WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:05.320 A Cast Classics. Carrie Jade Does Not Exist is a 2 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:08.000 story of how one woman who took on over six 3 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:12.320 different identities infiltrated the lives of vulnerable people and lied 4 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:13.880 her way into gaining their trust. 5 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:16.760 It's almost like she hases rare gift of being able 6 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:20.239 to ascertain the exact hopes and dreams of a community. 7 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:23.719 She offers them exactly that and meant just bails. 8 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:26.960 This series tells a story of how Carrie Jade build 9 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.359 up a picture perfect persona until she finally got tindled 10 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:33.320 up in her own web of lives. 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Now, join your host Sorayah on this week's 23 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:32.079 edition of Where Did the Road Go? 24 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:34.760 And Welcome to this week's edition of Where Did the 25 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.280 Road Go? This week is part two of our interview 26 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:41.239 with Chad and Alta. Dillard Luke is helping me with 27 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.239 this one. He was not around for the first part, 28 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:47.719 but we recorded part two and part three together, so 29 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.879 part three will be coming up eventually. We let them 30 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:55.319 discuss their very odd experiences and they just get weirder 31 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:58.280 and weirder as they go. Also want to thank everyone 32 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:00.680 who gave me feedback on last week's show and Kundolini. 33 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:04.280 I appreciate the support. That was a hard show for 34 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:06.879 me to do, and so many of you wrote me 35 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:10.400 and had comments and experiences to share. 36 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:11.560 It was awesome. 37 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:15.520 Also, I plan on doing another show about listeners experiences, 38 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:18.319 So if you have some experiences you'd like to share, 39 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:24.360 you can email contact at wheredidthroadgo dot com and I 40 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.240 can record you, or you can just send me the story. 41 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:28.080 I've had a few people now send me stories. They 42 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:29.479 don't want to read them, or they don't want to 43 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.599 talk about themselves, but they'd like me to read them. 44 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:35.520 So that's a possibility, or you can contact me and 45 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:38.159 I will set up a time and we will connect 46 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:40.560 and you can tell your story and I will put 47 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:43.879 together a group of those, probably for some time later 48 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:46.360 in the summer. So whenever I have about an hour's 49 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:50.680 worth of stories from you, the listener, without any further ado, 50 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:54.520 let's get into this high strangeness with Chad and Alta Dillard. 51 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:59.159 All right, Chad and Alta, welcome back to the show. 52 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.400 Well thanks again for having us. 53 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:03.919 Yeah, thank you so much. 54 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.639 And let's see if your your phone connection holds up good, 55 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.560 because you said you're right outside of Fort Knox. 56 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.960 Yeah, it must be all that gold interfering. 57 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.719 With that gold that we're pretty sure isn't there. 58 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:20.719 Yeah, I heard, I've heard those rumors that it's not. 59 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:24.599 Actually that a lot of the world's gold is missing, right. 60 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:30.520 A lot of everything is missing and seems to have 61 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.039 a lot of military all around us. So you know 62 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:34.960 these signals you just never know. 63 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:41.039 Yeah, okay, so let's let's get back into what happened 64 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:45.719 to you following your encounter in the French Quarter. 65 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:50.879 Okay, so that would have been around in September of 66 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:56.719 ninety seven. I would say, coming out of that experience 67 00:03:56.840 --> 00:04:00.639 me specifically, I was just going through all kinds of trauma, 68 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:05.240 internal trauma, emotional trauma. I have this object in my 69 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:10.759 upper arm. I prefaced myself because Chad seemed to be okay, 70 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:14.479 Jacqueline seemed to be okay, but I wasn't. And what 71 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.480 I mean by that is something was really changing inside 72 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.160 of me. And it started off with all the ranges 73 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:25.680 of emotions. I started off extremely angry about you know, 74 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:29.759 this unseen force involved in our lives. I tried to 75 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:34.240 take the object out of my arm myself because I 76 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:40.720 was so angry, and this internal voice made it real 77 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:42.600 