With on Boston's. 2 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:11.720 Big news out of the Middle East. UH. 3 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:18.160 In Israel today, the IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces have 4 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:25.480 killed yesterday apparently Yaya Sinoir. He's the head of the 5 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:30.559 Hamas military wing. For all intents and purposes, was the 6 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:36.640 ruler of Gaza, because Gaza is ruled by Hamas. Just 7 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:46.000 the latest in a string of military victories by the. 8 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:46.320 Forces, the military forces of Israel. 9 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:47.159 UH. 10 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:52.359 They're the list of names of individuals that have been 11 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:56.280 taken out and taken out almost an asurgical fashion. 12 00:00:57.320 --> 00:00:58.799 I think that that. 13 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:03.280 Israel may have been a little fortunate in getting sinhwar, 14 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:07.359 but we'll find out more about that with our guest. 15 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:12.959 But they took out the head of Hesbalah just recently, 16 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:17.319 Hassan Israla. He was at a meeting and if I'm 17 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:23.120 not mistaken, in a southern suburb of Beirut, Israel, just 18 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:28.239 a couple of weeks ago, had that brilliant plan to 19 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:35.719 have pages, pagers, UH and cell phones explode on members 20 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:40.959 of Hesbelah. That how Israel is able to do some 21 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:49.280 of this? Now they have Iran waiting waiting for poised 22 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.959 for the next attack with US as a friend of 23 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.239 this program for many years. Jeff robbins. He's a lawyer 24 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:59.000 with Saul Ewing in Boston. He has represented the Clinton 25 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:04.280 administration at the United Nations in New York. He has 26 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.599 been the head of the Anti Defamation League, and he's 27 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.199 been a guest in his program. He's also a syndicated 28 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:15.639 columnist that appears in the Boston Herald generally every Tuesday. Jeff, 29 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.159 welcome back to Night's Side. This is a night when 30 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:23.759 Israel is truly on a role here. This is all 31 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:28.719 good news for people who are looking to eliminate terrorism 32 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.639 and the leaders of terrorism in the Middle East. 33 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:34.199 Well, Dan, first of all, thank you so much for 34 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:36.439 having me and once again for shining a light on 35 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:40.639 this really god awful situation that has been foisted on 36 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:44.960 Israel and also foisted on the people of Gaza by 37 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:50.360 some just wretched people. Remember it only ends up in 38 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:52.800 the nineteenth paragraph of the New York Times. But this 39 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:58.479 all started when six thousand Amas gunman organized masterminded by Sinwar, 40 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:04.759 breached the border, invaded Israel and deliberately set about slaughtering, raping, 41 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.879 burning to death, blowing apart as many Israelis as they could, 42 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:14.199 kidnapping two hundred and fifty massacring twelve hundred the proportional 43 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:16.840 equivalent by the way of about you know, I don't know, 44 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:21.520 forty thousand Americans within a couple of hours, and then 45 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:24.120 joined the next day by Hezbollah in the North. And 46 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:28.039 it's one hundred and fifty thousand rockets firing rockets at 47 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:32.240 Israeli civilians in support of that slaughter. That's where all 48 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.680 this began. And as you point out, it's a significant 49 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.719 day in the Middle East because the mastermind of all 50 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.560 this has now been brought to justice in the same 51 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.400 way that you know, we were eventually fortunate enough and 52 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.840 skilled enough to bring Osama bin Laden to an end. 53 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:52.080 Well, it was interesting. 54 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.159 I saw the video tonight on one of the network newscasts, 55 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.719 the drone video of this guy sitting alone. It looked 56 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:05.080 like the third floor of a building in Gaza, and 57 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:10.039 he obviously had been wounded. The Israeli IDF went in. 58 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:12.280 I'm sure there was a firefight and they finished him off, 59 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:17.480 and they were able to positively identify him through DNA 60 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:22.680 and dental records as the mastermind. And I thought he 61 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.040 was correct me if I'm wrong, was he not the 62 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.279 lead negotiator through all of this for Hamas, and he 63 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:32.920 was the one who would always turn down any offers 64 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:37.040 of a settlement or any offers of a He kept 65 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:41.040 moving the goalpost on anything that Israel offered in terms 66 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:41.800 of a ceasefire. 