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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everybody to another exciting episodes of the Hard Truths

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with Ashton Forbes. Today, I have an amazing guest

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<v Speaker 1>for you, twenty five year retired FBI veteran John Desusa,

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<v Speaker 1>the real life Fox Molder of the X Files. Can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to talk to him. Let's do it. Hey, John,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show. Brother. Thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 1>being here. I appreciate you. How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm doing great, Ashton, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>having me on a hard truth podcast. Looking good, It's

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<v Speaker 2>looking great, and I'm really anxious to be here with

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<v Speaker 2>you in your wonderful audience. And I'm hoping that this

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be as great as I built it up

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, let's do it then, right off the bat, like,

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<v Speaker 1>tell people who aren't familiar with you, like, what your

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<v Speaker 1>background is? You know, I had heard of you many

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<v Speaker 1>years back that people are calling you the real life

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<v Speaker 1>Fox Molder of the X Files, and I love that show.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember looking at me like, oh, he does

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<v Speaker 1>have this background in the f So what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff have you you looked into?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was basically back in I was in the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI and I ended up getting involved with what we

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<v Speaker 2>called the entire X Files fiasco at the FBI, because

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as they in nineteen ninety three, they started

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<v Speaker 2>this new show called The X Files, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>brand new, and they put up the first episode in

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember the month, but it was in ninety three,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was an amazing show. However, my bosses at

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI immediately recognized some details from some of my

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<v Speaker 2>cases in this show. And we're talking about the seventh floor,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about the big, big weeks at the FBI,

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<v Speaker 2>And so they called in the maker of The X Files,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Carter, Chris Carter, and they called me in too,

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<v Speaker 2>because they were going to accuse both of us of

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<v Speaker 2>having some collusion there and putting some info together for

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<v Speaker 2>this show. And they did exactly that, and Chris Carter

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<v Speaker 2>was able to tell them that no, he had he

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<v Speaker 2>had no contact with me, he had no nothing or

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<v Speaker 2>with any well not with it. Well, he didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>any classified information, any secret information, anything of that sort.

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<v Speaker 2>But he said to my bosses at the FBI that

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<v Speaker 2>he would be able to further cooperate if they would

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<v Speaker 2>give him more details of these cases that they say

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<v Speaker 2>that he Pilford that he got information from and they

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<v Speaker 2>were unwilling to do that. However, they were very threatening.

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<v Speaker 2>They told him, they told him and Fox Fox News,

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<v Speaker 2>No not Fox News, it was Fox the channel that

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<v Speaker 2>actually put on the xbox, and they told them, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to shut your show down. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>under national security. I don't think they even have the

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<v Speaker 2>power to do that, but you know, the FBI has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of coercive characters in it, I'll just put

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<v Speaker 2>it that way, and they're very good at making threats,

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<v Speaker 2>even whether the threats are true or not.

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<v Speaker 1>So they did you actually give him information? And if not,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know where he got them?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they?

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<v Speaker 1>So? Yes, I have getting information from the FBI, right Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, yeah, well I have my ideas about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>what I what I suspect happened was uh a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of us in the FBI, especially those of us who

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<v Speaker 2>work extremely sensitive cases, cases that end up getting MDes

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<v Speaker 2>passed out on them, you know, uh, non disclosure agreements. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>those of us who worked those types of cases. What

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<v Speaker 2>we do is we keep a book. We keep a

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<v Speaker 2>book of notes on these cases because a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff we can't put in FBI files, So we

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<v Speaker 2>keep what we call off the books off the book's

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<v Speaker 2>note book, and we keep our files, we keep our

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<v Speaker 2>notes in it on these cases so that in case

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<v Speaker 2>we need to get it back later in front of

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<v Speaker 2>Congress or something like that. And so what happened to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe is that a couple of agents that were

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<v Speaker 2>working with me, that were working with me, they retired

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<v Speaker 2>to Los Angeles to work as consultants with Hollywood Productions

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<v Speaker 2>and they took my They took my freaking book. Ashton.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you've probably had this sort of thing happened

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<v Speaker 2>to you before, where people try to steal some of

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<v Speaker 2>your talent, and they can't steal your talent literally, so

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<v Speaker 2>they try stealing some of your notes, your blueprints, your

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<v Speaker 2>things that you have. So anyway, I believe that these uh,

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<v Speaker 2>these couple of agents uh took my off the books

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<v Speaker 2>notebook and actually shared it with Hollywood Productions. And whether

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<v Speaker 2>whether Chris Carter had any knowledge of that or not,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That part is not too clear. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>You're saying, it's real, You're saying it is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>based on your some of your research and also, wait, like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's cases where you have to sign n d as afterwards?

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<v Speaker 2>How well, yeah, well there are cases where if things

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<v Speaker 2>go really really wrong and FBI headquarters feels like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or people who are above FBI headquarters feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>need another control mechanism, then they will come at you

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<v Speaker 2>with these NDAs. And they will even FBI agents who

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<v Speaker 2>are subject to subject to secrecy requirements already. So we

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't need to do any any NDAs, but they will

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<v Speaker 2>come at you with these once in a while. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, I'm not even allowed to say which

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<v Speaker 2>ones I had to sign NDA's for because that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of the NDA. You're not allowed to say. Uh, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not it's not a significant factor really because.

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<v Speaker 1>You've had to do in terms of what you can say,

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<v Speaker 1>can you say how many of these generally you've had

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<v Speaker 1>to sign, like more than a handful.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've never had to sign them. I've seen others,

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<v Speaker 2>seen others have to sign them, but I personally have not.

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<v Speaker 2>I personally have not.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the stuff that you did was generally just

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<v Speaker 1>spooky stuff, but you didn't have to sign any NDAs.

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<v Speaker 2>And I and I'm an attorney, I'm an attorney and

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<v Speaker 2>I've worked in the legal world also, so I already

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<v Speaker 2>know I know which things I can't talk about. I

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<v Speaker 2>know which things I can't ever mention. Again, I can

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<v Speaker 2>and I can give you, you know, examples of there have

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<v Speaker 2>been there's been cases with UFOs and alien technology as

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<v Speaker 2>well that has been implicated in certain places in certain ways,

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<v Speaker 2>And I already know that I can't be specific when

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<v Speaker 2>I talk about those those cases. I can't because the.

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<v Speaker 1>Case is related to UFO stuff generally. Before yes, you

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<v Speaker 1>can say yes. Is that how you got involved with

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<v Speaker 1>like Steven Greer and I saw Billy Carson like you

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<v Speaker 1>were in one of their videos. You've been in several

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<v Speaker 1>different videos and a couple of technology and UFOs, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you connect to those guys?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've always been I've always been kind of connected

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<v Speaker 2>with doctor Greer's work. But that goes that goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to even the period when I was out of the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI already, for for instance, I was working I was

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<v Speaker 2>working at guy at TV doing some doing different things

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<v Speaker 2>for them, and that was at the time. That was

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<v Speaker 2>at the time when doctor Greer, for instance, Uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how much you know about this. But doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Greer was the one who first came up with the

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<v Speaker 2>Tacoma alien creature that he came up with, which was

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<v Speaker 2>that little, you know, six inch creature that came out

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<v Speaker 2>of a Tacoma Peru. I think it was. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was a talk about. Uh. But but people in

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<v Speaker 2>your audience will text, will text, will check what that

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<v Speaker 2>what exactly where that was? Uh, Tacoma.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, and I remember that vaguely. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>the small like little mummy thing that they it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't Yeah, it was a mummy. It was not alt

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was an actual full mummy, which is

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<v Speaker 2>very significant.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And so doctor Greer was able to come forward with

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<v Speaker 2>that and show that it was not any sort of

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of a fetus or an embryo, that it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually non human life and that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh. Then so that went on, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>took it to an infamous, an infamous fake scientist who

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<v Speaker 2>was the guy at Stanford, Stanford Science Department whose name

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<v Speaker 2>escapes me right now. And uh he actually said to

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Greer and everybody else that I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do the DNA. I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 2>the DNA results on this thing, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell everybody, you know, this thing turns out to be

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<v Speaker 2>non human life, because that's all that we were.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all Gary Nolan wasn't Gary Nolan. Wow, that was

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<v Speaker 1>more drama in this community.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a really bad one because because.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like right before I got involved in all this, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Because doctor Greer he came up with the first example

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<v Speaker 2>of non human life with actual physical evidence and DNA

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<v Speaker 2>evidence everything. And he came up with that and he

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<v Speaker 2>presented that to the world, and that was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a huge breakthrough in on our planet. And doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Greer had it, he had it all. Uh, And unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>he trusted Gary Nolan. He trusted Gary Nolan, who said,

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<v Speaker 2>in the preliminary findings, he said, this is absolutely not

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<v Speaker 2>a featus. This is non human life apparently from the

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<v Speaker 2>preliminary DNA tests. And I'm not completely sure how that works,

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<v Speaker 2>but they explained it. I mean they doctor Greer explained it,

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<v Speaker 2>and Gary Nolan explained it, and all the preliminary tests

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<v Speaker 2>showed that this was non human life. Of course, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Greer or anyone else never claimed that it was an

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<v Speaker 2>alien or anything like that. That was the function of

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream media, because what they do in these cases is

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<v Speaker 2>they immediately say, oh, everyone's claiming it's an it's an alien,

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<v Speaker 2>the atacam alien fossil or the atopic alien. Moment, nobody

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<v Speaker 2>ever said it was an alien, because we're pretty sure

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<v Speaker 2>this thing was what do you call native to the

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<v Speaker 2>planet Earth, because that's what that's the indications that we

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<v Speaker 2>all had. So anyway, so anyway, Gary Nolan went ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and said, yes, this is the preliminary test all show

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<v Speaker 2>this is non human life. Now we're going to do

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<v Speaker 2>the deep deep DNA testing, which can take like I

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<v Speaker 2>heard it takes like it can take years. It can

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<v Speaker 2>take over a year to do that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And sure enough, when he was completed the long range

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<v Speaker 2>what they call the long strand DNA analysis, uh he

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<v Speaker 2>he actually got a visit, uh from it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>he got a visit from the military, uh from the

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<v Speaker 2>US military. And shortly after that he uh he called

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Greer and he said, hey, bad news. It turns

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<v Speaker 2>out this thing actually is a uh just a fetus.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a human fetus. Uh that was somehow, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>somehow is mutated and it's actually it's even a female

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<v Speaker 2>human uh fetus, And that's all it was. Uh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>all it was. So forget about all that non human

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<v Speaker 2>uh DNA stuff that I said before. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>real conclusion. And then Gary Nolan went out on all

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<v Speaker 2>the international wires and all the everywhere with the news,

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream news. He put that out everywhere. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>he absolutely betrayed doctor Greer. After he had promised that

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<v Speaker 2>he would follow the conclusion to its scientific reality, its

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<v Speaker 2>scientific truth, no matter where it led, and that he

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. Well you know about that. But he said,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, I'm willing. I'm willing. I'm right there with you,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Greer. Don't worry. We're gonna put out the truth

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<v Speaker 2>on this thing. And then after he did the long

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<v Speaker 2>range analysis of the DNA, he went ahead. He did

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<v Speaker 2>a complete one. He betrayed doctor Greer, and he portrayed

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't really trust him, honestly. I I randomly

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<v Speaker 1>any opinion on it. Seems like there's this weird schism

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<v Speaker 1>or little clicks in the UFOK mean, it's not even

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<v Speaker 1>like two sides. There's one side that is like the

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<v Speaker 1>Schratt a few other people that you see commonly on

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get started, because like I look at this

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<v Speaker 1>it's political like political turmoil about people's political opinions for

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<v Speaker 1>this dividing line. And it's not really like the way

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<v Speaker 1>divide it is like the people that think like the

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<v Speaker 1>aliens are gonna come save us or whatever that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just wait for the aliens to come save us and

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<v Speaker 1>fix everything. And then the other side of it, I imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>is like, no, these are people saying like we've been working,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it came from aliens or whatever, but like this

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<v Speaker 1>technology is like we have to look at like how

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<v Speaker 1>game breaking that would be. Like, it's your perspective on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you agree that there's this schism that's out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and what's your opinion of the guys.

