WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.560 Welcome to More Outdoors on News Top five sixty klv I. 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:04.960 This is Chester Moore. 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:08.599 You know, I have Paul Fazinski of Aptitude out Doors. 4 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:13.519 It's a podcast documentaries, a good friend of mine, and 5 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:15.359 we had him on. We just talked about our love 6 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:19.079 of the great outdoors and his really intense pursuit of 7 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:21.359 fishing in a documentary he did about the North American 8 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:25.960 model of conservation. Well, we're currently recording this in Estes Park, Colorado, 9 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.760 and we're working on a Higher Calling wildlife documentary. But 10 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.200 we have something that we want to talk about, is 11 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:36.799 a documentary that will be out this month, and to 12 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:39.640 talk about this, Paul, Welcome to the program. 13 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:40.679 Thanks Chester. 14 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:44.280 Firstly, thanks for having me out here in Estes Part 15 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:48.960 wild absolutely insane. I mean, first thing in the morning, 16 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:52.280 we're waking up, there's elk outside the window. Essentially we've 17 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:59.039 seen everything from bison, elk, moose twice, big ORNs, big ORNs, 18 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:03.799 wild jail and female wild turkey, jim monks, yep, lots 19 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:06.319 of birds, lots of birds for out three species of 20 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:09.599 trout we've caught. Yeah, it's crazy, it's it's it's a 21 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:11.719 wild time out here. This place is unreal Yeah, it's 22 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:12.840 my favorite place in the world. 23 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:17.159 Incredible, And you know, we're kind of just wrapping up 24 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.439 a documentary that I was part of, you know, working 25 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:25.920 on with you called Flying Upstream, Flying Upstream, and we 26 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.480 both have gotten really heavily into fly fishing, and we're 27 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.040 definitely not the normal what people would think of fly 28 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:34.040 fisher it is. Yeah, and we decide to do a 29 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:35.079 documentary about it. 30 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:37.799 So I think maybe I introduced you to the iudea 31 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:39.480 of starting to get them filed with fly fishing. It 32 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:42.640 was absolutely your fault, Yeah, flaying you and I You 33 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:44.159 are one hundred percent responsible for this. 34 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:47.200 Yeah. I we we went. 35 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:50.640 And did where we filmed this documentary Flying Upstream. We 36 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:55.040 went to Oklahoma previous to going to the hunt Fish 37 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.760 podcasts of it. So it came down a few days 38 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.439 early with my friend Seth and you were like, we're 39 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:02.599 gonna go to Oklahoma for a few days introduce you 40 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.280 to trout fishing. So kind of gotta through some connections, 41 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:10.360 got a halfway decent fly rod through some friends for 42 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.960 a decent price, and just spent a couple of weeks 43 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:16.080 in my hear casting it trying to figure it out. 44 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:18.960 We went out there and that was my first time 45 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:23.520 fly fishing, and that was about six months ago. I think, yes, 46 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.439 that's six months ago. Yeah, and I never caught a 47 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:29.080 trout in Oklahoma on the fly rod. We caught many 48 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:32.639 trout out here in Estes Park, so finally caught a 49 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:33.759 trout on the fly rod. 50 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:35.680 But yeah, it's been a cool introduction. 51 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.680 But both you and I fly fish for basaton, Yeah, 52 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:42.520 and especially our love. We have a similar love of panfish. Yes, 53 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:46.000 there's a language barrier, so let's talk about the language food. 54 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:46.199 We gill. 55 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:48.759 I called them bluegill, so it's a that's I think 56 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:52.439 that's just a weird regional southeast Michigan northwest Ohio thing. 57 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.000 I call them brim or perch. But if I actually 58 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.080 catch a bluegill, I call it a bluegill. 59 00:02:57.439 --> 00:02:59.800 So I said this to you earlier in the car. 60 00:02:59.879 --> 00:03:02.120 It's like when people down south say I need a 61 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:05.960 coke and they're like, what kind in the North, Like 62 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.000 Coca Cola is the only kind of coke up north? 