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Speaker 1: you would expect this time of year, a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything going on. The Pro football weekend came to
Speaker 1: an end last night with a Monday night football double header,
Speaker 1: one really entertaining game and then one game that you
Speaker 1: know was close in the end, but you kind of
Speaker 1: feel bad for those two quarterbacks, Justin Herbert as well
Speaker 1: as Kyler Murray. But Lamar Jackson is insanely entertaining twenty
Speaker 1: straight touchdown passes without a pick on Monday night football.
Speaker 1: That's a record. The Bucks came back late and made
Speaker 1: it interesting. They essentially wasted too much time at the end,
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Speaker 1: weekend behind us. Look at you a little Thursday night football.
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Speaker 1: will start. I cannot believe it, but week eight, oh
Speaker 1: pro football is already here and it's the Vikings and
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Speaker 1: Rams getting better. By the way. They did announce today
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Speaker 1: for Puka Nakua as it looks like he is getting
Speaker 1: closer and closer to making his return for the Rams.
Speaker 1: So little pro football in the show. How about the
Speaker 1: NBA it is back? Are you excited? You're going to
Speaker 1: talk about it today? A little bit? Obviously? The Jazz
Speaker 1: get rolling tomorrow. Nick Celtics will be the early game
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Speaker 1: the deal. I always have this conversation this time of year.
Speaker 1: Are we a Jazz market or are we an NBA market?
Speaker 1: Most people still in football mode. You understand that for
Speaker 1: the NBA is back tonight and you should watch Turner
Speaker 1: this year for no other reason that this is the
Speaker 1: last year Charles Barkley and inside the NBA on TNT
Speaker 1: will be a part of our lives now. They could
Speaker 1: come back with some sort of different version, but Chuck
Speaker 1: is usually on filter. This year he might get fired
Speaker 1: for just going crazy on air, so cannot wait for that.
Speaker 1: As the NBA's back, the Jazz is going to take
Speaker 1: on the Grizzlies, come it out tomorrow. I was on
Speaker 1: my guy JP Chunga's podcast today Roundball Round Up on
Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz podcast network, previewing the season ahead. Had
Speaker 1: my fantasy basketball draft last night. Number one pick Victor
Speaker 1: wembin Yama on Team Stark. Starks got ejected. No big deal,
Speaker 1: so pump for that basketball is back. Of course, we
Speaker 1: will get to the college football storyline mines that have
Speaker 1: dominated the local airwaves on both radio and television over
Speaker 1: the past well couple of months, and Utah football the
Speaker 1: latest with the change offensive coordinator. We heard a lot
Speaker 1: of sound after practice yesterday. We're going to bring some
Speaker 1: of that back around. Should Tom Allow from some players
Speaker 1: and coaches talking about Mike Pajaki and what he is
Speaker 1: tasked to do. An unenviable position in my opinion. As
Speaker 1: he said, look, the system is installed, it is what
Speaker 1: it is, and make some wrinkles here there. How much
Speaker 1: of a difference can he make? It's hard to know.
Speaker 1: But Utah heads to Houston. It's a slight favorite on
Speaker 1: the road. EYU heads to Orlando, the happiest place on Earth,
Speaker 1: as a slight favorite over UCF. They're a two point favorite.
Speaker 1: Y you looking to extend that unbeaten start to the season.
Speaker 1: So lot going on hockey club and action tonight against Ottawa,
Speaker 1: RSL playoff match coming up a week from tonight against
Speaker 1: Minnesota and a little bit of everything kind of colliding
Speaker 1: right now which makes a lot of fun. Our first
Speaker 1: guest will be Scott Mitchell, Utah quarterback, and we'll ask
Speaker 1: Scott to walk us through the changes on staff of
Speaker 1: what could mean for the season. We'll continue the Utah
Speaker 1: Football Conversation with Stevens and Sylvester. Amy Donaldson will stop
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Speaker 1: The Making of a Moment, and then Nate Orchard Jake
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Speaker 1: How does he feel about the current day of the utes.
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Speaker 1: Dave last night at ten thirty five km YU. We
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Speaker 1: So the big storyline of course here locally when it
Speaker 1: comes to the college football world, well a couple of them,
Speaker 1: certainly one is about BYU and this incredible magical season
Speaker 1: they've had so far and will it continue? Coming up
Speaker 1: this weekend in Orlando, we'll talk some BYU football at
Speaker 1: some point, but of course, up this way, it's about
Speaker 1: where we continue to find ourselves with the Utah football
Speaker 1: program after all of these insane preseason projections. Where we
Speaker 1: sit here today and during cross talk earlier Sean O'Connell,
Speaker 1: Sean made a comment that just hit me right across
Speaker 1: the face. We were talking about it, and you guys
Speaker 1: have heard. We had Bill on yesterday, you sly on
Speaker 1: coming up in just a little bit. I'm wondering what
Speaker 1: people who will cover Utah football, who care about Utah football,
Speaker 1: even you as a fan, if you're listening to the program,
Speaker 1: you're a ute fan. I want you to think about this.
Speaker 1: What are you willing to continue to say about Utah
Speaker 1: football today as far as what is still on the table.
Speaker 1: Because you can get creative and create a path for
Speaker 1: something other than some throwaway game, you can do that.
Speaker 1: Are you willing to And Sean said no. At this point,
Speaker 1: he said they're probably going to go to a bowl game,
Speaker 1: and then he paused and said, if they qualify for one,
Speaker 1: and I can't believe that's on the table based off
Speaker 1: of what we thought this team would be during the preseason,
Speaker 1: because they do have a path if you want to
Speaker 1: get creative when it comes to head to head against
Speaker 1: BYU Colorado and Iowa State. Okay, So, by all incounts
Speaker 1: and purposes, you can hate it all you want. BYU,
Speaker 1: Colorado Iowa State are three of probably the four best
Speaker 1: teams in the Big Twelve, right, And you know, it's
Speaker 1: tough for me to stretch my imagination to have all
Speaker 1: of these teams get stung as many times as they
Speaker 1: need to get stung, even if Utah beats all three
Speaker 1: of them. That's the problem. Look, I still am holding
Speaker 1: out confidence in a coaching staff that I've seen turn
Speaker 1: teams around several times that what we've seen so far
Speaker 1: is not close to what the team can be. I
Speaker 1: am still in that space. You might call me delusional
Speaker 1: or crazy, and I might not say you're wrong. That's
Speaker 1: just in the space. That's the space that I continue
Speaker 1: to be in, at least as of today now. As
Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday, if they go down to Houston,
Speaker 1: Mike Bajaki and the new play caller, if they go
Speaker 1: down to Houston, by all accounts and purposes, one of,
Speaker 1: if not the worst teams in the entire Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: even though they just beat TCU. If they go down
Speaker 1: to Houston and it looks the same and they can't
Speaker 1: move the ball and Isaac is not making the right
Speaker 1: reads and they're not converting on third down, but they're
Speaker 1: sustaining some drive here there, but they can't score touchdowns
Speaker 1: and they settle for field goals. If we are sitting
Speaker 1: here Monday of next week and it's the same thing,
Speaker 1: then I think it's fair to have a conversation about
Speaker 1: what other changes need to go down. But until something
Speaker 1: like that happens, and I'm not saying it's been good,
Speaker 1: I'm not that delusional. Until I see, you know, another
Speaker 1: scenario where it's just completely flat, I will continue to
Speaker 1: stay in the space based off the talent I believe
Speaker 1: that's on the roster and the coaching staff that has
Speaker 1: earned the benefit of the doubt to figure this thing out.
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in the space that it can
Speaker 1: and potentially will look much different. I don't know how
Speaker 1: much I credit that to the offensive coordinator change though,
Speaker 1: and Mike Baijenkan spoke to the media yesterday. If you
Speaker 1: missed it ESPN seven hundred Sports dot com, that's where
Speaker 1: you go to find it ed. He essentially said, look
Speaker 1: like the systems the system. Mike is not coming to
Speaker 1: Utah from Northwestern yesterday. He's not coming to Utah from
Speaker 1: Tennessee a week ag go. He's not coming in to
Speaker 1: install a new system. Nor would you do that mid
Speaker 1: season when you're dealing with eighteen to twenty four, twenty
Speaker 1: five year olds. So it makes sense to elevate from within.
Speaker 1: How much simply will a new voice reverberate? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like that's a cliche that means nothing.
Speaker 1: And Mike doesn't have anything at his disposal that Andy
Speaker 1: didn't have. And Andy's pedigree, all due respect, is much
Speaker 1: more impressive than anything Mike has ever done. I'm not
Speaker 1: meeting that as a knock. I mean, if Andy can't
Speaker 1: figure it out, how confident are you that Mike can't?
Speaker 1: And that's not a knock on him. I'm just not
Speaker 1: sure that this is the type of change that will
Speaker 1: lead to, you know, wholesale changes. My confidence isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: because of the change. That's the big story. I continue
Speaker 1: to lean into the talent that I believe they have
Speaker 1: when healthy, and that includes Isaac, and we've seen moments
Speaker 1: from Isaac. We haven't seen anything extended, and there are
Speaker 1: a myriad of reasons for that, and maybe the play
Speaker 1: calling is one of them, and maybe Mike has some
Speaker 1: sort of quarterback idea that Andy that's hard for me
Speaker 1: to believe.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 1: The positive space I continue to stay in stay on
Speaker 1: is It's the main reason why we all thought there
Speaker 1: were gonna be awesome all year. There is a lot
Speaker 1: of talent on this roster. These are coaches that have
Speaker 1: turned seasons around before, and while the schedule is a
Speaker 1: little bit more difficult than we anticipated, they're not world
Speaker 1: beaters in front of them. I think there are questions
Speaker 1: about BYU that I still want answered. They're awesome and
Speaker 1: they deserve their flowers, and they're undefeated, and that's all
Speaker 1: that matters. No matter how you get the win, you
Speaker 1: survive in advance. And there's an emphatic period full stop.
Speaker 1: At the end of that statement, I'm not implying that
Speaker 1: they haven't answered questions. I'm just saying there are some
Speaker 1: data points available where they clearly have been fortuitous on
Speaker 1: a number of occasions now so win championships. Luck is
Speaker 1: part of the equation every single time, whether it's luck
Speaker 1: with your own health, luck that maybe the other team
Speaker 1: is suffering from injuries, whatever it is, luck is part
Speaker 1: of the thing. So I don't bring it up as
Speaker 1: a knock. I just bring it up as if there's
Speaker 1: a game that is even with the luck factor. If
Speaker 1: there's a game where balls don't bounce byus way every
Speaker 1: single time, they're winning the turnover battle every week. That
Speaker 1: can't happen all year. Maybe it does, and if it does,
Speaker 1: Kloane gets all the awards in a game where luck
Speaker 1: is not part of the equation, where there aren't crazy bounces, turnovers,
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty eight yard part returns for touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and it's simply old school head to head football. What
Speaker 1: does that look like against a really good team. I
Speaker 1: still think that's a fair question to ask about BYU
Speaker 1: and Colorado has answered a lot of questions as well,
Speaker 1: But I do feel like that trip too Boulder is
Speaker 1: not insurmountable. Utah and Iowa State are very similar. And
Speaker 1: then on the road to tend the season at UCF,
Speaker 1: they've lost three straight games like yes, this is not
Speaker 1: as easy as we thought. And BYU Colorado and Iowa State,
Speaker 1: by all accounts, are three of the four best teams
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve. But I don't view this the
Speaker 1: rest of the way as something that's completely impossible. I know,
Speaker 1: I sound crazy, based off the data that we have.
Speaker 1: By every metric, this is a bottom five offense in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve with every metric outside of rushing, where
Speaker 1: I think they're ninth, third down, first down, red zone, passing,
Speaker 1: like protecting the quarterback. You know, ultimately, this is not
Speaker 1: an offense right now that's scored very high. Right So
Speaker 1: I get the skepticism. The defense has been good, not dominant,
Speaker 1: dominant in some areas. They need to get healthy too.
Speaker 1: I just I have not jumped off the ship as
Speaker 1: of yet, I guess, is what I'm saying and talking
Speaker 1: to Sean earlier when he said the most likely scenario
Speaker 1: is they're going to play in a meaningless bowl game
Speaker 1: and then pause and said if they qualify for one,
Speaker 1: just hit me like a ton of bricks, and like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they were here talking about Utah football
Speaker 1: this way. But like I said, unless they go to
Speaker 1: Houston and it looks exactly the same, and they cannot
Speaker 1: move the football, and Isaac looks confused, and the play
Speaker 1: calling is is a fuddling. If that happens, I think
Speaker 1: we have a different conversation next week about a quarterback change,
Speaker 1: if you need one. What's going on above the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinators pay grade. But as of now, I still remain
Speaker 1: in the space where I think there's some hope for
Speaker 1: something special left for Utah football. I just don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. Football hits the road coming up this
Speaker 1: weekend as a slide favorite taking on Houston. We'll get
Speaker 1: back to some of the BYU stuff as well as
Speaker 1: they look to continue there undefeated start of the season
Speaker 1: against ucf Inn Orlando. But time now for our weekly
Speaker 1: conversation with one of the best to ever do it
Speaker 1: at the University of Utah, former igute and NFL player,
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell. On a Tuesday, Scott, Happy Tuesday, man, How
Speaker 1: are we doing?
Speaker 5: Not bad? You know, I'm working through the week here,
Speaker 5: some interesting developments up on the hill there, but you
Speaker 5: know it's going to be a new look.
Speaker 1: It is it is, and you're the guy for this.
Speaker 1: So we heard from Mike Bajaki and yesterday during media
Speaker 1: availability for the first time Scott and it's not surprising
Speaker 1: he said this, but he said, look, the system is
Speaker 1: in place, Like the system is the system, and they're
Speaker 1: going to be minor tweaks here there. But this is
Speaker 1: not an outside hire. This isn't an OC coming from
Speaker 1: cal or something. This is somebody who's been in house
Speaker 1: and came here to work for Andy. So what's reasonable
Speaker 1: to expect, Scott in your experience from this new play caller?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, with not having a lot of time
Speaker 5: to like implement what you do. I mean, if you're
Speaker 5: a coach, you kind of have your ideas, you have
Speaker 5: your philosophy. He's been around a lot of places, He's
Speaker 5: been exposed to a lot of different offensive philosophies and stuff,
Speaker 5: and the reality is is they're all not really that dissimilar.
Speaker 5: It's just kind of how you call things and the
Speaker 5: verbiage of things is different, but the concepts of offense
Speaker 5: are relatively the same. And so, you know, I think
Speaker 5: he's got a pretty good handle on what Utah does.
Speaker 5: And he's smart, and it sounds like he's smart enough
Speaker 5: to realize, you know, you not going to change a
Speaker 5: whole lot here as far as you know the system,
Speaker 5: it may be some of the plays in the system.
Speaker 5: Maybe he might see that, Look, the tight ends haven't
Speaker 5: been very involved in this. Dorian Singer, money Park. Some
Speaker 5: of these really good receivers, you know, have been limited
Speaker 5: in what they're doing, you know, from the passing game.
Speaker 5: Might sit down with Isaac Wilson and say, look, you know,
Speaker 5: let's really be honest here and let's talk about what
Speaker 5: you really like and you're really comfortable with, because we
Speaker 5: got to get you going, we got to get you confident,
Speaker 5: we've got to get you out there. So maybe it's
Speaker 5: it's you know, kind of when and what kind of
Speaker 5: calls and who they go to, and maybe some personnel
Speaker 5: groups change, but the basic core of the offense, they'd
Speaker 5: be extremely foolish to just change all that because then
Speaker 5: no one's going to know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Robbie Berry, the lead, I should just ask you your
Speaker 1: reaction when you heard Coach Luod stepped away and your
Speaker 1: reaction to kind of how this played out of the
Speaker 1: course of about, you know, forty eight hours.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's something that's been short It
Speaker 5: certainly felt like something was brewing for some time and
Speaker 5: why that is, I you know, I don't know whether
Speaker 5: it was that Cam Rising hadn't come back. I mean,
Speaker 5: if you look at the very beginning of the season
Speaker 5: and you you know, Cam Rising plays half a game,
Speaker 5: looks great, throws five touchdown passes, next game against Baylor,
Speaker 5: they just come out there, they're just really on the
Speaker 5: same page and they're clicking. And then Cam gets injured
Speaker 5: and then it just didn't look good after that. And
Speaker 5: I think this season would be completely different if that
Speaker 5: wasn't the case and Cam was was available. But you know,
Speaker 5: it's not that way. And for me, you know, my
Speaker 5: feeling just personal feeling about it and my you know,
Speaker 5: to answer your question about you know, what's my my
Speaker 5: feeling about it, it's it's never fun. Like I've been
Speaker 5: through this as a player. I had a coach in
Speaker 5: the NFL just quit. Bruce Koslk quit after the third
Speaker 5: game of the year when I was with the Cincinnati
Speaker 5: Bengals my first year there. And that was horrible, you know,
Speaker 5: because because you you have there's so much time that
Speaker 5: goes into the preparation of things that to have someone quit,
Speaker 5: it's just really hard to kind of pull everything together
Speaker 5: and on top of it, you develop a relationship with people.
