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Speaker 2: The Diachtlas past incident.
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Speaker 1: Why you are podcast?
Speaker 2: The spectacular contenuus with the Halloween addition to the Cosmic
Speaker 2: Peach podcast, and we are gonna be talking about the
Speaker 2: Doomed expedition. And who do we have on tonight? Well,
Speaker 2: we have on the new host of the Cleveland Shwill podcast,
Speaker 2: my very own cousin, Brian. How are you hey?
Speaker 1: What's up? Cosmic Peach listeners, And it's nice to be back.
Speaker 2: It's going down because I have my theories, you have
Speaker 2: your theories, and the listeners have their own theories, which.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to ruffle some feathers. Toy, I
Speaker 1: did so, and I'm okay with that. Go ahead and
Speaker 1: just tell me how stupid I am in the comments.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: No, So all right, So what I'm gonna do, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna just kind of break down the beginning and then
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you jump in. So what I have
Speaker 2: is a group of nine mountaineers embark on a winter
Speaker 2: trek into Russia's I think it's pronounced Earl mountains, and
Speaker 2: their destination was a mountain called Mount o Torton. It
Speaker 2: is in Russia, obviously, and the locals call it oh Torton,
Speaker 2: which is Mancy for do not go there. So in
Speaker 2: the group there were three experienced engineers and the others
Speaker 2: were students. They were all young. The oldest of them
Speaker 2: was like thirty seven and get this, they had conducted
Speaker 2: other treks to this area, so this was not their
Speaker 2: first time.
Speaker 1: And actually most of them are highly.
Speaker 2: Experience, right right, and they were successful in their previous tracks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, but for reasons we will obviously be discussing this
Speaker 2: particular track on February first, nineteen fifty nine, ended up
Speaker 2: in the deaths of all nine hikers, right your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's talk about how the bodies were found
Speaker 1: and why it is so appealing to people, especially because
Speaker 1: it's so confusing, you know. So one of the things
Speaker 1: we were going to debate that this is what I
Speaker 1: have written down is the tents were found cut from
Speaker 1: the inside, open with provisions and things left behind when
Speaker 1: they ran out. Okay, when some of the bodies were found,
Speaker 1: they had high levels of radiation, one was missing a tongue,
Speaker 1: one was missing eyes cuts. Some of the bodies were
Speaker 1: described as being found with such extreme trauma, like blunt
Speaker 1: force type trauma that they knew a human being could
Speaker 1: not have done it. They were destroyed these bodies. What
Speaker 1: I have two is, you know, there was remnants of
Speaker 1: a fire. Some of the people were wearing the other
Speaker 1: one's clothes. So it was interesting though, because they were
Speaker 1: very good about documenting while they were going. They took
Speaker 1: a lot of pictures and they wrote their famili's postcards
Speaker 1: and that's part of the reason why a search party
Speaker 1: ended up coming out anyway, because the postcards stopped coming.
Speaker 1: I do know that the day that they were ended
Speaker 1: up at that pass, which a memorial now sits on
Speaker 1: it and it's actually highly visited. A lot of people go there.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a memorial thing put up there. But
Speaker 1: the day that they were actually doing that track horrible,
Speaker 1: This is completely documented. A horrible snowstorm came in very
Speaker 1: high winds, extremely loud, and actually pushed them off course
Speaker 1: and that's how they ended up over there, because the
Speaker 1: course was not plotted from there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have that they ended up at a place called
Speaker 2: they set up camp atop an area called co lot Seacle,
Speaker 2: which translates to the Mountain of the Dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I did not. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about that, and who knows if it got
Speaker 1: that name after the incident. I do know that some
Speaker 1: of that stuff though, like local people knew you don't
Speaker 1: go there, like yeah, that's why it.
Speaker 2: Was called the Do Not Go There Mountain pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. I do know that. You know,
Speaker 1: it is interesting the tracks that they found, like leaving
Speaker 1: the tents. None of them were wearing boots or shoes.
Speaker 1: They're either in socks or barefoot. Yeah, one person's hand
Speaker 1: was found bitten. One there's pieces of flesh found up
Speaker 1: in the trees. I mean, this was all.
Speaker 2: Talking about actually, while we're on that, if we're talking
Speaker 2: about how they were found. So this is what I
Speaker 2: have for my notes that I wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: I read to you and you got and got your thoughts,
Speaker 2: because I have something was obviously pushing them to run
Speaker 2: away without taking any clothing with them, no supplies, nothing,
Speaker 2: so it would appear to me that they were flighting
Speaker 2: and not fighting. So basically they were found in what
Speaker 2: can be described as various states of mutilation, Like some
Speaker 2: of them were burned, some of them suffered radiation poisoning.
Speaker 2: One like you said the tongue was missing, and someone
Speaker 2: said they looked prematurely aged, that their skin was literally
Speaker 2: orange and their hair had turned gray.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. Yeah, I don't know that about
Speaker 1: that body. I don't know if that's something that could
Speaker 1: also have to do with a high levels of radiation.
Speaker 2: Right, because one of the theories was like maybe an
Speaker 2: animal got a hold of them, and then I saw
Speaker 2: someone try to debunk it and go the area where
Speaker 2: they were in was so inhospitable that there wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been animals to like start eating them.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't completely roll out animals. I mean, animals are
Speaker 1: very resilient, they're smart, they know what they need to
Speaker 1: be doing, and like they're not going to miss an
Speaker 1: opportunity to take advantage of anything. You know, they don't
Speaker 1: have the McDonald's up the street, so if they're around
Speaker 1: and there's something there that they can eat and it's
Speaker 1: right there, not going to fight back, I wouldn't roll
Speaker 1: completely out. With the amount of time that passed between
Speaker 1: their deaths and then them being found, which we both
Speaker 1: have discrepancies on that we can get into later. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to reveal all my stuff till the
Speaker 1: end of what I actually think happened. I think we
Speaker 1: could talk about some of the other theories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me actually give you my gist of things.
Speaker 1: Then Okay, let me get.
Speaker 2: This part out of the way, because I feel like
Speaker 2: what I have is what most of our listeners are
Speaker 2: going to be like, yeah, that's what happened. Okay, then
Speaker 2: you can do years and we'll just debate each other then. Okay,
Speaker 2: So basically I have the animal thing couldn't have happened
Speaker 2: because but obviously it's like you said, if they're out
Speaker 2: there for a couple of days, I have that they
Speaker 2: were found ten days later and they were in these
Speaker 2: various states of mutilation. And I also have that because
Speaker 2: the cold should have turned them into popsicles and preserved
Speaker 2: their bodies, why were they found like this like I
Speaker 2: would think, and it's like they're so hospitable. Let's just
Speaker 2: say there's no animals. The cold should have preserved the bodies.
Speaker 2: So you can't blame the cold or the animals. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if there was any radioactive animals that
Speaker 2: could do this, unless spider that bit Peter Parker was
Speaker 2: out there, but that's probably not the case. Okay, let's
Speaker 2: just roll that off. And basically it doesn't stop there
Speaker 2: with like the orange coloration, the hair turning gray, because
Speaker 2: three of them had injuries consistent with being hit by
Speaker 2: a speeding car. But it was all internal, like their
Speaker 2: ribs were crushed like eggshells. Some of them actually had
Speaker 2: shards of their ribs enter into their hearts, but no
Speaker 2: effect on the skin. It was all internal, right.
Speaker 1: That's true. I got the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this has been compared to a direct energy
Speaker 2: weapon to crush the inside and leave the outside pristine
Speaker 2: and there. Yeah, I'm thinking like direct energy weapon because
Speaker 2: basically the snow, the trees, everything else in the era
Speaker 2: was completely untouched. But we have like three people with
Speaker 2: crushed syndrome, a lady with gray hair, no eyes, no tongue,
Speaker 2: all this weird stuff, orange skin yea. And basically the
Speaker 2: official explanation was that the nine died of hypothermia, but
Speaker 2: EEF investigator never believed that was the cause of death
Speaker 2: and refused to sign off on the report and instead
Speaker 2: he completely resigned from the inquiry.
Speaker 1: And it's it's their actual government explanation, which this is
Speaker 1: this is what leads to conspiracy theory. Let's face it
Speaker 1: was basically it's extremely vague. They weren't There was not
Speaker 1: really any uh leaked information period they I mean, they
Speaker 1: basically left it up to interpretation and let and when
Speaker 1: you do that, people are going to fill in the blanks,
Speaker 1: absolu fucking loosely, withever they whatever they want, They're going
Speaker 1: to fill the blank. They're going to fill the blank.
Speaker 1: That's where you get these there's a well, we can
Speaker 1: get into some of the other theories in a minute,
Speaker 1: but i'll when you're ready, I can talk to talk
Speaker 1: to you about them. They're kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Let me just sum up the end and then we
Speaker 2: can get to Brian's interpretations. So basically, I have like
Speaker 2: the local authorities try to cover the whole thing up.
Speaker 2: It was practically forbidden to mention it. And at the end,
Speaker 2: their bodies were buried in zinc coffins and they were
Speaker 2: closed coffins so no one could see them. I looked
Speaker 2: into the whole zinc coffin's thing, and most websites basically
Speaker 2: the information that I found said they used inc coff
Speaker 2: when they need like a really good seal on the coffin,
Speaker 2: which just kind of gave me the creeps, like what
Speaker 2: were they trying to seal in there? Like something coming
Speaker 2: off the corpses, Like what is it? So there was
Speaker 2: enough of an investigation and enough people had seen the
Speaker 2: corpses to conclude that they were not being told the truth.
Speaker 2: For example, why were some of them with their skin
Speaker 2: completely orange? The crushed syndrome thing, It was weird. Oh,
Speaker 2: a lot of people say to this state it's an
Speaker 2: unsolved murder. And just to top it off, years later
Speaker 2: after the event took place, members of the search party
Speaker 2: spoke out and according to their testimony, at the time
Speaker 2: of the incident, strange orange spheres or orbs were seen
Speaker 2: floating in the sky the night of the hiker's death,
Speaker 2: and even more or locals from the area confirmed the
Speaker 2: siding and of course other.
Speaker 1: People hiking and that that did happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Mancy people, like the local people that
Speaker 2: live over there, they were like yeah, And basically, fiery
Speaker 2: spheres have been ever present in Russia, especially in the
Speaker 2: more desolate areas, and locals know they exist, and it's
Speaker 2: basically just become a normal part of life for them.
