Speaker 1: A Cast Classics. Carrie Jade Does Not Exist is a
Speaker 1: story of how one woman who took on over six
Speaker 1: different identities infiltrated the lives of vulnerable people and lied
Speaker 1: her way into gaining their trust.
Speaker 2: It's almost like she hases rare gift of being able
Speaker 2: to ascertain the exact hopes and dreams of a community.
Speaker 2: She offers them exactly that and meant just bails.
Speaker 1: This series tells a story of how Carrie Jade build
Speaker 1: up a picture perfect persona until she finally got tindled
Speaker 1: up in her own web of lives. Find out more
Speaker 1: about Carrie Jade Does Not Exist at acast dot com,
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Speaker 4: And Welcome to this week's edition of Where Did the
Speaker 4: Road Go? This week is part two of our interview
Speaker 4: with Chad and Alta. Dillard Luke is helping me with
Speaker 4: this one. He was not around for the first part,
Speaker 4: but we recorded part two and part three together, so
Speaker 4: part three will be coming up eventually. We let them
Speaker 4: discuss their very odd experiences and they just get weirder
Speaker 4: and weirder as they go. Also want to thank everyone
Speaker 4: who gave me feedback on last week's show and Kundolini.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the support. That was a hard show for
Speaker 4: me to do, and so many of you wrote me
Speaker 4: and had comments and experiences to share.
Speaker 3: It was awesome.
Speaker 4: Also, I plan on doing another show about listeners experiences,
Speaker 4: So if you have some experiences you'd like to share,
Speaker 4: you can email contact at wheredidthroadgo dot com and I
Speaker 4: can record you, or you can just send me the story.
Speaker 4: I've had a few people now send me stories. They
Speaker 4: don't want to read them, or they don't want to
Speaker 4: talk about themselves, but they'd like me to read them.
Speaker 4: So that's a possibility, or you can contact me and
Speaker 4: I will set up a time and we will connect
Speaker 4: and you can tell your story and I will put
Speaker 4: together a group of those, probably for some time later
Speaker 4: in the summer. So whenever I have about an hour's
Speaker 4: worth of stories from you, the listener, without any further ado,
Speaker 4: let's get into this high strangeness with Chad and Alta Dillard.
Speaker 4: All right, Chad and Alta, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 5: Well thanks again for having us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: And let's see if your your phone connection holds up good,
Speaker 4: because you said you're right outside of Fort Knox.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it must be all that gold interfering.
Speaker 6: With that gold that we're pretty sure isn't there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard, I've heard those rumors that it's not.
Speaker 4: Actually that a lot of the world's gold is missing, right.
Speaker 6: A lot of everything is missing and seems to have
Speaker 6: a lot of military all around us. So you know
Speaker 6: these signals you just never know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so let's let's get back into what happened
Speaker 4: to you following your encounter in the French Quarter.
Speaker 6: Okay, so that would have been around in September of
Speaker 6: ninety seven. I would say, coming out of that experience
Speaker 6: me specifically, I was just going through all kinds of trauma,
Speaker 6: internal trauma, emotional trauma. I have this object in my
Speaker 6: upper arm. I prefaced myself because Chad seemed to be okay,
Speaker 6: Jacqueline seemed to be okay, but I wasn't. And what
Speaker 6: I mean by that is something was really changing inside
Speaker 6: of me. And it started off with all the ranges
Speaker 6: of emotions. I started off extremely angry about you know,
Speaker 6: this unseen force involved in our lives. I tried to
Speaker 6: take the object out of my arm myself because I
Speaker 6: was so angry, and this internal voice made it real
Speaker 6: clear to me that that was going to hurt, real
Speaker 6: bad when I put a knife to my skin, because
Speaker 6: I literally was going to cut this out myself. And
Speaker 6: it's just underneath the top layer of skin, but the
Speaker 6: object seems to move. It'll move, it'll bury itself all
Speaker 6: the way down to the bone, and then there will
Speaker 6: be times where it'll actually be standing out in my
Speaker 6: arm like a big bug bite. So very tricky and
Speaker 6: just lots of this, I said, a lot of emotions
Speaker 6: involved in it. And so when I realized that I
Speaker 6: wasn't going to cut it out of my arm, I
Speaker 6: didn't know where to turn. There was no place to turn,
Speaker 6: there was no one to talk to, no support system whatsoever.
Speaker 6: And so it took me about a year, from ninety
Speaker 6: seven to ninety eight to make up my mind that
Speaker 6: I was leaving New Orleans. I was going to leave
Speaker 6: the French Quarter, and I had no idea where I
Speaker 6: was going, but I was driven, compelled to leave that area,
Speaker 6: and I felt that I was being drawn almost to
Speaker 6: the Southwest again. And I told Chad, I basically gave
Speaker 6: him an option or not option. I just said, I've
Speaker 6: got to go. I have to leave here, and I'm
Speaker 6: going back to the Southwest. And I knew that I
Speaker 6: had really no idea where I was headed, but New
Speaker 6: Mexico was all I felt inside of me. It seemed
Speaker 6: to be my you know, the direction, that the direction
Speaker 6: that seemed to be the most obvious to me. And
Speaker 6: so Chad agreed. And it took us about a I said,
Speaker 6: about a year to put those plans in action. I
Speaker 6: actually tried to quit my job. The family that I
Speaker 6: worked for would determined that I wouldn't leave them, and
Speaker 6: so they had an option for me. They said that
Speaker 6: they wanted Chad and I to consider going to Denver,
Speaker 6: Colorado for them to open up a new business, a
Speaker 6: new shop. And I have childhood memories from living in
Speaker 6: a war of Colorado when I was little, and for
Speaker 6: some reason inside of me, I never wanted to return
Speaker 6: to Denver either. But thank goodness, the people that I
Speaker 6: worked for, you know, hung in there with me, and
Speaker 6: so they said, well, go do what you got to do,
Speaker 6: and you know, you may fall that you want to
Speaker 6: go to Denver. And so ultimately D and I now
Speaker 6: we're into nineteen ninety eight, moved to New Mexico. We
Speaker 6: landed in Albuquerque with no direction. Again, I'm founding absolutely crazy,
Speaker 6: but I'm feeling compelled inside myself to do these things.
Speaker 6: And Chad was just agreeable, thank goodness, you know, he
Speaker 6: just or not, I'm not sure, but he was a
Speaker 6: willing participant. And so we ended up in Albuquerque, and
Speaker 6: you know, spent a great deal of money getting ourselves
Speaker 6: set up there, so on and so forth. I was
Speaker 6: allowed to continue my job over the phone, and I
Speaker 6: had a lot of clients over the years that continued
Speaker 6: to keep supporting me. It took us a few months
Speaker 6: of being in Albuquerque for me to realize that's absolutely
Speaker 6: not where we were supposed to be. I tried to
Speaker 6: get help in the sense of I reached out to
Speaker 6: with no book of rules and nobody guiding us.
Speaker 5: I called.
Speaker 6: A gentleman that at the time was the you know,
Speaker 6: was somebody involved in moufon. I didn't even know really
Speaker 6: what moofon was, and he wasn't polite at all. There
Speaker 6: was nothing nice about this gentleman and me. In the
Speaker 6: conversation on the phone, I knew that I had made
Speaker 6: a mistake reaching in that direction, and he wrote me
Speaker 6: off as just literally a crazy and he said he
Speaker 6: was tired of all the crazies coming to his state.
