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Speaker 1: Well, hello, we welcome to episode three hundred and eighteen

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of Hobby Hotline. I'm Danny, and I think Chris's camera

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is gonna kick him in the second here. He's uh,

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he's in a bad weather area. But we've got some

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great content this morning. Let me start out by saying

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episode three eighteen again, because that's crazy to me. Mad

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City Brew, Good morning, he said, who didn't catch the

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Otani ball? I am filing to suit also for that.

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I watched it in one apiece able. Good morning, Reuben

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pulling the overnight shift with me here. I'm just here

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to help Mike Petty put this show on all the

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TVs at best Buy. That's one of my favorite. It's

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a tradition like no other with Hobby Hotline, got some

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great topics today. Chris Carlin is calling in from the

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Music City Card Show, so we're going to have him

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joining us, hopefully shortly. But I did want to start

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off before Chris gets here talking about the fifty the ball.

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It's already gone crazy. Yes, good morning, first day of

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life without Karl Anthony Towns in Minnesota. He's now a

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New York Nick. I wonder what that does for his

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cards that's got to be a big uptaking the cards

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going to that market. Sad from Minnesota though, and they

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got eliminated. Twins got eliminated last night rough in Minneapolis.

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But so Tani, fifty to fifty. How much do you

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guys think that ball is going to go for? That's

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the biggest question. I'll admit I undershot it. My guess

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would have been between a half million and a million,

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and I think it's blowing right past that. So I

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wonder what you guys think there you go, one more

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home run atany will be fifty five. How relevant is

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the ball? You know, sixty sixty. If he could get

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to sixty sixty, that I think would be a little

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bit more relevant. Yeah, Bob, Danny finally knocked the others

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to get his own bench. Clar show hardly, hardly, Bob.

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We got some people fighting some tough situations health and weather.

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So you know, just trying to pick up the load

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here and appreciate the chat room today. You guys are

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gonna help carry the show, So don't be afraid to

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tap in and let me put the link in the chat. Also,

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so if anybody wants to jump on, please feel free

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and hopefully you're in better weather than Chris Carlin is.

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So what do you guys think that ball is going

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to go for.

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Speaker 2: Mike?

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Speaker 1: We've got some sick people and some people fighting some

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weather down south, So I'm going solo here Stukes. I

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might have some big time bidders from his home country

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in Japan, maybe a one point five million? Does that

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end at one point five million? I, like I said,

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I would have guessed between a half million and a million,

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And it looks like it's gonna fly by that. And

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this is a good question if what if next year

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he does sixty sixty or does fifty to fifty again?

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Does that ball carry the same price if it's not

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the only time? And how about ronaldccuna last year going

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forty seventy? Does anybody have more respect for that now?

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Because that was pretty impressive? And here he is, Chris Carlin,

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what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's some weather out here in Nashville, so apologize

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that had to get a different WiFi set up going.

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Speaker 1: Not a problem at all. So why don't you tell

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everybody where you are and what you're doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Music City Card Show is ah a

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pretty cool event. It's actually in a book. Uh, kind

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of cool this up. But you've got dealers all over

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the place here, our tables, very eclectic mix of collectible

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care what I what? I it is really cool. I

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want the shows where I just see the same stuff

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over and over again. And uh, they have a lot

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of music memorabilia, signed guitars, you know, signed album the

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things you want to normally see. Uh, and then a

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tremendous amount of you know, there's always the football, basketball,

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but a tremendous amount of wrestling is here, which is

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really kind. And the thing that that blew my mind

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yesterday is I'm here before the show starts and there's

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a booth called cool Zoo and I guess they uh

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it's a profit that's designed to expose people to unique animals.

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cage in their booth. And then they had crocadile that

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you could hold. They had a baby monkey, d what else?

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do was they had a sloth. So what am I

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going to ever hold a slop? I did it and

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it was pretty cool. So I've never seen that at

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a card show, but it's definitely made it made it

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unique for sure. So PSA is here taking in submissions.

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Speaker 1: Enny sounds like a petting zoo with a card show.

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Speaker 2: Kind of Again, I'd never seen anything like that before, so, uh,

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that was pretty unique. And then we're also doing authentication

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for a lot of the show signers. This show in

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particular driven by show signers Mike Mike Tyson's the headliner,

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a lot of other games, Lenny Dike st Johnny Bench,

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those types. I think it's gonna be the weather kept

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a lot of people away last night, but tomorrow, I

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think you're extremely busy here. Uh and it's uh, the

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really value out in Franklin. So if you're in the Tennessee,

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I definitely come on down to the Music City show

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and we'll take your PSA subs or authentic aid to

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any items that you get ten at the show.