67 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:46.399 This is an evil, evil guy, completely evil. He called 68 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:50.000 the shots on September seventh, and he called the shots 69 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:55.160 ever since. And he calculated before October seventh and thereafter 70 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:59.120 that it was only a matter of time before the 71 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.199 international commit unity, the UN, the ed Marquis and Iana 72 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:07.639 Presleys of the world would pressure would succeed in bringing 73 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.800 pressure on the Israeli government to back down to withdraw. 74 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:18.079 Of course, Netnyahu was faced with huge pressure internally, justifiably 75 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:22.000 understandably by people who wanted the hostages brought back. The 76 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:27.319 calculation was that this day would never occur. The calculation was, frankly, 77 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:31.720 that probably November one of last year would never occur, 78 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.240 that by then Israel would have been forced to withdraw 79 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:37.399 and let Hamastri group as it had in the past. 80 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:41.360 But he was an evil man. I see that. You know, 81 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:45.519 our friends, the students and Justice for Justice in Palestine 82 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.399 leis at Boston University here in Boston, have just issued 83 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:52.399 a proclamation saying this is a declaration of war. So 84 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:54.439 it shows you is you and I have discussed so 85 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.680 many times that there has been a disease. There's a 86 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.279 disease that has spread in support of this kind of thing, 87 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:02.600 and God knows how we deal with that. 88 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.720 Well, I would like to see those students at Boston 89 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:10.319 University go over to Gaza UH and sign up for 90 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:14.319 Hamas UH and and become warriors for the cause and 91 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:16.920 let them deal with the IDEF on a one to 92 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:19.879 one basis and see how they go. It's real easy 93 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:24.759 for them to be over here signing petitions UH. And 94 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:28.600 you know, if they really believe in the cause, go 95 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:29.759 over and support. 96 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:30.639 Them and deal with them. 97 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:34.199 Yeah, sorry about that. Never mind dealing with the IDEF. 98 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:37.959 How about dealing with Hamas. Because one of the aspects 99 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.240 of this whole thing in the last year, which would 100 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:42.720 be laughable but for the fact that it's so serious, 101 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.480 is you have people who hold themselves out as progressives 102 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.439 embracing an organization that would throw them off a roof 103 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:50.399 in an at a second. 104 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:53.600 Yes, well, we've talked about that, and I just thought 105 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.279 that if that, if that, if they're if they're shedding 106 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.279 tears tonight for Sinoa. 107 00:06:59.120 --> 00:06:59.360 Gee. 108 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:05.279 You know, I don't know. It's it's so frustrating and maddening. Frankly, Jeff, 109 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:08.199 I want to continue to talk about this, and I 110 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:13.240 want to open up a couple of areas. One kudos 111 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:19.120 to Benjamin Yahoo. He has stood strong in this situation, 112 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:23.040 with with criticism from those on his left at home 113 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:28.279 and certainly criticism from some of the international community. And 114 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:33.680 I really think that this is a modern day Winston Churchill. 115 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:36.160 I know you're not a huge fan of net and 116 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:38.959 Yahoo on an on a number of issues, but he 117 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.920 has withstood the crucible here and it just may be 118 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.519 that he is going to take Israel to a place 119 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:48.639 that it that it has never been uh in the 120 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.639 in the next few months, where they may be able 121 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:58.399 to really I think UH play offense and and basically 122 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:00.879 put the bad guy back on the heels. 123 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:02.160 Do you buy that theory at all? 124 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:03.079 I do. 125 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.079 I have to agree with you. You're right. I have been 126 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:08.319 critical of him over the judicial overhaul thing and the 127 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:12.199 composition of some of his government, but by God, he 128 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.319 has withstood pressure in a way that you can't think 129 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.199 of anybody who would withstand that kind of pressure. From 130 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:23.279 our administration, from the un from people within Israel, from 131 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:26.680 all over the place, and you are right, he has 132 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.600 you know, prevailed, and of course his popularity in Israel 133 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:32.440 is going to skyrocket accordingly. 134 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.799 Well, take a quick break. My guest is Jeff Robbins. 