Speaker 1: Dirty hands means clean theology. Can you dig it? What's
Speaker 1: going on on? My local guys and gas and long
Speaker 1: distance pals?
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna get it this week.
Speaker 2: I'd tell you that that's wrong.
Speaker 3: That's just that's I don't know, thetosterone son testosterone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just you know now that we know, we're
Speaker 1: looking at this hindsight. This is after our one year
Speaker 1: anniversary show and the catchphrases took on. We actually even
Speaker 1: had a guy said, what's going on long distance pals?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess I'm Benfoot, Benfoot.
Speaker 1: It's hard to be it's been one year already in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, in some ways it seems like it
Speaker 4: just started. In other ways, it seems like we've been
Speaker 4: doing this a long time. It really does. At times
Speaker 4: you feel like you're getting a routine. But but yeah,
Speaker 4: it's been it's been a crazy year.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess, looking back, what was your guys' favorite show?
Speaker 1: If you had to play favorites, I really don't know
Speaker 1: her favorite show, favorite guest. Now that's not not just
Speaker 1: season one or season two, just as a whole.
Speaker 4: For the year, we've all had people that I think
Speaker 4: we connected with maybe a little bit more. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, I think every guest that's ever been
Speaker 4: on here has been so good, and I think I've
Speaker 4: learned so much from each person. But I guess one
Speaker 4: of my favorites, and no offense to anybody else out there,
Speaker 4: but one of my favorites definitely is Ryan Peterson. Absolutely
Speaker 4: love the guy, his knowledge, his his the way that
Speaker 4: he uses scripture to back everything up, that he his ideas,
Speaker 4: his beliefs which are different than a lot of other
Speaker 4: people that we as far as the Fallen Angels and
Speaker 4: some of those things, like different ideas and the final
Speaker 4: Nephilim judgment of the Nephlom. Go out and read those books.
Speaker 4: Just absolutely chocked full of information.
Speaker 2: Just loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's real down to earth. I love just it's
Speaker 1: just like sitting down with an old high school friend
Speaker 1: and talking with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He was easy to you know, communicate with.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Was it Almrino al Marino Alberino.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked him pretty good. But but I liked.
Speaker 3: The ben Stein he I mean, because that we wasn't
Speaker 3: expecting that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brad, Brad Brad.
Speaker 2: Steyle Buehler, Buehler you.
Speaker 3: Know, it wasn't expecting that at all. I mean, he
Speaker 3: just kept with energy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had some fire.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 4: I love and we think we saw that with so
Speaker 4: many guests that we have, just the passion that they
Speaker 4: have behind what they do, their research, their belief and
Speaker 4: how much you can see God working through them and
Speaker 4: everything that they do in the books they write and
Speaker 4: the shows that they've produced, the movies they've done, the
Speaker 4: force of God behind them and what they're doing and
Speaker 4: not caring what other people think, but doing God's work.
Speaker 4: And it's just awesome to see so many strong Christian
Speaker 4: people out there that are making a difference in any
Speaker 4: way they can using the gifts that God gave them.
Speaker 1: Which I love all of this. I love the interviews
Speaker 1: because I mean I read all these guys books and
Speaker 1: watch their you know, YouTube videos and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So it's like once we started this and actually being
Speaker 1: a part of the conversation and talking to these guys,
Speaker 1: it was like I'm like a little kid living their dream,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's like I got to step
Speaker 1: on the court with Michael Jordan, that Derek Gilbert, you know,
Speaker 1: me and him were you know, we're friends for quite
Speaker 1: a few years before I started this, so we already
Speaker 1: had kind of a friendship built up, so I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed having him on the show. But I guess my
Speaker 1: personal favorite was Trace Smith because I grew up believing
Speaker 1: in the faith, but I never really got deep into
Speaker 1: the supernatural or you know, the Hebrew, just kind of
Speaker 1: the I guess, quote unquote weird things until I found
Speaker 1: his YouTube channel, and then that's how I actually found
Speaker 1: Derek Gilbert and some of these other guys, was through
Speaker 1: Trace Smith because he had interviewed him and talked to him.
Speaker 1: So it was really cool to get to talk to
Speaker 1: Trace Smith and me and him actually become friends. We
Speaker 1: actually text and talk on the phone and stuff. So
Speaker 1: that was probably my favorite. That was my fanboy moment.
Speaker 1: I guess, oh fanboy.
Speaker 4: I think it's cool though, when you think about the
Speaker 4: fact that we've been so blessed through this that each
Speaker 4: of these people like you talk about Derek Gilbert, and
Speaker 4: I absolutely loved Derek, one of the nicest, most down
Speaker 4: to earth people there is, and the amount of now
Speaker 4: when you walk away, there's certain things that just made
Speaker 4: you go, WHOA. I mean, that's unbelievable and there's other
Speaker 4: things that I'm still scratching my head, like he needs
Speaker 4: to say that again, Yeah, because it just it was
Speaker 4: just so much all at once. But the knowledge and
Speaker 4: the chance that you know, that we get to sit
Speaker 4: down and talk to some of these people and be
Speaker 4: able to listen to everything, that we get to ask
Speaker 4: the questions we want to ask. Not everybody's that lucky.
Speaker 4: We can sit down and ask these people exactly what's
Speaker 4: been har well, what do you think about this boom?
Speaker 4: And I just love that because there's so much knowledge
Speaker 4: in each of the people that we've had on this program,
Speaker 4: and in different areas and in different spectrums and different viewpoints.
Speaker 4: But like I said, always backed up with scripture. And
Speaker 4: you know, it's some of that's interpretive, you know, in
Speaker 4: some of that ways. But the end goal is that
Speaker 4: these people may have differences in opinion under certain things,
Speaker 4: but they're all non salvation issues. But if it's helped
Speaker 4: at all to push you to read your Bible more,
Speaker 4: to dig into God's word, more to to try to
Speaker 4: search out that truth you know that that God conceals
Speaker 4: in his word, then man, it's it's done something that
Speaker 4: we wanted to do because it's done that for all
Speaker 4: of us, so I just to me, it's been just
Speaker 4: truly a blessing. And on top of that, absolutely love
Speaker 4: the interviews, love the guests, but the other shows that
Speaker 4: we've done, the other the Bible study that I mean,
Speaker 4: that was one of Ben's ideas that I think has
Speaker 4: been just phenomenal, not only just for you know, to
Speaker 4: something we can sit down and do like we would
Speaker 4: in church, like a small group or something, but we're
Speaker 4: we're learning as we go, just with us here, you know,
Speaker 4: being able to bounce ideas off each other, being able
Speaker 4: to kind of see how we each interpret what we read.
Speaker 4: And I feel that God speaks to everybody a little
Speaker 4: bit differently in his word, the way that he speaks
Speaker 4: to you, the way you interpret it, the way that
Speaker 4: he wants you to understand something, maybe a little different
Speaker 4: than he wants me to. That's the Bible's the most
Speaker 4: amazing living book there is on this planet that continually
Speaker 4: God will speak to you through it, even if you're
Speaker 4: reading the same couple passages.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, it's funny because you can say,
Speaker 3: you know, oh, I've read I've read Matthew one hundred times,
Speaker 3: read it again and something else will pop out at you.
Speaker 2: It's it's like it's like watching a movie and you're like.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that happening, you know the first two
Speaker 3: times you watched it.
Speaker 2: You know. It's just it's it's been an awesome journey,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Truth is in the journey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what what I think is great about, like, say,
Speaker 3: the interviews is I know we've said it before. I
Speaker 3: don't know if we've said it on air or not,
Speaker 3: but it's it's wild to watch them.
Speaker 2: You know, they're I wouldn't say all of them, but
Speaker 2: I'm sure some of them's like, okay, I'll well i'll
Speaker 2: talk to this guy.
Speaker 3: These guys I don't know who they are, you know,
Speaker 3: and that they they come in with low expectations.
Speaker 2: Then they see our studio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well then that's even lower, lowers a little more.
Speaker 3: But but ten minutes into the conversation, you can you
Speaker 3: can see that their attitude slash ideas that they first
Speaker 3: got of us change their eyes light up. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's not, well, these are you know
Speaker 3: listening to me anyway?
Speaker 2: He's like, that's a dumb hillbilly.
Speaker 4: But you think about it though, in the same way.
Speaker 2: It's it's just like was it? Peterson said, know your Bible?
Speaker 2: And then he the one you said that.
Speaker 1: Was talking about the you know, Peterson said about having
Speaker 1: the conversation when he came back on with us, he said,
Speaker 1: I just done an interview with another podcast. I was
Speaker 1: their first interview, so they were nervous as could be,
Speaker 1: and they asked me, you know what makes a good interview,
Speaker 1: he said. I automatically thought of you, brothers, he said,
Speaker 1: and I told him he said, just know you Bible,
Speaker 1: he said. Then guys know their Bible, he said. We
Speaker 1: just feed off each other.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, because it's the it's the main topic you're
Speaker 3: talking about, you know, Jesus, Bible to God, you know,
Speaker 3: God and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: So I just think that, you know, it's just been awesome.
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna make you a sticker that says
Speaker 4: that Jesus the Bible of God and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And all that stuff.
