Speaker 1: I think in order to understand who they are, we
got to go back to the origins of Marxist schisms,
what happened after the phase of their not being successful
proletary revolutions, And even in the case of Lenin and Trotsky,
there's significant evidence that they would have never been successful
had they not had Western banking and corporate funding. People
for like the Warburgs, the Shifts, and the Rockefellers were
big supporters of the bullshit Revolution.
Speaker 2: So when people now, not just in alternative media but
in mainstream media want to now say, oh, it's the Fabians,
it was originally you know, the World Economic Forum guys,
but now it's Fabians. But it all interlinks.
Speaker 1: This is institutional subversion and permeation that actually affected most
of today's post World War two breton Wood systems. None
of this could have actually been successful had there not
been a faux conservative, faux right wing controlled opposition that
acted as if they were in a battle with these people,
but would always concede.
Speaker 2: People can see it now. People always say about the
civil service, judges, all of these very very important key
parts of society now are being occupied. How do you
go up against the beast like that when you have institutions,
the civil service and absolutely everything dominated by this one
think tank joining me to have a discussion all to
do with the Fabians is author, comedian, orthodox apologist and
writer for The Sam Hide Show, Jay Dyer. Jay, thank
you so much for joining me. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm Gray Lewis, glad to chat with you. I'm glad
to be following you on Twitter. I have my buddies
called my Attention to your feed and we've got people
in the UK that are fans of you that are
buddies of I'm so glad to connect with you and
definitely always down to talk about this topic because it's
it's overlooked and it's really important as one of the
key things going on in the world.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's amazing, man. I had no idea, so
thank you very much for that. Yeah, lots to talk about.
It's a bit of a rabbit hole, so I guess
should we just start from like the beginning a bit
of history. I mean, I bought myself this book called
The History of the Fabian Society here by Edward Rps
and it unfortunately it's in typewriter format, So yeah, through
it's just so awful.
Speaker 1: Man. I did the same thing. I bought another a
woman's book that's pretty famous on it, Rose Martin's book,
and it ended up coming as this giant, like boomer
like massive text thing that's really annoying to read. So
I hear you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those topics that, even though some
people have heard of it and they want to talk
about it, finding out where to begin is quite difficult.
But I hear that you know quite a bit about it.
So yeah, should we start from the beginning? Then? Who
are the what is the Fabian society? What are they
all about?
Speaker 1: I think in order to understand who they are, we
got to go back to the origins of Marxist schisms
to begin with, and the different groups and splits that
come out of the original era. I mean, you could say,
even before Karl Marx, there was you know, socialism and
Marxism going. I mean, it's not Marxism yet, but it's
essentially Marxism. Even prior to marx people look in the
West at things like the Munster Rebellion as a form
of early proto Marxism. People look to you'll come a
fior as a kind of a proto communist. So there's
there's earlier examples of communal living. Even the famed conspiracy
personage Adam Weisschot did teach a form of communism. And
when we get to the French Revolution, we have the
figures known as the Jacobins, who were the radical side
of the Reformation or the revolution. There. If you don't know,
there was two to it. There's the Jacobins and the Grondins,
and they were the two sides of the Tennis Court
after the revolution in France, but they're both revolutionary. The
left wing side of the Tennis Court were the leftists
and they were the Jacobin communists. So there's quite a
few communist groups and ideas before Karl Marx. But Marx,
for whatever reason, and probably with certain funding from various
elite figures, was able to really rise to prominence. And
the early Marxists after Marx, people that we all know of,
like Lenin and Trotsky and others, they favored the use
of terror. So terrorism was a key component of Marxism
early on, and Marx had the idea that the proletariat
would rise up and overthrow the nobility, the you know,
own owning class, the bluegeoisie, et cetera. But that didn't happen.
So what happened after the phase of there not being
successful proletary revolutions? And even in the case of Lennon
and Trotsky, there's significant evidence that they would have never
been successful had they not had Western banking and corporate funding.
People for like the Warburgs, the Shifts, and the Rockefellers
were big supporters of the Bullshit Revolution. So really Marxism
after this period was in kind of a stalled state.
They had a revolution in Germany for a little while,
but it only lasted a few years and then it
was overturned. So they were trying to figure out what
do we do? And a couple of figures in the
UK rose to prominence, namely Beatrice and Sydney Webb, and
not Henry Wallace, but there's another character named Wallace who decided, well,
maybe we need to rethink the strategy. And so there's
a really excellent book that I think is probably one
of the best on this that very few people know
about or are aware of, And I would happy to
have had a research or recommend this to me on
Twitter just randomly. And it's called The Milner Fabian Conspiracy.
It's actually like a five hundred page text. It's really
good and it goes into basically the history of the
Fabian society, particularly obviously in the UK, but also how
they did link up with and connect with and support
all the other socialist movements. So even though they didn't
really agree with everything that Lenin believed in, like red
Terror per se or the Bloody Approach, they were big supporters.