Speaker 5: We spent a lot of time with them. We sit
Speaker 5: in there. You spend a lot of time sitting in meetings,
Speaker 5: and you have practices, and you're in games, and you know,
Speaker 5: you go to a hotel every weekend and you have
Speaker 5: meetings in that hotel as you while you're waiting for
Speaker 5: the games, you know, and and and as you're preparing
Speaker 5: for things, and you I mean, you spend a lot
Speaker 5: of time and and you've developed these relationships and and
Speaker 5: when it ends, you know, it feels somewhat like a death.
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's it's not a pleasant thing. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, no matter what, now, there may be some
Speaker 5: guys right now that are like tickle pink because because
Speaker 5: there's no coach that everyone loves them, and there may
Speaker 5: be guys that go, Okay, maybe I'll get a shot
Speaker 5: to be more involved in things now. I don't know.
Speaker 5: But but there's always that side of it too. And regardless,
Speaker 5: it's just it's just not a good situation. It's a
Speaker 5: bad look and it's it's just a bad thing to
Speaker 5: be to be a part of.
Speaker 1: So from a quarterback's perspective, let's hone in now on Isaac,
Speaker 1: you know. And Isaac was interviewed yesterday after practice, and
Speaker 1: I always forget how young he is until I see
Speaker 1: his face. I'm like, oh, my gosh, he is a child.
Speaker 1: And he almost looked emotional when talking about Andy. So
Speaker 1: I came here to play for Andy Ludwig. And then
Speaker 1: he said the things you're supposed to say about full
Speaker 1: faith and buying in and such. But eighteen years old,
Speaker 1: and you know, a month and a half into his
Speaker 1: first college football season, he's already into his second offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: What do you hope to see in response from Isaac
Speaker 1: can help us understand maybe what's going through his head
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 5: Well, it's hard. It's hard. I imagine it'd be really
Speaker 5: hard for Isaac because he is so young, you know,
Speaker 5: and that maturity level to deal with something this you know,
Speaker 5: grand and dramatic and that that's hard, you know, to deal with.
Speaker 5: And and you do, I mean, you know, I I
Speaker 5: think of my coaches when I was at Utah and
Speaker 5: and and I love the system we were in and
Speaker 5: I couldn't imagine being in anything other than than than
Speaker 5: that system. And it was it was awesome, and uh
Speaker 5: and and to have that kind of be ripped apart
Speaker 5: that that would that would be a little bit earth shattering.
Speaker 5: And I think there's maybe some recruiting that needs to
Speaker 5: go on, uh with with the new coordinator and maybe
Speaker 5: coach Whittingham about you know, keeping Isaac happy and and
Speaker 5: and confident, because the thing that has to happen is
Speaker 5: Isaac Wilson's got to get comfortable, and he's got to
Speaker 5: get confident, and he's got to get productive in what's
Speaker 5: happening with this with whatever is going on in their
Speaker 5: offense up there. That just that just has to happen
Speaker 5: because him touching the ball as much as he does
Speaker 5: in a game, he has such an impact on what
Speaker 5: what's going to happen in a game. You've got to
Speaker 5: get that guy really comfortable and really really confident. And
Speaker 5: I and I've said this before and I really believe it.
Speaker 5: There needs to be a discussion and like, you don't
Speaker 5: need all of the plays in the playbook. You know,
Speaker 5: everyone says it's the full playbook available to this player,
Speaker 5: and it's like that's a that's I don't think that's
Speaker 5: a really responsible statement. It should be are the plays
Speaker 5: available that Isaac's really confident in running and executing available?
Speaker 5: Is that available? And what is that? And and it's
Speaker 5: it might be hard for an eighteen year old kid
Speaker 5: to say, yeah, this is what I really like, you know,
Speaker 5: cause you know, be having a mature because he may
Speaker 5: just say, well, I like everything, I don't care he
Speaker 5: just call it. I'll just all just run it kind
Speaker 5: of thing. But you really don't like everything, and so
Speaker 5: there just has to be that kind of conversation going
Speaker 5: back and forth about Okay, what do you really like?
Speaker 5: What can you really do here? And Mike pa Jacian
Speaker 5: is a guy that you know, he's been around a
Speaker 5: lot of places and you know, and and so he
Speaker 5: should have and he's been the quarterback coach, so there
Speaker 5: is that relationship there, and he should have a pulse
Speaker 5: at least on the players and what's what they can
Speaker 5: do and what they can work with. And maybe he's
Speaker 5: had a perspective on why this hasn't worked and maybe
Speaker 5: he has a good solution. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 5: know anything about him, but you know, I would I
Speaker 5: would hope that, you know, he has an ability to
Speaker 5: at least put them in a position to be more
Speaker 5: productive than they've been. I mean that shouldn't be too
Speaker 5: hard because they've been terrible.
Speaker 1: Sure, so let's dig in there, and your last part
Speaker 1: is the best point. I mean, there's nowhere to go
Speaker 1: but up, because if it gets worse, then other questions
Speaker 1: need to be asked that I don't think people are
Speaker 1: ready for. But so let me follow up though about
Speaker 1: what you just said concerning Mike Jakian, because look, Andy
Speaker 1: Ludwig's resume is far superior to Mike's. I'm not bringing
Speaker 1: that up as a knock. You know, Northwestern offense his
Speaker 1: final three seasons, they're ranking total offense one twentieth, one
Speaker 1: twenty third, and one twenty fourth in yards per play.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time I'm understanding. Like Mike says yesterday,
Speaker 1: the system is the system. I have a hard time
Speaker 1: understanding what Mike can figure out that Andy Ludwig couldn't.
Speaker 1: Can you help me understand that? Or is it simply
Speaker 1: just a new voice? Oftentimes when I hear they need
Speaker 1: a new voice, I'm like, that feels like an excuse
Speaker 1: for players not executing him playing hard, Like, how real
Speaker 1: is it when it's just a new voice? And what
Speaker 1: can he figure out that a guy like Andy Ludwig
Speaker 1: apparently could not.
Speaker 5: Well, Okay, there's a lot of like speculation, I'm about
Speaker 5: ready to say because because I don't I don't know
Speaker 5: that anyone knows that answer. But like, and I'm just
Speaker 5: talking about the situation. I'm not talking about, you know,
Speaker 5: does he does he have better answers than Andy Ludwig.
Speaker 5: I mean, look at what Andy Ludwig did. I mean,
Speaker 5: he helped Utah win a couple of conference championships. He
Speaker 5: he coached in some big games, he helped him to
Speaker 5: an undefeated and he's had the longest tenure with Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 5: He's been a very successful coordinator. But why did he quit?
Speaker 5: And did and did he really quit? You know, or
Speaker 5: were there other other circumstances that maybe forced him to
Speaker 5: quit and and and that That's that's a long conversation
Speaker 5: if we're going to get into that one. But uh so, so,
Speaker 5: maybe it's not you know, it's it's just like Kyle's
Speaker 5: probably going, this is the best I can come up
Speaker 5: with in a short period of time. I can't go
Speaker 5: out and find someone to do this. It's the guy
Speaker 5: that's probably had the most experienced calling plays that uh,
Speaker 5: you know, that's on our staff. I mean, if you
Speaker 5: look at their offensive staff. I mean the other guy
Speaker 5: that may you know is a Jim Harding. I mean
Speaker 5: Jim Harding. I don't know if he's ever been a coordinator,
Speaker 5: because it's a different thing, Like it's like, okay, what
Speaker 5: what player are you going to call here? And what
Speaker 5: what player are you gonna call here? And uh, you
Speaker 5: know if you if you haven't had experience with it,
Speaker 5: and I mean, it's you know, it's a it's it
Speaker 5: can be a thing. I mean, you know, for me,
Speaker 5: when I played, I I knew what I liked. Like
Speaker 5: I I was taught that from a very early standpoint,
Speaker 5: what do you like on first down? And why? What
Speaker 5: do you like on third and short? What do you
Speaker 5: like in the red zone? What do you like in
Speaker 5: all these situations? But I understood what I liked and
Speaker 5: I understood why I liked it. I don't know that
Speaker 5: that they're they're there yet with it, but I think
Speaker 5: they're just trying to do the best with the circumstances
Speaker 5: that they're in. I don't you know that. I don't
Speaker 5: know if it's going to be better or worse, but
Speaker 5: I think that's that's just where it goes. Because I
Speaker 5: to answer your question in the simple terms, I don't
Speaker 5: think he does know more about what what's a better
Speaker 5: option than than Andy Ludwig.
Speaker 1: At this point I got to follow up Scott, because
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're saying a lot without saying the thing.
Speaker 1: So I mean, we're in the space. That's the great
Speaker 1: thing about sports socc radio. It's not a tweet and
Speaker 1: it's not a column. You can talk about the possibilities.
Speaker 1: So when you're going in that gray area where you
Speaker 1: stop short of actually saying the thing, what's the thing
Speaker 1: you want to say, it's okay to say the thing
Speaker 1: you want to say.
Speaker 5: Well, well, let's talk about Okay, let's talk about a scenario.
Speaker 5: Coach Whittingham isn't going to coach forever. They named a
Speaker 5: coach in waiting, and in Morgan Scalley, and Morgan Scalley.
Speaker 5: Maybe Morgan Scalley goes and he's not my guy, and
Speaker 5: maybe Kyle and and and again. I hate this, but
Speaker 5: this is pure speculation. Okay, this is not I don't
Speaker 5: know anything. I don't know a thing. Okay, just so
Speaker 5: we're clear, But it's just it's just my brain thinking
Speaker 5: about this, and clearly the offense isn't working, and so
Speaker 5: maybe it's like, well, let's give someone else to try here,
Speaker 5: a fresh face, a new face, and see what you
Speaker 5: know then, because maybe maybe this might be coach Whittingham's
Speaker 5: last year, and maybe he's kind of he's the one
Speaker 5: that's going to take the bullet for this, and so
Speaker 5: so Morgan doesn't have to down the road and Morgan
Speaker 5: can kind of go, yeah, I like this guy. I
Speaker 5: think he's got a chance here or or then Morgan
Speaker 5: maybe next year, Morgan, if he's the coach goes. I
Speaker 5: know that I'm going to have to look somewhere else
Speaker 5: to get an offensive coordinator. I mean, it's a scenario.
Speaker 5: It's just my opinion. It's not anything I know. But
Speaker 5: there's a lot of reasons why they make a change
Speaker 5: or made a change, and that certainly could be could
Speaker 5: be one of them. That's all. That's really what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that that's that far fetched. And
Speaker 1: it's also simply fair to say there are contractual ramifications
Speaker 1: to terminology when somebody is no longer employed. And it's
Speaker 1: different if you say he stepped down as opposed to
Speaker 1: he's fired, So look like you, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever seen coach wit be as
Speaker 1: front facing about potential changes as he was. You know,
Speaker 1: during media after the game, you could see the frustration.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not saying that that was a
Speaker 1: decision there was anyone other than Andy's. You know, Buya
Speaker 1: is on accord, because that's what we've been told. But
Speaker 1: we've been told a lot of things that aren't necessarily true.
Speaker 1: And I do think it's fair to wonder whether or
Speaker 1: not this was a change that was gently forced upon
Speaker 1: him as opposed to completely being left in his own hands.
Speaker 1: That's fine to wonder aloud whether or not that's the case.
Speaker 5: Well, it looks you know, it looks good from the outside, like, hey,
Speaker 5: we weren't getting it done. I'm responsible for that, so
Speaker 5: I need to step down. And maybe that helps you
Speaker 5: moving forward, you know, getting a new job, as opposed
Speaker 5: to while I was fired, and and and you know
Speaker 5: and everything. You know, so maybe the separation and how
Speaker 5: it's termed and and how everyone speaks about it is
Speaker 5: a way that everyone can go forward and not have
Speaker 5: it acrimonious and everyone's you know, spitting on the other
Speaker 5: guy's face or whatever, because I don't care what to say.
Speaker 5: These are never pleasant experiences when this happens. But the
Speaker 5: coaching world is you know, so I don't know if
Speaker 5: inbred is the right word, but but these guys, you know,
Speaker 5: they they spend, they end up, you know. I mean,
Speaker 5: this is the second time for Andy being here at Utah,
Speaker 5: so I'm sure they like to keep it cordial, and
Speaker 5: it's kind of professional, and it is you know, it's
Speaker 5: it's just a business decision. But I think I think
Speaker 5: Kyle's been frustrated for some time. Uh and and by
Speaker 5: some time, I mean all the way back to last
Speaker 5: year and and and the frustration could have stemmed from, Okay,
Speaker 5: well we didn't get Cam back. Well what about all
Speaker 5: these other guys? You know, we we haven't been able
Speaker 5: to develop a solid backup situation for for the quarterback position,
Speaker 5: and you know, in quite some time, and we weren't
Speaker 5: really prepared for it. And the guys that played were
Speaker 5: you know, not ready or unacceptable solutions or unproductive solutions.
Speaker 5: And and that does fall on Andy. I mean, he
Speaker 5: was the guy that was specifically designated as the national
Speaker 5: recruiter of quarterbacks at Utah, and and he was the
Speaker 5: guy that you know, brought these these other lay and
Speaker 5: they none of them really panned out. You know, I
Speaker 5: mean he inherited Cam.
Speaker 6: But.
Speaker 5: You know he didn't have a suitable solution last year
Speaker 5: and this year when something happened to Cam rising.
Speaker 1: Scott, you know as well as anybody, this is about
Speaker 1: one thing in this space and in the stratosphere, it's
Speaker 1: about results, period. That's all it's about. That's all it's
Speaker 1: ever about. And you know, there really isn't a ton
Speaker 1: of space in the moment when your offense is essentially
Speaker 1: ranked near the bottom of every major statistical category for
Speaker 1: flowers that were given to you in the past. We
Speaker 1: want to know what's going on now. And it's fair
Speaker 1: to say, and Andy would be the first to say this,
Speaker 1: it hasn't been good enough this year, wasn't good enough
Speaker 1: last year. And ultimately I would not blame coach Wit
Speaker 1: if this was something that he was pushing for. But
Speaker 1: they're really good friends and that brings into complication. So
Speaker 1: of course he wants to do right by Andy by
Speaker 1: letting him go out in style and in grace. And
Speaker 1: there will be a time where we all look back
Speaker 1: and say man Andy Ludwig potentially was the best offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator of this generation of Utah football. He deserves a
Speaker 1: lot of credit for that, but the end wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: And there are very few coaches that have enough built
Speaker 1: in equity to survive a year and a half of
Speaker 1: an emic performance. That's what it's been. And so he
Speaker 1: was given space, he was given rope, and he did
Speaker 1: a great job once upon a time, but it hasn't
Speaker 1: been good enough. And if this was something Kyle wanted,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have blamed him well.
Speaker 5: And here's another thing to consider too, is all coaches,
Speaker 5: all head coaches, have a philosophy, right, and Kyle's is
Speaker 5: really run first. It's really catered towards the defense. He's
Speaker 5: realized in recent years he needs to be more explosive
Speaker 5: on offense. But his core belief is we got to
Speaker 5: run the football. And you hear it weekend and week out.
Speaker 5: We got to run the football, we got to stop
Speaker 5: the run. And that never changes, never changes with coach
Speaker 5: winning him and that might bump up against maybe the
Speaker 5: philosophy of your offensive coordinator goes I think we need
Speaker 5: to throw it more. I think we need to be
Speaker 5: more explosive or I think we need to and and
Speaker 5: and he made you know, so there could be a
Speaker 5: difference of philosophy and UH with a coordinator too, and
Speaker 5: and that can create some of the some of the
Speaker 5: UH you know less production. It's like, well, the coach
Speaker 5: wants to run the ball, We're going to run the ball.
