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I really appreciate you being here. On May nineteenth of
twenty twenty four last year, of course, Tonight's guest and
her husband decided to head out into the woods in
Claiborne County and Tennessee to see if they couldn't find
a sas watch. They'd never seen a sasquatch before and
they're hoping this would be the night to do it.
So they went out and they tried to spotlight various
areas in the woods there, hoping for the best. Well,
what happened was a lot different than what they had
hoped for. To say the least, I can't do it
any justice talking about it, So let's bring Tonight's guest
in here so we can have her do that. Tonight's guest,
which is tru me and anonymous. Also with that in mind,
I'm just gonna call her Deborah Tonight Deborah, Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me, Vick.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Thanks for your time, and thanks for
being here. Deborah, please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm a country girl.
Speaker 1: I've spent my whole life in southeast Kentucky, Northeast Tennessee.
I grew up spending many nights coon hunting with my
walker dogs in bluetick hounds. I'm an avid huntress. I
squirrel hunt, deer hunt, I fish. I can bring it
to the boys just as hard as they can bring
it in.
Speaker 3: That's just how it was raised. And I love it
down here in the South. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2: That is a beautiful part of the country. It definitely is.
How much time over the years have you spent in
the woods there, Deborah, coon hunting, doing other things.
Speaker 1: Almost my whole life, the better part of at least
thirty years. Ever, since I was about five or six
years old. I was just brought up in the mountains
with guns, fishing, hunting, tracking, you name it, I've did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a lot of time in the woods.
Do you still go out into the woods alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, but I'm always carrying my side arm
with me. I carry my forty five springfield. We do
have BlackBerry population in the area and quite a large
cody population, so safety is always paramount.
Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely is. But how much faith do you
have in that forty five springfield to protect you from
what you saw that night?
Speaker 3: Not much, Not much at all.
Speaker 2: Yes, could you realize that you had your encounter on
your husband's birthday weekend in a very rural Please please
tell us about what you had planned for his birthday
weekend there in the place where this all happened.
Speaker 3: Well, it was down a little place called Gap Creek.
We had.
Speaker 1: His birthday was on the fourteenth, so it was a weekend.
We was off work, and he's a cryptid freak. He's
always wanted to see sasquatch and I've got an open mind,
you know, I believe that there are things out there
that we can't explain.
Speaker 3: I've never seen one, He's never seen one.
Speaker 1: So we thought we'd go out his birthday weekend and
just see if we could see a sasquatch. And boy,
what we saw was something else or what I saw
rather with something else entirely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that it was. Unfortunately the dog men you saw
it looked like one of the most frightening were wolves
in a horror movie. You said which movie, though, are
you talking about?
Speaker 1: It looked a lot like the creature from Bad Moon.
The same color, similar body shape, The eyes were different.
The eyes were like big red bicycle reflector beams. But
it did favor the werewolf and Bad Moon quite a bit,
not marishly.
Speaker 2: So Wow, of all the were wolves to see, that
looked like a movie werewolf. That's the worst movie werewolf
to see in my opinion. That's horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has caused some nightmares since the encounter.
Speaker 1: It was definitely a wake up call for me going
out into the woods by myself deer hunting and everything,
a deer hunt with a thirty hot six, But the
thing I saw, I'm not confident even my thirty hot
six could take something like that.
Speaker 2: It's good you realize that. Now that we're on the subject,
which were wolf movie do you think is the greatest
one of all time?
Speaker 1: Definitely Bad Moon? Definitely. I make my family watch it
all the time. They probably hate it at this point,
but I love it ever since I was a little girl.
I just as soon as I watched that movie, I
was maybe seven or eight, years old. That's been my
favorite of all time.
Speaker 2: Wow, Deborah, I need to send you a shirt. You've
got great taste in We're a Wolf Movies. I'm impressed.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. It's a great movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it really is. Did you know about
Dogman before you had that encounter? And did the encounter
wreck your love of the woods?
Speaker 1: I had heard people talk about things like that, but
in this area, it's so remote, it's a church going community,
and anybody who's ever even made a report of seeing
something like that, they're all labeled just being crazy or
not right in the mind. So, you know, I just
chalked it up to figments of people's imagination maybe, And
it has kind of deterred me from going back to
that spot. I have been fishing around that area, but
I haven't went back to that area by myself without
some kind of firearm. I haven't went back to that
area exactly in the nighttime since then.
Speaker 3: I probably won't ever go back there again in the knot.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't say I'll blame you for not going back.
That's totally understandable. It hasn't been all that long since
it happened. Again, it was me of last year and
you're still suffering from nightmares. You already mentioned that just
a bit ago. What can you tell us about these
nightmares though?
Speaker 3: Those red glowing eyes.
Speaker 1: Just knowing that something like that out there, all the
times I've been out there by myself for hours on end,
in the dark, creeping into the early morning hours, it's
lurking in the back of my mind that that thing
is out there, and my not mariors revolve around those red.
Speaker 3: Eyes glaring at me.
Speaker 1: I've had not mayres about those red eyes looking through
my window.
Speaker 3: I live in a.
Speaker 1: Upstairs duplex, so it's been crazy.
Speaker 3: Those red eyes haunt me.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness, it's an upstairs duplex, not a ground level one,
although big ones. I probably shouldn't see this, but big ones.
They've looked through second story windows before.
Speaker 1: That's terrible. Oh that sends shivers down my spine. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I was reluctant to tell you, but I figure
fore warned is forearmed, so I thought it probably would
be best if I'll let you know.
Speaker 3: I want to say I appreciate that, but it's pretty scary.