Speaker 2: That's all right. It's a T shirt, which I like.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys are so humble. Yeah, like Derek,
Speaker 1: if anybody had the excuse to high hat somebody and
Speaker 1: ignore them, not reply to emails, no I'm too good
Speaker 1: or I'm too busy. It's Dear Gilbert. You know, he
Speaker 1: writes all the time, he's studying all the time. He's
Speaker 1: got several podcasts he runs, He's got the Derek Gilbert
Speaker 1: app and YouTube channel. You know, he works for SkyWatch TV.
Speaker 1: That man always responds to emails, That man always says
Speaker 1: yes to coming on shows, and that you know, I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of these guys are that we've dealt with.
Speaker 1: They're just very humble, and I love that about them
Speaker 1: because there's been several you know, podcasters and other authors
Speaker 1: that I've reached out to and tried to you know,
Speaker 1: work with and ask him to come on the show,
Speaker 1: and they just either not respond at all, or oh,
Speaker 1: I'm too busy, my schedule's too busy. But then you'll
Speaker 1: see him on other podcasts and stuff. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: hi hat you, and it's like, man, if you ain't
Speaker 1: got time, you know whatever, just but don't just ignore
Speaker 1: people and act like you're just too good, you know,
Speaker 1: because if anybody had that luxury, it'd be like Derek
Speaker 1: Gilbert and Peterson some of these guys that are just
Speaker 1: so humble, you know.
Speaker 4: Well, Alberreno La Marzouli. You go down the list, all
Speaker 4: these guys that we've that uh and girls. Vicky Joy
Speaker 4: Anderson was another one of my favorites that we got.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't have to get to be with us that time,
Speaker 4: and we had the craziest computer issues and everything happened
Speaker 4: that night, and I surprised it was. It was like
Speaker 4: there was somebody that did not want that information to
Speaker 4: get out, and I tell you that was her information. Her.
Speaker 4: Now all those things, everybody has been so gracious, like
Speaker 4: you said, so humble and yet just so knowledgeable, and
Speaker 4: it has changed me. It sculpted me to understand scripture better,
Speaker 4: to to dive in better. But all these people have
Speaker 4: brought something different to the table. I've, like I said,
Speaker 4: I've loved every single one of them, and I loved
Speaker 4: having them as part of like Tom Dunne and then
Speaker 4: Ryan Peterson again for the you know, coming on, Brian Goodawah,
Speaker 4: working with us on the the Bible, the Bible Study,
Speaker 4: having them as part of that. Jud Burton, who can
Speaker 4: you can never leave jud Burton not. The knowledge that
Speaker 4: guy has is unbelievable. You go down that whole list,
Speaker 4: there's just so many great resources and great down to
Speaker 4: earth people that you know, if you reach out, they'll
Speaker 4: answer your questions. They want to talk to somebody, you know,
Speaker 4: George Carneil is like, email me if you have questions,
Speaker 4: email me, talk to me. Like it's just everybody has
Speaker 4: been so gracious, so humble, and they're doing God's work.
Speaker 4: And that's the whole point is that. And I think
Speaker 4: that that the majority of people in this space, you know,
Speaker 4: like you said, Trey, and and these other people that
Speaker 4: we that we've talked to are truly they know this
Speaker 4: is their place. They know that their work is to
Speaker 4: further you know, the Great Commission in the long run,
Speaker 4: and and and going along this track that we've been
Speaker 4: with them on, and and and pushing, you know, just
Speaker 4: all these different this information and knowledge that is stuff
Speaker 4: that you know, a lot of people don't dig for themselves,
Speaker 4: and they need to be spoon fed a little bit.
Speaker 4: And I think the whole goal that we set out
Speaker 4: for was to get people past the spoon feeding, give
Speaker 4: them a taste, remember, get into the meat and potatoes.
Speaker 4: I think we talked about that way back in the beginning.
Speaker 4: We're past the milk, We're going in the meat and potatoes.
Speaker 4: So I think that it's just such a cool thing
Speaker 4: to be a part of, to get to talk to
Speaker 4: some of these people that I just I never in
Speaker 4: my wildest dreams what I think we would have ever
Speaker 4: had the chance to do.
Speaker 1: I like how Vika Joey Anderson said in our anniversary
Speaker 1: show that we've done. She said, the great commission wasn't
Speaker 1: to go out and make subscribers. It was to make disciples,
Speaker 1: she said. And I pray that the listeners of today
Speaker 1: are the disciples of tomorrow, because you do. You got
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, even in this sir
Speaker 1: that we're in, they're just trying to build subscribers and
Speaker 1: stat cash that that ain't what we're supposed to be
Speaker 1: doing here.
Speaker 2: Nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 1: Anyways, back at up, let's open up prayer and we'll
Speaker 1: get into this week's episode, Astrology and Astronomy in the Bible.
Speaker 1: I guess this will be part two. Who prayed last time?
Speaker 1: I did? Didn't I? Yeah, it's one of you two's turn.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: Dear Lord, thank you for everything you've given us. Thank
Speaker 4: you for letting us have this opportunity and the gifts
Speaker 4: and the blessings that you have, that that we get
Speaker 4: to do something like this to help spread your word,
Speaker 4: to try to reach just that one more person, you know,
Speaker 4: empty empty out hell and populate heaven. If you can continue, please,
Speaker 4: if it's your will, keep continuing to bless this and
Speaker 4: reach the people that you needed to reach. Lord, and
Speaker 4: then your name, we pray Amen.
Speaker 1: Amen. So astrology and astronomy in the Bible. We talked
Speaker 1: about how the story of salvation was written in the
Speaker 1: stars last time, So this time we're just going to
Speaker 1: go into instances where we see that in our cannon
Speaker 1: in the Bible, and you don't have to go very far.
Speaker 1: You get into Genesis, chapter one and verse fourteen. You know,
Speaker 1: God said, let there be lights in the expanse of
Speaker 1: the heavens, to separate the day from the night, and
Speaker 1: let them be for signs and for seasons and for
Speaker 1: days and for years. You know. Scripture tells us that
Speaker 1: the stars were created as signs and seasons, days and years.
Speaker 1: It's a perfect clock or calendar. The sun's the hour hand,
Speaker 1: the moon is the day of the month, and the
Speaker 1: constellations for the seasons. So even in the beginning we're
Speaker 1: told that the stars and the moon. All those were
Speaker 1: put in the heavens for signs and for seasons. Acts
Speaker 1: Chapter two nineteen says, I will show wonders in heaven
Speaker 1: above talking about the signs. Psalms nineteen two through one.
Speaker 1: The heavens declare the glory of God. Day today it
Speaker 1: pours out speech and night tonight reveals knowledge. You know,
Speaker 1: the ancients have been mapping and looking to the heavens
Speaker 1: since the beginning of time. They're finding ancient architecture aligning
Speaker 1: with the stars as far back as go Beckley Tepe
Speaker 1: and we talked about that with the Aaron Judkins, you know,
Speaker 1: with these were supposed to be the stupid cave men
Speaker 1: hunter gatherers, but history tells quite a different, you know story.
Speaker 1: Isaiah forty seven thirteen says, those who divide the heavens
Speaker 1: who gaze at the stars, you know, somewhere along the line,
Speaker 1: and we've hinted around this on other episodes, but somewhere
Speaker 1: along the line, this intent knowledge was perverted, you know.
Speaker 1: Romans one twenty five. They traded the truth for a
Speaker 1: lie and worship the created things instead of the Creator.
Speaker 1: But it says in Acts seven four to two, but
Speaker 1: God turned away and gave them over to the worship
Speaker 1: of the host of heaven. You know, here we got
Speaker 1: the Tower of Bible. You know, they were chasing after
Speaker 1: these other gods and stuff, so God just turned them
Speaker 1: over to the will of their hearts and they worshiped
Speaker 1: the stars of heaven. But you know we have before that,
Speaker 1: you know, its Genesis six, and that's where you know,
Speaker 1: I believe that the knowledge was perverted. It was you know,
Speaker 1: it was talked about in creation. But then these fallen
Speaker 1: angels came down and it says in the Book of
Speaker 1: Enoch that they trained them in the art of astrology,
Speaker 1: you know, mathematics, war, you know, even beautification of the eyelids,
Speaker 1: and even abortion. So they ended up twisted a created
Speaker 1: thing and told them that they were to be worshiped
Speaker 1: and they were gods. You guys, think of anything that
Speaker 1: stands up the top of your head as far as astrology,
Speaker 1: astronomy in the Bible.
Speaker 4: Is exactly what you just said. Is The part that
Speaker 4: that always blows me away is that you can walk
Speaker 4: into a you know, a grocery store and get your
Speaker 4: zodiac and and it'll tell you, you know, all the different
Speaker 4: things that the stars tell you based on hercules, and
Speaker 4: you know, and and and things like this, and the
Speaker 4: stars that that are perversions of God's creation. And and
Speaker 4: to think that, you know, if you truly think about this,
Speaker 4: God created those things. He didn't create those things so
Speaker 4: you could turn them into a novelty. You know, a
Speaker 4: fortune cookie, you know, a little little message it says, oh,
Speaker 4: you'll have plenty of money because you're in aries, or
Speaker 4: all these kind of things.