In fact, Sydney Webb, Beatrice web they wrote letters to Krypskaya,
Lenin's wife and so forth, supporting the movement, even if
they thought there might be better approaches. So what is
the better approach? The idea is, let's reform Marxism and
instead of this proletariat worker class who doesn't care about
the obscure neologisms of Marxist theory. They're worried about getting
on lunch break. They're not interested in overthrowing the means
of the corporate structure to take control of the means
of production. Let's focus on recruiting wealthy people to fund
the movement. And so they came up with the idea
of reformed Marxism or capitalist friendly Marxism. And this was
seen as a much better approach, not just for optics
but for actually getting things done. They were also still
consistent in their call for radical social Darwinism, the creation
of a new Man. All non socialists eventually should perish.
They believed in the forms of dysgenics and genocide, and
they just didn't want to be as open about it.
And so many of these people, and I'm going to
stop you up in here in a second. Many of
these people were also connected to and thought the idea
of Marx's secret society model could also work as well.
So not saying that Fabane society is a totally secret society.
It's kind of a private public type of society, but
it does share some of the elements of the strategies
of planning things in secret. And here's the big, key,
essential thing about Fabian society is doing things in slow
motion rather than trying to do a fast, overt, bloody revolution.
If we utilize the techniques and strategies of propaganda, psychological warfare,
infiltrate and penetration and subversion is one of their phrases,
we could get a lot more done than this overt model.
So they very early on were very successful in recruiting
very wealthy industrialists and capitalists, very powerful nobility as well.
Lord Milner becomes one of their chief supporters. I would
argue Lord Rothchild as well is in the background as
a supporter. And this doesn't necessarily mean that everybody within
these groups agrees on every single thing. But the Fabians
do eventually become kind of a masked version of the
Labor Party. So the Labor Party is really named after
this whole idea. It used to be the Fabian ideology,
but they renamed it as Labor to sound like they
cared about the workers. But this is exactly why they
have really this radical policy to which again the Labor
Party is really founded to establish and quote implement Fabianism.
And the other thing I want to mention that people
overlook that was really ahead of its time that raw
to You talks about in his book was that they
weren't so much interested in overt political terror like assassinations
or revolution in the bloody sense, but they were very
interested in culture war and esthetic terrorism. In fact, they
were some of the first to promote I don't know
if we're gonna be on YouTube or not, so I
don't know if I want to say this word, but
the st reality in the public as a form of art.
But they understood that what this would do is actually
become a kind of esthetic terrorism, to brutalize and shock
the public, to move the social overton window more and
more and more towards the left. So they did believe
in forms of esthetic or artistic terrorism, maybe not as
a much overt terror, even though they maintained the same
bloody ideologies of the marks the radical you know, Lennon
Marxist types that believe that anyone not a part of
the revolution would eventually have to die. You know. George
Bernard Shaw, another one of the famous Fabian socialist, was
very overtly explicit in that that most white people would
especially have to die because they would not go along
with this revolution. And the other thing to remember is
that they were the key figures one hundred plus years
ago planning to open up the UK and by extension,
the rest of Europe to Islam as a strategy of
social demographic change for socialism.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating here in this because you know, when you
speak to a Fabian in twenty twenty five, for example,
when I put a post out saying that we must
be asking questions about this specific society. You had a
modern day Fabian say something like, this is just Britain's
oldest think tank. It's got nothing to do with radical change.
You know, you can just get a you can just
pay five pound ten pound a month and just become
a member. What are you talking about that there's some
sort of secret society. And it's almost like this gas
lightich that has been happening for decades and decades to
really try and switch people over, because people, let's be honest, though, Jay,
like the world sucks at the minute. It's been one
of the most depressing and most radicalizing couple of weeks
in politics as it is, and there is obviously always
going to be an enemy, and there is always going
to be something that people want to point at and
say this is the bad guy. Obviously, So when people
now not just in alternative media but in mainstream media
want to now say, oh, it's the Fabians. It was
originally you know, the World Economic Forum guys, but now
it's Fabians. But you know, it all interlinks, it all
crosses over. So what do you say then, to let's
say a modern day Fabian who doesn't actually know that
they're in this quite hedonistic, horrific, sort of necessarily secret
kind of Cultal most.
Speaker 1: Well, I would say that the some of the most
powerful and influential people have been members openly, and the
fact that this is something in the open doesn't mean
that it can't also have an element of secrecy and
subversion and long term radical goals. So really those claims
are just kind of read herrings and distractions from the known,
very accessible history of the Fabian Society. For example, some
of its members have included not just people that you've
heard me mention, like Lord Alfred Milner, who was a
huge supporter of this whole movement, as well as a
lot of support from the Rothschilds was wrought to you
he talks about on pages thirty eight and thirty nine.
But this incident, this ideology included, of course HG. Wells.
I've lectured through most of H. C. Wells's nonfiction books
on my channel Bertrand Russell. We've lectured through two or
three of his books as well that deal with the
erection of this sort of future technocratic socialist depopulation agenda,
which my way, he was a big supporter also of
the bringing in of Islam into the UK very very
early on. So a lot of the people who are
again very prominent, well known people, were a part of this.