Speaker 2: And to answer your question from earlier, according to an
Speaker 2: ancient Mancy legend, the Mountain of the Dead where our
Speaker 2: nine hikers were mutilated, received its name after a similar
Speaker 2: incident took place in which nine Mancy men were also
Speaker 2: found dead while seeking salvation from a flood, So I
Speaker 2: know that there was a.
Speaker 1: River or stream real close to there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess that was like back in like
Speaker 2: ancient time zone. That's where the legend came from. But
Speaker 2: my question to you is what would have compelled nine
Speaker 2: experienced mountaineers to flee their camp in their skivvies and
Speaker 2: bare feet and run for their literal lives And what
Speaker 2: in the world could explain the type of damage they sustained?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Okay, let me go into a couple of
Speaker 1: the other more conspiracy type theories, because there are some
Speaker 1: here that some people are going to want to hear mentioned.
Speaker 1: I think, Okay, one, there was actually a photo that
Speaker 1: you can look up that was taken and it was
Speaker 1: we know, we can confirm it's a real photo that
Speaker 1: they know, it's not doctored. It's real. If you look
Speaker 1: it up, i'd say, like yachtlav pass YETI or whatever
Speaker 1: and taken there. Now, so this YETI It's it's one
Speaker 1: of those photos where it's more of like an outline
Speaker 1: of something in the background and you're gonna make your
Speaker 1: own interpretation of it. I think the problem with this
Speaker 1: theory of the picture and them thinking that it could
Speaker 1: be a Yeti there is. Yes, you see some of
Speaker 1: the bodies are mutilated, but the other ones that had
Speaker 1: like severe trauma, there's nothing.
Speaker 2: Done to the skin, nothing on the skin.
Speaker 1: Nothing on the skin. If a bigfoot is whooping your ass,
Speaker 1: you m h, you're gonna have something on the skin
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, you're gonna have something. So I don't
Speaker 1: really like that theory. But the picture is there, and
Speaker 1: it kind of sparked, you know, those who want to
Speaker 1: believe that a Yeti's up there kicking people's butts, and
Speaker 1: they see that picture. I mean, that's gonna be some
Speaker 1: evidence for that. But I just don't think like yeties
Speaker 1: don't have anything to do with radiation. Yeties don't have
Speaker 1: anything to do with you know, cutting your from the
Speaker 1: inside and not like this, they'd be ripping the tent
Speaker 1: open to get to the people. Right. So there's another theory.
Speaker 1: And you talk about the government, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: I think four of the hikers, and I don't know
Speaker 1: they're there, they all went to this school called UPI,
Speaker 1: and four of them had major KGB connections for real,
Speaker 1: like this is one hundred percent true documented They these
Speaker 1: are really smart young people who had connections to the government.
Speaker 1: There are people out there who one hundred percent believe
Speaker 1: that the government could have been involved to try to
Speaker 1: cover up some things. But again that's a lot of
Speaker 1: speculation without a lot of evidence. And I get that
Speaker 1: when we do these things, we have to speculate. Even
Speaker 1: my story is going to be some speculation that had
Speaker 1: happened this way that way. I mean, I can't confirm
Speaker 1: these things. I can't prove it, you know, you just
Speaker 1: have to basically believe it. But there are a lot
Speaker 1: of connections to the KGB with this this hiking group,
Speaker 1: and they were a very smart group of people and
Speaker 1: a lot of engineers, and some of them had military experience.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I think the last person
Speaker 1: to join the expedition was one hundred percent of KGB
Speaker 1: member And like that really got those type of rumors flowing. Okay,
Speaker 1: then when you talked about the craft there they did well.
Speaker 1: People that our meteorologists say everything that that fits with
Speaker 1: ball lightning, and that there is a lot of ball
Speaker 1: lightning in that area, ground lightning, ball lightning, and that
Speaker 1: can look like giant orbs light orbs in the sky,
Speaker 1: and that one of the theories actually about that is
Speaker 1: they said when that ball lightning would happen, they thought
Speaker 1: that the group saw this and was like, we've got
Speaker 1: to document this, and they cut their tents open and
Speaker 1: went out there to try to like get photographs of it.
Speaker 1: But see, to me, because the other campers nearby did
Speaker 1: see these lights in the sky, all that's confirmed that
Speaker 1: that stuff was going on that night the storm. But
Speaker 1: the thing to me that bothers me about that is like,
Speaker 1: if you're going to you're not cutting your tent open
Speaker 1: to take the camera out. You're not running down the
Speaker 1: damn thing bare flick and negative thirty degrees, which it
Speaker 1: was negative thirty degrees. Yeah, no way to go to
Speaker 1: go take some pictures of some stupid ass ball lightning
Speaker 1: with your camera that it's not even a megapixel it
Speaker 1: can't you know, it's going to take sixteen years to
Speaker 1: to develop it. Yeah, So I was like, this, this
Speaker 1: is crap. But that is another one of the theories.
Speaker 1: It's just a hard one for me to swallow because.
Speaker 2: Like you said, these are very intelligent people. This isn't
Speaker 2: Joe Schmoe out there hiking.
Speaker 1: I know, I know they've got a lot of experience,
Speaker 1: They're they're not going to destroy their tent over some
Speaker 1: pictures of ball.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, another interesting one, and I had heard this
Speaker 1: one in the past, is there's a thing called infra sound,
Speaker 1: which is the sound that we can't really hear with
Speaker 1: our ears. But there is a belief that wind, and
Speaker 1: we know that there was a lot of strong wind
Speaker 1: can cause this infra infra sound. And what it does
Speaker 1: is there is a belief that it can cause people
Speaker 1: to do like basically lose their minds, not just to hallucinate,
Speaker 1: like literally start doing things that just most people wouldn't
Speaker 1: ever do think to do. It's it literally drives them crazy, which.
Speaker 2: It sounds like direct energy weapon.
Speaker 1: To me, Well, it can sound like whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just know that it's that's what they're saying,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's ever even been proven,
Speaker 1: you know, like that this stuff drives people crazy or
Speaker 1: does any of this stuff, But they say it causes
Speaker 1: irrational fear and would cause people to behave that way
Speaker 1: running into the thing, bite yourself, cut flesh off, eat
Speaker 1: your friend, and put their clothes on and dive like
Speaker 1: the thermia.
Speaker 2: Explain the radiation in the crush syndrome.
Speaker 1: Oh who cares? Who cares about that stuff that doesn't
Speaker 1: fit the narrative. Just throw that out. Let's say what
Speaker 1: I have to say. So, so I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't buy. That's why I don't buy. But these are
Speaker 1: very these are very popular theories. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people hold about this, the sound theory and all that.
Speaker 1: So the last one I have is actually what I
Speaker 1: think happened. So if you want to cover anything before this,
Speaker 1: let me know, and I will wait to bring it up.
Speaker 2: But Brian, it better cover all the points. Radiation crush,
Speaker 2: cutting their tent from the inside, missing tongue, It better
Speaker 2: cover all of it, or else we have to agree
Speaker 2: this was a direct energy weapon. Brian, go ahead, Well.
Speaker 1: The ultimatum has been put forward. Okay, So there was
Speaker 1: a scientist who had this epiphany one day watching a
Speaker 1: Disney movie Frozen, and what he saw and Frozen was
Speaker 1: a simple like background scene where you see what is
Speaker 1: known and as a specific type of avalanche, it's called
Speaker 1: the delay slab avalanche. And delay slab avalanches are not
Speaker 1: very big. They're not like you envisioning in the movies
Speaker 1: or you see off the side of a mountain where
Speaker 1: just the snow. It's blatantly obvious this is an avalanche.
Speaker 1: It's covering everything. You're gonna be buried in twenty five
Speaker 1: feet of snow. A delayed slab avalanche happens similar to
Speaker 1: like when you would you have to have a degree
Speaker 1: of angle of about above twenty degrees, and we know
Speaker 1: that the mountain side that they were next to was
Speaker 1: twenty three degrees. So what happens is as the snow
Speaker 1: builds up, and we know a major snowstorm was occurring
Speaker 1: at that time because that's what took them off course,
Speaker 1: howling winds, ball lightning confirmed to some people, or UFOs
Speaker 1: to others. So there's a major storm going on. As
Speaker 1: that snow built up. That other snow that was already
Speaker 1: packed was kind of like a shelf already almost like
Speaker 1: a book. And let's say you had two books like
Speaker 1: you used to have in school, math and history. They're
Speaker 1: all glossy and they're sitting on top of each other.
Speaker 1: You pick that one book on the bottom and you
Speaker 1: start lifting it up, and once you get that book
Speaker 1: to about twenty three degrees, you'll notice the other one's
Speaker 1: slides right off, and what they're thinking happened is that
Speaker 1: snow is it built up, slid off the other snow
Speaker 1: and covered the tents of the hikers at about three
Speaker 1: to four feet of snow, which would be which actually
Speaker 1: would have some weight to it and be pretty scary.
Speaker 1: Now here's something that a lot of people don't know,
Speaker 1: and this is actually confirmed, and this is left out
Speaker 1: of a lot of stories because it's hard. It starts
Speaker 1: to make things make more sense. So why would these
Speaker 1: experienced hikers cut themselves out and leave the provisions and
Speaker 1: things behind in the tent. I'll tell you why. Because
Speaker 1: they had more provisions and more things stored in the
Speaker 1: world woods. So they were looking at everything as a
Speaker 1: lost cause in the tent as it was covered cut
Speaker 1: themselves out. They went to go get the stuff in
Speaker 1: the woods. They started running to get that stuff in
Speaker 1: the woods. They were barefoot and barely or in socks.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that it's kind of interesting about this here.
Speaker 1: So you had a small group that went to try
Speaker 1: to go make a fire. Like the whole group they're
Speaker 1: trying to go make the fire. Well, the stuff on
Speaker 1: the ground isn't gonna burn. It's really wet. They're climbing
Speaker 1: trees to go get the dry stuff, cutting it down,
Speaker 1: picking it up, bringing it to try to burn it.