63 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:11.759 You say here's a pepsi and I say, no, thank you, Yeah, 64 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:16.000 me too, disgusting that swell out of my face. Uh no, 65 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:19.560 And so I just haphazardly call everything a bluegill that 66 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.199 is a sunfish, whereas you guys call them what perch 67 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.520 or broom perch room. So where I'm from, perch is 68 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:30.319 yellow perch, yellow perch only. Yeah, if you say perch, 69 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.240 that's what people think of, you say perched. Down here, 70 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.080 it's any sunfish any son, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean 71 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:37.120 even a crop he's called a white perch a lot 72 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:40.520 down here. It all makes sense in the scheme of 73 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:44.120 things biologically, but no, I call them all bluegill, whether 74 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.680 it's a readier, whether it's a green sunfish, whether it's. 75 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.680 Whatever, I call them lugo. Well, why was it important 76 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:51.759 for us through this documentary? What do you for you? 77 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.680 What was like to put all the effort you did 78 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:56.159 on the you know, the backhead of all the editing 79 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:56.639 and everything. 80 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:57.840 What was this important? 81 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:02.680 Because the reason that I did and want to fly fish, 82 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:06.560 I know, like I was essentially morally opposed to fly 83 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:11.479 fishing for a very long time because, uh, people that 84 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:15.400 are associated with fly fishing, or we'll just say, aren't 85 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:19.079 the people that I like to associate with. They kind 86 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:21.800 of have that and this is a broad generalization, but 87 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:25.360 they have that elitist mentality sometimes and it's very much 88 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.720 the kind of like bow hunting has become with like 89 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.560 if you don't have this rod, Yeah, it's real, and 90 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.720 that's not every like the average fly fisherman I don't 91 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:35.120 think is like that. But there's a lot of that 92 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:37.360 I see on social media. I could just be a 93 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:40.240 bias on my end, but I just that culture doesn't 94 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.240 appeal to me. And now that I've fly fished and 95 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.360 how and you know, you and I both have a 96 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:48.240 way of figuring out how to do this stuff affordably. 97 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:49.639 Yeah, that's indefinably. 98 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:54.199 Yeah, I think maybe that's probably the what maybe made 99 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:56.199 us decide to go down. The idea of doing the 100 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:00.040 documentary was like we've come across this from like the 101 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.360 blue collar yeah yeah, standpoint, and we can try to 102 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:05.399 let people know that like you can have. 103 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:05.920 A great time. 104 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.879 And it's really literally doubled my enjoy with a fishing 105 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:13.279 like it totally revolutionized it for me. I'm barely traditional 106 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:16.519 fish this summer because once I figured out you could 107 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:19.160 catch bass on a fly ride, because traditionally, when you 108 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:23.399 think fly fishing, it's always trout. And I kind of 109 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:25.800 have fallen into the culture of the Midwest where I'm 110 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:29.600 from especially north north east Ohio, specifically the northwest of 111 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:33.639 High but northeast Ohio is very much focused around steelhead trout, 112 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.720 small Mountain. They have a lot of steelhead and trout 113 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.120 out there, like introduced, but it's a small mouth like 114 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.399 up in Michigan a little bit maybe an hour hour 115 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.199 and a half for me, and all through the region 116 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:45.839 I live in the Great Lakes is small mouth, and 117 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.160 that's become kind of something I've been very passionate about. 118 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:51.319 And panfish is general, I just love catching them. And 119 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.120 so it was a weird divide to come here and 120 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:59.399 do trout because trout are very delicate to catch. 121 00:05:59.560 --> 00:05:59.759 Yeah. 122 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:03.120 Man, it's tough, and it's very much like I'm used 123 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:06.120 to doing big long, double hauled cast with a big 124 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.240 heavy streamer. 125 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:11.560 And like an eight weight ride. 126 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:13.519 Yeah, And so coming out here and do it like 127 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.680 tossing around a three weight which I usually do for panfish. Fine, 128 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.480 but I'm still making longer cast. Yeah, I'm casting like 129 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.160 four feet. Yeah, so I don't need to cast. You 130 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:25.079 don't even need to be able to cast to troutfish. No, 131 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:27.319 And that's a misconception because I thought you need to 132 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:29.279 be this fantastical caster, I'm not. 133 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:32.319 No, That's why a lot of these guide services are 134 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.319 able to take novices out and just show them. 135 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:35.399 Like the role casting thing. 