Speaker 5: And the problem, quite frankly, as I've watched every single
Speaker 5: play you know for the last eight years, teams are
Speaker 5: are defending Utah differently. And with every young quarterback Utah
Speaker 5: is put in the game, they put more guys in
Speaker 5: the box and you can block. They're basically daring and
Speaker 5: forcing Utah to throw the football. And and they're putting
Speaker 5: a lot of pressure both in the run game where
Speaker 5: they're making it really hard to run and they're making
Speaker 5: it really hard to throw because they're they're getting pressure
Speaker 5: on these on these young quarterbacks and they're they're not
Speaker 5: consistently they've not been able to handle it. And so
Speaker 5: that's that to me, really is the crux of the
Speaker 5: issue is Utah hasn't been able to handle what these
Speaker 5: defenses have been doing to it with these young quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to something you said earlier
Speaker 1: when we were discussing the difference potentially that Bajaking can
Speaker 1: make now that he's in as the play caller, and
Speaker 1: you made a really good point about it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: opening up the playbook entirely, it's finding the plays that
Speaker 1: work for your personnel. We have seen moments from Isaac.
Speaker 1: We have now it hasn't been consistently good enough from anybody,
Speaker 1: including the play caller and the quarterback and everybody. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody needs to play better. There's no doubt. I'm not
Speaker 1: singling anybody out, but I do want to point out
Speaker 1: that we've seen moments from Isaac. You know, the touchdown
Speaker 1: passed to when he parks, he had a bullet to
Speaker 1: Dorian sing Her, a couple of Caleb b. Loner finds
Speaker 1: as well. So when you see Isaac have those moments,
Speaker 1: what sort of play calling are you seeing in those moments?
Speaker 1: And what sort of plays can Mike put in a
Speaker 1: place to accentuate the strengths that we all see in
Speaker 1: moments from Isaac Wilson.
Speaker 5: A lot of the plays where he's had success, it's
Speaker 5: been a really kind of clear read for him as
Speaker 5: far as who he's going to and you know, when
Speaker 5: you get into maybe some more complicated decision making processes. Uh.
Speaker 5: For example, the the interception against Oklahoma State when he
Speaker 5: threw the ball down the sideline and the safety intercepted
Speaker 5: the ball like that should have never ever happened, and
Speaker 5: and that was and so he's kind of but it
Speaker 5: requires a little bit more of a complex read, like
Speaker 5: the guy he was going to was his first read,
Speaker 5: and and he really should have come to his third
Speaker 5: read and and and so he just wasn't completely confident
Speaker 5: with that. And what it forces you to do is
Speaker 5: you're kind of tentative when you're when you're in the
Speaker 5: pocket because you have to hold the ball longer and
Speaker 5: then and then and you're trying to read the play
Speaker 5: and and and dissect what the defense is doing and
Speaker 5: and then and then here comes the pressure, you know,
Speaker 5: and it's too late. And so when he's had things
Speaker 5: where a lot of quicker reads, simpler reads, get the
Speaker 5: ball out quick and early. You watch TCU and and
Speaker 5: they're really good at that. You know they're because and
Speaker 5: they're one of the better teams in the country throwing
Speaker 5: the football in which is why Utah holding them to
Speaker 5: only thirteen points was really good. But but they're really
Speaker 5: really clear, really simple, really easy quick reads. Get the
Speaker 5: ball out fast and off you go, and and and
Speaker 5: so maybe seeing more of that, and it's in Utah's offense,
Speaker 5: and so much of it, spence is on first down.
Speaker 5: You know, if you can win on first down, and
Speaker 5: that's where Utah you know, they're not winning on third down,
Speaker 5: and a lot of it's because they're not winning on
Speaker 5: first down. And where you win, you win on first down.
Speaker 5: You have a productive play. You know, you're coming right
Speaker 5: out off the field onto the field and the quarterback
Speaker 5: has a good, successful play right out of the shoots.
Speaker 5: It just brings a lot of confidence. But if you
Speaker 5: and if you get a lot of people involved early
Speaker 5: in the game, they get confident, they get more into
Speaker 5: the game, and and you know, and you and so
Speaker 5: finding getting the ball to your your like your your
Speaker 5: playmakers quickly, simple reads succeeds faster on first down. Then
Speaker 5: then second down becomes very manageable. And third down you
Speaker 5: really kind of want to limit your third downs. You
Speaker 5: want to go first down, second down to first down again,
Speaker 5: or first down to first down, and you want to
Speaker 5: try to stay out a third down as you're moving
Speaker 5: the ball down the field as you can, or if
Speaker 5: you're in third down it's third and short, it's thart
Speaker 5: and we can run it or throw it here, whatever
Speaker 5: we want to do, anythings that are disposal. Because now
Speaker 5: the defense goes, well, we don't, you know, but when
Speaker 5: they when they know it's third and long, they pin
Speaker 5: their ears back or they blitch you, they do whatever,
Speaker 5: and they're and they're dictating the terms of everything. And
Speaker 5: so that to me like just seems like the simple solution.
Speaker 5: And I know it's in that offense right now, and
Speaker 5: and it really requires the involvement of the tight ends.
Speaker 5: It requires involvement of these receivers moved in different positions
Speaker 5: than maybe where they are and I don't and it
Speaker 5: and it can be really simple to do too, So
Speaker 5: that that would that would be what I would do
Speaker 5: with a young quarterback like Isaac, just giving the simple
Speaker 5: quick reads, get the ball out, get the ball in
Speaker 5: your playmaker's hands so he's not sitting there holding and
Speaker 5: trying to figure everything out.
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Scott, appreciate the time travel safety, Houston. We'll
Speaker 1: chat soon.
Speaker 5: Okay, you got it, thank you?
Speaker 1: All right there he is Scott Mitchell. Coming up next,
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Speaker 1: ask him about anything. He's got a breakdown. He's not
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Speaker 8: Be reason behind every action. You know, there's gotta be
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Speaker 1: On that well said, Let's move over to the reason
Speaker 1: why Utah has a new play caller. Oh gosh, how
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 8: You don't ever want to do this stuff mid season,
Speaker 8: but I can't help but say it over and over
Speaker 8: it was necessary. I like Andy Ludwig, but likes don't
Speaker 8: get you wins, right. And so I know Coach Whittingham
Speaker 8: and Andy Ludwig have a history. They go back a while.
Speaker 8: But this is not and and and for me, I
Speaker 8: kind of hate this so much.
Speaker 9: The main thing is.
Speaker 8: Is like, this is just not the last year, the
Speaker 8: last couple of years that I wanted to see of
Speaker 8: Coach Wit. I thought Coach WIT's last few years should
Speaker 8: be something magical as this year should have been, and
Speaker 8: it's not going that way. Ever since Covid, we had
Speaker 8: Ty Jordan Covid, you know, Tavi on Thomas, all these
Speaker 8: guys Rose Bowl failures, all these stuff coming through these
Speaker 8: last few years. I want more of a monumental ending
Speaker 8: to Coach Whittingham's tenure, and it's just not going that way.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's anything that could or will
Speaker 1: happen this year that would affect what Kyle's going to
Speaker 1: do moving forward? I mean, look, it's not like he
Speaker 1: has to do anything else. The statue will be built.
Speaker 1: He is this program. Yeah, and look he's this Program's LaVale.
Speaker 1: I've said it for years, and like there's nothing else
Speaker 1: that he has to do. I just wonder if it
Speaker 1: continues to go in the wrong direction, do you feel
Speaker 1: like he would want a different ending to his own story?
Speaker 8: Yeah, And you know what, and that may be what
Speaker 8: it is because he's such a competitor. As far as
Speaker 8: that competitive edge, I've learned so much of my competitive
Speaker 8: edge from Coach Whittingham, and so I just know and
Speaker 8: I've actually been you know, downloading some film looking for
Speaker 8: the last you know, ever since the nineties, and just
Speaker 8: seeing young coach Whittingham's face on there. He's he's been
Speaker 8: dialed in since the beginning, man, and so just knowing
Speaker 8: his competitive edge and the University of Utah literally giving
Speaker 8: him like, look, whenever you say you're done is when
Speaker 8: we'll say you're done.
Speaker 1: You get it.
Speaker 8: And so I commend Utah for doing that because I
Speaker 8: think Coach Readingham has deserved it, and he brings the
Speaker 8: energy to the table, and I think that if he
Speaker 8: doesn't have that energy, he will stop, he will not
Speaker 8: continue on. But I definitely have factored in a better
Speaker 8: ending as far as all this is concerned. So this
Speaker 8: off season. I talk to him every year and I'm
Speaker 8: just like, so, when is it gonna be. He's like,
Speaker 8: you know what, I have no idea. I keep getting
Speaker 8: new energy, new found, you know, energy to do this
Speaker 8: each and every year. So I don't know, it could
Speaker 8: be this year, could be five years down the road.
Speaker 8: I do think it's either this year or next year
Speaker 8: for me for sure, But you know, he keeps getting
Speaker 8: re energized every year.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, we heard from Mike Pajaki in yesterday for
Speaker 1: the first time as far as media availability. He's been
Speaker 1: around the program for a while. I'm gonna bring you
Speaker 1: in a bring you into a conversation I just had
Speaker 1: with Scott Mitchell. We talked to Bill about it yesterday
Speaker 1: as well. And none of this is a knock on Mike.
Speaker 1: I don't know him, but he said during the media
Speaker 1: availability that the system is basically in place. The system
Speaker 1: is the system, right, You're a player, okay, So I
Speaker 1: want you to help us understand what a change of
Speaker 1: voice could potentially mean, or a different set of eyes
Speaker 1: on the same problem could essentially mean. Because here's why
Speaker 1: I'm asking slag like, Mike isn't going to figure something
Speaker 1: out in Andy's system that Andy couldn't figure out himself, right,
Speaker 1: So there has to be a net positive to the change.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily understand how he can make Andy's
Speaker 1: offense better than Andy himself could have made it. So
Speaker 1: this has to be a new set of eyes, a
Speaker 1: new voice in the locker room. How real is that?
Speaker 1: What sort of positive effect is reasonable to expect?
Speaker 8: I don't agree with that, Svince, I can hear it.
Speaker 8: I think there could be sick change. You know in
Speaker 8: there are the play as. I mean, I've said, it's
Speaker 8: not the play designs.
Speaker 9: That's the issue.
Speaker 8: It's when you the timing of the play calling, like
Speaker 8: why are you calling this play at this point in time?
Speaker 8: It just makes no sense. There was no aggressiveness in
Speaker 8: our offense. It was just like we're out there playing
Speaker 8: backyard football like we're practicing every time. There was just
Speaker 8: no energy to want to put your opponent behind at
Speaker 8: any point in any of the last games. Even in
Speaker 8: Oklahoma State there's I was like, when are we ever
Speaker 8: on the attack? It just felt like we were just
Speaker 8: kind of going through the motions, and that is necessarily
Speaker 8: calling the right place. I know Andy Ludwig has some
Speaker 8: big plays dialed up.
Speaker 9: In his system. Just when are you gonna call them?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 8: And so by somebody changing up when those plays are called.
Speaker 8: When those plays are dialed up could mean everything. The
Speaker 8: terminology could be the same, the formations, the packages, all
Speaker 8: that could be the same when those things are going
Speaker 8: to be called is I think the biggest thing here
Speaker 8: and re energizing the voice.
Speaker 9: If as you said.
Speaker 8: If Mijakie can come in here and tell these guys, look,
Speaker 8: our goal is to put our opponents in the dirt
Speaker 8: every single play. We're going to be on the attack,
Speaker 8: and I want to score even on our third and
Speaker 8: one play.
Speaker 9: I want you guys to think about scoring on this play.
Speaker 8: That's a different change of voice that this offense needs.
Speaker 8: And so if the players have that mindset that we
Speaker 8: can score on every single play, there's a different energy
Speaker 8: when they go and block, there's a different energy when
Speaker 8: they go and run routes, and so I think that
Speaker 8: that's what can be injected into this offense and what
Speaker 8: they need, I mean, I need. Ludwig's done some amazing
Speaker 8: things over the years, so we're not going to discredit
Speaker 8: him at all for those things. But right now, it
Speaker 8: just felt like we've been forcing the ball into brand Keithy,
Speaker 8: trying to get him the ball in some kind of
Speaker 8: capacity with those arc run plays and the bubble screens
Speaker 8: to he him, and it's just taking away from all
Speaker 8: of the other talent that we have on the field.
Speaker 8: When the mentality should be, you know, Brad Keathy is here,
Speaker 8: he's gonna get a lot of attention. That means somebody
Speaker 8: else is gonna get ISO coverage. How are we not
Speaker 8: taking advantage of those type of plays and those type
Speaker 8: of things, And that's simply what But Jakie could come
Speaker 8: in here and do I.
Speaker 1: Am thrilled to hear that you disagree with me, because honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm just in this space where I'm like, how can
Speaker 1: this get better? How can this thing improve?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: And you know, I think we've all been able to
Speaker 1: see that the play calling at times have been a
Speaker 1: bit puzzling. But I think you've always been good to
Speaker 1: help us understand that the coaches can only do so
Speaker 1: much and so much of this is on the players.
Speaker 1: And it's not like this is the NFL where Mike
Speaker 1: can ask Kyle to go trade for a dynamic whatever.
Speaker 1: It is, like, the personnel is the personnel sly right,
Speaker 1: So how help us understand how specifically Mike with the
Speaker 1: same personnel could make a bit of a difference that
Speaker 1: Andy himself could not make.
Speaker 8: It's and you know what, He's had a great perspect
Speaker 8: you know this entire time he's been with the program, right,
Speaker 8: he's been close to the quarterbacks, he's been watching the
Speaker 8: offense seeing he's been able essentially I would be able
Speaker 8: to draw up my own playbook and in the dark,
Speaker 8: it's like, oh, I would have ran this play here
Speaker 8: if I was in controls of this and that. But
Speaker 8: you know when you have Andy Ludwick at the helm.
Speaker 8: This is why football is the greatest sport. There is
Speaker 8: so many people that have to be on the same
Speaker 8: page in order for things to work right. The head coach,
Speaker 8: the offensive coordinator, the quarterback, the GA's, the offensive line,
Speaker 8: the running backs. Everybody has to be on the same page.
Speaker 8: That's mindset, that's actions, that's communication. Everything has to be
Speaker 8: on the same page. So I think the different things
Speaker 8: that you can do here. With Dejon Stanley, who came
Speaker 8: out in the first year, you understand he's got dynamic speed.
Speaker 9: Why don't you use that?
Speaker 8: Why don't you have people so afraid of your speed
Speaker 8: When you put this package in, they're just dropping back
Speaker 8: and coverage, And then you can just throw a tight
Speaker 8: end screen to brand I would literally put money parks,
Speaker 8: Dorian Singer and Dejon Stanley in and run them on trips,
Speaker 8: trips far and throw a tight end screen on the backside.
Speaker 8: Have all the attention go to the speed. Run those guys,
Speaker 8: run those safeties off all through the field. There's different
Speaker 8: things you can do and all kinds of capacities. The
Speaker 8: whole problem is there was just no aggressiveness with our
Speaker 8: play calling. Everything's so bland and from the sidelines from
Speaker 8: a guy who isn't you know, at practices, who isn't
Speaker 8: watching these guys get ready for the opponent, I could
Speaker 8: tell you what our offense was doing. So imagine what TCU,
Speaker 8: Arizona State and Arizona was doing when they were game
Speaker 8: planning for US.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 9: I know most of them came off of a bye.
Speaker 8: Week playing US, so there was a benefit to them,
Speaker 8: but you got to take that into account when you're
Speaker 8: play calling.
Speaker 9: There was just nothing.
Speaker 8: Those opponents were not scared of Utah to do anything
Speaker 8: at all. They played with their toes in the ground,
Speaker 8: toes forward, and they never backpedaled the entire game. And
Speaker 8: so I hope that the aggressiveness takes that. I mean,
Speaker 8: you got so many people. You got Landing King on
Speaker 8: this team, and he really doesn't even have a target.
Speaker 8: I don't even think he has a target on the year.
Speaker 8: He was in the system and did an amazing job
Speaker 8: last year. Whereas he at he's a six to sixth body, right,
Speaker 8: you got Damien Alford, who's another six six six seven body.
Speaker 8: You got Caleb Loaner, who's the six to nine body,
Speaker 8: forty inch vertical. Right, you put those three on the field,
Speaker 8: don't you think that's gonna cause attention? Like I would
Speaker 8: put Caleb Loaner and Damien Alford right on the scenes
Speaker 8: right outside the tackles flex the landing king in there,
Speaker 8: and another tall body in there. You call that the
Speaker 8: Monstars unit. Literally due do a jump ball? See if
Speaker 8: some of these short dbs can can catch a jump
Speaker 8: ball to Caleb Loaner, like, why can't you do things
Speaker 8: like that? There's just absolutely nothing that we were doing
Speaker 8: these past three to four weeks where we showed any aggressiveness.
