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Speaker 5: It is Tuesday at nine am, so you know what
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Speaker 4: We catch up with our guy Nick Underhill, New Orleans stuff,
football talk, a little New Orleans Saints, Nicholas. How we
doing this week, sir, doing fantastic. Got spring football starting today? Wadela.
She's Pro day yesterday. We got the draft right around
the corner. So a great time on the sports calendar.
Did you maybe take a look into a couple of
pro days? Feels like some big ones for L s
U Miami, L s U yesterday. Any thoughts about what
happened at those two pro days?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I want to point out a
week ago today you were you were ahead of everybody
by having the starting, the delaying conversation for the for
the Saints. Yeah, and then he goes out there and
he runs like that and all of a sudden, you know,
that's how it goes to or Oh man, now he's
he's top ten for sure, and he's kind of for
in the top ten before.
Speaker 6: But he is.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't think a lot of people expected him
to be able to run like that. You know, they
thought he was fast, they thought he you know, great,
great press coverage corner. I checked him with scouts, you know,
LSU put out four three five. The time around the
league was was four three seven at the lowest, four
three nine at the highest. So like a very very
legit time that they put out there. The second one
was four four four. He really ran that though, And yeah, look,
I think I think, like I think everything you said
was incredibly accurate. And I'm not trying to gash you here,
but like I think it's it's an outstanding.
Speaker 3: Thing for the Saints. Either they want him, somebody.
Speaker 2: Else wants him, they trade for him, or somebody ahead
of the Saints wants him and they take him, and
that means another guy falls down. Like that spot at
eight is starting to look better and better. As you
go through it, like, there's just a handful of guys
that that feel like they're really actually worth that pick,
and I don't think you're gonna feel bad about who
you get.
Speaker 7: Out of there, you know.
Speaker 2: And Miami was the other one that that was a
big one yesterday, Kellen Moore was out there. You know.
I think, all things being equal, if if the Saints
could pick one guy out of the you know, the
top ten prospects for the team, I think it'd be
Ruben Bayin. But I don't think that he's going to
be there for them.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys seen his interview with
Cam Wilt from NFL Network where you can just talk
about like Mike Tyson being undersized and it didn't matter.
Kind of love that, but yeah, man, like it's just,
you know, it just feels like they're they're in a
good spot right now. You've got the team belt kind
of the right way, and it seems like the draft's
gonna fall havotageously for them too.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I feel like the Saints are in a really good spot.
And we talked about it.
Speaker 4: Now Washington is seven because they only have, you know,
pick seven. I think there's seven seventy one and like
one forty six somewhere in that ballpark. And so they
could use some other assets in this draft obviously as
well not having mini picks, and I mean the Saints
and the Marshall and Lattimore deal, that's like one reason.
But the Dolphins have eleven picks, and so like, if
the Dolphins wanted to go from eleven to seven, like
that would make a lot of sense. And the Dolphins
need a corner. But also like if Washington doesn't want
to move, Let's say Jeremiah loves there and Washington could
add a running back even though they've signed you know one,
I had a rookie play okay last year, they still
could go running back. And if that happens, then Nick,
then you're talking about you're in a great spot because
teams nine, ten, eleven, twelve all need a corner. And
if Monster Delaine is the guy that all those teams want, now,
that would be crazy for Mickey to ever trade back,
but he would be in a great position to do so.
Speaker 2: I mean, you do these muck drafts like and now
all of a sudden, like you're sitting there at eight
and there's like five guys, you're like, man, I'd be
cool with you know X, Y Z here. And and
if that's really how you feel and someone wants in
the corner, I mean it is. It is the best
way to do it. I think this year, like you
just have so you have so many places you can
go with it, and if you can pick up like
another second round or somewhere, I mean, all of a sudden,
like you're just you're just building so much better. And
you know, you said it last week, like it's so
deep at edge, like you could trade back get something else.
You pick up an edge in the second, you get
your receiver in the second, and then whatever you're getting
in the first, Like and I think you add three
guys to a team that you know, all of a
sudden like that, there's a lot of building blocks out
on this team. And I think last year when we
were talking about it at this time, it was like
maybe they got fogged up, maybe they got a lot
of a and it didn't feel like there were a
lot of long term building blocks. And you look around now,
like you get Chris on a new deal. Who by
the way, man that Jay said contract. I don't think
anybody was probably happier that when that hit is now
all of a sudden, I don't think it puts him above.
