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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. If you listened to

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last week's show, you heard our guest Daisy come on

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and talk about the multitude of dogman encounters that she's

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had on her farm in the UK. Well, she's had

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so many experiences that I didn't have time to ask

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any questions in that show, so luckily she's agreed to

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come back to do that Q and A. Now, so

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what we're going to do? Having said that, Daisy, thanks

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so much for coming back.

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Speaker 2: Hi, you're welcome. Vic. It's been very interesting, and thank

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you everybody for the comments. They were very, very interesting

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and very kind. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It gives me that you were so surprised by how

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positive the comments were the feedback for your first show,

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But didn't surprise me at all because, like I told you,

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you knocked it out of the park. You did an

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amazing job.

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Speaker 2: That's lovely, Thank you, thank you. Well, it's just my

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life is how I've lived it, and it's the things

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that I've happened here, and it's good to share it

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with other people that are either interested in it or

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have had their own encounters, because everybody reacts as individuals

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to it. And I mean, I'm lucky with mine counter

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but some people have been absolutely terrified.

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Speaker 1: Some have been terrified, and for good reason. But yeah,

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you did live it. You lived all these experiences. But

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the way you related those experiences it was masterful. How

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you did it. That's why the people were so taken

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by you. You did an amazing job. But having said that, Daisy,

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for anyone who missed that show, please give us a

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quick flyover of your experiences and the situation you found

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yourself in.

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Speaker 2: Right. Okay, So I live on a very ancient farm,

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just me and my dad and obviously the cattle and

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animals and the dogs who the dogs are our children.

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Basically I was born here. I was born in the

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cittamum in front of the fire, and just had an

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absolutely wonderful, very very old fashioned childhood here playing out

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on the farm, even to the point we used to

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go out and ride the sheep. At that point we

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weren't allowed to have ponies, so we had sheep and

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pet sheep and calves and just incredible fun. Incredible fun

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growing up around animals and playing hiding and seek and

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climbing trees, throwing damsons at each other and fishing and

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all things that kids, I believe now should still be doing.

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Sadly they don't get the chance now. But yes, we were,

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we would. We would be outside until it was dark,

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and you know, mum, Mum roughly knew where we were

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and we were up in the woods or in the fields,

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and she had no no worries at all, absolutely no

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what was at that time, But in that way, yes,

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she's wonderfully. I have have two dogs with me. At

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one point we had six dogs here. I have a horse,

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and we've still got cattle on the farm. The sheep

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have now gone and a lot of it is arable. Sadly,

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a lot of the dairy farms are closing down, and

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I think that ours won't be long behind. But we

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will still keep beef cattle here. Yes, yes, I first

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saw my first dog man encounter was roughly twenty years ago.

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He was very small then, about my height or just

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a bit taller than me, and I at the time

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thought he was young. But now, after having experiences, I

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believe that he's been here all the time, and maybe

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he can change shape as or change his size rather

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as he as he shows myself to me. Maybe that's

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the way to describe it. But then I saw him

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last year May twenty seven, and now he's absolutely massive, huge.

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I saw him come out from a woodland on the

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right hand side of me. He crossed a track in

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front of me, and just for a few seconds, I

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was absolutely terrified because he's just huge. He must stand

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six foot at the shoulder. Now he was on all fours.

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He didn't at that point stand up. He looked me

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in the eyes and he did mine speak to me.

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He told me not to fear him. He told me

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his name, which is between me and him. It's very private,

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and he said some other stuff to me, which again

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I keep driving out of my respect for him. And

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then later on he came back in the woods behind me,

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and I say, would not. They were more like cracks

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on trees, really loud, one of which was only six

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foot away from me, and I didn't even see him.

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I've had him walk up to me at night times

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when I'm out doing my horse, and that was very

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scary because I don't actually I can't still work out

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to this, Dave. It's more scary seeing something like that

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or not seeing it and knowing that it is walking

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straight up to you, straight up to your face. He did,

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and I was so scared. I stepped back so fast

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I nearly fell over. And I could literally feel his energy.

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I could feel him right in front of me. I

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was literally waiting for him to huff or snort or

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something in my face, and absolutely nothing. I saw nothing.

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So I do believe. I have come to believe, after

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lots of different experiences with him, when he could have

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so easily hurt me, or my dogs, or my animals,

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or my horse who has been involved in this, that

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he he's not going to hurt me. He's a form

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of guardian for this ancient place that I love as

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much as he does. And I feel that he knows that,

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he must know that I was born here. He's seeing

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me growing up playing and in the rivers and the streams,

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and growing up with puppies and then losing them as

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old dogs. He's see me go through all that, and

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he's become, I believe, a form of a guardian, a

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woodland guardian, and for me, whenever I'm up the woods.

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Now I always I'll talk to him out loud, and

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I will talk to him by his name, and I

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will thank him. I will thank him for keeping me

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and my dogs safe again. He could have so easily

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hurt me. He's massive. If he stood up right now,

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he would be ten foot at least ten foot, if

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not higher. And as I said in the last interview,

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I believe he didn't stand up in the second account

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because he knew that I couldn't have coped with that.

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It doesn't matter. If something that size says, do not

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fear me, You're going to fear it. If it stands

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up and is that tool you My heart wouldn't have

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coped with it. I think I would have just passed out.

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But he hasn't hurt me, It hasn't hurt any of

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my animals. In fact, I believe that he's come to

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look after me from something else. I don't know if

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that's another dog man. I suspect it is. I have

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had two encounters with a black one, now not you know,

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not one hundred percent clear encounters. I've seen her. She walked.

