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much for joining us for another livestream episode of the show.

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I really appreciate you being here. On May nineteenth of

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twenty twenty four last year, of course, Tonight's guest and

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her husband decided to head out into the woods in

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Claiborne County and Tennessee to see if they couldn't find

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a sas watch. They'd never seen a sasquatch before and

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they're hoping this would be the night to do it.

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So they went out and they tried to spotlight various

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areas in the woods there, hoping for the best. Well,

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what happened was a lot different than what they had

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hoped for. To say the least, I can't do it

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any justice talking about it, So let's bring Tonight's guest

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in here so we can have her do that. Tonight's guest,

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which is tru me and anonymous. Also with that in mind,

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I'm just gonna call her Deborah Tonight Deborah, Welcome to

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the show.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me, Vick.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Thanks for your time, and thanks for

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being here. Deborah, please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm a country girl.

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Speaker 1: I've spent my whole life in southeast Kentucky, Northeast Tennessee.

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I grew up spending many nights coon hunting with my

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walker dogs in bluetick hounds. I'm an avid huntress. I

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squirrel hunt, deer hunt, I fish. I can bring it

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to the boys just as hard as they can bring

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it in.

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Speaker 3: That's just how it was raised. And I love it

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down here in the South. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: That is a beautiful part of the country. It definitely is.

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How much time over the years have you spent in

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the woods there, Deborah, coon hunting, doing other things.

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Speaker 1: Almost my whole life, the better part of at least

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thirty years. Ever, since I was about five or six

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years old. I was just brought up in the mountains

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with guns, fishing, hunting, tracking, you name it, I've did it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a lot of time in the woods.

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Do you still go out into the woods alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, but I'm always carrying my side arm

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with me. I carry my forty five springfield. We do

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have BlackBerry population in the area and quite a large

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cody population, so safety is always paramount.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely is. But how much faith do you

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have in that forty five springfield to protect you from

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what you saw that night?

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Speaker 3: Not much, Not much at all.

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Speaker 2: Yes, could you realize that you had your encounter on

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your husband's birthday weekend in a very rural Please please

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tell us about what you had planned for his birthday

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weekend there in the place where this all happened.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was down a little place called Gap Creek.

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Speaker 1: His birthday was on the fourteenth, so it was a weekend.

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We was off work, and he's a cryptid freak. He's

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always wanted to see sasquatch and I've got an open mind,

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you know, I believe that there are things out there

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that we can't explain.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen one, He's never seen one.

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Speaker 1: So we thought we'd go out his birthday weekend and

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just see if we could see a sasquatch. And boy,

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what we saw was something else or what I saw

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rather with something else entirely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that it was. Unfortunately the dog men you saw

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it looked like one of the most frightening were wolves

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in a horror movie. You said which movie, though, are

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you talking about?

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Speaker 1: It looked a lot like the creature from Bad Moon.

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The same color, similar body shape, The eyes were different.

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The eyes were like big red bicycle reflector beams. But

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it did favor the werewolf and Bad Moon quite a bit,

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Speaker 2: So Wow, of all the were wolves to see, that

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looked like a movie werewolf. That's the worst movie werewolf

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to see in my opinion. That's horrible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has caused some nightmares since the encounter.

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Speaker 1: It was definitely a wake up call for me going

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out into the woods by myself deer hunting and everything,

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a deer hunt with a thirty hot six, But the

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thing I saw, I'm not confident even my thirty hot

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six could take something like that.

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Speaker 2: It's good you realize that. Now that we're on the subject,

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which were wolf movie do you think is the greatest

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Speaker 1: Definitely Bad Moon? Definitely. I make my family watch it

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all the time. They probably hate it at this point,

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was maybe seven or eight, years old. That's been my

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favorite of all time.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Deborah, I need to send you a shirt. You've

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got great taste in We're a Wolf Movies. I'm impressed.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. It's a great movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it really is. Did you know about

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Dogman before you had that encounter? And did the encounter

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wreck your love of the woods?

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Speaker 1: I had heard people talk about things like that, but

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in this area, it's so remote, it's a church going community,

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and anybody who's ever even made a report of seeing

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something like that, they're all labeled just being crazy or

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not right in the mind. So, you know, I just

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chalked it up to figments of people's imagination maybe, And

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it has kind of deterred me from going back to

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that spot. I have been fishing around that area, but

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I haven't went back to that area by myself without

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some kind of firearm. I haven't went back to that

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area exactly in the nighttime since then.

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Speaker 3: I probably won't ever go back there again in the knot.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't say I'll blame you for not going back.

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That's totally understandable. It hasn't been all that long since

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it happened. Again, it was me of last year and

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you're still suffering from nightmares. You already mentioned that just

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a bit ago. What can you tell us about these

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nightmares though?

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Speaker 3: Those red glowing eyes.

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Speaker 1: Just knowing that something like that out there, all the

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times I've been out there by myself for hours on end,

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in the dark, creeping into the early morning hours, it's

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lurking in the back of my mind that that thing

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is out there, and my not mariors revolve around those red.

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Speaker 3: Eyes glaring at me.

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Speaker 1: I've had not mayres about those red eyes looking through

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my window.

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Speaker 3: I live in a.

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Speaker 1: Upstairs duplex, so it's been crazy.

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Speaker 3: Those red eyes haunt me.

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness, it's an upstairs duplex, not a ground level one,

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although big ones. I probably shouldn't see this, but big ones.

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Speaker 1: That's terrible. Oh that sends shivers down my spine. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was reluctant to tell you, but I figure

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fore warned is forearmed, so I thought it probably would

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be best if I'll let you know.

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Speaker 3: I want to say I appreciate that, but it's pretty scary.

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Speaker 2: Oh it is. Yeah, Just imagine somebody sleeping up in

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their bed on the second floor and they've got the

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window open, and here's a newse right there sniffing the window,

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right through the screen. We had a guest on, Carrie,

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I think two weeks ago, and she came on and

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talked about that. But yeah, she's not the only eyewitness

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I've spoken with. You went through that unfortunately, just not good,

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not good at all. From what I understand, your son

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just might have seen the same dog Men that you did.

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Have you told him about dog Men or kept that

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a secret from him.

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Speaker 1: He knows about dog Man. He has access to YouTube

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and stuff. He's seen a lot of the reports, and

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he's very intrigued about what we saw. He's fourteen, he

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just turned fourteen as February, and yeah, he definitely saw something.

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Speaker 3: It gave us a run for our money. Scared us

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to death.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure it did. Yeah, fourteen, it's a pretty

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darn delicate age. So yeah, I think i'd treat that

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with kid gloves too, No pun intended, but I think

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I treat that with kid gloves also if it were me.

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So that's a tough spot to be in, all right, Deborah,

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Please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every

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last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 3: All right. So it was in May.

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Speaker 1: My husband's birthday was May the fourteenth, and we had

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worked that day. I worked twelve hour shifts, so we

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had the weekend off and we wanted to go cryptid

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hunting to see a sidsquatch, a bigfoot.

