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ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the mission and possible retrospect

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of if you choose to accept it. I am the

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Magic Man. Trust Down. I'm joined by I.

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Speaker 2: Am the Male Kirkling, Pats the Holy Bible, Taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Lee, Jomn. This is a long one in the

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working because I can't remember when we announced it, but

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while we're splitting it. But then I remember we started

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to watch at least I did. I'm not sure how

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it because this was planned for twenty twenty three. But

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then they said, yeah, it's actually gonna be fine, like

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we were about to talk about it, and uh, yeah,

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be fun. We're gonna do all them except for Dead

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then at the end this we'll do a rankings. We'll

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do best scenes, best movies, best films. I thought a

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good one have is the best teams each movie we rank,

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you know, the the union stuff, because they always are changing.

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Speaker 3: You know, like us there for sure. Yeah, he's on

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everyone's team.

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Speaker 2: Ghost protocol?

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Speaker 1: Taylor's correct. Yeah, he like, I'm not sure if there's

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a money issh, we'll get there. But he like pops

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in the last two minutes, He's like, that's a fucking

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crazy story, Ethan, and then he like walks away, like

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Ethan just tells him the whole movie. That's it. It's

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is Luther here? I don't know? Is he on the team?

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dying in this franchise. But as right now, I'm gonna

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assume that they're gonna either be done or take a

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break for a while. Who knows, they'll make a billion

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dollars and then they'll make it like Rebirth Wrecking or

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something like that. But we're here tair Field. What was

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the first time? What's just your history of Mission Possible overall?

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what it did at the box office. I don't know

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what its budget is. But I don't really know unless

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it was a huge hit at the time, how it

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doing this in trivia now is incorporate the box office,

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especially for these older movies, because I always liked, what

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did it do? Because I had that thought. So it

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was number three at the worldwide box office the year

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third has just made one hundred and eight million. Where now

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it's like if we draft that, we're like, look at

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this fucking movie. Only give me one hundred eighty million.

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then funny just below that four was Jerry Maguire. So

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but I think there's still like that generation and hadn't

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Way Mission of Mars. Have you seen that one, Terre?

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in space and that was burned in my mind for

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decades and I finally found it. The movie. Yeah, don

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not found. There's one movie I found a couple of

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everything like that. And it's a young couple and he's like, oh, yeah,

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around this area, there's a killer and he tells the

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story and he's like talking about how this guy kills people.

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the killer, but the husband kind of knows. I think

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he brought the wife there to die or like to

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get killed. But I cannot find this movie for the

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fucking life of me. And you know why, because it's

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probably bad, just like the last two movies where I'm like,

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what's this movie and I find I'm like, oh, there's

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a reason why this doesn't get talked about. But there's

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Speaker 3: Some things should just remain hidden, you know, like Joman

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I guess to remember it's Tom Cruise too.

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Speaker 3: So it does.

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Speaker 2: And like I like his leader in interpretations of this

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character Ethan Hunt, than I do in this one. And

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a very different type of film the way it's cut up. Yeah,

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every time one releases.

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so I searched Top Gun. Look at this picture they

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have for the AI generated talk on three trailer. I

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promise you Tom Cruise ain't give me a looking that

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old when they do Top Gun three. He's not gonna

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let his hair.

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Speaker 2: They're not letting old people like that fly these fighter jets.

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Speaker 1: Well, even in real life, he's not like Tom Cruise

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is past the age where they would legally let you

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fly like do that type of combat. They would not

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CLINTI with Tom Cruise Tongker three, It's like.

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Speaker 3: And that's people are falling for it.

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Speaker 1: The day was twenty twenty seven. It's like in two years,

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Tom Cruise looking like that, Like, no, it looks good that. Yeah,

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that's the problem. AI. We've talked about in our group chat.

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gonna I'm curious moment there. Yeah, like the yeah, I

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got Kirkland like it sounds good. But Kirkland, did this

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movie get you same thing? What's your history with that

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Mission Impossible? And this? Did this where you start? Did

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you see this recently? What's what's your story? Uh?

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and I feel like in retrospect, looking back on just

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my history of Mission Impossible, I loved like maybe the

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concept so much more than like the actual movies, if

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Mission Impossible movie and then just the idea of this

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this man or maybe like a small group just doing

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these impossible missions with like an iconic theme song Tom

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Cruise attached to it. Like I just like that was

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the odd one when they when they were coming out,

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not not just catching up every time like a new

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one would come out. But yeah, no, I I just yeah,

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I think look back on it, I liked the idea

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of them a lot more than what the movies were.

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I rewatched the first two. I think, like what you did, Travis,

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like back in twenty twenty three, I just like started

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going through them, maybe even just leading up to the movie,

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but for some reason, I just like stopped at two.

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happened was I a paramount plus subscribed and then it

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just like ended before I got through them all, so

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because I was just I was getting excited for Mission

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I Possible, I watched Fallout and then I did Reckoning

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back to back. So yeah, no, I mostly just I

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throw these on when I'm just just looking for a

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nice action movie, you know, I'm usually when I'm doing

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chores around the house, fold and laundry. I just I

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like to throw on an action movie, whatever it is.

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That's that's a big deal. But yeah, no, just in

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looking at this movie alone, I still really appreciate it.

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is like very simple compared to just some of the

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aspects that were tackling nowadays. Even just like the last

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few mission Impossibles, this one, it's funny. It feels like

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it's not really about an impossible mission. It's about like

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the guy Ethan hunt and just like like him being

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a fugitive. I guess it's kind of a you know,

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it happens a couple of different times throughout the franchise,

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but but this one in particular, it just feels like

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it's not just about like a big mission. He does

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have a mission. I don't don't know, I'll detail it

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when we get in there, but some really great moments

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still definitely dated, but I can still really appreciate this

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film just for yeah, the things that they do and yeah,

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just just looking back on how they would do these

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these action shots. But it's it's weird to like look at, like,

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you know, a movie that came out of the year

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I was born, and how much it's dated. But like, fuck,

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I must be getting dated just just looking at these.

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would argue there's things in the second movie that age

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worse than in this one, so I think, yeah, I'm

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just able to really appreciate the the downscaled aspect to

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what this movie is and.

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Speaker 1: Didn't leve all those Dutch angles are popping off within

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the servie lots.

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Speaker 3: Of yeah, like quick zooms and stuff. It's it's some

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fun stuff.

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Speaker 1: But they brought it back to Dead Reckoning though, because

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they do it because that Kittridge is back, right, so

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they kind of do some tributes there, but it's not Uh,

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I definitely fully forgot he's back. Yeah, he's there, so

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a circle. I don't think he died in the Dead Reckoning,

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right because I haven't seen that since the theater. He survived, right,

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so he's still you know, which that's kind of a

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funny juxtaposition now with his character, right because he goes

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from the oh Tom Cruise is guilty to like he's

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on his side the end and now looks like he's

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just guilty, like he's a bad guy. You know. Lots

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changed in a decade and a half and whatnot. But yeah,

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I think I have a similar tales Kirkling where I

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feel like I don't remember specifically seeing these two at

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a specific date or time, didn't like watch with my

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dad or anything like that, just like they're on TV

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or watch. But at some point I think I watched

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even when I watched them from Mission Possible three, because

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I did rewatch those ones. They just didn't stick with

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me three and we'll wait till get there. That's where

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my love for the franchise happens, like okay, now I'm

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now I'm in. Then goes protocol falled up, like okay,

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we got this going on. But that's why it's such

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an interesting franchise because it is you know, I have

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some trivia about that. There's sometimes I kind of miss

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it a little bit because that was Cruise's goal originally

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that he always want a different director so they'd always

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feel different because the TV show was like that, where

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now it's like they got Quistrapher McCrory, they're great. It's

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it's tough, right because they're all great, and maybe you

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swap them on, you get some lesser ones. But there's

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something where it's like that there is something fun about oh,

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a new person tackling it and what type of tones

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are gonna bring to it. So that's why it's funny

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where I feel like there's like how because how many

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are there now? Is there eight films now?

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to hear is dude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I feel like you can really divide the

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eras like one to four that is the director's I

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won't say vision because I have some notes about that.

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It's Tom Cruise's vision still, but more like, hey, we're

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bringing someone into their spice, and then five to eight

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is really the like, hey, this is the McCarey era

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and it's all gonna line up. It feels almost similar

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to like Daniel Craig's Bond, right, like all the Bonds before.

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We're different, like a different director, not the same continuity.

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Where when Daniel Craig came in it was like yeah,

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from Casino to No Time to Die. This is a

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full on story, right, So it's interesting the way it swapped,

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and I think this kind of that's maybe a Brent

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But in the future, I feel like, and I'm wondering

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what's gonna happen with Bond. I wonder if that's something

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they feel nowadays the audiences won't want to be a part,

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like if it's not a grander story, like people blame

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me MCU but you look at Bond, like and now

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Mission Impossible, Like would people tune out to Mission Possible?

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Or I said, tune in and bond if they were

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just the one off ventures like they were back in

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the nineties and stuff like. I don't know, because I

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just feel like the franchises we talk about retro there's

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less of that, Like is a franchise right now that's

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just coming in and doing one offs, Like just like, oh,

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here's this story through more years, here's another story. They're

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always connected, I feel right like I'm trying to think, see, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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they want to be connected, so we'll table that. Maybe

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that's a good discussion to go down. And just like

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the way people's interests have change. But yeah, So I

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had watched this one thought was fine throughout. It was

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when I rewatched it twenty twenty three the first time

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I felt like I actually loved this movie, especially because

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I've seen them all and the way how different is

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I love that it is just this People can use

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the word spy thriller, but like think about something like

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Brave New World, right, They're like, oh, this is a

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spy throat. It's like, yeah, all right, sure it is.

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It's like but it's like the lowest degree of that.

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This is like, no, this is espionage. This is spy

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versus spy, like who's doing what? And it's difficult because

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we've seen so much so we know, Okay, clearly it's

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not Tom Cruise and everything like that, but like I'm

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pretty certain, I can't. I don't was even hunted character

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in the TV show. He must have been, right TV show,

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Let's see.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the TV show?

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Speaker 1: No, And I don't know if he actually was. To

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be honest, there's one character from the TV show in this,

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the John Voite character, So of course I turned him,

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but I don't think he was. So that's where it's like,

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not that at any point what I thought, Okay, Tom

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Cruise is gonna be the bad guy or anything like that.

