Speaker 1: You see somethings are going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: I think what you.
Speaker 2: Help?
Speaker 3: All right, we're live, well not live, but Nick tell
Speaker 3: us you are what you do and where we can
Speaker 3: find you listen.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for asking me on I
Speaker 2: really appreciate it absolutely. What do I do? I have
Speaker 2: the Occult Rejects podcast. That is a podcast. It's like
Speaker 2: at this point, what it's at now is like a
Speaker 2: conglomerate of a bunch of other podcasts. Wasn't always like that.
Speaker 2: It has probably about a total of almost maybe ten
Speaker 2: people that are part of it. But uh, yeah, the
Speaker 2: Occult Rejects Podcast. We cover occultism, conspiracies, true crime, paranormal
Speaker 2: uh you know, try to tie it to an ocult sense.
Speaker 2: And we got the Occult Research Institute or that is
Speaker 2: a website. Uh you know, just tons and tons of
Speaker 2: different information from different people. But yeah, all of our
Speaker 2: stuff you can find on YouTube, Bitch You Rumble and
Speaker 2: all major podcasts. What about Patreon? Actually, you know what
Speaker 2: we have. We have a Patreon. I mean totally honest
Speaker 2: with you. If you want to sign up with the
Speaker 2: Patreon you can. I think it's five bucks a month
Speaker 2: and you get nothing. It's just a way to donate
Speaker 2: to the show. I think it even says that you
Speaker 2: get nothing. This is a donation, you guys. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I don't like to charge people for stuff, so I'd
Speaker 2: rather just answer donations. That's just going there.
Speaker 3: You go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's awesome. Thank you. All right.
Speaker 3: So first question I like to ask all my guests
Speaker 3: is what got you into this crazy world of high strangeness?
Speaker 3: Like and and I know your story is a good one, yeah,
Speaker 3: but uh yeah what what what brought you to this
Speaker 3: crazy ass world of that we talked about all the time.
Speaker 2: I plan had to take that back to like, oh god,
Speaker 2: almost twenty years ago, I'd say before before I guess
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, twenty ten. Before that, I was I was
Speaker 2: heavily into conspiracy theories. I'd say probably around two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine is when I started getting big into that stuff,
Speaker 2: and I forgot how. I think it was just literally
Speaker 2: a suggestion on YouTube took me to like Project Camelot,
Speaker 2: and somehow I went down like the rabbit hole of
Speaker 2: like conspiracy theories and all this weird shit, and I
Speaker 2: kind of gravitated towards Michael Tassarian, David Iike, Mark Passio,
Speaker 2: oh God, Jordan Maxwell, you know, all those people that
Speaker 2: were big into the occult. And I found it really interesting.
Speaker 2: And I always did believe kind of like in the
Speaker 2: occult of magic as a child. So this stuff interested
Speaker 2: me and I started looking into it, and you know, again,
Speaker 2: I guess for a few years it was just like
Speaker 2: something that I was heavily interested in, and I would
Speaker 2: research a lot of it, and at some point I
Speaker 2: just realized, like, I, you know, I'm following all these orders,
Speaker 2: I'm following all these names, all these people that started
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and I was like, oh, I still
Speaker 2: have zero fucking clue what the hell magic actually is, though,
Speaker 2: So I was like, maybe maybe I can start looking
Speaker 2: at some books and stuff. So I had gotten like
Speaker 2: one book it was like High Magic, or like thirteen
Speaker 2: Lessons or twelve Lessons by Donald Michael Craig, something like that,
Speaker 2: and I checked that out and I was kind of
Speaker 2: interested in it. And there was some stuff of Alista
Speaker 2: Crowley in there, and I knew who he was. I
Speaker 2: knew like stories of him. I did think he was
Speaker 2: in a cult genius regardless of what fucked up shit
Speaker 2: he may have done. So I did like contemplate a
Speaker 2: little bit, like all right, this guy might have stuff
Speaker 2: worth checking out. And eventually I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I want to see if I can actually find a
Speaker 2: place to go to. And I knew somebody who was
Speaker 2: a Freemason because they were both. The guy was also
Speaker 2: into ceremonial magic, and he had if you're gonna try
Speaker 2: to get into ceremonial magic and the Freemasons, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be waiting fucking a long time, he said, before they
Speaker 2: even acknowledged that shit. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm not putting years in for that. And he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: to see if there's like maybe a Golden Doorn or
Speaker 2: an OTO near you. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: maybe the Golden Dorn because I was kind of interested
Speaker 2: in that a little bit because they seemed a little
Speaker 2: bit more academic. I guess there wasn't one near me,
Speaker 2: but when I started looking, I was like, oh, there's
Speaker 2: a fucking Oto lodge twenty minutes away. I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe I could check that out. I mean, it's really
Speaker 2: the only options I got, And eventually I pulled the trigger.
Speaker 2: I contacted them and asked them about coming to visit
Speaker 2: the place, and they had, like all these places have
Speaker 2: like some sort of social media you know, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,
Speaker 2: some way you can get in touch with them, and
Speaker 2: they'll have like some sort of schedule probably for what
Speaker 2: goes on in the lodge. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: they had maybe they suggested or I just decided, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll go to Antic Mass. I think because I
Speaker 2: found it on YouTube and I figured, all right, I
Speaker 2: could watch it on YouTube. I have an idea of
Speaker 2: like what I'm walking into. So uh eventually I made
Speaker 2: it to a Gnostic Mass, and uh, I mean it
Speaker 2: was weird at first too. It did even like kind
Speaker 2: of like, uh, I guess, because you know, I guess
Speaker 2: since you don't show nudity on YouTube. When the tits
Speaker 2: came out in the Gnostic Mass, I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: what the fuck's going on? As this idea shut shit
Speaker 2: like happened, and I remember telling myself, this gets any
Speaker 2: fucking weirder than this. I'm leaving. Yeah, yeah, I'm like
Speaker 2: I'm showing Most people are like, oh, great titties, but
Speaker 2: I'm just like, all right, what the fuck's happening next?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm in like the basement of a building
Speaker 2: in a fucking temple where I'm like fuck, you know,
Speaker 2: so nothing else got weirder. I think the next time
Speaker 2: I went back, it was actually for a class on
Speaker 2: either like making candle magic or some shit. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a Gnostic mass right again, but uh, I went back
Speaker 2: and took it, went back for a class, and I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, this stuff isn't like too bad,
Speaker 2: and like some of the people there were all and
Speaker 2: I noticed there was a lot of people there into
Speaker 2: different stuff, so I was like, this might work out
Speaker 2: for me, just to learn from other people. And I
Speaker 2: guess about that lesson about another five or six years
Speaker 2: until I left. You know, I got sucked in a
Speaker 2: little bit. I didn't drink the kool aid too much,
Speaker 2: but I was you know, you know, I did start
Speaker 2: going and became a little bit more active, and at
Speaker 2: some point around COVID time, I did have like I
Speaker 2: you know, would have a regimen where I would do
Speaker 2: a lot of meditations, chakra work and you know, ritual
Speaker 2: work to believe it or not, almost like every day.
Speaker 2: And eventually at some point I started when I would
Speaker 2: consider having magical experiences and to me, it just didn't
Speaker 2: match my experience at that place. I didn't think the
Speaker 2: people there were heading in the same direction as me.
Speaker 2: And around COVID time, they got all crazy with that shit.
