WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.960 Oh gee is, folks, it's show time. 2 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:10.599 People pay good money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.519 When they go out to a theater, they want cold sodas, 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:17.239 pop popcorn in No monsters in the protection booths. 5 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.199 Everyone for tend. Podcasting isn't boring. 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:49.880 Got it off, morning, sir, Good morning, Gray, Nice day. 7 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:55.280 Evan's reports a fog rolling in at the stables. Saddle up, Blackie. 8 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:56.439 I want him after breakfast. 9 00:00:57.039 --> 00:00:58.759 I want to tell the chief hog over the personnel 10 00:00:58.799 --> 00:00:59.880 reports with him at fourteen? 11 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:11.760 Hi, sir, can we get married? Sure? Didn't I say 12 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:12.879 yes a long time ago? 13 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:13.159 No? 14 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:17.640 No, I mean right now, tonight, all. 15 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:19.879 Right, time, anytime. 16 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:24.120 I'll always love you, so I guess it doesn't matter 17 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:25.359 how soon we begin together. 18 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:33.280 You are right if I pick you up at eight 19 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:33.920 o'clock tonight. 20 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:37.319 Yes, And I think you'd better wear a dress just 21 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:37.799 this once. 22 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:39.640 Ashamed of me already? Huh? 23 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:40.719 Sure, But I love you. 24 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:43.640 The chaplain doesn't, though, and I think he might like 25 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:46.159 a dress. You're not going right away. 26 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:50.400 I have to relieve chief warnikey, Oh Mary, what's this 27 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:51.560 about my husband? 28 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.079 I'm on my way to relieve him for child. Don't 29 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:55.840 be in a rush. It'll do him good. To miss 30 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.760 a meal. Honestly, I'll be bad when he's discharged, just 31 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:00.400 so I can find him down a little bit. 32 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.439 We're going to be married, well I should think you 33 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:03.959 would be. 34 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.079 I mean tonight, the sort of the better. What is 35 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:09.639 this a conspiracy? I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll 36 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:10.560 wash your hair for you. 37 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:16.240 This afternoon, I bought some new fancy Champousta. 38 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:18.680 Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host. Mike White 39 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:21.439 joined me once again. Is mister Robert Bellissimo. 40 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.240 Hey Mike, thanks for having me back. Happy to Noir November. Everyone. 41 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:28.000 Also back in the booth is mister Otto Bruno. 42 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:32.599 Good afternoon, gentlemen, and thanks for inviting me to discuss 43 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.080 this very odd film. 44 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.000 We continue November twenty twenty four with a look at 45 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.479 Jean Renoir's The Woman on the Beach. Released in nineteen 46 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:45.439 forty seven. The film tells the tale of veteran Scott Burnette, 47 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:49.080 played by Robert Ryan. He's played with nightmares caused by 48 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.719 his PTSD and is assigned to the Mounted Division of 49 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:55.719 the Coastguard. Yes that's the thing where he patrols the 50 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:59.000 beach on his horse, meeting the comely Peggy Butler played 51 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.840 by Joan Bennett. She's married to blind painter Todd Butler 52 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:06.240 played by Charles Pickford. Will Scott leave his good girl 53 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.800 Eve for bad girl Peggy as Todd really blind? Well, 54 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.080 answer those questions and ruined this movie for you as 55 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.360 we go along. So if you don't want anything spoiled, 56 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.719 turn off the podcast and go watch this movie. Attom, 57 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:19.439 When was the first time you saw The Woman on 58 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:20.840 the Beach? And what did you think? 59 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:23.960 I just saw it for the first time about a 60 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:28.479 year or two years ago at the most, and I 61 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.280 watched it mainly because it was a Renoire film, because 62 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:36.759 I'm a ren Wire fan. I haven't seen all of 63 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.199 his work as of yet, but obviously I've seen his 64 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.159 two classic Grand Illusion and Rules of the Game multiple times, 65 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.439 as well as a few of his French films before 66 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:50.319 he made Rules of the Game in nineteen thirty nine, 67 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.520 and so I watched this knowing that it was his 68 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:59.599 last of his five American films, I believe. But I 69 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:04.599 didn't know anything about it going into it, and I 70 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:09.280 initially was a little disappointed, just because it was somewhat 71 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:15.319 confusing to me, and it seemed