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But I love the cad mouse of everything. Yeah, no,

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James Phillips, so what the main character mission? I possible

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that's when they turned bad. Oh my god. The fans

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must have fucking loved that of the show, Like you

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kidding me, he's a trainer. But no, I love the

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pacing of it. It is a little bit slower. I

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love the idea of like what you're talking about Curry

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want the mission, but it's weird we kind of coming

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on like the back, like we come at the end

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like the mission, the impossible mission is done, but then

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it's like the bad stuff happens after. And I love

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the fallout of that. I'll no pun intended. I love

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how Tom Cruise trying to manure stuff. I love just

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the realistic political side of stuff, like hey, you better

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come in. He's like no, And then you see on

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the news like his parents are getting arrested. You're like,

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holy fuck, Like it's very realistic stuff happening, where nowadays

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not as much. That's one of my other complaints to

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the franchise where I hate in every movie Ethan Hunt

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is a fucking call the what are they disavowed? Disavowed? Right,

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And it's just like for no re like really no reason, right,

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But this one, to me makes sense of he's on

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a mission. Entire teams dies, and in this movie, Kitchrich

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is a good guy, right, Like he is like a

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straight guy. He's not bad. He's worked for the mission

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Impossible unit, so it's like from his point of view

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that you know there's a mole. The entire team's dead,

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and Tom cruise is the only one left. And that's

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where it's like, oh, this movie actually makes sense why

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you would think this guy is the mole where other

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times it's like his entire team's alive. Like it's like

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six times over he saved the world and this isn't

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even like a world save one. This feels like a

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great first It's not his first mission obviously, but for

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us a first mission out there. I love the climbing

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of how all the team starts to go off, Like

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the first time watching this, it's like, man like, it

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was a shock was gonna go down this route because

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I just said, oh, it's the team and here we are,

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so no. I love this way. I love the pacing,

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I love the cadmill schemes. As I said, I think

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Where I Fall Apart is the third act. This movie

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does not belong to this movie whatsoever. It's this very

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i'd say, pretty realistic, like spy thriller, until you have

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a helicopter chasing a train like it's out of nowhere,

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Like it's all dialogue driven, and even the action scenes

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like they're like a guy puts his hand through a

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fence and stabs somebody and then walks away right, Like

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it's not like nowadays where Tom cruises on a fucking

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helicopter dangling or he's like trying to hold his breath

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for ten minutes. This is very like most of stuff

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other than the third act feels like, hey, this could

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happen in real life, even though like maybe the gum

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bomb or whatever, it's like, Okay, I can buy that

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little high tech gadget. But the third act for me,

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that just just like one it doesn't look great, like

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we weren't the world nineteen ninety six was not ready

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for a train fight, and it's just it just doesn't

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fit at all like it. It feels like it should

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be way smaller. I get that you probably wanted to

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end something. And I talked to uh Scott, you know

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who's done our trivia bats and we've been a bod

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cou story with him. He's seen a bit of the

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TV show and he just said like it was pretty

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much you know, stayed true to the time, so they didn't.

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I was wondering, like, oh, in the show, did they

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have to have these big action endings? And they always didn't.

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So this just feels like, I guess because it's a movie,

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like oh, we got to go all out. So other

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than the ending, I don't have many problems that I

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do get why, Like Haylry is saying it's a bit slower,

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I do understand that. But any day of the week

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minors sports watched this over m I two with all

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the action Like M I two, I feel dumb watching

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sometimes or this is like, oh, like this feels like

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people are crafting something and it feels like you could

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see everything from point A to point B. And I

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like all the actors got Emeliaesaviz, got John Voyd, he's

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perfect cast is like a quotations good guy and everything.

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Oh god, who's the guy from the professional I can't.

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Speaker 3: Remember Reno or Jean Reno or something jo yeah, and

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then then names some reason. Every time with this guy,

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I just picture Maddy SAgs. It must be the French

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aspect to it.

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Speaker 1: But uckly, Mattie's got a better set of hair than Yeah,

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absolutely John over here. So Maddy take care of those locks.

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But yeah, let's let's go and start the mission. So yeah,

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they're looking for this knocklisting. They get it all seeming well,

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they get their their mission statements, they're out there, starts

472
00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:17,160
with Amelia Estaviz getting fucking skewered by the hell you

473
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,039
hear me, you hear me, He's gone. That happens. We

474
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,680
got one girl blown up in a car, Claire who

475
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,319
supposedly gets stabbed or something. John Voyd gets shot, which

476
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,000
I do love when they show how he did it,

477
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,759
just like how the gun on himself and he has

478
00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:35,799
the blood packet he found the water too, Like fuck man,

479
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,359
that's like what he's doing. Then there, but that's what happens.

480
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,599
They complete the mission and which is such a weird

481
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,079
way for the first movie. This feels like you would

482
00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:44,880
do a sequel that way right where it's like the

483
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,559
first movie is you do a mission point A to

484
00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:49,519
point B and it's successful. That's the other movie, and

485
00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:52,000
then the second one you subvert expectations, do the mission

486
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,599
in the beginning and then like oh my god, like

487
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,799
we want it's funny when we get damn my three

488
00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:59,000
Like they do that a couple of times too. But uh, yeah,

489
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:01,000
what do you guys think about this out Ethan just

490
00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:05,480
losing an entire teams very traumatic, uh fifteen minutes for

491
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,079
Ethan Hunt.

492
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 3: So yeah, I I really love the opening to this movie,

493
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,599
especially the more I watch it because I I feel

494
00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:14,519
like I'm just able to appreciate the fact that every

495
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:18,440
Mission Impossible movie, including this one, it's the Tom Cruise Show,

496
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,480
but this one, like, yeah, the first mission, it's it's

497
00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:23,960
Jim Phelps, you know, like like like he is the

498
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,920
guy getting the message. He's the one that's like kind

499
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,359
of choosing his team, and then Ethan Hunt is just

500
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,079
kind of like his main point man. And then and

501
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,559
then we jump into it and like again Jim's like

502
00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:37,400
giving them the mission statement. You get some you get

503
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,880
some young Tom Cruise with just being just being a

504
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,319
little goofball and then dropping some one liners here, and

505
00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:45,440
it just seems kind of like lighthearted in that aspect,

506
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,960
I think, because it's always Tom that's awful. I guess

507
00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:53,920
not Tom ethan On on the Run. He's always ex communicado, uh, disavowed,

508
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,240
So he's always just like approaching from the shadows, giving

509
00:22:57,319 --> 00:22:59,559
like whoever, like like the mission, this is what we're

510
00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:01,119
gonna be doing. And it was just like a nice

511
00:23:01,519 --> 00:23:04,119
turn of that. I feel like that like a nice

512
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,799
little spin. So yeah, I'm just able to appreciate the

513
00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:09,720
fact that Tom's just like kind of a soldier and

514
00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:13,200
not like the main guy. And then of course everything

515
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,839
goes to ship. Everything's just like like like he's so

516
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,440
on edge and like like just looking over his shoulder

517
00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:21,519
for like basically the rest of the movie. So yeah,

518
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:25,839
it's just it's just a really nice, like different spin,

519
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000
I think than the other mission Impossibles. And I feel

520
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,079
like this one in particular over all the other ones

521
00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:34,599
for me, just just makes me feel like a novel,

522
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,119
like like like it's like this is a movie taken

523
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,599
from from a book, just with all like the mole

524
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,079
aspect and trying to figure that out. So yeah, no,

525
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,720
I I really really like the opening mission. But r

526
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,640
I p Amelia because I remember years ago and I

527
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,680
rewatched this. I'm like, man, I forgot he's in here.

528
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:55,279
This is gonna be Yeah, he's gonna be in that.

529
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:59,240
That Ben Rains no what's his name, Simon Benny's character, Yeah,

530
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,640
Benny in that type of role. But no, he does

531
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,640
not last long at all.

532
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: John Voyd just fucking hidden his kill button, you know.

533
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:09,559
Speaker 3: It's like a resident evil or like a final destination

534
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,200
type kill.

535
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what before Taylor goes on that, That's

536
00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:15,359
what I forget, say, my opening It's one of these

537
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,559
things that, yeah, there, you know, we talk all the time.

538
00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,799
I'll have some trivia about it. Tom Cruise different type

539
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:24,000
of cat, but as a film like guy movie star

540
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,920
top echelon, right. And that's one thing I love about

541
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,960
this movie is I feel like some of the Mission

542
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,759
Possible movies because he's doing the stunts, he doesn't get

543
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:33,400
to act as much. There's a couple in the middle

544
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,839
when we get to where it's just like, it's Tom

545
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,519
Cruise face being cool for this. I think you're seeing

546
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:40,519
Tom Cruise the dramatic actor the most, probably in this movie.

547
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,720
Maybe maybe when we get to some other ones I

548
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,279
maybe particularly three, and then another one maybe in Dead Reckoning.

549
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,240
Obviously we lost a character there, but I feel like

550
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,079
this is still Tom Cruise, the dramatic Oscar nominated actor,

551
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,720
and man, he's just he's still fucking good in all

552
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:56,960
these And I later on have some trivia of some

553
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:58,759
other people they talk to. So I'm excited to get

554
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,279
your thoughts on who would have done that? But Taylor,

555
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:03,000
you see the movie is a little so plate paced,

556
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,839
So how is the beginning when you know whole team's

557
00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:05,440
fighting it?

558
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: Enjoy I will say like out of all the movies, Uh,

559
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,200
this death is definitely the most brutalist.

560
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: That's absolutely.

561
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:14,799
Speaker 1: It's kind of jarring to see in Mission Impossible like

562
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:18,599
that is like movies that are rated. But that's closest

563
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:20,720
as it gets. That's one thing about this movie. It's

564
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:23,240
definitely I bet, I bet, I feel like it's the

565
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,799
most grittiest out of all the eight. I don't think

566
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:27,200
any of them feel like this, So.

567
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: I'd say, like closest one to that, And like m

568
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,119
I three with like the bomb and the brain thing,

569
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:35,480
that was pretty yeah, true brutal, but yeah, this one's

570
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:37,200
just like that was like this is like a saw

571
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:39,359
trap coming down like Jesus Christ.

572
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:42,039
Speaker 3: They show it. You know, they could have cut like

573
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,440
like a fraction earlier, but it's no. You see the

574
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:50,279
insert They cut a fraction after but yeah, the how do.

575
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:52,279
Speaker 1: You clean that up to who's the who's the cop?

576
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,519
Speaker 3: Or like oh fuck, like he's still there?

577
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: Yea, they just left them.

578
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,559
Speaker 3: They service the elevators every year, so it'll be like

579
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,519
know eight months later, Well, just.

580
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,319
Speaker 1: Like one, you gotta gets bought out there. Two there's

581
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,440
blood like dripping on the elevator down below, like that

582
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,480
cleanup job has to be awful.

583
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 3: So sidebar, it's the whole intro.

584
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,519
Speaker 2: I think there it's it's fun because it's Okay, we're

585
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:17,799
getting into the mission, I possible kind of mission here

586
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:21,720
and all that the impossible thing, and I mean the

587
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:24,440
team does it very very well. But then yeah, things

588
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:27,440
kind of go sideways, and John Voyd's looking sus as

589
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,799
fuck with him just being on the like he's casually

590
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:34,039
like I can't do anything about the elevator and Estevez

591
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,799
freaking out the power.

592
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, power, cut the power. What did he say? His

593
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,079
name is Jack?

594
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,279
Speaker 2: Right, cut the power. Jack. It's like, you're way too

595
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:46,720
calm about this, mister Voight. But I just I lose

596
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,079
it afterwards because I feel like, Okay, we're in Prague

597
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,200
for too long, and then we get Kittridge in there,

598
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,279
and I don't know, maybe I'm probably just spoiled because

599
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,240
we have the other mission impossibles that are out and

600
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,960
so going back to this one, it just doesn't fit

601
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,160
for me very well or work very well. And that's

602
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,599
my own fault, my own problem.

603
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

604
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, just once we get past this, I the

605
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:11,839
only real highlight is just when they try to go

606
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,599
get the knock list. I think that's that's really an

607
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,799
awesome sequence. But then even after that, like the last

608
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,240
epic scene is just I'm not engaged with these these missions.

609
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:24,559
Speaker 3: And while the team is interesting.

610
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: Engaged, the team dying, that's not even some fun.

611
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:31,079
Speaker 3: At the start. No, No, I'm not. I'm really just.

612
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: Like Homeland or just watching all these Humans stuff. Are

613
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,079
you watching email? Aspets gets skewed and he feels nothing

614
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,039
for him, you know, it's it's it's it's super shitty,

615
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:42,000
but like it's just I don't know, like I don't

616
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,039
I don't have that connection with these characters.

617
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:45,839
Speaker 3: And then it's just the way the characters.