clear to me that that was going to hurt, real 78 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.839 bad when I put a knife to my skin, because 79 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.360 I literally was going to cut this out myself. And 80 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:50.560 it's just underneath the top layer of skin, but the 81 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:55.759 object seems to move. It'll move, it'll bury itself all 82 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:58.000 the way down to the bone, and then there will 83 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.120 be times where it'll actually be standing out in my 84 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:05.199 arm like a big bug bite. So very tricky and 85 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.040 just lots of this, I said, a lot of emotions 86 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.560 involved in it. And so when I realized that I 87 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.800 wasn't going to cut it out of my arm, I 88 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:16.160 didn't know where to turn. There was no place to turn, 89 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:20.120 there was no one to talk to, no support system whatsoever. 90 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:23.199 And so it took me about a year, from ninety 91 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.040 seven to ninety eight to make up my mind that 92 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.519 I was leaving New Orleans. I was going to leave 93 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.680 the French Quarter, and I had no idea where I 94 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:38.240 was going, but I was driven, compelled to leave that area, 95 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.519 and I felt that I was being drawn almost to 96 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:47.279 the Southwest again. And I told Chad, I basically gave 97 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:49.839 him an option or not option. I just said, I've 98 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:52.759 got to go. I have to leave here, and I'm 99 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.920 going back to the Southwest. And I knew that I 100 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.120 had really no idea where I was headed, but New 101 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.439 Mexico was all I felt inside of me. It seemed 102 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.040 to be my you know, the direction, that the direction 103 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:09.319 that seemed to be the most obvious to me. And 104 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.800 so Chad agreed. And it took us about a I said, 105 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:17.120 about a year to put those plans in action. I 106 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.560 actually tried to quit my job. The family that I 107 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:24.360 worked for would determined that I wouldn't leave them, and 108 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.680 so they had an option for me. They said that 109 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:31.040 they wanted Chad and I to consider going to Denver, 110 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:33.720 Colorado for them to open up a new business, a 111 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:39.959 new shop. And I have childhood memories from living in 112 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.319 a war of Colorado when I was little, and for 113 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.959 some reason inside of me, I never wanted to return 114 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:49.480 to Denver either. But thank goodness, the people that I 115 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:51.759 worked for, you know, hung in there with me, and 116 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:54.600 so they said, well, go do what you got to do, 117 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.959 and you know, you may fall that you want to 118 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:02.079 go to Denver. And so ultimately D and I now 119 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:07.720 we're into nineteen ninety eight, moved to New Mexico. We 120 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:15.360 landed in Albuquerque with no direction. Again, I'm founding absolutely crazy, 121 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.199 but I'm feeling compelled inside myself to do these things. 122 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:23.000 And Chad was just agreeable, thank goodness, you know, he 123 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:27.439 just or not, I'm not sure, but he was a 124 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:31.639 willing participant. And so we ended up in Albuquerque, and 125 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:34.720 you know, spent a great deal of money getting ourselves 126 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:36.600 set up there, so on and so forth. I was 127 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:40.759 allowed to continue my job over the phone, and I 128 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:43.959 had a lot of clients over the years that continued 129 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.879 to keep supporting me. It took us a few months 130 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.759 of being in Albuquerque for me to realize that's absolutely 131 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:53.399 not where we were supposed to be. I tried to 132 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.920 get help in the sense of I reached out to 133 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:58.959 with no book of rules and nobody guiding us. 134 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:00.279 I called. 135 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.560 A gentleman that at the time was the you know, 136 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.160 was somebody involved in moufon. I didn't even know really 137 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:13.279 what moofon was, and he wasn't polite at all. There 138 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.600 was nothing nice about this gentleman and me. In the 139 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:18.800 conversation on the phone, I knew that I had made 140 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.920 a mistake reaching in that direction, and he wrote me 141 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:25.920 off as just literally a crazy and he said he 142 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:28.639 was tired of all the crazies coming to his state. 