somewhat incomplete to me, 72 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.639 and the ending definitely threw me off the first time, 73 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.560 and of course, now doing some readings for this little 74 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:27.439 visit with you gentlemen, I realized that there was a 75 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:33.399 lot missing that had been filmed and excised because apparently 76 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:38.360 it's an initial screening test. Screening was so poorly received 77 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:43.600 that they really changed it around. But my initial reaction 78 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.319 to it was not I can't say it was really positive, 79 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.240 but of course, but that's unfair to say that too, 80 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:55.160 because I'm one of those people who think that Grand 81 00:04:55.160 --> 00:05:01.240 Illusion and Rules of the Game in particular are without question, 82 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:05.240 two of the greatest films ever made. So it's difficult 83 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.839 when a guy has to compete against himself on the 84 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:12.120 case of Renwire with this film and the other interesting 85 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.560 thing which I never thought about at the time, and 86 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.720 I'm sure we'll discuss, but Renwire being here in America 87 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:22.399 out of his element, he had the language bearer, he 88 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.600 was competing with a lot. But the second viewing for 89 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:29.480 this podcast, now that I understand it a little more, 90 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:32.759 I still think it's a weird film, but I appreciate 91 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:34.399 it more than I did the first time. 92 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:36.279 And Robert, how about yourself? 93 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.560 When we all signed on to do rules of the game. 94 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.160 Last year, it occurred to me I hadn't seen any 95 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:46.519 of Renwas's films, which is shameful. So I saw many 96 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.639 of them before that recording, including this one. I had 97 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:53.720 heard about it before because I know Robert Ryan and 98 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.399 one of his sons a little bit, Robert Ryan's son, Cheney, 99 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:00.519 and he's come on my show a few times. And 100 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.600 there's a book, a biography on Robert Ryan that's quite good, 101 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.680 and there's a chapter on the making of this film 102 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.240 in there. I remember reading that, but I only saw 103 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.480 it for the time at the beginning of last year, 104 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.639 and now I've seen it a couple of more times since. 105 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:25.519 And it's interesting because to me, like the first thirty 106 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.519 or forty minutes is actually quite good, and then it 107 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.920 just it's not so much that the scenes afterwards are poor, 108 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:37.600 but it feels like it was significantly cut up, which 109 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.240 of course is what happened, because I believe it was 110 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:44.759 originally ninety minutes or over ninety minutes, and now we 111 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:50.759 have seventy minutes. And as Auto referenced, of course, he 112 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:55.079 had this disastrous pre screening and that made him so 113 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.720 nervous that he started reshooting and cutting, and I know 114 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:04.199 he later regretted really taking one bad streaming so seriously, 115 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:07.920 so it's a shame he did that. But once the 116 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:12.279 forty minute mark or thirty five minute mark hits, everything 117 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:18.199 just becomes rushed and it's abrupts and sloppy, and the 118 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:22.399 characters have these shifts in their choices that are just 119 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:26.439 really random, I feel, and almost like what I call 120 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:32.759 these epiphany moments as opposed to maybe draddually changing or 121 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:37.920 learning from the behavior. But the first thirty minutes or 122 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:41.399 so are quite good. Everything from that nightmare that rapper 123 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.399 Ryan's having at the beginning, and just visually it's quite stunning. 124 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.680 There's other really great visual touches that I thought were 125 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.720 really good, which I'm sure we'll get into. It's a 126 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:55.639 really appealing story about these characters who have these damaged 127 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.920 pasts and that's part of their connection, but also part 128 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:04.240 of is trying to destroy one another. So there's a 129 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:09.040 lot that's really good about it, I feel, But overall 130 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:12.120 it's a shade. It just didn't quite work overall, But 131 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:15.879 I'm sure we'll get more into the nitty gritty of 132 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:17.240 it all as we go on here. 133 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.160 I know it's compromised, but I still find a lot 134 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.319 of great things in this movie even after that thirty 135 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.279 minute mark. And I agree it is a fairly uneven film, 136 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.759 and you can tell that it's