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Speaker 1: And something that's very important right now in the hobby

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is definitely protecting stuff. And I know you wanted to

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touch on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, one thing that I saw quite frequently

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in my years at Upper Deck, uh was loss collectors

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having loss Obviously the wrong reasons would be theft things

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along those lines, but there was also loss on things

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that could have been prevented a bit. Fire is extremely

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damaging to collectibles, obviously, but water is as well, and moisture,

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as as most of us seasoned collectors know, really screws

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up trading cards. So I dealt with quite a few

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customers who had lost their entire collections because they had

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things in the basement or on the first floor and

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you know, on the ground, and they lost everything. And

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it's it's really heartbreaking when you see someone's personal items

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that they are so close to, that are so unique

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and so awesome lost like that. So as I look

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at what's happening in North Carolina in particular right now,

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and thoughts and prayers to everyone out there, it makes

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you realize, you know, as a collector, you've got to

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be smart about how you're you're storing your items and

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having them up high is a really good idea. Not

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to pimp PSA's vaulting service, but there's there's a lot

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of different services out there in the market to store

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your cards in that are secure and in a very

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safe environment. So I would encourage collectors to look at that,

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but but be vigilant and you don't. You don't plan

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that much for disasters, but when they come, they can

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be just crippling, especially for collectibles. So very important that

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that collectors are doing their due diligence to make sure

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a their items are insured correctly and either they're storing

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it in the right ways. So I don't know if

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you've had any experience of that, Danny, but it's it's

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a tough one when people lose everything that they've worked

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so hard to build.

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Speaker 1: Sadly I have. I had my entire collection stolen when

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I was younger, and it's affected me as a collector

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the rest of my life. I always try to have

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one of the hobby insurance companies as a answer, because

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I do believe it's important to protect your collection. Vaulting,

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you know, whatever method you feel most comfortable, even a

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safety deposit box, but definitely, h it's super important.

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Speaker 2: We were talking, Yeah, I also had had a kid

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come and visit me when I was like thirteen fourteen,

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stayed with us for a couple of days. He was

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really intrigued by my collection, and I was. I was

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tickled that anyone was interested in the cards that I

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had been putting together. But a week later I went

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through all my cards and found where were all my

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best ones and came to the sad realization that he

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had ripped me off and to bummer. To bummer is

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a real betrayal. But you're right, it always sticks with you.

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And that violation of trust is a tough one. That

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that just bums me out. And you know, I see

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it a lot in shops where you'll have just just

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really kind of heartbreaking stuff. You you know, you're a

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shop owner. You get into this because you love the hobby,

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you're passionate about it, and then you have kids coming

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in and stealing from you. Or the worst one that

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I was talking to one of my shop owners about

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was a father and son working together, if you can

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believe that, And uh, just such a bummer that uh

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that that part of the hobby exists, But it is.

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It is a tough one. It again, you've got to

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be vigilant. You've got to keep uh be aware of

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your surroundings and and make sure you're being smart when

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you're at shows events, uh with your with your price collectibles.

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Speaker 1: And and a shout out or a comment to the

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sports card shop and Moco uh and those guys unfortunately

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had a break in a couple of weeks ago. So

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you know, it affects a lot more people than we

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hear about, and let me give let me give them

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a shout out here two okay, is the sports card

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shop guys for your local LCS is you know it's

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important for uh, for the community, and you know, be

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vigilant is good advice. Chris. Yeah, all right, So before

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you hopped on, we were talking a little show, Heir

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Tommy and the fifty to fifty ball, uh some comments.

