Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to another exciting episodes of the Hard Truths
Speaker 1: podcast with Ashton Forbes. Today, I have an amazing guest
Speaker 1: for you, twenty five year retired FBI veteran John Desusa,
Speaker 1: the real life Fox Molder of the X Files. Can't
Speaker 1: wait to talk to him. Let's do it. Hey, John,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Brother. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: being here. I appreciate you. How are you doing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm doing great, Ashton, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: having me on a hard truth podcast. Looking good, It's
Speaker 2: looking great, and I'm really anxious to be here with
Speaker 2: you in your wonderful audience. And I'm hoping that this
Speaker 2: is gonna be as great as I built it up
Speaker 2: in my mind to be.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's do it then, right off the bat, like,
Speaker 1: tell people who aren't familiar with you, like, what your
Speaker 1: background is? You know, I had heard of you many
Speaker 1: years back that people are calling you the real life
Speaker 1: Fox Molder of the X Files, and I love that show.
Speaker 1: And I remember looking at me like, oh, he does
Speaker 1: have this background in the f So what kind of
Speaker 1: stuff have you you looked into?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was basically back in I was in the
Speaker 2: FBI and I ended up getting involved with what we
Speaker 2: called the entire X Files fiasco at the FBI, because
Speaker 2: as soon as they in nineteen ninety three, they started
Speaker 2: this new show called The X Files, and it was
Speaker 2: brand new, and they put up the first episode in
Speaker 2: I don't remember the month, but it was in ninety three,
Speaker 2: and it was an amazing show. However, my bosses at
Speaker 2: the FBI immediately recognized some details from some of my
Speaker 2: cases in this show. And we're talking about the seventh floor,
Speaker 2: we're talking about the big, big weeks at the FBI,
Speaker 2: And so they called in the maker of The X Files,
Speaker 2: Chris Carter, Chris Carter, and they called me in too,
Speaker 2: because they were going to accuse both of us of
Speaker 2: having some collusion there and putting some info together for
Speaker 2: this show. And they did exactly that, and Chris Carter
Speaker 2: was able to tell them that no, he had he
Speaker 2: had no contact with me, he had no nothing or
Speaker 2: with any well not with it. Well, he didn't get
Speaker 2: any classified information, any secret information, anything of that sort.
Speaker 2: But he said to my bosses at the FBI that
Speaker 2: he would be able to further cooperate if they would
Speaker 2: give him more details of these cases that they say
Speaker 2: that he Pilford that he got information from and they
Speaker 2: were unwilling to do that. However, they were very threatening.
Speaker 2: They told him, they told him and Fox Fox News,
Speaker 2: No not Fox News, it was Fox the channel that
Speaker 2: actually put on the xbox, and they told them, oh,
Speaker 2: we're going to shut your show down. We're going to
Speaker 2: under national security. I don't think they even have the
Speaker 2: power to do that, but you know, the FBI has
Speaker 2: a lot of coercive characters in it, I'll just put
Speaker 2: it that way, and they're very good at making threats,
Speaker 2: even whether the threats are true or not.
Speaker 1: So they did you actually give him information? And if not,
Speaker 1: do you know where he got them?
Speaker 2: Are they?
Speaker 1: So? Yes, I have getting information from the FBI, right Like.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, well I have my ideas about it. And
Speaker 2: what I what I suspect happened was uh a lot
Speaker 2: of us in the FBI, especially those of us who
Speaker 2: work extremely sensitive cases, cases that end up getting MDes
Speaker 2: passed out on them, you know, uh, non disclosure agreements. Uh,
Speaker 2: those of us who worked those types of cases. What
Speaker 2: we do is we keep a book. We keep a
Speaker 2: book of notes on these cases because a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff we can't put in FBI files, So we
Speaker 2: keep what we call off the books off the book's
Speaker 2: note book, and we keep our files, we keep our
Speaker 2: notes in it on these cases so that in case
Speaker 2: we need to get it back later in front of
Speaker 2: Congress or something like that. And so what happened to me,
Speaker 2: I believe is that a couple of agents that were
Speaker 2: working with me, that were working with me, they retired
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles to work as consultants with Hollywood Productions
Speaker 2: and they took my They took my freaking book. Ashton.
Speaker 2: You know, you've probably had this sort of thing happened
Speaker 2: to you before, where people try to steal some of
Speaker 2: your talent, and they can't steal your talent literally, so
Speaker 2: they try stealing some of your notes, your blueprints, your
Speaker 2: things that you have. So anyway, I believe that these uh,
Speaker 2: these couple of agents uh took my off the books
Speaker 2: notebook and actually shared it with Hollywood Productions. And whether
Speaker 2: whether Chris Carter had any knowledge of that or not,
Speaker 2: I don't know. That part is not too clear. But
Speaker 2: that's what I believe.
Speaker 1: You're saying, it's real, You're saying it is kind of
Speaker 1: based on your some of your research and also, wait, like,
Speaker 1: there's cases where you have to sign n d as afterwards?
Speaker 2: How well, yeah, well there are cases where if things
Speaker 2: go really really wrong and FBI headquarters feels like you know,
Speaker 2: or people who are above FBI headquarters feel like they
Speaker 2: need another control mechanism, then they will come at you
Speaker 2: with these NDAs. And they will even FBI agents who
Speaker 2: are subject to subject to secrecy requirements already. So we
Speaker 2: shouldn't need to do any any NDAs, but they will
Speaker 2: come at you with these once in a while. And
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm not even allowed to say which
Speaker 2: ones I had to sign NDA's for because that's part
Speaker 2: of the NDA. You're not allowed to say. Uh, but
Speaker 2: it's not it's not a significant factor really because.
Speaker 1: You've had to do in terms of what you can say,
Speaker 1: can you say how many of these generally you've had
Speaker 1: to sign, like more than a handful.
Speaker 2: No, I've never had to sign them. I've seen others,
Speaker 2: seen others have to sign them, but I personally have not.
Speaker 2: I personally have not.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the stuff that you did was generally just
Speaker 1: spooky stuff, but you didn't have to sign any NDAs.
Speaker 2: And I and I'm an attorney, I'm an attorney and
Speaker 2: I've worked in the legal world also, so I already
Speaker 2: know I know which things I can't talk about. I
Speaker 2: know which things I can't ever mention. Again, I can
Speaker 2: and I can give you, you know, examples of there have
Speaker 2: been there's been cases with UFOs and alien technology as
Speaker 2: well that has been implicated in certain places in certain ways,
Speaker 2: And I already know that I can't be specific when
Speaker 2: I talk about those those cases. I can't because the.
Speaker 1: Case is related to UFO stuff generally. Before yes, you
Speaker 1: can say yes. Is that how you got involved with
Speaker 1: like Steven Greer and I saw Billy Carson like you
Speaker 1: were in one of their videos. You've been in several
Speaker 1: different videos and a couple of technology and UFOs, Like,
Speaker 1: how did you connect to those guys?
Speaker 2: Well, I've always been I've always been kind of connected
Speaker 2: with doctor Greer's work. But that goes that goes back
Speaker 2: to even the period when I was out of the
Speaker 2: FBI already, for for instance, I was working I was
Speaker 2: working at guy at TV doing some doing different things
Speaker 2: for them, and that was at the time. That was
Speaker 2: at the time when doctor Greer, for instance, Uh, I
Speaker 2: don't know how much you know about this. But doctor
Speaker 2: Greer was the one who first came up with the
Speaker 2: Tacoma alien creature that he came up with, which was
Speaker 2: that little, you know, six inch creature that came out
Speaker 2: of a Tacoma Peru. I think it was. I think
Speaker 2: it was a talk about. Uh. But but people in
Speaker 2: your audience will text, will text, will check what that
Speaker 2: what exactly where that was? Uh, Tacoma.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and I remember that vaguely. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the small like little mummy thing that they it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't Yeah, it was a mummy. It was not alt
Speaker 2: it was. It was an actual full mummy, which is
Speaker 2: very significant.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And so doctor Greer was able to come forward with
Speaker 2: that and show that it was not any sort of
Speaker 2: any sort of a fetus or an embryo, that it
Speaker 2: was actually non human life and that's what it was.
Speaker 2: And uh. Then so that went on, and then he
Speaker 2: took it to an infamous, an infamous fake scientist who
Speaker 2: was the guy at Stanford, Stanford Science Department whose name
Speaker 2: escapes me right now. And uh he actually said to
Speaker 2: doctor Greer and everybody else that I'm going to get
Speaker 2: I'm going to do the DNA. I'm going to get
Speaker 2: the DNA results on this thing, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell everybody, you know, this thing turns out to be
Speaker 2: non human life, because that's all that we were.
Speaker 1: That's all Gary Nolan wasn't Gary Nolan. Wow, that was
Speaker 1: more drama in this community.
Speaker 2: This was a really bad one because because.
Speaker 1: This is like right before I got involved in all this, okay.
Speaker 2: Because doctor Greer he came up with the first example
Speaker 2: of non human life with actual physical evidence and DNA
Speaker 2: evidence everything. And he came up with that and he
Speaker 2: presented that to the world, and that was going to
Speaker 2: be a huge breakthrough in on our planet. And doctor
Speaker 2: Greer had it, he had it all. Uh, And unfortunately
Speaker 2: he trusted Gary Nolan. He trusted Gary Nolan, who said,
Speaker 2: in the preliminary findings, he said, this is absolutely not
Speaker 2: a featus. This is non human life apparently from the
Speaker 2: preliminary DNA tests. And I'm not completely sure how that works,
Speaker 2: but they explained it. I mean they doctor Greer explained it,
Speaker 2: and Gary Nolan explained it, and all the preliminary tests
Speaker 2: showed that this was non human life. Of course, doctor
Speaker 2: Greer or anyone else never claimed that it was an
Speaker 2: alien or anything like that. That was the function of
Speaker 2: mainstream media, because what they do in these cases is
Speaker 2: they immediately say, oh, everyone's claiming it's an it's an alien,
Speaker 2: the atacam alien fossil or the atopic alien. Moment, nobody
Speaker 2: ever said it was an alien, because we're pretty sure
Speaker 2: this thing was what do you call native to the
Speaker 2: planet Earth, because that's what that's the indications that we
Speaker 2: all had. So anyway, so anyway, Gary Nolan went ahead
Speaker 2: and said, yes, this is the preliminary test all show
Speaker 2: this is non human life. Now we're going to do
Speaker 2: the deep deep DNA testing, which can take like I
Speaker 2: heard it takes like it can take years. It can
Speaker 2: take over a year to do that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And sure enough, when he was completed the long range
Speaker 2: what they call the long strand DNA analysis, uh he
Speaker 2: he actually got a visit, uh from it looks like
Speaker 2: he got a visit from the military, uh from the
Speaker 2: US military. And shortly after that he uh he called
Speaker 2: doctor Greer and he said, hey, bad news. It turns
Speaker 2: out this thing actually is a uh just a fetus.