Speaker 8: So I hope that Majakian can just understand the personnel
Speaker 8: and the people at his disposal and use them as such.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've explained to us the how, right, Like
Speaker 1: how you think he can make a difference. I'll just
Speaker 1: follow up with do you believe he will? I mean
Speaker 1: there is a path left there really is and taking
Speaker 1: some pushback for it, and I understand it sounds crazy
Speaker 1: based off the data we have, because it's been really
Speaker 1: bad and there's no other way to say it. Three
Speaker 1: straight losses, twelve points per game. I could run you
Speaker 1: through the offensive metrics, but you've seen them. All of
Speaker 1: them are bottom four. Besides the rushing attack, which is
Speaker 1: ninth in the conference. None of the offensive numbers are good,
Speaker 1: none of them. So you've helped us understand what it
Speaker 1: can look like. What's your confidence level that's starting on
Speaker 1: Saturday against Houston? It actually will look and feel different
Speaker 1: and better.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm a biased guy.
Speaker 8: I'm a Utah man until I die, I'm telling you so.
Speaker 9: I'm I'm very hung up on what Utah should do.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 8: It's that ex girlfriend with so much potential, right, it's
Speaker 8: I think Utah should do all of these things.
Speaker 9: What they will do? I have no idea it literally,
Speaker 9: I have no idea.
Speaker 8: Why we can get up you know, twenty something points,
Speaker 8: but be afraid to get up thirty, get up forty points?
Speaker 9: Why are we so afraid to put up numbers and so?
Speaker 9: And we've been like that for years.
Speaker 8: We've never been a team to like even when we
Speaker 8: play some of these like and this is what surprises
Speaker 8: so much when we played what SUU a few years ago,
Speaker 8: when we put seventy points on the board, like, that's
Speaker 8: the team that we should be. We have that capability,
Speaker 8: We have a more talented roster right now than we did.
Speaker 9: Then why are we not doing things like that?
Speaker 8: Why did we not put fifty sixty points up on
Speaker 8: SUU this this the first game of the year. Why
Speaker 8: did we not score anything on offensive Baylor in Oklahoma State?
Speaker 9: Like so, I'm more hung up on what we should
Speaker 9: do versus what we will do.
Speaker 8: I'm not in those coach meetings being able to tell
Speaker 8: them my thoughts on how a plan of attack. I
Speaker 8: don't know Mike mcjakian on that, and I don't know
Speaker 8: how much control coach Whittingham is going to allow him
Speaker 8: to do that. I know Coach Whittingham wants to established
Speaker 8: to run so much, but I'm just like, man, we
Speaker 8: got somebody who can throw the ball. Isaac Wilson has
Speaker 8: a tremendous arm. Understand the type of offense that he's
Speaker 8: come from and why you recruited him. Isaac Wilson is
Speaker 8: not one of those we need to huddle up every
Speaker 8: single time and have my back to the defense in
Speaker 8: the huddle, call the play in the huddle, and then
Speaker 8: go under center.
Speaker 9: That is not Isaac Wilson. And if coach Ludwig didn't
Speaker 9: realize that, I don't know what.
Speaker 8: He's doing at offensive coordinator Isaac Wilson is the guy
Speaker 8: you don't need to huddle. He can call the offense
Speaker 8: on the field, but he's able to see the defense
Speaker 8: right in front of him and not messing up his
Speaker 8: cerebellum by turning around so much and understanding where everybody's
Speaker 8: at and keeping everything in front of him and throwing
Speaker 8: the ball downfield. Stretching the defense out doing all these
Speaker 8: short crossing routes, gets everything so discombobulated and can join
Speaker 8: it up in the middle. It's hard to see, but
Speaker 8: if you stretch people out, you're doing a go route here,
Speaker 8: You're doing a go route there, deep over out here.
Speaker 9: He's able to see those things easier. So for me,
Speaker 9: it's more understanding the personnel, understanding your quarterback and understanding
Speaker 9: the receivers and the running backs that are at your disposal,
Speaker 9: and doing plays that they want to run and that
Speaker 9: they feel that they can score on every single play. Man.
Speaker 8: So I have no idea what they will do. I'm
Speaker 8: just hung up on what they should do.
Speaker 1: Well said, all right, we got to move over to
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football. Equal time here, so
Speaker 1: much attention has been on the quarterbacks of the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and slide. Most of the metrics are good. They're
Speaker 1: number two in overall defense, they're fifth in past defense,
Speaker 1: they're third in efficiency, they're fourth in the rush. Let's see.
Speaker 1: But here's where they struggle. They're ninth in sacks, they're
Speaker 1: dead last and force fumbles. They're fourteenth in fumbles recovered,
Speaker 1: and they're ninth in inner SECD. They're not turning the
Speaker 1: other team over, although the other metrics do indicate that
Speaker 1: there is a lot there there. When it comes down
Speaker 1: good the defense can be so just overall, where are
Speaker 1: you at with the defense? How good is the defense?
Speaker 1: And then what does that mean that the offense at
Speaker 1: least has to counterbalance to make sure this team can
Speaker 1: start stack and wins.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Man, it's so hard, you know, because I am hard
Speaker 8: on the defense as a as a defensive player who
Speaker 8: came out of this system, I would be the one
Speaker 8: of the If I'm not their hardest critic, I would
Speaker 8: be one.
Speaker 9: I expect the most out of them.
Speaker 8: But I gotta give it to them, man, they have
Speaker 8: been playing outstanding and those numbers are so inflated and
Speaker 8: some and some capacities because of the horrible situations that
Speaker 8: they're constantly put in, you know, from our offense turning
Speaker 8: the ball over or not getting great coverage on the
Speaker 8: special teams unit starting on the wrong foot. Our defense
Speaker 8: is played great with you know, conra o'tol being out,
Speaker 8: Karinne Reid uh being out, you know, some important pieces
Speaker 8: on this defense. Look, Gilman got suspended for you know,
Speaker 8: targeting one week. We've missed some important pieces and had
Speaker 8: to shovel some things around. I think it was Kennon Johnson,
Speaker 8: you know, the cornerback. You know, he got out in
Speaker 8: the very first game. There's been some shuffling Rabbit Evans
Speaker 8: and and Elijah Davis running into the lineup. With all
Speaker 8: these new guys shuffling pieces, our defense is played pretty
Speaker 8: darn well. I think we're top five in the nation
Speaker 8: and in third down percentage, which is huge. That means
Speaker 8: that we're able to get off the field when we
Speaker 8: need to or force a field goal. I agree with
Speaker 8: you on forcing the turnovers because you know there's so
Speaker 8: often I'm on the sidelines and I want to tell
Speaker 8: Karine Reid and the defense, I'm like, yo, it's got
Speaker 8: to be you.
Speaker 9: You gotta go in here and force the turnover.
Speaker 8: I remember we were at Oregon a couple of years
Speaker 8: ago when we lost up there, and I was like, Karine,
Speaker 8: you gotta go force to turn well, punch that ball out.
Speaker 8: Next you know, he goes in, hunches it out and
Speaker 8: we get a turnover, and we're right in there in
Speaker 8: their end zone. And I'm like, that's what our defense
Speaker 8: has to do right now. We have to put up
Speaker 8: points because our offense isn't and so we got to
Speaker 8: take it upon ourselves.
Speaker 9: That would be the only thing our defense isn't doing.
Speaker 9: It's hard to look at the statistics. You know, if
Speaker 9: we had complimentary offense.
Speaker 8: I could look at the statistics and take a story
Speaker 8: from that. But just knowing that we haven't gotten help
Speaker 8: from the offensive side of the ball and special teams
Speaker 8: that you know, those numbers are just those numbers. And
Speaker 8: to hold TCU a thirty point team, Arizona another twenty
Speaker 8: five plus point team per game team under those numbers,
Speaker 8: I gotta tip my cap to the defense because of
Speaker 8: the situations that they have been so Morgan Scalley's doing
Speaker 8: a great job of getting these guys ready and fighting.
Speaker 8: Even Oklahoma State, we saw what they did to Byu
Speaker 8: when they actually gave Ali Gordon the ball and their
Speaker 8: Dynamic team as well, and we made them look we
Speaker 8: made them look amateur and and and it was great.
Speaker 8: And so it's hard to tell a story for this
Speaker 8: defense right now. I just think that they've done a
Speaker 8: great job of what they've been given thus far.
Speaker 9: They just got to finish it.
Speaker 8: Out, start scoring on defense, creating those turnovers, and bring
Speaker 8: in some more excitement to the field.
Speaker 1: Sly good stuff today, man, have a great week, and
Speaker 1: we'll get you back on soon. Okay, thanks Benz, appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: and the Beast in the BYU secondary back in the
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Speaker 1: Mayor of sack Lake City. Currently, the University of Utah
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve is ninth in sacks, sixteenth in
Speaker 1: fumbles forced, fourteenth, and fumbles recovered, in ninth in interceptions.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of attention on the offense. Of course,
Speaker 1: Cameron got hurt. We have a change in coordinator. But
Speaker 1: as a guy that made a livying getting the quarterback,
Speaker 1: why can't we pressure the QB? Like it's the one
Speaker 1: area the defense right now that the team seems to
Speaker 1: be lacking.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I looked at the stats and it was what
Speaker 10: I think, in the last three games, we had one sack, right,
Speaker 10: and that was by a linebacker. Yeah, we're struggling, and
Speaker 10: I don't know what it is, right, whether it's the leadership,
Speaker 10: whether it's you know, the accountability amongst each other in
Speaker 10: that defensive room. But there just needs to be a
Speaker 10: wake up call, right, And maybe coach Ludwick's stepping was
Speaker 10: something for the team, but the guys just need to
Speaker 10: find that fire again and understand that, Yeah, Utah is
Speaker 10: having a struggle offensively, but this is a defense of
Speaker 10: dominant team and when the offense isn't holding their part,
Speaker 10: there's no reason why Utah should have scored a touchdown
Speaker 10: themselves on defense on Saturday, right, And so you just
Speaker 10: hope that they figure it out.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what that is, Jake. We were
Speaker 1: talking about this off air, because it's one thing to
Speaker 1: be bad every team, you know, Kaylin de bor is
Speaker 1: learning what it's like to be bad in Tuscaloos. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's a bad team, but they've got
Speaker 1: they have more than one loss heading into November. Alabama
Speaker 1: football does for the first time since two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: It's an impossible standard, but based off the standard you
Speaker 1: set your fans that have certain expectations. We now have
Speaker 1: a fan base here that has expectations based off a
Speaker 1: generation of very dominant Utah football. It's one thing to
Speaker 1: not be good. I think it's a completely different thing
Speaker 1: when preseason you're thought to be the best team in
Speaker 1: the conference and the numbers show you at this point
Speaker 1: you might be one of the worst. That's hard to stomach.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you look at like I said off air,
Speaker 6: you would have if you were to ask people if
Speaker 6: they were taking the field or if they were taking
Speaker 6: Utah to win the Big twelve. People said Utah. And
Speaker 6: that's what the fan base expected, right. And when you
Speaker 6: come in with expectations and we're not meeting those expectations
Speaker 6: and there's stuff with Cam, you kind of wonder what's
Speaker 6: going on. You start to you can see people quickly
Speaker 6: turn yeah, And that's where it's like for Utah.
Speaker 1: You want to keep those fans.
Speaker 6: You don't want them turning, and you ask the fans
Speaker 6: to kind of be patient with everything. And like they said,
Speaker 6: maybe there needs to be a little wake up call.
Speaker 6: And with coach Ludwig stepping down, that's what you hope.
Speaker 6: Maybe this is the wake up call and it's able
Speaker 6: to get turned around. But the last thing you want
Speaker 6: is to see fans is quickly turning and walking away
Speaker 6: saying I'm putting their hands up and I'm done with
Speaker 6: this and having the stadium half full.
Speaker 1: For sure, And Nate, I wanted your thoughts on that
Speaker 1: because it's juxtaposed to expectations like if if Vegas set
Speaker 1: the over under this year at and Utah was picked
Speaker 1: to finish ninth in the Big Twelve, the shock factor
Speaker 1: wouldn't be there. But because we all thought this was
Speaker 1: a potential CFP team and as Jake referenced, the favorite
Speaker 1: to win the Big Twelve, that changes the way the
Speaker 1: fan base expects you to play. How does that affect
Speaker 1: you as a player when things aren't going your way,
Speaker 1: when you know you're doing everything you can.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's tough, you know from you know, the outside perspective, right,
Speaker 10: and projections are projections, and that's what you know. I'm
Speaker 10: sure coaches harp On, don't listen to the media, block
Speaker 10: out that noise. Let's focus on what we can control
Speaker 10: in front of us and for it to fall off
Speaker 10: after the hopes you know of having Cam back, this
Speaker 10: is going to be it. The possibility of hosting a
Speaker 10: playoff game here type of conversation, right and now, you're
Speaker 10: sitting in a situation where you you did not fathom whatsoever.
Speaker 10: To me, it's just you know, how do you answer that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 10: How do you bounce back? And as players individually you
Speaker 10: have to be able to lift each other up and
Speaker 10: continue to just fight and move forward and finish the season.
Speaker 1: How strong?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 10: You got five games remaining? You know that we go,
Speaker 10: let's go five? And no, why not? But I mean
Speaker 10: a lot of things ride obviously on the offensive side
Speaker 10: and and what's being done there. But as far as
Speaker 10: you know defense, I'm speaking defensively, it's control you can
Speaker 10: control and just go out and make plays.
Speaker 1: So, Jake, the last two games, it's been Arizona, And
Speaker 1: I said the Monday after the Arizona game, I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever felt such underlying anxiety and nervousness from
Speaker 1: a fan base in a stadium. And then I went
Speaker 1: to the TCU game. I'm like, that's two games in
Speaker 1: a row where the air is taken out of a
Speaker 1: stadium that, when really popping, is one of the best
Speaker 1: home field advantages west of the Mississippi River. Like, what
Speaker 1: have you felt this year as you've gone to youte
Speaker 1: football games that feel different? Than you games in the past.
Speaker 6: The the energy is not like the juice, and you're
Speaker 6: waiting like who's gonna step up and be the guy
Speaker 6: and who's gonna make the play? Defensively, like you talk
Speaker 6: about you thought would they the defense? Could the defensive
Speaker 6: scored and I'm gonna like flip it to yu where
Speaker 6: like that when they beat Uh, I'm facing what game
Speaker 6: it was, but where the defense was putting points Kansas State,
Speaker 6: the defense is putting up points, which it was every game. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's been every game like that. And that's where Utah
Speaker 6: like the defense. They make plays and that's what Utah
Speaker 6: is known for. And you come into Utah and the
Speaker 6: stadium is gonna be loud, fans will be packed, and
Speaker 6: you're gonna hit the mouth, and it just seemed like
Speaker 6: it's that has not been there. And then from like
Speaker 6: the fans, you just kind of hear like the rumble.
Speaker 6: It's like quickly everyone's amped up, ready to go, and
Speaker 6: then it can quickly turn and then the grumblings and
Speaker 6: kind of looking at you like wait, what's going on,
Speaker 6: what's going on?
Speaker 1: And that air just kind.
Speaker 6: Of seems to just slip out of the stadium and
Speaker 6: you're hoping that the team can when's the defense canna
Speaker 6: make play?
Speaker 1: When's that play coming? Because at the end.
Speaker 6: Of the game, they're down six and people were walking
Speaker 6: out down six A game wasn't over game, third quarter,
Speaker 6: game could have been won, and people are walking out
Speaker 6: as if for fans you want them. The team needs
Speaker 6: the stadium like that is a home field advantage, and
Speaker 6: if you don't have that, if you don't have the
Speaker 6: fans backing you, that just makes it tough as a
Speaker 6: team to finish the game, to make that play to
Speaker 6: get in the end zone.
Speaker 1: I was by a group that was leaving and then
Speaker 1: Isaac hit money Parts for the touchdown, and they were
Speaker 1: pissed they had to walk back in. They're like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll stay. But with such little confidence Nate
Speaker 1: that they were going to be able to get it
Speaker 1: done at the end. But here's my question for you.
Speaker 1: You're the player, well both of you, but you're the
Speaker 1: player in the locker room delpus understand Look. Mike ba
Speaker 1: Jakian spoke to the media yesterday and said the system's
Speaker 1: in place. Systems the system. They didn't just hire Mike
Speaker 1: from you dubbed to install his own system. He's simply
Speaker 1: going to utilize the system that was already in place.
