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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Bill Benton, Jason Massik here from the All

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Eighties Movies Podcast. When we're cruising into Ming's Palace on

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our Hawkman rocket cycles, we turned down the Queen and

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turn up the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast. Long

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live Jason and d They'll save every one of us.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley you Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here for another special episode.

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This one is a little different. We kind of approached

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this as a what the heck happened, but we decided

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to take it in a different way. We're dealing with

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a couple of movies today. The question is is it

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worth the rewatch? So we're not gonna boldly go where

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no man has on before. We're deciding whether to go

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back where we've already been and see if it's a

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better experience the second time around.

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Speaker 3: So we're comparing Star Trek Demotion picture from nineteen seventy nine,

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which is reaching its forty fifth anniversary this year, against

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Star Wars The Phantom Menace which came out ninety nine,

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which is reaching its twenty fifth anniversary this year.

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Speaker 4: Hard to believe, And.

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Speaker 3: We're going to compare these two, we're gonna ask the

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question are they rewatchable? We're also going to say, you know,

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what works, what doesn't, how do we change it?

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Speaker 4: How would we improve it?

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Speaker 3: And so today we've also invited a couple of friends

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to come on and talk about Star Trek demotion picture.

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We've got our old stand by Jeff Johnson of the

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filmed By podcast and the Star Trek podcast Phasers Set

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for Stunt.

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Speaker 4: Jeff, how you doing man? Jason?

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Speaker 5: I am doing great, And like Kirk, my orders are

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to intercept, investigate, and take whatever action is necessary or possible.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 3: Nice, Hey, before we introduce Chuck, tell us a little

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bit about Phaser Set for Stun.

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Speaker 5: So a couple of years ago on the film By podcast,

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we started doing some recaps and a couple of the

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guys are huge Star Trek fans, and we recap couple

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shows and it got wildly popular, so much that we

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just we realized, like, hey, we can't just recap Star

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Trek shows.

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Speaker 4: We got to have a Star Trek pod going.

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Speaker 5: So Phaser's Set to stun has been up and going

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for the past year now, and every Wednesday, you know,

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film buy us Every Tuesday, Phaser set to stun. Every

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Wednesday you can hear Wayne Whited, David Burns, and Scott

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Hoffman talk all things.

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Speaker 3: Trek, and we've got mister Chuck Bryan who has come

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on to bring expertise on Star Trek the Motion Picture.

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Speaker 4: Chuck, how you doing man?

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Speaker 6: Hey guys, I am doing well, and I would like

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to make it plain that my oath of celibacy is

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on record. But thank thanks for having me on, Jason

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and d and nice to meet you, Jeff.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Chuck, it's a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: So so. Chuck has been a fan for a little while,

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and after our Beverly Hills Cop three episode, he sent

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us an email entitled the Motion Picture versus the Phantom Menace. Bye.

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By the way, the mere fact that this is Star

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Wars and Star Trek causes me to stumble over my

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words enough, but the fact that the abbreviations for the

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two movies are TMP and TPM makes it even harder.

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But Check sends me this email about these two contenders,

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if you will, and his opening line is, oh, you

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guys are going to step on my toes with this one.

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Speaker 4: He tells it.

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Speaker 2: He goes on to say that we're not wrong about

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the Phantom Menace, but he is a strong advocate not

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just for Star Trek the Motion Picture, but specifically the

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new cut that was done in twenty twenty two as.

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Speaker 5: Rust as a head necessary take us out.

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Speaker 6: Star Trek the Motion Picture for me, has been one

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of those films that kind of the older I get

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and the more I watch it, the more it begins

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to mean a little something different for me. On Facebook,

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there is a group called the Star Trek the Motion

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Picture Appreciation Society. It's a private group and if you

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ever sign up for it, you're gonna get to meet

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a lot of the people who actually worked on the

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films and on the twenty two remastering, David Fine, Mike Mathesino,

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Jin because I'm saying her name's totally wrong, but these

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are all guys who had worked with Bob Wise in

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two thousand and one when he had the opportunity to

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go back and finally complete his vision of what Star

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Trek the Motion Picture was supposed to be. And so

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the twenty two version came out a couple of summers ago.

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the film was to actually get it back on film stock.

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A negative that could be printed and could be projected.

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only and could not be upscaled, And so Star Trek

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Demotion Picture got yet another release, and it was glorious

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to see it once again in the movie theaters.

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Speaker 2: One of the key features as you're watching the new movie,

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available streaming on Max right now for everybody listening, is

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there are lines that are kind of the key point

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of the whole idea behind the whole movie that got

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cut from the original theatrical release. And so if you

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watch that original theatrical release and you were bored or

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you said, well, I don't really understand what the point

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of all of that was. The good news is that

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people who were asking the same questions, who were in

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the know, took this film and made it what it

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was supposed to be. And you can see that now.

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worth the rewatch, which we'll address at the end of

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our show.

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Speaker 7: This simple feeling is beyond features comprehension.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, I've got a story to tell you. I

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dare to say movie worthy on its own if you

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will indulge me for just a second before we get

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into star trek, can I talk to you about a constellation?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, please do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if Chuck knows this story, I won't be surprised. Jason,

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if you and Jeff know this story, you will I

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will bow at your feet. Okay, eat my shoes? Yes, okay.

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So are you guys familiar with the Lockheed l DASH

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zero four nine constellation? Okay? The thing is, it is

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not a group of stars. It is a plane. And

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in nineteen forty seven June, to be exact, that plane

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took off. The captain of the plane was named Captain Short.

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There was a first officer named McCoy. There was a

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third officer named Wesley. Not making this up, This is

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all true story. And they left at about three point

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thirty from Karachi on the first leg of a trip

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back to New York City. The third officer was just

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there as a deadhead. But then about five hours into

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the trip, Captain Short was a little tired. Third officer

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comes up and gives him relief by taking the yoke

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for a little while. And while he's flying the plane,

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engine number one goes out, so of course, Captain Short

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comes back up. He takes the yoke back again. He decides,

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we're going, and so he makes the decision to keep

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on going. This was the wrong decision because what happens

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is those other engines were using so much power that

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they overheated, they caught on fire, and one of the

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engines fell off, which means the plane was no longer airworthy.

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and it was just a matter of when the third

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officer leaves the cockpit, goes back and assures the passengers

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that everything is under control. He orders the flight attendants

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to get in their seats and say seated. He goes

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to the back plane. He takes his seat. As he's

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sitting there, a woman starts screaming because she's so scared,

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and so he gets up and he goes to comfort

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her just before the plane crashes. So as the plane

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hits the ground, he is not buckled in. He breaks

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three of his ribs. The plane is torn in two

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seven of the crew are killed, eight of the passengers

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are killed, and they're in the middle of the day.

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Since both the captain and McCoy are both dead, he

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begins rescue efforts to get all of the surviving passengers

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off the plane. The plane is on fire, he makes

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the decision, I'm going to get one last person and

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takes them off as the plane is engulfed in flames.

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dying because it was such a treacherous situation. Now they're

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in a plane that's in the middle of the desert,

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in the middle of the nights. Three in the morning,

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he's taking control and trying to do everything he can.

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He begins looking around, and then nomads in the desert come.

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people instead of robbing the living. By the time the

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sun comes up, he has to make a journey to

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try to see if he can see any signs of life.

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another group of rotters comes by and actually robs the living,

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but they don't kill anybody. He sends two groups out

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to follow the telegraph lines in either direction. One of

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those groups sees that it's connected to the city. He

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makes his way to the city, calls in the plane crash,

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and eventually everyone is rescued. After this, six months later,

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he's absolved of any wrongdoing and is credited as a

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hero for this crash and how he treated it. But

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he decides, based on this and some other issues he's

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had with flying in the past, including his time in

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World War Two, I don't want to fly anymore. And

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he decides, I'm going to do what my dad did,

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and so he joins the LAPD. I said his name

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was Officer Wesley. It was Officer Eugene Wesley Roddenberry, whose dad,

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Officer Roddenberry, was a member of the LAPD. So this

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hero is now a traffic cop. But he's a good writer,

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and so he becomes a speech writer for the Chief

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of police. That leads him to participating in a new

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TV S series based on real life is dramas called Dragnets,

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which leads him to write episodes for that series, which

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leads him to create series that we now know as

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Star Trek.

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Speaker 4: Brilliant.

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Speaker 2: That was unbelievable that I'm putting microphone down and I'm

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me for that crazy but.

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Speaker 4: That is awesome.

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Speaker 4: I was like, what, how is this? Where are we going?

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Speaker 5: That was fantastic, and yeah, you're right, I'm ready to

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watch this movie now.

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Speaker 4: Fascinating. Yeah, fascinating, Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: I kind of wonder though, you know, you think about

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everything that that Roddenberry went through. He obviously he has

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a definite philosophy of life. He has a philosophy for

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how he wants to see the few sure, and it's

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a future where we as a human race have gotten

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past the things that are holding us down now, the

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way in which we go to war with each other

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and all, and it sets up this bigger, brighter future.