Speaker 1: But it's thirty fucking below. Two people already die of
Speaker 1: hypothermia right fucking there. They're gonna die. The guy who
Speaker 1: burned himself so fucking cold, he was putting himself into
Speaker 1: the fire to try to warm up. That's why his
Speaker 1: body burned up. You get to a point where you're
Speaker 1: so cold and you can't feel anything anymore, and people
Speaker 1: start to like, there's a test that some people do.
Speaker 1: They go, why did this? Why was his hand bit?
Speaker 1: He bit his hand? Can I even feel my hand anymore?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna test, like and he bit it. They put
Speaker 1: themselves in the fire because they're so fucking cold they
Speaker 1: can't handle it anymore. You know, it's really hard to
Speaker 1: envision negative thirty degrees, like when you think about it, like,
Speaker 1: that's really cold. That's I'm gonna spit and it's gonna
Speaker 1: freeze before it touches the ground. I have like nothing
Speaker 1: on it. So how did they get the other people's
Speaker 1: clothes on? Well, guess what. Two of them died and
Speaker 1: they're freezing. They don't have the other provisions yet. They
Speaker 1: stole this clothes off the dead people's bodies to try
Speaker 1: to stay warm. That's why they're wearing each other's clothes
Speaker 1: because they were freaking cold. So they cut that off
Speaker 1: and they scavenge it trying to stay warm. But three
Speaker 1: more rush off during this time to try to Like
Speaker 1: there was an idea that they could make a snow shelter.
Speaker 1: That was the next thought that these experienced hikers would
Speaker 1: have is like, we're doomed. Our tents are covered, we're
Speaker 1: trying to make a fire, it's not working. We've got
Speaker 1: to make some sort of snow shelter to get ourselves
Speaker 1: back and warm. And so that the remaining ones that
Speaker 1: were that had actually tried to stay alive and they're
Speaker 1: wearing the other clothes, they go to build a snow shelter.
Speaker 1: But what happens is while they're there, they don't realize
Speaker 1: there's this stream above and it had fifteen feet worth
Speaker 1: of snow, like in this stream as it's cutting it,
Speaker 1: they built this snow shelter. So they're already under a
Speaker 1: bunch of snow. This stream's cutting away at all this
Speaker 1: other snow that's by them, and that stream dumped fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty feet worth of snow at twenty pounds per
Speaker 1: cubic feet, basically fifty tons. Fifty tons worth of snow
Speaker 1: landed on them, crushing them. Why nothing was done to
Speaker 1: the skin.
Speaker 6: And it looked like a tank ran them over, flattening them,
Speaker 6: taking their their bones and sticking it through organs, but
Speaker 6: doing nothing to the skin.
Speaker 1: So everybody goes, why the fuck did nobody realized this
Speaker 1: when they showed up, Because ten and thirty days later,
Speaker 1: because these bodies that were in the snow shelter were
Speaker 1: found later that I think you said all were found
Speaker 1: in ten days. I think some were found in ten
Speaker 1: days and others were found twenty days out after that.
Speaker 1: And that was the people in the snow shelter that
Speaker 1: were buried under twenty feet worth of snow, and they
Speaker 1: were the crushed ones. Now, where does the radiation come from?
Speaker 1: We talked about the severe injuries, what about missing eyes?
Speaker 1: What about the tonguel, well, the ones that were by
Speaker 1: the fire that were exposed when they were found flesh
Speaker 1: in the tree, tongue, missing eyes, missing. They do believe
Speaker 1: their theory is that animals got to those, Okay, So
Speaker 1: that can be debated. The radiation. What nobody talks about
Speaker 1: is that the lanterns they used gave off a lot
Speaker 1: of radiation, and if those lanterns were by those bodies,
Speaker 1: it would end up, especially for extended periods of time,
Speaker 1: caused that radiation poisoning and the levels of radiation. The
Speaker 1: lanterns that they used were radioactive lanterns back then. It
Speaker 1: gave off radiation. That is a fact. So we have
Speaker 1: animals eating eyes and tongues, radiation coming from the lanterns,
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand pounds landing on top of these people
Speaker 1: in the snow shelter, all causing varying degrees of craziness
Speaker 1: across three different areas, which I think is fascinating within
Speaker 1: itself and genius the people thought of this. Give me
Speaker 1: your thoughts after I've dropped the bombshell.
Speaker 2: Okay, Bryan, coming in with the heat.
Speaker 1: Or the cold, the snow, I'm coming with the snow
Speaker 1: on this one brought the blizzard, I brought the howling winds.
Speaker 2: All right, I just call you Elsa. Okay, m hmm,
Speaker 2: let's see explain.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: The girl with gray hair, that was the one thing.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm wondering if that could be a combination.
Speaker 1: And this is me pulling this straight from my ass.
Speaker 1: If what is it? What if it's a combination of
Speaker 1: you know, what would happen to you if you're basically
Speaker 1: freeze dried and radiate and head radiation the same time.
Speaker 2: The orange skin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I don't know. Maybe that stuff is with that.
Speaker 1: I didn't find any explanation. I didn't even know about that,
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: Because one of the pictures I saw, one of the
Speaker 2: girls looked like a skeleton.
Speaker 1: Oh you saw pictures?
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmmm, like she looked like a skeleton when they
Speaker 2: found her, Like literally, I wonder if I can find
Speaker 2: the picture. I mean, I don't know how you the
Speaker 2: one with the gray hair looked like a skeleton. It
Speaker 2: looked like something from like Poltergeist, like Beetlejuice, like a
Speaker 2: skeleton lady with gray hair, just.
Speaker 1: Nice and nasty and yeah, uncha and everything else. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: I mean, are we sure that's a picture from that?
Speaker 2: Let me see if it was. I saw it on
Speaker 2: a documentary, okay, And I'm trying to google it right
Speaker 2: now and see if I can.
Speaker 1: Find I mean, I think, all in all, this is
Speaker 1: an extremely interesting story, whether you subscribe to my idea
Speaker 1: or any of the other theories. I was fascinated. I
Speaker 1: remember hearing this for the first time like ten years ago,
Speaker 1: and to me, it was always one of the most
Speaker 1: fascinating incidents out there because it's just so cryptic and
Speaker 1: leaves a lot to the imagination. And it leaves a
Speaker 1: lot too. You know, people, do.
Speaker 2: You when you first heard this story, did you think
Speaker 2: it was something paranormal?
Speaker 1: Yes, but that was my that was my thought process
Speaker 1: at that time. But I always like to say, you know,
Speaker 1: I personally don't like to get married to ideas. Regardless,
Speaker 1: I do like to say when evidence presents itself, I
Speaker 1: found it. Okay, you found this picture. You found the documentary.
Speaker 2: Jesus see, that's what I'm talking about, Brian.
Speaker 1: Are we sure what the hell is that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Hang on, Oh my god, you should put that picture
Speaker 1: up on this I will, because.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. It's like some of this stuff,
Speaker 2: it could be a hybrid of what you're talking about
Speaker 2: and what I'm talking about, because, like, let's say, the
Speaker 2: reason there was no slab avalanche. Let's just roll that
Speaker 2: out right now, because I don't even think with them
Speaker 2: being as experienced as they were, that they had never
Speaker 2: seen a slab avalanche before, okay, that they would have
Speaker 2: to slice themselves in their skivvies and run out of
Speaker 2: their tents. They couldn't just unzip the fucker and just
Speaker 2: like formulate a plan before they got out of their tent, like, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: we've encountered a slab avalanche. Let's get our thoughts.
Speaker 1: They didn't know what they had to have happened to them.
Speaker 1: They just know that they were just covered in snow,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Even still, I feel like with their experience, they'd be like,
Speaker 2: all right, we're in a crisis situation. Let's pull ranks
Speaker 2: so we all survived this shit and formulate a plan
Speaker 2: so we don't all freeze the death, not just take
Speaker 2: knives and start slicing out of their tents. What if
Speaker 2: they saw, okay, you'll have like so if we're gonna
Speaker 2: go government issued direct energy weapon. They saw the things
Speaker 2: in the sky and knew what the fuck they were
Speaker 2: because of their involvement in the government, and they were like,
Speaker 2: they're about to fucking take us all out, let's get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here, slicing dice. They're out of
Speaker 2: the tent, they're running down and then what you said happened.
Speaker 2: Some of them make it to the forest, some of
Speaker 2: them don't. Some of them get blasted by the direct
Speaker 2: energy weapon. A couple of them are left behind. They
Speaker 2: didn't get blasted, but now they're dying of hypothermia. Animals
Speaker 2: come along later clean up some of the mess. But
Speaker 2: one girl definitely got blasted. Her hair turns gray, skin
Speaker 2: melts off, she's a skeleton. A couple of the other
Speaker 2: ones snowfalls on them. They get crushed. A couple other
Speaker 2: ones they just dive hypothermia. Animals come along, eat the flesh,
Speaker 2: pick the eyes, get the tongue. So we have various
Speaker 2: degrees of like them trying to escape the direct energy weapon.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, am I supposed to be trying to prove
Speaker 1: this wrong?
Speaker 2: Or like Noah, I mean, you're what do you think
Speaker 2: about that? Do you think it's possible? Do you think
Speaker 2: I'm do I have a case?
Speaker 1: Well, I think you have a case that. To me,
Speaker 1: what I would want to see is one what this
Speaker 1: weapon would be, two that it exists, or that we
Speaker 1: know of something like that that exists in another incident
Speaker 1: that is documented somewhere. That's the kind of stuff that
Speaker 1: would help prove that case to me.
Speaker 2: So a direct energy weapon would be like some people
Speaker 2: think that what happened to the Georgia guidestones was a
Speaker 2: direct energy weapon.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that story.
Speaker 2: So basically, the Georgia guidestones were like put in play.
Speaker 2: It was like a stone hinge monument, okay, And it
Speaker 2: was like one of our national monuments that you could
Speaker 2: go to Georgia, Georgia, and they got knocked over and
Speaker 2: cracked and the it's like the stoneheade thing, Like something
Speaker 2: massive would have had to have happened to break these
Speaker 2: stones or move these stones or anything happened to the stones.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people were saying, like direct energy weapon,
Speaker 2: like something that could just massively so it would be
Speaker 2: like you don't even see anything, or it's like you said,
Speaker 2: like a massive blast and it just blasts you and
Speaker 2: it just it just like radiates you. And so that's
Speaker 2: that's my theory, Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is I can't prove something didn't happen,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I can't prove that,
Speaker 1: so I don't try to do it. I never try
Speaker 1: to prove a negative, So I'm not gonna argue with
Speaker 1: somebody else's theory if that's what they want to subscribe to.
