WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:04.639 Ah, right, what's going on drivetime on a Tuesday afternoon. 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.759 It's about fifteen minutes past the hour of two o'clock. 3 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:12.240 It is another lovely fall day outside, about sixty eight degrees, 4 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.240 clear and sunny here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 5 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:18.320 And as it is every single day, it's going to 6 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:20.399 have you along for the Riots Men's check hits behind 7 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:22.559 the bike. That young man is named Porter Larson. He 8 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.320 produces this radio program and we are jam packed as 9 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:27.960 you would expect this time of year, a little bit 10 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:31.600 of everything going on. The Pro football weekend came to 11 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:34.240 an end last night with a Monday night football double header, 12 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.759 one really entertaining game and then one game that you 13 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:41.280 know was close in the end, but you kind of 14 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:44.640 feel bad for those two quarterbacks, Justin Herbert as well 15 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:49.439 as Kyler Murray. But Lamar Jackson is insanely entertaining twenty 16 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:52.679 straight touchdown passes without a pick on Monday night football. 17 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.759 That's a record. The Bucks came back late and made 18 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.560 it interesting. They essentially wasted too much time at the end, 19 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:02.119 but unfortunately they've lost Chris Godwin for the year and 20 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:05.359 Mike Evans left that game as well. So Pro football 21 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:08.159 weekend behind us. Look at you a little Thursday night football. 22 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:10.599 Don't forget we are your home with the NFL here 23 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:13.719 in this market. So coming up on Thursday night we 24 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.920 will start. I cannot believe it, but week eight, oh 25 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.640 pro football is already here and it's the Vikings and 26 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.959 the Rams. From so far so Vikings really good team, 27 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.840 Rams getting better. By the way. They did announce today 28 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:27.920 that they've opened up that twenty one day practice window 29 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.079 for Puka Nakua as it looks like he is getting 30 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:33.599 closer and closer to making his return for the Rams. 31 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:37.159 So little pro football in the show. How about the 32 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:41.120 NBA it is back? Are you excited? You're going to 33 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:43.719 talk about it today? A little bit? Obviously? The Jazz 34 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:47.599 get rolling tomorrow. Nick Celtics will be the early game 35 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:51.599 on Turner and then Timberwolves Lakers will be the later 36 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:56.519 game from Crypto. They're still Kindatcrypto dot com Arena. How 37 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:58.920 many Crypto bros do you know that are like pissed 38 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.040 that they ever did that? But I guess that's still 39 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:04.480 the deal. I always have this conversation this time of year. 40 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.240 Are we a Jazz market or are we an NBA market? 41 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.800 Most people still in football mode. You understand that for 42 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:14.360 the NBA is back tonight and you should watch Turner 43 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.680 this year for no other reason that this is the 44 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:21.599 last year Charles Barkley and inside the NBA on TNT 45 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:24.120 will be a part of our lives now. They could 46 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:27.280 come back with some sort of different version, but Chuck 47 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.599 is usually on filter. This year he might get fired 48 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:34.479 for just going crazy on air, so cannot wait for that. 49 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.400 As the NBA's back, the Jazz is going to take 50 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.199 on the Grizzlies, come it out tomorrow. I was on 51 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:42.599 my guy JP Chunga's podcast today Roundball Round Up on 52 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.759 the Utah Jazz podcast network, previewing the season ahead. Had 53 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:49.800 my fantasy basketball draft last night. Number one pick Victor 54 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:54.639 wembin Yama on Team Stark. Starks got ejected. No big deal, 55 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:58.120 so pump for that basketball is back. Of course, we 56 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:00.479 will get to the college football storyline mines that have 57 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:04.280 dominated the local airwaves on both radio and television over 58 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:08.719 the past well couple of months, and Utah football the 59 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:12.039 latest with the change offensive coordinator. We heard a lot 60 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.639 of sound after practice yesterday. We're going to bring some 61 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:17.599 of that back around. Should Tom Allow from some players 62 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:21.039 and coaches talking about Mike Pajaki and what he is 63 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:25.199 tasked to do. An unenviable position in my opinion. As 64 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:27.159 he said, look, the system is installed, it is what 65 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:30.080 it is, and make some wrinkles here there. How much 66 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:31.800 of a difference can he make? It's hard to know. 67 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.159 But Utah heads to Houston. It's a slight favorite on 68 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.439 the road. EYU heads to Orlando, the happiest place on Earth, 69 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:42.240 as a slight favorite over UCF. They're a two point favorite. 70 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.199 Y you looking to extend that unbeaten start to the season. 71 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:49.400 So lot going on hockey club and action tonight against Ottawa, 72 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:52.840 RSL playoff match coming up a week from tonight against 73 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.120 Minnesota and a little bit of everything kind of colliding 74 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:58.439 right now which makes a lot of fun. Our first 75 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:02.280 guest will be Scott Mitchell, Utah quarterback, and we'll ask 76 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:05.360 Scott to walk us through the changes on staff of 77 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:07.680 what could mean for the season. We'll continue the Utah 78 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:12.199 Football Conversation with Stevens and Sylvester. Amy Donaldson will stop 79 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.039 by as well. She just released her new RSL podcast, 80 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:18.199 The Making of a Moment, and then Nate Orchard Jake 81 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:20.480 Weber Live in studio, the mayor of Sac Lake City. 82 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:22.639 How does he feel about the current day of the utes. 83 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:26.519 Its gonna bring them in studio today. Two Pelotons, two Emmys. 84 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.680 Dave Fox will join us. I was on TV with 85 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.600 Dave last night at ten thirty five km YU. We 86 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.160 call it five Questions with Spence, Scott, Mitchell, Stephens and 87 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:38.920 Sylvester Amy, Donaldson, Nate Orchard, Jake Weber, Dave Fox, Me, 88 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:40.800 Spence check. Its all of you the great listeners on 89 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:44.600 a Tuesday, and that guy Porter Larson. There are a 90 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.120 few things going on today? Did I miss anything? Every 91 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.120 day I try to come into the show and talk 92 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.240 about everything we have going on on the show and 93 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:58.759 in the market. The Royals, Yeah, playing and winning. I 94 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.879 think you got most of it. Series on Friday and 95 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.040 your talk playoff base. You're always gonna miss something. 96 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:06.600 Yeah, As you mentioned, World Series is this week, We've 97 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:11.360 got hockey, We've got soccer, We've got playoff soccer. I 98 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:15.959 should mention we've got NBA tip off this week. We've 99 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.439 got both pro and college football to discuss. So I 100 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:22.639 mean we could, if you wanted to, Spence probably do 101 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:25.000 radio until the wee hours of the night. 102 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.759 But we'll go until five or six and say good night. 103 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:31.720 From there, we'll go until six six. Yeah, we're going live, 104 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:32.360 no exceptions. 105 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:34.680 Yeah, every every single day as you know, so a 106 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:36.399 lot going on. Thanks for making us a part of 107 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:38.160 your day. You have a lot of options to listen, 108 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.160 and we're very grateful that you choose us. On a Tuesday, 109 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:43.199 Scott Mitchell will be our first guest. But before we 110 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.480 get to Scott, courtesy of our good friends at Standard 111 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.360 Restaurant Supply your tailgate headquarters. Check them out online at 112 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:52.399 Standard restaurants Supply dot com or stop ei their centralized 113 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:55.519 Salt Lake City location. On a Tuesday, stop now for 114 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:56.279 your opening tip. 115 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.839 Welcome to the Drive with Spence. Check its on Youtub's 116 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.560 number one Sports Talk Now into the studio of ESPN 117 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.560 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 118 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:08.519 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 119 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.920 Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the 120 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:16.639 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred 121 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:17.639 Southwest Temple. 122 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.680 So the big storyline of course here locally when it 123 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.319 comes to the college football world, well a couple of them, 124 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:30.000 certainly one is about BYU and this incredible magical season 125 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.560 they've had so far and will it continue? Coming up 126 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.600 this weekend in Orlando, we'll talk some BYU football at 127 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.519 some point, but of course, up this way, it's about 128 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.240 where we continue to find ourselves with the Utah football 129 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:46.120 program after all of these insane preseason projections. Where we 130 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.759 sit here today and during cross talk earlier Sean O'Connell, 131 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:53.360 Sean made a comment that just hit me right across 132 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.319 the face. We were talking about it, and you guys 133 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.360 have heard. We had Bill on yesterday, you sly on 134 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:01.600 coming up in just a little bit. I'm wondering what 135 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:05.360 people who will cover Utah football, who care about Utah football, 136 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.800 even you as a fan, if you're listening to the program, 137 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:09.680 you're a ute fan. I want you to think about this. 138 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.839 What are you willing to continue to say about Utah 139 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.480 football today as far as what is still on the table. 140 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.199 Because you can get creative and create a path for 141 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:24.160 something other than some throwaway game, you can do that. 142 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:28.399 Are you willing to And Sean said no. At this point, 143 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:30.480 he said they're probably going to go to a bowl game, 144 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.160 and then he paused and said, if they qualify for one, 145 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:38.240 and I can't believe that's on the table based off 146 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:41.360 of what we thought this team would be during the preseason, 147 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.519 because they do have a path if you want to 148 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.079 get creative when it comes to head to head against 149 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:50.759 BYU Colorado and Iowa State. Okay, So, by all incounts 150 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:53.079 and purposes, you can hate it all you want. BYU, 151 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.439 Colorado Iowa State are three of probably the four best 152 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:01.879 teams in the Big Twelve, right, And you know, it's 153 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:05.959 tough for me to stretch my imagination to have all 154 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.720 of these teams get stung as many times as they 155 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:11.240 need to get stung, even if Utah beats all three 156 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.879 of them. That's the problem. Look, I still am holding 157 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.759 out confidence in a coaching staff that I've seen turn 158 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:21.800 teams around several times that what we've seen so far 159 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:23.800 is not close to what the team can be. I 160 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.240 am still in that space. You might call me delusional 161 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:29.319 or crazy, and I might not say you're wrong. That's 162 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.639 just in the space. That's the space that I continue 163 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.080 to be in, at least as of today now. As 164 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.679 we talked about yesterday, if they go down to Houston, 165 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:41.720 Mike Bajaki and the new play caller, if they go 166 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:44.039 down to Houston, by all accounts and purposes, one of, 167 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.639 if not the worst teams in the entire Big Twelve, 168 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.240 even though they just beat TCU. If they go down 169 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.759 to Houston and it looks the same and they can't 170 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.919 move the ball and Isaac is not making the right 171 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:58.919 reads and they're not converting on third down, but they're 172 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.759 sustaining some drive here there, but they can't score touchdowns 173 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:03.679 and they settle for field goals. If we are sitting 174 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:06.639 here Monday of next week and it's the same thing, 175 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:10.320 then I think it's fair to have a conversation about 176 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:13.799 what other changes need to go down. But until something 177 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.320 like that happens, and I'm not saying it's been good, 178 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:21.000 I'm not that delusional. Until I see, you know, another 179 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:25.080 scenario where it's just completely flat, I will continue to 180 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.559 stay in the space based off the talent I believe 181 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:30.639 that's on the roster and the coaching staff that has 182 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.960 earned the benefit of the doubt to figure this thing out. 183 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:36.879 I'm going to stay in the space that it can 184 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:39.960 and potentially will look much different. I don't know how 185 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.879 much I credit that to the offensive coordinator change though, 186 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.919 and Mike Baijenkan spoke to the media yesterday. If you 187 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.679 missed it ESPN seven hundred Sports dot com, that's where 188 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.480 you go to find it ed. He essentially said, look 189 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.200 like the systems the system. Mike is not coming to 190 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.720 Utah from Northwestern yesterday. He's not coming to Utah from 191 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.559 Tennessee a week ag go. He's not coming in to 192 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.159 install a new system. Nor would you do that mid 193 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.000 season when you're dealing with eighteen to twenty four, twenty 194 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:10.159 five year olds. So it makes sense to elevate from within. 195 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:13.879 How much simply will a new voice reverberate? I don't know. 196 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.320 Sometimes I feel like that's a cliche that means nothing. 197 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.519 And Mike doesn't have anything at his disposal that Andy 198 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:24.039 didn't have. And Andy's pedigree, all due respect, is much 199 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.320 more impressive than anything Mike has ever done. I'm not 200 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.519 meeting that as a knock. I mean, if Andy can't 201 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.720 figure it out, how confident are you that Mike can't? 202 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:34.039 And that's not a knock on him. I'm just not 203 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:35.879 sure that this is the type of change that will 204 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:41.080 lead to, you know, wholesale changes. My confidence isn't necessarily 205 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:44.399 because of the change. That's the big story. I continue 206 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.480 to lean into the talent that I believe they have 207 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:51.200 when healthy, and that includes Isaac, and we've seen moments 208 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:53.559 from Isaac. We haven't seen anything extended, and there are 209 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:55.679 a myriad of reasons for that, and maybe the play 210 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:57.679 calling is one of them, and maybe Mike has some 211 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:01.039 sort of quarterback idea that Andy that's hard for me 212 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:01.519 to believe. 213 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:01.720 Though. 214 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.600 The positive space I continue to stay in stay on 215 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:08.240 is It's the main reason why we all thought there 216 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.000 were gonna be awesome all year. There is a lot 217 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:13.039 of talent on this roster. These are coaches that have 218 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:17.240 turned seasons around before, and while the schedule is a 219 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:20.240 little bit more difficult than we anticipated, they're not world 220 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.480 beaters in front of them. I think there are questions 221 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:26.639 about BYU that I still want answered. They're awesome and 222 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.440 they deserve their flowers, and they're undefeated, and that's all 223 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:31.320 that matters. No matter how you get the win, you 224 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.000 survive in advance. And there's an emphatic period full stop. 225 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.039 At the end of that statement, I'm not implying that 226 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:41.399 they haven't answered questions. I'm just saying there are some 227 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:45.720 data points available where they clearly have been fortuitous on 228 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:49.720 a number of occasions now so win championships. Luck is 229 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:53.759 part of the equation every single time, whether it's luck 230 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:55.840 with your own health, luck that maybe the other team 231 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.559 is suffering from injuries, whatever it is, luck is part 232 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:00.440 of the thing. So I don't bring it up as 233 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:05.039 a knock. I just bring it up as if there's 234 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:08.399 a game that is even with the luck factor. If 235 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:11.240 there's a game where balls don't bounce byus way every 236 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.519 single time, they're winning the turnover battle every week. That 237 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:17.039 can't happen all year. Maybe it does, and if it does, 238 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.799 Kloane gets all the awards in a game where luck 239 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:25.080 is not part of the equation, where there aren't crazy bounces, turnovers, 240 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:27.879 one hundred and thirty eight yard part returns for touchdowns, 241 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.440 and it's simply old school head to head football. What 242 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.279 does that look like against a really good team. I 243 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:35.759 still think that's a fair question to ask about BYU 244 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:40.159 and Colorado has answered a lot of questions as well, 245 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:44.000 But I do feel like that trip too Boulder is 246 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:48.879 not insurmountable. Utah and Iowa State are very similar. And 247 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.120 then on the road to tend the season at UCF, 248 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:53.360 they've lost three straight games like yes, this is not 249 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:56.559 as easy as we thought. And BYU Colorado and Iowa State, 250 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:58.399 by all accounts, are three of the four best teams 251 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.200 in the Big Twelve. But I don't view this the 252 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.519 rest of the way as something that's completely impossible. I know, 253 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.360 I sound crazy, based off the data that we have. 254 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:09.279 By every metric, this is a bottom five offense in 255 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:12.679 the Big Twelve with every metric outside of rushing, where 256 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:16.840 I think they're ninth, third down, first down, red zone, passing, 257 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.879 like protecting the quarterback. You know, ultimately, this is not 258 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:24.080 an offense right now that's scored very high. Right So 259 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.399 I get the skepticism. The defense has been good, not dominant, 260 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:30.720 dominant in some areas. They need to get healthy too. 261 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.960 I just I have not jumped off the ship as 262 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.240 of yet, I guess, is what I'm saying and talking 263 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.799 to Sean earlier when he said the most likely scenario 264 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:42.720 is they're going to play in a meaningless bowl game 265 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:45.919 and then pause and said if they qualify for one, 266 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:48.120 just hit me like a ton of bricks, and like, 267 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:51.039 I can't believe they were here talking about Utah football 268 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.960 this way. But like I said, unless they go to 269 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.840 Houston and it looks exactly the same, and they cannot 270 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:59.480 move the football, and Isaac looks confused, and the play 271 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:03.320 calling is is a fuddling. If that happens, I think 272 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:07.200 we have a different conversation next week about a quarterback change, 273 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.080 if you need one. What's going on above the offensive 274 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:13.200 coordinators pay grade. But as of now, I still remain 275 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:15.600 in the space where I think there's some hope for 276 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.200 something special left for Utah football. I just don't know 277 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.480 what it is. Football hits the road coming up this 278 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:25.120 weekend as a slide favorite taking on Houston. We'll get 279 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.200 back to some of the BYU stuff as well as 280 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.559 they look to continue there undefeated start of the season 281 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.720 against ucf Inn Orlando. But time now for our weekly 282 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:35.759 conversation with one of the best to ever do it 283 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.519 at the University of Utah, former igute and NFL player, 284 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:42.279 Scott Mitchell. On a Tuesday, Scott, Happy Tuesday, man, How 285 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:42.639 are we doing? 286 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.799 Not bad? You know, I'm working through the week here, 287 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.960 some interesting developments up on the hill there, but you 288 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:52.200 know it's going to be a new look. 289 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:54.879 It is it is, and you're the guy for this. 290 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:57.960 So we heard from Mike Bajaki and yesterday during media 291 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.720 availability for the first time Scott and it's not surprising 292 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:03.559 he said this, but he said, look, the system is 293 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.399 in place, Like the system is the system, and they're 294 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:08.279 going to be minor tweaks here there. But this is 295 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:12.279 not an outside hire. This isn't an OC coming from 296 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:15.639 cal or something. This is somebody who's been in house 297 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:19.200 and came here to work for Andy. So what's reasonable 298 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.240 to expect, Scott in your experience from this new play caller? 299 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:26.919 Yeah, you know, with not having a lot of time 300 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.000 to like implement what you do. I mean, if you're 301 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.960 a coach, you kind of have your ideas, you have 302 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:34.840 your philosophy. He's been around a lot of places, He's 303 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:39.159 been exposed to a lot of different offensive philosophies and stuff, 304 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.960 and the reality is is they're all not really that dissimilar. 305 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.320 It's just kind of how you call things and the 306 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:49.519 verbiage of things is different, but the concepts of offense 307 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:53.519 are relatively the same. And so, you know, I think 308 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:56.080 he's got a pretty good handle on what Utah does. 309 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:59.120 And he's smart, and it sounds like he's smart enough 310 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:00.919 to realize, you know, you not going to change a 311 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.480 whole lot here as far as you know the system, 312 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:07.360 it may be some of the plays in the system. 313 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.240 Maybe he might see that, Look, the tight ends haven't 314 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.320 been very involved in this. Dorian Singer, money Park. Some 315 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:17.799 of these really good receivers, you know, have been limited 316 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:21.519 in what they're doing, you know, from the passing game. 317 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:23.960 Might sit down with Isaac Wilson and say, look, you know, 318 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:26.360 let's really be honest here and let's talk about what 319 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:29.600 you really like and you're really comfortable with, because we 320 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:31.759 got to get you going, we got to get you confident, 321 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:34.000 we've got to get you out there. So maybe it's 322 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.399 it's you know, kind of when and what kind of 323 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.480 calls and who they go to, and maybe some personnel 324 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:44.399 groups change, but the basic core of the offense, they'd 325 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.559 be extremely foolish to just change all that because then 326 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:48.759 no one's going to know what they're doing. 