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I say her, because she did have what looked like rest,

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not like humans. But she did look like she had

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ress and she's very tall and slim. Jet black, absolutely

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jet black. She literally walked past our Cittamon window one

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evening when me and my dad were sitting in doors

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watching Telly. And yes, and I believe I'm starting to

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believe that, I don't know, maybe is she a little

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bit jealous because of the respect that me and the

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other one have for each other. Is that I don't

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know if that's the right way of describing it, but

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I believe that he looks after me from either her

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or something else. I don't know. I don't know, but

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it's one of those Time will tells and I will

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learn as this goes on. My mum now she had

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two encounters, one of which I spoken of in the

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last interview, and so Mum had two. I've had two

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with him and two with the female. Maybe that's it.

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Maybe I never see him again. And I don't know

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how I feel about that, because it's an incredible experience

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to see something like that. But on the other hand,

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as I explained earlier, that I grew up seeing spirits,

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so spirits do not scare me at all, but see

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it to see something like this that, as I described

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earlier is the ultimate monster, the monster that is not

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meant to exist. And then you you cannot help but

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think what is out there? You know, you know, something

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that big could be walking beside you and you haven't

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got a clue until it chooses to show itself. It's

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just incredible, absolutely absolute, absolutely amazing. It has changed my life.

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It has changed my life completely, really has. I mean,

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it's a difficult thing trying to think. Since I saw him, obviously,

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I've done research and explored different ideas, and I've always

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been very spiritual anyway, because of all the things that

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I've seen and seeing him has opened up so many

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other ideas to me too, or so many different lines

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to go down. It's been a very interesting, a very

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interesting life it that way, very interesting. And he keeps

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me on my toes, Yeah, kicks me on my toes.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure it does. Your life is anything but boring,

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never a dull moment. It sounds like if you've had

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a Dogman encounter, I would like to speak with me

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about it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please

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go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. You

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alluded to the idea of the possibility that the female

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just might be jealous of how you interact with the male,

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the huge male. Someone left a comment touching on that

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they thought that might have been what was going on,

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and I sure hope that's not the case. That wouldn't

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be good.

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Speaker 2: Well, put it this way, he's shown himself to me

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in his massive form, and I do believe, hand on heart,

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he didn't stand up on purpose because he knew how

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terrifider would have been. So if he thinks that way

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about me, I can't see it being him that has

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thrown thats which I didn't explain, throwing that fear on

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me so often when I'm outside at night in my Horks,

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late at night, and I won't have heard anything or

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seen anything. But it's, like I explained, someone putting their

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hand in their pocket and just grabbing a big handful

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of fear and throwing it haw hard at you and

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it hits you really hard. I can't see him doing

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that to me. The reason he would do that to

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me is to maybe if there's something else out there.

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I thought about this, if there was something else out

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there that he is protecting me from, maybe he puts

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that fear on me so that I go indoors. I

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go indoors and lock myself and the dogs in and

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then we are safe, or hopefully safe. I think that

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is the only reason why he would do that to me.

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looked at that several I've turned it inside out, and

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I think that's the only way it can be. But

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obviously people might have other ideas, People with other experiences

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might have different ideas. And I'm really I'm really grateful

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for all the comments that you know, people put up,

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because that's part of the reason of doing this is

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because I, like I said, I can learn from this

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and other people will learn as well. Oh, I hope

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that explains.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a great job of explaining, so that

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you know you said that. Now, he seems to be

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about six feet tall at the shoulder on all fours well,

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as long as their torsos are normally can double their

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height on all fours and get a pretty close guess

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as to how tall they are bipedally. So yeah, more

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than likely he's probably tickling the twelve foot tall mark,

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which that's almost the height of a freeway underpass.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, it just seems impossible to have something that's massive

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that is walking around in the English countryside, let alone

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the UK where your forests are bigger. You know, we

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have got mountains here, some of our mountain ranges are

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pretty big, but obviously nothing like what you have. And

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to think that there is something that huge walking around

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and people will have no idea until, like me, you've

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seen it, and he could. You know, you could be

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out walking your dog and just walk straight past and

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have absolutely no idea, absolutely no idea, which is again

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why you know he's not I know people have bad encounters,

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but this has been good and it's certainly been an

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eye opener. And I honestly believe he's a guardian of

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the woodlands and the land here. And if that's the case,

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he's got no reason to want her to any one

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other than maybe to protect his woodland or maybe to

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protect me my dogs. I don't know, but I think

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the only reason he would have to really scarce someone

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out of the woodlands is if he's protecting his homeland. Basically,

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Speaker 1: Well, if he is a guardian, I don't think security

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is much of a problem for him. He sounds like

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a specimen. How old is your farm? Deasy?

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Speaker 2: It was in the Doomsday Book, so the going back

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you're talking about the tenth century. Now a lot of

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the house is sixteenth century and a lot of the

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old the outbuildings are older than that, so it is

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very old. It's an incredible place. There used to be

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an old water mill here, which the steps and that

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are still there in the in the river for that,

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and that's that's an amazing place to go up. When

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we were kids, we're always building raths and trying to

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get out onto the steps and I now I still

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got fishing down there. And yes, beautiful, stunning, absolutely stunning.

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I can lay in bed and listen to that river.

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It's just it's just incredible.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to do that, but I can't.

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I'd wind up peeing the bed. So oh that takes

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that off the table for me. Yeah, that wouldn't be good.