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Speaker 3: My husband, he's always wanted to see a bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: So we decided that weekend that we were going to

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go out, just me and him, and we had a

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spot lot and everything, and we go out down Gap

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Creek Road and it's a very remote area. It goes

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from a paved road to a gravel road to a

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dirt road right on the banks of the Powell River.

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you're on the dirt road and there are no houses,

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no people, no nothing from miles. And once we hit

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the gravel part of the road, about the second bend

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in the road getting close to the river, right before

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the dirt road, I got this bad feeling and being

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brought up the way I was. I've been, like I said,

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I've been coon hunting a lot with my walker dogs

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and bluetick hounds. I'm not afraid. I never was afraid

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of being out there at not been out there since

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I was a kid, so to be struck by an

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ominous feeling and such anxiety was something new to me.

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to him. I just chalked it up as my mind,

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you know, just a bad feeling. We get around the

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second bend of the gravel road, right before the dirt

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road starts, and that feeling, that ominous feeling, was so

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strong it almost made.

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Speaker 3: Me want to throw up.

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Speaker 1: And again, it was my husband's birthday weekend, so I

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didn't want to ruin the fun. I just stuffed it

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all down and didn't say anything. When we get around

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the second bend in the road, my headlights struck something,

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and he's looking out his side of the window. I'm

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looking out mine, and my headlights hit something. It looks

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like two big red bicycle reflectors looking at me. That's

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what caught my attention, and I'm looking. I'm squinting, trying

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to make out what it is that's given those red

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glowing volbs, and I look and I can see what

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looks like this. It looked like the creature from Bad

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Moon hiding behind a tree and the foliage. It was

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almost hiding its face from me. It actually did hid

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its face from me to the point to where I

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could only see half of one of its red glowing eyes.

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I don't know if it was a full moon or

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close to a full moon, but the moonlight was very bright,

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and I could see the foliage the leaves, and this

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thing was hiding behind a tree, trying to hide its

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face from me behind the foliage, and I could see

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the silvery white hair on its body, but at the

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same time, it almost looked wet, like I could see

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its skin underneath its hair. Its hair was long like

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a German shepherd's hair, but I could see the skin

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underneath it. And this thing was muscular, not like body

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builder muscular, but close like you could tell it was

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built for speed and endurance. I could see the muscles

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of its neck, its upper shoulders, and its upper arm

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underneath the hair. And when I blink my eyes and

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I look back, it's completely gone. So you know, I

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kept this to myself. I didn't want to ruin my

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husband's trip. And we keep going, keep going on down

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until we get to the dirt road right at the

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river bank and we park now right across the river

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from where we were. It's actually a creek that breaks

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where we were from a train trustle. You've got the

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main Pole River in front of us, the train trustle

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going across the river, and a creek that goes up.

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It's actually Gap Creek. And we parked the car and

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my gets out with this spotlight. He's wanting to go

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see what he can see. And I still had this

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ominous bad feeling. It was real strong, real real strong.

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I still felt kind of sick from it. And we

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get out of the car. I'm trying to humor him,

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show him a good time, and we start hearing. At

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first what I thought was somebody coon hunting, and again

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this was in May, so it wasn't the season for

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coon hunting. And I heard what sounded like a big

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old walker dog or bluetick Hount Bay and down hard

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on something. It was like boom, And I was like, hey,

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do you hear that?

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Speaker 3: Do you hear that?

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Speaker 1: And he looks at me and he's like what, And

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I was like listen, and I busted out my phone

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and I caught the tail end of it on my phone,

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and again I hear a big, huge boom, like like

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a houndog being down on a track, but the hounddog

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went from bayand like boom.

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Speaker 3: To the crazy Coodies sound like boom, like Cody's screaming.

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And then that's when I knew it was a huge coyote.

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And then I could hear the rest of the pack

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chiming in, and I had my phone recording it, and I.

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Speaker 1: Was like, this is a huge coyote pack going crazy.

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I was far enough away from the codies to where

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me having my phone out, there's no way they could

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have seen it, seen the light from it.

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Speaker 3: They immediately stopped.

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Speaker 1: So I cut my phone off and I'll wait in silence,

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and then I hear it. There's these big rocks on

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the train, trustle. They're probably ten or twenty pounds a

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piece of giant rocks. I start hearing those rocks whizzing

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all over the place, hitting the ground, and then the

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coyote pack goes crazy, like absolutely crazy squill and hauler

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and like they're super excited or scared.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: I can hear their feet hitting the ground running. I

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don't know if they're running after something or running from something,

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but it scared me enough to where I looked at him.

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I was like, I'm not doing this. I get in

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the car and open up the door. He's already far

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enough out in front of the car to where I

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can't get his attention anymore. And I load up my

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forty five and I just sit there. I close the

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door with my forty five loaded ready to go. I

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crack the windows because in my mind, I'm thinking, well,

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if they get close enough, I'm going to fire off

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a few warning shots and they'll run off. That didn't happen.

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He comes back. He says he didn't see anything. We

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call it a knot. I'm like, I don't feel good.

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I got a bad feeling. I feel like we need

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to leave. And I start telling him, you know about

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how codies Carrie Raby's, and they're dangerous. My husband, he's

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from the city, you know, he's not as familiar with

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things like that as I am. So we get back

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in the car and we go home. Well, a couple

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of weeks, maybe a month later, me and him and

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my son, who was thirteen at the time, we go

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out spotlighting in the same area. The area where we

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parked is off to the right and the area where

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we took my son. It's a fork in the road.

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It goes off to the right way on down along

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the river, along the Powell River. So we take my

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son and we're going. My son's actually sitting out the

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back window of the suv propped up on it, spotlighting

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out into the field, the river bank, the mountains, just

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to see what we can see. And my son said,

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he just screams out, stop, mom, stop, I see something.

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I see something. And I was like, what did you see?

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What did you see? He's like, stop, put it in,

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back it up, on, back it up. So there's this

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little turnaround spot right by the river. Back the suv

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up in that turnaround spot and we turn around to

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where it's on my side of the window. Keep in

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mind he's setting on the back window hanging out of

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the car. He shines the spotlight out and we see

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these yallow, huge glowing eyes looking at us. And at first,

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the first thing in my mind was maybe this is

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a deer. Maybe it's a deer or something looking at us.

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But the longer I watched it, it was sentient, like

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it was blinking, it was watching every move we made.

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I get the car, I put it in drive. We're

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creeping real slow and it's following every move that we make.

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I pull my phone out, I snap a few pictures

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of it, and you know, we go on. Me and

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my son were gauging elbow and each other talking about

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how we saw something, and my husband he was like, yeah,

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that's weird.

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Speaker 3: So we go on home.

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Speaker 1: About a week later, it was actually the following weekend,

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we come back to that area in the daylight. Okay,

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this thing that we saw, the eyes that we saw.

