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Speaker 2: Welcome to another deep dive edition of The Chicks on
Speaker 2: the Right Podcast. Man, are we ever excited about our guests?
Speaker 3: Today?
Speaker 2: We have Megan Kelly with us, who have a course
Speaker 2: is a journalist the host of The Megan Kelly Show,
Speaker 2: which is available on Serious XEM Triumph Channel one eleven
Speaker 2: every weekday at noon Eastern and also can be found
Speaker 2: at YouTube dot com, slash Megan Kelly, or just wherever
Speaker 2: you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3: But honestly, you barely.
Speaker 2: Need introduction because I think most everybody knows who you are.
Speaker 2: They've been following your career for a long time. So
Speaker 2: we thought we would kick it off by asking if
Speaker 2: you could tell us something about you that most people
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: Hmmm. I mean, I'm an aspiring guitar player. I highly
Speaker 4: tar that John Rich actually gave me about fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: And it actually has my name and mother of pearl
Speaker 4: along the neck of it, and on the case it
Speaker 4: reads practice, which was his only message to me. And
Speaker 4: I have failed to do because fifteen years later I
Speaker 4: am just as bad as I was all those years ago.
Speaker 4: And again, Oh my goodness, Hope springs a journal. That's fantastic.
Speaker 1: So did you play any other instruments, like as a
Speaker 1: kid or anything.
Speaker 4: Oh? Yes, I was a mean clarinet player. I was
Speaker 4: first chair. I'll have you know, first chair.
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Speaker 2: It is awesome, fantastic, Probably not a little not a
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Speaker 1: So yes, So on the musical veins, since we're talking
Speaker 1: about music, we could probably talk about Taylor Swift and
Speaker 1: all the as Mock would say, ullabaloo that's surrounding her.
Speaker 1: So what do you make of all the right wing
Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff that's floating around right now about her and
Speaker 1: Travis and the syop I mean, all they gets crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are certain corners of the right that
Speaker 4: have lost their minds on the conspiracy stuff, and I'd
Speaker 4: love for them just come back in the fold, like,
Speaker 4: just please. We can't afford to lose anybody. We don't
Speaker 4: have enough numbers to begin with. There's four Democrats and
Speaker 4: there are Republicans, and half the Republicans have now become independent,
Speaker 4: So like, we can't lose the right flank to weird
Speaker 4: conspiratorial thinking about Taylor Swift. So come home, come back,
Speaker 4: come back, like they've been untethered. There's no plan between
Speaker 4: the NFL and the refs and the Chiefs and the
Speaker 4: forty nine ers and Taylor and Travis and Joe Biden
Speaker 4: to give him the election? What about?
Speaker 3: What about?
Speaker 2: People really do believe this and they're convinced that there's
Speaker 2: like I mean, there's like number theories and the people
Speaker 2: that are convinced of it are surprising me. Like the vake,
Speaker 2: like pick this up, and some of the more popular
Speaker 2: conservative influencers that are just determined to make this a
Speaker 2: thing is just blowing my mind.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's some cynicism there. I think
Speaker 4: some people who are pushing it just want clicks. I mean,
Speaker 4: on Twitter now on x you get money for the
Speaker 4: more engagement you get. So it's fine to say outrageous
Speaker 4: things because the whole name of the game is getting
Speaker 4: clicks and getting likes and getting it retweeted. So that's
Speaker 4: I mean, there are some cynical people doing that. The
Speaker 4: veg I wasn't that surprised he's conspiratorial. I like the bank,
Speaker 4: but he's definitely gone conspiratorial since he threw his hat
Speaker 4: in the national politics. So like, if you're going to
Speaker 4: suggest nine to eleven was an inside job, this is
Speaker 4: right up your alley. Yeah, you know. It's like if
Speaker 4: you believe in pizzagate, which is a very big thing
Speaker 4: in the Q community, you easily buy this. I get it.
Speaker 4: I'm not with you at all, but I understand it's
Speaker 4: all the same cast of characters. I will say, Look,
Speaker 4: like any of these great conspiracy theories, there are some
Speaker 4: nuggets that make sense. Like we were watching the game
Speaker 4: last week when the Chiefs won, and my husband, who's
Speaker 4: as far away from a conspiracy theorist as you can get,
Speaker 4: was like, these reps are totally putting a thumb on
Speaker 4: the scale for Kansas City. They want the NFL wants
Speaker 4: Kansas City to go to the super Bowl because money,
Speaker 4: because of totally Yeah, because Taylor like going and you
Speaker 4: saw the numbers like she boosted the final viewership.