Speaker 2: It's a human fetus. Uh that was somehow, yeah, that
Speaker 2: somehow is mutated and it's actually it's even a female
Speaker 2: human uh fetus, And that's all it was. Uh, that's
Speaker 2: all it was. So forget about all that non human
Speaker 2: uh DNA stuff that I said before. This is the
Speaker 2: real conclusion. And then Gary Nolan went out on all
Speaker 2: the international wires and all the everywhere with the news,
Speaker 2: mainstream news. He put that out everywhere. In other words,
Speaker 2: he absolutely betrayed doctor Greer. After he had promised that
Speaker 2: he would follow the conclusion to its scientific reality, its
Speaker 2: scientific truth, no matter where it led, and that he
Speaker 2: didn't care about being ostracized by the scientific community or
Speaker 2: anything like that. Well you know about that. But he said,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm willing. I'm willing. I'm right there with you,
Speaker 2: doctor Greer. Don't worry. We're gonna put out the truth
Speaker 2: on this thing. And then after he did the long
Speaker 2: range analysis of the DNA, he went ahead. He did
Speaker 2: a complete one. He betrayed doctor Greer, and he portrayed
Speaker 2: everyone who's interested in real true science.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't really trust him, honestly. I I randomly
Speaker 1: got blocked by him, and it turns out it seems
Speaker 1: like I want to This is another thing. I wanted
Speaker 1: any opinion on it. Seems like there's this weird schism
Speaker 1: or little clicks in the UFOK mean, it's not even
Speaker 1: really clicks because there's not that many. It's really just
Speaker 1: like two sides. There's one side that is like the
Speaker 1: Stephen Greer side that I guess you could say, Billy
Speaker 1: Carson's on that side, presumably you're aligned with them, Michael
Speaker 1: Schratt a few other people that you see commonly on
Speaker 1: his stuff. And then the other sides like the lou Elizondo,
Speaker 1: Gary No and Ross Colehard, Jeremy Corbel, like George Knapp, whoever.
Speaker 2: Don't get me started. Don't get me started.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get started, because like I look at this
Speaker 1: and I did not expect this coming into the UFO community,
Speaker 1: realize that I'm relatively new, like a year and a
Speaker 1: half into this thing, and realize that there's all this
Speaker 1: it's political like political turmoil about people's political opinions for
Speaker 1: some reason, there's also this like pretty solid alignment of
Speaker 1: where people stand politically in terms of where they're on
Speaker 1: this dividing line. And it's not really like the way
Speaker 1: I divide, it's not really accurate, but the way I
Speaker 1: divide it is like the people that think like the
Speaker 1: aliens are gonna come save us or whatever that you know,
Speaker 1: just wait for the aliens to come save us and
Speaker 1: fix everything. And then the other side of it, I imagine,
Speaker 1: is like, no, these are people saying like we've been working,
Speaker 1: we've been building this technology, we've been working on it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it came from aliens or whatever, but like this
Speaker 1: technology is like we have to look at like how
Speaker 1: game breaking that would be. Like, it's your perspective on this.
Speaker 1: Do you agree that there's this schism that's out there,
Speaker 1: and what's your opinion of the guys.
Speaker 2: That are my opinion and my opinion action is first
Speaker 2: of all, I would ask you, please, please, when you
Speaker 2: have a chance, just read my book The Extra Dimensional,
Speaker 2: because in this book I actually reveal FBI documents, FBI
Speaker 2: documents that are out there, and that actually started me
Speaker 2: on this road of the truth down to the truth
Speaker 2: that alien visitors are not physical. They are interdimensional, they
Speaker 2: are extra dimensional. They are not physical in the sense
Speaker 2: that we are. They can temper rarely assume that physicality,
Speaker 2: that physicality. They can, but it doesn't last very long.
Speaker 2: And also they are UFOs. And so this document by
Speaker 2: the FBI was released at the same time as what
Speaker 2: I call the Roswell disinfo operation, where in Roswell you
Speaker 2: had a bunch of people come together and try to
Speaker 2: put forward the lie really that aliens are physical, that
Speaker 2: they're just physical, just like us, and that alien imminency
Speaker 2: is real because they just get into their tin cans
Speaker 2: and they can just crash and be dead by the
Speaker 2: side of the road, just like any of us could
Speaker 2: be just like us, because they're just like us. And
Speaker 2: that's what the whole gospel of Roswell was. Of the
Speaker 2: Roswell crash, which I believe was in nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 2: I believe that was it in nineteen forty seven. Well,
Speaker 2: at the same time, in nineteen forty seven, document came
Speaker 2: out from the FBI which showed information from an FBI
Speaker 2: agent who had who said he had an informant who
Speaker 2: was himself an alien visitor of some kind, and that
Speaker 2: this alien visitor told him that aliens are not physical,
Speaker 2: that UFOs also are made of plasma. They're made of
Speaker 2: plasma radiant energy.
Speaker 1: In addition to what document says that going back that
Speaker 1: far says something about plasma.
Speaker 2: In nineteen forty seven, that's what this document says here.
Speaker 2: It also says that we should never attack their UFOs UFOs,
Speaker 2: and that the UFOs are somehow, they don't have anyone
Speaker 2: in them. They are UFOs are the are. They're vessels
Speaker 2: that accompany alien visitors, come with them and carry out
Speaker 2: small tasks for them. They're like familiars for a sorcerer,
Speaker 2: witch of that sort of thing. That's the kind of
Speaker 2: reality that we're looking at here. So anyway, my book
Speaker 2: The Extra Menals makes it very clear. It also gives
Speaker 2: my personal experiences with alien visitors, and it shows that
Speaker 2: I do believe they are absolutely real. I do. However,
Speaker 2: the problem is that now you have this group of people,
Speaker 2: along with the along with the unfortunately the New York Times,
Speaker 2: the greatest bastion of global deception that has ever existed
Speaker 2: on this earth. Uh, And that they they basically got
Speaker 2: together and they got together with all these former CIA
Speaker 2: contractors and former CIA officers and things of that sort,
Speaker 2: and they decided, number one, Okay, we're gonna grab the
Speaker 2: entire world of pophology and we're going to bring it
Speaker 2: under our control. And now I believe in the exist
Speaker 2: I believe in the cabal is at the top of
Speaker 2: this freaking pyramid controlling all the strings, and they are
Speaker 2: the ones who basically are above all of this, and
Speaker 2: they are using their their whole system of fake whistleblowers
Speaker 2: and guys like Elizondo and Grush and god knows how
Speaker 2: many others they are using. Because in twenty and twenty
Speaker 2: seven and twenty twelve to twenty seventeen, they decided that
Speaker 2: they were going to grab control of aphology as a
Speaker 2: mental construct, and they were going to grab it. So
Speaker 2: they said, well, what's the first thing we need to do. Well,
Speaker 2: the first thing we need to do is we need
Speaker 2: to grab control of the uphology of the UFO subject
Speaker 2: away from the United States Air Force, where it was.
Speaker 2: This was basically under the control of the United States
Speaker 2: Air Force. Why because you are unidentified flying objects. So
Speaker 2: they was put under the purview ultimately of the Air Force.
Speaker 2: And the way I know that is because the FBI
Speaker 2: had many battles with the President and with the and
Speaker 2: with the Air Force itself to try to get that
Speaker 2: jurisdiction away from the Air Force. But no, because it
Speaker 2: makes more sense to have the Air Force in charge
Speaker 2: of it, because these are aerial things that we're talking about. Well,
Speaker 2: they decided, well, you know what, we have several reasons
Speaker 2: why we're going to bring lithology away from the United
Speaker 2: States Air Force and bring it under the United States Navy.
Speaker 2: United States Navy. Why because the United States Navy is
Speaker 2: what controls. First of all, they control all legal issues.
Speaker 2: But that's but that's another thing. But they also control
Speaker 2: all the confidentiality and all the secrecy surrounding the development
Speaker 2: of top secret weapons okay weapons, yes, and they control
Speaker 2: all of it, so they said. And they're also were
Speaker 2: also given the technology that I believe was reverse engineered
Speaker 2: from nineteen forty seven probably when they did this operation
Speaker 2: at Roswell, and so they were given total control of this.
Speaker 2: And then we also see at the same time that
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, the United States Navy is having these
Speaker 2: exercises over off the coast of California. The biggest most
Speaker 2: the biggest carrier group that exists in the United States,
Speaker 2: the Nimits Carrier Group, was out there doing exercises and
Speaker 2: they were and they were providing a secure atmosphere for
Speaker 2: the ultimate testing of these these uh creature, these things
Speaker 2: that were those capsules that were flying around and trying
Speaker 2: all over the place. That we called that we now
Speaker 2: and then they said, okay, we need to change the
Speaker 2: name of these things from UFOs to UAPs. So that's
Speaker 2: what they did. And then the Knimtz Carrier Group was
Speaker 2: told was well, actually they were part of this plan
Speaker 2: and they created a secure atmosphere for these things to
Speaker 2: be experimented with. In the final chapter, and then the
Speaker 2: New York Times went in there and did a whole
Speaker 2: work up about this and showing how the Nimtz Carrier
Speaker 2: Group was a poor, helpless victim of these of all
Speaker 2: of these UAPs that were flitting around all over the place,
Speaker 2: and they didn't do anything against them. They just sent
Speaker 2: out pilots to observe them. I mean, it was a
Speaker 2: giant theater play, is what it was.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're saying that it's a big disinformation effort to
Speaker 1: contain what's really going on and to control the narrative
Speaker 1: that's out there, and that you know, there's other reports
Speaker 1: out there that you know, and I want to dig
Speaker 1: into the interdimensional plasma stuff, but basically that there's a
Speaker 1: group of people that are presenting a certain narrative out
Speaker 1: there that's protecting national interests and I don't even disagree
Speaker 1: with the narrative that you just presented it. Like the
Speaker 1: Nimitz incident, the tic TAC was like, you know, human technology,
Speaker 1: they were testing it. That's a narrative that's out there
Speaker 1: that the UFO community doesn't really want to pick up on,
Speaker 1: but it's a powerful one because Jeremy Corbel even admitted
Speaker 1: that Commander Fraverer was told by the CIA that the
Speaker 1: tic TAC was Lockheed Martin technology, which, of course, there
Speaker 1: you go, that's your answer.