Speaker 6: You know, My understanding was his interest was you know,
Speaker 6: flying crafts and anything that was tangible, and people like
Speaker 6: ourselves were just crazy and he he all that hung
Speaker 6: up on me, and so that gave me a real
Speaker 6: bad taste in my mouth about reaching out any longer.
Speaker 6: So again, Chad and I are just operating off of
Speaker 6: the emotions with you know, nowhere to turn. I came
Speaker 6: outside of my house one day while we lived right
Speaker 6: off of We ended up right off of Route sixty
Speaker 6: six in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and I stepped outside of
Speaker 6: the house and I looked up in the mountains surrounding us,
Speaker 6: and I said to Chad, we're going up there, and
Speaker 6: I pointed, and next thing I know, we're taking day
Speaker 6: trips up into those mountains. And we discovered a small
Speaker 6: community up there that was a very small little village
Speaker 6: that has become quite famous since then, with lots of
Speaker 6: movies being made in that area and so on, but
Speaker 6: it was still very small and very quaint. And it's
Speaker 6: called Madwood pronounced Madrid, spelled like Madrid, and it's a
Speaker 6: very strange area, needless to say. And it also is
Speaker 6: just a couple miles from a smaller village called Crios
Speaker 6: or Cirios, New Mexico. And I bring that out because
Speaker 6: since all of this has happened to Chad and I,
Speaker 6: there's a man that's becoming quite well known in the
Speaker 6: country named Andrew Bishago. And Andrew Bishago claims that he
Speaker 6: has been part of a secret program from childhood. And
Speaker 6: I think he's in his fifties now that his claims
Speaker 6: are that he and many others as children were time portaled.
Speaker 6: Oh you know who I'm speaking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he claims to have gone to Mars with
Speaker 4: Obama or whatever exactly.
Speaker 6: Well, I wouldn't even be bringing him forward with the
Speaker 6: exception of whoops. When I after all of our experiences
Speaker 6: and I started really listening to people out doing interviews
Speaker 6: on these types of shows, one time, I'm listening to Bishago,
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden he mentioned Sorios, New Mexico
Speaker 6: as one of the locations he was time portaled into.
Speaker 6: And needless to say, that got our attention because we
Speaker 6: had been living up in that area and went through
Speaker 6: very I call all the paranormal high strangeness. We had
Speaker 6: a lot of high strangeness happening to us up there,
Speaker 6: and so just the fact that he, you know, chooses
Speaker 6: that location to go public about just really got my attention.
Speaker 6: But I'll have Chad share with you about his encounter
Speaker 6: with what we call a black eyed man rather than
Speaker 6: a black eyed children that you hear so much about
Speaker 6: in this small community called Madrid.
Speaker 5: Well, when we first started going up there, we befriended
Speaker 5: a couple of guys and one of them was just
Speaker 5: this whole really laid back hippie, you know, went by alias.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of them did up there, and
Speaker 5: you know, he was just really He even offered to
Speaker 5: open up his home to us, you know, to to rent.
Speaker 5: And you know, when we told him that we were
Speaker 5: looking for a place up there.
Speaker 6: Actually he really wanted us to live on his property. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's strange.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so you know, we didn't, but we found
Speaker 5: another place back in he was he was in Sios,
Speaker 5: and we didn't. We had found another place that was
Speaker 5: old coal mining house where the coal miners lived. And
Speaker 5: but there was this little saloon. And when I say saloon,
Speaker 5: it was from way back in the cowboy days. Still
Speaker 5: had the hitching post out there, and a lot of
Speaker 5: the old timers still still rode their horses and tied
Speaker 5: to the hitching post out front. And we had kind
Speaker 5: of met a few of the local colorful characters there.
Speaker 5: And we all go to the bar that night and
Speaker 5: you know, eat having drinks, and we're sitting around this
Speaker 5: big round table. There's probably eight, nine, ten of us.
Speaker 5: And as the night wears on, I was just kind
Speaker 5: of sitting across the table from me and this I'm
Speaker 5: sitting next to this, this hippie guy. And as this
Speaker 5: guy starts to drink a little bit more, he gets
Speaker 5: kind of really I don't know his mood, his you know.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't just from drinking. It was just, you know,
Speaker 5: he started changing his attitude and because he was always
Speaker 5: a nice guy, and all of a sudden he said
Speaker 5: something just really ugly towards towards Alta and I and
Speaker 5: you know, and I'm the only one that caught it.
Speaker 5: And I looked over at him, and he looks at me,
Speaker 5: and his eyes are just totally black. I mean, there's
Speaker 5: no pupil, there's no white around my eye, there's nothing.
Speaker 5: It's his whole eyeball is black. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: I just kind of put up a spiritual block, I guess,
Speaker 5: without knowing what I'm doing. And you know, he kind
Speaker 5: of backed down and turned around and left pretty abruptly
Speaker 5: after that. So that was that was pretty crazy, right, you.
Speaker 6: Know, nothing like our lives have been abby normal from
Speaker 6: the beginning, but neither of us have ever encountered, you know,
Speaker 6: anything of that nature, anything like that. And he was
Speaker 6: very clear about how this guy shifted just that quick.
Speaker 6: You know, it was it was an evilness of something
Speaker 6: that was seemed non human in the change, and as
Speaker 6: Chad describes it, the eyes completely changed.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: So, and keep in mind, as Ched indicated, this guy
Speaker 6: lived in this little village that the Shago claims he's
Speaker 6: been time portaled in and out.
Speaker 4: Of right right, because.
Speaker 6: We had a lot of uh, you know, for the
Speaker 6: months that we lived up there, we had quite a
Speaker 6: few people might want to use the word coincidental, but
Speaker 6: we're so beyond that that that word doesn't seem to
Speaker 6: apply to us in any way, such as when we
Speaker 6: get up into these mountains, you know, it's it's as
Speaker 6: rural as you can get other than I think where
Speaker 6: we're sitting right now outside of Fort Knox. And at
Speaker 6: that time, these people who lived up in these villages
Speaker 6: were many of them were Hispanic natives who'd lived there,
Speaker 6: you know, thousands of years. And many of these people
Speaker 6: had no television, nothing like cable. I mean, heaven forbid
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety nine, ninety eight that they've got cable
Speaker 6: up in the mountains. And again that's just unheard of.
Speaker 6: Chad and I we're city folk, and so I decide,
Speaker 6: you know, we come in peace. And we decided, Chad
Speaker 6: and I, that we'd have a big party to sort
Speaker 6: of introduce ourselves to some of these people, and We
Speaker 6: started it off by ordering We couldn't get cable and
Speaker 6: we couldn't get a telephone. We kept being promised a
Speaker 6: telephone and that never happened, and a lot of bizarreness
Speaker 6: associated with trying to get a phone, real craziness. But
Speaker 6: just back to the television part of this. We had
Speaker 6: to order satellite dish. So we decided about the time
Speaker 6: we were getting satellite put in, New Orleans was about to
Speaker 6: have a big hurricane hit it. This was not Katrina.