Speaker 2: They they closed their doors, they wouldn't you know, they
Speaker 2: weren't doing anything. And then when they decided that they
Speaker 2: wanted to maybe open back up again, they sent out
Speaker 2: an email saying that ninety three percent, which is funny
Speaker 2: because they used ninety three all the time, ninety three
Speaker 2: percent of the lodge is uncomfortable with going there unless
Speaker 2: they're vaccinated. And I was like, I know, me, Jordan,
Speaker 2: and my friend Adjason, all three of us never got
Speaker 2: this fucking supposed thing that you just took, right, So
Speaker 2: how was it that ninety three percent? Because we all
Speaker 2: would have said, fuck you, that's crazy, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I was just like, this wasn't even
Speaker 2: a real poll, is it, because we didn't get fucking asked, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, now you're just making fucking shit
Speaker 2: up in my opinion. And then they decided to start
Speaker 2: doing zoom meetings and I was like, all right, I'll
Speaker 2: stick with that just to stay active. But even at
Speaker 2: this point, six months prior to COVID or them closing down.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even going anymore because I just didn't I
Speaker 2: didn't feel right there, getting headed in a different direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And then they got crazy with the George
Speaker 2: Floyd shit, and then that was that was what wrapped
Speaker 2: it up. The George Floyd stuff happened. Actually, the George
Speaker 2: Floyd might have actually happened before, like the crazy COVID
Speaker 2: shit with the you gotta be vaccinated, and I was
Speaker 2: already pissed off, but they had a thing for the
Speaker 2: George Floyd shit. They sent out an email and I
Speaker 2: was like, I gotta check this out. I'm gonna join
Speaker 2: the Zoom just for shits and giggles and see what
Speaker 2: the fuck's like. Why are we talking about George Floyd?
Speaker 2: Because we're the Oto, the Oto, and I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: use this an example because it's a perfect example. Is
Speaker 2: a lot like alcoholics anonymous in the sense we're not
Speaker 2: supposed to have shit to say about the outside world
Speaker 2: except what's going on in here. We're only supposed to
Speaker 2: be talking about magic. Fucking politics has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with this. Why the fuck are we getting into this shit?
Speaker 2: And it ended up turning into like almost group therapy,
Speaker 2: like a kumbaya about like who the fuck's experienced racism,
Speaker 2: you know, And I was just like, this is interesting
Speaker 2: considering there's only like fucking two black people on the lodge,
Speaker 2: so like why the fuck and only one of them
Speaker 2: are here, so like what is this about? You know?
Speaker 2: We got white people going around in a circle talking
Speaker 2: about how they saw black being like, I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck is this man? And then I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I'm I don't know about this. And then
Speaker 2: the all of sudden they brought up asking if people
Speaker 2: wanted to start protesting together, and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: what the fuck does this have to do with the
Speaker 2: Oto man? And after that I was like, Yo, this
Speaker 2: is it. Like they're too far left, they're getting involved.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just very weird. I was like, I
Speaker 2: think this shit is my opinion, just my opinion overall.
Speaker 2: I do think the OTO, if it wasn't from inception,
Speaker 2: I do think it's a CIA fucking I think it's
Speaker 2: ran by the CIA at this point. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it's. My opinion is just I've even questioned this
Speaker 2: about the Temple set. I'm just gonna be completely honest
Speaker 2: with you, and especially from having a few of those
Speaker 2: guys on the show, I think the government or the
Speaker 2: CIA gets involved in these places and they realize that
Speaker 2: there are smart motherfuckers in these places, people that I've
Speaker 2: experienced magic, and they actually just like use them as data.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, And maybe they may not even so, man,
Speaker 2: these people may not even know, but I think they're
Speaker 2: being pent out and used by the CIA.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, like I mean that is so I'm just
Speaker 3: putting some stuff together here. So you're saying, like the
Speaker 3: way that they're reacting to a I guess you would
Speaker 3: call it, because I don't like to get political, but
Speaker 3: a more liberal agenda, right, so let's call it that,
Speaker 3: all right. So we're already predisposed to this. But so
Speaker 3: along with that, and I've talked about this on other
Speaker 3: podcasts like Nefhelm de Squad and a couple others where
Speaker 3: we talked about that is this is the the progressive
Speaker 3: or the left's playbook. Is is nudge by cast Sunstein?
Speaker 3: Who and when when we say nudge is just you know,
Speaker 3: it's like the boiling the frog and the boiling water.
Speaker 2: You just turn the heat up a little bit.
Speaker 3: But you're just nudging that person to do exactly what
Speaker 3: you want. The CIA is they they perfected it. Oh
Speaker 3: so yeah, so it wouldn't make it. It's not a
Speaker 3: far jump. It's not a far leap. Pretty soon are
Speaker 3: We're gonna probably have to restart the podcast because we're
Speaker 3: talking about this ship. But you know what I'm saying
Speaker 3: that that is stuff that they are abslite. So that's
Speaker 3: that's a great correlation because it's.
Speaker 2: A they even had a position there. This is another
Speaker 2: thing to add on where I started even thinking, like,
Speaker 2: what's really going on here? What do you start moving
Speaker 2: up in degrees? They're gonna even if you've been there
Speaker 2: for a while, they may start being like, oh, why
Speaker 2: don't you start like kind of doing things. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe the mask you know, get involved. You know, they're
Speaker 2: gonna want you to get involved. And like for me,
Speaker 2: the mass they ask people to get involved a lot.
Speaker 2: I know this may sound silly and cheesy, but like again,
Speaker 2: at some point they would show tits and I'm gona
Speaker 2: just be honest. Most of the again, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I'm going Gods gift to women, but these women I
Speaker 2: really didn't care to see them fucking like that. So
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll get I'll start, I'll start, I'll
Speaker 2: start doing one of the child there's two they called children.
Speaker 2: You're basically representing the pillars and you're following the priest
Speaker 2: and the priestess throughout the ritual. I chose to do
Speaker 2: one of those because when the time comes for the
Speaker 2: priests to take off her shit, I'm actually facing the
Speaker 2: completely different way and looking at everybody else and she's
Speaker 2: behind me. So now now I don't have to worry
Speaker 2: about any uncomfortability, and I'm getting involved and I'm doing
Speaker 2: the easiest fucking thing. I'm walking around with salt water
Speaker 2: and Sultan water or a fucking incense and incense burner,
Speaker 2: you know. So I did that, But eventually they start
Speaker 2: wanting you to do other stuff, and when you get
Speaker 2: to the second degree, you're eligible to start doing like
Speaker 2: you start, you would do skypes with uh God, I
Speaker 2: forgot the fucking dude's name. He's like one of the
Speaker 2: highest ups. He might have been like the outerhead guy.
Speaker 2: I think it was Beto whatever. I forgot as fuck.
Speaker 2: They have silly fucking names. The I thought from someone
Speaker 2: that I had spoke to from another lodge. They said
Speaker 2: that they had that position. They said it was easy,
Speaker 2: and I thought, they said, once a month, you talk
Speaker 2: to the guy and he just gives you, you know, he
Speaker 2: asks you a couple of questions about the lodge and
Speaker 2: what's going on and how everything is. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I think I could do that. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: fucking easy thing to get them off my back. I'll
Speaker 2: do it for a year. When I looked into it,
Speaker 2: it's every week. I was like, what the fuck do
Speaker 2: you need to know about every fucking week inside that lodge? Bro?
Speaker 2: What the fuck are you looking for? You know, you're
Speaker 2: you're looking for data at this point, there's something behind this.
Speaker 2: If every week you want to know, what the like,
Speaker 2: what's the difference from last week? A couple of people
Speaker 2: showed up, somebody showed some fucking titties, and we went home.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, that's a gnostic mess, man.
Speaker 2: We had some we had some fucking cakes, a light,
Speaker 2: we had some fucking wine. Everybody talked shit and we
Speaker 2: went home. What the fuck do you need to know
Speaker 2: about every week? Dude? There's something up with that. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, that's just weird. Yeah, yeah, and I was
Speaker 2: just like, yo, I ain't being a fucking spy before,
Speaker 2: you know, and you want me to start repeating the
Speaker 2: shit I hurt people. Uh, you know, he's dropping her
Speaker 2: fucking weird. It was weird, And I was like, that
Speaker 2: was another one that I was like, I don't know. Oh,
Speaker 2: and another thing. After you do your initiations, eventually a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks later, they'll do a class for the
Speaker 2: people that were there and or people who even attended
Speaker 2: or took the initiation already. If you took the second degree,
Speaker 2: you could come back, you know, three years later. For
Speaker 2: one of those classes, they started telling you things that
Speaker 2: would be needed to move up at certain degrees. And
Speaker 2: at one of them, if you're with somebody, the person's
Speaker 2: got to be in the OTO. And then above that,
Speaker 2: I think it was the seventh or eighth degree, you're
Speaker 2: going to sign over all your shit. But then now
Speaker 2: I had this guy Paul on my show, which I
Speaker 2: do think he might have been telling the truth about this,
Speaker 2: because he was actually saying he doesn't there was somebody
Speaker 2: else I had on my show that was a tenth degree,
Speaker 2: and he says, I don't believe they probably stepped down
Speaker 2: because once you reach tenth degree, all that shit everybody
Speaker 2: else chipped in and fucking gave the order at the
Speaker 2: eighth degree is now yours. Right, So that is a
Speaker 2: fucking cult. You're giving up your shit at the eighth
Speaker 2: degree and if you never go any higher than that,
Speaker 2: you'll never get it back and somebody else owns it.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that? So weird? That is crazy?