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<v Speaker 2>That are my opinion and my opinion action is first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, I would ask you, please, please, when you

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<v Speaker 2>have a chance, just read my book The Extra Dimensional,

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<v Speaker 2>because in this book I actually reveal FBI documents, FBI

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<v Speaker 2>documents that are out there, and that actually started me

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<v Speaker 2>that alien visitors are not physical. They are interdimensional, they

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<v Speaker 2>are extra dimensional. They are not physical in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that we are. They can temper rarely assume that physicality,

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<v Speaker 2>that physicality. They can, but it doesn't last very long.

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<v Speaker 2>And also they are UFOs. And so this document by

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<v Speaker 2>I call the Roswell disinfo operation, where in Roswell you

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<v Speaker 2>had a bunch of people come together and try to

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<v Speaker 2>put forward the lie really that aliens are physical, that

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<v Speaker 2>they're just physical, just like us, and that alien imminency

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<v Speaker 2>is real because they just get into their tin cans

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<v Speaker 2>and they can just crash and be dead by the

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<v Speaker 2>side of the road, just like any of us could

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<v Speaker 2>be just like us, because they're just like us. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what the whole gospel of Roswell was. Of the

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<v Speaker 2>Roswell crash, which I believe was in nineteen forty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that was it in nineteen forty seven. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, in nineteen forty seven, document came

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<v Speaker 2>out from the FBI which showed information from an FBI

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<v Speaker 2>agent who had who said he had an informant who

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<v Speaker 2>was himself an alien visitor of some kind, and that

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<v Speaker 2>this alien visitor told him that aliens are not physical,

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<v Speaker 2>that UFOs also are made of plasma. They're made of

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<v Speaker 2>plasma radiant energy.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to what document says that going back that

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<v Speaker 1>far says something about plasma.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen forty seven, that's what this document says here.

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<v Speaker 2>It also says that we should never attack their UFOs UFOs,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the UFOs are somehow, they don't have anyone

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<v Speaker 2>in them. They are UFOs are the are. They're vessels

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<v Speaker 2>that accompany alien visitors, come with them and carry out

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<v Speaker 2>small tasks for them. They're like familiars for a sorcerer,

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<v Speaker 2>witch of that sort of thing. That's the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>reality that we're looking at here. So anyway, my book

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<v Speaker 2>The Extra Menals makes it very clear. It also gives

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<v Speaker 2>my personal experiences with alien visitors, and it shows that

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe they are absolutely real. I do. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the problem is that now you have this group of people,

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<v Speaker 2>along with the along with the unfortunately the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest bastion of global deception that has ever existed

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<v Speaker 2>on this earth. Uh, And that they they basically got

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<v Speaker 2>together and they got together with all these former CIA

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<v Speaker 2>contractors and former CIA officers and things of that sort,

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<v Speaker 2>and they decided, number one, Okay, we're gonna grab the

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<v Speaker 2>entire world of pophology and we're going to bring it

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<v Speaker 2>under our control. And now I believe in the exist

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<v Speaker 2>I believe in the cabal is at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>this freaking pyramid controlling all the strings, and they are

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who basically are above all of this, and

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<v Speaker 2>they are using their their whole system of fake whistleblowers

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<v Speaker 2>and guys like Elizondo and Grush and god knows how

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<v Speaker 2>many others they are using. Because in twenty and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seven and twenty twelve to twenty seventeen, they decided that

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to grab control of aphology as a

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<v Speaker 2>mental construct, and they were going to grab it. So

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<v Speaker 2>they said, well, what's the first thing we need to do. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing we need to do is we need

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<v Speaker 2>to grab control of the uphology of the UFO subject

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<v Speaker 2>away from the United States Air Force, where it was.

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<v Speaker 2>This was basically under the control of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>Air Force. Why because you are unidentified flying objects. So

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<v Speaker 2>they was put under the purview ultimately of the Air Force.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way I know that is because the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>had many battles with the President and with the and

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<v Speaker 2>with the Air Force itself to try to get that

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<v Speaker 2>jurisdiction away from the Air Force. But no, because it

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<v Speaker 2>makes more sense to have the Air Force in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of it, because these are aerial things that we're talking about. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they decided, well, you know what, we have several reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why we're going to bring lithology away from the United

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<v Speaker 2>States Air Force and bring it under the United States Navy.

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<v Speaker 2>United States Navy. Why because the United States Navy is

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<v Speaker 2>what controls. First of all, they control all legal issues.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's but that's another thing. But they also control

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<v Speaker 2>all the confidentiality and all the secrecy surrounding the development

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<v Speaker 2>of top secret weapons okay weapons, yes, and they control

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<v Speaker 2>all of it, so they said. And they're also were

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<v Speaker 2>also given the technology that I believe was reverse engineered

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<v Speaker 2>from nineteen forty seven probably when they did this operation

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<v Speaker 2>at Roswell, and so they were given total control of this.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we also see at the same time that

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<v Speaker 2>oh my goodness, the United States Navy is having these

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<v Speaker 2>exercises over off the coast of California. The biggest most

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest carrier group that exists in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>the Nimits Carrier Group, was out there doing exercises and

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<v Speaker 2>they were and they were providing a secure atmosphere for

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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate testing of these these uh creature, these things

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<v Speaker 2>that were those capsules that were flying around and trying

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place. That we called that we now

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<v Speaker 2>and then they said, okay, we need to change the

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<v Speaker 2>name of these things from UFOs to UAPs. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they did. And then the Knimtz Carrier Group was

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<v Speaker 2>told was well, actually they were part of this plan

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<v Speaker 2>and they created a secure atmosphere for these things to

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<v Speaker 2>be experimented with. In the final chapter, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times went in there and did a whole

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<v Speaker 2>work up about this and showing how the Nimtz Carrier

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<v Speaker 2>Group was a poor, helpless victim of these of all

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<v Speaker 2>of these UAPs that were flitting around all over the place,

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't do anything against them. They just sent

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<v Speaker 2>out pilots to observe them. I mean, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>giant theater play, is what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're saying that it's a big disinformation effort to

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<v Speaker 1>contain what's really going on and to control the narrative

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<v Speaker 1>that's out there, and that you know, there's other reports

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<v Speaker 1>out there that you know, and I want to dig

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<v Speaker 1>into the interdimensional plasma stuff, but basically that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>group of people that are presenting a certain narrative out

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<v Speaker 1>there that's protecting national interests and I don't even disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with the narrative that you just presented it. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>Nimitz incident, the tic TAC was like, you know, human technology,

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<v Speaker 1>they were testing it. That's a narrative that's out there

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<v Speaker 1>that the UFO community doesn't really want to pick up on,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a powerful one because Jeremy Corbel even admitted

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<v Speaker 1>that Commander Fraverer was told by the CIA that the

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<v Speaker 1>tic TAC was Lockheed Martin technology, which, of course, there

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<v Speaker 1>you go, that's your answer.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all copied. This is all copied technology, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why and that's why we're dealing with these drone

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<v Speaker 2>these a super weapon what I call the LSDS.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about here next. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to play this clip. This is how we connected. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually just you praising me. So for the people

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<v Speaker 1>who are listening, you know, yeah, as Ashton being a

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<v Speaker 1>little egotistical, maybe, but you know what, when someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>a former FBI agent who's called the Fox Molder praises

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<v Speaker 1>you like this, then you can play a clip too.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to play this, and then I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you some questions about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Scientists just will say whatever their sponsors tell them. To say,

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<v Speaker 2>but I saw this. I saw this one great scientist

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday named Ashton Forbes. He's a plasma technology expert. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you spoken to him before? Have you had him on

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, we've done a deep dive with Ashton here

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<v Speaker 3>on the show on MH three seventy and actually we

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<v Speaker 3>have a big interview with him coming up in just

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<v Speaker 3>about a week or so on a lot of these

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<v Speaker 3>plasma technologies and zero point energy technology.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a good friend of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, excellent, because the shocker that he said yesterday, he

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<v Speaker 2>was on the Next News Network yesterday and the shocker

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<v Speaker 2>that he gave us was he said, oh, yeah, our

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence tech community has been able to create plasmas and

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<v Speaker 2>orbs for years now, for years now, those plasmas and

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<v Speaker 2>orbs are definitely created by our Military Industrial Complex Tech division.

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<v Speaker 2>And he says that's absolutely true, and it was that's

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<v Speaker 2>a shocker to hear a scientist that you can trust.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was that instead of while all the other

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<v Speaker 2>scientists are trying to get us to say this ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>word plasmoid, plasmoid, which is absolutely ridiculous. Plasmoid doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>any it. It means natural phenomena like ball lightning. It's

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what these things are. It's a complete distraction

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a confusion of the language. They're using MSM

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<v Speaker 2>to also amplify that, and they're trying to get people

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<v Speaker 2>to say plasmoid. Well, I want people to say LSD's

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<v Speaker 2>large super weapon drones. That's what they should be saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And plasmas and plasmas and orbs because that's what we're facing.

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<v Speaker 2>So that Ashton Forbes had a great little people.

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<v Speaker 1>Sir, thank you very much for that right off the bat.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to respond and just say awesome. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know your video was much better then, So I hope

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<v Speaker 1>people don't hat on it now. Hopefully it'll show up

419
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<v Speaker 1>better in posts. But yeah, first of all, the fact

420
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<v Speaker 1>that I know exactly how you felt when you saw

421
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:36.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody explaining something that like you've worked on and you've investigated,

422
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.880
<v Speaker 1>because it's happened to me a number of times over

423
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:44.079
<v Speaker 1>the last year where I'm investigating this missing plane, investigating

424
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>this science, and then you find like an old engineer

425
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:50.839
<v Speaker 1>from thirty years ago explaining it all plainly and simply

426
00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:55.799
<v Speaker 1>exactly and exactly. The plasma orbs part too, which was like,

427
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I've learned now how they can make the plasma orbs

428
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>just inner acting scaler beams at a distance, or even

429
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>just laser beams at a distance, very precisely, and they

430
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.720
<v Speaker 1>can make plasma orbs, and they can make them large.

431
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<v Speaker 1>I just spoke to this guy, John Brandenburg, he's a

432
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<v Speaker 1>PhD as well. He said that back in like the

433
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<v Speaker 1>probably the nineties maybeven eighties, they were making plasma balls

434
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:21.039
<v Speaker 1>as big as the size of a soccer ball, just

435
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>randomly messing around. So of course they can make them

436
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>potentially even bigger now. And so I wanted to get

437
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<v Speaker 1>What I wanted to ask you was not just to

438
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<v Speaker 1>thank you for that, and I appreciate that shout out,

439
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>was you know what led you down this, you know,

440
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>interdimensional plasma route, because I want to understand your thought

441
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>process and just kind of compare my own so that

442
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>people who are viewers of what have you can understand

443
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 1>how we got to this, you know, kind of convergent

444
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>point and understanding the phenomenon.

445
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<v Speaker 2>So go ahead, you know, and in that in that model,

446
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:58.559
<v Speaker 2>if I had a little more time, I was also

447
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.839
<v Speaker 2>trying to say, you know, this was this was a

448
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>phenomenal thing because Ashton Forbes actually explained to people the

449
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 2>first few steps in how to create these plasma orbs

450
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.880
<v Speaker 2>and how it is that we now know, well, at

451
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:19.880
<v Speaker 2>least I now know that the cabal has basically copied

452
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:23.920
<v Speaker 2>this alien technology and they have done it. But what

453
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say is that that Ashton Forbes, basically

454
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<v Speaker 2>he can explain all these steps, but he probably can't

455
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 2>go too far down that road because it's going to

456
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:40.599
<v Speaker 2>implicate top secret information, like high level top secret information,

457
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 2>and you can't you can't put that out. You can't

458
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>put that out because it'll create all kinds of problems.