143 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:34.320 You know, My understanding was his interest was you know, 144 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:38.279 flying crafts and anything that was tangible, and people like 145 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:42.360 ourselves were just crazy and he he all that hung 146 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.320 up on me, and so that gave me a real 147 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.639 bad taste in my mouth about reaching out any longer. 148 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.200 So again, Chad and I are just operating off of 149 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:58.120 the emotions with you know, nowhere to turn. I came 150 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.200 outside of my house one day while we lived right 151 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.000 off of We ended up right off of Route sixty 152 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:09.639 six in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and I stepped outside of 153 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.200 the house and I looked up in the mountains surrounding us, 154 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.200 and I said to Chad, we're going up there, and 155 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:21.200 I pointed, and next thing I know, we're taking day 156 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:24.720 trips up into those mountains. And we discovered a small 157 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:29.879 community up there that was a very small little village 158 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.399 that has become quite famous since then, with lots of 159 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.759 movies being made in that area and so on, but 160 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:41.879 it was still very small and very quaint. And it's 161 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:49.720 called Madwood pronounced Madrid, spelled like Madrid, and it's a 162 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:56.759 very strange area, needless to say. And it also is 163 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:01.799 just a couple miles from a smaller village called Crios 164 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:07.200 or Cirios, New Mexico. And I bring that out because 165 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:09.480 since all of this has happened to Chad and I, 166 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.840 there's a man that's becoming quite well known in the 167 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:19.519 country named Andrew Bishago. And Andrew Bishago claims that he 168 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:25.159 has been part of a secret program from childhood. And 169 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:30.279 I think he's in his fifties now that his claims 170 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:36.399 are that he and many others as children were time portaled. 171 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:40.120 Oh you know who I'm speaking about. 172 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.120 Yeah, And he claims to have gone to Mars with 173 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.480 Obama or whatever exactly. 174 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.759 Well, I wouldn't even be bringing him forward with the 175 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:55.120 exception of whoops. When I after all of our experiences 176 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:58.639 and I started really listening to people out doing interviews 177 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.559 on these types of shows, one time, I'm listening to Bishago, 178 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:07.799 and all of a sudden he mentioned Sorios, New Mexico 179 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:10.759 as one of the locations he was time portaled into. 180 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:14.360 And needless to say, that got our attention because we 181 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.960 had been living up in that area and went through 182 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:21.519 very I call all the paranormal high strangeness. We had 183 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:24.240 a lot of high strangeness happening to us up there, 184 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:29.399 and so just the fact that he, you know, chooses 185 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:33.960 that location to go public about just really got my attention. 186 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.960 But I'll have Chad share with you about his encounter 187 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.960 with what we call a black eyed man rather than 188 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.039 a black eyed children that you hear so much about 189 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.919 in this small community called Madrid. 190 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:55.320 Well, when we first started going up there, we befriended 191 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:58.519 a couple of guys and one of them was just 192 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:04.879 this whole really laid back hippie, you know, went by alias. 193 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:07.799 You know, a lot of them did up there, and 194 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.440 you know, he was just really He even offered to 195 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:15.200 open up his home to us, you know, to to rent. 196 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.200 And you know, when we told him that we were 197 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.080 looking for a place up there. 198 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:23.320 Actually he really wanted us to live on his property. Yeah. 199 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:24.080 It's strange. 200 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:29.559 Yeah, And so you know, we didn't, but we found 201 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:33.039 another place back in he was he was in Sios, 202 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:36.240 and we didn't. We had found another place that was 203 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:42.840 old coal mining house where the coal miners lived. And 204 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.960 but there was this little saloon. And when I say saloon, 205 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.639 it was from way back in the cowboy days. Still 206 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:52.919 had the hitching post out there, and a lot of 207 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:57.360 the old timers still still rode their horses and tied 208 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:01.600 to the hitching post out front. And we had kind 209 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.600 of met a few of the local colorful characters there. 