been tampered with that 137 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.440 there are some cuts in here where I'm just like, ah, 138 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:36.679 that doesn't really feel right, especially because last time we 139 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:38.480 were all together, I believe, is when we were talking 140 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.440 about Rules of the Game and just how incredible that 141 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:43.720 movie is, and then you come to this and you're like, 142 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:48.759 there are some odd things in here where Yes, he's 143 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:51.519 at a different point in his career. Yes, he's in 144 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:55.159 America where I feel that he was undercut, I should 145 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:58.399 say by the studio system, especially who is a Xanak 146 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:02.120 had a real beef against him. It sounded like, especially 147 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:05.600 is like, hey, enough of these long takes. Hey, you're 148 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:08.039 wasting too much time moving the camera, and it's like, 149 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:12.039 why did you hire Renoir if you're mad about the 150 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:13.240 moving camera here? 151 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:17.840 He basically criticized everything that made Renoir a great director. 152 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.519 Do you know who you just hired for this? Come on? 153 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:25.159 Things like those dream sequences, and because there's at least 154 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:29.159 two and the first one right at the beginning of 155 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.559 the movie, we don't even have Robert Ryan speaking the 156 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.159 first time we see him, he's asleep. And to have 157 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:40.039 all these images of these bodies floating down and Robert 158 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:45.399 Ryan floating down with the mine behind him and everything, 159 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.720 and I guess it's Eve his girlfriend there at the 160 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.399 bottom of the ocean with the It looks like, of course, 161 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.799 they shot this kind of like The Spy Who Loved 162 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.159 Me where it was supposed to be underwater, but it 163 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:01.240 was just wind machines making things flutter and him standing 164 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.159 at the bottom of the ocean, her at the bottom 165 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.919 of the ocean. I'm just like, this is wild. And 166 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.360 then the second dream sequence is very much like Doune 167 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.919 a waking dream. He just is there with his eyes 168 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:15.279 open and he's seeing all of these things, and the 169 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:18.440 last thing he sees is this whole thing of this 170 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:21.440 fire going on. And then Joan Bennett, the fom Fatal 171 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:25.080 in this basically it looks like she's on fire as well. 172 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.600 I love that shot. It looks so good. I read 173 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:30.600 the book of this took a lot to track down 174 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:34.679 None so blind, and there's a lot of similar stuff 175 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:37.639 in here. But there's a character who gets mentioned a 176 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.399 few times in the movie and he's a real character 177 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:44.679 in the book. He runs the book anyway. He runs 178 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.519 basically like a saloon or a bar, and he plays 179 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:53.200 such a pivotal role in what's going on. And it's 180 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.759 basically the Joan Bennett character. Peggy has been having an 181 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.080 affair with him for the longest time, and this new 182 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.559 guy is Oh, he's just like a new toy for 183 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:05.320 her to play with. 184 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.360 Basically, was that supposed to be Eve's brother? Oh? 185 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.600 I don't think so. Is it the brother in here? 186 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:15.679 I thought that's what it because they mentioned her brother 187 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.399 a couple times, and then I thought that's what he 188 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.320 found out near the end was that Joan Bennett had 189 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:26.360 been having an affair with him as well. Because remember, 190 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:29.879 he's not around now, he's gone, he's not in the 191 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:31.240 picture for whatever reason. 192 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.679 We see the other guys she has an affair with. 193 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.360 We see he's not that. It wasn't the doctor. The 194 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.480 Doctor's lets that be known, and then God finds out. 195 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.600 Do you guys, remember this movie is so bonkers sometimes 196 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.840 hard to keep I know that one of the things 197 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:49.559 I read said that. 198 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:55.759 One of the early drafts that it is her and 199 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:59.840 the doctor. And then Ryan gets told by her at 200 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:03.720 the end that she's basically just been playing him, and 201 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:08.000 that the plan was for her and the doctor to 202 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:11.960 kill her husband and steal his paintings and go off together. 