Speaker 2: Oh it is. Yeah, Just imagine somebody sleeping up in
their bed on the second floor and they've got the
window open, and here's a newse right there sniffing the window,
right through the screen. We had a guest on, Carrie,
I think two weeks ago, and she came on and
talked about that. But yeah, she's not the only eyewitness
I've spoken with. You went through that unfortunately, just not good,
not good at all. From what I understand, your son
just might have seen the same dog Men that you did.
Have you told him about dog Men or kept that
a secret from him.
Speaker 1: He knows about dog Man. He has access to YouTube
and stuff. He's seen a lot of the reports, and
he's very intrigued about what we saw. He's fourteen, he
just turned fourteen as February, and yeah, he definitely saw something.
Speaker 3: It gave us a run for our money. Scared us
to death.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure it did. Yeah, fourteen, it's a pretty
darn delicate age. So yeah, I think i'd treat that
with kid gloves too, No pun intended, but I think
I treat that with kid gloves also if it were me.
So that's a tough spot to be in, all right, Deborah,
Please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every
last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 3: All right. So it was in May.
Speaker 1: My husband's birthday was May the fourteenth, and we had
worked that day. I worked twelve hour shifts, so we
had the weekend off and we wanted to go cryptid
hunting to see a sidsquatch, a bigfoot.
Speaker 3: My husband, he's always wanted to see a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: So we decided that weekend that we were going to
go out, just me and him, and we had a
spot lot and everything, and we go out down Gap
Creek Road and it's a very remote area. It goes
from a paved road to a gravel road to a
dirt road right on the banks of the Powell River.
And once you hit the banks of the Powell River,
you're on the dirt road and there are no houses,
no people, no nothing from miles. And once we hit
the gravel part of the road, about the second bend
in the road getting close to the river, right before
the dirt road, I got this bad feeling and being
brought up the way I was. I've been, like I said,
I've been coon hunting a lot with my walker dogs
and bluetick hounds. I'm not afraid. I never was afraid
of being out there at not been out there since
I was a kid, so to be struck by an
ominous feeling and such anxiety was something new to me.
It was my husband's birthday, so I didn't say anything
to him. I just chalked it up as my mind,
you know, just a bad feeling. We get around the
second bend of the gravel road, right before the dirt
road starts, and that feeling, that ominous feeling, was so
strong it almost made.
Speaker 3: Me want to throw up.
Speaker 1: And again, it was my husband's birthday weekend, so I
didn't want to ruin the fun. I just stuffed it
all down and didn't say anything. When we get around
the second bend in the road, my headlights struck something,
and he's looking out his side of the window. I'm
looking out mine, and my headlights hit something. It looks
like two big red bicycle reflectors looking at me. That's
what caught my attention, and I'm looking. I'm squinting, trying
to make out what it is that's given those red
glowing volbs, and I look and I can see what
looks like this. It looked like the creature from Bad
Moon hiding behind a tree and the foliage. It was
almost hiding its face from me. It actually did hid
its face from me to the point to where I
could only see half of one of its red glowing eyes.
But the way that the moon was glisten, and that night,
I don't know if it was a full moon or
close to a full moon, but the moonlight was very bright,
and I could see the foliage the leaves, and this
thing was hiding behind a tree, trying to hide its
face from me behind the foliage, and I could see
the silvery white hair on its body, but at the
same time, it almost looked wet, like I could see
its skin underneath its hair. Its hair was long like
a German shepherd's hair, but I could see the skin
underneath it. And this thing was muscular, not like body
builder muscular, but close like you could tell it was
built for speed and endurance. I could see the muscles
of its neck, its upper shoulders, and its upper arm
underneath the hair. And when I blink my eyes and
I look back, it's completely gone. So you know, I
kept this to myself. I didn't want to ruin my
husband's trip. And we keep going, keep going on down
until we get to the dirt road right at the
river bank and we park now right across the river
from where we were. It's actually a creek that breaks
where we were from a train trustle. You've got the
main Pole River in front of us, the train trustle
going across the river, and a creek that goes up.
It's actually Gap Creek. And we parked the car and
my gets out with this spotlight. He's wanting to go
see what he can see. And I still had this
ominous bad feeling. It was real strong, real real strong.
I still felt kind of sick from it. And we
get out of the car. I'm trying to humor him,
show him a good time, and we start hearing. At
first what I thought was somebody coon hunting, and again
this was in May, so it wasn't the season for
coon hunting. And I heard what sounded like a big
old walker dog or bluetick Hount Bay and down hard
on something. It was like boom, And I was like, hey,
do you hear that?
Speaker 3: Do you hear that?
Speaker 1: And he looks at me and he's like what, And
I was like listen, and I busted out my phone
and I caught the tail end of it on my phone,
and again I hear a big, huge boom, like like
a houndog being down on a track, but the hounddog
went from bayand like boom.
Speaker 3: To the crazy Coodies sound like boom, like Cody's screaming.
And then that's when I knew it was a huge coyote.
And then I could hear the rest of the pack
chiming in, and I had my phone recording it, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, this is a huge coyote pack going crazy.
I was far enough away from the codies to where
me having my phone out, there's no way they could
have seen it, seen the light from it.
Speaker 3: They immediately stopped.
Speaker 1: So I cut my phone off and I'll wait in silence,
and then I hear it. There's these big rocks on
the train, trustle. They're probably ten or twenty pounds a
piece of giant rocks. I start hearing those rocks whizzing
all over the place, hitting the ground, and then the
coyote pack goes crazy, like absolutely crazy squill and hauler
and like they're super excited or scared.
Speaker 3: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I can hear their feet hitting the ground running. I
don't know if they're running after something or running from something,
but it scared me enough to where I looked at him.
I was like, I'm not doing this. I get in
the car and open up the door. He's already far
enough out in front of the car to where I
can't get his attention anymore. And I load up my
forty five and I just sit there. I close the
door with my forty five loaded ready to go. I
crack the windows because in my mind, I'm thinking, well,
if they get close enough, I'm going to fire off
a few warning shots and they'll run off. That didn't happen.