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Speaker 2: Right there, I heard him talking. He was talking about

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why he decided to develop a sci fi program. He said,

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He said, you know, I'm not trying to compare myself

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to Jonathan Swift, But Jonathan Swift had things to say

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about London, and so he decided to write Gulliver's Travels.

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He goes, I have things to say about a lot

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of things, Vietnam War, for example. It seemed to me

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that space travel was an opportunity to be able to

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say what I wanted to say in a television format. Beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So before we start, do you remember when

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Speaker 4: The spock Every minute brings that object closer to Earth.

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Speaker 2: I meet you.

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Speaker 7: I am convinced we are inside a living machine. Shall

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I go to battle space and sent insatiable, curiosity, spuck.

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Speaker 8: You haven't changed a bit. You're just as warm and

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sociable as ever. I hope we got this one off

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was I mean, I I'd seen all of

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that I saw. You know, I was born in seventy five,

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possible that I saw it and I have no memory

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of it. I did, but my first time that I

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remember watching it, I was like, I should go back

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and watch that original and I was a teenager and

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Speaker 4: Right right.

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Speaker 3: What about you, Chuck, When was the first time you

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saw this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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that I saw it in. And I can tell you

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that a few years later, as when I was in college,

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wedding anniversaries and stuff like that, but I can tell

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you when a movie was released, and I relate everything

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kind of back to that. So yeah, I definitely remember

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seeing it for the first time.

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Speaker 4: All right, Jeff, what about you?

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Speaker 5: My story would probably echo D's. I remember a friend

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in my youth, A friend was using Wrath of Khan

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to show me that star Trek could be as.

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Speaker 4: Entertaining as Star Wars.

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Speaker 5: Loved Wratha Khan was ready to for more, and I

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wasn't old enough to respect the canon at that time,

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so I felt really bored with the motion picture.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I saw it in the theater just like Chuck,

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except I'm a few years younger. I was born in

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nineteen seventy three, so I'm six, and I remember my

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uncle was like, you know, hey, we're gonna go see

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this movie. I'm like, great, what are we seeing. It's

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Star Trek. I'm like, what is that. He's like, well,

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it's kind of like Star Wars. So when I went

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to the theater, I'm expecting laser battles and lightsabers, and

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and thinking. So I was bored initially too. Now that

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movie was not made for a six year old, you know,

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it was made for a forty five or fifty year old.

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has changed a little bit. But at the time, I

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was like, this is not Star Wars. Okay, So let's

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talk a little bit about the history, not so much

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of Star Trek, but of Star Trek the Motion Picture.

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Speaker 8: Buck, you haven't changed a bit. You're just as warm

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and sociable as ever.

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Speaker 7: No have you, Doctor, as your continued bred election for

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irrelevancy demonstrates.

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Speaker 3: As early as nineteen sixty eight, Geene Roddenberry addresses a

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crowd in Oakland at a convention and says, hey, guys,

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I think we're gonna do a motion picture of Star Trek.

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the movies. Well, in nineteen sixty nine they cancel the series, right,

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and so at that point everything's kind of dead. But

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as early as nineteen seventy five, Paramount comes to him

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they start to kind of dream up the idea of

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a Star Trek movie, and so he begins to work

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on it. Well, as we all know, in nineteen seventy seven,

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Star Wars completely changes the game. So Paramount ramps up

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their efforts at that point and says, what sci fi

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action franchise do we have in our closet that we

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can ramp up to be with Star Wars? And actually

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I found it interesting. Close Encounters was a kind of

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catalyst for Star Trek the Motion Picture, because people viewed

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Star Wars as a fluke, and Close Encounters proved that

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it wasn't a fluke and that science fiction could be

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a viable money maker. And so at that point they

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go back to Gene Rodenberry and that's when we start

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in Earnest or Star Trek the motion picture.

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Speaker 4: That's a great point.

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Speaker 5: You got to remember sci fi had a good life

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two thousand, you know, Kubrick's two thousand and one, and

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seventy six.

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Speaker 4: It's bankable.

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Speaker 5: So it's a great time to bring this this franchise back.

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What I find fascinating is that after several failed attempts

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with the scripts and directors, they said, you know what,

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let's just do TV and Star Trek Phase two was

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supposed to happen, and then that got canceled. You know,

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in pre production they're like, no, let's we got to

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have the movie. Let's let's go let's go big.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the interesting thing about Star Trek Phase two, as

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but that's where the Decker and Ailiah character kind of

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are born.

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Speaker 4: Is Star Trek Phase two.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you have you have the Decker and Alia characters.

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same kind of relationship. But they were also missing one

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particular character who they weren't going to get back. They

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had no mister Spock. Leonard Nimoy was not going to

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sign up for another series. Not only that, he was

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a little bit, I don't know, angry about the way

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the merchandising agreements had worked. So after Star Trek went

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off the air, the residuals that he and the other

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actors were getting basically after a year, they were done,

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but Paramount was still making a lot of money selling

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the likeness of their faces, their images, you know, just

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in the characters of Spock and Kirk. And he was

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a little more than upset about that, and that was

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between the series, and it kind of felt he was

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taking advantage of a little bit he wasn't too keen

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to jump back on. So they had to get another

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science officer on board, and they came up with the

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character of Zoon, and Zon was a fully vulcan science

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officer who was maybe twenty ish or so. Ended up

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being cast by by rodden Berry and Company by an

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actor named David Gutreaux, I believe is how you pronounce

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his name, and David. He walks into Gene Rodden's office

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and he says, congratulations, David, you are our zone. And

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at the time, this is in one of those times

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when is it going to be a TV show? Is

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it going to be a movie, But at this point

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it was looking more like it was going to be

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a motion picture at that point, and I believe that

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may have been around August of seventy seven. At that point,

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who went on to be mister Disney, he was actually

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head a Paramount at that time. And this was around

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the time when they said, what do we have in

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our arsenal of shows that we could make? And they

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looked at Star Trek and they were beginning to think

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of that more as a motion picture at that point.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk a little bit about Leonard Nimoy, because

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Paramount got down on their hands and knees and begged

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him to come back.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 3: Somebody's daughter said, you can't have Star Trek without Spock.

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Speaker 2: I saw him. I saw Leonard Nimoy talking about it specifically,

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and that was what he said. He said, if I

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was watching the movie, I wouldn't want to watch it

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without Spock, and I wouldn't want anyone else to play Spock.

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what other choice do you have in that situation? Right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Once they brought Robert Wise on, he was told

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by his wife, by his family, they said, you cannot

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have Star Trek without mister Spock. They were able to

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get the licensing resolve to everybody's satisfaction.

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Speaker 4: And then they wrote a check to Leonard Neimoy.

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Speaker 6: They wrote a check.

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Speaker 2: I feel like William Shatner was maybe less difficult to

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convince from what I understand, talking about how badly their

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contracts were with the TV show. After the cancelation of

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the TV show, within a year, Shatner was homeless, like

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he lost his house. He was and actually was living

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in a truck, and by nineteen seventy he was living

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in a truck. Wow. He watched the launch of one

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of the space programs. I don't remember what it was,

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but he was just saying to himself, It's just so

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crazy that a year ago I was in space and

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now I'm in a truck watching this space stuff happen,

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and he didn't I mean he didn't do He did

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just a handful of movies and TV spots in between

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the Star Trek series and this one, including one of

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Jason's favorite horror.

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Speaker 4: Movies, Kingdom of the Spiders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to go back and look at

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our best horror movies of the seventies, Jason pulled out

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Kingdom of the Spiders. He had done some work with

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Roger Korman, who's not you know who's fantastic. God rest

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his sole he just passed, but also not known for

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high paying his actors either, so he was in a

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tough spot for that ten years.

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Speaker 3: Wow, let's talk about Robert Wise for a second. Listen

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to the list of films that Robert Wise directed before

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Star Trek, The Motion Picture Okay, The Davier Stood Still,

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The Haunting West Side Story, The Sound of Music, The

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Sound of Music, The News Yes, and then he also

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directed kind of I think, an underappreciated seventies sci fi

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movie called The Andromeda Strain, which was by Michael Crichton.

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Speaker 2: When I was looking at the IMDb on this that

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one popped up, and the trailer, the preview for it

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popped up and I was like, oh, dang, this looks

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like a great story. Like suddenly, like a whole town

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of people just drop dead in the middle of whatever

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they're doing that day, and it all kind of seems

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to get traced back to some sort of organism that

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has come from the space rocks that they brought back.