Speaker 1: I wrote this down because it made the most sense
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: I think it makes the most sense. Except for the
Speaker 2: girl with the gray hair and a skeleton face.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't even know about it. Do you have.
Speaker 2: Any Have you ever heard of hypothermia or being left
Speaker 2: out in the cold that long that your skin just
Speaker 2: melts off your face? Have you ever heard anything like that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, I'm asking seriously because.
Speaker 1: So I'm laughing because you're like, it's where the skin
Speaker 1: melts off your face? Well, no, I have not seen
Speaker 1: anybody get so damn cold. I'll freezing over here. Oh
Speaker 1: I can tell your face smelting your face is uh yeah,
Speaker 1: your jaws on the ground, Yeah, I can tell your.
Speaker 2: So I have to say, though, I think your idea
Speaker 2: of like the three separate things going on makes more
Speaker 2: sense than them just getting blasted at.
Speaker 1: Once, because they're dying at different times and.
Speaker 2: Dying at different times. Because it is proven that some
Speaker 2: of them had the other one's clothes on. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: they had to have time to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you heard my part of that explanation. What
Speaker 1: I thought that was where you go ahead, some of
Speaker 1: them dying and they're freezing, so they're grabbing, they're cutting
Speaker 1: the clothes off, the rutting the.
Speaker 2: Clothes off to put them on themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And see what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: To is you can negative thirties, no joke.
Speaker 2: I mean, but Brian, you think about that. You think
Speaker 2: about that. Your feet are bare. You're losing your feet.
Speaker 1: First, You're losing feeling in everything.
Speaker 2: You can't walk, you can't walk, you can't keep your
Speaker 2: blood circulating because your feet are fucked. They're gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's gonna be because the body, the body
Speaker 1: to conserve heat, pulls the blood from the extremities. That's
Speaker 1: why your fingers or yeah to the organs trying to
Speaker 1: keep you alive. So I mean, you there, you are
Speaker 1: screwed at that point. Do you think.
Speaker 2: Those lamps put off enough radiation to like cause them.
Speaker 1: You know, And that's a good that's a good question too.
Speaker 1: I did think about that where I'm like, I do
Speaker 1: know that those lamps are radioactive, and that is left
Speaker 1: out a lot of times, you know, I think need
Speaker 1: to be brought up. But the level of radiation, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, like I feel like people that
Speaker 1: were using those lamps during that time where people getting
Speaker 1: sick and not knowing why because they didn't know that
Speaker 1: radiation was that bad for you.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about like in one night. Could it
Speaker 2: have caused the amount of radiation that these people had,
Speaker 2: like to the point where they had to be buried
Speaker 2: in zinc coffins?
Speaker 1: Well, and you know the thing is, I don't know
Speaker 1: if the zinc coffin for sealing purposes was like normally
Speaker 1: to shield radiation, you put lead, you know, which is
Speaker 1: really heavy, and you put lead around to seal radiation.
Speaker 1: I don't know if zinc works or not. I know
Speaker 1: you said that you had read that zinc is used
Speaker 1: to seal, But you know, you think about the state
Speaker 1: of those bodies, like even no matter how they they were,
Speaker 1: if animals got a hold of them, plus they were frozen,
Speaker 1: plus they were crushed, plus they bit themselves, and I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that nobody wanted to see those bodies like
Speaker 1: open coffin type situation. So I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: why that was done that way, I can definitely see,
Speaker 1: you know, and if they didn't, if they couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out at that time, how these bodies got crushed, how
Speaker 1: these things. You know, governments, especially communist ones have egos
Speaker 1: just like anybody else. Nobody wants to go to a
Speaker 1: microphone and pretend like we don't know what happened. We don't,
Speaker 1: So I can totally see them one doctor being like,
Speaker 1: they didn't just die of hypothermia. Let's get real. This
Speaker 1: guy's freaking rib cage bone is stuck through his heart. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not hypothermia. This person's missing a tongue and eyes.
Speaker 1: I don't think the hypothermia did it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 7: Like that.
Speaker 1: Lattly, like you guys, you can't just say hypothermi, all right,
Speaker 1: which is like what they're trying to get away with.
Speaker 1: So that's good, and these families are not gonna just
Speaker 1: live with no excuse. Come on, it's hard enough to
Speaker 1: get closure when you do know what's happened, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to come to grips for people when you do
Speaker 1: know what's happened to your love. Imagine hearing the government say, well,
Speaker 1: we've done a seventy two day investigation and it was hypothermia.
Speaker 1: But and you're like, motherfucker bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean instantly.
Speaker 1: You're jumping to every conclusion. That's just human nature. That's
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. You're gonna be like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I know what's up. The government did this, The government's involved.
Speaker 1: I know that they had KGB backgrounds, and I mean
Speaker 1: I can tell. I mean that's legit documented. So when
Speaker 1: you see people go to that level and the governments
Speaker 1: are so secretive actually like a KGB and the Russians,
Speaker 1: and they don't feel like they have to give you
Speaker 1: answers on anything, those families were probably like a big
Speaker 1: majority of one spreading type, those types of rumors, trying
Speaker 1: to come up with their own closure.
Speaker 2: But can we both agree it wasn't no type of
Speaker 2: a yeddi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going with the yeddi. But I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring it up because if you do look it up,
Speaker 1: and some of the people there and some people may
Speaker 1: believe it was yeddie, But if you look up this incident,
Speaker 1: you can actually find a picture. Maybe you could even
Speaker 1: you could probably find it when you Google and put
Speaker 1: it on the Instagram. You'll see it, and it's like
Speaker 1: one of those pictures where you're like, somebody could have said,
Speaker 1: you know, a troll was living in the area, or
Speaker 1: somebody could have said, like a gnome that baked cookies
Speaker 1: was living in the area, and somebody somebody'd be like,
Speaker 1: that is the home that makes the cookies. And it's
Speaker 1: just this shadow outline, you know, so you can make
Speaker 1: it whatever you want, but it does look suspect. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. It's like back in the woods and
Speaker 1: it's just this little shadow that looks like it's got
Speaker 1: two arms and legs looking at you. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like some up close ape is you.
Speaker 2: Know, not definitive what I want to do, because I
Speaker 2: think a lot of the problem is when people talk
Speaker 2: about scenarios like this, it's all hypothetical, so they're thinking like, well,
Speaker 2: it could have possibly, and then they like say this
Speaker 2: whole big story. But I always think of it as
Speaker 2: if I'm the hiker, what would I do if a
Speaker 2: slab avalanche came down?
Speaker 8: And I don't even know if I want to know
Speaker 8: what you do? All right, so I'm minute would you do?
Speaker 8: What would you do?
Speaker 2: In my underwear?
Speaker 1: It's negative thirty out there, like I'm still sleeping in
Speaker 1: my god damn under my lady alone.
Speaker 2: I'm staying in my sleeping bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if all that snow was on top of
Speaker 1: the tenant might be like pushing down on you, it
Speaker 1: could have been scary. That might have been why they
Speaker 1: would they cut.
Speaker 2: Then to let the snow win.
Speaker 1: Because they're trying to get out. They don't know. Why
Speaker 1: would they.
Speaker 2: Cut the top of the tent off and then go
Speaker 2: up like that.
Speaker 1: Because they're scared, But we don't even know cut it
Speaker 1: open there. It's like it's like the snow's giving birth
Speaker 1: to them. They pull, they put their arms up, they
Speaker 1: push it out the way, and they they get out
Speaker 1: into exactly where they want to be. Sixty mile per
Speaker 1: hour howling winds, negative thirty degree temperatures, and they're wearing
Speaker 1: a tee shirt.
Speaker 2: Well, did you know what I'm just gonna ask you
Speaker 2: straight up? You said, because the slab avalanche is not
Speaker 2: as big as the ones that we picture in like movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're thinking only a couple feet of snow
Speaker 1: would have gone over the whole thing. But my whole
Speaker 1: argument to that was they you know, if you're in
Speaker 1: the tent. You don't know how much snow's up there.
Speaker 1: You don't know shit, You're just like, holy crap, like
Speaker 1: a whole ton of is your snow covered?
Speaker 2: But is your first thought to cut the side of
Speaker 2: the tent or is your first thought to maybe unzip
Speaker 2: the top of the tent where it's then zippered, and
Speaker 2: then maybe poke your head out and be like, let's
Speaker 2: see how deep the snow is where I start cutting
Speaker 2: my only place to live.
Speaker 1: You know. The thing is, I honestly don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, that is very confusing, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: what it was like in the tent, if the tent
Speaker 1: was able to hold up any of that weight, or
Speaker 1: if when that snow came on top of it, it
Speaker 1: actually pushed the tent down on top of them, so
Speaker 1: they had no direction, They didn't know where they were, like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the poles were not
Speaker 1: strong enough to hold that up, so that tent just
Speaker 1: basically came down on top of them like a sheet. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're kind of in panic mode.
Speaker 1: You've got pressure on top of you and and you
Speaker 1: know that there's weight there and you can't really see left,
Speaker 1: right side nor center, So you don't know what to get.
Speaker 1: You've cut it open there and you just go straight
Speaker 1: up because you're not grabbing anything because you don't know
Speaker 1: where anything is.
Speaker 2: Okay, but let's debate. Let's debate right now. Let's take
Speaker 2: a look at the situation.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: The tent was found complete, the structure was completely intact,
Speaker 2: standing up, and the only damage to the tent was
Speaker 2: from the knife pairs from inside.
Speaker 1: That's a good Okay, that's a good point. No, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. You're looking at the admap. Sure, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna fuck with that. That's a good that's a
Speaker 1: great point. That's a great point. So I was trying
Speaker 1: to think outside the box on them.