327 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:51.399 Robbie Berry, the lead, I should just ask you your 328 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:55.039 reaction when you heard Coach Luod stepped away and your 329 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.039 reaction to kind of how this played out of the 330 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:59.559 course of about, you know, forty eight hours. 331 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.160 Well, I don't think it's something that's been short It 332 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:08.519 certainly felt like something was brewing for some time and 333 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:10.240 why that is, I you know, I don't know whether 334 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:12.559 it was that Cam Rising hadn't come back. I mean, 335 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:14.519 if you look at the very beginning of the season 336 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.720 and you you know, Cam Rising plays half a game, 337 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.640 looks great, throws five touchdown passes, next game against Baylor, 338 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:25.440 they just come out there, they're just really on the 339 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.759 same page and they're clicking. And then Cam gets injured 340 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.000 and then it just didn't look good after that. And 341 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:35.960 I think this season would be completely different if that 342 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:40.319 wasn't the case and Cam was was available. But you know, 343 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:42.759 it's not that way. And for me, you know, my 344 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:46.440 feeling just personal feeling about it and my you know, 345 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.799 to answer your question about you know, what's my my 346 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.160 feeling about it, it's it's never fun. Like I've been 347 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:54.680 through this as a player. I had a coach in 348 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:58.880 the NFL just quit. Bruce Koslk quit after the third 349 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:00.640 game of the year when I was with the Cincinnati 350 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.920 Bengals my first year there. And that was horrible, you know, 351 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:07.359 because because you you have there's so much time that 352 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.839 goes into the preparation of things that to have someone quit, 353 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.680 it's just really hard to kind of pull everything together 354 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.440 and on top of it, you develop a relationship with people. 355 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:19.880 We spent a lot of time with them. We sit 356 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.400 in there. You spend a lot of time sitting in meetings, 357 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.359 and you have practices, and you're in games, and you know, 358 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:27.960 you go to a hotel every weekend and you have 359 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:30.640 meetings in that hotel as you while you're waiting for 360 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.839 the games, you know, and and and as you're preparing 361 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:35.599 for things, and you I mean, you spend a lot 362 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:39.960 of time and and you've developed these relationships and and 363 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.440 when it ends, you know, it feels somewhat like a death. 364 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:45.200 You know, it's it's it's not a pleasant thing. Uh, 365 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:46.759 you know, no matter what, now, there may be some 366 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:49.759 guys right now that are like tickle pink because because 367 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:51.960 there's no coach that everyone loves them, and there may 368 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:53.920 be guys that go, Okay, maybe I'll get a shot 369 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:56.079 to be more involved in things now. I don't know. 370 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:59.480 But but there's always that side of it too. And regardless, 371 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.640 it's just it's just not a good situation. It's a 372 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.960 bad look and it's it's just a bad thing to 373 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:07.359 be to be a part of. 374 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:12.000 So from a quarterback's perspective, let's hone in now on Isaac, 375 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:16.759 you know. And Isaac was interviewed yesterday after practice, and 376 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:19.319 I always forget how young he is until I see 377 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.359 his face. I'm like, oh, my gosh, he is a child. 378 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:27.079 And he almost looked emotional when talking about Andy. So 379 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:28.960 I came here to play for Andy Ludwig. And then 380 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.000 he said the things you're supposed to say about full 381 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.960 faith and buying in and such. But eighteen years old, 382 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:36.680 and you know, a month and a half into his 383 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:40.559 first college football season, he's already into his second offensive coordinator. 384 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:44.000 What do you hope to see in response from Isaac 385 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:46.599 can help us understand maybe what's going through his head 386 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:47.039 right now? 387 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.759 Well, it's hard. It's hard. I imagine it'd be really 388 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:53.000 hard for Isaac because he is so young, you know, 389 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:57.200 and that maturity level to deal with something this you know, 390 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:02.079 grand and dramatic and that that's hard, you know, to deal with. 391 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:04.440 And and you do, I mean, you know, I I 392 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.319 think of my coaches when I was at Utah and 393 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.519 and and I love the system we were in and 394 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.839 I couldn't imagine being in anything other than than than 395 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:15.880 that system. And it was it was awesome, and uh 396 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.079 and and to have that kind of be ripped apart 397 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.400 that that would that would be a little bit earth shattering. 398 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:23.000 And I think there's maybe some recruiting that needs to 399 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.720 go on, uh with with the new coordinator and maybe 400 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:33.119 coach Whittingham about you know, keeping Isaac happy and and 401 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:39.359 and confident, because the thing that has to happen is 402 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.920 Isaac Wilson's got to get comfortable, and he's got to 403 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:46.680 get confident, and he's got to get productive in what's 404 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:49.680 happening with this with whatever is going on in their 405 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:52.400 offense up there. That just that just has to happen 406 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.319 because him touching the ball as much as he does 407 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:58.759 in a game, he has such an impact on what 408 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:00.599 what's going to happen in a game. You've got to 409 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.200 get that guy really comfortable and really really confident. And 410 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:06.799 I and I've said this before and I really believe it. 411 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:09.640 There needs to be a discussion and like, you don't 412 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:11.680 need all of the plays in the playbook. You know, 413 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.440 everyone says it's the full playbook available to this player, 414 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.799 and it's like that's a that's I don't think that's 415 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:21.759 a really responsible statement. It should be are the plays 416 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:26.599 available that Isaac's really confident in running and executing available? 417 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:29.920 Is that available? And what is that? And and it's 418 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:32.279 it might be hard for an eighteen year old kid 419 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.119 to say, yeah, this is what I really like, you know, 420 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.839 cause you know, be having a mature because he may 421 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:39.240 just say, well, I like everything, I don't care he 422 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:40.839 just call it. I'll just all just run it kind 423 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:43.880 of thing. But you really don't like everything, and so 424 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.599 there just has to be that kind of conversation going 425 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.079 back and forth about Okay, what do you really like? 426 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.920 What can you really do here? And Mike pa Jacian 427 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:55.359 is a guy that you know, he's been around a 428 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:58.359 lot of places and you know, and and so he 429 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:01.000 should have and he's been the quarterback coach, so there 430 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:04.079 is that relationship there, and he should have a pulse 431 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:07.400 at least on the players and what's what they can 432 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.440 do and what they can work with. And maybe he's 433 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.000 had a perspective on why this hasn't worked and maybe 434 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:16.480 he has a good solution. I don't know. I don't 435 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:18.720 know anything about him, but you know, I would I 436 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.079 would hope that, you know, he has an ability to 437 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:23.920 at least put them in a position to be more 438 00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:26.400 productive than they've been. I mean that shouldn't be too 439 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:27.720 hard because they've been terrible. 440 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:31.039 Sure, so let's dig in there, and your last part 441 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.039 is the best point. I mean, there's nowhere to go 442 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:35.640 but up, because if it gets worse, then other questions 443 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:37.200 need to be asked that I don't think people are 444 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:40.160 ready for. But so let me follow up though about 445 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.880 what you just said concerning Mike Jakian, because look, Andy 446 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:48.200 Ludwig's resume is far superior to Mike's. I'm not bringing 447 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.680 that up as a knock. You know, Northwestern offense his 448 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.480 final three seasons, they're ranking total offense one twentieth, one 449 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.720 twenty third, and one twenty fourth in yards per play. 450 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:02.480 I have a hard time I'm understanding. Like Mike says yesterday, 451 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.799 the system is the system. I have a hard time 452 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:09.039 understanding what Mike can figure out that Andy Ludwig couldn't. 453 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.440 Can you help me understand that? Or is it simply 454 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.119 just a new voice? Oftentimes when I hear they need 455 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.400 a new voice, I'm like, that feels like an excuse 456 00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:19.519 for players not executing him playing hard, Like, how real 457 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:22.079 is it when it's just a new voice? And what 458 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:24.440 can he figure out that a guy like Andy Ludwig 459 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:25.359 apparently could not. 460 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:31.279 Well, Okay, there's a lot of like speculation, I'm about 461 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:34.160 ready to say because because I don't I don't know 462 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:42.480 that anyone knows that answer. But like, and I'm just 463 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.799 talking about the situation. I'm not talking about, you know, 464 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:48.240 does he does he have better answers than Andy Ludwig. 465 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:50.400 I mean, look at what Andy Ludwig did. I mean, 466 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:56.119 he helped Utah win a couple of conference championships. He 467 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:58.480 he coached in some big games, he helped him to 468 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:03.079 an undefeated and he's had the longest tenure with Kyle Whittingham. 469 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.799 He's been a very successful coordinator. But why did he quit? 470 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.720 And did and did he really quit? You know, or 471 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.640 were there other other circumstances that maybe forced him to 472 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:17.720 quit and and and that That's that's a long conversation 473 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:21.559 if we're going to get into that one. But uh so, so, 474 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:26.200 maybe it's not you know, it's it's just like Kyle's 475 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:28.440 probably going, this is the best I can come up 476 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:30.400 with in a short period of time. I can't go 477 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.440 out and find someone to do this. It's the guy 478 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.880 that's probably had the most experienced calling plays that uh, 479 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.799 you know, that's on our staff. I mean, if you 480 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:42.880 look at their offensive staff. I mean the other guy 481 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.519 that may you know is a Jim Harding. I mean 482 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.440 Jim Harding. I don't know if he's ever been a coordinator, 483 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.680 because it's a different thing, Like it's like, okay, what 484 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:54.079 what player are you going to call here? And what 485 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.799 what player are you gonna call here? And uh, you 486 00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.000 know if you if you haven't had experience with it, 487 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:01.640 and I mean, it's you know, it's a it's it 488 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:03.519 can be a thing. I mean, you know, for me, 489 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:10.359 when I played, I I knew what I liked. Like 490 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:14.559 I I was taught that from a very early standpoint, 491 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:16.920 what do you like on first down? And why? What 492 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:18.559 do you like on third and short? What do you 493 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:19.799 like in the red zone? What do you like in 494 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.720 all these situations? But I understood what I liked and 495 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.440 I understood why I liked it. I don't know that 496 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.400 that they're they're there yet with it, but I think 497 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.640 they're just trying to do the best with the circumstances 498 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:35.599 that they're in. I don't you know that. I don't 499 00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.359 know if it's going to be better or worse, but 500 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.400 I think that's that's just where it goes. Because I 501 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.519 to answer your question in the simple terms, I don't 502 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.559 think he does know more about what what's a better 503 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.279 option than than Andy Ludwig. 504 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:49.720 At this point I got to follow up Scott, because 505 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.400 it sounds like you're saying a lot without saying the thing. 506 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.759 So I mean, we're in the space. That's the great 507 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:58.119 thing about sports socc radio. It's not a tweet and 508 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.960 it's not a column. You can talk about the possibilities. 509 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:05.119 So when you're going in that gray area where you 510 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.519 stop short of actually saying the thing, what's the thing 511 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:09.319 you want to say, it's okay to say the thing 512 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:10.000 you want to say. 513 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.160 Well, well, let's talk about Okay, let's talk about a scenario. 514 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:17.240 Coach Whittingham isn't going to coach forever. They named a 515 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:21.920 coach in waiting, and in Morgan Scalley, and Morgan Scalley. 516 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.640 Maybe Morgan Scalley goes and he's not my guy, and 517 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:29.240 maybe Kyle and and and again. I hate this, but 518 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.839 this is pure speculation. Okay, this is not I don't 519 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:34.440 know anything. I don't know a thing. Okay, just so 520 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.279 we're clear, But it's just it's just my brain thinking 521 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.920 about this, and clearly the offense isn't working, and so 522 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.519 maybe it's like, well, let's give someone else to try here, 523 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.279 a fresh face, a new face, and see what you 524 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.000 know then, because maybe maybe this might be coach Whittingham's 525 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.319 last year, and maybe he's kind of he's the one 526 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:56.039 that's going to take the bullet for this, and so 527 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.039 so Morgan doesn't have to down the road and Morgan 528 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:00.640 can kind of go, yeah, I like this guy. I 529 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.519 think he's got a chance here or or then Morgan 530 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.519 maybe next year, Morgan, if he's the coach goes. I 531 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:08.319 know that I'm going to have to look somewhere else 532 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:10.759 to get an offensive coordinator. I mean, it's a scenario. 533 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:14.000 It's just my opinion. It's not anything I know. But 534 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.640 there's a lot of reasons why they make a change 535 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.400 or made a change, and that certainly could be could 536 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:24.440 be one of them. That's all. That's really what I'm saying. 537 00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:26.720 Yeah, I don't know that that's that far fetched. And 538 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.160 it's also simply fair to say there are contractual ramifications 539 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:35.960 to terminology when somebody is no longer employed. And it's 540 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:38.519 different if you say he stepped down as opposed to 541 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:42.519 he's fired, So look like you, I don't know, I 542 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:44.599 don't know that I've ever seen coach wit be as 543 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.480 front facing about potential changes as he was. You know, 544 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.000 during media after the game, you could see the frustration. 545 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.880 And you know, I'm not saying that that was a 546 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.880 decision there was anyone other than Andy's. You know, Buya 547 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:00.920 is on accord, because that's what we've been told. But 548 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.799 we've been told a lot of things that aren't necessarily true. 549 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:05.880 And I do think it's fair to wonder whether or 550 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:09.160 not this was a change that was gently forced upon 551 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.799 him as opposed to completely being left in his own hands. 552 00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.440 That's fine to wonder aloud whether or not that's the case. 553 00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:20.640 Well, it looks you know, it looks good from the outside, like, hey, 554 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.319 we weren't getting it done. I'm responsible for that, so 555 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.920 I need to step down. And maybe that helps you 556 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:28.960 moving forward, you know, getting a new job, as opposed 557 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.759 to while I was fired, and and and you know 558 00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.400 and everything. You know, so maybe the separation and how 559 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.519 it's termed and and how everyone speaks about it is 560 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.039 a way that everyone can go forward and not have 561 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.640 it acrimonious and everyone's you know, spitting on the other 562 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.279 guy's face or whatever, because I don't care what to say. 563 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:53.359 These are never pleasant experiences when this happens. But the 564 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:57.799 coaching world is you know, so I don't know if 565 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.440 inbred is the right word, but but these guys, you know, 566 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.039 they they spend, they end up, you know. I mean, 567 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.519 this is the second time for Andy being here at Utah, 568 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.160 so I'm sure they like to keep it cordial, and 569 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.759 it's kind of professional, and it is you know, it's 570 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.920 it's just a business decision. But I think I think 571 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.880 Kyle's been frustrated for some time. Uh and and by 572 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:20.839 some time, I mean all the way back to last 573 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.880 year and and and the frustration could have stemmed from, Okay, 574 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:26.880 well we didn't get Cam back. Well what about all 575 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.519 these other guys? You know, we we haven't been able 576 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:36.200 to develop a solid backup situation for for the quarterback position, 577 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.440 and you know, in quite some time, and we weren't 578 00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:41.759 really prepared for it. And the guys that played were 579 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:47.680 you know, not ready or unacceptable solutions or unproductive solutions. 580 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.000 And and that does fall on Andy. I mean, he 581 00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.880 was the guy that was specifically designated as the national 582 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.599 recruiter of quarterbacks at Utah, and and he was the 583 00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:01.880 guy that you know, brought these these other lay and 584 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:04.599 they none of them really panned out. You know, I 585 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.400 mean he inherited Cam. 586 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:06.720 But. 587 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.680 You know he didn't have a suitable solution last year 588 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:17.079 and this year when something happened to Cam rising. 589 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.119 Scott, you know as well as anybody, this is about 590 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.119 one thing in this space and in the stratosphere, it's 591 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.599 about results, period. That's all it's about. That's all it's 592 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.839 ever about. And you know, there really isn't a ton 593 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.960 of space in the moment when your offense is essentially 594 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.519 ranked near the bottom of every major statistical category for 595 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:37.359 flowers that were given to you in the past. We 596 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.000 want to know what's going on now. And it's fair 597 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:41.720 to say, and Andy would be the first to say this, 598 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.759 it hasn't been good enough this year, wasn't good enough 599 00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:47.160 last year. And ultimately I would not blame coach Wit 600 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.480 if this was something that he was pushing for. But 601 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.079 they're really good friends and that brings into complication. So 602 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.279 of course he wants to do right by Andy by 603 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.680 letting him go out in style and in grace. And 604 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.240 there will be a time where we all look back 605 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.799 and say man Andy Ludwig potentially was the best offensive 606 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:06.720 coordinator of this generation of Utah football. He deserves a 607 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:10.400 lot of credit for that, but the end wasn't good enough. 608 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.759 And there are very few coaches that have enough built 609 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.440 in equity to survive a year and a half of 610 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.160 an emic performance. That's what it's been. And so he 611 00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:22.640 was given space, he was given rope, and he did 612 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:24.599 a great job once upon a time, but it hasn't 613 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.920 been good enough. And if this was something Kyle wanted, 614 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.079 I don't know that I would have blamed him well. 615 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.440 And here's another thing to consider too, is all coaches, 616 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.960 all head coaches, have a philosophy, right, and Kyle's is 617 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:43.000 really run first. It's really catered towards the defense. He's 618 00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.599 realized in recent years he needs to be more explosive 619 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.920 on offense. But his core belief is we got to 620 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.119 run the football. And you hear it weekend and week out. 621 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:52.599 We got to run the football, we got to stop 622 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.880 the run. And that never changes, never changes with coach 623 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.319 winning him and that might bump up against maybe the 624 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.000 philosophy of your offensive coordinator goes I think we need 625 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:04.000 to throw it more. I think we need to be 626 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.960 more explosive or I think we need to and and 627 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:08.799 and he made you know, so there could be a 628 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.920 difference of philosophy and UH with a coordinator too, and 629 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.759 and that can create some of the some of the 630 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.799 UH you know less production. It's like, well, the coach 631 00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:20.400 wants to run the ball, We're going to run the ball. 632 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.200 And the problem, quite frankly, as I've watched every single 633 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.000 play you know for the last eight years, teams are 634 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:32.759 are defending Utah differently. And with every young quarterback Utah 635 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.319 is put in the game, they put more guys in 636 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.000 the box and you can block. They're basically daring and 637 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.680 forcing Utah to throw the football. And and they're putting 638 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.400 a lot of pressure both in the run game where 639 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.880 they're making it really hard to run and they're making 640 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.200 it really hard to throw because they're they're getting pressure 641 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.559 on these on these young quarterbacks and they're they're not 642 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.880 consistently they've not been able to handle it. And so 643 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.039 that's that to me, really is the crux of the 644 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.319 issue is Utah hasn't been able to handle what these 645 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.559 defenses have been doing to it with these young quarterbacks. 