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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back. It is the rass Ball Fantasy
Speaker 1: Baseball podcast. I am beat on, joined by the fantasy Master,
Speaker 1: Lithio himself, the one the only Gray.
Speaker 2: All right, how's it going great?
Speaker 3: Hey, good man? I actually this weekend, Cooogs and I
Speaker 3: went to the Dodger game. Right, well, we'll just we'll
Speaker 3: discuss the top one hundred for the second half and
Speaker 3: in one second, I have a I have a quick
Speaker 3: anecdote for you. So we had, uh, we had great
Speaker 3: seats right behind home plate. We were in the the
Speaker 3: Mary Hart section as uh it's referred to in the
Speaker 3: Albright household. Anyway, So we're we're about five rows behind
Speaker 3: Mary Heart. We were on Uh, we were on TV
Speaker 3: the entire game, like right by behind, like over home plate,
Speaker 3: right shoulder. Anyway, so we got these tickets from it
Speaker 3: was Saturday's game, Saturday's Dodger game. It was actually it
Speaker 3: was a terrible Dodgers game. Probably more interesting to count
Speaker 3: the number of times I picked my nose versus what
Speaker 3: the Dodgers were doing. But anyway, so we were So
Speaker 3: we got these tickets from a neighbor. And afterwards Sunday yesterday,
Speaker 3: we're recording this on Monday yesterday, Cooog's runs into the
Speaker 3: neighbor and you know, it says thank you, so nice.
Speaker 3: Tickets were great, and Gray was saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: James McCann hit two home runs in Saturday's game. And
Speaker 3: Gray was saying that we were at the game where
Speaker 3: the worst player in baseball hit two home runs and
Speaker 3: the and our neighbor said, no, James McCann is not
Speaker 3: the worst player. He's not the worst hitter in baseball.
Speaker 3: And uhcuss, like, what, well, who who is the worst hitter?
Speaker 3: In your estimate? Your estimate, your estimate? Uh and uh,
Speaker 3: he says unprompted, he says the worst hitter in baseball
Speaker 3: is Matt McLean. I was like, oh, I gotta, oh,
Speaker 3: I gotta tell be done that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's some argument to say he might
Speaker 1: be correct, you know.
Speaker 4: I would point like Brian Hayes and uh Prince South
Speaker 4: Perez like uh Uhli Luis Franifo.
Speaker 1: But he's not in the majors anymore, so I guess
Speaker 1: I can't really say him. I would say there's some
Speaker 1: others above Matt McLain, but yeah, he's probably.
Speaker 2: He's probably in that discussion.
Speaker 3: I've been I've been laying him for a good twenty
Speaker 3: four hours straight. Oh my cook told me that. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my, he did not say Matt McLean
Speaker 3: like you Why do you know? I was like, that's
Speaker 3: beat on his favorite player.
Speaker 1: You know what, gret I will say, I have zero
Speaker 1: shares of Matt McLean. So as much as I like him,
Speaker 1: I did not let the preseason I move my my
Speaker 1: affection for him even further down the line.
Speaker 2: So, at least to that side, it wasn't me.
Speaker 3: Yeah anyway, man, I mean James M.
Speaker 2: Cannon is on that list too, though.
Speaker 1: For being clear here James mckinn.
Speaker 3: No, the way James mccannon hit two homers on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Those were his first two homers all season. It's terrible.
Speaker 3: He's hitting like two fifteen. He's terrible. And the guy
Speaker 3: says Mad MacLean is worse. I was like, by the way,
Speaker 3: the guy our neighbor is like an eighty year old doctor, Like, uh,
Speaker 3: I doesn't even know Mad MacLean is. It's like I was, like, goods,
Speaker 3: does the doctor listen to the podcast? Man?
Speaker 1: Is he Korean? Is he part of the Korean listening compulation?
Speaker 1: Doctor La definitely could be Korean? M hm, well, you know,
Speaker 1: for what it's worth. Mad McLain has been quite as
Speaker 1: bad recently, but yeah, still still bad. Gray. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's making it on this top one hundred list
Speaker 1: that we're gonna talk about. Why don't you give the
Speaker 1: people the the the second half ranking introduction talk about
Speaker 1: how you come up with these rankings. Is it's different
Speaker 1: than what you do in the preseason, how you weigh
Speaker 1: you know, what they've already done versus previous seasons or expectations.
Speaker 2: Just just walk us through your your ranking process.
Speaker 3: Great, Oh yeah, so I have this giant hat where
Speaker 3: I write the names of the players on a piece
Speaker 3: of paper. Okay, So I actually so I do. I
Speaker 3: rely pretty heavily in the second half rankings. I rely
Speaker 3: pretty heavily on the rest of the season player raider
Speaker 3: as well as the actual play raider. So I uh,
Speaker 3: and in the preseason I'm probably I'm I lean more,
Speaker 3: I lean a little heavier on ADP, and there is
Speaker 3: no ADP for the second half. So yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: it's a combination of what a player has done versus
Speaker 3: what they're hopefully what they're going to do according to
Speaker 3: the rest of the season play Raider. I I do
Speaker 3: think like there is like I feel like with the
Speaker 3: with what the players have done right as far as
Speaker 3: like the player raider and they're ranking currently on that,
Speaker 3: there is a little bit of like what have you
Speaker 3: done for me lately? But also what have you done
Speaker 3: for me super lately? For like like this weekend alone,
Speaker 3: there it felt like there was all these pictures who
Speaker 3: got hit hard, and it was like, Okay, at a
Speaker 3: certain point, like I think it was like Thursday or Friday,
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I have to I have to
Speaker 3: stop adjusting the rankings here, because like I can't get
Speaker 3: down to like like it is, there is an element
Speaker 3: of like what have you done for me lately? But
Speaker 3: I can't get down to the absolute, like myopicness of
Speaker 3: looking at what a pitcher or a hitter has done
Speaker 3: for like one game. So it's like at a certain
Speaker 3: point you have to step back and say, okay, like
Speaker 3: you know, there's definitely an element of like what a
Speaker 3: player did the first half, but it can't be like
Speaker 3: what did the player do in the last half inning
Speaker 3: of his last start or something, so you know, so
Speaker 3: there is so it's like you get a delicate balance
Speaker 3: of what a player's done lately versus what a player
Speaker 3: should be doing. And then also you know I've mentioned
Speaker 3: this before, but I I also look at like, you know, pitchers,
Speaker 3: and I move pitchers and catchers and closers. I move
Speaker 3: those guys up because at this point, if you're looking
Speaker 3: to actually make a move in your standings, like and
Speaker 3: that's really like second and half second half rankings are
Speaker 3: really like who cares other than to look at them
Speaker 3: to see like maybe if you're looking to make a
Speaker 3: trade or something, because you're not drafting, like no, like
Speaker 3: very few people are actually using these rankings as like
Speaker 3: a drafting tool, because you know, drafts are over except
Speaker 3: for maybe a few, like you know, all Star break drafts,
Speaker 3: where you know, they're like a couple super crazy addictive
Speaker 3: fantasy baseball people are actually doing drafts during the All
Speaker 3: Star break. Most people are not using these rankings as
Speaker 3: drafting tools. They're looking at more as like a trading tool. Like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I have you know, I have, say James Wood, and
Speaker 3: you know he has him above you know so and
Speaker 3: so so I could trade possibly so and so for
Speaker 3: James Wood or so you know, or whatever the case is.
Speaker 3: So I you know, I do look at, like, you know,
Speaker 3: pitchers and catchers and closers differently in the second half
Speaker 3: rankings because like I feel like at this point, like
Speaker 3: if you're looking to actually make a move in the
Speaker 3: standings and make a t that can actually make a difference,
Speaker 3: you want a guy who can make a difference, right,
Speaker 3: Like You're like, if you're looking at like picking up
Speaker 3: a pitcher in a trade, it's like you know, picking
Speaker 3: up uh, you know, Zach Thornton the news, the new
Speaker 3: sixth pitcher in the Mets rotation, Like making a difference
Speaker 3: between him and like someone else it's not gonna make
Speaker 3: a big difference. So it's like, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: Zach Norton is Zach Thorton or Sean Maniyah. For some reason,
Speaker 3: this person can only deal with the Mets pitchers. But
Speaker 3: if it's like if it's a difference between those guys,
Speaker 3: it's like, who cares. But if you're looking to actually
Speaker 3: make a real move and standings and make a real trade,
Speaker 3: then I'm you know, in the preseason, I I say,
Speaker 3: don't draft, you know, top starters. But at this point,
Speaker 3: you know, and I say that in the preseason because
Speaker 3: starters are so fluky, like no one was expecting Misroski
Speaker 3: to be the number one starter in the first half,
Speaker 3: so you know, like, but now we're at a point
Speaker 3: where you have a large enough sample size where you
Speaker 3: you know who's a good starter and who's a bad starter.
Speaker 3: So at this point, if you're looking to actually make
Speaker 3: a move in the pitching standings and trading for a
Speaker 3: top pitcher is the move, Like you if you want
Speaker 3: to move like Ellie de la Cruz for like a
Speaker 3: top you know, starter move Ellie de la Cruz for
Speaker 3: a top starter like this is like, if you can
Speaker 3: make a difference in your standings, go for it. And
Speaker 3: as far as like, you know, hitting goes, it's the
Speaker 3: same sort of situation and closers as well. Like it's
Speaker 3: like there's so much, uh, you know, between the preseason
Speaker 3: and now, there's so much a of a like, there's
Speaker 3: so much difference of value between what we thought a
Speaker 3: guy would be doing versus what a guy is actually doing.
Speaker 3: So the fact that we actually know what a guy
Speaker 3: is doing right now now and of course, you know,
Speaker 3: hitters and pictures change in the second half, like it's
Speaker 3: an ever evolving thing, but right now we have a
Speaker 3: solid foundation as to what a guy is actually doing
Speaker 3: this year. So you know, if you need to go
Speaker 3: out and get like, you know, steals or you know,
Speaker 3: or saves, or you need to get a good catcher
Speaker 3: or you need to get a good picture, now's the
Speaker 3: time to do it. And you know, the rankings are
Speaker 3: hopefully a tool to help you sort of get ideas
Speaker 3: to where I think guys have you know, will be
Speaker 3: going for the second half and where they should be, like,
Speaker 3: you know, and even even this, like we could get
Speaker 3: a week into the season, excuse me, a week into
Speaker 3: the second half and you know, an injury could happen,
Speaker 3: and it could you know, change the whole dynamic here.
Speaker 3: But as of right the second this is where I
Speaker 3: think players are.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and start getting into those then Gray
Speaker 1: number one for you, no surprise, it is Shoheo TODDI.
Speaker 1: Number two is Bobby Witt Junior. I think the questions
Speaker 1: would come in and starting at number three, and who
Speaker 1: you have is one Soto at three fine season, he's
Speaker 1: twenty one and run seven so on bases he's hitting
Speaker 1: two ninety four or five five sixty two with the
Speaker 1: best strikeout rate of his career. You know, I think
Speaker 1: the question is that kind of a safety three just
Speaker 1: track record? We know he's a great player, you're not
Speaker 1: going to really shouldn't be really disappointed, or is he
Speaker 1: actually a third best? You know, there's guys like James
Speaker 1: Wood PCA who have had better seasons for the player raider,
Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I would say that's exactly It's about the
Speaker 3: value of a guy like Juan Soto and what he's
Speaker 3: you know, and his stability in his stats over the
Speaker 3: course of like his you know, basically his whole career.
Speaker 3: If you know, if you're looking for more upside, I'm fine,
Speaker 3: you know, Movingjan Soto down and someone else up. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I felt like Jan Soda was just the safest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is fair, and we've seen even last year
Speaker 1: James Wood Pca both fill up really hard in the
Speaker 1: second half.