Speaker 1: So if Andy Ludwig couldn't find anything out of his
Speaker 1: own system, is it realistic to expect Mike to make
Speaker 1: miracles happen when there's not a change in personnel and
Speaker 1: it's the same playbook, Like, are you confident that a
Speaker 1: new voice is new eyes are needed? Because I don't
Speaker 1: know schematically what Mike is gonna do that Andy couldn't do.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 10: And Mike, I know Mike and Andy go way back, right,
Speaker 10: and Mike has his track record and has a lot
Speaker 10: of success at various schools and in the NFL. Really,
Speaker 10: what it comes down to, I look at it from
Speaker 10: the perspective, you know, as a player being on a
Speaker 10: team in meetings and locker rooms in practice where hey,
Speaker 10: you maybe have this coach who is the OC or DC,
Speaker 10: but by golly, we got this corner cornerback coach or
Speaker 10: dB coach that is unbelievable that hey, if he were
Speaker 10: the guy, that's a no brainer. And I don't know,
Speaker 10: maybe that is from Mike's Mike's case, right, maybe there
Speaker 10: is a lot of respect for him and what he
Speaker 10: does behind the scenes and the way he he motivates
Speaker 10: the players, uh, and how he communicates with his quarterbacks.
Speaker 10: And so with this, you know, maybe Mike's going into
Speaker 10: it like, hey, let's just keep it simple. Let's let's
Speaker 10: not overcomplicate this thing. Football is football, go out there
Speaker 10: and have fun. Let's simplify the offense. Let's throw these
Speaker 10: short passes. Let's let's work the run game when we can.
Speaker 10: But Isaac, let's get you comfortable in the pocket on
Speaker 10: first second down before we really start to open up.
Speaker 10: You know, the playbook, but just keeping it very basic.
Speaker 10: And I look at it in the sense of, like,
Speaker 10: you know, my OC as a six the six year
Speaker 10: old flag football team of my son is.
Speaker 1: Like I got I got two or three plays.
Speaker 10: That's it, maybe, you know, and like just just that
Speaker 10: bread and butter, you know, one run, one run, play,
Speaker 10: two pass plays and they just perfect it and it
Speaker 10: looks so good, and you think these kids are a
Speaker 10: bunch of all stars, and that's all they need to do.
Speaker 10: You flip the play, run, pass, run it on both sides.
Speaker 10: You get stuff going down the middle, and from there
Speaker 10: you're just getting momentum. And with that momentum, comes confidence.
Speaker 10: I look into Arizona right with those fourth down situations
Speaker 10: where we couldn't convert. Those are those are momentum killers,
Speaker 10: not only for your team but for the people in
Speaker 10: the stadium. And so as long as you can keep
Speaker 10: momentum going each drive, you're marching on the field, you
Speaker 10: come up with three points, maybe a touchdown, but you're
Speaker 10: getting something. And that's where you get the trust and
Speaker 10: the confidence and your players on the sidelines.
Speaker 1: So social media is an interest animal, and I'm grateful
Speaker 1: it was not around when I was in college. It
Speaker 1: is a necessary evil as far as what I do
Speaker 1: for a living, I don't enjoy it. I'm rarely on it.
Speaker 1: I do not live online. The internet is where cowards
Speaker 1: go to field break. But you know what's interesting is
Speaker 1: it does give you a peek inside because this generation,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty four to twenty five and under, they
Speaker 1: were raised with cell phones as their best friends, their babysitters,
Speaker 1: and they their way of life is online. Their way
Speaker 1: of life is on social media. You know, I did
Speaker 1: have my first cell phone until I was in college,
Speaker 1: like twenty one, twenty two years old. There's a flip
Speaker 1: phone like a Nokia that was horrible. So I didn't
Speaker 1: snake on that phone though, and I was good at
Speaker 1: stay at place you say, so, I don't relate to
Speaker 1: what it's like. Like NBA coaches now talk about it. Halftime,
Speaker 1: the players go check their phone. That's the first thing
Speaker 1: to do at halftime. So it gives you a peek
Speaker 1: into the mind of some of these young men who
Speaker 1: Landing King sent out a post on social media Dorian
Speaker 1: Singer wasted talent. They're all kind of firing out on
Speaker 1: social media, Like Dorian Singer is implying that his talent
Speaker 1: is being wasted at the University of Utah based off
Speaker 1: an Instagram post he set out. It's a silly way
Speaker 1: to do reporting, but when you don't get a lot
Speaker 1: of access to the players, the frustration is mounting. That's
Speaker 1: my point. So my question to you is, how do
Speaker 1: you keep it together as a guy that was in
Speaker 1: the locker room, as a guy that was a leader
Speaker 1: in the locker room? Three straight l's everybody's coming at you.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of dissension. It feels like Coach
Speaker 1: Wood says, they're all connected. How do you keep it
Speaker 1: together as a player.
Speaker 10: It starts with your leadership committee, and really you're your captains, right,
Speaker 10: and those are the guys that I mean I was
Speaker 10: at my senior year. Not to pat myself on the back,
Speaker 10: but like people look to me for guid They look
Speaker 10: to see how I was respond to certain situations, whether
Speaker 10: we had to run extra gassers or it was another
Speaker 10: lift or in a game, right when it's crunch time,
Speaker 10: how is he going to respond? Because whatever his reaction is,
Speaker 10: that's what we're going to ride with. And so it
Speaker 10: comes down to the guys in the locker room. Now
Speaker 10: that Cam's you know, out of the picture, he can
Speaker 10: still be a void. But at the same time, your
Speaker 10: play does all the talking. So those guys who are
Speaker 10: on the field playing, who are those the main guys, Like,
Speaker 10: how are they what's their message to the team, how
Speaker 10: are they, you know, interacting with the guys and getting
Speaker 10: them on the same page to really finish out strong
Speaker 10: with these last five games, And who's to say that
Speaker 10: they're fully out of the picture, right, I mean, go
Speaker 10: undefeated and make it hard for the committee and make
Speaker 10: something happen. But to me, it's just the players in
Speaker 10: the locker room. Coaches can only do so much. You
Speaker 10: look at this as if you know, we've obviously sped
Speaker 10: up the process of the NFL. Right, you got nil
Speaker 10: money thrown around everywhere. You guys are your own entities.
Speaker 10: You know, you got to treat it as a business,
Speaker 10: and you're out here making business decisions like what direction
Speaker 10: do we want to move as a team, what are
Speaker 10: we going? How are we going to deal with this adversity?
Speaker 10: And it's just up to the players.
Speaker 1: So we thought Utah football at this point would be
Speaker 1: I thought they'd be undefeated at this point of the season. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought the schedule down the stretch, post some challenges.
Speaker 1: Thought they'd be undefeated, thought they'd be borderline top ten,
Speaker 1: and thought they'd be making plays on defense. Thought they'd
Speaker 1: be dynamic on offense. Thought they'd have a great home
Speaker 1: field advantage. And that's all happening forty miles down that way, right,
Speaker 1: So Nate will start with you, and then we'll.
Speaker 10: Let I got to use rushing Biken.
Speaker 1: Then we'll know it really is like Seinfeld bizarro world. Right,
Speaker 1: they've done the switch arooo, and everything that's happening with
Speaker 1: BYU is exactly what I thought would happened with Utah.
Speaker 1: Does that make it sting a little worse.
Speaker 10: Oh what I mean. I'm talking about in church, out
Speaker 10: on the streets, at the grocery store. I can't even
Speaker 10: fill up my gas the same. You got people just
Speaker 10: looking and smirking that you know, deep down you know
Speaker 10: the BYU fans and obviously me being a ute, they
Speaker 10: know what's up. And so yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard, Jake, go ahead, path are you feeling over there?
Speaker 1: I'm shocked. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 6: I think most people thought it was going to be
Speaker 6: the opposite, like you said, but b YU would be
Speaker 6: three and four, and it's like, hey, are they gonna
Speaker 6: be able to get into a bowl game this year?
Speaker 6: Fan base struggling with coaching, Yeah, like struggling coaches, so
Speaker 6: expectations were lower. Like you got people like on the
Speaker 6: bandwagon like yeah, they're gonna be great, They're gonna be great,
Speaker 6: but like really it's like they're gonna be if they
Speaker 6: can make a bowl game, good, that's a good year.
Speaker 1: Kilanie's probably got another year.
Speaker 6: And you talk about with Utah set expectations, b YU
Speaker 6: expectations and to have that flipped and BYU fans, and
Speaker 6: you talk about social media popping off and saying stuff
Speaker 6: like this, there's excitement. Oh yeah, and it's like they're
Speaker 6: the real deal. And it's amazing how quickly fan bases
Speaker 6: can turn and people who were closet fans, all of
Speaker 6: a sudden they come out and.
Speaker 1: They are in your face.
Speaker 6: But it's a BYU looks great and Kilanie has done something.
Speaker 6: He's the players coach. There's energy the sideline game. Defense
Speaker 6: is making plays, offense is making plays when they need to,
Speaker 6: and that's what you expect from Utah and it's just
Speaker 6: to have that switched.
Speaker 1: It feels a little bit surreal, like as you're at.
Speaker 6: At the Utah game, everyone is talking about the BYU
Speaker 6: game like that is in the second quarter, third quarter,
Speaker 6: it's like, man, this season might be over, but what
Speaker 6: about the BYU game? What's BYU doing? How are they
Speaker 6: doing that game? And you start talking about that and
Speaker 6: then it gets it's almost like the distraction what's happening
Speaker 6: down south and where you can tell they're focused, they
Speaker 6: know what they're doing, and they're gonna come up here
Speaker 6: at sull Lake and letn't be ready to go.
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing is, I'm old enough like the
Speaker 1: young Utah fans like go vape, all right, leave us alone.
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember, like when Lavelle was the
Speaker 1: head coach. I think it was like twenty one and
Speaker 1: two against Utah over like something like that. It was insane.
Speaker 1: And that's when I grew up and my grandfather was
Speaker 1: a member of the Cougar clubs who were down there
Speaker 1: all the time. If Utah kept it close, it was
Speaker 1: a miracle. Occasionally I think it was eighty eight with
Speaker 1: Eddie Johnson, it was a miracle win, right, everybody celebrated.
Speaker 1: So there's a generation of that and then Nate Now
Speaker 1: there really has been a generation of youth football dominance.
Speaker 1: They got Utah last time, but okay, you got one.
Speaker 1: It's it's something like, what's sixteen and two or something
Speaker 1: in eighteen years. So what makes it sting is the
Speaker 1: fear in this community that we're going back to what
Speaker 1: it was like back then when Utah football could never.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's where we're at. I'm saying that's
Speaker 1: the fear as you see them do what they're doing
Speaker 1: and we're watching what's happening up.
Speaker 10: Here and without a doubt, and for me, you know,
Speaker 10: it's hard because Klonnie.
Speaker 6: I think it's the best. I think it's like that
Speaker 6: for everyone. Every is like Colon but I love Clonie.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and like Kilanie sat In you know the weight
Speaker 10: room at Highland High School to recruit me along with
Speaker 10: Jay Hill, and you know, those guys are the reason
Speaker 10: why I came to Utah and to see them there.
Speaker 10: I mean, it's a bittersweet situation, but obviously I lead
Speaker 10: Red through and through and wish for nothing but the
Speaker 10: best for them. But it's a yeah, it's just tough.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: You can actually see Nate on YouTube right now. He's
Speaker 1: shaking his head. He's very sad. No, if it was Bronco,
Speaker 1: I'd resigned from the show. I'd be like, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not doing the radio thing anymore. I'm
Speaker 1: going to find something else to do. But because it's Klannie,
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely thrilled for him, because how can you like him?
Speaker 5: All?
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Speaker 6: I think is gonna come in and I think they're
Speaker 6: gonna play. I think I think they're gonna win the game.
Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be it'll be a fight, but
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Speaker 9: Be what you win.
Speaker 1: So the Vegas line has not been released, but you
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Speaker 10: This is a game I don't even know if I'm
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Speaker 1: I've got five friends who have sold their tickets. They're
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Speaker 10: You know. You got to look at the way they're performing,
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Speaker 1: let's get to the release of the pod, what the
Speaker 1: reaction has been, and how the past twenty four hours
Speaker 1: have gone for you.
Speaker 11: Well, we had an amazing event. I have to say
Speaker 11: thank you to our buddy Trey Fitzgerald and to Nate
Speaker 11: Double at KSLF were just and everybody who put together
Speaker 11: an amazing event. I had a lot of discussions with
Speaker 11: fans who've been fans a long time. They it was
Speaker 11: the perfect blend. I think my husband summed it up
Speaker 11: this way. He thought it was more intellectual than he expected.
Speaker 1: Oh dear.
Speaker 11: So, but I think it was more sentimental than some
Speaker 11: people expected. And yeah, it was a great I think
Speaker 11: it was a perfect sort of event to have right
Speaker 11: before the playoffs. You know, you're feeling this anxiety but
Speaker 11: this excitement. You know everything is possible, but also the
Speaker 11: end of the world is also you know, could happen.
Speaker 11: So it was just kind of a refocus. Jason christ
Speaker 11: Tony Beltrand and John Kimball were amazing. They just told
Speaker 11: some great stories and yeah, and then it was a
Speaker 11: chance to talk to some fans and you know, the
Speaker 11: people who were there and the reasons they came, you know,
Speaker 11: dads bringing their kids, and one gentleman who was actually
Speaker 11: undergoing cancer treatment today. And that team, that game, that stadium,
Speaker 11: that's you know, that's their reprieve, that's their the place
Speaker 11: they go to find joy and to connect with their
Speaker 11: loved ones and have fun with their neighbors. And yeah,
Speaker 11: just a reminder of why we love, uh, why we
Speaker 11: love the games.
Speaker 1: I feel like the follow up is simply, what did
Speaker 1: the Honorable Edward brass Esquire expect prior to his arrival?
Speaker 11: Uh, you know, that's a good question. All I know
Speaker 11: is he said to me, I was exhausted, you know,
Speaker 11: because it was it was a busy day. I was,
Speaker 11: And I wrote a column yesterday about you know why
Speaker 11: I wanted to do the podcast and sort of what
Speaker 11: these moments in sports, you know, the opportunity they give
Speaker 11: us for reflection in our own lives. And he said,
Speaker 11: I think it was a good thing you were tired,
Speaker 11: because you weren't so overwhelming.
Speaker 1: That's such a good line. That is such a I'm
Speaker 1: going to use that with you from now on, By
Speaker 1: the way, that is such a good lie.
Speaker 11: Like that people say, I like and honest, I need
Speaker 11: somebody to tell me I don't look good in an outfit,
Speaker 11: you know what I mean? He was complimentary, but when
Speaker 11: he said that, I was like, so I am overwhelming.
Speaker 1: I think actually only your husband could get away with
Speaker 1: saying I would never say that to you in person.
Speaker 1: All right, So I saw the piece that you wrote
Speaker 1: and it was really good. So let's talk about you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about some of this last week, but for
Speaker 1: our listeners who may have missed it, first of all,
Speaker 1: tell us what the pod, the name of the pod,
Speaker 1: where people can find it, and how how the piece
Speaker 1: you wrote about the moments in sports essentially motivated you
Speaker 1: to take on this project.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So the podcast is called Making of a Moment the
Speaker 11: RCEL Story And you know, really it started with this
Speaker 11: idea that we would just do a story or a
Speaker 11: podcast on the twenty twenty one playoff run, which you know,
Speaker 11: even a beginner like me was like, well this is unlikely.
Speaker 11: You know, this team's picked to finish last. Their coach
Speaker 11: leaves in August. They had this interim guy whose name
Speaker 11: you know, took every one a month to learn. So
Speaker 11: I I just and they didn't have an owner, so
Speaker 11: I thought it was. There was an intriguing setup there anyway,
Speaker 11: and Trey said he really pitched the idea to me
Speaker 11: because Pablo is such a unique, you know, individual and
Speaker 11: a unique head coach, and so that was sort of
Speaker 11: the premise. But what I realized when I got in
Speaker 11: there and started doing some interviews is that it's really
Speaker 11: difficult to separate all the things people go through from
Speaker 11: you know, the actions are taking in the moment that
Speaker 11: you're covering, and so watking the team go on that run,
Speaker 11: which was in credit Bot and you know, just exceeded
Speaker 11: my expectations even even as a writer, but for fans,
Speaker 11: it was, you know, just just such a ride, and
Speaker 11: it just reminded me. And we'd come through COVID. I
Speaker 11: think you and I talked about this with the BUYU
Speaker 11: Coastal Carolina game as well, and and you really we
Speaker 11: really were struggling with what what role do sports play
Speaker 11: in our lives?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 11: People are dying, people are sick, people are separated from
Speaker 11: their loved ones. I talked to people who are trapped
Speaker 11: in this country and they couldn't even go home. And
Speaker 11: you know, a woman whose husband died in the hospital
Speaker 11: while she had to sit in a parking lot and
Speaker 11: talk to him on the phone, you know, just really
Speaker 11: hard things. And I'm like, what what does what does
Speaker 11: it matter? Why do these games even matter? Why do
Speaker 11: we you know, lose our minds and spend all our
Speaker 11: money and and and dedicate so much time and energy
Speaker 11: to this And you know, it was really that playoff
Speaker 11: run and and like I said that, the high school
Speaker 11: games that I was able to go to and then
Speaker 11: the BYU game, it just sort of reminded me there
Speaker 11: is this level of connection and inspiration and it's break
Speaker 11: from life, but it's this moment of joy that you
Speaker 11: can experience. Even if you can't do the things the
Speaker 11: athletes are doing, you get to be a part of it.