Speaker 6: This was, you know, fairly common in that part of
Speaker 6: the country hurricanes. So what folks do there is they
Speaker 6: have hurricane parties, and so we decided we would, you know,
Speaker 6: have a hurricane party with the locals and new satellite
Speaker 6: and invite everybody over. It kind of felt like old
Speaker 6: Petticoat Junction show. If you ever saw that old television show,
Speaker 6: That's what it felt like. We were living in the
Speaker 6: middle of this very strange community. So the day that
Speaker 6: we have this party, at the time, Chad and I
Speaker 6: had a big black great Dame and a roddy Dobe
Speaker 6: that were our babies. Because we've never had children, so
Speaker 6: our babies have always been critters and so literally Chad
Speaker 6: is bartending. The dogs are blocked on the stairwell where
Speaker 6: all the neighbors and all the friends that we'd invited
Speaker 6: over could see them, but we kept them away from everyone.
Speaker 6: But everybody was visual. And then everybody's sitting around the
Speaker 6: TV and it's you know, it's like something out of
Speaker 6: the fifties with people just getting television. And I walk
Speaker 6: over and I realized, you know, it's time to turn
Speaker 6: the TV on and let's watch the hurricane move into
Speaker 6: New Orleans. And literally the minute I turned the TV on,
Speaker 6: rather than a hurricane hitting New Orleans, what we see
Speaker 6: is Chad and our two dogs, that great Dane and
Speaker 6: that Roddy Doe literally walking across the screen of the television.
Speaker 6: Now with my mouth hanging open and it's hard to
Speaker 6: make me speakless. Chad is over in the other end
Speaker 6: of the house, you know, playing bartender and host, and
Speaker 6: we've got all these people that we're trying to say,
Speaker 6: we come in Peece, you know, we're friendly and we
Speaker 6: have no ulterior motives kind of party. And there they are,
Speaker 6: my family, walking across the screen of the television. And
Speaker 6: right so, you know, it was one the darkness after another.
Speaker 6: The whole time that we were there.
Speaker 4: And how long did that last with the image on
Speaker 4: the television.
Speaker 6: Hum, it was fairly brief. But what it was was,
Speaker 6: I have Chad described to you why he was on
Speaker 6: television with the dogs. Keep in mind that what he's
Speaker 6: about to describe to you, it happened months prior, if
Speaker 6: not a year or so prior to us moving up
Speaker 6: into these mountains.
Speaker 5: Yeah. When I was in the French Quarter, I used
Speaker 5: to take care of some of the ladies that had
Speaker 5: their shop. I'd go by and help change light bulbs
Speaker 5: and you know, just do different odd jobs for them.
Speaker 5: And this one particular shop I went into was called
Speaker 5: three Dog Bakery and it they had Yappy Hour instead
Speaker 5: of Happy Hour and stuff like that. So one day
Speaker 5: the lady called me up and said, you know, because
Speaker 5: our dogs were so unusual and big and black and
Speaker 5: just plots them. Yeah, she goes, oh, you've got to
Speaker 5: bring your dogs down animal planets coming down to film,
Speaker 5: and you know, I want I want you guys there,
Speaker 5: so you know, I've hid their favorite handkerchief around their
Speaker 5: neck and prettied them up and we tried it on
Speaker 5: down there, and so you know, they filmed us you
Speaker 5: know in this three Dog Bakery, and then in the
Speaker 5: French Quarter and this was, you know again in the
Speaker 5: French Quarter, and again Mike Outa says, you know, this
Speaker 5: was you know, months prior to us moving or even
Speaker 5: leaving New Orleans. So and then to turn it on
Speaker 5: and it you know, the television happened to be on
Speaker 5: that station, that show happened to be on at that
Speaker 5: exact time, was just beyond coincidence. It was just totally
Speaker 5: People were like freaking out, like oh, pretty full, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, this is this.
Speaker 6: Is just needless to say. They were more nervous about
Speaker 6: us from that moment forward, and there was no undoing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Luke, do you have any anything you want
Speaker 4: to throw in? Uh?
Speaker 7: No, it is all. It's all very interesting. I mean,
Speaker 7: as I was saying to you earlier, usually people who.
Speaker 8: Have paranormal encounters or people who have conspiracy theories, they
Speaker 8: have a single theme or some set of common characters.
Speaker 7: But you two seem to be at the right place
Speaker 7: at all the wrong times.
Speaker 6: And have thank you. Yeah, I'm asked for I think,
Speaker 6: I mean, we we we can't even even it's far
Speaker 6: into it. Understand what in the world is happening to us.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's no answers for us whatsoever. It's just
Speaker 6: it is ongoing and we have discovered it. You know
Speaker 6: that we'll get into later if you're interested. Other family
Speaker 6: members on Chad's side that are having familiar encounters. So,
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just it's bizarre.
Speaker 5: It's just bizarre.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the gentleman that owned that saloon that we were
Speaker 6: speaking about. When we first got up into those mountains,
Speaker 6: of course we had to go in the saloon because,
Speaker 6: as Chad said, it looked like something straight out of
Speaker 6: the eighteen hundreds. And so it was afternoon, the place
Speaker 6: was emptied. There was nobody there but the owner, and
Speaker 6: when he, you know, walked up to us to introduce
Speaker 6: himself and ask what we wanted to drink, the first
Speaker 6: thing that Chad and I saw when we walked in
Speaker 6: this big saloons were row after row of frozen dacrine machines. Now,
Speaker 6: we're just leaving the French quarter of New Orleans, where
Speaker 6: that's on every corner. But I've lived in lots of
Speaker 6: places in this country and never saw frozen dacrine machines
Speaker 6: anywhere but New Orleans. And so to walk into this
Speaker 6: saloon out of the eighteen hundreds with all these Dacrim machines,
Speaker 6: and come to find out this guy that owns this
Speaker 6: place had been our neighbor in the French Quarter and
Speaker 6: had led seven years prior to move up into this.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just this kind of bizarreness that there
Speaker 6: are no explanations for. If this is coincidence, you know,
Speaker 6: we need better odds.
Speaker 4: It seems to be sort of a trickster component being
Speaker 4: mixed into it all.
Speaker 6: Totally. That's my favorite word, high high strangeness and trickster.
Speaker 4: It's like the universe is kind of kind of playing with.
Speaker 5: You, totally laughing, employeting, yeah.
Speaker 6: Pointing and laughing.
Speaker 4: So what other experiences did you have up there?
Speaker 6: Just you know, there was I'm trying to think right now,
Speaker 6: because it doesn't we weren't there too many months. I
Speaker 6: mean it was. The fact was is that we were
Speaker 6: promised a telephone, because everybody has a telephone by nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety eight somewhere, and I have to have a phone.
Speaker 6: My job is dependent on it. And so we made
Speaker 6: arrangements of that before we left Albuquerque and moved up there. Well,
Speaker 6: just the short story on that business was every time
Speaker 6: we were waiting for that phone to be installed and
Speaker 6: had been promised, obviously, we start getting form letters from
Speaker 6: the phone company and they were asking for over two
Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars either to be paid by cash, a check,
Speaker 6: or money order. Now we're reading this form letter saying
Speaker 6: what in what in the what is this about? I
Speaker 6: mean it really it was somewhere close to three hundred
Speaker 6: thousand dollars they were asking from us to put a
Speaker 6: phone in. So Chad would march over to the little payphone,
Speaker 6: the only thing that existed in this small community, at
Speaker 6: this little local like I said, petticoat junction kind of
Speaker 6: bed and breakfast, and he'd have to make these phone
Speaker 6: calls to the phone company saying what in you know,
Speaker 6: where's the phone and what is this about? And they
Speaker 6: would apologize to him and say, oh, we'll get that
Speaker 6: installed for you. Well, we got a second form letter.