Speaker 2: I would like to think that that's not going to
Speaker 2: happen for.
Speaker 1: Either of them, being they're very young, very talented, but
Speaker 1: you never know, so I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to clear it up for
Speaker 1: our listeners. And if you are chasing stuff, maybe you
Speaker 1: do need to go after that that high upside play,
Speaker 1: especially if you need steels you're you know, you're generally
Speaker 1: not going to get a lot of those from Soto.
Speaker 1: Despite what happened last year. I don't think he's necessarily
Speaker 1: on on that kind of run this year, given that
Speaker 1: he has seven stolen bases. Here at the All Star break,
Speaker 1: your number two starting pitcher is Treek Scoba, who comes
Speaker 1: in at nine. You have ms Roski number one at five. Overall,
Speaker 1: he has not had a bad season, of course, just
Speaker 1: not quite that top level that we've come to expect,
Speaker 1: you know, Is it just that he's he's so consistent
Speaker 1: and that's why he comes in a number two. You know,
Speaker 1: in your right up you mentioned the possibility of trades
Speaker 1: as well. Would you be concerned if you know, he
Speaker 1: does get traded and moves to a different park, different league.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts here on scoob? But why is
Speaker 1: he coming as a top ten player for you? Mmmm?
Speaker 3: Well, you know I was. I think between it was
Speaker 3: between him and Wheeler and who else?
Speaker 2: Chris Sanchez? Right, so maybe Yamamoto if you want to
Speaker 2: throw him.
Speaker 3: In, Right, So Chris Sanchez and uh actually Yamamoto, who
Speaker 3: is who pitched on Saturday and he got he got
Speaker 3: rocked by James McCann. Yeah, so Sanchez and Yama. Well,
Speaker 3: Sanchez specifically, I bumped him down due to his July
Speaker 3: a little bit. I mean I still have him pretty high,
Speaker 3: but I did bump him down a little bit. And
Speaker 3: what we call it Yamamoto. As you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: a huge fan of Yamamoto because and especially at this point,
Speaker 3: because I do think the Dodgers have a chance to
Speaker 3: make the playoffs, right, there's a there's a possibility that
Speaker 3: they might actually beat out the Padres and Diamondbacks. For
Speaker 3: the Al West, and I would imagine at some point
Speaker 3: they're gonna want to throttle Yamamoto's innings, but I mean
Speaker 3: there has been really no sign of that. So you know,
Speaker 3: that's sort of just me, uh, you know, making up
Speaker 3: a story in my head. But I do think anyway.
Speaker 3: So I really felt like like Scoople, I mean Scooble
Speaker 3: to me, like his numbers, his overall numbers, Like I
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying with the road and home splits,
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, actually he's pitching better on the
Speaker 3: or he's actually he's pitching better at home, I guess.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think there's a I think it's
Speaker 3: too much as made of home and road splits, because
Speaker 3: like a guy is If a guy is pitching well
Speaker 3: at home, he's pitching well at home wherever his home
Speaker 3: is like a school. And if schoobl gets traded to say,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know the Brewers, I don't I
Speaker 3: don't know where he's going, but he should get traded.
Speaker 3: But if he if he could get traded to the
Speaker 3: Dodgers potentially, and you know, Camerica is a good park,
Speaker 3: but he'll like pitchers pitch at home better just in general,
Speaker 3: So once he's at because you know, they're I mean
Speaker 3: they're at home, they're you know, they're at their home base.
Speaker 3: They don't have to travel to their the start. It's
Speaker 3: it's just, I mean, it's just like human nature. So
Speaker 3: I think, uh, Scooba will pitch better at home no
Speaker 3: matter where it is, assuming the Rockies don't make a
Speaker 3: move for school, which I doubt, and I don't see
Speaker 3: him going to the A's either, So yeah, I think
Speaker 3: Scooble's Uh, I think Schooble's probably the safest start at
Speaker 3: the safest number two. I also, I mean, I think
Speaker 3: there's probably a case to be made that he could
Speaker 3: have been number one because of you know, Mesirowski, like
Speaker 3: as far as we know, as far as les I know, Uh,
Speaker 3: Mezziawski missed Sundays start because of you know, quote unquote fatigue,
Speaker 3: And I do think that's just a matter of them
Speaker 3: wanting to keep his innings down. But you know, with that,
Speaker 3: with that sort of you know in mind, we could
Speaker 3: get to September and Mezierawski and the Brewers could be like, well, Mesiawski,
Speaker 3: we want him to pitch the playoffs so we're gonna
Speaker 3: actually skip him in the final two weeks of the
Speaker 3: season and two weeks out of like a second half
Speaker 3: projections that could make a that could make a pretty
Speaker 3: big difference. Whereas Scooble if he gets traded, we actually
Speaker 3: I think we could get we get better Schooble versus
Speaker 3: worst Schooble if he gets traded, because like, you know,
Speaker 3: the team that he gets traded to, in theory, they
Speaker 3: are gonna be in the playoff chase, and you would
Speaker 3: assume that he's gonna be a rental. So if like
Speaker 3: the Yankees trade for Schooble, They're not gonna let up
Speaker 3: on them. They're gonna be like, go on, throw throw
Speaker 3: as many innings as you can. So he actually could
Speaker 3: end up being the best starter in the second half
Speaker 3: versus the number two one. So I'm actually I feel like,
Speaker 3: if anything, I might be too low on Schooble. But
Speaker 3: I felt like with the you know, because he was
Speaker 3: on the injury list, you know, earlier this year, and
Speaker 3: with the loose bodies removed from his elbow, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, it seems like he's fine, but there's a
Speaker 3: little bit of risk I guess involved. There so, yeah,
Speaker 3: I left him at two, but I think he's as
Speaker 3: solid as anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we haven't really seen him be bad,
Speaker 1: you know, him struggling is just slightly over a three
Speaker 1: ERA and sub one whip still with a thirty plus
Speaker 1: percent strikeout rate. So the struggle is not really a
Speaker 1: struggle so much as just not as elite as he
Speaker 1: was for the people listening. The home road splits are
Speaker 1: as such this year three nine three ERA at home,
Speaker 1: two four to zero on the road. For his career,
Speaker 1: he is a two seven e RA at home in
Speaker 1: a three four eight on the road. You know, I
Speaker 1: think my biggest thing on pitchers is not necessarily home away,
Speaker 1: but if they switch the leagues, I don't necessarily love that,
Speaker 1: either pitching or hitting. I feel like that's where some
Speaker 1: of the struggles can come in. Because you've been pitching
Speaker 1: to different people. You've never really had to deal with
Speaker 1: the scouting report of certain guys. You don't have that
Speaker 1: familiarity you do within your division, within your league.
Speaker 2: So sometimes that concerns me a little bit.
Speaker 1: And it does seem like unless he's going I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe the Yankees. Unless he's going there, I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of the teams mentioned Earth and Hell, so
Speaker 1: that would be my one concern on Scooball. But as
Speaker 1: you've mentioned, he's been pretty phenomenal regardless of of where
Speaker 1: he's been.
Speaker 3: How how how many prospects does uh, what's your book called?
Speaker 3: Have been in San Diego? Does he have any? Does
Speaker 3: he have any prospects? The trade? It's like he's doing
Speaker 3: a he's making Frenado touttist junior. He's he's like, hey,
Speaker 3: maybe he shaved to look a little bit younger, and
Speaker 3: we could sell you as like Frenado touttis junior junior,
Speaker 3: like here are here are least you're our best prospect
Speaker 3: that this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Potters would have to do a
Speaker 1: little bit of you know, quantity over quality if they
Speaker 1: were going to get into that. That makes uh less
Speaker 1: they're gonna start sending some major leaguers over Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think that they're They're really gonna be in uh in
Speaker 2: that discussion.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Gray, there is a j prellers like, uh, who
Speaker 3: can we make look young here? Looking around the clubhouse?
Speaker 2: You want?
Speaker 1: You want Manny Machano, He's he's he's a phenomenal young player.
Speaker 2: Absolutely take him.
Speaker 3: Gavin Sheets. What if we put some eyeshadow on you
Speaker 3: to look a little younger? How about botox, gabage Sheets computer.
Speaker 1: Great, let's move on to the next picture, which is
Speaker 1: Mason Miller. You have at sixteen. Again, this is really
Speaker 1: just a discuss why we've diverted so far from preseason.
Speaker 1: Now you have Mason Miller, who is undoubtleated in one
Speaker 1: relief picture as a top twenty player.
Speaker 3: Here. Yeah, well, I discussed a little bit in the opening,
Speaker 3: but I'll say again that like, you know, if you
Speaker 3: need saves, you can You're only gonna get so far,
Speaker 3: you know with the you know, say saving excuse me,
Speaker 3: You're only gonna get so far, like trading for you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, Devin Williams or something like. It's like
Speaker 3: it's like you're you if you're gonna make a actual
Speaker 3: move in the standings and you need a closer, I
Speaker 3: say at this point, go for the you know, go
Speaker 3: for the best. Like I would never in a million
Speaker 3: years draft Mason Miller in the top you know, fifteen
Speaker 3: or sixteen overall or whatever. But if you know, right now,
Speaker 3: if I'm looking at actual like value for on the player,
Speaker 3: Raider and versus and the rest of the season. And
Speaker 3: I'm actually looking to make a move in the standings.
Speaker 3: Like I said, that's what the h you know, that's
Speaker 3: what the second half rankings are really for. Is about,
Speaker 3: like gauging a player's value for the second half and
Speaker 3: for potential trades. So if you're looking to make a
Speaker 3: move in saves, I say, you know, what the heck,
Speaker 3: go for it, man, get like you know, if you're
Speaker 3: you're like, uh, I want to be surprised if you
Speaker 3: can get Mason Miller and plus someone else for like
Speaker 3: one of the guys like around him in the second
Speaker 3: half ranking. So you know, for instance, like if it's
Speaker 3: like Corbyn Carrol, I mean, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: it's hard to know what people how people value players
Speaker 3: in you know, their league. But if you said, like
Speaker 3: if you said to me, like, oh, you can have
Speaker 3: Corbin Carroll plus you know, I don't know Jake Bauers
Speaker 3: or something like, I don't you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: how people value people or who people have. But if
Speaker 3: you could take like a top twenty hitter on the
Speaker 3: second half top one hundred and then also another piece
Speaker 3: and put them together and get that for Mason Miller,
Speaker 3: like me, because if you have Mason Miller right now,
Speaker 3: you may not need him anymore because you may have
Speaker 3: as many saves as you need. So like I'm talking,
Speaker 3: you know, from the Mason Miller owner's perspective, Like if
Speaker 3: you have Mason Miller, you trade them for like you
Speaker 3: trade them for Corman Carroll. That's great. And in my opinion,
Speaker 3: I would take Corman Carroll and another piece. Sure, why not?
Speaker 3: And if I have, you know, and if I need
Speaker 3: Mason Miller, you know, and you can trade someone for him,
Speaker 3: like you know, say like Matt Olsen or Chris Sale
Speaker 3: or something like you know, if it depends on what
Speaker 3: you're trading from, like where you're you know, where your
Speaker 3: strength lies. But I would take Mason Miller in a
Speaker 3: trade if I needed saves, and I would trade away
Speaker 3: Mason Miller if I didn't need saves. But I think, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I think undoubtedly he is the number one closer.