Speaker 11: And if you show up and you're a fan, and
Speaker 11: it was just a reminder to me that, you know,
Speaker 11: we're supposed to have fun. Life is supposed to be joyful,
Speaker 11: and it's supposed to be about connection and loving each
Speaker 11: other and lifting each other up and celebrating things. And
Speaker 11: so yeah, it was just sort of that's where it
Speaker 11: came from. And the more I talk to people, especially
Speaker 11: the front office people, I think there was a lot
Speaker 11: of debate in our office about whether or not it
Speaker 11: would be compelling to write about executives, but so far
Speaker 11: it has been so I think it's I've gotten some
Speaker 11: of the people who came to the party have listened
Speaker 11: to episode one, and the fans, the fan groups are
Speaker 11: pretty excited about the rest of it. So you can
Speaker 11: listen to episode one and episode two will be available.
Speaker 11: Episode two is the Dave Checkett's journey. This it's called
Speaker 11: this is the Place for Soccer, and uh yeah, I
Speaker 11: hope people like it and I hope we get to
Speaker 11: do more stories like this in sports.
Speaker 1: I wonder what your experience, because you referenced Trey initially
Speaker 1: pitching it to you because of the unique approach of Pablo.
Speaker 1: What have you learned about Pablo Masteroenny and would you
Speaker 1: agree with the assertion that he is unique as it
Speaker 1: pertains to who he is as a person and the
Speaker 1: way he approaches his craft.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I recognized Pablo is unique in our
Speaker 11: first interview. I've interviewed a lot of coaches over the years,
Speaker 11: and you know, lucky for me, a lot of women's coaches,
Speaker 11: because women's coaches don't get as much attention, they're not
Speaker 11: as dated, they're not trying to hide as much. They're
Speaker 11: definitely more open. But he might be the most open, honest,
Speaker 11: vulnerable coach. And I think that was the thing that
Speaker 11: really right away I was intrigued by is he was
Speaker 11: willing to speculate, He was willing to dive off into philosophy.
Speaker 11: He would tell me, you know, tell me about one
Speaker 11: of the most traumatic events of his life, you know,
Speaker 11: shaped who he became and how he lives in the world.
Speaker 11: And you know, that was our first interview. And I
Speaker 11: can see why. You know, he is a builder, he
Speaker 11: is a connector. He's a person who because he is open,
Speaker 11: he encourages openness. And if you are hurting, or if
Speaker 11: you're upset, or if you feel slighted, you're going to
Speaker 11: be more likely to address it and talk about it.
Speaker 11: There are not a lot of things that are going
Speaker 11: to be festering under the surface with a guy like
Speaker 11: that in the room. And so and he's also a
Speaker 11: really effusive He's kind of coach. I like, where's his
Speaker 11: heart on his sleeve? You know, when someone scores a
Speaker 11: goal or does something well, he asks like he did it?
Speaker 11: I love that kind of you know Kalani Sataki that
Speaker 11: you know I just love a coach that you know,
Speaker 11: strains of hands because he's cure and so hard and
Speaker 11: he's all of that stuff. So he's like, you know,
Speaker 11: the the you know, passionate guy, but he's also like
Speaker 11: he's not he doesn't shy away from the hardest conversations.
Speaker 11: He's going to tell you why you're not playing. He's
Speaker 11: going to admit when he's wrong, and those are things
Speaker 11: that are rare in coaching, especially professional sports, because your
Speaker 11: job is on the line, and so being perfect and
Speaker 11: being you know, immune to everything and not feeling bad
Speaker 11: or not making mistakes, those are all things that seem
Speaker 11: like attractive qualities, but they're not because it's not true.
Speaker 11: There's nobody that's doing that. And so the fact that
Speaker 11: he just owns it and he just brings you in
Speaker 11: and he just lets you know, and there's no question
Speaker 11: that's stupid.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 11: We might have had some disagreements about whether or not
Speaker 11: you play soccer because it's joyful, or you play soccer
Speaker 11: because you're hungry to succeed, But like, that's the thing
Speaker 11: I really enjoyed about it was sort of wrestling with
Speaker 11: tough questions and then coming away with a different perspective
Speaker 11: because he was on he was engaged, and he wasn't
Speaker 11: just trying to give me some answers and get me
Speaker 11: out of the get out of the interview room. And
Speaker 11: that's really rare, and I would say that across the board.
Speaker 11: One of the things that in the first few months,
Speaker 11: I was like, I can't do this story because nobody's
Speaker 11: going to tell me the truth. Nobody's going to let
Speaker 11: me in. You know, That's what I love about high
Speaker 11: school sports. And it used to be this way in
Speaker 11: college where you can really have honest conversations about you know,
Speaker 11: challenges and resilience and failure and success. But everybody, it's
Speaker 11: so much money is involved now that those conversations are
Speaker 11: fewer and fewer, and so to have those in the
Speaker 11: way that I did with this team for the last
Speaker 11: three years, including your dad. I mean I bugged your
Speaker 11: dad at eleven o'clock at night wherever, and people just
Speaker 11: were so gracious. I mean, Kyle Beckerman gave me like
Speaker 11: two and a half hours one day. You know, that's
Speaker 11: just not that's not always available to you in sports.
Speaker 1: So I wonder I was kind of teasing Jason because
Speaker 1: you interviewed Jason Christ for this as well. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: uh huh Okay. So last week we had Jason on
Speaker 1: the show and I was teasing him before I brought
Speaker 1: him on. While he was listening to me, before he
Speaker 1: was able to speak. I teased the RSL match and
Speaker 1: I said, with fifty nine points, RSL would break the
Speaker 1: single season record set back in twenty twelve, therefore making
Speaker 1: Pablo master Any the greatest coach in RSL history. I
Speaker 1: was just teasing Jason, obviously, and he got the humor.
Speaker 1: But on a serious level, with somebody who sat down
Speaker 1: with both of them, do you see similarities or are
Speaker 1: they polar opposites from one another?
Speaker 11: I would say the similarity is their care is that
Speaker 11: this is not these relationships in the game matter to them.
Speaker 11: And I would say that is the case for like
Speaker 11: all the main characters in this story, Tony Beltran, Kyle Beckerman,
Speaker 11: Natum on a Waha, They're all like there are people
Speaker 11: who play and the people around them are colleagues, their acquaintances,
Speaker 11: they're people that help them get to where they're going.
Speaker 11: And the thing I would say Christ and Pablo share
Speaker 11: is this idea that people are not resources, they are
Speaker 11: human beings and they need to be connect you need
Speaker 11: to connect with them, you need to care about them
Speaker 11: as people, and that what they do on the field
Speaker 11: is you know it is it different or an extension
Speaker 11: or I think to some degree for Jason it's lesser important.
Speaker 11: I think they both are super competitive. That the you know,
Speaker 11: the competitive edge in them sort of just you know,
Speaker 11: I would not want to play checkers with either one
Speaker 11: of them or pickleball. So but you know their approach
Speaker 11: and there the way they see, you know, their responsibility
Speaker 11: to players varies a little bit. And then I would
Speaker 11: say Pablo is just a much more like I can
Speaker 11: get him to go into philosophical discussions way much deeper,
Speaker 11: much more out into the abstract, where Jason is very
Speaker 11: much about, you know, the relationships and building the relationships
Speaker 11: and like the tangible parts of the job and the team,
Speaker 11: and he's just it's interesting to me how one of
Speaker 11: the aspects of this few of episode two in tomorrow's
Speaker 11: which will drop tomorrow, is that your dad chose this
Speaker 11: place because of how much support he thought it would
Speaker 11: have from the community, and what I don't think he saw.
Speaker 11: But what has happened is that the community that was
Speaker 11: true what your dad saw was true. And what happened though,
Speaker 11: is that infused into the club and I see now
Speaker 11: it remaking like the DNA of people like Jason christ
Speaker 11: and Tony Beltan and Kyle Beckerman to where you know there.
Speaker 11: It was interesting last night to see how many of
Speaker 11: them are not from here. In fact, John Kimball was
Speaker 11: the only one. He's like, what's the name like Kimball?
Speaker 11: You know obviously I've been I was, I was from here,
Speaker 11: but but you would not know which I thought about that,
Speaker 11: I'm like, you wouldn't know which guys were from here
Speaker 11: or how how because they're still Utah now they're like
Speaker 11: the team, the club and the culture of the club,
Speaker 11: like they've influenced it, but it's influenced them and so
Speaker 11: so yeah, they have some similarities. But I would say,
Speaker 11: if you want to like talk philosophy of sport, Pablo's
Speaker 11: your man. But as far as connection and what it
Speaker 11: means to be loyal and a family member, that that's
Speaker 11: where you know, I really I had it, really loved
Speaker 11: having that conversation with Jason, and Frankly, the conversation with
Speaker 11: Jason and all of them were so good. We're going
Speaker 11: to publish them as bonus episodes because I think fans
Speaker 11: will really enjoy getting to know them that way.
Speaker 1: So when Deloye decided to exit during the process of
Speaker 1: the sale, which was never going to happen overnight, you know,
Speaker 1: he was able to grab John Kimball and bring John
Speaker 1: over from the Jazz to kind of steady the ship
Speaker 1: over there during the ownership change, and John was kind
Speaker 1: of the first domino that fell. And then you know,
Speaker 1: Trey comes back, Matt Raider comes back, Jason christ comes back.
Speaker 1: You know, Tony Beltran was already there, but it started
Speaker 1: this kind of wave of a lot of people that
Speaker 1: were there during the foundational build to kind of oversee
Speaker 1: a rebuild in a way. I wonder what your thoughts
Speaker 1: are on that. And then before I said you lose,
Speaker 1: how you would characterize the shape of the club as
Speaker 1: we say here today going into the postseason.
Speaker 11: Well, I would say, I think you're right. Them coming
Speaker 11: back did sort of bring back this shape. But I
Speaker 11: also think that there were people who stayed there, there
Speaker 11: were people who endured this, And it's one of the
Speaker 11: things we talked about is, you know, I start the
Speaker 11: podcast at a moment of crisis for the club, but
Speaker 11: it wasn't the first crisis of the club they'd been through,
Speaker 11: and it's not going to be the last crisis that
Speaker 11: they go through. And the thing that I think is
Speaker 11: remarkable is the response that they had the way. I mean,
Speaker 11: Tony Beltrend told a story last night that he actually
Speaker 11: didn't even share with me in the podcast about you know,
Speaker 11: after DeLay's interview, you know, going in and sitting in
Speaker 11: a car with Elliott at a park Elliott Falls former
Speaker 11: GM and just talking for an hour about and it
Speaker 11: was so painful for the people who were in the
Speaker 11: organization at that moment. And I think what people like
Speaker 11: John Kimball and Trey and Jason christ have given them
Speaker 11: is this confirmation that it was worth it.
Speaker 9: Like they they they.
Speaker 11: Kept that flame alive through some pretty tough times and
Speaker 11: then and now they now they get the benefit of
Speaker 11: that and the people who stayed and endured that And
Speaker 11: that was one of the things that was really compelling
Speaker 11: to me. One of the reasons I really wanted to
Speaker 11: do this podcast was that most people don't know how
Speaker 11: hard these people who've never scored a goal, who've never
Speaker 11: done anything remarkably athletic on the field, like how hard
Speaker 11: they tried to protect this thing that your dad built,
Speaker 11: and they didn't. Some of them didn't even know your
Speaker 11: dad very well. But that's how much of a communal,
Speaker 11: you know, asset it became. That it wasn't just a
Speaker 11: thing a business that is to be extracted from It
Speaker 11: is a symbiotic, you know, almost a living thing that
Speaker 11: had its own life and it was struggling, and these
Speaker 11: people kept it alive. And then absolutely the big names
Speaker 11: come back into it and bring that back, and especially
Speaker 11: John I think was really crucial because the way the
Speaker 11: way Pablo is open and vulnerable, that's the kind of
Speaker 11: executive John is. You can't be around John. I mean,
Speaker 11: you just you want to ask him like are we related?
Speaker 11: Because I feel like I.
Speaker 10: Need to hug you.
Speaker 11: He's just such an He's just not like a normal
Speaker 11: I mean, and I would say that probably about your dad,
Speaker 11: like I can't imagine your dad and I having anything
Speaker 11: in common, and I feel like we're besties now. So
Speaker 11: I you know, before this started, I don't. It's just
Speaker 11: a really remarkable place, but I did. I did get
Speaker 11: the sense when I was doing the research for this
Speaker 11: that there were people who really who really suffered to
Speaker 11: keep this, you know, this dream alive to keep this culture,
Speaker 11: you know, vibrant, And I would say that, uh, people
Speaker 11: coming back in and buying into that and picking up
Speaker 11: I have an episode four there's going to be an
Speaker 11: exchange between John Jenna, who has since passed away, and
Speaker 11: and Pablo Uh and my first interview with Pablo, my
Speaker 11: second interview with John Jenna, and they have an exchange
Speaker 11: where John Jennet thanks Pablo for bringing back you know
Speaker 11: this hope and this fire and this and this you
Speaker 11: know this joy to the building. And I didn't really
Speaker 11: pay attention to it in the moment. I just left
Speaker 11: my mics on and we were listening to it after,
Speaker 11: and it really made me emotional because you felt in
Speaker 11: his words how much it meant, how much it meant
Speaker 11: to John Jenna, a guy who had stayed and endured
Speaker 11: all this to have somebody come in and believe in
Speaker 11: what they had kept alive. And it was just a
Speaker 11: really poignant moment to me where sometimes you don't even
Speaker 11: know who saved this thing you loved, right, It may
Speaker 11: be a person you never see, a janitor. And that's
Speaker 11: what I loved about Pablo. He was like everybody's on
Speaker 11: the team, and you know, Christ is the same way.
Speaker 11: He told the story last night about one of his
Speaker 11: favorite The thing he loved most about your dad is
Speaker 11: that the first this huge interview, this big press conference
Speaker 11: they had, but the first thing your dad asked him was,
Speaker 11: you know, how is your family?
Speaker 5: Who? You know?
Speaker 11: What's your wife's name? How many kids do you have?
Speaker 11: But he cared about him as a person, and I
Speaker 11: think that is a thing that sometimes we forget about
Speaker 11: athletes and coaches and every you know, they're there for
Speaker 11: our entertainment, but they're people. They have lives and this
Speaker 11: is a heart It's a hard it takes a lot
Speaker 11: out of you, and you sacrifice a lot to do
Speaker 11: this for the community. And so heading into the playoffs,
Speaker 11: how do I think they are. I think they're in
Speaker 11: the position where they could go either way, but I
Speaker 11: have a sense that they're coming together in the right
Speaker 11: ways at the right moment, and we'll see what prevails.
Speaker 11: But I think they have the chance to do something
Speaker 11: special right.
Speaker 1: Amy hit us with the name of the pod where
Speaker 1: people can get it now. I'll set you.
Speaker 11: Loose making of a moment, the RSL story, and you
Speaker 11: can find it anywhere you'd like. To listen to podcasts,
Speaker 11: you know, Apple Spotify. You can go to our website
Speaker 11: Making of a Moment pod dot com and I am
Speaker 11: going to be writing stories on every episode and the bonus.
Speaker 11: The bonus on Friday is Brian Dunsath and you know,
Speaker 11: it's amazing content. We would love everybody to listen to
Speaker 11: it and hopefully we'll get to do.
Speaker 5: More of these podcasts.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Amy, have a good week.
Speaker 11: Okay, thanks take care.
Speaker 1: Rest is noise? They were playing coming in a set?