And the long term strategy, according to the people in
it and the founders, is a radical strategy. It's just
don't do the radicalism right away. So again Bernard Shaw,
all these people, they talk about destroying the indigenous people
groups of Europe and the UK, doing this through mass
importation of foreign and specifically Islamic groups originally. And it's
fascinating because early on in the text, the Ratu texts,
he points out how they didn't begin with Sunni Muslims.
They began with Sufi's at around nineteen ten nineteen twenty,
bringing them to Cambridge and Oxford, because well, Sufi's are
a little more ecumenical, and they're more you know, syncretists,
and they're a little softer, and you know, they like
other religions and systems like neoplatonism and they're mystical. But
that actually set up the first pro Islamic think tank
organization in the UK that then began to bring other
Islamic groups to where now we get Sidiq Khan and
people who are a Fabian socialist Islamic Ish, you know Mayor.
Speaker 2: I mean he was a chair exec I believe you
can even find it on their website out like saying
that he was a chair executive along with a very
famous judge in the UK, Lord Hermer, who has you know,
represented all sorts of people such as Shemima Begum and
you know Jerry Adams, all of these characters. Another thing
that's that's been brought up a lot. The first time
I heard about the Fabians was someone posted the infamous
flag and that is the wolf in sheep's clothing, and
they later changed it to I believe the turtle. The
slow incrementation of their ideology. What do you know about
the flag? What do you know about its origins and
how it came to be? I don't suppose you could
explain a little bit about that if possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also another symbol that's lesser known.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He has a picture of it in this book somewhere
as trying to find it. It's a picture of the
It's it's a stained glass window where they're hammering on
a forge a new heart. I don't know if you've
seen that. That's that's essentially supposed to be the It's
it's religious imagery taken and put into this sort of
atheistic context. Uh. And it's you know, it's kind of
like the the idea of the new Man that you
know Marx and the marx is always talking about creating
the new social man again, which is really borrowing here.
It is borrowing from Christian theology and imagery. And the
window is called through the world through Fabian eyes, and
it illustrates the world reconstruction project.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Let me read this really briefly. Hear what Ratia says
about the wolf clothing in this image. She says as
if to confirm the subversive nature of Fabians. George Bernard
Shaw on nineteen ten commissioned to stained glass window from
showing from left or right, Fabian leaders Edward PA's, Sidney
Webb and Shaw himself forging out of the world of
the old as the other Fabians kneel and worship the
which is intended to be humorous, and attitudes towards their
writings elevated as if they were divine scripture and divine
writ and portraying a cult like nature of socialism and
the Fabian society. Intection, in particular making socialism and Fabianism
into a religious movement. And it says the windows motto
is remold the world nearer to the heart's desire, citing
the medieval Iranian poet Omar Khayam. And then there's this
long Islamic thing, and then it says Fabians would plan
then to destroy and then reconstruct all of society according
to their image. And thus the other image that they
told chose was a coat of arms of a wolf
in sheep's clothing holding the red flags with FS or
Fabian Society, which is now still in existence but located
at the London School of Economics. So none of this
has gone away. Here's the stained glass window with the
three founders in this sort of religious cult like imagery.
And to your point, yeah, to your point, like, this
isn't just some random group of obscure you know, intellectuals
and poet want to bees. This is institutional subversion and
permeation that actually affected most of today's post World War
two breton Wood system. So when we talk about everything
from the United Nations, well, the League of Nations and
the United Nations, they were both founded with open Fabian
socialist ideology. The World Council, Churches, the Aspen Institute, NATO,
the IMF, the World Bank, on and on and on.
They are all suffused with and literally headed up by
open members of the Fabian society committed to this ideology.
All the way even to the early heads of the OSS,
which is the predecessor to the CIA, they were headed
up by Baby and socialists. The very beginning of British
intelligence in terms of Y five also Fabian socialism. So
that's how influential this is, even to the point of
US presidents Woodrow Wilson, under which we get the Federal Reserve.
You got it, Baby and socialists.
Speaker 2: It's just insane. I mean, you do see a lot
of overlap, you know. I think you mentioned earlier a
particular line very similar to the klau Schwab World Economic
Forum penetrate the cabinets is very similar language where it's
almost it's the slow like they obviously say themselves, the
slow incrementation, but also it's a takeover, is what it is,
and they're not shy about it. Another thing that I've
noticed that's very that overlaps a lot is a lot
of esoteric stuff that the Fabians are very into what
do you know a bit more about with regards to
esoteric stuff that the Fabians believed? What is it that?
Because you because you know quite a lot about the
esoteric side of things, You've done things on like Hollywood
and various other topics.