Speaker 2: This is all copied. This is all copied technology, and
Speaker 2: that's why and that's why we're dealing with these drone
Speaker 2: these a super weapon what I call the LSDS.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about here next. So I want
Speaker 1: to play this clip. This is how we connected. You know,
Speaker 1: it's actually just you praising me. So for the people
Speaker 1: who are listening, you know, yeah, as Ashton being a
Speaker 1: little egotistical, maybe, but you know what, when someone who's
Speaker 1: a former FBI agent who's called the Fox Molder praises
Speaker 1: you like this, then you can play a clip too.
Speaker 1: So I want to play this, and then I want
Speaker 1: to ask you some questions about it.
Speaker 2: Scientists just will say whatever their sponsors tell them. To say,
Speaker 2: but I saw this. I saw this one great scientist
Speaker 2: yesterday named Ashton Forbes. He's a plasma technology expert. Have
Speaker 2: you spoken to him before? Have you had him on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we've done a deep dive with Ashton here
Speaker 3: on the show on MH three seventy and actually we
Speaker 3: have a big interview with him coming up in just
Speaker 3: about a week or so on a lot of these
Speaker 3: plasma technologies and zero point energy technology.
Speaker 1: He's a good friend of the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, because the shocker that he said yesterday, he
Speaker 2: was on the Next News Network yesterday and the shocker
Speaker 2: that he gave us was he said, oh, yeah, our
Speaker 2: intelligence tech community has been able to create plasmas and
Speaker 2: orbs for years now, for years now, those plasmas and
Speaker 2: orbs are definitely created by our Military Industrial Complex Tech division.
Speaker 2: And he says that's absolutely true, and it was that's
Speaker 2: a shocker to hear a scientist that you can trust.
Speaker 2: And that was that instead of while all the other
Speaker 2: scientists are trying to get us to say this ridiculous
Speaker 2: word plasmoid, plasmoid, which is absolutely ridiculous. Plasmoid doesn't mean
Speaker 2: any it. It means natural phenomena like ball lightning. It's
Speaker 2: that's not what these things are. It's a complete distraction
Speaker 2: and it's a confusion of the language. They're using MSM
Speaker 2: to also amplify that, and they're trying to get people
Speaker 2: to say plasmoid. Well, I want people to say LSD's
Speaker 2: large super weapon drones. That's what they should be saying.
Speaker 2: And plasmas and plasmas and orbs because that's what we're facing.
Speaker 2: So that Ashton Forbes had a great little people.
Speaker 1: Sir, thank you very much for that right off the bat.
Speaker 1: I want to respond and just say awesome. I don't
Speaker 1: know your video was much better then, So I hope
Speaker 1: people don't hat on it now. Hopefully it'll show up
Speaker 1: better in posts. But yeah, first of all, the fact
Speaker 1: that I know exactly how you felt when you saw
Speaker 1: somebody explaining something that like you've worked on and you've investigated,
Speaker 1: because it's happened to me a number of times over
Speaker 1: the last year where I'm investigating this missing plane, investigating
Speaker 1: this science, and then you find like an old engineer
Speaker 1: from thirty years ago explaining it all plainly and simply
Speaker 1: exactly and exactly. The plasma orbs part too, which was like,
Speaker 1: I've learned now how they can make the plasma orbs
Speaker 1: just inner acting scaler beams at a distance, or even
Speaker 1: just laser beams at a distance, very precisely, and they
Speaker 1: can make plasma orbs, and they can make them large.
Speaker 1: I just spoke to this guy, John Brandenburg, he's a
Speaker 1: PhD as well. He said that back in like the
Speaker 1: probably the nineties maybeven eighties, they were making plasma balls
Speaker 1: as big as the size of a soccer ball, just
Speaker 1: randomly messing around. So of course they can make them
Speaker 1: potentially even bigger now. And so I wanted to get
Speaker 1: What I wanted to ask you was not just to
Speaker 1: thank you for that, and I appreciate that shout out,
Speaker 1: was you know what led you down this, you know,
Speaker 1: interdimensional plasma route, because I want to understand your thought
Speaker 1: process and just kind of compare my own so that
Speaker 1: people who are viewers of what have you can understand
Speaker 1: how we got to this, you know, kind of convergent
Speaker 1: point and understanding the phenomenon.
Speaker 2: So go ahead, you know, and in that in that model,
Speaker 2: if I had a little more time, I was also
Speaker 2: trying to say, you know, this was this was a
Speaker 2: phenomenal thing because Ashton Forbes actually explained to people the
Speaker 2: first few steps in how to create these plasma orbs
Speaker 2: and how it is that we now know, well, at
Speaker 2: least I now know that the cabal has basically copied
Speaker 2: this alien technology and they have done it. But what
Speaker 2: I was gonna say is that that Ashton Forbes, basically
Speaker 2: he can explain all these steps, but he probably can't
Speaker 2: go too far down that road because it's going to
Speaker 2: implicate top secret information, like high level top secret information,
Speaker 2: and you can't you can't put that out. You can't
Speaker 2: put that out because it'll create all kinds of problems.
Speaker 2: It's the same reason that President Trump just said that
Speaker 2: that he knows what the plasma orbs are, he knows
Speaker 2: what the what these super weapons are, these these lsds,
Speaker 2: he knows, but he's not gonna say it. He's not
Speaker 2: gonna say it. Why is that because he's still a
Speaker 2: private citizen technically, and he could he could face consequences
Speaker 2: for revealing top secret information because whoever's dealing with this stuff,
Speaker 2: they're all using the highest levels of compartmentalized secret information.
Speaker 2: So yeah, for that reason, we just we just have
Speaker 2: to be careful even.
Speaker 1: Well, let me address that because that's such a great
Speaker 1: point honestly, Like there's a lot of people that think
Speaker 1: that the ms censer videos are fake or whatever. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you guys, like I think you have a
Speaker 1: root awakening, Like we have crazy technology at super advanced
Speaker 1: and then figuring out how to make a ball plasma
Speaker 1: is actually not that complicated. It really just has to
Speaker 1: do with like understanding that space isn't empty, and even
Speaker 1: we don't even need space to produce it. Like they're
Speaker 1: literally able to produce this plasma just from air. They
Speaker 1: can just take like the tiny amounts of hydrogen in
Speaker 1: the air, they can just strip those and make their plasmas,
Speaker 1: which is absolutely incredible in this this is why I
Speaker 1: love that. What you said also, which is important, is
Speaker 1: that we probably shouldn't be using the term plasmoids or
Speaker 1: ball lightning, that these these are natural phenomenon. This is
Speaker 1: what they use to hide what it is. So you
Speaker 1: read Eric W. Davis's ball lightning study from two thousand
Speaker 1: and two Air Force Research Labs and you're like, what
Speaker 1: is this? This is such a weird ball lightning. But
Speaker 1: when you actually understand it, you realize they were trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to stabilize plasma so that it
Speaker 1: would be stuck like a bubble that you could just
Speaker 1: move around, like figure out how to take lightning and
Speaker 1: actually turn it into a ball. What is lightning? Lightning
Speaker 1: is a huge amount of energy, a huge amount. So
Speaker 1: then what are these drones? If you can turn a
Speaker 1: ball of lightning into a drone, like you said, it's
Speaker 1: a large super weapon drone, or it's at minimum of
Speaker 1: a super weapon drone, maybe a plasma super weapon drone.
Speaker 1: And this is the part where I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about the cyber truck guy. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've been read it or read about the Matt Livelsburger stuff,
Speaker 1: but because this is potentially what we're talking about is
Speaker 1: potentially like higher than nuclear weapons secret stuff. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could see why there would be whistleblowers, like people if
Speaker 1: Matt Livelsburger was a real whistleblower and he's coming out
Speaker 1: and saying we're in this war with China over this
Speaker 1: drone technology and it's got unlimited payload capability, that could
Speaker 1: be a real whistle blower. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: any of that? And on the cyber truck guy.
Speaker 2: You know, the cyber truck guy. It's when you have
Speaker 2: the FBI in its current state basically going in there
Speaker 2: and covering up everything, I mean, covering up everything, then
Speaker 2: it's it's difficult to it's difficult to really form opinions
Speaker 2: about these cases when we don't have any real information.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have the guy's name, we have some
Speaker 2: other things, but we don't have there's no investigation there
Speaker 2: because obviously the FBI and others who are working these cases,
Speaker 2: they're just in They see themselves as being in charge
Speaker 2: of the cover up. That's it. So that's all they're doing.
Speaker 2: So it just makes it it makes it very difficult
Speaker 2: to deal with that, you know, except maybe not on
Speaker 2: the most speculative level that you can, but on the
Speaker 2: speculative level, I mean, we can see that it looks
Speaker 2: like this is not the same guy. It's not the
Speaker 2: same guy. It's it looks like his wife has been saying,
Speaker 2: you know, that's not him, that's not him, and it
Speaker 2: looks like he actually was was basically an American hero
Speaker 2: trying to trying to prevent a cry a terrible catastrophe
Speaker 2: here in America. That's what it looks like. And it
Speaker 2: looks like some operators, some black ops operators probably or
Speaker 2: try to implicate him in this. In this case, as
Speaker 2: far as we can tell, which basically was just it
Speaker 2: just seems to be the whole thing with the cyber
Speaker 2: Trump appears to be basically just a symbolic operation being
Speaker 2: run against Trump and Elon. Trump and Elon because they
Speaker 2: because it was purely symbolic, they went in there, they
Speaker 2: put a giant bomb that wasn't big enough to kill anyone,
Speaker 2: so they weren't so that wasn't the aim. Uh.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the part is that he could have taken
Speaker 1: out way more people. This is an important note, is
Speaker 1: that like he's in the middle of Vegas, if he
Speaker 1: if this guy wanted to, he could have just ran
Speaker 1: people over.
Speaker 2: Let alone.
