Speaker 1: Welcome to More Outdoors on News Top five sixty klv I.
Speaker 2: This is Chester Moore.
Speaker 1: You know, I have Paul Fazinski of Aptitude out Doors.
Speaker 1: It's a podcast documentaries, a good friend of mine, and
Speaker 1: we had him on. We just talked about our love
Speaker 1: of the great outdoors and his really intense pursuit of
Speaker 1: fishing in a documentary he did about the North American
Speaker 1: model of conservation. Well, we're currently recording this in Estes Park, Colorado,
Speaker 1: and we're working on a Higher Calling wildlife documentary. But
Speaker 1: we have something that we want to talk about, is
Speaker 1: a documentary that will be out this month, and to
Speaker 1: talk about this, Paul, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Thanks Chester.
Speaker 3: Firstly, thanks for having me out here in Estes Part
Speaker 3: wild absolutely insane. I mean, first thing in the morning,
Speaker 3: we're waking up, there's elk outside the window. Essentially we've
Speaker 3: seen everything from bison, elk, moose twice, big ORNs, big ORNs,
Speaker 3: wild jail and female wild turkey, jim monks, yep, lots
Speaker 3: of birds, lots of birds for out three species of
Speaker 3: trout we've caught. Yeah, it's crazy, it's it's it's a
Speaker 3: wild time out here. This place is unreal Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: my favorite place in the world.
Speaker 1: Incredible, And you know, we're kind of just wrapping up
Speaker 1: a documentary that I was part of, you know, working
Speaker 1: on with you called Flying Upstream, Flying Upstream, and we
Speaker 1: both have gotten really heavily into fly fishing, and we're
Speaker 1: definitely not the normal what people would think of fly
Speaker 1: fisher it is. Yeah, and we decide to do a
Speaker 1: documentary about it.
Speaker 3: So I think maybe I introduced you to the iudea
Speaker 3: of starting to get them filed with fly fishing. It
Speaker 3: was absolutely your fault, Yeah, flaying you and I You
Speaker 3: are one hundred percent responsible for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I we we went.
Speaker 3: And did where we filmed this documentary Flying Upstream. We
Speaker 3: went to Oklahoma previous to going to the hunt Fish
Speaker 3: podcasts of it. So it came down a few days
Speaker 3: early with my friend Seth and you were like, we're
Speaker 3: gonna go to Oklahoma for a few days introduce you
Speaker 3: to trout fishing. So kind of gotta through some connections,
Speaker 3: got a halfway decent fly rod through some friends for
Speaker 3: a decent price, and just spent a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: in my hear casting it trying to figure it out.
Speaker 3: We went out there and that was my first time
Speaker 3: fly fishing, and that was about six months ago. I think, yes,
Speaker 3: that's six months ago. Yeah, and I never caught a
Speaker 3: trout in Oklahoma on the fly rod. We caught many
Speaker 3: trout out here in Estes Park, so finally caught a
Speaker 3: trout on the fly rod.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been a cool introduction.
Speaker 3: But both you and I fly fish for basaton, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and especially our love. We have a similar love of panfish. Yes,
Speaker 3: there's a language barrier, so let's talk about the language food.
Speaker 2: We gill.
Speaker 3: I called them bluegill, so it's a that's I think
Speaker 3: that's just a weird regional southeast Michigan northwest Ohio thing.
Speaker 1: I call them brim or perch. But if I actually
Speaker 1: catch a bluegill, I call it a bluegill.
Speaker 2: So I said this to you earlier in the car.
Speaker 3: It's like when people down south say I need a
Speaker 3: coke and they're like, what kind in the North, Like
Speaker 3: Coca Cola is the only kind of coke up north?
Speaker 3: You say here's a pepsi and I say, no, thank you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: me too, disgusting that swell out of my face. Uh no,
Speaker 3: And so I just haphazardly call everything a bluegill that
Speaker 3: is a sunfish, whereas you guys call them what perch
Speaker 3: or broom perch room. So where I'm from, perch is
Speaker 3: yellow perch, yellow perch only. Yeah, if you say perch,
Speaker 3: that's what people think of, you say perched. Down here,
Speaker 3: it's any sunfish any son, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: even a crop he's called a white perch a lot
Speaker 3: down here. It all makes sense in the scheme of
Speaker 3: things biologically, but no, I call them all bluegill, whether
Speaker 3: it's a readier, whether it's a green sunfish, whether it's.
Speaker 2: Whatever, I call them lugo. Well, why was it important
Speaker 2: for us through this documentary? What do you for you?
Speaker 1: What was like to put all the effort you did
Speaker 1: on the you know, the backhead of all the editing
Speaker 1: and everything.
Speaker 2: What was this important?
Speaker 3: Because the reason that I did and want to fly fish,
Speaker 3: I know, like I was essentially morally opposed to fly
Speaker 3: fishing for a very long time because, uh, people that
Speaker 3: are associated with fly fishing, or we'll just say, aren't
Speaker 3: the people that I like to associate with. They kind
Speaker 3: of have that and this is a broad generalization, but
Speaker 3: they have that elitist mentality sometimes and it's very much
Speaker 3: the kind of like bow hunting has become with like
Speaker 3: if you don't have this rod, Yeah, it's real, and
Speaker 3: that's not every like the average fly fisherman I don't
Speaker 3: think is like that. But there's a lot of that
Speaker 3: I see on social media. I could just be a
Speaker 3: bias on my end, but I just that culture doesn't
Speaker 3: appeal to me. And now that I've fly fished and
Speaker 3: how and you know, you and I both have a
Speaker 3: way of figuring out how to do this stuff affordably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's indefinably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think maybe that's probably the what maybe made
Speaker 1: us decide to go down. The idea of doing the
Speaker 1: documentary was like we've come across this from like the
Speaker 1: blue collar yeah yeah, standpoint, and we can try to
Speaker 1: let people know that like you can have.
Speaker 2: A great time.
