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Lawongo is back. Hey doing Tom.

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Speaker 2: I'm good, Pete?

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Speaker 1: How are you? What's going on, Man, I'm doing good. Yeah, man,

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let's talk about the last sport that really white men

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can dominate in this way.

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Speaker 2: It's the only sport that matters as far as I'm yes,

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And you know, it's I'm almost sad now that you

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know that the Canadians have decided to h you know,

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to really rip the mask off and decide that they

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hate Americans, and uh, it's it's really sad because hockey,

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to me, is is still the only team sport that

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you know, matters and has has mattered for a long

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time from a variety of different perspectives.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the it's the only one that hasn't bought

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into the wholesale commercialization and the billion you know, we're

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worth billions and billions of dollars, and you know, we

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need to have we need to highlight this one, you know,

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person who came from the ghetto and everything. I mean,

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they did that a couple of times with people who

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came from poor play and everything, but it wasn't something

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like they they they centered everything around it. It's really

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about a bunch of Canadian kids and Northern American kids

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who grew up in really really cold places and you

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could play hockey, you know, play hockey year round. Yep.

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Speaker 2: And and let's not forget the let's not take the

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Europeans out of the of the equation. As much as

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I you know, want to shoot on the Europeans on

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a regular basis, but when it comes to their hockey players,

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I won't do that. And and I I've watched them

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too many times, like you know, be great and not

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necessarily you know, at the national team level all the time.

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I mean, the checks have had their heyday, and the

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Fins have had their day, and the Swedes have had

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their day. But and certainly the Russians have had their day.

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But it's you know, they you're drawing from really small

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populations in some in some cases, and they play a

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different game over and over in Europe. But that doesn't

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take away from, you know, the skill of it.

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Speaker 1: It's really funny.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend of mine during the

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World Cup last year and he was getting me up

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to speak because he's a huge soccer fan. He's Italian

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and he's a huge soccer fan. Well he's actually Italian Canadian,

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and he's a Canadian first, he's an Italian origin, and

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and you know, we sat there during the World Cup

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and he was like explaining how different countries play the

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game differently, Like the Italians play it one way, the

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Germans played it different way. And and you know, if

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you've ever watched you know, more than one World Cup,

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you'll realize this very very quickly. You'll see the cultural

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imprint of how they play the game is different from

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place to place to place. And this is very much

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the the the way in the game of hockey as well.

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one way. Western Canadian players plays it differently than the

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Quebec Major Junior League, which plays plays differently than the

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Ontario Hockey League, or you know the difference between American

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you know heart like Cornell and Dartmouth and whatnot. And

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then the Finns play differently, and they play differently than

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the Checks do, and they played much differently than the

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Russians do, and so it's a very interesting it's a

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very interesting mix. And then when you get all those

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different cultures into the room together, that's when the magic happens, right,

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you know, I you know, I used to watch Hockey

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this was a big deal, like NHL Center ice package.

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and Hockey Water for years, and you know, and I

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saying grapes go on and on and on. I'm sorry,

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I mean, don Terry go on and on and on

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about how Euros don't know how to play hockey. He's not,

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wrong right about that. And I found it, you know,

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fascinating to watch. But at the same time, like I

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love with the NHL and it certain point around twenty

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twenty eleven because it became very obvious to me that

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it was still run by its own internal mafia, and

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that internal mafia are the old guard owners in Toronto, Boston,

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the the not the sport itself, but the rules competition,

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the rules committee, and how the game would change from

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year to year to year in order to benefit the

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teams that those guys built. So while Betman and the

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league were trying to do one thing and trying to

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sell the sport in different ways and maybe evolve the

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sport in different ways, those guys were saying something else.

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That tension. Eventually, you know, you just watched like the

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small market teams get themselves get shipped on left, right,

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and center. If you tried to build a game, you know,

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if you took the league at their word and said

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we want a skill game, and then you then when

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we got to the playoffs, everybody going to put their

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whistles in there in their throats and and uh, oh

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that's what the boys play. Well that's bullshit, Like so

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it's a different game, oh, you know. And it's one

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of the things that that when it started to become

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like basketball, where the game is called at different types,

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different points in the game or in different points of

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the season, and it was really like that, it was terrible,

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was like, I'm not playing that game. I'm not playing

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I'm not going to play this anymore. Not When you watch,

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you know, you watch teams be denied their day in

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the sun that they work for under one set of

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rules and then they're completely inadequate for another set of rules.

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long time, and the tension within the NHL about you know,

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whether or not fighting is still appropriate and whether there

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should be goons and YadA, YadA, YadA, like you know,

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fucking Betman's been trying to get rid of that ship

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for thirty years and I've never I've never read with that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I always felt that the game of hockey should be

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played by tough men, and uh, you know, the skill

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guys get protected, and that they're not going to get

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protected by the by the players on the ice and

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then and then their locker room. Then they should be

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protected some way by the league. And then when the

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league said no, you can't have any enforcers and you

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can't protect your stars, I'm like, well, fuck the whole

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out of you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not playing this game anymore. I'm not gonna watch

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this game. Yeah, Marty, the Marty mcsorley's of the world

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are obsolete now because well, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Marty mcconeries are gone and the Melon luch teaches,

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which is I'm now dating myself, are are the guys

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that were allowed to run wild, so they would just

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run around and elbow everybody in a fucking head. And

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then Boston went elbow their way to a fucking Stanley Cup,

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like and all because Jeremy Jacobs sat on the competition

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committee and said, let him play and changed all the

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fucking roles every year after year of the year until

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he got the team he wanted.

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Speaker 1: And then he just like went out and bought the

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team he wanted.

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Speaker 2: And then did the thing. And it was like and

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then watching and then the worst part was watching like

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NBC and ESPN and the league have to say all

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this bullshit, and like, after a while, I just became

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really really became just it just became butt sport to me.

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And I'm like, I'm not gonna watch but sport. That's

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not what I watched the game of hockey for. I've

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long advocated that we should go to the international sized

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rink in the NHL, I think, I mean the last time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said that before too. It would be so

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much more interesting.

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Speaker 2: Well then and and and the thing is, have you

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been to a game recently?

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Speaker 1: No? I haven't.

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Speaker 2: Mental No, yeah, so I was, So I went to

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a Florida Panthers.

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Speaker 1: No, I used to I used to have seasons take

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us to the Florida Panthers. By the way, I mean game.

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I've ever had season tickets too.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's and that's and that's cool, like and

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it's really funny, is that. I you know, I had

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a patron, like, you know, ping me one day. It's

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the time I like to take you down to Like

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I like to take you to. I got season tickets.

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What's come down for your birthday? About three or four

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years ago, you know, the Tampa's playing the Sabers with

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my Sabers and my favorite team, and like, hey, let's

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let's have an evening. And I watched the game, and

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I was watching the game as I always do, like

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a GM and but I really noticed.

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Speaker 1: Was just how.

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Speaker 2: Big the boys were and how small the rink was,

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and that there was literally no room on the ice

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to do anything. And actually it wasn't Sabers were playing.

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It was it was a rematch of that year's Stanley

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Cup was Colorado and Tampa. So this was supposed to

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be the two best teams in the league, or you know,

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previously the two best teams in the league. And it

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was an unbelievably sloppy game. It was really not. And

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it wasn't because of the Florida ice or anything like

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this fucking February right Like, Tampa's got good ice, good

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good ice control down there. They won multiple Stanley cups

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down there. They know what they're doing. This isn't like

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the slush pond in Miami thirty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Back in the right.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, I was watching this and I'm like,

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and the reason that the game is so sloppy is

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because there's no room. Yeah, like the guys, I mean

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when wingers are six foot four and centerman are six

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foot three, Like, you got to take the freaking front

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the front rows out of the stadiums, folks, and make

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make the ring fifteen feet wider.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you know you remember the movie Young Blood Bear

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Rob Low, Patrick swayze he it was a hockey It

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was a hockey movie. It was Patrick Patrick's. Patrick Swayzey

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had this great line in it. Movies from like eighty

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four eighty five. He had this line in it where

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he said, you know, he's like toasting and he said,

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to hockey the last sport where middle sized white boys

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can it can dominate and it was like at that point,

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the average height in the NHL was like five foot ten,

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five foot eleven.

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Speaker 2: Right, like a six foot two defenseman was a big deal,

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like Willie Hubert.

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Speaker 1: Willie Hubert was was this guy. He was a six

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foot three defenceman and he looked like he didn't know

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how to escape, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, and then we and then we you know, we

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had this an anotari era already six y nine. You know,

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he can literally reach halfway across the ice with his stick.

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He boy played with the longest sticky pot that was

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leaving legal like it was just and then he cracked

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it over everybody's skull. And uh, I don't get me wrong,

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the same time, he's six ft fucking nine playing in

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the NHL. This guy's must be It's like, you know,

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he should be playing power forward for the Knicks and

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the goaltenders are six to three and I was looking

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we were when we used to watch hockey, like why

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why don't they just like draft a Suma wrestler right,

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put him in pads and give him a stick and

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let him just stuff him into the net. No one

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would never score on him because he would fill the

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whole fucking net. When you look at the goaltenders today,

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and I remember listening to them go on like, you know,

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how the goalies were wearing these balloon pads during the

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nineties or in the Dead Puck era, how big Mark

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Camburdurs pads were and all the rest of the stuff.

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was particularly egregious about this, right, And so then they

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finally brought the size of the pads down to make

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it actually reasonable. And then you go back and you

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watch like the nineteen eighty Lake Placid game, right, and

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they were cross shoulder pads.

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Speaker 1: Not even the Russian team is small.

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Speaker 2: Right, And the Russian team compared to the American team

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was enormous because it was men against boys.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: They were all twenty five to thirty on the Russian team,

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and the boys were all in eighteen to twenty one, right,

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And so the boys weren't even fully grown, right, so

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at that point, So, but you know, when you have

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guys who who are six two two fifteen and perfect

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physical condition was seven percent body fat. Who could skate

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forty miles an hour wearing body armor that the cops

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are that the riot cops are jealous of like and

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you wonder why they The concussions were on the rise

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and they couldn't stop any of this stuff. I mean,

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you couldn't put a guy five foot ten on the

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ice because even at the six foot three guy just

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walked by him. He you know, you hit him with

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an elbow pipe on mistake and you know, knock him

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out for two bucks.

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Speaker 1: Well even even at the time, one of the biggest

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guys in the league, you know, Eric Lindross, I mean

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we hated as Florida Panther fans, we hated him, and

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we called them, we called them captain, we called them

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Captain concussion. And you remember his career was basically ended

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by Scott Stevens. Yes, I mean who Yeah, he tried

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Glyn Dross would always skate with his head down, and

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he tried to cross the blue line and Stevens led

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with a shoulder right to the chin and just knocked

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him clean out. And he had to take a year off.

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and he was a shell of his former self. He

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was six or four, two hundred and thirty pounds and

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he couldn't he couldn't play physical anymore.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I know, I remember that hit by Scott Stevens.

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I remember the Brian Campbell hit. I remember that.

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Speaker 1: It was a fucking brutal one too. Man, he almost

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took it. I mean his jaw. You could see Lindros's

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jaw is Casparaitis, remember Casparitis on the pond just went

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his Lendros just went yeah, yeah, I mean the.