Speaker 1: They could.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they could have destroyed the entire front of
Speaker 2: that building if they had wanted, but obviously they didn't
Speaker 2: want to. So that's why I'm saying it looks to
Speaker 2: me like it was just a message from the cabal
Speaker 2: to UH, to Trump and and Elon in the same
Speaker 2: moment where you have those two symbols side by side
Speaker 2: and being blown up somewhat in general, and that's all
Speaker 2: it appears to be to me, that's all it was.
Speaker 1: So if that's you know what, like, I'm not even
Speaker 1: discounting that theory. If the email is real and he
Speaker 1: really is blowing the whistle and anti gravity drones, then
Speaker 1: to me, that's what the message is. The messages of
Speaker 1: warning to Elon and to Trump saying like, hey, you
Speaker 1: better not talk about this, these large super weapon drones
Speaker 1: or plasma super weapon drones that we have because this
Speaker 1: technology is next level and it's multifaceted. Like, yes, there's
Speaker 1: the destructive capability, but this is also just a ball
Speaker 1: of unlimited energy practically, which could you know, change our
Speaker 1: entire look at the lights all around us, it could
Speaker 1: change everything about our civilization all at once.
Speaker 2: And that's the other area that you work too, zero
Speaker 2: And that's why.
Speaker 1: Stuff like I think these things are tapping into the
Speaker 1: zero point energy field in a way that like would
Speaker 1: change physics and our understanding of physics. And and I
Speaker 1: think that's part of the cover up too, is that
Speaker 1: they have to cover up all this stuff because if
Speaker 1: any one thread becomes unraveled. And that's the part I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about the cover up side. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're a former FBI agent, and you just said, like
Speaker 1: you think that the FEDS and the FBI are like
Speaker 1: presenting a false narrative. Is that something you've seen firsthand
Speaker 1: where there's been like the call from up top or
Speaker 1: just somebody wanted to play you know, they're politically unclined
Speaker 1: to present a certain narrative. Have you seen that?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I've seen that very much so during my career.
Speaker 2: I can tell you I can tell you one specific
Speaker 2: instance when and I don't know if you would remember this,
Speaker 2: but it was the flight tw A eight hundred.
Speaker 1: Oh I remember the.
Speaker 2: Shores of Long Island, I believe, and it was it
Speaker 2: was crazy what happened there. That's one of the cases
Speaker 2: that I can I will never get into specifics of it,
Speaker 2: but I can tell you that it fit into that
Speaker 2: category that you just mentioned, where it was all the
Speaker 2: investigators were investigating in one direction, being led in one direction,
Speaker 2: being showing, and the witnesses were all telling the telling
Speaker 2: what we what looked to us like the absolute truth
Speaker 2: of what happened. And then there was a call from
Speaker 2: the President's office and it went directly to our to
Speaker 2: the FBI director, and basically he said, you're not going
Speaker 2: to investigate this any further in this direction. Uh, you're
Speaker 2: going to find what I want you to find. And
Speaker 2: that's it. And that was the first time I saw
Speaker 2: up close an entire organ intelligence organization just be shut
Speaker 2: down basically in their search for truth, completely shut down,
Speaker 2: and basically we all had to salute and do exactly
Speaker 2: what the present is said to do and again, and
Speaker 2: that's one that I can't ever get into specifics on
Speaker 2: because there were so many families that lost their loved
Speaker 2: ones in that and who have I've never been given
Speaker 2: satisfactory answers on that.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy, man, thirty people on that plane too.
Speaker 1: That's so bizarrely similar to the image three seven zero incident,
Speaker 1: Like it's so weirdly similar, because God, it's I didn't
Speaker 1: know you think you were going to bring up a
Speaker 1: story like that, because the Image three seven zero incident,
Speaker 1: when I first started investigating it, the first thing I
Speaker 1: realized there's clearly a cover up at play, Like the
Speaker 1: way people are acting, the way they're obfuscating information, the
Speaker 1: way they would do press conferences, and the families are
Speaker 1: freaking out and crying, and the officials are like just
Speaker 1: saying like they're getting asked, like basic questions like can
Speaker 1: a plane just disappear? And they're like, well, that'll come
Speaker 1: out in the court or to the investigation. You're like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Like does this makes sense? If
Speaker 1: like you're running an open, transparent investigation where you're trying
Speaker 1: to get to the truth. So that scares me because
Speaker 1: the reason why that statement is so important, Uh, John,
Speaker 1: in my opinion is that there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: And going back to that UFO question I asked you
Speaker 1: about the various factions, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people out there that don't think the government is capable
Speaker 1: of doing something like that, and that the government is
Speaker 1: good and wouldn't lie to you, wouldn't present a fake narrative,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have the media control it. But it's more invasive,
Speaker 1: isn't it Where they are like specifically guiding you down
Speaker 1: a path to come to conclusion that they want you
Speaker 1: to come to, right, Like is that how you would?
Speaker 1: How do you think they do it?
Speaker 2: They do it with pressure, They do it with a culture,
Speaker 2: an entire culture ecosystem that lets you know, like for instance,
Speaker 2: and I'll just tell you this way in the in
Speaker 2: the the case of the t W A flight eight hundred. Uh,
Speaker 2: they didn't. They didn't need to pass out a lot
Speaker 2: of n d a's NDA non disclosure agreements because as
Speaker 2: an FBI agent, you were you were basically told by
Speaker 2: the chain of command, Uh, you better not pursue this,
Speaker 2: you better not pursue this, and you better not make
Speaker 2: any noise because if you do, that's that's all they
Speaker 2: needed to do, And that's all they needed to the
Speaker 2: chain of command just let you know that in those
Speaker 2: uncertain terms, no needs for NDAs, no NDA's here.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And you can and you can bet we will never
Speaker 2: find out the truth of that case until that particular
Speaker 2: United States President is on his deathbed. Maybe then maybe
Speaker 2: at that moment will be the only time that we
Speaker 2: will possibly get the truth of what happened there. And yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a pretty regular thing. And I want people to
Speaker 2: know the reason why Ashton Forbes is a national treasure
Speaker 2: is because he is the rarest kind of animal there
Speaker 2: is out there, an independent scientist who will find the
Speaker 2: truth and hold on to it no matter what, against
Speaker 2: all kinds of resistance, even from the scientific community themselves.
Speaker 2: And if all you need to do is look at
Speaker 2: this case, the MH nine seventy plane that.
Speaker 1: Disappeared seventy year close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get that right. The MH three
Speaker 2: seventy plane and the video of the orbs, the orb
Speaker 2: plasmas that were circling in and all that, and to
Speaker 2: have the strength of character to look at that and
Speaker 2: say that was real, That was real and no matter what,
Speaker 2: no matter how many people come after you, no matter
Speaker 2: I mean that the character that shows is it just
Speaker 2: shows that Ashton, you will be a legendary figure in
Speaker 2: the counter culture, which is what we It's just what
Speaker 2: we absolutely and I truly believe that.
Speaker 1: To the point too that you bring up is that's that,
Speaker 1: like you're the incentive structures are part of the problem.
Speaker 1: I think that when you really dig down to it,
Speaker 1: all these people have incentive structures, Like if you're in
Speaker 1: the government, you you listen to your boss. If you don't,
Speaker 1: then you're not going to get a promotion, you're not
Speaker 1: going to get a career bump. If you're an academia,
Speaker 1: if you go against mainstream academia, then you get blackballed.
Speaker 1: I spoke to Navy engineer Salvage Pais about this as well,
Speaker 1: and he says, like you have to realize I come
Speaker 1: from the academic world, where like I'm judged based on
Speaker 1: peer view papers and all this sort of stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't have those restrictions on me because I'm just a
Speaker 1: social media guy. I can research this stuff. I can
Speaker 1: present my opinions and it doesn't matter what people think,
Speaker 1: and if people don't want to believe it's real whatever,
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that, which I love.
Speaker 1: And that's why I like doing this podcast too, because
Speaker 1: I can talk to other people and who cares if
Speaker 1: you don't like it too bad? You know, I think
Speaker 1: that stuff's going to be real, and I want to
Speaker 1: talk to other people who have also had similar experiences
Speaker 1: like you, you've either you know, been exposed to stuff
Speaker 1: where like it's opened your mind, you know, in the
Speaker 1: same way, and that we can like figure this out
Speaker 1: and try to figure out what's the nature of this.
Speaker 1: Because this leads to my next question then, is like
Speaker 1: I'm convinced we've figured out how to make these balls
Speaker 1: of plasm I've spoken to enough engineers, watched enough clips
Speaker 1: of other Black Project engineers on the videos, and I'm
Speaker 1: convinced they've figured out a way to turn them into
Speaker 1: some kind of super weapon where you jam them together
Speaker 1: and it you know, like that happen on that video,
Speaker 1: vaporizes a plane, vaporizes a building, a ship, something like that.
Speaker 1: And that scares the heck out of me because I go, Damn,
Speaker 1: I could just imagine scaling that up and now you
Speaker 1: can have like there's no there's no limit how powerful
Speaker 1: something like that could be. And I look at that
Speaker 1: compared to where we're at right now, and I'm like, Damn,
Speaker 1: that's really really beyond where the public really think we're
Speaker 1: at right now, Like how do you cross that bridge
Speaker 1: and how do you try to interact with people when
Speaker 1: you're like, no, we got stuff that's like way more
Speaker 1: bans And do you agree that we figured it out?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely we did. I can tell you way back
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eleven, I had a similar experience
Speaker 2: to the one that you had with the MH three
Speaker 2: to seventy plane flight. And it was in twenty eleven
Speaker 2: January twenty eighth, we had an incident called the and
Speaker 2: it's called the Dome of the Rock UFO in Israel
Speaker 2: in it's Jerusalem, actually in Jerusalem, Israel, and it was
Speaker 2: the Dome of the Rock UFO and it happened to
Speaker 2: us while we were doing an operation, transnational operation and
Speaker 2: on the ground, our operators on the ground they told
Speaker 2: us from Israel, they said to us basically, whatever operation
Speaker 2: we're working on, they said, okay, this is canceled. We
Speaker 2: just had alien visitors just arrived in Jerusalem at two
Speaker 2: in the morning. At two in the morning on a Saturday,
Speaker 2: and this was And if you go to my YouTube page,
Speaker 2: my YouTube page which is John x Desusa on YouTube,
Speaker 2: and I actually have the best video of it. It's
Speaker 2: a collection, it's multi view cameras, several different sources of
Speaker 2: the same incident. And that's why they call it Dome
Speaker 2: of the Rock UFO, because in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night in Jerusalem, you had this plasma orb that came
Speaker 2: out of the sky and just came down and settled
Speaker 2: right over the Dome of the Rock, which is a
Speaker 2: very famous religious religious site, and they just settled right
Speaker 2: there and it just held there and everyone in Jerusalem.
