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Speaker 2: Am the Male Kirkling, Pats the Holy Bible, Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, Lee, Jomn. This is a long one in the
working because I can't remember when we announced it, but
they at some point had said that the Dead Reckoning
Part one was like the last one, and then like, oh,
while we're splitting it. But then I remember we started
to watch at least I did. I'm not sure how
far you guys go up, but I started to watch
it because this was planned for twenty twenty three. But
then they said, yeah, it's actually gonna be fine, like
it's gonna be a two parter, and then they also
then kicked the two parts like like now to twenty
twenty five. So it's one of those things where we
had in the works and then now it's here. Finally
we were about to talk about it, and uh, yeah,
this is a Patreon exclusive, so I think everyone that
does suscribe and support the channel, then this is gonna
be fun. We're gonna do all them except for Dead
Reckoning Part one because we just reviewed that and we
usually you know, we've got the good audio or it's
within the fire feeds. We usually don't re review a movie.
We will re release that of course. But yeah, and
then at the end this we'll do a rankings. We'll
do best scenes, best movies, best films. I thought a
good one have is the best teams each movie we rank,
you know, the the union stuff, because they always are changing.
I think obviously maybe near the back half there might
be a little more just Samesy, but there's always like
a new member.
Speaker 3: You know, like us there for sure. Yeah, he's on
everyone's team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's only one movie where he's not a team.
Do you know what that is?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Ghost protocol?
Speaker 1: Taylor's correct. Yeah, he like, I'm not sure if there's
a money issh, we'll get there. But he like pops
in the last two minutes, He's like, that's a fucking
crazy story, Ethan, and then he like walks away, like
Ethan just tells him the whole movie. That's it. It's
just like where did it have been? Rings go? But
is Luther here? I don't know? Is he on the team?
I know? But yeah, rankings episode after we get the
final reckoning, which we'll have to do a mini predictions
on the last episode of Newscast. I want to get
I want a record if Smiling Tom cruis gonna be
dying in this franchise. But as right now, I'm gonna
assume that they're gonna either be done or take a
break for a while. Who knows, they'll make a billion
dollars and then they'll make it like Rebirth Wrecking or
something like that. But we're here tair Field. What was
the first time? What's just your history of Mission Possible overall?
You don't you need to review the other films, and
then when was the first time you saw this movie
unless it was this time, and what are your thoughts
about it? On twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2: I didn't see this first Mission Possible, probably until well
after we got well on, probably like I five came out.
This is just one that snuck by me. I'll talk
more when we get to Mission Possible too, because that's
where it started for me. That was the first one,
and I remember it was my experience my dad. I
don't know if it was my dad or me, but
there was a rotation of VHS tapes at his place
that I would just play. I'd be PC gaming back
when I was in like high school, like at late
elementary school and I go to his place, I'd always
be watching a movie while I'm playing, like Rainbow six
Vegas and that sort of stuff. So this is one
of those movies in rotation. It was Alien Resurrection, it
was the original Ninja Turtles, and then it was Mission
Possible too, sorry, not this movie. So that's my introduction
was coming in at that second one, and that's why
that's why I kind of started to take a liking
to this franchise. And I think when you look at
like this one and the next one and then the
third one, they're very differently filmed, the way they're cut
up and spliced, and it's funny how as we go
through this retro it's just gonna be, like I find
they're trying to find their footing. When I finally went
and saw this one for the first time, thought this
is obviously like I said, it feels very different from
the other ones, the later iterations, which feel much more
cohesive and mapped out.
Speaker 3: This one.
Speaker 2: I get so bored watching this one, and it's not
one that I like to revisit. There are other Mission
Impossibles I would prefer to go to over this one,
and I watched this one. I think man, I don't
know how. I don't know the numbers. I don't know
what it did at the box office. I don't know
what its budget is. But I don't really know unless
it was a huge hit at the time, how it
managed to just get some get some infin run forward
as well as it did to warrant like six seven sequels.
Speaker 1: Well, I did have a trier because me I started
doing this in trivia now is incorporate the box office,
especially for these older movies, because I always liked, what
did it do? Because I had that thought. So it
was number three at the worldwide box office the year
came out. It's kind of here's a crazy number, just awesoly.
It's inflation times changed number three at one hundred and
eighty million, So like the biggest movie in the world
third has just made one hundred and eight million. Where now
it's like if we draft that, we're like, look at
this fucking movie. Only give me one hundred eighty million.
You know. It was just behind Twister, which was number two,
and then the number one movie of that what was
this nineteen ninety nine, six ninety six thin Key was
Independence Day and then yeah, so big Juice year and
then funny just below that four was Jerry Maguire. So
Tomkers said the number three and number four move that year.
So ninety six was a good year. And don't forget
this was a TV show as well.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think, yeah, there's way earlier, way earlier. Yeah,
but I think there's still like that generation and hadn't
obviously died out yet. And then Brian de Palma was
like a big director. He directed Scary, he directed Carrie,
he directed Scarface, The Untouchables, one of my favorite Colleidle's
Way Mission of Mars. Have you seen that one, Terre?
I feel like that's up your alley. It's a fucking
weird movie. I watched it last year. It was one
of those movies that I had only seen one scene
and for my whole life, I was trying to figure
it out. And I saw it on Disney Plus. I
was like, oh, fuck, this is the one. So because
there's a scene where Tim Robbins takes his helmet off
in space and that was burned in my mind for
decades and I finally found it. The movie. Yeah, don
Cheetle's in there. Yeah, movie not great, It's fucking really weird.
But I have one more movie on my list I've
not found. There's one movie I found a couple of
years ago about a woman possessioning people and like having
sex with him. I found that there's this other one
where there's a guy and like, I don't know what
it is. It's a it's like a guy's renting out
a cabin. Like he's like more like a redneck and
everything like that. And it's a young couple and he's like, oh, yeah,
around this area, there's a killer and he tells the
story and he's like talking about how this guy kills people.
The guy, of course it rents out the cabin, is
the killer, but the husband kind of knows. I think
he brought the wife there to die or like to
get killed. But I cannot find this movie for the
fucking life of me. And you know why, because it's
probably bad, just like the last two movies where I'm like,
what's this movie and I find I'm like, oh, there's
a reason why this doesn't get talked about. But there's
my uh depoma side note there.
Speaker 3: Some things should just remain hidden, you know, like Joman
g bad movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I guess to remember it's Tom Cruise too.
This is Tom Cruise when he's starting to become a
big name, right, So it's like, yeah, like it has
a lot going for it.
Speaker 3: So it does.
Speaker 2: And like I like his leader in interpretations of this
character Ethan Hunt, than I do in this one. And
just being so cocky, I mean it is talking was.
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six, which I feel like was a
starring once. This is ten years later. So think about
it's like Top Gun plus ten years more of Tom Cruise,
so he's like he's a movie star now, you know.
Speaker 2: And I will say I think with these films, to
each one that comes out, I think it really does
a better job at kind of taking advantage of the
times and just what that audience likes. And I think
that's why again these first three movies, you really see
a very different type of film the way it's cut up. Yeah,
every time one releases.
Speaker 1: So I had to get the date on Top Gun,
so I searched Top Gun. Look at this picture they
have for the AI generated talk on three trailer. I
promise you Tom Cruise ain't give me a looking that
old when they do Top Gun three. He's not gonna
let his hair.
Speaker 2: They're not letting old people like that fly these fighter jets.
Speaker 3: I can tell, oh no, come on.
Speaker 1: Well, even in real life, he's not like Tom Cruise
is past the age where they would legally let you
fly like do that type of combat. They would not
allow it because it's just certain things with your body.
So I just laugh when I saw that, AI, just
CLINTI with Tom Cruise Tongker three, It's like.
Speaker 3: And that's people are falling for it.
Speaker 1: The day was twenty twenty seven. It's like in two years,
Tom Cruise looking like that, Like, no, it looks good that. Yeah,
that's the problem. AI. We've talked about in our group chat.
It's gonna be the new Facebook photoshop. I thought you're
gonna I'm curious moment there. Yeah, like the yeah, I
got Kirkland like it sounds good. But Kirkland, did this
movie get you same thing? What's your history with that
Mission Impossible? And this? Did this where you start? Did
you see this recently? What's what's your story? Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely saw this movie way back in the day,
and I feel like in retrospect, looking back on just
my history of Mission Impossible, I loved like maybe the
concept so much more than like the actual movies, if
that makes any sense, because I I think back in
the day, I probably had only seen like the one
Mission Impossible movie and then just the idea of this
this man or maybe like a small group just doing
these impossible missions with like an iconic theme song Tom
Cruise attached to it. Like I just like that was
my Mission Impossible mindset, not so much like secting the
individual movies, because I definitely have seen well all of
them now, but like back then, I feel like I
had only seen the first one and then like like
didn't watch the second one right away, maybe maybe like
eventually on VHS. The third one was like the first
one that I feel like I really rewatched and like
that was like yeah, damn Mission Impossibles like this this
is juicy here, so yeah, and not really like the
movies that I would be rewatching like as I as
I was growing up, I just kind of saw like
the odd one when they when they were coming out,
not not just catching up every time like a new
one would come out. But yeah, no, I I just yeah,
I think look back on it, I liked the idea
of them a lot more than what the movies were.
I rewatched the first two. I think, like what you did, Travis,
like back in twenty twenty three, I just like started
going through them, maybe even just leading up to the movie,
but for some reason, I just like stopped at two.
