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Speaker 1: has has been suspended three games for shoving a columnist,
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell what's the closest you ever came to shoving
Speaker 1: a columnist?
Speaker 2: Actually, there, I am, Hello, Scott.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 4: I never I never shoved a columnist. Oh yeah, there
Speaker 4: were some guys. I don't know if I should say this, Spence.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, we're here.
Speaker 1: You got to say it now, go ahead, Just just
Speaker 1: don't even think about it.
Speaker 2: Just say it.
Speaker 4: This is bad, Okay, this is really bad. So there
Speaker 4: was a guy. Let's say, the Detroit media was kind
Speaker 4: of for They were brutal and they still are, and
Speaker 4: this guy was one of the most brutal. And uh
Speaker 4: yeah he was. So I'm having hard time saying this.
Speaker 4: I'll just say I don't care.
Speaker 2: There you go. Not a boy. He died that escalated.
Speaker 4: And he was young when he died. And this was
Speaker 4: after I had left Detroit. I can't say that I
Speaker 4: shed many tears.
Speaker 2: It got that, it got that tough.
Speaker 3: Uh it was. It was the I have. My mom
Speaker 3: was amazing.
Speaker 4: She kept every every every newspaper article, everything.
Speaker 2: Good and bad, oh all of it.
Speaker 4: So so my whole entire career is documented and and
Speaker 4: the books. When I go through Detroit, I can just
Speaker 4: open the book, look at the picture, and go did
Speaker 4: we win or lose. If we lost, it was a
Speaker 4: crumpled picture of me being, you know, mauled by the defenders.
Speaker 4: And if we won, it was this pristine picture of
Speaker 4: Barry Sanders.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so Barry got all the love.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, of course, and and he was great and
Speaker 4: he deserved it. But you know, it would have been
Speaker 4: nice to just every once in a while have a
Speaker 4: picture where, Okay, you know, we won this game and
Speaker 4: they showed something good.
Speaker 3: They were they're not they were not having it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes I I'll chuckle a little
Speaker 1: bit if I hear one of our local teams or
Speaker 1: PR people talk about the press in Salt Lake. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what cause I you know, I grew up in the
Speaker 1: New York market, sure, watching my father get beat up
Speaker 1: every day by the thirteen daily periodicals and the six
Speaker 1: sportstock radio stations.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we have so many soft people here, so
Speaker 2: many babies. I go, did you hear what they said
Speaker 2: about us on the reading? Did you hear what Gordon
Speaker 2: Monson wrote? I'm like, are you kidding?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't survive for five minutes anywhere other than Salt Lake,
Speaker 1: you cake, It's just ridiculous. But anyway, rant over Scott,
Speaker 1: when we last spoke to you about thirty thirty five.
Speaker 2: Minutes ago, I said to you, off fair, I said, look,
Speaker 2: when I.
Speaker 1: Listened to Brandon Rose talked to the media yesterday, it
Speaker 1: sounded like a kid.
Speaker 2: Who thought he was going to start. And you referenced
Speaker 2: you had some clues after listening to Coach Wit. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Coach Witting and I don't have personal information.
Speaker 4: You know, this is just speculation. It's reading the tea leaves.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of the nuances of voices. And one
Speaker 4: of the things Coach Whitting him is he's a very
Speaker 4: honest man, so he wants to answer the questions truthfully.
Speaker 4: But he's also you know, he understands gamemanship and and
Speaker 4: and you know, if you look at the visiting locker
Speaker 4: room at right Cycle Stadium, you'll see that they're very
Speaker 4: much into we're not giving anything to our opponent. I mean,
Speaker 4: the locker is just it's a joke. It's uncomfortable. So
Speaker 4: any way he can get an advantage, and so not
Speaker 4: telling anyone who the starter is is part of that
Speaker 4: advantage that that he kind of that's his mantra.
Speaker 3: That's what he does.
Speaker 4: But he was He was very clear to me about
Speaker 4: if Isaac Wilson was a starter, and Isaac Wilson has
Speaker 4: been the starter, I don't think. I don't think. I
Speaker 4: don't think that. I think he would have just come
Speaker 4: out and said that. But he said, we have a plan,
Speaker 4: we know what we're doing, yep. And and I really
Speaker 4: think that was And for that, I think, you know
Speaker 4: it was it was Brandon Rose because I felt and
Speaker 4: I go, just go watch the film and I can
Speaker 4: sit down with you and I can show you the
Speaker 4: film and I can show you the difference. And and
Speaker 4: Brandon Rose really impressed me, like way through the ball
Speaker 4: went he through the ball, the decisions, he was just
Speaker 4: very decisive, he was very comfortable.
Speaker 3: It's never this was just Houston. Yeah, and he hasn't played.
Speaker 4: Look, I understand he hasn't played much, but he didn't
Speaker 4: walk walk into cam Rising, hadn't played much, and he
Speaker 4: steps in the game against San Diego State and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, it's like it was different. And that's
Speaker 4: what I saw with Brandon Rose. And I understand, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a small sample, but a very small sample that
Speaker 4: kind of gave me some encouragement now, Isaac Isaac Wilson.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not like against Isaac Wilson. I'm not
Speaker 4: down on Isaac Wilson. He's young and and and you
Speaker 4: can see that that maturity level is just really hard
Speaker 4: for for a young guy to really go through the
Speaker 4: whole season and mentally be there. If you've ever been
Speaker 4: through a football season, let me tell you how it is.
Speaker 4: It's a grind. It wears on you mentally, it wears
Speaker 4: on you physically. They're they're a month into football before
Speaker 4: they ever play a game. Coach Whittingham is not a
Speaker 4: he you know, you want to talk about tough media,
Speaker 4: He's a tough coach. His camps camp Kyle is not
Speaker 4: for the light, you know that the timid and and
Speaker 4: uh and so just that grind of going through all
Speaker 4: of that is is a tough thing. And that's what
Speaker 4: makes these teams, you know, tough during during the season.
Speaker 4: And and he and it's it's it's who he is,
Speaker 4: it's what he is. But when you have a young
Speaker 4: quarterback he's trying to figure out things, it's just it's
Speaker 4: just hard to to it's hard to almost breathe. You know,
Speaker 4: you just feel like it feel like you're you're swimming.