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Speaker 3: I saw somebody say that the Andromeda Strain and Star

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Trek the motion picture are very similar because you spend

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two and a half hours for people to go in

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look at something accurate. But they land Robert Wise, the

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guy who directed Sound of Music and The Day There

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Stood Still and West Side Story. He's old Hollywood. He's

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not familiar with Star Trek, or at least not super

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familiar with Star Trek, but he ends up kind of

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being the anchor on this movie. He's the guy that

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kind of holds everything together. He's also one of the

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reasons why they were behind schedule because he wouldn't shoot

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over twelve hours per day. He was like, Nope, not

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going to do it, not gonna work that hard. Chuck

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what he got for us on Robert Wise.

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Speaker 6: One of my favorite Robert Wise movies. And if you've

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never seen this one, go back and watch it. It's

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Run Silent, Run Deep. It's a little bit older World

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War two submarine movie. Excellent film. But before he was

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a director, he was an editor. And one of the

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things that I was listening to David Fine, who is

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the producer of the Director's Edition, listen to him when

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he was talking about how when Robert Wise was editing

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the de back in two thousand and one, he said

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he would you'd see him kind of conducting with his

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hands the beats of what was going on, and then

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he knew right where to cut a film, and he

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had incredible instinct about pacing and what it was that

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made a good setup and a good scene.

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Speaker 3: Okay, before we get into we're gonna talk about what works,

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what doesn't work, what will we change, Let's just talk

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briefly about what this movie is about. So, Jeff, you

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want to give us breakdown on what the plot is

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of this movie.

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Speaker 5: Jason, and my most IMDb styled answer, I would I

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would say it's when an alien spacecraft of enormous power

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is spotted approaching Earth, Admiral James T. Kirk resumes command

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of the overhauled USS Enterprise in order to intercept it.

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Speaker 8: Spock. This child is about to wipe out every living

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thing on Earth. Now, what do you suggest we do, Spanky.

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Speaker 2: The massive spacecraft, whatever it might be, is also destroying

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things as they come into its path, including including a

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Klingon vessel, which we see at the very beginning of

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the movie. And this is the first time that we

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see Klingons with their trademark head bunk whatever that stuff

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is called. And I was listening to it was one

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of those nineteen seventies Trekky conventions. And what's the actor

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that plays Scotty, what's his name is Mouhan. So he's

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talking to the crowd and he's mentioning He's like, they've

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got these things on their head that look like warts,

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which they've never had before. But what I attribute to

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Scotty sending them a herd of troubles nice only dorky

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trekky people.

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00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 7: Job.

476
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,799
Speaker 4: Yes, that's right, all right? What do we think works

477
00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:41,640
with this movie?

478
00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:41,839
Speaker 6: So?

479
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,039
Speaker 2: I think that the I think the storyline on this

480
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,680
is very strong. Like, as I am watching this for

481
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,880
the second time, I'm thinking to myself, this is actually

482
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,000
a compelling thing, Like you've got this ominous death cloud

483
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,559
moving at amazing speed toward the planet. What are you

484
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,119
going to do? And the answer is, we're going to

485
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,519
go meet it before it gets here, and we're going

486
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:06,200
to try to figure out what it is and how

487
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,640
to stop it. That's a great That is a great

488
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,559
storyline if it sounds really exciting, and so if it was,

489
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,759
you know, handled in a different way, there might have

490
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,920
been more exciting features to it. But the other part

491
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,759
that I think that works for this is they take

492
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:27,079
time to appreciate the special effects in this movie. I

493
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,680
feel like, especially in twenty first century movies, we have

494
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:34,440
so many special effects that are absolutely crammed down our

495
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:38,680
throats in every scene of big action movies that you

496
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,160
don't have time to even notice most of it, let

497
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,440
alone like soak it in and kind of go, oh,

498
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:47,759
you know, they did a good job with this this one.

499
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:50,400
This movie might take it a little bit to the extreme,

500
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,119
but I actually was. I was pleased to have them go, Okay,

501
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,480
let's watch the spacecraft move through space. Let's see how

502
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,799
friggin' big the enterprise really is. I mean, I don't

503
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,880
think that's something that people really truly appreciated from the

504
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,480
television series. But he addresses the crew before they get

505
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,240
started and you're like, oh, dang, this is a huge

506
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:13,759
this is a huge group of people. There's a whole

507
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,559
army of people that are involved with running this ship.

508
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:19,440
And then you get this outside shot to go, oh, wow,

509
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:22,359
this thing is gigantic, which of course it would have

510
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,240
to be. You'd have to have a giant ship just

511
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,359
to be able to sustain life for that travel through space.

512
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,279
So those are the things that I think worked. And

513
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,200
then I just I mean, I love that they got

514
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,920
the original cast members back and that they were all

515
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,200
I mean, they weren't as characters where they were when

516
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,039
we left them, but they were still James T. Kirk,

517
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,720
mister Spock, and McCoy. I love it all.

518
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:46,599
Speaker 4: Right, Jack, what works for you in this one?

519
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,799
Speaker 6: Well, I'm going to start where Dee left off, and

520
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,839
that's with getting the characters back in all the original actors.

521
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: That was.

522
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 6: I mean, if they could not have, if they didn't

523
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,640
get Leonard nimoy, would it just would not have been

524
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,839
the same movie. But I think what I really like

525
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,240
how they introduced, how they brought everyone in one by one.

526
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,759
He's introduced with Spock and he's he's going through the

527
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:19,400
final stages of the coolinar ritual, and then it introduces Kirk,

528
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,559
and Kirk is now going back to the Enterprise and

529
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:27,000
he's he. The next character that they introduced is the Enterprise,

530
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,039
because the Enterprise is a character of the show. And

531
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:35,759
then they bring back McCoy, you know, and McCoy honestly

532
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:37,920
does not need to be in this movie, but Kirk

533
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,039
needs him. Kirk needs him to be Kirk.

534
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:43,559
Speaker 7: Mc bones, I need you.

535
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:45,839
Speaker 2: Badly.

536
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,799
Speaker 6: And then finally, once they're on their way, the Enterprise

537
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,599
isn't working because it's still missing spot. And then once

538
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,720
Spock comes on board, the Enterprise is happy at that

539
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:59,000
point and everything begins to work and they're able to

540
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:03,319
go on their mission. So I thought the characters all worked.

541
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,039
I think the other thing that really worked is Jerry

542
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,319
Goldsmith's score. I can't begin to tell you the number

543
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:13,039
of times I have bought this score. It was the

544
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,039
first LP album that I had ever owned in my life,

545
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,400
and I still have it, and I have it on

546
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:24,000
various CDs and other digital platforms for it, and it's

547
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,200
just an amazing score. I don't know if you notice.

548
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,119
They call it the blaster Beam. So every time they

549
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,480
would show Vjure you'd hear this. Wow, that's an instrument

550
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:39,240
that they created for this particular recording, and I think

551
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,640
it gives that whole gravitas towards to the voice of

552
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,680
VDRE and it's just really good. And of course the

553
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,799
effects are amazing. And since you guys did watch it

554
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:55,799
on Max, could you tell whenever they were using the

555
00:28:55,839 --> 00:29:02,200
Digital Enterprise versus the Model Enterprise? Because there were, But

556
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720
like I mean, you ever like today you watch movies

557
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,799
and you kind of go, okay, I know, I'm kind

558
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:11,319
of looking at CGI. When they did this, their use

559
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,319
of it was so subtle, and a lot of times

560
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,599
it was there to fix problems that may have been

561
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:21,599
in the original negative or maybe in the compositions. But

562
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,599
there's different areas, especially later on when you were saying,

563
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,519
d how big the enterprise is, right, and they set

564
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,640
so much time up at the beginning about how big

565
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,160
the enterprise is, and then you see how much bigger

566
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:39,880
VGRE is, like Vger engulfs it to where the enterprise

567
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,200
is just this little speck, and that sense of scale

568
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,559
was just I just it blew me away.

569
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,079
Speaker 4: Jeff, what about you, Ben Well?

570
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,559
Speaker 5: I think Chuck and de have done a lot of

571
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,400
the heavy lifting there for me, because I'll i'll have

572
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,279
to talk about, obviously the story Harold Livingston, who was

573
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:58,400
a fame TV writer. It blows my mind that this

574
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,319
guy mostly known for Six Million Dollar Man and Mission Impossible,

575
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,400
he wrote Star Trek the motion picture. What a way

576
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,400
to make your mark. I think it does a great

577
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,880
job of giving the movie a lot of tension. It

578
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,599
almost gives it in the same way like a movie

579
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,359
like Wargames does, where you're up against something that you

580
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,119
cannot possibly defeat, so our protagonists have to rely on

581
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,200
their wits if they're going to save the day. And

582
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,039
that's one thing maybe my youth I didn't really appreciate,

583
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,599
But as an adult, the story here is just it's

584
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,039
one of the most intelligent Star Trek stories I think

585
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:31,119
has been out there.

586
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 4: As far as the visual effects night and day. When

587
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,440
we're talking about the.