Speaker 2: If they were buried alive almost in their tent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's laying on top of You're like,
Speaker 1: I gotta get the hell out of here. But it was,
Speaker 1: it wasn't, and that's so that's a great point. So
Speaker 1: if you had time to look left, right, center, look
Speaker 1: at your buddies, you could be like, let's devise some
Speaker 1: enough stuff, get just to where the other provisions and
Speaker 1: the other things are at. But let's make sure we're
Speaker 1: warm enough because where we're at now, we don't know
Speaker 1: how much snow is on top of this, if more
Speaker 1: is gonna come, if whatever. Obviously you can't unzip the
Speaker 1: tent where the normal spot is because there's more snow there.
Speaker 1: You might be in too deep. I could see then
Speaker 1: you cut it open. I don't understand the logic behind
Speaker 1: not putting your boots on. I don't understand the logic,
Speaker 1: especially with the snow and how cold it was, I
Speaker 1: don't understand.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it either.
Speaker 1: And unless they were pure unadulterated panic.
Speaker 2: Mode, and what could cause that? Two very experienced hikers,
Speaker 2: what could cause fight or flight? And obviously they they
Speaker 2: were flighting and not fighting, you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Say, government, I can't confirm that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, this ship, Brian, Okay, all right? Alien popped
Speaker 2: up in the tent.
Speaker 1: YEA, god damn it.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking if it was me, I'm cutting myself.
Speaker 1: I tell you this, an alien, Some fucking bitch ass
Speaker 1: alien pops up in my fucking uh. I'm cutting out
Speaker 1: that bitch too, right. I don't care. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: my chances, because you know, those motherfuckers are gonna do
Speaker 1: some crazy ass ship to you. Worse than that. I
Speaker 1: saw a fight.
Speaker 2: All jokes aside. You wake up in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night and you're in the fucking Arctic. You're in
Speaker 2: your sleeping bag. You look up and e T is
Speaker 2: standing right there.
Speaker 1: Okay, what are you gonna do.
Speaker 2: You're going to go in fight or flight mode. You're
Speaker 2: going to jump like slides out of your tent. Maybe
Speaker 2: they grabbed the dives to defend themselves.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: One up.
Speaker 1: Why are these aliens? First of all, they're like looking down,
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, look there, horrible snowstorm, one hundred mile
Speaker 1: per hour winds. Hey hate billy, Go take your big
Speaker 1: ass head and your big ass eyes and your naked body.
Speaker 7: And head.
Speaker 1: I'm down and I'm down into that tent. Yeah. Sure,
Speaker 1: Hawaii's a five second flight away. But let's fuck with
Speaker 1: these twenty three year old Russian kids for a minute.
Speaker 1: Come on, click, get down there. We gotta get to
Speaker 1: Hanal probes ready, Come on, you know you aliens ain't shit.
Speaker 1: Let's ask the real questions. If you're an alien, you're
Speaker 1: going to go get some cows and do all that
Speaker 1: other stuff on some farm land. You are not going
Speaker 1: to no jot Love Pass. But that's the thing.
Speaker 2: This mountain is known for UFO activity. It could have
Speaker 2: just been their their nightly routine to pass by. And
Speaker 2: then they were like, you know what, I know, we're
Speaker 2: doing our nightly rounds. We're about to head over the
Speaker 2: Yachtla Pass. But I'm starting to feel a little hungry day. Look,
Speaker 2: there is a tent full of people. Let's enjoy ourselves.
Speaker 2: A little scared, but no, Brian, this area is known
Speaker 2: for UFO activity. That's why the people, the locals and
Speaker 2: the people who went on the search party to find
Speaker 2: the bodies both said, yes, there were orbs in the sky.
Speaker 2: Yes they were orange and glowing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And then like the local people are like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: just a normal regular occurrence for us. We see fiery
Speaker 2: sphere in the sky all the time. The thunderstorm doesn't
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with It. Could be a completely
Speaker 2: clear night and.
Speaker 1: They round lightning, lightning. I think that's what that is.
Speaker 2: But even if there's no storm, yeah yeah, so you're
Speaker 2: going you're one hundred percent that this couldn't have been it.
Speaker 2: And because the only thing that could make me forget
Speaker 2: all basic human instinct is an alien showing up in
Speaker 2: my tenth.
Speaker 1: I get it, but you know they what do you describe?
Speaker 2: The avalanche was like that scene in Mulan where she
Speaker 2: takes the thing and she shoots that side of the
Speaker 2: mountain and it just buries everybody, and she's like pulling
Speaker 2: people up from the snow by their hair and it's
Speaker 2: just like little heads popping up out of the snow.
Speaker 2: That's what I was imagining. But looking at the picture
Speaker 2: of the tent, it was completely unscathed other than the
Speaker 2: fact that it had been torn from the inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not a lot of snow on.
Speaker 2: That and would make them panic like that that little
Speaker 2: bit of snow.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they knew how much snow it was,
Speaker 1: and they might have thought, if this amount hit us,
Speaker 1: more's on the way. We've got to move.
Speaker 2: To the point where they'd cut themselves out of the
Speaker 2: tent with no shoes on. Brian, think about if it
Speaker 2: were you that.
Speaker 1: I think it's all crazy. Okay, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: it's not crazy, But we are also looking at this
Speaker 1: from hindsight twenty twenty, like we know they died, we
Speaker 1: know they fucked up, We know that they didn't make it.
Speaker 1: And now we're going to say, well, we know that
Speaker 1: didn't work. But in the moment, you know, they were
Speaker 1: swinging for the fence, as I guessed, they were trying
Speaker 1: to hit the home run ball.
Speaker 2: Maybe they should have bun Brian, if you looked around
Speaker 2: you right now, sitting in your kitchen and you saw
Speaker 2: an alien, are you gonna run out of the house
Speaker 2: or are you gonna be like, let me get my shoes,
Speaker 2: let me. No, you're not. You're gonna be fighting, not fighting,
Speaker 2: unless you want to fight an alien, which I don't recommend,
Speaker 2: you are gonna freak the fuck out. These were experienced higers.
Speaker 2: They had been to the area several other times. They
Speaker 2: would have experienced controversy and known basic survival instincts.
Speaker 1: Well, they did do. Everything that they did do is
Speaker 1: kind of by the books. And that was the joke.
Speaker 1: When they built the snowshlter, that was one hundred percent
Speaker 1: by the books. And it's funny. If they would have
Speaker 1: done the wrong thing, they probably would have lived.
Speaker 2: If they would not have built in the Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was like by the book what you
Speaker 1: should do in that situation.
Speaker 2: And then okay, now you're you're fucking me up because
Speaker 2: if I see an alien, yeah, okay, so stopping until
Speaker 2: I see trees.
Speaker 1: So these people that just saw the alien and the
Speaker 1: tent run. They sprint as fast as they can and say,
Speaker 1: all right, we're twenty feet away from the tent. Quick,
Speaker 1: build a fire. The alien will never get us.
Speaker 2: Now, you're right, this is why it's so mysterious.
Speaker 1: I know. And then the one guy, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: throw myself in the fire now that there's aliens around
Speaker 1: and bite my hand.
Speaker 2: The two problems I have is the lanterns not being
Speaker 2: radioactive enough to cause the level of radiation.
Speaker 1: They have well, and I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it is.
Speaker 2: We can't confirm or deny. And then let's just say
Speaker 2: it was enough with those lanterns going on all night
Speaker 2: or however long until the bodies were found, they were
Speaker 2: around these lanterns and that's what caused like the radioactive overload.
Speaker 2: The lady who had the melted face with the gray
Speaker 2: hair is really fucking me up right now.
Speaker 1: Look, I don't know anything about I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about that lady.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's he looked like a twenty seven
Speaker 2: year old to you from that photo, he keell it
Speaker 2: a skeleton brino.
Speaker 1: That looked like something from a movie. To me, I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's I've never I've never seen that picture,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I mean, that was freaky. That
Speaker 1: picture's freaky. So if that was actually part of the thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 2: Your best conspiracy theory, just entertain me. Okay, what do
Speaker 2: you think the relationship is with them being involved in
Speaker 2: the KGB.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I know that's confirmed, Like it's confirmed.
Speaker 2: But do you think it had anything to do with
Speaker 2: what happened?
Speaker 1: Yes, in the sense that I do think that that's
Speaker 1: why the government didn't want a lot of the information
Speaker 1: getting out, And it may not have had anything to
Speaker 1: do with that specific incident that happened to them more
Speaker 1: than like their actual involvement with projects that were going on,
Speaker 1: things that they were trying to get involved with. I
Speaker 1: do I can't remember. I do know that one of
Speaker 1: the people was like a big part of trying to
Speaker 1: it money had something to do with extracting information from
Speaker 1: the CIA or something like that, So they probably didn't
Speaker 1: want some of that information getting out or the backgrounds
Speaker 1: of some of these people. So if you want to
Speaker 1: talk conspiracy theories on that level, I mean I would
Speaker 1: buy that, you know, like I don't. I don't think people,
Speaker 1: especially those governments at that time. You're looking at Cold
Speaker 1: War type shit, and if it had to do between
Speaker 1: the United States and Russia. I mean, people have a
Speaker 1: hard enough time trusting any government these days, which I
Speaker 1: actually really don't blame them for that. I don't blame
Speaker 1: anybody for that. I don't think people get a good
Speaker 1: explanation for much, you know, and I think back then
Speaker 1: people were more trusting of their governments. But that particular incident,
Speaker 1: I mean, how vague they were with everything they said,
Speaker 1: and they released just about no information, and I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd have to dig really deep to try
Speaker 1: to find out any information between what the information that
Speaker 1: the families got from them. I don't know much on
Speaker 1: that level, but I would say that.
Speaker 2: You and you don't think that our government. It's been
Speaker 2: documented that the Nazis were working on like type UFO
Speaker 2: type crafts and that they were okay, So there's nothing
Speaker 2: in your mind that thinks maybe the Russian government had
Speaker 2: some back engineered bullshit, some kind of a spacecraft and
Speaker 2: they were testing weapons out in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh my god, look look what happened.
Speaker 2: Lucky for us, we can test these direct energy weapons
Speaker 2: out on these people.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why you would do
Speaker 1: it on those specific people who.
Speaker 2: Were they knew, like the KGB knew that they were
Speaker 2: going out there, like, hey, just want to let you know,
Speaker 2: I'm going hiking with my buddies next weekend.
Speaker 1: No, I think they did actually know. I mean the
Speaker 1: last person, let me see who the left.