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Speaker 2: I I became a Savers fan when I came back

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to the game of hockey back in the mid nineties

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because we were watching the playoffs in ESPN two, and

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it was Philadelphia versus Buffalo, and it was it was

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the dead puckier and it was the it was Dominic

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was a Buffalo Costco rams right?

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Speaker 1: Was it Dominic Kashak playing? Oh yeah?

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Speaker 2: And Dominic Kashak right, And so there were like three

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guys when any skilled on the fucking team. One of

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them was alectually nick. But the only thing that guy

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could hit was a slapsh was was fucking Glass or

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people in the fourteenth row Hashik and you know, a

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couple of and you know and a couple that was it.

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They were a bunch of grinders. But what I and

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Mike Peca and when I watched when when lind Ross

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ran Hashak and Lindra and like game two of the

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quarterfinals or whatever the Semis and they won that. The

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Sabers wound up winning that. That uh, that series when

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they ran Hashak, Mike Peca five ten buck eighty five,

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climbs Eric Lindross and starts beating the fuck out of him,

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and and they had that when once they peeled Peck off,

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then Verada and Dixon, Ward and everybody else jumped in

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and the bench cleared and they all and they're like,

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there was no fucking way they were going to stop.

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They were going to to stomach this bullshit. You ran, Hashik,

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you were going you weren't for a world of hurt.

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It doesn't matter that it was a bunch of fucking

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little abusions. They were doing it, and they did it,

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and that team had so much fucking heart And I

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was like, oh, I love these guys, Like how could

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you not love them? Aside from the fact that. I'm

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an old Islanders fan growing up fucking always hated the

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damn Flyers, like because the Flyers were shit and dirty

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and they were dirty Pool in the seventies, they were

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dirty Pool in the eighties, dirty Pool in the nineties,

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and now they suck and who gives a shit, doesn't matter.

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They still have like thirty years with the karma to

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wear all the bleed off these motherfuckers.

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Speaker 1: So like, I don't know if you I don't know

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if you know this because you probably don't follow right now.

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Alvechkin is five goals away from from Gretzky.

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Speaker 2: I heard that the other day and I was like,

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I was like, Reallyskas, I actually stopped the Ove's still playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great. He's a gray beard. He's a gray

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beard like us. Now. Yeah, but he's he's doing it

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in the same basically in the same amount of games.

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So it's not like he's playing you know, two three

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more years than Gretzky did, or playing you know, one hundred,

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two hundred more games in Gretzky. It's basically the same amount.

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So I mean, it's really impressive. Nobody's ever going to

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touch Gretzky's assist assist total. But you know, I mean

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I think at one point he had more assists than

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anyone else had points and that and that was for

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like fifteen years he held that that distinction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I watched that ere and I was there,

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and I'm still angry at that team for denying my

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Islanders their fifth Stanley Cup. Like I just wanted them

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to win their fifth. And you know, it's always that

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one for the thumb, right, And then and then i'd

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been didn't go on and it never you know, didn't

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pan out.

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, eighties was just the eighties was just

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a decade of dynasties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was well, and but that's what the draft did.

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If you did it right, you had a good farm

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system and you played well. And you know, I mean

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al Arbor's farm system was was was immense. So was

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Glenn Saders and you know they they I mean, look

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even the.

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Speaker 1: Number one line, his number one line had Mike Bossi,

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who could score from anywhere. Had Brian Trotcier, who couldn't

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it couldn't. He didn't have a slap shot. I don't know.

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I people know this, Brian Traschi and then he had

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Clark Gillies, who was insanely good player but also would

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knock your knock your teeth out if you messed with

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either Bossi or Tracier.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, Clark Keillys was was the enforcer on that line,

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and that that line was amazing. That John Tanelli line

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was amazing. That that then and then you know, then

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we had you know, Pop Van, Oh god, it was

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what a great team that was. It was the it

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was the Tanelli line that made that game, that that

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team run. That you know, you had to have two

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I mean you always have.

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Speaker 1: That two really good scoring lines.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't get away with that, and you

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have to be and you have to roll four lines

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and you have to be certainly in the modern game

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you have to roll four lines because it's such a

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high tempo game. But you know, that was an amazing

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That was an amazing period. That's when I got into

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the game as a teenager. My my uh my sister

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married a guy who was in the hockey. Yeah, you didn't, like,

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you know, I didn't play.

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Speaker 1: I can't I played in I played in high school

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and I didn't play at all.

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Speaker 2: We didn't even have to play a club team in

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my high school in upstate New York.

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Speaker 1: We had a New York City Catholic Catholic school league,

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Power Memorial, Saint Peter's all hollows Fordham Prep and everything,

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and I had a My school was actually like a rainbow.

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We had black guys playing on the team, spent other

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Hispanic you know, other guys with Hispanic last names. But

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you know, everyone is completely Americanized. Yeah, and the black

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and the black guys were were total dorks and and

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book nerds and geeks. You know, they weren't a bunch

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of ghetto guys.

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Speaker 2: They were you know, the hockey players like you you know,

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I mean, hockey is an expensive sport, right, I mean

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it really, that's very much. It's very much in middle last.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's another thing is, you know, people

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people constantly ask, you know, why is soccer the most

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popular sport in the world. It's like, okay, because most

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of the world is poor and all you need is

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a ball, right in hockey you need At the time

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I was growing up, I mean, if you didn't have

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four or five hundred dollars worth of equipment, and that

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was a lot of fucking money at the time. I

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mean you were going to get hurt. You were going

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to get hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I I I never I never

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really learned how to skate. I was never any good

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at and I and there was a pond in my

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in my my development in Upstate New York where I

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grew up was like built like cut out of the

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side of a of a mountain basically, but you know

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in the upper part portion of the back.

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Speaker 1: Which is completely a different school system by the way.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there was a pond up there that was

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you know, frozen at least four months out of the year,

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and we would go out there and I could never

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I never got the hang of ice skating ever. And

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then you know, graduated high school and moved to Forwarda

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and Fox Skates in Florida, Right, So I.

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Speaker 1: Think I started on I started on roller. I started

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on rollers, So when when I switched over to ice,

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it wasn't that difficult. Mm hm, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I just just never got the hang of it. Like

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I know how to run a bike, like you know,

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I'm good at that, like or as I was, but

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it's not like I'm you know, completely like fucking pants.

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I played football, I played baseball, I played, you know,

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I did track and field one year through the shot

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and a couple other things.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I was a I was.

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Speaker 2: A three sport guy for one year and then I

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realized that I did not want to be a three

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sport guy. And then I went and joined the jazz

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band because I'd taken up the base by that point,

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and you know, joined the drama club and that was

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the end of that ship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys would be surprising, you know.

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Speaker 2: But I was also also always in the choir the

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same time, like all the time. I was like for years,

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like fourth grade, I was in the choir, and by

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the time I was in eighth grade, I was I

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was a bass because my my my voice broke before

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everybody else's did, and and the choir directors all of

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me because they actually a base with the person before

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they got the high school. So you know, not that

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I have like great picture of pitch accuracy or anything,

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but you know, not the not the believe of it.

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Speaker 1: So so I have this video and I want to

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rewind this back to nineteen ninety six. Nineteen ninety six

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is my brother and I have season tickets to Florida

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Panthers and everything so we're up. We hear that they're doing, uh,

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they're going to do an inaugural World Cup of Hockey,

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and it's going to be NHL players, of course, and

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it is six teams all the whole, all the games

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are going to be played in North America. It's United States, Canada, Russia, Finland,

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Sweden and the albums the checks team. I would take

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the checks and the checks and the checks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it went from August twenty sixth to September fourteenth,

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and it was basically at this time, the United the

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US national team was not considered any was not considered anything.

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I mean, they hadn't won The last thing they had

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won internationally was Lake Placid and that was a bunch

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of college kids, you know. So it was a bunch

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of college kids who beat the uh beat the Russians.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jeremy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So sixteen years, sixteen years later, I mean, think

476
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about who's playing for Canada. I think I think they'll

477
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say in the video, they may say there are ten

478
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:33,480
future Hall of Famers playing for Canada. Yeah, and then

479
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,720
you know the United States is uh, you know some

480
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:40,759
guys that you don't even know are American, like John Leclair. Yep,

481
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I mean a beast of a friggin player. I mean

482
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just I mean he was a caveman out on the ice.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the one of the few guys who

484
00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:55,240
ever wore a Philadelphia Flyers uniform that I have respect

485
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:56,319
for him.

486
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Speaker 1: And Ron Hextall. You had in net Mike Richter, who

487
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,519
is I mean, just unbelievable. So he had chelly O.

488
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,240
So you had Tony Amonti, and then the great story

489
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,920
of this is you have Brett Hull. And why is

490
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,839
Brett Hull playing for the USA when his dad is

491
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:24,079
Bobby Hall and he's obviously a Canadian. Well because now, okay, right,

492
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,640
so Brett Hull's mom was American, so he had he

493
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,079
had dual citizenship. And in nineteen eighty six when they're

494
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,759
going into the world, they're having the World Championships, I

495
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:40,039
think it was Dave King left Hull off the roster

496
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and he just he was salty about that the whole time.

497
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And he got invited to play for the American team

498
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:50,599
and they were like, yeah, yeah, it's He's like, I'll

499
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,960
do it. And I mean, you're talking about one of

500
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,000
the most prolific goal scorers of all time. I mean

501
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even more so than his dad, and his dad was.

502
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Speaker 2: You can't bring up you as a Savers family. You

503
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,359
bring up the name Brett Hall and like I start

504
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,680
to like, you know, go into conniptions and I start,

505
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,359
I started like, no go, I can't help myself. But

506
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,359
what it is like, I'm still waiting. I'm still waiting

507
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,839
for them to, like, you know, make the to say that,

508
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,640
to invalidate the goal and replay the fucking I replay

509
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,000
the game. I think it's Hashik could still be willing

510
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,359
to strap on the pads to play that.

511
00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:29,079
Speaker 1: Game over again. So so somebody made a I think

512
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,200
ESPN actually made a documentary of this series, and I'm

513
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,480
I'm fast forwarded to the I'm going to fast forward

514
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,319
to the point where basically what happens is USA Canada

515
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,559
Finale and it's the best two of three and the

516
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:47,319
first game, the first game is in the United States

517
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and then both the games go to Montreal. There's two

518
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:54,759
games in Montreal. So let me share this and let's

519
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,400
see if this brings back some memories for you, because

520
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:05,759
this is uh, like I said, this is a Canada. Yeah,

521
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:12,160
this is Canada beating beating Sweden to go into the

522
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,559
I think it was a three or four over one.

523
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:15,039
Speaker 2: To the North.

524
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:22,039
Speaker 1: Then you shouldn't be playing. And then American Canada and

525
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:27,039
the United States are going to play. So and this

526
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:30,640
details a bunch of the drama behind it. So let's

527
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,359
watch us and see if this brings back any, uh,

528
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,240
any memories or emotions. I think these are the two

529
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,839
best teams going into the tournament.

530
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,559
Speaker 2: They've survived to meet in the final.

531
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Speaker 3: I remember being told, if you don't want to play Canada,

532
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,880
then you shouldn't be playing in the finals.

533
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,319
Speaker 4: They really wanted to make a statement and prove something

534
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,799
that they could be the favorite, the best team in

535
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:54,960
the world at the time, the best team that could

536
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,720
be a symbol was Canada.

