WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:04.200 Baby, I'm a gangster too. It takes out a tangle. 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:08.240 You mess with me, Mess with me, Baby, I'm a 3 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:24.519 gangster too. Oh pooch baby, young gamester too. For good warnings. 4 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:27.280 So this podcast is designed to take you outside of 5 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:29.839 your comfort zone and make you question reality. 6 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:44.320 Listener Discretion is a vibe. 7 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:39.679 Talk with the fellas. 8 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:44.079 This ain't my first time at the rodeos. 9 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:51.759 Hello, and welcome back to the show. We are continuing 10 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:56.560 the twenty twenty four Panties on the Floor, Ghost Demons 11 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:01.240 and more Halloween special. Today we are continuing to kick 12 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:05.079 it old school with another crowd favorite, featuring one of 13 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:10.040 my favorite co hosts, Brian Jason from the Cleveland Twill podcast. 14 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:14.599 This is a super interesting episode diving into the high 15 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:15.799 strangeness of. 16 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:17.760 The Diachtlas past incident. 17 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:20.319 It's great, You're gonna love it. 18 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:21.560 Let's jump go. 19 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:31.000 Shut your soul, see your due spot stick with such 20 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:32.239 a scratch. 21 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:47.640 And let me hear you shrink stop stand stop stop 22 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:49.120 stop stop stop. 23 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:56.959 All right everyway? 24 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:01.719 Why you are podcast? 25 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:08.039 The spectacular contenuus with the Halloween addition to the Cosmic 26 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:13.520 Peach podcast, and we are gonna be talking about the 27 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:18.199 Doomed expedition. And who do we have on tonight? Well, 28 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:24.800 we have on the new host of the Cleveland Shwill podcast, 29 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:29.319 my very own cousin, Brian. How are you hey? 30 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:34.719 What's up? Cosmic Peach listeners, And it's nice to be back. 31 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:40.039 It's going down because I have my theories, you have 32 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:45.120 your theories, and the listeners have their own theories, which. 33 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:46.719 I think we're going to ruffle some feathers. Toy, I 34 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.800 did so, and I'm okay with that. Go ahead and 35 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:54.639 just tell me how stupid I am in the comments. 36 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:55.240 I don't care. 37 00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:02.439 No, So all right, So what I'm gonna do, I'm 38 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:05.560 gonna just kind of break down the beginning and then 39 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.960 I'm gonna let you jump in. So what I have 40 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:15.240 is a group of nine mountaineers embark on a winter 41 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:22.240 trek into Russia's I think it's pronounced Earl mountains, and 42 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:29.879 their destination was a mountain called Mount o Torton. It 43 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:36.400 is in Russia, obviously, and the locals call it oh Torton, 44 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:42.280 which is Mancy for do not go there. So in 45 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.639 the group there were three experienced engineers and the others 46 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:48.560 were students. They were all young. The oldest of them 47 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:52.599 was like thirty seven and get this, they had conducted 48 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.400 other treks to this area, so this was not their 49 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:57.000 first time. 50 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.800 And actually most of them are highly. 51 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:05.240 Experience, right right, and they were successful in their previous tracks. 52 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:05.919 Yeah. 53 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:10.240 So, but for reasons we will obviously be discussing this 54 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:15.360 particular track on February first, nineteen fifty nine, ended up 55 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:20.079 in the deaths of all nine hikers, right your thoughts. 56 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.680 Okay, Well, let's talk about how the bodies were found 57 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:33.639 and why it is so appealing to people, especially because 58 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:37.879 it's so confusing, you know. So one of the things 59 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:39.160 we were going to debate that this is what I 60 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:44.439 have written down is the tents were found cut from 61 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:51.920 the inside, open with provisions and things left behind when 62 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.720 they ran out. Okay, when some of the bodies were found, 63 00:04:56.399 --> 00:05:00.399 they had high levels of radiation, one was missing a tongue, 64 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:06.480 one was missing eyes cuts. Some of the bodies were 65 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:13.839 described as being found with such extreme trauma, like blunt 66 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.720 force type trauma that they knew a human being could 67 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:24.199 not have done it. They were destroyed these bodies. What 68 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.439 I have two is, you know, there was remnants of 69 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.680 a fire. Some of the people were wearing the other 70 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:36.360 one's clothes. So it was interesting though, because they were 71 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:39.120 very good about documenting while they were going. They took 72 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:42.040 a lot of pictures and they wrote their famili's postcards 73 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:43.920 and that's part of the reason why a search party 74 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.439 ended up coming out anyway, because the postcards stopped coming. 