Speaker 3: And it's really literally doubled my enjoy with a fishing
Speaker 3: like it totally revolutionized it for me. I'm barely traditional
Speaker 3: fish this summer because once I figured out you could
Speaker 3: catch bass on a fly ride, because traditionally, when you
Speaker 3: think fly fishing, it's always trout. And I kind of
Speaker 3: have fallen into the culture of the Midwest where I'm
Speaker 3: from especially north north east Ohio, specifically the northwest of
Speaker 3: High but northeast Ohio is very much focused around steelhead trout,
Speaker 3: small Mountain. They have a lot of steelhead and trout
Speaker 3: out there, like introduced, but it's a small mouth like
Speaker 3: up in Michigan a little bit maybe an hour hour
Speaker 3: and a half for me, and all through the region
Speaker 3: I live in the Great Lakes is small mouth, and
Speaker 3: that's become kind of something I've been very passionate about.
Speaker 3: And panfish is general, I just love catching them. And
Speaker 3: so it was a weird divide to come here and
Speaker 3: do trout because trout are very delicate to catch.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, it's tough, and it's very much like I'm used
Speaker 3: to doing big long, double hauled cast with a big
Speaker 3: heavy streamer.
Speaker 2: And like an eight weight ride.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so coming out here and do it like
Speaker 3: tossing around a three weight which I usually do for panfish. Fine,
Speaker 3: but I'm still making longer cast. Yeah, I'm casting like
Speaker 3: four feet. Yeah, so I don't need to cast. You
Speaker 3: don't even need to be able to cast to troutfish. No,
Speaker 3: And that's a misconception because I thought you need to
Speaker 3: be this fantastical caster, I'm not.
Speaker 1: No, That's why a lot of these guide services are
Speaker 1: able to take novices out and just show them.
Speaker 2: Like the role casting thing.
Speaker 1: We just basically throw it out a few feet, let
Speaker 1: it go down stream, and put it back where you're
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 3: You know, ninety percent of the trowel we caught, we're
Speaker 3: within arm length and a half of our body reach
Speaker 3: the river today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the idea of us being able to sort
Speaker 1: of fly upstream up current of the you know, the
Speaker 1: mindset that this is some elitist thing, it was really
Speaker 1: the impetus behind it, I believe, and just having fun
Speaker 1: with it as well. And so when people get to
Speaker 1: watch this, we'll be announcing here the next week when
Speaker 1: you can check this out, we're going to be doing
Speaker 1: a lot of fift things on this same premise, involving
Speaker 1: panfish and other things, but with flying upstream in particular.
Speaker 2: One of the neatest things to me was our friend Seth.
Speaker 1: You and with Seth history in this, so we're not
Speaker 1: going to give you all the details on here, but
Speaker 1: he hadn't fished in a very long time really and
Speaker 1: then got into this trip with us and watch the
Speaker 1: journey he took on this trip was really fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Seth. I've known Seth for a few years now,
Speaker 2: probably just a little.
Speaker 3: Longer than I've known you, and he's he's very much
Speaker 3: like a nature guy the sense of he loves wildlife photography,
Speaker 3: he loves being outside, and we'll often just go to
Speaker 3: the park and look at taking photos of stuff, owls,
Speaker 3: whatever's round, you know, because we don't have this crazy
Speaker 3: estis park wildlife where I live.
Speaker 1: I mean, no offense Southeast Times or my show ears,
Speaker 1: but we ain't got this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so well, you know, we'll try and do
Speaker 3: some of the hard stuff. Turkeys, beavers are very hard
Speaker 3: to find where I'm at, so we'll go try and
Speaker 3: photograph beavers, wild, tiny little bird stuff like that. And
Speaker 3: so when I kind of put this idea in his
Speaker 3: head to come and fly fish, he had met you before,
Speaker 3: and he knew the wrecking ball that is Chester Moore
Speaker 3: a little bit from the Hunters podcast summit, and it's
Speaker 3: like he kind of knew what to expect. Because when
Speaker 3: anybody that's never been with Chester Moore on a on
Speaker 3: a multi day experience, it's a wake up go and
Speaker 3: then you fall asleep at some point in the end
Speaker 3: of the day and it's awesome. It's almost ten o'clock
Speaker 3: if we're recording a radio show here while we were together.
Speaker 3: So that tells you we woke up at like six
Speaker 3: thirty and hit the road. Haven't stopped. Yeah, well, well
Speaker 3: yesterday we were like, I figured you're gonna wake up,
Speaker 3: kind of mull around, drink some coffee orherever. Chester opened
Speaker 3: the door for and Elkie's like, we gotta go, and
Speaker 3: that was our wake up. We like, it was like
Speaker 3: a fifteen minute endeavor. I was like, all right in
Speaker 3: the car.
Speaker 1: So but that's also ties into what we did were
Speaker 1: flying up three the documentary is the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: I have a limited budget. You have a limited budget,
Speaker 1: and we also have limited budget of time because our
Speaker 1: families and work, so cramming everything in is just a necessity.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's something that I try and push to
Speaker 3: people too, is like you don't have and that's basically
Speaker 3: what my whole channels about I have to outdoors, is
Speaker 3: like you don't have to go on these big extravaging
Speaker 3: again like adventures. Ironically, we're an access park. Yes, I
Speaker 3: understand the irony in that, but you don't have to
Speaker 3: go on these big extrabbing adventures to have awesome time.
Speaker 3: I mostly fish at a wildlife area across the Turnpike
Speaker 3: from where I live, and I catch panfish pretty much
Speaker 3: at least three days a week. Yeah, I'm about three
Speaker 3: days a week on bath and panfish at home too,
Speaker 3: just ponds around the house and bays and there's I've
Speaker 3: found so many little places that hold a significant number
Speaker 3: of fish just around regionally, like within fifteen twenty minutes
Speaker 3: of my house, that I never would have gone to
Speaker 3: if I wouldn't have just been like, I don't have
Speaker 3: to go to Colorado to catch trout. I don't go
Speaker 3: right in my backyard and have just as much fun,
Speaker 3: be just as frustrated.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more fishing, and we come back on More Outdoors.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to More Outdoors on News Talk five sixty
Speaker 1: k lv I excited to talk about the new Flying
Speaker 1: Upstream project that took us from southern Oklahoma for rainbow
Speaker 1: trout into the Texas hill country for Guadaloupe bass. And
Speaker 1: my friend Paul Paczinski spend just as much money on
Speaker 1: fly stuff because we'll lit up texting each other a
Speaker 1: lot of evenings of the week and you'll send me
Speaker 1: a pichere and I'll shoot one back. And I remember
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago it was like, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: this bear much and pressure is really high, and they're
Speaker 1: coming up and looking at my fly and swimming off.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, it's up here too. But that's part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: And you know, being from Southeast Texas, we have a
Speaker 1: lot of fishing opportunity. I haven't really haven't cracked the
Speaker 1: coat on the saltwater part of the fly fishing thing yet.