618
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: Keep popping up one by one, it's getting super sus

619
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:51,160
And then honestly, and this is just again my own

620
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,640
lack of proper insight on on this story, because I

621
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,279
feel like, Okay, so someone this whole mission was set

622
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,480
up to houset a mole and the IEM, and that

623
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,599
mole was trying to sell a knocklist to this buyer,

624
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:06,079
and this buyer was gonna settle off to whatever, and

625
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,559
this person was gonna make tons of money. Uh, and

626
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,680
that person was John Voy, But I still get kind

627
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,680
of convoluted on how everything goes down, because why does

628
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:20,000
it come down to Ethan trying to actually steal the

629
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,960
real knocklist and actually put himself on the line, Like

630
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,839
it just there's certain motivations, certain things.

631
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: Get it from the he wants to get it from

632
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,119
the enemies, trying to get the knocklist now, right.

633
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:33,559
Speaker 2: Like he goes in and actually gets the knockolist himself, but.

634
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: I think he knows because it's classic Ethan right, where

635
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,599
a mission impossible. They say, hey, we need to do

636
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,759
a mission, but we need you to specifically do it

637
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:42,319
this way, and Ethan Hunts like, well, no, I'm not

638
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:43,880
gonna do it that way, and that's why they disavow

639
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,880
and right because like, oh he's a bad guy. But

640
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,759
that's the same thing here where he's been told, Okay,

641
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:50,599
there's a mole they're going to do this. And I

642
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:53,799
think the idea is if that knocklist gets out and

643
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,920
they don't know who got it out there, they're just

644
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,759
gonna assume, Like it's a bad thing for them to assume,

645
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,839
but they're just gonna assume that it's Ethan Hunt that

646
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,000
put the list out, where if he gets the actual list,

647
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,400
he can go no, like I'm not a fucking mole.

648
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,480
I'm not the bad guy. Here's your list. I'm giving

649
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:08,000
it right to you.

650
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: So it's like, doesn't make they didn't have the list

651
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,039
because the list I think was only a couple of names,

652
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,480
but like there's only half a list that was housted

653
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:16,400
at the beginning.

654
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,599
Speaker 3: But then what happened is going for the full list though.

655
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: That's why.

656
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:22,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I just feel well.

657
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,079
Speaker 2: I feel like he could have just change the dynamic

658
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,880
and stop them at buffed up security, help the IMF,

659
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,440
Like put.

660
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: Okay, then you should say he should help the IMF,

661
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,400
but he's always running away from them to.

662
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,839
Speaker 2: Do But then he trusted him and John Boyd's wife

663
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:39,720
popping up too and all that, and like the weird

664
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,200
sexual tension there, like there's there's so much going on,

665
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:46,319
Like I I just hate it too. When he has

666
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:48,640
this call with Kittridge and then he like hangs up,

667
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,400
and then this guy in a trench coach just turns hi, Ethan,

668
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,839
this is the susst fucking thing of all time.

669
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,319
Speaker 1: But Ethan knows that, remember he already knows it.

670
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:00,839
Speaker 2: Not yet, not yet, because he listens, He's like, oh

671
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,240
thank god, you're alive. So we're doing and then after

672
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,319
a few seconds goes by, then you start getting the

673
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:07,000
scenes of him like realized.

674
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: Like why'd you do it?

675
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:08,799
Speaker 3: Why'd you do it?

676
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,119
Speaker 1: Jim?

677
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: Like he was lying it.

678
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,279
Speaker 1: I don't think he was, because earlier this is how

679
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,920
I don't think. So before it's revealed that John Voyd's alive,

680
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,880
he reads that book and it says Drake Hotel and

681
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,279
like zooms on on Tom Cruise like Drake Hotel and

682
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,119
it's John Boyd's voice saying that. So he to me

683
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,200
figures it out right.

684
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: There, and I figured that was I figured that was

685
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,319
him realizing that John Voight was giving him like kind

686
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,200
of even though he died at this point, it was

687
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,000
kind of still like oh here, I know you'd find

688
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,000
this like keep going, keep going, Like I don't know,

689
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:41,160
I just felt weird.

690
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: What do you Seecret? How do you How did you

691
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,839
read that scene there? Because I feel like even the

692
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,160
way Cruise plays him when they're talking, he's trying to

693
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,160
still get more information. But it could be the way

694
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,559
that yeah, he's just figuring out, like.

695
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: When he finds him in London, Is that what you

696
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:54,519
guys are?

697
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like when they're having lunch. Does Cruise have any

698
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,319
idea at that point that Jim is a bad guy?

699
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: I think yes. I think it's an interesting way to

700
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:07,480
show that scene too, because it shows Jim's like what

701
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,799
he's telling Ethan, like this is what happened, But then

702
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:13,799
they're also showing the scenes of like what actually happened.

703
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,680
So I feel like, initially I take it as like, okay,

704
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,319
Ethan's believing him, but then they're just telling us the

705
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,319
viewer here, more information than what Ethan would know to

706
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,599
just kind of like yeah, switch it from us just

707
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,519
following Ethan's perspective and only knowing what he knows, and

708
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:32,039
then going into kind of like the final showdown, we

709
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:34,759
know what Ethan doesn't, but then it's also revealed that

710
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:39,079
he actually did have suspicions beforehand, even later on when

711
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,440
they have like the final showdown on the on the train,

712
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,039
like that's when that he it revealed that he knew

713
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:49,440
even before the London meeting that you should know about Claire.

714
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:53,720
So yeah, I mean, yeah, they don't say it in

715
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,720
like the cleanest way of like why Ethan would have

716
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,200
had suspicions beforehand. I feel like even just the way

717
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,000
that his body language and like everything earlier on, he

718
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,359
just he just seems like he's so out of his

719
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,160
element in a certain sense of like my whole team

720
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:13,519
is is dead, I'm I'm a fugitive now, like just yeah,

721
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,079
just there's worst case scenario. So it's a little bit

722
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:18,359
inconsistent the way that they do cover that, But I

723
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,200
do believe that for the most part, just because like

724
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,680
the way he's so calm and cool, like at the end,

725
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,200
just dealing with Jim and Claire and all those things.

726
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:31,759
It's it's a little bit interesting how like they put

727
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,720
so much emphasis on like, Okay, it's one thing Jim

728
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,160
to betray him, but Claire, man, like that was like

729
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,480
that that was the nail on the coffin. Yeah. Yeah,

730
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:44,240
like they really like set it up as if it

731
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,640
is this like long forbidden love thing that he's just

732
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,880
always had for Claire. But I don't know, it's a

733
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,599
little bit strange there. But yeah, they also just like

734
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,160
I guess explain, Ethan's just a badass and he just

735
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,480
knew all along, you know, He's just he's just that good.

736
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,839
Speaker 2: He just he figures out all all these ten ceps ahead.

737
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:01,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

738
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Clay things interesting because that to me is

739
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:09,039
a weak point of I think they are trying to

740
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,640
do that. There is some forbidden love, but the way

741
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,160
either it's ridden or might be the actress, Like it

742
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,680
feels like it's like Jim's just misreading the situation, Like

743
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:20,440
I don't even know. I think in the script it

744
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,440
is like these two love each other, but the way

745
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,880
it's portrayed on screen, like it looks like like man

746
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,839
like they're not doing anything, like you pair them together

747
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,759
to be a couple on the mission, they have to

748
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,079
dance and like pretend they're kissing even when Jim's dead.

749
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,160
There's not like a scene when they kiss or like

750
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,880
obviously she knows he's not dead. But it's like look

751
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,400
at Talia Ghoul and fucking Dark Knight rises. She still

752
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,240
fucks Bruce Wayne. There's no reason for it too, but

753
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,839
it's like, well, I gotta keep my cover up, right.

754
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,240
She like she doesn't have sex with Ethan. They don't

755
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:48,240
kiss nothing, They don't talk about running away together like

756
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,960
being like oh fine, like it like it's still like, oh,

757
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,279
I'm so sorry about Jim, Like it's it's a weird.

758
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,720
It feels like he's jealous, But then in the end

759
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:57,680
train scene it does feel like Ethan cares for so

760
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,640
I feel like that's not the greatest They're supposed to

761
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,359
be leam ambiguous, and I don't know was it worth

762
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:05,079
it for the turn just to do the turn then

763
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,239
like immediately just kill her off like the second that dramas,

764
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,400
They're like, oh, we got more drama. Ethan knows she's bad,

765
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,559
What's what could be this conversation? What could go down here? Now?

766
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,239
John Waite just fucking caps her and well she's gone.

767
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,519
It's like okay. Like that, that is like a messy

768
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,239
part of the movie that never hits for me too much,

769
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,920
which I hadn't trivia that they base that character off

770
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,960
of ves Blin from the Casino Ryal book. So there

771
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,159
you go, and even look wise, you can see oh yeah,

772
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:34,039
I can see like definitely Eve agreeing there. But yeah,

773
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,960
that I'd say that's probably, next to the the train sequence,

774
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:39,639
the weakest part of the film for me. It's this

775
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:40,639
weird triangle.

776
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Even even earlier on, like right after the mission

777
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,480
go Sideways, Ethan goes back to the safe house, which

778
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:49,239
I don't understand why they were just so like trusting

779
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,159
of that safe house, Like I imagine I am f

780
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,800
would have known about that, but they just keep going

781
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,039
back to it, even after his meeting with Kitchers. But whatever,

782
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:01,079
it's a minor thing. When Claire shows up and he's

783
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:04,440
tripping out seeing John Void coming at him all bloody.

784
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what were you?

785
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 3: I need to do? And then and then I'm like

786
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,480
he's like super suss of Claire to the point he

787
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:15,360
gets like a little bit a little bit too handsy

788
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,159
with her. You know, he's trying to look for a

789
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,239
wire or something on her, but he's like hold her

790
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,880
down to the bed, and it's just like a really

791
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,159
strange scene. He's like face to face with her.

792
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: It's like the start of a poet. Hold the wire, no, don't.

793
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,880
Then she grabs his cock like do you like breathing?

794
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: Like really yeah, He's like he's like lifting up her shirt.

795
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:36,800
But it just seems like he just sees her as

796
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,400
like an enemy. It's like I can't trust you no

797
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,599
matter what. So to go from that until later on

798
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:42,840
he's like doing all this extra work to try and

799
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,840
like find out if she's actually like against him. It

800
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:48,920
just seems a little bit of stretch, but not really

801
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,360
something that's that big of like a knock against the film.

802
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,320
I think it's just something I kind of noticed on

803
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,000
this rewatch. I'm like, this is kind of interesting, how

804
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,639
just yeah, Like the whole gym Ethan Claire triage is

805
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,360
strange to begin with, but I think I was just

806
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,119
dissecting a little bit more of the details this watch around.

807
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:13,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I did like that with that cod situation,

808
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,159
Like I don't know if I ever bought I don't

809
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:17,679
know remember the first time. I like it, but I

810
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:19,719
feel like it's smart in movies when you kill off

811
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,320
a character and you're gonna have them back to do

812
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,480
a dream sequence or a hallucination because you, to me

813
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:26,960
by that that character is not coming back. You're like, well,

814
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,199
if they're here in the dream, they must be dead

815
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,440
because they're not coming back. And then gymnasts come back

816
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,119
and whatnot.

817
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,079
Speaker 3: So he comes back, look like this.

818
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:44,199
Speaker 1: God, did that just get added? We always had that

819
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:49,599
we get there one day, but yeah, what did uh?

820
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,800
Any thoughts on the love triangle there?

821
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: Uh, it just didn't work for me, and I prefer.