75 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:53.639 I do know that the day that they were ended 76 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:57.720 up at that pass, which a memorial now sits on 77 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.160 it and it's actually highly visited. A lot of people go there. 78 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:01.959 Oh I'm sure. 79 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:07.279 Yeah, there's like a memorial thing put up there. But 80 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:11.240 the day that they were actually doing that track horrible, 81 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:16.120 This is completely documented. A horrible snowstorm came in very 82 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:20.360 high winds, extremely loud, and actually pushed them off course 83 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:22.360 and that's how they ended up over there, because the 84 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:24.920 course was not plotted from there. Yeah. 85 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.720 I have that they ended up at a place called 86 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:33.759 they set up camp atop an area called co lot Seacle, 87 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:37.079 which translates to the Mountain of the Dead. 88 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:41.839 Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I did not. I don't 89 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.720 know anything about that, and who knows if it got 90 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:46.920 that name after the incident. I do know that some 91 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.360 of that stuff though, like local people knew you don't 92 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.319 go there, like yeah, that's why it. 93 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:55.000 Was called the Do Not Go There Mountain pretty much. 94 00:06:55.240 --> 00:07:00.120 Yeah, yeah, it was. I do know that. You know, 95 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:05.160 it is interesting the tracks that they found, like leaving 96 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:08.720 the tents. None of them were wearing boots or shoes. 97 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:16.480 They're either in socks or barefoot. Yeah, one person's hand 98 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.839 was found bitten. One there's pieces of flesh found up 99 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:24.279 in the trees. I mean, this was all. 100 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:29.439 Talking about actually, while we're on that, if we're talking 101 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:34.680 about how they were found. So this is what I 102 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:36.600 have for my notes that I wanted to make sure 103 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:38.519 I read to you and you got and got your thoughts, 104 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:42.879 because I have something was obviously pushing them to run 105 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.240 away without taking any clothing with them, no supplies, nothing, 106 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.120 so it would appear to me that they were flighting 107 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:54.920 and not fighting. So basically they were found in what 108 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:59.639 can be described as various states of mutilation, Like some 109 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.160 of them were burned, some of them suffered radiation poisoning. 110 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.399 One like you said the tongue was missing, and someone 111 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:11.439 said they looked prematurely aged, that their skin was literally 112 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.959 orange and their hair had turned gray. 113 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:20.240 I've never heard that. Yeah, I don't know that about 114 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.560 that body. I don't know if that's something that could 115 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:25.680 also have to do with a high levels of radiation. 116 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.680 Right, because one of the theories was like maybe an 117 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.839 animal got a hold of them, and then I saw 118 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:34.399 someone try to debunk it and go the area where 119 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:37.440 they were in was so inhospitable that there wouldn't have 120 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.679 been animals to like start eating them. 121 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.600 I wouldn't completely roll out animals. I mean, animals are 122 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.080 very resilient, they're smart, they know what they need to 123 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:47.919 be doing, and like they're not going to miss an 124 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:51.759 opportunity to take advantage of anything. You know, they don't 125 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.200 have the McDonald's up the street, so if they're around 126 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.159 and there's something there that they can eat and it's 127 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.840 right there, not going to fight back, I wouldn't roll 128 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.440 completely out. With the amount of time that passed between 129 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:06.240 their deaths and then them being found, which we both 130 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:10.399 have discrepancies on that we can get into later. And 131 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:12.480 I don't want to reveal all my stuff till the 132 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:14.679 end of what I actually think happened. I think we 133 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:16.519 could talk about some of the other theories. 134 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.000 Yeah, let me actually give you my gist of things. 