Speaker 1: Or under thirty million. Yeah, yeah, that makes.
Speaker 4: Perfect sense to me that like the NFL would really
Speaker 4: be wishing for this to happen. But yeah, the connection
Speaker 4: to the yeah, just stop. She's going to endorse Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: She's going to vote Democrat. She's going to tell all
Speaker 4: of her little followers to get registered and to vote Democrat.
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll get registered like thirty five thousand did after
Speaker 4: that concert where she said it, and then they're probably
Speaker 4: not going to vote. I've been doing this long enough
Speaker 4: to know how this goes. They don't vote. Young people
Speaker 4: don't vote.
Speaker 1: I love that optimism. Yeah, because I mean that that
Speaker 1: poll that came up, what was it, like Redfield and
Speaker 1: Wilton strategies or something. I don't even know, but I
Speaker 1: look at that and I think, Okay, eighteen percent of
Speaker 1: eligible voters are gonna vote or at least be skewed
Speaker 1: by who she votes. I don't. I don't really buy
Speaker 1: that either, because I have young people in my life
Speaker 1: who are of that age that can vote and that
Speaker 1: like her, but don't give a crap who she votes for.
Speaker 1: So I'm not buying it either.
Speaker 4: Megan, and you guys have been around long enough to
Speaker 4: see all these election cycles. Every celebrity is a Democrat,
Speaker 4: like right, who the f have you know? Like the
Speaker 4: John d Rock like okay that like those guys, but
Speaker 4: like the Republicans have always been up against this. Right,
Speaker 4: they don't win elections based on celebrity endorsements or they
Speaker 4: would never have one ever. So I just I'm not
Speaker 4: worried about this, And who cares. Like Taylor Swift, She's fine.
Speaker 4: It's it's a little much for me too, like seeing
Speaker 4: her the in the in the booth every game, It's
Speaker 4: like enough enough. But yes, you know, we have go
Speaker 4: through cycles with these celebrities. She'll come back down that
Speaker 4: she'll go back like people need to really.
Speaker 2: You think, Okay, I don't know, man, She's been I mean,
Speaker 2: she is, her star is way up there right now,
Speaker 2: and of course I just look at them like it's
Speaker 2: a fun love story. And you know, the people that
Speaker 2: actually think this is a made up, fake relationship, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, what, isn't it just possible that the simplest
Speaker 2: explanation is the truth that they just genuinely are in
Speaker 2: love and it's a new, happy couple And maybe she'll
Speaker 2: write a breakup song about him at some point, but
Speaker 2: right now everything seems okay.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I have no idea what the basis
Speaker 4: of that relationship is, but I do know for sure
Speaker 4: Hollywood couples get together for PR. I mean I know
Speaker 4: that just from having been connected to that industry for
Speaker 4: a long time. They some of them do get together
Speaker 4: just to get on magazines and get good PR. I
Speaker 4: don't have any reason to believe that's what's happening here.
Speaker 4: But look, if I had to put money on it,
Speaker 4: I would say he's in more danger than she is
Speaker 4: of getting dumped, and she's going to write a song
Speaker 4: about it, and it's probably not going to wind up
Speaker 4: happily ever after. For those trees not a good track record.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. Yeah, she's such an so hopeful.
Speaker 1: You are the god. She loves Valentine's Day so much, Magan,
Speaker 1: you're the one. She's the one one.
Speaker 4: Yes, Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: She's the one. I go on, I love it, I
Speaker 1: love it Valentine's Day. I wear all black. Yes, she's
Speaker 1: the one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't do in my marriage, we don't do
Speaker 4: Valentine's Day. Like, there's nothing. I'm not explaining that, nor
Speaker 4: do I want you know that we may have some
Speaker 4: Valentine's Day action, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, yes, it's an excuse.
Speaker 3: You're still recognizing it.
Speaker 2: Then you're still recognizing it as Valentine's Day actions, celebrations,
Speaker 2: and that's a way to celebrate. I think, yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: well enough Taylor, because I know for a lot of
Speaker 2: people are just sick to death of yes about her.
Speaker 3: So we'll move on.
Speaker 2: And not that anybody is more interested in talking about
Speaker 2: eg and Carroll, but she's obviously another huge story that's
Speaker 2: taking hold of everybody right now.
Speaker 3: Because of this ginormous.
Speaker 2: Judgment that Trump has had to pay her eighty three
Speaker 2: point three plus million dollars as a result of the
Speaker 2: defamation case. So in your legal opinion, because we've heard
Speaker 2: lots of varying opinions about this. Does he have a
Speaker 2: prayer for on appeal or is he Is he really
Speaker 2: going to be on the hook for that money.