Speaker 1: I've done some cast, some speckle trout and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but it's been the Bayou system to private ponds and lakes,
Speaker 1: and I'm having no I don't have.
Speaker 2: As much exact fun as what I caught. You know,
Speaker 2: my peacock bass on the fly as a.
Speaker 1: Dream thing, But in general, I'm out catching these two
Speaker 1: to three pound bass, these you know, hand sized bluegill
Speaker 1: and everything, and I have a giant smile on my face.
Speaker 1: And and I'm a guy who has been to the Amazon,
Speaker 1: and I'm a guy's fish in Spain and caught wells
Speaker 1: catfish and been blessed with all this. But I am
Speaker 1: just as happy out there slugging it out trying to
Speaker 1: catch these fish. And I think that's what fly fishing
Speaker 1: does for me, is it makes every fishing experience more exciting.
Speaker 3: Well, like a prime example of this is when when
Speaker 3: you work in the outdoors industry, you you do have
Speaker 3: to travel quite a bit. I mean, it's just part
Speaker 3: of the job. You can't get around it. And I
Speaker 3: went to an outdoor writers conference last two weeks ago,
Speaker 3: I think in Alabama, and I thought it would be
Speaker 3: like people would be there showing up with fly rides,
Speaker 3: be on the beach. I woke up early every day,
Speaker 3: went out to the beach where the conference started. I
Speaker 3: was the only one out there fishing, and it just
Speaker 3: attracted people.
Speaker 2: And it's like.
Speaker 3: I talked to every guy there who was a fly
Speaker 3: fisherman because they saw me out on the beach in
Speaker 3: the morning fly fishing and they're like, you're that guy
Speaker 3: on the beaches.
Speaker 2: But like it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I was like, if I'm going to go to this
Speaker 3: cool place that I would normally not get to go
Speaker 3: on my own dime, essentially, I'm going to bring my
Speaker 3: fly rod.
Speaker 2: And it was a cheap flyod combo.
Speaker 3: It was a Reddington whatever you can get on Amazon
Speaker 3: for one hundred bucks out of out door kind of deal.
Speaker 2: I threw some saltwater line on it and it went
Speaker 2: out there and I.
Speaker 3: Caught a ton of fish, jack ball, ladyfish, and it's
Speaker 3: like just it's such a it's so accessible. I think
Speaker 3: it's more accessible right now to me than traditional fishing
Speaker 3: because you can carry a.
Speaker 2: Fly out on a plane very easily. Yeah, never had
Speaker 2: a hassle.
Speaker 3: No carrying a full four piece fly rodd in a
Speaker 3: combo kit on the plane. Nobody's ever said a thing
Speaker 3: to me, even on full flights. You can take a
Speaker 3: fly out anywhere with you and just buy the fishing license.
Speaker 3: It's usually thirty bucks. That's what I less than a dinner.
Speaker 3: And also, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you can foldable knit in your you know bag,
Speaker 1: but you can take a fly box and you get
Speaker 1: a full tackle box.
Speaker 2: You can can have fifty lures and a little big box.
Speaker 2: It'll fit in your hand. I've taken up to size
Speaker 2: two flies, which are fairly large.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've never even went yep, never, So that's
Speaker 3: a great thing.
Speaker 2: I do the same thing, and I have a very
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: The inexpensive like forty nine dollars Martin with the Reddington
Speaker 3: reel on it, and.
Speaker 2: You know, it's cheap, it's fun.
Speaker 1: But you know, one of the reasons I talk more
Speaker 1: about it in the last few years on Worrow it
Speaker 1: is only because I do it because when I.
Speaker 3: Do, always have someone to reach out. So, hey, I'm
Speaker 3: thinking about doing that. You know, where would I start.
Speaker 3: I'm like, start with bluegill, Start with any kind of
Speaker 3: any kind of perch, brim, sunfish, panfish is a great
Speaker 3: way to start. And you know, if you're out in
Speaker 3: those areas with those, you're gonna catch bass anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And they fight so hard, Yeah, they fight really hard.
Speaker 2: So that's what I want to talk about now.
Speaker 1: I want to spend some time talking about some of
Speaker 1: the strategies and things that you use when you're fishing
Speaker 1: for bluegill, in particular, so they're not like a fish,
Speaker 1: like a bonefish. It's going to like have some kind
Speaker 1: of very specific thing every day and you have to
Speaker 1: go or whatever. You don't have to make these shoes
Speaker 1: double Haull giant cast. But what if you say, I'm
Speaker 1: definitely want to catch a nice blue bill today, what
Speaker 1: is your setup?
Speaker 3: I would go on Amazon and buy this twenty dollars
Speaker 3: fly box filled with little It's just a variety boxy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that I love about fly
Speaker 3: fishing is the is the mad scientist aspect of it.
Speaker 2: But bluegill aren't picky, like you said.
Speaker 3: You can use anything. You are a big fan of
Speaker 3: the mini poppers. Yeah, I'm not, you know, I'm just
Speaker 3: not a popper guy. But that's the cool thing you
Speaker 3: can you have your I like the little many dry flies. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 3: doesn't really matter what color you'll catch some regardless. I
Speaker 3: think you and I have talked about is do you
Speaker 3: think they tend to hit the red anything with.
Speaker 2: A little red more?
Speaker 3: Yeah, any sort of little tiny bug on that that
Speaker 3: goes top water. Sometimes they like it a little bit underwater.
Speaker 3: And those things are super cheap online. I've went through.
Speaker 3: You and I both went through a whole box of them,
Speaker 3: just breaking off and stuff on, and they wrap themselves
Speaker 3: around the weeds and they'll.