135 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:21.919 Then Okay, let me get. 136 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:23.440 This part out of the way, because I feel like 137 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:25.879 what I have is what most of our listeners are 138 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:29.039 going to be like, yeah, that's what happened. Okay, then 139 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:32.720 you can do years and we'll just debate each other then. Okay, 140 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.519 So basically I have the animal thing couldn't have happened 141 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.240 because but obviously it's like you said, if they're out 142 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:43.000 there for a couple of days, I have that they 143 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.600 were found ten days later and they were in these 144 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:54.720 various states of mutilation. And I also have that because 145 00:09:55.679 --> 00:10:01.279 the cold should have turned them into popsicles and preserved 146 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:07.200 their bodies, why were they found like this like I 147 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:12.440 would think, and it's like they're so hospitable. Let's just 148 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.279 say there's no animals. The cold should have preserved the bodies. 149 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:18.080 So you can't blame the cold or the animals. And 150 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:21.519 I don't know if there was any radioactive animals that 151 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:25.240 could do this, unless spider that bit Peter Parker was 152 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:29.039 out there, but that's probably not the case. Okay, let's 153 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:33.519 just roll that off. And basically it doesn't stop there 154 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.759 with like the orange coloration, the hair turning gray, because 155 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:42.000 three of them had injuries consistent with being hit by 156 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:45.840 a speeding car. But it was all internal, like their 157 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:50.919 ribs were crushed like eggshells. Some of them actually had 158 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:55.840 shards of their ribs enter into their hearts, but no 159 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:00.360 effect on the skin. It was all internal, right. 160 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:02.080 That's true. I got the exact same thing. 161 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:07.600 Yeah, and this has been compared to a direct energy 162 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:13.279 weapon to crush the inside and leave the outside pristine 163 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:18.679 and there. Yeah, I'm thinking like direct energy weapon because 164 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:21.840 basically the snow, the trees, everything else in the era 165 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:25.639 was completely untouched. But we have like three people with 166 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:31.159 crushed syndrome, a lady with gray hair, no eyes, no tongue, 167 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:36.759 all this weird stuff, orange skin yea. And basically the 168 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:41.200 official explanation was that the nine died of hypothermia, but 169 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:46.399 EEF investigator never believed that was the cause of death 170 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.320 and refused to sign off on the report and instead 171 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.399 he completely resigned from the inquiry. 172 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:57.919 And it's it's their actual government explanation, which this is 173 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.960 this is what leads to conspiracy theory. Let's face it 174 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.600 was basically it's extremely vague. They weren't There was not 175 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:11.200 really any uh leaked information period they I mean, they 176 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:15.000 basically left it up to interpretation and let and when 177 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.240 you do that, people are going to fill in the blanks, 178 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.279 absolu fucking loosely, withever they whatever they want, They're going 179 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:23.919 to fill the blank. They're going to fill the blank. 180 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:27.000 That's where you get these there's a well, we can 181 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:28.879 get into some of the other theories in a minute, 182 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:32.279 but i'll when you're ready, I can talk to talk 183 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:34.000 to you about them. They're kind of interesting. 184 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:37.000 Let me just sum up the end and then we 185 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.600 can get to Brian's interpretations. So basically, I have like 186 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:44.480 the local authorities try to cover the whole thing up. 187 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:49.320 It was practically forbidden to mention it. And at the end, 188 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:55.519 their bodies were buried in zinc coffins and they were 189 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:59.279 closed coffins so no one could see them. I looked 190 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:03.320 into the whole zinc coffin's thing, and most websites basically 191 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.399 the information that I found said they used inc coff 192 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:10.279 when they need like a really good seal on the coffin, 193 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:12.679 which just kind of gave me the creeps, like what 194 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:15.000 were they trying to seal in there? Like something coming 195 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:19.679 off the corpses, Like what is it? So there was 196 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.840 enough of an investigation and enough people had seen the 197 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.600 corpses to conclude that they were not being told the truth. 