Speaker 4: To some degree. I haven't seen from Isaac any growth.
Speaker 4: You know, you want to see that turjectory, and it's
Speaker 4: just been flat, if like dipping. You know, the game,
Speaker 4: you know, every game just looks like the same the
Speaker 4: same game, and so there hasn't there. There just hasn't
Speaker 4: been anything. And so it just just tells me he's
Speaker 4: still young, still still learning, still trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: So I feel like Scott, if Utah is gonna win
Speaker 1: this football game, because the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: they have not scored more than twenty three points against
Speaker 1: the P four team. Right They hung forty nine on
Speaker 1: Southern Youth, they hung thirty eight on Utah State. But
Speaker 1: they're high as twenty three against Baylor, twenty two against
Speaker 1: Okay State, and then it's been ten nineteen, seven, fourteen,
Speaker 1: it feels like if Utah's going to win this game,
Speaker 1: and as you outlined earlier, there's no data that indicates
Speaker 1: Utah is the better football team.
Speaker 2: But this game is weird. It always is.
Speaker 1: So it feels like if Utah's going to win, it
Speaker 1: has to be like seventeen fourteen or something. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you anticipate coach Witt trying to really slow it
Speaker 1: down and Ryde McKay as much as you can and
Speaker 1: try to keep rets laugh off the field, Like.
Speaker 2: How did you?
Speaker 1: I guess the better way to ask it is, how
Speaker 1: does Utah win this football game?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: I think this offense when you saw Cam Rising in
Speaker 4: the game was actually explosive when he was healthy, not
Speaker 4: when he came back court. And I don't know how
Speaker 4: good this offense. I know this players are good, they're talented.
Speaker 4: They lost money Parks. That hurts because he's a deep threat,
Speaker 4: and he's a legitimate deep threat. So you just haven't
Speaker 4: I've seen a quarterback back there that can really, you know,
Speaker 4: take this offense out of second gear, you know, and
Speaker 4: like let's get it out there and let's really see
Speaker 4: what happens. I think there's the potential of the offense
Speaker 4: being explosive, and I'm really curious to see what Brandon
Speaker 4: Rose could do with that.
Speaker 1: You still feel like there's an explosive offensive performance left
Speaker 1: on this roster.
Speaker 4: There's just too much talent at the skill position, with
Speaker 4: the tight ends, with the wide receivers that it's just
Speaker 4: been inexperienced quarterback play and in an injured quarterback play,
Speaker 4: And to me, the quarterbacks in college football make a
Speaker 4: huge difference. I mean it's been a difference for BYU,
Speaker 4: it's been a difference for every team in the country
Speaker 4: that's doing well as you have an electrifying, game changing
Speaker 4: quarterback and you just have to have that, and Utah
Speaker 4: hasn't had it.
Speaker 3: I think Utah's defense has done an.
Speaker 2: Exceptional job this year, for sure.
Speaker 4: But you've got to have you know, I don't think
Speaker 4: seventeen points. I don't think having a defensive battle. I
Speaker 4: don't think it wins the game for you. I think
Speaker 4: you've got to You've got to be explosive. You've got
Speaker 4: to be in the high twenties to maybe thirty points
Speaker 4: if you're gonna have any shot in this game.
Speaker 3: If you're you're the offense.
Speaker 4: And we don't know Brandon Rose, we know what would
Speaker 4: happen if Isaacson, there's probably not gonna happen. But maybe
Speaker 4: you get a little explosive with Brandon Rose.
Speaker 2: Who do you think the best defense is the Utah
Speaker 2: have seen so far this year?
Speaker 4: You know, you know h Houston, Okay, Houston was actually
Speaker 4: they were and they were one of the one of
Speaker 4: the top.
Speaker 3: Defenses in the country. But here here's this is hard too.
Speaker 4: It's hard because every defense that plays Utah plays them
Speaker 4: a certain way, right, they load the box, they dare
Speaker 4: Utah to throw the football. I mean, I mean, oh,
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State did it, every Arizona did it. Arizona State
Speaker 4: did it, every single team except.
Speaker 2: Baylor because Cam was UNDERSTD Yeah, right.
Speaker 4: And they all they all just said, we're gonna crowd
Speaker 4: the box, We're gonna we're gonna be really aggressive, play
Speaker 4: down hill, and so you do a lot of run blitzer,
Speaker 4: so you get that early p So the run game
Speaker 4: just gets blown up because they don't don't care, like
Speaker 4: we'll throw caution to the win, because because you're consistently
Speaker 4: not going to beat us on the outside. And the
Speaker 4: defense has kept the offense in every game and Utah
Speaker 4: has done nothing, nothing to scare defenses out of that. Look,
Speaker 4: it's like every week I see the same I just
Speaker 4: see the same thing that's gonna happen. And and but
Speaker 4: but I really really thought of all the defenses that
Speaker 4: that probably the best was Houston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look they just be Case State.
Speaker 1: I mean, I asked the question because I look I
Speaker 1: was prior to.
Speaker 2: I would say the TCU loss.
Speaker 1: I was the radio host holding on to the final
Speaker 1: branch before I hit the ground, and it felt like
Speaker 1: everybody else's face was in the mud because prior to
Speaker 1: the TCU loss, everything was still on the table.
Speaker 2: You know, you can get in with two losses.
Speaker 1: You have a schedule with head to head with other
Speaker 1: teams in front of you, and now I just have
Speaker 1: to be honest. My optimism for any sort of explosive
Speaker 1: offensive performance Scott is not here today, which is why
Speaker 1: I pose the question, because it feels like if Utah
Speaker 1: is going to win John P's four and a score
Speaker 1: defense scores, they turn BYU over in a way they
Speaker 1: haven't turned anybody over all year. They're opportunistic, they get
Speaker 1: a special teams or a defensive touchdown and Brandon just
Speaker 1: doesn't turn it over and they cruise to some sort
Speaker 1: of seventeen to ten type victory. But there's a chance
Speaker 1: BYU's defense will be as tough of a defense that
Speaker 1: Utah's offense has ever seen. So based off your knowledge
Speaker 1: of defenses and how you've outlined the way teams are
Speaker 1: trying to play against Utah, we anticipate that it's Brandon
Speaker 1: so BYU's probably going to sell out to stop the
Speaker 1: run like everyone else has. You're Mike Bajakian. How do
Speaker 1: you take advantage of that defensive attack and scores score
Speaker 1: some points in a way that we haven't seen in
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 4: Well, for me, everything always starts at first down. I mean,
Speaker 4: you have to start there, and so you have to
Speaker 4: be willing to get explosive on early downs and the
Speaker 4: early part of a series. This is something about you
Speaker 4: get off to a good play, a good start in
Speaker 4: a drive, everything just and just flows. And and with
Speaker 4: a guy who can throw it down the field, a
Speaker 4: guy who's willing to throw it down the field.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And and the play action game is such a big
Speaker 4: part of what Utah has done in the past. It
Speaker 4: gives you those chunk plays. So there are some play
Speaker 4: action parts to to the offense that I would incorporate,
Speaker 4: But I would I would be willing to open it
Speaker 4: up on early downs and throw and throw the football.