Speaker 2: Jo I remember sitting there and they said something about
Speaker 2: like sin oval your property. I was like, yo, and
Speaker 2: I'm like trying to like look at my boy Jordan,
Speaker 2: who like did every fucking initiation with me up to
Speaker 2: that point. I'm like looking at I'm like, Yo, did
Speaker 2: you just fucking hear that? And from that moment on,
Speaker 2: I already knew it was I'm not going to be
Speaker 2: here forever because I'm not doing that shit. That's fucking retarded.
Speaker 2: This is a cult. If you were taking my shit
Speaker 2: at that point, absolutely a cult, fucking while That's why
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, this is not for me. I
Speaker 2: was like, I knew my time was short.
Speaker 3: At that point, right, So what did you move into?
Speaker 2: What do you like? Where did where?
Speaker 3: Where did we go from there? When when you decide
Speaker 3: so around.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even tell you anymore now, yeah, and looking back,
Speaker 2: everything's so like, but uh, I guess getting into the stuff,
Speaker 2: I could say I got heavily into Kabbala. I got
Speaker 2: it too, that Jamatria planetary magic. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's where you're trying to get into, like where did
Speaker 2: they go from? But yeah, yeah, what did I did
Speaker 2: a lot of ritual work. I used to do a
Speaker 2: lot of the uh lesser banishing ritual, the pentagram, the hexagram.
Speaker 2: I would do with a lot of invocations too, but uh,
Speaker 2: daily I would do meditations, I would do chakra work
Speaker 2: and uh breathing techniques and visual visualizations. But I would
Speaker 2: say probably two or three times a day. I still
Speaker 2: did like banishing rituals and ship But I did that
Speaker 2: for years and years and years.
Speaker 3: And where like what what were the effects if any?
Speaker 2: Eventually, at one point I started having like weird experiences
Speaker 2: where I would go into meditations and uh, I all
Speaker 2: the first time it happened when I did, I did
Speaker 2: like my meditations. I would normally do a meditation before
Speaker 2: ritual before like I get into it, just to clear
Speaker 2: my mind, and then I would get into the ritual
Speaker 2: then sometimes when I wanted to, I guess, uh evoke
Speaker 2: whatever I'm doing. I sometimes like in the middle of it,
Speaker 2: I would do another meditation to think about like what
Speaker 2: I'm actually doing. And sometimes I would use the uh
Speaker 2: oh God, what's it called?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: The middle pillow ritual where instead of seven chakras, you'd
Speaker 2: have like really five that you're focusing on, and you're
Speaker 2: supposed to like vibrate certain sounds and picture them and
Speaker 2: then you know all these things that you're supposed to envision,
Speaker 2: and that one I was just kind of like and
Speaker 2: I think I was doing it in an Egyptian too. I
Speaker 2: think I was saying the words an Egyptian. I don't
Speaker 2: know if this makes a difference or not. I started
Speaker 2: doing like the chakra things, and I was focusing on
Speaker 2: my third eye and pushing on it, which I might
Speaker 2: sound crazy for people who don't don't understand that stuff,
Speaker 2: but I was pushing on it, and like all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it was just like I had some sort
Speaker 2: of explosion, and it's like I was in like a
Speaker 2: almost like a high reds, like like I walked into
Speaker 2: a movie. It was very weird and that kind of
Speaker 2: like freaked me out, But it was like it was interesting.
Speaker 2: I had this view that I felt like that I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know why. I just assumed there
Speaker 2: was like a pyramid, because I felt like I was
Speaker 2: inside of a place that had it peaked like a pyramid,
Speaker 2: but the wall was gone and I could see out
Speaker 2: and it just looked like sand everywhere. So in my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is fucking Egypt or wherever. I
Speaker 2: don't know, Yeah, it's a pyramid. And then I started
Speaker 2: thinking about, like, well, where am I? And I started
Speaker 2: thinking like who am I? Because like all I'm seeing
Speaker 2: is just like a vision. I'm not It's not like
Speaker 2: there's anybody attached to it. And it's like, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, my view kind of like swivels around. It's
Speaker 2: like it's like it was like a fucking floating camera
Speaker 2: or something, and it starts to turn around, and like,
Speaker 2: I'm like looking at this like being that's like standing there,
Speaker 2: and it looks like an Egyptian being, like standing in
Speaker 2: a cutoff part of a of a pyramid. And then
Speaker 2: I started to think, I was like, is that mean?
Speaker 2: As soon as I thought that, I woke up, I
Speaker 2: came out of it. That kind of freaked me out,
Speaker 2: weirded me out. I was like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: the fuck that was about, because the weird thing is
Speaker 2: is that it actually seemed extremely detailed, like the grain
Speaker 2: you could almost see the fucking pores and everything really
Speaker 2: like almost sandy believe or not. I've even gone back.
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, it almost looks like, you know,
Speaker 2: they talk about making things out of clay and when
Speaker 2: you start getting into kabala and shit, I'm like that
Speaker 2: almost looked like everything was made out of clay at sand.
Speaker 2: It was weird. So I actually was like, yo, I
Speaker 2: think you're gonna chill out with some of the rituals
Speaker 2: and I think I'm just gonna stick to like basic
Speaker 2: meditation shit and just you know, go back to basics
Speaker 2: and just chill out on that, because I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck that was and it
Speaker 2: wasn't like what I was intending, and it like literally
Speaker 2: was like pretty fucking like intense and realistic to me.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 2: happened in my head. So I was like, chill out.
Speaker 2: And I think about a week later, I was, uh,
Speaker 2: I was meditating and I was going up and down
Speaker 2: on my shakras while I was sitting in a chair
Speaker 2: in the god pose, which is basically just like with
Speaker 2: a straight back and your hands on your legs and
Speaker 2: you're just kind of sitting still. And I was doing
Speaker 2: my meditation, and then I started going in the chakra
Speaker 2: work and I started pushing on like my third eye again,
Speaker 2: and I had noticed that like the dark I would
Speaker 2: push on it, and like, you know, after meditating for
Speaker 2: a while, for people who do that, you might I
Speaker 2: just sound silly, but it's like, twenty minutes in, it's
Speaker 2: gonna seem darker for me than it was five minutes in.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Just after a while, it
Speaker 2: seems to get darker and darker. Maybe your eyes aren't
Speaker 2: paying attention, like what's going on outside or whatever. It
Speaker 2: would get pretty dark. But I was realizing when I
Speaker 2: was pushing on the pineal gland, it would almost make
Speaker 2: it look like in the middle of my vision, like
Speaker 2: it got even darker to where it almost looked like
Speaker 2: like in like oil coming up out of the ground
Speaker 2: and starting to like spread out. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is interesting, So I'm going with it. You know what,
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I'm still pressing on it, and it
Speaker 2: turns totally black, and it starts to look like almost
Speaker 2: real fine lines of like colors from like a thermal cam.
Speaker 2: But it was like thin burning lines, like like rainbow,
Speaker 2: almost like from a rainbow slick of oil in a road.
Speaker 2: It almost looks like that coming out from the edges.