Speaker 3: I have a question, does do they always say Do
Speaker 3: they ever say you're gonna have a horrible day today,
Speaker 3: you better watch out, don't spend no money? Or is
Speaker 3: it always good stuff? I don't because I don't ever
Speaker 3: look at it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I do remember look, you know, when I was younger,
Speaker 1: in my heathen years, I look just kind of look
Speaker 1: at that stuff. But it said, I remember seeing stuff
Speaker 1: like like it'll have vague stuff like you'll say, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: the such and such star is in this constellation at
Speaker 1: this time. This is not a good omen for you,
Speaker 1: So at this time, don't make any major investments, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's not your time, you know, And little stuff
Speaker 1: like that, you know.
Speaker 2: That's.
Speaker 1: That's all the witches and stuff. Do they get really
Speaker 1: vague stuff.
Speaker 3: That just made me think about I was listening to
Speaker 3: I believe it was Skip Isaac the other day and
Speaker 3: one of his I can't remember which books it is,
Speaker 3: but it's like Daniel, I guess probably where Daniel. They
Speaker 3: the king has his little dream and you can't remember
Speaker 3: his dream. So he sends, you know, bring me all
Speaker 3: these people. Yeah, tell me what my dream is and
Speaker 3: what does it mean?
Speaker 1: Daniel out of prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, they're like, well, well, you have to tell us
Speaker 3: your dream so we can interpret it. He says, no,
Speaker 3: I don't remember my dream.
Speaker 2: If you're these seers, well he remembered.
Speaker 1: He just told them, if you're truly a seer, then
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you.
Speaker 2: Well either way, yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, tell me, tell me what I dreamed and
Speaker 3: what does it mean?
Speaker 2: And they couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: They said, well, no person on earth can do, you know,
Speaker 3: tell the future. And it's the same, the same thing, like,
Speaker 3: look you're looking at them stars. Is it going to
Speaker 3: tell you that, hey, tomorrow you play these numbers on
Speaker 3: the wattery and you're gonna win big.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that that's the point though, as you
Speaker 4: just said it, I think you hit that nail and
Speaker 4: the head. No person on earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah do that.
Speaker 4: However, go to acts and we talk about Paul and
Speaker 4: that that slave, but just talked about that. We just
Speaker 4: talked about that that girl could tell the future. But
Speaker 4: it's not. It's not her that's telling the future. It
Speaker 4: was the demon inside her. So no one of this earth.
Speaker 4: But you still see that that that these these some
Speaker 4: of these at least some of these demonic entities, fallen angels,
Speaker 4: whatever is possessing her, has ability for some limited foresight
Speaker 4: to some degree, because it was they were making him
Speaker 4: tons of money. She was making the owner's tons of money.
Speaker 3: Obviously, Also it can also be foresight of the of
Speaker 3: the fact of the demons in that region and and
Speaker 3: say say say, you know, hey, tomorrow, if you don't
Speaker 3: if you don't pay me, if you don't give the
Speaker 3: king twenty thousand dollars tomorrow, your dad's gonna die. They
Speaker 3: just the guy goes off and offs his dad because
Speaker 3: he didn't give them twenty thousand.
Speaker 1: You know, with the real superstitious people back then, I
Speaker 1: mean they were breading the blood, how it flowed, and
Speaker 1: you know, all this different stuff back then.
Speaker 3: No, I'm glad you don't believe in that though, No,
Speaker 3: that's stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I guess one I want to talk about,
Speaker 1: and we we've touched on it with Derreck Gilbert was
Speaker 1: Isaiah fourteen and then Ezekiel twenty eight. You know, so
Speaker 1: now that we got kind of got a little bit
Speaker 1: of a groundwork laid, but said that Satan himself was
Speaker 1: said to have walked amongst the stones of fire in
Speaker 1: Ezekiel twenty eight. You know, to me, that stands out
Speaker 1: as the stars and the planets because they, you know,
Speaker 1: they're associated with celestial beings anyway, you know, Mercury, Jupiter,
Speaker 1: Zoo's areas for you know, Mars, just all these different
Speaker 1: gods were associated with these planets anyway, and it talked
Speaker 1: about where Satan walked amongst the stones of fire. But
Speaker 1: Isaiah fourteen, the famous Lucifer passage, you know, refers to
Speaker 1: the planet Venus. You know, it's not Satan, it's a
Speaker 1: proper name. We recently released that Derek Gilbert show. If
Speaker 1: you saint checked that out, check that out. But it's
Speaker 1: really good. But it's a mistranslation from the Latin Vulgate
Speaker 1: where the original Greek word was here for us, which
Speaker 1: means light bringer. You know, it was the brightest star
Speaker 1: in the sky just before the sun rise. But you
Speaker 1: know this entity, whether it was Satan himself or Shimjasa,
Speaker 1: you know, as Derek talked about, this planet was aligned
Speaker 1: with the entity that rebelled against God. And Isaiah fourteen
Speaker 1: thirty three. You know you said in your heart, I
Speaker 1: will ascend to heaven above the stars of God, you know,
Speaker 1: aka the Divine Assembly, the Divine Council. You know Psalms
Speaker 1: one eight one through four. Praise Him from the heavens,
Speaker 1: Praise him Sun and the moon, Praise him. All you
Speaker 1: shining stars, you know, the ones in the Divine Council
Speaker 1: who rebeled that will be judged. You know that we
Speaker 1: see many times that stars language is equated to heavenly
Speaker 1: beings in the Bible.
Speaker 4: Like in job Man the Morning Stars saying for joy.
Speaker 4: You know at creation when you know God laid the
Speaker 4: foundations of the earth. So yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 4: pretty rife through there.
Speaker 1: And then you even have judgment of these celestial beings
Speaker 1: in your scripture. Matthew twenty four twenty nine, Sun, moon
Speaker 1: and stars will fall from heaven and the powers of
Speaker 1: heaven will be shaken. You know, we talked about this
Speaker 1: in the last episode where you're talking about Written in
Speaker 1: the Stars, Job thirty eight, thirty one through thirty three.
Speaker 1: Can you bind the chains of ple eighties or loose
Speaker 1: in the court of Orion? Can you lead forth the
Speaker 1: Mazarath in their season? Can you guide the Bear with
Speaker 1: its children? Do you know the ordinances of Heaven? Can
Speaker 1: you establish their rule on earth? You know this is
Speaker 1: Joe those book in the Bible, But the last line
Speaker 1: tells me that the Tower of Babel had already happened.
Speaker 1: That whole passage was mentioning heavenly bodies in their constellations.
Speaker 1: I never noticed that till I was doing this stab.
Speaker 5: If the fallen angels gave us the knowledge of the
Speaker 5: stars and whatnot, then I guess that would make sense
Speaker 5: Joe would be after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's already naming them by name.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know that's God talking to Job.
Speaker 1: Right, but I'm just saying. I mean, if he's telling
Speaker 1: him that, then he already was about it. He's talking
Speaker 1: to him like, you know, where were you when I'd
Speaker 1: done this and done that? So like the way I
Speaker 1: understood it anyway. It was like Joe was already well
Speaker 1: aware of it because God was talking to him about it,
Speaker 1: like he already knew.
Speaker 4: That makes me wonder, though, it does would they you know,
Speaker 4: if we go back to Genesis and we look at
Speaker 4: God talks about you know, you know that Adam named
Speaker 4: the animals and name these things and and had you know,
Speaker 4: dominion on earth. I guess you know, we said that
Speaker 4: until later on when that's given to Satan through sin.
Speaker 1: We traded, we traded.
Speaker 4: But that makes me wonder if that's something that God
Speaker 4: imparted the knowledge of the And it's not in the Bible,
Speaker 4: so it's just me conjecture. But did everybody did they
Speaker 4: know that from day one? Did God tell Adam?
Speaker 2: And not day one?
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, did God sit down
Speaker 4: when they were walking through the garden they go out
Speaker 4: at night and they're starting to say, say, look at
Speaker 4: this is my promise, you know, or maybe after the
Speaker 4: fall because that's when the the prophecy of the you know,
Speaker 4: Genesis three fifteen, which is written in the stars all
Speaker 4: over the place. Did he let him know that, look
Speaker 4: at this is a sign of my covenant with you.
Speaker 4: We said this but look, I haven't written here because
Speaker 4: I knew this was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just an idea.
Speaker 3: And that possibly could be because it says they were
Speaker 3: they taught us the workings of the stars or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, so so their courses.
Speaker 3: And yeah, well we might not have known the courses.
Speaker 3: We just you know, God might just said, hey, this
Speaker 3: is what this is and and kind of let it be.
Speaker 3: And then the angels that that you know, come down,
Speaker 3: the fallen angels kind of went into more detail, told
Speaker 3: us stuff that God didn't want us to know at
Speaker 3: the time I lost the bill. I mean, no, obviously
Speaker 3: we don't know, but I could see it that way.
Speaker 4: Also, I think that'd be a good question for Derek
Speaker 4: right there.
Speaker 1: It would be write that down.
Speaker 2: Hey, if you're listening, Derek, let us know.
Speaker 3: Email us just called justin just make it easy, which
Speaker 3: have pin pals.
Speaker 1: Which I shared this on the Facebook community, but I
Speaker 1: don't think we've actually went in depth and talked about it.
Speaker 1: But so, if you're not a member of the Facebook community,
Speaker 1: just got fau mode?
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Fear of missing out? Fair enough? I don't know that
Speaker 1: it must be there was a schism in that that
Speaker 1: joke there.