Speaker 3: And I keep saying it.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm a broken record with this, but
Speaker 4: I mean, the tight ends have been so massively underutilized
Speaker 4: and there's there's just a lot of confidence building plays
Speaker 4: that tight ends bring to an offense that if you'll
Speaker 4: use it, they're there there and they're open, and they're
Speaker 4: just they're high percentage easy throws that they might be
Speaker 4: a seven or eight yard catch which turns into an
Speaker 4: eleven yard game, you know, if you throw it on
Speaker 4: time and you throw it accurately. Uh, those are the
Speaker 4: things you get. You've got to you've got to really
Speaker 4: break out of this extra guy in the box kind
Speaker 4: of thing, and you've got to try to be a
Speaker 4: little bit more explosive. The answer last week was, you know,
Speaker 4: early it was just like we're gonna throw screens. We're
Speaker 4: gonna and it worked once or twice, and and the
Speaker 4: bubble screens, you know, the one to Keithy work, but
Speaker 4: then the rest of the game, you know that it
Speaker 4: didn't work at all.
Speaker 3: But I just really think.
Speaker 4: Brandon Rose brings an element of being able to throw
Speaker 4: the ball down the field and his ability to actually
Speaker 4: run and run decisively when things aren't there. Maybe that
Speaker 4: key that kind of unlocks this offense just a little bit.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to something you referenced in
Speaker 1: our first hit to start the show, and just to
Speaker 1: throw a few names We talked about a few of
Speaker 1: these earlier. The Scott Mitchell's of the World, who in
Speaker 1: ninety eight goes for three eighty four and three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: The Eddie Johnson's of the World, the Mike McCoy's, the
Speaker 1: Jamal Anderson's, the Chris fu of Matzama Fala, the Brandon Warfields,
Speaker 1: the Steven Savoys, the Brett Rattle, the Brian Johnson's, the
Speaker 1: John Whites, the Joe Williams, the Brandon Burton for the block.
Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is you can be remembered
Speaker 1: as a legend with one great game against Brigham Young.
Speaker 1: But as you referenced, and if you pull up both
Speaker 1: to be fair, if you pull up both Utah and
Speaker 1: BYU's roster, you see players from California, Washington, Texas, Florida, Canada, California, Arizona,
Speaker 1: and I could keep going Kahucko. Obviously, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the percentage is. There's a good amount of players
Speaker 1: on both teams that did.
Speaker 2: Not grow up here.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say maybe back when you
Speaker 1: were playing, there was more of a local presence on
Speaker 1: both rosters generally speaking, So if you're coach with if
Speaker 1: you're obviously the coaching staffs from both teams know exactly
Speaker 1: what's at stake on Saturday. How do you get the
Speaker 1: message across from a to a kid from Rosenberg, Texas, Like, Dude,
Speaker 1: Saturday is different.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if you don't fully understand, but it just is.
Speaker 4: I think it's really hard. Again, I thought it would
Speaker 4: be one of the biggest challenges, one of the biggest
Speaker 4: concerns for Utah because they've been out, they haven't been
Speaker 4: conference foes for so long. And you can be from
Speaker 4: a different state, you can be from a different you know,
Speaker 4: part of the country, and and but if you've been
Speaker 4: conference foes for a while, that like it matters. I
Speaker 4: remember interviewing the players from USC and the PAC twelve
Speaker 4: media days and they're like, you know, do you like
Speaker 4: having that late season game against Notre Dame?
Speaker 3: You know, because it.
Speaker 4: Can really in there, like like we would never give that,
Speaker 4: Like that game means so much to us and so
Speaker 4: understanding and being in the thick of a rivalry that matters.
Speaker 4: I don't care where you're from, it it'll matter. Right now.
Speaker 4: These haven't been conference foes, and I think and for that,
Speaker 4: I think b Yu has a harder challenge because they
Speaker 4: have so much more to lose, you know, and so
Speaker 4: there's so much more pressure on on on and this
Speaker 4: guy there's like no pressure on Utah. It's just like
Speaker 4: the expectation for people is Utah is gonna lose this game,
Speaker 4: like like like the expectation is there is no expectation,
Speaker 4: and where with BYU, it's like, man, you better.
Speaker 3: Not lose it.
Speaker 4: You can't throw away this amazing season just by losing
Speaker 4: to them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's there's that pressure that's built in there,
Speaker 4: and that's when things get funny, you know, because then
Speaker 4: the players, you know, you play tight, you play you know,
Speaker 4: out of the like don't lose this game mentality, as
Speaker 4: opposed to let's go win the game mentality. And and
Speaker 4: that's when you start to see the mistakes. And that's
Speaker 4: where I think Utah has the advantage in this game
Speaker 4: is when is when the pressure really is all on
Speaker 4: on BYU to play well.
Speaker 1: So let's continue the quarterback conversation, but let's switch over
Speaker 1: to what you've seen from Jake Jake Rhetz laugh who
Speaker 1: last year in four starts, lost all four of them.
Speaker 1: And I watched every minute of those games. He made
Speaker 1: so many errors, not just the ones he paid for.
Speaker 1: He had throws that should have been picked off. He
Speaker 1: had fumbl that were covered by his own team.
Speaker 3: It was a.
Speaker 1: Comedy of errors of sorts. Obviously that kid put in
Speaker 1: some serious work. I was told that it really wasn't
Speaker 1: a QB competition. A Rod thought Jake had put in
Speaker 1: the work in the offseason. They'd seen enough raw potential.