537
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,599
Speaker 2: When Canada gets into this situation, they looked at their leaders,

538
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,319
will be a great, great battle? Does about who we play?

539
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 5: You know, we set the mark, we set the bar,

540
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:20,160
and everybody has to coming and knock us off the podium.

541
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,799
Speaker 6: Rod Wilson, head coach, Hip Team USA. Yeah, your team

542
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,039
the only one undefeated going into the final.

543
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,799
Speaker 7: Yet some observers say it's not so much your team

544
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,720
but the flaws and the other teams that you've faced.

545
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: How do you react to that.

546
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,839
Speaker 7: Well, we can't worry about what the other teams are saying.

547
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,160
We're focused in our own room and we're going to

548
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,200
continue to play to our strengths and do what we've

549
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,680
been doing best, him predicting pet it up in three.

550
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,519
Speaker 8: The international media still had its doubts about Team USA.

551
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: After all, as your buddy Don Cherry, I.

552
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, well, no, those Brian Leachs. When you

553
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:57,480
start to really go through this whole roster, it's like again,

554
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,119
at the end of the day, it's not about the stars,

555
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,680
about the quality of the the mesh of the team itself.

556
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: That's why hockey stole a great game.

557
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: It's about the twenty three guys in the room and

558
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:08,880
how they meshed together.

559
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,839
Speaker 1: So one of the one of the things you'll hear,

560
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,359
one of the things that I always thought was so

561
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,039
Glenn say, there is the head coach of Canada, and

562
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,519
so guess who. Guess who he starts in goal all

563
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:28,119
three all three games, Curtis Joseph, his own goalie. He

564
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,319
leaves Martin Brodor on the bench. I know, well, here's

565
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:36,799
a here's a question for you. Would Martin bro Door

566
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,160
be a great goaltender outside of that trap, that whole

567
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,519
trap defense defense that they that that New Jersey played

568
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:46,319
for so many years.

569
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,559
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's a really that's you know, that is

570
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,799
the ultimate question, right, I mean, I look, I mean,

571
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:58,039
oh god, that's that's a terrible thing to say about

572
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,440
a guy like bro Door was a a clutch goaltender.

573
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:03,880
He didn't have to make a lot of saves every

574
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,759
night but this, but he always made the save he

575
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:12,000
needed to make when there was a breakdown. So while

576
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,799
he didn't have a lot of work, you know, it's

577
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,240
actually harder for a goaltender. I've heard it's actually harder

578
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,319
for goaltender when he's not under fire to stay a

579
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,839
mentally focused than to be able to make that big

580
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,559
save when you haven't seen a shot for twelve minutes. Yep, yeah,

581
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,640
than it is for a guy Mike Kashik who was

582
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,599
making thirty and forty nine and standing on his head

583
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:36,839
with a slinking for a spine right like that whole thing.

584
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,359
So you know, it's there's a you know, there's a

585
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,119
rhythm that goaltenders get into this. So I've heard it

586
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,960
both ways up or Door. I'm not going to say

587
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,559
anything bad about Marty. He absolutely Stanley Cups. But he

588
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,160
was a far better goaltender than Curtis Joseph.

589
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: And that and that's the thing about this good.

590
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is the reason he was a better

591
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,920
goaltender than Curtis Joseph was because he was consistent. Joseph

592
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:04,920
was a world beater one night and Captain SIV the

593
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,440
next night. He you know, and and he didn't really

594
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,880
string together, you know, five six seasons worth of unbelievable goaltender.

595
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,960
He he's strung together a couple of good ones, you know,

596
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,519
especially when there was a big contract in the lawn.

597
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,559
And then you know, I'll be honest with you, courage Joseph,

598
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,079
to me, feels is similar to my namesake Roberta Luongo,

599
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,680
who got close a number of times but could not

600
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,559
win the big game. And there was you know, bodylw

601
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,759
was that way. I mean, you know, it was just

602
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:37,559
what was what it was, And I mean, I'll be

603
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:38,839
honest with you. We used to say the same thing

604
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,240
about Ryan Miller, and Ryan Miller is a phenomenal goaltender,

605
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,519
but you know then there was always mister softy, one

606
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,200
soft goal a game. And when you're the goaltender for

607
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,599
Buffalo and you know, they weren't. And it wasn't the

608
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,559
Drury you know, pre aery years where we were scoring

609
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,400
what we could score it well, like dude, it was

610
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,880
you know. He wound up being a middle of goaltender

611
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,440
ultimately and couldn't win the big game.

612
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 8: So Team Canada had ten future Hall of Famers, but

613
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,799
the Americans had one advantage. Game one of the best

614
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:25,680
of three finals would be played in Philadelphia.

615
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: And this should be ours.

616
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 9: It's in our backyard, it's in Philly, this should be

617
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960
our game in game one. And that's definitely not the

618
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:27,839
way it turned out.

619
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Speaker 10: Resky shirting back, Let's shot, election, firing Glen Ross.

620
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 8: And power playing goal for Canada.

621
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,079
Speaker 1: It is one nothing exam.

622
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,119
Speaker 11: They came out and they played like Canada and we

623
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,440
played like the old USA.

624
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,799
Speaker 8: Team Canada carried the play throughout the game. Only the

625
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,240
performance of goaltender Mike Richter kept Team USA close.

626
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: Rick was on top perform at that point. He won

627
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:07,720
the Bee Stanley Cup with the Rangers that year, didn't he. Yeah, Yeah,

628
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,119
that was that was Mike. That was Mike Richter's peak

629
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,200
as a as a goaltender.

630
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:16,079
Speaker 1: Well is it. Let's see, ninety six was Colorado ninety seven,

631
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,680
ninety four he wanted in ninety.

632
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,839
Speaker 2: Correct, I'm sorry you had. Ninety six was Colorado and.

633
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:27,599
Speaker 8: Patricks wall Actor's remarkable goaltending. The United States was only

634
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,680
down three to two with less than ten seconds to play.

635
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,799
Speaker 2: Fans standing in a blood in Tusa.

636
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: The tire this thing up.

637
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 7: We had put ourselves in a bad spot by not

638
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,599
playing well, but we had the chance there at the end.

639
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,759
Speaker 2: Now it comes down to a big face off to

640
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,440
the right side of Curtis Joseph.

641
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 11: You know my job was just to get it by

642
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,000
the first guy and see what happens.

643
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: Six. I can't tell you how much I hated bloody

644
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:10,039
sla and man and they got crazy in Philadelphia.

645
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,119
Speaker 12: No matter how much experience you have, how long you've

646
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,719
been around, how many games you've played, to to get

647
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,960
scored on when you're there's seconds away from from winning

648
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,599
a game was always tough to recover.

649
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: A little bit forward, a little bit so.

650
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 13: You're steaying anything that nothing's supermacho MEXICALI poortime, hid grands long.

651
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,159
Speaker 2: The first game is what we to win.

652
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,599
Speaker 14: This is meant to win.

653
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 6: This ground ahead of foot was.

654
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:43,119
Speaker 8: Able to play it till Abe, but Philadelphia was not

655
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,199
Lake Placid.

656
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 6: Little tap ahead black Gloria is on Mountain iSER.

657
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: But Steve isserles, that's unbelievable.

658
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,159
Speaker 2: That what a goal for him with.

659
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,599
Speaker 1: I mean rich there is standing on his head the

660
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,119
whole time and then this is the goal he gets up.

661
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,679
Speaker 2: Now we're saying, you know that Mike wanted to have back.

662
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,199
Speaker 7: Yeah, if I'm being honest, I didn't really give us

663
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,159
a big chance to win at that point.

664
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,199
Speaker 15: Well, it's seeing most of the country jumped for joy

665
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,840
last night as Team Canada beat the United States in

666
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,719
the first game of the World Cup Final. It's been

667
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,840
said Canada's national pride is at stake in this tournament.

668
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: People don't understand that, Like hockey is on the front

669
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:39,800
page in Canada. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's.

670
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,639
Speaker 2: It's the one I mean outside it's the one thing

671
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,119
that Canadians, I mean, they really do like live, eat,

672
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:50,119
ship die in hockey. It's just fascinating. When I was

673
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,280
up in Edmonton the last two years for the Shawn

674
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Newman events, you know that's all they talk about and

675
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,400
Edmonton last we were there last year and it was

676
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,480
you know, Edmonton was in the prop of closing out

677
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:06,199
the conference finals, and then from there, you know, they

678
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,599
went on to almost you know, take Florida out. And

679
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,719
I watched game seven of that of that of that final,

680
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,239
and that that was a good game. And I'm watching

681
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,519
that game and I'm like, oh, this is going to

682
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:19,480
come down the one mistake. I'm ten minutes into the game,

683
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,880
I think I turned to Camiale. I said, this will

684
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,280
be one mistake. We'll see who makes We'll see who

685
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,360
makes the one more mistake to thegether one, because otherwise

686
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:31,679
a fallless game. Florida makes one, Edmonton makes two, and

687
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,199
that's the game. I mean, literally sixteen minutes of hockey.

688
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,559
Otherwise it was it was a it was a it

689
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:40,159
was a coach's wet dream, to be honest with you.

690
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:43,119
I mean, it was a testament to how good boat

691
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:46,039
teams were and Paul Maurice, Paul Maurice had them so

692
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,239
fucking prepared. And there's a guy that I mean I

693
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:49,800
watched Paul.

694
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: Florida goes up three, three nothing, Edmonton comes back and

695
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,159
ties it, and then it just comes down to the game,

696
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,719
the game seven, and there's one miss, and it's one mistake.

697
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't ask for a better a better

698
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:09,000
ending to a to a Stanley Cup finals right, and

699
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:11,360
in the end, the better team won. I mean I

700
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,400
watched both teams, and at least on that night, the

701
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,039
better team won and the better coached team won. And

702
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,039
it's you know, the guy who you know. The NHL

703
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,880
loves their stories and they're they're you know, especially the

704
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,000
American media. I love their comeback stories, they're whatnot. But

705
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,800
I had to I was rooting for Edmonton. I mean,

706
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,320
I've always been I've always been Oilers. I've not always

707
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,679
been an Oilers fan. But when I came back to

708
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,119
the game, the game in the nineties, the game, the

709
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:41,360
league was such a mix of haves and have nots.

710
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,199
The Canadian dollar was a fucking toilet, and so you know,

711
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,760
you're you start championing these days that have nots to survive.

712
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,440
And I remember sitting there arguing back after the you know,

713
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,960
during the lockdown, as a pre market libertarian, saying, oh,

714
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,239
they need a salary cap and they need revenue sharing

715
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,800
because they can't do this. And I made the point

716
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,559
very clearly. It said, well, socialism. I'm like, no, it's not,

717
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:12,199
because the NHL is a cartel and within the cartel.

718
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:15,400
All the players have to be equal, otherwise the cartel breaks.

719
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,519
And now the NHL is competing for the eyeballs and

720
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,880
the money compared to the NBA, the NFL, and and

721
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:28,199
you know Major League Baseball, which is now practically, you know,

722
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,159
moving into December every fucking year because we have to

723
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,199
have like, you know, an entire second season again because

724
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:36,159
they don't play in the fucking games. Those guys, I

725
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,599
mean personally, I've always said that the NHL would be

726
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:42,559
better served selling playing sixty two games during the year,

727
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:48,480
starting the Stanley Cup Finals in March as opposed to April,

728
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:51,360
and so you're not competing with any of the NBA finals.