But if you're asking for thirty four million, and now
the ceiling on the position just went up, now you're
you're eight and a half million dollars away from that,
and that just becomes a more realistic number for you.
So I mean, you know that, that's why you always
want to get those things done sooner than later. I mean,
you got him, you got shucked, you got you know, Edwards, Banks, Buaga, mccoye.
If he's healthy, Like offensively.
Speaker 3: You got a lot of guys you can build around.
Speaker 2: Hm another one, like you.
Speaker 3: Got a young, good offense.
Speaker 2: Now defensively, like you got a couple guys like Kate
Ellis is in there. You know, you feel probably pretty
good about kool aid. You get a few more guys
on that side of the ball, but like Shanker's in
there probably, But I mean they got to handle it up.
And you had like three guys in the draft, Like
if you hit on two out of those three as
you straight back and you get you know, three picks
in the first two rounds, I don't know, I feel
like the lane development could be a huge thing to them,
and you know, they could just pick them like and
they could definitely use him. I felt probably better about
Cooley last year than I did about Riley. I feel
okay about both, But I mean, you put him in
that next with the one too. And even if you
know O'Riley isn't your spot player who cares like you
always need that's at that position. So there's a lot
of ways to go with it, man, Like there really is.
Speaker 3: Like I think they're in a great spot.
Speaker 7: Nick, Why wasn't there any more urgency to get the
lave done deal done? I mean this, I guess you
couldn't foresee this type of number happening. One hundred and
twenty million guarantees like forty two or something like that
per year for JSN. They knew, they had to know
something was coming for him, for that player in particular,
that would give a lat of some sort of comp
to go against. Now, certainly he's not the player JSN is,
but he's certainly not seventy five percent of the player
he is, which would be like a little over thirty
million a year. So like, why wasn't there any more
urgency to get this deal done faster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a good question. And yeah, like
obviously he's not going on over it, and obviously you
knew that was in the in the in the lend
and the Kuka ones coming behind it too, so you
know that that one could will probably be market resetting
as well. It's it's, it's it's a good question. Like.
So my read on the whole thing is is that
I think at one point it was kind of kind
of close, you know, I think and I still think
it's probably the parameters of it are probably pretty close.
Like I would assume both sides are probably pretty settled
on a on a year structure and a you know,
average annual value structure, Like I don't think those numbers
are hard to come by, Like you can just kind
of look at it. Hey, Garrett Wilson's at thirty two
point five. Chris is his numbers that feed him everywhere
seventeen game averages are better? Is his overall numbers are better?
You know, And that that kind of flipped back in
Chris's direction. Last year Chris just had the second team
All Pro so and Garrett and Chris both happen to
have the same agent. I believe, so, I mean, you know,
one set to the other, there's no way they're going
to take less, So like thirty two point six would
have to be the floor on this. But then you
look at DK metcalf, He's at thirty three and that's
kind of an old deal and I think Chris has
exceeded him too, So you're probably somewhere on the other
side of thirty three. I think probably all sides can
agree on that pretty easily, and they know where that's
going to go. I think where it gets tricky is
with the guarantees.
Speaker 3: And I do think on the Alat side that.
Speaker 2: There's a a realism about the situation and the risk
and all that stuff. I don't think it's probably unreasonable
from his point of view about, you know, the team
looking for ways to protect itself. But I would imagine
that that's probably a complicated battle that you know, they
probably don't want to be stuck in a place where
if there's another concussion, they're stuck, and I'm assuming Chris
probably wants a certain level of guarantee. I think where
it ends up probably settling somewhere in the middle where
you know, hey, look, you're going to guarantee most of
the first two years, and then if you play seventy
percent of the snatch, the year two, year three becomes guaranteed,
and like probably different threshold through that. But you know,
when it's Drew Rosenhaus and Mickey Loomis and they're both
shrewd negotiators, I mean, that's that thing's gonna grind out,
man like it. And you know, there's probably a lot
of moving pieces here, and Drew's by gotta be you know,
he's got to look out for his guy, but he
also has to you know, be be. You know, there's
precedent for his other clients too that that.