Speaker 1: There are now to your point about Utah's defense. If
Speaker 1: you're a youth fan, here's why you should be relatively optimistic.
Speaker 2: The problem is Utah football.
Speaker 1: For everything you said about their d because most of
Speaker 1: the numbers indicate they're a top two or three d
Speaker 1: in conference except for two. They don't get to the
Speaker 1: quarterback and they don't force turnovers. But for all of
Speaker 1: Jake's brilliance this year, there are still three or four
Speaker 1: moments every game where you're like, that should have been
Speaker 1: picked Yeah, you should have paid for that. So he's
Speaker 1: been really good. I'm not knocking on it.
Speaker 2: But if your Utah's defense are those Jake, and.
Speaker 4: You go, well, we haven't turned the ball, we haven't
Speaker 4: got turnovers a lot, we haven't got to the quarterback
Speaker 4: percentages just say it will come inevitable, it's a but happen, right,
Speaker 4: And and a lot of it has been game situations.
Speaker 4: A lot of it's been a lot of teams have
Speaker 4: been really really conservative playing this Utah defense.
Speaker 3: They have not let the quarterbacks sit in the pocket.
Speaker 4: They haven't had to because you're not playing from behind,
Speaker 4: you're not, you know, So the the one element that
Speaker 4: and and that's on the offense. The offense doesn't put
Speaker 4: pressure on the other team's offense because we don't have
Speaker 4: to score because you guys suck right off. And so
Speaker 4: so those are a little misleading because I like a
Speaker 4: lot of what this defense is and what they've done.
Speaker 4: They've just been they've been in some really unfortunate tough situations.
Speaker 1: The meat and potato metrics are good. They're good against
Speaker 1: the run, they're good against the past.
Speaker 4: The good efficiency, yes, and and and under duress, because
Speaker 4: there have been a lot of three and outs. I
Speaker 4: mean eleven punts, you know, I think against TCU, and
Speaker 4: you just you get tired, you get worn down in
Speaker 4: a game, and it and it's hard to stay at
Speaker 4: that high level every single play, every single series. And
Speaker 4: that's why you see kind of these big plays that
Speaker 4: happen from time to time because someone just got tired
Speaker 4: and they just didn't quite get to their gap where
Speaker 4: they're supposed to be and that you know, that's just
Speaker 4: the product of just being tired. But yes, so so
Speaker 4: what what Jake reds Laugh has done is he's just
Speaker 4: made some plays at the right time, and he's made
Speaker 4: plays running the football. And but there's a little bit
Speaker 4: of I've lived on some borrowed time here, and that
Speaker 4: catches up with you eventually. You know, you you live
Speaker 4: by a certain way and you're gonna die by it eventually,
Speaker 4: because that's just that's just the way things are. And
Speaker 4: and I and that's to me, the pressure of this.
Speaker 4: You know, can you create enough pressure about this game?
Speaker 4: Can you put enough pressure on him to where you
Speaker 4: know he's gonna he's gonna give you a turnover? Because
Speaker 4: I think turnovers are going to be a huge part
Speaker 4: of this game. They always are, and and and I
Speaker 4: think a lot of it is because of that weirdness
Speaker 4: and that extra pressure that happens uh in this game.
Speaker 4: To me, it's about stopping him running more than it
Speaker 4: is stopping him throwing the foot and I think if
Speaker 4: you talk and do that, you know they're they're gonna
Speaker 4: have a chance.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: To me, I think your defense is gonna give you
Speaker 4: a chance no matter what. I think they're really going
Speaker 4: to give them a chance if they can do that.
Speaker 4: And and it's just can the offense produce enough? Can
Speaker 4: you find other opportunities? So maybe you play a little
Speaker 4: bit more aggressive on defense to try to get interceptions.
Speaker 4: Maybe you open up your special teams to try to hey,
Speaker 4: let's get a return somewhere somehow, let's go after and
Speaker 4: you talk.
Speaker 3: Did that a little bit.
Speaker 4: They went after the punder a couple of times in
Speaker 4: the Houston game last week because you got to figure out,
Speaker 4: you know, somewhere to manufacture enough enough offense. But the quarterback,
Speaker 4: to me, really it's it's a b y u is.
Speaker 4: Everyone's just playing with a lot of enthusiasm. You know,
Speaker 4: they're just playing hard. I don't know that they're extra
Speaker 4: special talent wise or whatever. I don't I don't know
Speaker 4: talent wise, you know, I don't know that it's very
Speaker 4: different across the board in the conference. But there's just
Speaker 4: they're just how fun playing football. They're energized, they believe
Speaker 4: in what they're doing, and and that that you find
Speaker 4: ways to create opportunities on the field when you play
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: One more thing for the segment that we're gonna grab
Speaker 1: my guy Mikey here. So I referenced when you were playing,
Speaker 1: it felt like there were just more local players.
Speaker 2: On each roster who got it.
Speaker 3: But there weren't.
Speaker 2: They weren't all local players.
Speaker 1: So what was it like for you, as somebody who
Speaker 1: was a local to explain to your teammates who didn't
Speaker 1: grow up here what this game is actually like?
Speaker 3: Uh? Okay, I have a funny story, Jared.
Speaker 4: And so they someone from by you painted the U blue, okay, right,
Speaker 4: And our players did not like that, right, And so
Speaker 4: some of them were gonna go down and they were
Speaker 4: gonna they were gonna paint something red in Provo, okay.
Speaker 3: And they were players.
Speaker 4: Of color, and and I said to them, understand your
Speaker 4: enthusiasm here, but you're gonna stick out in provo.
Speaker 2: Maybe don't do that down there.
Speaker 4: You're gonna they're gonna, they're gonna go You're not from here, right,
Speaker 4: And so they end up going down there, and they
Speaker 4: they tried to paint the cougar at outside the stadium
Speaker 4: red and they were arrested before they got they got there.
Speaker 4: Sounds right, but it it really didn't take long for
Speaker 4: anyone to understand this rivalry in my time because BYU
Speaker 4: was so they were so arrogant about and they had
Speaker 4: the right I mean again really good fifteen out of sixteen,
Speaker 4: I mean BYU had it going on.
Speaker 3: And two yeah, right, yeah, over twenty years.