646 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.240 I want to go back to something you said earlier 647 00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:15.559 when we were discussing the difference potentially that Bajaking can 648 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.359 make now that he's in as the play caller, and 649 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.200 you made a really good point about it's not necessarily 650 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.160 opening up the playbook entirely, it's finding the plays that 651 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.559 work for your personnel. We have seen moments from Isaac. 652 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:31.079 We have now it hasn't been consistently good enough from anybody, 653 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:34.119 including the play caller and the quarterback and everybody. I mean, 654 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.279 everybody needs to play better. There's no doubt. I'm not 655 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.119 singling anybody out, but I do want to point out 656 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.559 that we've seen moments from Isaac. You know, the touchdown 657 00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:43.519 passed to when he parks, he had a bullet to 658 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.240 Dorian sing Her, a couple of Caleb b. Loner finds 659 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:50.240 as well. So when you see Isaac have those moments, 660 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.200 what sort of play calling are you seeing in those moments? 661 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.279 And what sort of plays can Mike put in a 662 00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.599 place to accentuate the strengths that we all see in 663 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.000 moments from Isaac Wilson. 664 00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.119 A lot of the plays where he's had success, it's 665 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:09.079 been a really kind of clear read for him as 666 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.679 far as who he's going to and you know, when 667 00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:16.840 you get into maybe some more complicated decision making processes. Uh. 668 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.639 For example, the the interception against Oklahoma State when he 669 00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:25.119 threw the ball down the sideline and the safety intercepted 670 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:28.960 the ball like that should have never ever happened, and 671 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.440 and that was and so he's kind of but it 672 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.440 requires a little bit more of a complex read, like 673 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.639 the guy he was going to was his first read, 674 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.760 and and he really should have come to his third 675 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.239 read and and and so he just wasn't completely confident 676 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.519 with that. And what it forces you to do is 677 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.719 you're kind of tentative when you're when you're in the 678 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:53.599 pocket because you have to hold the ball longer and 679 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:56.159 then and then and you're trying to read the play 680 00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:00.039 and and and dissect what the defense is doing and 681 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:01.920 and then and then here comes the pressure, you know, 682 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.239 and it's too late. And so when he's had things 683 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:08.320 where a lot of quicker reads, simpler reads, get the 684 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:11.800 ball out quick and early. You watch TCU and and 685 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.000 they're really good at that. You know they're because and 686 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.239 they're one of the better teams in the country throwing 687 00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:19.559 the football in which is why Utah holding them to 688 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.760 only thirteen points was really good. But but they're really 689 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.239 really clear, really simple, really easy quick reads. Get the 690 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.840 ball out fast and off you go, and and and 691 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:33.039 so maybe seeing more of that, and it's in Utah's offense, 692 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:36.159 and so much of it, spence is on first down. 693 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:38.079 You know, if you can win on first down, and 694 00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:41.039 that's where Utah you know, they're not winning on third down, 695 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:42.400 and a lot of it's because they're not winning on 696 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.440 first down. And where you win, you win on first down. 697 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.000 You have a productive play. You know, you're coming right 698 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.119 out off the field onto the field and the quarterback 699 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.880 has a good, successful play right out of the shoots. 700 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.480 It just brings a lot of confidence. But if you 701 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.079 and if you get a lot of people involved early 702 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.159 in the game, they get confident, they get more into 703 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.760 the game, and and you know, and you and so 704 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.599 finding getting the ball to your your like your your 705 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:16.159 playmakers quickly, simple reads succeeds faster on first down. Then 706 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.199 then second down becomes very manageable. And third down you 707 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.159 really kind of want to limit your third downs. You 708 00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:23.840 want to go first down, second down to first down again, 709 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.400 or first down to first down, and you want to 710 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.039 try to stay out a third down as you're moving 711 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:30.800 the ball down the field as you can, or if 712 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.320 you're in third down it's third and short, it's thart 713 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:35.280 and we can run it or throw it here, whatever 714 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.559 we want to do, anythings that are disposal. Because now 715 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.280 the defense goes, well, we don't, you know, but when 716 00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.199 they when they know it's third and long, they pin 717 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.280 their ears back or they blitch you, they do whatever, 718 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:48.280 and they're and they're dictating the terms of everything. And 719 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:52.199 so that to me like just seems like the simple solution. 720 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.079 And I know it's in that offense right now, and 721 00:36:56.079 --> 00:37:00.880 and it really requires the involvement of the tight ends. 722 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:04.679 It requires involvement of these receivers moved in different positions 723 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.760 than maybe where they are and I don't and it 724 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.880 and it can be really simple to do too, So 725 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:12.760 that that would that would be what I would do 726 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.679 with a young quarterback like Isaac, just giving the simple 727 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.719 quick reads, get the ball out, get the ball in 728 00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.519 your playmaker's hands so he's not sitting there holding and 729 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:24.320 trying to figure everything out. 730 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.199 Good stuff. Scott, appreciate the time travel safety, Houston. We'll 731 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:28.679 chat soon. 732 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.480 Okay, you got it, thank you? 733 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.239 All right there he is Scott Mitchell. Coming up next, 734 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:37.000 we'll continue the Utah football conversation with Stevenson Sylvester, but 735 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:41.159 let's bring in Jeff from Farmer and Chemist on a Tuesday. Jeff, 736 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:42.280 Happy Tuesday. 737 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.559 Sir, Happy Tuesday. 738 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:43.960 I can end. 739 00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.639 I appreciate your time. Let's start with how you can 740 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.559 help people with sleep issues. That's what you've helped me 741 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:53.000 with with the gummies that I take just a piece 742 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:55.320 of a little bit before bedtime and I wake up 743 00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:58.519 feeling refreshed and rested, but not hungover. I say it 744 00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.480 all the time. Let's get you off the sleep. How 745 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.960 can you help people that have some trouble sleeping a night? 746 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.159 Yes, great question for us. 747 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.159 It's all about following the science and so there is 748 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.920 a lot of data showing that different cannabinoids help with sleep, 749 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:17.679 and they also similarly help with anxiety. So CBD combined 750 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.760 with another one called CBN is a really good combination 751 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.000 for that. And it's to your point, it's really effective. 752 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.239 You don't get hungover, you don't become dependent, it's really 753 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.280 well tolerated. It does have some drug interactions, and so 754 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.559 we always recommend talking to a pharmacist, but it is 755 00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:37.360 a really good option to some of the stronger prescription 756 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:38.920 medications that definitely have baggage. 757 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.760 Indeed, and there's also baggage involved with a lot of 758 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.119 pain meds, and there are people out there that legitimately 759 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.320 suffer from pain and they need relief. How can CBD 760 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:51.039 potentially be a safer option for maybe some pain meds 761 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:51.800 people are on now. 762 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.960 Yeah, So similar to CBN for sleep and anxiety. There's 763 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:58.920 another canabinoid called CBG, so we combine that with CBD 764 00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.679 and it's a very good anti inflammatory pain medication and 765 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.920 you avoid not only the addictive characteristics that come with opioids, 766 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:11.360 but you also avoid the renal or kidney implications that 767 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.199 come with end said like ibewprofen and also the kidney 768 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.079 stuff that comes with the seat of minefit or tilanol. 769 00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:20.000 So again, very clean, very effective, does have drug interactions. 770 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.760 So it's about it's about finding the right combination and 771 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.039 using the right dose and also the right rout of administration. 772 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:29.159 And that's why we at Farmer Chemists we want to 773 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:31.599 be that resource. We're all pharmacy trained. We would love 774 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.199 to have these types of conversations with people. 775 00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:35.519 How can people get a hold of you to learn 776 00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.679 a little bit more and also what's the special offer 777 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:38.719 you out for our listeners. 778 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:39.599 Yeah. 779 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:41.760 So we have a store in Midvel, so it's in 780 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:43.599 the center of the valley, so it's pretty convenient. It's 781 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.280 just off of I fifteen. We can always you can 782 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.360 always go in there and have a conversation. And we 783 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.559 also do a lot of phone consultation, so it's not 784 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.199 convenient to come in the store. My partner and I, Doug, 785 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:55.599 will get on the phone and talk through these issues 786 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:56.639 with anybody who wants to. 787 00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:57.360 Talk to us. 788 00:39:57.840 --> 00:39:59.400 And the nice thing is if you do that and 789 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.960 you may purchase, and you mentioned ESPN seven hundred, we 790 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.840 will take twenty percent off of any purchase. 791 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.559 Jeff, thanks for the time, man, have a great week 792 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.280 and we'll chat soon. Okay, thanks, appreciate it all right, Jeff. 793 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.960 From Farmer and Chemist, we're only getting votes for Chris 794 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.199 Farley so far, best SNL cast member of all time? 795 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.800 You're not wrong. Eight seven seven three five three zero 796 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.840 seven hundred twenty five dollars to Farmer and Chemist. We 797 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.440 had a debate a few weeks back best SNL cast 798 00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.199 member of all time. The list that I saw online 799 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.280 had Bill HATERO one, which got me off guard. I 800 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.800 thought we'd get a few Will Ferrells in maybe Sam 801 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.599 Eddie Murphy's old school fans. 802 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:41.119 I thought so too, Maybe some Adam Sandler or so 803 00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:43.679 I'd love Amy Poehler and Tina Fey. Oh sure, in 804 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.280 like the late nineties EARLYI so you thought they were 805 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:46.679 really funny on that show. 806 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.280 Best weekend update host of all time? It's Norm. It's 807 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.280 Norm MacDonald of course, don't add me Stevenson Sylvester on 808 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.239 a Tuesday Afternoon slide, Do you have a hot take? 809 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.199 Are you an SNL guy at all? 810 00:40:58.280 --> 00:40:58.480 Oh? 811 00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:02.519 Yeah, I love me some Saturday I live. Man, I'm 812 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.840 big on Will Farrow. There's so many guys that's done well. 813 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.159 I actually have to go into the archives because I'll 814 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.679 be like, oh that guy, Oh that guy. But I 815 00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.519 love how SNL has gotten a lot of people to start. 816 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:18.760 I mean, Keenan Thompson has been on there for so 817 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.840 many years you have to put him kind of up 818 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.000 there because he's done so well. It's like it's never 819 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.159 been a point where you're like, oh man, we gotta 820 00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:31.239 stop watching Keenan, right, He's done such an amazing job 821 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.480 on SNL, So kudos to him. 822 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.440 But I gotta go Will Farrow. 823 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:41.159 Every Will Farrow clip from SNL is money, and so 824 00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:43.199 Will Farrow is my top for sure. 825 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:44.840 So this is what I love about Slide. You can 826 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:46.960 ask him about anything. He's got a breakdown. He's not 827 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:49.960 most people. Most people Slide would just give me like 828 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.039 one name. You had to give me a breakdown, man. 829 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.280 I respect that there's gotta. 830 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.320 Be reason behind every action. You know, there's gotta be 831 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:02.679 a why. So for me that the reason why is 832 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:03.760 is definitely Will Farell. 833 00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.400 On that well said, Let's move over to the reason 834 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:11.599 why Utah has a new play caller. Oh gosh, how 835 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:12.119 about that? 836 00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:14.960 You don't ever want to do this stuff mid season, 837 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:18.039 but I can't help but say it over and over 838 00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:22.280 it was necessary. I like Andy Ludwig, but likes don't 839 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.880 get you wins, right. And so I know Coach Whittingham 840 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.760 and Andy Ludwig have a history. They go back a while. 841 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.639 But this is not and and and for me, I 842 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:32.960 kind of hate this so much. 843 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:33.760 The main thing is. 844 00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.639 Is like, this is just not the last year, the 845 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.480 last couple of years that I wanted to see of 846 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.039 Coach Wit. I thought Coach WIT's last few years should 847 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.800 be something magical as this year should have been, and 848 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.760 it's not going that way. Ever since Covid, we had 849 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:54.679 Ty Jordan Covid, you know, Tavi on Thomas, all these 850 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:58.880 guys Rose Bowl failures, all these stuff coming through these 851 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:03.559 last few years. I want more of a monumental ending 852 00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:06.719 to Coach Whittingham's tenure, and it's just not going that way. 853 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.960 Do you think that there's anything that could or will 854 00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.599 happen this year that would affect what Kyle's going to 855 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.519 do moving forward? I mean, look, it's not like he 856 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:19.559 has to do anything else. The statue will be built. 857 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:23.159 He is this program. Yeah, and look he's this Program's LaVale. 858 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.360 I've said it for years, and like there's nothing else 859 00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:27.800 that he has to do. I just wonder if it 860 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.159 continues to go in the wrong direction, do you feel 861 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.719 like he would want a different ending to his own story? 862 00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:36.599 Yeah, And you know what, and that may be what 863 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:38.920 it is because he's such a competitor. As far as 864 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:43.039 that competitive edge, I've learned so much of my competitive 865 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.320 edge from Coach Whittingham, and so I just know and 866 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.000 I've actually been you know, downloading some film looking for 867 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.679 the last you know, ever since the nineties, and just 868 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:56.760 seeing young coach Whittingham's face on there. He's he's been 869 00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:01.079 dialed in since the beginning, man, and so just knowing 870 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.679 his competitive edge and the University of Utah literally giving 871 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.920 him like, look, whenever you say you're done is when 872 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:08.800 we'll say you're done. 873 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:10.000 You get it. 874 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.880 And so I commend Utah for doing that because I 875 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.519 think Coach Readingham has deserved it, and he brings the 876 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.480 energy to the table, and I think that if he 877 00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:21.920 doesn't have that energy, he will stop, he will not 878 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.679 continue on. But I definitely have factored in a better 879 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:29.559 ending as far as all this is concerned. So this 880 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:32.239 off season. I talk to him every year and I'm 881 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.239 just like, so, when is it gonna be. He's like, 882 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.800 you know what, I have no idea. I keep getting 883 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:40.639 new energy, new found, you know, energy to do this 884 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.079 each and every year. So I don't know, it could 885 00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.519 be this year, could be five years down the road. 886 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:47.920 I do think it's either this year or next year 887 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:51.920 for me for sure, But you know, he keeps getting 888 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:52.960 re energized every year. 889 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:58.480 So ultimately, we heard from Mike Pajaki in yesterday for 890 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.079 the first time as far as media availability. He's been 891 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.960 around the program for a while. I'm gonna bring you 892 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:06.079 in a bring you into a conversation I just had 893 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.400 with Scott Mitchell. We talked to Bill about it yesterday 894 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.280 as well. And none of this is a knock on Mike. 895 00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:15.199 I don't know him, but he said during the media 896 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.119 availability that the system is basically in place. The system 897 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:21.840 is the system, right, You're a player, okay, So I 898 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.079 want you to help us understand what a change of 899 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:28.280 voice could potentially mean, or a different set of eyes 900 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.639 on the same problem could essentially mean. Because here's why 901 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.079 I'm asking slag like, Mike isn't going to figure something 902 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.320 out in Andy's system that Andy couldn't figure out himself, right, 903 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.719 So there has to be a net positive to the change. 904 00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.079 And I don't necessarily understand how he can make Andy's 905 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.440 offense better than Andy himself could have made it. So 906 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.920 this has to be a new set of eyes, a 907 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.280 new voice in the locker room. How real is that? 908 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.280 What sort of positive effect is reasonable to expect? 909 00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.599 I don't agree with that, Svince, I can hear it. 910 00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.199 I think there could be sick change. You know in 911 00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.599 there are the play as. I mean, I've said, it's 912 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:07.119 not the play designs. 913 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:08.159 That's the issue. 914 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.440 It's when you the timing of the play calling, like 915 00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:15.320 why are you calling this play at this point in time? 916 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.320 It just makes no sense. There was no aggressiveness in 917 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.519 our offense. It was just like we're out there playing 918 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.199 backyard football like we're practicing every time. There was just 919 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:29.559 no energy to want to put your opponent behind at 920 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.800 any point in any of the last games. Even in 921 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.639 Oklahoma State there's I was like, when are we ever 922 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.159 on the attack? It just felt like we were just 923 00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:41.360 kind of going through the motions, and that is necessarily 924 00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.639 calling the right place. I know Andy Ludwig has some 925 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.039 big plays dialed up. 926 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.679 In his system. Just when are you gonna call them? 927 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:49.159 You know? 928 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.679 And so by somebody changing up when those plays are called. 929 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.039 When those plays are dialed up could mean everything. The 930 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.599 terminology could be the same, the formations, the packages, all 931 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.199 that could be the same when those things are going 932 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:04.880 to be called is I think the biggest thing here 933 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.480 and re energizing the voice. 934 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:09.239 If as you said. 935 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.519 If Mijakie can come in here and tell these guys, look, 936 00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:17.440 our goal is to put our opponents in the dirt 937 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.159 every single play. We're going to be on the attack, 938 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.599 and I want to score even on our third and 939 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:23.199 one play. 940 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.599 I want you guys to think about scoring on this play. 941 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.480 That's a different change of voice that this offense needs. 942 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.960 And so if the players have that mindset that we 943 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:36.960 can score on every single play, there's a different energy 944 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.440 when they go and block, there's a different energy when 945 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.639 they go and run routes, and so I think that 946 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.840 that's what can be injected into this offense and what 947 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.320 they need, I mean, I need. Ludwig's done some amazing 948 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.239 things over the years, so we're not going to discredit 949 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.400 him at all for those things. But right now, it 950 00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:56.079 just felt like we've been forcing the ball into brand Keithy, 951 00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:57.800 trying to get him the ball in some kind of 952 00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.239 capacity with those arc run plays and the bubble screens 953 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.800 to he him, and it's just taking away from all 954 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:05.800 of the other talent that we have on the field. 955 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.440 When the mentality should be, you know, Brad Keathy is here, 956 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.679 he's gonna get a lot of attention. That means somebody 957 00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:14.119 else is gonna get ISO coverage. How are we not 958 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.000 taking advantage of those type of plays and those type 959 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.559 of things, And that's simply what But Jakie could come 960 00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.239 in here and do I. 961 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.840 Am thrilled to hear that you disagree with me, because honestly, 962 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:25.639 I'm just in this space where I'm like, how can 963 00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:27.519 this get better? How can this thing improve? 964 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:27.840 Right? 965 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.360 And you know, I think we've all been able to 966 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.440 see that the play calling at times have been a 967 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:34.920 bit puzzling. But I think you've always been good to 968 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.039 help us understand that the coaches can only do so 969 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.159 much and so much of this is on the players. 970 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.239 And it's not like this is the NFL where Mike 971 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:44.960 can ask Kyle to go trade for a dynamic whatever. 