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<v Speaker 1>Seven o six if aty five KRC DE Talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Been a very happy Friday to you. Happy to welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the pe Pod KRC Morning Show. Wish she

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<v Speaker 1>was an institut but apparently he had a late night out.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what he was doing out there. Brigha

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<v Speaker 1>McCown from the Hudson Institute, Senior fellow there, director of

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<v Speaker 1>the Initiative on American Energy Security. Hudson dot org is

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<v Speaker 1>where you find him online. He has more than three

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<v Speaker 1>decades of domestic and foreign policy experience while serving in

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<v Speaker 1>multiple positions within an industry, government, and the military. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's also a professor at Miami University, teaching graduate and

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<v Speaker 1>undergraduate courses in law, policy and ethics. Welcome back, Brigham.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always great having you on my program.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much. It's great to be with you this morning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>late night out.

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<v Speaker 1>We won't ask you to elaborate on the details, Brigham.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was something that was on the up

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<v Speaker 1>and up anyway, energy policy generally. I was happy for them,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm happy to see it that they're rolling out.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm a big fan of these modular small modular reactors.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of using nuclear power because we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to build a giant three mile island with the giant

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<v Speaker 1>cooling tower in old nineteen seventies technology. The world's evolved,

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<v Speaker 1>and nuclear power has evolved as well, and it generates

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<v Speaker 1>gazillions of amounts of power on a very small footprint.

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<v Speaker 1>Waste issues are not a problem, as we've learned as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ontario, Canada, they said they've given final approval for

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<v Speaker 1>the construction of the very first western world small modular reactor.

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<v Speaker 1>How come Ontario is getting to do it and we're not,

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<v Speaker 1>Brigham McCalla when this seems to me the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's climate change warriors because it doesn't put on any carbon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know it does, doesn't it. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's partially because, you know, Ora policies, our domestic policies

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<v Speaker 2>have been some of our own worst Anny's light. For example, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>I got back at one thirty in the morning on

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<v Speaker 2>a flight that was supposed to land at Cincinnati at

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<v Speaker 2>ten o'clock. Why because air traffic control is outdated. We

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<v Speaker 2>use stuff from the sixties and seventies. This is sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the mindset across all of the federal government, including

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<v Speaker 2>energy and what was once a very promising nuclear industry

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<v Speaker 2>in this country in the sixties and seventies, remember the

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<v Speaker 2>atomic age. We were going to do it everywhere everything

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<v Speaker 2>was atomic. We allowed ourselves to get mired in a

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<v Speaker 2>government red tape bureaucratic delays to where we're no longer innovative.

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<v Speaker 2>Other countries are moving much faster than we are. But

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<v Speaker 2>the good news is if there is one is I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're starting to figure this out. And Ontario, which

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<v Speaker 2>has a more conservative government, it's like, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and there's I mean in Ohio. I talked to

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<v Speaker 1>Vivak Ramaswami about this. He's all in favor of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he make Ohio the energy generation capital of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. And you know, inexpensive energy draws business

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<v Speaker 1>and industry. And if we provide that, man, you just

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<v Speaker 1>you have to put a fence up to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>businesses from wanting to come into the state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just smart policy across the board. And

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<v Speaker 1>again there is no possible or legitimately underscore that or

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<v Speaker 1>reason for anyone to argue against this. It should be

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<v Speaker 1>embraced by the climate change o armist because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>produce anything by way of waste. It's just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know as have our elected officials been propagandized into believing

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<v Speaker 1>every one of these represents a three mile island or

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<v Speaker 1>Cherniobyl like threat.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think there are a couple of different issues

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<v Speaker 2>at play, yes, in part. First of all, back to

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<v Speaker 2>your point on the cost of energy. You know, one

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<v Speaker 2>of things that we've explored at Hudson Institute is g

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<v Speaker 2>why does manufacturing leave. Well, it leaves because things cost

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<v Speaker 2>too much, and certainly wages can be part of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the cost of energy and industrial building and an

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<v Speaker 2>industrial capacity is the tipping point between companies that make

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<v Speaker 2>profit and ie expand and hire more people and companies

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<v Speaker 2>that can't make it. And that's what Ohio and parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the quote russ Belt had experienced, was the loss

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<v Speaker 2>of energy, the loss of the loss of affordable energy.

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<v Speaker 2>When you don't have affordable energy, you don't put money

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<v Speaker 2>back into your plans, you don't put money back into

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<v Speaker 2>your infrastructure, and it's sort of a spiraling decay. And

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<v Speaker 2>so where we have cheap electricity, cheap energy, we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>industry move back.