729
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:54,559
The wear and tear on the players is less. Thet

730
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,960
the quality of the hockey goes through the fucking roof.

731
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,400
And you know, so what the the you have to

732
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,440
charge an extra you know, thirty percent per season tickets.

733
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,000
Season tickets already fucking stupidly expensive as it is, you know,

734
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,440
I mean, whatever, like pay the money and be or

735
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,320
pay the same price for fewer games. But who cares,

736
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,920
you'd get better You're gonna get a better quality product.

737
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: They'll just scream tradition. I'm gonna start because.

738
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,079
Speaker 8: Canada was just to win away from the title, and

739
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,840
with the series shifting to Montreal for the remainder of

740
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,079
the tournament, team USA's chances looked bleak.

741
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:38,679
Speaker 1: Read Giant's number fifteen. Now we have to go and

742
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,880
win not one, but two games up in Montreal.

743
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: You feel the importance of that game in the area.

744
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,079
Speaker 1: The crowd, the atmosphere was awesome.

745
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 8: There's Canadian flags, everybody's dressed in red.

746
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,639
Speaker 1: And a lot of energy, a lot of excitement, a

747
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:00,960
lot of nerves.

748
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,039
Speaker 6: There is an air of expectancy. The team Canada will

749
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:05,840
win here tonight.

750
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: You know.

751
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 9: I remember getting a phone call from my dad and

752
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:12,039
my dad was like, Hey, I'm in a hotel Canada

753
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,960
setting up the party for their World Cup win. So

754
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:18,480
you better do all you can Son to get get

755
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:21,679
out there and make sure that you spoil that party tonight.

756
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 16: With difficult situations like this, who was just kind of like,

757
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,960
all right, kid, we're going up there.

758
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: We're going to do it up there in front of

759
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,039
our own fans.

760
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:40,079
Speaker 10: Bent back to the point, John Claire has done the first.

761
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,559
Speaker 7: Goal of the game.

762
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,119
Speaker 3: That win hockey. It's got to be reckless. Abandoned Jo

763
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,679
who is that dropped down physical? You have to have

764
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,119
emotion to play this game tenacious, and we're just gonna

765
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:52,599
keep coming.

766
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 12: Doug.

767
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,119
Speaker 2: Wait, he went right into jar Day and took him

768
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:56,559
out nicely.

769
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,679
Speaker 8: And then much of it about the United States jumped

770
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,320
to a three one league, But the real story of

771
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,639
the night was the excellence of the American goaltender.

772
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: Mike Richter was incredible.

773
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 17: And I didn't another god.

774
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: Of Richter. I mean, he was like a brick wall back.

775
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: Then another brilliant shift by Canada.

776
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 2: But they can't be rictor.

777
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:24,559
Speaker 9: He was the best player for our team. And when

778
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:26,599
your goal is the best player, good things are going

779
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:27,039
to happen.

780
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:32,079
Speaker 4: Ron Wilsonith said, until we beat Canada in a meaningful game,

781
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,159
we can't say that we have respect.

782
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 6: They have beaten them in a meaningful game, even more

783
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,159
respect can be grabbed. One Saturday.

784
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,559
Speaker 1: Silence, silence. You can hear pin drop.

785
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,679
Speaker 13: Canadian fans thought the league game restored order shot in front?

786
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,360
Did we possibly lose this name fud to the United States?

787
00:41:59,440 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 7: This one?

788
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,639
Speaker 1: How he's all about?

789
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,079
Speaker 7: I mean, each team has one hand on the World

790
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:06,159
Cup and it's going to be a slug fest to

791
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:07,840
see who gets the other hand on them.

792
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,559
Speaker 10: This is what we dreamed of when we first heard

793
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,360
there'd be a World Cup of Hockey, that it would

794
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,079
go to a third.

795
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 6: Game in the US against Canada.

796
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: The expected team had played well and won the first game.

797
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,960
The other guys had won the second game, and so

798
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:27,440
now it becomes paramount to Canadian honor to win the

799
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:29,199
third game you're.

800
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: Expected to win.

801
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: Second place is not necessarily tolerated.

802
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 13: It's really the one thing we have over the Americans,

803
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:40,039
and we'd like to hold onto that.

804
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,679
Speaker 4: We'd like to bring down the American egle that they're

805
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,440
the best, and actually they're not.

806
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,559
Speaker 3: We stayed at the hotel, which is like a block

807
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:52,760
from the rink, so we're walking through with security like

808
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,320
thousands of people.

809
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: It's chaos.

810
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,679
Speaker 11: These people are painted, they got the Canadian lags going.

811
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: You know, people are yelling at us.

812
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 14: I'm not sure whoever says that Canadians are really polite

813
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,039
ever went to.

814
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:12,519
Speaker 3: It was just man, it was literally screaming at us

815
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,360
and it was like your rock stars going into a

816
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,599
place but they didn't want to hear you.

817
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,519
Speaker 6: This will likely be the largest crowd tonight. Do you

818
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,559
ever watch an international hockey game.

819
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:30,679
Speaker 5: Every kid who plays hockey in Canada dreams of that

820
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:34,199
moment to be standing on the blue line wearing a

821
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,960
Team Canada jersey, listening.

822
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:43,199
Speaker 1: To what's going on. That's why they put in those

823
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,559
ten thousand hours of practice. Little guy.

824
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,079
Speaker 2: Part of something incredible.

825
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 11: I love Canada or Canada.

826
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:58,559
Speaker 17: It's like the possibility of losing the Tmosa and Tmosa going.

827
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,920
We have a chance to beat Canada and knock the

828
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:03,880
king off the crown.

829
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 8: From the drop of the puck, the pace of play

830
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,360
was fast and furious. The game will score this midway

831
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,360
through the first period.

832
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,159
Speaker 1: Wait gave it to Leach leap cross.

833
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,199
Speaker 2: Bred hauls and the fu face off to it.

834
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,199
Speaker 7: Making a stage.

835
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,039
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a fucking one timer from that angle

836
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:32,360
right from that.

837
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,519
Speaker 2: One time shot from below the face off up against

838
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:40,480
the goddamn boards. Yeah, I hate Brett Hall, but you know, dude,

839
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,719
give it up to the man.

840
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,159
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it was always that thing when we

841
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,039
were growing up that we hated. There were certain players

842
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,440
we hated until they played for the national team, and

843
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:53,000
then when they played for the national team, it was

844
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,159
like all right, we yep.

845
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course, like obviously, but yeah, I mean,

846
00:44:58,159 --> 00:44:59,679
like half the guys in the ice that night.

847
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,199
Speaker 1: I'm they're going to fucking hate that guy.

848
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,679
Speaker 2: Hate that guy, hate that kick a his ass. And

849
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,039
I'm like, oh yeah, but I'm really happy that shellyos

850
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:09,800
is on our back line, and I like, gonna.

851
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 7: You're on the road.

852
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 8: The United States finished the first period with a one

853
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,599
nothing lead. In the second, things got more busy.

854
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:22,119
Speaker 1: They're fighting for every edge roll team.

855
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,119
Speaker 6: It's bast it's similating.

856
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,079
Speaker 1: It's the Bishops.

857
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: My son's now or sixteen or eighteen behind. They watched

858
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,840
the game with me. He asked me if there were

859
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,960
any rules, Were there any rules at all?

860
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,079
Speaker 1: Are these teams finishing their checks?

861
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 7: Oh?

862
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: Boy, they are really finishing their checks.

863
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: This was the toughest game I had to referee in

864
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,039
my professional career.

865
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: Harry Gregson is getting busy.

866
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:47,559
Speaker 2: Wasn't just an aggressive for check.

867
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,679
Speaker 1: It was aggressive everywhere. It was banging and hitting.

868
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,119
Speaker 2: I like to say there was a lot of hate

869
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,440
in that day. There's a game of battles, the battles

870
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,039
that you win both mentally and agree that.

871
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:02,639
Speaker 1: Allow you to have success.

872
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,639
Speaker 2: Right when Morello was the GM, I yeah, that makes sense.

873
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,280
What a shock like Lambarillo built beat built a team

874
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,719
that he thought could beat Cannon. Yep, that's simple, And

875
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,559
there wasn't And at that point in time, other than

876
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:25,119
possibly Ken Holland, who was in Detroit, there was nobody

877
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,320
else that you would have wanted to.

878
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,199
Speaker 1: Put that team together.

879
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,639
Speaker 2: And I remember the controverty now that they think about it,

880
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:32,719
I remember the controversy of who was put on, who

881
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,679
was left off, and everything else. It kind of comes

882
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,679
down to, like what her Brooks did with the Lake

883
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,360
Plastic team. If you haven't, If you guys haven't watched Miracle,

884
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,039
like holy shit, Like you can boycott Disney all you

885
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:46,119
fucking want. You go watch Miracle anyway, because one Kurt

886
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:50,000
Russell and but two that team, he knew exactly what

887
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:50,519
he needed.

888
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,679
Speaker 1: Oh greatest line in that greatest line in that movie was, oh,

889
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:56,320
a bunch of guys from Minnesota, a bunch of guys

890
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,679
from Boston. Yeah, this is gonna work. Anybody, Nobody, nobody

891
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,079
who knows anything. If you don't know about college hockey,

892
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:09,159
you don't understand how much Minnesota colleges and Boston colleges

893
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,239
and New England colleges hate each.

894
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: Other, hate each other without a doubt. But actually, my

895
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,000
favorite line in that movie is the it's probably a

896
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:19,880
bit of a dramatization. It's the last minute of the

897
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,639
game when you go you go over to the bench

898
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,360
and they're waiting for why he hasn't pulled. Uh, he

899
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,519
hasn't pulled, And then he goes he doesn't what to do.

900
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,199
And and as at that moment that in that performance

901
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,599
version of of of of of her Brooks that he's like,

902
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:39,800
oh my god, we can actually.

903
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: Win this game.

904
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,519
Speaker 2: He was not convinced they could win really until that

905
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,440
moment right there, and you know, you know, it makes Lily,

906
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,440
makes the whole thing works so well, Sorry.

907
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,079
Speaker 1: Go back and watch that game. After Eruzioni scores the goal,

908
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,639
the USA team plays a trap for the whole rest

909
00:47:59,639 --> 00:47:59,960
of the game.

910
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,559
Speaker 2: All the rest of the game, they just played the

911
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:02,079
left wing lock.

912
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was oh fucking the Russian team was

913
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,599
playing dump and dig. The Russian team was playing dump

914
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,480
and fucking dig. That's not that's not Russian hockey, not

915
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:16,920
at all.

916
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: But they didn't have anything, but they didn't have any

917
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:21,639
other way to gain the blue line because they were

918
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:23,360
standing up the blue line. They were standing four guys

919
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,079
on the blue line and like that's they were playing

920
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:29,239
the lock, and it was you know, yeah, so well,

921
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,880
at least the version of the lock that we have

922
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:33,559
that that you know that that existed at the time,

923
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:37,679
and yeah, well it's gonna be the same. I mean,

924
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:42,000
if you could probably go back and watch really watch

925
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:44,880
this game, you'd probably see the exact same thing.