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It sounds like, yeah, that farm is really old, which

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calls to question. Have you ever turned up anything that

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makes you think that any kind of rituals or anything

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else might have been done there on the farm that

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might increase the likelihood of spiritual beings coming to the farm.

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Speaker 2: No, I have no, I haven't I have been. I've

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done some dowsing. I learned to dows as a kid,

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and i've you know, I'm I'm not professional nowhere near

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if anyone can be. But I can find drains and

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underground springs and things. I've doused this area, and there

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are lay lines here, and I believe that this farm

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might be smack on where they cross over, so that

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would be a big energy point. Now there are around

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the village there are places that they have found where

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they were not Roman, older than Roman, but they've found

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villas and places and stone circles and things that are

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very very old. Obviously. The church that is in the

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wood very close to our farm is eleventh century, and

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I did some research on that. They said before that

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church was there, there was an old wooden church. Before

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that there was a Roman temple, and then before that

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there was a place of Druid worship. So there is actually,

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although there's nothing visible, there has been in the past

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a lot going on around here. The church was meant

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to have been closed for one hundred years because it

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was said to have been used for un Christian practices,

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and that is basically smack bang in the middle of

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these woods. Well, yeah, so there, Like I said, although

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there's nothing visible, I have found in the woods some

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old earthworks which I want to explore and try and

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find out more about that. But I say, there is

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nothing really above ground visible now to seem. Oh my

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niece who basically believed she saw something similar to me

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a fortnight ago. She was out walking and she found

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the tree, which is probably probably nothing to do with this,

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but it's probably more pagan related. She said, people have

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been hanging ribbons and shells and things in there, and

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she found the deer lake hanging up in there the

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other day. And and think so whether that is anybody

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that has also seen him, and maybe that's their own

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little fanking station, you know, without actually being brave enough

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to ask people, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm. When you mentioned that old church in the woods

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there that was closed so long ago because Unchristian practices

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were being performed there, it really does call on the question,

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do you think it's a possibility that what you've been

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dealing with are demonic beings?

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Speaker 2: It's very very possible. Yes, it is possible. It's something

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that I've tried to find out more about. I don't

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really know now who I could go to to, you know,

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to go back as far as that, it must be

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in well, obviously I found that out, so it's in

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the church records. It's going back further than that.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the sound of that at all. How

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far is that church from your house into the woods.

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Speaker 2: In a straight line, it's probably a mile away. No,

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it's probably actually, do you know, it's probably not even

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a mile away. It's probably just over about half a

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mile in a straight line. M So it's not that

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far close between between that and us. There's lots of

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underground strings, which I do believe can carry a lot

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of energy as well, So there is there's a lot.

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There's a lot going on here that energy wise, and

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probably a lot of the reason why we have all

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all myself, my brothers and sisters, parents, we all seined

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spirits and say, we've all had orbs. I see a

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lot of I see mainly red orbs, and they're the

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ones that I don't like, because things have always happened

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after I see the red orbs, and they are actually,

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if I'm thinking now, I'm thinking about it, they are

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very close to the church. Between us and the church

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my dad. As I said before, my dad has mainly

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blue orbs. Some of them are absolutely massive. As I

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said before, have actually followed him home in his tractor,

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and to bless his soul, we had a friend until

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very recently passed away who left work one evening about

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six o'clock and had a blue orb following him nearly

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all the way home in his car. He actually stopped,

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got out and looked, and he said the orb went

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and then came back again and followed him the mess

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the way home. So there's obviously a lot of different

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energies going on here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say so. And what you told us about

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the church that does explain all those strange spiritual phenomena

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you've been experiencing over the years. It really does.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have an old campervan a K and I

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go away all over the UK in that van, just

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me and my dog, loads of books and art stuff.

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Love it. But I camped overnight in a field very

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close and very very close to that church and all

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the places I've been, that is the only place, and

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bear in mind I'm half a mile away from home.

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That is the only place I've ever felt unsafe in.

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It was I really did feel unsafe there.

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Speaker 1: Well, where there's smoke, there's normally fire. There must be

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something to that. Let's switch gears here and talk about

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those wood structures you found. Have you ever heard about

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any sasquatch being seen in your area?

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Speaker 2: No, I haven't, nothing at all. But I have seen

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two other I know this sounds weird, but I've seen

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two other creatures that I almost think they might be

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sads squatches. I think when I said two, I think

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it might be the same one. It's quite small, it's

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about five and a half at all. It's upright again,

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and it's all over pale gray and quite fluffy. In fact,

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the first time I saw it it was like a

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slim up right teddy bear. And I saw it after

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the cattle had been very upset and my dad was

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out and I had hurt my back, so I didn't

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want to go down there unless the cattle, unless I

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was really worried about them. The cattle were hollowing, and

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I thought, well, one might be a bought in its calf.

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So in the end of grabbing one of the dogs

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and went down there, and this huge, big red orb

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rose up out of the bushes. Probably went about six

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foot up and it was massive, biggest orb I've ever seen,

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and it exploded into like red and orange, and even

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in the daylight it was almost blinding. Just after that,

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this pale gray creature just literally glided through the gap

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in the bramble bushes, or past the gap, and it

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was really quite I mean, anybody would be say that's eerie,

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that sounds weird, but it just felt completely wrong. It

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felt completely wrong. And anyway, I managed to go uphill

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and look down on the cattle. They were still hollering

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and milling around in a clump, very upset, and I

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came home and later that evening I saw that same

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gray creature literally glide past my eye. Have a glass

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door into the back guard, and glide past that. And

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I'm going into detail on this because if there is

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a sasquatch here, then I think that was it. But

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what relation it was to do with the big red

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or I don't know. I don't know, And I've had

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other people say to me that's what Maybe it's what

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the dog man looks after me from. But on the

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other hand, I think he looks after me from the

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black one. So there's so much going on here. There's

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so much going on.