459
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:54.000
<v Speaker 2>It's the same reason that President Trump just said that

460
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:57.279
<v Speaker 2>that he knows what the plasma orbs are, he knows

461
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 2>what the what these super weapons are, these these lsds,

462
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>he knows, but he's not gonna say it. He's not

463
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 2>gonna say it. Why is that because he's still a

464
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 2>private citizen technically, and he could he could face consequences

465
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.519
<v Speaker 2>for revealing top secret information because whoever's dealing with this stuff,

466
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 2>they're all using the highest levels of compartmentalized secret information.

467
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, for that reason, we just we just have

468
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<v Speaker 2>to be careful even.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me address that because that's such a great

470
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<v Speaker 1>point honestly, Like there's a lot of people that think

471
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that the ms censer videos are fake or whatever. I'm

472
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.519
<v Speaker 1>just telling you guys, like I think you have a

473
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 1>root awakening, Like we have crazy technology at super advanced

474
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 1>and then figuring out how to make a ball plasma

475
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>is actually not that complicated. It really just has to

476
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>do with like understanding that space isn't empty, and even

477
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>we don't even need space to produce it. Like they're

478
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>literally able to produce this plasma just from air. They

479
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 1>can just take like the tiny amounts of hydrogen in

480
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 1>the air, they can just strip those and make their plasmas,

481
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>which is absolutely incredible in this this is why I

482
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>love that. What you said also, which is important, is

483
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:08.119
<v Speaker 1>that we probably shouldn't be using the term plasmoids or

484
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 1>ball lightning, that these these are natural phenomenon. This is

485
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>what they use to hide what it is. So you

486
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>read Eric W. Davis's ball lightning study from two thousand

487
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and two Air Force Research Labs and you're like, what

488
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>is this? This is such a weird ball lightning. But

489
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 1>when you actually understand it, you realize they were trying

490
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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to stabilize plasma so that it

491
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.079
<v Speaker 1>would be stuck like a bubble that you could just

492
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>move around, like figure out how to take lightning and

493
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>actually turn it into a ball. What is lightning? Lightning

494
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>is a huge amount of energy, a huge amount. So

495
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>then what are these drones? If you can turn a

496
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 1>ball of lightning into a drone, like you said, it's

497
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<v Speaker 1>a large super weapon drone, or it's at minimum of

498
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<v Speaker 1>a super weapon drone, maybe a plasma super weapon drone.

499
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<v Speaker 1>And this is the part where I wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you about the cyber truck guy. I don't know if

501
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you've been read it or read about the Matt Livelsburger stuff,

502
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 1>but because this is potentially what we're talking about is

503
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>potentially like higher than nuclear weapons secret stuff. Yeah, you

504
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.839
<v Speaker 1>could see why there would be whistleblowers, like people if

505
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Matt Livelsburger was a real whistleblower and he's coming out

506
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 1>and saying we're in this war with China over this

507
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:28.319
<v Speaker 1>drone technology and it's got unlimited payload capability, that could

508
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>be a real whistle blower. What are your thoughts on

509
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>any of that? And on the cyber truck guy.

510
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, the cyber truck guy. It's when you have

511
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>the FBI in its current state basically going in there

512
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 2>and covering up everything, I mean, covering up everything, then

513
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:52.160
<v Speaker 2>it's it's difficult to it's difficult to really form opinions

514
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 2>about these cases when we don't have any real information.

515
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we have the guy's name, we have some

516
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>other things, but we don't have there's no investigation there

517
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:09.519
<v Speaker 2>because obviously the FBI and others who are working these cases,

518
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>they're just in They see themselves as being in charge

519
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 2>of the cover up. That's it. So that's all they're doing.

520
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.279
<v Speaker 2>So it just makes it it makes it very difficult

521
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 2>to deal with that, you know, except maybe not on

522
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:25.039
<v Speaker 2>the most speculative level that you can, but on the

523
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.359
<v Speaker 2>speculative level, I mean, we can see that it looks

524
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 2>like this is not the same guy. It's not the

525
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 2>same guy. It's it looks like his wife has been saying,

526
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's not him, that's not him, and it

527
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.079
<v Speaker 2>looks like he actually was was basically an American hero

528
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 2>trying to trying to prevent a cry a terrible catastrophe

529
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>here in America. That's what it looks like. And it

530
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:58.039
<v Speaker 2>looks like some operators, some black ops operators probably or

531
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>try to implicate him in this. In this case, as

532
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 2>far as we can tell, which basically was just it

533
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 2>just seems to be the whole thing with the cyber

534
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Trump appears to be basically just a symbolic operation being

535
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:20.400
<v Speaker 2>run against Trump and Elon. Trump and Elon because they

536
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 2>because it was purely symbolic, they went in there, they

537
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:27.559
<v Speaker 2>put a giant bomb that wasn't big enough to kill anyone,

538
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.519
<v Speaker 2>so they weren't so that wasn't the aim. Uh.

539
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the part is that he could have taken

540
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 1>out way more people. This is an important note, is

541
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 1>that like he's in the middle of Vegas, if he

542
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.359
<v Speaker 1>if this guy wanted to, he could have just ran

543
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 1>people over.

544
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Let alone.

545
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>They could.

546
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, they could have destroyed the entire front of

547
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>that building if they had wanted, but obviously they didn't

548
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.240
<v Speaker 2>want to. So that's why I'm saying it looks to

549
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 2>me like it was just a message from the cabal

550
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.039
<v Speaker 2>to UH, to Trump and and Elon in the same

551
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 2>moment where you have those two symbols side by side

552
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and being blown up somewhat in general, and that's all

553
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.759
<v Speaker 2>it appears to be to me, that's all it was.

554
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:10.679
<v Speaker 1>So if that's you know what, like, I'm not even

555
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 1>discounting that theory. If the email is real and he

556
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 1>really is blowing the whistle and anti gravity drones, then

557
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to me, that's what the message is. The messages of

558
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 1>warning to Elon and to Trump saying like, hey, you

559
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>better not talk about this, these large super weapon drones

560
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>or plasma super weapon drones that we have because this

561
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:33.079
<v Speaker 1>technology is next level and it's multifaceted. Like, yes, there's

562
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:36.199
<v Speaker 1>the destructive capability, but this is also just a ball

563
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 1>of unlimited energy practically, which could you know, change our

564
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:42.280
<v Speaker 1>entire look at the lights all around us, it could

565
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 1>change everything about our civilization all at once.

566
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:48.360
<v Speaker 2>And that's the other area that you work too, zero

567
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:50.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's why.

568
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Stuff like I think these things are tapping into the

569
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 1>zero point energy field in a way that like would

570
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 1>change physics and our understanding of physics. And and I

571
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.119
<v Speaker 1>think that's part of the cover up too, is that

572
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>they have to cover up all this stuff because if

573
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 1>any one thread becomes unraveled. And that's the part I

574
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>want to ask you about the cover up side. I mean,

575
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you're a former FBI agent, and you just said, like

576
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you think that the FEDS and the FBI are like

577
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>presenting a false narrative. Is that something you've seen firsthand

578
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 1>where there's been like the call from up top or

579
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:27.039
<v Speaker 1>just somebody wanted to play you know, they're politically unclined

580
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 1>to present a certain narrative. Have you seen that?

581
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? I've seen that very much so during my career.

582
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you I can tell you one specific

583
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 2>instance when and I don't know if you would remember this,

584
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 2>but it was the flight tw A eight hundred.

585
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh I remember the.

586
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Shores of Long Island, I believe, and it was it

587
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 2>was crazy what happened there. That's one of the cases

588
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 2>that I can I will never get into specifics of it,

589
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 2>but I can tell you that it fit into that

590
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>category that you just mentioned, where it was all the

591
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:09.320
<v Speaker 2>investigators were investigating in one direction, being led in one direction,

592
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:14.159
<v Speaker 2>being showing, and the witnesses were all telling the telling

593
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:18.280
<v Speaker 2>what we what looked to us like the absolute truth

594
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>of what happened. And then there was a call from

595
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:26.519
<v Speaker 2>the President's office and it went directly to our to

596
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:32.079
<v Speaker 2>the FBI director, and basically he said, you're not going

597
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:36.360
<v Speaker 2>to investigate this any further in this direction. Uh, you're

598
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 2>going to find what I want you to find. And

599
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that's it. And that was the first time I saw

600
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:49.880
<v Speaker 2>up close an entire organ intelligence organization just be shut

601
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 2>down basically in their search for truth, completely shut down,

602
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and basically we all had to salute and do exactly

603
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>what the present is said to do and again, and

604
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 2>that's one that I can't ever get into specifics on

605
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.440
<v Speaker 2>because there were so many families that lost their loved

606
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>ones in that and who have I've never been given

607
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>satisfactory answers on that.

608
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:21.639
<v Speaker 1>And that's crazy, man, thirty people on that plane too.

609
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:25.599
<v Speaker 1>That's so bizarrely similar to the image three seven zero incident,

610
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Like it's so weirdly similar, because God, it's I didn't

611
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 1>know you think you were going to bring up a

612
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>story like that, because the Image three seven zero incident,

613
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>when I first started investigating it, the first thing I

614
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.280
<v Speaker 1>realized there's clearly a cover up at play, Like the

615
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 1>way people are acting, the way they're obfuscating information, the

616
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>way they would do press conferences, and the families are

617
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 1>freaking out and crying, and the officials are like just

618
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.719
<v Speaker 1>saying like they're getting asked, like basic questions like can

619
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>a plane just disappear? And they're like, well, that'll come

620
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>out in the court or to the investigation. You're like,

621
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>what do you mean? Like does this makes sense? If

622
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 1>like you're running an open, transparent investigation where you're trying

623
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to get to the truth. So that scares me because

624
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the reason why that statement is so important, Uh, John,

625
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion is that there's a lot of people

626
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.239
<v Speaker 1>And going back to that UFO question I asked you

627
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 1>about the various factions, I think there's a lot of

628
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<v Speaker 1>people out there that don't think the government is capable

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<v Speaker 1>of doing something like that, and that the government is

630
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<v Speaker 1>good and wouldn't lie to you, wouldn't present a fake narrative,

631
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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have the media control it. But it's more invasive,

632
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>isn't it Where they are like specifically guiding you down

633
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>a path to come to conclusion that they want you

634
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>to come to, right, Like is that how you would?

635
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<v Speaker 1>How do you think they do it?

636
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<v Speaker 2>They do it with pressure, They do it with a culture,

637
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>an entire culture ecosystem that lets you know, like for instance,

638
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<v Speaker 2>and I'll just tell you this way in the in

639
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the the case of the t W A flight eight hundred. Uh,

640
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<v Speaker 2>they didn't. They didn't need to pass out a lot

641
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>of n d a's NDA non disclosure agreements because as

642
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<v Speaker 2>an FBI agent, you were you were basically told by

643
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<v Speaker 2>the chain of command, Uh, you better not pursue this,

644
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.559
<v Speaker 2>you better not pursue this, and you better not make

645
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.239
<v Speaker 2>any noise because if you do, that's that's all they

646
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>needed to do, And that's all they needed to the

647
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.559
<v Speaker 2>chain of command just let you know that in those

648
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:35.039
<v Speaker 2>uncertain terms, no needs for NDAs, no NDA's here.

649
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

650
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 2>And you can and you can bet we will never

651
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<v Speaker 2>find out the truth of that case until that particular

652
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 2>United States President is on his deathbed. Maybe then maybe

653
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.119
<v Speaker 2>at that moment will be the only time that we

654
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>will possibly get the truth of what happened there. And yeah,

655
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.760
<v Speaker 2>that's a pretty regular thing. And I want people to

656
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<v Speaker 2>know the reason why Ashton Forbes is a national treasure

657
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 2>is because he is the rarest kind of animal there

658
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.760
<v Speaker 2>is out there, an independent scientist who will find the

659
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>truth and hold on to it no matter what, against

660
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:22.800
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of resistance, even from the scientific community themselves.