822
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,519
Speaker 3: My my Ethan to be Uh.

823
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: I like the later ones where he's got like we'll

824
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,639
talk more about it later later on, but in short,

825
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,360
I love that he just he loves his ex wife

826
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,679
and just the reasons behind that.

827
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: I love that he just has the.

828
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: Vanessa Kirby thing, like he's just having a good time.

829
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,679
You know, business is business, and.

830
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: Don't do anything they do.

831
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,559
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't have they did not implying.

832
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,199
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and dead reckoning they did.

833
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,599
Speaker 2: They did know that you did, Oh yeah, they did,

834
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,360
Kirkly and you just saw the movie, like you can

835
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,840
back me up because but they put that on the table,

836
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,800
like I do you think Rebecca Ferdiston like puts that

837
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,119
out there and he just dismisses it, like but coyly things.

838
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,119
Speaker 1: Know what you are? Two things you're confusing, I said.

839
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,800
One they had never had sexual relations. That's true. He

840
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,719
was not having sex with her while he was with

841
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,039
Rebecca Ferguson. And two that's partially him playing along because

842
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:50,000
he's like, you knows.

843
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: What they're implying that, they're implying that he had to

844
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,119
make it up to her or do something.

845
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: They didn't do it.

846
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: He never did that.

847
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:00,079
Speaker 1: But yeah, I.

848
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,079
Speaker 3: Like, I like, I like those.

849
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: Those later lovers. But this this triangle just it's not

850
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,960
it's not doing it for me, not doing it for me,

851
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,719
It's just it's weird.

852
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: It's weird age big John Boys the elder out of

853
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,239
all of them.

854
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: I saw some stat where I'm pretty sure I don't

855
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,440
know it's this movie or a last movie, where Tom

856
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,800
Cruise is now older than John Boy was at the

857
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,280
beginning of this movie, and it's like, man, that's a

858
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:33,199
crazy just obviously it's big dynamic change here, but uh yeah,

859
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,639
that's something. Yeah, we'll talk about number two. I feel

860
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:38,840
like his love interests to start with the franchise. We're

861
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,280
not U not prime real estate here in the writing department.

862
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,760
But the other thing I never don't know why I

863
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,880
didn't put together till now. I felt like an idiot.

864
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,239
I'm sure people talked about it, and I even rewatched

865
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,039
this before we said watch Dead Reckoning. But the train

866
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,360
like the finale action sequences on a train in Dead

867
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,880
Reckoning and here it is. It gets a train right

868
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,000
because they're hanging in every.

869
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,559
Speaker 3: There's a lot of parallels.

870
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny with Kitchers being back. So now

871
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,039
I'm interested because I really I'm gonna rewatch even though

872
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,119
we're not doing a retro I'm gonna rewatch Dead Reckning

873
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:12,119
because obviously the files coming out and I have seen

874
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,400
since theaters, but I was watching this like, oh, I'm

875
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,039
so dumb, So like that's where that movie plays it

876
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:20,519
a lot better. Yeah, I just it's weird again where

877
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:23,360
it's a lot of sneaking around. He takes off the

878
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,039
mask is him, and then all of a sudden, John

879
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,079
Voyd climbs the ladder and they said, we're in a

880
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,880
completely different movie. We're in James Bomb Warren Triple X.

881
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:33,199
They're like rolling around up there. John Voyd's got this

882
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,440
fucking goggles, fucking leon. The professionals there with the helicopter

883
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,159
trying to get close, which feels like the most riskiest

884
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,880
play ever, even Tom Cruise or Ethan Hunt, who's supposed

885
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,679
to be sure he's doing his mission impossible, any mission,

886
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,440
just to get it done, But to attach a helicopter

887
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:51,239
to a moving train felt like, are you trying to

888
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,400
massacre everyone on this fucking train? Like it like it'd

889
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,360
be different. It was just like the bad guys with

890
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,039
the file and Dad Reckning. Isn't that the same thing?

891
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:00,880
Don't they have a file that unload with the entity

892
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,400
or something? Right, isn't there still like a computer where

893
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,360
there's like a clock ticking or am I wrong? I

894
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,920
thought Vanessa Kirby was like a oh, check the file,

895
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,480
check the file, and this movie has that our Kittridge

896
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,360
or no Vanessa, what was she? What's her name? She's

897
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,360
a male? No, no, no, in this movie she has

898
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,760
a male's name, but she's a female. Max backs, Yeah,

899
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,360
same thing. She's trying to like get a file upload

900
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,679
in the computer or something like that.

901
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:30,679
Speaker 3: So it is really similar. But yeah, something like that with.

902
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:33,159
Speaker 1: A computer, I feel like. But either way, like again,

903
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,679
like it'd be different. Was just Max, John Voyd and her.

904
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,880
I'm assuming there's other people on this train, so to

905
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,239
attach the helicopter, They'm like, oh my god, like how risky.

906
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,159
And then above all else too, the fucking helicopter makes

907
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:50,480
it through the tunnel and it's completely fun. I'm sure.

908
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,400
Definitely in the world there's some tunnels that could fit helicopter.

909
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: And you could precisely zone.

910
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:58,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, yeah, you can fly it through I

911
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,559
remember that map. I missed that one. You can fly

912
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:02,480
it through a tunnel. But the fact that you're flying

913
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,239
through a tunnel in action scene connected it's just I

914
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,519
could believe that maybe in later movies and even maybe

915
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:09,440
I roll my eyes, but this movie it doesn't fit

916
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,320
and it takes me out of it, and I can't

917
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,119
even have fun with that because it just feels so

918
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,119
different than the rest of the movie. It's just even

919
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:20,039
too Like the way he survives is him and John

920
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:23,679
Boy are both hanging from the helicopter. He puts the

921
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,760
ball in there the mag John Voy look like the

922
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,519
oldest guy who's like trying to get off the copper

923
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,760
and he like can't, but Ethan like jumps off the

924
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,079
copper and uses the explosion to propel himself to the train,

925
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,880
like he'd probably just be engulfed in flame. Like everything

926
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,679
about it just I think because in this movie in particular,

927
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,199
that just feels like this just doesn't work for me.

928
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,400
It's that this, like the third act, actively takes points

929
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,800
down like the longer goes on.

930
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,599
Speaker 3: Every time I watch it, so it's taking big jumps there.

931
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:53,800
It's for the most part, like all the gadgetary and

932
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,840
like the like when they're when they're rating the CIA headquarters.

933
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,639
It seems like pretty grounded for the most part, like

934
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:06,159
like possibility, yeah exactly, and then yeah, all those factors

935
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:09,119
you just mentioned, and then Leon the professional tries to

936
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,920
fucking like decapitate him with the blades of the helicopter,

937
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,000
which is like best case scenario, you fucking get him,

938
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,039
but then you're just gonna ram your blades into the

939
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:20,119
train and just die. Anyway, It's like it is very

940
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:23,679
Triple X and just yeah, I mean it's not as

941
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:25,800
egregious as the stuff that happens in the second film.

942
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,840
That one is like, man, I feel like it's on

943
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,880
the same sets as Triple X, even just with like

944
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,360
the we'll get to it, We'll get to that movie.

945
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,639
But yeah, yeah, I completely agreed. It ramps up to

946
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,440
a whole another level. And it's it's it's funny though,

947
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,960
because everything up until they go on the roof of

948
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,599
the train is like still in that grounded like kind

949
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:49,760
of like realm of believability. But then the second they

950
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,000
go up there, and yeah, you already mentioned all the

951
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:57,079
funny details John Voyd's character and everyone else, but uh, yeah,

952
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,880
I wonder what they were they were thinking. It's like,

953
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,239
let's throw this in the tunnel just to have even

954
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:02,800
more stage.

955
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,199
Speaker 1: I guess it's just they looked at the movie and

956
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,800
we're just like it needs a big finish and let's

957
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,400
say that. But even then, like I guess, like a

958
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,880
top crowns around possibility, you got eyes why shut like

959
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,840
I just like I guess this was Tom Cruise trying

960
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,519
to be like the big action star and like also

961
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:20,360
it worked out, don't get me wrong, but just feels

962
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,559
like it's it's not like he has a history of

963
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,159
Oh and I need like you need this big set piece.

964
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,199
It's not like a fast and furious movie.

965
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: But and the one thing too is it's just being

966
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,280
all CGI at the end a bullet train like that.

967
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,800
This is the way the helicopter is angled, even pulling

968
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,320
it like it's just like it's literally impossible. The helicopter

969
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,199
is not gonna move like that. The fact that a CGI,

970
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,519
I just hate that. They should have found a way

971
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:48,800
to make it look like it was like practical just

972
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:52,039
stage like the end of a train and then H

973
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,000
like a helicopter positioning and CGI the propellers and then

974
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,679
just CGI like the background moving really really fast to

975
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,280
make it look like it's moving instead of just c

976
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,679
G iing like an animated train of helicopter. Just I

977
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:05,760
don't know, do something different I'm sure they could have

978
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,000
figured it out, because this it just yeah, pulls you out.

979
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,719
And then I really like the the actor he he

980
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,719
played Frans he's the French guy because he's in that

981
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,400
Godzilla nineteen nineties Godzilla movie where the French Secret Service coming.

982
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:27,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about him multiple times. You're like, I

983
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,119
like that French. Remember talking about him with Maddie and

984
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:29,400
the Air.

985
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: I don't remember Sunday Morning Tears, not ready for this,

986
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,920
but no, he's yeah, he's just he's fantastic in this

987
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,719
and I like that he he got played by Ethan,

988
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,760
and ever since watching multiple times, ever since watching m

989
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,119
I two, when we get to that like it just

990
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,960
m I two highlights Ethan's love of misdirection. And I

991
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,719
like that because in retrospect for here, he's all about misdirection.

992
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,519
Speaker 1: Just flexing on in front everybody, just like.

993
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: He did not have to ahumiliate him that hard, but

994
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,559
he went above and beyond.

995
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did think watching it this time, which would

996
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,760
have been a cool thing, I thought. And then I

997
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,599
was wrong when he had you know, uh, Leon the

998
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:19,760
professional has a disc and then Tom Cruise has a disc.

999
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,000
I thought he was psyching him. Out to make him

1000
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:23,760
throw out the disc and be like, actually I didn't

1001
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,800
have the disc and like got it from him, but no,

1002
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,639
he did just like flex on him the whole time

1003
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:29,199
and just like I'm gonna do a bunch of magic

1004
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,800
and just make him look like an idiot. But I

1005
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,280
thought he was trying to trick him to get him

1006
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,559
to leave that disc, like oh, it's nothing, and then like,

1007
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,400
oh my god, is what he does.

1008
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: He does trick him to leave the disc, but.

1009
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: That's not the real disc.

1010
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:40,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

1011
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: He the because he had the real disc and he

1012
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,199
was like Kreager has it, and so Ethan does all

1013
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,360
the fake bullshit and then Creaker's like, don't fuck with

1014
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,320
me with your magic again, throws it in the garbage,

1015
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,239
and then Ethan takes it gives it to Luther.

1016
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah he doesn't, and then Luther's like, yep, yeah, he

1017
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:58,119
like makes a comment about it. I'll double check your out.

1018
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,559
He does. He does?

1019
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,639
Speaker 1: What did I just have a fucking did? I just

1020
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,239
like my brain race.

1021
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: Story though, that's the fucking story. It plays tricks on you.

1022
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember him picking up because if so, Bravo,

1023
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:11,760
that's what my thought of, Like, yeah, that's what you

1024
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,639
should do, is have him.

1025
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: He pulls out of the garbage, and Luther's like, oh,

1026
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,920
he had the rule one the whole time. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

1027
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,239
that's why I'm trusting it to you.