588
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 5: Director's cut and it's gorgeous, you know, can't you can't

589
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,319
talk about these effects without talking about Douglas Trumbull. I

590
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:43,519
always think about the scene where Scotty and Kirk are

591
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:47,240
taxiing over to the Enterprise and it's just this long

592
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,880
drawn out moment where there's no dialogue and that's that's

593
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,200
something that Trumbull took straight from Kubrick and was like,

594
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:55,000
let's just get in the enterprise. Let's admire the enterprise

595
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:56,960
and see it for all it's grandeur. You know the

596
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,559
idea that this is. You know, Trumble's the first pick.

597
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,039
Obviously he turns him down because he wants to be

598
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:04,920
a director and he's committed to close encounters of the

599
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,039
third kind. And they had so much they had so

600
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,559
many problems with the visual effects team that they were

601
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:11,599
working on that they I think they spent like five

602
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,880
million dollars and went nowhere with what they had maybe

603
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,799
like one shot.

604
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,559
Speaker 4: Zero working shots. Yeah, yeah, zero working shots.

605
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, first of all. And it was Robert Abele and associates.

606
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,480
Go and look at the commercials that they did in

607
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:26,759
the seventies. They used a lot of that same slit

608
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,640
scan techniques that Trumbull did with the Stargate in two

609
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,319
thousand and one. It's just really really slick commercials, very

610
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,160
very famous. But yeah, they got they spent like I

611
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,160
thought the number was more like a million, but I mean,

612
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,799
what's a million or five million when your total budget

613
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:47,160
is forty And they had been working on it for

614
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,839
a year they had finished principal photography, like in January

615
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,880
seventy nine, Bob Wise goes and says, okay, I want

616
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720
to see what you got, you know, show me something,

617
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,519
and they showed him maybe thirty seconds of some of

618
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,319
the work that they were doing on the probe scene

619
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,720
when it was on the bridge, and that was it.

620
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,079
Bob left that particular meeting. He said, I never want

621
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:11,720
to see that guy again. He's out of here. And

622
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:16,079
luckily at that point Trumbull was free, and Trumbull brought

623
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:19,559
in another person, John Dykstra, who worked on a little

624
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:23,519
show called Battlestar Galactica, but before that he cut his

625
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:30,839
teeth on this other movie, Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah, he

626
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,079
was the guy who did the dystra for all those

627
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,599
motion control cameras and everything.

628
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: So he also did the motion control for the Gopher

629
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:40,079
on caddy Shack.

630
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: There.

631
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: Check out the Caddyshack episode.

632
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,839
Speaker 6: But they had more visual effect shots than Star Wars

633
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,599
and Close Encounters combined.

634
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: That's hard to believe. Okay, that's amazing.

635
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 6: Well, well, also remember this is January February of seventy nine.

636
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,359
This picture has to release on December seventh, deadline. Yeah,

637
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,200
that was a big deal, right, Yeah, they had contracts

638
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,680
with theaters. They were going to clear the slate for

639
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,279
December so that they could get this movie in And

640
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:12,680
this is going to be the next blockbuster, right, And

641
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:16,720
so there's like a thirty five million dollar guarantee the

642
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:19,559
film studio is going to get from the distribution of

643
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,920
this film. However, if they don't make it, it's not

644
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,799
only that thirty five million, but they got to pay

645
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:27,440
thirty five million out, so they stand to lose quite

646
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,319
a bit of money in penalties and lawsuits and other

647
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,640
such things.

648
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: I heard Michael Eisner actually said if we have to

649
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,000
release it with the black thing, that says effect here

650
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,359
we're releasing.

651
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 6: They got the teams to work three eight hour shifts

652
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,720
to get it going.

653
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: Jeff, you're talking about the writing on this one, I mean,

654
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,519
which is fantastic and I've already put it on my

655
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:51,519
good list as far as things that are of high

656
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,400
quality about this movie. But I was just thinking about,

657
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:59,079
you know, the characters. You start with Spock on his

658
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,200
home planet with long hair, going through this ceremony to

659
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,359
rid himself of the what's left of his humanity. You

660
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,199
start with Kirk and he has lost the Enterprise and

661
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,559
now is trying to take it back basically by force.

662
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,280
And you're like, wow, okay, these you know, we're starting

663
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,960
with adventure at the beginning, and then with McCoy, he's

664
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:27,199
like involuntarily, you know, brought into the shanghaied, he was drafted.

665
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,800
I mean, he shows up like he just came out

666
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,480
of the Star Trek disco with his full beard. And

667
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,719
so finally with McCoy, we understand why he's angry all

668
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,599
the time, you know, like I didn't understand in the series.

669
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,639
Now I know he never wanted to be here in

670
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,199
the first place. That's why McCoy is always angry.

671
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,119
Speaker 3: McCoy looks like he's been living in Thailand. He's smoking potties,

672
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,480
hanging out with ladies on the street all the time.

673
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 6: But you've got this, McCoy had become a veterinarian after

674
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,920
he left Starfleet, so he didn't want to operate on

675
00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,639
people anymore. Now that wasn't the original stories.

676
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,159
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, Well, that was what I was going to say.

677
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,679
You've got a fantastic first act, You've got a fantastic

678
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,639
plot point. But you chuck. You said the script was

679
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:13,199
actually missing the third act, like they didn't know what

680
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,239
they were going to do with it.

681
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 6: That was and that was that was. That was one

682
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,960
of the big problems even with Bob Wise, you know,

683
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Bob Is used to like, hey, we've got everything laid out,

684
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,400
we know what we're doing, and they didn't have the

685
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,480
third act for it, and they had brought in everybody

686
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,599
to try to pitch ideas. They even got to William

687
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:36,079
Shatner and Leonard Nimoy pitching some of their ideas. And

688
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,239
it was one of the producers are he worked with

689
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,920
Roddenberry John Povel, who came up with this idea that

690
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,159
Veegre has grown as much as he's going to be

691
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:52,199
able to grow, and he must evolve to the next level.

692
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:56,000
And then that's where the concept of joining with the

693
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,199
Creator came into being.

694
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,639
Speaker 7: What Veja needs in order to evolve is a human quality,

695
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,039
our capacity to leap beyond logic.

696
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,519
Speaker 6: And so that's how that whole ending came about.

697
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: Jason works for you man, Well, okay, so I just

698
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,599
kind of what you guys have already said. Number one,

699
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:17,639
I give this movie a lot of credit for getting

700
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,840
the gang back together, right. This gave us the rest

701
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,599
of the Star Trek movies and TV series that we

702
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,119
have basically because it got us kicked off with Kirk's

703
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:31,199
bach McCoy, you know, Scotty. It introduced me to Star Trek,

704
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,079
So thank you for that. I think the special effects

705
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:37,760
and score are amazing. The sense of wonder and discovery

706
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,000
with this movie, I think are very strong. I think

707
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:43,320
the director did a great job. I think the fact

708
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,360
that Veigre spoilers Beijer is Voyager.

709
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:49,599
Speaker 4: Six sent from Earth.

710
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: Like when I first realized what that was, I was like, oh,

711
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,679
this is so cool. Right, this is our own creation

712
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,400
that is seeking us out to talk to the creator.

713
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: Right.

714
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,679
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about what doesn't work.

715
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: Well, balls, do the.

716
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 4: New medical facilities meet with your approval?

717
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 7: They do not.

718
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 6: It's like working in a damn computer center.

719
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:11,039
Speaker 4: D you're up?

720
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,639
Speaker 2: Okay? So I noticed something you got, you know, text

721
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:16,719
thread that we had when we started, you know, when

722
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,039
we decided we're going to do this. I love the

723
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,360
text threads because it's like, oh, hey, did you guys

724
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,639
hear about this? Oh hey, check this thing out. And

725
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,400
so in one of them, somebody sent the poster because

726
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,239
the poster is by the same artist who did the

727
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,880
poster for Apocalypse.

728
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,199
Speaker 6: Now, I think it's Bob peak.

729
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: So in that poster, I noticed it because just because

730
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,440
we're looking at the poster and it's for the very

731
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,519
first time that it says there is no comparison, like

732
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:46,239
that's on the poster, and I was asking myself, well,

733
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,119
what does that mean? What are they what are they

734
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,760
talking about that they're saying there is no comparison because

735
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,920
it doesn't really have anything to do with the plot

736
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,960
of the movie. So then that begs the question is, well,

737
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,840
if it's not the movie that they're talking about, what

738
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,039
are they talking about? Well, does it mean that there's

739
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,000
no comparison to Star Wars.

740
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:04,159
Speaker 4: That's what I think they mean.

741
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: Is that what we're talking about.

742
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a clever way to take a jab at

743
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,239
the at Lucas.

744
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

745
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: So my thought is then, I mean, they're right, there

746
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,320
is no comparison to Star Wars. It is a completely

747
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,360
different kind of movie. But I'm not going to I'm

748
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,320
not going to say that, well, I am going to

749
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,519
say Star Wars at Star Wars A New Hope is

750
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:25,840
a better movie than this movie.