I might have started the third movie. I think what
happened was I a paramount plus subscribed and then it
just like ended before I got through them all, so
I couldn't fully make it through. And then just recently,
because I was just I was getting excited for Mission
I Possible, I watched Fallout and then I did Reckoning
back to back. So yeah, no, I mostly just I
throw these on when I'm just just looking for a
nice action movie, you know, I'm usually when I'm doing
chores around the house, fold and laundry. I just I
like to throw on an action movie, whatever it is.
And yeah, sometimes it's Mission Impossible.
Speaker 2: And this came out born the euro.
Speaker 3: Was born, so I guess I got some history there.
That's that's a big deal. But yeah, no, just in
looking at this movie alone, I still really appreciate it.
But it is interesting to just look at how far
we've come in the mission I possible franchise, This movie
is like very simple compared to just some of the
aspects that were tackling nowadays. Even just like the last
few mission Impossibles, this one, it's funny. It feels like
it's not really about an impossible mission. It's about like
the guy Ethan hunt and just like like him being
a fugitive. I guess it's kind of a you know,
it happens a couple of different times throughout the franchise,
but but this one in particular, it just feels like
it's not just about like a big mission. He does
have a mission. I don't don't know, I'll detail it
when we get in there, but some really great moments
still definitely dated, but I can still really appreciate this
film just for yeah, the things that they do and yeah,
just just looking back on how they would do these
these action shots. But it's it's weird to like look at, like,
you know, a movie that came out of the year
I was born, and how much it's dated. But like, fuck,
I must be getting dated just just looking at these.
Even even when we get into the second one, I
would argue there's things in the second movie that age
worse than in this one, so I think, yeah, I'm
just able to really appreciate the the downscaled aspect to
what this movie is and.
Speaker 1: Didn't leve all those Dutch angles are popping off within
the servie lots.
Speaker 3: Of yeah, like quick zooms and stuff. It's it's some
fun stuff.
Speaker 1: But they brought it back to Dead Reckoning though, because
they do it because that Kittridge is back, right, so
they kind of do some tributes there, but it's not Uh,
I definitely fully forgot he's back. Yeah, he's there, so
a circle. I don't think he died in the Dead Reckoning,
right because I haven't seen that since the theater. He survived, right,
so he's still you know, which that's kind of a
funny juxtaposition now with his character, right because he goes
from the oh Tom Cruise is guilty to like he's
on his side the end and now looks like he's
just guilty, like he's a bad guy. You know. Lots
changed in a decade and a half and whatnot. But yeah,
I think I have a similar tales Kirkling where I
feel like I don't remember specifically seeing these two at
a specific date or time, didn't like watch with my
dad or anything like that, just like they're on TV
or watch. But at some point I think I watched
even when I watched them from Mission Possible three, because
I did rewatch those ones. They just didn't stick with
me three and we'll wait till get there. That's where
my love for the franchise happens, like okay, now I'm
now I'm in. Then goes protocol falled up, like okay,
we got this going on. But that's why it's such
an interesting franchise because it is you know, I have
some trivia about that. There's sometimes I kind of miss
it a little bit because that was Cruise's goal originally
that he always want a different director so they'd always
feel different because the TV show was like that, where
now it's like they got Quistrapher McCrory, they're great. It's
it's tough, right because they're all great, and maybe you
swap them on, you get some lesser ones. But there's
something where it's like that there is something fun about oh,
a new person tackling it and what type of tones
are gonna bring to it. So that's why it's funny
where I feel like there's like how because how many
are there now? Is there eight films now?
Speaker 3: I think right, like I went to the last one
to hear is dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I feel like you can really divide the
eras like one to four that is the director's I
won't say vision because I have some notes about that.
It's Tom Cruise's vision still, but more like, hey, we're
bringing someone into their spice, and then five to eight
is really the like, hey, this is the McCarey era
and it's all gonna line up. It feels almost similar
to like Daniel Craig's Bond, right, like all the Bonds before.
We're different, like a different director, not the same continuity.
Where when Daniel Craig came in it was like yeah,
from Casino to No Time to Die. This is a
full on story, right, So it's interesting the way it swapped,
and I think this kind of that's maybe a Brent
But in the future, I feel like, and I'm wondering
what's gonna happen with Bond. I wonder if that's something
they feel nowadays the audiences won't want to be a part,
like if it's not a grander story, like people blame
me MCU but you look at Bond, like and now
Mission Impossible, Like would people tune out to Mission Possible?
Or I said, tune in and bond if they were
just the one off ventures like they were back in
the nineties and stuff like. I don't know, because I
just feel like the franchises we talk about retro there's
less of that, Like is a franchise right now that's
just coming in and doing one offs, Like just like, oh,
here's this story through more years, here's another story. They're
always connected, I feel right like I'm trying to think, see, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they want to be connected, so we'll table that. Maybe
that's a good discussion to go down. And just like
the way people's interests have change. But yeah, So I
had watched this one thought was fine throughout. It was
when I rewatched it twenty twenty three the first time
I felt like I actually loved this movie, especially because
I've seen them all and the way how different is
I love that it is just this People can use
the word spy thriller, but like think about something like
Brave New World, right, They're like, oh, this is a
spy throat. It's like, yeah, all right, sure it is.
It's like but it's like the lowest degree of that.
This is like, no, this is espionage. This is spy
versus spy, like who's doing what? And it's difficult because
we've seen so much so we know, Okay, clearly it's
not Tom Cruise and everything like that, but like I'm
pretty certain, I can't. I don't was even hunted character
in the TV show. He must have been, right TV show,
Let's see.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the TV show?
Speaker 1: No, And I don't know if he actually was. To
be honest, there's one character from the TV show in this,
the John Voite character, So of course I turned him,
but I don't think he was. So that's where it's like,
not that at any point what I thought, Okay, Tom
Cruise is gonna be the bad guy or anything like that.
But I love the cad mouse of everything. Yeah, no,
James Phillips, so what the main character mission? I possible
that's when they turned bad. Oh my god. The fans
must have fucking loved that of the show, Like you
kidding me, he's a trainer. But no, I love the
pacing of it. It is a little bit slower. I
love the idea of like what you're talking about Curry
want the mission, but it's weird we kind of coming
on like the back, like we come at the end
like the mission, the impossible mission is done, but then
it's like the bad stuff happens after. And I love
the fallout of that. I'll no pun intended. I love
how Tom Cruise trying to manure stuff. I love just
the realistic political side of stuff, like hey, you better
come in. He's like no, And then you see on
the news like his parents are getting arrested. You're like,
holy fuck, Like it's very realistic stuff happening, where nowadays
not as much. That's one of my other complaints to
the franchise where I hate in every movie Ethan Hunt
is a fucking call the what are they disavowed? Disavowed? Right,
And it's just like for no re like really no reason, right,
But this one, to me makes sense of he's on
a mission. Entire teams dies, and in this movie, Kitchrich
is a good guy, right, Like he is like a
straight guy. He's not bad. He's worked for the mission
Impossible unit, so it's like from his point of view
that you know there's a mole. The entire team's dead,
and Tom cruise is the only one left. And that's
where it's like, oh, this movie actually makes sense why
you would think this guy is the mole where other
times it's like his entire team's alive. Like it's like
six times over he saved the world and this isn't
even like a world save one. This feels like a
great first It's not his first mission obviously, but for
us a first mission out there. I love the climbing
of how all the team starts to go off, Like
the first time watching this, it's like, man like, it
was a shock was gonna go down this route because
I just said, oh, it's the team and here we are,
so no. I love this way. I love the pacing,
I love the cadmill schemes. As I said, I think
Where I Fall Apart is the third act. This movie
does not belong to this movie whatsoever. It's this very
i'd say, pretty realistic, like spy thriller, until you have
a helicopter chasing a train like it's out of nowhere,
Like it's all dialogue driven, and even the action scenes
like they're like a guy puts his hand through a
fence and stabs somebody and then walks away right, Like
it's not like nowadays where Tom cruises on a fucking
helicopter dangling or he's like trying to hold his breath
for ten minutes. This is very like most of stuff
other than the third act feels like, hey, this could
happen in real life, even though like maybe the gum
bomb or whatever, it's like, Okay, I can buy that
little high tech gadget. But the third act for me,
that just just like one it doesn't look great, like
we weren't the world nineteen ninety six was not ready
for a train fight, and it's just it just doesn't
fit at all like it. It feels like it should
be way smaller. I get that you probably wanted to
end something. And I talked to uh Scott, you know
who's done our trivia bats and we've been a bod
cou story with him. He's seen a bit of the
TV show and he just said like it was pretty
much you know, stayed true to the time, so they didn't.
I was wondering, like, oh, in the show, did they
have to have these big action endings? And they always didn't.
So this just feels like, I guess because it's a movie,
like oh, we got to go all out. So other
than the ending, I don't have many problems that I
do get why, Like Haylry is saying it's a bit slower,
I do understand that. But any day of the week
minors sports watched this over m I two with all
the action Like M I two, I feel dumb watching
sometimes or this is like, oh, like this feels like
people are crafting something and it feels like you could
see everything from point A to point B. And I
like all the actors got Emeliaesaviz, got John Voyd, he's
perfect cast is like a quotations good guy and everything.
Oh god, who's the guy from the professional I can't.