1028
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: Hold on to my brain just like completely, like you know,

1029
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,760
the father of five kids twins, I'm a little sleep deprived.

1030
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,679
Speaker 3: His magic trick worked on you. He's creeker. Looks like

1031
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,519
he got fucking stupefied or something that seemed too. He's

1032
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,480
just Ethan's like smacking him in the head with the

1033
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,079
disc just being such a fu.

1034
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: He's doing real magic on him. Ethan's good. So oh man, okay,

1035
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,519
let's see here. I've Ben Raims introduced him. I like

1036
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,519
I put in the trivia that the reason they got

1037
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,719
him is they wanted a different look for Hacker. They

1038
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,559
didn't just want like a just usual Oh yeah Benji nerdy, Yeah,

1039
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,159
just like.

1040
00:46:58,159 --> 00:46:59,039
Speaker 3: They didn't want this guy.

1041
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:03,039
Speaker 1: Yeah that pole hits in rains the polls breaking like

1042
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,920
you know. And but yeah, he's good here. It's great

1043
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,719
to have him in there, especially just because other than

1044
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,719
what we'll talk about four and he's still in it.

1045
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,079
But it's like, now we get down to Final Wreck

1046
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:18,719
being other than Tom Cruise, He's like the only piece

1047
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,639
that's like still around from the originals, right, which is

1048
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,559
like different. There's so many franchises you look at Fast

1049
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:25,519
and Furious, there's like six characters where it's like, Okay,

1050
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,840
they've still been here the whole time, right, but the

1051
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,639
Mission Possible it's just those two, so it's it's interesting.

1052
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, he unfortunately didn't make them all though, right said,

1053
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:37,360
Rogue Nations is the one.

1054
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't appear in No Ghost Protocol. He does, He's

1055
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,119
just not on the team. He's busy doing something else.

1056
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,599
Speaker 3: But I feel like I've always liked Luthor throughout the

1057
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,960
whole franchise just yeah, been Rains is just just really

1058
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,920
good in that role. But now that like I'm starting

1059
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,960
to rewatch, especially just watching the original one all these

1060
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:02,119
years later, I feel like I appreciate him so much

1061
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,519
more because he's just he is a different type of hacker.

1062
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,159
He's also just like the most like trustworthy. I feel

1063
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,760
like out of like everyone Ethan deals with like a

1064
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,119
lot of shady people, like the Kreekers of the world,

1065
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,199
but but Vin Rains is always just like he's a

1066
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:23,599
criminal technically, like at the start of this, he's been disavowed.

1067
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,480
I guess. I don't know if that means he's on

1068
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:27,519
the run, but he's just he's just a disavowed agent.

1069
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: He's kind of but he was playing pretty low key,

1070
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,800
so I think he was maybe a wanted man. But

1071
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:35,840
if you're a bump into him, they might slap some

1072
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,800
cuffs on him, you know.

1073
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, maybe. But he just always seems like he's

1074
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:43,159
on the right side of like the moral alignment. And

1075
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,880
even in like the later films, he seems like I.

1076
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,639
Speaker 2: Think it's one of his lines actually in the movie,

1077
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:49,519
he always on the right side, brother or something.

1078
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,559
Speaker 3: It sounds wrong, brother. It seems like Ethan oftentimes too

1079
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:58,239
will like sway to do like what he has to do,

1080
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,800
even though it might not be like what's right. And

1081
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,159
then Luther will be kind of like that conscience on

1082
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:06,880
it on his shoulder. So I just really like the role.

1083
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,679
And then shuts out of pulp fiction.

1084
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,679
Speaker 1: What's his clip? I see someone as a clip up here?

1085
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: I got the I got the clip here. Yeah, we'll

1086
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:14,320
go back.

1087
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: He's doing his little tricks.

1088
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's doctor Stranger, Luther.

1089
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,119
Speaker 3: In the back with the coy smile, on all right,

1090
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,360
He's going and the Claire's laughing in the background too.

1091
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,400
In this scene there throws in the trash.

1092
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:35,639
Speaker 1: In the trash, yeah, okay.

1093
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,679
Speaker 3: Camera shots Ethan's there.

1094
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 2: He goes pulling it out and then he threw out

1095
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,519
his fu Yeah, he threw his out, that's right.

1096
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think what I did is I think I

1097
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,400
looked away Luther's face. So I think I looked away

1098
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:51,599
and then saw just this party, like, oh, yes it is.

1099
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,559
And I feel because I've seen this movie before, I remember, like, no,

1100
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,119
it would have been so much better if he likes

1101
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:59,119
through the garbage. So I like, I like Mendela effect

1102
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,000
that I had the idea, but really could have seen

1103
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:04,079
the movie. No, that's fantastic ten other than the magic.

1104
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:05,639
But you know, for me and Furmoss, that was great.

1105
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,480
Love Luther's glasses he's got wearing on. But yeah, I

1106
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:13,320
know it's funny you mentioned pulp fiction. I just watched

1107
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,800
that this week. I had to create. I don't know

1108
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:22,639
why I did, but again, I really it's such an.

1109
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: As Tom Cruise size in there too, you know a

1110
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,440
little bit. You don't have him on like a step

1111
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:29,320
trying to make him bigger.

1112
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: They forgot that day he saw He's sitting in the theaters, like,

1113
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,239
are you fucking kidding me? No one caught this, but no,

1114
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,119
it almost happened once. But again, I really hope Cruise

1115
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:41,719
works with Tarantino before it's all sunden. I know Tarantino's

1116
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,639
just one more, but I would love to see that.

1117
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,079
But I also think their styles would clash heavily. So

1118
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:50,119
I got no more movie notes. I don't think I

1119
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:52,360
have Trivia's stuff and aboly my fune, but do you

1120
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,800
guys got any specific scenes or moments to shout out.

1121
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: Like something that's I feel like I didn't realize with

1122
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,360
such a mission possible staple that is is like taking

1123
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,920
off the fake masks, and I obviously remember it in

1124
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,039
the later films, but like I didn't realize how much

1125
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:11,880
they actually use it. In the second one, they use

1126
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,639
it even more. I feel like that can doitetop.

1127
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: I fucking love this, Let's do it.

1128
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,119
Speaker 3: It is a fun gadget thing. It's popped up and

1129
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:22,480
meddle your sola. That's that's another place where I've seen

1130
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,119
it before. But it's just a really fun like high

1131
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:29,840
tech but also not like that high of tech type yeah, yeah,

1132
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,320
just gadgery to use, so appreciate it here.

1133
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: I wish we had money. I would love to do

1134
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,920
it on podcasts, like start the podcast with us all

1135
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:38,599
our names, but then we take it off and it's

1136
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:42,039
like yeah, mind fuck Yeah, I would love to do.

1137
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,519
The things I would do is a billionaire podcast, like

1138
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:47,079
make us some mission impossible masks, and let's do that

1139
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,400
on the Mass. I got trivia that it's the only

1140
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,239
Mission Possible movie with the trademark mass removal that is

1141
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,360
entirely practical effects. So from here on it's always touched

1142
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,440
with CGI or something. But uh, and I think you

1143
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,079
can tell too, because like it's in the second.

1144
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: Look like Tom Cruise in this one.

1145
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, in this all the rest of them, it's like

1146
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:07,039
Tom Cruise can transform into like Queen Elizabeth, but in

1147
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,679
this one, it's like it's him that you can tell

1148
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,480
Tom Cruise with like a variation. Like they're smart, Like

1149
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,000
they're really like like the politician guy on the news,

1150
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,960
he's like Tom Cruise an old makeup, so then you

1151
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,920
can get him a look like that same thing with

1152
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,519
like the the other characters. So I think that's smart,

1153
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:27,000
and I they do the they do do that a

1154
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:28,559
couple more times in the future where they have Tom

1155
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,000
cruise look like somebody but h yeah, you can definitely

1156
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,280
still tell it's Ethan Hunt.

1157
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,639
Speaker 3: But you know, if you know him, you wouldn't know,

1158
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,440
you know, so yeah, absolutely, And then the other probably

1159
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:40,760
like the most iconic scene for me in this whole

1160
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,000
film is when they do that the raid of the

1161
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:47,400
CIA Complex and right, it's pretty much like all the

1162
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,519
Mission Impossible movies have a sequence like this. Later on

1163
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,079
they have multiple it's pretty much like the whole damn

1164
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:56,760
movie and in the later ones, but just yeah, it's

1165
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,920
simple but yet like very effective the way that they're

1166
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,239
able to do this. I like the just the explanation

1167
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:06,800
of the guy that's going into the room and they

1168
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,079
just give him some fucking bad potatoes or.

1169
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:13,119
Speaker 1: Or guy he's just doing his regular job. He shitting

1170
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:16,480
bridges the whole day, like or he's peaking up. He's

1171
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:18,400
literally walking around with a trash can.

1172
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, he thinks he's in the clear, then

1173
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,400
he has to double back go back to the bathroom. Yeah,

1174
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,599
these scenes are always like fun with just all like

1175
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,519
if it goes up a single degree, you know, the

1176
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:30,599
alarms go off, but like to me, it just doesn't

1177
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,840
really make a lot of sense. Also, like this guy

1178
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,719
that's like shit in his pants, he's kind of be

1179
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,280
pretty sweaty, I would imagine, so therefore I would imagine

1180
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,480
he is actually increasing the temperature of the room to

1181
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:42,480
cause that thing to go off. And there's just many

1182
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:45,760
sequences of them like almost dropping Ethan. I'm like, come on,

1183
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,159
like they're making noise here. There's no way they're They're

1184
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:51,280
below the decibel level. But I still appreciate it. It's fun

1185
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,840
Tom cruise with these like nerdy glasses with like the

1186
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,880
peck that has the just the cameras on them, and yeah,

1187
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,199
it's just just a fun sequence. I like when Kreeger

1188
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:03,000
the rat comes to fucking like mess around with him

1189
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:08,719
and he just kills the rat holding Tom. Yeah, so

1190
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,039
it's it's just a fun sequence overall. And then it's

1191
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:14,159
kind of weird how it ends when when he like

1192
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,199
he's like Malc and then he takes like the disc

1193
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,400
from Ethan and in the moment, I imagine he's just

1194
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,599
like leaving Ethan there, but then they still leave together,

1195
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:23,000
so it's like why the fuck did he even have

1196
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:24,639
to do that? And then he drops his knife. It's

1197
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:27,840
just weird. Weird Creaker's just a weird guy overall.

1198
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I'm wondering because technically, if he was like

1199
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,880
the like not he's with Voight, right, wouldn't it be

1200
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,880
smart to get the disc and then just cut him

1201
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,679
and leave him.

1202
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 3: This I thought to do, or he dropped his knife,

1203
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,559
He's like, fuck, okay, nevermind.

1204
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure. But I'm also not sure, like

1205
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,559
his vin Rains is plugged in. Is it something like

1206
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,480
that where he wants to get away, where like because

1207
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,079
he's seen the size of vin Rains, like he knows

1208
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:51,920
zinn Rain's gonna fuck him up. He's fine, He's like

1209
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:54,760
maybe it's that to where like technically, okay, he does that,

1210
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,880
but then vin Rainel is like, hey, this guy's bad,

1211
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,119
and like whether he falls and tracks him whatever, I

1212
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:05,480
don't know because the figurings is doing some some Yeah.