Speaker 2: And then it just totally goes black, as black as
Speaker 2: you are, way black than it was before. And then
Speaker 2: it almost starts to look like water like it almost
Speaker 2: starts to look like it's like moving. And I have
Speaker 2: even wondered, as crazy as it sounds, when we get
Speaker 2: into it more, maybe you'll see why I was wondering
Speaker 2: about that. But I had even thought like, is that
Speaker 2: actually not moving? And is there some sort of like light,
Speaker 2: because if you shine light on something in a certain way,
Speaker 2: you can make it look like it's waving even though
Speaker 2: it's not. Of course, you know, it's just so I
Speaker 2: see that going on, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: it just stops, like like complete like it just turned
Speaker 2: to ice. And then all of a sudden, I see
Speaker 2: this white fucking burning dot like and this sounds crazy,
Speaker 2: even though I'm in my own head. It looks like
Speaker 2: it's like there's distance inside my head between me and this.
Speaker 2: I would call it a blazing star, because I do
Speaker 2: question if this was what Crowley's actually talking about. I
Speaker 2: would see this burning white light and I would just
Speaker 2: hold on to it, and like if I wasn't pressing
Speaker 2: on my pineal gland and just sound crazy, almost making
Speaker 2: my eyes cross eyed by looking up towards my pineal
Speaker 2: gland with my eyes closed, I would lose it. This
Speaker 2: just sound crazy. It's almost like I had to lock
Speaker 2: on with my eyes in the pineal gland and hold
Speaker 2: on to this dot and then it will just stay.
Speaker 2: And then it starts to get bigger too. And then
Speaker 2: like as it's getting bigger, it's like you see it
Speaker 2: almost like this black smoke starts swirlling around and turns
Speaker 2: into a sphere in front of the white light. So
Speaker 2: now as it starts to get bigger, it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: this is an eclipse now, which is what's on my
Speaker 2: logo all over the shit that right, So now I
Speaker 2: got this big eclipse just like fucking coming up, and
Speaker 2: it's in my vision and all these from the like
Speaker 2: four cardinal angles, it would have directions, colors start coming out,
Speaker 2: and it starts to spin and starts to look like
Speaker 2: a swaped like I'm just gonna keep it real, and
Speaker 2: it starts to spin and all these lines look like
Speaker 2: it's reverberating out. Now, So I got this big eclipse
Speaker 2: in front of me and these like those fluorescent colored
Speaker 2: lines again that looks like like a thermal camera something like.
Speaker 2: It's like burning colors, something I have never seen with
Speaker 2: my eyes open. That's another thing. All this stuff looks
Speaker 2: way different than if I have my eyes open. It's
Speaker 2: hard to explain, but it's so they're reverberating out and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, it starts looking like fucking
Speaker 2: explosions or something like around it, like are orange and red.
Speaker 2: And then at some point the explosions almost start to
Speaker 2: look I's seen it sound weird, and that's why I
Speaker 2: use it on one of my logos. It almost starts
Speaker 2: to look like roses blooming and opening up around the eclipse.
Speaker 2: And then it's like, so I'm watching this and I'm
Speaker 2: still focusing and like my opinion, I'm like, yo, this
Speaker 2: this is a great fucking free movie I'm watching right now.
Speaker 2: I'm not I Swear to God, I'm not thinking, like
Speaker 2: really anything about this besides like, oh, this is some
Speaker 2: pretty fucking cool, wicked shit I'm seeing right now with
Speaker 2: my eyes closed. Swear to God, I'm not thinking anything
Speaker 2: insane about this. I was even like, hell, this would
Speaker 2: have been cold to fucking stone, you know. So I'm watching,
Speaker 2: I'm watching this ship, and now all of a sudden
Speaker 2: that shit goes away, and I start getting like all
Speaker 2: these all these geometric shapes like spinning, like sacred geometry,
Speaker 2: spinning around the fucking eclipse, and it almost like like
Speaker 2: flashing past me and like spinning and all this shit,
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, this is fucking crazy, you know.
Speaker 2: And then I see that it goes for a while
Speaker 2: and then all of them sudden it stops. And then
Speaker 2: this is like when I was like, Yo, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: If you see my logo, it looks like movie reels
Speaker 2: coming out of the eclipse. Now, now, if you were
Speaker 2: to like take away making it look like a movie
Speaker 2: rail and just had windows that were separated from each
Speaker 2: other and looked like they were just going past you
Speaker 2: like this, that's exactly what starts happening. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: these these windows that look like they're like Sepias cellophane.
Speaker 2: They almost look like like it's like kind of like tinted,
Speaker 2: but you can't see it clearly, and you just see
Speaker 2: these windows across your cycleing really slow, and it looks like,
Speaker 2: I swear to god, I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 2: it is different times or places or something, but like
Speaker 2: every one of them has a different image in it.
Speaker 2: And one time I actually was interested in them, because
Speaker 2: this has happened to me multiple times. For some reason,
Speaker 2: I was thinking, what's in that window? Well, what's in
Speaker 2: that And it's weird. It's like again, when I have
Speaker 2: this vision, I don't have a body. I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I'm just witnessing something. Technically, it feels like, so I'd
Speaker 2: be thinking, like, what's in that window? And it's like
Speaker 2: my vision starts moving close to it and then turns
Speaker 2: to the side and like looks into it, and I'm
Speaker 2: looking at it. I'm like, yo, that looks like was
Speaker 2: that Arizona or is that a nuclear fallout? Because it
Speaker 2: just looked like nothing, like just barren land. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: for some reason, I thought inside my head, this is
Speaker 2: a thought that came to my head. This doesn't look
Speaker 2: like a place that I want to visit. I don't know,
Speaker 2: for some reason, maybe it was an option, I don't know,
Speaker 2: And as soon as I thought that, it came right
Speaker 2: out of it. But other times when I just kind
Speaker 2: of let the things go, if I let them go
Speaker 2: at that point and just keep going and the eclips
Speaker 2: like almost starts to get brighter, I'll start feeling physical
Speaker 2: feelings even within my body. At that point, I'll start
Speaker 2: getting like almost like a trembling in my feet. And
Speaker 2: it's almost as if as the trembling moves up. Let's say,
Speaker 2: the trembling starts at my feet, by the time I
Speaker 2: got to my knees, everything below my knees, it doesn't
Speaker 2: even feel like it's there anymore. Is that if as
Speaker 2: if it blew away or doesn't even exist, or I'm
Speaker 2: like erasing my code or some shit, kind of like
Speaker 2: Tron But do you see the guy getting zafted into
Speaker 2: the computer. It's almost like that, right, It's like all
Speaker 2: that shit it's getting exact it's gone, and you know,
Speaker 2: so it starts to go up towards closer to like
Speaker 2: my stomach now, and it's like almost like I could
Speaker 2: feel like everything maybe in me is starting to build up,
Speaker 2: and then it gets to like up in my head,
Speaker 2: and at one point, like right out the back of
Speaker 2: the right where they put the fucking yamica. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that has something to do with it. It
Speaker 2: literally feels like I'm starting to like fucking burst out
Speaker 2: of the top of my head. And then at that
Speaker 2: point it feels like it sounds crazy like water or
Speaker 2: electricity is something. It just starts flowing from the bottom
Speaker 2: of all way up and it feels like, like I've
Speaker 2: explained it like this, if you were like laying on
Speaker 2: the beach and the waves crashed and the water started
Speaker 2: rolling up, rolling up the sand, I guess somehow. Let's say,
Speaker 2: if your feet, the bottom of your feet were cut
Speaker 2: open and the water could run through your body, it
Speaker 2: was just if it just kept flowing right through you.
Speaker 2: And that started happening. And then as it blew up
Speaker 2: like out of my head right before that, as this
Speaker 2: is happening, those screens away, and all I see is
Speaker 2: just the eclipse all by itself. And then it starts
Speaker 2: to come apart, but not from like right to left
Speaker 2: like we normally see, just like Toast's headdress with the
Speaker 2: crescent moon in the sun. It starts to separate, and
Speaker 2: it looks just like that for a few seconds. You
Speaker 2: see more of the white crescent of the white and
Speaker 2: the black moving, and then all of a sudden, it
Speaker 2: completely separates and it goes away and you have this
Speaker 2: glowing white light, and all of a sudden, it's like, phew.