Speaker 3: Remember Reno or Jean Reno or something jo yeah, and
then then names some reason. Every time with this guy,
I just picture Maddy SAgs. It must be the French
aspect to it.
Speaker 1: But uckly, Mattie's got a better set of hair than Yeah,
absolutely John over here. So Maddy take care of those locks.
But yeah, let's let's go and start the mission. So yeah,
they're looking for this knocklisting. They get it all seeming well,
they get their their mission statements, they're out there, starts
with Amelia Estaviz getting fucking skewered by the hell you
hear me, you hear me, He's gone. That happens. We
got one girl blown up in a car, Claire who
supposedly gets stabbed or something. John Voyd gets shot, which
I do love when they show how he did it,
just like how the gun on himself and he has
the blood packet he found the water too, Like fuck man,
that's like what he's doing. Then there, but that's what happens.
They complete the mission and which is such a weird
way for the first movie. This feels like you would
do a sequel that way right where it's like the
first movie is you do a mission point A to
point B and it's successful. That's the other movie, and
then the second one you subvert expectations, do the mission
in the beginning and then like oh my god, like
we want it's funny when we get damn my three
Like they do that a couple of times too. But uh, yeah,
what do you guys think about this out Ethan just
losing an entire teams very traumatic, uh fifteen minutes for
Ethan Hunt.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I I really love the opening to this movie,
especially the more I watch it because I I feel
like I'm just able to appreciate the fact that every
Mission Impossible movie, including this one, it's the Tom Cruise Show,
but this one, like, yeah, the first mission, it's it's
Jim Phelps, you know, like like like he is the
guy getting the message. He's the one that's like kind
of choosing his team, and then Ethan Hunt is just
kind of like his main point man. And then and
then we jump into it and like again Jim's like
giving them the mission statement. You get some you get
some young Tom Cruise with just being just being a
little goofball and then dropping some one liners here, and
it just seems kind of like lighthearted in that aspect,
I think, because it's always Tom that's awful. I guess
not Tom ethan On on the Run. He's always ex communicado, uh, disavowed,
So he's always just like approaching from the shadows, giving
like whoever, like like the mission, this is what we're
gonna be doing. And it was just like a nice
turn of that. I feel like that like a nice
little spin. So yeah, I'm just able to appreciate the
fact that Tom's just like kind of a soldier and
not like the main guy. And then of course everything
goes to ship. Everything's just like like like he's so
on edge and like like just looking over his shoulder
for like basically the rest of the movie. So yeah,
it's just it's just a really nice, like different spin,
I think than the other mission Impossibles. And I feel
like this one in particular over all the other ones
for me, just just makes me feel like a novel,
like like like it's like this is a movie taken
from from a book, just with all like the mole
aspect and trying to figure that out. So yeah, no,
I I really really like the opening mission. But r
I p Amelia because I remember years ago and I
rewatched this. I'm like, man, I forgot he's in here.
This is gonna be Yeah, he's gonna be in that.
That Ben Rains no what's his name, Simon Benny's character, Yeah,
Benny in that type of role. But no, he does
not last long at all.
Speaker 1: John Voyd just fucking hidden his kill button, you know.
Speaker 3: It's like a resident evil or like a final destination
type kill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what before Taylor goes on that, That's
what I forget, say, my opening It's one of these
things that, yeah, there, you know, we talk all the time.
I'll have some trivia about it. Tom Cruise different type
of cat, but as a film like guy movie star
top echelon, right. And that's one thing I love about
this movie is I feel like some of the Mission
Possible movies because he's doing the stunts, he doesn't get
to act as much. There's a couple in the middle
when we get to where it's just like, it's Tom
Cruise face being cool for this. I think you're seeing
Tom Cruise the dramatic actor the most, probably in this movie.
Maybe maybe when we get to some other ones I
maybe particularly three, and then another one maybe in Dead Reckoning.
Obviously we lost a character there, but I feel like
this is still Tom Cruise, the dramatic Oscar nominated actor,
and man, he's just he's still fucking good in all
these And I later on have some trivia of some
other people they talk to. So I'm excited to get
your thoughts on who would have done that? But Taylor,
you see the movie is a little so plate paced,
So how is the beginning when you know whole team's
fighting it?
Speaker 2: Enjoy I will say like out of all the movies, Uh,
this death is definitely the most brutalist.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely.
Speaker 1: It's kind of jarring to see in Mission Impossible like
that is like movies that are rated. But that's closest
as it gets. That's one thing about this movie. It's
definitely I bet, I bet, I feel like it's the
most grittiest out of all the eight. I don't think
any of them feel like this, So.
Speaker 2: I'd say, like closest one to that, And like m
I three with like the bomb and the brain thing,
that was pretty yeah, true brutal, but yeah, this one's
just like that was like this is like a saw
trap coming down like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: They show it. You know, they could have cut like
like a fraction earlier, but it's no. You see the
insert They cut a fraction after but yeah, the how do.
Speaker 1: You clean that up to who's the who's the cop?
Speaker 3: Or like oh fuck, like he's still there?
Speaker 1: Yea, they just left them.
Speaker 3: They service the elevators every year, so it'll be like
know eight months later, Well, just.
Speaker 1: Like one, you gotta gets bought out there. Two there's
blood like dripping on the elevator down below, like that
cleanup job has to be awful.
Speaker 3: So sidebar, it's the whole intro.
Speaker 2: I think there it's it's fun because it's Okay, we're
getting into the mission, I possible kind of mission here
and all that the impossible thing, and I mean the
team does it very very well. But then yeah, things
kind of go sideways, and John Voyd's looking sus as
fuck with him just being on the like he's casually
like I can't do anything about the elevator and Estevez
freaking out the power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, power, cut the power. What did he say? His
name is Jack?
Speaker 2: Right, cut the power. Jack. It's like, you're way too
calm about this, mister Voight. But I just I lose
it afterwards because I feel like, Okay, we're in Prague
for too long, and then we get Kittridge in there,
and I don't know, maybe I'm probably just spoiled because
we have the other mission impossibles that are out and
so going back to this one, it just doesn't fit
for me very well or work very well. And that's
my own fault, my own problem.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just once we get past this, I the
only real highlight is just when they try to go
get the knock list. I think that's that's really an
awesome sequence. But then even after that, like the last
epic scene is just I'm not engaged with these these missions.
Speaker 3: And while the team is interesting.
Speaker 1: Engaged, the team dying, that's not even some fun.
Speaker 3: At the start. No, No, I'm not. I'm really just.
Speaker 1: Like Homeland or just watching all these Humans stuff. Are
you watching email? Aspets gets skewed and he feels nothing
for him, you know, it's it's it's it's super shitty,
but like it's just I don't know, like I don't
I don't have that connection with these characters.
Speaker 3: And then it's just the way the characters.
Speaker 2: Keep popping up one by one, it's getting super sus
And then honestly, and this is just again my own
lack of proper insight on on this story, because I
feel like, Okay, so someone this whole mission was set
up to houset a mole and the IEM, and that
mole was trying to sell a knocklist to this buyer,
and this buyer was gonna settle off to whatever, and
this person was gonna make tons of money. Uh, and
that person was John Voy, But I still get kind
of convoluted on how everything goes down, because why does
it come down to Ethan trying to actually steal the
real knocklist and actually put himself on the line, Like
it just there's certain motivations, certain things.
Speaker 1: Get it from the he wants to get it from
the enemies, trying to get the knocklist now, right.
Speaker 2: Like he goes in and actually gets the knockolist himself, but.
Speaker 1: I think he knows because it's classic Ethan right, where
a mission impossible. They say, hey, we need to do
a mission, but we need you to specifically do it
this way, and Ethan Hunts like, well, no, I'm not
gonna do it that way, and that's why they disavow
and right because like, oh he's a bad guy. But
that's the same thing here where he's been told, Okay,
there's a mole they're going to do this. And I
think the idea is if that knocklist gets out and
they don't know who got it out there, they're just
gonna assume, Like it's a bad thing for them to assume,
but they're just gonna assume that it's Ethan Hunt that
put the list out, where if he gets the actual list,
he can go no, like I'm not a fucking mole.
I'm not the bad guy. Here's your list. I'm giving
it right to you.
Speaker 2: So it's like, doesn't make they didn't have the list
because the list I think was only a couple of names,
but like there's only half a list that was housted
at the beginning.
Speaker 3: But then what happened is going for the full list though.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I just feel well.
Speaker 2: I feel like he could have just change the dynamic
and stop them at buffed up security, help the IMF,
Like put.
Speaker 1: Okay, then you should say he should help the IMF,
but he's always running away from them to.
Speaker 2: Do But then he trusted him and John Boyd's wife
popping up too and all that, and like the weird
sexual tension there, like there's there's so much going on,
Like I I just hate it too. When he has
this call with Kittridge and then he like hangs up,
and then this guy in a trench coach just turns hi, Ethan,
this is the susst fucking thing of all time.
Speaker 1: But Ethan knows that, remember he already knows it.
Speaker 2: Not yet, not yet, because he listens, He's like, oh
thank god, you're alive. So we're doing and then after
a few seconds goes by, then you start getting the
scenes of him like realized.
Speaker 1: Like why'd you do it?
Speaker 3: Why'd you do it?
Speaker 1: Jim?
Speaker 3: Like he was lying it.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was, because earlier this is how
I don't think. So before it's revealed that John Voyd's alive,
he reads that book and it says Drake Hotel and
like zooms on on Tom Cruise like Drake Hotel and
it's John Boyd's voice saying that. So he to me
figures it out right.