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Now I was able to navigate to the exact spot

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where we saw it, and I use the turnaround point

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as my area of mapping. Like the picture I took

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on my phone, there was weeds in a tree and

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stuff I could see in the picture. This thing with

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those yellow, huge eyes was actually standing on the river

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bank about its feet would have had to have been

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two or three feet down, so that tells me it

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was at least six feet tall whatever it was. So

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that totally eliminates a deer or any the natural wildlife

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that we have around here. And that also brings me

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to my second point. A couple of weeks after I

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saw the thing with the red eyes, went back out

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in the daylight. We actually went up, me and my

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son to the point where I seen that thing, and

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we measured up in the tree in the foliage where

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I seen them red eyes. That thing was about nine

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and a half feet tall, whatever it was, So it

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definitely shook me to my core. Spending my entire life

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out in these woods hunting, deer, hunting, fishing, not time daytime.

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It scared me to death. And that's my tail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why it did. Frighten it to death. Yeah,

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it's hard to stomach something like that. Your husband was

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right there with you when you saw that dog, mean

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that night, did you think about trying to draw that

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dog me into his attention or did it all happen

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so fast that your mind was spinning.

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Speaker 1: Basically, happened so fast my mom was spinning. And I

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really like the feeling I got from it. It made

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me sick to my stomach, like it made me so anxious,

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I got sick. And I'm not a person that gets

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so anxious that they get sick like that never happens

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to me. So I just chalked it up as my

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mom playing tricks on me, and I didn't want to

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ruin his you know, his birthday weekend, So I didn't

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tell him anything about it because if he knew how

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it felt, and if he knew that I was about

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to get sick, he would have wanted to immediately go

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back home and see what was wrong with me. So

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I just I kept going. I tried to soldier through.

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But after hearing them codies and everything, I'm kind of

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glad we didn't stick around longer than we did.

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Speaker 2: No, I can understand that now. I know you didn't

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tell him that weekend because you're afraid of ruining his

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birthday week? But did you ever tell them?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have, since it was actually just a couple

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of days ago. I told him, and he was kind

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of in disbelief. His point of mind was, what, You've

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been there so many times, and I've been there so

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many times. If something like that was out there, I

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would have seen it because I wanted to see it.

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And I'm thinking, well, I didn't want to see it,

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and I saw it, So I can't explain to you

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why I saw it.

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Speaker 2: It seems like there are two types of people. You've

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got one crowd who just wants to know what's out there,

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even if it freaks them. Out They just want to

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know so they can take the appropriate action. Other people

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they don't want to know, even if it's out there.

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They just they think what you don't know can't hurt you.

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Which camp are you in?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would be in the camp of I would

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want to know so I could be prepared for it.

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But ever since I seen it, I would honestly place

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myself in the camp of I don't want to know.

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I would much rather not know and not have seen

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what I saw, because, like I said, it definitely has

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deterred me from hunting and fishing in that area and

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a really good spot. But I'm terrified to go back there.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I get it. I understand why, And there

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are definitely meriats to both sides. If you don't know

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what's out there, hopefully you won't have any trouble with it.

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So sometimes ignorance is bliss. But on the other hand,

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there's that possibility. You never know, a doggedman might have

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gotten up on the wrong side of the log and

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he might be looking for trouble on any given day.

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It's unlikely, but it happens. So there's mirroat to the

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other side too. But I was just wondering which side

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you you stood on that. I'm wondering, though, Have there

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been times, Deborah, when your husband wanted to go back

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out looking for sasquatch but you refuse to go?

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Speaker 3: Yes, definitely.

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Speaker 1: He's actually asked multiple times since then, he's actually wanted

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to go back out and try to see the dog

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man and it's oz and I have flat out refused

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to go. It scared me that bad. I don't want

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to go back out there.

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Speaker 2: Now, I get it. I totally understand. Do you think, though,

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that someday down the road you might flip things and

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decide to go out there and try to spotlight dog

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men just to try to get more comfort? And I

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can't really say familiarity with these guys, but the more

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you know about what you fear, the easer it is

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to think about them to be around them. Does that

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hold true with you? Or are you totally hands off?

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You don't want anything to do with a dog man

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from no one out?

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Speaker 1: I really would not rather see that ever again, honestly,

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But not mayors that I've had about the red eyes

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looking in my windows, I would rather never see it again, honestly.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. Everyone's different, so you never know what's

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going to be the best medicine for one person compared

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to the next. In your dream, though, when those eyes

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look in your bedroom window, is there ever any communication?

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Do they ever talk with you? No?

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Speaker 3: Not yet.

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Speaker 1: It's just been Uh, it's always led on by that

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bad feeling, that terrible anxiety and the nausea, and that

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feeling of being.

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Speaker 3: Mortified and helpless.

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Speaker 1: And then I know that something's going to be at

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the window when I look out of it, but I

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do anyways, and I see those red eyes and it's

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it's terrible. It's just terrible, Like I'll wake up and sweat.

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I've woke up screaming. It's not good.

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Speaker 2: No, that's not good at all. The part of your

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brain that controls your ability to rationalize things, to reason,

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that switches off when you're asleep. That's why when you

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wake up from a stupid nightmare or a crazy dream,

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you say, what in the world was that all about?

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I was running from a giant banana or something silly

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like that. Well, you can only do so much to

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control those and deal with those dreams outside of learning

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how to lucid dream that is. But yeah, I mean

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there's one thing. It's one thing if you're having a

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lot of trouble dealing with your encounters when you're asleep

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in the form of nightmares, but you're okay when you're awake.

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But when you're having trouble both ways, both when you're

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awaken when you're asleep, that's totally different. The fact that

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you're still heading back into the woods. You don't have

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a lot of comfort there going back into the woods.

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Obviously not in the same place where you had that encounter,

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but you are going back into the woods. You told

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me what two days ago that you still deer hunt,

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and that's obviously by yourself. So you're doing well. If

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you can do that, then you are dealing with this,

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which that's great. But do you ever see a time

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down the road where you can just go out into

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the woods and just not be compromised whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: Maybe someday in the future.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't want to say, nevor, I try not

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to say Nevor, but maybe one day in the future.

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There was a time when I was deer hunting close

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to that area. It was actually this past year season

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I wentn't in that exact area. Like I said, I

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haven't went back there by myself, but I was close

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and I go out into this open field and I

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just I smell old. What smell. I don't know how

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many of the viewers are competent with the smell of

475
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:14,720
like a slaughterhouse, like fresh open deer entrails, or like

476
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:16,839
a cow that's just been slaughtered or a goat. But

477
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,079
I was out in the field making my way to

478
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:24,880
my blind and it just hit me the smell of

479
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,519
fresh open entrails, like a deer had just been gutted,

480
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,519
right in front of me. And I'm looking all over

481
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:36,920
the place. I can't see anything. There's no blood, there's

482
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,279
nothing like there's nothing that should have made that smell happen.

483
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: The wildlife everything.

484
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: The birds were chirping, and I got that feeling of

485
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,119
anxiety again, and I just I took my gun, I

486
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,680
put it on my shoulder and I backed out.

487
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: That was a bit much for me.

488
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,519
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was. And not to freak you out.

489
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,519
We don't know after all that it was a dog

490
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,640
man that you were smelling, but understand that that's a

491
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,599
commonly reported smell that eyewitnesses report smelling when they're in

492
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,519
the presence of a dog man, So there's every possibility

493
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:16,359
that you had one close to you, way too close

494
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,160
for comfort, I'd say, if you could smell that.

495
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was unsettling enough to where I backed out.