Speaker 3: I mean I I you know, I have in an
Speaker 3: NL own league keeper league. Somehow I lucked in to
Speaker 3: having Mason Miller. Actually want to we want to talk
Speaker 3: about Gray's one good team. I have Mason Miller Meserawski,
Speaker 3: James Wood and C. J. Abrams. Somehow I'm in first place.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe it's the fact I have four
Speaker 3: top fifteen players and it's an NL only league. But
Speaker 3: you know that get with that said, you know, I
Speaker 3: know how valuable Mason Miller is from having him in
Speaker 3: that league, and he is crazy valuable. So if you need,
Speaker 3: and especially I think that league is strikeouts divided by
Speaker 3: walks versus you know, straight strikeouts. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: if you need, like, if you need a closer, you're
Speaker 3: not doing better than Mason Miller.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been phenomenal.
Speaker 1: In any other year he might actually be in the
Speaker 1: Young race, but probably not this year, unfortun for him.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Corbyn Carroll, so I'm just gonna talk talk
Speaker 1: about him real quick. Uh, if you owned Corbyn Carroll,
Speaker 1: you're probably looking at Gray's ranking and thinking and disgust
Speaker 1: to yourself that Gray is wrong. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm here to ask Gerry what he's thinking. Thirteen runs,
Speaker 1: tenstone bases to fifty two. Everything's fine. It's just not
Speaker 1: probably about the numbers you were looking at from Corbyn
Speaker 1: Carroll in the first half. You obviously had the injury
Speaker 1: coming into the season, but as someone who was looking
Speaker 1: at playing Eli White over Corbyn Carroll in an ill
Speaker 1: only league, I want to I want to recognize he
Speaker 1: has been struggle street for at least a few weeks now.
Speaker 3: Eli whitebad, Huh.
Speaker 2: I mean he is, I think on my only team.
Speaker 1: He is the worst bat that is that that I've
Speaker 1: had over the last two or three weeks even, and
Speaker 1: that includes guys who were in the minors. So he's
Speaker 1: literally hurting my team versus me rolling out guys who
Speaker 1: are in the miners who were giving no.
Speaker 3: Well, that's fair, he's uh. I wouldn't say he's worse
Speaker 3: than Matt McClean, though, would you.
Speaker 2: Over the last you know, two weeks, three weeks? I
Speaker 2: actually would He's been he's been awful. Great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well okay, so I'll say, like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: a matter of track record, right, you know, looking at
Speaker 3: even his second half last year, he had ten homers,
Speaker 3: twenty one steals, he had two seventy seven. I think
Speaker 3: he's uh, you know, far enough away removed from like
Speaker 3: the hammet phone uh, you know, and those second half
Speaker 3: numbers that I read for his second half last year.
Speaker 3: I mean that would that would put him in the
Speaker 3: top twenty, and so he just has to repeat that.
Speaker 3: I think we're also far enough away from the hammit
Speaker 3: bone surgery in the preseason where I think he should
Speaker 3: he should have his power back at this point. And
Speaker 3: he is one of the few players who I'll say,
Speaker 3: has like, you know, fifteen homer I excuse me, fifteen
Speaker 3: steal speed per month, which is very rare to be
Speaker 3: able to steal fifteen bags in a month. He has
Speaker 3: that kind of speed. And he also unlike the other
Speaker 3: guys who could do that, say Chandler Simpson, nacyum Nunez,
Speaker 3: unlike those guys, I mean, Corbyn Carrol can hit you know,
Speaker 3: five to seven homers in a month too. So I
Speaker 3: mean we're talking about a guy who could I mean,
Speaker 3: he has the potential to be a top five overall player,
Speaker 3: which I don't you know, I mean in a way,
Speaker 3: a lot of players could do that, like you know,
Speaker 3: as we saw you know in the in the very
Speaker 3: opening of the season, and like Chase the latter was
Speaker 3: that for like you know, two weeks. So a lot
Speaker 3: of players have that ability to be a top five player.
Speaker 3: But Corbin Carroll is like you know, percentage wise, he
Speaker 3: has a better chance than many guys because he does
Speaker 3: have power and speed and should hit for a decent average,
Speaker 3: you know, relatively. I mean, you know, he's not a
Speaker 3: three hundred hitter, but he should hit two sixty. So
Speaker 3: I yeah, I mean, I don't have Corbin Carrol, so
Speaker 3: I'm maybe a little bit of rose colored glasses here,
Speaker 3: but I do think he has a better chance than
Speaker 3: many guys to have a top five season and is
Speaker 3: worth the gamble for a big second half even if
Speaker 3: it wasn't, you know, the greatest. The first halfs.
Speaker 2: Right, great, I mean it's fair. He definitely has the upside.
Speaker 1: We've seen him do it before, and the second halves
Speaker 1: can look completely different. I hope you're right, because my
Speaker 1: you know, only team would would greatly appreciate him getting
Speaker 1: his act together, and you know, that would probably get
Speaker 1: me back in the first place in that league if
Speaker 1: he became Corbyn Carroll that I need and not somebody
Speaker 1: who was battling Eli White for playing.
Speaker 2: Time on my roster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I hear you. I was looking. I just
Speaker 3: looked up quickly where he was in the rest of
Speaker 3: the season play Raider, and yeah, I mean, it's probably
Speaker 3: no surprise to people. He's he's pretty high on the
Speaker 3: Rest of the Season Player Raider. He's that he's the
Speaker 3: seventh best outfielder between your done and Michael Harris the
Speaker 3: second and Ronaldycunya Junior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's not surprising that based on his
Speaker 1: track record he would be high. He's not old, so
Speaker 1: there's no reason to drop that yet. The batted ball
Speaker 1: was down in the first half, but that's kind of
Speaker 1: to be expected with the way he came into the
Speaker 1: season with the handmake bone, So you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I if he gets it back together and the batted
Speaker 1: ball comes back, that's there's definitely a possibility. But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm more looking forward to the value pick of him
Speaker 1: next year, I think than hoping he's gonna necessarily be
Speaker 1: a top ten, top fifteen guy this year.
Speaker 2: So if you want him, great, and then I'll only
Speaker 2: I'm happy to sell you him at that price.
Speaker 3: I I actually, you know, speaking of value picks for
Speaker 3: next year, I'm already anticipating rostering Gunner Henderson again. How
Speaker 3: depressing is that three seasons in a row where I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 3: the value is just too good. I'm gonna be like,
Speaker 3: in five seasons from now, it's gonna be like, Oh,
Speaker 3: Gunner Henderson's at pick one seventy, that's really good value.
Speaker 1: Oh all right, Greg, he brought him up. So let's
Speaker 1: just jump there. Let's jump to Gunnar Henderson. We're kind
Speaker 1: of gonna jump back and forth right now. He comes
Speaker 1: in at forty five. He is behind Riley Green and
Speaker 1: Miguel Vargas. Of all people, would not ever have thought
Speaker 1: I would say those words, or really even in the season,
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't have really thought I would say those words.
Speaker 1: But here we are. Gunner is hitting he I mean
Speaker 1: he has seven him runs seven song bases. He's hitting
Speaker 1: two twenty four. His on basi is sub three hundred.
Speaker 1: I mean the babbit is two fifty four career three
Speaker 1: h eight Babbage, So a little unlucky there. But the
Speaker 1: k raid is up. The walk rate is the worst
Speaker 1: in his major league career. Our hit rate, average exit lost,
Speaker 1: they are both down. That's that speed fast swing rate
Speaker 1: both down as well. I mean, I liked, I love
Speaker 1: the talent too Gray, but like at this point, is
Speaker 1: he just like see Brandon Nemo with supposed upside or
Speaker 1: like are we gonna see.
Speaker 2: You know, first two years Gunner Henderson at any point.
Speaker 3: Man, when you put it that way, maybe I won't
Speaker 3: draft him next year.
Speaker 1: Kind of beetles like Brandon Nemo, except he's not even
Speaker 1: walking that much anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'd say, you know, if Nemo's on the table,
Speaker 3: go for Nemo. No, No, okay, So you know, so
Speaker 3: I think, uh, Nemo, I feel like, well, I won't
Speaker 3: go too far down that path because it was just
Speaker 3: say it was just a comp but I do think
Speaker 3: like he has almost twice as many homers as Nemo,
Speaker 3: and he has uh you know, I mean Gunnar Henderson
Speaker 3: has like speed that Nemo's never shown in his career. Like,
Speaker 3: you know, Gunnar Henderson had a thirty steel season last year.
Speaker 3: So I think I want to say that, you know,
Speaker 3: the first half obviously wasn't great for Gunner Henderson, but
Speaker 3: even with the not so great first half, I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean, he is on pace for a you know,
Speaker 3: twenty eight homer fifteen steel season. It's really the average
Speaker 3: is really what's been dragging him down. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and say
Speaker 3: that the walk rate being down and the strikeouts being
Speaker 3: up a little bit not a little concerning, but I
Speaker 3: mean they're not out of control, right, So it's not
Speaker 3: like like his strikeout rate is only up one percent
Speaker 3: from last year, so I mean it's like negligible. You know.
Speaker 3: His walk rate is down. It's a little bit more concerning.
Speaker 3: I mean it's down two percent. But his average, I
Speaker 3: think is a little bit is being offset a little
Speaker 3: bit by the bed babbit which you mentioned. So his
Speaker 3: babbit is so far down that it's like even even
Speaker 3: with the hard hit down, which you know, it's a
Speaker 3: little bit down. I mean, even with that, his babbit's
Speaker 3: down so much that you know this, I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: he's suddenly become a two sixty babbit guy. So he's,
Speaker 3: you know, at worse a three hundred babbit guy, which
Speaker 3: makes him a two sixty hitter at absolute worse. So
Speaker 3: if he went you know, it's not ideal, but if
Speaker 3: he goes like over the course of a season, if
Speaker 3: he were to go hit twenty eight homers, steal fifteen bags,
Speaker 3: and hit two sixty, so that would be a neutral average,
Speaker 3: you'd be here saying, like, okay, I mean, it's not
Speaker 3: the gunner Henderson of like the top fifteen overall, but
Speaker 3: that's not a bad top fifty hitter. If he goes
Speaker 3: you know, essentially thirty homers, fifteen steals to sixty average.
Speaker 3: I think I've talked myself back into drafting him again
Speaker 3: next year. I'm back to that, so, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I hear I hear the complaints about you know, I
Speaker 3: think it's mostly the average that I think people were
Speaker 3: complaining about, because if he was hitting two seventy with
Speaker 3: the seventeen homers that he has right now and the
Speaker 3: seven steals, I feel like people would be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that's basically a bounce back. If he's you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, if he's on pace for you know, thirty
Speaker 3: fifteen to seventy, people would be like, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I think it's really the average that is, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: hanging people up. And I think the average is a
Speaker 3: lot I think a lot to do with bad luck
Speaker 3: right now, not totally. I mean, there is some concern,
Speaker 3: but I think it's a lot bad luck. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm fine gambling on conn Anderson for
Speaker 3: the second half. I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're crazy great. I would gamble on
Speaker 1: the talent. Still, he does feel like he's gonna turn
Speaker 1: at some point. I just don't know if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be this year. Still, I think the biggest concern for
Speaker 1: me is, like you said, the walk rate being down,
Speaker 1: and then also the fact that the fast swing rate
Speaker 1: and the bat speed are down. That feels like something's
Speaker 1: still wrong. You know, he's not old enough where he
Speaker 1: should be losing bat speed to this amount. You know
Speaker 1: that that makes me feel like something's wrong or he
Speaker 1: made some kind of change and it's really not. It's
Speaker 1: not working out like it needs to be working out.