Speaker 2: I think his name was Alexander, the older one, right,
Speaker 2: the thirty seven year old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the last Alexander. Yeah. So I mean
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you're you're bringing up things
Speaker 1: that are out of my realm of of understanding, Like like.
Speaker 2: I'm just posing the question to you if he if
Speaker 2: they the KGB knew he was going out of town
Speaker 2: to do this hike, and they were he was like
Speaker 2: one of the ones. They were like we really, uh,
Speaker 2: we got to get rid of this guy. You know,
Speaker 2: we got to get rid of this guy. We've got
Speaker 2: some stuff we need to test out. Anyways, let's go
Speaker 2: and the rest of them were just like collateral damage.
Speaker 1: If there is, you know, when it comes to things
Speaker 1: like that. And I know that there's always been cover
Speaker 1: ups and and but I have this rule of thumb
Speaker 1: that anytime more than like two or three people know something,
Speaker 1: I almost think a village knows. So when information doesn't
Speaker 1: leak out, it bothers me. So if you have, like
Speaker 1: you know, that's some of my problems with with certain
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories is that if five people knew this thing,
Speaker 1: hundreds know it, then thousands know and then basically everybody
Speaker 1: knows it because people can't keep their mouths shut, you know,
Speaker 1: so the truth would eventually get out, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think, Okay, I see where you're going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if that happened to somebody, I think something would
Speaker 1: have leaked out by now, somebody would have had some
Speaker 1: kind of inkling about it, like we'd know something. There'd
Speaker 1: be that. So that's my feeling about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't fully debunk it. It's just a feeling.
Speaker 2: If we take aside the gray haired lady with the
Speaker 2: skeleton face, your theory fits perfectly.
Speaker 1: Okay, I agree, I do like theory, but it's not
Speaker 1: my theory. It's just one of theories and the one
Speaker 1: I subscribed to because it made so much sense to me,
Speaker 1: and it did do it. Yeah, it makes likelining some
Speaker 1: of the weirder stuff.
Speaker 2: The tongue in the eyes was the animal, Yeah, swapping
Speaker 2: of clothes. Yeah, the snow falling on them, that was
Speaker 2: like tons and tons and tons and tons crushed them.
Speaker 2: Some of them were trying to get back to the
Speaker 2: forest to seek refuge. Some of them were found in
Speaker 2: the forest by the.
Speaker 1: Way, Okay, Yeah, probably trying to get.
Speaker 2: By the time they got there, they were already fucked off.
Speaker 1: Like they were gone. They were gone. Yeah, And you've
Speaker 1: got to think that a certain level of panic does
Speaker 1: ensue when you're that cold.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, That's definitely something I would be thinking about. I mean,
Speaker 1: when I go outside to shovel a driveway and at
Speaker 1: zero degrees, I'm like, fuck this shit, and I'm fully
Speaker 1: bundled up, I've got like gloves, hat, the whole nines
Speaker 1: and I'm still cold. It's hard to move. It's like
Speaker 1: the whole world seems different when it's that cold. It's
Speaker 1: just a different world. Your breath seems to freeze. I mean,
Speaker 1: if any any exposed skin at that temperature, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's including wind chill. I mean, if
Speaker 1: the wind's howling like that and it's that cold. Geez man.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because it did say that they had
Speaker 2: to take shelter because it was the weather was so bad. Whoa,
Speaker 2: that's why they set up their tent right there? Call
Speaker 2: it at night? Because yeah, have they made a movie
Speaker 2: about this yet?
Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know. It's a good question. I don't
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 2: It'd be a hell of a movie.
Speaker 1: Somebody probably has. There's one that says yachtlif Pass movie
Speaker 1: on Netflix from twenty twenty one. Oh, maybe that's a documentary.
Speaker 1: Let me see. There's another one called Devil's Pass doatlif
Speaker 1: Pass movie from twenty thirteen. So it's called Devil's Pass.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, and it's Russian.
Speaker 2: Oh that would make sense. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They say it's a horror movie too.
Speaker 2: Well, it's horrible what happened.
Speaker 1: Forty eight percent on Rotten Tomatoes. That might mean it's good.
Speaker 2: I think it would be a hell of a movie,
Speaker 2: and I would love to see what whoever directed it,
Speaker 2: what they claim happens to the people like what they.
Speaker 1: Rennie Harland directed at twentieth Century Studios Anchor Bay Entertainment.
Speaker 2: I bet he says the alien popped up in the tent.
Speaker 2: I know you think that's hilarious, But I think UFOs
Speaker 2: and aliens are real.
Speaker 1: If you ask me my opinion on that, I do too,
Speaker 1: But I don't know to the level of like Hollywood style.
Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely, I think anybody who doesn't believe
Speaker 1: in this universe there's other living beings like we didn't
Speaker 1: really know until recently, we couldn't confirm that there were
Speaker 1: other planets outside our solar system like we did and
Speaker 1: never known about. Now you see them everywhere, and there's
Speaker 1: actually a belief or not a belief they think they've
Speaker 1: scientifically proven. And this was very interesting to me that
Speaker 1: they think they've scientifically proven that there are more planets
Speaker 1: out there right now and all within all the universe.
Speaker 1: Then there are seconds that have existed since the universe began.
Speaker 2: How the fuck did they come to that conclusion.
Speaker 1: So if you think about how many seconds there's been
Speaker 1: since the fourteen billion years in the existence of this
Speaker 1: since the Big Bang or whatever they think it is,
Speaker 1: there's that many more planets. If you're thinking this is
Speaker 1: the only one with life on it, your bravery, even
Speaker 1: if it was on half a percent or a quarter
Speaker 1: of a percent, we're looking at life on thousands and
Speaker 1: millions of worlds. So and that's not just life, I
Speaker 1: would have to say in our even if a quarter
Speaker 1: of percent of those were intelligent or what we would
Speaker 1: consider intelligent life, there's thousands upon millions of those.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many theories, Brian, and like, some of
Speaker 2: them are like it would be just like on Earth.
Speaker 2: Some of them are evil, some of them have not
Speaker 2: the best intentions towards us. Some of them are totally benevolent.
Speaker 2: They're just passing through. And you know, I do sometimes
Speaker 2: think maybe the negative ones. People have had negative experiences.
Speaker 2: Some people have had positive experiences. If you watch fire
Speaker 2: in the sky, you would know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Not everybody has just like oh it was great, and
Speaker 2: like sometimes it's not a positive experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And with firing the sky, I think the one
Speaker 1: thing that's always interested me about that story, and you
Speaker 1: do believe it, will say this, this is what I
Speaker 1: will say to that. I know that the people that
Speaker 1: experience that, I know that they believe it. I know
Speaker 1: that they believe that is real. I think I don't
Speaker 1: think they're lying. I do not think that they're coming
Speaker 1: out and saying you know, when you watch the interviews,
Speaker 1: when you you can just tell when when the way
Speaker 1: people present themselves sometimes are they are they out seeking attention?
Speaker 1: Like they straight up when they talk about that, you
Speaker 1: can almost sense the trauma. Yeah, Like you can sense
Speaker 1: that how traumatic that was for them. So I know
Speaker 1: that he believes that definitely happened to him. It's a
Speaker 1: very convincing case to me.
Speaker 2: And it would be like, oh, they're making it up
Speaker 2: for what they were like cutting trees in the middle
Speaker 2: of the you know what I mean, Like for what
Speaker 2: are they making this up? You know, they were like
Speaker 2: manly men, like.
Speaker 1: Some people make up stories for attention. But you know,
Speaker 1: like and I know that our guts lie to us
Speaker 1: sometimes and we're not always the best and in character,
Speaker 1: and there's and others that they want to believe these
Speaker 1: things so bad that they'll just believe anything. But you know,
Speaker 1: with that particular case, like it is very convincing. I
Speaker 1: will say that that is one of the most convincing. Ah,
Speaker 1: I guess you would call that an abduction star The
Speaker 1: fourth kind and a true story. You know, I definitely
Speaker 1: believe that they are telling the truth. Let's put it
Speaker 1: that way, that they believe it happened to them and
Speaker 1: what it is such a crazy story. I remember watching
Speaker 1: that movie too, just being like in awe that when
Speaker 1: it came out.
Speaker 2: And it's freaky too because it's like this diachtlave past thing.
Speaker 2: It's like everybody has an opinion on it and everybody's.
Speaker 1: M it's a cool story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. Wait are you talking about Travis Walton?
Speaker 1: Are you talking both? I'm talking both. They are both
Speaker 1: really cool stories. I mean, they're right up there. Those
Speaker 1: are the types of stories that capture our imagination.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You know, it goes against other things that you've learned.
Speaker 1: And I'll say that in recent times, we are seeing
Speaker 1: more and more like footage from our own government where
Speaker 1: they're seeing crafts that they can't explain. And when you
Speaker 1: talk to most pilots, they've run into crafts that they
Speaker 1: can't really explain. Does that make them alien? I can't
Speaker 1: confirm or deny that, you know, like it's that's too
Speaker 1: hard to say. Could it be experimental aircraft? Could it
Speaker 1: be you know, aircraft? Nobody is supposed to know about.
Speaker 1: So nobody's gonna say, oh, yeah, we were flying one
Speaker 1: of these new space aged craft that we've been working
Speaker 1: on that we don't want anybody else to know about. Like,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna come out and say that, but they're definitely
Speaker 1: seeing things up there. I believe these people.
Speaker 2: How do you do you believe in the Bermuda Triangle?
Speaker 1: Man? There are some really cool stories that come out
Speaker 1: of that, and there's other there's other triangles like that
Speaker 1: that aren't just the Bermuda Triangle. There's other places and
Speaker 1: I can't think of them off the top of my
Speaker 1: head that this stuff happens even more often than yeah,
Speaker 1: in a triangle. But my belief in it doesn't make
Speaker 1: it true or not true. But it is very fucking interesting.
Speaker 2: We can speculate based on the activity that goes on
Speaker 2: at these locations that there's something going on, even if
Speaker 2: we don't know what what it is. So the reason
Speaker 2: I ask you that is because I came across yet
Speaker 2: another conspiracy theory about the Diatlav Pass, which was there
Speaker 2: are just random portals in weird locations like this Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 2: This do not go there Mountain, the Fuji Mountain.
Speaker 1: In Japan, like they're this ominous place that just holds
Speaker 1: the reason why it has this this power, or that
Speaker 1: people believe it's had this power for so long.