926
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:45,679
Speaker 1: It was.

927
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: This was the era that the left wing lock dominated.

928
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,239
Everybody knew how to play it. They didn't have they

929
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,679
hadn't they hadn't figured out how to break it yet.

930
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,280
And it was Ken Hitchcock, another guy I can't stand.

931
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,599
It was Ken Hitchcock Elandie Rough that figured out how

932
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:02,880
to be the left wing along and they did it

933
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,159
two different ways. I don't remember how quite how Hitchcock

934
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:06,760
did it, but it was it was the drop pass

935
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,800
of the blue line. When you broke out of your zone,

936
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,000
you the forward would drop it back to the defenseman

937
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:14,639
and then it would be a four man rush or

938
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,400
five man rush. And that's how you beat the left

939
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,280
wing along. And it was on the Rough most mostly

940
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,599
could figured it out. H Hitchcock was doing a slightly

941
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:26,760
different version of it. But of course Hitchcock, you know,

942
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,960
was awarded a Stanley Cup by playing it perfectly with

943
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:36,000
a forty year old and agree egregiously icing the park.

944
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so oh, here's uh, here's Len Dross band Lendross

945
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,880
right on this uh on this pause now right there

946
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,199
on the back of the head A two minfl is

947
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,760
what Darry Greggs had handed out Carli A back call.

948
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:51,920
Probably a bad call.

949
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:54,159
Speaker 3: It was.

950
00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:00,679
Speaker 2: There was something going on. It was serious stick working, yeah, exactly.

951
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 8: I continued to rise throughout the second period. The nastiest

952
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,199
moment came from the stick of Keith Kuchuk.

953
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 2: Oh my, oh yeah, well.

954
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: Is being caught to by both lines. But this could

955
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,639
be a big decision. You have to take a position

956
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:20,599
that you can defend.

957
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,119
Speaker 17: You can't just say wow, we thought, you know, that's

958
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:27,159
why we conferred, because you know that's a huge, huge call.

959
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: Five minutes of Kachuck.

960
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,599
Speaker 6: Well, it's for the stick work, and that also carries

961
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:32,440
a game at Gondo.

962
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 2: He wanted to win.

963
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,559
Speaker 14: I wanted to win and probably stepped over the line.

964
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 2: But what are you gonna do?

965
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 14: It was a little bit of a warning shot by

966
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,400
the refs. I don't think anybody say I saw it coming,

967
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:49,599
but understood where they're coming from tough gotta lose, though

968
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:51,280
at that point tough gotta lose.

969
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,199
Speaker 8: A second period play resumed, the US turn to their

970
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,639
goaltender and Game two hero Mike Richter to preserve there

971
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:01,760
won nothing lead.

972
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 6: Bottle, you got it back the crane.

973
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 13: We were sitting right behind Richtor's cage, and how many

974
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:11,480
times we watch Canadian players put their hands up when

975
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:13,719
dress they did a couple of tis sure the puck

976
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:14,199
was in the it.

977
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: And it wasn't.

978
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,519
Speaker 16: He's right on top of the un The one Vivision

979
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,519
memory I do have is of Mike richtors save on

980
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:32,000
on Benny damfos.

981
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 6: Oh it back out here.

982
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,599
Speaker 17: He came down on a pretty clean breakaway and he

983
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,000
kind of deeped me out of my jack a little bit.

984
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,039
Speaker 14: I went too hard on on his second to last

985
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:49,039
team and then he went to stuff in. I was

986
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:50,480
able to get my stick back there.

987
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 6: In a good game.

988
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:54,679
Speaker 1: The big legend got a blackie players A. Richtor is

989
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,119
becoming a lessons already.

990
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 14: I can feel kind of the stadium going up there

991
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:02,960
and then it then it wasn't, And that was That

992
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:05,159
was a good feeling, because you know that that can

993
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,119
frustrate a team that can frustrate even an.

994
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:11,079
Speaker 11: Arena, and at some point you're wondering, will you ever

995
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:12,199
get another one by this guy?

996
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 2: In that second period, Richter stopped it shot.

997
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: So I mean, definitely, that's one of the toughest to

998
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,599
ever play the game.

999
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: Tom. I never I I you know, I never bought

1000
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,239
into the whole Scott Stevens is, you know, tough but clean.

1001
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,800
I never bought that. I watched him.

1002
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 8: Oh no, he was, you know, he was a very

1003
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:38,000
hockey player, and with just seconds to go the United

1004
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:39,760
States led one nothing.

1005
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 12: Everybody just kept pushing and kept believing and focused on

1006
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,079
our entire energy, you know, trying to tie it up.

1007
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 6: Went ross tough to pass across Reretsky.

1008
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,559
Speaker 1: There ain't going very knocked out turner that.

1009
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,519
Speaker 14: I was so disappointed. I knew I saw him coming,

1010
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,599
and I thought I should have had that goal.

1011
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: I was.

1012
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 14: You just don't like giving up a gold going in

1013
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:04,719
the locker room.

1014
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:08,599
Speaker 3: We're tied up and won a five point five seconds

1015
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:09,920
to go on the second period.

1016
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's put the buck on the ice underneath

1017
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:16,400
the right arm. A Mike Richner a power play goal.

1018
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,639
Speaker 3: That was tough five seconds left in me and you

1019
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,079
go into that room and you have all that work

1020
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:26,599
you just put into it, and back to square one.

1021
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,199
You give up those goals late in the periods in

1022
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,079
close games, those teams usually lose.

1023
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,639
Speaker 2: There's a guy that uh Doug, Wait, there's a guy

1024
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,000
I boiled in anonymity of it every three years and years.

1025
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:45,519
Speaker 7: You know.

1026
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: What a hell of a player. He was a hell

1027
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:49,360
of a player.

1028
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 2: We are back at the Wholson Center in Montreal.

1029
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 7: Someone said, you're going, you know, won one game in

1030
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,360
the final period against Canada for in the World Championship.

1031
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: You take that every day, that crowd and joint. I'm

1032
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,559
not a great hockey game.

1033
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 8: The United States dominated early in the third that marked

1034
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,679
quite the seven the year, but failed to convert. Midway

1035
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,840
through the period, the game was still tied at one.

1036
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,159
Speaker 5: I remember how exciting he was, you know that holy

1037
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,320
cow third period. We had a good feeling. You know,

1038
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,400
we're all elite players. We all loved the opportunity to

1039
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:29,400
be a part of history.

1040
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 6: All can't get on the board.

1041
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:32,679
Speaker 1: But it's a.

1042
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:36,519
Speaker 2: League for the first.

1043
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: Time in the honey game.

1044
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,119
Speaker 14: You gotta be kidney. After all, we've kind of weathered.

1045
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 10: I know Arctor has yet to see it, and he

1046
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:49,519
heard that awful song behind him when the buck hit

1047
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:50,000
the truck.

1048
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 12: I guess happened so many times in history for Canada.

1049
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,280
You know, we need a big goal and Canada has

1050
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,039
always seemed to have been able to get it. And

1051
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,480
sure enough we got it again.

1052
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: Ned score but set to go.

1053
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 17: When he scores that goal, you would have thought the

1054
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,519
bench would have just went, and it almost went the

1055
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:17,079
other way. Every guy perked up, the coaches, the players,

1056
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:20,519
everyone went like, oh, now we gotta go.

1057
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 8: But time was running out for the US. With less

1058
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:27,239
than four minutes to go, they trailed two to one.

1059
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,159
It looked like Goliath would win again.

1060
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 6: The expect from Helena on Canada.

1061
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: Then came this help from new.

1062
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:41,679
Speaker 6: You wired importantly, you.

1063
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:56,519
Speaker 1: Want time with spreadhole, Ryan, and I just I get

1064
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:57,000
of it.

1065
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 11: Kujo's looking up for the pocket and goes bounces.

1066
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah but but but I mean, you have to think

1067
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,800
that's a high stick though you have to. It was

1068
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:10,920
really fringing close.

1069
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,559
Speaker 2: I think it hits the I think it might have

1070
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:14,880
hit his the blade of the stick which was below

1071
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:19,199
his shoulders, because it's the I remember that. I remember

1072
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:20,760
that goal, and now that I think about it, yeah,

1073
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,599
can you watch it, watch the replay.

1074
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,559
Speaker 1: They're gonna do the replace.

1075
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 6: Celebrate just yet, today's demplaining it was a high stick.

1076
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,280
Gregson is going to.

1077
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 10: Call upstairs to the video goal judge and see if

1078
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,639
the sixth it was over the crossbod Oh baby, that

1079
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:39,440
is both.

1080
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,119
Speaker 11: It was awfully close, wasn't it.

1081
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:45,559
Speaker 2: It could be, It might not be.

1082
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: It isn't.

1083
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 6: They are continuing to view it.

1084
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: We had some concern on the bench all He's like,

1085
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,960
there's no way they're counting this.

1086
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 17: Well, yeah, because we were in Canada. I said, for

1087
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,719
sure where they're gonna screw up. Says yes, and they didn't.

1088
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 11: I was like, holy mackerel, things have changed, like.

1089
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,639
Speaker 1: Over time right now, three eighteen to go.

1090
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 4: Ron Wilson addressed Tony A. Monty the morning of the

1091
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,519
third game.

1092
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 9: Ron said something to the effect you know you've got

1093
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,000
to win it tonight.

1094
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,239
Speaker 4: And jokingly A Monty responded, can I be Mike Ruzione

1095
00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:33,559
and Wilson said, sure, you're ugly, you're Italian and you

1096
00:57:33,639 --> 00:57:35,960
went to Boston University just like he did.

1097
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: You don't want me to go? He minded too.

1098
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:40,519
Speaker 18: After when.

1099
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,159
Speaker 2: I think it was the twenty one was an objection.

1100
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: Yep.

1101
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 6: Curtis Joseph came out and played it to Greg said

1102
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:55,559
that it was kicks.

1103
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: Oh hell no, I didn't kick it hit me.

1104
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,079
Speaker 9: When they went for the review, it was definitely fighting,

1105
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,440
you know, saying, you know that was all stick.

1106
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: That was all stick, Kerry. Greg was in the left corner,

1107
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,880
he was looking right at the play and he was

1108
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,079
emphatic that it was a goal. Now was being questioned.

1109
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: We were really in. That's a legitimate goal that goes in.

1110
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:23,199
That's a good goal. I point goal Tea I had

1111
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,960
created too. He didn't make any kicking motion. He was

1112
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,960
a skating park Ven hit a skate.

1113
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 4: Two goals by teas, both of them review the both

1114
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:37,280
up the bound account.

1115
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 5: Hey there's still time on the clock. There's still opportunity

1116
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:45,719
for us to tie the game up with.

1117
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: Less than a minute.

1118
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: Offensive zones. This is in Sanata.

1119
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 9: Their goalie, Messi is on the drawer in his back end.

1120
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,039
Obviously at the time he was one of the best face.

1121
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: Off men in the world.

1122
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:03,119
Speaker 1: Messi against Joel Otto on the face off yeah, I mean.

1123
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,599
Speaker 2: Yeah the world.

1124
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 9: He wins to draw back to the point and Gretzky

1125
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,880
kind of slips to the back door.