Speaker 1: So again, for this year, if you can get him
Speaker 1: in some kind of discount, I don't mind taking him.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm gonna pay up, you know,
Speaker 1: premium prices for Gunner Henderson. But we'll revisit where he
Speaker 1: ranks at the end of the season, after we see
Speaker 1: his second half going back up top a little bit
Speaker 1: great to the top of the rankings. You're don Alvarez
Speaker 1: comes at at twelve for you, that feels low based
Speaker 1: on your love for uh for Kubato, I mean throwing
Speaker 1: one home runs and stolen base. He's sitting three eighteen,
Speaker 1: he can make a legitimate run at a triple Crown,
Speaker 1: and he actually has outfield eligibility. Now this feels this
Speaker 1: feels low for the person that we're talking about here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, I mean I didn't
Speaker 3: really I didn't think it was low. Actually, when I
Speaker 3: like some of these, I felt like I felt like
Speaker 3: you were you did hit on something when you were
Speaker 3: pointed out certain guys. But I don't feel like you
Speaker 3: were nons that low. To be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean with his uh, you know, going back to
Speaker 3: like the track record of like, you know, his you know, injury,
Speaker 3: his injuries in the past, you know. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think twelve is fair. I mean, I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anyone really above him that I
Speaker 3: could see, you know. I guess if it's like Jordon
Speaker 3: or Juan Soto, I guess it's more about Juan Soda
Speaker 3: just being like, you know, a bit of a like
Speaker 3: he's he's a he's pretty reliable, whereas Jordon has been
Speaker 3: unreliable in the past. But yeah, I mean, Jordon obviously
Speaker 3: can outpace Juan Soto, Uh, if we're gonna uh you know,
Speaker 3: if if he's if we're if we're saying we're guaranteeing,
Speaker 3: you know, health for the second half for both guys,
Speaker 3: I would say or do on easily. But you know,
Speaker 3: I I think I just I deducted a little bit
Speaker 3: because just you know, just I feel like there's just
Speaker 3: a little bit of unreliability with him. And yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean that's kind of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, I mean that's fair. He
Speaker 1: definitely does have that track record. He has just been
Speaker 1: so so good this year, you know, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: basically been maybe he's the fourth on a Player Raider.
Speaker 1: He's only behind Miss Rowski, James Wood, Ben Rice and.
Speaker 2: Then it's him.
Speaker 1: So it was just just one of the ask because
Speaker 1: he's always been a podcast favorite. So it felt a
Speaker 1: little low for for somebody that that we've always been repping.
Speaker 2: Gray, somebody we haven't really repped at any point.
Speaker 1: But it's you know, on this list, and deservedly so
Speaker 1: is Auto Lopez night home run seventeen stone bases. He's
Speaker 1: hitting three thirty four, three sixty eight five h five
Speaker 1: that does come with a three seventy babbit, so maybe
Speaker 1: a little lucky. But what are your thoughts here on
Speaker 1: Auto Lopez? Apparently based on your ranking, you do think
Speaker 1: he can keep going this going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm I'm a fan. I think, uh,
Speaker 3: I think Ota Lopez there's I mean, I feel like
Speaker 3: he's I mean, I was gonna say he's probably in
Speaker 3: the running for getting into the top two any overall
Speaker 3: for next year, but I think he probably has to
Speaker 3: have a pretty big second half for that to happen,
Speaker 3: because he actually, I mean, in reality, he probably feels
Speaker 3: like he might be underrated next year. But anyway, for
Speaker 3: this year, yeah, I mean he's doing every I mean,
Speaker 3: he's hitting the ball as well as anyone, like you look,
Speaker 3: you look at guys around the field like I was.
Speaker 3: I was actually noticing how well Jonathan Arenada was hitting
Speaker 3: the ball when I was looking at guys who were
Speaker 3: close to making into the top one hundred but ended
Speaker 3: up falling short.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Ado Lopez was hitting the ball as well
Speaker 3: as anyone. I mean a good hard hit, solid solid speed,
Speaker 3: obviously stealing you know, potentially stealing thirty bags this year
Speaker 3: on pace too at least, and hitting you know, like
Speaker 3: fifteen homers, fifteen thirty and with the solid contact hitting
Speaker 3: probably you know, at were I want to say, three
Speaker 3: point fifteen. So yeah, I mean he looks great. An
Speaker 3: a Lopez fan, I'll you know, I'm I'm definitely one
Speaker 3: of the few guys I got right on a lot
Speaker 3: of my Mixed league teams. I drafted him just about everywhere.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I like Gotto Lopez a lot. I don't
Speaker 3: I do think, you know, the upside on the power
Speaker 3: is probably somewhat low. I mean, he's not I don't
Speaker 3: think he's gonna suddenly break out and become like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, like Kettle Marte or something, Cautel Marte. I
Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna do that necessarily. He's not gonna
Speaker 3: become a twenty seven homer hitter. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: fifteen homers with thirty steel speed and a three fifteen
Speaker 3: plus average that moves the needle. Man, It's it's solid.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like him too.
Speaker 1: He is part of my you know, only team that
Speaker 1: is performing well. Actually, I got an offer while we're
Speaker 1: recording this by I got I actually put him on
Speaker 1: the trade block because I have a lot of stone
Speaker 1: bases and I need to grab some power. I was
Speaker 1: sent to a trade offer Auto Lopez for Luis Garcia
Speaker 1: Junior's see, it's a fair offer from a power for
Speaker 1: speed standpoint. I think I will probably just keep on
Speaker 1: a Lopez, though, because I am not not a huge
Speaker 1: believer in Luis Garcia or I.
Speaker 3: I know you like him, but I didn't make that
Speaker 3: trade offer, by the way, you did not. I see, uh,
Speaker 3: I see someone send a thing with like guys on
Speaker 3: the block or or or these categories are needed. I
Speaker 3: see those emails and I automatically block the center. I
Speaker 3: don't take well. I don't like those emails. I don't
Speaker 3: know why. I just I you know what I feel like.
Speaker 3: If you're like, that's like when someone reaches out to
Speaker 3: me and they're like, oh, hey, what will you give
Speaker 3: me for this player? I'm like, why don't you just
Speaker 3: offer a trade? Like you you want me to do
Speaker 3: the work? Like why am I? Why am I in
Speaker 3: charge of doing the work for you? Man?
Speaker 1: Anyway, I feel like you just complained about both sides
Speaker 1: of the trade market.
Speaker 2: You're just complaining because somebody tells you what they're looking for.
Speaker 2: If they're looking for the trade.
Speaker 1: But then you also said I don't like it when
Speaker 1: people come to me and ask me, So basically, you
Speaker 1: just don't like trading.
Speaker 3: Ray, you can just say that I still like I
Speaker 3: just don't like talking.
Speaker 1: If you want to sing Gray very lopside of trade,
Speaker 1: he will sit on it for a month, come back,
Speaker 1: notice there's a trade, and then maybe accepted that. That's
Speaker 1: the way that it works with Gray. That's that's the
Speaker 1: way it's always worked with Gray. Uh as somebody who
Speaker 1: is in multiple leagues with him. And if you if
Speaker 1: you text him in maybe like three weeks instead of
Speaker 1: a full month, but it's still gonna take some time.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get those stats.
Speaker 3: Yea better you have a better chance of commenting on
Speaker 3: my post and being like, hey, what do you think
Speaker 3: of this trade? And I'd be like, that's a pretty
Speaker 3: good trade. You'd be like, okay, well I just sentence you,
Speaker 3: so maybe you accept it.
Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 1: So yes, I'll have to look at that trade for myself.
Speaker 1: But we can move off of that Gray. I always
Speaker 1: like putting in those like what I'm looking for in
Speaker 1: because it makes.
Speaker 2: It very clear that I want a specific set of.
Speaker 1: Skills, you know, pull my pull, my best taken and
Speaker 1: just go after what I need Gray, because in that
Speaker 1: league I have like I'm like forty stolen bases second,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's crazy how much steals I don't need.
Speaker 1: So I would like to trade that in for something
Speaker 1: I would like to have, which is either power.
Speaker 2: Or some pitching.
Speaker 1: But yeah, when you have this Nunez in a only league,
Speaker 1: you're you're pretty set on the stone base.
Speaker 3: I did, actually I did offer. Uh, there's a in
Speaker 3: our in my labor league, in twelve team next league. Someone, Uh,
Speaker 3: someone's in first place and I'm in I think I
Speaker 3: want to say like fourth. Maybe I don't know, I'm
Speaker 3: in like fourth place. And I did. I did d
Speaker 3: M them, and I said, I will trade my entire
Speaker 3: team for your entire team if you want to do that.
Speaker 3: It didn't work, though I would have. I would have
Speaker 3: done that trade. But no one, no one's doing that.
Speaker 1: I guess, No, Greg, I won't trade you by my
Speaker 1: perch league team for your Perch League team or my
Speaker 1: only team for your team.
Speaker 2: Uh, if you want to, hey, how we could do that?
Speaker 2: You know I'm good to that one.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about something that is also up in the air,
Speaker 1: which is Byron Buxton injuries. At any point in time
Speaker 1: you slotted him at fifty in the rankings.
Speaker 2: Is this pre injury post injury?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because Byron Buxton can do crazy things
Speaker 1: and limited time. What's your thoughts here on Buckston coming
Speaker 1: in right at the midway mark of.
Speaker 3: The fifty spot. I think I actually I might have
Speaker 3: moved him. I might have moved him down a little
Speaker 3: bit from higher than fifty even after the il, so
Speaker 3: that that is post injury the fifty spot for his ranking.
Speaker 3: It was it was the last option, you said, whereas
Speaker 3: like Byron Buston can do so well in such a
Speaker 3: little amount of time that it's like you're the injuries
Speaker 3: already baked in. So whether or not this actually makes
Speaker 3: any sense or not. I actually looked at like, you know,
Speaker 3: him starting the second half on the eye as like, well,
Speaker 3: he's getting that I el stint out of the way,
Speaker 3: and you know he's gonna be well rested for the
Speaker 3: second half, So I you know, for better or worse,
Speaker 3: I feel like at some point you were gonna get
Speaker 3: a Buckston I el stint, so you know, maybe it's
Speaker 3: out of the way now, and you know you have
Speaker 3: a solid second half to look forward to. I think
Speaker 3: it's mostly like you know, his his per game stats
Speaker 3: are just so good that like you know, if you
Speaker 3: know you only get sixty games in the second half,
Speaker 3: like you know, or fifty, it's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a really good fifty or sixty game. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I think he's still I think he's still
Speaker 3: worth that ranking easily. Really, I mean he's another guy
Speaker 3: who's like, I don't know where he let's see Byron
Speaker 3: Buxton on the Player Raider. I think he's probably pretty high, right,
Speaker 3: top thirty, yeah, top thirty. Yeah, he's top thirty, and
Speaker 3: I ranked him at fifty. So yeah, I think that's
Speaker 3: pretty fair. I mean he's at this point like with
Speaker 3: someone like Buxton, I you know, I feel like I
Speaker 3: also another guy we haven't talked about or maybe you
Speaker 3: have him further in the uh in the outline, but
Speaker 3: Michael Harris the second too, like Byron Buckson, Michael Hare's
Speaker 3: a second at this point, like Michael Harris a second
Speaker 3: a little bit more so than even Byron Buckston. But
Speaker 3: they've come around in my mind, I've I've accepted who
Speaker 3: they are and like I like, I like them both
Speaker 3: for what they are. And Michael Harris a second I
Speaker 3: think even more so than Buckston because Buckston was always
Speaker 3: like I believed in Buxton, but I always felt like
Speaker 3: the injury, the injuries are the risk, and they still are.