135 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.399 If you'd like to join the conversation, ask a question, 136 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:43.639 make a comment. I truly believe that what has happened 137 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:48.080 in the last few weeks, when taken together, it is 138 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:52.919 an incredible step I believe towards peace. I think that 139 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:55.559 at this point, the only deal, the only way, that 140 00:08:55.879 --> 00:09:00.200 the only option that who had had was to do 141 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.799 what has now been accomplished by the brilliance, frankly of 142 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:08.159 the the Israeli military. And maybe there's been some help 143 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.759 from the US along the way. We're never going to 144 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:16.879 probably acknowledge that publicly. But this, when I saw that 145 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.480 news today, I thought this was one of the I 146 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:21.639 thought Simwa was one of the guys who was hold 147 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:29.039 up in one of the top level hotels in one 148 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:35.279 of the wealthy Arab Emirate countries. I did not realize 149 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.360 that he was still in the tunnels of Gaza. We'll 150 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:42.120 get to all of that. Feel free to join the conversation. 151 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:44.399 This is a night to celebrate Israel. If you want 152 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:46.120 to be critical, if you want to ask a tough 153 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.720 question and can keep it civil, we can do that too. 154 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.600 Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, six, one, seven, 155 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.320 nine thirty Coming right back on night Side. 156 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.799 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 157 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:01.120 night Side Studios on wb SEE News Radio. 158 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:04.840 My guest is Jeff Robbins. 159 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:10.039 Jeff knows the Middle East as well as any American 160 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:16.279 that I know. Jeff, your opinion, what happens next? Obviously, 161 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.480 this this is not the end, but it does. It 162 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:24.159 does it put pressure on not only Hezbollah and Hamas, 163 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:30.600 but also Iran to recognize that Israel is not going 164 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.320 to back down. And Israel is at this point they 165 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:38.120 have the momentum with them. Uh, and and is the 166 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:40.559 time now for Iran to call off the dogs? 167 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:47.200 So it's the it's the contest between rationality and even 168 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:53.919 self interest on one hand and insane genocidal jihadism on 169 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:57.519 the other. Uh, what what to take first? Well, in 170 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:03.399 Iran and its proxies you have in genocidal jihadism, that's 171 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.799 the fact, there's no point sugarcoating it. On other hand, 172 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.600 as you suggest, a rational view of the world would 173 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:14.440 suggest to Iran that the calculation that they and his 174 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:18.799 Bollah and Hamas, whom they of course control, that they 175 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:23.799 made that that Israel would be forced, coerced, pressed into 176 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:28.679 withdrawing and letting letting a win emerge in the in 177 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:32.399 the the bad Guy's column that that has not worked. 178 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:38.320 That Israel has decimated Hamas's military forces, it has decimated 179 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:44.440 his Bolah's leadership and to a considerable degree, its military forces. Apparently, 180 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.720 according to the reports, two thirds of his Bolah's missile supply, 181 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:51.799 which is pretty extensive, have been supplied. And now Iran 182 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.000 is just waiting to get hit. And it's a question 183 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:59.559 of where, where, and when. So rationality would dictate that 184 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.240 Iran would say, uh, this is not going well. 185 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:04.159 Uh. 186 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:08.919 And and and Israel, far from being cowed is now 187 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:14.320 let's face it, really oxygenated and and and incentivized to 188 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:18.000 finish the job. Uh. So we'll see what happens over 189 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:19.960 the next couple of weeks. 190 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:25.320 I believe that Netanya, who has has what's been reported, 191 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.279 has said to President Biden that he will not hit 192 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.399 Iran's oil industry. 193 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:32.240 Uh. 194 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.440 And it seems as if the stock market here in 195 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:39.639 America has been somewhat relieved at that decision. But he 196 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:44.919 will hit their military assets, maybe maybe even strike at 197 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:49.200 their nuclear facilities. Do you think either of both of 198 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.759 those are on the table and that Israel has the 199 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:56.559 capacity to do significant damage to Iran in its backyard? 200 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:03.679 Well, a, they absolutely have the capacity to do significant damage. 