He comes back. He says he didn't see anything. We
call it a knot. I'm like, I don't feel good.
I got a bad feeling. I feel like we need
to leave. And I start telling him, you know about
how codies Carrie Raby's, and they're dangerous. My husband, he's
from the city, you know, he's not as familiar with
things like that as I am. So we get back
in the car and we go home. Well, a couple
of weeks, maybe a month later, me and him and
my son, who was thirteen at the time, we go
out spotlighting in the same area. The area where we
parked is off to the right and the area where
we took my son. It's a fork in the road.
It goes off to the right way on down along
the river, along the Powell River. So we take my
son and we're going. My son's actually sitting out the
back window of the suv propped up on it, spotlighting
out into the field, the river bank, the mountains, just
to see what we can see. And my son said,
he just screams out, stop, mom, stop, I see something.
I see something. And I was like, what did you see?
What did you see? He's like, stop, put it in,
back it up, on, back it up. So there's this
little turnaround spot right by the river. Back the suv
up in that turnaround spot and we turn around to
where it's on my side of the window. Keep in
mind he's setting on the back window hanging out of
the car. He shines the spotlight out and we see
these yallow, huge glowing eyes looking at us. And at first,
the first thing in my mind was maybe this is
a deer. Maybe it's a deer or something looking at us.
But the longer I watched it, it was sentient, like
it was blinking, it was watching every move we made.
I get the car, I put it in drive. We're
creeping real slow and it's following every move that we make.
I pull my phone out, I snap a few pictures
of it, and you know, we go on. Me and
my son were gauging elbow and each other talking about
how we saw something, and my husband he was like, yeah,
that's weird.
Speaker 3: So we go on home.
Speaker 1: About a week later, it was actually the following weekend,
we come back to that area in the daylight. Okay,
this thing that we saw, the eyes that we saw.
Now I was able to navigate to the exact spot
where we saw it, and I use the turnaround point
as my area of mapping. Like the picture I took
on my phone, there was weeds in a tree and
stuff I could see in the picture. This thing with
those yellow, huge eyes was actually standing on the river
bank about its feet would have had to have been
two or three feet down, so that tells me it
was at least six feet tall whatever it was. So
that totally eliminates a deer or any the natural wildlife
that we have around here. And that also brings me
to my second point. A couple of weeks after I
saw the thing with the red eyes, went back out
in the daylight. We actually went up, me and my
son to the point where I seen that thing, and
we measured up in the tree in the foliage where
I seen them red eyes. That thing was about nine
and a half feet tall, whatever it was, So it
definitely shook me to my core. Spending my entire life
out in these woods hunting, deer, hunting, fishing, not time daytime.
It scared me to death. And that's my tail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why it did. Frighten it to death. Yeah,
it's hard to stomach something like that. Your husband was
right there with you when you saw that dog, mean
that night, did you think about trying to draw that
dog me into his attention or did it all happen
so fast that your mind was spinning.
Speaker 1: Basically, happened so fast my mom was spinning. And I
really like the feeling I got from it. It made
me sick to my stomach, like it made me so anxious,
I got sick. And I'm not a person that gets
so anxious that they get sick like that never happens
to me. So I just chalked it up as my
mom playing tricks on me, and I didn't want to
ruin his you know, his birthday weekend, So I didn't
tell him anything about it because if he knew how
it felt, and if he knew that I was about
to get sick, he would have wanted to immediately go
back home and see what was wrong with me. So
I just I kept going. I tried to soldier through.
But after hearing them codies and everything, I'm kind of
glad we didn't stick around longer than we did.
Speaker 2: No, I can understand that now. I know you didn't
tell him that weekend because you're afraid of ruining his
birthday week? But did you ever tell them?
Speaker 1: Yes, I have, since it was actually just a couple
of days ago. I told him, and he was kind
of in disbelief. His point of mind was, what, You've
been there so many times, and I've been there so
many times. If something like that was out there, I
would have seen it because I wanted to see it.
And I'm thinking, well, I didn't want to see it,
and I saw it, So I can't explain to you
why I saw it.
Speaker 2: It seems like there are two types of people. You've
got one crowd who just wants to know what's out there,
even if it freaks them. Out They just want to
know so they can take the appropriate action. Other people
they don't want to know, even if it's out there.
They just they think what you don't know can't hurt you.
Which camp are you in?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, I would be in the camp of I would
want to know so I could be prepared for it.
But ever since I seen it, I would honestly place
myself in the camp of I don't want to know.
I would much rather not know and not have seen
what I saw, because, like I said, it definitely has
deterred me from hunting and fishing in that area and
a really good spot. But I'm terrified to go back there.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I get it. I understand why, And there
are definitely meriats to both sides. If you don't know
what's out there, hopefully you won't have any trouble with it.
So sometimes ignorance is bliss. But on the other hand,
there's that possibility. You never know, a doggedman might have
gotten up on the wrong side of the log and
he might be looking for trouble on any given day.
It's unlikely, but it happens. So there's mirroat to the
other side too. But I was just wondering which side
you you stood on that. I'm wondering, though, Have there
been times, Deborah, when your husband wanted to go back
out looking for sasquatch but you refuse to go?
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely.
Speaker 1: He's actually asked multiple times since then, he's actually wanted
to go back out and try to see the dog
man and it's oz and I have flat out refused
to go. It scared me that bad. I don't want
to go back out there.
Speaker 2: Now, I get it. I totally understand. Do you think, though,
that someday down the road you might flip things and
decide to go out there and try to spotlight dog
men just to try to get more comfort? And I
can't really say familiarity with these guys, but the more
you know about what you fear, the easer it is
to think about them to be around them. Does that
hold true with you? Or are you totally hands off?