136 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:37.560 We just basically throw it out a few feet, let 137 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.240 it go down stream, and put it back where you're 138 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:39.519 at it. 139 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:41.480 You know, ninety percent of the trowel we caught, we're 140 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.199 within arm length and a half of our body reach 141 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:47.079 the river today. 142 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:49.639 Yeah, So the idea of us being able to sort 143 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.759 of fly upstream up current of the you know, the 144 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:55.839 mindset that this is some elitist thing, it was really 145 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.199 the impetus behind it, I believe, and just having fun 146 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.800 with it as well. And so when people get to 147 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.199 watch this, we'll be announcing here the next week when 148 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:07.439 you can check this out, we're going to be doing 149 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:11.879 a lot of fift things on this same premise, involving 150 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:16.560 panfish and other things, but with flying upstream in particular. 151 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.120 One of the neatest things to me was our friend Seth. 152 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.759 You and with Seth history in this, so we're not 153 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:23.639 going to give you all the details on here, but 154 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.519 he hadn't fished in a very long time really and 155 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.279 then got into this trip with us and watch the 156 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:31.480 journey he took on this trip was really fun. 157 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.439 Yeah, Seth. I've known Seth for a few years now, 158 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:35.560 probably just a little. 159 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:40.120 Longer than I've known you, and he's he's very much 160 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.759 like a nature guy the sense of he loves wildlife photography, 161 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.279 he loves being outside, and we'll often just go to 162 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.959 the park and look at taking photos of stuff, owls, 163 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.560 whatever's round, you know, because we don't have this crazy 164 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:53.519 estis park wildlife where I live. 165 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:56.319 I mean, no offense Southeast Times or my show ears, 166 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:57.160 but we ain't got this. 167 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:59.519 Yeah, and so well, you know, we'll try and do 168 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:01.759 some of the hard stuff. Turkeys, beavers are very hard 169 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:03.120 to find where I'm at, so we'll go try and 170 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:06.839 photograph beavers, wild, tiny little bird stuff like that. And 171 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:09.879 so when I kind of put this idea in his 172 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.519 head to come and fly fish, he had met you before, 173 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.759 and he knew the wrecking ball that is Chester Moore 174 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:19.000 a little bit from the Hunters podcast summit, and it's 175 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:20.879 like he kind of knew what to expect. Because when 176 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.360 anybody that's never been with Chester Moore on a on 177 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:26.720 a multi day experience, it's a wake up go and 178 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.480 then you fall asleep at some point in the end 179 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:30.600 of the day and it's awesome. It's almost ten o'clock 180 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.360 if we're recording a radio show here while we were together. 181 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:35.200 So that tells you we woke up at like six 182 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:38.039 thirty and hit the road. Haven't stopped. Yeah, well, well 183 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:41.720 yesterday we were like, I figured you're gonna wake up, 184 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.320 kind of mull around, drink some coffee orherever. Chester opened 185 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:46.080 the door for and Elkie's like, we gotta go, and 186 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:47.480 that was our wake up. We like, it was like 187 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.480 a fifteen minute endeavor. I was like, all right in 188 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:49.879 the car. 189 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.080 So but that's also ties into what we did were 190 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.120 flying up three the documentary is the fact that you know, 191 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.600 I have a limited budget. You have a limited budget, 192 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:00.399 and we also have limited budget of time because our 193 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:05.320 families and work, so cramming everything in is just a necessity. 