Speaker 4: He has a small prayer, but it's not a great one. Really,
Speaker 4: I'm not feeling great about it, you know. I think
Speaker 4: his best line of argument is that he should have
Speaker 4: been allowed to take the stand and deny the charges,
Speaker 4: like speak robustly to the principal underlying charges and why
Speaker 4: he said the thing that they now are supposed to
Speaker 4: be punishing him for denying in a way that they
Speaker 4: said was defamatory. This judgement did not allow him to
Speaker 4: get back into whether or not he sexually assaulted her.
Speaker 4: He's like, well, we already decided that at the other trial,
Speaker 4: and now you're stuck with it. But any McCarthy, who
Speaker 4: I love if he writes for National Review, a brilliant lawyer.
Speaker 4: He made a great point. I totally agree with it.
Speaker 4: When you take away the ability of the jury to
Speaker 4: have the fulfillment of saying you did the bad thing,
Speaker 4: we're finding you liable for doing the terrible thing, and
Speaker 4: just say to them, give us a dollar amount you're
Speaker 4: going to get inflated judgments because they didn't express any
Speaker 4: of their anger, any of the resentment they've built up
Speaker 4: against this defendant during the trial with a verdict on liability,
Speaker 4: it's kind of all been held for the dollar amount phased.
Speaker 4: This wasn't even the same jury as before. So it's
Speaker 4: like you handicapped him right from the get go in
Speaker 4: getting a reasonable punitive damages award. I will say this ROBERTA. Kaplin,
Speaker 4: who I really can't stand. But she's a good lawyer,
Speaker 4: she says, and I believe her as an officer of
Speaker 4: the court there representation that it's generally an assessing punitive
Speaker 4: damages in this court. It's is it like more than
Speaker 4: six to one? And this is not sick more six
Speaker 4: to one? It's right on the cost of being too
Speaker 4: high to be upheld. But you know how it is
Speaker 4: like the appellate courts aren't going to be any more
Speaker 4: sympathetic to Trump than these lower courts were. So he's
Speaker 4: got a chance, but it's not a good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So was that out of the norm in terms of
Speaker 2: process then, because that's what I was confused about, because
Speaker 2: I kept hearing well he was he was denied this
Speaker 2: opportunity to get on the stand and talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: the fact that he believes genuinely that she's a liar
Speaker 2: and so, and he wanted to argue that. But then
Speaker 2: I heard too that, well that's already been decided and
Speaker 2: this is only about the dollar amount. So is that
Speaker 2: not normal? Is that not how a trial like this
Speaker 2: is supposed to go? And that's why bonus intention.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think this judge took a risk in shutting
Speaker 4: down the discussion entirely. I think a defendant has a
Speaker 4: right to get up there and say because look at
Speaker 4: punitive damages are meant to stop him from ever seeing
Speaker 4: the things again. Like the lawyer argued in her closing, ROBERTA. Kaplin,
Speaker 4: you've got to make him feel it. He's a rich man,
Speaker 4: so it's got to be a huge dollar amount, so
Speaker 4: he will never say these things about her again. You know,
Speaker 4: she's a cook, she made it up, she's a lunatic. Whatever.
Speaker 4: So why can't I mean, if you're a judge, she
Speaker 4: just doesn't want to get reversed. Why wouldn't you bend
Speaker 4: over backwards to be fair to the defendant? What harm
Speaker 4: is caused by him looking at the jury and saying,
Speaker 4: I'll say it to you right here. There's the reason
Speaker 4: I said those things that that other jury said were
Speaker 4: defamatory or said amounted to sexual abuse, and word defamatory
Speaker 4: is because I genuinely have never seen this person again.
Speaker 4: She must be a kook to be suing me for
Speaker 4: this stuff. I recognize another jury by fifty one percent
Speaker 4: to forty nine percent that was the legal standard, and
Speaker 4: that earlier civil case didn't believe me. But I'm telling
Speaker 4: you that is the reason I said what I said.
Speaker 4: I think it could have softened them. And they tied
Speaker 4: his hands behind his back to say, you basically can't
Speaker 4: fight this case. They took away all of his weapons.
Speaker 4: So I do think he had an uphill battle to
Speaker 4: start with, and he didn't make it any better for
Speaker 4: himself and not testifying in the underlying trial on his
Speaker 4: liability and then he had double justices like against him,
Speaker 4: and that's how we wound up here.
Speaker 1: But she's not making it any better on herself either.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at her, my goodness, like going
Speaker 1: on Rachel mad We're going to go shopping ladies and
Speaker 1: all that. I mean, just the stuff that she said,
Speaker 1: like to Anderson Cooper and.