198 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:29.480 For example, why were some of them with their skin 199 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:33.759 completely orange? The crushed syndrome thing, It was weird. Oh, 200 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:35.720 a lot of people say to this state it's an 201 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:40.559 unsolved murder. And just to top it off, years later 202 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:45.279 after the event took place, members of the search party 203 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:49.840 spoke out and according to their testimony, at the time 204 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:55.559 of the incident, strange orange spheres or orbs were seen 205 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.080 floating in the sky the night of the hiker's death, 206 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.360 and even more or locals from the area confirmed the 207 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:05.200 siding and of course other. 208 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.279 People hiking and that that did happen. 209 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.919 Yeah, and the Mancy people, like the local people that 210 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:16.279 live over there, they were like yeah, And basically, fiery 211 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.759 spheres have been ever present in Russia, especially in the 212 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:25.159 more desolate areas, and locals know they exist, and it's 213 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:28.039 basically just become a normal part of life for them. 214 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:33.159 And to answer your question from earlier, according to an 215 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.799 ancient Mancy legend, the Mountain of the Dead where our 216 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:42.639 nine hikers were mutilated, received its name after a similar 217 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:48.120 incident took place in which nine Mancy men were also 218 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:53.960 found dead while seeking salvation from a flood, So I 219 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.320 know that there was a. 220 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.440 River or stream real close to there. 221 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.320 Yeah, so I guess that was like back in like 222 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.720 ancient time zone. That's where the legend came from. But 223 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:09.360 my question to you is what would have compelled nine 224 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:14.720 experienced mountaineers to flee their camp in their skivvies and 225 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.720 bare feet and run for their literal lives And what 226 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:23.480 in the world could explain the type of damage they sustained? 227 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:27.759 Right, yeah, Okay, let me go into a couple of 228 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:33.919 the other more conspiracy type theories, because there are some 229 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.519 here that some people are going to want to hear mentioned. 230 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:40.919 I think, Okay, one, there was actually a photo that 231 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:44.320 you can look up that was taken and it was 232 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.159 we know, we can confirm it's a real photo that 233 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.679 they know, it's not doctored. It's real. If you look 234 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.679 it up, i'd say, like yachtlav pass YETI or whatever 235 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:01.200 and taken there. Now, so this YETI It's it's one 236 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:03.840 of those photos where it's more of like an outline 237 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.080 of something in the background and you're gonna make your 238 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:10.240 own interpretation of it. I think the problem with this 239 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:14.240 theory of the picture and them thinking that it could 240 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:19.000 be a Yeti there is. Yes, you see some of 241 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.519 the bodies are mutilated, but the other ones that had 242 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:23.399 like severe trauma, there's nothing. 243 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.399 Done to the skin, nothing on the skin. 244 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.519 Nothing on the skin. If a bigfoot is whooping your ass, 245 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.480 you m h, you're gonna have something on the skin 246 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:36.159 right now, Yeah, you're gonna have something. So I don't 247 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:39.600 really like that theory. But the picture is there, and 248 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:44.240 it kind of sparked, you know, those who want to 249 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.279 believe that a Yeti's up there kicking people's butts, and 250 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:49.480 they see that picture. I mean, that's gonna be some 251 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:53.720 evidence for that. But I just don't think like yeties 252 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.480 don't have anything to do with radiation. Yeties don't have 253 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.519 anything to do with you know, cutting your from the 254 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:06.240 inside and not like this, they'd be ripping the tent 255 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:11.319 open to get to the people. Right. So there's another theory. 256 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:14.039 And you talk about the government, believe it or not. 257 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:16.319 I think four of the hikers, and I don't know 258 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:19.720 they're there, they all went to this school called UPI, 259 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:23.240 and four of them had major KGB connections for real, 260 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.799 like this is one hundred percent true documented They these 261 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:31.119 are really smart young people who had connections to the government. 262 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:34.880 There are people out there who one hundred percent believe 263 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:36.880 that the government could have been involved to try to 264 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.799 cover up some things. But again that's a lot of 265 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.559 speculation without a lot of evidence. And I get that 266 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.240 when we do these things, we have to speculate. Even 267 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.839 my story is going to be some speculation that had 268 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:54.480 happened this way that way. I mean, I can't confirm 269 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:56.839 these things. I can't prove it, you know, you just 270 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.319 have to basically believe it. But there are a lot 271 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:04.480 of connections to the KGB with this this hiking group, 272 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:06.599 and they were a very smart group of people and 273 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.880 a lot of engineers, and some of them had military experience. 