Speaker 4: I'm older than both you guys.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, he's got kids that are ye see, my kids
Speaker 3: are too young to be bringing out home. Maybe maybe
Speaker 3: that's like a new lingo, like how we had fat
Speaker 3: back in the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll make it still, I'll make it more palatable
Speaker 1: for you. Wrong, fat, I'll make it more palable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the Israelite camp in Genesis forty nine, we all
Speaker 1: know about the when they he called him out and
Speaker 1: he told him, you know, give them specific instructions on
Speaker 1: how to lay their camp out and all that stuff. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: there was astronomical things tied into that as well. But
Speaker 1: when they were willed, when they were in the wilderness
Speaker 1: for forty years, you know, this was on earth as
Speaker 1: it is in heaven mirrored image. And we talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about that, I think on that episode me
Speaker 1: and you was talking about and how that it was
Speaker 1: laid out as a big cross. It was a moving
Speaker 1: cross on the floor of the desert, you know, with
Speaker 1: the holiest of holies in the center.
Speaker 3: But what's crazy is that that's kind of how the
Speaker 3: new the gates of Heaven or something's going to be
Speaker 3: laid out.
Speaker 2: Well, so we get to something something revelations.
Speaker 1: That, oh, the twelve twelve Gates. Yeah, but see, let's
Speaker 1: see we if we back up from there to Genesis
Speaker 1: forty nine, that's the blessings of Jacob to his children.
Speaker 1: But it says out there there was twelve tribes, and
Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about, the twelve tribes and twelve
Speaker 1: Gates of Israel. But if you read the blessings in
Speaker 1: that chapter, Judah was referred to as a lion, and
Speaker 1: Reuben was referred to as a man with water. Ephraim,
Speaker 1: which is Joseph in the Jewish targums, was referred to
Speaker 1: as a bull or an ox, and Dan was associated
Speaker 1: with the serpent. Well, these are all astrological constellations. So
Speaker 1: these are the constellations in the heavens lee the lion,
Speaker 1: the man with water, Aquarius, the bull, the oxes Taurus,
Speaker 1: and the serpent eagle is Scorpio. You know, these are
Speaker 1: the four cardinal points of the Babylonian zodiac, or the
Speaker 1: Mazarath as they referred to in the Book of Job.
Speaker 1: But we just talked about. But keep those in mind
Speaker 1: as we read God's instruction to the Israelite camp in
Speaker 1: numbers chapter two, verse three, Judah was to the east,
Speaker 1: Verse ten, Reuben was to the south, Verse eighteen Ephrium
Speaker 1: was to the west, and then verse twenty five Dan
Speaker 1: was to the north. You know, I'd already knew that
Speaker 1: this was a giant moving cross, you know, back in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve with one of Trey Smith's videos, but with
Speaker 1: the Levites in the center at the holiest of holies
Speaker 1: where the presence of God rested were on the day
Speaker 1: of Atonement, they would sprinkle the blood the sacrifice on
Speaker 1: the arc at the center. So this was a huge
Speaker 1: cross with them sprinkling blood in the center of the
Speaker 1: cross on the day of Atonement, saying the hidden name
Speaker 1: of God, which was Jodhvovy, which means behold the hand,
Speaker 1: behold the nail. I mean, that's already just mind blowsing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I never realized the astronomical stuff until Doug van
Speaker 1: Dorn pointed it out. You know, these are the four
Speaker 1: tribes listed that were on the outside of the four
Speaker 1: points of the camp that their father aligned them with
Speaker 1: animals that were constellations that align perfectly like a mirrored
Speaker 1: image of the heavens of the four cardinal points of
Speaker 1: the zodiac. So it was this huge moving cross with
Speaker 1: those four tribes at the four corners of that mirroring heaven.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty wild.
Speaker 4: It's it's those same things. And who was it, Who
Speaker 4: was it that said that that? I think it was
Speaker 4: when it was Doctor Heizer always said that there's always
Speaker 4: at least two meanings right when you see something when
Speaker 4: you're reading through, like, there's usually something else. There's always
Speaker 4: the superficial, and then there's at least some at least
Speaker 4: one other layer that and usually more when you go
Speaker 4: through and you look and you can see all those
Speaker 4: different things, and a lot of them were meant for
Speaker 4: us to see retrospectively, like we're not. You know a
Speaker 4: lot of those things that you can even look it through.
Speaker 4: And we were talking, we're talking about it in church today,
Speaker 4: but looking through Jesus, how many times did he tell
Speaker 4: them that he was going to die and resurrect? He
Speaker 4: told him over and over and over again, yet they
Speaker 4: couldn't see it. So it's the same thing. These things
Speaker 4: are some of these things God did. Not only was
Speaker 4: he telling them, but the whole point is that we
Speaker 4: see these things later on that helps us.
Speaker 1: See the truth strengthen our faith.
Speaker 4: It strengthen our faith. It shows us as scriptures and
Speaker 4: you can see physical things around you, parts of creation
Speaker 4: that prove what the Bible's telling you. And it just
Speaker 4: is exactly you said. Just continues to strengthen my faith
Speaker 4: and hopefully everybody else out there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Can you guys think of any other mirrored images
Speaker 1: on Earth as it is in Heaven like Temple Complex?
Speaker 1: Is there anything like that?
Speaker 4: Oh that goes there's rabbit holes for days?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well I'm just saying just off top of
Speaker 1: you he can you think of any discussion there? There's
Speaker 1: a big three, it's pretty pretty obvious.
Speaker 4: Well, go ahead and start us off.
Speaker 1: The Pyramids of Egypt lines with the belt of O'Ryan
Speaker 1: and then also the Nile that flows beside of it
Speaker 1: mirrors the milky white galaxy. It's tell me how these
Speaker 1: stupid ancient people knew this stuff, not only.
Speaker 4: That it actually you know, was considered the life blood. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, just there's you can go down and look
Speaker 4: through this. I think we went through a few other
Speaker 4: ones last time, and them like Manchu Piachu and the
Speaker 4: top of so we're talking about ancient cultures that are
Speaker 4: supposed to be, you know, fairly primitive. That obviously we're
Speaker 4: not as primitive, you know when we look at like
Speaker 4: Go Beckley, like with the Aaron Judkins. But when you
Speaker 4: look at Manchu Peachu, there's a stone at the very
Speaker 4: top that's perfectly aligned north, south, east and west, and
Speaker 4: that on the summer and the winter or yeah, the
Speaker 4: spring and the fall solstice I think it is, or
Speaker 4: summer and winter solstice, I can't remember, but they just
Speaker 4: those two days at a certain time. There's absolutely no
Speaker 4: shadow of this stone cast but this only on those
Speaker 4: two days. Like it's just on the that they were
Speaker 4: able to set these things up based on the the
Speaker 4: stars and the alignment that the knowledge that they had
Speaker 4: to possess and and and.
Speaker 2: The ability to see something.
Speaker 4: It is the that's on the I think that's the
Speaker 4: summer solstice where it rises over the like the headstone pillar.
Speaker 4: I think on the one end.
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but I know they said that for someone.
Speaker 4: But so many things were set up with the with
Speaker 4: the summer solstice, was it gil gilgal Rafaen there's the
Speaker 4: very center of that on that on that solstice the
Speaker 4: sun shines in just at that that one part right
Speaker 4: in the middle, like just at that one day year.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many places pretty much all ancient architecture.
Speaker 4: When you talk about the stuff that's still standing, that
Speaker 4: the stuff that we can see has some kind of astrological,
Speaker 4: astronomical significance to whatever their religion would have been at
Speaker 4: that time, whatever they believe. But everybody always looking to
Speaker 4: the sky, the stars and things above us, even if
Speaker 4: it wasn't necessarily from a Christian point of view, and
Speaker 4: not say Christian, but from a you know, at that point,
Speaker 4: a Hebrew Israelite, you know, from a godly point of view.
Speaker 4: A lot of times it was from those I believe,
Speaker 4: like you said, those fallen angels had distributed that knowledge
Speaker 4: and perverted it but their way of worship, but they
Speaker 4: still used it. Yeah, it's like the Serpent Mount in Ohio. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, it's built perfectly to eat the egg, which
Speaker 4: is the sun during the summer solstice on sunsetm You know,
Speaker 4: they got plenty of videos and pictures and stuff of
Speaker 4: that online you can go see.
Speaker 2: I mean, just look at Indiana Jone movies.
Speaker 4: If you have the stamp and put it in the
Speaker 4: ground on the right day, at the right time, it'll
Speaker 4: show you. Yeah, whatever to the Ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 1: But the cambodia of the Temple in Carl Watt was
Speaker 1: laid out to the constellation Draco, which is the dragon
Speaker 1: that sweeps away one third of the stars of Heaven incidentally,
Speaker 1: which we'll get to that later. But yeah, this uh,
Speaker 1: Trey Smith said in our episode this uh, this dragon
Speaker 1: seems to be branding hisself throughout the world. Keeps popping
Speaker 1: up everywhere. But we talked about with Dodtor Aaron Jenkins
Speaker 1: how they're even dating these complexes because how the tilt
Speaker 1: of the earth is changing and the northern point is,
Speaker 1: you know, the poles are slightly shifting and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and that's how they're dating these places. And uh, we
Speaker 1: even talked about with Stephen on the last episode, how
Speaker 1: uh was it you said to Draco or Hydra that
Speaker 1: was the polite was the north point at one point
Speaker 1: Draco and everything everything revolved around it.