Speaker 4: How she's cat tit Tits.
Speaker 1: Oh my Godaina, there's another one.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a dog, might be a cat. Maybe the
Speaker 4: cat is it here, Vagina? That didn't makes sense.
Speaker 3: That is abuse.
Speaker 1: That is like cat abuse.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very very hyper focused.
Speaker 1: I was completely unaware that she had a cat named Tits.
Speaker 1: I was until I was today years old when I
Speaker 1: learned that from Megan Kelly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a dog, I can't remember, but one of the two,
Speaker 4: for sure. She bragged about it. We played a clip
Speaker 4: she bragged about it. Wow, she's a very strange person.
Speaker 4: And you know, you look at her celebratory like, haha,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna buy you France Rachel made Survivor.
Speaker 1: Right. And this is the thing, I mean, it's we
Speaker 1: I'm sure we all know people who have been raped
Speaker 1: and and that. So I look at her and I
Speaker 1: look at what was awarded to her and how she's acting,
Speaker 1: and and it just and it makes it's disgusting. It
Speaker 1: makes me sick, just the way else when.
Speaker 4: They argue for the punitive damages, that's the big that's
Speaker 4: the big piece of this award. They said she needs
Speaker 4: the money because she's got to go out there in
Speaker 4: conservative media and rebuild her reputation that Trump destroyed by
Speaker 4: all the how many how many conservative shows did she call? You? Girls?
Speaker 4: Saw her on? Exactly? It was a lie. It was
Speaker 4: a lie. He lied to that jury through her lawyer.
Speaker 4: The jury bought it, hook line and sinker, or just
Speaker 4: wanted to punish Trump more than likely totally and the
Speaker 4: media won't hold her to account.
Speaker 3: What do you make of his uh?
Speaker 4: His?
Speaker 2: I guess his lead council in that case, Elena Hobba,
Speaker 2: because she gets a lot of she gets mixed reviews,
Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering how you view her legal prowess.
Speaker 2: I mean, is she serving him well or is there
Speaker 2: more that she could just start?
Speaker 4: I do, I haven't been following it that closely, but
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I haven't been impressed. Have not No, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the truth. And then quick about her, where they
Speaker 4: were asked would you rather be pretty or smart? She
Speaker 4: said pretty? Like? All right, Well you should.
Speaker 1: Mean she's not you are not winning if you wouldn't
Speaker 1: answer that, yeah, And she's her record, I mean, she's
Speaker 1: not winning very much winning.
Speaker 4: She's probably gonna get dumped soon because Trump dumps the
Speaker 4: ones who don't win. For him. Yeah, like that one
Speaker 4: precinct commander in Iowa, the one county that he lost.
Speaker 4: He won ninety eight out of the ninety nine counties,
Speaker 4: and he fired the one who he lost by one vote.
Speaker 4: And that person got fired and no longer needed. And
Speaker 4: you know, we have a general election to go, but
Speaker 4: that person. Look, I don't blame him. I would fire
Speaker 4: somebody who lost for me twice too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I haven't been impressed by her, but in fairness, I
Speaker 4: haven't been watching her that closely.
Speaker 1: I mean, eighty three million dollars. I'd probably fire the
Speaker 1: person too.
Speaker 2: There's no way in the world that you remember this,
Speaker 2: which is completely fine, But way back in the day
Speaker 2: probably I want to say, at least ten years ago,
Speaker 2: when we were doing radio, we had you on our
Speaker 2: show and we were brand spanking new to radio, and
Speaker 2: it was right after I think it was right after
Speaker 2: you'd written a book, and so we had you on
Speaker 2: to talk about your book.
Speaker 3: And there was.
Speaker 2: Some controversy happening at the time with Matt Walsh, and
Speaker 2: I know you had a beef with him recently on
Speaker 2: Twitter about then.
Speaker 4: There was a controversy.
Speaker 2: Yes, there was controversy because he's always been the same
Speaker 2: guy when it comes to women have their place and
Speaker 2: that needs to be at home, and they shouldn't have
Speaker 2: careers and all that stuff. So and it was about that,
Speaker 2: and we talked to you about that, and you said
Speaker 2: something that has never left my brain, and I loved
Speaker 2: how you said it, and I refer back to it
Speaker 2: all the time because I struggled with his arguments.
Speaker 3: He's very personal.