Speaker 2: It's as if like someone put a trigger up to
Speaker 2: your head and pulled it. You see this, and like
Speaker 2: literally feels like the pressure that I have been pushing
Speaker 2: on my third eye that whole time, Like all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it switched polarity, and now everything that I've
Speaker 2: been pushing is now coming back at me. And all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's like you even feel like something
Speaker 2: in my third eye around my head like crack or explode,
Speaker 2: and like all of a sudden, it was just complete
Speaker 2: white light. And then I felt as if like I
Speaker 2: burst into like a thousand butterflies, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it felt like my whole body and my whole self
Speaker 2: just started stretching the fuck out and fluttering. And then
Speaker 2: like I just is gonna sound crazy, but like I've
Speaker 2: wondered about what the pictures NASA is showing you, because
Speaker 2: that's basically the shit that I saw when I was
Speaker 2: out there, right, it's gonna look like it looked like
Speaker 2: a lot of like out of space to me, and
Speaker 2: you're not there, but like he's even at one point
Speaker 2: it felt like a little bit like two thousand and
Speaker 2: one where they're showing the ending and they're showing like
Speaker 2: that plane and everything like kind of like stretching out.
Speaker 2: It almost literally felt like that I was just being
Speaker 2: stretched down to the fabric of reality. But like as
Speaker 2: that was happening, all I felt was this feeling that
Speaker 2: normally what I would express here as love, but a
Speaker 2: million times more intense. And like I've said this before,
Speaker 2: no matter what drug or no matter what nut you bust,
Speaker 2: it is never gonna feel the same as this. It
Speaker 2: is something that I've never end those feelings that I experienced,
Speaker 2: I have never felt them before except for this experience.
Speaker 2: And long story short, after I had this experience, I
Speaker 2: had it a few more times, and from doing it,
Speaker 2: eventually he did end up in the hospital. I made
Speaker 2: a picture about it and put it up recently, and
Speaker 2: I have said this for the last fucking four years.
Speaker 2: When I fuck with magic, my one pupil blows up
Speaker 2: and the other one gets small. Same fucking thing. The
Speaker 2: liver King's acting out on me. That's what You fuck
Speaker 2: with magic enough, you will act like him. You will
Speaker 2: act like Kanye West. You'll turn into Joe Biden. That
Speaker 2: is my opinion. Those people are fucking with magic and
Speaker 2: that eyeball shit is a side effect of one of them.
Speaker 2: I had that happen to me. Doctors had zero fucking
Speaker 2: clue what was wrong. Because I said, your eyesight's still good.
Speaker 2: They had me go see a specialist. But when I
Speaker 2: was in the hospital, they were saying that either whatever
Speaker 2: I was experiencing was Mike. But I also had an
Speaker 2: issue with my fucking blood. My hemoglobein was jacked up
Speaker 2: to nineteen point six. They said it's basically sludge. They
Speaker 2: had to give me blood and they had to give
Speaker 2: me a bag of sailing. So what I'm trying to
Speaker 2: get at too, I do think there is actually something
Speaker 2: in your blood. Maybe it's like that Star Wars shit
Speaker 2: where you got this whatever they call that crab medical
Speaker 2: or whatever, but there's something. I had an issue with
Speaker 2: that and my eyes and even now if I fuck
Speaker 2: with that shit or sometimes I can bring myself. I'll
Speaker 2: bring myself to the eclipse and the movies coming. But
Speaker 2: I won't let myself blast off, not all the time.
Speaker 2: Even if I do that. When I open up my eyes,
Speaker 2: I've even shown pictures on Twitter, my pupils will change.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you think about Horace, the aion of Horace,
Speaker 2: what does he do? He fights and flies? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: getting flight and fight both eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, man, I've had similar experience answers uh when I
Speaker 3: took psilocybin.
Speaker 2: I can see see that's what freaks me out about
Speaker 2: doing any of that. Ship now said, actually, what is
Speaker 2: gonna happen to me if I take that?
Speaker 3: But with psilocybin. And I don't know about the eyes though,
Speaker 3: But I mean psilocybin is a long haul.
Speaker 2: That's a I mean not.
Speaker 3: Like a long haul but a few hours.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And and and you you're feeling stuff and seeing stuff
Speaker 3: and talking to stuff. Had a full blown conversation with
Speaker 3: a cardinal.
Speaker 2: Will Yeah, like.
Speaker 3: Crazy, And I get I understand the rose I understand
Speaker 3: the roses.
Speaker 2: Uh. So I used to also do uh a practice called.
Speaker 3: I don't really I haven't really done it in a
Speaker 3: long time, but uh, coherent breathing it's called uh and
Speaker 3: it's very focusing and and you're visualizing things coming.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that is important your head or vice versa. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I think that is very important. So uh so, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's it's so confusing, right, and you especially
Speaker 3: as people that want to like I, I feel inherently
Speaker 3: like a good person and I don't want to tap
Speaker 3: into anything not good, right, But it's super confusing because
Speaker 3: it feels and it doesn't feel good, Like you said that,
Speaker 3: that feeling of love that is also the feeling that
Speaker 3: people that have near death experiences.
Speaker 2: I was going to get into people that.
Speaker 3: Like, how does how does that you know, how does
Speaker 3: that focus in on NDEs? How does that come into
Speaker 3: every time people see the light?
Speaker 2: It's just love?
Speaker 3: But is it a counterfeit or is that the same experience? Right?
Speaker 3: It's one of those things again, This is one of
Speaker 3: those one of those times I say that we don't
Speaker 3: know shit. We don't know shit about anything, and we're
Speaker 3: way outside our depth and we can interpret it the
Speaker 3: way that we think we can.
Speaker 2: But unless you've been I think I think we've been
Speaker 2: sold a sham of what reality actually is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like so it's like one of those things
Speaker 3: like where do you go with that? Man?
Speaker 2: Like, where does you go to? Where do you go
Speaker 2: with that? That's well, that was exactly how I started
Speaker 2: the podcast, I guess, right.
Speaker 3: And so it's funny how this, you know, went into
Speaker 3: that because my literal question was like those unfamiliar with
Speaker 3: the co rejects, what inspired you just start the podcast?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And what does the name truly mean to you? That's
Speaker 3: exactly what I've written down.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, Now, because I had that experience, I was
Speaker 2: just like, this is another thing too, and this is
Speaker 2: gonna sound so fucking corny, and I know it does,
Speaker 2: or maybe some people don't think it is. I don't
Speaker 2: know who cares, but it's very much it's gonna sound silly,
Speaker 2: very much like the Matrix. Now, I'm not gonna wake
Speaker 2: up and be like, oh, I know, Kung Fu, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like Neo and he's like, Hey,
Speaker 2: you're going to open up your eyes and no stuff
Speaker 2: you didn't know prior. You're gonna open up your eyes
Speaker 2: and understand things that have confused you before. There was
Speaker 2: times you know them, you know them here. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like it's a knowing. It's like you're being told like
Speaker 2: you know now. It's not even like I think it
Speaker 2: is a fucking knowing to where it's almost like I've
Speaker 2: had visions to where it's just like you see all
Speaker 2: these all like these visions or all these like tarot
Speaker 2: cards or all this stuff, and it's like, for some reason,
Speaker 2: the way it's being strung along and you're visualizing it,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, I see what it's showing me.
Speaker 2: It's fucking weird.
Speaker 3: And not I'm not going to cut you off and
Speaker 3: go down some rabbit hole. But like I know people.
Speaker 3: So I've I've had a experience where I died, but I.
Speaker 2: Didn't have it.
Speaker 3: I didn't have a traditional ND like you know, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't remember a damn thing right. But I woke
Speaker 3: up and I just know shit and I can do shit.
Speaker 3: So like I have enough, so I I feel energy
Speaker 3: and I see it. Oh, I can see people's auras
Speaker 3: and stuff. I can tell when something's wrong. I can
Speaker 3: all these things, but I.
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything.