661
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And if all you need to do is look at

662
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 2>this case, the MH nine seventy plane that.

663
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<v Speaker 1>Disappeared seventy year close.

664
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to get that right. The MH three

665
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>seventy plane and the video of the orbs, the orb

666
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.880
<v Speaker 2>plasmas that were circling in and all that, and to

667
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>have the strength of character to look at that and

668
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 2>say that was real, That was real and no matter what,

669
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<v Speaker 2>no matter how many people come after you, no matter

670
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean that the character that shows is it just

671
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:04.719
<v Speaker 2>shows that Ashton, you will be a legendary figure in

672
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the counter culture, which is what we It's just what

673
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 2>we absolutely and I truly believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>To the point too that you bring up is that's that,

675
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>like you're the incentive structures are part of the problem.

676
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that when you really dig down to it,

677
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.079
<v Speaker 1>all these people have incentive structures, Like if you're in

678
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the government, you you listen to your boss. If you don't,

679
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:27.639
<v Speaker 1>then you're not going to get a promotion, you're not

680
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.599
<v Speaker 1>going to get a career bump. If you're an academia,

681
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.039
<v Speaker 1>if you go against mainstream academia, then you get blackballed.

682
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<v Speaker 1>I spoke to Navy engineer Salvage Pais about this as well,

683
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and he says, like you have to realize I come

684
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 1>from the academic world, where like I'm judged based on

685
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 1>peer view papers and all this sort of stuff. I

686
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>don't have those restrictions on me because I'm just a

687
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 1>social media guy. I can research this stuff. I can

688
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.840
<v Speaker 1>present my opinions and it doesn't matter what people think,

689
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:57.639
<v Speaker 1>and if people don't want to believe it's real whatever,

690
00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:59.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to worry about that, which I love.

691
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:01.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I like doing this podcast too, because

692
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.199
<v Speaker 1>I can talk to other people and who cares if

693
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:06.159
<v Speaker 1>you don't like it too bad? You know, I think

694
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:07.800
<v Speaker 1>that stuff's going to be real, and I want to

695
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:11.079
<v Speaker 1>talk to other people who have also had similar experiences

696
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 1>like you, you've either you know, been exposed to stuff

697
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:15.639
<v Speaker 1>where like it's opened your mind, you know, in the

698
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:18.599
<v Speaker 1>same way, and that we can like figure this out

699
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and try to figure out what's the nature of this.

700
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<v Speaker 1>Because this leads to my next question then, is like

701
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm convinced we've figured out how to make these balls

702
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.840
<v Speaker 1>of plasm I've spoken to enough engineers, watched enough clips

703
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of other Black Project engineers on the videos, and I'm

704
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:34.920
<v Speaker 1>convinced they've figured out a way to turn them into

705
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.119
<v Speaker 1>some kind of super weapon where you jam them together

706
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 1>and it you know, like that happen on that video,

707
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 1>vaporizes a plane, vaporizes a building, a ship, something like that.

708
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.840
<v Speaker 1>And that scares the heck out of me because I go, Damn,

709
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I could just imagine scaling that up and now you

710
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 1>can have like there's no there's no limit how powerful

711
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:54.119
<v Speaker 1>something like that could be. And I look at that

712
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>compared to where we're at right now, and I'm like, Damn,

713
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>that's really really beyond where the public really think we're

714
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:03.519
<v Speaker 1>at right now, Like how do you cross that bridge

715
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.760
<v Speaker 1>and how do you try to interact with people when

716
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 1>you're like, no, we got stuff that's like way more

717
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:10.079
<v Speaker 1>bans And do you agree that we figured it out?

718
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Absolutely we did. I can tell you way back

719
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and eleven, I had a similar experience

720
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:19.960
<v Speaker 2>to the one that you had with the MH three

721
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 2>to seventy plane flight. And it was in twenty eleven

722
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:31.760
<v Speaker 2>January twenty eighth, we had an incident called the and

723
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<v Speaker 2>it's called the Dome of the Rock UFO in Israel

724
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:41.639
<v Speaker 2>in it's Jerusalem, actually in Jerusalem, Israel, and it was

725
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.519
<v Speaker 2>the Dome of the Rock UFO and it happened to

726
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:49.639
<v Speaker 2>us while we were doing an operation, transnational operation and

727
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:54.079
<v Speaker 2>on the ground, our operators on the ground they told

728
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:59.159
<v Speaker 2>us from Israel, they said to us basically, whatever operation

729
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.280
<v Speaker 2>we're working on, they said, okay, this is canceled. We

730
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 2>just had alien visitors just arrived in Jerusalem at two

731
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 2>in the morning. At two in the morning on a Saturday,

732
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.639
<v Speaker 2>and this was And if you go to my YouTube page,

733
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 2>my YouTube page which is John x Desusa on YouTube,

734
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and I actually have the best video of it. It's

735
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:31.920
<v Speaker 2>a collection, it's multi view cameras, several different sources of

736
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>the same incident. And that's why they call it Dome

737
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.599
<v Speaker 2>of the Rock UFO, because in the middle of the

738
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:42.519
<v Speaker 2>night in Jerusalem, you had this plasma orb that came

739
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.840
<v Speaker 2>out of the sky and just came down and settled

740
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<v Speaker 2>right over the Dome of the Rock, which is a

741
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:55.119
<v Speaker 2>very famous religious religious site, and they just settled right

742
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 2>there and it just held there and everyone in Jerusalem.

743
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.559
<v Speaker 2>It was a Saturday night, and there were a lot

744
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:06.440
<v Speaker 2>of people out too. Everyone was tourists, locals, everybody was

745
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.559
<v Speaker 2>out apparently, and they all saw it and they all

746
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.559
<v Speaker 2>filmed it too. A lot of them did and that's

747
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.519
<v Speaker 2>what I put on my YouTube as well. I filmed it.

748
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I showed the film from six different angles, six different angles,

749
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:25.440
<v Speaker 2>including a weather camera that was up that night that

750
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:30.559
<v Speaker 2>recorded the exact same thing. The dome. The plasma orb

751
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.599
<v Speaker 2>settled over the dome of the rock. It stood there

752
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:39.719
<v Speaker 2>for maybe just like ten seconds, ten seconds, twenty seconds,

753
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.360
<v Speaker 2>and then it gave off a flash of energy that

754
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.960
<v Speaker 2>covered it went through all of Jerusalem. It gave off

755
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:50.480
<v Speaker 2>this flash of energy and then it just went straight

756
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.320
<v Speaker 2>up into the air and it just disappeared at a

757
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.360
<v Speaker 2>speed that was difficult to gauge.

758
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<v Speaker 1>You know, the flash of energy thing is really interesting

759
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.079
<v Speaker 1>because because one of the things I found is that

760
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:05.559
<v Speaker 1>that Emagery seven zero video has a flash of energy,

761
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 1>a flash of light that gets given off in it. Now,

762
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 1>I was wonderful, is that a science thing? Like I

763
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't know anything about it. This turns out we've got

764
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>these virtual photons all around us all the time, and

765
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 1>if you pack too much electromagnetic energy, or if you

766
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>push the electromagnetergy out, it releases real photons from nothing

767
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.679
<v Speaker 1>from the vacuum. So basically you can pull real photons

768
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:32.960
<v Speaker 1>out with a huge amount of electromagnetic energy, and so

769
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 1>that explains what we might be seeing when these orbs

770
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 1>or craft are able to, uh, you know, break through

771
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the light limit or whatever you want to call it.

772
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we have a term for it just yet,

773
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.280
<v Speaker 1>but the Shwinger limit, I guess maybe. So that might

774
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.639
<v Speaker 1>be a reason for why you were seeing some of that.

775
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:52.639
<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like this was your experience where you

776
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of woke up and realized, oh boy, there's like

777
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:57.760
<v Speaker 1>something major going on in this world that you haven't

778
00:46:57.800 --> 00:46:59.000
<v Speaker 1>been privy to. Is that true?

779
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? And when I saw that, and then when I

780
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:08.760
<v Speaker 2>saw all the different camera angles, the different people videotaping

781
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.119
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. You know, you're always supposed to check

782
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.719
<v Speaker 2>different various independent sources that are not colluding, they're not

783
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 2>working with each other, but they all duplicate the exact

784
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 2>same thing. That's when you know you're looking at something

785
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 2>true here. But then what we were told back in

786
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:31.199
<v Speaker 2>the States when this happened, I had an individual we

787
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 2>always called him the smoking man, and he was a

788
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.639
<v Speaker 2>person who was from the global structure and he always

789
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 2>showed up with either he was a State Department employee,

790
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:43.519
<v Speaker 2>it was CIA employee. Different things but he would always

791
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.400
<v Speaker 2>show up and tell us what was really going on.

792
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>And this guy he showed up, his name was well,

793
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.199
<v Speaker 2>the name he used at that moment was Millsuit, and

794
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:56.760
<v Speaker 2>he came in and he would just smoke in public

795
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 2>areas where you were not allowed to smoke, and then

796
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 2>he would tell us. He'd say, yeah, I heard about

797
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 2>that operation you guys are working, and that the aliens

798
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:10.960
<v Speaker 2>have arrived in Jerusalem as of today, and he said

799
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:14.679
<v Speaker 2>don't And because we were all excited, we were like, Okay,

800
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the next morning, this is gonna be everywhere. It's gonna

801
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.519
<v Speaker 2>be millions of hits. It's gonna be insane that everyone's

802
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna know. And he told us basically another one and

803
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 2>he said, by the morning. We have different shops that

804
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 2>are out there always monitoring everything, and their whole purpose

805
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 2>is to make sure that the public doesn't find out

806
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:42.280
<v Speaker 2>about anything that is genuinely paranormal or alien in nature.

807
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So what they do is they do duplicates of whatever happened.

808
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Let's say this Dome of the Rock thing, and they'll

809
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 2>do their own duplicates so that the algorithm will catch

810
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 2>on to their version.

811
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<v Speaker 1>Of what was not not the real thing.

812
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<v Speaker 2>Like, for instance, if someone gets the like when the

813
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Patterson h video of Bigfoot, you know, came out well

814
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:11.679
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, and he told us, these are

815
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:18.079
<v Speaker 2>CIA shops. These are shops that because the because the Illuminati,

816
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 2>the cabal, are terrified that we will get real information

817
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 2>about real supernatural topics. So they have these shops that

818
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:29.920
<v Speaker 2>actually wait for something to come out, and when they

819
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:34.519
<v Speaker 2>see it, their analysts create duplicates and they'll so that

820
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:38.159
<v Speaker 2>they grab control of the algorithm, and they'll show a

821
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 2>guy in a in a Bigfoot outfit, you know, that

822
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:45.559
<v Speaker 2>looks really crappy and really garbage y, and they'll just

823
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 2>have him fooling around and then you'll say, and then

824
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<v Speaker 2>that will take over the algorithm from the Patterson Gimli

825
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:58.000
<v Speaker 2>or Patterson Gimbli video, So that when millions of people

826
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<v Speaker 2>the next day rush to go see the dome of

827
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<v Speaker 2>the Rock Ufo dome in the Rock Ufo, they'll actually

828
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<v Speaker 2>encounter the CIA shot made video that shows some bright

829
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:15.719
<v Speaker 2>red thing moving through Jerusalem, and they'll say that looks

830
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<v Speaker 2>very very fake, very cgi very nonsensical. And so that

831
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<v Speaker 2>all those millions of people the next day that are

832
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<v Speaker 2>trying to see this video. They won't see the actual video,

833
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<v Speaker 2>the videos that I.