972 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:48.320 It is, like, the personnel is the personnel sly right, 973 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:52.360 So how help us understand how specifically Mike with the 974 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.800 same personnel could make a bit of a difference that 975 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:56.159 Andy himself could not make. 976 00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:59.920 It's and you know what, He's had a great perspect 977 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:03.400 you know this entire time he's been with the program, right, 978 00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.800 he's been close to the quarterbacks, he's been watching the 979 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:09.239 offense seeing he's been able essentially I would be able 980 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.599 to draw up my own playbook and in the dark, 981 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.480 it's like, oh, I would have ran this play here 982 00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:16.679 if I was in controls of this and that. But 983 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:18.880 you know when you have Andy Ludwick at the helm. 984 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.320 This is why football is the greatest sport. There is 985 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.679 so many people that have to be on the same 986 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.280 page in order for things to work right. The head coach, 987 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:33.159 the offensive coordinator, the quarterback, the GA's, the offensive line, 988 00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:35.559 the running backs. Everybody has to be on the same page. 989 00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:39.840 That's mindset, that's actions, that's communication. Everything has to be 990 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:43.280 on the same page. So I think the different things 991 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.480 that you can do here. With Dejon Stanley, who came 992 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.840 out in the first year, you understand he's got dynamic speed. 993 00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:50.000 Why don't you use that? 994 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.440 Why don't you have people so afraid of your speed 995 00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:56.639 When you put this package in, they're just dropping back 996 00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:59.039 and coverage, And then you can just throw a tight 997 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.480 end screen to brand I would literally put money parks, 998 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:07.119 Dorian Singer and Dejon Stanley in and run them on trips, 999 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.559 trips far and throw a tight end screen on the backside. 1000 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:14.719 Have all the attention go to the speed. Run those guys, 1001 00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.719 run those safeties off all through the field. There's different 1002 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.480 things you can do and all kinds of capacities. The 1003 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.239 whole problem is there was just no aggressiveness with our 1004 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:27.960 play calling. Everything's so bland and from the sidelines from 1005 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:32.800 a guy who isn't you know, at practices, who isn't 1006 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.639 watching these guys get ready for the opponent, I could 1007 00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:39.440 tell you what our offense was doing. So imagine what TCU, 1008 00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:42.360 Arizona State and Arizona was doing when they were game 1009 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:43.199 planning for US. 1010 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:43.880 Right. 1011 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.199 I know most of them came off of a bye. 1012 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:48.079 Week playing US, so there was a benefit to them, 1013 00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.239 but you got to take that into account when you're 1014 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:50.800 play calling. 1015 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:51.960 There was just nothing. 1016 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:56.079 Those opponents were not scared of Utah to do anything 1017 00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.639 at all. They played with their toes in the ground, 1018 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:02.519 toes forward, and they never backpedaled the entire game. And 1019 00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:06.000 so I hope that the aggressiveness takes that. I mean, 1020 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.559 you got so many people. You got Landing King on 1021 00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:11.280 this team, and he really doesn't even have a target. 1022 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:13.320 I don't even think he has a target on the year. 1023 00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.880 He was in the system and did an amazing job 1024 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:19.239 last year. Whereas he at he's a six to sixth body, right, 1025 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.280 you got Damien Alford, who's another six six six seven body. 1026 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.559 You got Caleb Loaner, who's the six to nine body, 1027 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:28.159 forty inch vertical. Right, you put those three on the field, 1028 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.960 don't you think that's gonna cause attention? Like I would 1029 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.679 put Caleb Loaner and Damien Alford right on the scenes 1030 00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:37.920 right outside the tackles flex the landing king in there, 1031 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.440 and another tall body in there. You call that the 1032 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:43.639 Monstars unit. Literally due do a jump ball? See if 1033 00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:46.079 some of these short dbs can can catch a jump 1034 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:49.159 ball to Caleb Loaner, like, why can't you do things 1035 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.639 like that? There's just absolutely nothing that we were doing 1036 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:55.719 these past three to four weeks where we showed any aggressiveness. 1037 00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:59.000 So I hope that Majakian can just understand the personnel 1038 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.880 and the people at his disposal and use them as such. 1039 00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:07.480 Okay, so you've explained to us the how, right, Like 1040 00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.920 how you think he can make a difference. I'll just 1041 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.480 follow up with do you believe he will? I mean 1042 00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.960 there is a path left there really is and taking 1043 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:19.079 some pushback for it, and I understand it sounds crazy 1044 00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.679 based off the data we have, because it's been really 1045 00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.920 bad and there's no other way to say it. Three 1046 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.880 straight losses, twelve points per game. I could run you 1047 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.679 through the offensive metrics, but you've seen them. All of 1048 00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.880 them are bottom four. Besides the rushing attack, which is 1049 00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:36.039 ninth in the conference. None of the offensive numbers are good, 1050 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.679 none of them. So you've helped us understand what it 1051 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.880 can look like. What's your confidence level that's starting on 1052 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:45.119 Saturday against Houston? It actually will look and feel different 1053 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:45.559 and better. 1054 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.119 I mean, I'm a biased guy. 1055 00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:52.960 I'm a Utah man until I die, I'm telling you so. 1056 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.320 I'm I'm very hung up on what Utah should do. 1057 00:52:57.880 --> 00:52:58.079 Right. 1058 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.480 It's that ex girlfriend with so much potential, right, it's 1059 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.159 I think Utah should do all of these things. 1060 00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.880 What they will do? I have no idea it literally, 1061 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:10.960 I have no idea. 1062 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:15.559 Why we can get up you know, twenty something points, 1063 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.880 but be afraid to get up thirty, get up forty points? 1064 00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:22.679 Why are we so afraid to put up numbers and so? 1065 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.400 And we've been like that for years. 1066 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:27.400 We've never been a team to like even when we 1067 00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.119 play some of these like and this is what surprises 1068 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:33.199 so much when we played what SUU a few years ago, 1069 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:36.280 when we put seventy points on the board, like, that's 1070 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.039 the team that we should be. We have that capability, 1071 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.840 We have a more talented roster right now than we did. 1072 00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.119 Then why are we not doing things like that? 1073 00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.800 Why did we not put fifty sixty points up on 1074 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:50.599 SUU this this the first game of the year. Why 1075 00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.840 did we not score anything on offensive Baylor in Oklahoma State? 1076 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:57.159 Like so, I'm more hung up on what we should 1077 00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:58.400 do versus what we will do. 1078 00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:02.159 I'm not in those coach meetings being able to tell 1079 00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.000 them my thoughts on how a plan of attack. I 1080 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:07.519 don't know Mike mcjakian on that, and I don't know 1081 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.280 how much control coach Whittingham is going to allow him 1082 00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:13.519 to do that. I know Coach Whittingham wants to established 1083 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.159 to run so much, but I'm just like, man, we 1084 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:18.679 got somebody who can throw the ball. Isaac Wilson has 1085 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:22.079 a tremendous arm. Understand the type of offense that he's 1086 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:26.280 come from and why you recruited him. Isaac Wilson is 1087 00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.599 not one of those we need to huddle up every 1088 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:30.760 single time and have my back to the defense in 1089 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:33.199 the huddle, call the play in the huddle, and then 1090 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:34.159 go under center. 1091 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.039 That is not Isaac Wilson. And if coach Ludwig didn't 1092 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.199 realize that, I don't know what. 1093 00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:42.320 He's doing at offensive coordinator Isaac Wilson is the guy 1094 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:44.440 you don't need to huddle. He can call the offense 1095 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:46.880 on the field, but he's able to see the defense 1096 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.199 right in front of him and not messing up his 1097 00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.639 cerebellum by turning around so much and understanding where everybody's 1098 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.639 at and keeping everything in front of him and throwing 1099 00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.800 the ball downfield. Stretching the defense out doing all these 1100 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:03.199 short crossing routes, gets everything so discombobulated and can join 1101 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:05.360 it up in the middle. It's hard to see, but 1102 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.239 if you stretch people out, you're doing a go route here, 1103 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.760 You're doing a go route there, deep over out here. 1104 00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:13.639 He's able to see those things easier. So for me, 1105 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:18.559 it's more understanding the personnel, understanding your quarterback and understanding 1106 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.559 the receivers and the running backs that are at your disposal, 1107 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.400 and doing plays that they want to run and that 1108 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:26.920 they feel that they can score on every single play. Man. 1109 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.920 So I have no idea what they will do. I'm 1110 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:31.239 just hung up on what they should do. 1111 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:33.119 Well said, all right, we got to move over to 1112 00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:35.480 the defensive side of the football. Equal time here, so 1113 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.679 much attention has been on the quarterbacks of the offensive 1114 00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.239 coordinator and slide. Most of the metrics are good. They're 1115 00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:46.079 number two in overall defense, they're fifth in past defense, 1116 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:50.599 they're third in efficiency, they're fourth in the rush. Let's see. 1117 00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:54.119 But here's where they struggle. They're ninth in sacks, they're 1118 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:58.719 dead last and force fumbles. They're fourteenth in fumbles recovered, 1119 00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.559 and they're ninth in inner SECD. They're not turning the 1120 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:05.119 other team over, although the other metrics do indicate that 1121 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.639 there is a lot there there. When it comes down 1122 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.639 good the defense can be so just overall, where are 1123 00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:13.000 you at with the defense? How good is the defense? 1124 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.079 And then what does that mean that the offense at 1125 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.360 least has to counterbalance to make sure this team can 1126 00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:18.800 start stack and wins. 1127 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:19.760 Yeah? 1128 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:24.039 Man, it's so hard, you know, because I am hard 1129 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:27.559 on the defense as a as a defensive player who 1130 00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.079 came out of this system, I would be the one 1131 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:33.800 of the If I'm not their hardest critic, I would 1132 00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:34.199 be one. 1133 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:35.599 I expect the most out of them. 1134 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.440 But I gotta give it to them, man, they have 1135 00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:41.519 been playing outstanding and those numbers are so inflated and 1136 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:45.760 some and some capacities because of the horrible situations that 1137 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:48.679 they're constantly put in, you know, from our offense turning 1138 00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:52.800 the ball over or not getting great coverage on the 1139 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.079 special teams unit starting on the wrong foot. Our defense 1140 00:56:57.159 --> 00:56:59.960 is played great with you know, conra o'tol being out, 1141 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:03.440 Karinne Reid uh being out, you know, some important pieces 1142 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:07.519 on this defense. Look, Gilman got suspended for you know, 1143 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.760 targeting one week. We've missed some important pieces and had 1144 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:15.639 to shovel some things around. I think it was Kennon Johnson, 1145 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.159 you know, the cornerback. You know, he got out in 1146 00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:24.039 the very first game. There's been some shuffling Rabbit Evans 1147 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.280 and and Elijah Davis running into the lineup. With all 1148 00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:30.800 these new guys shuffling pieces, our defense is played pretty 1149 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:32.760 darn well. I think we're top five in the nation 1150 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:36.119 and in third down percentage, which is huge. That means 1151 00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:37.920 that we're able to get off the field when we 1152 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:41.000 need to or force a field goal. I agree with 1153 00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.880 you on forcing the turnovers because you know there's so 1154 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:45.599 often I'm on the sidelines and I want to tell 1155 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.239 Karine Reid and the defense, I'm like, yo, it's got 1156 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:49.159 to be you. 1157 00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:50.960 You gotta go in here and force the turnover. 1158 00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.559 I remember we were at Oregon a couple of years 1159 00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.480 ago when we lost up there, and I was like, Karine, 1160 00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:58.679 you gotta go force to turn well, punch that ball out. 1161 00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:00.679 Next you know, he goes in, hunches it out and 1162 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:03.000 we get a turnover, and we're right in there in 1163 00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:06.079 their end zone. And I'm like, that's what our defense 1164 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:07.960 has to do right now. We have to put up 1165 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.679 points because our offense isn't and so we got to 1166 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:11.840 take it upon ourselves. 1167 00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.760 That would be the only thing our defense isn't doing. 1168 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:17.760 It's hard to look at the statistics. You know, if 1169 00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:19.760 we had complimentary offense. 1170 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:21.920 I could look at the statistics and take a story 1171 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.679 from that. But just knowing that we haven't gotten help 1172 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.440 from the offensive side of the ball and special teams 1173 00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.480 that you know, those numbers are just those numbers. And 1174 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:35.760 to hold TCU a thirty point team, Arizona another twenty 1175 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:40.880 five plus point team per game team under those numbers, 1176 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.400 I gotta tip my cap to the defense because of 1177 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:47.639 the situations that they have been so Morgan Scalley's doing 1178 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:49.800 a great job of getting these guys ready and fighting. 1179 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:53.519 Even Oklahoma State, we saw what they did to Byu 1180 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.920 when they actually gave Ali Gordon the ball and their 1181 00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.760 Dynamic team as well, and we made them look we 1182 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:04.360 made them look amateur and and and it was great. 1183 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.440 And so it's hard to tell a story for this 1184 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:10.400 defense right now. I just think that they've done a 1185 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.079 great job of what they've been given thus far. 1186 00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:14.159 They just got to finish it. 1187 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:17.320 Out, start scoring on defense, creating those turnovers, and bring 1188 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:18.719 in some more excitement to the field. 1189 00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:21.159 Sly good stuff today, man, have a great week, and 1190 00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.360 we'll get you back on soon. Okay, thanks Benz, appreciate you. 1191 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.159 Stevens and Silvester. He is on social media at s 1192 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:30.719 Sylvester fifty five is where you find him live in 1193 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:34.920 studio the Dynamic Duo. They're back. It's Nate Orchard, mayor 1194 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.239 of sack Lake City. Nate, how you doing, brother doing 1195 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:38.920 fantastic boy? Slye sounds good? 1196 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:39.679 Huh yeah, he does. 1197 00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.119 Get out there, he does. And I don't know why 1198 00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:44.840 this sly grin is happening over here with his seven 1199 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:51.639 and zh Byu. Cougar's up to you doing, man, How 1200 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.639 you doing? I know you got you guys are in 1201 00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:56.960 studio for a full segment. So we'll save it coming up. Okay, 1202 00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:00.400 advanced window products. Jake, let's start with you fall football. 1203 01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:01.760 Say what do you want our listeners to know? 1204 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.440 Look, call today to get the windows. 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As the 1250 01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.159 Mayor of sac Lake City is in student Nate Orchard 1251 01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:04.280 and the Beast in the BYU secondary back in the 1252 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:08.639 NCAA football game. Jake Weber is also with us. Indeed, indeed, 1253 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:10.800 it's better than zero. You're in the game, all right, 1254 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.039 Mayor of sack Lake City. Currently, the University of Utah 1255 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.480 in the Big Twelve is ninth in sacks, sixteenth in 1256 01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:22.280 fumbles forced, fourteenth, and fumbles recovered, in ninth in interceptions. 1257 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.599 There's a lot of attention on the offense. Of course, 1258 01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.639 Cameron got hurt. We have a change in coordinator. But 1259 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:32.039 as a guy that made a livying getting the quarterback, 1260 01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:34.239 why can't we pressure the QB? Like it's the one 1261 01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:36.239 area the defense right now that the team seems to 1262 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:36.719 be lacking. 1263 01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.119 Yeah, I looked at the stats and it was what 1264 01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:42.199 I think, in the last three games, we had one sack, right, 1265 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.960 and that was by a linebacker. Yeah, we're struggling, and 1266 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:48.480 I don't know what it is, right, whether it's the leadership, 1267 01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:53.239 whether it's you know, the accountability amongst each other in 1268 01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:56.280 that defensive room. But there just needs to be a 1269 01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:00.440 wake up call, right, And maybe coach Ludwick's stepping was 1270 01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.079 something for the team, but the guys just need to 1271 01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:07.639 find that fire again and understand that, Yeah, Utah is 1272 01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:10.599 having a struggle offensively, but this is a defense of 1273 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.880 dominant team and when the offense isn't holding their part, 1274 01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:16.519 there's no reason why Utah should have scored a touchdown 1275 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:20.440 themselves on defense on Saturday, right, And so you just 1276 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:22.440 hope that they figure it out. 1277 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:24.320 And I don't know what that is, Jake. We were 1278 01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:26.719 talking about this off air, because it's one thing to 1279 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.840 be bad every team, you know, Kaylin de bor is 1280 01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:31.960 learning what it's like to be bad in Tuscaloos. And 1281 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:33.760 I'm not saying that's a bad team, but they've got 1282 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:38.079 they have more than one loss heading into November. Alabama 1283 01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:41.280 football does for the first time since two thousand and seven. 1284 01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:45.000 It's an impossible standard, but based off the standard you 1285 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:47.719 set your fans that have certain expectations. We now have 1286 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:50.440 a fan base here that has expectations based off a 1287 01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:53.719 generation of very dominant Utah football. It's one thing to 1288 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.320 not be good. I think it's a completely different thing 1289 01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:58.360 when preseason you're thought to be the best team in 1290 01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:00.840 the conference and the numbers show you at this point 1291 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:02.719 you might be one of the worst. That's hard to stomach. 1292 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:06.000 Yeah, And you look at like I said off air, 1293 01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.480 you would have if you were to ask people if 1294 01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.159 they were taking the field or if they were taking 1295 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.039 Utah to win the Big twelve. People said Utah. And 1296 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:16.440 that's what the fan base expected, right. And when you 1297 01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:20.679 come in with expectations and we're not meeting those expectations 1298 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:22.920 and there's stuff with Cam, you kind of wonder what's 1299 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:25.800 going on. You start to you can see people quickly 1300 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:28.360 turn yeah, And that's where it's like for Utah. 1301 01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:29.679 You want to keep those fans. 1302 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:32.719 You don't want them turning, and you ask the fans 1303 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:34.920 to kind of be patient with everything. And like they said, 1304 01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:36.400 maybe there needs to be a little wake up call. 1305 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:39.320 And with coach Ludwig stepping down, that's what you hope. 1306 01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:41.199 Maybe this is the wake up call and it's able 1307 01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:44.119 to get turned around. But the last thing you want 1308 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.400 is to see fans is quickly turning and walking away 1309 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:49.559 saying I'm putting their hands up and I'm done with 1310 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:51.400 this and having the stadium half full. 1311 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:53.960 For sure, And Nate, I wanted your thoughts on that 1312 01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:58.599 because it's juxtaposed to expectations like if if Vegas set 1313 01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.639 the over under this year at and Utah was picked 1314 01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:05.039 to finish ninth in the Big Twelve, the shock factor 1315 01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:08.440 wouldn't be there. But because we all thought this was 1316 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:12.280 a potential CFP team and as Jake referenced, the favorite 1317 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:14.719 to win the Big Twelve, that changes the way the 1318 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:17.000 fan base expects you to play. How does that affect 1319 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:18.639 you as a player when things aren't going your way, 1320 01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:20.159 when you know you're doing everything you can. 1321 01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.400 Yeah, it's tough, you know from you know, the outside perspective, right, 1322 01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:28.119 and projections are projections, and that's what you know. I'm 1323 01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:30.360 sure coaches harp On, don't listen to the media, block 1324 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.559 out that noise. Let's focus on what we can control 1325 01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:35.079 in front of us and for it to fall off 1326 01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:37.480 after the hopes you know of having Cam back, this 1327 01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:40.400 is going to be it. The possibility of hosting a 1328 01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:44.440 playoff game here type of conversation, right and now, you're 1329 01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:49.000 sitting in a situation where you you did not fathom whatsoever. 1330 01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:51.559 To me, it's just you know, how do you answer that? 1331 01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:51.800 Right? 1332 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:54.400 How do you bounce back? And as players individually you 1333 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.639 have to be able to lift each other up and 1334 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:59.360 continue to just fight and move forward and finish the season. 1335 01:05:59.400 --> 01:05:59.760 How strong? 1336 01:05:59.840 --> 01:05:59.920 Right? 1337 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.239 You got five games remaining? You know that we go, 1338 01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:04.719 let's go five? And no, why not? But I mean 1339 01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:07.159 a lot of things ride obviously on the offensive side 1340 01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.519 and and what's being done there. But as far as 1341 01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.639 you know defense, I'm speaking defensively, it's control you can 1342 01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:13.880 control and just go out and make plays. 