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Speaker 1: Here, he might be trying to protect you from both.

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, possibly that was until you know that I

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saw the gray, the Grays I call them, the first time.

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It was probably around August this year, and that was

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the first time i'd seen them, so up until then,

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I really just thought it was him and her, the

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black one. But now there's these other two grave things.

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I think it's probably the same grain one great one

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that I've seen twice. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of strange things going on around there, Dasy.

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I'll tell you I do.

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Speaker 2: I do like you say. I believe it's to do

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with the church and the lay line. I'm absolutely positive

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that there is a lay line that crosses straight over

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two lay lines here right on the farm and the

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energy that brings in. It's something that I want to

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explore and do more research on. When I'm one hundred

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percent positive I'm right with my doubts in then I

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will know exactly where I am with that that idea.

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Speaker 1: Your farm definitely seems to be a hotspot for pure

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normal activity, and normally you can point to one thing

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and say that's probably why, But in your case, there

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are several reasons why that might be happening, So all

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we can do is guess. Now, you have quite a

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few experiences that involved seem to be malevolent beings over

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the years. I'm wondering, though, how sure are you that

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he wasn't responsible for those negative experiences.

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Speaker 2: I'm not not, really, I'm not. I can't say hand

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on heart that he's not. If it is him, then,

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oh that's difficult. I was going to say, if it

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is him or was him, then again, I would believe

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that he's driving me indoors to keep me safe. But

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then with that last of energy that came through my bedroom,

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that was the most It was honestly the most terrifying

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thing I've ever encountered. It was probably not as much

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as him, if he'd actually stood up that time, but

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it was like it was like a shock wave. If

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you didn't hear the first one. It was this massive, great,

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big shockwave that went through my bedroom and actually knocked

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my owl off his perch like a hand, like a

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big bloker's hand, and pushed my dog over. He was

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sitting up, and he pushed him over on to his side,

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and then it ripped down some wind chimes, outside my

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bridge and window, so I can't if that had been him,

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that would have meant he was on purposely scaring me,

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and and he did a big job, a really good job.

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But probably more if it is one of those, than

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probably more likely to be the black one. But with

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everything else that has happened here all my life, the

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different energies and the different spirits that all my family

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have seen, honestly, if it could have been anything, it

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could have been any of them. We have a lady.

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We have a lady's spirit here, which we've now I'm

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not gonna name her because lots of the village know

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and if they hear it, they know exactly where I am.

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But she's lovely, she's been with us all her life.

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She plays tricks on us, and all us kids have

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grown up talking about all the silly things she's done

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with us, and she's like part of the family. But

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there is we've also been a very large man here

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who's not very nice, not very nice at all. So

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it's very very possible. But whatever reason he aimed that

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at me, but I'm waffling, and I just I just

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I really don't know on that one. It's very difficult

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very difficult. If it was him, I do believe he

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was doing it for reason to keep me in, but

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I was already in, So I don't think it was him.

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I don't think it was him.

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Speaker 1: Really well, you just might be right. It might not

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be him. Now I've got opinions on this, but I

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want to ask you. There are several comments listeners left

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that touched on the possibility that he is a demonic

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entity that's simply grooming you in some way. What are

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your thoughts on there?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did, It did cross my mind. Someone put

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up trickster trickster, and actually a friend of mine very

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recently said the same thing. So you're being tricked, You're

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being you know, he's he's falling you. Basically, I don't.

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I don't feel that. Yes, it's a really difficult thing.

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I don't feel that. I Oh, maybe that's me not

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wanting to feel that because because I'm living it, and

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because that's too that is too scary to think that,

476
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,200
because if that is the case, then one day he

477
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:56,160
will turn and do something. But I don't honestly feel that.

478
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:02,440
My gut feeling is that, my gut feeling is he's

479
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,519
actually looking after me from something else. If he is

480
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:10,960
full of me, then he's very very clever, And maybe

481
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,680
I just haven't had enough. I've had a lot of experience,

482
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:17,400
but maybe the wrong experience is to tell the difference.

483
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:23,400
But I do, I do feel that the large male,

484
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,079
I don't honestly do feel with him that he's some

485
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:32,799
type of guardian and that there's something else going on here. Yeah,

486
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:33,480
I really do.

487
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: What I really wonder about with all this is if

488
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,039
he was grooming you for a fall, why do that?

489
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:44,519
If his intent is to take you down to harm

490
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,720
you somehow, he's had all these opportunities to do it,

491
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,240
If that's what he wanted, why hasn't he done that

492
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:51,759
by now?

493
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: I know, well, I think you know, I'm sixty now,

494
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,759
and if he's been walking the woodlands, well, I believe

495
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,880
he's been here before, He's had multiple times that he

496
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:08,679
wouldn't wait sixty years to hurt me. You know, he wouldn't.

497
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:15,599
Though I suppose that the time is you know, he's

498
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,480
here forever, isn't he So time isn't a limit to him.

499
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,079
But I believe if he was going to hurt me

500
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,599
or my animals, he would have done it by now.

501
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:29,519
There's something else going on here. I'm positive there's something

502
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:31,119
else going on, and he looks after me.

503
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds like you just might be right about that.