751
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: But you're having a limb right there.

752
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: But they're different kinds of movies, and one of the

753
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,039
things we've talked about it already is the fact that

754
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:37,039
Kuber had come out in sixty eight or sixty nine,

755
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:40,519
whenever it was. With two thousand and one A Space Odyssey.

756
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:42,840
If I was saying to myself, did they try to

757
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,199
emulate Star Wars or did they try to emulate another movie?

758
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,800
I would say it was another movie, and it was

759
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,679
two thousand and one of Space obyssly because Cooper took

760
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,760
so much time doing the exact same things where he

761
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,800
lets you soak in the special effects and listen to

762
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,360
some awesome music, and so to me me, I probably

763
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,440
wouldn't have done that as much, because, quite frankly, the

764
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,039
special effects in this movie were not as good as

765
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,360
they were in two thousand and one A Space Odyssey,

766
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,119
even though it's ten years later and they should have

767
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:16,679
been significantly better at that point. They were good, but

768
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,119
they weren't Space Odyssey good. They weren't Star Wars good,

769
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,960
and so if you're going to make that decision, you

770
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:26,920
got to come stronger with your special effects somehow. What

771
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:29,320
also didn't work for me is that none of the

772
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,000
uniforms had cot pieces and all kinds of beans and

773
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,920
Franks up there that I was just not excited to see.

774
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,599
I heard Shatner drop weight. Oh wait, speaking of that,

775
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:42,679
speaking of the text thread, I have to read what

776
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,760
happened right before we started recording. Jeff Johnson is like, hey,

777
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,400
is there an invite? And Jason says, still still setting

778
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,000
up Hank tight guys, And then he said, also the

779
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,159
Star Trek podcast the search for Dee Graves because I

780
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:59,400
had not yet gotten here. Jeff says it is illogical

781
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,960
to proceed without d Graves, and then Jason says, the

782
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,000
Graves unit is almost here, and then Chuck says, why

783
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:10,880
doesn't the creator respond? And I said, if you think

784
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,519
I'm using the transporter after what happened to that first

785
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,599
group in the movie, you're out of your vulcan mind.

786
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 6: Yeah. Can I say something about the transporter accident?

787
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:22,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah?

788
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 6: Was that not the most horrific thing ever? Yes?

789
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: In a G movie?

790
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:30,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, in a G movie. Yeah. And that one always

791
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:33,000
gets me. And someone made a comment.

792
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 9: About think about that, You're in the most agony that

793
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,440
you've ever been in and your mouth hasn't yet materialized

794
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,599
for you to scream, and.

795
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 6: Then you get that it comes in and then they

796
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:48,519
try to put enterprise.

797
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,199
Speaker 2: What we got back didn't live long. Fortunately. Yeah, I

798
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,719
when I'm watching the series, I'm just thinking, Okay, well,

799
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,280
this technology is so sound that it's never concern. And

800
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,360
then they yanked the rug right out from underneath this

801
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,119
on the very first transporter trip of the movie, and

802
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,840
you're like, oh, so every time this happens, and it

803
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,000
happens all the time, you're at risk of becoming a

804
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:18,039
pile of carbon goo. Yeah, that's terrifying.

805
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 5: It was terrifying when we thought the worst thing that

806
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,440
could happen was what we saw President scrub deal with

807
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:28,119
his asse was on backwards. This this movie movie shows

808
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:31,920
us more of like David Crodenberg's The Fly, where things

809
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,440
can go wrong. And I totally understand McCoy's disinterest in

810
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,400
ever wanting to beam after seeing Star.

811
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,159
Speaker 4: Trek the motion picture.

812
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,039
Speaker 5: Hey, before we get too far away from Bob Peek,

813
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,480
a little tidbit about Bob Peek.

814
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:45,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, the poster's gorgeous, it is, And.

815
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:47,639
Speaker 5: I just realized, I just realized I've got his artwork

816
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,679
hanging on my wall. He also did the one sheet

817
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,320
for Superman the movie, the famous You'll Believe a Man

818
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,440
can fly. Oh really, yeah, I mean I know when

819
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,760
you talk great poster work. You know, Drew Strewsy is

820
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,119
the first name out of most people's mouths, but Bob Peek,

821
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,880
he does gorgeous art.

822
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:08,639
Speaker 4: Aside from Star Trek and Superman.

823
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 5: You know, he did The Dark Crystal, he did The

824
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,360
Spy Who Loved Me and uh, you know you mentioned

825
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,679
Apocalypse now, but uh, we'd be we'd be remiss.

826
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,679
Speaker 4: If we didn't mention he also did the.

827
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,119
Speaker 5: The dart work for any which way you can, Hey,

828
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,960
little little little throwback to.

829
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah nice, okay, Jack, what did not work for you

830
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,079
in this movie?

831
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:30,599
Speaker 6: Wow?

832
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 7: Anything?

833
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 6: Pardon? Well, you know I'm a homer for it. So

834
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,599
it's uh, it's kind of gotten to the point. But

835
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:40,000
I I would say, if if there's anything, I still

836
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:42,840
feel that there are some sequences that could have been trimmed,

837
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,639
or you know, even some of the relationships could have

838
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:48,920
been explored a little bit more. One of the things

839
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,320
that I think a lot of a lot of folks

840
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,920
had complaints about it when it first came out, and

841
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,159
it's still there, but just because it's not in the story,

842
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,639
is that the major characters have a lot to do

843
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,920
or they have stuff to do, but Hohura really doesn't

844
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,559
have much to do in it. Sulu, most of his

845
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:11,760
interesting lines got cut in in the director's edition. And

846
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,079
you know, check Off and Scottie, they they they're very

847
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:18,199
relegated to what they do. There's not a lot of interaction.

848
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,360
This is a this is a travel movie. I think

849
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,559
those are my only things that I would have loved

850
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:24,559
to have seen as a fan.

851
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: All right, Jeff, you're up what doesn't work.

852
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 5: I will agree with Chuck that there are some serious

853
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,559
pacing issues in this film, and I understand long drawn

854
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,920
out shots to show off the visual effects.

855
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: However, I would have loved to see them trimmed more so.

856
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:41,519
Speaker 5: We could have made better use of of George Takai

857
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,800
and Walter Koenig and Michelle Nichols who kind of just

858
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,119
showed up for like glorified cameos. So that that's a

859
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:51,320
problem for me. De mentioned the uniforms. I gotta say

860
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,199
these are the worst Star Trek uniforms for me. In

861
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,000
Star Trek, they just they felt more casual. I absolutely

862
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:04,119
don't like that. The colors signifying the rare Yeah, they're.

863
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 4: Practically non existent.

864
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 5: You know, if you you have to you kind of

865
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:09,320
have to queue into the delta on everyone's chest to

866
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,519
see like the color behind it, to find out like

867
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:15,400
who who's a science officer, Who's who's engineering? So I

868
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,920
really didn't I really didn't care for that.

869
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,559
Speaker 6: Would you agree, Jeff that those that have.

870
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,199
Speaker 5: Been very comfortable, Well yeah, I mean they're it's like

871
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:24,599
they're walking around wearing pajamas a lot of the times.

872
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,440
Until you get to Ilia at the end when she

873
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,960
comes back as the probe and what do we got for?

874
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,440
Can she just wear a guy's dress shirt? Because that's

875
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:33,599
that's all we got in the budget, you know. Yeah,

876
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:36,199
we spent eighteen million dollars on the on the Phase

877
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,360
two television show that we're adding into this budget.

878
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,599
Speaker 4: So we just grab a guy's shirt. That's so it.

879
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,079
Speaker 2: Please please add that to my what I like about

880
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,360
this movie category? Please. I forgot to mention that. And

881
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,639
then before John, I'll let you talk Jason, but before

882
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,880
before we go, I have to mention one other thing

883
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,840
that I didn't like. It didn't make any sense to me.

884
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:55,000
The other troubling thing is when they're at warp speed

885
00:44:56,559 --> 00:45:04,079
they number one. When when things are going wrong, everybody

886
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:07,280
gets all fuzzy in dream sequency, right, That's that's problem

887
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,719
number one. But then problem number two. You know, it's

888
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,239
it's grabbing from Star Wars. We could, you know, end

889
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,320
up in the middle of an asteroid feel traveling through

890
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,960
space isn't But but then that actually happens in this one,

891
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,760
and they're like, oh, let's put an asteroid, but the

892
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,800
asteroid is there with them, Like, how's the asteroid traveling

893
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,280
at warp speed so that we are seeing the asteroid

894
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,119
in real time instead of as a blur or whatever the.

895
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:41,039
Speaker 4: Wormhole effects that the wormholes ses. I'm not going down.