Speaker 4: Right, and so, uh, no one took that lightly, whether
Speaker 4: it just it just it didn't matter. It wasn't it
Speaker 4: wasn't hard in that game. It's like, all right, guys,
Speaker 4: you you've set yourself out there, you better come out
Speaker 4: ready to play. And they did, and uh, we actually
Speaker 4: lost that game. I think it was it was like
Speaker 4: twenty one seventeen or something. It was, it was in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty seven. It was a close, close game, but yeah,
Speaker 4: we understood. Everyone understood the rivalry, and it probably meant
Speaker 4: more to us to win it and to play in
Speaker 4: it than I think than.
Speaker 3: I think b Yu more.
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Speaker 2: All right, Scott, so we are of.
Speaker 1: The same mind that we do believe it's Brandon Rose
Speaker 1: over Isaac Wilson, as we've talked about what's what's the difference?
Speaker 1: Does it make a difference in your mind? Obviously the
Speaker 1: position is of utmost importance, and you reference you liked
Speaker 1: what you saw on tape from Brandon against Houston.
Speaker 2: What's a reasonable expectation for.
Speaker 1: You fans with a play caller who will have his
Speaker 1: second game under his belt and a young man who
Speaker 1: we both believe is going to make his first college
Speaker 1: football start.
Speaker 4: The biggest difference happens when the players believe, right, it's
Speaker 4: not so much the quarterback. It's it's all the people
Speaker 4: around you go and there's a there's a tendency to
Speaker 4: try a little bit harder.
Speaker 3: And it's not a conscious thing per se.
Speaker 4: Maybe sometimes it is, you know whatever, But most of
Speaker 4: the time, it's like, Okay, hey, we.
Speaker 3: Got a guy in here.
Speaker 4: He's gonna get me the ball and and and uh,
Speaker 4: he's gonna make plays. We're gonna we're gonna have a chance.
Speaker 4: It's it's that whole mindset of hope. And when you
Speaker 4: have someone in there, whether you know whether they have
Speaker 4: more talent, they do a better job. But if the
Speaker 4: players believe in that guy, that that can really just
Speaker 4: that can change the dynamic. Like like nobody's business. It's
Speaker 4: it's the mindset is such a powerful thing, especially for
Speaker 4: these college kids, you know where where they're they're they're
Speaker 4: still trying to figure out and find their confidence and
Speaker 4: their belief, you know, because when you you start looking
Speaker 4: at this offense and it's just lost its confidence, Cam
Speaker 4: Rising he just oozed confidence and he just brought that
Speaker 4: to the table and lifted not only the offense, but
Speaker 4: like the whole entire team. So you get a guy
Speaker 4: out there that kind of changes that everybody, even the coaches,
Speaker 4: you know, even the defense even you know, if you
Speaker 4: someone we got a guy in here, we know we
Speaker 4: can win, You're gonna get a better, more consistent effort
Speaker 4: from everybody.
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you about the Houston game.
Speaker 1: And as you pointed out earlier, I mean, look at
Speaker 1: this point, like this week, we were supposed to do
Speaker 1: our Big twelve Power rankings. Yeah, and I'm like, let's
Speaker 1: kill the segment because I would say it's b YU one.
Speaker 1: Then everyone else tied to through, so I don't know
Speaker 1: who's good and Houston just b K State. So maybe
Speaker 1: they figured some things out. That was game one for
Speaker 1: Mike Jay. Can you played the position at the highest
Speaker 1: of levels. Did you notice anything different with the play calling?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 2: Did he put his own stamp on that game at all?
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I don't know that it was
Speaker 3: significantly different.
Speaker 4: You know, they've they've ran an actual screen and and
Speaker 4: it worked, and it you know, and and so that
Speaker 4: was maybe a little difference, but everything else because you
Speaker 4: don't want to just like fire Cell the whole entire office,
Speaker 4: you can't. You can't learn those other those players can't
Speaker 4: learn a new system. It's just impossible and learn it
Speaker 4: and feel confident to go run in game situations. So
Speaker 4: you're it's gonna be the same plays. Uh, you know
Speaker 4: that Andy's had and you don't want to change because
Speaker 4: the plays are good. It's not it's not a it's
Speaker 4: not a question. It's about executing the plays and and
Speaker 4: about you know, making making plays. It's about converting third downs,
Speaker 4: it's about you know, just those fundamental things. I think
Speaker 4: we talked about them where there was this lack of
Speaker 4: focus with coming back to the football, catching the football,
Speaker 4: offensive linemen, going off sides and and and that to
Speaker 4: me said this this team is not having the discipline
Speaker 4: to prepare themselves to play because you see those those
Speaker 4: those are those are absolute fundamental things that have to
Speaker 4: happen when you play, and it takes a level of
Speaker 4: comp uh focus and concentration. But also it's it's the
Speaker 4: discipline to do it during week the week, doing it
Speaker 4: every single day, where they become just the habits of
Speaker 4: who you are. And when you're kind of going through
Speaker 4: the motions, you're not believing in things, that's when that's
Speaker 4: when you see that that that offense really sputter. And
Speaker 4: that's that's what I've seen with this this Utah too.
Speaker 1: So it's very safe to say that Utah is gonna
Speaker 1: have to protect the quarterback and they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: open up some lanes for the running backs because b Yu,
Speaker 1: they have gotten to the quarterback and they do force turnovers,
Speaker 1: they do create havoc plays. We're hearing and maybe you
Speaker 1: have some first hand inside here, some rumors about maybe
Speaker 1: some o linemen that aren't entirely healthy for Utah BYU
Speaker 1: will be without Connor pay and one of the doesn't
Speaker 1: one of the receivers is out. But they've got like
Speaker 1: seven dudes in that room. Tell me what you've seen
Speaker 1: from the O line, both the good and the bad
Speaker 1: this year, and what you're expecting on Saturday against a
Speaker 1: really good b YU.
Speaker 4: Front really quick about the conference and who's good and
Speaker 4: who's bad and banking everything. I think the conference, almost
Speaker 4: from top to bottom is about the same.
Speaker 3: Even BYU feels that way. It's it's and so it's
Speaker 3: a matter.