Speaker 4: That's the same thing and that stuff that we talked
Speaker 4: about before Chichnitza with the Mayans in Mexico Spring Equinox,
Speaker 4: it shows on the side of the pyramid, the way
Speaker 4: they the way they made it, just on the spring equinox,
Speaker 4: it made a serpent that was crawling up the stairs.
Speaker 1: To eat the sacrificed heart.
Speaker 2: It was the return of the sun serpent.
Speaker 4: And then you got the Chocoal Canyon in New Mexico,
Speaker 4: which there's a lot of unique history and kind of
Speaker 4: dark history that goes along with that area. But the
Speaker 4: Pueblo people, they had all these carved images in the
Speaker 4: rocks that showed how they were tracking the seasons and
Speaker 4: the passage of time based on the stars. I mean,
Speaker 4: you see this throughout that everybody. I mean, it's just
Speaker 4: it's part of ancient culture. The stars were such a
Speaker 4: big point to the point where i mean.
Speaker 2: Use it to navigate shifts at night.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, but it's just well, i mean they
Speaker 4: still do. Yeah, I mean, well there is there is
Speaker 4: you know, GPS whatnot. But you see, you can look
Speaker 4: even you know.
Speaker 2: The sex Stent stars, I guess.
Speaker 4: The sex Stent and the different things that they used
Speaker 4: to navigate by the stars. And actually, you know there
Speaker 4: was even there's myths of the the Vikings being able
Speaker 4: to use the stars in the sky even I'm sorry
Speaker 4: that during the day with the sunstone. Yeah, where they
Speaker 4: could in a cloudy day, they could still use it
Speaker 4: and it would still be able to use this sunstone
Speaker 4: in a particular way to help them navigate even on
Speaker 4: a cloudy day, which is pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: But even in Canada, there was a kid recently that
Speaker 1: found lost Mayan cities that was buried in the jungles
Speaker 1: of South America by overlaying the constellations over a Google
Speaker 1: Earth map. Lots of the cities lined up perfectly astronomically,
Speaker 1: and he found other lost cities by feeling in the gaps.
Speaker 1: You know, how did ancient peoples, like we talked about,
Speaker 1: how did they know this? You know, they did't have
Speaker 1: telescopes and all the satellites and modern advances that we
Speaker 1: have today. You know, ancient aliens show says that they
Speaker 1: had help, you know, by an extra terrestrial. You know,
Speaker 1: all the ancient people say that they were from the stars,
Speaker 1: you know, and that these gods from the stars visited
Speaker 1: them and gave them this knowledge. You know. The Bible
Speaker 1: says that it's fallen Angels, same story, just different title.
Speaker 1: We talked about that with Timothy Alvrina. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: love how Timothy Alvarino explained it. You know, he said,
Speaker 1: you know what is an extra terrestrial. It's something advanced
Speaker 1: and not of this world. You know, God's angels, Demon
Speaker 1: Satan are not of this world. So by textbook definition,
Speaker 1: they are extraterrestrial. You know, when the sons of God,
Speaker 1: you know how they correspond with the stars and the planets.
Speaker 1: It makes a lot more sense in light of Deuteronomy
Speaker 1: thirty two worldview where the peoples were divided amongst the
Speaker 1: sons of God, and that Paul was talking about in
Speaker 1: Romans when we traded the truth for alyon worship the
Speaker 1: created things, the Creator, and if you go back to
Speaker 1: these horoscopes, you're going back under the the law or
Speaker 1: the chains of these other lower case g gods and
Speaker 1: given them influence over you.
Speaker 4: Well, it's just it's it's always been. We always said
Speaker 4: that from day one, nothing news under the sun, right,
Speaker 4: these things that have always been there, that if people
Speaker 4: have worshiped that they've gone to, it's just been repackaged.
Speaker 4: It's being sold to us a different way. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean that's that's unfortunately, it's the truth, and you can
Speaker 4: see that in so many different parts of our culture,
Speaker 4: in our society and societies around the world.
Speaker 1: But one thing I've wanted to talk about I just
Speaker 1: didn't really know when we could actually bring it up,
Speaker 1: and this is a perfect time. Was Ezekiel's vision wheels
Speaker 1: within wheels, The wheels within wheels. You know what exactly
Speaker 1: is that? That's Ezekiel thirty two. I think for Ezekiel.
Speaker 4: One or two?
Speaker 1: What do you think of Deuteronomy? Which surprisingly I don't
Speaker 1: have that written down. I figured, I guess I just
Speaker 1: thought I should remembered. I think it's Ezekiel one. Ezekiel too.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, it is Ezekiel one. You're right. I
Speaker 4: don't know what else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, when you hear about that story,
Speaker 1: you know what does it say? It says that you
Speaker 1: literally opened that right to it read it to Steve,
Speaker 1: which you're there just about the wheels within wheels part
Speaker 1: of the description of it.
Speaker 2: I mean he literally opened it right to the page.
Speaker 4: Well, some people, some people are good at sports, you know,
Speaker 4: some people.
Speaker 2: That's like, hey, we need to read that.
Speaker 4: So hold on, I'm didn't you No, Actually, the Holy
Speaker 4: Spirit did.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: As I looked, I saw a great storm coming from
Speaker 4: the north, driving before it a huge cloud that flashed
Speaker 4: like lightning, shone with a brilliant light. There was a
Speaker 4: fire inside the cloud, and in the middle of the
Speaker 4: fire glowed something gleaming like amber. From the center of
Speaker 4: the cloud came four living beings that looked like human
Speaker 4: except each had four faces and four wings. Their legs
Speaker 4: were straight, and their feet had hooves like those of
Speaker 4: a calf, and shone like burnished bronze. Under each of
Speaker 4: their four wings, I could see human hands. So each
Speaker 4: of the four beings had four faces and four wings.
Speaker 4: The wings of each living being touched the wings of
Speaker 4: the beings beside it. Each one moved straight forward in
Speaker 4: any direction without turning around. Each had a human face
Speaker 4: in the front, the face of a line on the right. Sorry,
Speaker 4: we're getting close to that. Sorry, face of line on
Speaker 4: the right, face of an ox, and the left the
Speaker 4: face of an eagle in the back. Each had two pairs
Speaker 4: of outstretched wings. One pair touched the wings the living
Speaker 4: being on either side. I'm gonna jump down a little further. Sorry.
Speaker 4: The living beings looked like bright coals of fire or
Speaker 4: brilliant torches. The lightning seemed to flash back and forth.
Speaker 4: Theung them and the living beings darted to and fro
Speaker 4: like flashes of lightning. As I looked these beings. At
Speaker 4: these beings, I saw four wheels touching the ground beside them,
Speaker 4: one wheel belonging to each. The wheels sparkled as if
Speaker 4: made of barrel. All four wheels looked alike, and they
Speaker 4: were made the same. Each wheel had a second wheel
Speaker 4: turning crosswise within it. The beings could move in any
Speaker 4: of the four directions they faced without turning. As they moved.
Speaker 4: The rims of the four wheels were tall and frightening,
Speaker 4: and they were covered with eyes all around. When the
Speaker 4: living beings moved, the wheels moved with them. When they
Speaker 4: flew upward, the wheels went up too. The spirit of
Speaker 4: the living beings was in the wheels. So wherever the
Speaker 4: spirit went, the wheels and the living beings went also.
Speaker 4: When the beings moved, the wheels moved. When the beings stopped,
Speaker 4: the wheels stopped. When the beings flew upward, the wheels
Speaker 4: rose up. For the spirit of the living beings was
Speaker 4: in the wheels.
Speaker 1: And like you talked about, you know earlier with Mike Kaiser,
Speaker 1: something always has at least two meanings. So if you
Speaker 1: look back at. I don't know what you would the
Speaker 1: professional word for it is, but basically a pedestal that
Speaker 1: a throne set on back in the ancient times. That's
Speaker 1: what he's describing there. And when you look at a
Speaker 1: picture of it, you can look them up. It's just
Speaker 1: like a small table top and it's got wheels at
Speaker 1: the bottom of it to roll the throne around or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's got those four living creatures faces on each
Speaker 1: leg of the stool, and it talks about, you know,
Speaker 1: not turning their faces as they went because it's rolling
Speaker 1: in the rough facing out to the four corners. So
Speaker 1: they're talking realistically about a throne. And he talked about
Speaker 1: how in that event there he's describing that the throne
Speaker 1: of God or the presence of God was leaving the temple,
Speaker 1: that it was showing the people that you know, they
Speaker 1: defiled the name of God and rebelled, and that his
Speaker 1: presence was now leaving them. But there's always a deeper meaning,
Speaker 1: you know, or esoteric meaning, and when you go with
Speaker 1: the the other side of that, I think it's you know, astronomical.
Speaker 1: On talking about the constellations, and Mike Kyser also talked
Speaker 1: about that, but just a little background of all that
Speaker 1: before we get in. I also have to read this,
Speaker 1: and this kind of lengthy, and I apologize, but you know,
Speaker 1: all the stars are fixed. They take the same course
Speaker 1: across the heavens night after night. They don't deviate out
Speaker 1: of God's will slash plan for them. But there are
Speaker 1: seven planets that do as thou wilt, and quote unquote wander.