Speaker 3: But when Michael Harris a second, I think I've actually,
Speaker 3: you know, come on him where I think Michael Harris
Speaker 3: a second actually is the guy who everyone for the
Speaker 3: longest time thought he was Like, you know, I think
Speaker 3: there was a long period of time there where he
Speaker 3: was not as good as people were saying he was
Speaker 3: gonna be. But now Michael Harris a second does look
Speaker 3: he looks as good as everyone thought he was gonna be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've pulled a sharver around a few people, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of kind of changing your your long standing beliefs
Speaker 1: on them.
Speaker 2: Glad to see you're on the Michael Harris train.
Speaker 1: I always felt like it was just he needed to
Speaker 1: move up in the batting order to make his fantasy
Speaker 1: draft Bryce makes sense. And he's done that, Like the
Speaker 1: Braves have finally realized you shouldn't actually have Ozzy Albi's
Speaker 1: at the top of the order regularly and also Ronald
Speaker 1: the Cooney not being there allows for some some movement
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, I like Michael Harris in addition
Speaker 1: to Byron Buckston. Let's do some guys who are probably
Speaker 1: if they're on your team, you're probably struggling a little bit,
Speaker 1: and that is Manny Machado, Kyle Tucker, and vlat Gerrera Junior.
Speaker 1: Just talk about these three as a whole, because they're
Speaker 1: kind of all the same. I mean, at least Mandy's
Speaker 1: hitting for power, he's the only one with home runs.
Speaker 2: They're all hitting for a disappointing average.
Speaker 1: And everything's pretty disappointing on these three. They're still ranked
Speaker 1: here Gray. I'm assuming this is all based on what
Speaker 1: they've done in their past though, because many Machado maybe
Speaker 1: you can say a little bit of babbit, but the
Speaker 1: other two just do not look good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I would say so. Manny Machado, I think
Speaker 3: is probably my one of my biggest second half buys
Speaker 3: because like you said, like he is mostly babbit, So
Speaker 3: I Manny Machado. Aside, I think Machado's actually doing fairly
Speaker 3: well outside of average, and the averag ridges a lot
Speaker 3: to do with the Babbitt and so I would say
Speaker 3: you could buy him pretty pretty easily. And I like
Speaker 3: that Vlad and Tucker. Lad and Kyle Tucker are bigger issues.
Speaker 3: They're yeah, so Vlad. And by the way, they're ranked
Speaker 3: like you said, I mean almost entirely on track record,
Speaker 3: like they didn't do anything in the in the first half.
Speaker 3: Really to you know, afford them the graciousness of me
Speaker 3: ranking them where I did, but I did. I'm a
Speaker 3: I'm a better person than them, Okay, I say with
Speaker 3: Vlad specifically, you know, he's he's shown the ability, like
Speaker 3: you know, even in the playoffs last year, Like he's
Speaker 3: shown the ability to hit like, you know, twelve homers
Speaker 3: in like ten games and have like monster months. So
Speaker 3: I'm still you know, I don't think it's necessarily gonna
Speaker 3: come this year. I think it's really like he's got
Speaker 3: a I think he's got a bad back, and I
Speaker 3: think it's really uh, you know, I think it's hurting
Speaker 3: his power. But maybe the break, this All Star break,
Speaker 3: maybe he gets a cortizone shot in his back and
Speaker 3: he comes back after the break and he is good again.
Speaker 3: Because I still think Vlad ken have like a huge
Speaker 3: month or two, whether he does or not. You know,
Speaker 3: it's up to him. I can only do so much.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: With Kyle Tucker, on the other hand, he's he is
Speaker 3: pretty concerning because like, you know, his strikeouts are up,
Speaker 3: like he like, I watched a decent amount of Dodgers games.
Speaker 3: He just does not seem interested in being like, you know,
Speaker 3: whatever's going on in La, he doesn't care. He doesn't
Speaker 3: seem like it just seems like he's you know, he's
Speaker 3: become you know, because there's so many stars around him,
Speaker 3: he's just sort of become like, you know, a bit
Speaker 3: of a wallflower as far as like you know, the spotlight.
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, like I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: he doesn't seem he doesn't seem like he's, uh, he's
Speaker 3: having the best of times there. And you know, his
Speaker 3: numbers are really pretty bad. But you know, as far
Speaker 3: as track record goes, I mean, he does have as
Speaker 3: good a track record as anyone. So I'm hoping Kyle
Speaker 3: Tucker can have another solid, you know, a solid month
Speaker 3: or two. And you know, for a second half, for
Speaker 3: a guy to be good in the second half, all
Speaker 3: he needs is like, you know, a good solid like
Speaker 3: six weeks really, So yeah, I you know, I'm still
Speaker 3: holding out hope in Kyle Tucker, but I do, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, his his hard hit is decent. I mean
Speaker 3: there's a few things to look at with Kyle Tucker
Speaker 3: where it's like, Okay, you know, maybe he's not as
Speaker 3: bad as uh as he seems, but it's it's been
Speaker 3: a struggle for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have not loved the Kyle Tucker that we're getting
Speaker 1: this year, and to some extent, it's kind of carried
Speaker 1: over from what he was doing in the second half
Speaker 1: last year. The bat speeds down, fast wing rates down,
Speaker 1: after Jackson wallsty heart hit, everything is kind of down
Speaker 1: from where he's always been since the second half of
Speaker 1: last year. So to some extent, I wonder if something's
Speaker 1: wrong with him that he just didn't want to address
Speaker 1: in his free agent off season and ruin his payday
Speaker 1: because the numbers do not look the same after the
Speaker 1: first half of last year to now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's fair And I know you have it
Speaker 3: in the outline you were gonna you had. Where do
Speaker 3: they go next year? I you know, I Kyle Tucker
Speaker 3: is like, he is a tough one for me to
Speaker 3: even imagine where he goes year like Manny, I think
Speaker 3: it's gonna drop to like probably sixty or seventy next year,
Speaker 3: even if he has a good second half, unless he
Speaker 3: has an amazing second half, but more than likely because
Speaker 3: Manny was already like thirty this year, not age, I
Speaker 3: mean ADP. He was around thirty to forty this year.
Speaker 3: ADP sixty sounds about right for Manny next year, with
Speaker 3: you know the figuring, assuming you know the age is
Speaker 3: a factor, and this down year, you know, he's not
Speaker 3: gonna be allowed to even if he has a insane
Speaker 3: second half, he's only gonna get his average up to
Speaker 3: like two fifty or something. So yeah, I would say many,
Speaker 3: probably sixty FLAD. I would say, you know, if Lad
Speaker 3: seems to bounce around with ADP, like one year he's
Speaker 3: like in the top twenty, next year he's like around
Speaker 3: thirty to forty, I think next year is gonna be
Speaker 3: the thirty to forty year. He seems to bounce back
Speaker 3: and forth between you know, thirty to forty and twelve
Speaker 3: to twenty, somewhere in that range. So yeah, I would
Speaker 3: say Lad probably in the thirty to forty range next year.
Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker, I don't know, I have no idea like
Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker feels like he could be potentially like around
Speaker 3: where like you know, Yelich went this year. Maybe, I
Speaker 3: mean maybe like eighty. I mean, Kyle Tucker is gonna
Speaker 3: fall massively in ADP. I would think, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I mean, where would you be in Kyle Tucker seventy five?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking he probably goes on that seventy
Speaker 1: five to one hundred range where you kind of get
Speaker 1: the upside, you get the aging veterans like that feels
Speaker 1: like the right area for him. But again, it's gonna
Speaker 1: depend quite a bit on his second half this year
Speaker 1: and kind of what what he can do, because if
Speaker 1: he just looks like what he did in the first half,
Speaker 1: it may be closer to that hundred and not not
Speaker 1: the tewenty five number. And you know, there's some back
Speaker 1: issues he's having right now. So Becka heard him. For
Speaker 1: this year, it's it's a concern. I think it's seventy
Speaker 1: five one hundred just based on what he does the
Speaker 1: rest of season. You know, if he comes back and
Speaker 1: has old school Kyle Tecker things, then maybe that moves up.
Speaker 1: But at this point I don't necessarily see old school
Speaker 1: Cayle Tucker walking through the doors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think if he has, if he has
Speaker 3: a solid second half, probably in the forty to fifty
Speaker 3: range next year. Even if he has even that's even
Speaker 3: with a solid second half, I think if he has
Speaker 3: a poor one, I mean it's like where taoscar maybe
Speaker 3: was this year, potentially in drafts if he has, if
Speaker 3: he has an awful second half, like if he basically
Speaker 3: comes out in the first week and you know, cracks
Speaker 3: open his shin and misses like two months of the
Speaker 3: second half, I want to be shy to see Kyle
Speaker 3: Tucker go with like one twenty overall next year. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's there's a chance he's uh, he's he's on the
Speaker 3: like he's on the it feels like he's on the
Speaker 3: Chris Bryant arc of his career right now. And that's
Speaker 3: not good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really hope that's not the case. I love both
Speaker 1: those players. I've I've liked them both since they started.
Speaker 1: It was really sad to watch Kyle Tucker go the
Speaker 1: same way as Chris Bryant has.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my Dynasty League this year is just it's a
Speaker 2: it's destroying players.
Speaker 1: Gray I was, I was fourth last year, I just
Speaker 1: needed some pitching, so I went and got pitching, and
Speaker 1: my bats all stopped performing. I had Tis, I had
Speaker 1: cal Rawley jass Chishom, who was terrible to beginning of
Speaker 1: the year. I have Kyle Tucker is a Tyler sh
Speaker 1: Strong who has been hurt for missing games.
Speaker 2: Just been it's been a tough year for my dynasty team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's uh, it sounds like the
Speaker 3: Dodgers in general, the uh, the Oscar, Kyle Tucker, and
Speaker 3: Mookie Betts. It's like, oh, Freddie Freeman too, like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: when Otani is the young guy, they better hope they
Speaker 3: win this year because they might be looking at a rebuild.
Speaker 3: Might be a lot closer, uh than we anticipate with
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, because yeah, I mean I was watching. I
Speaker 3: know it's just one game, but like on Saturday, like,
Speaker 3: Mookie Bets looks like he got old, Kyle Tuker looks terrible.
Speaker 3: Freddy Freeman is like Freddie Freeman's out there, like you know,
Speaker 3: he's on he's on the he's on the phone, he's
Speaker 3: on first base. He's he's on the phone with his
Speaker 3: wife and they're discussing, like you know, where to send
Speaker 3: their kids to high school. Like it's like they're it's
Speaker 3: I mean, they have gotten like the team has gotten old.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I almost wonder like if you pull it up Tommy
Speaker 1: out if something happens to him, and I do not
Speaker 1: want that to happen, but if it does, do they
Speaker 1: kind of go the way that the Yankees lineup is
Speaker 1: gone without Judge, where you're like, you know what this is.
Speaker 2: This is a pretty terrible lineup and they're not scoring
Speaker 2: any runs anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I know, it's true. It's they're not far
Speaker 3: from that. Really, it's like they've definitely hit a a
Speaker 3: aging veterans wall of like, oh wow, these guys are
Speaker 3: you know when when Blake's now and Tyler glasnow are
Speaker 3: the young chickens that are in the roost waiting to
Speaker 3: come in and give you a revitalization, Like, oh man,
Speaker 3: you know it's like the only guy under thirty I
Speaker 3: think is Dalton Rush and everyone hates him for being
Speaker 3: under thirty.
Speaker 2: I think, hope you're buying any pie he's under thirty.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about some young guys.
Speaker 1: Gray, you're buying the young shortstops JJ Weatherhille and Kevin McGonagall.
Speaker 1: They're both ranked here for you above their Player Raiders spot.
Speaker 1: Is it that you're really buying them or is it
Speaker 1: there's kind of a drop off at some point nobody
Speaker 1: else really earned any kind of bump here.