201 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.639 For one thing, Iran has no air force, and the 202 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.759 Israelis have a remarkable air force. For another thing, Israel's 203 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:18.679 intelligence capacity and technological capacity far exceeds anything the Iranians have. 204 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:23.000 Think about for example, what Israel was able to do 205 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:25.960 in April and then again this year, and of course 206 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.279 the attack that they pulled off in Tehran against a 207 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:35.480 Massa's leader. Whether or not, I'm sure that net Yahoo 208 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:38.240 is under withering pressure from the Biden administration to do 209 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:42.440 nothing which disturbs things so badly that it throws the 210 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:46.679 vice president's election prospects out of whack. And of course, 211 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.639 something which caused oil prices to go high or which 212 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:52.840 affected the stock market generally would fall in that category. 213 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:55.600 But Israel has this problem, right, I mean, this is 214 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:58.720 not what they asked for. They didn't ask for. October sixth, 215 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.039 They didn't ask for October rate or the last year. 216 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.639 They didn't ask for what Iran has done. They've been 217 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:06.559 warning about it and warning about it and warning about it. 218 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:08.840 And now you know, I'm sure there are a lot 219 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.600 of people in Israel's military establishment, not to speak of that. 220 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.600 Yahou himself were saying, why would we take our foot 221 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:16.559 off the gas? 222 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:22.159 Now you know this is this is the time to finish, 223 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:23.240 finish it. 224 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:28.960 And then the question is, look Iran, as I understand that, 225 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:33.120 and if I'm wrong, please correct me. Iran was was 226 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:37.720 very concerned, very concerned that Saudi Arabia was close to 227 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.039 becoming a signatory to the Abraham Accords UH, and and 228 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:47.639 that that is what has prompted in some part UH, 229 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:48.960 what Iran has done. 230 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:52.440 Here. Is it possible for. 231 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:57.519 The Biden administration in the waning days of the waning 232 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:02.080 weeks of its administration, can be Abe pull Saudi Arabia 233 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.919 because of the success of Israeli or into some sort 234 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:10.120 of an agreement and basically extend the Abraham Accords beyond 235 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.519 where the Trump administration got them or is that not 236 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:15.200 likely a possibility? 237 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:17.960 No, I think it's a very real possibility by all accounts. 238 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:22.600 Saudi Arabia was moving steadily in that direction before October seventh, 239 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.919 and that that was explicitly a consideration on the part 240 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.480 of Iran, Iran and its proxies to try to stop 241 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.519 that from happening. Now, you know, in the Middle East, 242 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:34.799 as in other places, but particularly in the Middle East, 243 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.360 power and success mean a very great deal if you're 244 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:41.639 Saudi Arabia and some of these other states. You see 245 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.000 Israel in the last couple of months, having wiped the 246 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:49.679 floor with Hamas and his ballah and having you know, 247 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:53.039 Donald putting Iran at risk, Well see what happens over 248 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:55.440 the next days and weeks of getting hit pretty badly. 249 00:15:55.919 --> 00:16:01.919 So Saudi Arabia is going to be incentivized to move forward, 250 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:04.639 it seems to me in that direction, the direction that 251 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.480 you identify. It was there, it was going there anyway. 252 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.519 It now sees Israel as ascendant for the moment in 253 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.360 terms of this military effort which began as an act 254 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.000 of self defense. And so you could very well see 255 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.600 that kind of inducement to Saudi Arabia to say, okay, 256 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.120 let me move even further, to let us move even 257 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:28.200 further down the field toward that kind of reproach Mond 258 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:31.759 with formal reproach Mond with Israel. 259 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.320 Now, I know that whenever you talk Saudi Arabia or 260 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:38.720 you talk about us being involved with Saudi Arabia, there's 261 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.080 a chorus and a legitimate course of people who will 262 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.279 remind us of what happened in October twenty eighteen, the 263 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:50.080 murder by Saudi government, whether or not it goes all 264 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:51.639 the way up to the head of the government of 265 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:55.759 Jamal Kashogi, and there was a lot of attention paid 266 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:01.200 to that and the response of of the Saudi Arabian 267 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:04.400 government what happened to him when he entered the embassy 268 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:09.240 in Turkey. Yet, on the other hand, if we can 269 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:14.519 somehow now by having a relationship of some sort with 270 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:20.640 Saudi Arabia which brings Israel into a relationship with Saudi 271 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:25.079 Arabia that is going to further isolate Iran, there will 272 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.000 be those who in the next few weeks are going 273 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:28.920 to say, no, no, no, we can't get to we 274 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.640 can't get involved with Saudi Arabia because of the memory 275 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:37.000 of Jamal Koshogi, which is which is a legitimate instinct. 