Speaker 3: He's probably battling against.
Speaker 2: And I think it probably becomes a little bit messy
because you know, there.
Speaker 3: Aren't a lot of guys that have had that concussion.
Speaker 2: History, that are that young, that are you know, coming
off of All Pro season, So it's not like you
can even you had an anchor point you're like, well,
they did this, So this is kind of where it's at,
Like you're trying to figure that out. So you know,
I'm guessing that that's you know that there were a
few times already this offseason where where I thought you know,
you know, you kind of start catching them signals, hey
like this is this is starting to move, like it's
getting closer, And a couple of times I thought it
was going to hit kind of early, but I think
it's just some sticking points on on kind of how
the guarantee structure is going to work on that. But
when it comes in, I would, I would, I would,
you know, feel pretty confident that it's going to be
somewhere north of that DK number.
Speaker 4: Catching up with Nick Underhill New one stuff football here
on ot b uh. If we go to the Saints
free agency and there's two guys that have been valuable
to the Saints. Now they're older, Taysom Hill going to
be thirty six and you know, not really knowing what's
going to happen if he's going to play football. But
it's more with Cam Jordan, who's going to be thirty seven,
coming off a very productive year ten and a half
to actually all know that what's the latest you're hearing
with those two free agents? And you know is Taysom
kind of a he's either going to play for the
Saints or he's not gonna play at all.
Speaker 5: And where's Cam Jordan? Right now in his relationship with
a franchise.
Speaker 2: I think those two you got, well, I'll throw Alvin
and there. I think those three guys they're teachers with
the team, are kind of the most interesting thing right now.
I think Tayson for sure is retirement. I mean it's possible,
you know, he can come back, right like, and I'm
reluctant to say this, so, like what would his place
be with the team. I think if he came back,
it would have to be in a basically a league
minimum type role where you're kind of looking at him,
like like how they used Jimmy Graham that year from
the tyard line in and it's like, hey, look, Bason
average two point two yards for Kerry last year he
completed like thirty percent of the stats. He stumbled, like,
I don't know, it was four o'clock times. I don't
love number of carriers. Like, I think it's just kind
of clear where he's at. But I think there's still
value there from you know, those short yardage runs, go
line runs. If he came back, it would have to
be specifically that. I think, Yeah, I think you still
gonna end up retiring. That seems to be where the
wind's blowing on that nothing happened with the uh, the
the contract to let it void. Like I think it's
I think it's just kind of kind of clearly going
going in one direction there so the the other. Like Cam, Yeah,
camp situation is interesting. I didn't I.
Speaker 3: Didn't expect it to go to this song.
Speaker 2: Like I really thought that they settle at a number,
and I think, you know, that kind of signals three
things here, and two of them are good for the Saints,
Like Kim either doesn't have a market or he has
a market and he isn't willing him to go, And
you know, it just kind of seems seems like it's
it's one of those two things, and both those things
playing the Saints favors, so they're just sitting there waiting
for him to, you know, probably take the offer that
that they got on the table. You know, I would
guess the fans are probably around six and a half
and I would guess Dam's probably around ten. And you know,
I think that there's there's some picking points over incentive
laden deals. You know, I think Cam feels like he
he did a favor for the team last year and
out played it and now it's time for them to
do him right, and you know, I think it's just
kind of kind of at that crossroads. But uh, you know,
it's just kind of it feels like it feels like
I don't know, I still think this one probably gets done,
but it's it's weird now. And the longer it goes like,
the more chance is for like you know, hurt feelings
or you know, someone just waking up and be like
a fid I'm gonna go play against them, So I
think anything is possible. That and then the album one
is is incredibly fascinating. You know, the way they did
that contract. It allows it so that they get the
pro ration on the number and they haven't guaranteed any
additional money. There's three million dollars guaranteed. It's it's it's weird.