Speaker 4: Of timely place, it's a matter of playing right. It's
Speaker 4: a matter of how your schedule flows out, and not
Speaker 4: only not only who you play, but when you play them,
Speaker 4: you know. And so I mean you look at Utah
Speaker 4: going down the road. They got BYU, who's at the
Speaker 4: top of conference. They've got Colorado who's at the top
Speaker 4: of the conference. They have Iowa State, who's at the
Speaker 4: top of the conference. I don't think you would have
Speaker 4: said that at the beginning of the year. And then
Speaker 4: you got UCF, which all of a sudden looks like
Speaker 4: they might have gotten explosive. And so it's it's about
Speaker 4: this attrition and you talk about losing guys, and it's
Speaker 4: do you have enough depth and and and are you
Speaker 4: playing you know, at the right time, And so the
Speaker 4: there's just a fine fine line between winning and losing.
Speaker 4: In this conference from top to bottom, there is not
Speaker 4: one team you just go, oh, they are just head
Speaker 4: and shoulders better than anyone else in the conference. So
Speaker 4: you've got to show up week after week and and
Speaker 4: game after game if you if you're gonna play and
Speaker 4: play well, and some guys, some teams do it and
Speaker 4: some haven't this year, and really the conference could go anyway.
Speaker 4: And I think that's a hallmark of the Big Twelve
Speaker 4: in general. You know, they've had a lot of different
Speaker 4: winners in the conference, and you know, TCU went to
Speaker 4: the College Football Playoffs a couple of years ago and
Speaker 4: they're trying to figure out who they are today. UCF
Speaker 4: was undefeated a few years ago. Cincinnati was a really
Speaker 4: good team. But as far as this offensive line, to
Speaker 4: answer your question, I think it's been a very consistent performance.
Speaker 4: The quarterbacks have had time to throw the football, and
Speaker 4: they've done an exceptional job of actually run blocking. What
Speaker 4: the thing that I saw early on and I saw
Speaker 4: a lot last year, was too many guys were just
Speaker 4: missing blocks, whether it was in the run game or
Speaker 4: in the passing game, just getting beat on one on
Speaker 4: one situations. And sometimes that's a product of youth. You know,
Speaker 4: there was a little bit of youth in the offensive line.
Speaker 4: The offensive line, to me, has been a very pleasant
Speaker 4: surprise this year. I certainly think they've done a a
Speaker 4: pretty decent job. The one thing that's been hard, and
Speaker 4: Utah has been so good at it in the past
Speaker 4: is running in the red zone and running inside the
Speaker 4: ten yard line, and you haven't seen that this year.
Speaker 4: There have been some situations where they've had some some
Speaker 4: short yardage and that they haven't converted on. But but overall,
Speaker 4: you know, I've liked what the offensive line has done.
Speaker 4: Part of what helped the offense in the past was
Speaker 4: a quarterback though, of course, and kind of took he
Speaker 4: kind of erased some of the mistakes you saw. Even
Speaker 4: Tyler Huntley did this when he was there. He got
Speaker 4: out of some tough situations. And but Cam was a
Speaker 4: wizard at it. And when he hasn't been in there,
Speaker 4: you haven't had that that element, which again it helps
Speaker 4: you to kind of, well, the offensive line is not
Speaker 4: doing too bad because the quarter you don't you don't
Speaker 4: necessarily see it as much. But even though the quarterback
Speaker 4: has played not so good with Cam out, the offensive
Speaker 4: line is still played pretty pretty solid and pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: So of course we know the McKay bernard is running
Speaker 1: back one and Kyle told us as much. And I
Speaker 1: think there was some skepticism about whether or not he
Speaker 1: could run between the tackles because we just hadn't seen
Speaker 1: him do it. But he has been able to do
Speaker 1: it certainly in spurts. We've seen a little more Jalen
Speaker 1: Glover as of late. Jalen had some unfortunate media availability
Speaker 1: yesterday where he decided to say some things that probably
Speaker 1: might end up on a bulletin board. But that happens,
Speaker 1: It's okay. Called it the Cold War, which, yeah, close.
Speaker 1: You know, mistakes are made. But Jalen Glover has had
Speaker 1: really good games for Utah in the past in really
Speaker 1: big situations.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that this is the answer, because I
Speaker 2: agree with you.
Speaker 1: Until they find it on your center with a quarterback,
Speaker 1: you're kind of running up hill. Sure, but can we
Speaker 1: see a little more Jalen.
Speaker 2: You think as the season wears on.
Speaker 4: You always have to have a number two guy. H
Speaker 4: The number one guy just can't carry the load throughout
Speaker 4: the season. You're just gonna You're just gonna wear down
Speaker 4: and you wear down in the game. You just they
Speaker 4: need a break from time to time. I've always been
Speaker 4: a fan of Jalen Glover. For for whatever reason, he's
Speaker 4: fallen out of favor with the coaching staff. I don't
Speaker 4: know why, you know, I just know that it's been
Speaker 4: the case. And uh and and I'm sure some of
Speaker 4: his conversations or some of his you know, uh remarks
Speaker 4: or actions have been probably out of frustration.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I've just this has been a kid that's seems like
Speaker 4: he does things the right way, plays hard when he
Speaker 4: gets in the game, and you know, he's not a
Speaker 4: guy that's gonna be super explosive, you know, but he's
Speaker 4: gonna get you some really tough yards. And and that's
Speaker 4: the one thing he's been as a tough, tough runner.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that Mike Mitchell has been that guy
Speaker 4: they thought would be tough running inside, who had been
Speaker 4: kind of the number two guy, and and they give
Speaker 4: they started to give Jalen some looks here as of
Speaker 4: recent and and he's a guy that's not only I
Speaker 4: think good at that, but.
Speaker 3: He's probably pretty fired up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna show you, all right, you keep me
Speaker 4: off the field and that's a good thing, you know,
Speaker 4: And I don't think it's intentional't buy the coaches to like, well,
Speaker 4: let's let it, let's get him pissed off and then
Speaker 4: you'll play good.
Speaker 3: You know. It's just a byproduct of everything.
Speaker 4: And I don't want to give a coach any good
Speaker 4: ideas that maybe they start that that that the strategy.