Speaker 2: Wear their weather feathers stuff like that. But but I.
Speaker 3: Prefer most of the time in the summer a top
Speaker 3: water dry fly whatever you want to call it, a
Speaker 3: little bug looking things, hopper maybe a hopper whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the terminology is really annoying.
Speaker 3: If you don't fly fish anything that floats on top
Speaker 3: of the water and it's like a bug, that's what
Speaker 3: you Yeah, that's the way to put it right. And
Speaker 3: and sometimes I like a little something that's a little
Speaker 3: underwater because sometimes they they'll look at the top water,
Speaker 3: they'll nip at it.
Speaker 2: But then we'll commit to it.
Speaker 3: And then most like if they don't do that, I
Speaker 3: go for something or I let the dry fly get
Speaker 3: wet and sink a little bit and almost do like
Speaker 3: a mini like strip it in a little bit, very
Speaker 3: slowly and hit it. But now that we've been trout fishing,
Speaker 3: they have what they call the hopper droppers set up.
Speaker 3: It was a floating fly on top and a little
Speaker 3: weighted fly underneath that you tie off to the hook.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try that because then you're double on your
Speaker 3: chances if they're picky on.
Speaker 2: Either of those, I hit one or the other. No,
Speaker 2: I'm on that too.
Speaker 1: As soon as I get home, and you know, I
Speaker 1: fish the popper stuff from like let's say April into
Speaker 1: about June or for the for the blue bluegills, and
Speaker 1: then I have to switch over to something that sinks
Speaker 1: after that unless we have a good evening bite evening
Speaker 1: by to go back with the popper. But I fish
Speaker 1: like midday morning. I'm gonna find something that sinks really slower,
Speaker 1: is really tiny. Black with red is a great many
Speaker 1: naturalistic color for me. And if you're fishing a clearer water,
Speaker 1: you don't have to have a lot of the fancy
Speaker 1: stuff like we do in the trout shops. I just
Speaker 1: take floral carbon, you know, and tie on. So I
Speaker 1: notice it makes a difference way I use flora carbon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if I bluegill can be very lunge Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they can be very lin shy. I've found so there.
Speaker 3: But it's like they're not a trout. They're not as particular.
Speaker 3: They are hatchable. That's why I would totally start there.
Speaker 3: And then if you figure the blue thing out or
Speaker 3: you get bored with it, which you never will because
Speaker 3: they're super fun, move on to pass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little more challenging.
Speaker 3: But this is I don't know if I should even
Speaker 3: say this because down in town, as you guys have
Speaker 3: that Florida straining and all that. Yeah, when I interviewed
Speaker 3: so biologist Steve bardon On on on my podcast. He
Speaker 3: was on this show as well as well. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: told me that Florida bass can learn lure shade ye,
Speaker 3: so sometimes they're shy to lures with a lot of
Speaker 3: this fly stuff. It's very uncommon, especially by both of
Speaker 3: us in the Midwest and a By not so much
Speaker 3: by me, I guess with the small mountain, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But definitely now by you. Uh.
Speaker 3: The flies are like unknown territory, like they'll be like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is, I onna nail it.
Speaker 2: They can be tiny flat you caught it? What a
Speaker 2: six pound bass on a little mini Yeah. So I
Speaker 2: went with my good friend Brian Johnson. He took me
Speaker 2: on an area I'm gonna call the Winny Flat.
Speaker 1: Because it was really really down low with all of
Speaker 1: the drought, and we were drifting across with a big wheel.
Speaker 1: I looked like I was drifting Biscayne Bay and the
Speaker 1: floors like call the winning flats.
Speaker 2: And I fished my favorite.
Speaker 3: I fished my black with red and it's about an
Speaker 3: inch long, maybe three quarters of an inch, and I
Speaker 3: caught this six pound basketball, biggest on the fly, and
Speaker 3: Brian looked at me because I caught like five bass
Speaker 3: that day. And I caught like maybe maybe a ten bluegill,
Speaker 3: and he said, yeah, you're gonna catch a big fish
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 2: Around these places because they just don't know it.
Speaker 1: They have, you know, they've had every crank bait, every buzzbit,
Speaker 1: every spinner, every kind of worm color you can imagine,
Speaker 1: and here comes this thing with a delicate approach.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, that looks like a real bug. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it looks like a real bug. And so that's a
Speaker 3: fun part of it. Now, let's talk about that whole
Speaker 3: idea of matching the hats. Yeah, you know, when we
Speaker 3: talk about matching the hats, really, even in saltwater fisheries,
Speaker 3: sometimes that might be that the men hate and the
Speaker 3: shad are really small.
Speaker 2: So when they use small shad imitation.
Speaker 1: When you're bass fishing, like, okay, they're on the crawfish,
Speaker 1: but this time you have the crawfish a little more
Speaker 1: brown than a red.
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff. We've been in Estes Park.
Speaker 3: There is nothing yet to match the hatch for more
Speaker 3: than the study trauted.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a it's kind of a pain in the butt,
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: I' mean, you know, I'm just like very much a
Speaker 3: rabbit hole kind of person, not a rabbit trail.
Speaker 2: Kind of first we had this whole rabbit hole. I
Speaker 2: followed the three up for a little bit and then
Speaker 2: it goes you know, a whole all the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, you have to be very particular with trout.
Speaker 3: Like none of us we're catching world class strout. We're
Speaker 3: gonna a little tiny shure out, which is still fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the.
Speaker 3: Exciting part about catching chart is watching them hit the
Speaker 3: you can base see them nail. But yeah, you have
Speaker 3: to this time of the year when the fly shop
Speaker 3: kind of did some intel and they were like, you
Speaker 3: need something.
Speaker 2: Like a hopper. Dropper is what I talked about earlier.
Speaker 3: So we were on the shore fishing today and there
Speaker 3: were grasshoppers jumping everywhere. Literally a hopper a code word
Speaker 3: for a grasshopper. So we're using an imitation of a
Speaker 3: grasshopper floating on top of some grasshopper lands on the water.