You don't want anything to do with a dog man
from no one out?
Speaker 1: I really would not rather see that ever again, honestly,
But not mayors that I've had about the red eyes
looking in my windows, I would rather never see it again, honestly.
Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. Everyone's different, so you never know what's
going to be the best medicine for one person compared
to the next. In your dream, though, when those eyes
look in your bedroom window, is there ever any communication?
Do they ever talk with you? No?
Speaker 3: Not yet.
Speaker 1: It's just been Uh, it's always led on by that
bad feeling, that terrible anxiety and the nausea, and that
feeling of being.
Speaker 3: Mortified and helpless.
Speaker 1: And then I know that something's going to be at
the window when I look out of it, but I
do anyways, and I see those red eyes and it's
it's terrible. It's just terrible, Like I'll wake up and sweat.
I've woke up screaming. It's not good.
Speaker 2: No, that's not good at all. The part of your
brain that controls your ability to rationalize things, to reason,
that switches off when you're asleep. That's why when you
wake up from a stupid nightmare or a crazy dream,
you say, what in the world was that all about?
I was running from a giant banana or something silly
like that. Well, you can only do so much to
control those and deal with those dreams outside of learning
how to lucid dream that is. But yeah, I mean
there's one thing. It's one thing if you're having a
lot of trouble dealing with your encounters when you're asleep
in the form of nightmares, but you're okay when you're awake.
But when you're having trouble both ways, both when you're
awaken when you're asleep, that's totally different. The fact that
you're still heading back into the woods. You don't have
a lot of comfort there going back into the woods.
Obviously not in the same place where you had that encounter,
but you are going back into the woods. You told
me what two days ago that you still deer hunt,
and that's obviously by yourself. So you're doing well. If
you can do that, then you are dealing with this,
which that's great. But do you ever see a time
down the road where you can just go out into
the woods and just not be compromised whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Maybe someday in the future.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't want to say, nevor, I try not
to say Nevor, but maybe one day in the future.
There was a time when I was deer hunting close
to that area. It was actually this past year season
I wentn't in that exact area. Like I said, I
haven't went back there by myself, but I was close
and I go out into this open field and I
just I smell old. What smell. I don't know how
many of the viewers are competent with the smell of
like a slaughterhouse, like fresh open deer entrails, or like
a cow that's just been slaughtered or a goat. But
I was out in the field making my way to
my blind and it just hit me the smell of
fresh open entrails, like a deer had just been gutted,
right in front of me. And I'm looking all over
the place. I can't see anything. There's no blood, there's
nothing like there's nothing that should have made that smell happen.
Speaker 3: The wildlife everything.
Speaker 1: The birds were chirping, and I got that feeling of
anxiety again, and I just I took my gun, I
put it on my shoulder and I backed out.
Speaker 3: That was a bit much for me.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was. And not to freak you out.
We don't know after all that it was a dog
man that you were smelling, but understand that that's a
commonly reported smell that eyewitnesses report smelling when they're in
the presence of a dog man, So there's every possibility
that you had one close to you, way too close
for comfort, I'd say, if you could smell that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was unsettling enough to where I backed out.
I left my blonde. There was a lot of supplies
and am in my blond. I just left it. It's
still sitting there to this day.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you did that. Yeah, you definitely weren't
in any position to have another encounter that soon after
having the first one or the second one. Yeah, that's
a really good move. I'm glad you did that. You
told us that you started to feel bad not too
long after you realized that the dog man was there.
But how long did it take you for that nausea
to go away? Was it not until you woke up
the next day after a full sleep cycle, or later
on in the evening. Well, I guess this all happened
really early in the morning. But just a matter of
hours later did you start feeling better? How long did
it take you?
Speaker 1: It was about four hours after I had got home.
I ate some saltine crackers. I actually had to take
a couple shots of bourbon to calm myself down, and
it gradually faded it's about four hours after it started,
after I'd got home, so I guess from the time
it started to the time I got home is about
six and a half hours.
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, if that's the case, if you didn't have
to sleep to make that nausea go away, then I
don't think it was infrasound. I do believe these guys
can emit infrasound, and if they do, that's definitely got
the potential to cause nausea. But normally a sleep cycle,
from what I understand, is required to get you to
start feeling better and recover from the nausea if you
are hit with infras So apparently it was something else
that caused that nausea to come along. I don't know
if it was just the fright or what, but something
else apparently caused it. Just something to keep in.
Speaker 1: Mind, Oh yeah, it was, I think I don't know.
I think it was like a sixth sense, just something
telling me something's not rot be on all points to
have my ears pricked up and my eyes open. It
It's just maybe it's where I've been raised in the woods,
hunting and tracking animals. Is something in my body just
told me, Hey, something's not right, This isn't good, be Leary,
And I was, and I'm glad I was. But that's
that's a feeling I will never forget.
Speaker 2: Vic Well, I'm sure. Yeah, I don't doubt that at all,
and I've said it a thousand times before. I'm so
glad you listened to your inner voice. It's always best
to listen to your sin. If you get that feeling
like it's time to get out of dodge, please do
don't ignore it. If you didn't tell your son what
the eyes might have belonged to you that night when
it lit up those eyes with the spotlight, Deborah, did
he brush off seeing those out there? Or was he
freaked out for some time after he saw those eyes
in the spotlight.
Speaker 1: He was definitely freaked out for some time. He actually
started researching animal eyeshine. Like I said earlier, we have
a black bear population here, but you know their eyes
are more like a reddish orange. He started researching all
different types of animals eyeshine, and he actually couldn't figure
out what it was those yellow eyes. They like the
pictures I sent you, you can see it's too big
to be a deer. That's something that he's held onto
quite totly since then.