194 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.559 Well, and that's something that I try and push to 195 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:11.759 people too, is like you don't have and that's basically 196 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:13.639 what my whole channels about I have to outdoors, is 197 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:15.399 like you don't have to go on these big extravaging 198 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:20.360 again like adventures. Ironically, we're an access park. Yes, I 199 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:21.879 understand the irony in that, but you don't have to 200 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.960 go on these big extrabbing adventures to have awesome time. 201 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:29.960 I mostly fish at a wildlife area across the Turnpike 202 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.639 from where I live, and I catch panfish pretty much 203 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:36.000 at least three days a week. Yeah, I'm about three 204 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:38.480 days a week on bath and panfish at home too, 205 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:41.120 just ponds around the house and bays and there's I've 206 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:44.799 found so many little places that hold a significant number 207 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:48.919 of fish just around regionally, like within fifteen twenty minutes 208 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.639 of my house, that I never would have gone to 209 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:52.559 if I wouldn't have just been like, I don't have 210 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.919 to go to Colorado to catch trout. I don't go 211 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:56.879 right in my backyard and have just as much fun, 212 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:58.240 be just as frustrated. 213 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.240 We'll talk more fishing, and we come back on More Outdoors. 214 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.840 Welcome back to More Outdoors on News Talk five sixty 215 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:08.879 k lv I excited to talk about the new Flying 216 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.720 Upstream project that took us from southern Oklahoma for rainbow 217 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:16.240 trout into the Texas hill country for Guadaloupe bass. And 218 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:19.799 my friend Paul Paczinski spend just as much money on 219 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:21.879 fly stuff because we'll lit up texting each other a 220 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:23.480 lot of evenings of the week and you'll send me 221 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:25.320 a pichere and I'll shoot one back. And I remember 222 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:27.960 a few weeks ago it was like, I'm like, dude, 223 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.039 this bear much and pressure is really high, and they're 224 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:32.200 coming up and looking at my fly and swimming off. 225 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.440 You're like, yeah, it's up here too. But that's part 226 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:34.720 of it. 227 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:37.440 And you know, being from Southeast Texas, we have a 228 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.320 lot of fishing opportunity. I haven't really haven't cracked the 229 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:43.879 coat on the saltwater part of the fly fishing thing yet. 230 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.279 I've done some cast, some speckle trout and stuff like that, 231 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:49.879 but it's been the Bayou system to private ponds and lakes, 232 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.320 and I'm having no I don't have. 233 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.000 As much exact fun as what I caught. You know, 234 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:56.600 my peacock bass on the fly as a. 235 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.720 Dream thing, But in general, I'm out catching these two 236 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:03.000 to three pound bass, these you know, hand sized bluegill 237 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.840 and everything, and I have a giant smile on my face. 238 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:09.120 And and I'm a guy who has been to the Amazon, 239 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.720 and I'm a guy's fish in Spain and caught wells 240 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.519 catfish and been blessed with all this. But I am 241 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:17.600 just as happy out there slugging it out trying to 242 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.120 catch these fish. And I think that's what fly fishing 243 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.120 does for me, is it makes every fishing experience more exciting. 244 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.480 Well, like a prime example of this is when when 245 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:31.600 you work in the outdoors industry, you you do have 246 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.240 to travel quite a bit. I mean, it's just part 247 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.600 of the job. You can't get around it. And I 248 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:38.360 went to an outdoor writers conference last two weeks ago, 249 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:41.240 I think in Alabama, and I thought it would be 250 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.440 like people would be there showing up with fly rides, 251 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:45.840 be on the beach. I woke up early every day, 252 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:47.759 went out to the beach where the conference started. I 253 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:50.720 was the only one out there fishing, and it just 254 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:51.879 attracted people. 255 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:52.440 And it's like. 256 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:55.639 I talked to every guy there who was a fly 257 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:57.879 fisherman because they saw me out on the beach in 258 00:11:57.919 --> 00:11:59.799 the morning fly fishing and they're like, you're that guy 259 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:00.600 on the beaches. 260 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:02.840 But like it wasn't. 261 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:04.759 I was like, if I'm going to go to this 262 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:06.960 cool place that I would normally not get to go 263 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.879 on my own dime, essentially, I'm going to bring my 264 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:10.399 fly rod. 265 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:13.159 And it was a cheap flyod combo. 