496
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,480
I left my blonde. There was a lot of supplies

497
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,240
and am in my blond. I just left it. It's

498
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,559
still sitting there to this day.

499
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you did that. Yeah, you definitely weren't

500
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,920
in any position to have another encounter that soon after

501
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,480
having the first one or the second one. Yeah, that's

502
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,599
a really good move. I'm glad you did that. You

503
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,559
told us that you started to feel bad not too

504
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,079
long after you realized that the dog man was there.

505
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,960
But how long did it take you for that nausea

506
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,079
to go away? Was it not until you woke up

507
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,759
the next day after a full sleep cycle, or later

508
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:02,559
on in the evening. Well, I guess this all happened

509
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,480
really early in the morning. But just a matter of

510
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,279
hours later did you start feeling better? How long did

511
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:08,920
it take you?

512
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: It was about four hours after I had got home.

513
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,160
I ate some saltine crackers. I actually had to take

514
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,240
a couple shots of bourbon to calm myself down, and

515
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:27,640
it gradually faded it's about four hours after it started,

516
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,119
after I'd got home, so I guess from the time

517
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,319
it started to the time I got home is about

518
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:34,839
six and a half hours.

519
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, if that's the case, if you didn't have

520
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:40,920
to sleep to make that nausea go away, then I

521
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,359
don't think it was infrasound. I do believe these guys

522
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,680
can emit infrasound, and if they do, that's definitely got

523
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,839
the potential to cause nausea. But normally a sleep cycle,

524
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,039
from what I understand, is required to get you to

525
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,079
start feeling better and recover from the nausea if you

526
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,359
are hit with infras So apparently it was something else

527
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:04,640
that caused that nausea to come along. I don't know

528
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,519
if it was just the fright or what, but something

529
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,119
else apparently caused it. Just something to keep in.

530
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: Mind, Oh yeah, it was, I think I don't know.

531
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,039
I think it was like a sixth sense, just something

532
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:27,319
telling me something's not rot be on all points to

533
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,160
have my ears pricked up and my eyes open. It

534
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,759
It's just maybe it's where I've been raised in the woods,

535
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:37,559
hunting and tracking animals. Is something in my body just

536
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:42,359
told me, Hey, something's not right, This isn't good, be Leary,

537
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,400
And I was, and I'm glad I was. But that's

538
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:49,400
that's a feeling I will never forget.

539
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,839
Speaker 2: Vic Well, I'm sure. Yeah, I don't doubt that at all,

540
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,480
and I've said it a thousand times before. I'm so

541
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,519
glad you listened to your inner voice. It's always best

542
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,599
to listen to your sin. If you get that feeling

543
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,519
like it's time to get out of dodge, please do

544
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:08,000
don't ignore it. If you didn't tell your son what

545
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:10,200
the eyes might have belonged to you that night when

546
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,720
it lit up those eyes with the spotlight, Deborah, did

547
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:18,960
he brush off seeing those out there? Or was he

548
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000
freaked out for some time after he saw those eyes

549
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:22,880
in the spotlight.

550
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: He was definitely freaked out for some time. He actually

551
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:33,640
started researching animal eyeshine. Like I said earlier, we have

552
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,920
a black bear population here, but you know their eyes

553
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,720
are more like a reddish orange. He started researching all

554
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:50,880
different types of animals eyeshine, and he actually couldn't figure

555
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:56,480
out what it was those yellow eyes. They like the

556
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,960
pictures I sent you, you can see it's too big

557
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,920
to be a deer. That's something that he's held onto

558
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,279
quite totly since then.

559
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 3: It definitely shook him a little bit.

560
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,519
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I can understand why, especially being

561
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:16,960
as young as he is, and with that in mind,

562
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,760
I know you still do. But do you let him

563
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,000
go back into the woods alone or have you put

564
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:22,679
a stop to that.

565
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: I will not let him or his sister going into

566
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:33,880
that part of the woods alone period. I don't let

567
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,159
my husband go there alone, period. And I don't go

568
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,199
back to that spot alone period. I've been deer hunting.

569
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,280
It was probably within two miles of that area. That's

570
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,840
where I smelled that smell and got that bad feeling again.

571
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,760
But yeah, I haven't let anybody in my family go

572
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,119
back there alone.

573
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you did, you'd be a nervous wreck, poor thing. Definitely, Yeah,

574
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,079
I bet you would be. Yeah, that's understandable. You told

575
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,840
him about dog men later on, but to try and

576
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,559
educate them on these guys. Do you ever watch documentaries

577
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,920
about them or shows or listen to podcasts?

578
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: Yes.

579
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for my son, the first thing that he found

580
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:30,840
was the beast from Land between the Lakes. I think

581
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,559
it's up in Kentucky. It's a little ways from us,

582
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:38,000
and it freaked them out pretty good. The legends and

583
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:44,360
the tales from that and the family having all those issues,

584
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,000
those people getting killed that scared him pretty bad, and

585
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:51,360
I think after that he kind of just started to

586
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:58,320
block it out. I'm really lost as what to do

587
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,719
for him on that since he found those things.

588
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: Hmm, yeah, I wish you wouldn't have found those that's

589
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,320
way too much weight on young back. Yeah, that's not

590
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,320
the kind of thing you want a kid like that

591
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:15,280
to find out about when he's just getting his feet

592
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,559
wet and the whole dog mea phenomenon. If you'd like

593
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:20,760
for me to talk with him, if you'd like to

594
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,559
have me call so the three of us could have

595
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:24,920
a good conversation about all of this and time, then

596
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,679
by all means, please let me know. I'd love to

597
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:28,800
do that to try to help.

598
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,119
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

599
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: Maybe that would help him with what he's saying, because,

600
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,199
like I said, the things that he pulled up, they

601
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,800
were pretty fear and tossing.

602
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can only imagine the things that have been

603
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:51,400
going through his head. That's not good. And also another

604
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,599
thing you might want to caution him on because he

605
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,920
is fourteen after all, he's got the bill Ladida consume

606
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,599
whatever he wants on YouTube and podcast or man cautioning

607
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,039
him to be very careful about what info he believes

608
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,639
about dog men that he hears in any of these

609
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,000
podcasts and any of these shoes, because there's a lot

610
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:14,079
of bad info floating around about these guys, and if

611
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,360
he gets ahold of the wrong info, that could do

612
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,159
a lot of harm instead of good.

613
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've pretty much told him all the years

614
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,480
I've spent out in the woods deer hunting, coon hunting, fishing,

615
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:33,239
that if something like that wanted to slaughter people and

616
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,440
was just a mindless killer, that I would have been

617
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:38,440
up there on the list.

618
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't be here.

619
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,679
Speaker 1: As scary as it is, and it as nauseous as

620
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,199
it made me feel, I have told him, you know

621
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,559
that it's there are things out there that we can't explain.

622
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,039
To have an open mind, and you know, there's new

623
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,559
discoveries being made every day. He's got a very scientific mind.

624
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,360
He's a very intuitive child. And I've told him, you know,

625
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,559
not everything you see on the internet is true, and

626
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,800
I think he knows that. But that was the first

627
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,880
thing that he found when he looked up glowing eyes.