Speaker 1: But what commute this is a really really equally important
point because you actually can't get away from what we
call the New Age movement, which post nineteen sixties in
the US really encompasses everything from crystals to yoga, to
transcendental meditation, to gurus, you name it. All of that
stuff that comes out of the nineteen sixties movement in
the US was actually pre dated and promulgated decades earlier
by you got it, Fabian socialist Madam Blovatski, the founder
of the religious syncrotous cult called Theosophy. There's a great
article by a history of espionage scholar doctor Richard Spence
about Theosophy's connection to intelligence operations as well. He argues,
and it looks fairly substantially true that Blovatski was probably
some degree working as an intelligence operative, and so her
secret teaching missions that she would do to these other
countries were also probably going to meet with for example
KGB Operatives. So I've sent this article on a link
it below, But that's because on a broader scale, there
was tremendous support from the Rothchields and from the other
Fabians to push this free love message, not in the
nineteen sixties, but through Fabians in nineteen o seven. The
Fabians were pushing open relationships, pan community, whatever you want
to call that. In nineteen o seven, in fact, I
mentioned that BS Theality art that was intentionally a Satanic construct.
Let me see what he says about this. He says,
behind the widely acknowledged talent of some of the Fabian
artists who actually lurked a dark secret for their deviant instincts,
this all Parbadian Fabian hold on society meant that the
works of art like Gil produced a Fabian predict practitioner
of pdf I, n Cest and Bes the Reality would
make their way into respectable institutions like the London Electric Railway,
the BBC, the League of Nations and even inside Westminster Cathedral.
So notice this isn't modern day New York MoMA Museum
of Modern Art MoMA, where they have degenerate, disgusting art.
This is nineteen like seven. So they were way hut
of the curve with satanic art and explicitly satanic art
one hundred years before everybody else, paving the way, not
just with all of the new age of cult type
stuff with Blovatsky, Bailey, bassant the Three Witches of the
United Nations right, all of whom, by the way, we're
Fabian socialists. They were also preparing the way for the,
as we said, aesthetic attack on art. Other individuals associated
include people like Gerdjeff the self help guru and he
says here leading Fabians like any bassant Ar Orange Clement
Attlee also joined Masonic lodges with the idea of promoting
Fabianism through Freemason. The alternative numents of these times, like Theosophy,
and even g I Gurgia's Fourth Way became associated with
and promoted UH Fabian socialism. And I want to say
even the Yeah, remember the Scottish National Party some years
back that was gaining attention for UH news attraction news
traction related to Brexit and all that kind of stuff
that that they're not saying there before it, but they were.
They were in the news at that time. They also
believe are a Fabian socialist institution.
Speaker 2: Brilliant. It's funny you mentioned Clement Attlee because he was
considered a darling on the left wing in the Labor Party,
I believe, and I want to just triple check this
obviously preceded by Winston Churchill straight after. I believe he
was the one that set up the National Health Service
as well. I believe it was Clement Atlee otherwise.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that sounds right, I think.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, let's go with that.
Speaker 1: The saying people were behind the US or the UK
setting up their social security system, which was prior to
the US establishing it I think under FDR, and it
bankrupted the UK and the UK had to get loans
from the US via FDR, who then put the same
security system into the US, all of which are just
versions of socialism.
Speaker 2: And when we talk about things like well, to be fair,
I mean it says on the tin you mentioned Rothschild,
So of course funding isn't necessarily an issue there. But
I'm thinking more sort of modern sense because I guess
being the oldest think tank in Britain set up by
these particular guys p's and all the rest of it,
I think now when you look at the modern point
of the Fabian societies. What keeps it going, I believe
is things like other NGOs charities, but also people like
Sadiq Kahan and others that have been chaired and or
Chelsea Ane Tony Blair massive example as well. I mean
that guy. The amount of skeletons in that man's closets unbelievable. Yeah,
in terms of funding and things like that, is is
that something do you think is more obtainable now or
or not necessarily? I know it sounds like a very
bizarre question, but.
Speaker 1: I would imagine the funding still comes from all these
same types of entities, you know, the Rockefellers, the Rothchild's.
You know, for example, David Rockefeller over here in the US,
he early on, when he was doing his grad work,
studied under von Hayek, the famous you know, libertarian economic theorist,
the liberal theorist. But then when he went on to
do more advanced studies, he studied under the most Faban
the most famous Fabian socialist economists in the US, Harold Lasky.
And Rockefeller then seems to have been committed to this
ideology more so than the you know, the libertarian ideology
and I'm not I have criticisms of classical liberalism as well,
but this is definitely going in a worse direction when
when he chooses to really support these types of ideas
and systems, and so I would say that not too
long after, you know, Rockefeller's committal to this, you get
in the US, we had these hearings called the Recee
Committee hearings and the Race Committee hearings were investigating the
big foundations in the US, like the Rockefeller Foundation, the
Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation, et cetera, because all these
foundations had a similar approach, which was to put tons
of money into leftist socialist causes such as this. So
this has really been going and what they found was
it was the case, and then of course nothing was done.
So so it's like all these hearings, you know when
you see people, you know, brought up to government hearings
and congressional hearings, and it's like it's like a show,
kind of like they do this hubbub and there's all
this media gibberish and then nothing happens, nobody gets in trouble.