266 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.039 It was a Reddington whatever you can get on Amazon 267 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:17.799 for one hundred bucks out of out door kind of deal. 268 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.399 I threw some saltwater line on it and it went 269 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:21.679 out there and I. 270 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:26.559 Caught a ton of fish, jack ball, ladyfish, and it's 271 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.679 like just it's such a it's so accessible. I think 272 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:34.039 it's more accessible right now to me than traditional fishing 273 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:35.399 because you can carry a. 274 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:38.200 Fly out on a plane very easily. Yeah, never had 275 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:38.720 a hassle. 276 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.879 No carrying a full four piece fly rodd in a 277 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.440 combo kit on the plane. Nobody's ever said a thing 278 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:46.799 to me, even on full flights. You can take a 279 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.080 fly out anywhere with you and just buy the fishing license. 280 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.559 It's usually thirty bucks. That's what I less than a dinner. 281 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:53.879 And also, you. 282 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:56.120 Know, you can foldable knit in your you know bag, 283 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:58.519 but you can take a fly box and you get 284 00:12:58.519 --> 00:12:59.519 a full tackle box. 285 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:02.759 You can can have fifty lures and a little big box. 286 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:04.799 It'll fit in your hand. I've taken up to size 287 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:06.759 two flies, which are fairly large. 288 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:10.840 Yeah, and they've never even went yep, never, So that's 289 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:11.399 a great thing. 290 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.840 I do the same thing, and I have a very 291 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:14.120 you know. 292 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:17.200 The inexpensive like forty nine dollars Martin with the Reddington 293 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:18.679 reel on it, and. 294 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:21.320 You know, it's cheap, it's fun. 295 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:22.960 But you know, one of the reasons I talk more 296 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:24.759 about it in the last few years on Worrow it 297 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:27.080 is only because I do it because when I. 298 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:28.679 Do, always have someone to reach out. So, hey, I'm 299 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:30.399 thinking about doing that. You know, where would I start. 300 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.480 I'm like, start with bluegill, Start with any kind of 301 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.519 any kind of perch, brim, sunfish, panfish is a great 302 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:38.879 way to start. And you know, if you're out in 303 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:40.879 those areas with those, you're gonna catch bass anyway. 304 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:41.399 Yeah. 305 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.759 And they fight so hard, Yeah, they fight really hard. 306 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:46.320 So that's what I want to talk about now. 307 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:49.120 I want to spend some time talking about some of 308 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:51.320 the strategies and things that you use when you're fishing 309 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:55.399 for bluegill, in particular, so they're not like a fish, 310 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.279 like a bonefish. It's going to like have some kind 311 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.639 of very specific thing every day and you have to 312 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.159 go or whatever. You don't have to make these shoes 313 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:05.759 double Haull giant cast. But what if you say, I'm 314 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:08.000 definitely want to catch a nice blue bill today, what 315 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:09.120 is your setup? 316 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:13.159 I would go on Amazon and buy this twenty dollars 317 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.480 fly box filled with little It's just a variety boxy. 318 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:16.919 Yeah. 319 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:18.679 And one of the things that I love about fly 320 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.480 fishing is the is the mad scientist aspect of it. 321 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:23.919 But bluegill aren't picky, like you said. 322 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:26.720 You can use anything. You are a big fan of 323 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:29.240 the mini poppers. Yeah, I'm not, you know, I'm just 324 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:31.200 not a popper guy. But that's the cool thing you 325 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.559 can you have your I like the little many dry flies. Yeah, honestly, 326 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:39.399 doesn't really matter what color you'll catch some regardless. I 327 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.200 think you and I have talked about is do you 328 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.320 think they tend to hit the red anything with. 329 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:44.360 A little red more? 330 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.919 Yeah, any sort of little tiny bug on that that 331 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:52.320 goes top water. Sometimes they like it a little bit underwater. 332 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.279 And those things are super cheap online. I've went through. 