Speaker 2: He's an excellent writer, as I'm sure you know, and
Speaker 2: his criticisms were like getting to me. And I remember
Speaker 2: that I asked you about it in that show and
Speaker 2: you said, I just know that having a career and family,
Speaker 2: having that career makes me the best version of myself
Speaker 2: for my family. And I was like, that is the
Speaker 2: perfect way to describe how we think. I think, how
Speaker 2: we feel about our own careers. It just really resonated
Speaker 2: with me. And so when I saw you guys kind
Speaker 2: of beefing about a month ago or three weeks ago
Speaker 2: or whatever about the similar issue, we had to.
Speaker 3: Bring it up.
Speaker 2: We had to bring it up with you again and
Speaker 2: see how that all got resolved and all that.
Speaker 4: You know, Matt. I love Matt. I love what he's
Speaker 4: doing on the gender ideology and pushing back. And I
Speaker 4: loved what is a Woman? But I couldn't disagree with
Speaker 4: him more on virtually everything he says about actual women.
Speaker 4: I'm with him on the trans women. I don't think
Speaker 4: he understands us at all when it comes to actual women.
Speaker 4: And again, having said that I like the guy, I'm
Speaker 4: getting a little tired of his NonStop judgment of women
Speaker 4: who make different choices than the ones he wants us
Speaker 4: to make. Sorry, Matt, you're not our Jesus. We don't
Speaker 4: answer to you. You like fucking live Sorry, live your
Speaker 4: life the way you want to live it, and stop
Speaker 4: judging everybody who makes a different choice. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 4: Like I and I know you gals, you don't generally women.
Speaker 4: We're not judging moms who choose to stay at home
Speaker 4: and raise their kids. That's a choice we celebrate, we love.
Speaker 4: Those are our sisters and our friends and our moms.
Speaker 4: Women aren't doing this to other women. For the most part.
Speaker 4: It's guys like Matt, Like, shut up. I'm not out
Speaker 4: there saying your wife is boring and a loser because
Speaker 4: she decided not to get a job.
Speaker 1: I don't think that.
Speaker 4: I think it's awesome. She's the mother of six children.
Speaker 4: She must be incredibly busy. But why are you looking
Speaker 4: at every woman who works and trying to pass judgment
Speaker 4: and make her feel guilty about our choices all the time?
Speaker 4: He fail, We don't feel guilty because of you. But
Speaker 4: I'm just getting tired of his random posts about how
Speaker 4: the one woman who said, oh, I'm confessing that I
Speaker 4: really liked it when the guy I dated wanted to
Speaker 4: pay for the meal and he's like, no, you can't
Speaker 4: have that unless you play the traditionally feminine role. Who
Speaker 4: died and maybe you boss of all women? What are
Speaker 4: you saying? I don't know why he feels the need
Speaker 4: to try to set fake guardrails around our behavior. It's
Speaker 4: a no, Matt, we don't need you.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Although we have seen though, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of these conservative pundits, younger ones, the younger women
Speaker 1: who are kind of taking that discourse and running with
Speaker 1: it and saying, hey, say no to the high powered careers.
Speaker 1: Ladies like say no to that and do something else.
Speaker 1: Be at home, stay at home, Like that's that's more
Speaker 1: admirable than having these high powered careers. We're seeing a
Speaker 1: lot more of that from the younger women and that,
Speaker 1: and we did a podcast on that, like a deep
Speaker 1: dive a couple of weeks ago. I think it was
Speaker 1: Mary about the tradwives, about like trad wives, and that
Speaker 1: just kind of the whole phenomenon, Like it's a trend
Speaker 1: really with the more of the younger conservative pundits talking
Speaker 1: about this, and we were like, Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: little bit weird. We got a lot of backlash for
Speaker 1: talking about it in a way where we're like, listen,
Speaker 1: staying at home is great, but we love working and
Speaker 1: we don't want to be demonized for working, Like what
Speaker 1: is that all about? Why is that happening? And we
Speaker 1: are seeing sort of a trend there, like what do
Speaker 1: you think about that trend? With some of the concert.
Speaker 4: It's an over correction, I think, in the same way
Speaker 4: we've gone from the nonsensical believe all women, the Republican
Speaker 4: Party in part has gone to believe no women. It's
Speaker 4: the same thing where we were like the society was
Speaker 4: all like, you go be empowered, stayed home moms are losers,
Speaker 4: and now we've over corrected to working moms are terrible. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: and we've overcorrect Why can't there be nuanced conversations. It's
Speaker 4: obsess you know, I've said this publicly, but when I
Speaker 4: was working at Fox News in the primetime and I
Speaker 4: was making many many dollars in that position, and I
Speaker 4: had a lot of power in the end of street,
Speaker 4: and I was thinking about leaving, I didn't, you know.