834
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<v Speaker 1>Don't have upload story related to that. And before I do,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say something that was about the smoking

836
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<v Speaker 1>man comment, like isn't that just the best like fu

837
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.719
<v Speaker 1>to be Like a smoking man shows up that doesn't

838
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 1>care about smoking laws, smoking cigarettes in a public building

839
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:48.400
<v Speaker 1>where he's not allowed to smoke, and he's just telling

840
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:51.719
<v Speaker 1>you about Yep, the aliens came and you're like, crap,

841
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.280
<v Speaker 1>is this gonna make the front page news? Nope, it's

842
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.239
<v Speaker 1>not gonna make the news at all, not even gonna

843
00:50:56.239 --> 00:51:00.480
<v Speaker 1>make page six. Like, sorry, we control everything, and everything's

844
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.639
<v Speaker 1>a lie. We manage your entire perception. And just the

845
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:07.039
<v Speaker 1>fact that he's smoking in a non smoking area shows

846
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 1>he's just like above the law, you know, like the

847
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.719
<v Speaker 1>rules are for the little people, they're not for the

848
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:13.320
<v Speaker 1>people like me.

849
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Right, he was, And he would explain that to us

850
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.559
<v Speaker 2>all the time. He would say, you guys are idiots.

851
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.599
<v Speaker 2>You think that we can let this information out to

852
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.280
<v Speaker 2>the little people. He said, what do you want to

853
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:28.239
<v Speaker 2>You want to destroy society? Is that what you guys want?

854
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 2>And we'd be like, no, we're investigators. We want the

855
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.480
<v Speaker 2>truth to be found and then we want to give

856
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.039
<v Speaker 2>the truth to other people. He said, that's exactly why

857
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>you're idiots. That's what he told me. And then the

858
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.159
<v Speaker 2>next day we found out that everything he said happened

859
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:46.360
<v Speaker 2>exactly as he said. And I've ever since then, I have.

860
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Had a very been believer.

861
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I've been had a terrible, terrible time trying to show

862
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 2>people that this twenty eleven dome of the Rock UFO

863
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.880
<v Speaker 2>was real. It was absolutely real, and it looks just

864
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 2>like the don't the plasma orbs. It's exactly a precursor

865
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 2>of those the plasma orbs.

866
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:07.679
<v Speaker 1>This is what I want to talk to you because

867
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:12.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of videos are just too they're not compelling enough,

868
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>no matter what, even with six angles. I mean, I've

869
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>got two videos of a plane that's a real plane

870
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.880
<v Speaker 1>that's still missing today that are military videos and infrared

871
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and thermal from two different angles, and people are still going, well,

872
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.239
<v Speaker 1>it's cgi. It's like people will make up any excuse

873
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:30.000
<v Speaker 1>to not believe something. But this is why, like for me,

874
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I took it to the next levels like, okay, well

875
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:34.360
<v Speaker 1>if that's real, then I need to understand is the

876
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.280
<v Speaker 1>science real? Whereas that cumbering must be out there somewhere.

877
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I found out it was all just hidden in plain sight.

878
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:41.599
<v Speaker 1>And that's what really started to spook me when I

879
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 1>started finding the science and I'm like, oh, here it is.

880
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.320
<v Speaker 1>You just intersect these laser beams attosecond lasers and you

881
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 1>can produce plasma. It's like, oh, it's just out there.

882
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Because then I'm like, how have they been hiding all this?

883
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:55.639
<v Speaker 1>How are there people not figuring it out? And then

884
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you find people like you and other people I found

885
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.320
<v Speaker 1>that are like, oh they have been, but only a

886
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.159
<v Speaker 1>small number of people. Most people are just kind of asleep.

887
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:06.800
<v Speaker 1>And you're right about the disinformation. I think it's even

888
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.840
<v Speaker 1>more nefarious than what you said about it. I strongly

889
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.400
<v Speaker 1>suspect that there is a video of the us USS

890
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Columbia the shuttle that this like burnt up on re

891
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:24.480
<v Speaker 1>entry in two thousand and three. There's a very weird,

892
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.679
<v Speaker 1>old looking video on the Internet that looks like what

893
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.280
<v Speaker 1>NASA would be looking through a camera at there destroyed

894
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.760
<v Speaker 1>shuttle in outer space. It looks just like if the

895
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.840
<v Speaker 1>gravity looks exactly correct, and then at the end it

896
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 1>just has it like somebody come on, just says the

897
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:43.280
<v Speaker 1>faking hoaxer and it says this was CGI, and it

898
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.920
<v Speaker 1>almost looks like the government just took the real video

899
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:50.280
<v Speaker 1>and they just added this imaginary person to it, pretending

900
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 1>to make the video.

901
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:52.760
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what they did.

902
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:57.320
<v Speaker 1>They do all the time, right, all that covers up

903
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the real video. And now anybody that looks at it

904
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>just goes, oh no, oh, that person claimed to have

905
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.360
<v Speaker 1>faked it, and you're like, well, you're like that would

906
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.320
<v Speaker 1>be a lot of work, Like that's like better than

907
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Angley's Gravity or was it Angry to make Gravity? Whatever

908
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.679
<v Speaker 1>made that movie Gravity with Sunder Bullock in it? Like this,

909
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.840
<v Speaker 1>whoever made this has that kind of effect? Can I

910
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:16.920
<v Speaker 1>watch them? Is there a video of them making that?

911
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.880
<v Speaker 1>This video? Because it's pretty damn impressive. And that's what

912
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I asked about the m S three seven zero videos too,

913
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:25.559
<v Speaker 1>where I'm going like, if this is fake, who made it?

914
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Show me the I want to see a video of

915
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:30.559
<v Speaker 1>somebody making this, because it looks impossible when you look

916
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:31.280
<v Speaker 1>at the details.

917
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's what I don't ask that because then

918
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.119
<v Speaker 2>they'll go and they'll reverse engineer it and they'll do

919
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 2>exactly that.

920
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I know what. Let me just jump in there because

921
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I thought that would happen. Like over a year ago,

922
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought that the play that would happen after I

923
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.000
<v Speaker 1>realized this stuff's real, and I have this shock like

924
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.519
<v Speaker 1>you've had as well, where I'm like, oh, crap, they

925
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:56.760
<v Speaker 1>like really trying to cover this stuff up, and they've

926
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:58.880
<v Speaker 1>been covering it up. I was like, the next thing

927
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.599
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna do is they're going to have somebody come

928
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:05.320
<v Speaker 1>out and like claim to have made the video and

929
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.159
<v Speaker 1>make like some recreation based on it, you know, and

930
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:11.400
<v Speaker 1>then it'll be so good that people will be like, oh,

931
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 1>obviously they did it. But you know what, it never happened.

932
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Nobody was ever able to recreate the videos. I thought

933
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.480
<v Speaker 1>for sure that was their next play, right.

934
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:24.000
<v Speaker 2>But the only reason that they didn't do that is

935
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:28.159
<v Speaker 2>because they're trying to show how not worried they are

936
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:32.159
<v Speaker 2>about you. It's breaking through with this thing. That's what

937
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I think.

938
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.000
<v Speaker 1>The answer is. That's so crazy. I think they like

939
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:38.280
<v Speaker 1>they're just not afraid, like I have. General somebody told me,

940
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.920
<v Speaker 1>literally General Joseph Dunford. You guys can look him up

941
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Lockheed Martin Board of Directors. Now, he is the guy

942
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:50.280
<v Speaker 1>that started Space Force under Trump. He's like one of

943
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 1>the he was the top rank military personal person for

944
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:57.159
<v Speaker 1>like four years until twenty nineteen. I got a source

945
00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.039
<v Speaker 1>that told me, like he saw the videos and like

946
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't lie at them. You know, like people just ignore that.

947
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:05.119
<v Speaker 1>These people aren't afraid. They're not afraid at all, Like

948
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.400
<v Speaker 1>they know that nobody's gonna believe this no matter what.

949
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:09.440
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter what you got, right.

950
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's that's what it is. Like like the

951
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Turkey have you ever seen the Turkey UFOs?

952
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Uh? The one my favorite one one where they zoom

953
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:23.039
<v Speaker 1>in on it and you guys got a super nice camera.

954
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.000
<v Speaker 1>You're like, that's the kind of stuff we need.

955
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 2>But that's another one they never really tried to fake.

956
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:32.079
<v Speaker 2>And it's for the same reason. It's because they just

957
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:35.559
<v Speaker 2>are so confident and they just believe that you'll never

958
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.079
<v Speaker 2>break through to millions and millions and millions with this thing.

959
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.400
<v Speaker 2>That's that's what it is. Because I've i've I've shown

960
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.800
<v Speaker 2>that Turkey UFO uh videos and again that's also on

961
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:50.559
<v Speaker 2>my YouTube. People can go see it, uh, and it's

962
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:54.000
<v Speaker 2>it's various the best versions of it, because there are

963
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.280
<v Speaker 2>numerous versions of the Turkey US.

964
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.599
<v Speaker 1>For the problem is, like even those videos and that's

965
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.800
<v Speaker 1>a great one when guys us really high, really high

966
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.840
<v Speaker 1>quality camera with super powerful digital or super powerful zoom,

967
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.079
<v Speaker 1>so we can get this really high quality video. But

968
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:10.960
<v Speaker 1>even in those videos, especially because now we're realizing it's

969
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:13.800
<v Speaker 1>plasma and like plasma orbs are this thing, You're just

970
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>seeing a ball of light. So a lot of the

971
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.199
<v Speaker 1>debunker skeptic people are just going, oh, well, you're looking

972
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.559
<v Speaker 1>at a star or something, because it looks identical to

973
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:22.719
<v Speaker 1>what a star would look like. But that's just because

974
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:25.199
<v Speaker 1>it's a plasma ball. So now you're like, oh, this

975
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:29.039
<v Speaker 1>is why the military is filming an infrared and thermal

976
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.119
<v Speaker 1>because this is how you see more information as opposed

977
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 1>to the optical spectrumen you're just looking at a pinpoint

978
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.960
<v Speaker 1>of light. And when I started to realize that, I'm like, oh,

979
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.039
<v Speaker 1>now the puzzle pieces are really coming together. Because I

980
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 1>wondered when those tic TAC videos, the nimens, all those

981
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:44.920
<v Speaker 1>videos come up, like why is this all like forward

982
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.559
<v Speaker 1>looking infrared. I didn't even know what that meant back then,

983
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.639
<v Speaker 1>and now compared to what I know now, I'm like, oh,

984
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:52.840
<v Speaker 1>well that's nothing compared to what we got now. I'm like,

985
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:56.159
<v Speaker 1>we got video coverage of everything. So do you think

986
00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>that we're like filming and seeing a bunch of UFOs

987
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:01.760
<v Speaker 1>in the sky and just not telling the world and

988
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:05.199
<v Speaker 1>we've got like a repository of videos out there.

989
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:10.440
<v Speaker 2>The genuine UFOs. Yeah, sometimes they we are seeing them.

990
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:17.280
<v Speaker 2>But right now I'd say about ninety nine percent of

991
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.320
<v Speaker 2>what we are seeing observing recording are all these fake

992
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.880
<v Speaker 2>UAPs that are man made. They are these super weapon

993
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.760
<v Speaker 2>drones that are again man made, And even the plasma

994
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:38.199
<v Speaker 2>orbs that we are seeing, ninety of them, I would say,

995
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.480
<v Speaker 2>are basically just man made. And there's a chance that

996
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:47.920
<v Speaker 2>even the plasma orbs are somehow created, even by the

997
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:52.679
<v Speaker 2>drones themselves somehow, because these drones appear to have zero

998
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>point energy. They appear to have because if you observe them,

999
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:02.199
<v Speaker 2>there's there's no propulsion, there's no know, there's no visible means,

1000
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.760
<v Speaker 2>there's no infrared signal, there's no heat signature, there's nothing

1001
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:10.840
<v Speaker 2>that is conventionally human in that. But at the same

1002
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, we've had a couple of congressmen

1003
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.519
<v Speaker 2>whose whose names I try not to say, who have

1004
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:20.320
<v Speaker 2>been in on all the briefings. They've been read into

1005
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:24.440
<v Speaker 2>everything and they have and they have said, uh, these

1006
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.639
<v Speaker 2>drones have components. A couple of these drones were shot

1007
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.880
<v Speaker 2>down amazingly by by plasma orbs supposedly, and they have

1008
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:34.440
<v Speaker 2>been shut down, they have been grabbed by the US military,

1009
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and there has been a lot of examination, and both

1010
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:44.480
<v Speaker 2>of these congressmen, separately on different occasions, both have said, yeah,

1011
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:47.920
<v Speaker 2>these drones have components from China. They have components.