Speaker 3: Like so I had an experience, but I didn't have
Speaker 3: an experience. And I've met other folks that have had
Speaker 3: I call them non any NDEs, but they but they
Speaker 3: definitely died right and then you know, had to either
Speaker 3: get resuscitated in some form or fashion. They don't remember anything,
Speaker 3: but now they can walk into a house and know
Speaker 3: like if there's good or bad energy there, right, and
Speaker 3: like in their gut, like they feel it that there's
Speaker 3: remnants of that whatever the fuck that is. There's remnants
Speaker 3: that have been pulled or opened whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know. So anyway, it was great, you know,
Speaker 2: it was weird, like just another thing like even like
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if like things change in
Speaker 2: a person after they have these experiences. One of the
Speaker 2: reasons I even had sent myself to the hospital is
Speaker 2: besides that feeling good, because my body just felt like
Speaker 2: it was like a battery about to explode. I was
Speaker 2: like feeling like okay, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: let me drive two blocks of maybe three blocks down
Speaker 2: the road to the park and let me just walk
Speaker 2: around get outside. Yeah, like touch touch ground. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: walking around to it. And it's like, Yo, this is
Speaker 2: gonna sound fucking insane. There would be somebody like me, well,
Speaker 2: eventually would turn into the person. It would be like
Speaker 2: somebody walking their dog down the fucking like down farther
Speaker 2: to the walkway in the park, and it looks like
Speaker 2: light fucking shooting up from the fucking ground, like turning
Speaker 2: into a two dimensional picture and then popping into three D.
Speaker 2: And I was like, Yo, what the fuck is wrong
Speaker 2: with me?
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't take anything. Yeah yo.
Speaker 2: And that was another thing too. I swear this di
Speaker 2: gonna sound crazy. I didn't start smoking weed again until
Speaker 2: COVID because I was like, oo, if I gotta fucking
Speaker 2: go out in the world and deal with these fucking
Speaker 2: crazy motherfuckers, I'm gonna have to start smoking again. I
Speaker 2: literally quit smoking weed for about fifteen years. So I
Speaker 2: wasn't even stoned when I was doing these rituals, so
Speaker 2: like there was no drugs or alcohol even involved when
Speaker 2: I when I had these crazy effects, these magical experiences,
Speaker 2: So that was even nothing. I can't even choke it
Speaker 2: up to the fucking weed. I was like, I was
Speaker 2: so between this shit. Yeah, so uh yeah. So like
Speaker 2: even just that like just seeing things differently, things things
Speaker 2: started coming into my head that I was just like, Yo,
Speaker 2: I believed it to be true, and I was like,
Speaker 2: if this is real, everything I've been told is a
Speaker 2: fucking lot about our existence, Like, are you start even
Speaker 2: thinking if what I even experience is what I think
Speaker 2: it is? This isn't we've been believed to think that
Speaker 2: this isn't normal possible? You know. One of the things
Speaker 2: I do want to get into with you, and it's
Speaker 2: something that I do when I have an opportunity, I
Speaker 2: do like to try to push this aspect because I
Speaker 2: do think it's truthful and if you're going to get
Speaker 2: involved in the shit, I think people should understand what
Speaker 2: the fuck they're really playing with. But when it comes
Speaker 2: to magic, magic magic, like really my experience, I think
Speaker 2: you are separating your soul from your body, and I
Speaker 2: do think in a sense you are actually having an NDE.
Speaker 2: The movie, my opinion, the movie flat Liners is real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is real because in a sense, I would just say,
Speaker 2: let's say me and you had that experience through meditation.
Speaker 2: We just did it in a natural way. Their way
Speaker 2: is a hat, cheat code or a hack. You know,
Speaker 2: they're using drugs and they're you know, trying to keep
Speaker 2: themselves out for a certain amount of time. We go
Speaker 2: into a meditation and we just click out here and
Speaker 2: there and then come back. I do believe that, as
Speaker 2: crazy as it sounds, if you really want to fuck
Speaker 2: with magic and you want to have those same experiences,
Speaker 2: you are actually fucking with life and death. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: not trying to like sound crazier grift like, oh I
Speaker 2: got bigger bulls and the motherfucker I had no idea
Speaker 2: what was happening at first. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And if you haven't watched that movie, it's an older movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Flatliners watch it. It'll make your head explode a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 2: And every time they wake up like don't they understand
Speaker 2: and no different shit kind of and then it ends
Speaker 2: up turning bad, Yeah, because they start up using it
Speaker 2: and doing it over and over again. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You end up turning into Kanye West.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, like wow, like just the correlations and the
Speaker 3: and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's man. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I even think like if you start shit, you start
Speaker 4: I think entertaining certain stuff and keeping the whole death
Speaker 4: and rebirth as literal, I think a lot.
Speaker 2: Of things might actually start making more sense in the
Speaker 2: occult when you start actually wanting to entertain them. That
Speaker 2: might actually be literal and not just the phrase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it just shows you how fine the line is, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like to step over.
Speaker 2: It doesn't take much. No, I mean and that too.
Speaker 2: Uh never you not comparing myself to Jesus, but I
Speaker 2: mean even that guy Smully said he died too to
Speaker 2: have this experience, right, I mean they're telling you in
Speaker 2: religious books, this guy had to die to have that experience. Yep.
Speaker 2: That the death thing. And because of those experiences is
Speaker 2: what made me start to end my problems with my eyeballs,
Speaker 2: started making me think, what the fuck's up with the
Speaker 2: eyes and this shit? And that's when I started looking
Speaker 2: into the eyeballs and like really looking into them, like
Speaker 2: pictures of them and learning how they work, and like
Speaker 2: looking at certain things, and I was just like, yo,
Speaker 2: this is all There's a lot of occult symbolism in here.
Speaker 2: And then eventually ended up doing like a five or
Speaker 2: six part series that I honestly wish I could redo
Speaker 2: now because it probably be like two hundred times better,
Speaker 2: just because me and the people on the show have
Speaker 2: like learned so much more since then. But in my opinion,
Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest secrets of secrets in
Speaker 2: occult symbolism is actually they do my opinion, the Catholic Church,
Speaker 2: especially during the Renaissance time. That's all those motherfuckers were
Speaker 2: doing was creating, like you're building shit or making stuff
Speaker 2: that was just representing the inside of your eyeball on
Speaker 2: what's going on during a magical experience. Yeah, a lot
Speaker 2: of it seems like it to me. I mean even
Speaker 2: certain siguls you start looking at, You're like, wow, that's
Speaker 2: exactly how light reflects off of your lens. Like even
Speaker 2: the all you know, Madete, I have the universal hexagram
Speaker 2: on my arm. Depending on what your lens is doing.
Speaker 2: At some point, it looks like that the Hubble telescope
Speaker 2: reflects their light like that inside of it, the same
Speaker 2: makes a universal hexagram in order to see the stars. Supposedly,
Speaker 2: that's what the light reflection is off the mirror is
Speaker 2: inside of the telescope to see that something's up with that.
Speaker 2: It's not all just Dixon demons.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so like yeah, like I mean people try
Speaker 3: to make this still black and white. Yeah, literally right,
Speaker 3: when it's so much of it's just gray. So it's
Speaker 3: like in your research though, like what's the relationship between
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out I guess spiritual warfare, let's
Speaker 3: call it that, and a cult ritual, like how much
Speaker 3: of what we're seeing is physical versus metaphysical in nature?
Speaker 2: Right, I think when it comes to ritual stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: this is really the best answer. Eventually I started having
Speaker 2: these experiences without doing any rituals. But I do think
Speaker 2: some of that this does sound crazy, and the LBRP
Speaker 2: especially and maybe even the hexagram. I actually do think
Speaker 2: you are mimicking your eyebles movements to have a magical experience.
Speaker 2: It's gonna sound crazy, but like I do your eyeball,
Speaker 2: your pupil will open up from the four cardinal directions,
Speaker 2: but when it closes, it screws closed. And a fun
Speaker 2: fact for people to may not know this, and a
Speaker 2: question if this is why Croley even said magic is
Speaker 2: in the asshole or magic is in the butt. But
Speaker 2: your pupil is the same muscle inside your asshole, the
Speaker 2: sphinxter muscle. That's why it twists closed. So technically your
Speaker 2: asshole is in your eye. I guess, so.