Speaker 6: It was identical to the first form letter, but they
Speaker 6: dropped ten thousand, like really are you too? And so
Speaker 6: come to find out, Chad, of course he can explain
Speaker 6: what that was about. But more of the more of
Speaker 6: the strange experiences that.
Speaker 5: We were having up there and what it was was
Speaker 5: all of the numbers, you know, on all the telephone
Speaker 5: numbers were taken out of the box, you know, the
Speaker 5: main line, and all the numbers were taken. So they
Speaker 5: were going to have to reinstall or install new lines
Speaker 5: from Fantasy that was the closest Bigot city.
Speaker 6: Which was like twenty five miles away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they were going to have to put in
Speaker 5: all new line and open up a new big box.
Speaker 5: So they were expecting us to pay for all that
Speaker 5: in the big box. So everybody can, you know, so
Speaker 5: they'll have more numbers, you know, right.
Speaker 6: They just never bothered to tell us this until we
Speaker 6: get ourselves relocated up there waiting for a phone to
Speaker 6: be installed. So needless to say, we couldn't stay because
Speaker 6: again my income so on and so forth. So the
Speaker 6: people that I worked for out of New Orleans who
Speaker 6: highly desired for us to go to Denver. For them,
Speaker 6: they had been in business in the French Quarter, a
Speaker 6: family owned business since nineteen twenty nine. They had never
Speaker 6: expanded outside of the French Quarter before, and so this
Speaker 6: was going to be their big launch. And you know,
Speaker 6: the gods were in their favors because there was no
Speaker 6: way Chad and I could stay, and so I finally,
Speaker 6: against my will, agreed to move to Denver for them,
Speaker 6: you know, to keep my job and so on. And
Speaker 6: so it was within months of us up there and
Speaker 6: the cost and I mean it was just unbelievable. Chad
Speaker 6: and I then had to leave and then moved to Denver.
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Speaker 1: Day A cast classics Carrie Jade Does Not Exist is
Speaker 1: a story of how one woman who took on over
Speaker 1: six different identities infiltrated the lives of vulnerable people and
Speaker 1: lied her way into gaining their trust.
Speaker 2: It's almost like she has this rare gift of being
Speaker 2: able to ascertain the exact hopes and dreams of a community.
Speaker 2: She offers them exactly that and meant just bails.
Speaker 1: This series tells a story of how Carrie Jade built
Speaker 1: up a picture perfect persona until she finally got tangled
Speaker 1: up in her own web of lives. Find out more
Speaker 1: about Carrie Jad does not exist at acast dot com
Speaker 1: Forward Slash Classics.
Speaker 6: So now we're in nineteen ninety nine Denver, and it
Speaker 6: just so happens, you know, again, I had a thickness
Speaker 6: in my stomach because I had lived in Alaura, Colorado
Speaker 6: when I was little, and that was my first memory,
Speaker 6: my first childhood memory, was being tested for ESP in
Speaker 6: a hospital there, and so that was it was still
Speaker 6: very uncomfortable for me. Lots of still mystery about all
Speaker 6: of that for me that I can't get answers to,
Speaker 6: and that you know, was weighing very heavy on us
Speaker 6: going to Denver. We get to Denver, we rent a
Speaker 6: large home at the time for all of our stuff
Speaker 6: and our belongings, and we're just going to have to
Speaker 6: play it out. And it so happens that Chad was
Speaker 6: involved in building this new shop with the owner New
Speaker 6: Orleans and some of his helpers, if you will. Chad
Speaker 6: had a great deal of putting that new shop in.
Speaker 6: We finally get that shop open. Jacqueline, who was the
Speaker 6: woman that was taken with Chad and I are had
Speaker 6: this encounter in ninety seven off that street corner. Jacqueline
Speaker 6: still worked for the family business and she wanted to
Speaker 6: come to Denver, so it was just a natural that
Speaker 6: they would send her there to manage this shop. So
Speaker 6: now Jacqueline has now relocated to Denver as well. In
Speaker 6: the meantime, Jacqueline has had a baby, because when this
Speaker 6: event happened to us in ninety seven, none of us
Speaker 6: had had children, So Jacquelin's had a child who's just
Speaker 6: turning a year old at this point, I might add,
Speaker 6: it appears that Jacqueline is pregnant. Within a couple of
Speaker 6: months of us being taken off that corner, her and
Speaker 6: her new baby and baby daddy all come to Denver.
Speaker 6: We open up this new shop, and we're about to
Speaker 6: have a big grand you know, in introduction to the
Speaker 6: city of Denver, that we're there and it's early morning.
Speaker 6: I remember it somewhere around nine ish in the morning.
Speaker 6: The three of us are getting ready for the day
Speaker 6: and so on, and then it was like it was
Speaker 6: the end of the world. Every siren that existed exploded
Speaker 6: around us, and we were just up the road. A
Speaker 6: peace from Columbine, and this was when the Columbine massacre
Speaker 6: took place. And when that happened, I immediately stood up.
Speaker 6: I'll never forget it. And I looked at Chad and
Speaker 6: I said, we are so out of here. We are
Speaker 6: so out of here. And it took very little time.
Speaker 6: Just a few months after we were shutting down that
Speaker 6: shop and literally moving back to the family decided they
Speaker 6: didn't want to follow through with it, after they had
Speaker 6: invested a lot of money, and so next thing I know,
Speaker 6: we're relocating again back to New Orleans. And so by
Speaker 6: this time now it's you know, the end of ninety nine,
Speaker 6: and we're now into the year two thousand and we've
Speaker 6: made a huge circle at a huge expense, really to
Speaker 6: serve no purpose other than the high strangeness and the trickster.
Speaker 6: And then we're back starting all over again where it
Speaker 6: all seemed to begin. Wow, okay, we're still trying to recover.
Speaker 4: So you're then back in Alabama.
Speaker 6: No, we moved back to New Orleans, New Orleans.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Then you went to Alabama, right.
Speaker 6: That was in two thousand and it took you know,
Speaker 6: about it took about the year of two thousand for
Speaker 6: literally Chad and I to fall completely a part of
Speaker 6: the scenes. Whatever we were holding it together with was
Speaker 6: we were coming completely undone. And did you have our
Speaker 6: experiences in New Orleans. I wouldn't. I don't you know.
Speaker 6: We lucky us When we returned to New Orleans. I
Speaker 6: told Chad, I said, I'll go back to New Orleans,
Speaker 6: but I said, I will not go back to the
Speaker 6: quarter as long as we live outside of the French Quarter.
Speaker 6: So we, as I said, lucky us, find ourselves literally
Speaker 6: renting a haunted house, and I mean haunted and a
Speaker 6: very a live house. And on the surface, it all
Speaker 6: looked quite beautiful because we were surrounded in some of
Speaker 6: the most beautiful cemeteries you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 6: And I can't think of a better neighborhood than to
Speaker 6: be surrounded in beautiful cemeteries, because you know, the neighbors
Speaker 6: don't bother you, no noise. It was the house that
Speaker 6: was haunted and alive and scary. And what I mean
Speaker 6: by that is lots of craziness had happened in that
Speaker 6: house prior to us moving into it. We discover after
Speaker 6: we move into it, we started to learn the history
Speaker 6: of the house. Lots of death in that house. Any
Speaker 6: couple who lived there separated or fell completely apart. And
Speaker 6: I don't generally buy into this kind of thing, but
Speaker 6: it was truly happening to Chad and I. And I
Speaker 6: remember one particular event where I'm sitting and watching television
Speaker 6: in the living room and on the surface everything looked
Speaker 6: so lovely. It's the undercurrent that is so scary about
Speaker 6: this place. As I'm watching television, I had a crystal
Speaker 6: sphere sitting up on top of my television on a stand.