1126
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: I see him standing there. I'm like, this guy's the

1127
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,320
greatest score Every's wide open.

1128
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:18,639
Speaker 5: When your team is down a goal, who do you

1129
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:20,599
want to have the puck wing Gretzky?

1130
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: Great? He stepping up some Presky home man.

1131
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:33,719
Speaker 2: Wayne Gretzky had a chance to puck Glass right off

1132
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,840
the blade of his stick through his legs and why.

1133
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,599
Speaker 17: Yeah, the greatest player that ever lived. You know when

1134
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:40,960
he misses from there, you know someone's on your side.

1135
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,119
Speaker 10: Now I'm back enderby doubles and sail all the way

1136
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:46,119
back down the eyes head.

1137
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 3: First, I've never felt like that. It was an amazing feeling.

1138
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,960
And then that he kind of ended it with a just.

1139
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: A real special goal, and Mark has.

1140
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 6: A real one end and in there and Tamusa has

1141
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,400
a line.

1142
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: For truly, all these goals had got in.

1143
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,199
Speaker 7: It was like four goals in three and a half minutes,

1144
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:19,360
so we could actually enjoy the last ten or fifteen

1145
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,800
seconds of the clock counting down.

1146
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,199
Speaker 6: Jamisa has won the world.

1147
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: Come Usa the ice with the suther.

1148
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 17: I had no idea what to do. I looked at

1149
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,239
Chris Chelios and I say, I go, what do I

1150
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,440
donumber one?

1151
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: Right?

1152
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,079
Speaker 11: And he goes, It'll drop your stick and gloves and

1153
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,320
come give me a hug.

1154
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 6: This is no miracle. It is a reward for building excellent.

1155
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 14: It felt great, you know, we were felt so proud.

1156
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:00,519
Putting on your country's jersey is always it is really

1157
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:01,320
a special thing.

1158
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: We did it.

1159
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 16: We did what we set out to do. We held

1160
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:14,519
our ground against Canada, and we did it in Canada.

1161
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,239
Speaker 1: Darin was a part of those Dallas teams with with Hitchcock.

1162
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:26,760
They played better, they scored more wolves.

1163
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: We lost.

1164
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do?

1165
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it happened to a lot are in Canada.

1166
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: We don't ever play for Cycon place, and.

1167
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: When you lose, it's devastating.

1168
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 18: Canada's hockey fans could use a national therapy session. There

1169
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:53,239
are millions of depressed Canadians out there. As the United

1170
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,960
States beat Team Canada to win the first World Cup

1171
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:57,800
of Hockey.

1172
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 11: Was like mourning.

1173
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,079
Speaker 17: People wouldn't speak, they wouldn't even look, and they knew

1174
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,599
who we were. It was like, oh my god. It

1175
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:11,239
was like the Montreal had turned into zombies.

1176
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: The best team usually went. We've played a Canada, We've

1177
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,440
played a great game. Unfortunately USA played a better game.

1178
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,519
Speaker 7: I remember being a kind of a smart Alec myself

1179
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:28,559
and saying that Canada's flying their flags at half mass.

1180
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 5: I think the Americans winning And I hate to say

1181
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,719
this because you know the rivalry, but you know, them

1182
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,000
winning was great for hockey.

1183
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 6: This is that Jock Gain, he plays for hockey in

1184
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:44,800
the United States.

1185
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 8: Just as many of the players on the ninety sixteen

1186
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,039
were inspired by the events at Lake Placid, so too,

1187
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,559
in some ways, a younger generation of Americans were inspired

1188
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:58,599
by this team for.

1189
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,119
Speaker 4: USA hockey and for little kids playing the game who

1190
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:04,920
are now professionals now. It was enormous.

1191
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: I remember watching the game.

1192
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 13: I mean I was I was twelve at the time,

1193
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:10,840
but I remember gegens like us.

1194
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: We grew up idolizing and wanting to be this is

1195
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,039
the best.

1196
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:20,119
Speaker 6: American Alerican history led us from post to post. Congratulate

1197
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:21,719
the American team.

1198
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,599
Speaker 2: It was David and Eliath.

1199
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 7: It came right into the lions Den and be Canada

1200
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,039
in its home game, Tiler.

1201
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:33,559
Speaker 4: And it was guys who believed and collected them. So

1202
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:37,559
I was in August in Providence and in thirty days time.

1203
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: Went to the top of the mountain. Yeah, I'll tell you, man,

1204
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,920
there is No. I've seen every professional sport live. There

1205
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,159
was nothing like Sia Naki.

1206
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: No, No, there really isn't. And I was complaining a

1207
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,679
little bit earlier about it, but you know, it is

1208
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,280
a it is. It is an amazing thing. And you know,

1209
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:15,000
I can I watched thousands, hundreds of tens of thousands

1210
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:18,039
of hours of hockey on television. I've I've been, I've

1211
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,920
been to you know, easily a dozen games. But you know,

1212
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,599
when you learn how to watch the game on TV,

1213
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:25,679
it's a very difficult game to watch on television. You

1214
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,440
have to know the game to be able to anticipate

1215
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,199
where the puck is going because the camera can't see

1216
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:32,920
you or can't show you everything. So I would run

1217
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,719
into this all the time. They'd be sitting there watching

1218
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,880
a game with with my friends or my family or whatever,

1219
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,519
and they're just like watching the puck going back and forth,

1220
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:43,320
and I'm like jumping out of my skin because I

1221
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,119
know where the other guys on the ice are, right,

1222
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,519
I know where everybody is, even when I can't see them.

1223
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:50,199
I know where the puck is going to go. I know,

1224
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,000
and I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, I'm like,

1225
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:53,440
what the fuck are you talking about? Oh my god,

1226
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,800
because the best part about this game is that the

1227
01:04:58,079 --> 01:04:59,920
and we complained earlier that the rink is too small

1228
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,000
for the guys who are playing the game today. But

1229
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:07,400
what hockey has that no other professional team sport really

1230
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:12,400
has is that the entire field is dangerous everywhere on

1231
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:13,880
the at all times.

1232
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: No.

1233
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: No interaction between players is insignificant, none. I don't give

1234
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,920
a shit. If it's a defenseman standing behind his net

1235
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,519
directing the breakout, it doesn't matter. That's like the least

1236
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,599
tense moment of a game of hockey. And even then,

1237
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:34,000
there's eighteen ways that can go badly, depending on the

1238
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:36,039
type of four check, depending on the type of the

1239
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:41,679
lock that they're playing, or whatever. And it's and because

1240
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:44,719
of that, it's a game. It's a constant motion, read

1241
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,199
and react at all times.

1242
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,719
Speaker 1: I you know, I make fun of it.

1243
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,559
Speaker 2: We talked about earlier.

1244
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:49,079
Speaker 1: I make fun of it.

1245
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: I called soccer slow hockey on grass because it is.

1246
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,119
It's slow. This field is to goddamn big. There's too many,

1247
01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:58,840
there's not there's there's there's not enough players, and it's

1248
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,719
and the whole thing is not a pressure cooker game

1249
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,320
of hockey. Properly played is sixty minutes for the pressure cooker,

1250
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,480
and it never relents until the pucks, until that the

1251
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,079
horn goes in, the horn goes off, and hopefully it's

1252
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:19,239
not tied. And then you've watched and you've watched any

1253
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:27,920
like multi overtime games in the playoffs, you're like, well,

1254
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,679
there's a point where you're like, you just you just

1255
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,000
hope somebody wins, just so that the poor guys don't

1256
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:35,039
like die of dehydration.

1257
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:40,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, Colorado when they beat Florida in the ninety six

1258
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:45,280
in game four went to three, it was three overtimes,

1259
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:52,360
and then Ui Croup, a freaking European defenseman, just takes

1260
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,960
a puck off off the boards and throws it at

1261
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,840
the it and it goes past Van Besberg. Yeah, and

1262
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,679
there's a game Yeah.

1263
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:03,039
Speaker 2: No, I'm I mean the game that you know, I

1264
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,400
you know, the Breadthole overtime goal against the Sabers was

1265
01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:11,239
was the third overtime. That was a three overtime game,

1266
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:13,960
and that game would have ended five minutes into the

1267
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,079
first overtime and the Buffalo would have won the Stanley

1268
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:18,400
Cup had Jason Willly not banging off the fucking iron

1269
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:24,800
beat fucking Eddie belfour clean from the blue line, bounces

1270
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,920
off the you know, bounces off the iron. We keep going.

1271
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:34,519
But it was Pittsburgh in Philadelphia that went five fucking overtimes. Yep,

1272
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,239
where three overtimes in they were calling in pizza because

1273
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,880
the arena was out of food, Like the players were empty.

1274
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: They needed to eat.

1275
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: They've been playing, they've played two full games at this point.

1276
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,880
They played almost three full games of hockey in one night.

1277
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,639
It was insane. And guys are cramping and and you know,

1278
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:58,960
and I I hear the you know, the calls of well,

1279
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,559
maybe we should go to the shoot out in the

1280
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:02,960
you know, or you know, we should limit the number

1281
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:03,840
of overtimes.

1282
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: Or whatever like.

1283
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: No, this is the one sport you can't do that

1284
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,119
as the Samley Cup, you know. And there's this is

1285
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,119
the this is there's a lesson here for everybody. You know,

1286
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:17,760
the game of hockey has every lesson you can ask for.

1287
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,119
This is where you find out what you're actually made of.

1288
01:08:22,119 --> 01:08:25,800
This is when you find out, you know, what is

1289
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:30,920
what's fucking important to you? And there is no virtue

1290
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,880
signaling in the goddamn locker room.

1291
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: And you know, we got a little bit there.

1292
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,359
Speaker 2: We did a little bit of sandbag on people tonight.

1293
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:41,960
But the truth of the matter is the reason we

1294
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:44,079
did this is because of what's going on in the

1295
01:08:44,119 --> 01:08:47,640
world today, right, because the Canadians really need to stop

1296
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,560
fucking virtue signaling and get over themselves and realize that

1297
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,119
they have more in common with us than they do

1298
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:52,960
a fucking europe.

1299
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,039
Speaker 1: The what most people won't realize unless you play the

1300
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:03,800
game is and I've had like marathoners who took up

1301
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,399
the game say this, like took it up later in life.

1302
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,680
They're like, I didn't think that there was anything that

1303
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,199
could exhaust me in thirty to forty seconds then jumping

1304
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,359
out on the ice and taking a shift. Yeah, these

1305
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,760
are people who can run twenty six point two miles

1306
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,640
in three hours, right, and within within thirty to forty seconds,

1307
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,399
they're winded, and you know, they have their stick up

1308
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,159
and they're climbing over they're climbing back over the boards.

1309
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,960
I mean as a kid, you know, and I used

1310
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,079
to I used to run five miles at night when

1311
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:37,960
I played. I had great wind, and it was like

1312
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:40,920
thirty to forty seconds that I'm done. I mean, it's

1313
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,880
like yeah, and yeah.

1314
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,239
Speaker 2: One of the things that was interesting you bring this

1315
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,079
up right, there was like in the old days, like

1316
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:49,800
when we used to watch this when we were kids.

1317
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:51,640
You know, those guys would take you know, minut and

1318
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,479
a half two minute shifts. The top lines would take

1319
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:54,560
minut and a half two minute shifts.

1320
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:55,039
Speaker 1: Was insane.