Speaker 4: I wound up going to NBC, which, as everybody knows,
Speaker 4: was a disaster. But the point was to get out
Speaker 4: of that position. That was the point, Like find an
Speaker 4: off ramp that'll let me do my job but still
Speaker 4: mother my own children. That was my biggest motivating factor.
Speaker 4: So I will confess working at that level was not
Speaker 4: good for me. That did not work. I was not
Speaker 4: raising my own kids, and I was missing too much
Speaker 4: of it. And just quickly I said to my therapist
Speaker 4: at the time, you know, I'm I'm so unhappy, and
Speaker 4: he said, you know, all the studies show that the
Speaker 4: children of working moms turn out just fine. And he said,
Speaker 4: he's a Democrat, but he goes, look at Chelsea Clinton.
Speaker 4: He goes, you know, both of her parents were never around.
Speaker 4: I can't stand Chelsea Clinton. So it's a bad example.
Speaker 4: I really can't stand to her. But I remember what
Speaker 4: I said to him in response was I'm not worried
Speaker 4: they're not going to turn out. Well, I'm worried I'm
Speaker 4: missing all of that. I don't want to miss it all.
Speaker 4: I won't be happy with that. Yeah, So that's why
Speaker 4: I left and down shifted right to a show where
Speaker 4: I'd have far less power, a little less money, and
Speaker 4: you know, wouldn't be as well respected, not seeing what
Speaker 4: would happen thereafter. But in an event, so I do
Speaker 4: want to say I see what they're tapping into. You know,
Speaker 4: like if you sacrifice the joys of motherhood and raising
Speaker 4: a family entirely in favor of the vaunted career, you
Speaker 4: may have some regrets. And I've said this to women before,
Speaker 4: like if you got that little voice in the back
Speaker 4: of your head telling you, like it was telling me,
Speaker 4: you're missing too much of it, Listen, listen. It's like
Speaker 4: that's you, that's you, you know, speaking saying my God.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't have to do what the feminists
Speaker 4: of all told you you must do in order to matter.
Speaker 4: You know, you can listen to the voice inside of
Speaker 4: you and say I want a different choice. But I
Speaker 4: also think that like these women who are pushing back
Speaker 4: against it, are over correcting to you don't have to
Speaker 4: shame the women who have made a different choice. Who
Speaker 4: would be full time stay at home moms? Yeah, for
Speaker 4: doing the thing that lights them on fire? Yeah right
Speaker 4: like yeah, because the version of them, as I said,
Speaker 4: who would come home to those children if they only
Speaker 4: worked an hour day, or who would be home with
Speaker 4: them if they worked no hours of the day might
Speaker 4: be a terrible person, might be full of anxiety or
Speaker 4: an OCD complex that they didn't get to work out, whatever.
Speaker 4: And so we shouldn't be judging each other. Everyone's going
Speaker 4: to make the choice that's right for them. And one
Speaker 4: other thing I will say this, I said to my
Speaker 4: daughter's school. She's ad a very competitive, great all girls school.
Speaker 4: I said, here's something you can do for the girls
Speaker 4: on career night. Bring in a stay at home mom,
Speaker 4: Like make sure the girls don't just hear from women
Speaker 4: who graduated from Harvard who went on to write for
Speaker 4: Vanity Fair. Bring in women who went to C list
Speaker 4: colleges who landed up in great careers that are really
Speaker 4: happy with So these girls don't think they have to
Speaker 4: kill themselves in high school right ruin their whole teenage
Speaker 4: years and are to get into some university that she's
Speaker 4: going to make them hate parents in their country. And
Speaker 4: you're going to stay at home mom, who says, hey,
Speaker 4: here's another lane. You know, it's a different choice I made,
Speaker 4: and it's awesome.
Speaker 3: This is why I love it.
Speaker 4: Or even I said this to her, even I stay
Speaker 4: at home wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kids, can you imagine?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yes, do it right? It's like anyway, I hate the judge.
Speaker 4: There's too much judginus around this issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, Like it's coming from young women
Speaker 2: without kids.
Speaker 3: So it's these light I know exactly who you're talking.