Speaker 2: It was a Saturday night, and there were a lot
Speaker 2: of people out too. Everyone was tourists, locals, everybody was
Speaker 2: out apparently, and they all saw it and they all
Speaker 2: filmed it too. A lot of them did and that's
Speaker 2: what I put on my YouTube as well. I filmed it.
Speaker 2: I showed the film from six different angles, six different angles,
Speaker 2: including a weather camera that was up that night that
Speaker 2: recorded the exact same thing. The dome. The plasma orb
Speaker 2: settled over the dome of the rock. It stood there
Speaker 2: for maybe just like ten seconds, ten seconds, twenty seconds,
Speaker 2: and then it gave off a flash of energy that
Speaker 2: covered it went through all of Jerusalem. It gave off
Speaker 2: this flash of energy and then it just went straight
Speaker 2: up into the air and it just disappeared at a
Speaker 2: speed that was difficult to gauge.
Speaker 1: You know, the flash of energy thing is really interesting
Speaker 1: because because one of the things I found is that
Speaker 1: that Emagery seven zero video has a flash of energy,
Speaker 1: a flash of light that gets given off in it. Now,
Speaker 1: I was wonderful, is that a science thing? Like I
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about it. This turns out we've got
Speaker 1: these virtual photons all around us all the time, and
Speaker 1: if you pack too much electromagnetic energy, or if you
Speaker 1: push the electromagnetergy out, it releases real photons from nothing
Speaker 1: from the vacuum. So basically you can pull real photons
Speaker 1: out with a huge amount of electromagnetic energy, and so
Speaker 1: that explains what we might be seeing when these orbs
Speaker 1: or craft are able to, uh, you know, break through
Speaker 1: the light limit or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have a term for it just yet,
Speaker 1: but the Shwinger limit, I guess maybe. So that might
Speaker 1: be a reason for why you were seeing some of that.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like this was your experience where you
Speaker 1: kind of woke up and realized, oh boy, there's like
Speaker 1: something major going on in this world that you haven't
Speaker 1: been privy to. Is that true?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And when I saw that, and then when I
Speaker 2: saw all the different camera angles, the different people videotaping
Speaker 2: the same thing. You know, you're always supposed to check
Speaker 2: different various independent sources that are not colluding, they're not
Speaker 2: working with each other, but they all duplicate the exact
Speaker 2: same thing. That's when you know you're looking at something
Speaker 2: true here. But then what we were told back in
Speaker 2: the States when this happened, I had an individual we
Speaker 2: always called him the smoking man, and he was a
Speaker 2: person who was from the global structure and he always
Speaker 2: showed up with either he was a State Department employee,
Speaker 2: it was CIA employee. Different things but he would always
Speaker 2: show up and tell us what was really going on.
Speaker 2: And this guy he showed up, his name was well,
Speaker 2: the name he used at that moment was Millsuit, and
Speaker 2: he came in and he would just smoke in public
Speaker 2: areas where you were not allowed to smoke, and then
Speaker 2: he would tell us. He'd say, yeah, I heard about
Speaker 2: that operation you guys are working, and that the aliens
Speaker 2: have arrived in Jerusalem as of today, and he said
Speaker 2: don't And because we were all excited, we were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: the next morning, this is gonna be everywhere. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be millions of hits. It's gonna be insane that everyone's
Speaker 2: gonna know. And he told us basically another one and
Speaker 2: he said, by the morning. We have different shops that
Speaker 2: are out there always monitoring everything, and their whole purpose
Speaker 2: is to make sure that the public doesn't find out
Speaker 2: about anything that is genuinely paranormal or alien in nature.
Speaker 2: So what they do is they do duplicates of whatever happened.
Speaker 2: Let's say this Dome of the Rock thing, and they'll
Speaker 2: do their own duplicates so that the algorithm will catch
Speaker 2: on to their version.
Speaker 1: Of what was not not the real thing.
Speaker 2: Like, for instance, if someone gets the like when the
Speaker 2: Patterson h video of Bigfoot, you know, came out well
Speaker 2: at the same time, and he told us, these are
Speaker 2: CIA shops. These are shops that because the because the Illuminati,
Speaker 2: the cabal, are terrified that we will get real information
Speaker 2: about real supernatural topics. So they have these shops that
Speaker 2: actually wait for something to come out, and when they
Speaker 2: see it, their analysts create duplicates and they'll so that
Speaker 2: they grab control of the algorithm, and they'll show a
Speaker 2: guy in a in a Bigfoot outfit, you know, that
Speaker 2: looks really crappy and really garbage y, and they'll just
Speaker 2: have him fooling around and then you'll say, and then
Speaker 2: that will take over the algorithm from the Patterson Gimli
Speaker 2: or Patterson Gimbli video, So that when millions of people
Speaker 2: the next day rush to go see the dome of
Speaker 2: the Rock Ufo dome in the Rock Ufo, they'll actually
Speaker 2: encounter the CIA shot made video that shows some bright
Speaker 2: red thing moving through Jerusalem, and they'll say that looks
Speaker 2: very very fake, very cgi very nonsensical. And so that
Speaker 2: all those millions of people the next day that are
Speaker 2: trying to see this video. They won't see the actual video,
Speaker 2: the videos that I.
Speaker 1: Don't have upload story related to that. And before I do,
Speaker 1: I want to say something that was about the smoking
Speaker 1: man comment, like isn't that just the best like fu
Speaker 1: to be Like a smoking man shows up that doesn't
Speaker 1: care about smoking laws, smoking cigarettes in a public building
Speaker 1: where he's not allowed to smoke, and he's just telling
Speaker 1: you about Yep, the aliens came and you're like, crap,
Speaker 1: is this gonna make the front page news? Nope, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna make the news at all, not even gonna
Speaker 1: make page six. Like, sorry, we control everything, and everything's
Speaker 1: a lie. We manage your entire perception. And just the
Speaker 1: fact that he's smoking in a non smoking area shows
Speaker 1: he's just like above the law, you know, like the
Speaker 1: rules are for the little people, they're not for the
Speaker 1: people like me.
Speaker 2: Right, he was, And he would explain that to us
Speaker 2: all the time. He would say, you guys are idiots.
Speaker 2: You think that we can let this information out to
Speaker 2: the little people. He said, what do you want to
Speaker 2: You want to destroy society? Is that what you guys want?
Speaker 2: And we'd be like, no, we're investigators. We want the
Speaker 2: truth to be found and then we want to give
Speaker 2: the truth to other people. He said, that's exactly why
Speaker 2: you're idiots. That's what he told me. And then the
Speaker 2: next day we found out that everything he said happened
Speaker 2: exactly as he said. And I've ever since then, I have.
Speaker 1: Had a very been believer.
Speaker 2: I've been had a terrible, terrible time trying to show
Speaker 2: people that this twenty eleven dome of the Rock UFO
Speaker 2: was real. It was absolutely real, and it looks just
Speaker 2: like the don't the plasma orbs. It's exactly a precursor
Speaker 2: of those the plasma orbs.
Speaker 1: This is what I want to talk to you because
Speaker 1: a lot of videos are just too they're not compelling enough,
Speaker 1: no matter what, even with six angles. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: got two videos of a plane that's a real plane
Speaker 1: that's still missing today that are military videos and infrared
Speaker 1: and thermal from two different angles, and people are still going, well,
Speaker 1: it's cgi. It's like people will make up any excuse
Speaker 1: to not believe something. But this is why, like for me,
Speaker 1: I took it to the next levels like, okay, well
Speaker 1: if that's real, then I need to understand is the
Speaker 1: science real? Whereas that cumbering must be out there somewhere.
Speaker 1: I found out it was all just hidden in plain sight.
Speaker 1: And that's what really started to spook me when I
Speaker 1: started finding the science and I'm like, oh, here it is.
Speaker 1: You just intersect these laser beams attosecond lasers and you
Speaker 1: can produce plasma. It's like, oh, it's just out there.
Speaker 1: Because then I'm like, how have they been hiding all this?
Speaker 1: How are there people not figuring it out? And then
Speaker 1: you find people like you and other people I found
Speaker 1: that are like, oh they have been, but only a
Speaker 1: small number of people. Most people are just kind of asleep.
Speaker 1: And you're right about the disinformation. I think it's even
Speaker 1: more nefarious than what you said about it. I strongly
Speaker 1: suspect that there is a video of the us USS
Speaker 1: Columbia the shuttle that this like burnt up on re
Speaker 1: entry in two thousand and three. There's a very weird,
Speaker 1: old looking video on the Internet that looks like what
Speaker 1: NASA would be looking through a camera at there destroyed
Speaker 1: shuttle in outer space. It looks just like if the
Speaker 1: gravity looks exactly correct, and then at the end it
Speaker 1: just has it like somebody come on, just says the
Speaker 1: faking hoaxer and it says this was CGI, and it
Speaker 1: almost looks like the government just took the real video
Speaker 1: and they just added this imaginary person to it, pretending
Speaker 1: to make the video.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what they did.
Speaker 1: They do all the time, right, all that covers up
Speaker 1: the real video. And now anybody that looks at it
Speaker 1: just goes, oh no, oh, that person claimed to have
Speaker 1: faked it, and you're like, well, you're like that would
Speaker 1: be a lot of work, Like that's like better than
Speaker 1: Angley's Gravity or was it Angry to make Gravity? Whatever
Speaker 1: made that movie Gravity with Sunder Bullock in it? Like this,
Speaker 1: whoever made this has that kind of effect? Can I
Speaker 1: watch them? Is there a video of them making that?
Speaker 1: This video? Because it's pretty damn impressive. And that's what
Speaker 1: I asked about the m S three seven zero videos too,
Speaker 1: where I'm going like, if this is fake, who made it?
Speaker 1: Show me the I want to see a video of
Speaker 1: somebody making this, because it looks impossible when you look
Speaker 1: at the details.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I don't ask that because then
Speaker 2: they'll go and they'll reverse engineer it and they'll do
Speaker 2: exactly that.