It's just sort of like, Okay, well this happened. So likewise,
I don't think this has ever ceased. And I would
say it's all these same usual suspects, and that's because
these are the suspects that originally set up these institutions,
especially in the US. What happened was when these fabian
social institutions are set up in the UK, everything as
we said, from the London School of Economics to Chatham House,
et cetera, and eventually the great British universities also ended
up kind of moving into being engines of this. Whether
it's Eton or Oxford or Cambridge, they're all really the
same ideological structure here in terms of the power brokers.
Maybe not every professor, but you know, the overall power
structure running things. So what happens is in the US
the elites in the US decide to kind of mirror
this called the Eastern Seaboard establishment. The rock Offer family
at at the forefront of this sets up in the
New York Pratt House, which is supposed to be the
model for Chatham House. It's the New York version of
Chatham House in the UK, and that spawns things like
the Council for Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the
eventually Builderberg. All of which all share this same Fabian
socialist ethos. Again, even if not every individual espouses this,
that's the overriding ideology. And one way to see that
is to look at their chosen economist of choice, the
elite chosen economist of all the Fabians, he's their premier
is John Mayner Kines Keynesian economics, which dominates twentieth century,
which dominates academia throughout the world and the West, is
a Fabian socialist exercise. So that explains the whole monetary principle,
the whole support the whole system. And you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: See I was going to say in terms of roles
of the political landscape. But we know, especially in the
UK and the US as well most of the Western hemisphere. Now,
over this incremental period since World War Two, we have
seen many institutions from like you mentioned the BBC universities,
all of these big conglomerate institutions, Oxford Union, all of
these places have almost been well you can call it
infiltrated by this same society now and people can see
it now. People always say about the civil service, judges,
all of these very very important key parts of society
now being occupied by this particular society. So I guess
I don't want to. I don't want to be a
black pillar obviously, because you know black, you should never blackpill.
But for me, how do you how do you reconcile
with a beast like that? How do you how do
you what am I trying to say? How do you
go up against a beast like that? When you have institutions,
the civil service and absolutely everything dominated by this one
think tank that is a you know, as well as
a secret not so secret society, like, how how do
you go up against some beast like that? I mean,
it's almost impossible.
Speaker 1: Right, right, It's definitely a juggernaut. But the weak point
is that it's very difficult to make it work. And
so the its weakest point is that it actually always fails, okay,
and it's kind of intended to fail, right, I mean,
it's actually the long term purpose is to put into
place actual policies that bankrupt the nation, that steal from pensioners,
that steal the value of the currency over time through
inflation and money printing, and all the caynesy and ideas.
It's a very especially with Canes, it's a war based economy.
Since it's not a production based economy. They will always
promote war, even though they're supposedly leftists or whatever. That's
all really a front. So as they said, here all
facts considered bringing the entirety of the society under state control.
Now this is George Bernardshaw himself talking about how Labor
would be the front for a total control via the
Fabian Society operating from behind the scenes with Labor as
a democratic front. So it's a frontispiece. It's a cloak
they wear of populism, but it's actually an extremely elitist,
you know, wealth based monitorist club you could say, even
eventually committed to kind of you know, mass murder and
depopulation actually according to the real ethos. So that's I
think one of the weak points that it has is
that if people can see that number one of the
policies don't actually work. They're consistently destructive. And you know,
I noticed, you guys had three million people marching. They
don't all know about the Fabian Society, but they noticed
that the Fabian Society policies seem to wreck things very well,
and it's almost like maybe they're wrecking it on purpose.
But the other weak points I think would be that,
you know, a lot of evil points people back in
the direction of things that are good. Yes, So I
think that in terms of Orthodox Christianity, solid you know,
tradition minded people are making a resurgence because they see
how destructive and evil all of this stuff is. Especially, yeah, exactly,
and I think we're people are beginning to understand that
the whole twentieth century, it's myths, it's narratives, the post
Bretton Wood's system of the dollar as a reserve, world
reserve currency, all of that mythology is beginning to collapse.
And so that's actually a good thing because that means
a lot of the institutions and things built up as
a result of it, whether it's the IMF or the
World Bank or any of this kind of stuff, or
the mainstream media, et cetera. That's legacy stuff is going
to be collapsing. And Trajan Hote, which the Ratua book
actually is, it relies significantly early on for with traj
you hope, Trajan up has a lot of also key
insights into this network, this group, And as you get
to about the middle of the book, if you ever
find the time to read it, and not use specific
but anybody because it's a massively dry technical read this
thirteen hundred page but you know he talks about this
in the in the middle of the book as the
Parabos Rothschild's banking system, and that's what's the locust and
the heart of all of this. Even the Fabian society
couldn't really function without this massive support from these money
to oligarchical elites and industrialists. And so I would say
this might sound a little out there, but things that
are alternatives and oppositions to this system, like bitcoin are
actually one of the ways to step outside of this,
just in an economic sense, so that you've got the
spiritual that people are waking up to and you've also
got the economic alternatives. Gold is what everybody used to think,
but I mean the Rothchilds have massive wealth and control
of the gold market, rock fillers as many many of
these families are very adept at manipulating the gold market.
It's a lot harder to manipulate something like like bitcoins.