Speaker 2: About, Daisy, because there's these there's these young influencers who
Speaker 2: just have decided they're going to start interviewing people about
Speaker 2: this topic, and they themselves have no kids, and they're
Speaker 2: they're pushing these judgments, like you said, on working moms,
Speaker 2: and it's so it's infuriating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't know what they're talking about it. I mean,
Speaker 4: I can only speak for myself on the actual personal experience,
Speaker 4: but I will tell you I come home from work
Speaker 4: any day. I mean the entire time I've been married
Speaker 4: to Doug and we're going on sixteen years in a
Speaker 4: week or two, and it's exciting we sit down at
Speaker 4: the dinner table or we have a drink together. I've
Speaker 4: got so much to tell him. So much happens in
Speaker 4: my day, like the funny interviews that I do. You know,
Speaker 4: we'll talk about this tonight, or some crazy guests that happened,
Speaker 4: or some weird ass story in the news, or it's
Speaker 4: just some interaction that I have with somebody because I
Speaker 4: put myself out there in a world, in the world
Speaker 4: in a way in which I wouldn't if I didn't
Speaker 4: have a job, and in my relationship that turns my
Speaker 4: husband on. He loves it. It's sexy. He likes somebody
Speaker 4: who is that intellectually engaged all day. My husband needs
Speaker 4: that in a woman. Yeah, and I frankly need that
Speaker 4: in a man. That's not true for everybody, right, Like
Speaker 4: other men just want somebody's going to take care of
Speaker 4: them and that turns them up. I get it. But
Speaker 4: Matt Walsh writes about men like they're all a Matt Walsh, right.
Speaker 4: It's offensive to those of us who know there is
Speaker 4: a different reality for millions of people out there.
Speaker 1: So true, yeah, exactly right. I've said is exactly right, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: So to wrap things up because we want to make
Speaker 2: sure that we're keeping you on your schedule.
Speaker 3: What what do you think is going to happen with
Speaker 3: the selection?
Speaker 2: I know that's still a long ways away, but do
Speaker 2: you think Trump actually has a shot? Because I'm very
Speaker 2: pessimistic when it comes to I was a desantist girl,
Speaker 2: so I mean, he was my guy. I knew he
Speaker 2: was going to get out. I mean, everything was looking
Speaker 2: so bad for him towards the end. But I also
Speaker 2: look at him still and think, what a missed opportunity
Speaker 2: for a solid, normal leader that we've just lost.
Speaker 1: And I feel like and I feel like they're going
Speaker 1: to put somebody else in at the last minute. On
Speaker 1: the other side, I feel like it's going to be
Speaker 1: either Gavin or Michelle Obama and it's not going to
Speaker 1: be Biden, and I feel like that's going to make
Speaker 1: us lose. That's my opigon.
Speaker 4: If it's Michelle Obama the Democratic.
Speaker 1: Do you think that will happen? Do you think that
Speaker 1: that's an or do you think that's another conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: that I've just done?
Speaker 4: Like the conspiracy theory, I mean, there has been reporting
Speaker 4: that that the Obamas are out there polling top Democrats
Speaker 4: on what their appetite is for it, So you know,
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a CONSPUC theory.
Speaker 1: But no, it's going to be.
Speaker 4: Very hard to make Grandpa leave the pudden, you know,
Speaker 4: and he's enjoying it.
Speaker 3: What do you do with her?
Speaker 4: She's going to get sidelined. Nobody's rooting for her. She's
Speaker 4: got how do you get sorry, Honestly, there's a position
Speaker 4: open at Harvard. They could probably over there.
Speaker 1: That's what they're going to do. Honestly, that's what they
Speaker 1: have to do.
Speaker 4: They're all saying it has to be a black woman. Oh,
Speaker 4: I've got just the one right exactly, if I had
Speaker 4: to put money on it now, and I have to say, like,
Speaker 4: it's very tight, And all the polsters I respect are
Speaker 4: saying it's very tight right now, and you know it's
Speaker 4: very tight. Trump's eating another state.
Speaker 3: I mean, like losing out.
Speaker 4: That's why the Democrats who think, like, oh, please God
Speaker 4: give me Donald Trump. I don't think they're paying attention.
Speaker 4: Trump's winning in all of the seven swing states right now,
Speaker 4: all seven of them. He's got some problems, for sure.
Speaker 4: You know that the independence really will drive the election.
Speaker 4: The Republicans will come home for Trump. I have no
Speaker 4: doubt he's got to win ninety percent of them. They're
Speaker 4: mad now. They liked him far less in sixteen and
Speaker 4: they came home now they're label Trump presidency behind them,
Speaker 4: and even though he wasn't their candidate of choice, they're
Speaker 4: going to vote for Donald Trump. It's the independence he's
Speaker 4: got to get.
Speaker 1: Rfkd to that equation that I was just going to say,
Speaker 1: rfk's a wild card.