333 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.279 You and I both went through a whole box of them, 334 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:00.679 just breaking off and stuff on, and they wrap themselves 335 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:01.919 around the weeds and they'll. 336 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.759 Wear their weather feathers stuff like that. But but I. 337 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:07.600 Prefer most of the time in the summer a top 338 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.600 water dry fly whatever you want to call it, a 339 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:13.600 little bug looking things, hopper maybe a hopper whatever. 340 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:15.200 Yeah, the terminology is really annoying. 341 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.360 If you don't fly fish anything that floats on top 342 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:19.279 of the water and it's like a bug, that's what 343 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:21.519 you Yeah, that's the way to put it right. And 344 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.919 and sometimes I like a little something that's a little 345 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.879 underwater because sometimes they they'll look at the top water, 346 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:28.519 they'll nip at it. 347 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:29.480 But then we'll commit to it. 348 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:31.960 And then most like if they don't do that, I 349 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:33.799 go for something or I let the dry fly get 350 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.360 wet and sink a little bit and almost do like 351 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.200 a mini like strip it in a little bit, very 352 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:42.799 slowly and hit it. But now that we've been trout fishing, 353 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.360 they have what they call the hopper droppers set up. 354 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.759 It was a floating fly on top and a little 355 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:49.879 weighted fly underneath that you tie off to the hook. 356 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.600 I'm gonna try that because then you're double on your 357 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:54.200 chances if they're picky on. 358 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.240 Either of those, I hit one or the other. No, 359 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:57.120 I'm on that too. 360 00:15:57.159 --> 00:15:59.919 As soon as I get home, and you know, I 361 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:04.279 fish the popper stuff from like let's say April into 362 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.279 about June or for the for the blue bluegills, and 363 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.840 then I have to switch over to something that sinks 364 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:13.200 after that unless we have a good evening bite evening 365 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:14.559 by to go back with the popper. But I fish 366 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:17.600 like midday morning. I'm gonna find something that sinks really slower, 367 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:20.720 is really tiny. Black with red is a great many 368 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:25.519 naturalistic color for me. And if you're fishing a clearer water, 369 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:27.519 you don't have to have a lot of the fancy 370 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:29.440 stuff like we do in the trout shops. I just 371 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:32.080 take floral carbon, you know, and tie on. So I 372 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:34.600 notice it makes a difference way I use flora carbon. 373 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:38.080 Yeah, you know, if I bluegill can be very lunge Yeah, yeah, yeah, 374 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:41.279 they can be very lin shy. I've found so there. 375 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.679 But it's like they're not a trout. They're not as particular. 376 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.039 They are hatchable. That's why I would totally start there. 377 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.320 And then if you figure the blue thing out or 378 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:53.080 you get bored with it, which you never will because 379 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.279 they're super fun, move on to pass. 380 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:56.600 Yeah, a little more challenging. 381 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.120 But this is I don't know if I should even 382 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:00.799 say this because down in town, as you guys have 383 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:04.319 that Florida straining and all that. Yeah, when I interviewed 384 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.880 so biologist Steve bardon On on on my podcast. He 385 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.480 was on this show as well as well. Yeah, he 386 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.359 told me that Florida bass can learn lure shade ye, 387 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.200 so sometimes they're shy to lures with a lot of 388 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:20.559 this fly stuff. It's very uncommon, especially by both of 389 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:22.400 us in the Midwest and a By not so much 390 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.480 by me, I guess with the small mountain, Yeah. 391 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:26.599 But definitely now by you. Uh. 392 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:30.839 The flies are like unknown territory, like they'll be like, 393 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:32.240 I don't know what that is, I onna nail it. 394 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:33.880 They can be tiny flat you caught it? What a 395 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.200 six pound bass on a little mini Yeah. So I 396 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.359 went with my good friend Brian Johnson. He took me 397 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.119 on an area I'm gonna call the Winny Flat. 398 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.839 Because it was really really down low with all of 399 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.680 the drought, and we were drifting across with a big wheel. 400 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:49.160 I looked like I was drifting Biscayne Bay and the 401 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:50.480