504
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,639
When you had your first encounter with him about twenty

505
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,039
years ago, you said that he seemed to be surprised

506
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,719
to see. Uh, wouldn't he stood up onto his back

507
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,519
legs to run away? How would you describe that motion

508
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,360
he used to stand up like that? Did it look

509
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,159
like he did a hard push up or was it

510
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,320
some other kind of motion.

511
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: It was very, very quick, It was very fluid, very graceful.

512
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,440
I didn't hear, you know, since then, I've heard people

513
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,960
say you can hear their joints popping and things. I

514
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,760
didn't hear any of that. Nothing. It was just it

515
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,960
would be impossible to picture. But if you're just in

516
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,079
picture pictured your your pet dog just standing up and

517
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,239
doing that, it was. They wouldn't be graceful because they're

518
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,639
not designed to do it, obviously, but it was. It

519
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:27,559
was just one very fluid motion, like like a very

520
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,400
I don't think a person could do that actually in

521
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,840
without stumbling or or just looking awkward for a second.

522
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,400
It was just very graceful, just straight up and span round.

523
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. You have so

524
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,039
many things going on there, Daisy, it makes you wonder

525
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,559
what's next, It really does. You're unable to go out

526
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,239
after dark without a worry anymore. Do you think there's

527
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,119
ever going to come a time where you're able to

528
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,000
head out after dark and actually enjoy yourself. I mean,

529
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,280
you're far and sounds so beautiful. It really would be

530
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480
a shame if you could do that. But on the

531
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,639
other hand, I do understand why you have these concerns

532
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:09,360
when you think about everything that's gone on.

533
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: It's very difficult because obviously both times I've seen him

534
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:22,960
were beautiful sunny days, so but things have happened at night,

535
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,760
especially the winter of twenty three, which I was saying

536
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,280
about last time, and it's because of the build up

537
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,719
of all of those that have happened after dark, and

538
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:41,000
they have been really really scary, really really nasty. And

539
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,559
as I've said to you before, I loved to be

540
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,800
out the woods at nighttime on my own, just me

541
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,480
and a dog, or sitting in the middle of the field,

542
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:51,679
open field, just looking at the stars. And I would

543
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,559
do it for hours, to just sit there and just

544
00:36:53,599 --> 00:37:01,800
look at the stars. And now I can. I'm just

545
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,840
about getting brave enough to I have to go and

546
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,119
see my pulse. He's not far away from the house,

547
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:09,320
so at ten o'clock I have to go and check

548
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:15,159
him whatever. And I brought myself a really powerful torch,

549
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,280
which has given me a bit more confidence, which is silly,

550
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,519
and I keep telling myself it's silly, because honestly, that

551
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,719
talk is not going to save me if anything does happen,

552
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,440
it's just the fact that I can see it, hopefully,

553
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:35,039
but I don't. I've been up the fields recently. It's

554
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,679
dark here now at how past four it's pitch black Bay,

555
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,840
and I've been up the fields sort of halff and

556
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:47,559
trying to keep myself up there for longer, trying to

557
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,360
build up the confidence. But I just can't. I can't.

558
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,519
And I'll get home onto the farm and obviously there's

559
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:57,280
a couple of little lights, you know, got the house

560
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:04,320
like wom but any lamps outside thing. And I will

561
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,440
wander around, just trying to force myself to stay out there,

562
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,880
trying to bring back that love of being out there.

563
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,039
The love hasn't gone, but I just don't feel I

564
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:18,360
don't feel safe now often, and it happened a couple

565
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,400
of nights ago. I nothing bad happened, and I didn't

566
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,159
feel the fear, but I was just intently aware that

567
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:28,239
I was being watched and I got indoors and it

568
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,440
just felt like it just felt like I was still

569
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,840
being watched through maybe through the windows, through the walls,

570
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,400
I don't know, but I could just I was aware

571
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,639
of it. And I say, I didn't get hit by

572
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,360
that fear nothing, but I was just aware of it.

573
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:49,920
And ah after, Like I explained earlier, I've had him

574
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,880
walk up to me and not been able to see him.

575
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:57,719
I've seen him, I've said I I've seen him in

576
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,639
his invisible forms. Sounds weird, but that's how I've seen

577
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,760
him three times. And to know that they can do

578
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,760
that and unless you see a movement, they can be

579
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:17,519
right beside you is a very daunting thing when I'm

580
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,639
out there on my own, and I mean honestly, if

581
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:24,400
there was someone with you and something happened, it's like

582
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:28,000
having the confidence in that trchlight, isn't it. Basically if something,

583
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:29,960
if they decide to do something, they're going to do,

584
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:33,800
which again goes back to the fact that I believe

585
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,800
he's not going to hurt me because he would have

586
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,599
done so many times before, and I do feel that,

587
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,679
more than anything, he's beside me to look after me

588
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,480
from something else. The answer is, I don't think I

589
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:53,280
can imagine ever feeling I know, I can't imagine ever

590
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,440
feeling safe again out there at nighttime, which is silly

591
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,440
because I am going up the woods now again. For

592
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,559
I had a year where I didn't go up the

593
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:05,679
woods because of this, and I forced myself and I've

594
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,679
you know, every time I'm up there, I'm thinking, oh

595
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,000
my god, am I going to see him? And my

596
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:13,559
dog's okay? But it's my life and I'm trying to

597
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,159
build up that confidence again, but I will never have

598
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,239
it again at nighttime.