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<v Speaker 1>In well, and all this on the heels of the

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<v Speaker 1>new announcement from this morning, Duke Energy is raising customers

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<v Speaker 1>prices again. Public you told, a commission of Ohio announced

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<v Speaker 1>that Duke Energy is going to be jump bumping the

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<v Speaker 1>price of the killowatt hour by two point five cents

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<v Speaker 1>per killowot hour. Sounds small, but it all adds up.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring them, Yeah, it does really all add up. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I hate to say it. Spent a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times the utility companies they're like, yeah, we'll pass

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<v Speaker 2>it off to the consumer. You want to regulate this, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>you want us to use when us to use more

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<v Speaker 2>expensive energy, fine, we'll just pass it on to the consumer.

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<v Speaker 2>Say we had to do it the energy companies, the

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<v Speaker 2>utility companies need to step up and be part of

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<v Speaker 2>the solution. And say you would think, Brian, like, people

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<v Speaker 2>want to sell more electricity, right, I mean I'd want

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<v Speaker 2>to sell more if I make candy bars, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to sell more candy bars. But for some reason, the

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<v Speaker 2>utility industry just seems content to pass prices along and

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<v Speaker 2>not worry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I noted out in California, it was an

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<v Speaker 1>analysis that was done by the Specific Research Research Institute

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how unbelievably expensive it is to pursue this

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<v Speaker 1>green future out there. The study that they produce, so

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<v Speaker 1>the financial burden estimates that this green transition is going

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<v Speaker 1>to cost Californians each and every one of them seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand plus between seventeen thousand and twenty thousand dollars per

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<v Speaker 1>family to switch over to just alternative energy sources that

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<v Speaker 1>are non carbon producing, and of course, none of which

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<v Speaker 1>includes the aforementioned small modular reactors I talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is, it is, And you know, you look

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<v Speaker 2>at California wholesale electric prices if and increase more than

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<v Speaker 2>four fold, it's directly tied to their policies out there. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want, if you want to throw up a

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<v Speaker 2>solar panel, you want to do windmill, fantastic, But you

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<v Speaker 2>get back to nuclear right to your point, if if

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<v Speaker 2>and assuming, if you're like, golly, carbon is a huge problem.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to take care of the environment with CO two,

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<v Speaker 2>which is only one of numerous greenhouse gases. But for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason we're going to fixate on that. Yeah, great,

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<v Speaker 2>n clear is a zero emission fuel. So if that's

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<v Speaker 2>your stick, then you ought to be all over nuclear.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and this the nefarious thing lurking behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thoroughly convinced, Briga McCowan is that we did have

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<v Speaker 1>small modular reactors, they did produce an abundance of power.

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<v Speaker 1>We would expand our domestic production, we would increase our

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<v Speaker 1>consumption because inexpensive electricity translates to a better life for

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<v Speaker 1>all of us, and that therefore we would not fall

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<v Speaker 1>in line with the global alarming alarmists concerns about our

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<v Speaker 1>overconsumption and are destroying the planet with our you know,

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<v Speaker 1>buying up all the resources and consuming them. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, productive country does go through a lot of resources,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's really the goal here is to

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<v Speaker 1>undermine our productivity and our success here in this and

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise free quasi capitalist country.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely couldn't agree more. And by the way, if also

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<v Speaker 2>you're into the climate, you would think you would want

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<v Speaker 2>things made in America where we do take environmental protection seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>where we can do it by emitting far less harmful

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<v Speaker 2>products to the environment. And say, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>China, right, That's that's the other weird thing about these

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<v Speaker 1>climbate alarm ist Brigham, is that no one ever points

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<v Speaker 1>a finger at China, who regularly continues to build new

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<v Speaker 1>coal fired power plants. They don't have an EPA, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not concerned about the environment. They don't have strict rules

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<v Speaker 1>and regulations like we do. So we're just giving more

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<v Speaker 1>and more opportunity for the Chinese to keep their prices

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<v Speaker 1>down because while they have inexpensive electricity generated by polluting coal,

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<v Speaker 1>not a word about China, or rarely ever word. Although

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<v Speaker 1>China occasionally plays lip service to wanting to help with

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with climate chains, they don't lift a finger to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you've got their four to one one, Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>I do, I do well. Pause will bring Brigham account

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<v Speaker 1>Hudson Institute. Go online to Hudson dot org and check

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<v Speaker 1>that page out bookmarket. It's got some great material there.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of electricity culling, my friends have Colored Electric family

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<v Speaker 1>owned and operated since nineteen ninety nine, A plus with

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons their honest reputation. That's an APE plus there.