Speaker 3: It's gonna float and on the top of the water
Speaker 3: and drift along the current with you're not pulling, You're
Speaker 3: not like you're not reeling it in or and like
Speaker 3: you would like a drank bait. You're just letting it
Speaker 3: float with the speed of the river like it naturally would,
Speaker 3: and then we tied on a midge below that.
Speaker 1: When we come back on More Outdoors, we'll continue epic
Speaker 1: fishing journey. Welcome back to More Outdoors on News Talk
Speaker 1: five sixty k lv I talking about fly fishing for
Speaker 1: everything from rainbow trout to large mouth baths with Paul
Speaker 1: Pazinski and our new documentary Flying Upstream.
Speaker 2: So we tied onto the hook.
Speaker 3: A midge is the tiniest hen lord, you can imagine
Speaker 3: what what's probably an ace of an inch.
Speaker 2: It would it would fit on a dime, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it would it's smaller than that. Yeah, yeah, like it would.
Speaker 3: You could lay it on a dime and it would
Speaker 3: still be be like it's hard to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So midges. I just read this Crazy Trout book
Speaker 2: on the way here on the airplane, and I.
Speaker 3: Was like trying to like crack this code in one
Speaker 3: book with not I mean, it's good to read books
Speaker 3: about fishing, but uh, it was talking about midges, and
Speaker 3: I guess they're one of like the trout's main food sources,
Speaker 3: cause they're just kind of it's just like a variety
Speaker 3: of little tiny microbugs that you never see matching all
Speaker 3: the time, all year long, and they just kind of
Speaker 3: float and bump along the bottom of the river. So
Speaker 3: we were essentially having a grasshopper on the top of
Speaker 3: the water and below that a midge, which is a
Speaker 3: little tiny bug that lives in the water basically all
Speaker 3: year round, bouncing around below it, hanging below it from
Speaker 3: the hook on, and they got to choose which one
Speaker 3: they wanted that day. Yeah, And like I mean, you
Speaker 3: could go down forever, you can pick different colors of midges,
Speaker 3: different bugs of the midge, realm whatever. But essentially, if
Speaker 3: you're in that ballpark, you're gonna probably catch something. But
Speaker 3: that could change in a couple of weeks. That could
Speaker 3: change in a day the grasshoppers die off or they'll
Speaker 3: go into their next phase of life. Now the next
Speaker 3: bug and then that troud are going to eat whatever
Speaker 3: is available and they can be picky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very much.
Speaker 3: If you are into the outdoors and nature, you're kind
Speaker 3: of nerdy like Chester.
Speaker 2: And I are very much into that realm.
Speaker 3: It's a very encompasses like the hole of the outdoors,
Speaker 3: like you see what's around you, fish with that thing,
Speaker 3: imitate that thing, and it's very much so a direct
Speaker 3: connection to that fish because you're reeling in the line
Speaker 3: essentially with your own fingers. Not unreal most of the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking saltwater. Those guys are weird. Whole different
Speaker 3: ball game. It's not like when you go get your
Speaker 3: red fish in the fly.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's not.
Speaker 3: I've never done that, but yeah, it's it's delicate finesse,
Speaker 3: which is not my ballgame.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the whole thing. I am not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a real technical person. I'm not great with knots.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm a bull in a China closet.
Speaker 1: But one thing that is allowed me to be successful
Speaker 1: and everywhere ever when fishing is because I know about
Speaker 1: fish and.
Speaker 2: Water and yeah I have, but no, that's so more important.
Speaker 1: So if I could, if I could ever like get
Speaker 1: is good on the rest of the wh y'all will
Speaker 1: never be.
Speaker 2: It's just not who I am.
Speaker 1: I get proficient enough at that and then I use
Speaker 1: my skills of being able. So I'm saying is if
Speaker 1: you're out there, like, man, I know a lot about fish,
Speaker 1: but I'm not good with all the technical stuff, don't.
Speaker 2: Worry about it. Neither are we.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can do the same thing and all
Speaker 1: of that, and you know what you were talking about
Speaker 1: a while back. Out bow hunting and fly fishing have
Speaker 1: some links, and I could say, you could learn more
Speaker 1: about a white tails behavior in the season of bowl hunting,
Speaker 1: and you can five season a rifle hunting because of
Speaker 1: you have to get so close to him.
Speaker 3: The only I've I've gotten into bow hunting in the
Speaker 3: last five five years, I would say it's.
Speaker 2: Definitely much harder, you know, And then you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not I don't.
Speaker 3: Do I don't like to do things simply just because
Speaker 3: they're hard, like there's a purpose behind it. Sure, a
Speaker 3: bow season is longer, so I wanted to learn how
Speaker 3: to do a bow but the practice is more. If
Speaker 3: you want to if you want to be an ethical
Speaker 3: hunter and actually attempt to kill the deer ethically quickly,
Speaker 3: which I'm very much about, you have to practice.
Speaker 2: You just got to practice, and it's more intensive.
Speaker 3: Like I know, you should go to the range and
Speaker 3: shoot your gun into that stuff too, which is also fun.
Speaker 3: But like being intimate with a deer that anywhere from
Speaker 3: forty to fifteen yards is pretty intense. But you'll watch
Speaker 3: that dear watching it for even sometimes days. I'm watching
Speaker 3: with deer for days, Like the last year I killed,
Speaker 3: I mean I had this hunting area on a draw
Speaker 3: for thirty days and I kill them on day twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So like I was out there watching him a lot,
Speaker 3: and I kind of what the last last chance I had.
Speaker 3: I was on him and it all came together and
Speaker 3: it was awesome. But like it's just so much more Internet.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of how five fishing feels, you know.
Speaker 3: And like I don't have anything against traditional fishing or no,
Speaker 3: I'm going traditional fishing two days after this is recorded.
Speaker 3: And like when you've seen pictures all one audience for
Speaker 3: me with the bone fish and a permit and stuff
Speaker 3: that's traditional gear.
Speaker 2: I'm not there yet.
Speaker 3: I'm being able to go spend half a day in
Speaker 3: Biscayne Bay and catch a bone fish, you know, So
Speaker 3: I did it out of spending give me a seven
Speaker 3: foot you know, crank baits with drank baits. Adelley still
Speaker 3: out there with the best.