1213
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,280
I was trying to think if like he needed Luthor

1214
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,599
to do something to that desk before he took it,

1215
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:13,199
but I don't think that gets established. So yeah, I

1216
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,360
think you're right. That's a little spotty. But yeah, that sequence,

1217
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,000
it's like when we get to best scenes or anything

1218
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,440
like that, and good thing. You brought that up before

1219
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,239
he moved on one. I would love to watch that

1220
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:23,440
in a theater because I just feel like the close

1221
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:25,880
cores and the camera angles they use there, it just

1222
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:28,920
feel like cinematic in that moment. I would love to

1223
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,000
have the score. And just like huge screens seem Tom

1224
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,159
Cruise to come down, and that's like you talk about

1225
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,800
movie magic and iconic photos or scenes, this is one

1226
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,880
of those, like how many DVDs, how many theater openings

1227
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,079
that we've seen that has like Tom Cruise falling and

1228
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:44,800
just almost hitting the floor right like that is like

1229
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,400
a whoever, I'm sure it happened in movies before, like

1230
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,199
a guy almost hitting the floor, but this is like

1231
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,159
the aversion. Like even the photo we have the background, right,

1232
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,119
you have this stuff like his reflection is like perfectly

1233
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:59,719
right there, Like it's just like it's shot so well,

1234
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:02,119
it's blocked so well. Like that's something where it's like

1235
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,199
again even tambing too, like O, how it did so well.

1236
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,320
I feel like just even seeing the trailer, you're like, oh,

1237
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,800
I gotta see that scene. And even then if you don't,

1238
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,679
if you thought the rest of me was okay, I

1239
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,360
think this scene like delivers of like that's a cool

1240
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,159
spy thing, and it feels like somewhat practical. It has

1241
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:18,920
great intensity. I love when the guy does get in

1242
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,880
there and everything's kind of okay and he just sees

1243
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,360
that knife and you just don't really know what to think,

1244
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,000
right because there's no blood, but it's just like a

1245
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,639
knife just places in the computer and then he checks

1246
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,119
like last upload, like oh fuck. But and like the

1247
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:33,239
little good foreshadow I love. I forget about every time

1248
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,679
when they when he has the knife, Oh god, what's

1249
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,960
his name again? Only Creeker and he slams his hand

1250
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:42,920
up the knight like you could see that it's the

1251
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,159
same knife from earlier in the film, But I always

1252
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,320
forget that. So like literally they do like a saw

1253
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,719
thing where all this will before saw. But like if

1254
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,159
you were playing close enough attention, you see that knife

1255
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,440
stab her, and then you see the Creaker's knife, you go, oh,

1256
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:57,639
he's in on. So I love the little you know,

1257
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,280
breadcrumbs that lead along the way that.

1258
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: Just ruined be for anyone, like you know they catch

1259
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,519
it was like, oh well fuck, now I know.

1260
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:06,159
Speaker 3: And just in the next half hour, I think it's.

1261
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:07,519
Speaker 1: Like an O ship because like not that it's like

1262
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:10,360
a ruining, but I remember in the theaters when we

1263
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,760
were watching Homecoming, figuring out that Keene was so and

1264
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,000
So's dad before we got the scene, and that you're like, a,

1265
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,519
oh fuck, I can't wait to get telling everyone.

1266
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:21,679
Speaker 3: You're like that that's him. They're gonna reveal it.

1267
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:28,519
Speaker 1: That's his dad, that's its god and then just a

1268
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:36,199
big fight but fucking kill you. But yeah, ten ten

1269
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:42,800
sequins for just filmmaking wise, But yeah, great stuff there, Kittridge.

1270
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: I's kind of a goofball for the most part for me.

1271
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,360
On these rewatches, I think I I still appreciate him

1272
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,880
of just being that like that guy that's just he

1273
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,880
just wants he just wants to get the bad guy.

1274
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,679
He just wants to get Ethan Hunt. They have a

1275
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:02,440
lot of funny close up shots of him, especially like

1276
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:06,519
when he's sitting down with Ethan, and it's a bold move,

1277
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:07,960
you know, to just do this whole thing in the

1278
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,719
public place. I get it. Maybe he's not going to

1279
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,519
react as crazy in a public place, but still he's

1280
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:14,800
just like, Yeah, you're done. You're done, Ethan. You're you're

1281
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,320
going to jail. All these things you killed, all these people,

1282
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,480
and then just just Ethan's piecing it all together that

1283
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:23,760
he's got all these these people watching him. Luckily he's

1284
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,960
got the chewing gum on him. But yeah, Kittridge, I

1285
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,920
think I just kind of chuckle more so on these

1286
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,159
rewatches now, just because he seems he seems so much

1287
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:40,559
more of a character compared to other types of people

1288
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:43,320
in those power roles in the later mission Impossible films,

1289
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:47,559
whether it's I mean, who's another example, I guess Alec

1290
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:50,920
Balden is kind of one of those characters.

1291
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: In Anthony Hopkins Anthony.

1292
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,679
Speaker 3: He's only there for two Yeah, he's very, very minor,

1293
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:59,400
but just other people that are trying to shut him down,

1294
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,719
even like Henry Cavill's handler in in in Fallout, I

1295
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,400
can't remember her name, but just just those types of characters,

1296
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,960
they just seem so much more medicine than this Cattridge character.

1297
00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:10,800
I don't know if it's just the way that they

1298
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,480
do these close up shots or for whatever reason, he

1299
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,960
just seems a lot more mustache toorly to me. Could

1300
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:19,519
kicked all of them, and I appreciate it to an extent,

1301
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:21,480
but it's definitely not my favorite.

1302
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're trying to do that because I

1303
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,519
feel like they're trying to make you think that he

1304
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:27,880
is the mole, like it's not John Voyd, Like he's

1305
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,119
setting up Ethan to take the fall for all this,

1306
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,320
which literally is the plot of Dead Rackning kind of

1307
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,400
you know, in a way again the the uh the

1308
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:41,719
god one of the I don't no, no, no no,

1309
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,159
I'm trying to think the echoes because George Luke is

1310
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:47,280
always describing all sorrows that's gone as echoes. Like that's

1311
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,519
this movie to Deadrackning where it's like, literally the plot

1312
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:52,840
of you think Kittrids might be bad but he's not

1313
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,159
is the plot dead Rackning. Oh he might be bad,

1314
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:56,800
but this time he is bad. It's like, oh, okay,

1315
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,400
I see what she did there. But I think that's

1316
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,639
that's where they go. I'm just be like a slimy,

1317
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,800
you know, arresting his parents, like oh, so'll go away

1318
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,760
if you turn yourself in. But you know, from his

1319
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,639
point of view, he's uh doing the right thing, I guess.

1320
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:15,079
Speaker 3: So it's also just like the setup of his parents

1321
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,559
that shot on the news. They man, they they must

1322
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:20,599
have had a bad Sunday. They you know, they're they're

1323
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,320
going to do their everyday activities and then just have

1324
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,960
a photo of them being arrested for what were they

1325
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,199
accused of, like just robbing a bank or whatever the

1326
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:31,039
hell was like a million.

1327
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: Money or something like that. Yeah, because I'm like, all

1328
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:35,440
this property hasn't been seen for a bit. You guys

1329
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,599
own this or some bank and then yeah, this got

1330
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,239
all the money funded there, so yeah, they like.

1331
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:42,519
Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty grand Yeah, yeah pretty low.

1332
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, hey, bezment's investment. Right, they're just having a

1333
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,599
nice Saturday brunch and just like, oh, prahap, it's a

1334
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,679
mission possible unit, you know, which is funny. We actually

1335
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:54,800
you would have thought we would have returned, And I

1336
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,239
wonder if we'll forget that you would have thought we

1337
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:58,360
were returned to his parents because like that, to me,

1338
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,519
he's a plenty pretty big plot point, like you're finding

1339
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:01,199
your main character.

1340
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 3: They're dead by now for sure, Tom.

1341
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: Cruise is looking pretty good. I'm just like even in

1342
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,559
the other movies, like the fact that they got a

1343
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:10,280
rest and that was you that was used as leverage

1344
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,679
over Ethan Hunt, and they never never touched back to

1345
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:14,039
his parents.

1346
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: I feel like they've wrecked on some things. Because as

1347
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,679
we see in Dead with Kittridge, well, it was just like,

1348
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,199
oh you did you did something very very bad and

1349
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:25,480
that so we've recruited you into the IMF to like

1350
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:28,280
expunge your criminal history. Right, That's kind of like that's

1351
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,239
where we feel like Dead reckoning. They kind of show

1352
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:33,599
this is why how they get their IMF agents by

1353
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:35,719
doing that, say, finding people really skilled in their fields

1354
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,119
and then expunge in their past, which makes sense with

1355
01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:42,039
Luthor because you see him being confronted in the in

1356
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,840
the on the in the scene with Ethan, Ethan's like,

1357
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,599
oh you were responsible for that one crime. He's like,

1358
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,719
there's no evidence that was responsible for it, but damn

1359
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,360
that was a good job or something like that. So anyways,

1360
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:55,760
what I was trying to get is you see the

1361
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,280
scene where he's with that girl in the alleyway, and

1362
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,119
that I came with the other actors name Ato no

1363
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:02,039
not Timothy isn't.

1364
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: No, he looks like Timo.

1365
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:09,519
Speaker 2: He looks like yeah. But he pops up in the ellyway,

1366
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:12,920
shoots Ethan Hunt's lady friend there, and then carries on.

1367
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:15,159
I feel like that's kind of like the introduction because

1368
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,400
you learn that's where kind of set sets him off

1369
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,079
to join the IMF or something like that.

1370
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:20,719
Speaker 1: Oh you're talking about dead reckoning.

1371
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so confused that whole Like, it's

1372
01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:28,000
weird how they changed, they've changed, how that dynamic is.

1373
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 3: He looks like him to me.

1374
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,119
Speaker 1: He still could have been a criminal, though. Just because

1375
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:32,920
he got his girl killed doesn't mean Eithan Hunt wasn't

1376
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,159
a criminal, right, They could have been pulling theft together.

1377
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,599
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. The bezzling money with his parents, Yeah,

1378
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:40,639
his parents.

1379
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:43,119
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell you that was a sponge. No, we

1380
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,559
we got it. Still ready, your parents did that? There? No,

1381
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,760
just sign this check, mom? Yeah great, Dad? Can you

1382
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,920
give me a bank account number? Great, I'll be back

1383
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:51,360
in and out.

1384
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,039
Speaker 3: It's like this dark twist where Ethan's actually just like abusing.

1385
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:56,840
His parents have like dementia or something. They have no

1386
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,679
idea what's going on. And then he's just he's just

1387
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:00,679
putting them at all in them, bringing all.

1388
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:03,639
Speaker 1: This heat to them and stuff. There's at the wedding

1389
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:06,559
and am missed Apostle three just like shell shocked by

1390
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:08,519
what their son's done to them. You're gonna sit here

1391
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:09,559
and be nice to Michelle.

1392
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:16,519
Speaker 3: Right. Last thing I'll shout out is the character of Max.

1393
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:18,880
I like like the switch around that you're expecting this

1394
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,679
I don't know male character. I guess because because his

1395
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,360
name is Max and just this big criminal mastermind, and

1396
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:27,800
you know, it's not the last time it happens. Of course,

1397
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,440
we get the White Widow later on with the Great

1398
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:33,960
Vanessa Kirby. But I also just love the whole kind

1399
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,440
of riddle messaging that he has to do with just

1400
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:40,360
the Book of Job and like the Bible. You know,

1401
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:45,719
I love a good Da Vinci code type code cracking segment,

1402
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,239
So I appreciate that, and then just how he's able

1403
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,239
to get in touch with her, and then it actually

1404
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,960
is a reoccurrent thing where he's like playing a character

1405
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,400
that he's not actually right, like when he pretends to

1406
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,880
be whatever that character that's meeting the White Widow later

1407
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:02,880
on and they don't really know who it is. Obviously

1408
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,320
Max found out right away that that's not who that is.