203 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:17.320 That was apparently one of the scripts before Renoir took 204 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.039 over the production. 205 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:21.600 But they don't. 206 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:25.600 Intimate that at all in the film, that she and 207 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:28.120 the doctor are having a relationship. 208 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:33.120 No, and the doctor's the dumpy little guy who really 209 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:38.159 doesn't seem to respect us the privilege there between the 210 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.279 patient and the physician because he's just blabbing about everything. 211 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.919 Oh, she was banging this other guy. I'm like, what 212 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:48.639 it was a very small community. 213 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.240 Even with those reshoots that you were talking about, it's 214 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.000 not even the same Eve. It's not the original Eve, 215 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:00.000 the girlfriend of Robert Ryan's character Scott. These names are 216 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:07.759 just so exotic with Scott and Peggy. I think it's 217 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.879 no coincidence that her name is Eve, that first woman 218 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.679 without Sin type of thing. But that's Nan Leslie in 219 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.279 the version that we're watching, and originally that was Virginia 220 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.879 Houston and they reshot all of herself. 221 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:21.200 Wow. 222 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:24.240 I read that and I'm like, gee, that's interesting. I 223 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.279 don't know why they replaced her. 224 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.399 No, I don't know if it was a timing thing. 225 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:34.039 Maybe they needed to some of that and they couldn't 226 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:36.720 get her for a certain time, or maybe it was 227 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:38.879 just oh, she's not right for this role. 228 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:39.600 We're going to go with. 229 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.679 Somebody, I don't know, more blonde, more innocent. I don't 230 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:45.559 know what it is, but man, Eve, she's got a 231 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:47.600 good head on her shoulders other than for business, but 232 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:50.159 she seems to be figuring it out. That whole thing 233 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.600 of her trying to help out at work and pull 234 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:56.600 the work out of it. Sounds like they're about to 235 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.960 hit some dire streets unless they get some business stuff 236 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.879 sorted out. And she brings all these things to Robert 237 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:03.279 Ryan to be like, hey, can you help me with this? 238 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.200 But she did admit to him then she said, it's 239 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.159 just as well I had done it. I just used 240 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:12.600 it as an excuse to come see you. Because he 241 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:18.840 has that first nightmare that opens the film, and it's 242 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.360 that I think that leads him to her, and then 243 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.679 asking her to marry him right away instead of waiting 244 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:29.720 because obviously they had been considering marriage. But he wants 245 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:34.080 to get married right away, and she, like, you say, Mike, 246 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:36.799 she's got a good head on her. So she's smart 247 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:39.919 enough whether she knows exactly what's going on, but she 248 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:44.440 knows that whatever his although they never used this obviously 249 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:48.399 in nineteen forty seven, but whatever his problem with PTSD is, 250 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:53.279 which is essentially what he's dealing with, she realizes that 251 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:56.600 he's thinking that getting married right away will be a 252 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.799 quick fix to his problem, and she knows it won't. 253 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.320 So she balks at that let's get married immediately idea, 254 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:11.440 and then he like gets you don't really know exactly 255 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.559 how he feels. He says he agrees with her, but 256 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.759 then he leaves, and immediately the next scene he sees 257 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.360 Peggy and he's drawn to her. And of course Renoire 258 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:25.039 said he wanted to make a story just about physical 259 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:33.200 attraction and sexual attraction, but that Robert said earlier, all 260 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:35.759 three of these what will eventually be the three main 261 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:41.120 characters are so damaged and their interactions with each other 262 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:45.840 seem to be leading towards the destruction of all of them. 263 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:51.519 Yeah, and that doesn't even really come if his intent 264 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:56.679 was to make a film about purely physical attraction. That 265 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:01.080 really doesn't come through unless I part of the reshoots 266 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:04.200 and rewriting is I guess that got compromised or change. 