Speaker 3: That will that will screw closed eyes and assholes, right,
Speaker 3: everybody's got so that will spin closed.
Speaker 2: So now in the ritual, you're going to the four
Speaker 2: cardinal directions and you're basically, you know, taking control of
Speaker 2: that area. And as you're doing that, and you're in
Speaker 2: your black robe, like your pupil spinning closed, and then
Speaker 2: you're even getting rid of light pulling it in. It spins,
Speaker 2: and some people will put salt around their circle, your
Speaker 2: area serrata, you'll start to grow crystal crystalline stuff around
Speaker 2: it too, it says, I know this sounds crazy, but
Speaker 2: I do think in some of those rituals you're actually
Speaker 2: showing either opening or closing of the pupil, which then
Speaker 2: starts to dictate light, which is exactly what you're supposed
Speaker 2: to be doing in those fucking things. I know that
Speaker 2: sounds crazy, but I think a lot of ritual stuff
Speaker 2: like put it this way, after my opinion, after I
Speaker 2: had a magical experience, I realized, for me, this is
Speaker 2: where you really, I think, have to make a decision,
Speaker 2: or this is where I think I will judged by God.
Speaker 2: Is a little hard, but I don't want to use
Speaker 2: that phrase. But it's the easiest thing for pyb most
Speaker 2: people to understand. But at that point, this is where
Speaker 2: I think it matters who the fuck I am because
Speaker 2: either I am going to go back and tell people
Speaker 2: about my experience and how you can have one too,
Speaker 2: or I'm going to use this experience to manipulate motherfuckers
Speaker 2: and get mine. Yeah, because I think after you have
Speaker 2: that experience, you know exactly who the fuck you are
Speaker 2: and how the fuck your mind works and what fear
Speaker 2: throw shackles on you. For me, I had to do
Speaker 2: that was a big thing. I did a lot of
Speaker 2: shadow work before this experience. I started looking at my
Speaker 2: own mind and started figuring out why am I run
Speaker 2: on certain fears? Where the fuck did I get those from?
Speaker 2: Do I even agree with that shit anymore? And I
Speaker 2: just feel that, uh fuck, I figure ou where it
Speaker 2: was going with that. Oh, that you will start to
Speaker 2: realize it is it when you start to For me,
Speaker 2: when I started realizing what controlled me, You're like, this
Speaker 2: is every other person in the world. It's just somebody
Speaker 2: has little buttons that maybe you have to push a
Speaker 2: little bit harder. You'll know how to manipulate and make
Speaker 2: a motherfucker fear something, love something, or hate something. And
Speaker 2: I do think that after this experience, it was just
Speaker 2: like for me, it's just like you're like, Yo, this
Speaker 2: is a where do you go from here? And that
Speaker 2: was even some of the reasons why I even kind
Speaker 2: of chilled out on doing this shit, because it's just like,
Speaker 2: at some point after doing this and am I just
Speaker 2: gonna be like you know when I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: choose the asshole this time? Yeah, like you gotta yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was like, like, you got to a point
Speaker 3: where you uncovered something that made you stop digging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was enough and now yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Like, uh, let me let me ask you though, have
Speaker 3: you ever felt like when you're in a state, let's
Speaker 3: call it that, where you're being that you feel like
Speaker 3: you're being watched?
Speaker 2: I felt like that afterwards, Believe it or not. It
Speaker 2: was something that even made me feel like that, like, uh,
Speaker 2: somehow the people may have known that I had that experience, right,
Speaker 2: it's just really weird to that And it was one
Speaker 2: of the reasons why I didn't even want to go
Speaker 2: back to the place anymore. I know, it's gonna sound crazy,
Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't want anybody even picking
Speaker 2: up on it because I was a little confused about
Speaker 2: what the fuck happened. I don't need some sick fuck
Speaker 2: telling me what my experience was. And then I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Okay, that sounds great and I want
Speaker 2: to believe that. And before you know what, I'm being
Speaker 2: pimped out of mind talked by somebody at the lodge.
Speaker 3: Because then, you know what happened tonight, like in Danger.
Speaker 2: I did feel all that after an experience. Again, these
Speaker 2: are the reasons why I didn't even want to go back.
Speaker 2: I just felt like there was like I just wasn't
Speaker 2: a safe place. Yeah yeah, right, like or somebody knew
Speaker 2: or somebody knew there that something happened. I was like,
Speaker 2: I just don't want to go back. I'm good on
Speaker 2: my own, thank you. So, So what that's funny.
Speaker 3: I podcast is called broadcasting seeds. And you know what
Speaker 3: I do, man, You've you've talked, You've talked, and so
Speaker 3: I just like to plant seeds in people's minds and
Speaker 3: make them think about shit.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So, so for someone getting started to wake up to
Speaker 3: this type of stuff right.
Speaker 2: In the world, and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Where you're coming from, doesn't really matter because you're everyone's
Speaker 3: coming from somewhere. You're talking religion, we're talking you know, good, bad, ugly,
Speaker 3: all of it right, even spiritually dangerous.
Speaker 2: Some people will look.
Speaker 3: At it in that aspect, right, Any rules, it's my
Speaker 3: military background. Any rules of engagement. Oh, like I had
Speaker 3: that that that you can share just to so people
Speaker 3: are safe. Man.
Speaker 2: Like, for one, you know, this is something I even
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to get into. And I think maybe
Speaker 2: it's a little bit teetering what you were asking about too.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, when it comes to magic, if you
Speaker 2: want to start getting into black and white magic, and
Speaker 2: I even think that's like, you know, not the best
Speaker 2: way to explain it. I think it's what I was
Speaker 2: doing at one point. Yes, I was very interested in
Speaker 2: trying to control and run the world around me. And
Speaker 2: at some point when I started getting into more of
Speaker 2: the whole spiritual stuff, and believe it or not, when
Speaker 2: I got into kabbala war, I started getting much more
Speaker 2: into the idea of God and trying to figure that
Speaker 2: out in my existence. I was more focused on me
Speaker 2: changing so I can have a magical experience with God.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, if you want to get into white
Speaker 2: and black or manipulating or not, I think that is
Speaker 2: a difference that instead of pushing my will onto the
Speaker 2: world around me, I'm just trying to change myself to
Speaker 2: have an experience with God. Those are two totally different things.
Speaker 2: I think. Yes, I would say, if you really want
Speaker 2: to get into magic and playing with that stuff, you're
Speaker 2: going to have to look at yourself. It's very much
Speaker 2: psychled social. It's not all as glamorous as you know.
Speaker 2: Everybody would probably say who's has half an experience or
Speaker 2: know what they're doing. Your first things you're going to
Speaker 2: do is learn to meditate. That doesn't sound fucking fun
Speaker 2: to anybody. You know, You're gonna have to learn to
Speaker 2: live inside your own head, just crazy as it sounds.
Speaker 2: And I've even said it on the show, and I said,
Speaker 2: if it stops people from listening, you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: stop possibly listening to ten fucking podcasts a day because
Speaker 2: you don't want to be stuck in your own head
Speaker 2: listening to your own fucking words. You're gonna have to
Speaker 2: figure out why do I not like hearing my own head? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you may have to actually learn to deal with that.