210 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:11.039 And we all go to the bar that night and 211 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.039 you know, eat having drinks, and we're sitting around this 212 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.639 big round table. There's probably eight, nine, ten of us. 213 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:24.639 And as the night wears on, I was just kind 214 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.519 of sitting across the table from me and this I'm 215 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:32.799 sitting next to this, this hippie guy. And as this 216 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:37.919 guy starts to drink a little bit more, he gets 217 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:45.879 kind of really I don't know his mood, his you know. 218 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:48.960 And it wasn't just from drinking. It was just, you know, 219 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.519 he started changing his attitude and because he was always 220 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:56.879 a nice guy, and all of a sudden he said 221 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:02.399 something just really ugly towards towards Alta and I and 222 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.759 you know, and I'm the only one that caught it. 223 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.120 And I looked over at him, and he looks at me, 224 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:15.679 and his eyes are just totally black. I mean, there's 225 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.240 no pupil, there's no white around my eye, there's nothing. 226 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:24.639 It's his whole eyeball is black. And all of a sudden, 227 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.279 I just kind of put up a spiritual block, I guess, 228 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:32.799 without knowing what I'm doing. And you know, he kind 229 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:38.000 of backed down and turned around and left pretty abruptly 230 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:43.519 after that. So that was that was pretty crazy, right, you. 231 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:47.840 Know, nothing like our lives have been abby normal from 232 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:52.000 the beginning, but neither of us have ever encountered, you know, 233 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:56.840 anything of that nature, anything like that. And he was 234 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:01.360 very clear about how this guy shifted just that quick. 235 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:05.679 You know, it was it was an evilness of something 236 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:11.360 that was seemed non human in the change, and as 237 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.519 Chad describes it, the eyes completely changed. 238 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:16.919 Wow. 239 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:20.879 So, and keep in mind, as Ched indicated, this guy 240 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.080 lived in this little village that the Shago claims he's 241 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:25.799 been time portaled in and out. 242 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:29.440 Of right right, because. 243 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.399 We had a lot of uh, you know, for the 244 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.240 months that we lived up there, we had quite a 245 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:40.440 few people might want to use the word coincidental, but 246 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:44.159 we're so beyond that that that word doesn't seem to 247 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:47.440 apply to us in any way, such as when we 248 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:51.840 get up into these mountains, you know, it's it's as 249 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:54.600 rural as you can get other than I think where 250 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:58.720 we're sitting right now outside of Fort Knox. And at 251 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:02.039 that time, these people who lived up in these villages 252 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:08.720 were many of them were Hispanic natives who'd lived there, 253 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:13.279 you know, thousands of years. And many of these people 254 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:18.879 had no television, nothing like cable. I mean, heaven forbid 255 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.240 in nineteen ninety nine, ninety eight that they've got cable 256 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:24.720 up in the mountains. And again that's just unheard of. 257 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:29.879 Chad and I we're city folk, and so I decide, 258 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:32.799 you know, we come in peace. And we decided, Chad 259 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.960 and I, that we'd have a big party to sort 260 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:39.960 of introduce ourselves to some of these people, and We 261 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:44.000 started it off by ordering We couldn't get cable and 262 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.679 we couldn't get a telephone. We kept being promised a 263 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:51.720 telephone and that never happened, and a lot of bizarreness 264 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.600 associated with trying to get a phone, real craziness. But 265 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:59.960 just back to the television part of this. We had 266 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.640 to order satellite dish. So we decided about the time 267 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:08.480 we were getting satellite put in, New Orleans was about to 268 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.519 have a big hurricane hit it. This was not Katrina. 