Speaker 4: I think RFK pulls more from Biden. That's my belief
Speaker 4: that big Yeah. I do, because I think there are
Speaker 4: many Democrats who are very pissed off about what happened
Speaker 4: during COVID who can't vote for Donald Trump. And by
Speaker 4: the way, he's partially to blame for COVID, but they
Speaker 4: would like to penalize Joe Biden. I know a lot
Speaker 4: of these people, and I just think we're interesting. If
Speaker 4: we get closer to November and RFK is still pulling
Speaker 4: the numbers he is, and the internals at Team Trump
Speaker 4: show he's pulling from Trump, they're going to go gihot
Speaker 4: on him with his actual liberal positions. RFKJ is a Democrat.
Speaker 4: I like him. I've interviewed him many times, but he
Speaker 4: is a Democrat. I mean, look at his positions on abortion,
Speaker 4: on the environment, on the LGBTQ stuff, especially the t stuff.
Speaker 4: They could sink him with Republicans if they just unleashed
Speaker 4: their fury, and the fact that they haven't suggested to
Speaker 4: me they see what I see, which is he's probably
Speaker 4: gonna hurt Biden more than he hurts Trump, or where
Speaker 4: he hurts Trump won't matter anyway. If I had about
Speaker 4: money down, I'd put it on Trump right now. But
Speaker 4: that Democrat vote machine and the mail in ballots and
Speaker 4: all that, that scares me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I love the optimism because we
Speaker 1: got to turn this country around.
Speaker 4: Good lord, four more years of this, I mean truly.
Speaker 4: Just the open borders, yep.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm in Texas. It's crazy for our kids.
Speaker 4: Our kids are going to have to grow up with
Speaker 4: these millions of foreigners here. We have no idea what
Speaker 4: their motivations are and taking our social services and our schools,
Speaker 4: and they don't love America for the most part. And
Speaker 4: they are drug dealers and fentanyl and all the rest
Speaker 4: of it. And we're just like, oh, you saw the
Speaker 4: new York Times running cover for Joe Biden today that
Speaker 4: he wanted a more humane the world, more humane to whom,
Speaker 4: not to not to your kids in mind, right, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So it really it is a make or break moment
Speaker 4: for the country.
Speaker 1: It is. It is. And if you look at video
Speaker 1: of him from you know, twenty thirty years ago, he
Speaker 1: said the complete opposite. I mean, he was he was
Speaker 1: harder when it came to I say he was harder,
Speaker 1: but he was definitely more strict when it came to
Speaker 1: the border. So he's definitely he has no idea what
Speaker 1: he's saying at this point. He's not even pulling the
Speaker 1: strings this point. It's terrifying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's the one thing I'll say, Like, I know,
Speaker 4: Trump's got four criminal trials. I actually no longer convinced
Speaker 4: that any of them is going to go off before
Speaker 4: election date. They're all getting postponed. That's very good for Trump,
Speaker 4: very good because if he becomes president again, he can
Speaker 4: pull Jack Smith off of the two federal prosecutions and
Speaker 4: those go away. The one in Georgie's Imploding Things to
Speaker 4: Fanny Willison are alleged all of our ethical behavior and
Speaker 4: the New York one is a nothing burger. Anyway, He's
Speaker 4: not facing jail time there. So it could be that
Speaker 4: Trump pulls the inside straight and gets rid of all
Speaker 4: these But so it could be that Trump has a
Speaker 4: bad year of press. But I think it's looking better
Speaker 4: for him. But the thing over on the demp side is,
Speaker 4: to your point, Biden could fall, I mean one fall
Speaker 4: and the Democrats chances.
Speaker 1: Yeah that, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: I hope it's Biden, though I want it to be
Speaker 2: Biden because I worry that if it's anybody else that
Speaker 2: our chances tank.
Speaker 1: If it's a gap at Michelle Obama, then we're screwed.
Speaker 3: And wishing him all.
Speaker 4: The best of Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: About gross, right, he's just so Megan.
Speaker 3: Actually, I talked to it.
Speaker 1: I did a speech at some thing at Baylor here
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, and there is a conservative
Speaker 1: young lady who is I'm imprecious, and she goes that
Speaker 1: Gavin is just so hot. Oh my god, I mean
Speaker 1: I almost vomited. It was just I think Trump's hot. No, No,
Speaker 1: Trump is like daddy to those. I think he's daddy
Speaker 1: to a lot of the college.
Speaker 4: Wait, do you know that that's a thing so my
Speaker 4: friend was a diehard Trumper, I mean, like true, true Trumper.
Speaker 4: And she said she was like going to the rallies
Speaker 4: and all that, and she said they call him dad Daddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, d oh my god, I love it. Weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's weird.
Speaker 3: That's a little that's a little weird.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, get anywhere, Yes, I know.
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