Speaker 2: There, and I figured that was I figured that was
him realizing that John Voight was giving him like kind
of even though he died at this point, it was
kind of still like oh here, I know you'd find
this like keep going, keep going, Like I don't know,
I just felt weird.
Speaker 1: What do you Seecret? How do you How did you
read that scene there? Because I feel like even the
way Cruise plays him when they're talking, he's trying to
still get more information. But it could be the way
that yeah, he's just figuring out, like.
Speaker 3: When he finds him in London, Is that what you
guys are?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like when they're having lunch. Does Cruise have any
idea at that point that Jim is a bad guy?
Speaker 3: I think yes. I think it's an interesting way to
show that scene too, because it shows Jim's like what
he's telling Ethan, like this is what happened, But then
they're also showing the scenes of like what actually happened.
So I feel like, initially I take it as like, okay,
Ethan's believing him, but then they're just telling us the
viewer here, more information than what Ethan would know to
just kind of like yeah, switch it from us just
following Ethan's perspective and only knowing what he knows, and
then going into kind of like the final showdown, we
know what Ethan doesn't, but then it's also revealed that
he actually did have suspicions beforehand, even later on when
they have like the final showdown on the on the train,
like that's when that he it revealed that he knew
even before the London meeting that you should know about Claire.
So yeah, I mean, yeah, they don't say it in
like the cleanest way of like why Ethan would have
had suspicions beforehand. I feel like even just the way
that his body language and like everything earlier on, he
just he just seems like he's so out of his
element in a certain sense of like my whole team
is is dead, I'm I'm a fugitive now, like just yeah,
just there's worst case scenario. So it's a little bit
inconsistent the way that they do cover that, But I
do believe that for the most part, just because like
the way he's so calm and cool, like at the end,
just dealing with Jim and Claire and all those things.
It's it's a little bit interesting how like they put
so much emphasis on like, Okay, it's one thing Jim
to betray him, but Claire, man, like that was like
that that was the nail on the coffin. Yeah. Yeah,
like they really like set it up as if it
is this like long forbidden love thing that he's just
always had for Claire. But I don't know, it's a
little bit strange there. But yeah, they also just like
I guess explain, Ethan's just a badass and he just
knew all along, you know, He's just he's just that good.
Speaker 2: He just he figures out all all these ten ceps ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Clay things interesting because that to me is
a weak point of I think they are trying to
do that. There is some forbidden love, but the way
either it's ridden or might be the actress, Like it
feels like it's like Jim's just misreading the situation, Like
I don't even know. I think in the script it
is like these two love each other, but the way
it's portrayed on screen, like it looks like like man
like they're not doing anything, like you pair them together
to be a couple on the mission, they have to
dance and like pretend they're kissing even when Jim's dead.
There's not like a scene when they kiss or like
obviously she knows he's not dead. But it's like look
at Talia Ghoul and fucking Dark Knight rises. She still
fucks Bruce Wayne. There's no reason for it too, but
it's like, well, I gotta keep my cover up, right.
She like she doesn't have sex with Ethan. They don't
kiss nothing, They don't talk about running away together like
being like oh fine, like it like it's still like, oh,
I'm so sorry about Jim, Like it's it's a weird.
It feels like he's jealous, But then in the end
train scene it does feel like Ethan cares for so
I feel like that's not the greatest They're supposed to
be leam ambiguous, and I don't know was it worth
it for the turn just to do the turn then
like immediately just kill her off like the second that dramas,
They're like, oh, we got more drama. Ethan knows she's bad,
What's what could be this conversation? What could go down here? Now?
John Waite just fucking caps her and well she's gone.
It's like okay. Like that, that is like a messy
part of the movie that never hits for me too much,
which I hadn't trivia that they base that character off
of ves Blin from the Casino Ryal book. So there
you go, and even look wise, you can see oh yeah,
I can see like definitely Eve agreeing there. But yeah,
that I'd say that's probably, next to the the train sequence,
the weakest part of the film for me. It's this
weird triangle.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Even even earlier on, like right after the mission
go Sideways, Ethan goes back to the safe house, which
I don't understand why they were just so like trusting
of that safe house, Like I imagine I am f
would have known about that, but they just keep going
back to it, even after his meeting with Kitchers. But whatever,
it's a minor thing. When Claire shows up and he's
tripping out seeing John Void coming at him all bloody.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what were you?
Speaker 3: I need to do? And then and then I'm like
he's like super suss of Claire to the point he
gets like a little bit a little bit too handsy
with her. You know, he's trying to look for a
wire or something on her, but he's like hold her
down to the bed, and it's just like a really
strange scene. He's like face to face with her.
Speaker 1: It's like the start of a poet. Hold the wire, no, don't.
Then she grabs his cock like do you like breathing?
Speaker 3: Like really yeah, He's like he's like lifting up her shirt.
But it just seems like he just sees her as
like an enemy. It's like I can't trust you no
matter what. So to go from that until later on
he's like doing all this extra work to try and
like find out if she's actually like against him. It
just seems a little bit of stretch, but not really
something that's that big of like a knock against the film.
I think it's just something I kind of noticed on
this rewatch. I'm like, this is kind of interesting, how
just yeah, Like the whole gym Ethan Claire triage is
strange to begin with, but I think I was just
dissecting a little bit more of the details this watch around.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I did like that with that cod situation,
Like I don't know if I ever bought I don't
know remember the first time. I like it, but I
feel like it's smart in movies when you kill off
a character and you're gonna have them back to do
a dream sequence or a hallucination because you, to me
by that that character is not coming back. You're like, well,
if they're here in the dream, they must be dead
because they're not coming back. And then gymnasts come back
and whatnot.
Speaker 3: So he comes back, look like this.
Speaker 1: God, did that just get added? We always had that
we get there one day, but yeah, what did uh?
Any thoughts on the love triangle there?
Speaker 2: Uh, it just didn't work for me, and I prefer.
Speaker 3: My my Ethan to be Uh.
Speaker 2: I like the later ones where he's got like we'll
talk more about it later later on, but in short,
I love that he just he loves his ex wife
and just the reasons behind that.
Speaker 3: I love that he just has the.
Speaker 2: Vanessa Kirby thing, like he's just having a good time.
You know, business is business, and.
Speaker 3: Don't do anything they do.
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't have they did not implying.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and dead reckoning they did.
Speaker 2: They did know that you did, Oh yeah, they did,
Kirkly and you just saw the movie, like you can
back me up because but they put that on the table,
like I do you think Rebecca Ferdiston like puts that
out there and he just dismisses it, like but coyly things.
Speaker 1: Know what you are? Two things you're confusing, I said.
One they had never had sexual relations. That's true. He
was not having sex with her while he was with
Rebecca Ferguson. And two that's partially him playing along because
he's like, you knows.
Speaker 2: What they're implying that, they're implying that he had to
make it up to her or do something.
Speaker 1: They didn't do it.
Speaker 2: He never did that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Like, I like, I like those.
Speaker 2: Those later lovers. But this this triangle just it's not
it's not doing it for me, not doing it for me,
It's just it's weird.
Speaker 3: It's weird age big John Boys the elder out of
all of them.
Speaker 1: I saw some stat where I'm pretty sure I don't
know it's this movie or a last movie, where Tom
Cruise is now older than John Boy was at the
beginning of this movie, and it's like, man, that's a
crazy just obviously it's big dynamic change here, but uh yeah,
that's something. Yeah, we'll talk about number two. I feel
like his love interests to start with the franchise. We're
not U not prime real estate here in the writing department.
But the other thing I never don't know why I
didn't put together till now. I felt like an idiot.
I'm sure people talked about it, and I even rewatched
this before we said watch Dead Reckoning. But the train
like the finale action sequences on a train in Dead
Reckoning and here it is. It gets a train right
because they're hanging in every.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of parallels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny with Kitchers being back. So now
I'm interested because I really I'm gonna rewatch even though
we're not doing a retro I'm gonna rewatch Dead Reckning
because obviously the files coming out and I have seen
since theaters, but I was watching this like, oh, I'm
so dumb, So like that's where that movie plays it
a lot better. Yeah, I just it's weird again where
it's a lot of sneaking around. He takes off the
mask is him, and then all of a sudden, John
Voyd climbs the ladder and they said, we're in a
completely different movie. We're in James Bomb Warren Triple X.
They're like rolling around up there. John Voyd's got this
fucking goggles, fucking leon. The professionals there with the helicopter
trying to get close, which feels like the most riskiest
play ever, even Tom Cruise or Ethan Hunt, who's supposed
to be sure he's doing his mission impossible, any mission,
just to get it done, But to attach a helicopter
to a moving train felt like, are you trying to
massacre everyone on this fucking train? Like it like it'd
be different. It was just like the bad guys with
the file and Dad Reckning. Isn't that the same thing?
Don't they have a file that unload with the entity
or something? Right, isn't there still like a computer where
there's like a clock ticking or am I wrong? I
thought Vanessa Kirby was like a oh, check the file,
check the file, and this movie has that our Kittridge
or no Vanessa, what was she? What's her name? She's
a male? No, no, no, in this movie she has
a male's name, but she's a female. Max backs, Yeah,
same thing. She's trying to like get a file upload
in the computer or something like that.
Speaker 3: So it is really similar. But yeah, something like that with.