274 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.240 As a matter of fact, I think the last person 275 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:17.440 to join the expedition was one hundred percent of KGB 276 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:25.400 member And like that really got those type of rumors flowing. Okay, 277 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:31.720 then when you talked about the craft there they did well. 278 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:37.000 People that our meteorologists say everything that that fits with 279 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:39.799 ball lightning, and that there is a lot of ball 280 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:43.960 lightning in that area, ground lightning, ball lightning, and that 281 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.359 can look like giant orbs light orbs in the sky, 282 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:53.359 and that one of the theories actually about that is 283 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:57.279 they said when that ball lightning would happen, they thought 284 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:02.640 that the group saw this and was like, we've got 285 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.319 to document this, and they cut their tents open and 286 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:08.440 went out there to try to like get photographs of it. 287 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:14.480 But see, to me, because the other campers nearby did 288 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:16.480 see these lights in the sky, all that's confirmed that 289 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:21.079 that stuff was going on that night the storm. But 290 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.519 the thing to me that bothers me about that is like, 291 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.839 if you're going to you're not cutting your tent open 292 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:29.680 to take the camera out. You're not running down the 293 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.559 damn thing bare flick and negative thirty degrees, which it 294 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:37.079 was negative thirty degrees. Yeah, no way to go to 295 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:39.880 go take some pictures of some stupid ass ball lightning 296 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:43.240 with your camera that it's not even a megapixel it 297 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:45.960 can't you know, it's going to take sixteen years to 298 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:52.240 to develop it. Yeah, So I was like, this, this 299 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.640 is crap. But that is another one of the theories. 300 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:58.799 It's just a hard one for me to swallow because. 301 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:02.759 Like you said, these are very intelligent people. This isn't 302 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:04.839 Joe Schmoe out there hiking. 303 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:10.480 I know, I know they've got a lot of experience, 304 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.279 They're they're not going to destroy their tent over some 305 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:14.279 pictures of ball. 306 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:14.440 Like. 307 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.519 Yeah, Now, another interesting one, and I had heard this 308 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:24.559 one in the past, is there's a thing called infra sound, 309 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:29.799 which is the sound that we can't really hear with 310 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:35.160 our ears. But there is a belief that wind, and 311 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:37.240 we know that there was a lot of strong wind 312 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:44.079 can cause this infra infra sound. And what it does 313 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:48.200 is there is a belief that it can cause people 314 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:54.599 to do like basically lose their minds, not just to hallucinate, 315 00:20:54.799 --> 00:21:00.000 like literally start doing things that just most people wouldn't 316 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:04.799 ever do think to do. It's it literally drives them crazy, which. 317 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:06.960 It sounds like direct energy weapon. 318 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:10.400 To me, Well, it can sound like whatever. I don't know. 319 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:14.319 I mean, I just know that it's that's what they're saying, 320 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:16.160 but I don't know if that's ever even been proven, 321 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.319 you know, like that this stuff drives people crazy or 322 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.279 does any of this stuff, But they say it causes 323 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.920 irrational fear and would cause people to behave that way 324 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:31.519 running into the thing, bite yourself, cut flesh off, eat 325 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:36.039 your friend, and put their clothes on and dive like 326 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:36.680 the thermia. 327 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:43.000 Explain the radiation in the crush syndrome. 