Speaker 2: It's because they're portals, they're gateways.
Speaker 1: They can feel it, they can feel you know. I
Speaker 1: had heard a story about the Bermuda Triangle that was
Speaker 1: very interesting to me about a pilot and I do
Speaker 1: believe this might have been around World War two times
Speaker 1: or maybe not. But he started flying and he flew
Speaker 1: into this electric storm. Now he knew how much fuel
Speaker 1: he had. Obviously he's a pilot. He needed to know
Speaker 1: how much fuel he had. He knew how long that
Speaker 1: trip was going to take him. It was from somewhere
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like one of those normal trips.
Speaker 1: He would be taken from the Caribbean, maybe through to
Speaker 1: Miami or that area. And as he was flying, he
Speaker 1: flies into this storm and it was like this dark
Speaker 1: storm cloud that just completely gave him the creeps. And
Speaker 1: he was in touch with air traffic control somewhere in
Speaker 1: the Caribbean when he was about to fly into it,
Speaker 1: and he was terrified of this thing. And he's like,
Speaker 1: as I'm flying through it, like I almost came into
Speaker 1: what was an eye of the storm type thing and
Speaker 1: knew I had to fly even further. And he's like,
Speaker 1: my instruments are all going crazy. I can't pick direction,
Speaker 1: I can't see where the sun is. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: basically flying blind, you know, And I'm going into this storm.
Speaker 3: And he comes back out the storm cloud and he's
Speaker 3: like almost right above Miami, but he's there two hours
Speaker 3: earlier than he's supposed to be, and he hasn't lost
Speaker 3: the fuel.
Speaker 1: He should have lost that. And he's sitting there thinking
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about, not like he thought he
Speaker 1: was in a time portal. But he's like, this should
Speaker 1: not This is impossible. What's just happened to me is impossible. Either.
Speaker 1: My gauges right now are completely wrong. I don't have
Speaker 1: as much fuel as this is telling me, and my
Speaker 1: you know, clock on here is wrong. But once he
Speaker 1: was in touch with air traffic control, they're telling him
Speaker 1: the same thing, not about his fuel but the time
Speaker 1: it was, and he's asking to go and land and
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's.
Speaker 2: Really and that is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I can't tell you how many pilots
Speaker 1: would have probably flown into something like that and never
Speaker 1: been able to make it out and just crash. What
Speaker 1: you hear about all the time in that area where
Speaker 1: you know, this plane's never been found, and then sometimes
Speaker 1: they do end up finding some of these planes ears
Speaker 1: and years later with people that go and find wrecks
Speaker 1: so super interesting.
Speaker 2: There's been whole passenger flights disappear in there. So that's
Speaker 2: why when I ask you that, I'm literally being sincere
Speaker 2: when I say I think that there are portals like
Speaker 2: this and we just have no idea about them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if the government knows about them, they're not telling us.
Speaker 1: You know. The only thing the government's like a two
Speaker 1: and sword to me. You know, you think about some
Speaker 1: elements of the government, you're like these they can't do
Speaker 1: anything right. They're completely an apt, you know, like they
Speaker 1: can't get the census right, they can't figure anything out,
Speaker 1: they can't police things right. It's basically, if you want
Speaker 1: something to run poorly, just put the government in charge.
Speaker 1: You know. So when I hear certain things about like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe the government knows this, man, I doubt it. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're merely as smart as they want. People
Speaker 1: to believe they are.
Speaker 2: But ooh, you know what that makes me think of.
Speaker 2: It makes me think of men in black because you know,
Speaker 2: in that movie, Will Smith goes, so, what branch of
Speaker 2: the government do we report to? And he goes, we don't.
Speaker 2: They don't need to know about this. We work for
Speaker 2: ourselves and we don't report to anyone. They ask too
Speaker 2: many questions. And it's like, what if there's some type
Speaker 2: of like it's not even the government, but somebody out
Speaker 2: there is like in control of like, Okay, we know
Speaker 2: where all these hot spots are, we know where the
Speaker 2: portals are in the gateways like skin walk or ranch
Speaker 2: places like this. There's serious fucking shit going on here,
Speaker 2: and it's like who has the answers?
Speaker 1: Somebody?
Speaker 2: Anybody? Does anyone know what the fuck is going on here?
Speaker 1: I don't, I know, I know they don't.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I'm slowly finding that out. Like everybody's just
Speaker 2: kind of like going through life with like a blindfold on,
Speaker 2: you know, just feeling their way through.
Speaker 1: It's that idea. It kind of reminds me of the
Speaker 1: idea of and I think we all went through this
Speaker 1: as children. I know I did. When I was a child.
Speaker 1: I used to look up at adults and be like, man,
Speaker 1: they got it all figured out. And you kind of
Speaker 1: have this assumption as you get older that, like things,
Speaker 1: you're just going to figure things out. And you do
Speaker 1: gain wisdom and you do gain knowledge, but the reality
Speaker 1: is you don't know nearly as much as you thought
Speaker 1: you were going to know. You don't You can't do
Speaker 1: as much as you thought you were going to be
Speaker 1: able to do. You have to spend every waking moment
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, become an expert on anything. And
Speaker 1: you realize quickly you can't be an expert in everything,
Speaker 1: and you got to pick your battles and pick what
Speaker 1: you want. And I think sometimes people attribute the government similarly,
Speaker 1: like they know everything, they're in the know, they know this. No,
Speaker 1: they don't know shit. They don't know shit they want
Speaker 1: Look at I mean, just look at the last couple
Speaker 1: of presidents we've had. I'll just say that we these people,
Speaker 1: they're not like the smartest people you've ever come across
Speaker 1: in the know. I'm not going to go to Joe
Speaker 1: Biden and be like, tell me about the aliens, tell
Speaker 1: me about what's going on over there. I wouldn't Biden
Speaker 1: to change my fucking oil in my car. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust him to give me directions to get
Speaker 1: up the street. Hey, which one's my house? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm standing in front of her.
Speaker 2: That makes me want to ask you one question. Yeah,
Speaker 2: did you hear this story that Joe Biden walked right
Speaker 2: in front of the Duchess of Cornwall Camillion?
Speaker 1: No? I didn't. Whatever this is I did.
Speaker 2: His leg up and just ripped ass right in front
Speaker 2: of her. Yeah, couldn't stop talking about it for days. Oil,
Speaker 2: you know, and then Joe Biden just walks right up
Speaker 2: to her, looks are dead in the eye and just
Speaker 2: rips ass in front of her. He did this in
Speaker 2: front of the Pope too. He was like, Hi, Pope,
Speaker 2: nice to meet you. I'm Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Somebody puts themoily water on that man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought that was the craziest thing I
Speaker 2: had ever heard. Somebody else told me about it. They go.
Speaker 2: He pulled a real power move, if you ask me,
Speaker 2: probably shit his breches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing surprises me.
Speaker 2: But Brian, okay, did you wrap up for the night.
Speaker 2: Can you tell the listeners what it is you're doing
Speaker 2: on the Cleveland Schwill podcast. What do you have going
Speaker 2: on inlightness?
Speaker 1: Okay? And no, I appreciate that, So I I have
Speaker 1: started my own podcast called Cleveland Schwill. And if we
Speaker 1: have a little gimmick on there where we have to
Speaker 1: have a drink while we're doing our talking and you
Speaker 1: kind of tell everybody what is it you're drinking, how
Speaker 1: you would make it, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm
Speaker 1: predominantly I've lived most of my life in Northeast Ohio,
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to promote Northeast Ohio talent. And that
Speaker 1: means like anybody who's in the music industry out here, artists,
Speaker 1: small business owners. I even want to have on detectives
Speaker 1: to talk about like, you know, not like recent crimes,
Speaker 1: but maybe like a retired detective talk about some of
Speaker 1: his cases that he's done over the years. And next
Speaker 1: week I'm actually interviewing somebody for that has made their
Speaker 1: own comic book strip here that they have four different
Speaker 1: comics that they've done. They look it looks absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 1: He's been doing it for years. He's made movies, he
Speaker 1: does the writing. All of the stuff takes place in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: So Basically, it's a it's a Northeast Ohio podcast, but
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we invite anybody to come and listen,
Speaker 1: but it's just a kind of document and promote talented
Speaker 1: people that before they go off to somewhere else to
Speaker 1: make it and then have everybody be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had them. They're back since day one when we
Speaker 1: did right right and just upcoming events that are happening
Speaker 1: locally and things like that. But there's a ton of
Speaker 1: interesting people here and we're going to try to do
Speaker 1: everything we can to get their stories. And I think
Speaker 1: it could be entertaining to anybody, but predominantly it's people
Speaker 1: that like live in this area or used to live
Speaker 1: in this area and want to know what's going on
Speaker 1: and want to know about like some of the things
Speaker 1: their neighbors are up to.
Speaker 2: And you know, obviously I'm from there, so it's very
Speaker 2: interesting to me because I like hearing that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff because I grew up there. It's nostalgic, like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of little places and stuff that I went
Speaker 2: to as a kid, and like Geneva on the Lake
Speaker 2: was a biggie and it's a magical place. Actually, what
Speaker 2: I will say, is like beautiful in the fall, like.
Speaker 1: Absolutely all four seasons, you get all four seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really nice. It is. It's a Midwest type of thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, a lot of people grow up here
Speaker 1: and then they move other places, and then they still
Speaker 1: have that nostalgia for back home. That's why they think
Speaker 1: teams like the Cleveland Browns have so many backers bars
Speaker 1: all over the country and even the world. Is people
Speaker 1: are following a team that they grew up with. They
Speaker 1: just live somewhere else now, you know, and that feels
Speaker 1: like home. And sometimes when you listen to somebody from
Speaker 1: your area, it's kind of comforting.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It brings that home field. They talk like, you like
Speaker 1: Cleveland with our accents, and they talk about places that
Speaker 1: you've been in restaurants, you've visited, places you loved going
Speaker 1: when you grew up, and but like to just know
Speaker 1: things that are going on there and that there's exciting
Speaker 1: things happening and what's new, and like you can almost
Speaker 1: feel like you're being part of it again.