Speaker 1: I know what. Let me just jump in there because
Speaker 1: I thought that would happen. Like over a year ago,
Speaker 1: I thought that the play that would happen after I
Speaker 1: realized this stuff's real, and I have this shock like
Speaker 1: you've had as well, where I'm like, oh, crap, they
Speaker 1: like really trying to cover this stuff up, and they've
Speaker 1: been covering it up. I was like, the next thing
Speaker 1: they're gonna do is they're going to have somebody come
Speaker 1: out and like claim to have made the video and
Speaker 1: make like some recreation based on it, you know, and
Speaker 1: then it'll be so good that people will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: obviously they did it. But you know what, it never happened.
Speaker 1: Nobody was ever able to recreate the videos. I thought
Speaker 1: for sure that was their next play, right.
Speaker 2: But the only reason that they didn't do that is
Speaker 2: because they're trying to show how not worried they are
Speaker 2: about you. It's breaking through with this thing. That's what
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: The answer is. That's so crazy. I think they like
Speaker 1: they're just not afraid, like I have. General somebody told me,
Speaker 1: literally General Joseph Dunford. You guys can look him up
Speaker 1: Lockheed Martin Board of Directors. Now, he is the guy
Speaker 1: that started Space Force under Trump. He's like one of
Speaker 1: the he was the top rank military personal person for
Speaker 1: like four years until twenty nineteen. I got a source
Speaker 1: that told me, like he saw the videos and like
Speaker 1: didn't lie at them. You know, like people just ignore that.
Speaker 1: These people aren't afraid. They're not afraid at all, Like
Speaker 1: they know that nobody's gonna believe this no matter what.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you got, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's what it is. Like like the
Speaker 2: Turkey have you ever seen the Turkey UFOs?
Speaker 1: Uh? The one my favorite one one where they zoom
Speaker 1: in on it and you guys got a super nice camera.
Speaker 1: You're like, that's the kind of stuff we need.
Speaker 2: But that's another one they never really tried to fake.
Speaker 2: And it's for the same reason. It's because they just
Speaker 2: are so confident and they just believe that you'll never
Speaker 2: break through to millions and millions and millions with this thing.
Speaker 2: That's that's what it is. Because I've i've I've shown
Speaker 2: that Turkey UFO uh videos and again that's also on
Speaker 2: my YouTube. People can go see it, uh, and it's
Speaker 2: it's various the best versions of it, because there are
Speaker 2: numerous versions of the Turkey US.
Speaker 1: For the problem is, like even those videos and that's
Speaker 1: a great one when guys us really high, really high
Speaker 1: quality camera with super powerful digital or super powerful zoom,
Speaker 1: so we can get this really high quality video. But
Speaker 1: even in those videos, especially because now we're realizing it's
Speaker 1: plasma and like plasma orbs are this thing, You're just
Speaker 1: seeing a ball of light. So a lot of the
Speaker 1: debunker skeptic people are just going, oh, well, you're looking
Speaker 1: at a star or something, because it looks identical to
Speaker 1: what a star would look like. But that's just because
Speaker 1: it's a plasma ball. So now you're like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is why the military is filming an infrared and thermal
Speaker 1: because this is how you see more information as opposed
Speaker 1: to the optical spectrumen you're just looking at a pinpoint
Speaker 1: of light. And when I started to realize that, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: now the puzzle pieces are really coming together. Because I
Speaker 1: wondered when those tic TAC videos, the nimens, all those
Speaker 1: videos come up, like why is this all like forward
Speaker 1: looking infrared. I didn't even know what that meant back then,
Speaker 1: and now compared to what I know now, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: well that's nothing compared to what we got now. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we got video coverage of everything. So do you think
Speaker 1: that we're like filming and seeing a bunch of UFOs
Speaker 1: in the sky and just not telling the world and
Speaker 1: we've got like a repository of videos out there.
Speaker 2: The genuine UFOs. Yeah, sometimes they we are seeing them.
Speaker 2: But right now I'd say about ninety nine percent of
Speaker 2: what we are seeing observing recording are all these fake
Speaker 2: UAPs that are man made. They are these super weapon
Speaker 2: drones that are again man made, And even the plasma
Speaker 2: orbs that we are seeing, ninety of them, I would say,
Speaker 2: are basically just man made. And there's a chance that
Speaker 2: even the plasma orbs are somehow created, even by the
Speaker 2: drones themselves somehow, because these drones appear to have zero
Speaker 2: point energy. They appear to have because if you observe them,
Speaker 2: there's there's no propulsion, there's no know, there's no visible means,
Speaker 2: there's no infrared signal, there's no heat signature, there's nothing
Speaker 2: that is conventionally human in that. But at the same
Speaker 2: at the same time, we've had a couple of congressmen
Speaker 2: whose whose names I try not to say, who have
Speaker 2: been in on all the briefings. They've been read into
Speaker 2: everything and they have and they have said, uh, these
Speaker 2: drones have components. A couple of these drones were shot
Speaker 2: down amazingly by by plasma orbs supposedly, and they have
Speaker 2: been shut down, they have been grabbed by the US military,
Speaker 2: and there has been a lot of examination, and both
Speaker 2: of these congressmen, separately on different occasions, both have said, yeah,
Speaker 2: these drones have components from China. They have components.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you about that next. So you think
Speaker 1: China has this technology figured out?
Speaker 2: Now, not that would be the worst case scenario, but
Speaker 2: but what they also said was uh, And you had
Speaker 2: people like Gordon Chang watches China and the CCP very carefully,
Speaker 2: and one of the things that he said is that
Speaker 2: if if China is involved in this, uh, there's there's
Speaker 2: probably many other enemies of America also involved in this
Speaker 2: in these uh these super weapon drones as well, so
Speaker 2: that it's not any one country that's involved with this.
Speaker 2: But you know, we're gonna find out more about this
Speaker 2: the day after inauguration because Trump has promised that he
Speaker 2: is going to let the cat out of the bag,
Speaker 2: which also gets kind of more bizarre because because it's
Speaker 2: like it's almost like Trump is goading them into using
Speaker 2: these drones against him at the inauguration because he's saying,
Speaker 2: if I get inaugurated, I'm gonna let the whole cat
Speaker 2: out of the bag the day after. So you guys
Speaker 2: have just one shot, one shot, like a like eminem sense,
Speaker 2: you got one shot, just one shot to grab everything
Speaker 2: you ever wanted. Will you let it? Will you let
Speaker 2: it slip?
Speaker 1: Set? Uh No, Yeah, that's a good point because it
Speaker 1: does seem like I I'm actually on board with this
Speaker 1: narrative that like the cabal is the deep state is
Speaker 1: afraid that Trump is going to clean house on them.
Speaker 1: And this is what I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: will realize too, is like, yes, you only appoint certain positions,
Speaker 1: but those people are basically your boss of the entire
Speaker 1: you know, three letter agency. And like you just pointed out,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of control and power that comes over
Speaker 1: that in terms of top down decision making that occurs
Speaker 1: in terms of what you can investigate in what you can't.
Speaker 2: So and you probably you probably know this too. Uh.
Speaker 2: We had another Congressman up Burchett from Tennessee who said,
Speaker 2: who said that these these things that are being created, Uh,
Speaker 2: he said, there is absolutely involvement in creating these lsds,
Speaker 2: these large super weapon drones. He said, there is involvement
Speaker 2: from McDonald, Douglas, Rayfon, skunk Works, and all of these companies,
Speaker 2: which I've got news for you, guys, they're not American.
Speaker 2: You may think that they're American. I'm talking to your
Speaker 2: audience and people Normans. They think that these are these
Speaker 2: things are American. They're not. They serve the global superstructure,
Speaker 2: and they serve the global industrial weapons complex and military
Speaker 2: industrial complex. That's what they serve. They have no care
Speaker 2: for what happens to America whatsoever. And that's why we
Speaker 2: had a Congressman Burchett who said the other day, he said,
Speaker 2: those companies are completely involved in building these things, you know,
Speaker 2: in addition to China and whoever else.
Speaker 1: Is also it's scary because who are the investors in
Speaker 1: those companies than those are the people who are really
Speaker 1: the and so the company could be American, but the
Speaker 1: investors can be from any where you want potentially, So
Speaker 1: it makes a big difference. And then what two more
Speaker 1: companies that are now being exposed just in the last
Speaker 1: few days, but Tel Institute, they get ten billion dollars
Speaker 1: per year, all from the federal government. There are nonprofit
Speaker 1: and they run all the Department of Energies labs across
Speaker 1: the entire country, all our super secret labs. But tell
Speaker 1: Institute all federal money, non for profit. Also Aerospace Corporation
Speaker 1: also a non for profit, all federal money one point
Speaker 1: two billion dollars last year. All they do is basically
Speaker 1: hire scientists and then they contract them out to like
Speaker 1: Lockeing Martin whatever to do secret projects. So all of
Speaker 1: these things are buried with what career would call use apps,
Speaker 1: unacknowledged special access programs that basically there's no oversight too.
Speaker 1: And this is how they hide it all where you
Speaker 1: know it's under these it's federal money going to private
Speaker 1: corporations where then immune from four and so it's like
Speaker 1: this very nefarious configuration of how it's all set up.
Speaker 1: But I'm also skeptical that Trump will deliver all the goods,
Speaker 1: Like I think he'll come out and say like, either yes,
Speaker 1: it was our drones or he'll say like it was
Speaker 1: China's drones. Whatever. We know, because we know we've got
Speaker 1: we've got surveillance capabilities. We know, But I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna come out and say, yes, we've got free
Speaker 1: energy or plasma orbs that can annihilate the planet. Like
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna say go that far, which
Speaker 1: is how if it was you or me, we would
Speaker 1: probably you know, large super weapon drones. But for him,
Speaker 1: I think that's where he's gonna draw it short, because
Speaker 1: it is national security, like it literally is, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's where it's like when you said, I don't
Speaker 1: want China to have this. This is why everybody was
Speaker 1: on me when it came to the drone stuff and
Speaker 1: the cyber truck guy. Because the whole narrative I've been
Speaker 1: presenting of m A three seven zero is that we're
Speaker 1: preventing China from getting this technology. And I think that
Speaker 1: we could justify some pretty evil acts in order to
Speaker 1: prevent China from getting large super weapon drone technology. Would
Speaker 1: you agree with that?