Speaker 3: It definitely shook him a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I can understand why, especially being
as young as he is, and with that in mind,
I know you still do. But do you let him
go back into the woods alone or have you put
a stop to that.
Speaker 1: I will not let him or his sister going into
that part of the woods alone period. I don't let
my husband go there alone, period. And I don't go
back to that spot alone period. I've been deer hunting.
It was probably within two miles of that area. That's
where I smelled that smell and got that bad feeling again.
But yeah, I haven't let anybody in my family go
back there alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you did, you'd be a nervous wreck, poor thing. Definitely, Yeah,
I bet you would be. Yeah, that's understandable. You told
him about dog men later on, but to try and
educate them on these guys. Do you ever watch documentaries
about them or shows or listen to podcasts?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for my son, the first thing that he found
was the beast from Land between the Lakes. I think
it's up in Kentucky. It's a little ways from us,
and it freaked them out pretty good. The legends and
the tales from that and the family having all those issues,
those people getting killed that scared him pretty bad, and
I think after that he kind of just started to
block it out. I'm really lost as what to do
for him on that since he found those things.
Speaker 2: Hmm, yeah, I wish you wouldn't have found those that's
way too much weight on young back. Yeah, that's not
the kind of thing you want a kid like that
to find out about when he's just getting his feet
wet and the whole dog mea phenomenon. If you'd like
for me to talk with him, if you'd like to
have me call so the three of us could have
a good conversation about all of this and time, then
by all means, please let me know. I'd love to
do that to try to help.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.
Speaker 1: Maybe that would help him with what he's saying, because,
like I said, the things that he pulled up, they
were pretty fear and tossing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can only imagine the things that have been
going through his head. That's not good. And also another
thing you might want to caution him on because he
is fourteen after all, he's got the bill Ladida consume
whatever he wants on YouTube and podcast or man cautioning
him to be very careful about what info he believes
about dog men that he hears in any of these
podcasts and any of these shoes, because there's a lot
of bad info floating around about these guys, and if
he gets ahold of the wrong info, that could do
a lot of harm instead of good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've pretty much told him all the years
I've spent out in the woods deer hunting, coon hunting, fishing,
that if something like that wanted to slaughter people and
was just a mindless killer, that I would have been
up there on the list.
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: As scary as it is, and it as nauseous as
it made me feel, I have told him, you know
that it's there are things out there that we can't explain.
To have an open mind, and you know, there's new
discoveries being made every day. He's got a very scientific mind.
He's a very intuitive child. And I've told him, you know,
not everything you see on the internet is true, and
I think he knows that. But that was the first
thing that he found when he looked up glowing eyes.
So it was kind of disheartening, But I am glad
as his mother that he has a respect and a
fear of predators out there, because you know, from black
bears to coyotes to dog man there are things out
there that are bigger and badder than we are, and
they need to be respected.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely they do. You don't have any mountain lions out.
Speaker 3: There, do you, Yes, we do. They are.
Speaker 1: Actually there's a population of them behind us in the mountain.
It's called Tacket Creek. It's a long mountain. It's actually
part of our backyard. It's the Appalachian Mountains, and there
is a population of red wolves that were turned loose
up there as a project by the TWR and Mountain Lions.
They also had some bald eagle populations that are thriving
now we see them all the time.
Speaker 3: Down by the river, it's beautiful. There's so much wildlife
down here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it sounds like you collect the whole set.
What don't you have running around there as far as
predators go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely a beautiful place. And down by
the river it's really untouched by man. I hope it
stays that way for generations to come well.
Speaker 2: And no wonder you have so many of them around.
Is that area where you had that dog men siting?
Is it noon for sasquatch encounters?
Speaker 1: There are people generations before me who have reported seeing
what we call down here wood boogers. But like I said,
the people who say that they've seen or heard wood boogers,
you know, people say that they're crazier or that they're demons.
Like I said, this is a big church going community.
It's a small rural town, and you know, things like that,
they're just they're really frowned on. And people who report
seeing things like that, they're just looked down on. And
it makes me sad seeing what I've seen and knowing
what I know now, it makes me sad for those people.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely. What really gets me is when a dog
man eyewitness reaches out to a Sasquatch researcher, and the
Sasquatch researcher comes out to the area where they have
their sighting, and eyewitness explains everything about what happened, and
at the end of the day, the Sasquatch researcher tries
to convince them No, it's a sasquatch that you saw.
There's no such thing as dog men. It really gets me.
There's some well known Sasquatch researchers who've done that. Eyewitnesses
have told me about what they've done, and shame on them.
That's not going to help anything. It really isn't. But
what really gets me even more so than that, are
the people who've never seen the Sasquatch and they wholeheartedly
believe in their existence. But they poo pooh the existence
of dog men. That's even worse. And those people they're
not few and far between in the community.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my husband, unfortunately, he may be one of them.
He wholeheartedly believes in sasquatch, but I really feel like
he doesn't believe what I saw was true. I think
he feels luck even though we've got pictures of those
yellow eyes and videos of it, he just chalks it
up to being something else. It's disheartening, it really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be disheartening. Yeah, here's a man that
you are married to and you love, and obviously that
experience really shook you up. Well, when you finally told
him about what happened to you, he rebuffs you shame
on him. Has that caused any friction in your marriage? Ah?
Speaker 1: It did a little bit at first, but we've been
married for almost sixteen years now, so you know, it's
just another hurdle that we crossed, and.
Speaker 3: He knows that in his mind.
Speaker 1: I think he thinks that I saw something, but you
know he I think he just chalks it up to
me imagining things. It's messed up because I'm not the
kind of person that sees things like that. You know,
I've been raised my whole life in the woods. I'm
as country as country gets, and you know, it's just
a little bit messed up, but we moved past it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thankingness you're able to do that. But did
him not believe in you? Did that slow down your
recovery about that dog men encounter?