Speaker 1: It's not like go way all of a sudden, but
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot more because I'm able to fish.
Speaker 1: All these open up more opportunities are exciting for me
Speaker 1: locally in and around the country, and the four years,
Speaker 1: you know, nine states fly fishing, which is insanity.
Speaker 2: But when I that goes back to the travel.
Speaker 1: When I go travel for doing something like our wild
Speaker 1: wishes or something, I'll have half a day before I
Speaker 1: got a fly out or something I go fishing, you know,
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. But we talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: how we learned a lot from fly fishing. We've also
Speaker 1: talked about how it opens up a lot new to us.
Speaker 3: And you're talking about taking this hopper and midge combo. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the same thing with speckled trout. There
Speaker 3: was a guide named Jim Onunderdog who told me years
Speaker 3: ago he had a lot of clients that were fairly
Speaker 3: beginner saltwater fishermen that were not proficient with a walking
Speaker 3: the dog type and top water.
Speaker 2: So what he would do he would give him a chugger.
Speaker 1: I just see it like a chuck bug, and then
Speaker 1: he would put floral carbon liter and about a foot
Speaker 1: behind it, he would have a soft plastic, light soft
Speaker 1: plastic with a hook in it, and most of the
Speaker 1: time they would get hit, but most of the time
Speaker 1: it was on the trailer.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to take.
Speaker 3: And then I am not a hopper, a popper like
Speaker 3: a bass popper, and I'm gonna rik floor cab hot
Speaker 3: it and put a midge or something back there, and
Speaker 3: I have a feel I'll probably catch some speckled trout
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: That stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fly fishing changes the perspective a lot on traditional
Speaker 3: spin fishing. Yeah, And I think about things from a
Speaker 3: fly perspective when I'm fishing, And sometimes I even get
Speaker 3: wrapped up in what I'm doing and I try and
Speaker 3: cast my rod like like I'm fly fishing. Yeah, my
Speaker 3: crank baits or something, which is not a good cowbo
Speaker 3: let me tell you, but the crank bait thing.
Speaker 2: And like I like fishing with soft plastics.
Speaker 3: I like fishing with crank bas but I just prefer
Speaker 3: soft plastics because there's a lot more feel to it.
Speaker 3: There's a lot more you know, you can feel the
Speaker 3: fish tipping and nip it on it and stuff, and
Speaker 3: it's fun.
Speaker 2: So I was getting no hits a couple like maybe
Speaker 2: a month ago.
Speaker 3: I was fishing on a lake up in Michigan, and
Speaker 3: I was, you know, just do your traditional drag on
Speaker 3: the bottom, maybe do like two or three little tugs
Speaker 3: at a time, just trying to get their attention, maybe
Speaker 3: lifting it up and let it fall with just a
Speaker 3: soft plastic on like a shaky head base bare.
Speaker 2: Whenever you want. And nothing was happening.
Speaker 3: So I cast it out and I just started cranking
Speaker 3: it in like a crankbait, and this.
Speaker 2: Smallmouth just nailed it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, it never occurred to me to
Speaker 3: do that, And I was just like, I'm just gonna strip.
Speaker 2: It basically like I would on a fly whole. And
Speaker 2: it worked. They nailed it.
Speaker 3: And I started doing that. I caught a couple more
Speaker 3: fish that way. They wouldn't touch it on the bottom.
Speaker 3: They didn't want any crank baits, but they wanted a
Speaker 3: worm swimming through the water apparently. So it just just
Speaker 3: makes you think outside the box.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, once again, maybe a fish is seeing
Speaker 1: that worm but never saw it swim to the water
Speaker 1: like that, So that's a different, different approach for him.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that comes from light the idea of watching
Speaker 1: your fly techniques and because you're you know, you're usually
Speaker 1: shooting way out with a big crank bait or something
Speaker 1: and do whatever, and you're maybe pushing mercury or deeper water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fly fishing, you kind of eyeball on everything pretty much,
Speaker 1: so you get more of the visual aspect of it.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is just not limiting like it
Speaker 1: is flying upstream documentary idea is still limit your fishing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh. And there's a lot of like, you know, knuckleheads
Speaker 3: out there that are going, yeah, i'll do it this way,
Speaker 3: it ain't gonna work and all that.
Speaker 2: That's always the voice, you know. I always see those guys.
Speaker 3: They're the ones sitting on the banks not catching anything, yeah,
Speaker 3: because they haven't changed their crank bait in five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think I tell people about watching like
Speaker 1: social media fees, whether you Intagram or TikTok, and this
Speaker 1: guy who's always catching these fish. Some of those people
Speaker 1: are independently wealthy, but all they do is fish. That's
Speaker 1: literally all they're doing. So don't feel bad because you
Speaker 1: and out fly fishing and you didn't catch a seven
Speaker 1: pound brown trout somewhere.
Speaker 2: It's it really is.
Speaker 3: It's it's relative to where you're at a guide, Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure. For sure, it's relative to where you are
Speaker 3: and and be you know, like you know, be the
Speaker 3: guy who goes out there and says, I'm going to
Speaker 3: enjoy this and catch the best representatives best im I
Speaker 3: can catch well.
Speaker 2: And so an example is there's an outfitter a bout me.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say any names like this isn't meant
Speaker 3: to be a bad thing or anything, but their their
Speaker 3: whole Instagram and feet is massive small mouth.
Speaker 2: That's what they're known for.
Speaker 3: And but like if the guides are taking someone out
Speaker 3: five days a week, they're only posting one picture of
Speaker 3: a giant. Like the guy told me, I said, how
Speaker 3: do you catch these big ones? He said, quarters in
Speaker 3: the slot. You have to be out there fishing a lot.
Speaker 3: They're out there five days a week, five maybe possibly
Speaker 3: ten clients if it's too per boked. Ten people casting
Speaker 3: five days a week for eight hours, one of them
Speaker 3: is bound to catch a giant fish. I went out
Speaker 3: with that guide two days or for an eight hour
Speaker 3: day with another guy.
Speaker 2: We call it fifty small mouth on the route in
Speaker 2: one day. But they were all average size.