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The reason that all of this is breakaway technology
Speaker 2: that is used by the deep state that's a better
Speaker 2: word than cabal the state, and the deep state is
Speaker 2: just the American subsidiary of the cabal. But it's a
Speaker 2: good way to put it. But all of this breakaway
Speaker 2: technology is owned by the Deep State, which is also
Speaker 2: closely associated with the military industrial complex, which is global.
Speaker 2: It is not American, it is global. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: the Pentagon and many other subsidiaries of that as well.
Speaker 2: They're all global. They're intimately connected with the deep State.
Speaker 1: And I do want to ask about this, which is
Speaker 1: the origins of this technology, in your opinions on it,
Speaker 1: because when I started digging into like the whole non
Speaker 1: human intelligence thing, I found out there there is dozens
Speaker 1: of options, everything from beings living under the water and
Speaker 1: under the earth, extraterrestrials and interdimensional beings. Some people were
Speaker 1: saying that these plasma orbs could be like gin or
Speaker 1: angels or you know, things like that, ai as being
Speaker 1: some of the options as well. Like there were so
Speaker 1: many options, I was like, man and then also just
Speaker 1: the breakaway civilization option, which also has its own splinter scenarios,
Speaker 1: which is where I'm kind of leaning right now. But
Speaker 1: I'm honestly open minded to like really any option. Oh
Speaker 1: there's also I don't want to forget the option of
Speaker 1: like we dug up some ancient technology from a previous
Speaker 1: civilization that was on this planet too, and then figured
Speaker 1: out from there where what is your research kind of
Speaker 1: shown and where you think this is all coming from.
Speaker 2: I think that the proof that all this technology is hoarded,
Speaker 2: grabbed by held onto by the same the same people.
Speaker 2: It is the deep state, It is the cabal that
Speaker 2: sees themselves as in charge of the nations, because if
Speaker 2: that wasn't the case. And what that really means is
Speaker 2: that whenever we find this alien technology Antarctica Base, let's say,
Speaker 2: or something like that, you'll have the Cabal will swoop
Speaker 2: in there with their forces to make sure they get
Speaker 2: they grab every bit of that technology. That's how it happens.
Speaker 2: That's how it always goes on. And the reason that
Speaker 2: we know today that that's how it happens is because
Speaker 2: none of the nations, the United States, China, has not
Speaker 2: used this technology against another nation in a large sense
Speaker 2: at all. It's never happened. And the only reason it's
Speaker 2: never happened is because the Cabal is very careful about
Speaker 2: that not to allow any unlimited access to the any
Speaker 2: only one nation to this stuff, because if they did,
Speaker 2: the nation would we'd be using it against China, China
Speaker 2: would be using it against us. And that's a reason
Speaker 2: why even if there are Chinese components in these large
Speaker 2: super weapon drones. I don't I don't believe China has
Speaker 2: any control over over this because they.
Speaker 1: Like, what if do you think there's an alien species
Speaker 1: out there? Do you think they're visiting us? Do you
Speaker 1: think they're underwater? You think they look like us? What
Speaker 1: do you think about aliens? Yes?
Speaker 2: And all those all those patterns have been u been copied,
Speaker 2: kind of like like when a serial killer, uh goes
Speaker 2: out and does his signature of how he kills people,
Speaker 2: but then he gets copycats, fans admirers who end up
Speaker 2: copying his exact signature, trying to be exactly like him,
Speaker 2: and they go out and they do the same the
Speaker 2: same types of murders. That's what we're looking at here
Speaker 2: where I see where they want us to believe this
Speaker 2: is this could possibly be aliens that are accompanying these
Speaker 2: large super weapon drones, the orbs and plasmas. They're not,
Speaker 2: They're absolutely not not at this point anyway. I mean,
Speaker 2: there is a chance that later we could get some
Speaker 2: alien involvement with this situation if it just gets out
Speaker 2: of hand, and that's one of the things We're gonna
Speaker 2: see which way it goes. Once the large the LSD's
Speaker 2: are exposed for what they are.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that we've figured out these super weapons
Speaker 1: potentially based on alien technology, copying this other technology, and
Speaker 1: that maybe we're being monitored as like little children playing
Speaker 1: around with toys. Make sure we don't mess around too much.
Speaker 2: I like that. Yes, that's exactly correct, and I do
Speaker 2: believe they're watching very closely. And it depends on what
Speaker 2: actually which way we go with this, You know, as
Speaker 2: long as you know whoever is using the drones doesn't
Speaker 2: go whole sale to just destroy another society with them.
Speaker 2: When that happens, I think higher powers are going to
Speaker 2: have to get involved. That's how I think we're looking
Speaker 2: at it now.
Speaker 1: I think so we Do you think that they are
Speaker 1: gonna just like teleport out of nowhere and appier? Do
Speaker 1: you think they're going to come out of the water.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna come from outer space or
Speaker 1: where do you think they would come from.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to come from the same place
Speaker 2: they always come from, from these portals that are created
Speaker 2: all over the Earth. Because this is a multi dimensional reality,
Speaker 2: our existence with whatever alien visitors, there are the real ones,
Speaker 2: the genuine ones. I think they've always used portals that
Speaker 2: come here because they're not from outer space. They don't
Speaker 2: lock themselves in tin cans and sail across from planet
Speaker 2: to planet. None of that happens. Actually, just use portals
Speaker 2: to come true and to do their deeds, and then
Speaker 2: they go back.
Speaker 1: That's the scariest thing, though, isn't it. Like if you know,
Speaker 1: all the movies are like, oh, it's like Independence Day,
Speaker 1: the ship's gonna come flying down us. But what if
Speaker 1: instead they just instantly appear out of nowhere right like
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's just ships everywhere, right on
Speaker 1: top of us. Like that would be way scarier, and
Speaker 1: I think a better reflection of the relative difference in technology.
Speaker 1: Like we always look at everything through a lens of
Speaker 1: our own technology, But a civilization that's a million years
Speaker 1: more advanced than us, it has access to the zero
Speaker 1: point energy all around us that can build a material
Speaker 1: at the atomic layer and make basically any property they want,
Speaker 1: They're going to look at us like ants. We're like
Speaker 1: little ants to them. At least in my opinion, I
Speaker 1: think it's a little sad that humans think we're so
Speaker 1: advanced when we're probably just cave men messing around compared
Speaker 1: to some more advanced civilization. So so I guess, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that's a good thought. Like
Speaker 1: I think that they wouldn't care about us, so they
Speaker 1: probably just watching and like, you know, see what the
Speaker 1: kids are doing until they mess up, because we're so
Speaker 1: just far beneath them at this point. But so if
Speaker 1: you favored a certain opinion on where they were coming from,
Speaker 1: so then you would say that they could be coming
Speaker 1: from pretty much anywhere, right because of the portal situation,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't pretty much they're saying that our reality
Speaker 1: is so you would have subscribed to the multi universe,
Speaker 1: multi reality timeline or time situation where you can just
Speaker 1: like jump between potential realities. There might be multiverse of
Speaker 1: realities going on at once. Is that your your thought process?
Speaker 2: Yes? Or they could be coming from Earth itself in
Speaker 2: a different time period as well, so that's a movement
Speaker 2: in a different direction, but still multi dimensional as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, okay, that's what I want to understand
Speaker 1: was what your perspective of multi dimensional was. And I
Speaker 1: totally agree with your perspective on there. I'm not personally
Speaker 1: convinced that we've got like a multi universe thing going on,
Speaker 1: but I haven't ruled it out. I just don't have
Speaker 1: enough data to assume. I think the ways to look
Speaker 1: at it, in my opinion, are one either time is
Speaker 1: deterministic where we don't really have free will and everything
Speaker 1: was always predestined to be or like what you said
Speaker 1: with multi universe, where like everything's happening slightly differently in
Speaker 1: different universes and you can kind of slide between them
Speaker 1: based on your decisions. I think they're both really interesting theories,
Speaker 1: and I think they opened the door to time travel,
Speaker 1: which is potentially important when we're talking about this stuff
Speaker 1: with portals, because like if you go through a portal
Speaker 1: and now you're on the other side of the universe, Like,
Speaker 1: how does that work with time? And like if you
Speaker 1: come back through the portal, is it like a Narnia
Speaker 1: situation and now it's like a thousand years later or
Speaker 1: is it you know, you come back through and it's
Speaker 1: a normal time again. I don't know. It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on.
Speaker 2: Time Einstein was real or whether he was just something
Speaker 2: that was put together by the powers that existed at
Speaker 2: the time in order to make us believe certain things.
Speaker 2: So I think I think the best answers on that
Speaker 2: probably lies with Tesla and his writings, and I think
Speaker 2: we need to comb over those with a fine tooth comb,
Speaker 2: and that will give us a lot more insight than
Speaker 2: any of the other any of the other people that
Speaker 2: we look at today. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: I agree a lot. I used to think he was
Speaker 1: a mythical character, and then I found out that he
Speaker 1: was no really a guy and all the power we
Speaker 1: use is based on his inventions. And oh, he thought
Speaker 1: that free energy was possible based on radiant energy, which
Speaker 1: is now basically just zero point energy, And it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he thought all of this, and we just kind of
Speaker 1: ignored it for a hundred years years. One more thought
Speaker 1: on the alien thing. Here's the thought for you. I
Speaker 1: want to get your opinion on these plasma orbs. What
Speaker 1: if it turns out they're like really easy to invent?
Speaker 1: Like we it only seems hard because we just haven't
Speaker 1: thought about trying to make them, But what if if
Speaker 1: it turns out like we can make them as easy.
Speaker 1: I have this lighter I keep around for examples, and
Speaker 1: I think it's ran out of juice, But like, what
Speaker 1: if we could make a plasm orb as simple as
Speaker 1: I can turn this lighter on, right, What if this
Speaker 1: was a plasma orb generator and that's all I needed,
Speaker 1: and I could just make a plasma orb and then
Speaker 1: the plasma orb, just like a bubble, starts floating around
Speaker 1: and then eventually it dissipates. But you know, we can
Speaker 1: control it moving around. What if it turns out that
Speaker 1: that is just some property of the universe, and like
Speaker 1: any civilization that once you figure that out, now you've
Speaker 1: just moved up, like the scale from like you know,
Speaker 1: cave men figuring out fire, this is like fire cavemen
Speaker 1: figuring out electricity. Like that's how much you would jump up.