I would say economically big coin is something that's an
affront to this system. This is why, for example, the
IMF says any country in the IMF cannot have a
gold standard, and thus by extension, as they told El Salvador,
they want El Salvador off of a bitcoin center because
it's digital goal. So those are the economic ways that
people can fight back against this the spiritual and then
it's probably a little bit difficult in the UK, but
like here in the US, we have a much larger
land mass. It's very and really it's the same system.
You know, we just had this Fabian socialist, I think
he's a Fabian social based some kind of the socialist
Muslim guy in New York, Mamdani. So we're getting the
same thing happening in the US. We're getting mosques built
all over the US. So I think that, you know,
people need to move out of these basically democratic socialists
run cities, find land in the countryside, and you're much
better off.
Speaker 2: With regards to the opposition. When you when we talk
about let's say British politics, you've obviously you've of course
heard this before. The UNI Party they call it where
the trust from both parties is completely diminished and that
both parties seem to enact the same agenda. From the
Tory Party to obviously the Labor Party is there crossover
do you think with the Fabian Society and of course
the quote unquote Conservative Party as a whole, is their
crossover or has the Fabian Society been like the sort
of umbrella and it's created other like you mentioned, the
Trilateral Commission is a massive one. Builderberg is another one
that people talk about is that kind of has the
Fabians been like the top umbrella and then underneath that
it's created ones that are more I hate the works.
It's cursed but inclusive, like to like the conservativele Tory
Party that it sort of molds together.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, Ratio has a good chapter where he
talks about how none of this could have actually been
successful had there not been a faux conservative, faux right
wing controlled opposition that acted as if they were in
a battle with these people but would always concede. And
we have the exact same thing. Of course in the
US we've had, you know, the Republican Party, which for
so many decades is really just the neo conservative Zionist
party and it plays the role of conservative and you know,
now we're to the point where, oh, well we have
to be big tent conservativism and have you know trans
you know, trans politicians and all this like this is
where we So you know that's by design absolutely, and
that itself is part of the Fabian dialectical control model,
where you have a false debates, false opposition, and usual
people that are significant real opposition are filtered out. It's
very difficult, you know, to get into politics without money,
whether it's in the US or the UK. So I
think that a lot of a lot of this is
done through you know, monetary control and backing. And I
mean there's it's difficult to say with Trump to what
degree we you know, are actually dealing with It's just
a mess. But I mean I think that even Trump
kind of is afraid of Israeli power, Zion's power, and
Zion's power is not antithetical to what we're talking about.
In fact, I was just looking at Moses Hess, and
you know, if you read Moses Hess's early books on
Rome and Jerusalem, he's talking about Zionism in eighteen sixty two.
So this is something planned way before the modern nation
state of Israel came to be, or even way before
the Balfour Declaration, and the early Zionists were all socialists.
So whether it's Herzel or Hess or heim Weitzmann. These
people are also socialists. So no, there's nothing anti. There's
no because I talk about it. Well, you won't talk
about Jews, you talk about the Fabians. It's like these
all are the same allied entities that pushed the same
revolutionary philosophies, so they're not antithetically all work together. Anyway,
I already forgot what the question was.
Speaker 2: Apologies, it was the the Tory pozi.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the fake the fake left right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this has been known since. In fact, I
overlooked Spinoza. I mean I was pretty aware of Hegel
and Hegel's philosophy and influence, but actually Moses has talks
about important uh Spinosa was and a lot of that philosophy,
whether it's Spinoza or eventually Heel, it's all based on dialectics,
and thus the idea that well, if we can control
both sides of the dialectic, that's a key way to
have control. And we see that obviously with you know,
conservatives and liberals and pretty much everything since the French Revolution,
I would argue, is a you know, it's the French
revolutionary attass General Tennis Court between the left and the right,
the fake left picked right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, well, I think I think we've covered quite
a lot. I'm trying to think there's anything else to
add that we've not already covered.
Speaker 1: He does talk about again, you know, quite a bit
of the usefulness in the Ratua book, which I recommend
everybody read, of how they imported Muslims. They really saw
that as a successful operation, again planned one hundred ish
years ago or more. But also groups like Antifa actually
spring out of Fabian socialists. We think of that as something. Yeah,
many of the let me, I'll read this. The Fabian's
National Union of Students have been linked with far left
organizations like Unite Against Fascism and Antifa, Anti Fascist Action
and even the IRA connected Red Action, which advocated for
socialism through terror, increasingly together with radical Islamic student societies
with links to Islamic terror. That's RATU on page one
twenty one. So a lot of the ideas, even things
like social justice, come out of some of these Fabian
socialist ideologues.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's that is very unsurprising, you know, considering
what they have been like over the past however many years,
so it doesn't surprise met A lot of the times
when people So when I go out and do things
like freedom of information requests in the UK, is try
and uncover a lot of information from institutions or government departments.