1321
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 2: Today the game is absolutely a thirty second ship for

1322
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:58,560
you get your ass off the.

1323
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: Ice, right.

1324
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:05,520
Speaker 2: One of the interesting things that that was about Brian Hambell,

1325
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,479
of all people, the Buffalo and then Florida defenseman. I

1326
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,960
don't remember if where he wound up after Farida at

1327
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,359
any point, but Campbell had unbelievable wind. That guy could

1328
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,520
take three and four minute shifts on the blue line

1329
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,359
and skate both ends of the ice. I mean, you

1330
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,479
get defensemans trapped down the ice for two minute shifts

1331
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,920
all the time because you're taught. You're moving the lines

1332
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,880
every thirty seconds, every thirty to forty seconds, but your

1333
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,560
defenseman are on a two minute shift.

1334
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: Generally, especially in the second especially in the second period

1335
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,239
when you have to go all the way for it.

1336
01:10:35,319 --> 01:10:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got the long change, right, Yeah, And yeah

1337
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:40,279
you got the long change. You can't get the defenseman

1338
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:42,399
off the ice and then when they did away with

1339
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,079
you know, changing the lines after changing the players after

1340
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,720
an icing, right, so there was no more dumping the

1341
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,520
puck down the ice to get guys off the ice,

1342
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,560
which is how Ken Hitchcock wont a goddamn Stanley Cup

1343
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,640
with a bounch forty year olds fucked card. But again

1344
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,000
that that that that that happened. It was so great,

1345
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:03,640
regis during that Stanley Cup finals. Did they changed the

1346
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,600
rule the next year? It was the next year that

1347
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,359
they did that because they went through and they looked

1348
01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:10,720
at the whole thing and when we got to change

1349
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,880
that rule, that's clearly, you know, that clearly cost Buffalo

1350
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,000
the Stanley Cup. Clearly, to be honest with you, it

1351
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:21,319
cost Dallas. It should have cost Dallas in the first

1352
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:25,399
round against Edmonton, because Dallas should have never got out

1353
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,079
of the first round against fucking Edmonton if it wasn't

1354
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:30,800
for the stupid crease rule and the pisses. The reason

1355
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,680
why the Brettthull goal still pisses me off to this

1356
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,000
day is because if you go back and watch the

1357
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,600
first round games of Dallas versus Edmonton, you'll realize that

1358
01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:46,680
Dallas that Edmonton had three game winning goals called off

1359
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,600
for creased violations unless egregious creased violations of what Brett

1360
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,760
Hall scored, the Stanley Cup clinching goal, Todd Mark Shatt scored,

1361
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,000
he should have won, They should have won Game four,

1362
01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,439
whatever it was. Doug Waite scored, and they were all

1363
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:04,640
called off for no goddamn reason other than well, yeah maybe,

1364
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,319
and it was terrible. And then what happened was after

1365
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,840
the first round of the Edmonton of the first round

1366
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,000
against Edmonton. Internally the NHL said we have to liberalize

1367
01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:17,720
the crease role and they did it during the fucking finals,

1368
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,600
which was again, this is why at the end of

1369
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,039
the game, at the end of the day, it's a

1370
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:27,119
great game and a fucking ship league that operates.

1371
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:31,159
Speaker 1: It and then owns the Stanley Cup, the only destroyed hockey.

1372
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, many and ma anyways, he has but again,

1373
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,239
but then, but Betman is just a reflection of the

1374
01:12:37,279 --> 01:12:40,159
world we live in today. He's a he's a he's

1375
01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:45,760
a reflection of the of basically fucking woke and communism,

1376
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,920
everything that was happening in the game of hockey for

1377
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:50,920
years that Grapes used to complain about and he was

1378
01:12:51,039 --> 01:12:54,880
right about. And the basic divide between the real Canada

1379
01:12:55,319 --> 01:13:00,319
and the fucking Lawrence and elites, as as reper ended

1380
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:06,920
by Ron McLean. It was staring you in the face

1381
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:13,319
the entire time and you could see it coming. And

1382
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,319
now we're here in now today. It's it's it's a

1383
01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:18,600
shadow of it. It's a shadow of itself in many ways.

1384
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,880
Even though possibly the greatest player to ever like lace

1385
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,680
on skates, Connor mc david is, you know, tearing it

1386
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,520
up and that's you know, nothing taking nothing away from

1387
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,159
Alasobetkin or anything, you know. But but McDavid is, like,

1388
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,159
you know, again, another generational talent and you know, I

1389
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:37,399
Edmontonian's look at me and go, oh dude, McDavid. He

1390
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,760
makes Gretzky look like a fucking farm boy in his

1391
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,199
ability to see the ice and play and have the

1392
01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:47,800
whole thing. He's the whole package of Gretzky's ability to

1393
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,279
see the ice and the physical package to go along

1394
01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:55,239
with it. And yeah, I watched it, you know, in

1395
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:58,199
you know, the last couple of games of the finals

1396
01:13:58,199 --> 01:14:01,239
of like, oh yeah, you can see that immediately, and.

1397
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,119
Speaker 1: Well, you know, one of the one of the things

1398
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:08,439
people who didn't grow up watching it and didn't get

1399
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:09,960
to watch it in the ear. We watched it and

1400
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:15,479
was that it was it's a caveman sport. But also

1401
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,760
you police your own and that was you know, that's

1402
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,600
why you had. You had the goons, you had the enforcers.

1403
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:28,079
The enforcers were there too, sometimes just to fight other

1404
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,520
to fight other enforcers so that, you know, so that

1405
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,039
the tension that's happening between teams can be taken can

1406
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:37,880
be taken away. But also a lot of times you

1407
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,319
had fighting just because it was like, Okay, this the

1408
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,399
guy did something dirty and you know you're not going

1409
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,520
to complain about it. You need to do something about it.

1410
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,000
You need to police this, you know. And I remember

1411
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:51,920
that I was talking to someone and they like and

1412
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,319
I was trying to explain hockey to them, and they

1413
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,720
thought that like fighting, you could just fight and there

1414
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,159
was no penalties, right, And I'm like, no, you you

1415
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:02,520
get a pet. You have to sit for five minutes,

1416
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,319
you know in the way. Yeah, I don't know. Now,

1417
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,960
probably probably you get a game.

1418
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 2: Fighting Fighting is at least to at least to five

1419
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:13,680
and possibly a game depending on.

1420
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's just ridiculous, And people don't realize it was.

1421
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,600
It was a bunch of frigging a bunch of Canadian

1422
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,000
farm kids, a bunch and some of them were from

1423
01:15:26,039 --> 01:15:27,960
the East Coast, and you know, they grew up a

1424
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,640
little more. They grew up with a little more money

1425
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,920
and a lot of and a lot of Minnesota and Boston.

1426
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,600
You know, the kids had had money. Some of the

1427
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,159
Minnesota kids might might not had money. But the Boston kid,

1428
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:41,720
the Boston kids came for money and everything. But they

1429
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:46,720
were hard asses, man, they were hard asses. And it

1430
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:54,079
was it was just a game that was It was royal,

1431
01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:57,439
it was it was like it's literally like the King

1432
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:04,159
of sports because I think you there, there's nothing when

1433
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:06,119
you look at it in its purest form if you

1434
01:16:06,279 --> 01:16:09,199
watch it, like if you watch the late seventies into

1435
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:12,000
the eighties and even into the mid nineties, it was

1436
01:16:13,079 --> 01:16:17,760
just people going out there to play for the sake

1437
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:25,880
of playing a game. I remember the after when the

1438
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,000
Islanders won the fourth but when they won their fourth

1439
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,479
Stanley Cup in a row and they beat Edmondson and

1440
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:34,800
they said that it was Edmonton, right, was the fourth

1441
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,760
in eighty four. I think it was yeah to lose

1442
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,239
before they could win, just like everybody else. Yeah, and

1443
01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:45,039
I think Paul Coffee, I think Paul Coffee said, he said,

1444
01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:48,640
I remember we were we lost, and we're like, all right,

1445
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,800
let's go into the city and party, because you know,

1446
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,199
it was out on Loong the last game was out

1447
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:56,680
on Long Island, and he said, I'm walking past the

1448
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,399
island er locker room and I look at in there

1449
01:17:01,079 --> 01:17:06,520
and like like pot Van is laying flat on his

1450
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,880
back on the floor, just hyperventilating because he left it

1451
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,159
all out on the ice. And we're going to party

1452
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,920
because this guy can't even get up right now and

1453
01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:19,880
probably needs probably needs oxygen probably you know, you know,

1454
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,720
needs fluids, and we're going out to party. We didn't

1455
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,239
leave it all out of the ice, he goes, And

1456
01:17:24,359 --> 01:17:25,640
that was when we knew what we had to do

1457
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,800
next to the following year. Yep, exactly exactly. Yeah.

1458
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: No, and al Arbor, like Len say there and others,

1459
01:17:35,079 --> 01:17:39,479
was a tyrant. He had to be, you know, the

1460
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,439
same way that you know, watch again watch Miracle, watch

1461
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,239
her Brooks to get a taste of what a coach

1462
01:17:46,359 --> 01:17:48,319
is willing to do to put his players through in

1463
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:53,079
order to get them ready to play this game at

1464
01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:58,760
its highest level. And there's funny story about that.

1465
01:17:58,960 --> 01:17:59,039
Speaker 13: Right.

1466
01:17:59,119 --> 01:18:01,079
Speaker 2: My wife doesn't it doesn't know any of this stuff.

1467
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:02,560
We go to see we got to watch the movie

1468
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,439
in the theaters because we're hockey fans at this point.

1469
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,680
When it comes out and we're watching the watching the movie,

1470
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,039
and she's like, she turns to me, she goes, they lose. Right,

1471
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:13,039
I'm like, no, honey, they win.

1472
01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:15,119
Speaker 1: She's like, what the fuck?

1473
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,520
Speaker 2: They win? And she's like, oh my god, you're right.

1474
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:20,880
You don't remember the story.

1475
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 14: You weren't.

1476
01:18:22,039 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not a lot. I mean you were.

1477
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,359
Speaker 2: I know you were alive back in nineteen eighty. Like really, okay,

1478
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:29,279
because okay, so Southern Ohio really is a different fucking

1479
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:33,359
world because where I was, when I was when that game.

1480
01:18:33,279 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: Happened, it was it was a big, big deal.

1481
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just because it was the United States

1482
01:18:41,079 --> 01:18:43,399
versus the Soviet Union. It was because it.

1483
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: Was a bunch.

1484
01:18:44,039 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 2: It was everything that was wrong with the way the

1485
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,920
Olympics were at the time, which is that you know,

1486
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,880
the Soviet block teams, because they weren't professionals by definition,

1487
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:55,439
they could put men on the ice.

1488
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: They could put and they.

1489
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 2: Trained all your want, whereas our kids over here. Yeah

1490
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,760
they got some state support and blah blah blah blah,

1491
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,359
but it was basically it was them playing for the

1492
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,479
love of playing. It doesn't matter what sport it was.