599
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: Well, it goes with us saying I'm so glad you're

600
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,320
able to hit back up into the woods and do

601
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,280
whatever you need to do out there at night again.

602
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:26,119
It really would be a shame if you could never

603
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:30,320
do that. I'm still not sure how you feel about this, though, Dazy.

604
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,079
Are you glad you've had all the encounters you've had

605
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:35,800
with him, or in some way do you wish to

606
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,679
then never happened?

607
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:43,119
Speaker 2: Oh? Both. I think he's the best way of answering that,

608
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:55,639
because gosh, that's a difficult one. I would say it's

609
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,639
in a tiny way, I feel blessed that I've seen

610
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:05,079
him because I know that these But maybe that goes

611
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,480
again back to the fact that I believe he's my

612
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:12,079
guardian or and a guardian of woodlands. So in that way,

613
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:17,000
I feel blessed. But the fact that I knew spirits

614
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:21,199
exist anyway, I've seen so many in different forms. But again,

615
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:28,159
to see something like him, something so massive, with obviously

616
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:33,599
these gifts that they have knew were left in absolutely

617
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:38,079
no doubt all that going to be. There will be

618
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:45,960
other things that exist. No, Like I said, I grew

619
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,960
up seeing spirits. I've seen all types of spirits, animals,

620
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,079
and I mean I'm a dog talking about dogs and humans.

621
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:57,280
But to actually see something that looks like him, so

622
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:04,159
massive and so close, yes, and to have or like

623
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:09,599
that that that blast that went through my bedroom, To

624
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:12,000
know that those things happen and there's going to be

625
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:17,559
more out there, that's that's very daunting. It makes you

626
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,599
feel very small. It does makes you feel very small

627
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:25,400
and very not not insecure is the wrong word, but

628
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:28,079
it does just makes you feel teeny.

629
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it does. He would have to. You

630
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,960
told us that when you see him now, it's almost

631
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:38,519
like you're seeing a long lost friend. With that said, though,

632
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:44,119
do you really think you can fully trust him?

633
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: No? I couldn't, not one hundred per No. I couldn't.

634
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,159
And that's another difficult one because like I said, like

635
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,400
I said, I do feel he's a guardian, and I

636
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,119
do talk myself into believing that he's not going to

637
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:03,360
hurt me, because otherwise, if I go around thinking he's

638
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,639
going to hurt me every five minutes, then I would

639
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,800
have lost my life. I would have lost my free

640
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,559
will to walk the woodlands, which is the fact what

641
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,880
happened to my mum. My mum had two encounters. The

642
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,519
second one left her. She never ever ever went to

643
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:20,800
the woods again. She would always walk in the fields

644
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:23,599
in the open where she could see something coming towards her.

645
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,679
If I go around all the time believing that he's

646
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,440
around the corner and he's going to hurt me or

647
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,079
my dogs, I'll lose my life of walking in those woodlands,

648
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:38,360
and I would really really struggle. Without that, I wouldn't

649
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:45,840
be myself. So I believe that he's my guarden and

650
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,039
I took myself into it, both of them, but I

651
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:56,320
couldn't say that I trust him completely with myself or

652
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,519
my dogs. And I don't know if that's just because

653
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:04,800
obviously since my encounters, I've I've watched showed, you know,

654
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,320
chats like yours and others, and I've heard some really

655
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,920
bad stories and so maybe it's my mind working over time.

656
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,880
Maybe I'm scaring myself. But with something like that, I don't.

657
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,159
You couldn't say one hund that you trust them. You

658
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,239
just can't. A little way. I feel like I've let

659
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:31,480
him down by saying that. But honestly, with something like that,

660
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:35,559
it would be like living with a lion, a pet line,

661
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,880
and you know, and making friends with it. It would be

662
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,079
your kitten, but you would never one hundred percent trust

663
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,760
that it's not it's nature's not going to kick in

664
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,000
and it's not going to see you as a stake.

665
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wouldn't be good. Like me, You've got strong

666
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,199
beliefs about the afterlife. Have all these encounters that you've

667
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:04,639
had had any effect on that.

668
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: That's difficult? Again, No, not really, only in the fact

669
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,119
that I believe he's been here forever. In fact, I

670
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:16,599
was saying to someone a while ago, it's almost like

671
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,719
he's older than the land. It's almost like he was

672
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,800
part of the reason this land was made. But I

673
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,280
have had other spirits come back to me and talk

674
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,320
to me and tell me certain things. So I have,

675
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:36,559
you know, our hundred percent believe that this isn't all

676
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:40,760
there is. I know there's much much more. And it's

677
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:47,039
something that certain people I talked to it because you know,

678
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,639
when people lose loved ones and it's just horrendous. It's

679
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,800
just it's awful and it's so sad. But if they

680
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,800
could understand unerstand some of the things that I've been

681
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,360
to old, or if they could see them themselves, it

682
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:07,360
would help them so much knowing that their loved ones

683
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,159
are still around and that at some point they will

684
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,519
still be back together. They really will.

685
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: When you come to that realization, it does change everything.

686
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. There's so much more I will, yeah, so

687
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,639
much more. I mean, my mom passed five years ago.

688
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,559
She's she's been back to see me twice. Before my

689
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:32,920
mom passed, my grand came to me and told me

690
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,159
my mum was going to be ill, and she told

691
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:41,840
me certain things that they're all played out and yeah,

692
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,679
I've seen I've seen a lot. I've had a lot

693
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:48,280
of spirits come and tell me things and very personal

694
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,280
things that other people wouldn't know. And it's very very comforting,

695
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,280
really is. It's lovely. It's really lovely to know that they, honestly,

696
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,760
they are still around. But as for him, it's really

697
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,679
the length of time that he's been here. But that's

698
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:10,960
a different thing, really, that's it. That's something else that

699
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,599
requires a lot of thought, but that way, because he's

700
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:14,559
so different.