It's definitely a weird situation right now because it feels
like the team has moved on. I think there their
actions have told you they've moved on. Telling more has
given weird answers about it.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: It is one of those things where you know when
you're you're looking for for signs and signals and you
know it's kind of got your year out there here
on what's going on. I don't know. It kind of
feels like maybe you know, until it just feels like
anything is possible right now, Like I would not be
surprised if if there was a separation. I'm not saying
there's going to be, but I think there's enough signals
here to where you you know, it's kind of one
of those things where you're you're perked up and you're like, wait,
like this this feels like it's going a certain direction
and nobody's saying anything different. So, you know, I think
I think a couple of things could happen there. I think,
you know, you could retire, he could move on, or
I think it becomes back and it have to be
you know, on a paycott, And I honestly think it.
It's like I think Alvin's probably the one that wants
to to keep it more than anybody. So I don't know,
Like it's an interesting situation. It's just it just looks
very weird, Like the signals do it are very weird.
Like the way they did his contract is the same
way they did Marshawn's contract when they started looking to
move on from him, you know, so and everybody else.
It's always just a clean restructure. The money gets guaranteed
and they're on the team and you get that pro
ration that way, like they they deliberately kept their flexibility
open here and and it's just nobody's saying anything about anything.
It's just it's a very it's a very you know,
I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying it's there's
there's curiosities around so around this one a little bit
right now, Nick.
Speaker 7: How much influence on personnel decisions, on the free agent line,
on the on the upcoming draft. How much influence does
Kellen Moore have.
Speaker 2: It's a great question. Yeah, I think he has a lot.
But you know, it kind of feels like it's operating
a little bit differently the last the last last year
in this year. You know, I kind of think that
a lot of the personal decisions were we're driven first
and foremost by the head coach. And I think now
it's more like, here's.
Speaker 3: The things we would like to have, here's the things
we want, These are.
Speaker 2: The guys that fit, here's a list, here's who we'd
like to have go to work. And I think there's
kind of kind of more of that right now that
than there has been the last uh few years. You know,
I think he's still obviously, like very very involved, and
I think I think the front office is more involved,
like in shaping decision than than they have been in
the last few years. So I think that that's definitely
a ship right now. And they got a lot of
guys up there, man like that they've done a they've
done it.
Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting, like they've done a good.
Speaker 2: Job of getting people with experience and people that have
done a good job in the league into that into
that front office. And I think it's one of those
things where you know you're on path what you can
spend on your resources as far as personal brand power,
all that stuff. And you know, I think they they've
they've invested there, like Randy Buehlers you know, in there,
and he's very very involved in what they're doing. And
you know, obviously he was really good at a GM
work with Mickey before, and I think he's been a
great influence on that group. Dimitrov is up there as
a uh, you know, more of a more of a consultant,
not necessarily day to day, but he's he's involved in
the big picture and all that stuff. You know, and
they've just done a good job of bringing these guys
guys back. Dave Ziegler was here last year and then
he's in kind of see now, is uh, I think
an assistant GM.
Speaker 3: There and they're kind of doing the same.
Speaker 2: Thing too, but kind of stacking that brand power and
you know, stuff like gems don't don't get to retreat
like they kind of do their job and then things
that one one or two things go sideways and everything
wells a partner out and that doesn't that doesn't make
them a less capable scout, you know, it doesn't make
their lessons in the league less valuable. So I think,
you know, kind of bringing those guys in and layer
and I think I think, I don't know, like all
we can do is judge last year's results and it's
a small sample, and you know, it could be a
false signal or whatever. But it seems like things are
kind of you know, working well right now, and I
think there has been a little bit of a change there.
Speaker 4: All right there he is Nick Underhill, New Orleans Stuff Football.
Go check out the site. All the latest and greatest
with the New Orleans Saints. Nicholas, we appreciate the time
as always, look forward to our next conversation.
Speaker 6: Enjoy the rest of your.
Speaker 2: Week, sir, Yeah, gentlemen, take it easy, all right.
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different situations, the Cam Jordan situation, the Crystal Lave situation,
what the Saints are going to do in the upcoming draft,
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Speaker 7: Oh Man, I don't even know how to approach this story.
That's what y'all sent in the group text yesterday.
Speaker 6: What I sent? Yeah, do you want to talk about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I do want to talk about it.