1493
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:13,439
And it was absolutely at the at its greatest, like

1494
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:18,720
hotomy in the sport of hockey because it's such a

1495
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,199
team sport. These kids are eighteen to twenty one year olds,

1496
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,079
you know, once they're twenty one there, you know, once

1497
01:19:23,119 --> 01:19:24,760
they're eight, you know, once they're done, like they're going

1498
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,359
to go to the NHL, and they had to stay

1499
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,239
in school, right, some of them were third stringers that

1500
01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:34,720
were never undrafted, so you had to so the old

1501
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,880
men on the team, likeer Uzioni, who were undrafted.

1502
01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:42,079
Speaker 1: Right. Jim Craig, Jim Craig played thirty games in the NHL.

1503
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he played for Calgary.

1504
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: Was terrible. Yeah, he never lived up to that.

1505
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 2: Again, No, he was an average goaltender and he was

1506
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:58,800
a good HL goaltender, but for that tournament, he was

1507
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,000
the greatest goaltender.

1508
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 1: Over Yeah, I mean without it out and then every

1509
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,640
week period, what are you going to do? And then

1510
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,279
when you when you go fast forward sixteen years to

1511
01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:13,159
the World Cup, and you know, I know they're all

1512
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:17,560
professionals and everything like that. I mean Richter, Yeah, and

1513
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,560
basically everyone, all of the Canadian coaches that were interviewed

1514
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,760
after that said yeah, I mean Richter stood on his head.

1515
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:26,479
Richter won that whole thing. I mean, that's why he was.

1516
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,880
That was why he was the MVP. Brett Hole was

1517
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,199
the leading scorer in the whole in the whole tournament,

1518
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,239
but Richter, Richter won, won for them.

1519
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,199
Speaker 2: But it was, it was, but there was the era

1520
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:39,560
in which goaltenders could do that.

1521
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was ninety it was nine John John

1522
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,279
Van John Van Beesbrook, you know, taking taking Florida three

1523
01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:47,920
third years.

1524
01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:51,199
Speaker 2: I every it was everybody, it was. It was the

1525
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:54,560
era of the goaltender. You know, it was like I

1526
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,039
grew up in the seventies, right, I can't watch the

1527
01:20:58,079 --> 01:21:01,840
game baseball anymore because guys have e ra as, you know,

1528
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:06,159
greater than three who don't pitch an entire game. Because

1529
01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:08,479
I grew up with Steve. I grew up with with

1530
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,279
with with Tom, with with with Tom Seaver. I grew

1531
01:21:11,359 --> 01:21:13,800
up with you know, with with Ron Guidry. I guess

1532
01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:18,239
N five and three and you know in three with

1533
01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:19,560
A one three six.

1534
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 13: E r A.

1535
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,239
Speaker 2: And then Mark was you know, and and and and

1536
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,680
he still might not have won the cy Young that

1537
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:35,000
year because Mark Vidris was having in the equally unbelievable

1538
01:21:35,079 --> 01:21:39,199
year with Detroit and an exceedingly average team with an

1539
01:21:39,279 --> 01:21:42,439
unbelievable with one unbelievable pitcher. I mean, not saying that

1540
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,560
they didn't have other but yeah, it was just like

1541
01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:48,479
it was. And that's baseball. And one of the you know,

1542
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,600
I was talking with with Extra White about this stuff

1543
01:21:51,279 --> 01:21:53,239
when we were putting the last months newsletter together and

1544
01:21:53,319 --> 01:21:55,039
we and he said, you know, one of the things

1545
01:21:55,039 --> 01:21:58,720
about baseball, which is this in in all of sports,

1546
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,640
it's one of the few things which is it's a

1547
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,640
there is that purity of the picture versus the hitter,

1548
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:10,880
and nothing happens until this one on one confrontation is

1549
01:22:11,039 --> 01:22:15,520
resolved in some way. Baseball doesn't happen without mano a mano.

1550
01:22:16,079 --> 01:22:20,399
That's what's happening here, right, And you know, there's no

1551
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,840
zone this, there's no there's no team until the pitcher

1552
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:27,640
and the hitter resolve their shit. And it's a very

1553
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:29,840
you know, as he put it, it's a very Greek thing,

1554
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,760
and it's a very you know, it's a very you know,

1555
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,079
apex of human achievement kind of thing. And in many ways,

1556
01:22:39,119 --> 01:22:40,720
the same thing goes along, you know, the same things

1557
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,399
happened with the game of hockey. At the end of

1558
01:22:42,399 --> 01:22:45,359
the day, it comes down to when is that guy

1559
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,319
going to take a shot? And what is the goaltender

1560
01:22:48,399 --> 01:22:53,319
going to do about it? And it happens all the time.

1561
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,159
Now there's all the other guys that are setting up

1562
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:58,680
in order to make sure that that you can balance,

1563
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,319
you can ship the probabilities of going in the net

1564
01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:05,439
in your favor. But still, at the end of the day,

1565
01:23:06,199 --> 01:23:09,079
it comes down to you and me. And though obviously

1566
01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:12,279
the penalty shot is and and okay, just to give

1567
01:23:12,359 --> 01:23:14,800
us an idea, the penalty shot in hockey.

1568
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:18,199
Speaker 1: Chance of going in.

1569
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 2: That's how tough this fucking sport is. At the end

1570
01:23:21,039 --> 01:23:23,720
of the day. Good the goaltenders are they stop two

1571
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,119
out of every three penalty shots.

1572
01:23:28,399 --> 01:23:33,279
Speaker 1: Yep, you know it's you know, it was an insane game.

1573
01:23:34,039 --> 01:23:36,000
And I think it was on ESPN because I know

1574
01:23:36,119 --> 01:23:39,279
I saw it. Lemuse scored a goal every possible way,

1575
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:46,600
full strength, shorthanded, penalty shot, empty net, and what's the

1576
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,319
other way power yeah.

1577
01:23:49,359 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 2: Power play, shorthanded, even strength, empty net.

1578
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: All in one, all in one game.

1579
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I watched that game.

1580
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,359
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, you want to talk about it. Guy, I

1581
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:00,600
mean we get oh, well.

1582
01:24:03,079 --> 01:24:03,279
Speaker 17: That guy.

1583
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:05,319
Speaker 2: The guy comes back and not having laced up skates

1584
01:24:05,359 --> 01:24:07,880
in ten years and comes back playing, you know, after

1585
01:24:08,119 --> 01:24:12,159
you know, having and then by far the best player

1586
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:12,600
on the ice.

1587
01:24:13,119 --> 01:24:15,279
Speaker 1: And these first shift on the ice, he has an assist.

1588
01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:18,359
His first shift back on the ice, he has an assist. Yeah,

1589
01:24:18,399 --> 01:24:21,439
he was the first. His first shift on the ice

1590
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,760
as a rookie, he picked the puck up, went in

1591
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:28,079
and scored, he jumped off. Yeah, yeah, he was.

1592
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:34,199
Speaker 2: He Mario was an unbelievable, unbelievable talent. He was the

1593
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:36,680
whole package, like col McDavid, like others. He was just

1594
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,039
absolutely the whole thing.

1595
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: And ye, people would be I remember I used to

1596
01:24:42,039 --> 01:24:44,399
get an arguments with people. He would be like, oh, well,

1597
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,239
I mean I'd rather have Wayne Gretzky on my team.

1598
01:24:46,279 --> 01:24:48,920
I'm like, I'd rather have a healthy Mario Lemu any day.

1599
01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:53,439
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I would absolutely. I mean if

1600
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,199
I had my choice. I mean there's like there's a

1601
01:24:55,279 --> 01:24:57,399
few guys that absolutely would you know I would go

1602
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,680
to war with one of them, you know. Yeah, I

1603
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,720
mean Mario is one of those guys. I mean, I'm

1604
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,640
much more of a grinder. I'm much more of a

1605
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,920
give me, give me my team of grinders and you know,

1606
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:08,720
and halfway decent, top top two lines, and then I

1607
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:11,760
need and I need my Western Canadian guys on the

1608
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,119
back end and maybe my tough you know, stoic Swede

1609
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,560
like Nicholas Room or something like that, or Peter Forsburg. Yeah,

1610
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:24,520
I mean that guy played so that guy played so

1611
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,439
fucking hard. He would hurt, He would he would hurt himself.

1612
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,600
He was always fucking hurt because he would hurt himself.

1613
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,560
Speaker 2: Well, if he has the game costs him a fleen.

1614
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:35,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1615
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 2: I remember watching Ray Borr the year that that that

1616
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,640
Colorado won that Cup and got his teeth knocked out

1617
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:47,960
on the ice and was literally wait picking up his

1618
01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:52,319
own teeth, handing them to his teammate and then going

1619
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:56,159
and winding up because it was during an icing or

1620
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,600
wherever the hell it was where he was to the

1621
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,279
middle of his shift. He picks his teeth up off

1622
01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:01,520
the ice and it gets back.

1623
01:26:01,399 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: And lines up, doesn't miss shift.

1624
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:09,199
Speaker 2: Ship doesn't even finished the shift. And anybody who thought that,

1625
01:26:09,239 --> 01:26:10,760
you know, ray Board was soft because you couldn't win

1626
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,800
the big game, They're like, no, he's living for fucking Boston,

1627
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:18,520
and Boston sucked for twenty five years. Like one guy

1628
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,840
can't win, a can't win, a can't win anything in

1629
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,560
the NHL, not even a goaltender, not even a guy

1630
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,079
as good as Dominic Kashik took the literally took the

1631
01:26:28,119 --> 01:26:34,399
ninety nine savers too, you know. Yeah, to be honest, yeah,

1632
01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:36,479
of course that team shouldn't have been anywhere near the Cup.

1633
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,520
But I remember watching that year. They're going, no, no, no,

1634
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,159
there ain't a team tougher than them in the tournament.

1635
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,239
And I know their path through. I remember just charting

1636
01:26:47,279 --> 01:26:48,680
in on. I'm like, they can beat they can beat this,

1637
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,720
when they can beat down, Yeah, it's gonna go. And

1638
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,800
if they and their worst matchup is gonna be Dallas,

1639
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,960
but I I have a di Sact feeling that you know,

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they can beat Dallas too.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tom, Well, thanks for joining me for this,

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and thank you for that. We didn't talk about politics

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at all, because I mean I could if I don't,

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01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,359
if we don't cut this right here, we can probably

1645
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talk all night, because I mean it's just one of

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those sports that you can start. You'll remember. This is

1647
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:18,720
a crazy thing about hockey. You'll remember a game and

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you'll be like, oh yeah, and another person like, oh yeah,

1649
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,359
I remember that game, and then for the next three

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01:27:22,399 --> 01:27:24,039
hours all you do is talk about that game.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's that I yeah, no, Pete,

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01:27:28,039 --> 01:27:31,680
I have so many memories. For fifteen years, I eat,

1653
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:40,359
drank and shat the freaking NHL and and it was yeah,

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01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,720
and I had to stop at some point because it

1655
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:46,079
was like it was ruining my life. So but it's

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01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:48,239
a great game. I'll give Canada credit for it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, do do plugs. We'll get out

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of here.

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Speaker 2: Gold Goats and Guns, you guys know where it is,

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01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,199
TfL seventeen twenty eight on Twitter, Patreon's last Gold Goats Guns.

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01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:02,039
I never talked about Howty other than as a as

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a geopolitical lesson which I'll leave I'll leave down in

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the kunding room for tonight and I'll do it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, Thank you, take care, bye bye.

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Speaker 12: M Yeah