Speaker 2: I believe it or not. What I'm getting at is
Speaker 2: is not all like a rituals and glamorous shit. You're
Speaker 2: gonna have to I think actually if you want to
Speaker 2: do the right thing and help out this world, it's
Speaker 2: gonna have to be much more on changing you so
Speaker 2: you can finally hear God's voice. And my opinion, when
Speaker 2: that happens, you're supposed to share that with people, yeah,
Speaker 2: and will help them have their own experience. And again,
Speaker 2: like when I'm saying, I do think if you're going
Speaker 2: to have that experience, you're gonna have to entertain you
Speaker 2: might have to kind of die in a sense, And
Speaker 2: I do believe it is possible that if you make
Speaker 2: that sacrifice, you may not come back. And not trying
Speaker 2: to make that sound glamorous or edgy or you know whatever,
Speaker 2: it's just it's the truth. So you really should think
Speaker 2: about what you're going to embark on. If you really
Speaker 2: want to fuck with that ship, you know, you could
Speaker 2: you could get into it in a wick away and
Speaker 2: maybe just have some some fun and make it entertaining
Speaker 2: or you know whatever. But if you really want to
Speaker 2: fuck with that ship and understand how the people are
Speaker 2: running this world, you're gonna have to do things. But
Speaker 2: in ninety three percent of the population ain't willing to
Speaker 2: do yeah, you know, and then you're still gonna have
Speaker 2: to worry about what am I going to do with
Speaker 2: this understanding that I have now that I haven't had? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, you're going have to make sure you're
Speaker 2: a very good person before you even get which is
Speaker 2: the shadow way.
Speaker 3: So I guess kind of the next thing it's like
Speaker 3: at this time in our world, right, are we more
Speaker 3: in like a mass spiritual awakening or are more people
Speaker 3: deeper control?
Speaker 2: I think both is coming. Actually, I think the people
Speaker 2: who are NPCs as sheep are just gonna fucking get
Speaker 2: even worse. And I think there's going to be a
Speaker 2: few It's starting to happen now. And I mean just
Speaker 2: even from my experience at the Cosmic Summit, even minus
Speaker 2: the stuff I told you about from the templars, just
Speaker 2: the stuff that is being entertained scientifically, and even just
Speaker 2: how people are starting to go places and research stuff.
Speaker 2: I this may sound silly, but I do think we're
Speaker 2: on the precipice of like another occult renaissance. And I
Speaker 2: think it's actually very important that either we we do
Speaker 2: it die at this point, you know. But I do
Speaker 2: think it's gonna happen. I do think stuff is going
Speaker 2: to start coming out where the mass population is gonna
Speaker 2: have to start questioning what the fuck is like. Maybe
Speaker 2: we haven't under really understood everything that we've been told.
Speaker 2: Maybe this world is a little bit more magical. It
Speaker 2: will pibly be presented in a scientific way, which I
Speaker 2: think is probably the easiest way for humans to be
Speaker 2: able to accept shit's a little bit weirder than we
Speaker 2: thought because science told us right. But the thing is,
Speaker 2: if you saw looking at some of the weird shit
Speaker 2: scientists are even getting into, if magicians or ocultists were
Speaker 2: to talk to each other, if they're to drop their
Speaker 2: fucking egos on both sides and actually talk to each other,
Speaker 2: they changed the fucking world in a few years because
Speaker 2: they're both looking at the same shit. So I do
Speaker 2: think at some point, even people like myself, I luckily
Speaker 2: come across people that are like kind of in the
Speaker 2: academic world to take shit for some reason out of
Speaker 2: my mouth serious that like, they are starting to see that,
Speaker 2: like there is a correlation here, and I see it
Speaker 2: happening with more people, And I do think we're we're
Speaker 2: at a spot that I think eventually, hopefully within the
Speaker 2: next year or two, I think we will start understanding
Speaker 2: more stuff or we're gonna perish and just get even worse.
Speaker 2: But I do think we actually, I do think I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think positive. Even when I was at the
Speaker 2: Cosmic Summit, minus all the fucking templars and the Freemasons,
Speaker 2: but minus all that some of the stuff that was
Speaker 2: actually being entertained from an occultist angle, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: I can't like this. This is actually promising some of
Speaker 2: this stuff, you know, because like you're getting people that
Speaker 2: you're getting people now that are actually like into like
Speaker 2: they're studying the whole cimatics vibration stuff, and they're start
Speaker 2: to realize that these things, Like they're starting to figure
Speaker 2: out now that churches are made in certain ways that
Speaker 2: even if the person's playing the organ, because of the
Speaker 2: way the church is designed, the fucking sounds going to
Speaker 2: be different. So what you're playing and what's actually being
Speaker 2: heard is completely different, and it's being done on purpose.
Speaker 2: They're starting to realize that certain churches are either used
Speaker 2: to focus stuff or actually projected, and they're all on mounds.
Speaker 2: They're starting to realize now that old stuff from the
Speaker 2: medieval times that they thought were castles were actually probably
Speaker 2: power generator, Like the fact that this stuff is starting
Speaker 2: to come up going back hundreds of years, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to start asking how the fuck did these people
Speaker 2: know how to do this? Right? And I think that
Speaker 2: is the stuff that's gonna start getting motherfuckers and be like, yo,
Speaker 2: wait what we've known science for a while. And now
Speaker 2: if you start going back to alchemists from the fifteen
Speaker 2: or sixteen hundreds, they're drawing eyeballs and brains inside their
Speaker 2: occult manuscripts and they're talking about sound and frequencies, you know,
Speaker 2: we're gonna hopefully start going I do think there's a
Speaker 2: possible way that we might actually start going back to
Speaker 2: a little bit of that and people might start waking
Speaker 2: up a little bit. But I think the NPCs that
Speaker 2: they're done. It's been done for a minute now. Yeah right.
Speaker 2: I do think even that whole covid era was kind
Speaker 2: of like we're gonna see who the function taught it was.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not gonna go down the spiracy rabbit
Speaker 3: hole this late in the episode, but I mean, dude,
Speaker 3: all you have to do is look at like fluoride, right,
Speaker 3: and we know what fluoride does to the pineal gland,
Speaker 3: which is what we would call our third eye, right,
Speaker 3: hydrofluorosilicic acid and those things and you know that were
Speaker 3: literally probably being poisoned.
Speaker 2: Yo. If you look into why they even use that,
Speaker 2: why they started using fluoride, it was because it's too
Speaker 2: expensive they get rid of the poison. That it's easier
Speaker 2: to just distribute it into water and let people fucking
Speaker 2: digest it and shut it out of pison. And they hear, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, what the fuck? Might it might
Speaker 2: help your teeth? Yeah, yeah, small doses will help your teeth,
Speaker 2: but when we want to get rid of it, it's
Speaker 2: too expensive of a fucking thing to get like what what? Oh? Thanks? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And uh and you know mind control.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was the benefits, yeah, the benefits of
Speaker 2: all that shit too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So anyway, all right, Nick, tell us again, where are
Speaker 3: the best ways to defind you?
Speaker 2: And you know, yeah, uh, best ways if you're into
Speaker 2: video YouTube, Uh, knock on Wood has been doing pretty
Speaker 2: well with that, catch a lot of lives on there,
Speaker 2: So if you want to catch shows early before they
Speaker 2: hit audio, you might be able to catch some of
Speaker 2: them on there. Rumble and Bit shoot for video and
Speaker 2: audio on all major podcasts you know, Sprinker Apples, Spotify,
Speaker 2: all those yeah, everywhere, my heart radio Deezer, you know,
Speaker 2: fucking all the things of the stuff. Yeah, yeah, wherever
Speaker 2: Spriker sends to. So yeah, I got all that, and
Speaker 2: I have the Occult Research Institute dot org. Uh that
Speaker 2: has a lot of the occult rejects on there, even
Speaker 2: people that aren't necessarily in occult reject like I got
Speaker 2: Mario from Symbolic Studies and a few other people that
Speaker 2: have the you know, don't work. There's some people on
Speaker 2: there that I've even actually done real scientific PaperWorks on orgone.
Speaker 2: We got a guy Leon on there. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff on there. It's all for free to
Speaker 2: check out. So check out a cult research Institute dot org.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's awesome, and donate, yes, yes please. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: got buy me a coffee. We got Patreon, I got
Speaker 2: all those. You can even go. People can even look
Speaker 2: at my patriot and I don't. I think I might
Speaker 2: have one or two people, so so hook a brother up.
Speaker 2: I don't even ask or advertise. That's another problem too.
Speaker 2: I feel like a day song and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: that's that's a reasonable to absolutely Again, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you man. That was great.
Speaker 3: That was a great chat and we'll do it again soon.
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