Speaker 6: And that sphere didn't fall off. It flew off at
Speaker 6: the top of my television across the room, and it
Speaker 6: had pretty good weight to it and hit the wood
Speaker 6: floor and there was a dent. I mean, it was scary.
Speaker 6: It was very scary, and so needless to say, there's
Speaker 6: a lot to that that Chad and I separated. He
Speaker 6: chose to go to Alabama where his father was living,
Speaker 6: who is in his own business, in the locomotive business.
Speaker 6: And I was not willing to go there, and so
Speaker 6: I stayed behind. And so that kind of then, if
Speaker 6: you will, took us off into a different route. Because
Speaker 6: now Chad and I are separated and he's living in Alabama.
Speaker 6: We were a part about three months, and finally we
Speaker 6: got reconnected and I chose to move to Alabama to
Speaker 6: be with him, and again the high strangeness just amped
Speaker 6: up all around us. Everything that took off running from
Speaker 6: that point forward.
Speaker 4: Okay, let me ask you this. Do you think that
Speaker 4: you're moving into places or going to places where it
Speaker 4: happens to be activity or do you think you guys
Speaker 4: are actually drawing the activity out of the places?
Speaker 6: Oh? What an amazing question. Wow, Chad, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like, I don't know, maybe where it's
Speaker 5: like a magnet. We're drawn to it and it's drawn
Speaker 5: to us. It's kind of a two way street.
Speaker 4: Okay, did now, when you guys were separated, do one
Speaker 4: of you have more experiences than the other. Did it
Speaker 4: quiet down for either of you?
Speaker 5: As far as I'm concerned, it really did. Now. One
Speaker 5: thing I did, and I don't know if I went
Speaker 5: over this in our last interview, but one thing I
Speaker 5: did learn that my dad was having experiences the craft
Speaker 5: that we had seen in nineteen ninety five. My dad
Speaker 5: saw it. My dad and my stepmom they go down
Speaker 5: to Cancun for the millennium, and you know, I kind
Speaker 5: of I'm telling them this story what we saw in Hammon.
Speaker 5: They you know, they were familiar with the area, and
Speaker 5: I was telling them about the story of what we
Speaker 5: had seen in Hammon in nineteen ninety five, and my
Speaker 5: stepmother's kind of looking and you know, with her mouth
Speaker 5: wide opens, like you know, your dad and I went
Speaker 5: down to Camcoon for the millennium for two thousand and
Speaker 5: he said, we we go down at night to watch
Speaker 5: the fireworks, and we decided that the lights from the
Speaker 5: hotel was just really you know, interfering with the enjoying
Speaker 5: the the fireworks. So we move up the cove and
Speaker 5: she said, we set our chairs up, and when we
Speaker 5: set our chairs up, we set them up down below
Speaker 5: this temple of the Puma. And she said, as soon
Speaker 5: as we got set down, all of a sudden, this
Speaker 5: big cat screen out of the jungle, and she said,
Speaker 5: you know, they kind of, you know, all kind of gulped,
Speaker 5: and then you know, went on to start watching the fireworks.
Speaker 5: And she said, as the fireworks are going off, they
Speaker 5: see this craft in the sky. And she said that
Speaker 5: it looked exactly like how I described the craft that
Speaker 5: we saw in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 4: Wow, okay, now, Luke, you also had another question for
Speaker 4: them about the way they felt when they had their
Speaker 4: encounter back in ninety five, and I totally glossed over that.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Ninety seven right, Well, I.
Speaker 7: Was noticing when I was listening to the first part
Speaker 7: that the language you two use to describe how you
Speaker 7: feel during the night of nineteen ninety seven almost seems
Speaker 7: like the feelings are influenced by the beings around you,
Speaker 7: in the sense that you feel bliss because this tall
Speaker 7: blonde woman is giving you this feeling of blitz.
Speaker 8: Or when Chad you talk about the blue figure with
Speaker 8: the metallic object in his hand, you sense his aura,
Speaker 8: or the metallic object with likes that is almost surprised
Speaker 8: by you. You can sense its intelligence. And I was
Speaker 8: wondering if that's I mean, is it similar to how
Speaker 8: I'm describing it.
Speaker 6: As far as I'm concerned, I feel that you're hearing
Speaker 6: that for the most part, very properly, or at least
Speaker 6: the way we're trying to relay it. I will say
Speaker 6: this that I don't know necessarily that it was the
Speaker 6: blonde being in my case that was all about the bliss.
Speaker 6: It felt to me, as I kept repeating, when I'm
Speaker 6: in that encounter, I felt I was home, that I
Speaker 6: knew I was home, wherever that was, wherever that creator was,
Speaker 6: whoever she is, I felt home, and that home, that
Speaker 6: sense of home was so essential to my being because
Speaker 6: I don't know that I've ever felt that before, just
Speaker 6: so in my particular case, it felt like the all
Speaker 6: encompassing she just was a dairy on top, if you will,
Speaker 6: you know, in regards to my experience Chat, and regards
Speaker 6: to was it the Blue Being.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. I mean the Blue Being was just so
Speaker 5: his aura, his presence was just so inviting, so caring.
Speaker 7: Okay, so you kind of had this empathetic feel for
Speaker 7: what they were also feeling.
Speaker 5: Yes, in my case, yes, Okay, it's very interesting.
Speaker 6: If I may add Soriah backing up for a moment
Speaker 6: that feels just important to get it fed. When Chat
Speaker 6: and I are separated and I'm still in New Orleans.
Speaker 6: You asked about any other I think high strangeness or
Speaker 6: you know, bizarreness or whatever taking place. I don't really
Speaker 6: remember specifically other than I felt that I was in
Speaker 6: a survival game. I became very sick. I started becoming
Speaker 6: very ill, and almost immediately when Chad left, and so
Speaker 6: I became a workaholic and was not taking care of
Speaker 6: myself and just getting sicker and sicker, and towards the
Speaker 6: end of that three months, I remember very clearly it
Speaker 6: was a beautiful afternoon and I'm walking through the Quarter
Speaker 6: after work, and the streets are very busy, and all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, I hear somebody yelling my name, and
Speaker 6: I look over and it's an old friend that I
Speaker 6: had not seen in years, and he happens to be
Speaker 6: from Montalk. Originally, he had relocated to the Quarter years prior,
Speaker 6: as we all had, and we found each other back
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety four ninety five, sorry, nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 6: when Chadd and I first moved to the French Quarter.
Speaker 6: So we've been friends for about five years or so.
Speaker 6: Hadn't seen him in a long time. He hollers my name.
Speaker 6: We get reunited, he said, let's go have a drink.
Speaker 6: We sat at a little outdoor cafe. He's drinking a coke.
Speaker 6: I think I ordered a beer, and again, everybody's sober.