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<v Speaker 1>Provide all facets of residential electric work between the smallest project.

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<v Speaker 1>I always use like as an illustration, an outlet install

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe a can light or two. They did our

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<v Speaker 1>whole house with can lights. I love those things.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe wiring up your media room they'll do that. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>wire up your whole house generator. They did that for me. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and help me with the remodeling project in the bathrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>Most recently they were over at our house for that

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<v Speaker 1>and of course a wonderful job it was. Price is

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<v Speaker 1>always right and they have a ten year wiring warranty.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything they do for you comes along with that ten

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<v Speaker 1>It's seven eighteen if you've got KRCD talk station. Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas with Brigham Account Hudson dot orgs where you find

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<v Speaker 1>the Hudson Institute. He is the Senior Fellow Director of

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<v Speaker 1>Innovation on American Energy Security. That's another component of energy

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<v Speaker 1>production is secure already bring them as to have a

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<v Speaker 1>secure America. He needs secure grid and the other component

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<v Speaker 1>of this, although away from energy production, is the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that our grid isn't necessarily secure from the Chinese Communist Party,

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<v Speaker 1>hackers or other nefarious actors in the world who could easily,

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<v Speaker 1>I've come to the understanding easily just shut the grid down,

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<v Speaker 1>which would result in obvious chaos for multiple reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it absolutely would. And I think, Brian, that's another

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<v Speaker 2>reason why this rush to electrify everything is maybe well

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<v Speaker 2>intended by some, but there's nothing wrong with natural gas.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got it in my house, most people do have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not put all of our eggs in one basket.

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<v Speaker 2>There needs to be we call it a Belton sustenders approach.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have backups, so you have to have

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's clear. We've seen the CCP intentionally get

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<v Speaker 2>into our electrical, our power, our other energy infrastructure. So

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<v Speaker 2>far it seems to be probing around. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>these are not good guys. You know your friends, don't

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<v Speaker 2>They're looking for ways that should a conflict to come up,

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<v Speaker 2>or should we tell them they can't take over Taiwan

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<v Speaker 2>or they can't do whatever they want to do. Part

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<v Speaker 2>type of warfare that we're used to exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I keep pivoting back to California, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're pushed to get everybody in an electric vehicle and

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<v Speaker 1>achieve zero emission status by some randomly selected year. There

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<v Speaker 1>out noting that because of all of the refinery shutdowns,

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<v Speaker 1>which were in large part pushed by all the regulatory costs, burdens,

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<v Speaker 1>and obligations the government of California State placed upon these refineries,

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<v Speaker 1>including the litigation that they filed against the petroleum companies

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that they're directly responsible for global warming, a nonsensical

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<v Speaker 1>legal position, but they said that this researcher concluded that

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<v Speaker 1>by the end of the year, regular gas prices could

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<v Speaker 1>jump from four dollars and eighty two cents, which was

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<v Speaker 1>the end of next year. That's that's insanity right there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it is in sanity, especially when if you

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<v Speaker 2>go to Los Angeles, that is like a car city.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't even try to do much in the way

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles, And so it's kind of a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a head scratcher for sure, because you know, this notion

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<v Speaker 2>of fossil fuel being phased out, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen overnight. Even the most optimistic forecast, if you are

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifty. But what we do know is powered by

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<v Speaker 2>the green agenda. In California. There are a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>reports out that talk about how California's electricity rates are

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<v Speaker 2>almost double the rest of the country double second highest

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<v Speaker 2>in the nation, just behind Hawaii, which is a whole

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<v Speaker 2>nother story. But from nineteen to twenty three, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the latest data, if you look at California's three largest

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<v Speaker 2>increased between forty eight and sixty seven percent for electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of that, some of that is caused by the

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<v Speaker 2>wildfires and the fact they have not been upgrading their infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been putting solar panels everywhere, but it doesn't cost less.

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<v Speaker 2>It costs a lot more.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, in those programs wouldn't exist but for subsidies,

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<v Speaker 1>which are nothing more than taking tax dollars and then

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<v Speaker 1>turning them into a subsidy to get people to do

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<v Speaker 1>something that they don't want to do and make giving

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<v Speaker 1>it the appearance that it's actually affordable. It's just this

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<v Speaker 1>circular pleasure fest that goes on with our taxpayer dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad, I'm brod. I'm so glad you mentioned that,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, when you talk to people there, they

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<v Speaker 2>seem to think that subsidies and tax rebates they're free.