267 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:08.960 But I really like the beginning because after that dream 268 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.960 and he says to that other guy, clearly, I'm not 269 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:16.200 well in the head, even though they're telling him that 270 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:20.039 he's fine physically, which I thought that was really ahead 271 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:24.799 of its time, thinking at the time people were only 272 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.279 concerned with, oh, you didn't get shot or whatever, but 273 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:31.960 what about the mental health aspects of it. But I 274 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.080 like that he sees her in the dream and she's 275 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:39.559 in white, and she's angelic, and she's going towards her. 276 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:43.000 In his mind, this is his savior. And I like 277 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:46.960 that she wanted to marry her immediately, which I took 278 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:50.639 to as he's afraid to lose her. He's lost everything else, 279 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:53.399 which we see in that dream is both got torpedoed. 280 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.399 And I thought Ryan played it so well because you 281 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.879 see when she's hesitant, you see how upset he looks 282 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:06.240 about it, and I just thought that was really powerful. 283 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.160 So it's again, it's just such a shame because there's 284 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.480 so much in this film that's great. We just needed 285 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.440 another twenty thirty minutes and it would have been probably 286 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:16.440 a great film. 287 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.960 He does mention I think it was Renoire himself, or 288 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.519 maybe it was just one of the articles I read 289 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:28.000 about how they really did. Of course nineteen forty seven, 290 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:32.039 so they cut a lot of scenes that intimated sex 291 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:35.359 or even suggested it. So they did cut a lot 292 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:39.319 of those scenes out, and even the passionate kissing they 293 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:44.400 didn't want because of course, anytime you depicted infidelity on 294 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.279 the screen back then, it was predicted, like a gangster movie, 295 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.000 that the people who were unfaithful had to be punished 296 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:54.440 in some way. You couldn't let them get away with that, 297 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.599 So obviously it's too bad. 298 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:00.240 This is one of the things. I don't know how you. 299 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:04.000 Guys feel about this, but this just always drives me 300 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:11.079 crazy when they talk about movies that were cut down 301 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:15.680 by studios and they did these hatchet job editing and 302 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:19.480 took out tons of film, and the film was destroyed 303 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:23.519 or they can't find it, or they found some of 304 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.400 the audio and they found some of the visual, but 305 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.119 they didn't find them where they pieced it together one 306 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:29.599 or the other. 307 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:31.359 It's so frustrating. 308 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:37.400 I guess people human beings never have an appreciation for 309 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:43.319 history as something is happening. By nineteen forty John Renoire 310 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:47.559 was a pretty significant guy already, but as Mike was saying, 311 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.400 clearly Xanik didn't care or had no clue. 312 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.279 But it's so frustrating. 313 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:58.720 I would love to have seen what that original cut 314 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:01.640 was that had the one bad preview. 315 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:04.519 We all know that mel. 316 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.640 Brooks always said when they previewed Blazing Saddles, it was 317 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:12.440 terrible because he previewed it for the executives and then 318 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:14.519 he showed it to all the people who worked out 319 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:16.640 at the studio, the crew people and all that, and 320 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:20.480 they loved it. So when they told him what changes 321 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:22.960 they want him, he said, jess and that he didn't 322 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:25.519 change any of it, and it became this monster hit. 323 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:29.799 Ren Wire said, this film the preview audience was younger 324 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:36.839 people and students. Clearly, they're not going to have anything 325 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:39.359 in this movie to relate to whatsoever. 326 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.680 No how are they going to relate to this old 327 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:48.440 blind painter and that his wife accidentally severed his optic 328 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:51.039 nerve by throwing a glass at him when they're having 329 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.839 a drunken brawl. They're not even going to relate to 330 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:56.880 Robert Ryan having PTSD after serving in the war, because 331 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.559 they're probably too young to have served. 