Speaker 1: What is this? That's a good question. What did you
Speaker 1: choose another one of these? You found your daughter's iPod
Speaker 1: and Madison Beer. It's called fifteen seconds. As the kids
Speaker 1: would say, you're trying to You're doing too much. It's extra.
Speaker 3: This is just my song. My kids don't even know
Speaker 3: what this song is. It's extra. When did you become?
Speaker 1: Dave Fox is in studio the Silver Fox, Dave Fox?
Speaker 1: Why do you purport to be a huge DM fan?
Speaker 3: I have in my entire life since before EDM the
Speaker 3: phrase was even invented.
Speaker 1: I was still into you know, dance. It wasn't around
Speaker 1: when the six with that style entire life? What do
Speaker 1: you mean that style?
Speaker 3: Back in the eighties, there was a different version of
Speaker 3: this kind of No, there wasn't. Yeah, there was. You
Speaker 3: just don't remember this is brand new. Well, that song's
Speaker 3: brand new. That's literally brand new that she released that
Speaker 3: like in the last couple of months.
Speaker 1: They've just let it go. Man, that's what I listened to.
Speaker 1: If you want to you want you want to copy
Speaker 1: my playlist very much, don't want anything that's on there.
Speaker 3: Well, I also have bluey on here for when I
Speaker 3: when we have a branddaughter.
Speaker 1: So you go anywhere from EDM to blue yeah on
Speaker 1: the Okay, Well, that's at least you have range. Dave
Speaker 1: Loui's good five questions last night. It was awesome.
Speaker 3: It was a hit, phenomenal, Yeah, ratings record, and you
Speaker 3: answered every one of them. It would be weird if
Speaker 3: I didn't answer all of them. That'd be funny. If
Speaker 3: you want todays you just sat there and said, pass, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm good Now, that's not the next I.
Speaker 1: Understand the assignment, Dave. As the kids say, I stand
Speaker 1: on business. So it was a good time last night.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in. Yeah, absolutely, I always appreciate you
Speaker 1: having me. It's always nice to get that. Rodizeo gift
Speaker 1: card like the College Football Roundtable gets. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: know what you get that? They don't you get me
Speaker 1: my studio? Yes here, So wait, they don't get that,
Speaker 1: so they have to do it with DJ. So that's
Speaker 1: why they get the gift card exactly. Well that no
Speaker 1: one's ever explained it to me like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to get something to put up
Speaker 3: with that, right, So if I start doing hits with DJ,
Speaker 3: I'll get Rhodizio maybe because I doubt he's going to
Speaker 3: be on this show.
Speaker 1: Now that's that's not there'd be a conflict of interest.
Speaker 1: I would have DJ. I love DJ, that's my guy.
Speaker 1: I just never knew that. The reason they get fed
Speaker 1: is they have to deal with that BS. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. So there you go. All right, Dave,
Speaker 1: let's bring some of the content from last night onto
Speaker 1: the show and flip the script, and now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask you questions.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 3: I wasn't prepared for this. I thought we were just
Speaker 3: gonna sit here and listen to eedm All for the twenty.
Speaker 1: Nine Sports Soccer Radio. I know you're not used to prepping,
Speaker 1: but we gotta do it. Okay, we thought Utah football
Speaker 1: at this point would be six and one, seven and zo.
Speaker 1: We thought they'd be scratching the top ten. We thought
Speaker 1: they'd be among the leaders in the Big twelve on
Speaker 1: any defensive statistical category. We thought the offense is going
Speaker 1: to be explosive. We thought that that Riceseycle Stadium was
Speaker 1: going to continue to be one of the best home
Speaker 1: stadium advantages in the Western United States. All of those
Speaker 1: things are happening forty miles that way. Yeah, Wow, it's
Speaker 1: bizarro Seinfeld upside down world, right, Isn't it nuts to
Speaker 1: think about.
Speaker 9: It that way?
Speaker 3: And I remember having you on before the season and
Speaker 3: asking you which was more plausible, the Utes running the
Speaker 3: table and making it to the college football playoffs? Or
Speaker 3: B why you not even being bowligible? And you said
Speaker 3: that you thought there's no way. B. Why you wouldn't
Speaker 3: be bullied. You were behind Kilane all the way. But
Speaker 3: I don't win six or seven games, right, But you
Speaker 3: you were not one of those that was on board
Speaker 3: with the they're going to finish fourteen. In fact, that's
Speaker 3: what we we'd phrase it, will they finish fourteen? And
Speaker 3: so in that respect to you're right, but none of
Speaker 3: us if there's anyone out there other than the members
Speaker 3: of the team themselves that thought they'd be seven. Oh
Speaker 3: at this point, they're you know, they're probably lying, but
Speaker 3: it's impressive, you know what they're doing. And watching that
Speaker 3: game the other night against Oklahoma State, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: how bad is that defense? I believe they're dead last
Speaker 3: in scoring defense in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: They are. They probably got to be close to.
Speaker 3: The last in tackling because that team can't tackle, so that,
Speaker 3: you know, you got to wonder at some point, boy,
Speaker 3: how how is b WYU even in a close game?
Speaker 3: But they still managed to win it, and that's that's
Speaker 3: the important thing. But it is just weird. It's it's
Speaker 3: upside down. I like the free I think you're the
Speaker 3: one that uses yesterday that yeah Bill was on and
Speaker 3: you said, the Big Twelve now is just drunk.
Speaker 1: It's a mess. It's a complete mess.
Speaker 3: Every team that was thought to be the front runner,
Speaker 3: including Oklahoma State, you know, is struggling, and then these
Speaker 3: other teams are coming up.
Speaker 1: So it's crazy.
Speaker 3: By the way, you had in your last segment, you
Speaker 3: were talking about all the defensive deficiency of the University
Speaker 3: of Utah's don't forget that's still in terms of scoring defense,
Speaker 3: there's still second no.
Speaker 1: I asked Nate about sacks because that's where they're struggled.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Most of their metrics are top five on defense. The
Speaker 1: ones that aren't, which is weird, is getting to the
Speaker 1: quarterback enforcing turnovers, which by the way, they're also doing
Speaker 1: that down South. Yeah, the opportunity here, but well by
Speaker 1: you as thank you. But here's what I want to
Speaker 1: ask you. What are you willing to say about what's
Speaker 1: still possible for Utah today? Because there are a few
Speaker 1: directions you could go, and there is one direction that
Speaker 1: sounds like this. I did it during talk today with
Speaker 1: Sean with OC and he summarily dismissed this possibility. And
Speaker 1: I get it because I sound like a lunatic based
Speaker 1: on what we've seen. Because what we've seen has been bad,
Speaker 1: and there's no other way to spend that from Utah.
Speaker 1: But what you have left are head to head against BYU,
Speaker 1: Colorado and Iowa State, three of maybe the four best
Speaker 1: teams of the conference along with K State. Now you
Speaker 1: have to get all three of them. You have to
Speaker 1: get every game the rest of the way. But if
Speaker 1: you win all three of those games, you have to
Speaker 1: hope that those two teams get got twice to still
Speaker 1: have something to say. That's as far fetched of an
Speaker 1: optimistic viewpoint that you can take, or you can say,
Speaker 1: are they even gonna get bull eligible? Between those two?
Speaker 1: The chasm between those two? What are you willing to
Speaker 1: say about what's left?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not willing to say that they're gonna go
Speaker 3: as far as you are and somehow sneak into.
Speaker 1: That I didn't say. I'm willing to say that. I'm
Speaker 1: asking you what you're willing to say, because that those
Speaker 1: are the two ends of the specum.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and remember that you brought this up again. See
Speaker 3: this is how much I listened to you yesterday. How
Speaker 3: they needed like one hundred things to happen to get
Speaker 3: into this twelve chance and every one of them did.
Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable. Uh So, what I'm willing to say
Speaker 3: is they'll become Bowl eligible barely. And that's about the
Speaker 3: extent of it.
Speaker 1: Wins or seven wins, What are you gonna give them? Well,
Speaker 1: at least six, he six gets your bowl eligibly. Thank you, thanks, Dave.
Speaker 1: So you said barely, I'm saying is that six or s? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What I'm willing to say is they're going to get
Speaker 3: at least to that and maybe they'll get beyond it.
Speaker 3: But I'm willing to say that's the worst case scenario.
Speaker 3: They will go bowling. But doesn't this smell a little
Speaker 3: bit like BYU last year when they were what five
Speaker 3: and two and didn't win another game?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: So that's that's I mean, every week there's more and
Speaker 3: more pressure on you.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: But we'll see, We'll see how that develops.
Speaker 3: You think about going into play a team like Houston
Speaker 3: that's not good and yet they beat TCU, the beat
Speaker 3: Utah and you know, and you start that whole thing,
Speaker 3: the competition tree.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: But I'm willing to go to that degree. Yes, they
Speaker 3: will be bull eligible. The idea of the amount of
Speaker 3: things that would happen to get them into the Big
Speaker 3: twelve champl game is almost borderline absurd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not willing to go there either. Here's
Speaker 1: what I am willing to say, though, I am willing
Speaker 1: to say that I'm not completely out on them still
Speaker 1: being really good because I still believe they have the
Speaker 1: talent on paper that I believe they had to start
Speaker 1: the season, and I believe the coaching staff has earned
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt of the community because I've
Speaker 1: seen coach with turnbad starts around. So you get Connor o'tolback,
Speaker 1: Karne's back, you get the defense back and healthy. We're
Speaker 1: going to get to the new OC in a moment.
Speaker 1: But they still have an old line that while young
Speaker 1: is shown to be good, they've got a good RB
Speaker 1: one of Mackay Bernard. They have weapons on the outside.
Speaker 1: We all have questions under center, because of course we do.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been good enough. I am willing to say
Speaker 1: that I'm leaving space for them to still look like
Speaker 1: the team I thought they could be to start the year,
Speaker 1: even though the last three games has not been anything
Speaker 1: close to what any of us expect.
Speaker 3: So you're saying you can still see them getting to
Speaker 3: nine and three. I could see him getting to eight.
Speaker 3: I have a heart, which man, I could see them getting.
Speaker 3: I think they get Houston.
Speaker 1: Dude, That BYU game is always nuts. I wouldn't be stunned.
Speaker 1: Just give it to the home team, you know. I
Speaker 1: can see three to four wins on the schedule the
Speaker 1: rest of the way. But that's stretching the imagination. It
Speaker 1: maybe it's just insane to me that based off of
Speaker 1: what we all thought, we're now debating whether or not
Speaker 1: they're bull eligible. That just doesn't seem to register in
Speaker 1: my mind. It's odd.
Speaker 3: Well, and you hit it on the head when you
Speaker 3: said there's there's few coaches who are is good at
Speaker 3: getting things right, then Coach Wit. But I still don't
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think being boligible is I mean,
Speaker 3: let's be honest, nowadays, getting bo eligible isn't like this
Speaker 3: incredible accomplishment anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't mean squad because there's so many of them.
Speaker 3: But beyond that, and I'll give them eight would be
Speaker 3: max in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I think I would say seven. If they press probably
Speaker 1: I would say seven. But they'll definitely get to six.
Speaker 1: I'd stake anything on that, which is still just insane
Speaker 1: to think about. All Right, So, as we talked about
Speaker 1: last night, Coach Blood steps down Andy Ludwig, a couple
Speaker 1: of different ten years ten years total calling plays as
Speaker 1: the OC Mike Mike Pajakian named interim coach, and we
Speaker 1: heard from Mike yesterday for the first time addressing the media,
Speaker 1: and he said, Hey, the systems in place. System is
Speaker 1: the system is what it is type thing. So what's
Speaker 1: reasonable to expect for Mike to be able to find
Speaker 1: in Andy's offense what Andy couldn't find himself. That's the
Speaker 1: that's the toughest part about this, you know.
Speaker 3: But Jaki has been at a lot of different places,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to tell you exactly why he has.
Speaker 3: In some cases, you get caught up in a coaching
Speaker 3: staff that's fired, and you're caught up in that fray.
Speaker 3: Its Northwestern offenses weren't incredible, you know, by any means.
Speaker 3: But I think Andy said it best when at least
Speaker 3: this is what coach Winningham said that Andy had related,
Speaker 3: is that they need a new voice. And maybe it's
Speaker 3: that simple, and maybe it's a matter of changing some tempo.
Speaker 3: You know, if a acting to your quarterback, and Isaac,
Speaker 3: as you know at Corner Canyon play a lot up tempo,
Speaker 3: granted as high school, but maybe that's something he's more
Speaker 3: used to, maybe a little more you know, bootleg that
Speaker 3: kind of thing. So you know, we'll see what he's
Speaker 3: able to do. But it's at the at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, it's the same player. So the bottom
Speaker 3: line is you're changing your play caller. And we see that.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say we see that a lot, but
Speaker 3: we see that occasionally at every level of football. You
Speaker 3: see it in the NFL where Okay, it's not working
Speaker 3: with this guy just did it.
Speaker 1: You're didn't want to say it. It's actually the same dynamic.
Speaker 1: I was trying to avoid saying Jets the new play
Speaker 1: caller was also the QB coach, and so Matt Hackett
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have a job anyway. Yeah, he didn't resign
Speaker 1: like Andy, but they the Jets just did the very
Speaker 1: but it hasn't fixed them. Nothing's gonna fix it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I I guess what I'm trying to say
Speaker 3: is I don't I don't really know exactly what this
Speaker 3: is going to do.
Speaker 1: I think this is a good timing.
Speaker 3: For bajaking to come in because they're playing a team
Speaker 3: that's really not very good, and you know, maybe that's
Speaker 3: an opportunity to get things right.
Speaker 1: But then you got to get.
Speaker 3: It turn around quickly because after a bye week they
Speaker 3: played BYU.
Speaker 1: Do you think that anything that happens this year will
Speaker 1: affect Kyle's decision or do you think he's already made
Speaker 1: up his mind.
Speaker 3: I don't think I mean, none of us really know,
Speaker 3: but if it were me, I don't think he's the
Speaker 3: kind of guy that's gonna want to go out on
Speaker 3: a year like this. Now, let's finish playing it out,
Speaker 3: you know, Let's say they don't win another game. Do
Speaker 3: you really want to go out on that you can't
Speaker 3: lose to Houston? No, I'm just I'm just giving you
Speaker 3: an example of what your mind frame is.
Speaker 1: Don't you want to go out with some level of success?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: You can't do this forever, But that's what I feel like.
Speaker 1: So I can't decide whether or not I believe Kyle.
Speaker 1: It would light a fire under Kyle or it would
Speaker 1: make him go good riddance, man, Like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: This is what I have to deal with because look,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I feel bad for
Speaker 1: the players. But in coaching, like you get too much
Speaker 1: blame for losses. The players have to buy in, they
Speaker 1: have to execute, they have to play well, and the
Speaker 1: coaches have to put them in positions to succeed. But
Speaker 1: once the game starts, it's on the players and they
Speaker 1: haven't been good enough. So neither of the coaches like
Speaker 1: blame to me is top to bottom and he's I mean,
Speaker 1: all the way to the top. But I wonder if
Speaker 1: having an underwhelming year like this just motivates Kyle to
Speaker 1: go my grandkids. I like to golf, I like to ski.
Speaker 1: I am chilling and I'll be an advisor the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. But good riddence to this or does
Speaker 1: it light a fire hunder? I honestly don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's the latter.
Speaker 3: I think if there's anything that really based on little
Speaker 3: comments you hear over the years from Kyle, I think
Speaker 3: two things that I suspect that drive him nuts more
Speaker 3: than what's his team's going through is nil and transfer portal.
Speaker 3: And I think we all know he's There are very
Speaker 3: few coaches that really love that, and that's the kind
Speaker 3: of thing It's driven other coaches out of the game.
Speaker 3: Might have driven Nick Saban out of the game, and
Speaker 3: he had just about anything he wanted, So I think
Speaker 3: it could be more related to that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. None of us really know.
Speaker 3: Kyle is well enough to understand and if he's motivated
Speaker 3: more as you said, by that fire, that inner desire
Speaker 3: to get the team right or the I don't see
Speaker 3: him as a good rittens kind of guy. I just don't,
Speaker 3: but but I could be wrong.
Speaker 5: Is it? You know?
Speaker 1: Is it better or worse? So let's let's say this
Speaker 1: is it. Let's let's say this is Kyle swan song,
Speaker 1: this is the last year he's doing the thing. Let's
Speaker 1: just say that. Let's say that for a moment. Is
Speaker 1: it better or worse for Morgan that this year has
Speaker 1: gone the way that it is so you can thought
Speaker 1: to be the guy that gets the train back on
Speaker 1: the tracks, or with the train going in the wrong direction,
Speaker 1: losing another in state care the offensive lineman from Spanish
Speaker 1: for work, the top two in state recruits are going
Speaker 1: to sc with everything going in the wrong direction right now?