328 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:48.440 Oh who cares? Who cares about that stuff that doesn't 329 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:53.599 fit the narrative. Just throw that out. Let's say what 330 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:56.440 I have to say. So, so I don't know. I 331 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:58.680 don't buy. That's why I don't buy. But these are 332 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:03.000 very these are very popular theories. You know, a lot 333 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.960 of people hold about this, the sound theory and all that. 334 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:14.319 So the last one I have is actually what I 335 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.960 think happened. So if you want to cover anything before this, 336 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:21.680 let me know, and I will wait to bring it up. 337 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:26.839 But Brian, it better cover all the points. Radiation crush, 338 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:30.240 cutting their tent from the inside, missing tongue, It better 339 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:33.240 cover all of it, or else we have to agree 340 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:38.440 this was a direct energy weapon. Brian, go ahead, Well. 341 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:43.799 The ultimatum has been put forward. Okay, So there was 342 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:50.000 a scientist who had this epiphany one day watching a 343 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:54.599 Disney movie Frozen, and what he saw and Frozen was 344 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:59.119 a simple like background scene where you see what is 345 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:02.480 known and as a specific type of avalanche, it's called 346 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:07.200 the delay slab avalanche. And delay slab avalanches are not 347 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.200 very big. They're not like you envisioning in the movies 348 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:13.039 or you see off the side of a mountain where 349 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:15.839 just the snow. It's blatantly obvious this is an avalanche. 350 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:18.440 It's covering everything. You're gonna be buried in twenty five 351 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:23.119 feet of snow. A delayed slab avalanche happens similar to 352 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:26.599 like when you would you have to have a degree 353 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.039 of angle of about above twenty degrees, and we know 354 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:32.880 that the mountain side that they were next to was 355 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:36.319 twenty three degrees. So what happens is as the snow 356 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:38.799 builds up, and we know a major snowstorm was occurring 357 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:41.119 at that time because that's what took them off course, 358 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:47.759 howling winds, ball lightning confirmed to some people, or UFOs 359 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:51.759 to others. So there's a major storm going on. As 360 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.920 that snow built up. That other snow that was already 361 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.039 packed was kind of like a shelf already almost like 362 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:01.000 a book. And let's say you had two books like 363 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.279 you used to have in school, math and history. They're 364 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:06.480 all glossy and they're sitting on top of each other. 365 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:09.680 You pick that one book on the bottom and you 366 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:12.000 start lifting it up, and once you get that book 367 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:14.359 to about twenty three degrees, you'll notice the other one's 368 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:19.640 slides right off, and what they're thinking happened is that 369 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:22.519 snow is it built up, slid off the other snow 370 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:28.680 and covered the tents of the hikers at about three 371 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.079 to four feet of snow, which would be which actually 372 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.519 would have some weight to it and be pretty scary. 373 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.119 Now here's something that a lot of people don't know, 374 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:39.880 and this is actually confirmed, and this is left out 375 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:44.279 of a lot of stories because it's hard. It starts 376 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:47.240 to make things make more sense. So why would these 377 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:51.960 experienced hikers cut themselves out and leave the provisions and 378 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:56.319 things behind in the tent. I'll tell you why. Because 379 00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.799 they had more provisions and more things stored in the 380 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:03.440 world woods. So they were looking at everything as a 381 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.640 lost cause in the tent as it was covered cut 382 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:09.640 themselves out. They went to go get the stuff in 383 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:12.960 the woods. They started running to get that stuff in 384 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:18.000 the woods. They were barefoot and barely or in socks. 385 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:25.599 Here's the thing that it's kind of interesting about this here. 386 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:31.079 So you had a small group that went to try 387 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.119 to go make a fire. Like the whole group they're 388 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.240 trying to go make the fire. Well, the stuff on 389 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:41.960 the ground isn't gonna burn. It's really wet. They're climbing 390 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.720 trees to go get the dry stuff, cutting it down, 391 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:49.160 picking it up, bringing it to try to burn it. 392 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:54.240 But it's thirty fucking below. Two people already die of 393 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.960 hypothermia right fucking there. They're gonna die. The guy who 394 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.839 burned himself so fucking cold, he was putting himself into 395 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.200 the fire to try to warm up. That's why his 396 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:10.079 body burned up. You get to a point where you're 397 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:15.160 so cold and you can't feel anything anymore, and people 398 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.240 start to like, there's a test that some people do. 399 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.359 They go, why did this? Why was his hand bit? 400 00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.240 He bit his hand? Can I even feel my hand anymore? 401 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:28.839