Speaker 1: The reason why I wanted to get your opinion on
Speaker 1: is this is because, like you said, like we're making
Speaker 1: our own artificial version of these What if these aliens
Speaker 1: that are out there, whatever any non human intelligence worth,
Speaker 1: they figure out how to make them too, and that
Speaker 1: you know, progressed created this huge growth in technological advance
Speaker 1: for any civilization. Do you think that's a theory that
Speaker 1: makes sense to you? You like that theory?
Speaker 2: Yes, it does. It does very much suck, And I
Speaker 2: think it's very possible that we can create plasmas in
Speaker 2: the way that you're saying. However, the adendum I would
Speaker 2: add to that is that it really looks like there
Speaker 2: would be a point where these plasmas, these orbs would
Speaker 2: become sentient, would become alive, and then you'd have the
Speaker 2: problem of well, if they do become alive, then what
Speaker 2: if they become independent, independent of the creator, and are
Speaker 2: able to run around and do whatever they plan to do,
Speaker 2: whatever they think is important. See, that's the other factor
Speaker 2: I think you have to add in because from what
Speaker 2: I've seen, there's a lot of these plasma UFOs that
Speaker 2: behave kind of like they're alive, like not biological life
Speaker 2: in the sense that we know, but there's mechanical life.
Speaker 2: There's other types of sentience and life that we are
Speaker 2: not prepared to understand fully. And I think that would
Speaker 2: be the other factor, because then what if you create
Speaker 2: these plasma orbs Ashton and then they just decide that,
Speaker 2: you know, you're not worthy of being alive or around
Speaker 2: because you're just biological and that's not important to them,
Speaker 2: you know. So I think that's another factor that we
Speaker 2: need to add in there.
Speaker 1: Because I'm one hundred percent all in on what you
Speaker 1: just said right there, And I didn't used to be
Speaker 1: like a little over a year ago, it was salvageur Pais.
Speaker 1: When I first spoke to him, he started talking about
Speaker 1: conscious plasma and everything else he was telling me was
Speaker 1: so grounded. And I listened to I'm like, hmmm, and
Speaker 1: he's telling me about Joseph Ferrell, and I think other
Speaker 1: people said, uh, crap, Robert temple Book, I forget the
Speaker 1: name of it. All talk about this idea of conscious plasma.
Speaker 1: And then though, the more you start investigating Tesla and
Speaker 1: this idea of this energy all around us, you really
Speaker 1: start to wonder, like what is sentience? Like what if
Speaker 1: sentience is just a permanent connection to this energy that's
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, we eat all the time so
Speaker 1: that we always have energy in us, and the moment
Speaker 1: we stop, well.
Speaker 2: We die.
Speaker 1: So why couldn't the ball of plasma, if it has
Speaker 1: a permanent connection to that energy field, why couldn't it
Speaker 1: be sentient? And the other thing that I tell people too,
Speaker 1: anyone that's skeptical of this things iss far and well,
Speaker 1: look at all the different types of life we have
Speaker 1: on the plant. We have trees and plants, those are
Speaker 1: is that sentient. I mean it's alive. We have dogs, animals, fish, squid,
Speaker 1: all these other types of creatures that are out there,
Speaker 1: and human beings and monkeys. To me, it seems like
Speaker 1: a pretty logical answer that the connection to this energy
Speaker 1: field is life. And then you broach the topic of
Speaker 1: like the same problem with AI. What if AI or
Speaker 1: a sentient plasma or some combination. Can you imagine that
Speaker 1: a sentient AI plasma decides that, well, we're biologic, we're
Speaker 1: basically just ants and you step on ants, or we're
Speaker 1: let's say we're a parasite, and it decides we're a
Speaker 1: parasite and we're not in harming enough with the universe
Speaker 1: in sides to wipe us out. Like I'm actually terrified
Speaker 1: of that. I'm pretty sure at this point, like that's
Speaker 1: just guaranteed what's going to happen. Everybody else is going, no, Ashton,
Speaker 1: the AI is totally great, blah blah blah, nothing's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting going over here, guys like, can we
Speaker 1: delete all the AI before it's too late because we're cooked? Guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, the one thing that comforts me is that I
Speaker 2: do believe in God, and I do believe that God
Speaker 2: of One is God of all. Either you believe in
Speaker 2: God or you don't. And that I think that there's
Speaker 2: a there's a factor here that one of the reasons why,
Speaker 2: for instance, God allowed, for instance, the Ananaki and they're
Speaker 2: not by any means the only ones, but they allowed
Speaker 2: He allowed Ananachi to create new forms of life, which
Speaker 2: they did. We have, We have all the recordings all
Speaker 2: over Earth when the anaki Uh create and who are
Speaker 2: also sometimes referred to as fallen angels Uh, and they
Speaker 2: came and they created different forms of life, and they
Speaker 2: have paintings and frescoes showing them doing this and having
Speaker 2: their little battery packs with them and all kinds of
Speaker 2: crazy stuff like that. And I think that one of
Speaker 2: the things about the creatures that separate from God is
Speaker 2: that they always go back to trying to imitate God
Speaker 2: and be just like God, which means creating life, creating
Speaker 2: new life. And so I I think it actually amuses
Speaker 2: the creator God to actually let them try to be
Speaker 2: like him. I think that's one of the things that
Speaker 2: we see going on. And that's why this conversation is
Speaker 2: so important about the plasma orbs getting consciousness and AI
Speaker 2: getting consciousness. And I think that sort of thing is
Speaker 2: going to be allowed. It's going to be allowed because
Speaker 2: it somehow it amuses God to watch us and watch
Speaker 2: others try to be just like him. I think that's
Speaker 2: what we're facing here.
Speaker 1: Well, he made us in his image, so it makes sense, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the whole point. And that's what scares
Speaker 1: me too about this idea that maybe it is all
Speaker 1: just a simulation, and where a simulation that another life
Speaker 1: form created, that another life form created, and eventually you
Speaker 1: get up to God. You know, that's also a solution
Speaker 1: to the answer. And so it's like, oh man, maybe
Speaker 1: we are in a simulation. We're like three simulations deep
Speaker 1: already right now.
Speaker 2: Because you read Thomas Campbell My Big Toe.
Speaker 1: No I haven't, but obvious alike, right.
Speaker 2: Check him out because h Thomas Campbell is a physic
Speaker 2: physicist and he's kind of like quantum. I don't know
Speaker 2: if they call themselves quantum, but he's like a quantum physicist.
Speaker 2: He's brilliant, brilliant thinker, and he's the one who wrote
Speaker 2: My Big Toe My Theory of Everything, Uh, and he's
Speaker 2: just he's just amazing, and he says he can just
Speaker 2: take a few steps to prove to you, and he
Speaker 2: does in this book to prove to you that you
Speaker 2: are in a similar simulation that may be exactly like
Speaker 2: what you describe. Uh So, he's just he's just a
Speaker 2: brilliant guy. That's one of the few scientists. You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about science, but I know, but
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I am an investigator, and I
Speaker 2: and I'm an investigator, and I know. What I do
Speaker 2: know is when people are lying to me or when
Speaker 2: they're telling me the truth. And I find most scientists
Speaker 2: are kind of like used car salesmen trying to sell lemons,
Speaker 2: and they're just trying to feed you all kinds of nonsense.
Speaker 2: And I don't need to know a lot about science
Speaker 2: to say to myself, this guy's just making this bullshit up.
Speaker 2: He's just making shit up. He's just it's this nonsense.
Speaker 2: And when I hear somebody like Thomas Campbell or yourself,
Speaker 2: I can say, Wow, these guys they're telling the truth.
Speaker 2: They're committed to the truth, they're convicted by the truth,
Speaker 2: and that really makes all the difference in the world.
Speaker 2: And it's the reason why I've only trusted a few
Speaker 2: people as scientists throughout the years, like Nicole Tesla McKenna,
Speaker 2: Thomas Campbell, and very few others, and I recommend it's
Speaker 2: a good way to be Just find out if they're
Speaker 2: telling you the truth, that's first. That's the most important thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's a good note to end
Speaker 1: it on for our discussion today. So I just want
Speaker 1: to thank you John Desusa, a former FBI agent, having
Speaker 1: this conversation with me talking about the deep state, corruption,
Speaker 1: plasma orbs and aliens and all this fun stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just blessed to be on this earth be able
Speaker 1: to talk to fun people like you, and I do
Speaker 1: want to say it is really important that we talk
Speaker 1: about this plasma orb stuff. I think we're going to
Speaker 1: be vindicated in the future and it's we're going to
Speaker 1: find out they do have these plasma orbs that are
Speaker 1: drones that have basically unlimited payload capability, and that's going
Speaker 1: to usher in like potentially a new Cold War and
Speaker 1: a new way of thinking for all of humanity. So
Speaker 1: thank you for being an influencer of these ideas and
Speaker 1: pushing these ideas out there to other people on podcasts
Speaker 1: because I strongly believe we're an information war and that
Speaker 1: the only way we win is by getting the ideas
Speaker 1: out there, especially on alternative media. So thank you, John.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and say whatever you want to say, and
Speaker 1: you can shout out your books and where people can
Speaker 1: find you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much, Ashton. It is so awesome to
Speaker 2: be here with you. And yes, people can find me
Speaker 2: at My website is John tamilbooks dot com. And I
Speaker 2: would urge people, especially right now, to just take a
Speaker 2: look at my book, The Extra Dimensionals, because it goes
Speaker 2: into everything that's happening right now. It was written many years,
Speaker 2: it was written years ago, but what happened, what's in
Speaker 2: that book is everything that's happening right now. And I
Speaker 2: just want people to just I mean, just your get
Speaker 2: your personal assistant to read you the notes at least
Speaker 2: and put that together for you, and just so you
Speaker 2: can have some idea of what's actually happening, because right
Speaker 2: now we're on the cusp of possibly use these large
Speaker 2: super weapon drones, possibly going kinetic against us, and we're
Speaker 2: going to see what happens at the inauguration. I would
Speaker 2: ask people don't go to the inauguration and just watch
Speaker 2: it on your television. Just watch it on TV and
Speaker 2: don't go there because we're in a very, very dangerous
Speaker 2: time and we need to make sure as many of
Speaker 2: us survive as possible. That's what we're looking at right here.
Speaker 2: Thanks again, Ashton, great being welcome.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, sir. This was another episode of
Speaker 1: Hardrews Podcast. Check us next time, guys. Later