Speaker 1: A computer, I feel like. But either way, like again,
like it'd be different. Was just Max, John Voyd and her.
I'm assuming there's other people on this train, so to
attach the helicopter, They'm like, oh my god, like how risky.
And then above all else too, the fucking helicopter makes
it through the tunnel and it's completely fun. I'm sure.
Definitely in the world there's some tunnels that could fit helicopter.
Speaker 3: And you could precisely zone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, yeah, you can fly it through I
remember that map. I missed that one. You can fly
it through a tunnel. But the fact that you're flying
through a tunnel in action scene connected it's just I
could believe that maybe in later movies and even maybe
I roll my eyes, but this movie it doesn't fit
and it takes me out of it, and I can't
even have fun with that because it just feels so
different than the rest of the movie. It's just even
too Like the way he survives is him and John
Boy are both hanging from the helicopter. He puts the
ball in there the mag John Voy look like the
oldest guy who's like trying to get off the copper
and he like can't, but Ethan like jumps off the
copper and uses the explosion to propel himself to the train,
like he'd probably just be engulfed in flame. Like everything
about it just I think because in this movie in particular,
that just feels like this just doesn't work for me.
It's that this, like the third act, actively takes points
down like the longer goes on.
Speaker 3: Every time I watch it, so it's taking big jumps there.
It's for the most part, like all the gadgetary and
like the like when they're when they're rating the CIA headquarters.
It seems like pretty grounded for the most part, like
like possibility, yeah exactly, and then yeah, all those factors
you just mentioned, and then Leon the professional tries to
fucking like decapitate him with the blades of the helicopter,
which is like best case scenario, you fucking get him,
but then you're just gonna ram your blades into the
train and just die. Anyway, It's like it is very
Triple X and just yeah, I mean it's not as
egregious as the stuff that happens in the second film.
That one is like, man, I feel like it's on
the same sets as Triple X, even just with like
the we'll get to it, We'll get to that movie.
But yeah, yeah, I completely agreed. It ramps up to
a whole another level. And it's it's it's funny though,
because everything up until they go on the roof of
the train is like still in that grounded like kind
of like realm of believability. But then the second they
go up there, and yeah, you already mentioned all the
funny details John Voyd's character and everyone else, but uh, yeah,
I wonder what they were they were thinking. It's like,
let's throw this in the tunnel just to have even
more stage.
Speaker 1: I guess it's just they looked at the movie and
we're just like it needs a big finish and let's
say that. But even then, like I guess, like a
top crowns around possibility, you got eyes why shut like
I just like I guess this was Tom Cruise trying
to be like the big action star and like also
it worked out, don't get me wrong, but just feels
like it's it's not like he has a history of
Oh and I need like you need this big set piece.
It's not like a fast and furious movie.
Speaker 2: But and the one thing too is it's just being
all CGI at the end a bullet train like that.
This is the way the helicopter is angled, even pulling
it like it's just like it's literally impossible. The helicopter
is not gonna move like that. The fact that a CGI,
I just hate that. They should have found a way
to make it look like it was like practical just
stage like the end of a train and then H
like a helicopter positioning and CGI the propellers and then
just CGI like the background moving really really fast to
make it look like it's moving instead of just c
G iing like an animated train of helicopter. Just I
don't know, do something different I'm sure they could have
figured it out, because this it just yeah, pulls you out.
And then I really like the the actor he he
played Frans he's the French guy because he's in that
Godzilla nineteen nineties Godzilla movie where the French Secret Service coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about him multiple times. You're like, I
like that French. Remember talking about him with Maddie and
the Air.
Speaker 2: I don't remember Sunday Morning Tears, not ready for this,
but no, he's yeah, he's just he's fantastic in this
and I like that he he got played by Ethan,
and ever since watching multiple times, ever since watching m
I two, when we get to that like it just
m I two highlights Ethan's love of misdirection. And I
like that because in retrospect for here, he's all about misdirection.
Speaker 1: Just flexing on in front everybody, just like.
Speaker 3: He did not have to ahumiliate him that hard, but
he went above and beyond.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did think watching it this time, which would
have been a cool thing, I thought. And then I
was wrong when he had you know, uh, Leon the
professional has a disc and then Tom Cruise has a disc.
I thought he was psyching him. Out to make him
throw out the disc and be like, actually I didn't
have the disc and like got it from him, but no,
he did just like flex on him the whole time
and just like I'm gonna do a bunch of magic
and just make him look like an idiot. But I
thought he was trying to trick him to get him
to leave that disc, like oh, it's nothing, and then like,
oh my god, is what he does.
Speaker 3: He does trick him to leave the disc, but.
Speaker 1: That's not the real disc.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: He the because he had the real disc and he
was like Kreager has it, and so Ethan does all
the fake bullshit and then Creaker's like, don't fuck with
me with your magic again, throws it in the garbage,
and then Ethan takes it gives it to Luther.
Speaker 3: Yeah he doesn't, and then Luther's like, yep, yeah, he
like makes a comment about it. I'll double check your out.
He does. He does?
Speaker 1: What did I just have a fucking did? I just
like my brain race.
Speaker 3: Story though, that's the fucking story. It plays tricks on you.
Speaker 1: I don't remember him picking up because if so, Bravo,
that's what my thought of, Like, yeah, that's what you
should do, is have him.
Speaker 2: He pulls out of the garbage, and Luther's like, oh,
he had the rule one the whole time. Yeah, it's like, yeah,
that's why I'm trusting it to you.
Speaker 1: Hold on to my brain just like completely, like you know,
the father of five kids twins, I'm a little sleep deprived.
Speaker 3: His magic trick worked on you. He's creeker. Looks like
he got fucking stupefied or something that seemed too. He's
just Ethan's like smacking him in the head with the
disc just being such a fu.
Speaker 1: He's doing real magic on him. Ethan's good. So oh man, okay,
let's see here. I've Ben Raims introduced him. I like
I put in the trivia that the reason they got
him is they wanted a different look for Hacker. They
didn't just want like a just usual Oh yeah Benji nerdy, Yeah,
just like.
Speaker 3: They didn't want this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah that pole hits in rains the polls breaking like
you know. And but yeah, he's good here. It's great
to have him in there, especially just because other than
what we'll talk about four and he's still in it.
But it's like, now we get down to Final Wreck
being other than Tom Cruise, He's like the only piece
that's like still around from the originals, right, which is
like different. There's so many franchises you look at Fast
and Furious, there's like six characters where it's like, Okay,
they've still been here the whole time, right, but the
Mission Possible it's just those two, so it's it's interesting.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he unfortunately didn't make them all though, right said,
Rogue Nations is the one.
Speaker 1: He doesn't appear in No Ghost Protocol. He does, He's
just not on the team. He's busy doing something else.
Speaker 3: But I feel like I've always liked Luthor throughout the
whole franchise just yeah, been Rains is just just really
good in that role. But now that like I'm starting
to rewatch, especially just watching the original one all these
years later, I feel like I appreciate him so much
more because he's just he is a different type of hacker.
He's also just like the most like trustworthy. I feel
like out of like everyone Ethan deals with like a
lot of shady people, like the Kreekers of the world,
but but Vin Rains is always just like he's a
criminal technically, like at the start of this, he's been disavowed.
I guess. I don't know if that means he's on
the run, but he's just he's just a disavowed agent.
Speaker 1: He's kind of but he was playing pretty low key,
so I think he was maybe a wanted man. But
if you're a bump into him, they might slap some
cuffs on him, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, maybe. But he just always seems like he's
on the right side of like the moral alignment. And
even in like the later films, he seems like I.
Speaker 2: Think it's one of his lines actually in the movie,
he always on the right side, brother or something.
Speaker 3: It sounds wrong, brother. It seems like Ethan oftentimes too
will like sway to do like what he has to do,
even though it might not be like what's right. And
then Luther will be kind of like that conscience on
it on his shoulder. So I just really like the role.
And then shuts out of pulp fiction.
Speaker 1: What's his clip? I see someone as a clip up here?
Speaker 3: I got the I got the clip here. Yeah, we'll
go back.
Speaker 2: He's doing his little tricks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's doctor Stranger, Luther.
Speaker 3: In the back with the coy smile, on all right,
He's going and the Claire's laughing in the background too.
In this scene there throws in the trash.
Speaker 1: In the trash, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Camera shots Ethan's there.
Speaker 2: He goes pulling it out and then he threw out
his fu Yeah, he threw his out, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think what I did is I think I
looked away Luther's face. So I think I looked away
and then saw just this party, like, oh, yes it is.
And I feel because I've seen this movie before, I remember, like, no,
it would have been so much better if he likes
through the garbage. So I like, I like Mendela effect
that I had the idea, but really could have seen
the movie. No, that's fantastic ten other than the magic.
But you know, for me and Furmoss, that was great.
Love Luther's glasses he's got wearing on. But yeah, I
know it's funny you mentioned pulp fiction. I just watched
that this week. I had to create. I don't know
why I did, but again, I really it's such an.
Speaker 3: As Tom Cruise size in there too, you know a
little bit. You don't have him on like a step
trying to make him bigger.
Speaker 1: They forgot that day he saw He's sitting in the theaters, like,
are you fucking kidding me? No one caught this, but no,
it almost happened once. But again, I really hope Cruise
works with Tarantino before it's all sunden. I know Tarantino's
just one more, but I would love to see that.