Speaker 9: You know, I want to talk about it.
Speaker 8: I don't know you're talking about you can uh intro it?
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 7: So there is a big story making its way across
as socials and I'm not I don't know if I'm exaggerating,
like when we say that this is one of the
more wild sentences ever written in the English language. Twenty
seven year old Dayton Weber, a professional quadruple amputee cornhole player,
is accused of fatally shooting somebody and that's pretty much
the lead end of the story.
Speaker 10: And what, Yeah, this guy's like a quadruple quadruple amputee.
When he was a baby, he got a bacterial infection
and he was actually given like his last rites and everything,
like they thought he was gonna die, but he ended
up getting both his arms and his legs cut off
and he survived. But so this isn't the first time
he's making headlines. He's made history before. He was the
first quadruple amputee to compete in the professional televised American
Cornhole League, So he's pretty much a legend.
Speaker 7: After I saw the story, I feel like I've seen
him clips of him through like Raking.
Speaker 8: Too, Like he's really good at cornhole.
Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, well I don't know because I never really
paid attention to the American Cornhole League before this, but.
Speaker 8: Now he's kind of putting them on the map.
Speaker 10: But yeah, he was arrested on charges facing He's facing
murder charges in connection with the death of his friend
Roderick Wells, and he apparently shot him in the car,
they got an argument in the car, and at around
ten twenty five pm on Sunday, the police recalled in.
He is accused of killing his friend in the car,
this quadruple amputee.
Speaker 9: I I don't I don't think he did it, say.
Speaker 10: One of the reporters asked the I guess the cop
or the sheriff. I guess the Sheriff's department held like
a press conference or something, and they asked, like, was
this gun made like for somebody that was an amputee,
Like you could add special stuff to it for an
amputee to use it, but that the shaff Of department
was like, we don't have an answer to that right now.
Speaker 11: And I know there's been videos going around of like,
remember the guy in the Olympics didn't have any arms,
we shoot in the bow and era with his his.
Speaker 9: Feet and everything.
Speaker 11: Pulling the trigger in the car is gonna be even
harder because like, if you're to range, you can take
your time and do all that.
Speaker 6: I just, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 9: I'm assuming he wasn't driving.
Speaker 7: Tricky situation here, definitely, and it is a headline people
are talking about it. I told me he was the
driver of the car. I'd believe you at this one.
It's our journalistic responsibility to speak about this.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be honest. So I used to know.
Speaker 10: I used to know somebody that didn't have arms, but
they did have legs, and he would drive a car,
but he would drive the car like with his feet,
and he had the brakes like up top, so that
it was like he could break with like you know.
So I'm assuming that there is a way that he
drove off. I don't know, like he does have the
prosthetics on his legs and arms too.
Speaker 6: I guess right, I just but I have seen clips
playing the corner crashing corner.
Speaker 11: I was trying not to laugh, but like a Laundra's
statement was just objectively funny when she was like, yeah,
this isn't the first time he made headlines.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, he he made headlines because he was like
legendary cornhole player.
Speaker 4: Bilbo said, if you're letting your quadruple amputee drive you around,
you're already on borrow.
Speaker 9: Yeah you're asking.
Speaker 6: So I don't think.
Speaker 10: I don't think he was the one driving the car
at the time. I think he was a passenger in
the car. And then after he killed his I get
they're saying that they're friends, but I wouldn't kill my friend,
So I don't know if you can call him a friend.
But he drove off after is how I'm understanding.
Speaker 4: So he was.
Speaker 8: Much arrested as a fugitive.
Speaker 6: It's kind of got a.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: He's like, no, I did that.
Speaker 3: Like him?
Speaker 9: This is him, I believe, actually holding the fire arm.
Speaker 6: That doesn't look like there's like a special attachment on
it either.
Speaker 9: No, but it also doesn't look like he can pull
the trigger.
Speaker 7: But I've seen but I think that they the video
went around socials as well, like him actually firing, like
cocking it, firing it. Okay, mmm, where'd.
Speaker 6: Just see this story?
Speaker 10: I saw it on Twitter and then I did my
research because I felt like I had to for the people.
Speaker 6: What people need to know.