896
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: A wormhole after the asteroid, but it's in front of them. Still,

897
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,400
it didn't it didn't make any sense, and as far

898
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,599
as I can tell, nothing to do with the plot

899
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,920
like it didn't wasn't necessary. It was just a let's

900
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:55,719
put an asteroid in front of them and forget all

901
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,519
physics that are involved in this science really really science.

902
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:03,280
I mean, they want to do great explanation on some

903
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,559
stuff that I was just like, okay, if you say so,

904
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:08,400
but I couldn't tell if it was real science or

905
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,840
made up science or what. But they gave these stupid

906
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,719
science details and then they absolutely just go, oh, well,

907
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,000
let's put a rock in the way.

908
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 4: A rock like a video game.

909
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,639
Speaker 3: It looks like it looked like battle Zone, it looked

910
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,519
like a giant a flying potato, look like a great

911
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:23,920
white shark coming closer to you.

912
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, Jason, the last thing.

913
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,199
Speaker 5: For you, for you before you talk about what doesn't work.

914
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,400
And I'm sure you're gonna you're gonna highlight this. There's

915
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,719
there's a significant lack of action. And that's not just me,

916
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,639
that's pretty much everyone in nineteen seventy nine. But I

917
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:41,079
think you've got a good fix, and I'll kick that

918
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:42,480
down the road so you can talk about it.

919
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you.

920
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, Jeff and I have already talked about

921
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:48,320
things I would do to change this movie, and I'm

922
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,239
anxious to talk about that. So I'm not offering problems

923
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,360
without solutions here, but I do have some issues. I

924
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,039
don't think I'm really covering any new ground. There is

925
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,239
not very much action in this movie. There is is

926
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,840
almost no humor. There is not a lot of fun

927
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,320
to be had, right, and one of the biggest things

928
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:15,800
that's glaringly absent is the romance between Iliah and Decker.

929
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,880
If we could have had a little bit more of that,

930
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,119
that's what I We'll talk about that here in a minute,

931
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:23,079
when I will discuss what I would fix. But and

932
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,639
I think there are just some shots that were too long,

933
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,199
including the two minutes of flying space at the beginning

934
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,920
of the movie for no reason, before the paramount emblem is.

935
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: Even on the tee.

936
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: Just tighten things up, Let's trim it up a little bit.

937
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,880
I appreciate the beauty and the care and the style,

938
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,159
but it's just too long, and they need to beef

939
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:43,119
up the action a little bit.

940
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,199
Speaker 5: You know. You mentioned a lack of humor. I think

941
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:48,280
this movie has one of the more comedic moments in a.

942
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 4: Star Trek film.

943
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 5: I got I gotta point I gotta point out the insign,

944
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,599
the pure seventies insign with his mustache.

945
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,199
Speaker 4: Who Spot does the neck pinch on he.

946
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 5: Does the greatest to the overacting award goes to this guy.

947
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 4: He milks it for always always worth it.

948
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 5: He just slowly like we've seen Spot do that like

949
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,280
a thousand times, and these guys drop like bags of dirt.

950
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 4: He's in the war. Who you know. I love it.

951
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 5: Every time I watched this, I love that guy's facial expression,

952
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:17,760
so he's fantastic.

953
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 4: Shout out to that guy. I don't even know who

954
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,280
he is, but I texted you guys last night.

955
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 3: I told you the spot in the movie where the

956
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,000
probe comes on board and starts zapp and Iileiah and

957
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:29,159
she keeps playing freeze tag and her face is making

958
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:32,559
those contorted That makes me laugh every time, and I

959
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,039
know I'm not supposed to laugh at that moment.

960
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 6: So no real quickly about about that particular scene in general.

961
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,400
So when they did the director's edition, the amount of

962
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:46,519
original film negative that had not been comped or anything

963
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,360
that they were able to get is the reason why

964
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,239
that movie looks so good today, because they were able

965
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,159
to go in and redo things properly because they didn't

966
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:59,159
have the time in seventy nine to do it that way,

967
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,480
and even in two thousand and one they did not

968
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,360
have the original negative. So the angels of Paramount's Archives

969
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:10,360
were very gracious in giving them what they needed. The

970
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,960
one thing that they wanted to fix that they did

971
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,280
not have the negative for was that scene right there.

972
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,960
And if you go back and watch the original version

973
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,119
of it and then compare it to this you'll see

974
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,280
that the amount of cleanup and how it looks, it's

975
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,280
amazing what they were able to do. But I get

976
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,400
what you're saying about the contortions of her face. She

977
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:35,320
has that Oh crap, it's over boom.

978
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: All right, d how did you fix this picture?

979
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:40,039
Speaker 2: Let me talk about what they did in the twenty

980
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:44,079
twenty two edition that absolutely worked to make this a

981
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:46,480
much better movie. I mentioned it before, is that the

982
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,079
a key aspect of this was that they had cut out,

983
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:54,679
like a long part of monologue. After he has had

984
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,039
his face to face experience with Veegure, right, he goes rogue,

985
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:02,679
He goes out on his own to confront Veger, and

986
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,800
he identifies with it on a deeper level and arrives

987
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,840
back at the ship, and a large part of that

988
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,920
dialogue got cut or that monologue got cut at when

989
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,679
they did the first release, but they bring it back

990
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:18,039
in this one, and he is tied to Veguer, like

991
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:22,239
his story and Veger's story are tied together, and that

992
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,280
is the story of why do we have humanity? Why

993
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,639
is it important that we have humanity? Because at the

994
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:32,119
beginning of this, he's ready to give his humanity up

995
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:36,039
to become a completely logical being because he feels like

996
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:41,159
that the emotions are unnecessary. But then he's called aboard

997
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:43,519
the ship. He feels like he needs to go on

998
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:47,480
this final journey and he confronts a being that is

999
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:52,400
completely logical, that lacks all emotion, and he appreciates the

1000
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:57,719
danger and the coldness and the lack of something that

1001
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,079
he realizes is truly important. And that's how he moves

1002
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:04,000
from being the guy who's ready to give up to

1003
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,920
his humanity to the guy who is embracing his humanity.

1004
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,400
And so that whole why am I here? Is this

1005
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:14,199
all there is? That's a question that Spock has at

1006
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,760
the beginning that his experience with Veger helps him answer.

1007
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,440
And so I got to give them credit for that

1008
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:23,239
to go number one, terrible idea to cut it out

1009
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,880
in the first place, but way to go on grabbing

1010
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,119
that and bringing it back because that was gold.

1011
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, Spock weeping in that moment is when he it

1012
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,280
makes the movie for me.

1013
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,519
Speaker 2: And then short answer because it went on so long

1014
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:36,760
on that one on something I would fix in the

1015
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,960
movie I until I rewatched it. This time, I thought

1016
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:43,599
that the voyager was the voyager one, not a voyager

1017
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,840
six that came out. You know, that's not a real

1018
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,039
thing totally.

1019
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:48,679
Speaker 4: I'm down for that, the.

1020
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: Idea that that thing that we sent out, that we

1021
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,639
had that experience with. You know, that the Voyager going

1022
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:56,920
out was a big deal, even you know, for a

1023
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,599
little kid like me, that was an impressive thing. And

1024
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:01,920
so so, you know, I understand that they didn't know

1025
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,360
what was going to happen with the Voyager and there

1026
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,639
was a lot of question in the air, and they

1027
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:07,840
didn't want to screw that up. So okay, we'll make

1028
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,840
one that got sent out, you know, as Voyager number

1029
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,599
six twenty years later. But what's ironic about us recording

1030
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:19,320
this and the timeline of things is that that original

1031
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,880
Voyager one has kept on trucking on for the last

1032
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:29,519
forty seven years until middle November last year, and for

1033
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,760
the very first time, it sent back a message that

1034
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,920
didn't make any sense. So the Voyager one is sending

1035
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,719
back ones and zeros that mean different things, just like

1036
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,800
all of the computerized digital systems that we still have

1037
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,079
today in twenty twenty four. But what happens is after

1038
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:49,239
forty seven years, it's it's out of our solar system

1039
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:53,719
and it just starts sending one zero one zero, one zero,

1040
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,639
one zero, Like it's a repeat it doesn't make any sense,

1041
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:58,519
it doesn't tell us anything. It's not a code that

1042
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:01,880
we don't understand. It's just a repeating code. And because

1043
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,360
the technology is forty seven years old, like the lady

1044
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,840
who runs the program literally said, there's more technology in

1045
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,039
the remote you use to open your car than there

1046
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:16,679
is in the voyager one right, wow. And so so

1047
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,280
this is what's what's really going on, is they and

1048
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,880
they have to wait like nearly two solid days, like

1049
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,239
it's like a twenty two hours to send a message,

1050
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,320
twenty two hours to get a message back, and so

1051
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,400
it's a very long process that they're trying to fix

1052
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,519
this archaic piece of machinery and they can't even tell

1053
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:35,159
really what's wrong with it. And then just a few

1054
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:39,840
months ago, it sends something else. It sends something other

1055
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,360
than one zero one zero, one zero. It's not anything

1056
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,039
that makes sense, but there's like hope that maybe we

1057
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,159
finally have figured out what's wrong and this thing can

1058
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,159
keep going. It's unlikely that it's going to make it

1059
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:53,000
to fifty years, but my gosh, that little story right

1060
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:55,719
there is enough for me to go well, maybe some

1061
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,599
other life form had an interaction with this thing, and

1062
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,079
maybe they were like, well, these are all ones and zeros.