1012
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:49.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna ask you about that next. So you think

1013
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:51.679
<v Speaker 1>China has this technology figured out?

1014
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Now, not that would be the worst case scenario, but

1015
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:02.360
<v Speaker 2>but what they also said was uh, And you had

1016
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.519
<v Speaker 2>people like Gordon Chang watches China and the CCP very carefully,

1017
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 2>and one of the things that he said is that

1018
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>if if China is involved in this, uh, there's there's

1019
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:19.039
<v Speaker 2>probably many other enemies of America also involved in this

1020
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.800
<v Speaker 2>in these uh these super weapon drones as well, so

1021
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:26.840
<v Speaker 2>that it's not any one country that's involved with this.

1022
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.599
<v Speaker 2>But you know, we're gonna find out more about this

1023
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:33.840
<v Speaker 2>the day after inauguration because Trump has promised that he

1024
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 2>is going to let the cat out of the bag,

1025
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:40.199
<v Speaker 2>which also gets kind of more bizarre because because it's

1026
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:43.920
<v Speaker 2>like it's almost like Trump is goading them into using

1027
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:48.719
<v Speaker 2>these drones against him at the inauguration because he's saying,

1028
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:52.719
<v Speaker 2>if I get inaugurated, I'm gonna let the whole cat

1029
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:56.920
<v Speaker 2>out of the bag the day after. So you guys

1030
01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:02.199
<v Speaker 2>have just one shot, one shot, like a like eminem sense,

1031
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:04.920
<v Speaker 2>you got one shot, just one shot to grab everything

1032
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.119
<v Speaker 2>you ever wanted. Will you let it? Will you let

1033
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:07.559
<v Speaker 2>it slip?

1034
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Set? Uh No, Yeah, that's a good point because it

1035
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:16.000
<v Speaker 1>does seem like I I'm actually on board with this

1036
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:20.400
<v Speaker 1>narrative that like the cabal is the deep state is

1037
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.199
<v Speaker 1>afraid that Trump is going to clean house on them.

1038
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:25.880
<v Speaker 1>And this is what I think a lot of people

1039
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.320
<v Speaker 1>will realize too, is like, yes, you only appoint certain positions,

1040
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.840
<v Speaker 1>but those people are basically your boss of the entire

1041
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:34.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, three letter agency. And like you just pointed out,

1042
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:36.599
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of control and power that comes over

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01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:39.519
<v Speaker 1>that in terms of top down decision making that occurs

1044
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:41.840
<v Speaker 1>in terms of what you can investigate in what you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>So and you probably you probably know this too. Uh.

1046
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<v Speaker 2>We had another Congressman up Burchett from Tennessee who said,

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01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:58.960
<v Speaker 2>who said that these these things that are being created, Uh,

1048
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:04.199
<v Speaker 2>he said, there is absolutely involvement in creating these lsds,

1049
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.239
<v Speaker 2>these large super weapon drones. He said, there is involvement

1050
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:13.320
<v Speaker 2>from McDonald, Douglas, Rayfon, skunk Works, and all of these companies,

1051
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:17.320
<v Speaker 2>which I've got news for you, guys, they're not American.

1052
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:20.920
<v Speaker 2>You may think that they're American. I'm talking to your

1053
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:25.480
<v Speaker 2>audience and people Normans. They think that these are these

1054
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:30.239
<v Speaker 2>things are American. They're not. They serve the global superstructure,

1055
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:35.760
<v Speaker 2>and they serve the global industrial weapons complex and military

1056
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.039
<v Speaker 2>industrial complex. That's what they serve. They have no care

1057
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:43.320
<v Speaker 2>for what happens to America whatsoever. And that's why we

1058
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:46.280
<v Speaker 2>had a Congressman Burchett who said the other day, he said,

1059
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:49.960
<v Speaker 2>those companies are completely involved in building these things, you know,

1060
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.599
<v Speaker 2>in addition to China and whoever else.

1061
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<v Speaker 1>Is also it's scary because who are the investors in

1062
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:56.760
<v Speaker 1>those companies than those are the people who are really

1063
01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the and so the company could be American, but the

1064
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:02.199
<v Speaker 1>investors can be from any where you want potentially, So

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01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.760
<v Speaker 1>it makes a big difference. And then what two more

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01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:09.039
<v Speaker 1>companies that are now being exposed just in the last

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01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:13.559
<v Speaker 1>few days, but Tel Institute, they get ten billion dollars

1068
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:17.280
<v Speaker 1>per year, all from the federal government. There are nonprofit

1069
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and they run all the Department of Energies labs across

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01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the entire country, all our super secret labs. But tell

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01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Institute all federal money, non for profit. Also Aerospace Corporation

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01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:32.400
<v Speaker 1>also a non for profit, all federal money one point

1073
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:36.000
<v Speaker 1>two billion dollars last year. All they do is basically

1074
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:39.320
<v Speaker 1>hire scientists and then they contract them out to like

1075
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Lockeing Martin whatever to do secret projects. So all of

1076
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:47.119
<v Speaker 1>these things are buried with what career would call use apps,

1077
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:52.079
<v Speaker 1>unacknowledged special access programs that basically there's no oversight too.

1078
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:54.360
<v Speaker 1>And this is how they hide it all where you

1079
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.360
<v Speaker 1>know it's under these it's federal money going to private

1080
01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:01.880
<v Speaker 1>corporations where then immune from four and so it's like

1081
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.480
<v Speaker 1>this very nefarious configuration of how it's all set up.

1082
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:09.239
<v Speaker 1>But I'm also skeptical that Trump will deliver all the goods,

1083
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I think he'll come out and say like, either yes,

1084
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it was our drones or he'll say like it was

1085
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:17.239
<v Speaker 1>China's drones. Whatever. We know, because we know we've got

1086
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.239
<v Speaker 1>we've got surveillance capabilities. We know, But I don't think

1087
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:24.079
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna come out and say, yes, we've got free

1088
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:27.800
<v Speaker 1>energy or plasma orbs that can annihilate the planet. Like

1089
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's gonna say go that far, which

1090
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.400
<v Speaker 1>is how if it was you or me, we would

1091
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.760
<v Speaker 1>probably you know, large super weapon drones. But for him,

1092
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I think that's where he's gonna draw it short, because

1093
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:40.880
<v Speaker 1>it is national security, like it literally is, you know,

1094
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And that's where it's like when you said, I don't

1095
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:46.199
<v Speaker 1>want China to have this. This is why everybody was

1096
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:48.519
<v Speaker 1>on me when it came to the drone stuff and

1097
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the cyber truck guy. Because the whole narrative I've been

1098
01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:54.360
<v Speaker 1>presenting of m A three seven zero is that we're

1099
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:58.239
<v Speaker 1>preventing China from getting this technology. And I think that

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01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:01.320
<v Speaker 1>we could justify some pretty evil acts in order to

1101
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:06.679
<v Speaker 1>prevent China from getting large super weapon drone technology. Would

1102
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:08.079
<v Speaker 1>you agree with that?

1103
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. The reason that all of this is breakaway technology

1104
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:16.159
<v Speaker 2>that is used by the deep state that's a better

1105
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.760
<v Speaker 2>word than cabal the state, and the deep state is

1106
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:24.559
<v Speaker 2>just the American subsidiary of the cabal. But it's a

1107
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:28.039
<v Speaker 2>good way to put it. But all of this breakaway

1108
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:32.719
<v Speaker 2>technology is owned by the Deep State, which is also

1109
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:37.000
<v Speaker 2>closely associated with the military industrial complex, which is global.

1110
01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 2>It is not American, it is global. I'm talking about

1111
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the Pentagon and many other subsidiaries of that as well.

1112
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:49.400
<v Speaker 2>They're all global. They're intimately connected with the deep State.

1113
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.239
<v Speaker 1>And I do want to ask about this, which is

1114
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:55.079
<v Speaker 1>the origins of this technology, in your opinions on it,

1115
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:57.440
<v Speaker 1>because when I started digging into like the whole non

1116
01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 1>human intelligence thing, I found out there there is dozens

1117
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:06.440
<v Speaker 1>of options, everything from beings living under the water and

1118
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:10.800
<v Speaker 1>under the earth, extraterrestrials and interdimensional beings. Some people were

1119
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:13.599
<v Speaker 1>saying that these plasma orbs could be like gin or

1120
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:18.880
<v Speaker 1>angels or you know, things like that, ai as being

1121
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.000
<v Speaker 1>some of the options as well. Like there were so

1122
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:23.880
<v Speaker 1>many options, I was like, man and then also just

1123
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the breakaway civilization option, which also has its own splinter scenarios,

1124
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:30.639
<v Speaker 1>which is where I'm kind of leaning right now. But

1125
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:34.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm honestly open minded to like really any option. Oh

1126
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:36.599
<v Speaker 1>there's also I don't want to forget the option of

1127
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:39.599
<v Speaker 1>like we dug up some ancient technology from a previous

1128
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:42.480
<v Speaker 1>civilization that was on this planet too, and then figured

1129
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:45.360
<v Speaker 1>out from there where what is your research kind of

1130
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:47.320
<v Speaker 1>shown and where you think this is all coming from.

1131
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:54.639
<v Speaker 2>I think that the proof that all this technology is hoarded,

1132
01:06:55.159 --> 01:07:00.719
<v Speaker 2>grabbed by held onto by the same the same people.

1133
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:05.079
<v Speaker 2>It is the deep state, It is the cabal that

1134
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:09.320
<v Speaker 2>sees themselves as in charge of the nations, because if

1135
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.559
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't the case. And what that really means is

1136
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:16.960
<v Speaker 2>that whenever we find this alien technology Antarctica Base, let's say,

1137
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:21.159
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, you'll have the Cabal will swoop

1138
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.840
<v Speaker 2>in there with their forces to make sure they get

1139
01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:27.400
<v Speaker 2>they grab every bit of that technology. That's how it happens.

1140
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:30.199
<v Speaker 2>That's how it always goes on. And the reason that

1141
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:33.719
<v Speaker 2>we know today that that's how it happens is because

1142
01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:38.320
<v Speaker 2>none of the nations, the United States, China, has not

1143
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:44.199
<v Speaker 2>used this technology against another nation in a large sense

1144
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:47.679
<v Speaker 2>at all. It's never happened. And the only reason it's

1145
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:51.559
<v Speaker 2>never happened is because the Cabal is very careful about

1146
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:59.559
<v Speaker 2>that not to allow any unlimited access to the any

1147
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.079
<v Speaker 2>only one nation to this stuff, because if they did,

1148
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the nation would we'd be using it against China, China

1149
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:09.719
<v Speaker 2>would be using it against us. And that's a reason

1150
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:13.440
<v Speaker 2>why even if there are Chinese components in these large

1151
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:17.399
<v Speaker 2>super weapon drones. I don't I don't believe China has

1152
01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:20.720
<v Speaker 2>any control over over this because they.

1153
01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, what if do you think there's an alien species

1154
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:25.560
<v Speaker 1>out there? Do you think they're visiting us? Do you

1155
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:28.000
<v Speaker 1>think they're underwater? You think they look like us? What

1156
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:29.760
<v Speaker 1>do you think about aliens? Yes?