628
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,239
So it was kind of disheartening, But I am glad

629
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:27,000
as his mother that he has a respect and a

630
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:32,079
fear of predators out there, because you know, from black

631
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:37,239
bears to coyotes to dog man there are things out

632
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,840
there that are bigger and badder than we are, and

633
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,119
they need to be respected.

634
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,119
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely they do. You don't have any mountain lions out.

635
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: There, do you, Yes, we do. They are.

636
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: Actually there's a population of them behind us in the mountain.

637
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,679
It's called Tacket Creek. It's a long mountain. It's actually

638
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,000
part of our backyard. It's the Appalachian Mountains, and there

639
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:10,719
is a population of red wolves that were turned loose

640
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:16,079
up there as a project by the TWR and Mountain Lions.

641
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,719
They also had some bald eagle populations that are thriving

642
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,199
now we see them all the time.

643
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: Down by the river, it's beautiful. There's so much wildlife

644
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:27,000
down here.

645
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it sounds like you collect the whole set.

646
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,880
What don't you have running around there as far as

647
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:33,760
predators go.

648
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely a beautiful place. And down by

649
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,559
the river it's really untouched by man. I hope it

650
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,960
stays that way for generations to come well.

651
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,519
Speaker 2: And no wonder you have so many of them around.

652
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,519
Is that area where you had that dog men siting?

653
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,760
Is it noon for sasquatch encounters?

654
00:39:56,119 --> 00:40:02,159
Speaker 1: There are people generations before me who have reported seeing

655
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,320
what we call down here wood boogers. But like I said,

656
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,079
the people who say that they've seen or heard wood boogers,

657
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,920
you know, people say that they're crazier or that they're demons.

658
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,400
Like I said, this is a big church going community.

659
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,880
It's a small rural town, and you know, things like that,

660
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,559
they're just they're really frowned on. And people who report

661
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,039
seeing things like that, they're just looked down on. And

662
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:39,679
it makes me sad seeing what I've seen and knowing

663
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,079
what I know now, it makes me sad for those people.

664
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,039
Speaker 2: Oh definitely. What really gets me is when a dog

665
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:53,400
man eyewitness reaches out to a Sasquatch researcher, and the

666
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,480
Sasquatch researcher comes out to the area where they have

667
00:40:56,559 --> 00:41:01,480
their sighting, and eyewitness explains everything about what happened, and

668
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,800
at the end of the day, the Sasquatch researcher tries

669
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,480
to convince them No, it's a sasquatch that you saw.

670
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,639
There's no such thing as dog men. It really gets me.

671
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,679
There's some well known Sasquatch researchers who've done that. Eyewitnesses

672
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:18,039
have told me about what they've done, and shame on them.

673
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,800
That's not going to help anything. It really isn't. But

674
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,960
what really gets me even more so than that, are

675
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,440
the people who've never seen the Sasquatch and they wholeheartedly

676
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,280
believe in their existence. But they poo pooh the existence

677
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,639
of dog men. That's even worse. And those people they're

678
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:37,559
not few and far between in the community.

679
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my husband, unfortunately, he may be one of them.

680
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:51,119
He wholeheartedly believes in sasquatch, but I really feel like

681
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,599
he doesn't believe what I saw was true. I think

682
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,760
he feels luck even though we've got pictures of those

683
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,719
yellow eyes and videos of it, he just chalks it

684
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,000
up to being something else. It's disheartening, it really is.

685
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be disheartening. Yeah, here's a man that

686
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:20,599
you are married to and you love, and obviously that

687
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,960
experience really shook you up. Well, when you finally told

688
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:27,199
him about what happened to you, he rebuffs you shame

689
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:33,599
on him. Has that caused any friction in your marriage? Ah?

690
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,559
Speaker 1: It did a little bit at first, but we've been

691
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:41,159
married for almost sixteen years now, so you know, it's

692
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,760
just another hurdle that we crossed, and.

693
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,079
Speaker 3: He knows that in his mind.

694
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: I think he thinks that I saw something, but you

695
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,519
know he I think he just chalks it up to

696
00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:02,119
me imagining things. It's messed up because I'm not the

697
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,559
kind of person that sees things like that. You know,

698
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:09,400
I've been raised my whole life in the woods. I'm

699
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,280
as country as country gets, and you know, it's just

700
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,800
a little bit messed up, but we moved past it.

701
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thankingness you're able to do that. But did

702
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,840
him not believe in you? Did that slow down your

703
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,760
recovery about that dog men encounter?

704
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely it did. Absolutely, No, that's no surprise.

705
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,599
Speaker 2: When you have a significant other who you can tell

706
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:42,400
about your experience and you can bounce ideas off of

707
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,000
them and they can try to support you and be understanding,

708
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:48,920
that helps so much when it comes to coming to

709
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,239
terms with your encounter. When you have a significant other

710
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,000
who doesn't believe you, Yeah, that is just such a blow.

711
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:00,440
To anyone's recovery. It's just a shame at really is

712
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,760
you got a pretty good look at it. Did the

713
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,760
dog mean you saw that night seem to have any

714
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,440
pureanormal qualities or did it just seem to be a

715
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,840
flesh and blood creature out there trying to make a living.

716
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: It's red eyes definitely struck me as paranormal, But the

717
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,599
musculature and the hair, the way it was hiding itself,

718
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:34,400
that struck me as a one physical creature like it

719
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,880
it didn't want me to see it. Maybe maybe it did,

720
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,679
I don't know, but to me, it seemed like it

721
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,679
was there and it didn't know I was going to

722
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,119
be there, and I just I just happened to see it.

723
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:54,400
And I really feel like maybe it was the actual creature.

724
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, just might be. Although there really isn't any lack

725
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,000
of credible eyewitnesses who've reported seeing these guys do things

726
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:08,360
that point soundly towards them being paranormal or at least

727
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,960
having paranormal or supernatural abilities. So it really does make

728
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:15,840
you wonder when you do what I do, though, it's

729
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,880
only natural that you bounce back and forth from at

730
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,119
one moment you're convinced they must be paranormal beings from

731
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:24,800
the ether, and the next moment you think, okay, yeah,

732
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,480
they must just be flesh and blood. But it's really

733
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,960
hard to say. They might be aliens for all we know.

734
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,440
It's just really hard to say for sure, definitively what

735
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:36,800
they are, and that's pretty frustrating.

736
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,679
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I still wonder to this day. Are they tangible

737
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,280
creatures that have always been there? And I really think

738
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:53,440
that's the basis of my nightmares. Are they actual creatures

739
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:56,360
and animals that have always been there?

740
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: They've always been around.

741
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: I've just never seen them by chance, and I just

742
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,239
happen to see it that one time, two times, or

743
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,840
if it's something paranormal, which is super scary to me

744
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:16,159
and those red eyes, I mean, it's thinking about it

745
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:16,880
being paranormal.

746
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,199
Speaker 3: It just freaks me plumb out.