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely it did. Absolutely, No, that's no surprise.
Speaker 2: When you have a significant other who you can tell
about your experience and you can bounce ideas off of
them and they can try to support you and be understanding,
that helps so much when it comes to coming to
terms with your encounter. When you have a significant other
who doesn't believe you, Yeah, that is just such a blow.
To anyone's recovery. It's just a shame at really is
you got a pretty good look at it. Did the
dog mean you saw that night seem to have any
pureanormal qualities or did it just seem to be a
flesh and blood creature out there trying to make a living.
Speaker 1: It's red eyes definitely struck me as paranormal, But the
musculature and the hair, the way it was hiding itself,
that struck me as a one physical creature like it
it didn't want me to see it. Maybe maybe it did,
I don't know, but to me, it seemed like it
was there and it didn't know I was going to
be there, and I just I just happened to see it.
And I really feel like maybe it was the actual creature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just might be. Although there really isn't any lack
of credible eyewitnesses who've reported seeing these guys do things
that point soundly towards them being paranormal or at least
having paranormal or supernatural abilities. So it really does make
you wonder when you do what I do, though, it's
only natural that you bounce back and forth from at
one moment you're convinced they must be paranormal beings from
the ether, and the next moment you think, okay, yeah,
they must just be flesh and blood. But it's really
hard to say. They might be aliens for all we know.
It's just really hard to say for sure, definitively what
they are, and that's pretty frustrating.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I still wonder to this day. Are they tangible
creatures that have always been there? And I really think
that's the basis of my nightmares. Are they actual creatures
and animals that have always been there?
Speaker 3: They've always been around.
Speaker 1: I've just never seen them by chance, and I just
happen to see it that one time, two times, or
if it's something paranormal, which is super scary to me
and those red eyes, I mean, it's thinking about it
being paranormal.
Speaker 3: It just freaks me plumb out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they're paranormal, then instead of being limited like
the rest of us, not having any special abilities, he
knows what the limits of their abilities are, so I
can understand why that would freak you out. That doesn't
give you the warm and fuzzies at all. We've talked
a good amount, especially when we had the first conversation
about your encounter in private their deb Borah, But I
never did ask you. I know your husband hasn't, but
have you ever seen a sasquatch yourself?
Speaker 3: I have not. I've been in the woods my entire life.
Speaker 1: I've been up on the mountaintops, up behind my house,
up and Tacket Creek, like as mountainous as you can get.
As a six year old little girl with my daddy,
coon hunting with our walker dogs and Bluetick hounds. I
never seen nothing. I never heard nothing that made me
think anything nonetheless. Other than just going coon hunting. My
teenage years, I was out in the woods, in the
wilderness by myself, sometimes with friends, never heard or seen anything.
Speaker 3: And then lo and behold.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thirty four years old and I seen
that thing. And then a couple of weeks later I
seen them oys. So you know, I try to keep
an open mind, but it does. It freaks me out
really bad.
Speaker 2: I get it. I understand if you had never seen
a sasquatch before when you saw the dog, mean that
night you and your husband were spotlighting trying to see
a sasquatch. What got into the whole sasquatch thing?
Speaker 1: We have actually been listening to different podcasts years included.
We've been listening to your podcast for a couple of years,
and you know, we've seen the Bigfoot TV series and
all that, and we figure we live in like the
most remote of the remote areas of northeastern Tennessee. So
we figured, if there's any place where something like that's
going to exist, it's definitely.
Speaker 3: Going to be down here.
Speaker 1: And hearing accounts from like my grandparents and the older
people that live in the area about seeing wood boogers
and whatnot, we figured we'd have a pretty good chance
of seeing one. But now I'm starting to wonder if
them wood boogers that people have seen our dog men
and not Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's entirely possible. And for everyone listening in the
live chat, now, how's the time to type any questions
you want me to ask Deborah in all caps that
way I don't miss them. But moving on, you told
us that the dog man was white, Deborah, but would
you describe its coat as being dirty, filthy or nice
and clean?
Speaker 1: It actually looked a little bit modeled, like it wasn't filthy,
like it had mange or anything, but it looked like
it had been wet, which made sense because it was
right next.
Speaker 3: To the river.
Speaker 1: It was I guess for the area. It was pretty clean.
I didn't see any dirt or any matted, mangy spots.
Speaker 3: It just looked wet.
Speaker 2: There's no rhyme nor reason. Some of these guys the
codes looked like they just left a beauty salon. Other
ones look like they're rolling around in the mud. But yeah,
like I said, there really is no rhyme nor reason.
It's just hard to know. Did it have its mouth
open or closed when you saw it?
Speaker 1: When I saw its face, its mouth was actually slightly
a gaatee. I could see its teeth. It had a
muzzle like a German shepherd.
Speaker 3: It was long.
Speaker 1: Its teeth were huge. They weren't like glistening white. They
were kind of yellow, like a German shepherd, I guess,
like an older dog. But its canons were huge, and
it actually, if I think about it, it looked like
it had two canons on the top, like a large
fame and a smaller one behind a large fame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that's a sight you're never going to forget. There,
I've got a question for you from one Aguilar, and
he wants to know have you taken any photos get
that posted here? Any photos or video footage?
Speaker 1: Yes, I have got photos and video footage of the
yellow eyes, those giant, yellow glowing eyes, that thing standing
up from the river bank. I've got video and photos.
I've gave photos of it to Vick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did see that photo. All you can see
in the photo are those eyes gluing like headlights. And yeah,
it makes you wonder if they're not emanating some light
of their own, It really does. The next question up
is from Jerry Cahill, and he wants to know why
do you think you felt fear in your husband? Didn't?