269 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.000 This was, you know, fairly common in that part of 270 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:18.440 the country hurricanes. So what folks do there is they 271 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:24.440 have hurricane parties, and so we decided we would, you know, 272 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:29.720 have a hurricane party with the locals and new satellite 273 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:33.240 and invite everybody over. It kind of felt like old 274 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.880 Petticoat Junction show. If you ever saw that old television show, 275 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:38.799 That's what it felt like. We were living in the 276 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:44.200 middle of this very strange community. So the day that 277 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.599 we have this party, at the time, Chad and I 278 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:51.480 had a big black great Dame and a roddy Dobe 279 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.960 that were our babies. Because we've never had children, so 280 00:17:55.079 --> 00:18:00.960 our babies have always been critters and so literally Chad 281 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:05.400 is bartending. The dogs are blocked on the stairwell where 282 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:07.680 all the neighbors and all the friends that we'd invited 283 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.400 over could see them, but we kept them away from everyone. 284 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.119 But everybody was visual. And then everybody's sitting around the 285 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.039 TV and it's you know, it's like something out of 286 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:22.440 the fifties with people just getting television. And I walk 287 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:25.599 over and I realized, you know, it's time to turn 288 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.240 the TV on and let's watch the hurricane move into 289 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:31.920 New Orleans. And literally the minute I turned the TV on, 290 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:35.119 rather than a hurricane hitting New Orleans, what we see 291 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:39.400 is Chad and our two dogs, that great Dane and 292 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:43.880 that Roddy Doe literally walking across the screen of the television. 293 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:48.680 Now with my mouth hanging open and it's hard to 294 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.519 make me speakless. Chad is over in the other end 295 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.079 of the house, you know, playing bartender and host, and 296 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:58.640 we've got all these people that we're trying to say, 297 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:02.119 we come in Peece, you know, we're friendly and we 298 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:06.680 have no ulterior motives kind of party. And there they are, 299 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:11.319 my family, walking across the screen of the television. And 300 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:16.519 right so, you know, it was one the darkness after another. 301 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:18.720 The whole time that we were there. 302 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.880 And how long did that last with the image on 303 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:22.599 the television. 304 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:27.839 Hum, it was fairly brief. But what it was was, 305 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.359 I have Chad described to you why he was on 306 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.200 television with the dogs. Keep in mind that what he's 307 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:37.119 about to describe to you, it happened months prior, if 308 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:39.599 not a year or so prior to us moving up 309 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:40.759 into these mountains. 310 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:45.160 Yeah. When I was in the French Quarter, I used 311 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.160 to take care of some of the ladies that had 312 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.880 their shop. I'd go by and help change light bulbs 313 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.839 and you know, just do different odd jobs for them. 314 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:57.599 And this one particular shop I went into was called 315 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.519 three Dog Bakery and it they had Yappy Hour instead 316 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:06.839 of Happy Hour and stuff like that. So one day 317 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.839 the lady called me up and said, you know, because 318 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:12.759 our dogs were so unusual and big and black and 319 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:17.839 just plots them. Yeah, she goes, oh, you've got to 320 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:22.599 bring your dogs down animal planets coming down to film, 321 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.400 and you know, I want I want you guys there, 322 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.079 so you know, I've hid their favorite handkerchief around their 323 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.279 neck and prettied them up and we tried it on 324 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:36.480 down there, and so you know, they filmed us you 325 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:40.200 know in this three Dog Bakery, and then in the 326 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:42.200 French Quarter and this was, you know again in the 327 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:45.400 French Quarter, and again Mike Outa says, you know, this 328 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:50.599 was you know, months prior to us moving or even 329 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:55.039 leaving New Orleans. So and then to turn it on 330 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.920 and it you know, the television happened to be on 331 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:04.960 that station, that show happened to be on at that 332 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:10.519 exact time, was just beyond coincidence. It was just totally 333 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:15.160 People were like freaking out, like oh, pretty full, and 334 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:16.759 I'm like, no, this is this. 335 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:21.640 Is just needless to say. They were more nervous about 336 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:24.920 us from that moment forward, and there was no undoing it. 337 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.759 Yeah, well, Luke, do you have any anything you want 338 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:31.119 to throw in? Uh? 339 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.480 No, it is all. It's all very interesting. I mean, 340 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.240 as I was saying to you earlier, usually people who. 341 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.880 Have paranormal encounters or people who have conspiracy theories, they 342 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.359 have a single theme or some set of common characters. 