701
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that he is. Do all of your siblings know

702
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,280
about the experiences you've had with that dogged me in?

703
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,199
And if so, how did they respond when you're told them, yes, they.

704
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: Do, trying to think they do. They all believe me,

705
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,039
apart from my younger brother who has had not not

706
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:43,400
experiences with him, but experiences were spirits. But he's you know,

707
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,639
he's been through he's been through an awful lot, and

708
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:48,159
I think he's shut himself down and he's just trying

709
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:51,519
to what he calls live a normal life. He doesn't

710
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:54,800
disbelieve me, but he doesn't believe me either. The others

711
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,159
they all believe me completely. I had one sister who's

712
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,320
we are saying, we've all grown up seeing spirits, but

713
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:05,639
some of us more so than others. One sister is

714
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,800
just like me, and I told her about the second encounter.

715
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,480
I told her about the first and tend but when

716
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,079
I told her about the second encounter, she looked at

717
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:17,440
me like, well, I believe you, but I'm not quite

718
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,760
sure it was that extreme. And then I took her

719
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,800
for a walk, probably about a month after the second encounter,

720
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:27,719
and we were actually on the same track in the

721
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,039
exact spot that I saw him, but I hadn't told

722
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:33,880
her where it was. And I was walking ahead with

723
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,719
my dog. She was behind me a little way with

724
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:41,519
her dogs, and she did a half scream and I

725
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,559
turned around, you know, said what was wrong, and she said,

726
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,480
she went, oh, my god, something's just growled at me.

727
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,440
Something's growling at me in my ear. And I knew

728
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,719
what that was, and she knew what it was, and

729
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,000
so she completely believes me now. But he's done that

730
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:02,360
to me. He's growled at me literally like he's literally

731
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,000
like he's resting or someone has resting his head on

732
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,400
my shoulder. Is that loud? And once it was like

733
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,239
a snarl, And the second times with like these brunchy growls,

734
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,000
which are very scary, very scared, whether that was him

735
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,320
or whether that was her. But either way, I didn't

736
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,559
come to any harm, which is very scared. I didn't

737
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:24,800
the first time it happened. I didn't go back to

738
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:30,800
the area of about six months. It scared me so badly. Sorry.

739
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:32,920
They do believe me, and my dad believes me, and

740
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,800
like I said, he's heard things to back him up

741
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,239
even more, you know, because the others don't live here.

742
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,920
They left home and got married, and but Dad's obviously

743
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,920
here with me, so he's heard more than they have.

744
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,639
Speaker 1: When your sister had that experience, did she run to

745
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:55,440
tell all of the other siblings about what happened to her?

746
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: I think she's told her daughters. She's told her daughters

747
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,119
and maybe my other sister, yes, my other sister, But

748
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:07,360
I don't know about any anyone else. So it really

749
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:12,000
scared her. In fact, I'm trying to think, I don't

750
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,280
think she's been up there since with me since then,

751
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,320
and that was well well over a year ago. So yeah, how.

752
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,199
Speaker 1: About your dad? Is he afraid to be alone?

753
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,679
Speaker 2: He doesn't like to be on his own. I wouldn't

754
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,800
say he's particularly afraid, but he doesn't like to be.

755
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,199
He had an experienced years ago. He was actually out

756
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,360
poaching with a friend and he said they heard something

757
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,840
walking towards them through really thick like bram or something,

758
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:48,840
and so it was really loud. They had a big

759
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,920
torch with them, they couldn't see anything, and he said,

760
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,519
whatever it was, he said, walked straight up to them,

761
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,039
both of them, and absolutely frightened the life out of

762
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:00,360
his mate. And I think because probably it's had a

763
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,320
bit more experience with spirits, he was scared, but it

764
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,639
didn't terrify him. But he said that they had the

765
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,519
same as what I've had. This whatever it was walked

766
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:13,519
straight up to them and he said, you could literally

767
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,199
I might be wrong, but I'm sure he said you

768
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,119
could hear something breathing in front of them. And yeah,

769
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:23,960
and he will still talk about that to this day.

770
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,679
So he's he's he's had quite a few things happen

771
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:29,480
to himself.

772
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it. You taught us about that

773
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,519
big dog man's ability to cloak when he's done that

774
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:47,599
around you, do you ever feel any strange sensations.

775
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: Not as in not as in sickness. I've often had

776
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,920
it's just like a pressure. It's not like really a headache.

777
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,400
But I've had a pressure in my head or on

778
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:04,519
my head, almost like almost like someone's pushing your head back.

779
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,400
I've had that, but I haven't had sickness or actual

780
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,119
pain in my head. It's more like it's like a

781
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,719
big thumb on my forehead, just pushing a forehead on

782
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,119
my chin. I've had that on my chin, and that

783
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,000
was quite that was quite forceful, like something just pushing

784
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,320
me back slowly and steadily. I've had that.

785
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: Well, that's strange.

786
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:34,599
Speaker 2: Have you heard of that?

787
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: Well, no, I've never heard of that. Some people have

788
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:45,159
reported tingling electricity type sensation, but I've never heard about

789
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:45,719
that before.