Speaker 4: But I like him and I think he could he
Speaker 4: could have some kind of an impact on this game
Speaker 4: and even for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: As far as as you outlined earlier, a roster that's
Speaker 1: still and this was the as I as I talked
Speaker 1: about last segment, This was the branch I was holding
Speaker 1: on too before I fell flat in the mud. Is
Speaker 1: I still believe the talent on the roster is there
Speaker 1: and there's a reason why all of us. And when
Speaker 1: I say all of us, I don't just mean locally,
Speaker 1: I mean the national media too honed in on this
Speaker 1: team as the favorite to win this conference and go
Speaker 1: to the CFP.
Speaker 2: That maybe we were.
Speaker 1: Misguided, but it doesn't mean we weren't wrong about the personnel.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about and obviously you have
Speaker 1: experience playing quarterback in the pros. I would imagine at
Speaker 1: some point, maybe during a rough period for you or
Speaker 1: your team, some of your targets weren't thrilled with you
Speaker 1: because you weren't throwing them the football. How tough is
Speaker 1: it for a Dorian Singer or a brand Keithy or
Speaker 1: any of these guys Caleb Loner who has three catches
Speaker 1: on the year and all three of them are touchdowns.
Speaker 1: How tough the tight ends, as you reference outside of
Speaker 1: brandt like not existing even though there's talent there. How
Speaker 1: tough is it to stay confident and ready when you
Speaker 1: don't have the right guy throwing you the ball all
Speaker 1: year long?
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's brutally hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I was in that situation, it would drive me banana.
Speaker 4: I'm sure I would just be like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: You know, in Detroit, I had Herman Moore and Brett
Speaker 4: Perriman and and Johnny Morton was our third guy, and
Speaker 4: you know, and he was really good, and Bretton and
Speaker 4: Herman had over one hundred catches, and and Brett was
Speaker 4: still mad, like he's like, you know, throwing me the ball,
Speaker 4: you know, And and and for me, I liked it.
Speaker 4: I like that these guys wanted the football, just wanted
Speaker 4: it every down because it's like, I know, if I
Speaker 4: throw the ball to you, you're gonna make a play
Speaker 4: on it, like and you build that cam Raddie. We
Speaker 4: had one situation Brett got so mad he wouldn't come
Speaker 4: in the huddle. This is no joke. And I go
Speaker 4: dude like, and he goes, well, you're not gonna throw
Speaker 4: me the ball anyways, And I go, well, just line
Speaker 4: up and don't jump off sides then, and just go
Speaker 4: over there and pout.
Speaker 3: You know. It's just what if that's the way you're
Speaker 3: going to be about it? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: And that lasted about a play, but uh uh. And
Speaker 4: I love Brett and I'd love throwing a football to him.
Speaker 4: With the Utah situation, I just I feel for these guys,
Speaker 4: I really do, because you have to you have to
Speaker 4: show up, and you have to play hard, and and
Speaker 4: you have to. You may be in the third quarter
Speaker 4: and you you may have been, you know, real time,
Speaker 4: sitting there for three hours before you throw your first
Speaker 4: pass has thrown to you, and then they go, okay,
Speaker 4: catch it now, you know, and and it's and it's
Speaker 4: and that's why that's why I talk about getting guys
Speaker 4: involved early.
Speaker 3: In the game.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just it's they just feel confident, they
Speaker 4: feel and even if you just talk to them, you know, hey, okay,
Speaker 4: I know you're you know what do you like? You know,
Speaker 4: just anything, just even if you're even if you're bsing
Speaker 4: with them, just talk to them, Just talk to all
Speaker 4: of them, because uh, they want to feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: they're they're they're involved in they're they're a part of this.
Speaker 4: And and human nature is just like, why in the
Speaker 4: world am I going through this over and over and
Speaker 4: and uh, and I'm never getting the ball. I'm not
Speaker 4: involved because everyone that goes out on the field, and
Speaker 4: I shouldn't say everyone, but most everyone they go I
Speaker 4: want to be a difference maker, you know, give me
Speaker 4: the ball. I want to be someone that that hasn't uh,
Speaker 4: you know, some some kind of input impact on the
Speaker 4: outcome of this game. And when you're not involved, it's
Speaker 4: just it's such it's such a hard thing. And it's
Speaker 4: so hard when you know you have a lot of
Speaker 4: really good players because because then you're you're like those
Speaker 4: players are never going to reach their full potential of
Speaker 4: what they could really be because and so you got
Speaker 4: to really get guys that buy into it's about the
Speaker 4: team and it's about winning.
Speaker 3: And if it's about team and winning and you're not winning,
Speaker 3: then what's it about? You know? And it just makes
Speaker 3: it brutally hard.
Speaker 1: Well, and for guys like Dorian Singer and Bran Keithy,
Speaker 1: I'm no NFL scout, but you can find mock drafts
Speaker 1: that have them.
Speaker 2: As NFL prospects.
Speaker 1: The guys you were thrown too, it's about their money,
Speaker 1: right like you, they want their catches because they want
Speaker 1: their contract. But if you're Branton Dorian, you want to
Speaker 1: put good tape out there so you can get drafted.
Speaker 2: And they haven't had the quarterback this year. Although maybe
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: De von Veley is killing it in Denver and he
Speaker 1: didn't get Cameron as much as we thought he would either.
Speaker 1: But there's got to be that element too. These guys
Speaker 1: are looking at maybe the next step, and if they
Speaker 1: can't get exposure for what they can do because of
Speaker 1: the quarterback, that might seep in a little bit.
Speaker 2: He starts to see some frustration.
Speaker 3: Uh, And rightfully, so.
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at no, because it's like, look, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a special opportunity to get to play on Sundays.
Speaker 4: It's incredible and knowing that, you know, so much of
Speaker 4: it depends on kind of I need to get exposure.
Speaker 4: I need to have people see what I'm all about
Speaker 4: and what I can do, and and and being in
Speaker 4: a situation which which if you're if you're a recruit,
Speaker 4: it's like, why would I want to go to a
Speaker 4: school where I'm not going to get that. Look, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to get that exposure, I'm not going to
Speaker 4: get that development and that that that don't lily hurts
Speaker 4: you now, it hurts. It hurts future future prospects, you know,
Speaker 4: down the road. But there is there is one thing
Speaker 4: that's different from when I was playing and you talk
Speaker 4: about money, is there's players today that are in college
Speaker 4: that are.
Speaker 3: Are making money.