But I also think their styles would clash heavily. So
I got no more movie notes. I don't think I
have Trivia's stuff and aboly my fune, but do you
guys got any specific scenes or moments to shout out.
Speaker 3: Like something that's I feel like I didn't realize with
such a mission possible staple that is is like taking
off the fake masks, and I obviously remember it in
the later films, but like I didn't realize how much
they actually use it. In the second one, they use
it even more. I feel like that can doitetop.
Speaker 1: I fucking love this, Let's do it.
Speaker 3: It is a fun gadget thing. It's popped up and
meddle your sola. That's that's another place where I've seen
it before. But it's just a really fun like high
tech but also not like that high of tech type yeah, yeah,
just gadgery to use, so appreciate it here.
Speaker 1: I wish we had money. I would love to do
it on podcasts, like start the podcast with us all
our names, but then we take it off and it's
like yeah, mind fuck Yeah, I would love to do.
The things I would do is a billionaire podcast, like
make us some mission impossible masks, and let's do that
on the Mass. I got trivia that it's the only
Mission Possible movie with the trademark mass removal that is
entirely practical effects. So from here on it's always touched
with CGI or something. But uh, and I think you
can tell too, because like it's in the second.
Speaker 3: Look like Tom Cruise in this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in this all the rest of them, it's like
Tom Cruise can transform into like Queen Elizabeth, but in
this one, it's like it's him that you can tell
Tom Cruise with like a variation. Like they're smart, Like
they're really like like the politician guy on the news,
he's like Tom Cruise an old makeup, so then you
can get him a look like that same thing with
like the the other characters. So I think that's smart,
and I they do the they do do that a
couple more times in the future where they have Tom
cruise look like somebody but h yeah, you can definitely
still tell it's Ethan Hunt.
Speaker 3: But you know, if you know him, you wouldn't know,
you know, so yeah, absolutely, And then the other probably
like the most iconic scene for me in this whole
film is when they do that the raid of the
CIA Complex and right, it's pretty much like all the
Mission Impossible movies have a sequence like this. Later on
they have multiple it's pretty much like the whole damn
movie and in the later ones, but just yeah, it's
simple but yet like very effective the way that they're
able to do this. I like the just the explanation
of the guy that's going into the room and they
just give him some fucking bad potatoes or.
Speaker 1: Or guy he's just doing his regular job. He shitting
bridges the whole day, like or he's peaking up. He's
literally walking around with a trash can.
Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, he thinks he's in the clear, then
he has to double back go back to the bathroom. Yeah,
these scenes are always like fun with just all like
if it goes up a single degree, you know, the
alarms go off, but like to me, it just doesn't
really make a lot of sense. Also, like this guy
that's like shit in his pants, he's kind of be
pretty sweaty, I would imagine, so therefore I would imagine
he is actually increasing the temperature of the room to
cause that thing to go off. And there's just many
sequences of them like almost dropping Ethan. I'm like, come on,
like they're making noise here. There's no way they're They're
below the decibel level. But I still appreciate it. It's fun
Tom cruise with these like nerdy glasses with like the
peck that has the just the cameras on them, and yeah,
it's just just a fun sequence. I like when Kreeger
the rat comes to fucking like mess around with him
and he just kills the rat holding Tom. Yeah, so
it's it's just a fun sequence overall. And then it's
kind of weird how it ends when when he like
he's like Malc and then he takes like the disc
from Ethan and in the moment, I imagine he's just
like leaving Ethan there, but then they still leave together,
so it's like why the fuck did he even have
to do that? And then he drops his knife. It's
just weird. Weird Creaker's just a weird guy overall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I'm wondering because technically, if he was like
the like not he's with Voight, right, wouldn't it be
smart to get the disc and then just cut him
and leave him.
Speaker 3: This I thought to do, or he dropped his knife,
He's like, fuck, okay, nevermind.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure. But I'm also not sure, like
his vin Rains is plugged in. Is it something like
that where he wants to get away, where like because
he's seen the size of vin Rains, like he knows
zinn Rain's gonna fuck him up. He's fine, He's like
maybe it's that to where like technically, okay, he does that,
but then vin Rainel is like, hey, this guy's bad,
and like whether he falls and tracks him whatever, I
don't know because the figurings is doing some some Yeah.
I was trying to think if like he needed Luthor
to do something to that desk before he took it,
but I don't think that gets established. So yeah, I
think you're right. That's a little spotty. But yeah, that sequence,
it's like when we get to best scenes or anything
like that, and good thing. You brought that up before
he moved on one. I would love to watch that
in a theater because I just feel like the close
cores and the camera angles they use there, it just
feel like cinematic in that moment. I would love to
have the score. And just like huge screens seem Tom
Cruise to come down, and that's like you talk about
movie magic and iconic photos or scenes, this is one
of those, like how many DVDs, how many theater openings
that we've seen that has like Tom Cruise falling and
just almost hitting the floor right like that is like
a whoever, I'm sure it happened in movies before, like
a guy almost hitting the floor, but this is like
the aversion. Like even the photo we have the background, right,
you have this stuff like his reflection is like perfectly
right there, Like it's just like it's shot so well,
it's blocked so well. Like that's something where it's like
again even tambing too, like O, how it did so well.
I feel like just even seeing the trailer, you're like, oh,
I gotta see that scene. And even then if you don't,
if you thought the rest of me was okay, I
think this scene like delivers of like that's a cool
spy thing, and it feels like somewhat practical. It has
great intensity. I love when the guy does get in
there and everything's kind of okay and he just sees
that knife and you just don't really know what to think,
right because there's no blood, but it's just like a
knife just places in the computer and then he checks
like last upload, like oh fuck. But and like the
little good foreshadow I love. I forget about every time
when they when he has the knife, Oh god, what's
his name again? Only Creeker and he slams his hand
up the knight like you could see that it's the
same knife from earlier in the film, But I always
forget that. So like literally they do like a saw
thing where all this will before saw. But like if
you were playing close enough attention, you see that knife
stab her, and then you see the Creaker's knife, you go, oh,
he's in on. So I love the little you know,
breadcrumbs that lead along the way that.
Speaker 2: Just ruined be for anyone, like you know they catch
it was like, oh well fuck, now I know.
Speaker 3: And just in the next half hour, I think it's.
Speaker 1: Like an O ship because like not that it's like
a ruining, but I remember in the theaters when we
were watching Homecoming, figuring out that Keene was so and
So's dad before we got the scene, and that you're like, a,
oh fuck, I can't wait to get telling everyone.
Speaker 3: You're like that that's him. They're gonna reveal it.
Speaker 1: That's his dad, that's its god and then just a
big fight but fucking kill you. But yeah, ten ten
sequins for just filmmaking wise, But yeah, great stuff there, Kittridge.
Speaker 3: I's kind of a goofball for the most part for me.
On these rewatches, I think I I still appreciate him
of just being that like that guy that's just he
just wants he just wants to get the bad guy.
He just wants to get Ethan Hunt. They have a
lot of funny close up shots of him, especially like
when he's sitting down with Ethan, and it's a bold move,
you know, to just do this whole thing in the
public place. I get it. Maybe he's not going to
react as crazy in a public place, but still he's
just like, Yeah, you're done. You're done, Ethan. You're you're
going to jail. All these things you killed, all these people,
and then just just Ethan's piecing it all together that
he's got all these these people watching him. Luckily he's
got the chewing gum on him. But yeah, Kittridge, I
think I just kind of chuckle more so on these
rewatches now, just because he seems he seems so much
more of a character compared to other types of people
in those power roles in the later mission Impossible films,
whether it's I mean, who's another example, I guess Alec
Balden is kind of one of those characters.
Speaker 1: In Anthony Hopkins Anthony.
Speaker 3: He's only there for two Yeah, he's very, very minor,
but just other people that are trying to shut him down,
even like Henry Cavill's handler in in in Fallout, I
can't remember her name, but just just those types of characters,
they just seem so much more medicine than this Cattridge character.
I don't know if it's just the way that they
do these close up shots or for whatever reason, he
just seems a lot more mustache toorly to me. Could
kicked all of them, and I appreciate it to an extent,
but it's definitely not my favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're trying to do that because I
feel like they're trying to make you think that he
is the mole, like it's not John Voyd, Like he's
setting up Ethan to take the fall for all this,
which literally is the plot of Dead Rackning kind of
you know, in a way again the the uh the
god one of the I don't no, no, no no,
I'm trying to think the echoes because George Luke is
always describing all sorrows that's gone as echoes. Like that's
this movie to Deadrackning where it's like, literally the plot
of you think Kittrids might be bad but he's not
is the plot dead Rackning. Oh he might be bad,
but this time he is bad. It's like, oh, okay,
I see what she did there. But I think that's
that's where they go. I'm just be like a slimy,
you know, arresting his parents, like oh, so'll go away
if you turn yourself in. But you know, from his
point of view, he's uh doing the right thing, I guess.
Speaker 3: So it's also just like the setup of his parents
that shot on the news. They man, they they must
have had a bad Sunday. They you know, they're they're
going to do their everyday activities and then just have
a photo of them being arrested for what were they
accused of, like just robbing a bank or whatever the
hell was like a million.
Speaker 1: Money or something like that. Yeah, because I'm like, all
this property hasn't been seen for a bit. You guys
own this or some bank and then yeah, this got
all the money funded there, so yeah, they like.
Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty grand Yeah, yeah pretty low.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, hey, bezment's investment. Right, they're just having a
nice Saturday brunch and just like, oh, prahap, it's a
mission possible unit, you know, which is funny. We actually
you would have thought we would have returned, And I
wonder if we'll forget that you would have thought we
were returned to his parents because like that, to me,
he's a plenty pretty big plot point, like you're finding
your main character.
Speaker 3: They're dead by now for sure, Tom.
Speaker 1: Cruise is looking pretty good. I'm just like even in
the other movies, like the fact that they got a
rest and that was you that was used as leverage
over Ethan Hunt, and they never never touched back to
his parents.
Speaker 2: I feel like they've wrecked on some things. Because as
we see in Dead with Kittridge, well, it was just like,
oh you did you did something very very bad and
that so we've recruited you into the IMF to like
expunge your criminal history. Right, That's kind of like that's
where we feel like Dead reckoning. They kind of show
this is why how they get their IMF agents by
doing that, say, finding people really skilled in their fields
and then expunge in their past, which makes sense with
Luthor because you see him being confronted in the in
the on the in the scene with Ethan, Ethan's like,
oh you were responsible for that one crime. He's like,
there's no evidence that was responsible for it, but damn
that was a good job or something like that. So anyways,
what I was trying to get is you see the
scene where he's with that girl in the alleyway, and
that I came with the other actors name Ato no
not Timothy isn't.
Speaker 3: No, he looks like Timo.
Speaker 2: He looks like yeah. But he pops up in the ellyway,
shoots Ethan Hunt's lady friend there, and then carries on.
I feel like that's kind of like the introduction because
you learn that's where kind of set sets him off
to join the IMF or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh you're talking about dead reckoning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so confused that whole Like, it's
weird how they changed, they've changed, how that dynamic is.
Speaker 3: He looks like him to me.
Speaker 1: He still could have been a criminal, though. Just because
he got his girl killed doesn't mean Eithan Hunt wasn't
a criminal, right, They could have been pulling theft together.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. The bezzling money with his parents, Yeah,
his parents.
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell you that was a sponge. No, we
we got it. Still ready, your parents did that? There? No,
just sign this check, mom? Yeah great, Dad? Can you
give me a bank account number? Great, I'll be back
in and out.
Speaker 3: It's like this dark twist where Ethan's actually just like abusing.
His parents have like dementia or something. They have no
idea what's going on. And then he's just he's just
putting them at all in them, bringing all.
Speaker 1: This heat to them and stuff. There's at the wedding
and am missed Apostle three just like shell shocked by
what their son's done to them. You're gonna sit here
and be nice to Michelle.
Speaker 3: Right. Last thing I'll shout out is the character of Max.
I like like the switch around that you're expecting this
I don't know male character. I guess because because his
name is Max and just this big criminal mastermind, and
you know, it's not the last time it happens. Of course,
we get the White Widow later on with the Great
Vanessa Kirby. But I also just love the whole kind
of riddle messaging that he has to do with just
the Book of Job and like the Bible. You know,
I love a good Da Vinci code type code cracking segment,
So I appreciate that, and then just how he's able
to get in touch with her, and then it actually
is a reoccurrent thing where he's like playing a character
that he's not actually right, like when he pretends to
be whatever that character that's meeting the White Widow later
on and they don't really know who it is. Obviously
Max found out right away that that's not who that is.
But yeah, I still appreciate all the scenes and I
thought Max was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that actor. She you know, it
keeps coming up, shout out to She's a recurring character.
Niptok she's one of our main character's mothers who's just
like a terrible, terrible person. But yeah, her daughters both
actors as well, Like there's Joey Redgrave, who is the
person in Niptuck. But then her other daughter was the
one that was married to leave Nice at one point,
the one that passed away from the skiing accident when
they were younger and stuff. So they had lots of
and she was the god what I think she's in
is it parent trap? I think it's I think she's
the mom and parent trap. I think her daughter was
the mom and parent trap. I think let me just
confirm this beforehan one. Yeah, let me just you know
with Dennis Quaid and oh no, I'm kiddo there, I'm
getting this completely wrong again, having a bad day. Who
the continue tell you talk? I take it all back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess seeing Kittridge in here and
comparing Kitchens with all the other types of like squad leaders,
it's a I'm not like a super big fan of
him just because of how he just casts go for it.
Speaker 1: To redeem myself. It was a name changed. Those are
her daughters, she's read Grave. The other ones are Richardson.
So there I go, because I was like, I swear
because if you see them, nittok, she's playing the mom
of her actual daughter and they look identical. But I
was like, there's no way I never found out about
the Parent Trap thing. Hang on, it is true. That's
the one from Parent Trap that was merrily amazing. There
you go, all right, she was a great actress. Too soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kittridge is just he's not my all time favorite.
I think I like a bald one popping off and fallout.
Speaker 3: I think he was. He was funny. He popped out
in the other one.
Speaker 2: I can't remember which one he was, one of the
Ghost Protocol or the other one.
Speaker 1: Because they kill him off, right, he killed him off? Yeah,
because what you got You got him and then you
got Hopkins. Come up, you got Fishburn. I don't remember
who is both in the Woman Protocol or someone else.
Speaker 3: I don't not remember who's Baldwin. I think answers to
someone else. It's it's our it's our Patreon, right. Jeremy Renner,
he's the in between.
Speaker 1: He's like he is, but he's not like the old
guy that.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Renner felt like a cavil kind of character except
didn't turn bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I thought he's like I thought he gets
promoted like at the end to like that type of.
Speaker 1: Role like he does. Yes see, he wasn't in to
the Fifth one Alec Baldwin, so I don't know. Yeah,
because he's in roge Nation and then follow out to
where he dies, so I'll be interested. We watched Ghost
Protocol to see who was like the the mission person,
because like Renner is there, but there's always But I
guess if you think about that movie, like not that
we're trying to get to there right now, but like
isn't Ethan already kind of like this about the beginning,
he's like in a prison and stuff like that, like
he's not really on the map.
Speaker 3: I thought he was under cover.
Speaker 2: Tom Wilkinson, Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, fucking uh he's uh god not Marone? Who the
who does John playing the Batman? Who's There's sal for
to Maroney and forgetting I'm having a bad day. Who's Falcone?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He Falcone? Batman begins right, Yeah, your dad? He begged
like a dog.
Speaker 2: I did not realized he passed away in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Holy damn it. I forgot about that. Yeah, okay, I
was gonna say, they asked me some old guy that's
given him a mission. It always is. And then Angela
Bassett is not for him, but that's Cavil's mission because
she's like the I don't know, I think she's something American.
But we'll get there. We're gonna get there, you know.
Fun times ahead. Anything else, not twice, Nay, mission's done.
It was possible. Okay, some trivia. When filming the famous
scene where Tom Cruise drops from the ceiling and hovers
inches above the ground, cruises head kept hitting the floor
until he got the idea to put coins and the
shoes were bounced. I hope they didn't do too many takes,
just like take twenty seven. They're like the fuck. It's like,
you're kidding me. But yeah, put some coins and shoes
and I guess that made it work. So there you go. Uh,
not only in this film, Not only is this the
film where Ethan doesn't fire a gun, it is the
only one not to have shootouts or gunfights. So there
you go. On the franchise, so does the fire gun,
which kind of makes sense right when you think about it.
Lots of stuff like there's not too.
Speaker 3: Many John Voyd, you know doing the fucking the self
shot on the gut dude, No, sound like, didn't force
Whitaker there.
Speaker 1: Save the rebellion, uh trick. He should be one of
the he should be uh impossible handl our guy. He'd
be great, Yeah, but as Sagerera though not as.
Speaker 3: It with the hair like the biggest armor.
Speaker 1: For some bad times out the reason.
Speaker 3: To say the galaxy, that's that's the when he goes
into space.
Speaker 1: That's how fine, right it's gonna and he's it's a
prequel to Star Wars. You must have the most impossible
mission yet would be.
Speaker 3: The biggest twist in the history of the franchise.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine? It is that face of Tunker smiling
post and it's like dun d It's like, oh my god, chills.
The trick with a disappeared where you'repearing CD that Ethan
Hunt does to full of France Gregor. It's not a
camera trick or any other visual effect, but a genuine
slight hand. So that's why he's so confused. Talk Cruise
was legitimately just sucking him up with the magic.
Speaker 2: They just kept the cameras rolling the scrap. He kept
looking at the director like what are we doing? Why
is he smacking me with this ship.
Speaker 1: Script toms like big leat him. Oh yeah, you didn't
give me my shoes to eat me taller. I'm gonna
fuck this guy out watch me embarrassing, was like keeping
keep on. Yeah, this is great. Gregor's losing it. I
really like this trivia. Here. Reza Baddie, the person responsible
behind directing more episodes of the original series than anybody.
It was asked by the head of Paramount to be
present on set for consulting and advising the first an
set director Ryan A. Palm approached him and told him
how much he enjoyed the original series, but he also
added this movie's gonna be nothing like the television show
and that his presence on the set would only result
in making them both uncomfortable. Uh Reza thanked him for
the honesty and left the set and never returned, which
I think was probably a good idea. So I like that.
I just went to like, hey love that show, We're
doing nothing like this. This is just gonna be awkward
to be here, and the guy parents was like, yeah,
you're probably right, So then could have been like Snewy whatnot,
because like it wasn't his call. It was the paramount
that said like, yeah you go, you go help them out,
and I like that they just decided like yeah, like
this is not for the like this is not gonna
be a good working relationship. And clearly it worked out.