Speaker 3: So it's not like I just that's such just a
Speaker 3: weird expectation to catch a giant fish. It is like
Speaker 3: the Instagram thing is cool, and I don't have anything
Speaker 3: against people who can catch giant fish.
Speaker 2: That's a skill that's an art form. That's it.
Speaker 3: That's a level of a session that I probably will
Speaker 3: never have, Like that's amazing, and you know, maybe by
Speaker 3: lucky when I will catch giant troups someday. But it's
Speaker 3: just a whole different level of where we're at, and
Speaker 3: like you don't need that expectation now.
Speaker 1: Well, we come back on More Outdoors, we'll talk more
Speaker 1: about fly fishing. Welcome back to More Outdoors on News
Speaker 1: Talk five sixty klv. I follow me at the Chester
Speaker 1: More that's the Chester More on Instagram, Higher Calling wildlfel
Speaker 1: on Facebook, Higher Calling dot Net, the blog of course,
Speaker 1: every issue of Texas Fishing Game and our weekly Fishing
Speaker 1: Game Report email which goes out to like seventy thousand people,
Speaker 1: reaching a lot of people with that one. Excited to
Speaker 1: wrap up our conversation with Paul Fyzinski, my partner in
Speaker 1: the really amazing project. He did the editing and filming
Speaker 1: for and I wrote and narrated and helped start in
Speaker 1: with him flying Upstream. But in the course of this
Speaker 1: we're talking about fishing, fishing access for the average person,
Speaker 1: that fly fishing doesn't have to be something for the
Speaker 1: rich and elite. It can be for everyone have fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the best part us with flying up strings about
Speaker 1: We're gonna put that out on a different social platforms
Speaker 1: and things. But this brings us to something that we're
Speaker 1: gonna do next year that we can't talk a whole
Speaker 1: lot about. Yeah, but we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna do something focused a little bit more on panfish.
Speaker 2: Our mutual passion.
Speaker 3: Our mutual passion for all the panfish out there, sunfish,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: You know, Texas is very biodiverse in that realm. The
Speaker 2: cool thing.
Speaker 3: About Texas is like where I'm up in, it's cool
Speaker 3: to talk about this too, because you and I have
Speaker 3: different perspectives.
Speaker 2: We live in different parts of the country, but we
Speaker 2: talk all the time.
Speaker 3: And so like in the in northern Michigan, our season
Speaker 3: for these fish to grow in warm water is it
Speaker 3: is long. Yeah, I'd have to say there's many trophy
Speaker 3: giant blue yards that caught up in cold water and stuff.
Speaker 2: But like in Texas, your warm season.
Speaker 3: Is pretty much year round to sure live and mostly
Speaker 3: the South Texas, so these fish have an opportunity.
Speaker 2: They might spawn multiple times a year.
Speaker 3: They can get really large, and I'm excited to come
Speaker 3: down and catch massive panfish with you because the picture
Speaker 3: where you're like, this is a good sized panfish, I
Speaker 3: would be like, I would have been like a lifetime
Speaker 3: achievement for me where I live, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's cool to have those perspectives. And that's another
Speaker 3: thing about trophy fish. It's different where you live. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there the sizes vary, like.
Speaker 1: Well, the areas I normally fish in Orange County, some
Speaker 1: private ponds, the local bayous system of Sabine River. I'm
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of over five pound bass, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of like one to three pounders, but I
Speaker 1: got to go somewhere where there were those big bass
Speaker 1: and caught ones. So it's sometimes it's going there. And
Speaker 1: you mentioned like how Texas is all these panfish. We
Speaker 1: have all these reservoirs, We've got private reservoirs, we've got bayous,
Speaker 1: we've got ditch systems, we've got all these different places
Speaker 1: to catch these and a bunch of different you know, species,
Speaker 1: So it'll be fun to go out and try to
Speaker 1: catch representative ones from each each part of the state.
Speaker 1: Like for example, you know, I have a place in
Speaker 1: Orange County where I love catching long years.
Speaker 2: They're so beautiful.
Speaker 1: But you know, we have green sunfish out in the
Speaker 1: Texas Cevil country.
Speaker 2: So you know, those are really cool.
Speaker 3: And then we got things like the Rio grand cyclid
Speaker 3: and all of that, and so those things are great,
Speaker 3: and I've seen a sort of a renaissance in people
Speaker 3: pursuing some of these panfish and things like that. And
Speaker 3: the other part, your favorite part of the pants fish
Speaker 3: may be eating them. I love do I would take
Speaker 3: And this might sound I've caught some of the most
Speaker 3: delectable fish with our friend Derek. We've caught shark, We've
Speaker 3: gone to Kobe, so much good stuff. We're its amber
Speaker 3: jab just delicious. You know, ocean fish. I've't had, you know, swordfish.
Speaker 3: I've had tuna, delicious stuff. Give me fried blue yale
Speaker 3: any day. I think the only thing that I could
Speaker 3: say with top and I'm saying sunfish, sorry southerin folk.
Speaker 2: Sunfish, fried sunfish.
Speaker 3: The only thing I would top that with is fried
Speaker 3: yellow perch from the Great Lakes, not southern perch that
Speaker 3: you call.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the crappie. I haven't tried this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: crappy fall in the sunfish category. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna go with that as my favorite
Speaker 1: of the sunfish in terms of being able to ethos.
Speaker 1: But I've caught one yellow perch up in New York.
Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of guy fishing from a pier
Speaker 1: on Lake Ontario.
Speaker 2: Wasn't big enough to eat, so I'll do him back.
Speaker 2: So I want to go up and catch some of
Speaker 2: those with you sometime and a lot of fun. And
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 1: If you listen to more outdoors, you know it's all
Speaker 1: about fun. It's all about family, and it's about being
Speaker 1: good stores of our resources, and that's what we're promoting.
Speaker 1: We're excited to debut this incredible I think documentary Flying
Speaker 1: Upstream and it's a lot of fun. There's some silly
Speaker 1: stuff on it, but I think you'll smile a lot
Speaker 1: and learn about taking the limits off of fly fishing.
Speaker 1: And we will share out that kind of information on
Speaker 1: various social platforms.