1409
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,159
But yeah, I still appreciate all the scenes and I

1410
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:09,039
thought Max was good.

1411
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that actor. She you know, it

1412
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,639
keeps coming up, shout out to She's a recurring character.

1413
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,199
Niptok she's one of our main character's mothers who's just

1414
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:21,599
like a terrible, terrible person. But yeah, her daughters both

1415
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,840
actors as well, Like there's Joey Redgrave, who is the

1416
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,119
person in Niptuck. But then her other daughter was the

1417
01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:32,760
one that was married to leave Nice at one point,

1418
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,599
the one that passed away from the skiing accident when

1419
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:36,679
they were younger and stuff. So they had lots of

1420
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,280
and she was the god what I think she's in

1421
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:43,840
is it parent trap? I think it's I think she's

1422
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,039
the mom and parent trap. I think her daughter was

1423
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:50,320
the mom and parent trap. I think let me just

1424
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,320
confirm this beforehan one. Yeah, let me just you know

1425
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,119
with Dennis Quaid and oh no, I'm kiddo there, I'm

1426
01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:01,480
getting this completely wrong again, having a bad day. Who

1427
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:06,360
the continue tell you talk? I take it all back.

1428
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess seeing Kittridge in here and

1429
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:16,320
comparing Kitchens with all the other types of like squad leaders,

1430
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,320
it's a I'm not like a super big fan of

1431
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,119
him just because of how he just casts go for it.

1432
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: To redeem myself. It was a name changed. Those are

1433
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,079
her daughters, she's read Grave. The other ones are Richardson.

1434
01:05:28,159 --> 01:05:29,519
So there I go, because I was like, I swear

1435
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:32,119
because if you see them, nittok, she's playing the mom

1436
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:34,719
of her actual daughter and they look identical. But I

1437
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,880
was like, there's no way I never found out about

1438
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,760
the Parent Trap thing. Hang on, it is true. That's

1439
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,280
the one from Parent Trap that was merrily amazing. There

1440
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,920
you go, all right, she was a great actress. Too soon.

1441
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:49,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kittridge is just he's not my all time favorite.

1442
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:53,119
I think I like a bald one popping off and fallout.

1443
01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:55,119
Speaker 3: I think he was. He was funny. He popped out

1444
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:55,559
in the other one.

1445
01:05:55,559 --> 01:05:57,199
Speaker 2: I can't remember which one he was, one of the

1446
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,039
Ghost Protocol or the other one.

1447
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,639
Speaker 1: Because they kill him off, right, he killed him off? Yeah,

1448
01:06:01,639 --> 01:06:03,599
because what you got You got him and then you

1449
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:06,880
got Hopkins. Come up, you got Fishburn. I don't remember

1450
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,199
who is both in the Woman Protocol or someone else.

1451
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 3: I don't not remember who's Baldwin. I think answers to

1452
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:18,760
someone else. It's it's our it's our Patreon, right. Jeremy Renner,

1453
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,320
he's the in between.

1454
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,559
Speaker 1: He's like he is, but he's not like the old

1455
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:22,960
guy that.

1456
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 2: Jeremy Renner felt like a cavil kind of character except

1457
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:26,320
didn't turn bad.

1458
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I thought he's like I thought he gets

1459
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,039
promoted like at the end to like that type of.

1460
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: Role like he does. Yes see, he wasn't in to

1461
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:39,360
the Fifth one Alec Baldwin, so I don't know. Yeah,

1462
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,199
because he's in roge Nation and then follow out to

1463
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:43,639
where he dies, so I'll be interested. We watched Ghost

1464
01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:46,840
Protocol to see who was like the the mission person,

1465
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,800
because like Renner is there, but there's always But I

1466
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,280
guess if you think about that movie, like not that

1467
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:53,880
we're trying to get to there right now, but like

1468
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,719
isn't Ethan already kind of like this about the beginning,

1469
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,599
he's like in a prison and stuff like that, like

1470
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,199
he's not really on the map.

1471
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 3: I thought he was under cover.

1472
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:06,559
Speaker 2: Tom Wilkinson, Oh yeah.

1473
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:12,719
Speaker 1: Okay, fucking uh he's uh god not Marone? Who the

1474
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,199
who does John playing the Batman? Who's There's sal for

1475
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,639
to Maroney and forgetting I'm having a bad day. Who's Falcone?

1476
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1477
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,519
Speaker 1: He Falcone? Batman begins right, Yeah, your dad? He begged

1478
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:24,079
like a dog.

1479
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 2: I did not realized he passed away in twenty twenty three.

1480
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: Holy damn it. I forgot about that. Yeah, okay, I

1481
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,440
was gonna say, they asked me some old guy that's

1482
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,559
given him a mission. It always is. And then Angela

1483
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:36,920
Bassett is not for him, but that's Cavil's mission because

1484
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,519
she's like the I don't know, I think she's something American.

1485
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:42,280
But we'll get there. We're gonna get there, you know.

1486
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:49,239
Fun times ahead. Anything else, not twice, Nay, mission's done.

1487
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,159
It was possible. Okay, some trivia. When filming the famous

1488
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:55,239
scene where Tom Cruise drops from the ceiling and hovers

1489
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,400
inches above the ground, cruises head kept hitting the floor

1490
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,159
until he got the idea to put coins and the

1491
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:02,800
shoes were bounced. I hope they didn't do too many takes,

1492
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,159
just like take twenty seven. They're like the fuck. It's like,

1493
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,239
you're kidding me. But yeah, put some coins and shoes

1494
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,119
and I guess that made it work. So there you go. Uh,

1495
01:08:12,199 --> 01:08:15,239
not only in this film, Not only is this the

1496
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,239
film where Ethan doesn't fire a gun, it is the

1497
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,560
only one not to have shootouts or gunfights. So there

1498
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,399
you go. On the franchise, so does the fire gun,

1499
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,199
which kind of makes sense right when you think about it.

1500
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:26,800
Lots of stuff like there's not too.

1501
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 3: Many John Voyd, you know doing the fucking the self

1502
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,800
shot on the gut dude, No, sound like, didn't force

1503
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:35,640
Whitaker there.

1504
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: Save the rebellion, uh trick. He should be one of

1505
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,720
the he should be uh impossible handl our guy. He'd

1506
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,399
be great, Yeah, but as Sagerera though not as.

1507
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: It with the hair like the biggest armor.

1508
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,520
Speaker 1: For some bad times out the reason.

1509
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,520
Speaker 3: To say the galaxy, that's that's the when he goes

1510
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:58,039
into space.

1511
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: That's how fine, right it's gonna and he's it's a

1512
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:06,479
prequel to Star Wars. You must have the most impossible

1513
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,159
mission yet would be.

1514
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 3: The biggest twist in the history of the franchise.

1515
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: Could you imagine? It is that face of Tunker smiling

1516
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:17,000
post and it's like dun d It's like, oh my god, chills.

1517
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,359
The trick with a disappeared where you'repearing CD that Ethan

1518
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,520
Hunt does to full of France Gregor. It's not a

1519
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,039
camera trick or any other visual effect, but a genuine

1520
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:27,359
slight hand. So that's why he's so confused. Talk Cruise

1521
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,319
was legitimately just sucking him up with the magic.

1522
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,520
Speaker 2: They just kept the cameras rolling the scrap. He kept

1523
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,680
looking at the director like what are we doing? Why

1524
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,279
is he smacking me with this ship.

1525
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: Script toms like big leat him. Oh yeah, you didn't

1526
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,119
give me my shoes to eat me taller. I'm gonna

1527
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:48,199
fuck this guy out watch me embarrassing, was like keeping

1528
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:52,720
keep on. Yeah, this is great. Gregor's losing it. I

1529
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:57,279
really like this trivia. Here. Reza Baddie, the person responsible

1530
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:00,399
behind directing more episodes of the original series than anybody.

1531
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,239
It was asked by the head of Paramount to be

1532
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:05,399
present on set for consulting and advising the first an

1533
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,199
set director Ryan A. Palm approached him and told him

1534
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:10,399
how much he enjoyed the original series, but he also

1535
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:12,560
added this movie's gonna be nothing like the television show

1536
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,399
and that his presence on the set would only result

1537
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,399
in making them both uncomfortable. Uh Reza thanked him for

1538
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,680
the honesty and left the set and never returned, which

1539
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,359
I think was probably a good idea. So I like that.

1540
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:23,960
I just went to like, hey love that show, We're

1541
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,159
doing nothing like this. This is just gonna be awkward

1542
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:27,680
to be here, and the guy parents was like, yeah,

1543
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,319
you're probably right, So then could have been like Snewy whatnot,

1544
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:33,399
because like it wasn't his call. It was the paramount

1545
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:35,279
that said like, yeah you go, you go help them out,

1546
01:10:35,319 --> 01:10:37,520
and I like that they just decided like yeah, like

1547
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:39,920
this is not for the like this is not gonna

1548
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,239
be a good working relationship. And clearly it worked out.

1549
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 3: So that's such a great example of like how disconnected

1550
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,880
like executives can be. Yeah, so like this will really

1551
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,199
help out the pro show. And then both like directors

1552
01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:55,039
are like, yeah, no, this is not a good idea

1553
01:10:55,079 --> 01:10:56,119
at all for the quality.

1554
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they probably said like, oh we're doing this,

1555
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,239
this and this, Yeah, it's not like the show and

1556
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:00,720
the came out like and I don't know if he

1557
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,079
got paid or whatnot.

1558
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 3: But I was gonna ask like how would that work, Like,

1559
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:05,159
I know you must.

1560
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: Be getting paid, Like if they sent him to the set,

1561
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,920
he probably got like an EP credit or somewhere or

1562
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,880
something like he's got paid for his time there. Because

1563
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,159
I was like, yeah, sure, I'll help out, but like

1564
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:15,279
I don't want to go there for free. Like dude,

1565
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:17,560
just sitting on the set for three months has given notes.

1566
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,520
While Tom Cruise is getting mad at Craiger.

1567
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:21,600
Speaker 3: He goes up to him smacks them.

1568
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: You see it in the show. We got on in

1569
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,000
a movie now, so I'll get smacked in the head. Actually,

1570
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,760
I got this perfect script for it, Taylor, You're gonna

1571
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,279
get smacked in the head. I'm sorry, but I got

1572
01:11:37,319 --> 01:11:39,199
I came from in a vision to it.

1573
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 3: It's just one of.

1574
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 2: These scenes, isn't that right?

1575
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 3: Hot brother, the the.

1576
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: Disc get it, You've made your points. Stop cut, Let's

1577
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,760
go again Gold because he's a producers like wants keep going.

1578
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,840
Parament Pictures owned the rights of television series and had

1579
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,600
to make a movie or try to make a movie

1580
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,880
for several years, but failed to come up with a

1581
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,640
viable treatment. Tom Cruise had been a big fan of

1582
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,039
the show since he was young and thought it would

1583
01:12:12,039 --> 01:12:14,319
be a good idea to make a movie. Cruise chose Mission,

1584
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:18,239
possibly his first project that his new production company produced,

1585
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:21,520
and convinced the company to put up eighty million. They

1586
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,640
originally wanted to be like twenty to forty million, and

1587
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,800
Tom Cruise, which I guarantee you is good talker of

1588
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,960
the room, got them up like pretty much a whole

1589
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:35,000
like hundred percent, but forty millions great, But like what

1590
01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:38,840
about eighty and they're like, yeah, okay, but yeah, it's

1591
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,520
the first movie he produced, and I'll see his a

1592
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:45,960
lot of cloud over that. So, according to Martin Landau,

1593
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,279
when the brducers in an earlier treatment, the original plan

1594
01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:49,800
was to bring back the entire original cast of the

1595
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,600
television series just to kill them off in the first act.