1343 01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:17.400 So, Jake, the last two games, it's been Arizona, And 1344 01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:20.199 I said the Monday after the Arizona game, I don't 1345 01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:25.079 think I've ever felt such underlying anxiety and nervousness from 1346 01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:27.039 a fan base in a stadium. And then I went 1347 01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.320 to the TCU game. I'm like, that's two games in 1348 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:31.719 a row where the air is taken out of a 1349 01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:35.039 stadium that, when really popping, is one of the best 1350 01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:38.199 home field advantages west of the Mississippi River. Like, what 1351 01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:40.559 have you felt this year as you've gone to youte 1352 01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.119 football games that feel different? Than you games in the past. 1353 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:49.519 The the energy is not like the juice, and you're 1354 01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:51.800 waiting like who's gonna step up and be the guy 1355 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:55.320 and who's gonna make the play? Defensively, like you talk 1356 01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:58.559 about you thought would they the defense? Could the defensive 1357 01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:01.280 scored and I'm gonna like flip it to yu where 1358 01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:05.519 like that when they beat Uh, I'm facing what game 1359 01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:07.920 it was, but where the defense was putting points Kansas State, 1360 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:12.000 the defense is putting up points, which it was every game. Yeah, 1361 01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:15.000 it's been every game like that. And that's where Utah 1362 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.440 like the defense. They make plays and that's what Utah 1363 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:21.239 is known for. And you come into Utah and the 1364 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:23.880 stadium is gonna be loud, fans will be packed, and 1365 01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:26.280 you're gonna hit the mouth, and it just seemed like 1366 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.079 it's that has not been there. And then from like 1367 01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.320 the fans, you just kind of hear like the rumble. 1368 01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:34.199 It's like quickly everyone's amped up, ready to go, and 1369 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:36.920 then it can quickly turn and then the grumblings and 1370 01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:38.519 kind of looking at you like wait, what's going on, 1371 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:39.079 what's going on? 1372 01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:40.800 And that air just kind. 1373 01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.280 Of seems to just slip out of the stadium and 1374 01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:46.199 you're hoping that the team can when's the defense canna 1375 01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:46.519 make play? 1376 01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:48.559 When's that play coming? Because at the end. 1377 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:51.000 Of the game, they're down six and people were walking 1378 01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:55.079 out down six A game wasn't over game, third quarter, 1379 01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:57.400 game could have been won, and people are walking out 1380 01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:01.800 as if for fans you want them. The team needs 1381 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.239 the stadium like that is a home field advantage, and 1382 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:06.119 if you don't have that, if you don't have the 1383 01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:07.920 fans backing you, that just makes it tough as a 1384 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.440 team to finish the game, to make that play to 1385 01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:11.280 get in the end zone. 1386 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:13.960 I was by a group that was leaving and then 1387 01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:16.479 Isaac hit money Parts for the touchdown, and they were 1388 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:18.399 pissed they had to walk back in. They're like, oh, man, 1389 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.319 I guess I'll stay. But with such little confidence Nate 1390 01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:22.479 that they were going to be able to get it 1391 01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:24.680 done at the end. But here's my question for you. 1392 01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:27.319 You're the player, well both of you, but you're the 1393 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:30.640 player in the locker room delpus understand Look. Mike ba 1394 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:34.760 Jakian spoke to the media yesterday and said the system's 1395 01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:38.840 in place. Systems the system. They didn't just hire Mike 1396 01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:42.720 from you dubbed to install his own system. He's simply 1397 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:45.399 going to utilize the system that was already in place. 1398 01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:48.920 So if Andy Ludwig couldn't find anything out of his 1399 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.640 own system, is it realistic to expect Mike to make 1400 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:54.720 miracles happen when there's not a change in personnel and 1401 01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.880 it's the same playbook, Like, are you confident that a 1402 01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.840 new voice is new eyes are needed? Because I don't 1403 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.399 know schematically what Mike is gonna do that Andy couldn't do. 1404 01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:05.399 Does that make sense? Yeah? 1405 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:07.600 And Mike, I know Mike and Andy go way back, right, 1406 01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:09.439 and Mike has his track record and has a lot 1407 01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:13.000 of success at various schools and in the NFL. Really, 1408 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.720 what it comes down to, I look at it from 1409 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.720 the perspective, you know, as a player being on a 1410 01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:23.000 team in meetings and locker rooms in practice where hey, 1411 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:25.720 you maybe have this coach who is the OC or DC, 1412 01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:28.960 but by golly, we got this corner cornerback coach or 1413 01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:32.760 dB coach that is unbelievable that hey, if he were 1414 01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:35.079 the guy, that's a no brainer. And I don't know, 1415 01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:37.439 maybe that is from Mike's Mike's case, right, maybe there 1416 01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:39.079 is a lot of respect for him and what he 1417 01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:41.600 does behind the scenes and the way he he motivates 1418 01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.279 the players, uh, and how he communicates with his quarterbacks. 1419 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:48.439 And so with this, you know, maybe Mike's going into 1420 01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:52.000 it like, hey, let's just keep it simple. Let's let's 1421 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.720 not overcomplicate this thing. Football is football, go out there 1422 01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.680 and have fun. Let's simplify the offense. Let's throw these 1423 01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:00.600 short passes. Let's let's work the run game when we can. 1424 01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.079 But Isaac, let's get you comfortable in the pocket on 1425 01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.119 first second down before we really start to open up. 1426 01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:09.359 You know, the playbook, but just keeping it very basic. 1427 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:11.399 And I look at it in the sense of, like, 1428 01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:14.279 you know, my OC as a six the six year 1429 01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:16.159 old flag football team of my son is. 1430 01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:18.159 Like I got I got two or three plays. 1431 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:20.119 That's it, maybe, you know, and like just just that 1432 01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:23.359 bread and butter, you know, one run, one run, play, 1433 01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:26.039 two pass plays and they just perfect it and it 1434 01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:27.760 looks so good, and you think these kids are a 1435 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:29.359 bunch of all stars, and that's all they need to do. 1436 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:33.279 You flip the play, run, pass, run it on both sides. 1437 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:35.359 You get stuff going down the middle, and from there 1438 01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:37.920 you're just getting momentum. And with that momentum, comes confidence. 1439 01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:41.960 I look into Arizona right with those fourth down situations 1440 01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:45.199 where we couldn't convert. Those are those are momentum killers, 1441 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:46.680 not only for your team but for the people in 1442 01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:48.760 the stadium. And so as long as you can keep 1443 01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:51.119 momentum going each drive, you're marching on the field, you 1444 01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:53.720 come up with three points, maybe a touchdown, but you're 1445 01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:55.960 getting something. And that's where you get the trust and 1446 01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:57.560 the confidence and your players on the sidelines. 1447 01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:02.119 So social media is an interest animal, and I'm grateful 1448 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:04.520 it was not around when I was in college. It 1449 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:06.800 is a necessary evil as far as what I do 1450 01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:08.960 for a living, I don't enjoy it. I'm rarely on it. 1451 01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:11.800 I do not live online. The internet is where cowards 1452 01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.720 go to field break. But you know what's interesting is 1453 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:17.920 it does give you a peek inside because this generation, 1454 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:21.600 you know, twenty four to twenty five and under, they 1455 01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:24.800 were raised with cell phones as their best friends, their babysitters, 1456 01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:28.439 and they their way of life is online. Their way 1457 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.479 of life is on social media. You know, I did 1458 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.399 have my first cell phone until I was in college, 1459 01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:34.279 like twenty one, twenty two years old. There's a flip 1460 01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:37.159 phone like a Nokia that was horrible. So I didn't 1461 01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:39.399 snake on that phone though, and I was good at 1462 01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:42.960 stay at place you say, so, I don't relate to 1463 01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:46.159 what it's like. Like NBA coaches now talk about it. Halftime, 1464 01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:48.239 the players go check their phone. That's the first thing 1465 01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:50.720 to do at halftime. So it gives you a peek 1466 01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:52.880 into the mind of some of these young men who 1467 01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:56.279 Landing King sent out a post on social media Dorian 1468 01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:00.159 Singer wasted talent. They're all kind of firing out on 1469 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:02.720 social media, Like Dorian Singer is implying that his talent 1470 01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:04.800 is being wasted at the University of Utah based off 1471 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:07.239 an Instagram post he set out. It's a silly way 1472 01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:09.439 to do reporting, but when you don't get a lot 1473 01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:12.399 of access to the players, the frustration is mounting. That's 1474 01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.159 my point. So my question to you is, how do 1475 01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:17.119 you keep it together as a guy that was in 1476 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:18.680 the locker room, as a guy that was a leader 1477 01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:22.399 in the locker room? Three straight l's everybody's coming at you. 1478 01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:25.279 There's a little bit of dissension. It feels like Coach 1479 01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:27.359 Wood says, they're all connected. How do you keep it 1480 01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:28.199 together as a player. 1481 01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:34.079 It starts with your leadership committee, and really you're your captains, right, 1482 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:37.319 and those are the guys that I mean I was 1483 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:39.560 at my senior year. Not to pat myself on the back, 1484 01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:41.479 but like people look to me for guid They look 1485 01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:44.000 to see how I was respond to certain situations, whether 1486 01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:46.520 we had to run extra gassers or it was another 1487 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.319 lift or in a game, right when it's crunch time, 1488 01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:52.439 how is he going to respond? Because whatever his reaction is, 1489 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:54.720 that's what we're going to ride with. And so it 1490 01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:56.479 comes down to the guys in the locker room. Now 1491 01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:59.319 that Cam's you know, out of the picture, he can 1492 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:01.680 still be a void. But at the same time, your 1493 01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:03.600 play does all the talking. So those guys who are 1494 01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:07.199 on the field playing, who are those the main guys, Like, 1495 01:13:07.399 --> 01:13:10.199 how are they what's their message to the team, how 1496 01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:12.760 are they, you know, interacting with the guys and getting 1497 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:14.800 them on the same page to really finish out strong 1498 01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:17.039 with these last five games, And who's to say that 1499 01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:18.760 they're fully out of the picture, right, I mean, go 1500 01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:22.119 undefeated and make it hard for the committee and make 1501 01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:25.439 something happen. But to me, it's just the players in 1502 01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:28.199 the locker room. Coaches can only do so much. You 1503 01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.840 look at this as if you know, we've obviously sped 1504 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:32.720 up the process of the NFL. Right, you got nil 1505 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:35.720 money thrown around everywhere. You guys are your own entities. 1506 01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:38.439 You know, you got to treat it as a business, 1507 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:41.199 and you're out here making business decisions like what direction 1508 01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:43.479 do we want to move as a team, what are 1509 01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:45.920 we going? How are we going to deal with this adversity? 1510 01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:48.039 And it's just up to the players. 1511 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:51.199 So we thought Utah football at this point would be 1512 01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:54.039 I thought they'd be undefeated at this point of the season. Okay, 1513 01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:57.000 I thought the schedule down the stretch, post some challenges. 1514 01:13:57.279 --> 01:13:59.960 Thought they'd be undefeated, thought they'd be borderline top ten, 1515 01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:02.920 and thought they'd be making plays on defense. Thought they'd 1516 01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:05.600 be dynamic on offense. Thought they'd have a great home 1517 01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:10.600 field advantage. And that's all happening forty miles down that way, right, 1518 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:12.760 So Nate will start with you, and then we'll. 1519 01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:15.960 Let I got to use rushing Biken. 1520 01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:20.079 Then we'll know it really is like Seinfeld bizarro world. Right, 1521 01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:23.159 they've done the switch arooo, and everything that's happening with 1522 01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:26.279 BYU is exactly what I thought would happened with Utah. 1523 01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:27.800 Does that make it sting a little worse. 1524 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:31.600 Oh what I mean. I'm talking about in church, out 1525 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.279 on the streets, at the grocery store. I can't even 1526 01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:36.479 fill up my gas the same. You got people just 1527 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:38.319 looking and smirking that you know, deep down you know 1528 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.000 the BYU fans and obviously me being a ute, they 1529 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:42.479 know what's up. And so yeah, it's hard. 1530 01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:45.399 It's hard, Jake, go ahead, path are you feeling over there? 1531 01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:47.800 I'm shocked. I'm gonna be honest. 1532 01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:50.199 I think most people thought it was going to be 1533 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:52.640 the opposite, like you said, but b YU would be 1534 01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:55.359 three and four, and it's like, hey, are they gonna 1535 01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:57.000 be able to get into a bowl game this year? 1536 01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:00.479 Fan base struggling with coaching, Yeah, like struggling coaches, so 1537 01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:03.640 expectations were lower. Like you got people like on the 1538 01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:05.560 bandwagon like yeah, they're gonna be great, They're gonna be great, 1539 01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:08.000 but like really it's like they're gonna be if they 1540 01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.800 can make a bowl game, good, that's a good year. 1541 01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:12.359 Kilanie's probably got another year. 1542 01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:16.840 And you talk about with Utah set expectations, b YU 1543 01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:21.600 expectations and to have that flipped and BYU fans, and 1544 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:25.279 you talk about social media popping off and saying stuff 1545 01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:27.840 like this, there's excitement. Oh yeah, and it's like they're 1546 01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:31.279 the real deal. And it's amazing how quickly fan bases 1547 01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:34.119 can turn and people who were closet fans, all of 1548 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:35.079 a sudden they come out and. 1549 01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:36.479 They are in your face. 1550 01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:40.960 But it's a BYU looks great and Kilanie has done something. 1551 01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:45.439 He's the players coach. There's energy the sideline game. Defense 1552 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.079 is making plays, offense is making plays when they need to, 1553 01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:52.039 and that's what you expect from Utah and it's just 1554 01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:53.680 to have that switched. 1555 01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:56.600 It feels a little bit surreal, like as you're at. 1556 01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:59.600 At the Utah game, everyone is talking about the BYU 1557 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.760 game like that is in the second quarter, third quarter, 1558 01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:05.439 it's like, man, this season might be over, but what 1559 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:08.800 about the BYU game? What's BYU doing? How are they 1560 01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:10.720 doing that game? And you start talking about that and 1561 01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:13.960 then it gets it's almost like the distraction what's happening 1562 01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.720 down south and where you can tell they're focused, they 1563 01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:18.800 know what they're doing, and they're gonna come up here 1564 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:20.800 at sull Lake and letn't be ready to go. 1565 01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:24.880 And the interesting thing is, I'm old enough like the 1566 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:27.800 young Utah fans like go vape, all right, leave us alone. 1567 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:31.560 I'm old enough to remember, like when Lavelle was the 1568 01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:33.720 head coach. I think it was like twenty one and 1569 01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:37.920 two against Utah over like something like that. It was insane. 1570 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:40.039 And that's when I grew up and my grandfather was 1571 01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:41.760 a member of the Cougar clubs who were down there 1572 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:44.279 all the time. If Utah kept it close, it was 1573 01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.279 a miracle. Occasionally I think it was eighty eight with 1574 01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:49.199 Eddie Johnson, it was a miracle win, right, everybody celebrated. 1575 01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:52.199 So there's a generation of that and then Nate Now 1576 01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:55.640 there really has been a generation of youth football dominance. 1577 01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:58.359 They got Utah last time, but okay, you got one. 1578 01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:01.319 It's it's something like, what's sixteen and two or something 1579 01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:05.119 in eighteen years. So what makes it sting is the 1580 01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:09.079 fear in this community that we're going back to what 1581 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:11.520 it was like back then when Utah football could never. 1582 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:13.960 I'm not saying that's where we're at. I'm saying that's 1583 01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:16.039 the fear as you see them do what they're doing 1584 01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:17.520 and we're watching what's happening up. 1585 01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:19.680 Here and without a doubt, and for me, you know, 1586 01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:22.279 it's hard because Klonnie. 1587 01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:25.520 I think it's the best. I think it's like that 1588 01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:29.000 for everyone. Every is like Colon but I love Clonie. 1589 01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:32.319 Yeah, and like Kilanie sat In you know the weight 1590 01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:34.760 room at Highland High School to recruit me along with 1591 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:36.760 Jay Hill, and you know, those guys are the reason 1592 01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:38.560 why I came to Utah and to see them there. 1593 01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:43.000 I mean, it's a bittersweet situation, but obviously I lead 1594 01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.960 Red through and through and wish for nothing but the 1595 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:50.199 best for them. But it's a yeah, it's just tough. 1596 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:50.479 No. 1597 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.439 You can actually see Nate on YouTube right now. He's 1598 01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:57.680 shaking his head. He's very sad. No, if it was Bronco, 1599 01:17:57.840 --> 01:17:59.720 I'd resigned from the show. I'd be like, I'm not. 1600 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.960 I mean, I'm not doing the radio thing anymore. I'm 1601 01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.000 going to find something else to do. But because it's Klannie, 1602 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:08.159 I'm genuinely thrilled for him, because how can you like him? 1603 01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:08.239 All? 1604 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.000 Right, last thing and then we'll get to the deal 1605 01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:13.039 Advanced Window Products. Actually we'll start with Jake Nate. We'll 1606 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:16.159 give you the last work as of today. What do 1607 01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:18.520 you think happens on November ninth when b Y's in 1608 01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:22.279 town to play Utah as it today, There's like, I 1609 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:24.319 go Nates, Nate's hurting over here. 1610 01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:26.600 I think is gonna come in and I think they're 1611 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.720 gonna play. I think I think they're gonna win the game. 1612 01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:31.880 I think it's gonna be it'll be a fight, but 1613 01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:32.239 I think. 1614 01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:32.680 Be what you win. 1615 01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:35.279 So the Vegas line has not been released, but you 1616 01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:37.119 can look at some of the projections as of now. 1617 01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:39.159 B Yu would be a favorite on the road to 1618 01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:41.640 be Utah slight one. I Know where your heart is 1619 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:44.159 Nate November the ninth, b Yu rose to sol A. 1620 01:18:44.279 --> 01:18:46.560 Can you even get can you even put yourself into 1621 01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:48.920 a situation and consider that Utah may not win? 1622 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:50.920 This is a game I don't even know if I'm 1623 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:52.680 gonna go to. I might be watching from home. 1624 01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:55.119 I've got five friends who have sold their tickets. They're 1625 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:59.039 going out of town. Man might call it that week 1626 01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:04.239 to work. But you know it's the numbers don't lie. 1627 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:06.439 You know. You got to look at the way they're performing, 1628 01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:09.800 the way Utah is And I'm gonna have to say, 1629 01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:11.720 b why you might run away with this one? And 1630 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:13.640 as much as I hate to say it, yeah, football 1631 01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:14.439 is so weird. 1632 01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:17.279 None of us knew anything to start the season. All right, 1633 01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:20.800 advanced window products, Jake, you guys have a fall football special, 1634 01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:22.840 but you're upping the ante for listeners to give you 1635 01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:24.640 a call today. Let's hear about it. Yeah, it's right, 1636 01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:25.159 call today. 1637 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:27.279 Just get on the schedule and we're going to give 1638 01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:30.840 you three thousand dollars off ten or more windows. And 1639 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:34.079 the weather is turning. We've got pretty outside right now. 1640 01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:37.439 But a lot of homeowners you think back to last year, 1641 01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:40.520 the money that you spent on those energy bills to 1642 01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:43.199 heat your house, and as you're sitting there watching the 1643 01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:45.760 game and you have that draft or you're looking at 1644 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:47.199 your windows, you put your hand up next to it 1645 01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:48.399 and is just freezing cold. 1646 01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:49.479 Like, get rid of that. 1647 01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:52.199 Let's have let's change your let's transform your home, and 1648 01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:54.920 call today because that's what we're going to do. You 1649 01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:59.880 throw new windows in there, high quality, they're all manufactured 1650 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:03.840 locally with a lifetime warranty. You're buying them factory directs, 1651 01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:05.800 so you're getting a better product for a better price 1652 01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:09.600 with guys that are gonna stand behind the product. We're 1653 01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:13.079 both from here, we're both Nate is the mayor of 1654 01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:15.399 Sack Lake City. He's not going anywhere. He's not hiding. 1655 01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:18.159 We're not going out of business. The number of window 1656 01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:21.960 companies that they end up like pop up for three years, 1657 01:20:22.079 --> 01:20:24.199 replace a bunch of windows, and then are gone. And 1658 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:25.920 then you got people calling us in like, hey, I 1659 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:28.119 bought windows from a company that's no longer here? 1660 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:29.720 Can you service my windows? 1661 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:32.560 Like, sorry, we service our own windows, but you should 1662 01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:34.439 have bought them from us in the first place. And 1663 01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:37.199 most customers, they get those windows in and they're asking, 1664 01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:38.359 why did I wait? 1665 01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:39.479 So call today. 1666 01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:41.199 We're gonna give you three thousand dollars off to ten 1667 01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:43.000 or more windows, and we're gonna have rob outs your 1668 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:44.039 house the next day or two. 1669 01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:48.439 Three thousand dollars savings, and ultimately, Nate, there's probably an 1670 01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:51.479 element that's not discussed enough because not only do you 1671 01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:54.560 want your house warmer so it's comfortable, if you come 1672 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:56.560 home from work in the winter and you put your 1673 01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:59.119 hand on the window, it's called your hemorrhaging money on gas. 1674 01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:03.279 So ultimately rebates right available, but you're saving money in 1675 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:05.920 the process of actually updating your windows too. Exactly. 