Speaker 1: Is it better or worse for expectations for more than
Speaker 1: next year?
Speaker 3: Come on, I think it's obviously worse because you would, personally,
Speaker 3: if you were taking a job like that, you want
Speaker 3: things to be running as smooth as possible. You want
Speaker 3: things to be at the highest level if they would.
Speaker 3: Let's say they were still underfeed and ran the table,
Speaker 3: won the Big Twelve championship and went to the College
Speaker 3: Football Playoff and did well there, and then Whittingham said, perfect,
Speaker 3: we had a great season.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang it up. Morgan's gotta love that now,
Speaker 1: you grant there's some pressure, are you, Klin de Boor
Speaker 1: who has lost a couple of games, and you're not
Speaker 1: nick stating. I think a guy that always takes over
Speaker 1: for the guy is under a different microscope.
Speaker 3: I would still rather at least take a shot with
Speaker 3: a great team than have the pressure of trying to
Speaker 3: resurrect a bad one.
Speaker 1: Then be the savior that rebuilds Utah football and I
Speaker 1: got here. Look if he doesn't, no matter what the
Speaker 1: current status of the team is, he's gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on him, just like Caitlin does right now.
Speaker 1: Is in Tuscaloosa. But this is a fan base that's
Speaker 1: used to a certain level over the past fifteen years
Speaker 1: and they're not seeing it this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd still rather have a full copboard and just
Speaker 3: see what I can do with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, We'll have to see. So you're
Speaker 1: a glass half empty guy, I'm a glass half folk,
Speaker 1: but we all know this. With that nice vest, dude,
Speaker 1: thanks extra stopping by to see anything else you want
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 3: No other than Madison Beer, Thanks for playing that for me.
Speaker 3: Porter fifteen seconds again just release a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: I'll have something new for you next time you do.
Speaker 1: And too much man extra as the kids would say,
Speaker 1: but you do have the riz by Dave. All Right,
Speaker 1: five o'clock hour, how the program starts right now, signed
Speaker 1: forward the drive at five. Scott Mitchell is gonna stop
Speaker 1: by coming up in just a little bit. The former
Speaker 1: quarterback for the University of Utah played in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Obviously you can hear him on our broadcast with Bill
Speaker 1: and Sly as Utah football is going to be back
Speaker 1: at it coming up on a Saturday against Houston. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be a five o'clock kicktime. Our pregame coverage we'll
Speaker 1: begin at one o'clock. Porter's gonna have you taken care
Speaker 1: of there. As of now, Utah is a three point
Speaker 1: five point favorite. That line has actually moved the way
Speaker 1: of the utes. One time opened up at three. Now
Speaker 1: it's three and a half over under thirty six point five,
Speaker 1: which is not good. So, of course, the biggest piece
Speaker 1: of news throughout the course of the short's news cycle
Speaker 1: here locally is Andy Ludwig stepping down Mike Pajaki in
Speaker 1: we heard from Mike yesterday for the first time as
Speaker 1: he addressed the media as the new play caller for
Speaker 1: the University of Utah. And if you missed the comments,
Speaker 1: they're definitely worth your time. It's about four or four
Speaker 1: and a half minutes up on ESPN seven hundred sports
Speaker 1: dot com, So definitely check that out. And you know,
Speaker 1: very honest, very forthcoming, because the fact of the matter
Speaker 1: is is Mike talks about the system is in place,
Speaker 1: like it is what it is. He's not an outside
Speaker 1: hire that is coming in to install a brand new
Speaker 1: offensive system, like nor would you do that in the
Speaker 1: middle of the year. That's what makes this complicated. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit different than pro football. I mean, even
Speaker 1: in the NFL, you pull a move like this, the
Speaker 1: OC can put some pressure on the front office like, hey,
Speaker 1: we need a left tackle, or we need a better
Speaker 1: we need a better wide receiver. Go get DeVonta Adams,
Speaker 1: go make a trade, go change the personnel. You can't
Speaker 1: do that in college football. You can shift around certain
Speaker 1: positional groups based off the depth you feel like you
Speaker 1: have your disposal. But at this point, we know who
Speaker 1: the line is, the old line is, we know who
Speaker 1: the RB one is, we know what the weapons on
Speaker 1: the outside look like and we know, at least for now,
Speaker 1: that under center is an eighteen year old who was
Speaker 1: trying to throw touchdowns against Bountiful High a year ago.
Speaker 1: In Isaac Wilson, who just enrolled in April, like, he
Speaker 1: is still a green behind the ears, regardless of who's
Speaker 1: calling his plays. And so I just think it's fair
Speaker 1: to ask and wonder, like, what sort of difference will
Speaker 1: this change make now? We had Stevenson Sylvester on the
Speaker 1: show earlier, and I thought Sly was really good about
Speaker 1: kind of explaining this through the prism of a player.
Speaker 1: And need Orchard also live in studio because one of
Speaker 1: the things you hear every single time you hear a
Speaker 1: coaching change, what do you hear as far as the
Speaker 1: messaging goes new voice, new set eyes. We just need
Speaker 1: the locker room needs a new voice, The locker room
Speaker 1: needs a fresh perspective. And I always wonder how real
Speaker 1: that is?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 1: Again, this is Andy Ludwig's Mike spoke yesterday about his
Speaker 1: desire to come here to work for Andy. What can
Speaker 1: Mike Bijaki and find and Andy Ludwig's offense that Andy
Speaker 1: Ludwig himself could not find. I don't know the answer.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there's a lot there that I'm just not seeing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I never played college football. I can't speak
Speaker 1: to it. Maybe there's a lot that a new set
Speaker 1: of eyes and a fresh perspective can provide that I
Speaker 1: don't fully understand, because I got to be honest. If
Speaker 1: Andy himself couldn't find answers for the offense he created
Speaker 1: for this personnel group, what's a new voice utilizing that
Speaker 1: same offensive attack going to find that Andy couldn't find.
Speaker 1: Now he has been acting as the quarterbacks coach. Isaac
Speaker 1: Wilson also spoke yesterday about committing to play at the
Speaker 1: You to play for Andy, right, And Isaac, you always
Speaker 1: forget how young he actually is until you see him
Speaker 1: with his helmet off answering questions. Man, that baby face.
Speaker 1: He's just young, is all it is. And he almost
Speaker 1: looked a little bit emotional about everything that happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: a month and a half into his first college football season,
Speaker 1: Isaac Wilson is going through a coordinator change, a coaching change.
Speaker 1: The most important coach for him is now gone. It's
Speaker 1: his second offensive coordinator and we are seven games into
Speaker 1: this thing. So I certainly wonder how this is affecting him, because,
Speaker 1: let's face it, regardless of what you think about his
Speaker 1: talents or the good things that you've seen or the
Speaker 1: things that aren't so great so far, he's still the
Speaker 1: most important player on this team because he plays simply
Speaker 1: the most important position in all of team sports. You
Speaker 1: hear everybody say it, it's because it's true. So the
Speaker 1: main thing for me is understanding that relationship, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure is great because again he's been his positional coach.
Speaker 1: But as far as just functionality and as far as
Speaker 1: just technique and as far as making sure you're executing
Speaker 1: at a high level, what's going to look different. I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see, because here's the thing. It has to
Speaker 1: look different because it's been so bad. We've gone through
Speaker 1: some of these numbers as of now in the Big twelve,
Speaker 1: and hopefully this weekend will change. But the offensive numbers,
Speaker 1: they go like this, total oh fifteenth out of sixteen teams,
Speaker 1: tenth and passing ninth and rushing fourteenth and scoring fourteenth
Speaker 1: and first downs, fifteenth and third down conversions, thirteenth and
Speaker 1: fourth down conversions fourteenth, and overall efficiency eleventh in the
Speaker 1: red zone. Ironically enough, they lead the conference in time
Speaker 1: of possession, which makes no sense. What it does tell
Speaker 1: you is there are plenty of extended drives. But they're
Speaker 1: not calling kill shots the way that a Rod has
Speaker 1: been calling them down at BYU. They're not getting touchdowns
Speaker 1: in the red zone. They're settling for three way too much.
Speaker 1: They're also not turning the other team over. I mean,
Speaker 1: it really is the exact opposite of what coach Wit
Speaker 1: wants his football team to do and what we've become
Speaker 1: accustomed to seeing Coach Wits football teams actually execute. They've
Speaker 1: always been able to turn the other team over. They've
Speaker 1: always been able to create create havoc plays. They've always
Speaker 1: been able to do the things that Kyle's protege and
Speaker 1: pupil Kalanie Satake is doing at a high level down
Speaker 1: at BYU, turning the other team over, putting your offense
Speaker 1: and advantageous situations. Having such a dominant d that even
Speaker 1: if the offense isn't necessarily elite and dominant, they do
Speaker 1: just enough to keep you in games, and then the
Speaker 1: offense does just enough to score enough points to actually
Speaker 1: win because the defense is dominant. Now there are plenty
Speaker 1: of metrics that indicate this is still a really good defense.
Speaker 1: Like you can lose me with some of the conversations
Speaker 1: going on about the d not being as dominant as
Speaker 1: it once was, and maybe that's true, but I still
Speaker 1: think on paper, the talents there, and we know the
Speaker 1: coaches are in place up there that know how to
Speaker 1: coach defense is That's who coach it is. That's who
Speaker 1: Morgan is, That's who these guys are, who they always
Speaker 1: have been, and we've seen them turn around slow starts
Speaker 1: before I know I sound insane while continuing to grip
Speaker 1: to the very last branch before I fall on the
Speaker 1: ground with his team. But there's too much talent and
Speaker 1: there's a reason why everybody under the sun, not just
Speaker 1: your home with the utes, were picking Utah to win
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. It if it wasn't Utah, it was
Speaker 1: Okay State, who coincidentally enough, has also been incredibly disappointing.
Speaker 1: And if it wasn't Okay State or Utah, it was
Speaker 1: KSE State. Who's the last of like the big three
Speaker 1: standing with a chance to win this thing. KSE State,
Speaker 1: according to ESPN's FPI, actually has the second best chance
Speaker 1: to win the Big twelve behind Iowa State. BYU was
Speaker 1: third as of now. Interestingly enough, this game for Brigham
Speaker 1: Young coming up on Saturday feels a little bit like
Speaker 1: one you got to keep your eye on. They're traveling
Speaker 1: two time zones. They're going to be in Orlando to
Speaker 1: play UCF. They're a slight two point favorite as of now.
Speaker 1: UCF should have beat Iowa State. They ran all over them,
Speaker 1: they finally found a quarterback, took them seven games, but
Speaker 1: they made that announcement today and ultimately BYU's been I'm
Speaker 1: so good against the spread. I'm not telling you what
Speaker 1: to do with your cash outside of just don't bet
Speaker 1: on sports, which is my advice every day. But two
Speaker 1: time zones against a team on offense, it's kind of
Speaker 1: figure it out a little bit U c F BYU
Speaker 1: this weekend. I'd be a little bit nervous if I
Speaker 1: was a y fan, because ultimately, while BYU has answered
Speaker 1: every question thrown at them and they've won games in
Speaker 1: a myriad of different ways, I still am curious as
Speaker 1: to what it looks like when there's simply no crazy
Speaker 1: randomness to a game for BYU, like the bounces are
Speaker 1: even there isn't a crazy turnover. There isn't a crazy
Speaker 1: scoop and score pick six one hundred and thirty eight
Speaker 1: yard Parker Kingston pop return between the twenties. Everything is even,
Speaker 1: and go head to head against a really good team.
Speaker 1: I wonder what that looks like, only because we haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, and it doesn't diminish what Kalatee and a
Speaker 1: Rod and Jay Hill and those guys have done. With
Speaker 1: a seven and zero start, you can't take any thing
Speaker 1: away from them. They are firmly in the mix to
Speaker 1: win this Big twelve championship and there's no debating that.
Speaker 1: But they're utilizing the formula the coach Wit wants his
Speaker 1: team to utilize to win games. So again, the defensive
Speaker 1: metrics indicate this is still a really solid d second
Speaker 1: in total defense, fourth and rushing fifth, and passing third
Speaker 1: in efficiency. But where they fall short are the areas
Speaker 1: where we're usually seeing dominance, which is sacks their ninth,
Speaker 1: turnovers forced last fumbles forced fourteenth, interceptions ninth. So yes,
Speaker 1: they're solid in basic fundamental defensive football. They're not creating
Speaker 1: game changing plays like we've seen from Utah defenses in
Speaker 1: the past, and certainly a coach Wit Morgan Scalley type.
Speaker 1: Defense seems to always have the one dude that makes
Speaker 1: not just big plays, but game changing plays on defense,
Speaker 1: whether it's Devin Lloyd or Clark Phillips or way back
Speaker 1: in the day, Eric Weddle, Who is that player this year?
Speaker 1: How's that player been hurt? It looked like it was
Speaker 1: gonna be Connor O'Toole for a minute. They need him back.
Speaker 1: And yes, I know you guys are sick of talking
Speaker 1: about the injuries, and yes, you should have better depth
Speaker 1: in order to absorb no matter how many injuries you have.
Speaker 1: Last year probably being an exception because it was just
Speaker 1: chaos left and right. But it can't be a massive
Speaker 1: fallof losing a couple of key pieces, like every program
Speaker 1: across the country is going to run into it. So
Speaker 1: it's fair to ask whether or not the depth is
Speaker 1: there the way we thought it was. If it's going
Speaker 1: to look this bad when some of your key pieces
Speaker 1: aren't available, And then finally, what does the conversation sound
Speaker 1: like if after all the messaging from the football program,
Speaker 1: all the messaging from folks up there like Okay, fresh eyes,
Speaker 1: new perspective, new voice in the locker room, new play
Speaker 1: caller or pump for weather. This does if they go
Speaker 1: to Houston and lay An Egg and it looks the
Speaker 1: same and they can't move the football and eyes struggling
Speaker 1: with his reads and there's no discernible difference in the
Speaker 1: play calling.
Speaker 9: What is it?
Speaker 1: What's next? Like, what's the next step? At some point
Speaker 1: do you ask questions about who's under center? And I
Speaker 1: haven't put much of this on Isaac because again, eighteen
Speaker 1: years old, trying to ball out against Skyridge a year ago.
Speaker 1: Now you're asked to play against big boy, big twelve football.
Speaker 1: It was a really unfair ask right out of the gates.
Speaker 1: That's why I thought they go get sam Hewart all Right,
Speaker 1: a VET at one point, a top five recruiting his class.
Speaker 1: Brandon Rose has been in the program. What does it
Speaker 1: look like if Cam goes down, maybe Brandon's ready And
Speaker 1: we were all somewhat stunned. I think, outside of Riley
Speaker 1: Jensen deserves credit for this that they go with the kid.
Speaker 1: And I do think, you know, this is very much
Speaker 1: an in the moment job. It's an intimate like connection
Speaker 1: to a fan base right now with what's going on
Speaker 1: in the moment. To talk about what's current. So you
Speaker 1: might roll your eyes a little bit when I say
Speaker 1: in four or five, I'm really curious to find out
Speaker 1: what an eighteen year old learned through this chaos so
Speaker 1: young in his career. You know, most great players in
Speaker 1: their twenties, thirties, whatever they go on to play pro football,
Speaker 1: you can trace a career path back to some sort
Speaker 1: of adversity as a youngster. And we'll see what Isaac's
Speaker 1: made of. I mean, this is a lot of adversity
Speaker 1: for a young player who is going around the merry
Speaker 1: go round of college football for the very first time.
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Speaker 1: faith in Nick basketball this year?
Speaker 2: I think there's very few situations where they're not good.
Speaker 2: Right the roster they have, they're obviously going to be competitive.
Speaker 2: But my thoughts with the Knicks are similar to last year.
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Speaker 1: Jazz get rolling tomorrow. Isaiah Collier and Johnny Jewsang are
Speaker 1: both out load management, right am? I right? Yeah? With
Speaker 1: draft positioning, not with those not yet. Joel Embiid is
Speaker 1: going to miss the first week. Paul George out for
Speaker 1: the opener. I said this at the time when I
Speaker 1: heard all this noise. He gets paid, he needs to
Speaker 1: play well, wait till NBA basketball rolls around. At least
Speaker 1: Cameron's hurt. A lot of these guys just decided to
Speaker 1: sit out, which unfortunately, I think is an issue. I
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Speaker 2: On a Wednesday edition of the program, Spence, you mentioned it.
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