Speaker 3: So that's such a great example of like how disconnected
like executives can be. Yeah, so like this will really
help out the pro show. And then both like directors
are like, yeah, no, this is not a good idea
at all for the quality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they probably said like, oh we're doing this,
this and this, Yeah, it's not like the show and
the came out like and I don't know if he
got paid or whatnot.
Speaker 3: But I was gonna ask like how would that work, Like,
I know you must.
Speaker 1: Be getting paid, Like if they sent him to the set,
he probably got like an EP credit or somewhere or
something like he's got paid for his time there. Because
I was like, yeah, sure, I'll help out, but like
I don't want to go there for free. Like dude,
just sitting on the set for three months has given notes.
While Tom Cruise is getting mad at Craiger.
Speaker 3: He goes up to him smacks them.
Speaker 1: You see it in the show. We got on in
a movie now, so I'll get smacked in the head. Actually,
I got this perfect script for it, Taylor, You're gonna
get smacked in the head. I'm sorry, but I got
I came from in a vision to it.
Speaker 3: It's just one of.
Speaker 2: These scenes, isn't that right?
Speaker 3: Hot brother, the the.
Speaker 1: Disc get it, You've made your points. Stop cut, Let's
go again Gold because he's a producers like wants keep going.
Parament Pictures owned the rights of television series and had
to make a movie or try to make a movie
for several years, but failed to come up with a
viable treatment. Tom Cruise had been a big fan of
the show since he was young and thought it would
be a good idea to make a movie. Cruise chose Mission,
possibly his first project that his new production company produced,
and convinced the company to put up eighty million. They
originally wanted to be like twenty to forty million, and
Tom Cruise, which I guarantee you is good talker of
the room, got them up like pretty much a whole
like hundred percent, but forty millions great, But like what
about eighty and they're like, yeah, okay, but yeah, it's
the first movie he produced, and I'll see his a
lot of cloud over that. So, according to Martin Landau,
when the brducers in an earlier treatment, the original plan
was to bring back the entire original cast of the
television series just to kill them off in the first act.
Every member of the cast refused to participate, so which
you know, I'm sure they're like, I don't want to do.
But in retrospect, that would have been funny. Would have
got payday Like you're not doing anymore. I get it,
but that could have been fun. Tom Cruise deferred his
twenty million feet for the percentage of the box Yeah,
defer for the percentage of the box office takings. End
up with a reported seventy million. Not sure what type
of deals they're getting. If the movie made a box
office of one hundred and eighty and Tom Cruise is
getting seventy, so like what one hundred and ten million
left over? Like, I'm not sure how it was working
back then. By kudos to Tom Cruise and his lawyer
for just or agent just having some killer deals right there.
Let's see here on the scene that takes place in
a glass walled restaurant and the big lobster tank in
the middle. There are three huge fishtanks over had Tom
Cruise or the three fish tanks overhead was Tom Cruise idea?
There were sixteen tons in all the tanks. There was
a concern when it detonated a lot of the glass
would fly around. Did Palm will try the sequence with
a stuntman but it did not look convincing. He asked
crews to do it despite knowing the possibility Cruise could
have drowned. So I guess they did that and they
just could not shoot him away where you could not.
You just always saw the stunt guy and they go
have Tom do it. But he felt uneasy about it.
So again, I love when people were just honest to
paulm said he directed this because you need a commercial
hit at the time. There you go just just bluntly
like we always talked about two and we're like, oh,
why is this director doing that? I said, well, just
need to make some money. This will be a reoccurring
thing when we talk about this franchise. But there were
rumors that Tom Cruise and Brian and Opalma did not
get along. They are more fueled by Brian Opalma, excusing
himself from last moments schedule media interviews before the movie's
theatrical release. So and they did ask him back for
the sequel, but he said no. So I don't know
if this is could have been that much, but I
think again, Tom Cruise is not a director, but very
kind of director minded. Al Pacino, Michael Douglas, and Robert
Redford will all consider for the part of Jim Feltz,
which made me really want Al Pacino and Tom Cruise
to do something together. I was like, man, I would
love to see that pairing. And then here you go
before Tom Cruise because obviously he went on in his
production company. It became a whole different beasts. But as
I said, they are working on the movie for multiple
years trying to get it going. So I'll give you
some names here. I guess in the very one of
the very first versions, Tom or George Clooney was off
for the role, but he turned it down. Other people
talked about were Bruce Wills, John Travolta, Nicholas Cage, Ralph Fines,
and Mel Gibson. Out of those ones, in an earlier
version would have been the same movie. But who do
you think would have been the best suited there.
Speaker 2: Ralph, Well, Rafe, did.
Speaker 1: I say, Ralph? Oh it's Ray Fines. I'm sorry, Yeah,
what about you, Kirkling.
Speaker 3: I like the Rafe pick. What was the first one
you said? Not him?
Speaker 1: Why not Clooney? That's my pick because I feel like
he's the most swallow, because Bruce Wills is too. He's
too hard nosed. I think like you can't buy him
as like that type of swallow. Nicholas Cage, as much
as I would love to see a deep fake of
him putting all these movies as Ethan Hunt, because that'd
be a wild think about it. Think about him him
on the side of a plane when it's going and
Nick Cage acting out like his facials. But again, a
lot of these people probably woudn't down those stunts, but
that would have been great. Or like imagine Nick Cage
and Mission Bostle too, and like the sand gun shirt,
like him on a bike he's chewing off the bike.
But I mean, I think Clooney for me because I
just Ray find is not a bad one either, but
he's I guess he's in scream actions serving me, not
Travolta and Gibson know, I'm happy, so I would be cluing,
even though we would not get half the stunts we
did with George Clooney.
Speaker 3: So I feel like Ray finds more of a bond
than an Ethan hunt for I agree, yeah, And ironically,
I think I would pick Nick Cage. I feel like
he's somewhat similar to Tom Cruise with just like the
sporadic nature of the character sometimes, like I can picture
Nick Cage smacking Kreeker with the with the tape. You know,
he might even do that scene better than Tom Cruise did.
But I'm glad we got Tom Cruise. It's tough to
kind of recast him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh tear Field.
Speaker 2: I final rating, Yeah, I think I'm gonna go. I'm
probably gonna go a six point five out of ten.
It's a past still and I know I'll probably watch
it again in the future, but I'm not running to it.
I'm being generous with that six point five because it's
it's not one of my favorite mission possibles that exists
out there. And yeah, that being said, it's it's our
introduction though to to where we're at now. It's the foundation,
and it's definitely being called back because we're seeing similarities.
I'm sure there's a lot more similarities too as we
get through these other movies that'll just kind of call
back to this, this first film. Yeah, so I'm excited
to sally Forth, mister Patzer, sally Forth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm gonna give this one. I think
I'm gonna give it an eight point five, pretty darn high.
I definitely appreciate it. I think on more rewatches of
just the the more grounded nature, the more simple aspect,
just to where we get to in Mission Possible. And
it's not a bad thing, but it's just it's just
a fun. Yeah, it's just fun to kind of look
and compare the different eras of Mission Impossible all these
years later, pretty much thirty years later actually, yeah, just
came out when I was born. I'm approaching thirty, so
this is a year.
Speaker 1: Away from it being a thirty year old franchise. And
then even then, if you want to cheat and count
the TV show right that ran for many years, it's
like it's a long eyep.
Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, it's it's actually bigger than I really
thought about because I kind of forgot about the TV show.
But no, yeah, it's Tom Cruise is still like a
really good lead even all the way back here, and yeah, no,
I really appreciate this film and it's a good uh,
it's a good one to start the retaurant. It's gonna
be it's gonna be a fun journey, especially jumping into
two here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that'll be good. That'll be next. But yeah,
I'm just a little bit above Kirkling at nine, I said,
my only big thing or like CON's where the third
act and then some characters if we talk on the middle.
But yeah, I love just the just the depths these
people go to to trying to out trick one another,
and I love the drama. But I love that's all
for the most part played seriously, you know, taking a
side like our joke about the rama on the head
and everything. It is a serious scene of him like
bitch him out because like he's a trader, right, like
he should kind of bitch him out because like this
guy is no good and everything right. So I love
the drama. I love how serious it's taken. I love
the camera angles and the shots scores good. Yeah, and
it just has like a great cold vibe to it,
which I love. I love as I said, a good
spy versus spy and this is that, and uh yeah, cruises,
the cruises the bomb here. It's fantastic to see him
in this movie. So yeah, it's a good setting pace.
I think this one, I don't know when I'll rewatch it,
because like I feel, after I rewatch these, i'll be
good to. I don't have the same way with some franchise,
where this one I think it is a pick and choose.
I'm fine not to. We're doing this for the retro,
but I'm fine, like, oh, I'll watch this one and
then this one, because other than these last few ones,
they're not a falling, continuing story, right like I do
that with Bond. There are times where like, oh, I
watched the whole Craigar, but there's many times I just
watch GoldenEye and I don't need to watch the other
Pierce ones, right because they're kind of iffy. And that's
something here where I think I gotta be in the
specific mood for this, Even watching it two years apart,
I don't know if I would have done if I
would have other than because the retro and I thought
we were doing it, but I still really enjoy I
think it's a well made movie, so yeah, next we're
talking about Mission Possible too, which yeah, I think is
going to be an interesting conversation. So until next time
it'll not be boring. My