1676 01:21:06.039 --> 01:21:08.359 Yeah, And you know, with those rebates from Rocky Mountain 1677 01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:10.840 Power and Dominion Energy, you know that's just money back 1678 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:13.439 into your pocket. And you know, you don't notice really 1679 01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:16.239 how much, you know, the energy efficiency that you're losing 1680 01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:19.640 through your windows, those big openings in your home, whether 1681 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:21.960 that's the lack of the quality in the frame, the 1682 01:21:22.039 --> 01:21:25.720 poor glass quality, those things are just draining the energy 1683 01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:28.039 out of your home. And just you know, you your 1684 01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:30.039 bills are just going up. And so you know within 1685 01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:31.880 a year after you get those new windows, you'll start 1686 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:33.520 to notice significant savings. 1687 01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:37.119 So here's the deal. Call today to save three thousand dollars. Now, 1688 01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:39.960 you save three thousand dollars whether you put an order 1689 01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:43.039 in for work immediately or you need it done later on. 1690 01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:46.119 So if you anticipate, maybe give your wife a gift 1691 01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:49.319 for the holidays, for Christmas, you can save three thousand 1692 01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:51.600 dollars on the process. Maybe you're thinking about buying or 1693 01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:53.600 selling a home in the spring, Well you can save 1694 01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:56.399 three thousand dollars by calling today, regardless of when you 1695 01:21:56.439 --> 01:21:58.720 need the work done. So here's the number. It's eight 1696 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:01.640 oh one eighty five zero ninety one. Took the plunge. 1697 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:05.399 I took the plunge. Told you I wasn't gonna do it, 1698 01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:07.600 but I went to Costco and I got a box 1699 01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:12.479 of on crustables good. I don't know, man, I don't 1700 01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:14.640 think this is a good thing. But well, I had 1701 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.119 one during the break. They're they're too good. It's hard 1702 01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:19.000 to only have one. I could finish four or five 1703 01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:21.079 of those things. So they stock the fridge with them 1704 01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:24.000 here at work. We clean those out in a couple 1705 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.600 of days. And I always thought, like, I can't buy 1706 01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:28.600 a whole box of them because I'll be unable to 1707 01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:31.479 stop there. That's that's an elite snack, man, that's a 1708 01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:34.520 Tier one snack. A grape on crustable is a Tier 1709 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:36.359 one snack. It's a it's an elite snack. 1710 01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:39.159 And I keep a frozen box of uncrustables in my 1711 01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:40.520 freezer at all times, so. 1712 01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:42.159 They have to be in the freezer. They have to 1713 01:22:42.199 --> 01:22:45.920 be in the freezer. Tier one snack expert Amy Donaldson 1714 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:48.439 joins us, Now, have you ever tried an uncrustable? 1715 01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:53.319 Listen, that's a running staple. They're amazing and you can 1716 01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:55.880 leave them in your backpack a week later you can still. 1717 01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:59.000 Eat them all right, grape or strawberry? Which is better? 1718 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:00.479 Great? 1719 01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:01.119 Every day? 1720 01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:01.399 Yeah? 1721 01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:01.600 Great? 1722 01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:05.039 No, I'm with you, I'm with you. Tier Tier one snack. Amy, 1723 01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:06.840 thank you for the time on a Tuesday. All right, 1724 01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:10.640 let's get to the release of the pod, what the 1725 01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:13.319 reaction has been, and how the past twenty four hours 1726 01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:14.000 have gone for you. 1727 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:17.439 Well, we had an amazing event. I have to say 1728 01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:20.560 thank you to our buddy Trey Fitzgerald and to Nate 1729 01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:25.600 Double at KSLF were just and everybody who put together 1730 01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:29.880 an amazing event. I had a lot of discussions with 1731 01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:34.279 fans who've been fans a long time. They it was 1732 01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:37.479 the perfect blend. I think my husband summed it up 1733 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:41.319 this way. He thought it was more intellectual than he expected. 1734 01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:42.079 Oh dear. 1735 01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:45.800 So, but I think it was more sentimental than some 1736 01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:49.439 people expected. And yeah, it was a great I think 1737 01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:52.239 it was a perfect sort of event to have right 1738 01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:56.239 before the playoffs. You know, you're feeling this anxiety but 1739 01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:59.199 this excitement. You know everything is possible, but also the 1740 01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:02.199 end of the world is also you know, could happen. 1741 01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:05.520 So it was just kind of a refocus. Jason christ 1742 01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:12.520 Tony Beltrand and John Kimball were amazing. They just told 1743 01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:15.600 some great stories and yeah, and then it was a 1744 01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:18.399 chance to talk to some fans and you know, the 1745 01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:21.159 people who were there and the reasons they came, you know, 1746 01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:25.800 dads bringing their kids, and one gentleman who was actually 1747 01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:31.319 undergoing cancer treatment today. And that team, that game, that stadium, 1748 01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:35.279 that's you know, that's their reprieve, that's their the place 1749 01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:37.399 they go to find joy and to connect with their 1750 01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:40.920 loved ones and have fun with their neighbors. And yeah, 1751 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:44.439 just a reminder of why we love, uh, why we 1752 01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:45.239 love the games. 1753 01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:47.960 I feel like the follow up is simply, what did 1754 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:52.359 the Honorable Edward brass Esquire expect prior to his arrival? 1755 01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:56.279 Uh, you know, that's a good question. All I know 1756 01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:58.239 is he said to me, I was exhausted, you know, 1757 01:24:58.319 --> 01:24:59.840 because it was it was a busy day. I was, 1758 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.760 And I wrote a column yesterday about you know why 1759 01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:06.239 I wanted to do the podcast and sort of what 1760 01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:09.479 these moments in sports, you know, the opportunity they give 1761 01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:13.319 us for reflection in our own lives. And he said, 1762 01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:14.600 I think it was a good thing you were tired, 1763 01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:16.000 because you weren't so overwhelming. 1764 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:20.199 That's such a good line. That is such a I'm 1765 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:22.279 going to use that with you from now on, By 1766 01:25:22.319 --> 01:25:23.479 the way, that is such a good lie. 1767 01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:27.079 Like that people say, I like and honest, I need 1768 01:25:27.119 --> 01:25:29.239 somebody to tell me I don't look good in an outfit, 1769 01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:31.760 you know what I mean? He was complimentary, but when 1770 01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:34.439 he said that, I was like, so I am overwhelming. 1771 01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:37.640 I think actually only your husband could get away with 1772 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:39.439 saying I would never say that to you in person. 1773 01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:42.439 All right, So I saw the piece that you wrote 1774 01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:46.319 and it was really good. So let's talk about you know, 1775 01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:48.079 we talked about some of this last week, but for 1776 01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:50.800 our listeners who may have missed it, first of all, 1777 01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:53.000 tell us what the pod, the name of the pod, 1778 01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:56.159 where people can find it, and how how the piece 1779 01:25:56.199 --> 01:26:00.279 you wrote about the moments in sports essentially motivated you 1780 01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:01.840 to take on this project. 1781 01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:03.239 Yeah. 1782 01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:05.880 So the podcast is called Making of a Moment the 1783 01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:09.439 RCEL Story And you know, really it started with this 1784 01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:11.960 idea that we would just do a story or a 1785 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:15.119 podcast on the twenty twenty one playoff run, which you know, 1786 01:26:15.520 --> 01:26:18.039 even a beginner like me was like, well this is unlikely. 1787 01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:21.079 You know, this team's picked to finish last. Their coach 1788 01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:24.399 leaves in August. They had this interim guy whose name 1789 01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:28.000 you know, took every one a month to learn. So 1790 01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:30.399 I I just and they didn't have an owner, so 1791 01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:33.000 I thought it was. There was an intriguing setup there anyway, 1792 01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.279 and Trey said he really pitched the idea to me 1793 01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:39.800 because Pablo is such a unique, you know, individual and 1794 01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:43.840 a unique head coach, and so that was sort of 1795 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:46.439 the premise. But what I realized when I got in 1796 01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:51.239 there and started doing some interviews is that it's really 1797 01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:54.279 difficult to separate all the things people go through from 1798 01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:57.000 you know, the actions are taking in the moment that 1799 01:26:57.079 --> 01:26:59.279 you're covering, and so watking the team go on that run, 1800 01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:03.760 which was in credit Bot and you know, just exceeded 1801 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:08.079 my expectations even even as a writer, but for fans, 1802 01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:11.119 it was, you know, just just such a ride, and 1803 01:27:11.399 --> 01:27:15.199 it just reminded me. And we'd come through COVID. I 1804 01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:17.119 think you and I talked about this with the BUYU 1805 01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:20.720 Coastal Carolina game as well, and and you really we 1806 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.479 really were struggling with what what role do sports play 1807 01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:24.119 in our lives? 1808 01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:24.399 Right? 1809 01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.800 People are dying, people are sick, people are separated from 1810 01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:30.399 their loved ones. I talked to people who are trapped 1811 01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:33.319 in this country and they couldn't even go home. And 1812 01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:35.520 you know, a woman whose husband died in the hospital 1813 01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:37.039 while she had to sit in a parking lot and 1814 01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:40.039 talk to him on the phone, you know, just really 1815 01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:42.479 hard things. And I'm like, what what does what does 1816 01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:44.640 it matter? Why do these games even matter? Why do 1817 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:47.520 we you know, lose our minds and spend all our 1818 01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:50.840 money and and and dedicate so much time and energy 1819 01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:53.279 to this And you know, it was really that playoff 1820 01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:55.600 run and and like I said that, the high school 1821 01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:58.079 games that I was able to go to and then 1822 01:27:58.399 --> 01:28:01.119 the BYU game, it just sort of reminded me there 1823 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:05.399 is this level of connection and inspiration and it's break 1824 01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:08.039 from life, but it's this moment of joy that you 1825 01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:10.399 can experience. Even if you can't do the things the 1826 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:13.199 athletes are doing, you get to be a part of it. 1827 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:16.520 And if you show up and you're a fan, and 1828 01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:19.880 it was just a reminder to me that, you know, 1829 01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:23.640 we're supposed to have fun. Life is supposed to be joyful, 1830 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:26.359 and it's supposed to be about connection and loving each 1831 01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:29.119 other and lifting each other up and celebrating things. And 1832 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:31.640 so yeah, it was just sort of that's where it 1833 01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:34.479 came from. And the more I talk to people, especially 1834 01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:37.479 the front office people, I think there was a lot 1835 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:40.600 of debate in our office about whether or not it 1836 01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:45.760 would be compelling to write about executives, but so far 1837 01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:49.920 it has been so I think it's I've gotten some 1838 01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:52.520 of the people who came to the party have listened 1839 01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:56.439 to episode one, and the fans, the fan groups are 1840 01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:00.800 pretty excited about the rest of it. So you can 1841 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:04.680 listen to episode one and episode two will be available. 1842 01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:09.680 Episode two is the Dave Checkett's journey. This it's called 1843 01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:14.520 this is the Place for Soccer, and uh yeah, I 1844 01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:16.319 hope people like it and I hope we get to 1845 01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:18.039 do more stories like this in sports. 1846 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:22.000 I wonder what your experience, because you referenced Trey initially 1847 01:29:22.039 --> 01:29:25.800 pitching it to you because of the unique approach of Pablo. 1848 01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:30.399 What have you learned about Pablo Masteroenny and would you 1849 01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:32.960 agree with the assertion that he is unique as it 1850 01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:34.880 pertains to who he is as a person and the 1851 01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:36.239 way he approaches his craft. 1852 01:29:37.640 --> 01:29:41.840 Yeah, I mean I recognized Pablo is unique in our 1853 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:45.319 first interview. I've interviewed a lot of coaches over the years, 1854 01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:48.680 and you know, lucky for me, a lot of women's coaches, 1855 01:29:48.720 --> 01:29:51.920 because women's coaches don't get as much attention, they're not 1856 01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:54.439 as dated, they're not trying to hide as much. They're 1857 01:29:54.520 --> 01:30:00.359 definitely more open. But he might be the most open, honest, 1858 01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:02.760 vulnerable coach. And I think that was the thing that 1859 01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:06.520 really right away I was intrigued by is he was 1860 01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:09.920 willing to speculate, He was willing to dive off into philosophy. 1861 01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:12.680 He would tell me, you know, tell me about one 1862 01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:14.560 of the most traumatic events of his life, you know, 1863 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:18.079 shaped who he became and how he lives in the world. 1864 01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:22.640 And you know, that was our first interview. And I 1865 01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:26.840 can see why. You know, he is a builder, he 1866 01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:30.039 is a connector. He's a person who because he is open, 1867 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:33.079 he encourages openness. And if you are hurting, or if 1868 01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.439 you're upset, or if you feel slighted, you're going to 1869 01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:38.319 be more likely to address it and talk about it. 1870 01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:40.119 There are not a lot of things that are going 1871 01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:42.199 to be festering under the surface with a guy like 1872 01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:45.039 that in the room. And so and he's also a 1873 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:47.319 really effusive He's kind of coach. I like, where's his 1874 01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:50.279 heart on his sleeve? You know, when someone scores a 1875 01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:52.479 goal or does something well, he asks like he did it? 1876 01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:56.039 I love that kind of you know Kalani Sataki that 1877 01:30:56.319 --> 01:30:59.039 you know I just love a coach that you know, 1878 01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:02.760 strains of hands because he's cure and so hard and 1879 01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:04.800 he's all of that stuff. So he's like, you know, 1880 01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:10.119 the the you know, passionate guy, but he's also like 1881 01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:14.279 he's not he doesn't shy away from the hardest conversations. 1882 01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:16.039 He's going to tell you why you're not playing. He's 1883 01:31:16.039 --> 01:31:18.199 going to admit when he's wrong, and those are things 1884 01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:21.840 that are rare in coaching, especially professional sports, because your 1885 01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:25.439 job is on the line, and so being perfect and 1886 01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:28.960 being you know, immune to everything and not feeling bad 1887 01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:31.359 or not making mistakes, those are all things that seem 1888 01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:34.800 like attractive qualities, but they're not because it's not true. 1889 01:31:34.840 --> 01:31:37.119 There's nobody that's doing that. And so the fact that 1890 01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:39.199 he just owns it and he just brings you in 1891 01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:41.199 and he just lets you know, and there's no question 1892 01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:41.920 that's stupid. 1893 01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:43.239 You know. 1894 01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:46.359 We might have had some disagreements about whether or not 1895 01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:48.680 you play soccer because it's joyful, or you play soccer 1896 01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:52.239 because you're hungry to succeed, But like, that's the thing 1897 01:31:52.279 --> 01:31:55.279 I really enjoyed about it was sort of wrestling with 1898 01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:58.479 tough questions and then coming away with a different perspective 1899 01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:02.279 because he was on he was engaged, and he wasn't 1900 01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:03.680 just trying to give me some answers and get me 1901 01:32:03.680 --> 01:32:06.079 out of the get out of the interview room. And 1902 01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:08.560 that's really rare, and I would say that across the board. 1903 01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:10.800 One of the things that in the first few months, 1904 01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:12.800 I was like, I can't do this story because nobody's 1905 01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:14.560 going to tell me the truth. Nobody's going to let 1906 01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:17.039 me in. You know, That's what I love about high 1907 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:19.960 school sports. And it used to be this way in 1908 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:24.840 college where you can really have honest conversations about you know, 1909 01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:30.439 challenges and resilience and failure and success. But everybody, it's 1910 01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:33.359 so much money is involved now that those conversations are 1911 01:32:33.439 --> 01:32:37.720 fewer and fewer, and so to have those in the 1912 01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:39.640 way that I did with this team for the last 1913 01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:41.840 three years, including your dad. I mean I bugged your 1914 01:32:41.880 --> 01:32:45.800 dad at eleven o'clock at night wherever, and people just 1915 01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:48.680 were so gracious. I mean, Kyle Beckerman gave me like 1916 01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:52.119 two and a half hours one day. You know, that's 1917 01:32:52.319 --> 01:32:57.159 just not that's not always available to you in sports. 1918 01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:00.800 So I wonder I was kind of teasing Jason because 1919 01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:03.640 you interviewed Jason Christ for this as well. Yeah, yes, 1920 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:06.079 uh huh Okay. So last week we had Jason on 1921 01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:08.760 the show and I was teasing him before I brought 1922 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:12.319 him on. While he was listening to me, before he 1923 01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:15.640 was able to speak. I teased the RSL match and 1924 01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:18.880 I said, with fifty nine points, RSL would break the 1925 01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:22.159 single season record set back in twenty twelve, therefore making 1926 01:33:22.199 --> 01:33:25.359 Pablo master Any the greatest coach in RSL history. I 1927 01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:29.079 was just teasing Jason, obviously, and he got the humor. 1928 01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:32.880 But on a serious level, with somebody who sat down 1929 01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:35.760 with both of them, do you see similarities or are 1930 01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:37.600 they polar opposites from one another? 1931 01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:44.760 I would say the similarity is their care is that 1932 01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:49.000 this is not these relationships in the game matter to them. 1933 01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:52.000 And I would say that is the case for like 1934 01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:57.880 all the main characters in this story, Tony Beltran, Kyle Beckerman, 1935 01:33:59.560 --> 01:34:03.479 Natum on a Waha, They're all like there are people 1936 01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:08.359 who play and the people around them are colleagues, their acquaintances, 1937 01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:10.880 they're people that help them get to where they're going. 1938 01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:14.159 And the thing I would say Christ and Pablo share 1939 01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:18.119 is this idea that people are not resources, they are 1940 01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:21.439 human beings and they need to be connect you need 1941 01:34:21.479 --> 01:34:23.279 to connect with them, you need to care about them 1942 01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:26.880 as people, and that what they do on the field 1943 01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.239 is you know it is it different or an extension 1944 01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:35.520 or I think to some degree for Jason it's lesser important. 1945 01:34:37.239 --> 01:34:41.720 I think they both are super competitive. That the you know, 1946 01:34:41.760 --> 01:34:44.640 the competitive edge in them sort of just you know, 1947 01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:46.680 I would not want to play checkers with either one 1948 01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:51.640 of them or pickleball. So but you know their approach 1949 01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:57.560 and there the way they see, you know, their responsibility 1950 01:34:57.560 --> 01:35:00.479 to players varies a little bit. And then I would 1951 01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:05.560 say Pablo is just a much more like I can 1952 01:35:05.560 --> 01:35:10.039 get him to go into philosophical discussions way much deeper, 1953 01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:14.359 much more out into the abstract, where Jason is very 1954 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:19.960 much about, you know, the relationships and building the relationships 1955 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:24.239 and like the tangible parts of the job and the team, 1956 01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:29.319 and he's just it's interesting to me how one of 1957 01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:32.439 the aspects of this few of episode two in tomorrow's 1958 01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:35.680 which will drop tomorrow, is that your dad chose this 1959 01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:39.720 place because of how much support he thought it would 1960 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.640 have from the community, and what I don't think he saw. 1961 01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:46.880 But what has happened is that the community that was 1962 01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:49.720 true what your dad saw was true. And what happened though, 1963 01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:53.319 is that infused into the club and I see now 1964 01:35:53.439 --> 01:35:57.039 it remaking like the DNA of people like Jason christ 1965 01:35:57.119 --> 01:36:02.239 and Tony Beltan and Kyle Beckerman to where you know there. 1966 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:04.279 It was interesting last night to see how many of 1967 01:36:04.319 --> 01:36:07.239 them are not from here. In fact, John Kimball was 1968 01:36:07.239 --> 01:36:08.960 the only one. He's like, what's the name like Kimball? 1969 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:11.039 You know obviously I've been I was, I was from here, 1970 01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:15.319 but but you would not know which I thought about that, 1971 01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:17.520 I'm like, you wouldn't know which guys were from here 1972 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:20.800 or how how because they're still Utah now they're like 1973 01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:23.640 the team, the club and the culture of the club, 1974 01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:28.680 like they've influenced it, but it's influenced them and so 1975 01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:31.199 so yeah, they have some similarities. But I would say, 1976 01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:37.680 if you want to like talk philosophy of sport, Pablo's 1977 01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:41.279 your man. But as far as connection and what it 1978 01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:45.079 means to be loyal and a family member, that that's 1979 01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:48.399 where you know, I really I had it, really loved 1980 01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:51.920 having that conversation with Jason, and Frankly, the conversation with 1981 01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:54.560 Jason and all of them were so good. We're going 1982 01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:57.880 to publish them as bonus episodes because I think fans 1983 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:00.319 will really enjoy getting to know them that way. 1984 01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:05.319 So when Deloye decided to exit during the process of 1985 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:08.079 the sale, which was never going to happen overnight, you know, 1986 01:37:08.199 --> 01:37:11.720 he was able to grab John Kimball and bring John 1987 01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:14.119 over from the Jazz to kind of steady the ship 1988 01:37:14.119 --> 01:37:18.239 over there during the ownership change, and John was kind 1989 01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:21.720 of the first domino that fell. And then you know, 1990 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:27.159 Trey comes back, Matt Raider comes back, Jason christ comes back. 1991 01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:30.840 You know, Tony Beltran was already there, but it started 1992 01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:33.880 this kind of wave of a lot of people that 1993 01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:38.600 were there during the foundational build to kind of oversee 1994 01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:42.359 a rebuild in a way. I wonder what your thoughts 1995 01:37:42.399 --> 01:37:44.359 are on that. And then before I said you lose, 1996 01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:47.279 how you would characterize the shape of the club as 1997 01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:49.239 we say here today going into the postseason. 