276 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.279 But when you talk about the comparison evil of Saudi 277 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.839 Arabia and Iran, and what those two countries, the potential 278 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:48.240 for someone some good or the potential for nuclear annihilation. 279 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.559 It's not it's not a difficult call from where I'm sitting. 280 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.920 You probably look at it a little differently. I'd love 281 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:58.240 to make the argument, if you will, that that maybe 282 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:01.759 we want to stay away from Saudi Arabia. 283 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:03.839 Now I look at it the same way that you do. 284 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.319 I mean, of course they're a parent, they're apart, But 285 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.200 as you point out, you know, when you weigh that 286 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:14.720 abhorrent regime and relationships with you know, with an apparrent 287 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:19.599 regime against the virtue, the good, the benefit of trying 288 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:24.359 to avoid an inferno in the Middle East, an inferno 289 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:28.680 which could easily consume the entire world given the alliance 290 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:34.519 among Iran, North Korea and Russia. I like you think 291 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:35.359 it's a no brainer. 292 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.799 My guest is Jeff Robbins. We're going to go to 293 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:40.200 phone calls right after the break. 294 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.640 Your thoughts on what is going on and the possibilities 295 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:47.359 that now exist which maybe didn't exist a month ago, 296 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:51.839 maybe didn't even exist a week ago. I think there's 297 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.160 an opportunity here that should be seized. Karpe DM six 298 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:58.119 one seven, two, five four to ten thirty six one seven, 299 00:18:58.240 --> 00:18:59.319 nine thirty. 300 00:18:59.400 --> 00:18:59.960 My name is Dan. 301 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.960 This is Nightside. This is a night when good has 302 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.759 triumphed over evil. Despite what these students for Palestine for 303 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.160 Justice and Palistine want to. 304 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:11.920 Believe, they're wrong. 305 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:17.319 Israel has done what it needed to do and they 306 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:20.319 did not want to kill innocent civilians along the way. 307 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:24.039 Innocent civilians had been killed along the way, that is 308 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:27.559 as a consequence of the war that Hamas initiated on 309 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.240 October seventh, twenty twenty three. 310 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.640 Back on Night's Side, right after the news break. 311 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:40.480 It's Nightside with Dan Ray Boston's news Radio. 312 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:45.359 My guess is Jeff Robbins unbelievable to think that October 313 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:49.759 seventh is now just about I guess what a year 314 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:54.319 and a few days ago in Israel, who was really 315 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:57.319 in tough shape a year and a few days ago, 316 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:02.319 has tonight now wiped out most, if not all, of 317 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:07.000 the leadership of Hamas and has Belah, and they now 318 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:09.839 have an opportunity to turn their sights on around. Let's 319 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:12.759 see what people have to say. If you agree, great, 320 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:15.240 If you disagree, that's fine too. Let's have a conversation 321 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:19.319 on nights side. Let me go first this hour to 322 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:23.480 Tom checking in for the Philippines. Tom, a Boston guy 323 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.119 who's located in the Philippines, what do you think of 324 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.000 what went on in the last twenty four hours in 325 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:31.799 Gaza in Israel. 326 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:39.440 Tom, That's wonderful what the IDF did. And I have 327 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:44.799 no problem with them taking out leadership of Hamas and 328 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:48.039 has Blah, you know, and if they can do it 329 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:53.839 with one shot, one kill, even better because no collateral damage. 330 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:57.359 But Dan, you had this topic about a week ago 331 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:01.279 on your program and I called in. Young man spoke 332 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:04.440 earlier to me earlier in the program to me a 333 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.480 call of previous. His name is Tristan, and you asked 334 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:12.160 them the question on October seventh, would those Hamas terrorists 335 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:14.960 would they have gone if they had the ability to 336 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.440 go further on to Israel and continue slaughtering Israelis that 337 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:23.200 were jewsed in Israel. He refused to answer the question. 