Speaker 6: There's no drugs involved here, there's no alcohol really involved here.
Speaker 6: I don't even remember drinking the beer. As we're sitting
Speaker 6: and trying to play ketchup. Of course he shot that
Speaker 6: Chad and I are not together. He also was aware
Speaker 6: that I was sick. I was starting to look sick
Speaker 6: as well. You know, it was becoming a parent. And
Speaker 6: as we're visiting, talking, trying to play ketchup, all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, out of nowhere, and I mean, this came
Speaker 6: out of left field. This was as weird as I
Speaker 6: everything else. To me, he says, have you heard about Will?
Speaker 6: And I said, Will, are you talking about dark Boy?
Speaker 6: How do you know Will? And I don't even remember
Speaker 6: him responding to me. And Will is the young man
Speaker 6: that was the shape shifter that I call the wolfie
Speaker 6: boy from Jacqueline's days. And he says yeah. He says,
Speaker 6: Will has gone around telling everybody that he's catching a
Speaker 6: buff out of town because the aliens are after him.
Speaker 6: Now that freaked me out so bad because it was
Speaker 6: whom it was now as hysphirical. But at the time, again,
Speaker 6: I was gutsmacked. It was where the hell did that
Speaker 6: come from? And I mean it was just it was
Speaker 6: like it had been set up. I just looking for
Speaker 6: the cameras. You know, it's like I'm always looking for
Speaker 6: the camera, like somebody's pointing and laughing and candid camera
Speaker 6: and so many things more important enough to play these
Speaker 6: jokes on. I mean, it was just that bizarre, so.
Speaker 4: It wasn't Maybe maybe that's what it is. Maybe there's
Speaker 4: some intelligence somewhere else in the universe or outside the
Speaker 4: universe that picks people out and says, let's have fun
Speaker 4: with them.
Speaker 6: Well, we've sure had it, I'll tell you, and we
Speaker 6: played our part well because but the most part I'm
Speaker 6: written off is crazy and yeah, easy pickings. And then again,
Speaker 6: just to top it off, you know, we get relocated
Speaker 6: to Alabama of all places, and find out that his
Speaker 6: dad and his brother are having some of this bizarre
Speaker 6: type of experience as an encounter.
Speaker 4: So well, it's not unusual for those things to run
Speaker 4: in families too, which has always struck me as kind
Speaker 4: of odd.
Speaker 6: Right right, Well, it's like my mother saying, you know,
Speaker 6: in nineteen fifty seven, in fifty eight, up or metallic
Speaker 6: craft came out of the sky and stopped her on
Speaker 6: the highway. I mean, it's just people have always thought,
Speaker 6: because if they hear this story that it's all coming
Speaker 6: from me, And I'm like, wait a minute. You know,
Speaker 6: Chad and I got arranged and his family seemed to
Speaker 6: be pretty active in this craziness as well, so it
Speaker 6: can't be all blamed on me.
Speaker 4: So what what At what point did you rejoin with Chad?
Speaker 6: So we were a part about three months and literally
Speaker 6: I collapsed on my job, was rushed to the hospital,
Speaker 6: and it was my employer who had Chad's father's phone number.
Speaker 6: Chad's number I don't remember, and it was it was
Speaker 6: she that called and told them that I was very
Speaker 6: sick in the with a lot of concern about if
Speaker 6: I was gonna literally make it or not. And uh,
Speaker 6: and I've yah. We found that interesting as well, because
Speaker 6: I try to avoid doctors in hospitals like the plague,
Speaker 6: and with this object in my upper arm so obvious.
Speaker 6: I mean, you can't physically look at my arm and
Speaker 6: see it, but you know, I'm imagining I'm being examined
Speaker 6: and so on. And nobody has taken note of this
Speaker 6: in my arm at all, and or they're not supposed to.
Speaker 6: I just don't know. But anyhow, Chad found out his
Speaker 6: father tells him, you know that I'm very sick, and
Speaker 6: I mean he's instantly coming there and getting me and
Speaker 6: then bringing me back to Alabama. And so it was
Speaker 6: we were a part about three months. So this one
Speaker 6: now we're now into two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: Now, let me ask you something about your implant. Does
Speaker 4: it ever burn when you touch it?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: And you know, I just would like to preface just
Speaker 6: for the purpose of the language. I certainly understand people
Speaker 6: calling these implants, but in my case, I have never
Speaker 6: used that term. I've always referred to these objects as unknowns, right,
Speaker 6: because I have more memory of it being implanted. I
Speaker 6: have another object in my wrist from another encounter, and
Speaker 6: it's very different. It's it's behavior, it's everything is very
Speaker 6: different than the first object. And so this is again
Speaker 6: my purpose of just using the language of unknown just
Speaker 6: for my own purposes, because again I have no memory
Speaker 6: of this first one being implanted. In the second object,
Speaker 6: that all came about an explosion of light in my wrist.
Speaker 6: It's like my wrist exploded in light, right, I.
Speaker 4: Think it's about that in the first interview.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, so I've never had any burning. It's never
Speaker 6: when I say at placed Tricks, though, when I went
Speaker 6: in to get my original X rays. It was a
Speaker 6: doctor lear who requested these X rays. I was in
Speaker 6: communication with him long distance, and he's the one that
Speaker 6: gave me the guidance that I had to get these
Speaker 6: pictures before he would go any further with me. And
Speaker 6: so when I went in originally to get the first
Speaker 6: there's again a great deal to all of these encounters
Speaker 6: in these stories. But when I went in to get
Speaker 6: the original X rayse this object refused to take a picture.
Speaker 6: And again you can feel it, touch it, almost see
Speaker 6: it just underneath the top layer of skin. When it
Speaker 6: allows you to, you can actually feel its perimeter. It
Speaker 6: seems to change shape. But it would not allow a
Speaker 6: picture until the third take, and the skeleton staff that
Speaker 6: was working in the doctor's office to X ray my
Speaker 6: arm became terrified. That's that's a word that I knuse
Speaker 6: a lot of when I'm very aware of somebody afraid.
Speaker 6: Now they're flipping out because when you can see and
Speaker 6: touch and feel something that's as solid as this appears
Speaker 6: to be, and yet you take an X ray two
Speaker 6: times in a row and get a perfect skeletal X
Speaker 6: ray of my arm and there's nothing there, they're starting
Speaker 6: to really again a great deal to that story, but
Speaker 6: it seems to play tricks. And I finally, on the
Speaker 6: third try, I look up, literally just look up above
Speaker 6: me in this room, in this X ray room, and
Speaker 6: I said, throw a dog of bone, give me a break.
Speaker 6: I got to have this picture. And then it took
Speaker 6: the picture. And so I went through that a second time.
Speaker 6: When doctor e Lear required a second X ray, it
Speaker 6: did the same identical thing. And the object that's in
Speaker 6: my wrist won't take an X ray at all. It's
Speaker 6: only been detected by ultrasound.
Speaker 4: So huh, okay, well, let's let's let's move back to Alabama.
Speaker 4: So you're both in Alabama at this point. This is
Speaker 4: two thousand and one, won't.
Speaker 6: Now Chad has learned of his father's encounter or experience
Speaker 6: with his stepmother down in Mexico with that craft that
Speaker 6: looked identical to or at least they say it sounded
Speaker 6: identical to what we were shown originally in ninety five Louisiana.