1998 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:53.479 Well, I would say, I think you're right. Them coming 1999 01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:56.319 back did sort of bring back this shape. But I 2000 01:37:56.359 --> 01:37:59.319 also think that there were people who stayed there, there 2001 01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:01.039 were people who endured this, And it's one of the 2002 01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:03.359 things we talked about is, you know, I start the 2003 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:06.279 podcast at a moment of crisis for the club, but 2004 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:08.439 it wasn't the first crisis of the club they'd been through, 2005 01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:10.119 and it's not going to be the last crisis that 2006 01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:12.560 they go through. And the thing that I think is 2007 01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:16.800 remarkable is the response that they had the way. I mean, 2008 01:38:16.840 --> 01:38:19.159 Tony Beltrend told a story last night that he actually 2009 01:38:19.159 --> 01:38:22.359 didn't even share with me in the podcast about you know, 2010 01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:26.319 after DeLay's interview, you know, going in and sitting in 2011 01:38:26.359 --> 01:38:29.319 a car with Elliott at a park Elliott Falls former 2012 01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:32.279 GM and just talking for an hour about and it 2013 01:38:32.359 --> 01:38:35.239 was so painful for the people who were in the 2014 01:38:35.359 --> 01:38:38.439 organization at that moment. And I think what people like 2015 01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:42.000 John Kimball and Trey and Jason christ have given them 2016 01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:44.720 is this confirmation that it was worth it. 2017 01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:47.039 Like they they they. 2018 01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:50.840 Kept that flame alive through some pretty tough times and 2019 01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:54.199 then and now they now they get the benefit of 2020 01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:57.760 that and the people who stayed and endured that And 2021 01:38:57.760 --> 01:38:59.520 that was one of the things that was really compelling 2022 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:01.159 to me. One of the reasons I really wanted to 2023 01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:06.279 do this podcast was that most people don't know how 2024 01:39:06.319 --> 01:39:09.720 hard these people who've never scored a goal, who've never 2025 01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:13.319 done anything remarkably athletic on the field, like how hard 2026 01:39:13.319 --> 01:39:17.119 they tried to protect this thing that your dad built, 2027 01:39:18.039 --> 01:39:19.960 and they didn't. Some of them didn't even know your 2028 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:23.399 dad very well. But that's how much of a communal, 2029 01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:27.039 you know, asset it became. That it wasn't just a 2030 01:39:27.079 --> 01:39:30.000 thing a business that is to be extracted from It 2031 01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:34.039 is a symbiotic, you know, almost a living thing that 2032 01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:36.479 had its own life and it was struggling, and these 2033 01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:40.479 people kept it alive. And then absolutely the big names 2034 01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:42.960 come back into it and bring that back, and especially 2035 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:47.239 John I think was really crucial because the way the 2036 01:39:47.279 --> 01:39:49.920 way Pablo is open and vulnerable, that's the kind of 2037 01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:54.119 executive John is. You can't be around John. I mean, 2038 01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:56.720 you just you want to ask him like are we related? 2039 01:39:56.760 --> 01:39:57.840 Because I feel like I. 2040 01:39:57.880 --> 01:39:58.520 Need to hug you. 2041 01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:01.439 He's just such an He's just not like a normal 2042 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:03.840 I mean, and I would say that probably about your dad, 2043 01:40:04.399 --> 01:40:06.880 like I can't imagine your dad and I having anything 2044 01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:08.960 in common, and I feel like we're besties now. So 2045 01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:12.720 I you know, before this started, I don't. It's just 2046 01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:16.439 a really remarkable place, but I did. I did get 2047 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:18.159 the sense when I was doing the research for this 2048 01:40:19.039 --> 01:40:21.960 that there were people who really who really suffered to 2049 01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:25.680 keep this, you know, this dream alive to keep this culture, 2050 01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:31.199 you know, vibrant, And I would say that, uh, people 2051 01:40:31.239 --> 01:40:33.439 coming back in and buying into that and picking up 2052 01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:35.960 I have an episode four there's going to be an 2053 01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:39.600 exchange between John Jenna, who has since passed away, and 2054 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.279 and Pablo Uh and my first interview with Pablo, my 2055 01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:47.079 second interview with John Jenna, and they have an exchange 2056 01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:50.880 where John Jennet thanks Pablo for bringing back you know 2057 01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:53.520 this hope and this fire and this and this you 2058 01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:58.720 know this joy to the building. And I didn't really 2059 01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:00.560 pay attention to it in the moment. I just left 2060 01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:03.359 my mics on and we were listening to it after, 2061 01:41:03.439 --> 01:41:07.279 and it really made me emotional because you felt in 2062 01:41:07.359 --> 01:41:11.399 his words how much it meant, how much it meant 2063 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:13.840 to John Jenna, a guy who had stayed and endured 2064 01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:16.880 all this to have somebody come in and believe in 2065 01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:19.800 what they had kept alive. And it was just a 2066 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:24.880 really poignant moment to me where sometimes you don't even 2067 01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:27.960 know who saved this thing you loved, right, It may 2068 01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:31.079 be a person you never see, a janitor. And that's 2069 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:33.439 what I loved about Pablo. He was like everybody's on 2070 01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:35.800 the team, and you know, Christ is the same way. 2071 01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:38.479 He told the story last night about one of his 2072 01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:41.359 favorite The thing he loved most about your dad is 2073 01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:44.920 that the first this huge interview, this big press conference 2074 01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:47.439 they had, but the first thing your dad asked him was, 2075 01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:49.439 you know, how is your family? 2076 01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:50.239 Who? You know? 2077 01:41:50.520 --> 01:41:52.319 What's your wife's name? How many kids do you have? 2078 01:41:52.640 --> 01:41:55.119 But he cared about him as a person, and I 2079 01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:58.119 think that is a thing that sometimes we forget about 2080 01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:01.399 athletes and coaches and every you know, they're there for 2081 01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:04.600 our entertainment, but they're people. They have lives and this 2082 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:06.960 is a heart It's a hard it takes a lot 2083 01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:09.319 out of you, and you sacrifice a lot to do 2084 01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:13.279 this for the community. And so heading into the playoffs, 2085 01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:15.680 how do I think they are. I think they're in 2086 01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:20.520 the position where they could go either way, but I 2087 01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:22.760 have a sense that they're coming together in the right 2088 01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:27.039 ways at the right moment, and we'll see what prevails. 2089 01:42:27.079 --> 01:42:28.680 But I think they have the chance to do something 2090 01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:29.600 special right. 2091 01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:31.199 Amy hit us with the name of the pod where 2092 01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:32.600 people can get it now. I'll set you. 2093 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:36.720 Loose making of a moment, the RSL story, and you 2094 01:42:36.760 --> 01:42:38.840 can find it anywhere you'd like. To listen to podcasts, 2095 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.279 you know, Apple Spotify. You can go to our website 2096 01:42:41.319 --> 01:42:43.520 Making of a Moment pod dot com and I am 2097 01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:46.239 going to be writing stories on every episode and the bonus. 2098 01:42:46.239 --> 01:42:49.760 The bonus on Friday is Brian Dunsath and you know, 2099 01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:53.159 it's amazing content. We would love everybody to listen to 2100 01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:54.800 it and hopefully we'll get to do. 2101 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:55.760 More of these podcasts. 2102 01:42:55.800 --> 01:42:57.000 Thank you, Amy, have a good week. 2103 01:42:57.039 --> 01:42:58.720 Okay, thanks take care. 2104 01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:02.359 Rest is noise? They were playing coming in a set? 2105 01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:05.079 What is this? That's a good question. What did you 2106 01:43:05.199 --> 01:43:08.399 choose another one of these? You found your daughter's iPod 2107 01:43:08.479 --> 01:43:12.720 and Madison Beer. It's called fifteen seconds. As the kids 2108 01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:14.920 would say, you're trying to You're doing too much. It's extra. 2109 01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:16.880 This is just my song. My kids don't even know 2110 01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:19.199 what this song is. It's extra. When did you become? 2111 01:43:19.479 --> 01:43:22.359 Dave Fox is in studio the Silver Fox, Dave Fox? 2112 01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:25.920 Why do you purport to be a huge DM fan? 2113 01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:28.840 I have in my entire life since before EDM the 2114 01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:30.039 phrase was even invented. 2115 01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:32.479 I was still into you know, dance. It wasn't around 2116 01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:36.239 when the six with that style entire life? What do 2117 01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:37.399 you mean that style? 2118 01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:40.279 Back in the eighties, there was a different version of 2119 01:43:40.319 --> 01:43:42.720 this kind of No, there wasn't. Yeah, there was. You 2120 01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:45.159 just don't remember this is brand new. Well, that song's 2121 01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:47.560 brand new. That's literally brand new that she released that 2122 01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:49.239 like in the last couple of months. 2123 01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:51.760 They've just let it go. Man, that's what I listened to. 2124 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:53.960 If you want to you want you want to copy 2125 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:56.520 my playlist very much, don't want anything that's on there. 2126 01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:58.640 Well, I also have bluey on here for when I 2127 01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:00.479 when we have a branddaughter. 2128 01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:03.359 So you go anywhere from EDM to blue yeah on 2129 01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:05.600 the Okay, Well, that's at least you have range. Dave 2130 01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:09.199 Loui's good five questions last night. It was awesome. 2131 01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:12.960 It was a hit, phenomenal, Yeah, ratings record, and you 2132 01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:15.520 answered every one of them. It would be weird if 2133 01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:17.359 I didn't answer all of them. That'd be funny. If 2134 01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:20.119 you want todays you just sat there and said, pass, Yeah, 2135 01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:22.520 I'm good Now, that's not the next I. 2136 01:44:22.479 --> 01:44:25.039 Understand the assignment, Dave. As the kids say, I stand 2137 01:44:25.079 --> 01:44:27.359 on business. So it was a good time last night. 2138 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:29.720 Thanks for coming in. Yeah, absolutely, I always appreciate you 2139 01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:31.840 having me. It's always nice to get that. Rodizeo gift 2140 01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:34.319 card like the College Football Roundtable gets. Yeah, well you 2141 01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:36.439 know what you get that? They don't you get me 2142 01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:39.680 my studio? Yes here, So wait, they don't get that, 2143 01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:41.800 so they have to do it with DJ. So that's 2144 01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:45.399 why they get the gift card exactly. Well that no 2145 01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:46.920 one's ever explained it to me like that. 2146 01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:48.840 I mean, you got to get something to put up 2147 01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:51.039 with that, right, So if I start doing hits with DJ, 2148 01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:54.239 I'll get Rhodizio maybe because I doubt he's going to 2149 01:44:54.319 --> 01:44:55.000 be on this show. 2150 01:44:55.239 --> 01:44:57.359 Now that's that's not there'd be a conflict of interest. 2151 01:44:57.399 --> 01:44:59.600 I would have DJ. I love DJ, that's my guy. 2152 01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:02.399 I just never knew that. The reason they get fed 2153 01:45:02.439 --> 01:45:04.279 is they have to deal with that BS. Yeah right, 2154 01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:06.600 it makes sense. So there you go. All right, Dave, 2155 01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:09.960 let's bring some of the content from last night onto 2156 01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:11.920 the show and flip the script, and now I'm gonna 2157 01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:13.079 ask you questions. 2158 01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:12.840 Oh. 2159 01:45:13.600 --> 01:45:15.920 I wasn't prepared for this. I thought we were just 2160 01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:18.600 gonna sit here and listen to eedm All for the twenty. 2161 01:45:18.439 --> 01:45:20.880 Nine Sports Soccer Radio. I know you're not used to prepping, 2162 01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:24.920 but we gotta do it. Okay, we thought Utah football 2163 01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:27.880 at this point would be six and one, seven and zo. 2164 01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:31.159 We thought they'd be scratching the top ten. We thought 2165 01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:33.960 they'd be among the leaders in the Big twelve on 2166 01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:37.119 any defensive statistical category. We thought the offense is going 2167 01:45:37.159 --> 01:45:41.640 to be explosive. We thought that that Riceseycle Stadium was 2168 01:45:41.680 --> 01:45:43.520 going to continue to be one of the best home 2169 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:47.279 stadium advantages in the Western United States. All of those 2170 01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:50.279 things are happening forty miles that way. Yeah, Wow, it's 2171 01:45:50.319 --> 01:45:54.520 bizarro Seinfeld upside down world, right, Isn't it nuts to 2172 01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:55.119 think about. 2173 01:45:54.920 --> 01:45:55.439 It that way? 2174 01:45:55.600 --> 01:45:58.159 And I remember having you on before the season and 2175 01:45:58.199 --> 01:46:01.600 asking you which was more plausible, the Utes running the 2176 01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:06.560 table and making it to the college football playoffs? Or 2177 01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:09.359 B why you not even being bowligible? And you said 2178 01:46:09.880 --> 01:46:12.640 that you thought there's no way. B. Why you wouldn't 2179 01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:15.039 be bullied. You were behind Kilane all the way. But 2180 01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:18.479 I don't win six or seven games, right, But you 2181 01:46:18.479 --> 01:46:20.159 you were not one of those that was on board 2182 01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:22.199 with the they're going to finish fourteen. In fact, that's 2183 01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:25.520 what we we'd phrase it, will they finish fourteen? And 2184 01:46:25.560 --> 01:46:27.319 so in that respect to you're right, but none of 2185 01:46:27.399 --> 01:46:29.760 us if there's anyone out there other than the members 2186 01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:32.000 of the team themselves that thought they'd be seven. Oh 2187 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:34.600 at this point, they're you know, they're probably lying, but 2188 01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:37.920 it's impressive, you know what they're doing. And watching that 2189 01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:40.199 game the other night against Oklahoma State, which, by the way, 2190 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:42.479 how bad is that defense? I believe they're dead last 2191 01:46:42.479 --> 01:46:44.279 in scoring defense in the Big Twelve. 2192 01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:46.880 They are. They probably got to be close to. 2193 01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:50.279 The last in tackling because that team can't tackle, so that, 2194 01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:52.640 you know, you got to wonder at some point, boy, 2195 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:54.600 how how is b WYU even in a close game? 2196 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:56.359 But they still managed to win it, and that's that's 2197 01:46:56.399 --> 01:46:59.039 the important thing. But it is just weird. It's it's 2198 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:01.119 upside down. I like the free I think you're the 2199 01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:03.720 one that uses yesterday that yeah Bill was on and 2200 01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:05.880 you said, the Big Twelve now is just drunk. 2201 01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:09.680 It's a mess. It's a complete mess. 2202 01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:12.680 Every team that was thought to be the front runner, 2203 01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:16.680 including Oklahoma State, you know, is struggling, and then these 2204 01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:17.640 other teams are coming up. 2205 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:19.640 So it's crazy. 2206 01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:21.800 By the way, you had in your last segment, you 2207 01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:25.079 were talking about all the defensive deficiency of the University 2208 01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:27.840 of Utah's don't forget that's still in terms of scoring defense, 2209 01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:29.079 there's still second no. 2210 01:47:29.880 --> 01:47:32.359 I asked Nate about sacks because that's where they're struggled. 2211 01:47:32.399 --> 01:47:32.560 Right. 2212 01:47:34.079 --> 01:47:36.520 Most of their metrics are top five on defense. The 2213 01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:38.439 ones that aren't, which is weird, is getting to the 2214 01:47:38.520 --> 01:47:41.920 quarterback enforcing turnovers, which by the way, they're also doing 2215 01:47:41.960 --> 01:47:44.840 that down South. Yeah, the opportunity here, but well by 2216 01:47:44.920 --> 01:47:47.520 you as thank you. But here's what I want to 2217 01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:50.920 ask you. What are you willing to say about what's 2218 01:47:50.920 --> 01:47:54.479 still possible for Utah today? Because there are a few 2219 01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:58.159 directions you could go, and there is one direction that 2220 01:47:58.239 --> 01:48:00.800 sounds like this. I did it during talk today with 2221 01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:04.640 Sean with OC and he summarily dismissed this possibility. And 2222 01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:07.680 I get it because I sound like a lunatic based 2223 01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:10.119 on what we've seen. Because what we've seen has been bad, 2224 01:48:10.159 --> 01:48:12.399 and there's no other way to spend that from Utah. 2225 01:48:12.520 --> 01:48:14.920 But what you have left are head to head against BYU, 2226 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:18.039 Colorado and Iowa State, three of maybe the four best 2227 01:48:18.039 --> 01:48:20.640 teams of the conference along with K State. Now you 2228 01:48:20.720 --> 01:48:22.319 have to get all three of them. You have to 2229 01:48:22.319 --> 01:48:24.399 get every game the rest of the way. But if 2230 01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:26.880 you win all three of those games, you have to 2231 01:48:27.079 --> 01:48:29.399 hope that those two teams get got twice to still 2232 01:48:29.439 --> 01:48:32.479 have something to say. That's as far fetched of an 2233 01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:36.239 optimistic viewpoint that you can take, or you can say, 2234 01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:39.880 are they even gonna get bull eligible? Between those two? 2235 01:48:40.159 --> 01:48:42.680 The chasm between those two? What are you willing to 2236 01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:43.600 say about what's left? 2237 01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:45.520 Well, I'm not willing to say that they're gonna go 2238 01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:47.800 as far as you are and somehow sneak into. 2239 01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:49.399 That I didn't say. I'm willing to say that. I'm 2240 01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:51.800 asking you what you're willing to say, because that those 2241 01:48:51.840 --> 01:48:53.079 are the two ends of the specum. 2242 01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:55.439 Yeah, and remember that you brought this up again. See 2243 01:48:55.439 --> 01:48:57.359 this is how much I listened to you yesterday. How 2244 01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:00.479 they needed like one hundred things to happen to get 2245 01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:03.079 into this twelve chance and every one of them did. 2246 01:49:03.279 --> 01:49:07.359 It's just unbelievable. Uh So, what I'm willing to say 2247 01:49:07.399 --> 01:49:10.279 is they'll become Bowl eligible barely. And that's about the 2248 01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:10.840 extent of it. 2249 01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:14.279 Wins or seven wins, What are you gonna give them? Well, 2250 01:49:14.279 --> 01:49:17.279 at least six, he six gets your bowl eligibly. Thank you, thanks, Dave. 2251 01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:20.399 So you said barely, I'm saying is that six or s? Yeah? 2252 01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:22.560 What I'm willing to say is they're going to get 2253 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:24.880 at least to that and maybe they'll get beyond it. 2254 01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:27.039 But I'm willing to say that's the worst case scenario. 2255 01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:29.760 They will go bowling. But doesn't this smell a little 2256 01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:31.760 bit like BYU last year when they were what five 2257 01:49:31.760 --> 01:49:33.239 and two and didn't win another game? 2258 01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:34.399 You know? 2259 01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:37.119 So that's that's I mean, every week there's more and 2260 01:49:37.119 --> 01:49:37.960 more pressure on you. 2261 01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:38.760 Uh. 2262 01:49:39.039 --> 01:49:40.560 But we'll see, We'll see how that develops. 2263 01:49:41.199 --> 01:49:43.840 You think about going into play a team like Houston 2264 01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:47.119 that's not good and yet they beat TCU, the beat 2265 01:49:47.239 --> 01:49:49.119 Utah and you know, and you start that whole thing, 2266 01:49:49.640 --> 01:49:50.840 the competition tree. 2267 01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:51.800 Uh. 2268 01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:54.560 But I'm willing to go to that degree. Yes, they 2269 01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:57.720 will be bull eligible. The idea of the amount of 2270 01:49:57.720 --> 01:49:59.399 things that would happen to get them into the Big 2271 01:49:59.439 --> 01:50:02.159 twelve champl game is almost borderline absurd. 2272 01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:04.640 Yeah, and I'm not willing to go there either. Here's 2273 01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:06.880 what I am willing to say, though, I am willing 2274 01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:10.600 to say that I'm not completely out on them still 2275 01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:13.119 being really good because I still believe they have the 2276 01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:16.039 talent on paper that I believe they had to start 2277 01:50:16.079 --> 01:50:19.439 the season, and I believe the coaching staff has earned 2278 01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:21.399 the benefit of the doubt of the community because I've 2279 01:50:21.399 --> 01:50:26.239 seen coach with turnbad starts around. So you get Connor o'tolback, 2280 01:50:26.680 --> 01:50:30.079 Karne's back, you get the defense back and healthy. We're 2281 01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:31.560 going to get to the new OC in a moment. 2282 01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:34.279 But they still have an old line that while young 2283 01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:36.199 is shown to be good, they've got a good RB 2284 01:50:36.239 --> 01:50:38.479 one of Mackay Bernard. They have weapons on the outside. 2285 01:50:38.520 --> 01:50:41.439 We all have questions under center, because of course we do. 2286 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:44.600 It hasn't been good enough. I am willing to say 2287 01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:47.279 that I'm leaving space for them to still look like 2288 01:50:47.359 --> 01:50:49.239 the team I thought they could be to start the year, 2289 01:50:49.359 --> 01:50:51.640 even though the last three games has not been anything 2290 01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:52.920 close to what any of us expect. 2291 01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:55.119 So you're saying you can still see them getting to 2292 01:50:55.319 --> 01:50:58.439 nine and three. I could see him getting to eight. 2293 01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:01.279 I have a heart, which man, I could see them getting. 2294 01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:02.640 I think they get Houston. 2295 01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:06.000 Dude, That BYU game is always nuts. I wouldn't be stunned. 2296 01:51:06.039 --> 01:51:08.840 Just give it to the home team, you know. I 2297 01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:10.720 can see three to four wins on the schedule the 2298 01:51:10.760 --> 01:51:14.479 rest of the way. But that's stretching the imagination. It 2299 01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:17.560 maybe it's just insane to me that based off of 2300 01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:19.840 what we all thought, we're now debating whether or not 2301 01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:22.239 they're bull eligible. That just doesn't seem to register in 2302 01:51:22.279 --> 01:51:23.159 my mind. It's odd. 2303 01:51:23.239 --> 01:51:25.000 Well, and you hit it on the head when you 2304 01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:28.079 said there's there's few coaches who are is good at 2305 01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:31.800 getting things right, then Coach Wit. But I still don't 2306 01:51:31.920 --> 01:51:34.960 I don't think. I don't think being boligible is I mean, 2307 01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:37.920 let's be honest, nowadays, getting bo eligible isn't like this 2308 01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:39.880 incredible accomplishment anything. 2309 01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:41.960 Yeah, it doesn't mean squad because there's so many of them. 2310 01:51:42.399 --> 01:51:46.720 But beyond that, and I'll give them eight would be 2311 01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:48.319 max in my opinion. 2312 01:51:48.319 --> 01:51:50.439 I think I would say seven. If they press probably 2313 01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:53.520 I would say seven. But they'll definitely get to six. 2314 01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:56.560 I'd stake anything on that, which is still just insane 2315 01:51:56.600 --> 01:51:59.680 to think about. All Right, So, as we talked about 2316 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:02.920 last night, Coach Blood steps down Andy Ludwig, a couple 2317 01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:06.199 of different ten years ten years total calling plays as 2318 01:52:06.239 --> 01:52:10.119 the OC Mike Mike Pajakian named interim coach, and we 2319 01:52:10.199 --> 01:52:14.640 heard from Mike yesterday for the first time addressing the media, 2320 01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:17.479 and he said, Hey, the systems in place. System is 2321 01:52:17.479 --> 01:52:21.039 the system is what it is type thing. So what's 2322 01:52:21.079 --> 01:52:23.800 reasonable to expect for Mike to be able to find 2323 01:52:23.920 --> 01:52:27.520 in Andy's offense what Andy couldn't find himself. That's the 2324 01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:30.000 that's the toughest part about this, you know. 2325 01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:32.159 But Jaki has been at a lot of different places, 2326 01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:34.880 and I don't want to tell you exactly why he has. 2327 01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:36.960 In some cases, you get caught up in a coaching 2328 01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:40.079 staff that's fired, and you're caught up in that fray. 2329 01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:45.039 Its Northwestern offenses weren't incredible, you know, by any means. 2330 01:52:46.199 --> 01:52:49.319 But I think Andy said it best when at least 2331 01:52:49.319 --> 01:52:52.399 this is what coach Winningham said that Andy had related, 2332 01:52:52.479 --> 01:52:54.840 is that they need a new voice. And maybe it's 2333 01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:58.359 that simple, and maybe it's a matter of changing some tempo. 2334 01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:02.520 You know, if a acting to your quarterback, and Isaac, 2335 01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:06.039 as you know at Corner Canyon play a lot up tempo, 2336 01:53:07.119 --> 01:53:09.760 granted as high school, but maybe that's something he's more 2337 01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:12.159 used to, maybe a little more you know, bootleg that 2338 01:53:12.239 --> 01:53:14.239 kind of thing. So you know, we'll see what he's 2339 01:53:14.279 --> 01:53:15.960 able to do. But it's at the at the end 2340 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:18.079 of the day, it's the same player. So the bottom 2341 01:53:18.119 --> 01:53:20.920 line is you're changing your play caller. And we see that. 2342 01:53:21.279 --> 01:53:22.680 I'm not gonna say we see that a lot, but 2343 01:53:22.720 --> 01:53:25.720 we see that occasionally at every level of football. You 2344 01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:28.600 see it in the NFL where Okay, it's not working 2345 01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:29.960 with this guy just did it. 2346 01:53:30.359 --> 01:53:33.279 You're didn't want to say it. It's actually the same dynamic. 2347 01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:35.319 I was trying to avoid saying Jets the new play 2348 01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:38.000 caller was also the QB coach, and so Matt Hackett 2349 01:53:38.039 --> 01:53:40.680 he shouldn't have a job anyway. Yeah, he didn't resign 2350 01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:43.039 like Andy, but they the Jets just did the very 2351 01:53:43.159 --> 01:53:45.279 but it hasn't fixed them. Nothing's gonna fix it. 2352 01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:48.439 Yeah, So I I guess what I'm trying to say 2353 01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:50.439 is I don't I don't really know exactly what this 2354 01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:51.039 is going to do. 2355 01:53:51.039 --> 01:53:52.520 I think this is a good timing. 