1063
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,480
What if we just repeat the ones in zeros. Well, okay,

1064
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,000
that's upsetting them. Let's send them a mixed code and

1065
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:09,400
see if that helped. Like, there could be life out

1066
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,960
there communicating with Voyager and then using that as a

1067
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,800
way to communicate with us. What if that was the possibility. Well,

1068
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,280
these guys saw that as a possibility back in nineteen

1069
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,159
seventy eight and said, what if some sentient computer took

1070
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,800
control of one of the Voyagers and made its quest

1071
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,679
to gain all knowledge in the universe? That should have

1072
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:33,119
happened with Voyager one. It could have happened. It could

1073
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:34,840
be happening. So there you go.

1074
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 6: You know they translated that right, the most recent code.

1075
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: Did they get it? Yeah? What is it?

1076
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 6: It says I went to the colonar ritual alongike opposis

1077
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:43,320
lousey necklace.

1078
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 4: Yes, feeling right at all?

1079
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:52,639
Speaker 2: Job?

1080
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1081
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:54,159
Speaker 4: Good one?

1082
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 3: Judge, All right, Chuck, is there anything you would change

1083
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:56,719
about this movie?

1084
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,119
Speaker 6: I'm looking at what would have made the movie we

1085
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:02,320
got in seventy nine better, and I would have moved

1086
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,280
a release date from Christmas to Easter. I would have

1087
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,920
had them do screenings of it so they could get

1088
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,440
it in front of test audiences and they could look

1089
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,320
at what the issues were as far as we're pacing was,

1090
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,320
and then let Bob Wise go back and address those

1091
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,440
issues back then. It would have given the effects team

1092
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,000
time to get in and to actually really go through

1093
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,360
and do a proper finish up some of their shots.

1094
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,320
It would have allowed for a proper sound mix. Something

1095
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,480
that you guys don't hear in the twenty two version

1096
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,360
is a bad sound mix. The sound mix in that

1097
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,800
is incredible in Dolby atmost. The sound mix we got

1098
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,199
in the original version is very horrible. The color grading.

1099
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,159
They did color grading on that movie in four days.

1100
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,039
It usually takes a month or so to do an

1101
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,079
entire film on that. And so basically everything they said

1102
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:59,039
is when in doubt, just go dark on it. And

1103
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:03,159
so if you watch the theatrical cut, you'll see that

1104
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,239
it's it. It looks blurry in some areas. It's it's

1105
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:12,760
just it's just really flat looking, and it's it's it's lacking.

1106
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,119
That time, I think that Bob Wise needed to really

1107
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:20,320
get out test the film see or what didn't. As

1108
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,480
it was, they were putting that film together up until

1109
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,719
the last second. They had rented a stage in MGM

1110
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,079
Studios where they had all the canisters, and they were

1111
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:32,559
as they were developing the reels, they were putting them

1112
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:35,159
in and you know they're in there, they're wet. And

1113
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,000
then they got to get over to Washington, d C.

1114
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:41,480
For the premiere on December sixth, and they basically given

1115
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:44,760
Bob Wise the film and he's bringing it over on

1116
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,639
the plane while the other planes are now going out

1117
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:51,559
to distribute the films to the theaters for the following for

1118
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:56,039
the December seventh premiere. They they had no time and

1119
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,400
if I could go back and change one thing about it,

1120
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,960
I would have them slip that date.

1121
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 4: All right, Jeff, what would you change if it please?

1122
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 5: Starfleet, I'd like to see my time answering this question

1123
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,039
in lieu of what the Covin cut will be. I'm

1124
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:12,840
excited about about the Covin cut.

1125
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, well, thank you.

1126
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

1127
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: So I am a red shirt.

1128
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:17,719
Speaker 4: I'm not a trekky.

1129
00:57:18,119 --> 00:57:21,119
Speaker 3: I was brought up on Indiana Jones and James Bond

1130
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:23,519
and so Jeff and I were talking today and my

1131
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:27,719
thought is if you would just start this movie in

1132
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,000
an act three of a different adventure where you have

1133
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:34,960
Decker as the hero of the Enterprise. He is completing

1134
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:38,440
some awesome mission where he has defeated the Romulins or whatever,

1135
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:41,519
and he's the hero. Even if you said five years

1136
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:44,079
earlier and you kind of set that up. I think

1137
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,920
it would be great if you had a romance with him,

1138
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,079
and I Leiah at that point. I told Jeff James

1139
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,519
Bond that whole thing put her in bed with him.

1140
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:56,119
They're in love, right, but she has to stop him

1141
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:58,679
because of this celibacy thing that she's got.

1142
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,159
Speaker 6: My oath of celibacy is Captain He's.

1143
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: Got to stop because he's got to go save the ship.

1144
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,280
There you go, and then he loses his opportunity because

1145
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,400
of the valve of celibacy.

1146
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:09,559
Speaker 4: There you go, There you go.

1147
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: Love this idea, keep going, please.

1148
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,119
Speaker 3: I love the idea of him being the hero of

1149
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:17,199
the enterprise so that the audience loves Decker. We really

1150
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:20,320
have no reason to like Decker at all in this movie.

1151
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:22,880
And so when Captain Kirk shows up, you're like, yeah, Decker,

1152
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,440
get out of here.

1153
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 4: This is Kirkship.

1154
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: But I'd like the idea of being conflicted about who

1155
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,280
does the Enterprise belong to? Is it the old guy,

1156
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,199
is that the new guy? You know they're both good.

1157
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:35,599
And then I even told Jeff, like for me, pursus

1158
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:38,320
Kabata had to shave her head for this movie because

1159
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,000
they wanted her to stand out and look different on whatever.

1160
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:44,039
If they could have built that in as somehow part

1161
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,800
of her celibacy ritual in some way, I think that

1162
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,800
that would have been really cool. You could have seen

1163
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,800
her quote unquote beautiful and then sacrifice and then later

1164
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,519
she and Decker come together. I think that that would

1165
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:58,280
have made that storyline a bit more satisfying.

1166
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:00,599
Speaker 2: I just want this to be a whole other movie.

1167
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:02,400
I just wanted to be a prequel to the movie.

1168
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 6: Jim, I want this as much as you wanted The Enterprise.

1169
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 5: I want this Seeing Decker as a as a number

1170
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,280
one and then promote up and get his first first

1171
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,559
command as.

1172
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 4: Captain of the Enterprise.

1173
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 5: That would have been so much more fulfilling at the

1174
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,039
beginning of this movie than the two or five minutes

1175
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:25,360
of just Stars that we got. And Jason's absolutely right,

1176
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,000
like we would have cared about Decker and it would

1177
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,719
have created this Crimson tide effect. Where are we with

1178
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,480
Decker or are we with Kirk? Like who's who's really

1179
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:37,119
right here? Because Decker makes some really solid points. When

1180
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:40,199
when he you know, permission to speak freely, he he

1181
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,559
kind of tells Kirk like it is I'm still like, well, sorry,

1182
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:44,960
we don't care about you.

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00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,679
Speaker 4: You're not Kirk, Thank you, thank you? All right? D

1184
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:49,960
is this movie rewatchable?

1185
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: Feature expects an answer? Okay, So I just want to say,

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00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:59,039
after William Shatner saw this movie for the first time,

1187
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:01,840
William Shatner, star of the movie, saw this movie for

1188
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,519
the first time, he said, well, that's it. We gave

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01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:08,400
it a rest shot. It wasn't good and it will

1190
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,800
never happen again. Thinkingness, he was wrong, he was, he

1191
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,639
was wrong. But I understand his perspective because they didn't

1192
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:18,800
mess up the theatrical cut. They took out some important

1193
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,599
pieces and they were going on the heels of Star

1194
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,159
Wars and it was anything but that. And so yes,

1195
01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:28,320
I understand. But fifteen years later he said, JOSHU, what

1196
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:33,000
I know? And after the revisit number one, revisiting the

1197
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,840
initial story, I was very impressed being able to watch

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01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,400
what's streaming on Max now this new edition. I'm definitely

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01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,159
two thumbs up. Go watch this movie. If you're under

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01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,440
the age of eighteen, probably not. This is probably going

1201
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,239
to be not your pace of a movie. And unless

1202
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:51,559
you're a special kid, you don't. You're just not gonna

1203
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,400
get it. But if you're a grown person who's you know,

1204
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:58,119
watched movies like Schindler's List, you can watch this movie

1205
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:01,320
and go, wow, this is actually a very good movie.