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I thought the ball would go somewhere between a half

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million and a million, and clearly it's going to surpass that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought one five to two million. I had

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a bartender actually text me and ask me what I

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thought it was going to go for. But but that's interesting,

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right when I when when you have people out of

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the hobby asking you about these items, that means it's

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really getting some some mainstream attention. So with that attention,

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you just need two bidders to go crazy on something

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and who knows what will happen. So it'll be fun

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to watch because I think there's eighteen days left and

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it's over a million already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that and I haven't checked since I

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went to bed. It could be another million. Who knows, Yeah,

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but somebody and I lost the comment in here if

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I can find it, but it shows his popularity here

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it is might have some big time bidders from his

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home country in Japan, maybe a million five or you know,

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maybe more. His popularity is far more than than Dodgers

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fans and American baseball fans. And I know that that

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you've got some experience with the popularity of the hobby

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in Asia and you know the players over there. Can

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you talk about a little bit just about how much

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that's a booming hobby area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a reason why PSA's you know,

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collectors second headquarters was in Tokyo. Make sure that you

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know we're servicing the needs of that community, which you

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know it is driven a lot by TCG, A lot

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of Pokemons submitted, for sure, But in terms of sports,

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he's number one, far and away. And I saw it

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firsthand at the start of the year. I was lucky

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enough to take my family to uh Seoul for the

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oh putting series in Korea between the Padres and Dodgers,

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and I was shocked at how many Japanese fans were

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in attendance, and there was a guy outside rested up

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like O Tommy and uh just signs you know, Otani

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and his dog pictures of They are crazy for him

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not to do that. But it's also really interesting how

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we started the year and how where we're at right now.

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And what I mean by that day is he had

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that gambling scandal starting the season. We didn't know if

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he even base ball again for a hot minute, and

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it caused some of his collectibles to I wouldn't say plummet,

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but they dropped a bit for a while there, and

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some smart people, uh probably probably made some good moves there,

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good investments. But uh, it's it's pretty wild to see

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how his name was a little tarnished to start the

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season and now he isn't just elevated as the best

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player in the league, He's seen by many as the

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best player of all time. So it's, uh, it's pretty

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crazy that the roller coaster ride his his season has

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taken right.

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Speaker 1: And now we even have a lawsuit with with people

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fighting over the ball, so you know, showing I mean

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what this has come to, you know, and I don't

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know if it'll hold up but have you seen the

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video of it yet?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I you know, I think there was something

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similar to this with the McGuire home run chase. Uh.

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and uh, it doesn't really well but for their their

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chances to uh to get it. But I guess your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I think in the previous one

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they judge made them split the money or something like that.

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I saw the video. I don't think the eighteen year

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old had the ball, I think, Yeah, I think I've

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chased foul balls before. It's a it's a little bit

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it's a little bit rough at the bottom of the scrum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you're going to dive on cement

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and over metal chairs and you come away with it,

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and then even if I don't, you know like that,

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the younger kid got beat for it. You know what

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was the comment Bob put on here? Kids learned that

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life ain't fair at the ballpark. So there's a lot

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of meanings to that. Interesting comments to your point, As

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long as something like gambling doesn't derail his career a

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ka Conseko and others with steroids, you know, will it

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follow him? Around, I think is the big thing. If

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it never comes up again, then it might be people

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who forgot that Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays got suspended

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at one point for for being in casinos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I it's such an interesting deal. You know. I

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think that Padres had a player that was banned last year.

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It was like a tertiary player. But it happens like there,

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they investigate their the MLB seems to take it seriously,

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but on on a player of Sho Hayes caliber, it's uh,

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It's it's interesting for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was always the rumors about uh and I

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don't know how much you can say with Michael Jordan

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and and his off the off the court proclivities uh

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and uh and and and why he may or may

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not have played baseball. One of my favorite all time

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rumors was that that's how the NBA got rid of

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him for a year, or was he went to play baseball.

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So nothing like a good story getting in those of facts.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's it's hard too because athletes, especially Jordan's

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is joke. They're just so competitive. And one of my

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favorite collectibles I own is uh Jordan's signed Joker card

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and where did this come from. Well, he was playing

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golf with Rolly Fingers and a couple other players and

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it started raining, so they came inside and started playing poker.

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Because you know, if Jordan could can't beat you on

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the golf course, he's going to beat you at the

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poker table. And uh, Raleigh is a pretty sharp guy.

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So Michael asked him for something, and Raley took the

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two jokers out of the deck and said, yeah, I'll

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do that. Just give it, Just give me two signatures.

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So I've got one of those jokers. And it's funny

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that it ties to that, that poker game that one

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day and a cold, rainy day at a golf course.

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So Jordan definitely loves that. But I think any player

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who's competitive likes that. You know, you look at Pete Rose,

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so competitive, so fiery, but they like that thrill that

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competition off the field too. And it's MLB just is

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pretty hardcore on their rules, and I don't I don't

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blame them.