2356 01:53:52.199 --> 01:53:54.239 For bajaking to come in because they're playing a team 2357 01:53:54.279 --> 01:53:57.239 that's really not very good, and you know, maybe that's 2358 01:53:57.239 --> 01:53:58.399 an opportunity to get things right. 2359 01:53:58.800 --> 01:53:59.960 But then you got to get. 2360 01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:02.079 It turn around quickly because after a bye week they 2361 01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:02.880 played BYU. 2362 01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:07.319 Do you think that anything that happens this year will 2363 01:54:07.319 --> 01:54:09.640 affect Kyle's decision or do you think he's already made 2364 01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:10.159 up his mind. 2365 01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:13.000 I don't think I mean, none of us really know, 2366 01:54:13.079 --> 01:54:15.680 but if it were me, I don't think he's the 2367 01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:17.199 kind of guy that's gonna want to go out on 2368 01:54:17.239 --> 01:54:19.319 a year like this. Now, let's finish playing it out, 2369 01:54:20.159 --> 01:54:22.800 you know, Let's say they don't win another game. Do 2370 01:54:22.840 --> 01:54:24.640 you really want to go out on that you can't 2371 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:26.800 lose to Houston? No, I'm just I'm just giving you 2372 01:54:26.840 --> 01:54:29.800 an example of what your mind frame is. 2373 01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:32.119 Don't you want to go out with some level of success? 2374 01:54:32.159 --> 01:54:32.319 Now? 2375 01:54:32.319 --> 01:54:36.039 You can't do this forever, But that's what I feel like. 2376 01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:39.319 So I can't decide whether or not I believe Kyle. 2377 01:54:39.680 --> 01:54:42.159 It would light a fire under Kyle or it would 2378 01:54:42.199 --> 01:54:45.199 make him go good riddance, man, Like, are you kidding me? 2379 01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:45.880 Like? 2380 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:47.319 This is what I have to deal with because look, 2381 01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:49.319 at the end of the day, I feel bad for 2382 01:54:49.359 --> 01:54:52.760 the players. But in coaching, like you get too much 2383 01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:54.840 blame for losses. The players have to buy in, they 2384 01:54:54.840 --> 01:54:57.319 have to execute, they have to play well, and the 2385 01:54:57.359 --> 01:54:59.520 coaches have to put them in positions to succeed. But 2386 01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:01.760 once the game starts, it's on the players and they 2387 01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:04.880 haven't been good enough. So neither of the coaches like 2388 01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:08.439 blame to me is top to bottom and he's I mean, 2389 01:55:08.479 --> 01:55:11.159 all the way to the top. But I wonder if 2390 01:55:11.319 --> 01:55:15.359 having an underwhelming year like this just motivates Kyle to 2391 01:55:15.399 --> 01:55:18.920 go my grandkids. I like to golf, I like to ski. 2392 01:55:19.039 --> 01:55:22.319 I am chilling and I'll be an advisor the rest 2393 01:55:22.319 --> 01:55:24.600 of the way. But good riddence to this or does 2394 01:55:24.640 --> 01:55:26.600 it light a fire hunder? I honestly don't know. I 2395 01:55:26.600 --> 01:55:27.640 feel like it's the latter. 2396 01:55:27.760 --> 01:55:30.279 I think if there's anything that really based on little 2397 01:55:30.279 --> 01:55:32.920 comments you hear over the years from Kyle, I think 2398 01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:36.199 two things that I suspect that drive him nuts more 2399 01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:39.560 than what's his team's going through is nil and transfer portal. 2400 01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:42.199 And I think we all know he's There are very 2401 01:55:42.199 --> 01:55:45.880 few coaches that really love that, and that's the kind 2402 01:55:45.920 --> 01:55:47.960 of thing It's driven other coaches out of the game. 2403 01:55:48.399 --> 01:55:50.199 Might have driven Nick Saban out of the game, and 2404 01:55:50.239 --> 01:55:53.640 he had just about anything he wanted, So I think 2405 01:55:53.680 --> 01:55:55.039 it could be more related to that. 2406 01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:57.800 I don't know. None of us really know. 2407 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:01.359 Kyle is well enough to understand and if he's motivated 2408 01:56:01.399 --> 01:56:05.439 more as you said, by that fire, that inner desire 2409 01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:08.079 to get the team right or the I don't see 2410 01:56:08.119 --> 01:56:10.560 him as a good rittens kind of guy. I just don't, 2411 01:56:10.640 --> 01:56:12.439 but but I could be wrong. 2412 01:56:12.720 --> 01:56:14.119 Is it? You know? 2413 01:56:14.640 --> 01:56:17.279 Is it better or worse? So let's let's say this 2414 01:56:17.359 --> 01:56:19.760 is it. Let's let's say this is Kyle swan song, 2415 01:56:19.960 --> 01:56:21.720 this is the last year he's doing the thing. Let's 2416 01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:23.960 just say that. Let's say that for a moment. Is 2417 01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:27.800 it better or worse for Morgan that this year has 2418 01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:29.760 gone the way that it is so you can thought 2419 01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:31.319 to be the guy that gets the train back on 2420 01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:34.720 the tracks, or with the train going in the wrong direction, 2421 01:56:35.039 --> 01:56:38.159 losing another in state care the offensive lineman from Spanish 2422 01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:40.039 for work, the top two in state recruits are going 2423 01:56:40.039 --> 01:56:43.399 to sc with everything going in the wrong direction right now? 2424 01:56:43.960 --> 01:56:46.399 Is it better or worse for expectations for more than 2425 01:56:46.439 --> 01:56:46.840 next year? 2426 01:56:46.880 --> 01:56:51.000 Come on, I think it's obviously worse because you would, personally, 2427 01:56:51.319 --> 01:56:53.239 if you were taking a job like that, you want 2428 01:56:53.239 --> 01:56:56.039 things to be running as smooth as possible. You want 2429 01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:58.159 things to be at the highest level if they would. 2430 01:56:58.199 --> 01:57:00.439 Let's say they were still underfeed and ran the table, 2431 01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:02.319 won the Big Twelve championship and went to the College 2432 01:57:02.319 --> 01:57:06.439 Football Playoff and did well there, and then Whittingham said, perfect, 2433 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:07.640 we had a great season. 2434 01:57:07.640 --> 01:57:10.840 I'm gonna hang it up. Morgan's gotta love that now, 2435 01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:14.439 you grant there's some pressure, are you, Klin de Boor 2436 01:57:14.720 --> 01:57:16.960 who has lost a couple of games, and you're not 2437 01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:19.520 nick stating. I think a guy that always takes over 2438 01:57:19.600 --> 01:57:21.760 for the guy is under a different microscope. 2439 01:57:21.840 --> 01:57:25.319 I would still rather at least take a shot with 2440 01:57:25.399 --> 01:57:27.880 a great team than have the pressure of trying to 2441 01:57:27.920 --> 01:57:28.880 resurrect a bad one. 2442 01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:31.720 Then be the savior that rebuilds Utah football and I 2443 01:57:31.800 --> 01:57:35.520 got here. Look if he doesn't, no matter what the 2444 01:57:35.520 --> 01:57:38.119 current status of the team is, he's gonna have a 2445 01:57:38.119 --> 01:57:40.319 lot of pressure on him, just like Caitlin does right now. 2446 01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:44.079 Is in Tuscaloosa. But this is a fan base that's 2447 01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:46.039 used to a certain level over the past fifteen years 2448 01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:47.239 and they're not seeing it this year. 2449 01:57:47.720 --> 01:57:50.760 Yeah, I'd still rather have a full copboard and just 2450 01:57:50.800 --> 01:57:51.680 see what I can do with it. 2451 01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:54.000 I don't know, man, We'll have to see. So you're 2452 01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:55.880 a glass half empty guy, I'm a glass half folk, 2453 01:57:55.920 --> 01:57:57.800 but we all know this. With that nice vest, dude, 2454 01:57:58.159 --> 01:58:01.159 thanks extra stopping by to see anything else you want 2455 01:58:01.159 --> 01:58:01.720 to say. 2456 01:58:01.640 --> 01:58:04.600 No other than Madison Beer, Thanks for playing that for me. 2457 01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:07.760 Porter fifteen seconds again just release a couple of weeks ago. 2458 01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:09.279 I'll have something new for you next time you do. 2459 01:58:09.359 --> 01:58:11.319 And too much man extra as the kids would say, 2460 01:58:11.319 --> 01:58:13.640 but you do have the riz by Dave. All Right, 2461 01:58:13.720 --> 01:58:17.720 five o'clock hour, how the program starts right now, signed 2462 01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:21.640 forward the drive at five. Scott Mitchell is gonna stop 2463 01:58:21.680 --> 01:58:24.000 by coming up in just a little bit. The former 2464 01:58:24.079 --> 01:58:26.479 quarterback for the University of Utah played in the NFL. 2465 01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:29.880 Obviously you can hear him on our broadcast with Bill 2466 01:58:29.960 --> 01:58:32.960 and Sly as Utah football is going to be back 2467 01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:36.159 at it coming up on a Saturday against Houston. That's 2468 01:58:36.159 --> 01:58:39.600 gonna be a five o'clock kicktime. Our pregame coverage we'll 2469 01:58:39.640 --> 01:58:42.079 begin at one o'clock. Porter's gonna have you taken care 2470 01:58:42.119 --> 01:58:45.560 of there. As of now, Utah is a three point 2471 01:58:45.800 --> 01:58:48.279 five point favorite. That line has actually moved the way 2472 01:58:48.319 --> 01:58:51.359 of the utes. One time opened up at three. Now 2473 01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:54.159 it's three and a half over under thirty six point five, 2474 01:58:54.199 --> 01:58:58.079 which is not good. So, of course, the biggest piece 2475 01:58:58.079 --> 01:59:00.800 of news throughout the course of the short's news cycle 2476 01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:04.880 here locally is Andy Ludwig stepping down Mike Pajaki in 2477 01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:07.960 we heard from Mike yesterday for the first time as 2478 01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:10.359 he addressed the media as the new play caller for 2479 01:59:10.399 --> 01:59:13.039 the University of Utah. And if you missed the comments, 2480 01:59:13.079 --> 01:59:15.319 they're definitely worth your time. It's about four or four 2481 01:59:15.319 --> 01:59:17.880 and a half minutes up on ESPN seven hundred sports 2482 01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:21.159 dot com, So definitely check that out. And you know, 2483 01:59:21.520 --> 01:59:24.359 very honest, very forthcoming, because the fact of the matter 2484 01:59:24.479 --> 01:59:27.640 is is Mike talks about the system is in place, 2485 01:59:27.880 --> 01:59:30.239 like it is what it is. He's not an outside 2486 01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:33.439 hire that is coming in to install a brand new 2487 01:59:33.439 --> 01:59:36.239 offensive system, like nor would you do that in the 2488 01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:39.399 middle of the year. That's what makes this complicated. It's 2489 01:59:39.399 --> 01:59:41.239 a little bit different than pro football. I mean, even 2490 01:59:41.279 --> 01:59:43.159 in the NFL, you pull a move like this, the 2491 01:59:43.199 --> 01:59:47.000 OC can put some pressure on the front office like, hey, 2492 01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:48.960 we need a left tackle, or we need a better 2493 01:59:49.239 --> 01:59:51.479 we need a better wide receiver. Go get DeVonta Adams, 2494 01:59:51.560 --> 01:59:54.560 go make a trade, go change the personnel. You can't 2495 01:59:54.560 --> 01:59:57.560 do that in college football. You can shift around certain 2496 01:59:57.600 --> 01:59:59.720 positional groups based off the depth you feel like you 2497 01:59:59.760 --> 02:00:02.640 have your disposal. But at this point, we know who 2498 02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:04.600 the line is, the old line is, we know who 2499 02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:06.720 the RB one is, we know what the weapons on 2500 02:00:06.760 --> 02:00:09.600 the outside look like and we know, at least for now, 2501 02:00:09.640 --> 02:00:11.760 that under center is an eighteen year old who was 2502 02:00:11.800 --> 02:00:15.439 trying to throw touchdowns against Bountiful High a year ago. 2503 02:00:16.159 --> 02:00:18.720 In Isaac Wilson, who just enrolled in April, like, he 2504 02:00:18.840 --> 02:00:21.399 is still a green behind the ears, regardless of who's 2505 02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:24.359 calling his plays. And so I just think it's fair 2506 02:00:24.520 --> 02:00:28.039 to ask and wonder, like, what sort of difference will 2507 02:00:28.079 --> 02:00:30.800 this change make now? We had Stevenson Sylvester on the 2508 02:00:30.840 --> 02:00:34.079 show earlier, and I thought Sly was really good about 2509 02:00:34.199 --> 02:00:37.159 kind of explaining this through the prism of a player. 2510 02:00:37.279 --> 02:00:39.319 And need Orchard also live in studio because one of 2511 02:00:39.359 --> 02:00:42.600 the things you hear every single time you hear a 2512 02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:45.199 coaching change, what do you hear as far as the 2513 02:00:45.239 --> 02:00:48.960 messaging goes new voice, new set eyes. We just need 2514 02:00:48.960 --> 02:00:51.880 the locker room needs a new voice, The locker room 2515 02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:55.520 needs a fresh perspective. And I always wonder how real 2516 02:00:55.600 --> 02:00:56.000 that is? 2517 02:00:56.920 --> 02:00:57.119 You know? 2518 02:00:57.479 --> 02:01:02.199 Again, this is Andy Ludwig's Mike spoke yesterday about his 2519 02:01:02.279 --> 02:01:05.800 desire to come here to work for Andy. What can 2520 02:01:05.840 --> 02:01:09.159 Mike Bijaki and find and Andy Ludwig's offense that Andy 2521 02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:12.000 Ludwig himself could not find. I don't know the answer. 2522 02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:16.199 Maybe maybe there's a lot there that I'm just not seeing. 2523 02:01:16.600 --> 02:01:18.880 I mean, I never played college football. I can't speak 2524 02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:21.960 to it. Maybe there's a lot that a new set 2525 02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:25.680 of eyes and a fresh perspective can provide that I 2526 02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:28.279 don't fully understand, because I got to be honest. If 2527 02:01:28.319 --> 02:01:31.439 Andy himself couldn't find answers for the offense he created 2528 02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:35.000 for this personnel group, what's a new voice utilizing that 2529 02:01:35.039 --> 02:01:37.479 same offensive attack going to find that Andy couldn't find. 2530 02:01:37.520 --> 02:01:41.199 Now he has been acting as the quarterbacks coach. Isaac 2531 02:01:41.239 --> 02:01:45.800 Wilson also spoke yesterday about committing to play at the 2532 02:01:45.840 --> 02:01:49.159 You to play for Andy, right, And Isaac, you always 2533 02:01:49.159 --> 02:01:51.479 forget how young he actually is until you see him 2534 02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:54.520 with his helmet off answering questions. Man, that baby face. 2535 02:01:55.239 --> 02:01:58.119 He's just young, is all it is. And he almost 2536 02:01:58.279 --> 02:02:01.239 looked a little bit emotional about everything that happened. I mean, 2537 02:02:01.800 --> 02:02:04.479 a month and a half into his first college football season, 2538 02:02:04.560 --> 02:02:08.720 Isaac Wilson is going through a coordinator change, a coaching change. 2539 02:02:08.720 --> 02:02:13.079 The most important coach for him is now gone. It's 2540 02:02:13.079 --> 02:02:16.239 his second offensive coordinator and we are seven games into 2541 02:02:16.239 --> 02:02:20.640 this thing. So I certainly wonder how this is affecting him, because, 2542 02:02:20.720 --> 02:02:23.680 let's face it, regardless of what you think about his 2543 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:26.600 talents or the good things that you've seen or the 2544 02:02:26.600 --> 02:02:29.520 things that aren't so great so far, he's still the 2545 02:02:29.520 --> 02:02:33.119 most important player on this team because he plays simply 2546 02:02:33.119 --> 02:02:35.439 the most important position in all of team sports. You 2547 02:02:35.479 --> 02:02:39.119 hear everybody say it, it's because it's true. So the 2548 02:02:39.199 --> 02:02:42.760 main thing for me is understanding that relationship, which I'm 2549 02:02:42.800 --> 02:02:46.319 sure is great because again he's been his positional coach. 2550 02:02:46.840 --> 02:02:50.119 But as far as just functionality and as far as 2551 02:02:50.399 --> 02:02:54.680 just technique and as far as making sure you're executing 2552 02:02:54.760 --> 02:02:58.359 at a high level, what's going to look different. I'm 2553 02:02:58.399 --> 02:03:00.720 curious to see, because here's the thing. It has to 2554 02:03:00.760 --> 02:03:04.359 look different because it's been so bad. We've gone through 2555 02:03:04.359 --> 02:03:07.239 some of these numbers as of now in the Big twelve, 2556 02:03:07.279 --> 02:03:09.840 and hopefully this weekend will change. But the offensive numbers, 2557 02:03:10.359 --> 02:03:13.439 they go like this, total oh fifteenth out of sixteen teams, 2558 02:03:14.000 --> 02:03:18.159 tenth and passing ninth and rushing fourteenth and scoring fourteenth 2559 02:03:18.199 --> 02:03:22.039 and first downs, fifteenth and third down conversions, thirteenth and 2560 02:03:22.119 --> 02:03:26.000 fourth down conversions fourteenth, and overall efficiency eleventh in the 2561 02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:29.279 red zone. Ironically enough, they lead the conference in time 2562 02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:32.800 of possession, which makes no sense. What it does tell 2563 02:03:32.840 --> 02:03:34.960 you is there are plenty of extended drives. But they're 2564 02:03:35.000 --> 02:03:38.039 not calling kill shots the way that a Rod has 2565 02:03:38.079 --> 02:03:40.920 been calling them down at BYU. They're not getting touchdowns 2566 02:03:40.920 --> 02:03:43.840 in the red zone. They're settling for three way too much. 2567 02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:47.359 They're also not turning the other team over. I mean, 2568 02:03:47.359 --> 02:03:50.119 it really is the exact opposite of what coach Wit 2569 02:03:50.279 --> 02:03:53.760 wants his football team to do and what we've become 2570 02:03:53.840 --> 02:03:58.479 accustomed to seeing Coach Wits football teams actually execute. They've 2571 02:03:58.560 --> 02:04:00.920 always been able to turn the other team over. They've 2572 02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:04.279 always been able to create create havoc plays. They've always 2573 02:04:04.279 --> 02:04:07.039 been able to do the things that Kyle's protege and 2574 02:04:07.119 --> 02:04:09.520 pupil Kalanie Satake is doing at a high level down 2575 02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:13.279 at BYU, turning the other team over, putting your offense 2576 02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:17.399 and advantageous situations. Having such a dominant d that even 2577 02:04:17.439 --> 02:04:21.760 if the offense isn't necessarily elite and dominant, they do 2578 02:04:22.039 --> 02:04:24.600 just enough to keep you in games, and then the 2579 02:04:24.640 --> 02:04:27.479 offense does just enough to score enough points to actually 2580 02:04:27.520 --> 02:04:30.840 win because the defense is dominant. Now there are plenty 2581 02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:34.319 of metrics that indicate this is still a really good defense. 2582 02:04:34.439 --> 02:04:37.119 Like you can lose me with some of the conversations 2583 02:04:37.159 --> 02:04:40.159 going on about the d not being as dominant as 2584 02:04:40.159 --> 02:04:42.119 it once was, and maybe that's true, but I still 2585 02:04:42.159 --> 02:04:44.840 think on paper, the talents there, and we know the 2586 02:04:44.840 --> 02:04:47.720 coaches are in place up there that know how to 2587 02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:50.039 coach defense is That's who coach it is. That's who 2588 02:04:50.079 --> 02:04:52.319 Morgan is, That's who these guys are, who they always 2589 02:04:52.359 --> 02:04:56.039 have been, and we've seen them turn around slow starts 2590 02:04:56.039 --> 02:04:59.600 before I know I sound insane while continuing to grip 2591 02:04:59.640 --> 02:05:01.600 to the very last branch before I fall on the 2592 02:05:01.640 --> 02:05:05.199 ground with his team. But there's too much talent and 2593 02:05:05.399 --> 02:05:08.760 there's a reason why everybody under the sun, not just 2594 02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:11.239 your home with the utes, were picking Utah to win 2595 02:05:11.279 --> 02:05:13.760 the Big Twelve. It if it wasn't Utah, it was 2596 02:05:13.920 --> 02:05:18.359 Okay State, who coincidentally enough, has also been incredibly disappointing. 2597 02:05:18.960 --> 02:05:20.960 And if it wasn't Okay State or Utah, it was 2598 02:05:21.039 --> 02:05:23.319 KSE State. Who's the last of like the big three 2599 02:05:23.399 --> 02:05:26.079 standing with a chance to win this thing. KSE State, 2600 02:05:26.119 --> 02:05:30.960 according to ESPN's FPI, actually has the second best chance 2601 02:05:31.119 --> 02:05:33.600 to win the Big twelve behind Iowa State. BYU was 2602 02:05:33.680 --> 02:05:37.279 third as of now. Interestingly enough, this game for Brigham 2603 02:05:37.319 --> 02:05:40.520 Young coming up on Saturday feels a little bit like 2604 02:05:40.560 --> 02:05:43.039 one you got to keep your eye on. They're traveling 2605 02:05:43.079 --> 02:05:45.960 two time zones. They're going to be in Orlando to 2606 02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:48.720 play UCF. They're a slight two point favorite as of now. 2607 02:05:49.560 --> 02:05:52.760 UCF should have beat Iowa State. They ran all over them, 2608 02:05:53.359 --> 02:05:56.000 they finally found a quarterback, took them seven games, but 2609 02:05:56.039 --> 02:06:00.119 they made that announcement today and ultimately BYU's been I'm 2610 02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:02.079 so good against the spread. I'm not telling you what 2611 02:06:02.199 --> 02:06:04.239 to do with your cash outside of just don't bet 2612 02:06:04.279 --> 02:06:07.960 on sports, which is my advice every day. But two 2613 02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:10.359 time zones against a team on offense, it's kind of 2614 02:06:10.359 --> 02:06:13.000 figure it out a little bit U c F BYU 2615 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:15.159 this weekend. I'd be a little bit nervous if I 2616 02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:18.319 was a y fan, because ultimately, while BYU has answered 2617 02:06:18.359 --> 02:06:22.680 every question thrown at them and they've won games in 2618 02:06:22.720 --> 02:06:26.199 a myriad of different ways, I still am curious as 2619 02:06:26.239 --> 02:06:31.079 to what it looks like when there's simply no crazy 2620 02:06:31.439 --> 02:06:36.359 randomness to a game for BYU, like the bounces are 2621 02:06:36.359 --> 02:06:39.159 even there isn't a crazy turnover. There isn't a crazy 2622 02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:41.439 scoop and score pick six one hundred and thirty eight 2623 02:06:41.479 --> 02:06:46.079 yard Parker Kingston pop return between the twenties. Everything is even, 2624 02:06:46.800 --> 02:06:49.279 and go head to head against a really good team. 2625 02:06:49.800 --> 02:06:52.399 I wonder what that looks like, only because we haven't 2626 02:06:52.439 --> 02:06:55.760 seen it, and it doesn't diminish what Kalatee and a 2627 02:06:55.920 --> 02:06:58.199 Rod and Jay Hill and those guys have done. With 2628 02:06:58.239 --> 02:07:00.199 a seven and zero start, you can't take any thing 2629 02:07:00.239 --> 02:07:02.680 away from them. They are firmly in the mix to 2630 02:07:02.720 --> 02:07:05.079 win this Big twelve championship and there's no debating that. 2631 02:07:06.000 --> 02:07:08.680 But they're utilizing the formula the coach Wit wants his 2632 02:07:08.760 --> 02:07:12.000 team to utilize to win games. So again, the defensive 2633 02:07:12.039 --> 02:07:15.319 metrics indicate this is still a really solid d second 2634 02:07:15.840 --> 02:07:19.399 in total defense, fourth and rushing fifth, and passing third 2635 02:07:19.399 --> 02:07:23.520 in efficiency. But where they fall short are the areas 2636 02:07:23.520 --> 02:07:27.000 where we're usually seeing dominance, which is sacks their ninth, 2637 02:07:27.840 --> 02:07:34.199 turnovers forced last fumbles forced fourteenth, interceptions ninth. So yes, 2638 02:07:34.239 --> 02:07:38.560 they're solid in basic fundamental defensive football. They're not creating 2639 02:07:38.600 --> 02:07:42.199 game changing plays like we've seen from Utah defenses in 2640 02:07:42.239 --> 02:07:46.880 the past, and certainly a coach Wit Morgan Scalley type. 2641 02:07:46.960 --> 02:07:51.479 Defense seems to always have the one dude that makes 2642 02:07:51.560 --> 02:07:55.600 not just big plays, but game changing plays on defense, 2643 02:07:55.640 --> 02:07:57.760 whether it's Devin Lloyd or Clark Phillips or way back 2644 02:07:57.800 --> 02:08:00.000 in the day, Eric Weddle, Who is that player this year? 2645 02:08:01.520 --> 02:08:03.399 How's that player been hurt? It looked like it was 2646 02:08:03.399 --> 02:08:06.239 gonna be Connor O'Toole for a minute. They need him back. 2647 02:08:06.840 --> 02:08:08.520 And yes, I know you guys are sick of talking 2648 02:08:08.520 --> 02:08:11.119 about the injuries, and yes, you should have better depth 2649 02:08:12.000 --> 02:08:15.239 in order to absorb no matter how many injuries you have. 2650 02:08:15.399 --> 02:08:17.920 Last year probably being an exception because it was just 2651 02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:21.720 chaos left and right. But it can't be a massive 2652 02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:25.399 fallof losing a couple of key pieces, like every program 2653 02:08:25.479 --> 02:08:27.479 across the country is going to run into it. So 2654 02:08:27.560 --> 02:08:29.720 it's fair to ask whether or not the depth is 2655 02:08:29.720 --> 02:08:31.560 there the way we thought it was. If it's going 2656 02:08:31.600 --> 02:08:33.239 to look this bad when some of your key pieces 2657 02:08:33.239 --> 02:08:40.359 aren't available, And then finally, what does the conversation sound 2658 02:08:40.479 --> 02:08:44.359 like if after all the messaging from the football program, 2659 02:08:44.439 --> 02:08:48.319 all the messaging from folks up there like Okay, fresh eyes, 2660 02:08:48.439 --> 02:08:51.079 new perspective, new voice in the locker room, new play 2661 02:08:51.119 --> 02:08:53.880 caller or pump for weather. This does if they go 2662 02:08:53.880 --> 02:08:56.199 to Houston and lay An Egg and it looks the 2663 02:08:56.239 --> 02:09:00.560 same and they can't move the football and eyes struggling 2664 02:09:00.600 --> 02:09:03.239 with his reads and there's no discernible difference in the 2665 02:09:03.239 --> 02:09:03.880 play calling. 2666 02:09:04.279 --> 02:09:04.640 What is it? 2667 02:09:04.680 --> 02:09:09.319 What's next? Like, what's the next step? At some point 2668 02:09:09.399 --> 02:09:12.199 do you ask questions about who's under center? And I 2669 02:09:12.279 --> 02:09:15.119 haven't put much of this on Isaac because again, eighteen 2670 02:09:15.199 --> 02:09:18.199 years old, trying to ball out against Skyridge a year ago. 2671 02:09:18.359 --> 02:09:20.800 Now you're asked to play against big boy, big twelve football. 2672 02:09:21.359 --> 02:09:24.720 It was a really unfair ask right out of the gates. 2673 02:09:25.039 --> 02:09:28.000 That's why I thought they go get sam Hewart all Right, 2674 02:09:28.279 --> 02:09:31.159 a VET at one point, a top five recruiting his class. 2675 02:09:31.920 --> 02:09:35.319 Brandon Rose has been in the program. What does it 2676 02:09:35.319 --> 02:09:37.680 look like if Cam goes down, maybe Brandon's ready And 2677 02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:40.279 we were all somewhat stunned. I think, outside of Riley 2678 02:09:40.359 --> 02:09:43.840 Jensen deserves credit for this that they go with the kid. 2679 02:09:44.880 --> 02:09:47.880 And I do think, you know, this is very much 2680 02:09:47.960 --> 02:09:50.640 an in the moment job. It's an intimate like connection 2681 02:09:50.920 --> 02:09:53.000 to a fan base right now with what's going on 2682 02:09:53.039 --> 02:09:56.039 in the moment. To talk about what's current. So you 2683 02:09:56.119 --> 02:09:58.720 might roll your eyes a little bit when I say 2684 02:09:59.199 --> 02:10:01.920 in four or five, I'm really curious to find out 2685 02:10:01.920 --> 02:10:05.399 what an eighteen year old learned through this chaos so 2686 02:10:05.479 --> 02:10:08.880 young in his career. You know, most great players in 2687 02:10:08.960 --> 02:10:12.079 their twenties, thirties, whatever they go on to play pro football, 2688 02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:15.920 you can trace a career path back to some sort 2689 02:10:15.960 --> 02:10:19.720 of adversity as a youngster. And we'll see what Isaac's 2690 02:10:19.720 --> 02:10:21.800 made of. I mean, this is a lot of adversity 2691 02:10:21.880 --> 02:10:24.920 for a young player who is going around the merry 2692 02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:27.039 go round of college football for the very first time. 2693 02:10:27.079 --> 02:10:29.520 But Utah football back at it, coming up against Houston. 2694 02:10:29.600 --> 02:10:32.720 Pregame coverage for us at one o'clock and then kick 2695 02:10:32.720 --> 02:10:35.119 we'll be at five. 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All right, I 2718 02:11:35.199 --> 02:11:38.479 know it's a football season. I know we're all waiting 2719 02:11:38.520 --> 02:11:41.359 for Thursday for the NFL and then the college football 2720 02:11:41.399 --> 02:11:46.039 weekend ahead. But it is opening night in Pro basketball, 2721 02:11:46.239 --> 02:11:49.079 one game in each conference, as is the tradition. Nicks 2722 02:11:49.239 --> 02:11:52.800 Celtics going on right now at TD Garden, te Wolves 2723 02:11:52.880 --> 02:11:56.640 Lakers late night, So get used to the Lebron Bronnie 2724 02:11:56.720 --> 02:12:00.760 James storyline that will reverb your excuse me revert throughout 2725 02:12:00.760 --> 02:12:04.560 pro basketball all year long. On a scale of one 2726 02:12:04.600 --> 02:12:07.119 to whatever, how relevant do you feel like the Knicks 2727 02:12:07.159 --> 02:12:09.600 are going to be? Do you have any sort of 2728 02:12:09.640 --> 02:12:11.560 faith in Nick basketball this year? 2729 02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:15.239 I think there's very few situations where they're not good. 2730 02:12:15.640 --> 02:12:18.760 Right the roster they have, they're obviously going to be competitive. 2731 02:12:20.039 --> 02:12:23.640 But my thoughts with the Knicks are similar to last year. 2732 02:12:23.680 --> 02:12:25.560 I think they'll be a little bit better on the 2733 02:12:25.600 --> 02:12:28.800 top end, but I just wonder what they look like 2734 02:12:28.880 --> 02:12:30.479 end of the year. Tom Thibodeau, of course, is a 2735 02:12:30.520 --> 02:12:33.399 guy who loves to play his guys heavy minutes. I 2736 02:12:33.399 --> 02:12:35.439 think this is a team that is well positioned for 2737 02:12:35.520 --> 02:12:39.239 a home playoff matchup and and if they can get 2738 02:12:39.279 --> 02:12:41.119 their healthy is my real main question. 2739 02:12:41.439 --> 02:12:45.159 Jazz get rolling tomorrow. Isaiah Collier and Johnny Jewsang are 2740 02:12:45.159 --> 02:12:50.359 both out load management, right am? I right? Yeah? With 2741 02:12:50.640 --> 02:12:54.119 draft positioning, not with those not yet. Joel Embiid is 2742 02:12:54.159 --> 02:12:56.000 going to miss the first week. Paul George out for 2743 02:12:56.039 --> 02:12:58.079 the opener. I said this at the time when I 2744 02:12:58.119 --> 02:13:01.239 heard all this noise. He gets paid, he needs to 2745 02:13:01.239 --> 02:13:03.920 play well, wait till NBA basketball rolls around. At least 2746 02:13:03.920 --> 02:13:07.039 Cameron's hurt. A lot of these guys just decided to 2747 02:13:07.039 --> 02:13:10.479 sit out, which unfortunately, I think is an issue. I 2748 02:13:10.479 --> 02:13:12.800 think it's a big issue for pro basketball. They would 2749 02:13:12.800 --> 02:13:14.920 tell you it's not because of their TV money, and 2750 02:13:15.000 --> 02:13:18.079 that's fine, But the NBA is back. I was on 2751 02:13:18.720 --> 02:13:22.039 our old producer John Paul on his podcast today. It's 2752 02:13:22.039 --> 02:13:26.239 called Roundball Roundup that's available on the Utah Jazz Podcast Network. 2753 02:13:26.279 --> 02:13:29.600 JP's going to be in the studio coming out on Thursday. 2754 02:13:29.640 --> 02:13:31.960 Now we are out and about tomorrow. We are at 2755 02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:35.520 the Dish Professionals at eighty thirty four South State Streets. 2756 02:13:35.520 --> 02:13:39.039 So come on by and say hi. On a Wednesday Showporter, 2757 02:13:39.079 --> 02:13:40.960 what can our listeners expect. 2758 02:13:40.880 --> 02:13:44.239 On a Wednesday edition of the program, Spence, you mentioned it. 2759 02:13:44.319 --> 02:13:47.079 The NBA is back, so is the NBA Daily Assists. 2760 02:13:47.079 --> 02:13:50.479 We're chatting with Zach Harper on the program on a Wednesday, 2761 02:13:50.520 --> 02:13:54.039 as well as Richard Smitty Smith. On the first day 2762 02:13:54.039 --> 02:13:58.279 of Jazz Basketball of twenty twenty four. At least this season, 2763 02:13:58.359 --> 02:14:00.520 Neil Smith stops by to talk to them hockey, and 2764 02:14:00.520 --> 02:14:03.840 of course we'll talk some mutes as well. Mark Harlan, 2765 02:14:04.159 --> 02:14:07.399 the athletic director at the University of utahpot. 2766 02:14:06.800 --> 02:14:10.680 Oh, wow, we got big Mark on tomorrow. Sir Desperado 2767 02:14:10.880 --> 02:14:13.640 be exciting to catch up with Mark on a very 2768 02:14:14.119 --> 02:14:17.640 tenuous time frame for his football team, so stay tuned 2769 02:14:17.640 --> 02:14:20.239 for that. On a Wednesday show, Say good Night, It's special. 2770 02:14:20.279 --> 02:14:23.119 Thank you to Scott and Mitchell Stevenson, Sylvester and eight Orchard, 2771 02:14:23.199 --> 02:14:25.119 Jake Weber and Dave Fox Fornny the sound you may 2772 02:14:25.159 --> 02:14:29.880 have missed. Website ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. Download 2773 02:14:30.000 --> 02:14:32.760 our app, our mobile app, which is the ESPN seven 2774 02:14:32.840 --> 02:14:34.800 hundred app, and that's available in the App Store in 2775 02:14:34.840 --> 02:14:37.720 the Google Play Store. Then check out our podcast page 2776 02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:40.520 for everything we do in the afternoons. It's called The 2777 02:14:40.560 --> 02:14:43.399 Drive with Spence. 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