Speaker 1: Uh? Now that I don't know. I think it just
goes along with other people's sttings. Maybe I was in
the mind frame of I really didn't want to see
anything like that, and he wanted to see it so bad,
and I just happened to see it.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm one of the unlucky ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you might be unlucky in that way, but
in other regards maybe not. It's really hard to say
it is. The next question up for you is from
Jerry key Hill. He wants to know do you think
the coyotes were running with or from the dog man.
Speaker 1: Thinking back about it, I honestly think they were running
from the dog man. I don't know if it was
the dog man that I heard bay out like a coonhound.
Whatever it was that I heard bay out, it was big,
way bigger than a coyote.
Speaker 3: Just a sound of it and the depth the base
of its howl or.
Speaker 1: Bay whatever you want to call it, and the rocks
getting flung all over the place, and then the whole
KYOUDI pat going crazy. I really think they were running
from the dog man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably were. You're probably right about that. I've
got another question for you from Robert Wolf. He wants
to know can we see the photos? Well you can.
If Debrah says it's o key for me to post
that photo on my personal Facebook page, as long as
it's okay with her, then I'll do that. But Deborah,
there's no pressure for me to do that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Vic, I'm willing to share it with the world.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'll do that. Then I will post it
on my personal Facebook page. And people ask me all
the time, how are we going to know when we
find the right viccundiff on Facebook? You'll know, you'll definitely
know when you find the right Viccundiff profile, and that
is v C. See you in like Nancy? Do you
like David Iff? As in Frank Frank. It's really easy
to find. Moving on, the next question is from Tripping
New Pawn New and they want to know did the
coyotes stop howling when the dog mean out?
Speaker 1: Actually, when I heard the big thing bay out, the
coyote pack went rampant. They started squealing and screaming and
making all kinds of a mess a holler.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't believe they got super loud.
Speaker 1: They only went quiet when I heard the rocks flinging.
And keep in mind, these were not just like gravel rocks.
Speaker 3: These were like.
Speaker 1: Ten twelve pound stones. I could hear them plunging all
over the place. They stopped making noise then, but it
wasn't but a few moments later. I could hear them
squalling and hollering. I could feel, I could hear and
feel their feet digging up the dirt running. It sounded
like they were running from the rocks getting tousled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just might have been. You never know. The
next one up is from Candace Wetzell and Candace wants
to know, are you concerned the dog man has marked
you for tracking?
Speaker 3: That's a good question, that's a creepy one. I hope not.
Speaker 1: As somebody who spends a lot of time in the
woods alone fishing and hunting, I really hope not. But
from my time talking with Vic and just from what
I've experienced, I really think if I am marked, I
don't think that I'm gonna get hurt.
Speaker 3: Maybe they're just curious and wanting to watch me.
Speaker 1: Because if I was gonna be hurt, there's been a
bit opportunities, plus a bit Jullian that I could have
been one hundred percent disappeared from planet Earth. Nobody would
know what happened to me. So if if I was
going to be hurt by one of them things, it
would have done happened years ago.
Speaker 2: It's good you understand that. I talk with people all
the time. You just get it wrong. It's not their fault.
They just don't know. They don't understand dog men. And
also too, they're traumatized from their experiences, so they can't
see things clearly. But people who they step outside and
they see a dogman in their backyard twenty years ago
and they can't eat right, they can't sleep right, and
you talk with them to find out what's ailing them,
and they tell you how these dangerous dogmen are outside,
and ever since that sighting, I've done things to quote
unquote protect myself. Oh really, so you've been protecting yourself
from these dangerous monsters. What have you done? And then
they go on to tell you how they they don't
go deep into the woods unless it's a bright, sunny afternoon,
and all these other things. I never go outside after dark,
and they do all these other things that don't add
up to a hill of beans. I can understand them
trying to do these things for just comfort, but at
their core, they really don't protect them in any way
from a dog man that's got it in its mind
that it wants to take them out. They wouldn't be
any safer in their basements at three pm in the afternoon.
Then they would be at three am in the middle
of the night with the blindfold on way out in
the woods behind their homes. If the dog men in
the area around their homes, if those dogmen want to
get them, they can come through any wall their house
and get them if they want it to. But the
great news is that hasn't happened because they don't want
to do that, plain and simple. Moving on, the next
question is from Beatrice Ward, and Beatrice wants to know
can we hear the recorded sound of what she heard?
Would you be okay with me posting that on my
Facebook page? Also, and understand I can't stress it enough
their deb broh, there's no pressure to do. That is
totally up to you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I will make sure you get that video footage.
Like I said, it was at the tail end of
the kyote pack and once them started slinging, they all
just got like super quiet. But yeah, absolutely, And kind
of going into the last question, I'm familiar with firearms,
Like I said, I've been brought up in the South.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a huntress.
Speaker 1: I've spent my life hunting, fishing, and I know in
the pit of my heart what I say if it
did want to get me, and I don't think that
it does based on what I've experienced so far. I
always carry a forty five Springfield with me, and when
I'm deer hunting, I carry at thirty at six and
those weapons would be no match for what I saw,
like point blank and simple at thirty at six that's
a high powered rifle. At a drop of moose and
a heartbeat, it wouldn't be a match for it. So
you know, I'm just going to take my gut filling
all night. If I was going to be harmed, I
would have done been harmed. But yeah, I will definitely
send you that recording.
Speaker 2: Vic, that's the case. I'll take that recording in by
early afternoon tomorrow at the latest. I'll have the photo
and that recording posted on my personal Facebook page. I've
never posted a recording before. That's just in the form
of an MP three or something like that, but I'll
try to make sure I get that. I'll taken care
of it the latest by early afternoon tomorrow and get
both of those posted again, V I c c you
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Frank Frank Kundiff on Facebook? And again you won't have
any trouble telling which one is the right vik Kundiff account.