A big question that comes up is all to do
with the protest movements on the far left, people like
stand up to racism. You know what Antiva is its
own sort of conglomerate anyway, but you know, stand up
to racism. All these guys that are being funded allegedly
by people like the Labor Party and that kind of
inner circle. So you can always see and draw like
the lines between each one. And it seems, I mean,
correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to just connect
back to this same particular society absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, this ideology, even if the society itself isn't
directly controlling everything or everybody this ideology. Again, you know,
John ner Kenes wasn't in the Fabian Society, but he's
the chosen official economist of the Fabian Society. So you know,
Bertrand Russell I think was only a member for a
very short time. But it doesn't really matter because all
of the ideology that they promote is essentially compatible. You know,
Bill Clinton third Way proponent, just like Tony Blair. That's
all the same thing as fabian socialst ideology. So I
put up a thing from an article that was posted
a while back on info Wars, and it was a
list of the dozens and dozens of just in the
US leftists, NGOs, think tanks, foundations that all network and
coordinate together to help and to promote and to indoctrinate
what are supposedly these organic leftist movements, demonstrations, revolutions, et cetera.
And of course there's countless of them. But what I
was pointing out was simply that in the US, and
the same in your country, we're not really going to
see actual change until we realize that these politician grifters
come and go right, these boobs get voted in and
voted out. But what doesn't change and doesn't go away
is the dozens and dozen hundreds of NGOs, think thanks
and foundations, and really that's going to have to be
uprooted before there's significant significant change, even above the politicians.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, especially NGO's charities. That's a massive thing. In
the UK, as an example, the Home Office that supposedly
manages our immigration system and keeps track of who's coming
in and out the country, putting through an FOI to them.
They gave me the list of charities from twenty twenty
to twenty twenty four ones that have had consultations with
the Home Office with regards to basically involved with illegal migration.
And it gave you the list of each charity in
each NGO and even law law firms as well that
were involved. And it doesn't strike me as it doesn't
strike me as weird that all of these are connected somehow, No,
not at all.
Speaker 1: In fact, my suspicion that I was just talking about
on the interview or forth Africa what. But my suspicion
is that a lot of the NGO leftist complex there's
a lot more integrated and a lot more coordinated than
we tend to expect. And also a lot of this
is funded with our tax money. So again they're socialists,
so they have no problems stealing and using the tax
money against the population because they're not actually populous. They're
anti populous. In fact, the WF I remember a couple
of years ago, during the big sigh out from twenty
twenty that we all underwent, they were putting up articles
saying that the future threat is uh evil populism right
the e the people basically is the problem. So yeah,
so they're going to steal taxpayer money utilize it for
these operations, for these NGOs and whatnot. And I suspect
they're much more coordinated. In fact, I think I was
looking at some stats the other day and it was
something like, there's in the world around one million uh inngos,
think tanks and foundations that exist to you know, push
to lobby, to do all whatever do they do, and
uh ninety ninety five percent of them are leftist. So
so all of that money is coming from these elites.
They run the money printer, they run you know, the
ir S, the you know, Federal Reserve, they run all that.
They print the money and they can just I guess,
infinitely fund this giant scam machine that they have. Speaking
of another one of these socialist minded individuals, there was,
according to to Quickly in his other book, Angle American Establishment,
the Calergy Plan, which is a real thing. I have
his book here. It's called Practical Idealism, in which he
says that the existing stock of the European nations, including
the UK, need to be destroyed and bred out just
in sight, just inside exactly. And people say it's a
conspiracy through it's in his freaking book, like I've gotten
the book. We've talked about it for years. But Quickly
even says that, and he quickly is not a conspiracy
is for those that don't know. He was Bill Clinton's mentor.
He is an apologist for this system, so he's not
a conspiracy person. He's a promoter of it. On page
two eighty four, Quickly says that there were two plans
that were adopted by the Role Society in the nineteen thirties,
one of which was Bord Lionel Curtis's Commonwealth of God
plan and accepted by the Roundtable Group. The other plan
that they heard and accepted was the Colergy plan. So
the Fabian socialist plan that we are all living under
is a combination of Curtis's Commonwealth of God, which is
basically the Rhodes Ruskin style world socialist model, and the
Colergy plan of Count Kunhav Colergy to destroy the existing
European people groups. And actually, if you read nineteen eighty four,
as Ratu discusses when he talks about Big Brother in
ingsok ingsok is the Fabian socialist.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have heard that before. I have heard that before.
That is written on behalf or like a kind of
just like a mimic of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he understood and what the driving ethos of
British intelligence and the elite power structure was. That's why
he wrote the book. And he was afraid he was
going to be killed for it too, by the way.
Speaker 2: Right, that's it. I've got the thing up here. Sorry.
It's the structured list of non governmental organizations and charities
that were formerly engaged by the Home Office in relation
to asylum accommodation policies between twenty twenty to twenty twenty four,
including the type of engagement and years of involvement. So
this is ones like Micro Rainbow, the nac COM, British
Red Cross, Refugee Action, Asylum Matters, Scottish Refugee Council, which
is a very historic one, ASAP, Asylum Support, Appeals, Freedom Culture,
all of these guys, Migrant Help. I mean, the list
goes on and on, but it seems to me that
there is a kind of you can draw the line,
as we were saying, you can draw the line between
them and where either funding and coordination comes from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the whole purpose of multiculturalism. In fact,
Ratia's book goes on in the later chapters to discuss
the connection between multicult Islamicization and the destruction of Europe
by design. And this is the thing is like, oh,
it's the incompetent politician. They're not incompetent. Well, many of
the politicians are incompetent by the people in this structure
running these indios think thanks foundations, et cetera. They're not incompetent.