1596
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,800
Every member of the cast refused to participate, so which

1597
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,279
you know, I'm sure they're like, I don't want to do.

1598
01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:01,119
But in retrospect, that would have been funny. Would have

1599
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:03,960
got payday Like you're not doing anymore. I get it,

1600
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,279
but that could have been fun. Tom Cruise deferred his

1601
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:11,359
twenty million feet for the percentage of the box Yeah,

1602
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,119
defer for the percentage of the box office takings. End

1603
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:16,880
up with a reported seventy million. Not sure what type

1604
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,359
of deals they're getting. If the movie made a box

1605
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:21,720
office of one hundred and eighty and Tom Cruise is

1606
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,079
getting seventy, so like what one hundred and ten million

1607
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:26,079
left over? Like, I'm not sure how it was working

1608
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:28,279
back then. By kudos to Tom Cruise and his lawyer

1609
01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:31,079
for just or agent just having some killer deals right there.

1610
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,520
Let's see here on the scene that takes place in

1611
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,000
a glass walled restaurant and the big lobster tank in

1612
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:40,800
the middle. There are three huge fishtanks over had Tom

1613
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,439
Cruise or the three fish tanks overhead was Tom Cruise idea?

1614
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,439
There were sixteen tons in all the tanks. There was

1615
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,600
a concern when it detonated a lot of the glass

1616
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,159
would fly around. Did Palm will try the sequence with

1617
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:54,960
a stuntman but it did not look convincing. He asked

1618
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,720
crews to do it despite knowing the possibility Cruise could

1619
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,399
have drowned. So I guess they did that and they

1620
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,199
just could not shoot him away where you could not.

1621
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,479
You just always saw the stunt guy and they go

1622
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,840
have Tom do it. But he felt uneasy about it.

1623
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,800
So again, I love when people were just honest to

1624
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,800
paulm said he directed this because you need a commercial

1625
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,159
hit at the time. There you go just just bluntly

1626
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:17,560
like we always talked about two and we're like, oh,

1627
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,520
why is this director doing that? I said, well, just

1628
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,800
need to make some money. This will be a reoccurring

1629
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,800
thing when we talk about this franchise. But there were

1630
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,760
rumors that Tom Cruise and Brian and Opalma did not

1631
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,399
get along. They are more fueled by Brian Opalma, excusing

1632
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,880
himself from last moments schedule media interviews before the movie's

1633
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,680
theatrical release. So and they did ask him back for

1634
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,720
the sequel, but he said no. So I don't know

1635
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,199
if this is could have been that much, but I

1636
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,960
think again, Tom Cruise is not a director, but very

1637
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,960
kind of director minded. Al Pacino, Michael Douglas, and Robert

1638
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,119
Redford will all consider for the part of Jim Feltz,

1639
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:52,439
which made me really want Al Pacino and Tom Cruise

1640
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,479
to do something together. I was like, man, I would

1641
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,680
love to see that pairing. And then here you go

1642
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,760
before Tom Cruise because obviously he went on in his

1643
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,800
production company. It became a whole different beasts. But as

1644
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,000
I said, they are working on the movie for multiple

1645
01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:04,439
years trying to get it going. So I'll give you

1646
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,359
some names here. I guess in the very one of

1647
01:15:07,399 --> 01:15:10,359
the very first versions, Tom or George Clooney was off

1648
01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:12,359
for the role, but he turned it down. Other people

1649
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:17,000
talked about were Bruce Wills, John Travolta, Nicholas Cage, Ralph Fines,

1650
01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:19,720
and Mel Gibson. Out of those ones, in an earlier

1651
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,399
version would have been the same movie. But who do

1652
01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:23,600
you think would have been the best suited there.

1653
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:29,359
Speaker 2: Ralph, Well, Rafe, did.

1654
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:34,319
Speaker 1: I say, Ralph? Oh it's Ray Fines. I'm sorry, Yeah,

1655
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:35,359
what about you, Kirkling.

1656
01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 3: I like the Rafe pick. What was the first one

1657
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:44,239
you said? Not him?

1658
01:15:44,279 --> 01:15:46,119
Speaker 1: Why not Clooney? That's my pick because I feel like

1659
01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:49,399
he's the most swallow, because Bruce Wills is too. He's

1660
01:15:49,399 --> 01:15:51,199
too hard nosed. I think like you can't buy him

1661
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:53,560
as like that type of swallow. Nicholas Cage, as much

1662
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,159
as I would love to see a deep fake of

1663
01:15:55,239 --> 01:15:57,800
him putting all these movies as Ethan Hunt, because that'd

1664
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,199
be a wild think about it. Think about him him

1665
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:02,279
on the side of a plane when it's going and

1666
01:16:02,359 --> 01:16:05,239
Nick Cage acting out like his facials. But again, a

1667
01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:07,199
lot of these people probably woudn't down those stunts, but

1668
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,039
that would have been great. Or like imagine Nick Cage

1669
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:12,199
and Mission Bostle too, and like the sand gun shirt,

1670
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:14,439
like him on a bike he's chewing off the bike.

1671
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,640
But I mean, I think Clooney for me because I

1672
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,119
just Ray find is not a bad one either, but

1673
01:16:19,239 --> 01:16:22,319
he's I guess he's in scream actions serving me, not

1674
01:16:22,399 --> 01:16:26,720
Travolta and Gibson know, I'm happy, so I would be cluing,

1675
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,479
even though we would not get half the stunts we

1676
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:29,680
did with George Clooney.

1677
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,359
Speaker 3: So I feel like Ray finds more of a bond

1678
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,640
than an Ethan hunt for I agree, yeah, And ironically,

1679
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,520
I think I would pick Nick Cage. I feel like

1680
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,840
he's somewhat similar to Tom Cruise with just like the

1681
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,000
sporadic nature of the character sometimes, like I can picture

1682
01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:49,560
Nick Cage smacking Kreeker with the with the tape. You know,

1683
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,119
he might even do that scene better than Tom Cruise did.

1684
01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:55,359
But I'm glad we got Tom Cruise. It's tough to

1685
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:56,279
kind of recast him.

1686
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh tear Field.

1687
01:16:58,399 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: I final rating, Yeah, I think I'm gonna go. I'm

1688
01:17:04,039 --> 01:17:10,000
probably gonna go a six point five out of ten.

1689
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,800
It's a past still and I know I'll probably watch

1690
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,479
it again in the future, but I'm not running to it.

1691
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,399
I'm being generous with that six point five because it's

1692
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,359
it's not one of my favorite mission possibles that exists

1693
01:17:21,399 --> 01:17:23,720
out there. And yeah, that being said, it's it's our

1694
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,760
introduction though to to where we're at now. It's the foundation,

1695
01:17:27,039 --> 01:17:30,399
and it's definitely being called back because we're seeing similarities.

1696
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,319
I'm sure there's a lot more similarities too as we

1697
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:34,000
get through these other movies that'll just kind of call

1698
01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:39,199
back to this, this first film. Yeah, so I'm excited

1699
01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:44,000
to sally Forth, mister Patzer, sally Forth.

1700
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm gonna give this one. I think

1701
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,760
I'm gonna give it an eight point five, pretty darn high.

1702
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,880
I definitely appreciate it. I think on more rewatches of

1703
01:17:55,079 --> 01:17:58,960
just the the more grounded nature, the more simple aspect,

1704
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,359
just to where we get to in Mission Possible. And

1705
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,399
it's not a bad thing, but it's just it's just

1706
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,960
a fun. Yeah, it's just fun to kind of look

1707
01:18:07,039 --> 01:18:10,600
and compare the different eras of Mission Impossible all these

1708
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:16,239
years later, pretty much thirty years later actually, yeah, just

1709
01:18:16,279 --> 01:18:18,760
came out when I was born. I'm approaching thirty, so

1710
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,119
this is a year.

1711
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: Away from it being a thirty year old franchise. And

1712
01:18:22,079 --> 01:18:23,640
then even then, if you want to cheat and count

1713
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,720
the TV show right that ran for many years, it's

1714
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,279
like it's a long eyep.

1715
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, it's it's actually bigger than I really

1716
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,000
thought about because I kind of forgot about the TV show.

1717
01:18:34,079 --> 01:18:37,479
But no, yeah, it's Tom Cruise is still like a

1718
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,600
really good lead even all the way back here, and yeah, no,

1719
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,039
I really appreciate this film and it's a good uh,

1720
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:46,800
it's a good one to start the retaurant. It's gonna

1721
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,960
be it's gonna be a fun journey, especially jumping into

1722
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:49,359
two here.

1723
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that'll be good. That'll be next. But yeah,

1724
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,640
I'm just a little bit above Kirkling at nine, I said,

1725
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,000
my only big thing or like CON's where the third

1726
01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:58,960
act and then some characters if we talk on the middle.

1727
01:18:59,039 --> 01:19:03,920
But yeah, I love just the just the depths these

1728
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,359
people go to to trying to out trick one another,

1729
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,000
and I love the drama. But I love that's all

1730
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:12,359
for the most part played seriously, you know, taking a

1731
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,680
side like our joke about the rama on the head

1732
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,560
and everything. It is a serious scene of him like

1733
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,520
bitch him out because like he's a trader, right, like

1734
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,760
he should kind of bitch him out because like this

1735
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,840
guy is no good and everything right. So I love

1736
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,760
the drama. I love how serious it's taken. I love

1737
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,840
the camera angles and the shots scores good. Yeah, and

1738
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,239
it just has like a great cold vibe to it,

1739
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:35,119
which I love. I love as I said, a good

1740
01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:38,479
spy versus spy and this is that, and uh yeah, cruises,

1741
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,840
the cruises the bomb here. It's fantastic to see him

1742
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,840
in this movie. So yeah, it's a good setting pace.

1743
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,680
I think this one, I don't know when I'll rewatch it,

1744
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,880
because like I feel, after I rewatch these, i'll be

1745
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:54,000
good to. I don't have the same way with some franchise,

1746
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,640
where this one I think it is a pick and choose.

1747
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,319
I'm fine not to. We're doing this for the retro,

1748
01:19:57,399 --> 01:19:59,000
but I'm fine, like, oh, I'll watch this one and

1749
01:19:59,079 --> 01:20:01,960
then this one, because other than these last few ones,

1750
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,239
they're not a falling, continuing story, right like I do

1751
01:20:04,359 --> 01:20:05,760
that with Bond. There are times where like, oh, I

1752
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,479
watched the whole Craigar, but there's many times I just

1753
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,880
watch GoldenEye and I don't need to watch the other

1754
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:11,840
Pierce ones, right because they're kind of iffy. And that's

1755
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,520
something here where I think I gotta be in the

1756
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,239
specific mood for this, Even watching it two years apart,

1757
01:20:16,319 --> 01:20:18,039
I don't know if I would have done if I

1758
01:20:18,119 --> 01:20:19,960
would have other than because the retro and I thought

1759
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,800
we were doing it, but I still really enjoy I

1760
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,399
think it's a well made movie, so yeah, next we're

1761
01:20:24,399 --> 01:20:26,520
talking about Mission Possible too, which yeah, I think is

1762
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,439
going to be an interesting conversation. So until next time

1763
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:32,359
it'll not be boring. My