332 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:01.559 In them Exactly. Some of them more erotic things that 333 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:06.400 I felt did come through was once a Scott meets 334 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:11.359 Todd and then they're all having dinner together. He goes 335 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:17.519 to a close up of Todd and Scott lighting the 336 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:21.680 cigarette of Peggy right in front of him, and it's 337 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:24.799 there's something it's almost to me, it was like almost 338 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:27.680 like having an affair right in front of him and 339 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:30.119 he can't see it. And then there was this great 340 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:34.119 cut where I think she says the word brown because 341 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:37.720 Todd is asking about Scott's hair color, and that was 342 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:40.599 such a perfect cut. They just they cut and she 343 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:43.960 goes brown about his hair, and then the camera just 344 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:46.559 lingers on her and she just has a neutral expression. 345 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:50.920 It just from that cut and just lingering on her, 346 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:54.880 and at that moment, the attraction is building and there's 347 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:57.279 something so dangerous about the fact that they're doing it 348 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:01.240 right in front of this blind guy. To me, that 349 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.839 was like some of the more most like when they're 350 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:08.160 alone in the boat that's damaged and there is kissing, 351 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:11.880 but it's not It's performed well, but it doesn't have 352 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:15.599 the heats that I felt was in that scene. And 353 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:18.319 so I don't know, you guys just felt about that, But. 354 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:21.000 Sorry to go back to what you're saying as far 355 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.960 as the bad people have to be punished, No, but 356 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:27.119 he's really punished. At the end of this no Joan 357 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:32.519 Bennett earns her own freedom by Todd burning up his 358 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:36.519 own paintings and they go off together. It's such an 359 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:40.640 interesting ending that they go off together and Todd just 360 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:44.640 wanders off like a somnambulist. I don't know what I'm. 361 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:44.920 Going to do. 362 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:47.720 I guess he's going to go back to Eve, but 363 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:50.319 it just feels like he's lost. At the end of 364 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:54.200 this movie. We don't get a shot of him coming 365 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:57.720 back to her. The whole thing of the doctor and 366 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:02.759 Joan Bennett's character Peggy them conniving and coming up with 367 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:06.039 this whole stealing the paintings and all that. That's such 368 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:10.240 a typical noir experience. But with this what we ended 369 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.799 up with is so not a noir experience. There's not 370 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.319 really a crime, and there's not even a crime of passion. 371 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:21.440 Nobody dies in this movie, which is interesting, not for 372 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:25.160 lack of trying, but it's just such an odd thing. 373 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:27.799 But it is fitting this pattern the three movies that 374 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:30.680 we've talked about so far this month, with Pitfall, with 375 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.240 Angel Face, and now with Women on the Beach, there's 376 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:39.759 always the long suffering wife or girlfriend who is being 377 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:44.000 basically emotionally cheated on, even if not physically cheated on 378 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:47.920 by the main character, and usually at the end of 379 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:51.799 them he goes back to that character. But actually, I 380 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:54.680 think in all three of these this month, I don't 381 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:56.759 know how the relationship with Eve is going to go. 382 00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:59.640 I don't know how the relationship between Dick Powell and 383 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:01.119 his wife if it's going to be at the end 384 00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:05.960 of Pitfall, and there is no relationship for Robert Mitcham 385 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:13.680 at the end of Angel Face. So exactly, it's very 386 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:16.960 fascinating that way, like he comes into Robert Ryan comes 387 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:22.319 into this weird relationship. Here's the European director at work, right. 388 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:25.160 This feels like a European art film where he's walking 389 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:28.240 into these two people who kind of love each other 390 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:30.599 and really hate each other at the same time, and 391 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.799 they're indebted to each other on different levels. She feels 392 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:38.759 guilty about blinding him. He's just struggling to make things work, 393 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.519 trying to write and has to use her as the 394 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:46.200 fingers on the keyboard. Just very fascinating way that this 395 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:49.799 is venir but really not at the same time. 396 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:53.559 Yeah, there's chained to one another, and they'll see that 397 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.480 in a lot of noir movies like Postman always rings twice. 398 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:01.359 Those once they meet, they're just stock in good ways 399 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.920 and in bad ways, and that here. But it's interesting 400 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.680 because every now we know, we think of film noir 401 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:10.799