790
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,559
Speaker 2: You've just I have had tingling. I've had like waves

791
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:54,440
of what I call waves of tingling starts in my

792
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:56,960
calves and then works its way all the way up.

793
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,360
So I was forgetting that too, said it. But yeah,

794
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,320
I've had that, but no sickness or like that like

795
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:03,960
some people.

796
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: I didn't want to lead you with that question by

797
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,880
asking you about tingling, so yeah, that's why I didn't

798
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,039
bring that up. But yeah, they do all sorts of

799
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:13,800
strange things.

800
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be a form of energy that they're

801
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,760
given out or I don't know. I mean, the pressure

802
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,320
thing really is just like a big thumb, like I said,

803
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:28,199
I have on my forehead, on my chin, and it's

804
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,039
a gentle pressure that will actually feel like I'm being

805
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,440
pushed backwards. But the tingling is like huge big waves

806
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,159
of tingles just go straight up for your body. And

807
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:40,559
I forgot about that too, said it.

808
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to feel awfully strange. It must, other

809
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:48,960
than that strange force, that strong force that blew through

810
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,079
your home that one time. Has anything ever happened that

811
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,119
makes you think that he might have come inside?

812
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I had. It was just a few

813
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,760
years ago, and it might have been him, it might

814
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,280
not have been. I was actually clearing out a bedroom

815
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:15,639
and this is the one I'm in now, and I

816
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,079
pulled some boxes out from underneath the bed, and I

817
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:24,840
just became very aware of something behind me. This might

818
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,360
be him, or it might be the spirit of the

819
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,880
man I was talking about earlier, because it literally did fear.

820
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,800
It was very very intense, and it literally felt like

821
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,599
I was just waiting for something behind me to punch

822
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:42,199
me in the back. It was like that very very

823
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:48,679
intense so rather than other than that and the force

824
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:53,119
like I can't I can't say you know whether it

825
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:55,280
was him or not, but I had I did have that,

826
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,239
and that was that was a horrible sensation, which really

827
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,480
was just like waiting to be punched in the back,

828
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:05,119
was waiting for that pain, you know, which didn't happen.

829
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: But not very nice, not very nice at all. You

830
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,039
sure don't frighten easily, Daisy. I've got to give it

831
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,480
to you. If most people had a fourth of the

832
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:18,039
experiences that you've had on that property, they would have

833
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,599
packed up and gotten out of there. But the fact

834
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:22,360
you're still there that says everything.

835
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: I think. If I hadn't grown up like I did

836
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:30,679
and the rest of my family having all these encounters

837
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:36,599
with spirits, then i'd have been absolutely terrified, absolutely terrified.

838
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,679
But it's almost like we grew up being we grew

839
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:46,079
up accepting all these other things. So he's very extreme,

840
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:48,920
but he's just another step away from all of that. Really.

841
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to sum it up. It is. Well,

842
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,920
it's about time for us to get out of here.

843
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,760
But before we do, do you have any clothes and

844
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,119
comments you want to share with us?

845
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: Oh? No, other than I really do. Again, I'm going

846
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,480
back to it. I do feel that he is. They're

847
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:18,880
guardians of the woodlands, they really are, and I believe

848
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:23,280
that the more houses and things that go up, then

849
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,519
maybe the more encounters people will have with these. It's

850
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:29,480
a bit like the large cats being driven out of

851
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:34,920
their areas, and people will have more encounters. I just

852
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:41,639
hope that other people can have encounters like mine because

853
00:56:41,679 --> 00:56:46,239
I've been very, very lucky. I hope I'm correct and

854
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,480
that he is looking after me. I really pray that

855
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,320
that is the case, and I do feel that is

856
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:57,840
the case. And I'm sure that it hasn't it all

857
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,639
ended yet because this, like I said, twenty twenty three

858
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,280
was awful, really really awful, and certain things have really

859
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,440
happened this year to believe that it's all building up again.

860
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:15,760
But time will tell on that. I just just go

861
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,639
around doing what I do and trying to keep my

862
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:23,920
head down from it all. I don't know. I wouldn't

863
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,519
I wouldn't live any other way. I adore this place,

864
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:31,519
and if he's here with me, then so be it.

865
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:35,960
The two of us have just got to find a

866
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:41,000
way of respecting each other and getting along basically, as

867
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,480
long as he doesn't hurt me, my family, or my animals,

868
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:46,039
then and there's always fine.

869
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:49,079
Speaker 1: I hope he never does do any of those things.

870
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,800
I really do, And I don't know how I could

871
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,239
ever help you, but if I ever can, please let

872
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:55,840
me know, and I'll be there for you.

873
00:57:57,199 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, I know. And it's been so

874
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:04,480
it's been so helpful doing this, and as I said before,

875
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:12,119
reading people's comments, because they're so interesting, and people have

876
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:16,320
got some amazing ideas and some you know, I can

877
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,920
either help them or they'll help me to try. And

878
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,119
you know, he's here, He's never going to go away.

879
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:27,000
He's here. I just have to take alum beside him.

880
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:30,800
So there's nothing basically that anybody could do about that

881
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,079
is here. This is his own He's probably got more

882
00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:37,360
right here than I have. But as long as we

883
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:44,199
learn to live together relatively comfortably without any one getting hurt,

884
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:45,119
well that's what matters.

885
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,559
Speaker 1: That's right, that's all that does. Well easy. I can't

886
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:52,239
thank you enough for coming on to share those experiences

887
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:54,760
with us. Like I told you before, I really do

888
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,920
appreciate it. And of course I hope you have a

889
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:19,320
great nights