Speaker 1: As Jude puts it, Jude one thirteen says, wild waves
Speaker 1: of the sea, casting up the foam with their own shame,
Speaker 1: wandering stars for whom the gloom of utter darkness has
Speaker 1: been reserved. You know, this passage is clearly talking about
Speaker 1: the genesis six fallen Angels, where the Book of Enoch,
Speaker 1: which Jude directly quotes several times, specifically says that they
Speaker 1: were put in chains of gloomy darkness. The context of
Speaker 1: the passage is about the false teachers that led the
Speaker 1: people astray, much like the fallen angels did. But these
Speaker 1: planets slash wandering stars are all named after pagan deities Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn,
Speaker 1: and Sun and the moon. You know, seven is a
Speaker 1: divine number symbolizing completeness. You know, we have seven spirits
Speaker 1: of God, seven days of creation, seven planets, Enoch who
Speaker 1: was the seventh from Adam, seven archangels. You know, even
Speaker 1: in Mesopotamia they had the seven Obclu sages. You know,
Speaker 1: these quote unquote set courses is what Ezekiel is referring
Speaker 1: to in Ezekiel one in verse sixteen with his vision
Speaker 1: of the wheels within wheels. You know, it is the
Speaker 1: stars and their set paths. You know, this entire vision
Speaker 1: is celestial. You know, even the four living creatures we
Speaker 1: discussed earlier with the Israelite camp, we know that those
Speaker 1: four faces are the four cardinal points of the Babylonian zodiac.
Speaker 1: You know, this vision is similar to the vision John
Speaker 1: gets in Revelation. You know, it shows God sitting on
Speaker 1: his throne at the center of our universe, surrounded by
Speaker 1: the four cardinal points, the zodiacs of the heavens. Inside
Speaker 1: of these are wheels within wheels, the stars and their
Speaker 1: predetermined paths or highways in heaven. You know, God is
Speaker 1: showing that he is in control and at the center
Speaker 1: of all time, space and matter, surrounded by his divine council,
Speaker 1: who are compared to as stars. Even the word eyes
Speaker 1: used in this context says these wheels were full of eyes.
Speaker 1: In verse eighteen, that Hebrew word is iyon. Here's an
Speaker 1: exerpt from the article from the late great doctor Michael
Speaker 1: Heiser off of his blog. The one thing I think
Speaker 1: most noteworthy about all this is the eyes. And Ezekiel one,
Speaker 1: we read that the wheels were full of eyes. What
Speaker 1: does that have to do with the zodiac or astrology? Simple?
Speaker 1: The Hebrew word for eyes is ion. This is the
Speaker 1: normal word for the body part through which we see.
Speaker 1: The same word is also used by Ezekiel no less
Speaker 1: in the same chapter to describe sparkling or gleaming in
Speaker 1: Ezekiel one four and also one sixteen. He said, here's
Speaker 1: a suggestion. Eyes should be understood in Ezekiel one and
Speaker 1: Ezekiel ten as stars sparkling things. This fits amazingly well
Speaker 1: with chapter ten, since they're both the creatures and the
Speaker 1: wheels gave or I'm sorry, the wheels have the eyes.
Speaker 1: You get it. Creatures, the cardinal points of the zodiac,
Speaker 1: the creatures having eyes, stars in them. What creatures have
Speaker 1: stars in them? The ones you see in the sky,
Speaker 1: the signs of the zodiac, And for kickers. This is
Speaker 1: also what the apostle John says he saw in Revelation
Speaker 1: four through five when he looked up to the heavens
Speaker 1: animals with stars in them. You know, with modern cameras,
Speaker 1: we can fix the camera towards a set star at
Speaker 1: the north star and do a time lapse video at
Speaker 1: easily see these same wheels within wheels.
Speaker 4: That's nuts when you think about it. My dad used
Speaker 4: to do that kind of My dad used to kind
Speaker 4: of do that photography all the time. Those those time
Speaker 4: lapse photos are the coolest things that you've ever seen.
Speaker 4: And you get that fixed center point and everything spins
Speaker 4: around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 4: It just looks exactly like you're saying, it's just them
Speaker 4: wheel within a wheel within a wheel within a wheel.
Speaker 4: But that's actually pretty interesting. And going back a little
Speaker 4: bit further, even when you're talking about the seven and
Speaker 4: being that sacred, I think it's funny too, well, not funny,
Speaker 4: I just another ironic thing when we talk about isn't
Speaker 4: it ironic?
Speaker 3: It's somewhere it talks about wings having eyes all over it.
Speaker 1: We said the creatures had wings, and it said that
Speaker 1: the eyes were all about were all over them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that, but that.
Speaker 2: Was in revelation though I think, yeah, four through.
Speaker 4: Five, it's yeah, but but it's we go back to
Speaker 4: job and we talk about one of the two constellations
Speaker 4: that that you hear him talk about there is Orion,
Speaker 4: which he brings up Orion's belt, and he brings up
Speaker 4: the Pleiades, which it's you know, plead is what they're
Speaker 4: referred to very commonly as the seven Sisters. Once again,
Speaker 4: seven stars, the seven Sisters. You're seeing that same replication
Speaker 4: of those of that that number seven, even though it's
Speaker 4: been changed to mean something different now in modern astrology
Speaker 4: or even astronomy for that matter.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be worth corrupting first exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they wouldn't mess with it if it wasn't worth,
Speaker 4: you know, messing up.
Speaker 1: Which uh I got the Birth of Christ on here.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should go into that or not.
Speaker 4: That's I mean, we did a little bit of that
Speaker 4: with the last time. But I mean, if it's part
Speaker 4: of the process.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's it's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 4: But like I said, I mean, the birth of Christ
Speaker 4: is kind of he's got a big deal. He's got
Speaker 4: many leather bond books. Yeah, he knows he knows Merle Olsen.
Speaker 4: You guys remember that movie.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, you're showing your age.
Speaker 4: Nothing, that's Anchorman.
Speaker 1: Never mind, I take that back.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: didn't catch But if we start with the like the
Speaker 1: birth of Christ, let's start with the wise men. You know,
Speaker 1: Matthew two. We're told they see the stars or they
Speaker 1: see a star that tells them that the king was born.
Speaker 1: You know, it says that they were from the east.
Speaker 1: You know, in esoteric movements, you know, the sun rises
Speaker 1: in the east, and that's said where wisdom comes from. Uh.
Speaker 1: But they quoted the prophecy from Micah five to two.
Speaker 1: These wise men were from Babylon. You know. These were
Speaker 1: the sages and astrologers. They knew the scriptures of the
Speaker 1: coming Messiah because they held the Jewish people in captivity
Speaker 1: there for many years and were exposed to their prophets
Speaker 1: and their writings. Daniel was one of the chief sages
Speaker 1: there while in captivity, and we talked about him a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, but he interpreted dreams for the king
Speaker 1: and was exalted to a very high position. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he shared his knowledge of the prophecies and the stars
Speaker 1: in heaven that YAHWEH placed there for signs and for
Speaker 1: seasons and wrote them down for them. Nobody knew and
Speaker 1: studied the heavens any better than these guys. This was
Speaker 1: no single star that led them to the Christ. This
Speaker 1: was something they saw coming way ahead of time and
Speaker 1: set out looking. This was a set of constellations and
Speaker 1: signs in the heavens that led them out, leading them.
Speaker 1: They knew the town because of the prophecies. We broke
Speaker 1: this down very well in a two part episode on
Speaker 1: our podcast called Jesus of Nazareth Part one, but it
Speaker 1: covers the birth of and all the astronomical stuff. But
Speaker 1: some great books on this subject is doctor Michael Heizer's
Speaker 1: Reversing Hormone, The Star that Astonished the World by Ernest Martin,
Speaker 1: and Witness of the Stars by E. W. Bullinger, which
Speaker 1: you touched on it on the last episode. But the
Speaker 1: Book of Revelation in chapter twelve is what they say,
Speaker 1: or I'm sorry. The Book of Revelation in chapter twelve
Speaker 1: is what they saw in the heavens and that led
Speaker 1: them to look for his birth. Revelation twelve one through five,
Speaker 1: And a great sign appeared in heaven, and a woman
Speaker 1: clothed in the sun and the moon under her feet,
Speaker 1: and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She
Speaker 1: was pregnant and crying out in birth pains, in the
Speaker 1: agony of giving birth. And another sign in heaven appeared.
Speaker 1: Behold a great red dragon with seven heads and ten horns,
Speaker 1: and on its head seven diadems. His tail swept down
Speaker 1: on one third of the stars of heaven and cast
Speaker 1: them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the
Speaker 1: woman who was about to give birth, so that when
Speaker 1: she bore her child, he might devour it. She gave
Speaker 1: birth to a male child, one who was to rule
Speaker 1: the nations with the iron or the iron rod. But
Speaker 1: her child was caught up to God and to his throne.