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<v Speaker 2>They're free, they don't cost us anything. They don't come

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<v Speaker 2>from anywhere. You know, when you hear the term subsidy, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government is giving you something and that comes

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<v Speaker 2>from each and every one of us. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>could be used to reduce the deficit, could be reused

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<v Speaker 2>to do other things, but now it's there is no

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<v Speaker 2>or I think we'd probably already have one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well one more thing along the lines of what the

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<v Speaker 1>undo California. But I was kind of I view with

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<v Speaker 1>with really some positive perspective and optimism. Two forty six

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<v Speaker 1>resolution to repeal the waiver that the EPA granted California

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<v Speaker 1>for its EV mandate. This just happened last week, so

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<v Speaker 1>pasted with bipartisan support. You had thirty five Democrats joining

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans to repeal the EV mandate. Electric vehicles not

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<v Speaker 1>the popular things that they were really hoping they would be,

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<v Speaker 1>again going back to subsidies. In order to get people

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<v Speaker 1>to buy them, you had to incentifize them with a

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, And you know what's really important about that

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<v Speaker 2>EPA waiver to California was you know, if you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it, it started out as a rational way, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a federal standard for smog and pollution that comes

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<v Speaker 2>out of tail pipe, and if states wanted a higher level,

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<v Speaker 2>they could ask the federal government. Maybe you lived in

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<v Speaker 2>we remember dirty cloudy cities we were younger, and the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government said, okay. The problem is it's a waiver

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<v Speaker 2>which the federal government can grant. It also means the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government can take it away. And what California has

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<v Speaker 2>done is they've gotten their buddies on board. Now there

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<v Speaker 2>are between eleven and thirteen states that follow California's emission standards.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they go to all the auto manufacturers and say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, you might as well make every car

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<v Speaker 2>to our standard. And that means that affects the price

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<v Speaker 2>of the cars that we buy here in the Tri State.

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<v Speaker 2>And California has become the de facto federal regulator for

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<v Speaker 2>car emissions. It's crazy and it's time we pull that back.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, and at least the House and with bipartisans support,

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<v Speaker 1>was able to do that last week. We'll see how

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<v Speaker 1>this advances. Brigham account. It's Hudson dot org. rEFInd the

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<v Speaker 1>Hudson and Stu Briingham. It's always a pleasure talk energy

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<v Speaker 1>policy with you on the program, and I'll look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to doing it again down the road. And hope you

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<v Speaker 1>have a wonderful weekend. My friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, and get people towards Charge Conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'd like to talk about this, I apologize for

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<v Speaker 1>not bringing that up. Yes, the podcast Charged Conversations with

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<v Speaker 1>Brigha McCown. Wherever you find your podcast, you'll find it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I recommend you check that out too, thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>the reminder there, Brigham. Have a great weekend. It's seven

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six fifty five KC the Talk station. Anna Marie Barnett,

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<v Speaker 1>from here in the state of Ohio on Alzheimer's. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a profound connection with that particular nefarious disease.

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<v Speaker 1>But first a word for my good friends at Bud

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert Motors. Picked up my mower just the other day

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<v Speaker 1>and it's getting serviced. I'll be happy to have a

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<v Speaker 1>sharpened blade, oil change fully serviced lawnmower return to me.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to drop it back off to my home

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<v Speaker 1>next week pick up drop off. They service what they sell,

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<v Speaker 1>and in terms of what they sell, own the finest

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<v Speaker 1>lawn equipment out there. This is fifth generation family in

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<v Speaker 1>and operated business. You will work with a Herbert family

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<v Speaker 1>member and they're proud of what they do, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>obviously reputations on the line, which is why one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons why you get such great customer service. They

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<v Speaker 1>help you find the perfect lawn equipment, whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from the deer lineup attractors and utility tractors, even big stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You're out there with a cup of farm you work with.

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<v Speaker 1>But Herbert Motors x Mark Mowers stealing Honda power equipment.

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<v Speaker 1>Got lots of steel power equipment from Bud Herbert, and

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<v Speaker 1>I got my Honda walk behind powered lawnmower from them

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<v Speaker 1>as well. After a terrible box store experience. Don't go

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<v Speaker 1>with the box store. They don't know what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't own the business. But Herbert Motors only sells

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<v Speaker 1>the best. They know everything there is to know about

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<v Speaker 1>what they sell, and again that's superior customer service. I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate you selling telling them, Brian said, Hi, when

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<v Speaker 1>you give them a call, it's five one three, five

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