Speaker 7: Anyway, now you're updated on the latest professional corn hole.
Speaker 8: Correct, Dayton Weber takes something.
Speaker 6: It's a very sportsy name, Dayton Weber. Yeah, that is
a good name.
Speaker 5: Feels like he's an SEC Saturday starter.
Speaker 6: He does with a name like that.
Speaker 9: You know, he like transferred from a smaller school.
Speaker 10: So Weber was the one that was driving the car.
Wells was in the front seat passenger.
Speaker 9: I'm not.
Speaker 6: Situation.
Speaker 8: There were other people in the vehicle.
Speaker 10: They started arguing in front of others. Weber allegedly shot
Wells to death and pulled over in the community.
Speaker 5: I feel like this is pretty cut and dry it
So then he asked.
Speaker 10: Wait, he asked the other passengers to help him remove
him from the car. The others refused, got out of
the car and fled the scene, while Weber drove away
with the body.
Speaker 9: Asking for help. Like you guys saw that right?
Speaker 6: Like that?
Speaker 9: Yeah, he had that comment, like you saw what.
Speaker 6: Was the last part?
Speaker 10: He drove away with the body.
Speaker 9: So he was driving.
Speaker 11: Multiple people felt safe enough for him to drive, and
they just casually watched him, like Okay, if he shot
this gun, there's no way he's like quick drawing it, right.
Speaker 9: He kind of got to take your time and do that.
Speaker 7: We speculate all we want. Someone in the chat says,
do they would they officially call that friendly fire?
Speaker 8: Probably? So, yeah, I would say that's friendly fire.
Speaker 6: Fair point Stone Taylor.
Speaker 9: I just just I just have some questions.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of questions answered. I'm sure they will
in the court of wall.
Speaker 9: That you've seen Year one. Anybody ever seen that?
Speaker 11: Jack Black, Michael, Sarah in it, caanaan Abel are in it,
and you know they reenact Caine, you know, killing his
brother Abel.
Speaker 9: And he's like, you gotta saw that riding with self
defense right, like you saw, like you saw. They're like no, no,
like you totally just killed him. He's like, no, no, no, no,
like you saw. It's the only thing I can think of.
Speaker 10: So he plays cornhole quadruple empty tea, by the way,
plays cornhole, drives and can shoot and drive at the
same time.
Speaker 9: Winning and convince his friends to let them show for him,
show for him.
Speaker 6: Are out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the murder thing's not great, but a
lot of odds. Daniel Bastin says, give this guy a hand.
Speaker 10: I don't even want to look at the chat right
now because I know I'm gonna just start laughing my
ass off.
Speaker 5: It's not a good place if you don't want to
say them we just really got it.
Speaker 6: Just a hit and roll, no out.
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this is a slippery slow.
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for slippery slope.
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going to Murphy.
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like this.
Speaker 9: Murphy, Sam and Jody thinks Dayton's guilty.
Speaker 10: I haven't seen any reports of this, but the chat
is informing me that he had a Tesla tracks so
self driving.
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Speaker 8: They did, congratulations.
Speaker 10: I think we just need to talk more about how
we die Easter eggs. Maybe we give Easter egg dying well, you're.
Speaker 9: You're forgetting top five Easter candy.
Speaker 5: Or far or we could be in the sports show category.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't known. I'd rather talk about which pastel
colors are the best for Easter.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I do like the green one. Lavender is great.
Speaker 4: I don't like lavender because goaded like I like L
s U purple. You know, so that's the cate of
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Speaker 6: It is mean. It's a good one too. Yeah, thank
you appreciate that.
Speaker 10: I'm a little worried about dev He didn't answer when
we called him. Yeah, hasn't responded my text.
Speaker 4: He probably watched Raw last night. Got a little crazy. Yeah,
get it happens.
Speaker 6: Been there.
Speaker 4: Do we think that Nick o'derhill thinks that Alave is
gonna get the same contract as Jason are close?
Speaker 8: That would insane if.
Speaker 7: I think, I think what he's saying is that they
he believes are probably asked his side of things and
ask him for like thirty four, which just like that's
gonna be eight and a half million dollars last mon
than the new than Jaysn's contract.