Speaker 2: And but Paul tell us about Aptitude dollar Doors.
Speaker 3: How people connect with you. Yeah, So Apptitude Outdoors is
Speaker 3: a video podcast. It's an audio podcast. You can find
Speaker 3: me on YouTube Aptitude Outdoors. You can find me on Instagram,
Speaker 3: that's where our most active. We have a Facebook page.
Speaker 3: I have a TikTok all that fun stuff, or you
Speaker 3: can listen to the podcast on iTunes, Spotify all that
Speaker 3: fun stuff.
Speaker 2: And we're in a similar vein.
Speaker 3: We talk about conservation, we talk about fishing, hunting, and
Speaker 3: it's more geared towards people who want to learn more,
Speaker 3: and mine's more yeared, long learning with me as I learned,
Speaker 3: because not an expert. You know, I catch a lot
Speaker 3: of fish, I do a lot of stuff I hunt,
Speaker 3: but it's just a continual learning process for me.
Speaker 2: I like trying out fun stuff.
Speaker 1: So well, my mentor as a writer was a late
Speaker 1: great ed holder and he knew a lot of the
Speaker 1: iconic bass fishermen when that bas has really first started
Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies, and someone asked him, ed,
Speaker 1: who's the greatest fish when you ever met? And they're
Speaker 1: expecting him to say Bill Dance or you know Rick
Speaker 1: claud or someone. He said, someone who enjoys fishing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So thanks for being on the show, man, I love it.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: All right, Paul and I recorded that Esta's Park, Colorado
Speaker 1: last week. We're filming a documentary for Higher Calling Wildlife
Speaker 1: about the outreach that we do with young people, mentoring
Speaker 1: young people and inspiring them to get involved in wildlife conservation.
Speaker 1: And we film with one of our wild Wish girls, Juno,
Speaker 1: and a new little boy come into our program named Alex,
Speaker 1: and it was just really heartwarming for me and such
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing and a beautiful place. It's become my
Speaker 1: favorite place in the world. Love going there, and of
Speaker 1: course I love coming back here and being able to
Speaker 1: get in some awesome fishing. I got to fish over
Speaker 1: there with Cagun Paradise Outfitters. I got to do a
Speaker 1: devotional with the Greater Houston Christian Outdoor Fellowship, my friend
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hassel over there and connect with my good friend
Speaker 1: Cage and Phil Bristard and you know his son Kevin.
Speaker 1: Over there runs an incredible outfit and they have a
Speaker 1: great lodge and a great place to fish we call
Speaker 1: Lots of Redfish, had some red Fish. Been a great
Speaker 1: week for.
Speaker 2: My family and my outreach.
Speaker 1: I just want to express my gratitude for all of
Speaker 1: you listeners of this program for so long. Now, so
Speaker 1: many people come up to me, and it's really weird
Speaker 1: to get noticed from my voice, but I do all
Speaker 1: the time now in the store, checking out at Walmart
Speaker 1: or whatever. Thank you for allowing me to do a
Speaker 1: great program. It's always an honor to be here on
Speaker 1: News Talk five sixty KLVI and do something. I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty special bringing you some unique stuff. We've had
Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff in twenty twenty three, some
Speaker 1: fly fishing centric stuff, some really in depth interviews about
Speaker 1: like wildlife dangers, like the ones we have with doctor
Speaker 1: Jack Mayer, and I want to remind you you can
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Speaker 1: years the program. Also, iHeartRadio followed this as a podcast.
Speaker 1: A lot of people tell me I listened to the
Speaker 1: podcast of the program, and that's great too. But the
Speaker 1: time spent in Nessa's Park was really special and with
Speaker 1: those kids, and we got to film what I think
Speaker 1: is some really incredible footage, and you know, being next
Speaker 1: to a little ten year old boy who has mega
Speaker 1: health problems and seeing him watch rutting elk bugle lockantlers
Speaker 1: and hear him do his version of the elk call
Speaker 1: and have a really big bull elk respond to him
Speaker 1: and then another ELK responded to that was a special moment,
Speaker 1: and that becomes something that inspires me to do more
Speaker 1: of what we do. And our mission overall is to
Speaker 1: bring the love of Christ to hurting children through wildlife
Speaker 1: encounters and higher calling. Wildlife is the conservation expedition branch
Speaker 1: of that that's done expeditions so far throughout Texas. We
Speaker 1: done numerous expeditions in Colorado now with then them in Florida,
Speaker 1: doing one soon in Tennessee. Lots of really important aspects
Speaker 1: of what we do. And if you want to help
Speaker 1: us out and go to Kingdom Zoo dot com you
Speaker 1: can donate there and learn more about the program. Also,
Speaker 1: if you know of any kids that we can help.
Speaker 1: If you have a kid that loves wildlife and is
Speaker 1: facing a special challenge in their life, connect with us.
Speaker 1: We love to help them. That is the heart of
Speaker 1: what we do. That is what keeps me motivated and focused.
Speaker 1: I love the wildlife part, I love the fishing part,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be so intense about it if there
Speaker 1: wasn't a way to connect with special young people, ones
Speaker 1: who are facing great trials in life. Some have been
Speaker 1: through Hell on Earth. A couple of times already and
Speaker 1: to take a kid out and let them experience something
Speaker 1: like that, and it's a special thing for me and
Speaker 1: it's the joy of my heart and my family's hard
Speaker 1: to get do this. You can learn more about what
Speaker 1: we do at Highercalling dot net and you can click
Speaker 1: on the Youth Outreach link and see in depth about
Speaker 1: the program a video about what we do. And maybe
Speaker 1: you know a kid that we can help. And I
Speaker 1: appreciate News Top five sixty KLVI for letting me talk
Speaker 1: about this on the air because it helps me reach
Speaker 1: kids that really need a lot of help and I
Speaker 1: really appreciate that. But thank you so much for listening
Speaker 1: to More Outdoors and hope you get to check out
Speaker 1: Flying Upstreet look up after two Outdoors on YouTube. You
Speaker 1: can check that also on my YouTube channel Chester More.
Speaker 1: God bless and I have a great outdoors weekend.