747
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they're paranormal, then instead of being limited like

748
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,000
the rest of us, not having any special abilities, he

749
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:28,360
knows what the limits of their abilities are, so I

750
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,440
can understand why that would freak you out. That doesn't

751
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,960
give you the warm and fuzzies at all. We've talked

752
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,400
a good amount, especially when we had the first conversation

753
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:42,360
about your encounter in private their deb Borah, But I

754
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,559
never did ask you. I know your husband hasn't, but

755
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,920
have you ever seen a sasquatch yourself?

756
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: I have not. I've been in the woods my entire life.

757
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: I've been up on the mountaintops, up behind my house,

758
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:02,920
up and Tacket Creek, like as mountainous as you can get.

759
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,119
As a six year old little girl with my daddy,

760
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:10,239
coon hunting with our walker dogs and Bluetick hounds. I

761
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,239
never seen nothing. I never heard nothing that made me

762
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,039
think anything nonetheless. Other than just going coon hunting. My

763
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:21,360
teenage years, I was out in the woods, in the

764
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,960
wilderness by myself, sometimes with friends, never heard or seen anything.

765
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,599
Speaker 3: And then lo and behold.

766
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thirty four years old and I seen

767
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,800
that thing. And then a couple of weeks later I

768
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,400
seen them oys. So you know, I try to keep

769
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,599
an open mind, but it does. It freaks me out

770
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:45,199
really bad.

771
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: I get it. I understand if you had never seen

772
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,559
a sasquatch before when you saw the dog, mean that

773
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:56,239
night you and your husband were spotlighting trying to see

774
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,719
a sasquatch. What got into the whole sasquatch thing?

775
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: We have actually been listening to different podcasts years included.

776
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,400
We've been listening to your podcast for a couple of years,

777
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:18,440
and you know, we've seen the Bigfoot TV series and

778
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,679
all that, and we figure we live in like the

779
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,679
most remote of the remote areas of northeastern Tennessee. So

780
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,159
we figured, if there's any place where something like that's

781
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:33,440
going to exist, it's definitely.

782
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: Going to be down here.

783
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: And hearing accounts from like my grandparents and the older

784
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:42,960
people that live in the area about seeing wood boogers

785
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,480
and whatnot, we figured we'd have a pretty good chance

786
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:49,480
of seeing one. But now I'm starting to wonder if

787
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,400
them wood boogers that people have seen our dog men

788
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:54,280
and not Bigfoot.

789
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's entirely possible. And for everyone listening in the

790
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:01,840
live chat, now, how's the time to type any questions

791
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,519
you want me to ask Deborah in all caps that

792
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:08,079
way I don't miss them. But moving on, you told

793
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:11,480
us that the dog man was white, Deborah, but would

794
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:15,760
you describe its coat as being dirty, filthy or nice

795
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:16,280
and clean?

796
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,079
Speaker 1: It actually looked a little bit modeled, like it wasn't filthy,

797
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,840
like it had mange or anything, but it looked like

798
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,360
it had been wet, which made sense because it was

799
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,079
right next.

800
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 3: To the river.

801
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,559
Speaker 1: It was I guess for the area. It was pretty clean.

802
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:42,199
I didn't see any dirt or any matted, mangy spots.

803
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,519
Speaker 3: It just looked wet.

804
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 2: There's no rhyme nor reason. Some of these guys the

805
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,400
codes looked like they just left a beauty salon. Other

806
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,960
ones look like they're rolling around in the mud. But yeah,

807
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,320
like I said, there really is no rhyme nor reason.

808
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,559
It's just hard to know. Did it have its mouth

809
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,440
open or closed when you saw it?

810
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: When I saw its face, its mouth was actually slightly

811
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,360
a gaatee. I could see its teeth. It had a

812
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,559
muzzle like a German shepherd.

813
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,519
Speaker 3: It was long.

814
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,199
Speaker 1: Its teeth were huge. They weren't like glistening white. They

815
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:25,280
were kind of yellow, like a German shepherd, I guess,

816
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,119
like an older dog. But its canons were huge, and

817
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:34,760
it actually, if I think about it, it looked like

818
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,360
it had two canons on the top, like a large

819
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,400
fame and a smaller one behind a large fame.

820
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that's a sight you're never going to forget. There,

821
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,519
I've got a question for you from one Aguilar, and

822
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:58,840
he wants to know have you taken any photos get

823
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,840
that posted here? Any photos or video footage?

824
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I have got photos and video footage of the

825
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:14,559
yellow eyes, those giant, yellow glowing eyes, that thing standing

826
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:19,760
up from the river bank. I've got video and photos.

827
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,559
I've gave photos of it to Vick.

828
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did see that photo. All you can see

829
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:29,719
in the photo are those eyes gluing like headlights. And yeah,

830
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,960
it makes you wonder if they're not emanating some light

831
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,719
of their own, It really does. The next question up

832
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,079
is from Jerry Cahill, and he wants to know why

833
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,599
do you think you felt fear in your husband? Didn't?

834
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: Uh? Now that I don't know. I think it just

835
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:54,760
goes along with other people's sttings. Maybe I was in

836
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,719
the mind frame of I really didn't want to see

837
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,000
anything like that, and he wanted to see it so bad,

838
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:06,880
and I just happened to see it.

839
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,039
Speaker 3: I guess I'm one of the unlucky ones.

840
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you might be unlucky in that way, but

841
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,320
in other regards maybe not. It's really hard to say

842
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,000
it is. The next question up for you is from

843
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,679
Jerry key Hill. He wants to know do you think

844
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,639
the coyotes were running with or from the dog man.

845
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,679
Speaker 1: Thinking back about it, I honestly think they were running

846
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,360
from the dog man. I don't know if it was

847
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,519
the dog man that I heard bay out like a coonhound.

848
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,320
Whatever it was that I heard bay out, it was big,

849
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,000
way bigger than a coyote.

850
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: Just a sound of it and the depth the base

851
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,480
of its howl or.

852
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: Bay whatever you want to call it, and the rocks

853
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,920
getting flung all over the place, and then the whole

854
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,639
KYOUDI pat going crazy. I really think they were running

855
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:06,719
from the dog man.

856
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:12,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably were. You're probably right about that. I've

857
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:16,119
got another question for you from Robert Wolf. He wants

858
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:20,119
to know can we see the photos? Well you can.

859
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,639
If Debrah says it's o key for me to post

860
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,960
that photo on my personal Facebook page, as long as

861
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,639
it's okay with her, then I'll do that. But Deborah,

862
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:30,280
there's no pressure for me to do that.

863
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Vic, I'm willing to share it with the world.

864
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'll do that. Then I will post it

865
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,920
on my personal Facebook page. And people ask me all

866
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,599
the time, how are we going to know when we

867
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:47,760
find the right viccundiff on Facebook? You'll know, you'll definitely

868
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,440
know when you find the right Viccundiff profile, and that

869
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:55,159
is v C. See you in like Nancy? Do you

870
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,800
like David Iff? As in Frank Frank. It's really easy

871
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:07,719
to find. Moving on, the next question is from Tripping

872
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,840
New Pawn New and they want to know did the

873
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,400
coyotes stop howling when the dog mean out?

874
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:22,159
Speaker 1: Actually, when I heard the big thing bay out, the

875
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:28,480
coyote pack went rampant. They started squealing and screaming and

876
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,440
making all kinds of a mess a holler.