Speaker 6: And then Billy mean like I hadn't had enough. I
Speaker 6: hate being bored. I'm not really a Southern kind of girl,
Speaker 6: and I just deciled all of a sudden, we only
Speaker 6: did this once and I don't expect we'll do it again.
Speaker 6: But I tell Chad, let's join a ghostly hunting group.
Speaker 6: You know, it just started to get popular on television
Speaker 6: and whatever, and I was just so bored, and I thought,
Speaker 6: let's joined this group and see what's out there. And
Speaker 6: well that was that was a big mistake on our part.
Speaker 6: And like I said, you know, I'm slow, but I
Speaker 6: eventually get it. This woman decides because we're coming out
Speaker 6: of the French Quarter, New Orleans, she's real interested in
Speaker 6: that's being a part of her group. She understands me
Speaker 6: to be a professional medium, and so she's I guess
Speaker 6: maybe got as Chad saying high hopes on me on
Speaker 6: us joining her group. And that was never my interest.
Speaker 6: I was just bored and was just curious. Well, Ghosty's real,
Speaker 6: and I certainly felt like they, you know, whatever that means.
Speaker 6: We've certainly been experiencing the invisible a great deal. And
Speaker 6: so she asked us to meet her at a location
Speaker 6: to do an investigation. And she's got all the fancy equipment,
Speaker 6: the tripods and all the cameras, and it's just a
Speaker 6: little on me and Chad. We don't even carry a camera,
Speaker 6: and so we show up at this We had to
Speaker 6: drive well over an hour out in the boondocks of Alabama,
Speaker 6: and she has this meter at a old mobile home
Speaker 6: that's sitting in an old mobile home park around a
Speaker 6: pond or a small lake. And right next to this
Speaker 6: old mobile home is a concrete building that I was
Speaker 6: more interested in than I was that trailer. The energy
Speaker 6: coming out of that concrete building really had my attention,
Speaker 6: and so trying to give you sort of the short
Speaker 6: story on this. She never said anything to me at
Speaker 6: all what we were doing there, just this was an investigation,
Speaker 6: and she just wanted to know what did we sense
Speaker 6: and what did I feel and what have you. So
Speaker 6: in a very short amount of time, I was able
Speaker 6: to determine that the old woman that had lived in
Speaker 6: this mobile home had died there, and that she didn't
Speaker 6: die in her bedroom. She died in her living room
Speaker 6: on the couch.
Speaker 5: And I went right to that.
Speaker 6: So this gal could see that apparently I could do
Speaker 6: whatever she thought I could do, I could do it.
Speaker 6: And she said that now I never saw this, but
Speaker 6: Chad saw the red orb there was.
Speaker 5: She she had taken. She was taken pictures and video
Speaker 5: and stuff.
Speaker 6: But there was this was when we were out in
Speaker 6: the yard and this is daytime.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's this red orb kind of following alto
Speaker 5: around whatever that means.
Speaker 6: She captured this on film, this whatever this red orb
Speaker 6: was about. And uh so the next thing I know,
Speaker 6: when this uh I believe it was the old woman
Speaker 6: who had died in this place. I believe it was
Speaker 6: her daughter or granddaughter. Maybe it was her granddaughter and
Speaker 6: an adult granddaughter who had small children herself. They had
Speaker 6: asked us if we would go visit some other family
Speaker 6: members at their homes that they felt was haunted. Well,
Speaker 6: by this time, I'm starting to be sorry that we
Speaker 6: ever got involved in this, but we accept We agreed
Speaker 6: to out of politeness because I'm thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 6: this isn't like the television shows. You know, we can't help,
Speaker 6: there's nothing we can do. I'm not here to try
Speaker 6: to prove anything, and I realized that I was in
Speaker 6: over my head. Well, out of politeness, we accepted. So
Speaker 6: we end up in two different family members' homes. It
Speaker 6: seemed like, I mean, we were there all day, well
Speaker 6: until close to the evening, examining one house that was
Speaker 6: way too scary for my liking in terms of its
Speaker 6: activity what they were reporting, I knew there was nothing
Speaker 6: we could do. Then this granddaughter asked if we would
Speaker 6: come to her home and speak to her young son.
Speaker 6: And he was probably about ten, I'm thinking nine or
Speaker 6: ten years old, and he was not childlike in regards
Speaker 6: to his explaining to us what he saw. He was
Speaker 6: very adult. I remember when I met him. When we
Speaker 6: walked into this woman's home, she had her husband, boyfriend
Speaker 6: whatever he was, and two other guys. The three of
Speaker 6: them were sitting on the couch staring at the television
Speaker 6: looking like they were scared to death. These guys looked
Speaker 6: like bikers, big burly bikers that you can't imagine could
Speaker 6: get scared of anything, and yet they were lined up
Speaker 6: on that couch when we walked past, and she sort
Speaker 6: of pointed them out as to who they were. They
Speaker 6: never stood up and wanted to talk to us or anything.
Speaker 6: They just acted scared to death, and I thought, what
Speaker 6: in the world is going on on around here. She
Speaker 6: then had me go into the kitchen brings out her
Speaker 6: little boy. I squatted down where him and I were
Speaker 6: like eye level, and he seemed very comfortable with me,
Speaker 6: almost instantly, and he proceeded, I'll have Chad share with
Speaker 6: you because I just it scared me so much what
Speaker 6: I was hearing out of him that I just kind
Speaker 6: of shut down. This is what he described that he
Speaker 6: witnessed at that mobile home where his grandmother, a great grandmother,
Speaker 6: had died.
Speaker 5: He said that he was out on the front porch
Speaker 5: and then and he's kind of leaning over the middle rail,
Speaker 5: you know, because he's short, so he's kind of got
Speaker 5: the brace rail and he's kind of leaning over the
Speaker 5: deck of the porch and he's looking down, and he said,
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, this creature comes out from underneath
Speaker 5: the porch, and he said it kind of looked like
Speaker 5: a monkey, but it had lizard skin. And it walked
Speaker 5: out about six seven eight foot out into the yard
Speaker 5: and then it stopped all of a sudden, and it
Speaker 5: turned around and looked at him and kind of like,
Speaker 5: I guess, surprised to see him. He said, it turned
Speaker 5: back around, took three or four more steps, and just vanished.
Speaker 5: It just disappeared in the thin air. No bushes around.
Speaker 5: This was a clean yard. There were some trees there,
Speaker 5: but nothing bushy, nothing that it could just you know,
Speaker 5: run off into He said, it just disappeared in the
Speaker 5: thin air.
Speaker 6: And again, if that wasn't crazy enough, and he seemed so,
Speaker 6: I'm extremely sensitive. And it's not that you can't lie
Speaker 6: to me and get away with it. I'm sure many
Speaker 6: have throughout my life. But it truly, it truly felt
Speaker 6: as if this child was speaking his absolute truth. And
Speaker 6: so at this point, now I've just about had enough,
Speaker 6: and I'm kind of signaling Chad that I'm ready to
Speaker 6: get out of there. And next thing we hear is
Speaker 6: his mother then goes on to share what happened to
Speaker 6: her on that porch. I'll have Chad again describe to
Speaker 6: you what we were told.