1206
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:03,719
So yes, worth of rewatch all.

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01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: Right, Chuck, do we even need aska rewatchable?

1208
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 6: Definitely, one hundred percent. The even number films are always

1209
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,960
the cursed films. But for me, I really love Star

1210
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,639
Trek three a lot. And then right after that is

1211
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,719
Star Trek the Motion Picture. One of the things that's

1212
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,679
neat about Star Trek the Motion Picture is that it

1213
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,719
is a product of seventies sci fi. It's not Star Wars.

1214
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,960
Star Wars is more space opera. It's a different beast.

1215
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,159
As we've talked about, it has a certain look in

1216
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:37,000
terms of, you know, the uniforms, like it looks very

1217
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,280
similar to Space nineteen ninety nine vibe. Some of the

1218
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,880
ways that the ship looks. If you ever go to

1219
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,719
Space Mountain in Orlando. The same look and feel is

1220
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,519
in there. That's that's a very definite seventies feel to it.

1221
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:54,320
For me. There's just something very nice about having one

1222
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,760
of these movies that is different from the others, and

1223
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,239
it's just very special. It's like a bottle up so

1224
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,960
and then we get all the fun ones after that. So, yes,

1225
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:04,840
very watchable.

1226
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 5: Okay, Jeff, I'm gonna have to say absolutely, it's rewatchable.

1227
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:09,840
But kind of like where d was going with it,

1228
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,039
I think a younger person might not be their cup

1229
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:14,239
of tea or their cup of Earl Gray if they're

1230
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,119
young Patrick Stewart, I kind of feel like, if you're

1231
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:18,760
introducing someone to Star Trek, I wouldn't start them out

1232
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,480
on the motion picture. I would go with something more popular,

1233
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:23,280
something better, better paced.

1234
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,199
Speaker 4: And if you say, okay, if you like it, if.

1235
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 5: You're really getting into it now, now go back and

1236
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,159
see how it all began.

1237
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: All right.

1238
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,519
Speaker 3: So I guess as to me, is this movie rewatchable?

1239
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:32,320
Yes it is?

1240
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 4: Is it even good?

1241
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 3: Yes it's good, but it's not what I'm going to

1242
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,360
revisit all the time. I'm going to watch Ratacon Search,

1243
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,079
Respock Voyage, home three times for every one time I

1244
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:43,239
watch this one.

1245
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,599
Speaker 4: This is long. It's a bit slow. Yes, if you

1246
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,400
haven't seen it in forty years, should you watch it?

1247
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? You should.

1248
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,119
Speaker 3: All right, Well, that is going to do it for

1249
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:52,679
Star Trek the Motion Picture. Next week we're going to

1250
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,559
talk about Star Wars The Phantom Menace and find out

1251
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:57,280
if that one is rewatchable.

1252
01:02:57,559 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 4: So come back here, Chuck. Thank you for being with us.

1253
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,119
Speaker 3: We enjoyed having you on and thanks for bringing your

1254
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:03,840
expertise on all things Star Trek man.

1255
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 6: Thanks thanks for having me on. It's a great time.

1256
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,199
Speaker 3: Jeff, thanks for being on. What we got coming up

1257
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:09,320
from you? Man Well Jackson.

1258
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,719
Speaker 5: Outside of our normal normal formatted show on Tuesday, we

1259
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,480
are continuing on Fridays with our film at forty five

1260
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,960
limited series and our nineteen ninety six limited series. I

1261
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,559
mentioned at the beginning of the show, we have We've

1262
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:24,360
got our phaser set of Stun Star Trek podcast that

1263
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,159
happens on Wednesdays now, and.

1264
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:27,559
Speaker 4: It's it's a little bit down the road, but I'm

1265
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:28,360
gonna go ahead and tell you.

1266
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 5: Just like Veigre and the the Carbon Units needing to

1267
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,960
become one, our phaser sets of Stun series and our

1268
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:40,159
film at forty five series are in fact going to

1269
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:43,880
become one when we crossover and we cover Star Trek

1270
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,559
the Motion Picture on Friday December sixth, which is actually

1271
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,719
the forty fifth, the true forty.

1272
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:51,159
Speaker 4: Fifth anniversary of the film's release.

1273
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,199
Speaker 2: It's awesome. I thought you were going to say you're

1274
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:55,159
going to have an AI host or something.

1275
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 5: I'm working on it. You know, we'll see you know,

1276
01:03:57,639 --> 01:03:58,639
I might get one in there.

1277
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 4: All right, everybody, thanks for being here. We will see

1278
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:01,360
you next week.

1279
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: So ninth, December thirty first, nineteen ninety six, I am

1280
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:21,320
two days into a three day party in the Auxtrian Alps. Okay,

1281
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,800
I'm with a bunch of people who speak German. We've

1282
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,239
been partying and partying, and me and this major party

1283
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,320
animal are finally having a little bit of quiet time

1284
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,280
out on the balcony of this lodge that we're at,

1285
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,880
and his English is only slightly better than my German.

1286
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:41,039
And he says to me, D D this name? What

1287
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:44,079
is this D? And I was like, well, it's my

1288
01:04:44,199 --> 01:04:48,800
middle name. My first name is James. Actually He's like, oh, oh,

1289
01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:55,239
James D. James Kirk, and so yeah, it is the

1290
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,360
universal language.

1291
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 6: It turns out, did you ever hear the story that

1292
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:05,000
Shatner told about the Vietnam veteran? Okay, so the story

1293
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,480
was he was on his way to that premiere in DC, right,

1294
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:11,679
and so the limo driver who was driving him, I

1295
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,159
just said, you know, he, mister Shatner, I really wanted

1296
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,920
to be the one who drove you because I wanted

1297
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,920
to tell you this. He said, I was in the

1298
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,960
Vietnam War and I was captured. And then he proceeds

1299
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:25,840
to describe the ways in which he was tortured, when

1300
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,480
he was when he was captured, and then when they

1301
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,880
would take him out of the box or whatever they

1302
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,639
were doing, and he was there in a in a

1303
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:36,920
room with ten other guys. They were all the other

1304
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,440
guys who were in the same situation, and they only

1305
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,119
thing that they could really talk about. They realized the

1306
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,280
way that they kept their sanity was that they started

1307
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,599
to retell Star Trek episodes to each other, and so

1308
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:54,800
they would like, one person would be Kirk, one person

1309
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,079
would be Spock, and they would you know, mess it

1310
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:58,800
all up in all that because they wouldn't remember how

1311
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,199
something goes. But Shatner has told that story about about

1312
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:07,679
trek He's and how much that it has meant to them,

1313
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,719
even you know, in the worst of times.

1314
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:11,559
Speaker 2: It's a great story.

1315
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:14,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell you what I think is fascinating about

1316
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:17,559
Shatner is a couple of weeks ago he announced that

1317
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,119
given the right story, he would come back and play

1318
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:22,679
Kirk again, whether it's a TV show or a movie.

1319
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,760
And I think a lot of people are quick to

1320
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,760
dismiss that because they know he's ninety three years old.

1321
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,360
But I'll tell you, when we met him last year,

1322
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,480
he first off, he does not look ninety three. He

1323
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,599
looks maybe like he's sixty three, and he sounds like

1324
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:36,639
he's fifty three.

1325
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 4: He is, He's Kirk. He's still Kirk.

1326
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 5: And if they brought him back for even if it

1327
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,840
was a guest spot on like you know, Strange New

1328
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,199
Worlds or something like that, I would be all for

1329
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,920
it because the guy can still do it.

1330
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 4: He's incredible.

1331
01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:54,559
Speaker 6: One of the things that I really like though, just

1332
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,960
thinking about like friendships and stuff like that. You know,

1333
01:06:58,039 --> 01:06:59,719
I've got a great bunch of guys that I've been

1334
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:03,159
friends with since high school. We still get together. I'm

1335
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:06,880
originally from South Carolina. We still get together talk about this.

1336
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,519
And one night I'm out for a run and I

1337
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,360
get a call or something from one of my friends

1338
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,239
and he says, you know, I was just listening to

1339
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,679
the Shirley you Can't Be Serious podcasts and I heard

1340
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:20,480
you do an introduction.

1341
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 4: Really, and I'm like, what, you actually listen to.

1342
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 3: This show?

1343
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 5: I got.

1344
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:35,199
Speaker 6: So there's a bunch of guys there that are yeah, yeah, hey, yeah,

1345
01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:37,639
I just want to say hi to my to Alan Green,

1346
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,480
I know you're going to be listening to this. Thank

1347
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:41,679
you for encouraging me to come on and do this,

1348
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,360
and yeah, so love your brother.

1349
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 4: That's cool.

1350
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,199
Speaker 2: That was fantastic beat. Thanks thanks Alan. Yeah,