877
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: You wouldn't believe they got super loud.

878
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:38,159
Speaker 1: They only went quiet when I heard the rocks flinging.

879
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:43,239
And keep in mind, these were not just like gravel rocks.

880
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 3: These were like.

881
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: Ten twelve pound stones. I could hear them plunging all

882
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,559
over the place. They stopped making noise then, but it

883
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:54,719
wasn't but a few moments later. I could hear them

884
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,239
squalling and hollering. I could feel, I could hear and

885
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:04,800
feel their feet digging up the dirt running. It sounded

886
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,000
like they were running from the rocks getting tousled.

887
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just might have been. You never know. The

888
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,239
next one up is from Candace Wetzell and Candace wants

889
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,880
to know, are you concerned the dog man has marked

890
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:20,960
you for tracking?

891
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:28,159
Speaker 3: That's a good question, that's a creepy one. I hope not.

892
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: As somebody who spends a lot of time in the

893
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,519
woods alone fishing and hunting, I really hope not. But

894
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,760
from my time talking with Vic and just from what

895
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:48,280
I've experienced, I really think if I am marked, I

896
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,639
don't think that I'm gonna get hurt.

897
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: Maybe they're just curious and wanting to watch me.

898
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:59,639
Speaker 1: Because if I was gonna be hurt, there's been a

899
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,360
bit opportunities, plus a bit Jullian that I could have

900
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:09,119
been one hundred percent disappeared from planet Earth. Nobody would

901
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,239
know what happened to me. So if if I was

902
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,320
going to be hurt by one of them things, it

903
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,320
would have done happened years ago.

904
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: It's good you understand that. I talk with people all

905
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,440
the time. You just get it wrong. It's not their fault.

906
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:28,519
They just don't know. They don't understand dog men. And

907
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:31,920
also too, they're traumatized from their experiences, so they can't

908
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,159
see things clearly. But people who they step outside and

909
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:39,400
they see a dogman in their backyard twenty years ago

910
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,360
and they can't eat right, they can't sleep right, and

911
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,239
you talk with them to find out what's ailing them,

912
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,599
and they tell you how these dangerous dogmen are outside,

913
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:51,199
and ever since that sighting, I've done things to quote

914
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,320
unquote protect myself. Oh really, so you've been protecting yourself

915
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,519
from these dangerous monsters. What have you done? And then

916
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:00,280
they go on to tell you how they they don't

917
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,440
go deep into the woods unless it's a bright, sunny afternoon,

918
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,639
and all these other things. I never go outside after dark,

919
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:10,360
and they do all these other things that don't add

920
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,559
up to a hill of beans. I can understand them

921
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:16,800
trying to do these things for just comfort, but at

922
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,920
their core, they really don't protect them in any way

923
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,000
from a dog man that's got it in its mind

924
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:25,480
that it wants to take them out. They wouldn't be

925
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:30,400
any safer in their basements at three pm in the afternoon.

926
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,920
Then they would be at three am in the middle

927
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,920
of the night with the blindfold on way out in

928
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,119
the woods behind their homes. If the dog men in

929
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:41,239
the area around their homes, if those dogmen want to

930
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,760
get them, they can come through any wall their house

931
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,639
and get them if they want it to. But the

932
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:49,239
great news is that hasn't happened because they don't want

933
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:54,039
to do that, plain and simple. Moving on, the next

934
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:58,920
question is from Beatrice Ward, and Beatrice wants to know

935
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,119
can we hear the recorded sound of what she heard?

936
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,840
Would you be okay with me posting that on my

937
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,679
Facebook page? Also, and understand I can't stress it enough

938
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:10,960
their deb broh, there's no pressure to do. That is

939
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:12,039
totally up to you.

940
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I will make sure you get that video footage.

941
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:21,159
Like I said, it was at the tail end of

942
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,760
the kyote pack and once them started slinging, they all

943
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,719
just got like super quiet. But yeah, absolutely, And kind

944
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:38,119
of going into the last question, I'm familiar with firearms,

945
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:40,559
Like I said, I've been brought up in the South.

946
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a huntress.

947
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:47,639
Speaker 1: I've spent my life hunting, fishing, and I know in

948
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,039
the pit of my heart what I say if it

949
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,880
did want to get me, and I don't think that

950
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,480
it does based on what I've experienced so far. I

951
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,840
always carry a forty five Springfield with me, and when

952
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,039
I'm deer hunting, I carry at thirty at six and

953
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:12,199
those weapons would be no match for what I saw,

954
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,320
like point blank and simple at thirty at six that's

955
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:18,239
a high powered rifle. At a drop of moose and

956
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,400
a heartbeat, it wouldn't be a match for it. So

957
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,840
you know, I'm just going to take my gut filling

958
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,000
all night. If I was going to be harmed, I

959
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:32,119
would have done been harmed. But yeah, I will definitely

960
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:33,760
send you that recording.

961
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: Vic, that's the case. I'll take that recording in by

962
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:40,800
early afternoon tomorrow at the latest. I'll have the photo

963
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,800
and that recording posted on my personal Facebook page. I've

964
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,360
never posted a recording before. That's just in the form

965
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,880
of an MP three or something like that, but I'll

966
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,920
try to make sure I get that. I'll taken care

967
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,519
of it the latest by early afternoon tomorrow and get

968
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:00,639
both of those posted again, V I c c you

969
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:04,400
in like Nancy? Do you like David Iff as in

970
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:08,800
Frank Frank Kundiff on Facebook? And again you won't have

971
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,440
any trouble telling which one is the right vik Kundiff account.

972
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,920
Here's a good question for you from Jerry Cahill, and

973
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,880
Jerry wants to know do people go missing around there

974
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:20,599
very often?

975
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 3: Yes?

976
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:28,239
Speaker 1: Actually yes. In the past we've blamed it on the

977
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,599
numerous cave systems in the area. In this portion of

978
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:36,400
northeastern Tennessee, we have a lot, and when I say

979
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,760
a lot, I mean a lot of cave systems. A

980
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:46,800
lot of them are undiscovered or untraveled, undocumented. I hear

981
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,920
it every day on Facebook Instagram. People go coon hunt

982
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,280
and their dogs just suddenly drop from the ground where

983
01:00:54,320 --> 01:01:00,519
a cave system opens up. I wonder if these things

984
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,599
use the cave system. There are so many caves in

985
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:07,039
the area, it's crazy.

986
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,679
Speaker 2: They probably do use them. I wouldn't be surprised he had.

987
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,960
That whole area has got so many resources that lend

988
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,559
themselves to making it a holiday in for these guys.

989
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:21,760
It's no wonder so many people see dog men and

990
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,599
sasquatch in that area. It really isn't a surprise at all.

991
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,159
I've got another good question for you from Jerry. Jerry

992
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,719
wants to know how close did the rocks get to you.

993
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:35,039
Do you think it was trying to hit you or

994
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:36,559
just scare you off.