Speaker 6: So it brings more validity to what they're asking, right right,
I mean.
Speaker 4: JSN in three years has three thy five hundred and
fifty one yards. He had six twenty eight, eleven, thirty, seventeen,
ninety three one offensive Player of the Year in the
NFL last year. He has twenty touchdowns and three seasons.
Chris Alave in four seasons has nineteen touchdowns, so one
less touchdown total yards thirty seven to twenty eight, so
he's little on two hundred yards more in one more season,
although he certainly dealt with some injuries through the concussions,
so it's you know, another concern as well. It's not
to say chrysal Lock is not a really, really really
good player. He is, but Jaysn just went offensive player
of the Year in the league.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that asking price for sure, Like, okay, we didn't
we didn't really talk about this. Alec Pierce getting one
hundred and sixteen million dollars. ALVE's got to be happy
about that. Like Ale Pierce had a good season last year.
He's a one thousand yard season a lot.
Speaker 4: I said, three, he's had more Alec peers. To his credit,
he's had more big plays than he receive in the
last three years.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's why he only had like sixty seven catches
last year. Catches are like forty yard But like is
that sustainable too? I guess yeah. The and that's why
I asked him the question I did of like why
was there more urgency? And maybe it was a love
said dragging their feet because they knew that contractor is coming.
We like, Puka is gonna get done, like Nick said,
like Puka's going to set the market.
Speaker 7: He's gonna set So at that point, maybe it was
them dragging their feet right just to have that argument,
But I certainly would have made it a priority to
get that deal done before those two hit the market.
And then the Alec Pierce kind of comes out of
nowhere with that, with that, with those dollars amounts. So
when with this whole one end of the season was
like was came about, I was like, man, you got
to try to get Alva LIKEW seven twenty eight something
like that tops happened. I mean, thirty four is gonna
seem like a bargain now, I mean.
Speaker 9: Nick mentioned DK's at thirty three.
Speaker 11: You look at the deal Alec Pierce had, Like, say
what you want about a love He's getting more and
probably deserves it at this point in his career, more
than they do.
Speaker 7: And you can say whatever you want about like what
you think about him and his stature and like his
skill set that he has. But yeah, you can't argue,
like numbers are numbers, and you can't argue he had
number one receiver numbers and he's a great addition and
did a lot of great things, but he had more
production than DK did by a lot.
Speaker 11: Think about a guy like DK Metcalf like this, this
JSN deal kills the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, first of all,
that you can't sign Pickens. I don't want them to
sign Pickens. Like you're already paying cdee Lamb a lot
of money. He's gonna want more in a few years.
You're gonna pay your wide receiver to thirty five mil.
Speaker 6: I mean, George Pickens had a.
Speaker 9: Great season, I get it, but you can't pay both
Doublem really good.
Speaker 4: Cowboys did a good job of getting under the cap.
I mean they were well over Now they're fourteen and
a half million under the cap. Now you gotta sign
your draft class. That's gonna take from that as well.
Speaker 7: But I mean you could even say Pickets had a
better year than a lave right, Like it looked like
like from the optics, it looked different.
Speaker 5: I mean outside of JSN.
Speaker 6: And Puka.
Speaker 4: Let me see, Yeah, JSN and Pooka and then George
Pickens seventeen ninety three for JSN, seventeen fifteen for Puka,
and then fourteen twenty nine was third for George Pickens.
It was eighth in catches, third in yards, eighth in touchdown,
seventh in yards per catch.
Speaker 7: Hmmm, fascinating contracts. This JSN thing, super fascinating. So didn't
number one receiver and.
Speaker 4: Puka was the same draft And if I'm not mistaken,
Puka has been playing on the fifth round deal his.
Speaker 6: Whole time, right obviously, Yeah, he ill.
Speaker 4: And so we were talking about what thirty five thirty
seven some change for the Pukah's got forty two hundred
in three years, three hundred and thirteen catches in three
years and nineteen touchdowns. Yeah, and he means more to
the RAMS than almost any skill player means to their team,
you know, outside.
Speaker 5: A quarterback taxes though. He's about to set the marker.
Speaker 6: And he should. Yeah, but I didn't know the mark
was going to be that high.