Here's a good question for you from Jerry Cahill, and
Jerry wants to know do people go missing around there
very often?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Actually yes. In the past we've blamed it on the
numerous cave systems in the area. In this portion of
northeastern Tennessee, we have a lot, and when I say
a lot, I mean a lot of cave systems. A
lot of them are undiscovered or untraveled, undocumented. I hear
it every day on Facebook Instagram. People go coon hunt
and their dogs just suddenly drop from the ground where
a cave system opens up. I wonder if these things
use the cave system. There are so many caves in
the area, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: They probably do use them. I wouldn't be surprised he had.
That whole area has got so many resources that lend
themselves to making it a holiday in for these guys.
It's no wonder so many people see dog men and
sasquatch in that area. It really isn't a surprise at all.
I've got another good question for you from Jerry. Jerry
wants to know how close did the rocks get to you.
Do you think it was trying to hit you or
just scare you off.
Speaker 1: I don't think the rocks were trying to hit me
or scare me off. It sounded like they were being
tossled at the coyote pack. From my perspective, they were
very big rocks. I'm not a small woman. I'm six
foot tall, almost two hundred pounds, and to whiz the
those stones at the velocity that I heard them flying around,
it would have taken everything in me just to do
one or two. And I heard like six or seven
of them, So I don't think it was towards me.
I think it was whizz and stones at the coyotes.
Speaker 2: You're probably right, that's probably what was going on. This
next question is from Michigan meat Eater, and he wants
to know have any neighbors seen or heard anything near you?
Speaker 1: Yes, there are some old timers in this little farming
community who have made reports of seeing wh wood boogers.
You know, Like I said previously, I think the reports
may have been dog men and not bigfoot. But you know,
when there's a report made of a wood booger, everybody
always thinks bigfoot. I really think they were reporting the
dog man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just might have been. You never know, there's
every possibility that's the case. This next one is from
Steven Truth Seeker, and Stephen wants to know has the
dogman followed the lady home on the astro realm, which
I think he's asking about I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh you're final. I'm so sorry. I really hope not.
I really really hope not. If that's the case, that
would explain my not mayor so, I I really hope
my not Marris are just because of my subconscious But
I hope that thing ain't followed me home.
Speaker 2: Did you and your husband go straight home after you spot?
Why did that night or go someplace else?
Speaker 3: We came straight home?
Speaker 2: How far was that spot from your home?
Speaker 3: Maybe three miles?
Speaker 2: Three miles? Okay, well it might have followed you home.
It might not. But if it did follow you home,
it's had every opportunity since May. Think about that May
nineteenth is at every opportunity to harm you. You've been mowing,
you've been doing things outside. Not that you're any safer
outside your home than you are inside your home from
one of these things. It goes back to the point,
is that every opportunity to harm you, it's good you
understand that even though it's had all these opportunities, there's
one reason, and one reason only why it hasn't harmed you,
because it doesn't want to. So please never lose sight
of that fact. I've got another one for you from
JS Skillett, I'm sorry, Jay's Skillet to eighty nine. They
want to know, do you think a fifty caliber Beale
Wolf would stop one.
Speaker 3: Fifty caliber? Maybe? Luck?
Speaker 1: Just coming from my past experience, Like I said, you know,
I'm an avid huntress. I've took down some big game
animals in my day. Maybe if you shot one right
in the eye, maybe, But the way that this thing
was built, the one with the red eyes that I
could clearly see, you would have to be a quick shot,
and a good one. Because it was made it's musculature
and it's it's physique like it was made to eat speed.
You would have to be one heck of a good shot.
Speaker 2: It's good to not lose sight of that fact. So
many people strap a gun on when they know that
a dog men's in an area and they consider it good. Okay,
I've got a gun, so I'm safe. Well, Number one,
they have no clue how they're going to respond under pressure,
the kind of pressure when a dog man's right there
and you can see it and you're not sure what
it's got in mind? And number two, do they even
have the ability to be accurate with whatever they're carrying?
There's so many variables. It goes so much above and
beyond just strapping a gun to your hip or carrying
one in your hands, as far as protecting yourself. There's
so much more that goes into it than so many
people consider there really is. I'm going to ask you
one more question, and this question is from Patrick from
the NADP. He wants to know if you ever heard
of the dwio being mentioned there in the area.
Speaker 1: No, that's completely new to me. I would love to
know what that is and what it's about.
Speaker 2: Well, the dwio, that's normally what dogmen are called in
South America, but in certain areas of Central America also,
But apparently maybe they're called that in Tennessee and some
other places in the United States. I guess if that's
the case, that's news to me. I didn't know that,
But people in different areas. I mean, there's so many
nicknames for these cryptids, sasquatch. A lot of people don't
know that. A lot of people in the South call
them haints, call them no heads, catamounts, all these other nicknames.
Dog men, they've got their nicknames too. That acquired a
lot of people and various regions don't know about so
it's really hard to say what they're called in any
given area, I guess. But having said all that, I
can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the
details of these experiences with this, Deborah. I really do
appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you having me on the show. And
I really thank everybody for their questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really did have some good questions tonight, they
really did. But please remember if you ever do need
more help, I'll always be there for you. All I
have to do is just let me know and I'll
be there for you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Vig. I appreciate it more than
you know.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. You're welcome. That's what I'm here. But yeah,
thanks again for your time there, Deborah, and have a
great night you two.
Speaker 3: Vat, thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. We'll see. Well, that's another one in
the books before I get out of here. If you've
had a Dogman encounter of your own that you need
help with, or maybe you want to just be a
guest on the show, all you have to do is
to go to Dogmanancounters dot com and submit a report.
If you do that, then I'd be more than happy
to contact you and schedule a film consultation with you
so we can just take it from there. But having
said that, thanks again so much everyone for listening, for
supporting these eyewitnesses and all you do. I really appreciate it,
and have a great night, or as English