1157
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:34.720
<v Speaker 2>And all those all those patterns have been u been copied,

1158
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:40.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of like like when a serial killer, uh goes

1159
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.560
<v Speaker 2>out and does his signature of how he kills people,

1160
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:48.560
<v Speaker 2>but then he gets copycats, fans admirers who end up

1161
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:52.239
<v Speaker 2>copying his exact signature, trying to be exactly like him,

1162
01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:54.079
<v Speaker 2>and they go out and they do the same the

1163
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:57.359
<v Speaker 2>same types of murders. That's what we're looking at here

1164
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:01.640
<v Speaker 2>where I see where they want us to believe this

1165
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:05.239
<v Speaker 2>is this could possibly be aliens that are accompanying these

1166
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:08.800
<v Speaker 2>large super weapon drones, the orbs and plasmas. They're not,

1167
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:12.079
<v Speaker 2>They're absolutely not not at this point anyway. I mean,

1168
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:16.479
<v Speaker 2>there is a chance that later we could get some

1169
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:20.439
<v Speaker 2>alien involvement with this situation if it just gets out

1170
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:23.880
<v Speaker 2>of hand, and that's one of the things We're gonna

1171
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:28.880
<v Speaker 2>see which way it goes. Once the large the LSD's

1172
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:30.960
<v Speaker 2>are exposed for what they are.

1173
01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:34.720
<v Speaker 1>So you're saying that we've figured out these super weapons

1174
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:40.239
<v Speaker 1>potentially based on alien technology, copying this other technology, and

1175
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:43.479
<v Speaker 1>that maybe we're being monitored as like little children playing

1176
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.039
<v Speaker 1>around with toys. Make sure we don't mess around too much.

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01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:50.640
<v Speaker 2>I like that. Yes, that's exactly correct, and I do

1178
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:55.079
<v Speaker 2>believe they're watching very closely. And it depends on what

1179
01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:59.439
<v Speaker 2>actually which way we go with this, You know, as

1180
01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:05.640
<v Speaker 2>long as you know whoever is using the drones doesn't

1181
01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:12.800
<v Speaker 2>go whole sale to just destroy another society with them.

1182
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.560
<v Speaker 2>When that happens, I think higher powers are going to

1183
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:18.399
<v Speaker 2>have to get involved. That's how I think we're looking

1184
01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:18.960
<v Speaker 2>at it now.

1185
01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:22.479
<v Speaker 1>I think so we Do you think that they are

1186
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:25.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna just like teleport out of nowhere and appier? Do

1187
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:26.800
<v Speaker 1>you think they're going to come out of the water.

1188
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they're gonna come from outer space or

1189
01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:30.239
<v Speaker 1>where do you think they would come from.

1190
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.039
<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to come from the same place

1191
01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:36.560
<v Speaker 2>they always come from, from these portals that are created

1192
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:40.560
<v Speaker 2>all over the Earth. Because this is a multi dimensional reality,

1193
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:46.560
<v Speaker 2>our existence with whatever alien visitors, there are the real ones,

1194
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:50.920
<v Speaker 2>the genuine ones. I think they've always used portals that

1195
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.680
<v Speaker 2>come here because they're not from outer space. They don't

1196
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:57.159
<v Speaker 2>lock themselves in tin cans and sail across from planet

1197
01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:02.279
<v Speaker 2>to planet. None of that happens. Actually, just use portals

1198
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:05.640
<v Speaker 2>to come true and to do their deeds, and then

1199
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:06.319
<v Speaker 2>they go back.

1200
01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:10.279
<v Speaker 1>That's the scariest thing, though, isn't it. Like if you know,

1201
01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:12.800
<v Speaker 1>all the movies are like, oh, it's like Independence Day,

1202
01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the ship's gonna come flying down us. But what if

1203
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:18.560
<v Speaker 1>instead they just instantly appear out of nowhere right like

1204
01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:20.760
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, there's just ships everywhere, right on

1205
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:23.680
<v Speaker 1>top of us. Like that would be way scarier, and

1206
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:28.319
<v Speaker 1>I think a better reflection of the relative difference in technology.

1207
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Like we always look at everything through a lens of

1208
01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:34.840
<v Speaker 1>our own technology, But a civilization that's a million years

1209
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:37.119
<v Speaker 1>more advanced than us, it has access to the zero

1210
01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:40.439
<v Speaker 1>point energy all around us that can build a material

1211
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:44.640
<v Speaker 1>at the atomic layer and make basically any property they want,

1212
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:46.960
<v Speaker 1>They're going to look at us like ants. We're like

1213
01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:49.439
<v Speaker 1>little ants to them. At least in my opinion, I

1214
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:51.640
<v Speaker 1>think it's a little sad that humans think we're so

1215
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:55.439
<v Speaker 1>advanced when we're probably just cave men messing around compared

1216
01:11:55.479 --> 01:12:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to some more advanced civilization. So so I guess, like,

1217
01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I think that's a good thought. Like

1218
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that they wouldn't care about us, so they

1219
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:06.960
<v Speaker 1>probably just watching and like, you know, see what the

1220
01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:09.279
<v Speaker 1>kids are doing until they mess up, because we're so

1221
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.439
<v Speaker 1>just far beneath them at this point. But so if

1222
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:16.399
<v Speaker 1>you favored a certain opinion on where they were coming from,

1223
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:19.039
<v Speaker 1>so then you would say that they could be coming

1224
01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:21.680
<v Speaker 1>from pretty much anywhere, right because of the portal situation,

1225
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Like it doesn't pretty much they're saying that our reality

1226
01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:29.279
<v Speaker 1>is so you would have subscribed to the multi universe,

1227
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:33.880
<v Speaker 1>multi reality timeline or time situation where you can just

1228
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:37.319
<v Speaker 1>like jump between potential realities. There might be multiverse of

1229
01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:40.239
<v Speaker 1>realities going on at once. Is that your your thought process?

1230
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Or they could be coming from Earth itself in

1231
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:46.359
<v Speaker 2>a different time period as well, so that's a movement

1232
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:50.079
<v Speaker 2>in a different direction, but still multi dimensional as well.

1233
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I mean, okay, that's what I want to understand

1234
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:55.319
<v Speaker 1>was what your perspective of multi dimensional was. And I

1235
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:57.840
<v Speaker 1>totally agree with your perspective on there. I'm not personally

1236
01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.399
<v Speaker 1>convinced that we've got like a multi universe thing going on,

1237
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.079
<v Speaker 1>but I haven't ruled it out. I just don't have

1238
01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:04.760
<v Speaker 1>enough data to assume. I think the ways to look

1239
01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:06.880
<v Speaker 1>at it, in my opinion, are one either time is

1240
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:10.439
<v Speaker 1>deterministic where we don't really have free will and everything

1241
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:13.359
<v Speaker 1>was always predestined to be or like what you said

1242
01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:17.199
<v Speaker 1>with multi universe, where like everything's happening slightly differently in

1243
01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:20.840
<v Speaker 1>different universes and you can kind of slide between them

1244
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:24.560
<v Speaker 1>based on your decisions. I think they're both really interesting theories,

1245
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and I think they opened the door to time travel,

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01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:29.439
<v Speaker 1>which is potentially important when we're talking about this stuff

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01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.239
<v Speaker 1>with portals, because like if you go through a portal

1248
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and now you're on the other side of the universe, Like,

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01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:37.640
<v Speaker 1>how does that work with time? And like if you

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01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:40.600
<v Speaker 1>come back through the portal, is it like a Narnia

1251
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:43.399
<v Speaker 1>situation and now it's like a thousand years later or

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01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:46.039
<v Speaker 1>is it you know, you come back through and it's

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01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:48.359
<v Speaker 1>a normal time again. I don't know. It's pretty interesting.

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01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Any thoughts on.

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01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Time Einstein was real or whether he was just something

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01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that was put together by the powers that existed at

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01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the time in order to make us believe certain things.

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01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:04.720
<v Speaker 2>So I think I think the best answers on that

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01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:09.680
<v Speaker 2>probably lies with Tesla and his writings, and I think

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01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:13.960
<v Speaker 2>we need to comb over those with a fine tooth comb,

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01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and that will give us a lot more insight than

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01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:19.520
<v Speaker 2>any of the other any of the other people that

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01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:22.520
<v Speaker 2>we look at today. That's what I think.

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01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:24.479
<v Speaker 1>I agree a lot. I used to think he was

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01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:27.039
<v Speaker 1>a mythical character, and then I found out that he

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01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:28.880
<v Speaker 1>was no really a guy and all the power we

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01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:31.359
<v Speaker 1>use is based on his inventions. And oh, he thought

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01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:35.239
<v Speaker 1>that free energy was possible based on radiant energy, which

1269
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:38.439
<v Speaker 1>is now basically just zero point energy, And it's like, oh,

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01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:40.399
<v Speaker 1>he thought all of this, and we just kind of

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01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:44.880
<v Speaker 1>ignored it for a hundred years years. One more thought

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01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:47.560
<v Speaker 1>on the alien thing. Here's the thought for you. I

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01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:51.800
<v Speaker 1>want to get your opinion on these plasma orbs. What

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01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:54.840
<v Speaker 1>if it turns out they're like really easy to invent?

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01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Like we it only seems hard because we just haven't

1276
01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:00.079
<v Speaker 1>thought about trying to make them, But what if if

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01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:01.880
<v Speaker 1>it turns out like we can make them as easy.

1278
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I have this lighter I keep around for examples, and

1279
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:06.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it's ran out of juice, But like, what

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01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:07.880
<v Speaker 1>if we could make a plasm orb as simple as

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01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:10.279
<v Speaker 1>I can turn this lighter on, right, What if this

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01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.439
<v Speaker 1>was a plasma orb generator and that's all I needed,

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01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and I could just make a plasma orb and then

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01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:18.159
<v Speaker 1>the plasma orb, just like a bubble, starts floating around

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01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:21.439
<v Speaker 1>and then eventually it dissipates. But you know, we can

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01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:25.079
<v Speaker 1>control it moving around. What if it turns out that

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01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:28.119
<v Speaker 1>that is just some property of the universe, and like

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01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:33.039
<v Speaker 1>any civilization that once you figure that out, now you've

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01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:35.680
<v Speaker 1>just moved up, like the scale from like you know,

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01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:39.239
<v Speaker 1>cave men figuring out fire, this is like fire cavemen

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01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:42.319
<v Speaker 1>figuring out electricity. Like that's how much you would jump up.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why I wanted to get your opinion on

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01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:46.279
<v Speaker 1>is this is because, like you said, like we're making

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01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:50.039
<v Speaker 1>our own artificial version of these What if these aliens

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01:15:50.119 --> 01:15:52.479
<v Speaker 1>that are out there, whatever any non human intelligence worth,

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01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:55.439
<v Speaker 1>they figure out how to make them too, and that

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01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, progressed created this huge growth in technological advance

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01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.600
<v Speaker 1>for any civilization. Do you think that's a theory that

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01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:04.520
<v Speaker 1>makes sense to you? You like that theory?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it does. It does very much suck, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's very possible that we can create plasmas in

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01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:15.640
<v Speaker 2>the way that you're saying. However, the adendum I would

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01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:21.000
<v Speaker 2>add to that is that it really looks like there

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01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:26.199
<v Speaker 2>would be a point where these plasmas, these orbs would

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01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:32.319
<v Speaker 2>become sentient, would become alive, and then you'd have the

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01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:36.359
<v Speaker 2>problem of well, if they do become alive, then what

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01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:41.960
<v Speaker 2>if they become independent, independent of the creator, and are

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01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:46.039
<v Speaker 2>able to run around and do whatever they plan to do,

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01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:49.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever they think is important. See, that's the other factor

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01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I think you have to add in because from what

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01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I've seen, there's a lot of these plasma UFOs that

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01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:03.039
<v Speaker 2>behave kind of like they're alive, like not biological life

1313
01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:06.520
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that we know, but there's mechanical life.

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01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:11.399
<v Speaker 2>There's other types of sentience and life that we are

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01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:15.279
<v Speaker 2>not prepared to understand fully. And I think that would

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01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:20.399
<v Speaker 2>be the other factor, because then what if you create

1317
01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:24.800
<v Speaker 2>these plasma orbs Ashton and then they just decide that,

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01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:29.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're not worthy of being alive or around

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01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:33.319
<v Speaker 2>because you're just biological and that's not important to them,

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01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:36.000
<v Speaker 2>you know. So I think that's another factor that we

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01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:37.199
<v Speaker 2>need to add in there.