995
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't think the rocks were trying to hit me

996
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:45,280
or scare me off. It sounded like they were being

997
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:51,119
tossled at the coyote pack. From my perspective, they were

998
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,559
very big rocks. I'm not a small woman. I'm six

999
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:59,880
foot tall, almost two hundred pounds, and to whiz the

1000
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:05,239
those stones at the velocity that I heard them flying around,

1001
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,320
it would have taken everything in me just to do

1002
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,679
one or two. And I heard like six or seven

1003
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,719
of them, So I don't think it was towards me.

1004
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,719
I think it was whizz and stones at the coyotes.

1005
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,719
Speaker 2: You're probably right, that's probably what was going on. This

1006
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,559
next question is from Michigan meat Eater, and he wants

1007
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:28,280
to know have any neighbors seen or heard anything near you?

1008
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: Yes, there are some old timers in this little farming

1009
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,880
community who have made reports of seeing wh wood boogers.

1010
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,400
You know, Like I said previously, I think the reports

1011
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:53,360
may have been dog men and not bigfoot. But you know,

1012
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,119
when there's a report made of a wood booger, everybody

1013
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:00,159
always thinks bigfoot. I really think they were reporting the

1014
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:00,679
dog man.

1015
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just might have been. You never know, there's

1016
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:09,920
every possibility that's the case. This next one is from

1017
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,639
Steven Truth Seeker, and Stephen wants to know has the

1018
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:18,119
dogman followed the lady home on the astro realm, which

1019
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:20,800
I think he's asking about I'm sorry.

1020
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,639
Speaker 1: Oh you're final. I'm so sorry. I really hope not.

1021
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:29,239
I really really hope not. If that's the case, that

1022
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:33,280
would explain my not mayor so, I I really hope

1023
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,440
my not Marris are just because of my subconscious But

1024
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,199
I hope that thing ain't followed me home.

1025
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,599
Speaker 2: Did you and your husband go straight home after you spot?

1026
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:45,880
Why did that night or go someplace else?

1027
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 3: We came straight home?

1028
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: How far was that spot from your home?

1029
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 3: Maybe three miles?

1030
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,079
Speaker 2: Three miles? Okay, well it might have followed you home.

1031
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,760
It might not. But if it did follow you home,

1032
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:06,199
it's had every opportunity since May. Think about that May

1033
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,159
nineteenth is at every opportunity to harm you. You've been mowing,

1034
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,920
you've been doing things outside. Not that you're any safer

1035
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,280
outside your home than you are inside your home from

1036
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,239
one of these things. It goes back to the point,

1037
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,920
is that every opportunity to harm you, it's good you

1038
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:25,960
understand that even though it's had all these opportunities, there's

1039
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,039
one reason, and one reason only why it hasn't harmed you,

1040
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,159
because it doesn't want to. So please never lose sight

1041
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:36,239
of that fact. I've got another one for you from

1042
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:40,840
JS Skillett, I'm sorry, Jay's Skillet to eighty nine. They

1043
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,719
want to know, do you think a fifty caliber Beale

1044
01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:45,239
Wolf would stop one.

1045
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,199
Speaker 3: Fifty caliber? Maybe? Luck?

1046
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: Just coming from my past experience, Like I said, you know,

1047
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,519
I'm an avid huntress. I've took down some big game

1048
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:05,199
animals in my day. Maybe if you shot one right

1049
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:10,280
in the eye, maybe, But the way that this thing

1050
01:05:10,519 --> 01:05:13,079
was built, the one with the red eyes that I

1051
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:18,039
could clearly see, you would have to be a quick shot,

1052
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:23,159
and a good one. Because it was made it's musculature

1053
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:29,559
and it's it's physique like it was made to eat speed.

1054
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:32,400
You would have to be one heck of a good shot.

1055
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:38,239
Speaker 2: It's good to not lose sight of that fact. So

1056
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,360
many people strap a gun on when they know that

1057
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,440
a dog men's in an area and they consider it good. Okay,

1058
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,320
I've got a gun, so I'm safe. Well, Number one,

1059
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,480
they have no clue how they're going to respond under pressure,

1060
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,079
the kind of pressure when a dog man's right there

1061
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:53,599
and you can see it and you're not sure what

1062
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:56,920
it's got in mind? And number two, do they even

1063
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,920
have the ability to be accurate with whatever they're carrying?

1064
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:03,519
There's so many variables. It goes so much above and

1065
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:06,519
beyond just strapping a gun to your hip or carrying

1066
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:10,599
one in your hands, as far as protecting yourself. There's

1067
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:12,639
so much more that goes into it than so many

1068
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:16,280
people consider there really is. I'm going to ask you

1069
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,000
one more question, and this question is from Patrick from

1070
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,840
the NADP. He wants to know if you ever heard

1071
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,599
of the dwio being mentioned there in the area.

1072
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,119
Speaker 1: No, that's completely new to me. I would love to

1073
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:34,159
know what that is and what it's about.

1074
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: Well, the dwio, that's normally what dogmen are called in

1075
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:46,039
South America, but in certain areas of Central America also,

1076
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:51,480
But apparently maybe they're called that in Tennessee and some

1077
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:54,599
other places in the United States. I guess if that's

1078
01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:56,960
the case, that's news to me. I didn't know that,

1079
01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:00,480
But people in different areas. I mean, there's so many

1080
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:04,400
nicknames for these cryptids, sasquatch. A lot of people don't

1081
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,559
know that. A lot of people in the South call

1082
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:11,800
them haints, call them no heads, catamounts, all these other nicknames.

1083
01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:15,559
Dog men, they've got their nicknames too. That acquired a

1084
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:19,360
lot of people and various regions don't know about so

1085
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,960
it's really hard to say what they're called in any

1086
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:27,480
given area, I guess. But having said all that, I

1087
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:29,760
can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the

1088
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,800
details of these experiences with this, Deborah. I really do

1089
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:33,639
appreciate it.

1090
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you having me on the show. And

1091
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,079
I really thank everybody for their questions.

1092
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really did have some good questions tonight, they

1093
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:47,360
really did. But please remember if you ever do need

1094
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,760
more help, I'll always be there for you. All I

1095
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,559
have to do is just let me know and I'll

1096
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:52,159
be there for you.

1097
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,519
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Vig. I appreciate it more than

1098
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:56,800
you know.

1099
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. You're welcome. That's what I'm here. But yeah,

1100
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,440
thanks again for your time there, Deborah, and have a

1101
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,360
great night you two.

1102
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:07,159
Speaker 3: Vat, thank you.

1103
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. We'll see. Well, that's another one in

1104
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,039
the books before I get out of here. If you've

1105
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:18,439
had a Dogman encounter of your own that you need

1106
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,680
help with, or maybe you want to just be a

1107
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,359
guest on the show, all you have to do is

1108
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,680
to go to Dogmanancounters dot com and submit a report.

1109
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:29,199
If you do that, then I'd be more than happy

1110
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:32,800
to contact you and schedule a film consultation with you

1111
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:35,800
so we can just take it from there. But having

1112
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,479
said that, thanks again so much everyone for listening, for

1113
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,640
supporting these eyewitnesses and all you do. I really appreciate it,

1114
01:08:42,680 --> 01:09:17,000
and have a great night, or as English