Speaker 4: He might he might actually do it before the season starts,
because you know, hey, guys, I've been playing on a
fifth round deal and y'all have.
Speaker 5: Twenty six million under the cap. I'm gonna need you.
You can holler at me real quick. I've been great.
I've been good. I've never complained about my fifth round deal.
Speaker 7: But a block, I catch, a run, I do, I
do all the things. I'm not like this one trick pony,
and he should set the mark. But who would have
thought that the mark for a top receiver, a number
one receiver on your team, one of the top of
the league is getting paid, you know, middle to high end,
not high end quarterback money, but good mid range quarterback
money per year. This kind of shit like tells you,
you know, in Best GM and Football, John Snyder is
what's the plan there? You know, what's the playing long term?
Can you sustain a complete team.
Speaker 6: That way?
Speaker 7: Anybody can do it? I guess it's gonna be him,
but yeah, I mean it's you set the mark by
that much, you gotta like, how is what? What's your
How are you going to structure the rest of this
roster for the next three years?
Speaker 6: Right? Because you got to always be thinking in advance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to just trust that you've got the
GM to do it.
Speaker 6: And you got same.
Speaker 7: And look at Donald on a friendly contract now, which
I think is like two seven or something like that.
Speaker 4: And again, when you don't have dead money, like you
only have under half a million dollars in debt in
dead money, you still have thirty two million to spend
if you wanted to. Like, they've done such a nice
job of either developing their own guys and then rewarding
them with new contracts or like you said, given low
end free agent deals for the position and hitting on
those as well. It's their scouting department that's done the
job to believe that Sam Donald could be who he
is for sure and some of the other pieces that
they've added along the way.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: This it brings up the question when Donald's contract runs
out with them, what do they do at that point
with him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna I mean Sam still twenty eight twenty nine.
Speaker 7: Certainly its contract now allows them the freedom to do
some of the things they're doing right.
Speaker 6: It does.
Speaker 7: That's a good question brought up in the chat Mitchell.
Who are the top three receivers in the NFL? Hookah, Jamar,
Chase Jamar and Justin Are. I mean, how are you
not going to put jays in in there in the conversation?
It's tough to have the three Jamar, Pookah js N.
Maybe Saint Brown is in that gone raw. I mean,
the way Pickens played, he's stopped. He's gotta be up there.
Sam Donald's still twenty eight. It's crazy playing for twenty
five years.
Speaker 6: Of his life.
Speaker 4: Uh, hopefully Jets can get a quarterback that can throw
a forward pass this year.
Speaker 7: We can see him get back to his ways, So
they do Kyler, see, I think it's gonna do well.
I hope so really, I honestly do. It's not like
just trying. I honestly think you'll probably.
Speaker 5: We know you're not afraid to talk negative about somebody here?
Speaker 6: Who am I talking negative about everybody?
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Uh two to five part of the deal? Okay, sorry,
go ahead.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know what were we talking about
moving time slots?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 10: I honestly like getting the show over with in the
morning and then I have all day to do whatever
I want.
Speaker 6: Yep. Morning radio is definitely more for five years. Yeah,
on a good I know pretty well the difference.
Speaker 10: I leave like two two thirty, But on a good
day I can get out of here at like noon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you got plenty of something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, we're let's I like having my time in between.
Speaker 4: Yeah too, I got tend to two to be able
to like today, I'm able to go to the book
fair with Memphis.
Speaker 6: Here in a little bit.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, let's let's be able to look in the
mirror a little bit like We're not the most sporty
of sports show. We're a sports entertainment show, right. I
think that plays a little bit better in the morning.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it does as well. Is there a
sports ish category? Sports ish? We've got that locked up.
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good about it today.
Speaker 6: We were a good mix. Yeah, we were a good mix.
Speaker 4: I mean we gave contracts and catchers and numbers and
all these things, and broke down a pro day and
also broke down a Cornhill story that was wild and had.
Speaker 6: A twist to it, you know, a murder situation. Yeah.
Coach Molk is going to join us tomorrow.
Speaker 4: By the way, I think it's going to be super
late nine thirty because she's on California time.
Speaker 6: But I think we've got to figure it out. So
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