Speaker 1: You know, John was caught up to heaven and back
Speaker 1: in time, and he's seen these events from heaven. This
Speaker 1: verse clearly says that he saw these signs in heaven,
Speaker 1: so you know these were astronomical. Number one, he saw
Speaker 1: the sign in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, sorry, he's saying, go on with it. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the constellation Virgo so these wise men saw
Speaker 1: Virgo with the sun placed inside the constellation. The sun
Speaker 1: would have to be located between one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: and one hundred and seventy degrees along the ecliptic. This
Speaker 1: clothing of the sun in Virgo occurs for a twenty
Speaker 1: day period each year. This twenty degree spread could indicate
Speaker 1: the general time when Jesus was born. But the moon
Speaker 1: was also at her feet. This really narrows that window.
Speaker 1: Next thing they looked for was a crown of twelve
Speaker 1: stars on her head. This is the constellation Leo, and
Speaker 1: it has exactly twelve stars in it. It is also
Speaker 1: known for royalty, the King of the Jungle, and Christ
Speaker 1: was also known as the lion of the tribe of Judah.
Speaker 2: It's more he's got to ed it out. That's his
Speaker 2: own doing.
Speaker 1: We were talking about that. Yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 2: Whatever, put it up.
Speaker 4: You want to do.
Speaker 2: Sweet, you can't put it up, you get to take
Speaker 2: it out of the book. Oh we don't want to
Speaker 2: do that, dude, I don't care. I think that's awesome.
Speaker 4: That's huge. It goes like twenty feet. You go around
Speaker 4: the whole frequent here.
Speaker 1: Twice. All right, I'll.
Speaker 4: Give meself more work to do.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Steve, you're good man. Sorry I was late.
Speaker 4: We're just gonna get back in the groove.
Speaker 1: Groove that's right now, get behind these satan unfortunately, man,
Speaker 1: job safe.
Speaker 4: What you twice as much to make out for me?
Speaker 1: There There ain't no way there.
Speaker 2: Go o K. Guys, though I can't talk Yankee. They
Speaker 2: can't even try that sound we're gay.
Speaker 1: That was bud light drinker.
Speaker 2: Anyways, slam the door.
Speaker 1: But the next sign they had to look for was
Speaker 1: a great red dragon standing before her, waiting to devour
Speaker 1: the child. This is the constellation Hydra. The color red
Speaker 1: locates it in the southern sky. It sweeps away one
Speaker 1: third of the stars points to a location near his
Speaker 1: tail that is generally lacking in stars. But right above
Speaker 1: Hydra is the constellation Choraxe, which is the Raven and
Speaker 1: then Crater, which have seven and ten stars Koraks with seven.
Speaker 1: The number of the heads lies close to Virgo just
Speaker 1: beneath it. You know, since people have been mapping the
Speaker 1: stars since the dawn of time, and we know these
Speaker 1: heavenly bodies run the same course night after night, year
Speaker 1: after year, like a perfect clock. With our modern computers
Speaker 1: and software, we can rewind the hands of that clock
Speaker 1: to pinpoint dates. Astronomically. All these events happening at the
Speaker 1: same time gives us a very narrow window. But like
Speaker 1: I said earlier, the moon being at her feet really
Speaker 1: narrows that already small window. It's roughly a nine minute
Speaker 1: window to astronomically pinpoint the birth of Jesus Christ. When
Speaker 1: we load all this information into an astrological software, we
Speaker 1: come up with the date of September the eleventh, three BC.
Speaker 1: That would put Mary's encounter with the Angel of the
Speaker 1: Lord during Hanukkah, the Festival of Lights. So how fitting,
Speaker 1: the Light of the world was announced at the Festival
Speaker 1: of Lights, placing his berth during the Feast of Tabernacles,
Speaker 1: a week long feast where the Jewish people dwelt intense
Speaker 1: to remember the day of Exodus, when God tabernacled and
Speaker 1: dwelled with his people. Only this time he was physically
Speaker 1: dwelling amongst them.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't care how many times I read that or
Speaker 1: talk about that. That just makes the hair on your
Speaker 1: arms stand up. You know, it's just amazing, and it does.
Speaker 1: It just draws you closer to God like.
Speaker 2: You can't make this up.
Speaker 1: No, man, It's written in the stars.
Speaker 2: It's wild.
Speaker 1: But I also have the crux and the Cross, and
Speaker 1: we touched on that a little bit in our last episod.
Speaker 1: But just for silly giggles. In case I missed anything,
Speaker 1: we'll just go over real quick. But another interesting correlation
Speaker 1: with Jesus and the sun. You know, Jesus started his
Speaker 1: ministry at the age of thirty and he died at
Speaker 1: age thirty three. The sun is at its zenith, which
Speaker 1: means its highest point at thirty degrees on the ecliptic.
Speaker 1: It starts its descent or basically its death, at thirty
Speaker 1: three degrees. The summer solstice is the shortest day of
Speaker 1: the year. During this time, the sun halts its southward
Speaker 1: movement in the constellation of the crux and Cross. There
Speaker 1: it appears to hold still for three days, then begins.
Speaker 1: It's a scent northward again to the right hemisphere, the
Speaker 1: right hand of the throne of God. Many mystery religions
Speaker 1: use many correlations with Jesus and the Sun and try
Speaker 1: to show that it's a copy or a retelling of
Speaker 1: an already universal truth. You know. That's why a lot
Speaker 1: of the mystery religions and occults, you know, hate Christianity
Speaker 1: so much they believe it to be a perversion of
Speaker 1: their truth. But even though the Bible tells us in
Speaker 1: the very first chapter that God put the stars in
Speaker 1: the heavens for signs and for seasons. Acts two, nineteen,
Speaker 1: I will show you wonders in heaven above Psalms nineteen
Speaker 1: one two. The heavens declare the glory of God. Day
Speaker 1: to day. It pours out speech and night. The night
Speaker 1: reveals knowledge. As we seen above, the heavens declared the
Speaker 1: coming of Christ. The perversion came from the fallen angels
Speaker 1: that told you that the power was in these created
Speaker 1: things and not the creator. Paul said, we traded the
Speaker 1: truth for a lie. So Acts seven, verse forty two.
Speaker 1: God turned us away and gave us over to worship
Speaker 1: the host of heaven. But talking about these events in
Speaker 1: the Tower of Bible Deuteronomy thirty two, through the blood
Speaker 1: of Christ, you are set free from their reign and
Speaker 1: their power to And I said this earlier. To consult
Speaker 1: these things for influence on the future is to go
Speaker 1: back into bondage. God's voice is in the stars, the
Speaker 1: zodiac the Signs and the Truths of the Bible. You know,
Speaker 1: a good book on that is Ken Fleming. But it's
Speaker 1: a great book and it breaks down all the zodiacs
Speaker 1: and their deacons. It tells how the story of Christ is,
Speaker 1: the story of Christ is Written in the Stars, and
Speaker 1: the story of Salvation. But each of these twelve signs
Speaker 1: pictorially represent the profould prophetic events to the unfolding story
Speaker 1: of Salvation in the history of the world. In that
Speaker 1: the book that he was see one's kind of talking
Speaker 1: out of it might have been one of them. I
Speaker 1: old he was talking about Written in the Stars and
Speaker 1: a couple of other ones. But yeah, that's another good one,
Speaker 1: God's Voice in the Stars, the Zodiac Signs and Bible
Speaker 1: truth Ken Fleming. But yeah, he was referencing two or
Speaker 1: three books. But that might have been one of them.
Speaker 1: But I heard Doug van Dorn talk about on a
Speaker 1: show and I thought that was pretty cool. Was he
Speaker 1: even correlated the Seven Churches of Revelation with the astronomical stuff.
Speaker 1: But he did a presentation with the SkyWatch TV on
Speaker 1: the Defender conference and he talked about how the Seven
Speaker 1: Churches starting off the Book of Revelation may have been
Speaker 1: correlated with the Seven Wandering Stars. Interestingly enough, it's almost
Speaker 1: a mere image of Ple eighties and their seven stars.
Speaker 1: Five and a half cities match up perfectly with the
Speaker 1: Ple eighties. One is barely all, but one city is
Speaker 1: just completely off. So I guess that's where he gets
Speaker 1: the half where it's five and a half of the seven.
Speaker 1: But Ephesus, the largest city in Asia Minor, the sun
Speaker 1: is the largest star. In the letter, Jesus threatens to
Speaker 1: remove their lamp stand aka their light right.
Speaker 2: Ephesis then was a big city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Samyrna, Like the moon, it waxes and wanes. Jesus
Speaker 1: talks about being the first and the last. He died
Speaker 1: and came back to life, all these things again it again,
Speaker 1: it to the moon. Pergenham corresponds with mars Ares, the
Speaker 1: god of war. Jesus mentioned a sharp, two edged sword
Speaker 1: and that he will war against them with the sword
Speaker 1: of his mouth. Thaia Tyra corresponds with Venus, the morning star,
Speaker 1: and it's flat out called the morning star. In his letter.
Speaker 1: Sardis corresponds with Mercury. He was the god of Thebes,
Speaker 1: and in that letter Jesus says to them that he
Speaker 1: would come like a thief in the night. Yeah, Philadelphia
Speaker 1: corresponds to Jupiter, the king of planets. Jesus mentions the
Speaker 1: king in his letter. He also says he holds the
Speaker 1: key of David, the king to which he was prophesied
Speaker 1: to come. And Ladyesea corresponds to Saturn, known for its
Speaker 1: sluggish movement in the sky. And the letter these people
Speaker 1: were described as luke warm and talked about their sluggishness
Speaker 1: and how inefficient that they were. You know, the context
Speaker 1: of these letters warns warns about false teachers and false messiahs.