Speaker 4: And money's a funny thing and it you know, and
Speaker 4: so some of them may go, yeah, you know, I'm good,
Speaker 4: you know, and it might take the edge off or
Speaker 4: the drive or the you know, I want to I
Speaker 4: want to do well.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like I'm good.
Speaker 4: You know, I got a little bit of money, you know,
Speaker 4: because you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old and you know,
Speaker 4: thirty thousand dollars might make you like you're a millionaire.
Speaker 4: You know, you know who knows, And so the money
Speaker 4: side of it can work kind of both ways where
Speaker 4: I need I want to show that i can get paid,
Speaker 4: but then I'm getting paid and I'm less motivated because
Speaker 4: you know, I'm kind of being taken care of.
Speaker 1: Right now, how do you think Utah has adapted to
Speaker 1: the new reality of the sport? I mean, I'll just
Speaker 1: ask you point blank. Coach Witt was asked about it
Speaker 1: and he just essentially set out, difficult has been. It
Speaker 1: felt like the early returns were fine. Utah didn't have
Speaker 1: like a mass exodus that did. They lose some people
Speaker 1: for sure, like the Jaquinin stuff hurts.
Speaker 3: He's really good.
Speaker 1: So they've lost people like everybody else. They've also brought
Speaker 1: people in like everybody else. But now that we have
Speaker 1: about almost three years of data behind us, how do
Speaker 1: you think Utah football handles has handled the new normal?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: The thing that I like is they've recognized that it's
Speaker 4: what you have to do, and I think there's a
Speaker 4: real effort to do the best they can as far
Speaker 4: as you know, raising money and having money available for
Speaker 4: these players. It's you know, it's brutally challenging because, as
Speaker 4: you know, players can just bolt, you know, and so
Speaker 4: you're constantly recruiting players, you're constantly keeping them involved and
Speaker 4: just going you know, we have a budget, We have
Speaker 4: so much money we can spend, and you spend money
Speaker 4: on players who aren't producing or aren't healthy.
Speaker 3: You know, it really it really challenges it.
Speaker 4: I mean, if anything's hurt them, it's not been players leaving.
Speaker 4: It's been it's been Cam Rising not being able to play.
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of money went into cam Rising
Speaker 4: for the last two years for the limited production, and
Speaker 4: I think it's money well spent, if you you know,
Speaker 4: I honestly, I think you look at any program in
Speaker 4: the country, they're going to go out and get a guy,
Speaker 4: even the top one like Oregon got Dylan Gabriel and
Speaker 4: and he wasn't there, they didn't recruit him, but they go,
Speaker 4: we need a top tier quarterback, and we're going to
Speaker 4: go get him, and we're gonna pay for it. And
Speaker 4: I think I think of any position, there has to
Speaker 4: be a willingness to go get that kind of guy
Speaker 4: in your program. If you're really serious about being a contender,
Speaker 4: on a national stage.
Speaker 1: Since I've simply never asked you the question on air.
Speaker 1: Cameron has an eighth year of eligibility left. Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like this is a scenario where a married couple
Speaker 1: still loves each other but just kind of wants to
Speaker 1: go experience the world. So you give each other hugs,
Speaker 1: say go take care. This has been fun, do you
Speaker 1: It's probably in the best interest. And I had Eric
Speaker 1: Weddel on the day of the Monday after the ASU game.
Speaker 2: He was pretty forceful.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, that's the love cam, but that's not
Speaker 1: Where are you at with the potential of.
Speaker 3: Him coming back? Yeah, you talk.
Speaker 4: There's just a lot of fatigue there both in the program,
Speaker 4: like we've had enough, and there's a lot of fatigue
Speaker 4: kind of from the booster donator side of it, like yeah,
Speaker 4: we've we've maybe had enough of this and it and
Speaker 4: it probably is in everyone's best interest to to move forward.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: There's coach Shula I think would sell his own mother
Speaker 4: to win, you know, and and so so the competitive
Speaker 4: side of you goes, yeah, but remember those two years
Speaker 4: when when you won championships and.
Speaker 1: He comes back next year and oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, is there a willingness to do it?
Speaker 3: Is do you have to pay for it?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: Does he want to does he want to do it?
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not convinced it that Cam is a
Speaker 4: legitimate NFL prospect. But you know, all bets are off
Speaker 4: if you're trying to win championships and if you have
Speaker 4: a good player and you can get him in your
Speaker 4: program and he can be healthy. I think you're I
Speaker 4: think you're foolish not to consider that.
Speaker 1: All right, Scott, Before I set you loose, since this
Speaker 1: is the time I get with you this week, I
Speaker 1: want to ask you for a final score prediction.
Speaker 2: I'll ask you whether or not the ute inside of you.
Speaker 1: Anywhere has been able to find confidence that Saturday night
Speaker 1: could actually go Utah's way.
Speaker 4: Okay, So the protective fan side of me just says, man,
Speaker 4: Utah is gonna lose this week, like you, just to
Speaker 4: prepare yourself, just set expectations right and so then if
Speaker 4: they But but the real side of me says, this
Speaker 4: is a this is a really tough game for BYU.
Speaker 4: It's a scary game for BYU because Utah is not
Speaker 4: as bad as what their record says it and and
Speaker 4: and it could just you know, it could be a
Speaker 4: funny thing. And I really feel like that's probably more
Speaker 4: of what what's gonna happen. I think we're all gonna
Speaker 4: be surprised, you know, from this game. So I'm I'm
Speaker 4: which is really dumb. I'm gonna bet the ranch on
Speaker 4: Brandon Rose, okay, And and I'm gonna say I'm gonna
Speaker 4: say Utah scores twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Points, they have to get more than twenty four.
Speaker 4: And and I think I think byu is, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go twenty seven to seventeen.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven seventeen Utah wins. I think it's I think
Speaker 2: play the damn fight song.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's turnover laden and there's some help
Speaker 4: in there. But twenty seven seventeen.
Speaker 2: All right, my friend, Well, thanks for coming out. It's
Speaker 2: great to see.
Speaker 1: Okay, Scott Mitchell, who'll be on the call with Ryle's
Speaker 1: coming up on Saturday night, appreciate his time out here
Speaker 1: at Arup Blood Services. That's where we're at at ninety
Speaker 1: seven eighty six South, five hundred West and Sandy