Speaker 2: They've been solid by like rookie standards.
Speaker 1: Like they've been good by rookie standards, but like from
Speaker 1: a fantasy numbers perspective, it's not an overly exciting profile
Speaker 1: from either of them. JJS thirteen nine, two fifty nine
Speaker 1: mcgonagall's eight eleven to eighty three numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I know, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's like at a certain point
Speaker 3: the second half top one hundred, it's like, oh, Kevin
Speaker 3: mcgonaga or Jake Berger, who was nowhere near the top
Speaker 3: one hundred, Like, you know, like there is there's some
Speaker 3: room maneuvering here. I think, uh, you know, both of them,
Speaker 3: McGonagall and Weatherhold both were top one hundred guys in
Speaker 3: the first half on the Player Raider they were they're
Speaker 3: also you know, young with upside. McGonagall I feel like
Speaker 3: has a little bit less upside, but it is a
Speaker 3: little bit more stable and Weatherhold has. You know, I
Speaker 3: think a lot more upside than we've even seen, and
Speaker 3: he had a solid first half, so I you know,
Speaker 3: I think it's a balance of upside versus what, you know,
Speaker 3: what they actually did this first half, which was good.
Speaker 3: So you know, they had a good first half, top
Speaker 3: one hundred first half and uh, you know, solid I
Speaker 3: think with upside.
Speaker 1: Okay, And one of the reason to break up their
Speaker 1: ranks is right between them on the play Raider, but
Speaker 1: later in the ranks as Zader Edwards who sticks and
Speaker 1: runs stole basis three h three. Maybe not quite as
Speaker 1: loud in regards to the upside, but from a play
Speaker 1: Raider standpoint, I mean Edwards has done what you need
Speaker 1: him to do last two seasons. Is he is he
Speaker 1: getting a little bit punished here because he's just that
Speaker 1: he hasn't shown necessarily vertical upside yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. You know, I didn't realize, you know,
Speaker 3: when I wrote I wrote these last week. Obviously for
Speaker 3: us to be discussing them now and for them to
Speaker 3: be on the Patreon you know, last week. So I
Speaker 3: wrote them last week, I didn't realize. I mean, there
Speaker 3: was no way to realize that actually because it wasn't
Speaker 3: the case yet, but I didn't realize a mechanical weather
Speaker 3: Holt were right next to each other on the playwright. Well,
Speaker 3: you mentioned Edwards was between them, but I mean they are.
Speaker 3: They literally did exactly the same as far as the
Speaker 3: as far as the player raider is concerned, I was
Speaker 3: just I was just I was amusing myself by looking
Speaker 3: at the player raider. Just now. Sorry anyway, Yes, Edwards
Speaker 3: just does not have the huge upside is really the
Speaker 3: only thing. I think, you know, Edwards is also a
Speaker 3: bit of a category play with like you know Edwards
Speaker 3: or Nacium Nunez, you know, like, Okay, I mean Edwards
Speaker 3: is gonna hit for a better average and he has
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit of pop not much. I mean,
Speaker 3: coming into the year, I think we probably assumed he
Speaker 3: was gonna hit less than three homers, even though he
Speaker 3: now has six. But yeah, I mean I think Edwards
Speaker 3: is just mostly steals with some average, whereas like you know,
Speaker 3: the other guys weather Holt and mcconagal, you know, they
Speaker 3: they have more five category upside, which I don't think
Speaker 3: Edwards has. So yeah, that's it. I mean, but Edwards
Speaker 3: is fine, if you need steals an average, I'm fine
Speaker 3: with Edwards.
Speaker 1: Okay, makes sense great. I just wanted to see where
Speaker 1: where the thinking was on that one. Believe to understand
Speaker 1: you know you are shooting for upside when you are
Speaker 1: ranking at some point seven catchers in your top one
Speaker 1: hundred gray where you abducted, are you okay?
Speaker 2: Like three times? If you need help?
Speaker 3: What you know? Honestly? So I look at catchers like this,
Speaker 3: like if ben Rice is gonna hit uh, you know
Speaker 3: the same stats as like you know a like as
Speaker 3: a like Matt Olsen, Like if Ben Rice and Matt
Speaker 3: Olson are gonna have the same stats, like I'm fine
Speaker 3: with ranking ben Rice around Matt Olson, Like it's never
Speaker 3: it was never like, oh, deducted guy because he's a catcher.
Speaker 3: Was deduct deducted him because he was a catcher, and
Speaker 3: that meant he was gonna lose at bats. But these
Speaker 3: guys are like, these guys are doing stuff that like
Speaker 3: I feel like we haven't seen maybe ever or at
Speaker 3: least in some time, because they're all basically like all
Speaker 3: the like ben Rice, Hunter Goodman, Dylan Dingler, Shey Langle, Leers, Contreras,
Speaker 3: Baldwin and cal Rowley, they're all getting like decent amount
Speaker 3: of DH time. Some of those guys I mentioned are
Speaker 3: getting first base time. They're all getting a ton of
Speaker 3: at bats, and you know, I think and like Liam Hicks,
Speaker 3: who I didn't even who I didn't even include in
Speaker 3: my top one hundred, he's also getting first base at
Speaker 3: bats and some DH at bats. So it's like, if
Speaker 3: these guys are doing like if they're getting the same
Speaker 3: stats as like, you know, I don't know, say like
Speaker 3: Bryce Harper, if they're getting the same status as Bryce Harper,
Speaker 3: then why wouldn't you you know, why wouldn't you rank
Speaker 3: him by a Bryce Harper? You know? The My biggest
Speaker 3: concern always was, like, you know, a lot of them
Speaker 3: would be like, oh, catcher only at bats. So if
Speaker 3: you're getting catcher only at bats and that that hurts
Speaker 3: your bottom line. So yeah, I mean, I you know,
Speaker 3: cal Rawley probably is the only one really that's in
Speaker 3: my top one hundred. That's super debatable because like as
Speaker 3: far at least, what I think is because like he
Speaker 3: had a terrible first half, so that is more of like,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe he can have that huge second half
Speaker 3: like he had, you know, somewhat like he had last year,
Speaker 3: because like he has been, cal Rawley's been brutal. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's been awful. I think he's like, you know, I
Speaker 3: think cal Holy basically is like, you know, as bad
Speaker 3: as any catcher you know in on the Player Raider,
Speaker 3: Like he's just awful right now. He's he's around four
Speaker 3: hundred overall on the Player Raider, you know, so obviously,
Speaker 3: so cal Rawley had a brutal first half. But you know,
Speaker 3: a flyer on him, I think in the top one
Speaker 3: hundred isn't I don't think that's the worst flyers you
Speaker 3: can make. Like maybe he comes out well rested, he
Speaker 3: gets you know, he gets it out of his head
Speaker 3: that he had such a brutal first half. Uh, and he's, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, he's good in the second half. And if
Speaker 3: he's good in the second half, he's the type of
Speaker 3: guy who could hit twenty homers in the second half.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's a decent flyer. But he
Speaker 3: has been awful. I mean, that's he's been no joke, terrible,
Speaker 3: And that was one you know. I mean I think
Speaker 3: we I think me and you both were like, don't
Speaker 3: draft cal Rawley in the preseason I mean that was
Speaker 3: that was pretty clearly one to avoid. But on the
Speaker 3: other hand, I also said, don't draft Ben Rice, and
Speaker 3: this is you know, I mean, so you know, given
Speaker 3: you take a little bit here, but yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it depends on when you checked in on my
Speaker 3: rankings for Ben Rice.
Speaker 1: I was, I like, by force put him lower, and
Speaker 1: then as I kept making my rankings, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't make any sense that he kept moving higher
Speaker 1: and higher, and eventually I was actually maybe one of
Speaker 1: the highest people on him. So it really depends on
Speaker 1: when he checks Ben Rice with me. I will say
Speaker 1: one of my kind of long term sayings has always been,
Speaker 1: if you want to find the best second or the
Speaker 1: best catchers for the second half, is to look at
Speaker 1: who struggled in the first half and vi especially in
Speaker 1: regards to who was good who's going to be bad.
Speaker 1: So from that perspective, I would not be surprised at
Speaker 1: all if cal Rawley is healthy, the oblique and the
Speaker 1: side are fine, and he actually does kind of maybe
Speaker 1: even the top catcher the rest of season, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: and like Ben Rice, like Leiers, good Men Hicks who
Speaker 1: isn't on your list but probably deserves to be. You know,
Speaker 1: they are getting time outside of catcher that certainly helps
Speaker 1: with just that daily grind of of playing catcher, but
Speaker 1: they're still getting a lot of time behind the plate,
Speaker 1: which is kind of what tends to to hurt catcher
Speaker 1: season's long term.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like these catchers you mentioned.
Speaker 1: I would probably have them a little bit lower than
Speaker 1: you because of simple fact, but they have all just
Speaker 1: they have all performed and deserved the spots where you have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know. It's uh, it's been a time
Speaker 3: where I think, uh, you know, I think we were
Speaker 3: talking about this in the preseason, like first base is
Speaker 3: pretty weak in general, and uh, you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of catchers have been picking up like first base at bats,
Speaker 3: and you know, and d h's have pretty weak too,
Speaker 3: and and these catchers have been picking up d H
Speaker 3: at bats. And yeah, I mean if a guy's like
Speaker 3: you know, like a Dylan Dingler, I mean, if he's
Speaker 3: getting at bats, which you know he has been, if
Speaker 3: he's getting them and he's hitting for powers like you
Speaker 3: can't I mean, it's hard to argue with some of
Speaker 3: these guys, I think versus like, you know, some of
Speaker 3: the guys who are at a at a at a
Speaker 3: place where like they're not getting the other but like
Speaker 3: k bert Ruiz for instance, like he's been fine as
Speaker 3: a but he's like more in the model of like
Speaker 3: the old catchers where it's like he's just getting catcher
Speaker 3: at bats, he's not getting anything else, or like you know,
Speaker 3: Carson Kelly or like even like the Gabriel Marino who
Speaker 3: I saw on Saturday. Yeah, I mean, you know, so
Speaker 3: there's still guys who are getting the catcher only at bats,
Speaker 3: and you know, and they've and there's still and those
Speaker 3: guys who I just mentioned have been I mean they've
Speaker 3: been decent for just catchers, like they have positive value
Speaker 3: on the player raider. But you know, some of these
Speaker 3: other guys, I mean, like you know, Hunter Goodman has
Speaker 3: three hundred and seventy two play appearances versus like you know,
Speaker 3: k bert Ruiz, who has two hundred and nine. I
Speaker 3: mean that's like, you know, one hundred and seventy played
Speaker 3: appearance is almost of a difference. It's huge. You can't
Speaker 3: I mean, that value is like you can't, you can't
Speaker 3: come close to that. If a guy is getting that
Speaker 3: many at bats or that many of play appearances, he'll
Speaker 3: get so many more runs in RBIs just by virtue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I will say like we heard all
Speaker 1: like I remember growing up and like, oh a, all
Speaker 1: have dedicated DA that's why their offenses are better.
Speaker 2: But I feel like now.
Speaker 1: That the league has designated or has a DH across
Speaker 1: the board, yeah, there's there's so there's so limited d
Speaker 1: H only players because they're they're using them to fill
Speaker 1: other places, backups and everything to become it by default
Speaker 1: because there's an extra one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, totally.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's a good point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like the you know, like if you look at
Speaker 5: like the the Rangers, like it's like they're because I
Speaker 5: just thought of them, because they're one of the few
Speaker 5: teams uh or even I guess the Pirates they have.