338 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.240 And he is one of those people that Okay, well, 339 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:30.319 I have a great memory too. And the point being 340 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:37.519 is that with these apologists for the Palestinians, they always 341 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:41.359 make it about Israel's trying to commit a genocide. I 342 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.920 don't believe that at all, and that the issue is 343 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:50.160 is that Hamas hides in schools, hospitals and they're using 344 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:54.279 human shields the same way Saddam Hussein did in the 345 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:58.440 First Gulf War. And at some point you just have 346 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.039 to take the horse blows off and understand that you 347 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:05.000 know something. This is not a black and white issue. 348 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.960 It's very gray. But the reality is with the people 349 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:14.119 in Israel as you have a huge percentage of people 350 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:19.519 that are their neighbors. Not all, but there's a significant 351 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:23.440 percentage that want Israel wiped off the face of the earth. 352 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:27.880 And the biggest threat is Iran. And I don't ever 353 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:32.160 understand why Obama allowed them to have a ten year 354 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:37.559 window to develop a nuclear weapon, because, as Maya Angelou 355 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:42.400 once said, when somebody tells you who they are, believe them, 356 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:46.640 and ever since the Iranian Revolution of seventy nine, that 357 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:52.400 every time they have a massive protest, it's death to America, 358 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:55.759 death to Israel. And I have no doubt that if 359 00:22:55.839 --> 00:23:00.680 Iran ever detonates a nuclear weapon, they will launch one 360 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:02.960 into Israel. They're not going to launch one into the 361 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:06.880 United States, they know that suicide, but they will do 362 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:08.920 that to Israel and I would like to hear what 363 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.839 your guest has to say on that topic. I will listen. 364 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:14.400 Stay right there, go ahead, Jess. 365 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.319 Well, first of all, I mean I agree with virtually 366 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:21.880 everything that Tom said. The only nuance is on there's 367 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.279 plenty of gray in the history of the Middle East 368 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.559 and the history of the conflict on this on what 369 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.960 has happened in the last year. However, in my view, 370 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:34.440 there is something which is awfully close to black and white. 371 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:40.279 Not one of those Gozins had to die, not one 372 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:42.240 of the Israelis had to die, Not one of the 373 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:45.759 Palestinians in Gaza had to die. Everyone died as a 374 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:50.759 result of a deliberate decision to slaughter as many Jews 375 00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:53.319 as possible. And the caller is right. Tom's right. This 376 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:59.079 wasn't just Sinowar. There were six thousand armed gunmen that 377 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:04.480 broke in to Israel, executing everybody in sight. Six thousand 378 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.640 and we all remember the calls back, the gleeful calls 379 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:12.599 back to their parents, mom, dad in Arabic, I killed 380 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.000 this many Jews, God bless you, my son, and all 381 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:17.200 the rest of it. We saw the sheers and the 382 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:22.119 throngs and the celebrations as Israeli bodies were carried back 383 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:29.680 into Gaza. There is a sickness, and it's really a 384 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:34.920 horrific situation. But I agree with the caller that blinders 385 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.839 have to come off. They have not come off in 386 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:42.319 certain quarters, which is a puzzlement. You would think that 387 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:48.000 the deliberate slaughter of people would be pretty clear, even 388 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.559 to students for Justice in Palestine on campuses, but unfortunately, 389 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.319 as Tom says, it's not clear everywhere, and so the 390 00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.680 three of us on this call right now spend a 391 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:02.359 lot of time shaking our heads and worse. 392 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:08.559 Yeah, Tom points, yep, thank you. 393 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:13.519 I appreciate that, and he is right. October seventh was 394 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:16.000 a black and white issue. I stand corrected on that. 395 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:19.440 Thank you, Sir Shalom. Thanks to take care. 396 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:20.640 Thank you much. 397 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:24.759 Let me go to lou Is in West roxfor a 398 00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:27.079 little closer to home. Lou Next on Nightside with Jeff 399 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:28.319 Robins Luga right ahead. 400 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.160 Yeah, Jeff's good to talk to you. I don't agree 401 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:36.000