Speaker 5: She said that, you know, after all this activity, she
Speaker 5: decided to grab the family Bible and go out on
Speaker 5: the porch and start reading out a revelation. And she
Speaker 5: said she's reading and all of a sudden, sudden, something
Speaker 5: grabs her by the head of her hair. She's got
Speaker 5: this long blonde hair. She said, it grabs her, pulls
Speaker 5: her down and starts pulling her and her boyfriend and
Speaker 5: another guy there and they grab her feet and they've
Speaker 5: got her up in the air and this thing's pulling her.
Speaker 5: One way and they're pulling the other and you know,
Speaker 5: like have have to said earlier, these were big, tough
Speaker 5: guys and they've got her up in the air and
Speaker 5: they're doing this tug a war out on this porch.
Speaker 6: Well, I might add that's enough. Now we've had enough.
Speaker 6: We definitely want to know. And I'm saying silently to Chad,
Speaker 6: never again, I swear chat never again. I'll stay bored
Speaker 6: before I'll ever get involved in anything like this again.
Speaker 6: We got to go at this time now, is I'm
Speaker 6: signaling Chad? Now? The family have tried to give us money,
Speaker 6: They've tried to pay us. They were so sincere about
Speaker 6: what was happening to them, and they were so appreciative
Speaker 6: of us giving them all this time. And of course
Speaker 6: we're saying no, absolutely not, and I'm so sorry that
Speaker 6: we can't do anything for you. If you are religious,
Speaker 6: people lean on your community, you know, to pray for you,
Speaker 6: pray with you, do whatever you need to do. And
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry we can't do anything for you, and
Speaker 6: we have to go, you know, as we're trying to get.
Speaker 5: Out the door.
Speaker 6: Well then we realized that what these three guys are
Speaker 6: sitting on the couch staring at and the television is
Speaker 6: the weather channel, because as I look out the door,
Speaker 6: as we're starting out the door, it's still light out.
Speaker 6: The skies are literally turning black.
Speaker 5: Now, this was a beautiful day. I ges we had
Speaker 5: been outside, and I mean, this has just been a
Speaker 5: perfect beautiful day, no hint of ugly, nasty weather, no.
Speaker 6: Warnings, no nothing. But again, it's like being on a
Speaker 6: movie set. It's like somebody said, Okay, you know, let's
Speaker 6: get the tornado weather going now. And by the time
Speaker 6: we could get out of this house literally enter our
Speaker 6: vehicle to drive away from this place again, sirens are
Speaker 6: going off everywhere, and Chad and I realize we don't
Speaker 6: even know where the hey we're at. You know, we're
Speaker 6: new to Alabama and we're out in the middle of
Speaker 6: booney Alabama. How do we get home?
Speaker 5: This was before GPS, so right, yeah, this is.
Speaker 6: You know, two thousand and one. So now we're caught
Speaker 6: in tornadoes that I when I say caught in them.
Speaker 6: They're going off all around us. We're heading down the highway.
Speaker 6: We finally ched finally figures out the direction to get
Speaker 6: us home on and as we're coming down the highway.
Speaker 6: Everything's at a screeching halt. This traffic has stopped. It
Speaker 6: is pelting rain and hail, and there's a female probably
Speaker 6: in her late teens early twenties, running down the middle
Speaker 6: of the highway, screaming towards running towards us. And what
Speaker 6: we realize is now, Chad is we look over kind
Speaker 6: of to the left and I don't know how many
Speaker 6: hundreds of feet ahead of us, a tornado has just
Speaker 6: come across that highway, went up a small hill and
Speaker 6: exploded a brand new house. It didn't hit the house,
Speaker 6: it exploded it like a bomb, right, And this woman
Speaker 6: is screaming for help. So Chad's trying to jump out
Speaker 6: of the car. I'm trying to pull him back in
Speaker 6: because he's going to, you know, go do what he
Speaker 6: can do. But by the time, you know, he realizes
Speaker 6: there's already all kinds of people up there, and he
Speaker 6: knows he'll probably be more in the way. I'm relieved
Speaker 6: he gets back in the car, but now we're trapped.
Speaker 6: We are literally trapped in the middle of this tornado insanity.
Speaker 6: So anyhow, without sounding over dramatizing, it was an same day.
Speaker 6: It was my last ghostly hunt and we finally made
Speaker 6: it home. You know, I guess faith and sound just
Speaker 6: crazier than ever.
Speaker 5: So that was the gift the floor and were like, okay,
Speaker 5: never he is never ever again.
Speaker 6: So that was the beginnings of Alabama.
Speaker 4: You said, that was the beginning of Alabama.
Speaker 6: That was our beginnings of the high strangeness, the craziness,
Speaker 6: the insanity of Alabama. Alabama. I might add, most people
Speaker 6: don't realize this, or they don't think about it, but
Speaker 6: it does also happen to be the home of NASA,
Speaker 6: which was only a mores away from where we lived.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that. I guess. I always thought it
Speaker 4: was headquartered in neither Houston or Florida, but I guess
Speaker 4: that's just where they launch out of.
Speaker 7: Huh.
Speaker 6: Right, Werner von Braun as in, you know, the head
Speaker 6: of the missile projects and so forth, he started. He
Speaker 6: literally built a community called Huntsville, Alabama, which is something
Speaker 6: Arsenal red Redstone Arsenal, and it was his town and
Speaker 6: he built it in NASA.
Speaker 4: Huh all right, all right, And that's where we're going
Speaker 4: to stop for part two. Part three will beyond sometime
Speaker 4: in the next month or so. Upcoming Next week we
Speaker 4: have a live interview with Michael M. Hughes and that
Speaker 4: should be really interesting. He's written some fictional books, Blackwater
Speaker 4: Lights and witch Lights. He does write nonfiction. We'll be
Speaker 4: talking to him about all kinds of different subjects from
Speaker 4: the paranormal to shamanism, and of course we'll be discussing
Speaker 4: the inspiration behind his fictional work as well. So you
Speaker 4: can find more about him where Did the Roadgo dot com.
Speaker 4: Also upcoming, we have already six Killer Clark and she'll
Speaker 4: be talking about UFO experiences of the Maya people. We
Speaker 4: have Rick Strassman, which is a two part interview, the
Speaker 4: first part dealing with his initial book on DMT, the
Speaker 4: Spirit Molecule, and the second one dealing with DMT and
Speaker 4: the Soul of Prophecy. And that's a fascinating talk. Went
Speaker 4: a little over two hours, so we splitting it into
Speaker 4: two shows. In addition, we have Peter Robbins and Richard
Speaker 4: Dolan who will be live in studio June thirteenth. They
Speaker 4: will also be doing a for those of you that
Speaker 4: are interested. They'll be doing a what's called the Dealer's
Speaker 4: Choice Show on WVBR.
Speaker 3: Which is where the studio is located.
Speaker 4: And what that is is a show where various hosts
Speaker 4: for the specialty shows on WVBR have two hours to
Speaker 4: do whatever they want with So what I'm doing with
Speaker 4: it is I'm turning it over to Peter Robbins and
Speaker 4: Richard Dolan and we're gonna talk about whatever they want
Speaker 4: to talk about, and they're going to play music they love.
Speaker 4: So that will also be You can tune into that
Speaker 4: live when it airs, which will be June thirteenth around
Speaker 4: three pm Eastern until five pm Eastern, or I will
Speaker 4: post a link to it stream it afterwards if you're interested.
Speaker 4: All right, So we will see you next week with
Speaker 4: Michael Hughes. And here's some psychic corporation to take us out.
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