Speaker 3: Ozuna uh and the Rangers have what you call it,
Speaker 3: Jack Jack Peterson. Like there's there's just so few teams
Speaker 3: that you can point at and be like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: that guy is a d H every day. So you know,
Speaker 3: but like you know, like Texas, like you know, uh,
Speaker 3: they have a more of an old school catcher situation
Speaker 3: because that Jack Peterson's always d hing. So like Higgashoki
Speaker 3: is like you know, he's got one hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: three played appearances and he's leading the Rangers right now.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I mean, it's not like he's great,
Speaker 3: but like that's it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like the catcher at bats because like they're they're
Speaker 3: more spread out because he's not getting Higgashoki. It is
Speaker 3: not like he's ever gonna get DH at bats because
Speaker 3: Jack Peterson, and he's not getting first base at bats
Speaker 3: because he doesn't play first base. But you have Danny
Speaker 3: Janssen there, Elias Diaz, like you have other arranger catchers
Speaker 3: who are getting at bats, so it's more spread out,
Speaker 3: so there's less fantasy value there. You know, not that
Speaker 3: those guys ever would be good, but you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, it's like when a guy has a when
Speaker 3: a team has a designated DH, it changes it changes
Speaker 3: the dynamic of like how much they're going to use
Speaker 3: their catcher as a DH.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if they're not, you know, a great DH,
Speaker 1: it really does kind of feel like a waste of
Speaker 1: a roster spot to not have somebody who can help
Speaker 1: in the field. Speaking of guys who aren't hoping, Gray,
Speaker 1: I have to ask what these guys are doing on.
Speaker 2: This list at all, Rickey Bets woy Bets.
Speaker 1: We talked about Mickey Moniac and Jeedy Pino also on
Speaker 1: this list.
Speaker 3: Making Moniac has been making. Moniac's been so good in
Speaker 3: a pro pro rate, like a per game situation. Moniac's
Speaker 3: been solid.
Speaker 1: No, I mean he's been fine. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he deserves the spot in the top one hundred. If
Speaker 1: I'm from being honest, here.
Speaker 3: Might I might have a special place in my making
Speaker 3: moniac heart. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been very solid, but it's still rocky.
Speaker 1: There's there's talk of trade with him.
Speaker 2: It feels like there's probably somebody else who.
Speaker 1: Should Yeah, you know, maybe Liam Hicks just just thrown
Speaker 1: out Liam.
Speaker 2: You're gonna throw a bunch of other catchers on here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we should have more catchers. That's what my
Speaker 3: less needs. Yeah, man, more catchers, that's what we need. Uh,
Speaker 3: let's see, I'm looking at per game. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he's solid per game. I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3: It's like, uh, definitely definitely could have went a different way.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not arguing with Mickey Moniac, I guess, but
Speaker 3: he has been decent per game as good as Michael
Speaker 3: Harris a second and Aaron Judge specifically, and a little
Speaker 3: bit better than Jackson Churio. But yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: I get it. I am actually Mickey Moniac. I you know,
Speaker 3: I am a little bit concerned if he gets traded.
Speaker 3: There is a little bit of an in there. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean hopefully he doesn't get traded because that would
Speaker 3: kind of hurt us what you call his value. So yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm I'm not gonna disagree with that. Jeremy Payne,
Speaker 3: I think was I think he's just been injured, so
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't know. I feel like Jeremy Payne
Speaker 3: is fine if he's healthy, and you know, coming out
Speaker 3: of the break, he should be healthy. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: as far as me knowing how healthy a guy is
Speaker 3: going to be, but he is, you know, coming off
Speaker 3: the il, and he's supposedly healthy. So if Jeremy Payne
Speaker 3: is healthy, I I think he's worth a top one
Speaker 3: hundred pick.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I don't have as much problem with
Speaker 1: Jeremy Payne as is specifically Murky and then Moniac just
Speaker 1: it feels like he hasn't quite earned it. But like
Speaker 1: you said on a per game he's been fine. I
Speaker 1: will say kind of like the the injury history is
Speaker 1: definitely part of his equation too. I mean he's never
Speaker 1: played one hundred and forty games, so that's that's factored
Speaker 1: in for me as well. Yeah, this is also like,
Speaker 1: so this is not obviously, this is not what the
Speaker 1: rankings are gonna look like for the preseason next year.
Speaker 3: But I will say with like Mookie Bets specifically, this
Speaker 3: does feel like the the end. This is not doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like the beginning of the end. This feels like
Speaker 3: the end of like where he is ever in the
Speaker 3: top one hundred, Like if he doesn't do something this
Speaker 3: second half, Like I feel like there's just no way
Speaker 3: to get Mookie Bets in the top one hundred next year,
Speaker 3: which is crazy. I mean he's I mean he's been
Speaker 3: you know, he's been great for his whole career. It's
Speaker 3: been a long time now that he has been solid.
Speaker 3: But I can't I can't imagine Mookie Bets making it
Speaker 3: into the top one hundred next year, you know, like
Speaker 3: maybe around like where Brandon Nemo goes usually like one
Speaker 3: twenty to one forty range.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even think it's that. I don't even
Speaker 2: think it's that.
Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, it hadn't been like the sixty
Speaker 1: to seventy range this year, and I should have just
Speaker 1: buried him even further. I'm not gonna draft looking backs again.
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's yeah, I mean it's really hard to uh,
Speaker 3: it's hard to see where, like, it's hard to see
Speaker 3: where it's coming where he's coming out of this because
Speaker 3: like his numbers are bad. I mean, right now, it's
Speaker 3: like he had he has eleven homers, one steal, and
Speaker 3: he's hitting two thirty five and he looks terrible. He
Speaker 3: literally he really looks kind of cooked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does not look good.
Speaker 1: I mean, on the positive side, the hard hits up slightly,
Speaker 1: jackson velacidity is up slightly, but everything else pretty much
Speaker 1: in line. He's not swinging any faster, so he's slower. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you make a strong case for him
Speaker 3: not even being in the top two hundred, And.
Speaker 1: I just don't know where the value comes from, and
Speaker 1: especially if they're like eventually the Dodgers can't let him
Speaker 1: be in the top of the lineup, Like he has
Speaker 1: to move he cannot hit two thirty five sub three
Speaker 1: hundred OVP, no power, no speed, and stay at the
Speaker 1: top of a world series continuing lineup.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy is I wrote a Mookie Bets
Speaker 3: schmohawk post in the preseason. I e. Mookie Bets is overrated.
Speaker 3: I wrote that in the preseason of this year, and
Speaker 3: so that means so you know, well, you know, I
Speaker 3: pat myself on the back, but that also means that
Speaker 3: he was being overrated, which is great, which you know,
Speaker 3: because I I don't write those for like guys who
Speaker 3: are being drafted like you know, late enough where it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Like that means he was probably being drafted
Speaker 3: in like the top fifty or top forty.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, he was going third round pretty pretty consistently
Speaker 1: in the drafts.
Speaker 3: Crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Crazy people told me I was crazy for putting in
Speaker 1: the sixties seventies and overall, like I put him there
Speaker 1: based on complete respect for him as a person, nothing, nothing,
Speaker 1: due to the fact that he is still good fantasy
Speaker 1: based that put him at the lowest possible spot where
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get him. But it still didn't look like
Speaker 1: I was being too crazy. That should have just been crazy.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Well that's always see, that's always the thing that the
Speaker 3: calculus that's involved when you're doing rankings, because it's like
Speaker 3: you don't want to look too crazy, because when you
Speaker 3: look too crazy, people were like because like I could
Speaker 3: have I could have ranked cal Raleigh at like one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty overall because I was never drafting him,
Speaker 3: but I put him at like thirty or something because
Speaker 3: he was going at twenty. So I just ranked him
Speaker 3: like late enough where it's like, well, no one's drafting
Speaker 3: him there he's going at like fifteen overall in some leagues,
Speaker 3: like I have him at you know, thirty or forty overall.
Speaker 3: Wherever I put cal Rawley and it was like, you know,
Speaker 3: that's late enough. Where I've made my point that like,
Speaker 3: don't draft him. But I could have easily put him
Speaker 3: at one fifty. But the problem is it's the calculus
Speaker 3: of like if I put him at one fifty, people
Speaker 3: are gonna be like, oh, this guy's crazy crazy. They
Speaker 3: would have been like, oh, no, I'm disregarding everything he's
Speaker 3: saying because he's too crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you said, if you ranked cal Rawley
Speaker 1: as the twenty catcher he's twenty eighth right now, By
Speaker 1: the way, you would have been laughed out of the stadium,
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't have been given a seat, They would
Speaker 1: have taken your labor team, they.
Speaker 2: Would have taken your cup team.
Speaker 1: They would kick you off an FBC, like you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be allowed to even even participate.
Speaker 2: But you you would have been right, just like I
Speaker 2: would have been right.
Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm saying, because that's like the stuff
Speaker 3: that people don't even realize with like you know, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: like this is so dumb, but it's like this is
Speaker 3: really in the weeds right now. But I'm gonna say though,
Speaker 3: because like you look at like a guy like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I'm not drafting uh you know Paul's
Speaker 3: schemes in any in any league. But I'm like, so
Speaker 3: I'll put him down at like you know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'll rank him at like fifty overall. I would have
Speaker 3: done that. People would have been like, oh, you're real dumb.
Speaker 3: People would have been like you are such a dummy,
Speaker 3: Like you are like out of control dumb, Like it's
Speaker 3: not even like it's not even in the realm of
Speaker 3: making sense. How dumb you are, and you know, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I would have been right.
Speaker 3: But but at that point, like people would have been
Speaker 3: in the preseason would have been they would have wrote
Speaker 3: me off as being dumb and we would have never
Speaker 3: got to this point. Would have been like, you're already dumb.
Speaker 3: I can't listen to someone this stupid.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Grey.
Speaker 1: It would actually be a really fun, like use useless
Speaker 1: waste of time travel to take like the previous years
Speaker 1: player enter and go back and redraft like in your
Speaker 1: in your time machine and just take the most crazy players.
Speaker 1: Be like twenty twenty five draft, I'm taking Pete crow
Speaker 1: Armstrong in the third round and.
Speaker 2: People be like, who who are you taking? And you're like,
Speaker 2: don't worry about it, it's it's fine.
Speaker 1: It would be okay, And I'm gonna draft Auto Lopez
Speaker 1: in the third round.
Speaker 2: You're drafting who in the third round? Over over Paul's
Speaker 2: schemes and uh Manny.
Speaker 1: Machado and Wriguez like what are you thinking?
Speaker 2: And you'd be like, well, just wait.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's all that's the thing with always like
Speaker 3: you know, because Rudy and I, how did I get
Speaker 3: into it? Over this because it's like with the war room,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, well, you could have waited an extra
Speaker 3: round to take that guy, and it's like, yeah, so
Speaker 3: I don't. Who cares. You get one week into the
Speaker 3: season and no one cares where you could have took
Speaker 3: a guy. It's like, oh, yeah, I could have waited
Speaker 3: an extra round to take James Wood, but I took
Speaker 3: him at fifteen versus waiting until twenty five or thirty
Speaker 3: or whatever. But it's like, who cares. As long as
Speaker 3: I got him, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely great, let's segon off it up and then
Speaker 1: we'll get out of here. No way to wire, no
Speaker 1: streams since we're on All Star break this week. In
Speaker 1: the words of Jesse from Breaking Bad, he can't keep
Speaker 1: getting away with this. Great Join Romano got another contract
Speaker 1: and there's two saves for the Rockies.
Speaker 2: You can't keep getting away with this.