343 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:47.680 But you two seem to be at the right place 344 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:49.160 at all the wrong times. 345 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:55.279 And have thank you. Yeah, I'm asked for I think, 346 00:21:55.440 --> 00:22:00.480 I mean, we we we can't even even it's far 347 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.680 into it. Understand what in the world is happening to us. 348 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:08.079 I mean, there's no answers for us whatsoever. It's just 349 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:11.880 it is ongoing and we have discovered it. You know 350 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.720 that we'll get into later if you're interested. Other family 351 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:20.759 members on Chad's side that are having familiar encounters. So, 352 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:23.480 I mean, it's just it's bizarre. 353 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:24.920 It's just bizarre. 354 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:32.000 Yeah, the gentleman that owned that saloon that we were 355 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.400 speaking about. When we first got up into those mountains, 356 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:37.759 of course we had to go in the saloon because, 357 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:39.759 as Chad said, it looked like something straight out of 358 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:45.000 the eighteen hundreds. And so it was afternoon, the place 359 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:49.440 was emptied. There was nobody there but the owner, and 360 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:54.279 when he, you know, walked up to us to introduce 361 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.720 himself and ask what we wanted to drink, the first 362 00:22:57.720 --> 00:22:59.680 thing that Chad and I saw when we walked in 363 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:07.599 this big saloons were row after row of frozen dacrine machines. Now, 364 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:10.599 we're just leaving the French quarter of New Orleans, where 365 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.839 that's on every corner. But I've lived in lots of 366 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:17.720 places in this country and never saw frozen dacrine machines 367 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:21.920 anywhere but New Orleans. And so to walk into this 368 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:27.839 saloon out of the eighteen hundreds with all these Dacrim machines, 369 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:31.359 and come to find out this guy that owns this 370 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:36.279 place had been our neighbor in the French Quarter and 371 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:41.359 had led seven years prior to move up into this. 372 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.559 I mean, it's just this kind of bizarreness that there 373 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.200 are no explanations for. If this is coincidence, you know, 374 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:50.160 we need better odds. 375 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:54.039 It seems to be sort of a trickster component being 376 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:55.119 mixed into it all. 377 00:23:55.759 --> 00:24:01.519 Totally. That's my favorite word, high high strangeness and trickster. 378 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.200 It's like the universe is kind of kind of playing with. 379 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:10.160 You, totally laughing, employeting, yeah. 380 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.000 Pointing and laughing. 381 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.160 So what other experiences did you have up there? 382 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:21.160 Just you know, there was I'm trying to think right now, 383 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:24.839 because it doesn't we weren't there too many months. I 384 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:28.519 mean it was. The fact was is that we were 385 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:32.599 promised a telephone, because everybody has a telephone by nineteen 386 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:37.240 ninety eight somewhere, and I have to have a phone. 387 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.200 My job is dependent on it. And so we made 388 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:44.759 arrangements of that before we left Albuquerque and moved up there. Well, 389 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.559 just the short story on that business was every time 390 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:50.920 we were waiting for that phone to be installed and 391 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:55.799 had been promised, obviously, we start getting form letters from 392 00:24:55.880 --> 00:25:02.039 the phone company and they were asking for over two 393 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:08.359 hundred thousand dollars either to be paid by cash, a check, 394 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:13.359 or money order. Now we're reading this form letter saying 395 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:18.839 what in what in the what is this about? I 396 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.359 mean it really it was somewhere close to three hundred 397 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.920 thousand dollars they were asking from us to put a 398 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:30.079 phone in. So Chad would march over to the little payphone, 399 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:32.799 the only thing that existed in this small community, at 400 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:36.039 this little local like I said, petticoat junction kind of 401 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.480