They know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I was going to actually ask you that question as
a final question. People. A lot of the time people
say incompetency or a gender based. I believe it's a
bit of both, but it's mostly a gender base because
you don't get these wets that just come through politics.
They have this false equivalence of how do I explain it?
They they're almost it's like groomed. It reminds me of
the Young Global Leader scheme. You know, it's almost like
a corporate grooming systems years ago to do some reporting
on the ground and to you know, doorstep a few people,
which was really fun. When we're out there, and you know,
looking around, you had all these shots. You had Palenteer,
like all these stand up shops that they would erect
just before Davos, like the world you can get together
and talk, and they would really just promote, promote, promote,
meta you know, Palenteer Like, I've just mentioned all of
these big sort of organizations that are in bed or
coordinate with these United Nations world And the only thing
I can think is is corporate grooming. That's the only
way to really try to what should I say? It's
the only really way to try and describe it. So
what would I guess? The quest I should going back,
what do you actually believe that is? Do you believe
that it's more a gender base than incompetency or is
there an overlap? Like what's your take on that.
Speaker 1: There's a layer of idiots and ideologues and it quickly
mentions them in both of his books they're called the helpers,
and the helpers don't know the big plan. They're just
idea logues recruited out of college. Corporate grooming like you're
talking about there, but at the top people are running
the international banking groups, the hedge funds, et cetera. Many
of these people do know what's going on. For example,
right to you at the end of the book has
several sort of structured appendices that he explains that he
thinks explain this very well. So, for example, here you
have one that is it's hard to get the can't
forget what I'm doing here. So you've got banking structure
up there at the top, and then you've got Fabian
Society funded by them, and then you've got these other
lower level institutions and on the ground sort of student stuff.
So in that sense, no, it's definitely ideological, and in fact,
the latter part of the book works through a bunch
of the United Nations programs that are intent on implementing
these ideas and these principles, which clearly are not therewith
forethought they are planned. Here's another structure that he gives
of banking in industry, Rockefeller, Rothschild, underneath them things like
black rock esg all that kind of stuff, and then
lobbying and philanthropy and then the think tanks, etc. So
these kinds of lists, I think help sort of explain
kind of the overall structure of this system and how
it works. So I think all of these things are
at the top at least definitely self aware and colluding
by design. Again, I mean, there's so many books and
so many admissions that it's hard to believe that there's
not a lot of design and plan. However, not everybody knows, right,
You've got a lot of people, you know, taking the
US for example. You know, I've met a lot of people,
interview a lot of people, talk to high power people.
I think very few know this full game plan. And
I'm not trying to brag or to my own horn,
but why is that? Well, very few people are going
to sit and read this, right, Who's going to read
Tragic and Hope?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Not many people. How many people are going to read
there's a big new Brazenski's books, Kissing Your Stuff, rocket Foot,
Not very many. So I think that you actually have
to kind of get to the level of someone like
a Brazenski or a Kissinger to find the people that
know and discuss the whole game plan. If you're talking
to some twenty five year old college goober that's recruited
into you know, Davos or something, he doesn't know all
those no, of.
Speaker 2: Course not And same with the general public as well well.
I feel bad for the person that wanted to know
about the Fabian society clicked on this video and then
was inundated with so much information.
Speaker 1: That's Look, this is the best book so far. I
highly recommend this one. And this one's more up to
date than you know. Tragiy Hope was in nineteen sixty six,
angl American Stylish in nineteen eighty one. Fabian Freeway is
much older. But this one is up to date. It's
only a few years old, and I think he has
the full picture, even to the point of, you know,
critiquing even some of these major terror events and how
they play into this and how they're used by the
establishment for this overall agenda. I think he's held it
in a way that most people have it.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time, Jay, It's been
an absolute pleasure. Where can people find you? If you'd
like to give us a brief outro on where is
it people can find you?
Speaker 1: Sure, and yeah, you can find me on all the
social media outlets under my name. You can find me
on YouTube of course, it's kind of my main area
and also most Fridays, sometimes it varies during the week
hosting the Alex Jones Show or the fourth hour of
the Lex Jown Show throughout the week. And yeah, writing
for the Sam hi To Show, and we just had
a new episode go up in regard to the recent
events on Sam's channel.
Speaker 2: It's very very powerful. Thank you very much. And if
you are a Catholic or a Protestant and you would
like to debate Jay, he.
Speaker 1: Does this open forums. You're always welcome to call in
and debate, absolutely exactly. Just bring arguments. That's the only qualification.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the stipulation. Jayde thank you so much for
your time.
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate it. Lewis, thank you.