Speaker 3: You know, the Rockies and the Angels could just trade
Speaker 3: players back back and forth, and because they're both in
Speaker 3: like their own heads, they won't even know. They'd be like, oh,
Speaker 3: Jordan Romano is actually pretty good, Like okay, let's trade
Speaker 3: for yeah what, and then the Angels will be like,
Speaker 3: you know, then a month later, the Rockets would be like, hey,
Speaker 3: you want join Romano and the Angels be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that sounds good. Hey didn't we have that guy ready? No,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think we did. Maybe it doesn't matter, though,
Speaker 3: does it. The Angels and the Rockies should have their
Speaker 3: own league going. It should be like twenty eight teams
Speaker 3: in the major leagues, and then the Angels and Rockies
Speaker 3: are just going back and forth. They just go back.
Speaker 3: It's like Chris Bryant, you want to go to the Angels.
Speaker 1: No, I've never really thought relegation would work in the
Speaker 1: US GRAVE, and I.
Speaker 2: Think relegation might be from Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1: Like if we could just get rid of Colorado, the Angels, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I mean probably the White Sox.
Speaker 1: I know they're they're doing better this year, but we
Speaker 1: could probably just go ahead and to save ourselves the
Speaker 1: pain and get rid of them.
Speaker 3: You're only saying that as a Cubs fan with the
Speaker 3: White Sox. Come on, be honest.
Speaker 2: I mean the serve the team the last decade until
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'll give you know, a rebuild is
Speaker 3: a specific beast if you're actually have like I didn't
Speaker 3: think Chris gets added in them. But I mean, the
Speaker 3: White Sox are decent, so it's like if they're you know,
Speaker 3: if they rebuild the team, that's good. The Angels and
Speaker 3: the Rockies, on the other hand, they can't. They're not rebuilding.
Speaker 3: They're just like the Angels and the Rockies are like,
Speaker 3: you won, Adam Fraser, Okay, I'll take like what what hey,
Speaker 3: yon Mancata, you want to go to the Rockies. We've
Speaker 3: already We've had your already on the Angels. We can't.
Speaker 3: We can't trade with anyone else but the Rockets. It's
Speaker 3: that we get relegated.
Speaker 1: The White Sox are leading in the division where four
Speaker 1: teams in the division are not trying to win anything.
Speaker 3: So no one's trying to win in the Al Central.
Speaker 3: That's true, I'll give you that. The Ale Central is
Speaker 3: basically just it's a jump ball every year. It's like
Speaker 3: usually the Guardians do win that jump ball, but it's
Speaker 3: it's very it is up in the air because of
Speaker 3: the fact that no one trusts that division ever Twins.
Speaker 3: The Twins are actively trying to lose every year. They're like, huh,
Speaker 3: who do we have good and can we get rid
Speaker 3: of them?
Speaker 2: The Royals are like, you know, they think they're gonna
Speaker 2: be good. We all think they're gonna be good.
Speaker 3: The Royals are actually, yeah, the Royals are the worst
Speaker 3: because they actually are trying to because royals. The Royals
Speaker 3: are like the little sister or little brother. You have
Speaker 3: their hand on their head and they can't hit you.
Speaker 3: They're just like anyway, Jordan Romano is not good and
Speaker 3: I would not pick him up. Moving on, do not.
Speaker 1: Oh we're in Baltimore. Do you want Andrew Kittridge or
Speaker 1: Tyler Wells. They've both been getting.
Speaker 3: I would say probably Tyler Wells, because you know, just
Speaker 3: usage more or less. I know Kittridge did get a save,
Speaker 3: but I think that was because Tyler Wells had worth
Speaker 3: the previous days. So I would say probably Tyler Wells,
Speaker 3: but it could be either. It could be Kittridge or Wells.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean they're they're both worth picking up.
Speaker 3: I would I would actually pick up both of them
Speaker 3: if I had room, and just to see how it
Speaker 3: shakes out. It seems like well I would go Wells
Speaker 3: sixty forty, but it could be Kittridge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's kind of up in the air,
Speaker 2: back and forth.
Speaker 1: Kittridge got a couple this week, wells got I think
Speaker 1: a couple of.
Speaker 2: The previous week.
Speaker 1: So it feels a little bit back and forth. I
Speaker 1: went through that I would pick them both up. I
Speaker 1: think I would. I would prioritize Kittridge just because he
Speaker 1: got the last couple saves, but.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to go back and forth between
Speaker 2: them to some extent.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the White Sox. Great Grant Taylor got
Speaker 1: to save this week. Is he officially their closer or
Speaker 1: do you think there's still a closer committee here.
Speaker 3: Well, the good news is I think it's a I
Speaker 3: think it's mostly grand Taylor's job, but I do think
Speaker 3: and even better news is I think they finally have
Speaker 3: moved on from Sir Anthony Domingez. But I do think
Speaker 3: there is a chance that like Brian Hudson or Sean
Speaker 3: Newcomb both could potentially get saves. They're in the mix,
Speaker 3: as they say, but I think it's grand Taylor probably.
Speaker 3: I would go even as high as maybe seventy five
Speaker 3: twenty five seventy five Grand Taylor twenty five split between
Speaker 3: Neukom and Hudson. I think Domingos is probably you could
Speaker 3: probably drop Dimngos and I'm saying that actually to myself
Speaker 3: because I still have them for some reason, I still
Speaker 3: have domngos, So you can drop them. I'm looking in
Speaker 3: the mirror right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you go ahead and drop them.
Speaker 1: His numbers are clearly starting to kind of decline this year,
Speaker 1: and it just does not look like the same guy.
Speaker 2: And I with you.
Speaker 1: I think Grant Taylor's the guy, and it was always
Speaker 1: a little bit of just on the white Sox Gunner
Speaker 1: actually be in and try and win these games or
Speaker 1: are they trying to build up somebody's trade value. It
Speaker 1: seems like they're on the more of the winning games
Speaker 1: side now, since you know they can win a vision
Speaker 1: that nobody wants to win over a staying in Chicago
Speaker 1: on the other side of town. Four guys have a
Speaker 1: save in the last two weeks. Is anybody the closer there?
Speaker 3: Well, I wish Jacob Jacob Jacob Web would pull away,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean he hasn't, So there's that I say.
Speaker 3: I wish he would because I have Web in a
Speaker 3: few leagues. I think Web is probably barely I would
Speaker 3: say this is much closer to the fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3: I would say Web is probably probably fifty five forty
Speaker 3: five with between Web and the other guys, I would
Speaker 3: say Web is fifty five, and then it's like and
Speaker 3: then it's sort of you know, it's like thorn in
Speaker 3: thigh bar any anyone raul listen. I think it's even
Speaker 3: gone to save, So it's anyone really after Web. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any hierarchy hierarchy of like who's
Speaker 3: going to get saved there. I think it's Web and
Speaker 3: then just a bunch of other guys. Potentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say Webbin is the leader, but I'm
Speaker 1: with you, I don't think it's anybody. If the Cubs
Speaker 1: are gonna make a push, I could definitely see them
Speaker 1: going and finding a closer at the trade deadline.
Speaker 2: Over in Texas. Seems like Jake Latts is the closer there.
Speaker 2: Are you buying it?
Speaker 3: Hmm, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I think Jake Lats has
Speaker 3: been great and he's been solid for better part of
Speaker 3: the year. I mean, oddly enough, because he doesn't you know,
Speaker 3: he doesn't really strike out a ton of people. His
Speaker 3: stuff isn't I don't think he's got like, you know,
Speaker 3: quote unquote closer stuff necessarily, but he's been solid so yeah,
Speaker 3: Jack Jacob Latz, Yeah, it's closer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And now San Francisco, Caleb Killian got
Speaker 1: the last saved, maybe the last two saves actually, but
Speaker 1: there's a couple other people there in the mix. Are
Speaker 1: you go with Killian or do you think this is
Speaker 1: still a bit of a mess as well? Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean the Giants, the Giants are not
Speaker 3: a good team, and and their bullpen's a mess. I'd
Speaker 3: say Eric Miller kill Eric Miller then Killian, Maybe maybe
Speaker 3: Killian then Miller. I don't know, you know, because Eric
Speaker 3: Miller's a lefty, so you have to factor that in.
Speaker 3: I guess I wouldn't go. I honestly, I would avoid
Speaker 3: the Giants their bullpen. I don't think it's worth it,
Speaker 3: Like you know, as Killian has eight saves on the
Speaker 3: year and a four to seven four year ra is
Speaker 3: it were those eight saves really worth it? I mean that's,
Speaker 3: you know, a philosophical question for you, but I mean
Speaker 3: it was it. I don't know. I'd probably avoid the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the twelve era over the last two weeks
Speaker 1: isn't isn't great for Caleb Killian. He is the only
Speaker 1: one that's gotten saves, although he gets rocked pretty much
Speaker 1: every other time he was out.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I grab Eric Miller. He's the only one who's been
Speaker 1: good in that bullpen. Killian seems like the guy who's
Speaker 1: gonna get saved even though he shouldn't for now. Uh.
Speaker 2: And then there's JT.
Speaker 1: Brubaker, who gets the occasional save when Killian's not around,
Speaker 1: or just you know, the giants being the giants. So
Speaker 1: those are the three I would look at but not
Speaker 1: really excited about either one necessarily.
Speaker 2: Here let's uh.
Speaker 1: Let's move over to Pittsburgh Gray Uh, Mason Montgomery gets
Speaker 1: a save, Gregory Soto has a save in the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Who do you think gets the gets the job here?
Speaker 3: Well, I put in a fab bed for Mason Montgomery
Speaker 3: on Sunday and I did not get it. And I
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm supposed to be happy or sad
Speaker 3: about that. They're both greg Gregory Soto is sort of
Speaker 3: you know, he's he he won the job, then lost
Speaker 3: the job, and then always like maybe has the job.
Speaker 3: And him and Montgomery a bro are both lefties, so
Speaker 3: you know, I think that complicates the situation. I like
Speaker 3: Montgomery better than Sodo. I don't think it's clear cut.
Speaker 3: And I also I'm really hoping the pirates go and
Speaker 3: try and get a close, like a roll this chatman
Speaker 3: sitting there. Send send someone you know, send send the
Speaker 3: prospect and get a roll this chatman back to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: Get they they need. The Pittsburgh Pirates need a closer,
Speaker 3: and I'm offering my services to be their GM. Go
Speaker 3: get a closer. I don't. I don't know what else
Speaker 3: to saying, Man, get a closer. Unfortunately, I think the
Speaker 3: pirates are probably selling, just because they always are selling,
Speaker 3: so I don't know why I would think they'd be buying.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would say Montgomery or Sodo. I would
Speaker 3: put Montgomery above Sodo, but barely. And they're both lefties,
Speaker 3: so who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think Montgomery's better than Sodo. But
Speaker 1: who the pirates go with, I'm not sure. I do
Speaker 1: not expect them to make any deals to acquire anyone,
Speaker 1: because that's not what they do unless they're picking up
Speaker 1: like Brian Hayes for.
Speaker 2: The sixth time.
Speaker 1: That's that's just not what the pirates don't. They don't
Speaker 1: go out and find pieces. Maybe if they can get
Speaker 1: like they're probably not gonna get the top of the vision,
Speaker 1: but then get a wild card spot before the trade deadline,
Speaker 1: maybe they do something. But I would assume if they're
Speaker 1: even like a game pack at the trade deadline, they
Speaker 1: will just say, oh, we can't make it and sell
Speaker 1: as they used to do. That's gonna do it for
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Speaker 2: There you enjoy your all star break, Gray.
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna take a little bit of time off,
Speaker 1: well deserved and uh hopefully it'll be an entertaining festivity
Speaker 1: unlike the last few years.
Speaker 2: Thanks all right, great talk to you later.
Speaker 3: All right, lads,