Speaker 2: So I think that's an excellent idea because I have
Speaker 2: to tell you, if I come on, I'm talking about
Speaker 2: growing up and going to the grape Jamboree every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which other people have done and love and would
Speaker 1: love to talk about and think about. You know, there's
Speaker 1: so many Instagram pages and other things dedicated just as
Speaker 1: certain decades people grew up in, and all these people
Speaker 1: do they're like adults and there it's like this whole
Speaker 1: thing dedicated to the eighties. And they have like their
Speaker 1: basements and they're putting in VHS tapes that you would
Speaker 1: have watched in the eighties on an eighties television with
Speaker 1: a walk men and they're putting a tape in it
Speaker 1: and people love this shit and the technology is completely outdated,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. Like somebody's holding up a new
Speaker 1: Kids on the Block tape and like all these women
Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, that was my favorite band
Speaker 1: when I was ten years old in the eighties. Like
Speaker 1: they loved that the cassette meant something to them. They
Speaker 1: can remember the time that they were in the basement
Speaker 1: with their eight friends and they put in the tape,
Speaker 1: listen to it all the way through and danced an
Speaker 1: ate pizza Like that shit means things to be because
Speaker 1: it was a simpler time. It was for them and
Speaker 1: not for their parents. It was just as chaotic as
Speaker 1: a christ But for that time, for them, things were
Speaker 1: so simple. The only thing you had to worry about
Speaker 1: was getting your homework done on time and making sure
Speaker 1: you were home by the time the lights went out
Speaker 1: on the street. And you know what note you were
Speaker 1: going to write to your girlfriend and try to get
Speaker 1: passed to her through your friends in you know, like
Speaker 1: that's what people did, and it was just it was
Speaker 1: you couldn't do things so quickly like you can now,
Speaker 1: so it had more meaning. Access to people had more meaning,
Speaker 1: and that meant something to somebody, like if I had
Speaker 1: a problem, like I couldn't just text somebody real quick
Speaker 1: to find out how they're feeling about it, Like that
Speaker 1: devalues that communication because it's so easy to access. When
Speaker 1: you had to sit there and all over for an
Speaker 1: entire weekend. What you were going to say to your
Speaker 1: girlfriend or boyfriend when you saw them on Monday, that
Speaker 1: had a completely different amount of meaning to you. It
Speaker 1: had so much value because you couldn't just access it.
Speaker 1: You couldn't just do it. You had to really think
Speaker 1: about it. You went over all the different scenarios in
Speaker 1: your head and you're like, I might put this in
Speaker 1: my note or I'll just tell her in person, or
Speaker 1: I'll just do this, and now things are just throw
Speaker 1: away to a degree, and it kind of has devalued
Speaker 1: things a little bit. You slipe left or right on
Speaker 1: a human being superficially and you and you don't even
Speaker 1: know them or anything about their personality or traits, and
Speaker 1: it kind of is I think that does have a
Speaker 1: detrimental effect on people, But the nostalgia for me is
Speaker 1: where it's at. And I think communicating I think actually
Speaker 1: bringing these podcasts and people listening to podcasts kind of
Speaker 1: takes you back to a little bit of more of
Speaker 1: a nostalgic time because you're listening to two people talk
Speaker 1: and it's real, it's not edited. Nobody's pushing their well,
Speaker 1: people push narratives, but I mean, and there's commercials, but
Speaker 1: it's not like the whole thing, Like when you watch
Speaker 1: five minutes of a news clip and it's just a
Speaker 1: real clip blurb so they can get to that make
Speaker 1: you buy a Toyota cam ring. At the end, you're
Speaker 1: sitting there like talking about real shit with real people,
Speaker 1: and your listeners are sitting there like, yeah, I fucking
Speaker 1: want to know about this too. They can tell when
Speaker 1: you're being real. People aren't stupid. They know when you're
Speaker 1: being real, and they know when you're full of shit.
Speaker 1: And most people want to listen to somebody who at
Speaker 1: least they know is being real with them. There's something
Speaker 1: inherently almost unique about that quality. Now that's a shame.
Speaker 2: Right, do you know why, Brian? Because the kids who
Speaker 2: have grown up being able to text everything did not
Speaker 2: have to live through the generation where you had to
Speaker 2: be able to make conversation with another human being and
Speaker 2: like fill in the small like the gaps in between
Speaker 2: and with small talk and like come up with stuff
Speaker 2: to say on your feet, be sociable. Yeah, because I
Speaker 2: was talking to somebody who's like a gen Z or whatever.
Speaker 2: They've texted everything their whole life, and it's like they'll
Speaker 2: be like, I hate having conversations with people, like just
Speaker 2: text me, for God's sake, Like I don't want to
Speaker 2: talk to you on the phone, or I don't want
Speaker 2: to talk to you like at work, I just text
Speaker 2: me or email me or whatever. If you don't come
Speaker 2: to my cubicle and ask me, just send it in
Speaker 2: an email.
Speaker 1: What they're really saying is that's my insecurity and anywhere
Speaker 1: that I'm insecure. I don't feel comfortable and I don't
Speaker 1: feel like safe. I feel safe between the veil of
Speaker 1: this piece of technology, but I don't feel safe interacting
Speaker 1: with another human being. It's my anxiety. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where you do see a lot of anxiety stemming
Speaker 1: from a lot of people now, is that we've dehumanized
Speaker 1: humans to the point where I hope that we can
Speaker 1: come back from it, and I hope that people do
Speaker 1: learn that what a beautiful blessing it is to talk
Speaker 1: to another human being. You know, this is scientifically proven
Speaker 1: and we're wired this way, biologically wired this way that
Speaker 1: if two people hold hands long enough, their heartbeats start
Speaker 1: to sing. You hold somebody's hand that you love and
Speaker 1: actually can heal you. And this is not bullshit, I'm not.
Speaker 1: This is scientifically proven stuff. Being around people that you
Speaker 1: love and having somebody tell you that they love you,
Speaker 1: and and and you're around them and and the trust
Speaker 1: is there, and they're holding your hand and they care
Speaker 1: for you. It actually really does make people better. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the cure cure for all, you know,
Speaker 1: but people get better from illnesses faster when they're when
Speaker 1: they have somebody that loves them, that's taking care of them,
Speaker 1: Like we are biologically wired to be around other people,
Speaker 1: not a device. And if people are like I can't
Speaker 1: find love, I don't know anything about love, but they
Speaker 1: look through that. The only way they're comfortable in finding
Speaker 1: love is through an app or their computer. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with that, using that to reach
Speaker 1: out to somebody, even though it's very superficial and mostly
Speaker 1: predominantly based on looks unfortunately. But you have to pair
Speaker 1: that with humanity. You have to pair that with going
Speaker 1: out and seeing somebody's personality and understanding that there's more
Speaker 1: than just the smile and a professional photographer that took
Speaker 1: some pictures of somebody in Calvin Fine underwing, there's more
Speaker 1: to it than that. And when you touch that person
Speaker 1: and you kiss them on their lips and look them
Speaker 1: in their eyes or touch the back of their head,
Speaker 1: that literally releases chemicals and people. It's a whole new experience.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's why I, Yes, I was going to say,
Speaker 9: that's why I feel like these gen Z kids will
Speaker 9: see in a room with you on their.
Speaker 2: Phone the entire time and be super comfortable, never uttering
Speaker 2: a word out of their mouth to you, because it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm on my phone. Why aren't you on your phone.
Speaker 2: Let's just sit in the same room and be on
Speaker 2: our phones together. But I remember when I was little,
Speaker 2: if my mom had people company come over to the
Speaker 2: house and I wasn't sitting at the table with them
Speaker 2: talking or sitting in the living room with them talking,
Speaker 2: I was in trouble. Yeah, because you have to talk
Speaker 2: to the guests. There are company. They came all the
Speaker 2: way over unannounced to have some coffee and some little
Speaker 2: fucking fiebra cakes or whatever mom has. Just to sit
Speaker 2: and enjoy each other's company.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: And that, in a way is what podcasts is doing too,
Speaker 2: is like just enjoying another person's company for an hour
Speaker 2: or two.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it does comfort people now, let them know that
Speaker 1: they're not alone. There's other people that are like you
Speaker 1: out there that do want to talk to other human beings,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it might be harder to find them when
Speaker 1: you're in the hustle and bustle of your everyday, repetitive life.
Speaker 1: But when you break away, you know, sometimes I say,
Speaker 1: it's not that bad to just go say hi to people.
Speaker 1: I do it all the time everywhere I go. Can
Speaker 1: I talk to people I do. You wouldn't believe how
Speaker 1: happy most people are to just have you say hello
Speaker 1: to them and give five seconds of your time to
Speaker 1: give a shit. It's a whole new world out there.
Speaker 1: When you do that for people, they're unbelievably grateful.
Speaker 2: One of the greatest gifts you can give someone is
Speaker 2: your time.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's a great way to put it. It's true.
Speaker 2: And on that note, if someone wants to spend some
Speaker 2: time with you, Brian, how can they contact you?
Speaker 1: Okay, so it is if you have if you're from
Speaker 1: Northeast Ohio, know somebody from Northeast Ohio that is kind
Speaker 1: of partaking in any of the things I brought up earlier,
Speaker 1: mostly in the art world, but also small businesses or
Speaker 1: detectives or comedians or anything along like actually any interesting
Speaker 1: stories that you have period. Even if your house is
Speaker 1: haunted and you live in Northeast Ohio. You can reach
Speaker 1: me at Cleveland dot Shwill at gmail dot com. And
Speaker 1: we also have a Cleveland Schwill Instagram page and that's
Speaker 1: Cleveland Underscore Shwill on Instagram.
Speaker 2: So yeah, will send you a message on Instagram and.
Speaker 1: You can send me a message on Instagram and actually
Speaker 1: anybody can follow the page. I'm on Apple, Spotify, Google, Amazon,
Speaker 1: mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Anchor pod be and all of those. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: do want to say Brian, I love you to bits.
Speaker 2: You are my cousin and obviously you're not just a
Speaker 2: guest on my show. So it's always super fun when
Speaker 2: you come on.
Speaker 1: Oh I love coming on. I love coming on. It's
Speaker 1: a great time. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Having me absolutely and thanks for being part of the spectacular.
Speaker 2: So all my listeners, I hope you enjoyed it. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much for listening, and we'll see you on
Speaker 2: the next one.
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