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01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:41.479
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm one hundred percent all in on what you

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01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:43.520
<v Speaker 1>just said right there, And I didn't used to be

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01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:47.119
<v Speaker 1>like a little over a year ago, it was salvageur Pais.

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01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:49.000
<v Speaker 1>When I first spoke to him, he started talking about

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01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:52.039
<v Speaker 1>conscious plasma and everything else he was telling me was

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01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:55.199
<v Speaker 1>so grounded. And I listened to I'm like, hmmm, and

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01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:57.439
<v Speaker 1>he's telling me about Joseph Ferrell, and I think other

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01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:01.439
<v Speaker 1>people said, uh, crap, Robert temple Book, I forget the

1330
01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:05.439
<v Speaker 1>name of it. All talk about this idea of conscious plasma.

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01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:09.439
<v Speaker 1>And then though, the more you start investigating Tesla and

1332
01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:12.840
<v Speaker 1>this idea of this energy all around us, you really

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01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:16.520
<v Speaker 1>start to wonder, like what is sentience? Like what if

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01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:20.760
<v Speaker 1>sentience is just a permanent connection to this energy that's

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01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:23.119
<v Speaker 1>out there. I mean, we eat all the time so

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01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:25.439
<v Speaker 1>that we always have energy in us, and the moment

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01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:26.640
<v Speaker 1>we stop, well.

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01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:27.000
<v Speaker 2>We die.

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01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.560
<v Speaker 1>So why couldn't the ball of plasma, if it has

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01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:35.479
<v Speaker 1>a permanent connection to that energy field, why couldn't it

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01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:39.039
<v Speaker 1>be sentient? And the other thing that I tell people too,

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01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:41.399
<v Speaker 1>anyone that's skeptical of this things iss far and well,

1343
01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:43.359
<v Speaker 1>look at all the different types of life we have

1344
01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:46.560
<v Speaker 1>on the plant. We have trees and plants, those are

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01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:51.520
<v Speaker 1>is that sentient. I mean it's alive. We have dogs, animals, fish, squid,

1346
01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:53.800
<v Speaker 1>all these other types of creatures that are out there,

1347
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:57.279
<v Speaker 1>and human beings and monkeys. To me, it seems like

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01:18:57.319 --> 01:19:00.279
<v Speaker 1>a pretty logical answer that the connection to this energy

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01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:04.600
<v Speaker 1>field is life. And then you broach the topic of

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01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:08.279
<v Speaker 1>like the same problem with AI. What if AI or

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01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:11.319
<v Speaker 1>a sentient plasma or some combination. Can you imagine that

1352
01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:16.760
<v Speaker 1>a sentient AI plasma decides that, well, we're biologic, we're

1353
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:20.720
<v Speaker 1>basically just ants and you step on ants, or we're

1354
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:23.640
<v Speaker 1>let's say we're a parasite, and it decides we're a

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01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:27.119
<v Speaker 1>parasite and we're not in harming enough with the universe

1356
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:30.439
<v Speaker 1>in sides to wipe us out. Like I'm actually terrified

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01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:32.239
<v Speaker 1>of that. I'm pretty sure at this point, like that's

1358
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.640
<v Speaker 1>just guaranteed what's going to happen. Everybody else is going, no, Ashton,

1359
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the AI is totally great, blah blah blah, nothing's gonna happen.

1360
01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.039
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sitting going over here, guys like, can we

1361
01:19:41.079 --> 01:19:45.359
<v Speaker 1>delete all the AI before it's too late because we're cooked? Guys. Yeah,

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01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:46.800
<v Speaker 1>so what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the one thing that comforts me is that I

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01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:55.119
<v Speaker 2>do believe in God, and I do believe that God

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01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:57.159
<v Speaker 2>of One is God of all. Either you believe in

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01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:01.800
<v Speaker 2>God or you don't. And that I think that there's

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01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:05.760
<v Speaker 2>a there's a factor here that one of the reasons why,

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01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:11.760
<v Speaker 2>for instance, God allowed, for instance, the Ananaki and they're

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01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:14.880
<v Speaker 2>not by any means the only ones, but they allowed

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01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:19.640
<v Speaker 2>He allowed Ananachi to create new forms of life, which

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01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:22.239
<v Speaker 2>they did. We have, We have all the recordings all

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01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:26.159
<v Speaker 2>over Earth when the anaki Uh create and who are

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01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:29.720
<v Speaker 2>also sometimes referred to as fallen angels Uh, and they

1374
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:33.319
<v Speaker 2>came and they created different forms of life, and they

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01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:37.000
<v Speaker 2>have paintings and frescoes showing them doing this and having

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01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:40.359
<v Speaker 2>their little battery packs with them and all kinds of

1377
01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:44.479
<v Speaker 2>crazy stuff like that. And I think that one of

1378
01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:49.560
<v Speaker 2>the things about the creatures that separate from God is

1379
01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:52.920
<v Speaker 2>that they always go back to trying to imitate God

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01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:57.399
<v Speaker 2>and be just like God, which means creating life, creating

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01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:02.199
<v Speaker 2>new life. And so I I think it actually amuses

1382
01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the creator God to actually let them try to be

1383
01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:10.359
<v Speaker 2>like him. I think that's one of the things that

1384
01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:13.319
<v Speaker 2>we see going on. And that's why this conversation is

1385
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:20.520
<v Speaker 2>so important about the plasma orbs getting consciousness and AI

1386
01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:24.399
<v Speaker 2>getting consciousness. And I think that sort of thing is

1387
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:27.600
<v Speaker 2>going to be allowed. It's going to be allowed because

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01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:32.680
<v Speaker 2>it somehow it amuses God to watch us and watch

1389
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:36.159
<v Speaker 2>others try to be just like him. I think that's

1390
01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:37.079
<v Speaker 2>what we're facing here.

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01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, he made us in his image, so it makes sense, right,

1392
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:42.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the whole point. And that's what scares

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01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:44.319
<v Speaker 1>me too about this idea that maybe it is all

1394
01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:48.199
<v Speaker 1>just a simulation, and where a simulation that another life

1395
01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:51.399
<v Speaker 1>form created, that another life form created, and eventually you

1396
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:53.960
<v Speaker 1>get up to God. You know, that's also a solution

1397
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:56.359
<v Speaker 1>to the answer. And so it's like, oh man, maybe

1398
01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:58.960
<v Speaker 1>we are in a simulation. We're like three simulations deep

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01:21:59.000 --> 01:21:59.880
<v Speaker 1>already right now.

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01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Because you read Thomas Campbell My Big Toe.

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01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:09.199
<v Speaker 1>No I haven't, but obvious alike, right.

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01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Check him out because h Thomas Campbell is a physic

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01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:17.720
<v Speaker 2>physicist and he's kind of like quantum. I don't know

1404
01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:21.960
<v Speaker 2>if they call themselves quantum, but he's like a quantum physicist.

1405
01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:25.640
<v Speaker 2>He's brilliant, brilliant thinker, and he's the one who wrote

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01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:29.600
<v Speaker 2>My Big Toe My Theory of Everything, Uh, and he's

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01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:33.000
<v Speaker 2>just he's just amazing, and he says he can just

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01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:35.600
<v Speaker 2>take a few steps to prove to you, and he

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01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:37.760
<v Speaker 2>does in this book to prove to you that you

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01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:41.960
<v Speaker 2>are in a similar simulation that may be exactly like

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01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:44.880
<v Speaker 2>what you describe. Uh So, he's just he's just a

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01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:48.760
<v Speaker 2>brilliant guy. That's one of the few scientists. You know.

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01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:52.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything about science, but I know, but

1414
01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what. I am an investigator, and I

1415
01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm an investigator, and I know. What I do

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01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:00.560
<v Speaker 2>know is when people are lying to me or when

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01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:05.279
<v Speaker 2>they're telling me the truth. And I find most scientists

1418
01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:08.359
<v Speaker 2>are kind of like used car salesmen trying to sell lemons,

1419
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.439
<v Speaker 2>and they're just trying to feed you all kinds of nonsense.

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01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:13.960
<v Speaker 2>And I don't need to know a lot about science

1421
01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:17.319
<v Speaker 2>to say to myself, this guy's just making this bullshit up.

1422
01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:20.960
<v Speaker 2>He's just making shit up. He's just it's this nonsense.

1423
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:25.199
<v Speaker 2>And when I hear somebody like Thomas Campbell or yourself,

1424
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:29.079
<v Speaker 2>I can say, Wow, these guys they're telling the truth.

1425
01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:33.960
<v Speaker 2>They're committed to the truth, they're convicted by the truth,

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01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and that really makes all the difference in the world.

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01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:40.920
<v Speaker 2>And it's the reason why I've only trusted a few

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01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:45.720
<v Speaker 2>people as scientists throughout the years, like Nicole Tesla McKenna,

1429
01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:50.399
<v Speaker 2>Thomas Campbell, and very few others, and I recommend it's

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01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:53.399
<v Speaker 2>a good way to be Just find out if they're

1431
01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:57.000
<v Speaker 2>telling you the truth, that's first. That's the most important thing.

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01:23:58.079 --> 01:23:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that's a good note to end

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01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:02.279
<v Speaker 1>it on for our discussion today. So I just want

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01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:07.720
<v Speaker 1>to thank you John Desusa, a former FBI agent, having

1435
01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:11.560
<v Speaker 1>this conversation with me talking about the deep state, corruption,

1436
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:16.119
<v Speaker 1>plasma orbs and aliens and all this fun stuff. I mean,

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01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm just blessed to be on this earth be able

1438
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:20.359
<v Speaker 1>to talk to fun people like you, and I do

1439
01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:22.159
<v Speaker 1>want to say it is really important that we talk

1440
01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:24.520
<v Speaker 1>about this plasma orb stuff. I think we're going to

1441
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:27.279
<v Speaker 1>be vindicated in the future and it's we're going to

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01:24:27.319 --> 01:24:29.439
<v Speaker 1>find out they do have these plasma orbs that are

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01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:34.399
<v Speaker 1>drones that have basically unlimited payload capability, and that's going

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01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:37.439
<v Speaker 1>to usher in like potentially a new Cold War and

1445
01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:40.279
<v Speaker 1>a new way of thinking for all of humanity. So

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01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:44.239
<v Speaker 1>thank you for being an influencer of these ideas and

1447
01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:47.319
<v Speaker 1>pushing these ideas out there to other people on podcasts

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01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>because I strongly believe we're an information war and that

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01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:53.079
<v Speaker 1>the only way we win is by getting the ideas

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<v Speaker 1>out there, especially on alternative media. So thank you, John.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead and say whatever you want to say, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can shout out your books and where people can

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<v Speaker 1>find you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks so much, Ashton. It is so awesome to

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<v Speaker 2>be here with you. And yes, people can find me

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<v Speaker 2>at My website is John tamilbooks dot com. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would urge people, especially right now, to just take a

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<v Speaker 2>look at my book, The Extra Dimensionals, because it goes

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<v Speaker 2>into everything that's happening right now. It was written many years,

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<v Speaker 2>it was written years ago, but what happened, what's in

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<v Speaker 2>that book is everything that's happening right now. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just want people to just I mean, just your get

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<v Speaker 2>your personal assistant to read you the notes at least

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<v Speaker 2>and put that together for you, and just so you

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<v Speaker 2>can have some idea of what's actually happening, because right

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<v Speaker 2>now we're on the cusp of possibly use these large

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<v Speaker 2>super weapon drones, possibly going kinetic against us, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see what happens at the inauguration. I would

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<v Speaker 2>ask people don't go to the inauguration and just watch

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<v Speaker 2>it on your television. Just watch it on TV and

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<v Speaker 2>don't go there because we're in a very, very dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>time and we need to make sure as many of

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<v Speaker 2>us survive as possible. That's what we're looking at right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks again, Ashton, great being welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, sir. This was another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Hardrews Podcast. Check us next time, guys. Later