Speaker 1: The same message of Jude when he refers to them
Speaker 1: as wandering stars. You know, my opinion is that these
Speaker 1: wandering stars which represent actual entities that influence these false
Speaker 1: teachers and world leaders today by proxy. But in Revelation
Speaker 1: you have a lot of astronomical stuff too, besides just
Speaker 1: Revelation twelve in the Seven Churches. But let's see. But
Speaker 1: in chapter one of Revelation, of verse seventeen, it mentions
Speaker 1: the one who holds the seven stars in his right hand,
Speaker 1: and how that is most likely ple eighties. When we
Speaker 1: go down to chapter four, we see a close look
Speaker 1: at the throne room of God. Isaiah forty. In verse
Speaker 1: twenty two says, God sits on his throne above the
Speaker 1: circle or firmament of the earth, its inhabitants like grasshoppers,
Speaker 1: who stretches the heaven like a curtain. I think it's
Speaker 1: funny how Isaiah knew that the universe was expanding thousands
Speaker 1: of years ago before modern science, and we're just now
Speaker 1: figuring this out. But there we establish God's throne sits
Speaker 1: above the earth in his throne room Revelation four four
Speaker 1: through seven. Around the throne on every side we have
Speaker 1: twenty four elders, which is the divine council. Jesus says
Speaker 1: in John eleven nine are there not twelve hours in
Speaker 1: a day? So twelve and twelve is twenty four. I
Speaker 1: believe that this is symbolic for time. You know, God
Speaker 1: sits at the center of all time. Verse five says
Speaker 1: before the throne sits seven torches of fire. Some believe
Speaker 1: it to be the Minora, some say it's the seven
Speaker 1: spirits of God. I believe it could also mean the
Speaker 1: seven planets or wandering stars. Ezekiel twenty eight both mentioned
Speaker 1: stones of fire that Satan and these angels walked amongst
Speaker 1: verse six talks about a sea of glass like crystal.
Speaker 1: You know, could this be, you know, the firmament that
Speaker 1: the throne sits on. Per Isaiah forty twenty two. Verse
Speaker 1: six through eight talks about the four living creatures on
Speaker 1: each side of the throne like guardians. That places the
Speaker 1: twenty four elders outside of them. And we already discussed
Speaker 1: what these living creatures were. There are the four cardinal
Speaker 1: points of the Babylonian zodiac, you know. So John was
Speaker 1: taken to the throne room of God, where his throne
Speaker 1: sits on the firmament of Earth like a sea of glass.
Speaker 1: Directly in front of the throne are the stones of fire,
Speaker 1: the seven planets, wandering stars, and then around are the
Speaker 1: four living creatures, the four corner corners of the zodiac
Speaker 1: on each side of the throne room, surrounded on every
Speaker 1: by the twenty four Elders, the Divine Council symbolizing the
Speaker 1: twenty four hours in a day. So John was being
Speaker 1: shown before all the craziness, the revelation that rolls out
Speaker 1: assuring his people that God sits at the center of
Speaker 1: all time, space and matter and is in control. I've
Speaker 1: never seen that before I thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've obviously you read about how it's
Speaker 3: set up, but actually.
Speaker 2: Trying to figure out why I've.
Speaker 1: Never because I always read it just like literally, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a throne, there's four living creatures, there's twenty four
Speaker 1: people around it, you know what I mean. It is
Speaker 1: what it is. It's literal, and then you get to
Speaker 1: digging a little deeper into symbolism and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and it's just wild. It's just you know, it's like
Speaker 1: John was taking up into outer space, or given a
Speaker 1: vision of it anyway, looking down on everything as a whole,
Speaker 1: seeing the big picture. God's you know, Earth, God's thrown
Speaker 1: on top, the four constellations of the zodiac around him,
Speaker 1: then the twenty four Elders, the Divine Counsel, which is
Speaker 1: twenty four hours in a day, that's all time, space
Speaker 1: and matter, and God right in the center of it.
Speaker 2: It's definitely interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I haven't got it all ironed out yet.
Speaker 1: But I'll throw my little theory out just friends to
Speaker 1: maybe ponder on. Maybe one of you guys can figure
Speaker 1: it out for me. Send me an email, let me know,
Speaker 1: because this is something that i've threw around and postulated,
Speaker 1: but I've not really sit down and tried to work out.
Speaker 1: But the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Okay, a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't notice this, but the four horsemen are
Speaker 1: called out by these four living creatures, not God. Every
Speaker 1: single time it says, you know, the living creature says,
Speaker 1: you know, come forth. You know. So when I noticed this,
Speaker 1: I started doing some dignessy if there's any way that
Speaker 1: I can draw connections to these four riders or horses,
Speaker 1: to these four constellations. You know. The search didn't turn
Speaker 1: out completely void, but still has kind of open ended
Speaker 1: and left for interpretation. But the first living creature it
Speaker 1: calls forth a white horse, and it has a bow.
Speaker 1: You know. Some think that this is Christ, but Christ
Speaker 1: comes later with a sword, not a bow. One entity
Speaker 1: in the ancient world that comes to mind is resh Eef,
Speaker 1: the plague god, the god of war. It mentions a crown.
Speaker 1: The only constellation of the four that we are looking
Speaker 1: at here have to be Leo that's associated with kingship.
Speaker 1: So Revelation twelve Leo is the crown with twelve stars
Speaker 1: on the woman. Zachariah six mentions these same horses but
Speaker 1: they have chariots. I believe these to be the same.
Speaker 1: In that passage, the white horse rides north from the
Speaker 1: throne of God. So I believe this first living creature
Speaker 1: to be Leo in the northern hemisphere. So that puts
Speaker 1: it around March April, or may you know. As spring
Speaker 1: progresses into summer, Leo drifts progressively to the west. But
Speaker 1: the second living creature calls forth the red horse, who
Speaker 1: takes peace and makes war. This makes me think of
Speaker 1: Taurus the bull. Just beside of Taurus is Ares, you know,
Speaker 1: who is the god of war rule by Mars, the
Speaker 1: red planet. Zachariah six doesn't mention where this horse rides,
Speaker 1: but verse seven says when the strong horses came out,
Speaker 1: they were impatient to go and patrol the earth, so
Speaker 1: they went. Taurus is visible fall through spring in the
Speaker 1: northern hemisphere or spring through fall in the southern hemisphere.
Speaker 1: The third living creature calls forth a black horse, and
Speaker 1: that it had scales that looks like weight scales, But
Speaker 1: the word in Greek actually means yoke like a plow
Speaker 1: ox would wear, symbolizing slavery or bondage. The constellation of
Speaker 1: queries is depicted often with a yoke on its back
Speaker 1: carrying water. And Zacharaia six we see this horse rides
Speaker 1: north with with the white horse. Here we see a
Speaker 1: day's wage for one meal. A quaius can be found
Speaker 1: in the northern hemisphere during autumn or in the southern
Speaker 1: in the spring. And then the fourth living creature calls
Speaker 1: forth the pale horse, and its rider's name is Death,
Speaker 1: and with it comes Hades. He kills with the sword, famine, pestilence,
Speaker 1: and wild beasts of the field. This leaves us only
Speaker 1: with the scorpio or the eagle Death where is thy sting?
Speaker 1: And Zachariah sixth we see that this horse rides south
Speaker 1: July and August. It is located in the northern hemisphere,
Speaker 1: and as summer wanes it drifts southwest. The zodiac will
Speaker 1: goes counterclockwise with the living creatures giving the rider's direction
Speaker 1: as constantly. You know, if my theory is correct, you
Speaker 1: can time the seasons of the coming of the horsemen.
Speaker 1: You couldn't predict their coming by no means. You know,
Speaker 1: no man knows the hour. You know it would take
Speaker 1: someone who knows a lot more about stars than I do.
Speaker 1: But I found that there was interesting correlations with the
Speaker 1: riders and these four living creatures. You know, if my
Speaker 1: postulations are correct, there's a lot of correlations with them
Speaker 1: that could be made. Yeah. Now, granted, you know the
Speaker 1: constellation will goes kind or clockwise, and we know which
Speaker 1: constellations are in the certain hemispheres at certain times of
Speaker 1: the year. But just like in zachar Wrio says, you know,
Speaker 1: this horse goes north or this horse goes this horse
Speaker 1: goes south, that clock continually goes around and around and around.
Speaker 1: So even if the pale horse is released in the
Speaker 1: southern hemisphere, that doesn't mean the next time the next
Speaker 1: horseman comes to the right hemisphere that it's the same time.
Speaker 1: It mean, you just don't know. I mean it could be.
Speaker 1: I think we're not meant to know, But I just
Speaker 1: thought the correlations still figure out. It's fun to postulate.
Speaker 1: But uh, that's it, guys. I got a couple other
Speaker 1: little things, but you guys can dig on your own
Speaker 1: and get your own stuff. But we just wanted to
Speaker 1: We talked about how the story of salvation in Christ
Speaker 1: was written in the stars that I thought was wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just wanted to go through the Bible and
Speaker 1: show you places in the Bible where constellations and zodiacs
Speaker 1: and stuff like that we're mentioned that maybe you might
Speaker 1: have looked over. Keep digging. Thanks for listening to the
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