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Speaker 1: Mike Petty says that that after he bought some kids

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for a ball, he did buy them new drinks, but

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he left with the ball. All's fair and war in baseball.

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Speaker 2: You take care of the kids. That's where he brings

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some trading cards. Give him some cards, You're good to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Coonter says, what would Mays have done if

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he didn't have to play in the field and not

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worry about pitchers throwing at him? I guess that's a

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comparison to a Tami. Yeah. Could he have been a

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fifty to fifty guy. I would say that with the

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new rules in the new bases, probably, And I think

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we have to acknowledge that for Atani.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean just everything. It's so hard talking

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about generation against generation. I mean, what would Willie Mays

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have been if he would have had the training regimens

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and the nutrition and things along those lines that we

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have today, every every player would have been better. So it's, uh,

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it's hard to say, but it's always a fun discussion,

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that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is stats like this May's wore a hat,

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not a batting helmet for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, right, Like you wouldn't even think it's possible. But yeah,

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I can tell.

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Speaker 1: You right now, I do not have the inner fortitude

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to stand in there without a helmet.

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Speaker 2: That's not gonna Hey, no way.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget the larger basis. It's absolutely a true point

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on Atani.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, that you know what.

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Speaker 2: No one's been talking about that either, and it does help.

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Speaker 1: Oh and the limited pickoff moves, I think I think

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the limited pickoff move is shoke a big difference, says

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Mays also had the wonderful conditions of Candlestick. I mean

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it's a very good point. You know, if you would

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put May's in the same conditions as Otani or somebody else, well,

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you know, you can say that for anybody. But uh,

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I think May's, with his skill set, it was probably

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the closest to the fifty to fifty. But Ronald Acuna

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last year, I was saying earlier, I think we have

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to look at forty seventy again with a lot of respect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sho.

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Speaker 1: He also has a shot at the triple Crown. I

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don't know if we'll get it this year, but I

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think for his career he's got a shot any year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting to see what his workload is like when

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you start pitching again. So he's gonna need more days

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off obviously, so uh, we'll kind of see how that goes.

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But it's such a an anomaly, right, like, it's fun

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to watch him unless he's playing your team. Uh, but

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uh yeah, it's uh it's it's a special time to

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to see an athlete like this. It reminds me a

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lot of Tiger and his prime, Mike Tyson and his prime.

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You know. It's he's kind of must see TV and

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he time me up. It's it's very interesting to watch.

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So I'm excited for the playoffs. It'll be really interesting

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to see if he does something exciting there and only

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elevates his his name more so. But it's it's one

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of those things Danny like, how high do you think

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show hey collectibles can go? And I think we'll get

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a goodometer of that with his baseball. But he is

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like the Michael like, there's not a lot of athletes

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that are so high and in terms of value and

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their their ceiling, but his ceiling just seems to continue

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to elevate. It's it's wild. Outside of Jordan, I can't

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think of another athlete quite like it.

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Speaker 1: I do think that there's a little bit of a

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show hey, bubble of enthusiasm and they're selling the ball

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at the perfect time, you know, getting it right to auction.

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To me was the move. I don't think you're going

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to get more after the season or anything else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was really impressive how quickly Golden got

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that and uh and started marketing it immediately and and

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again that one thing. You could say what you want

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about Ken Golden, but he does get eyeballs and uh.

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And the news coverage on this so far has been interesting.

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But when we're on that second to last day and

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the last day when it finally sells, I think it's

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just going to be even more massive interest in it.

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And again, I think it's good for the entire hobby

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where this type of mainstream coverage of our of our

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category only benefits us by having more people learn about it,

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more people go back and discover cards again or collectibles,

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and uh, it just makes it a lot of fun.

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I think when there's more people in the in the room,

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like yesterday this show was was a little dead and

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now you could see it's it is popping down there.

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So really cool to see the the hobby continue to

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be so healthy in the in the face of you know,

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other distractions out there, like you know, coming out of COVID,

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people started vacationing again and going places and spending their

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money in different ways than they were during the pandemic

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on their hobbies. And it's nice to see that the

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trading card and collectibles category remains very, very strong.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Adam a splendid sports car, says, I love Otani,

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but I wish he wasn't playing during a mass produced

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era of cars. Does anyone even know what his best

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cards are? There's a fair point, Chris, do you do

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you do you think in general some players get oversaturated?

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Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you from the manufacturing standpoint. When

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I was at Upper Deck, we had you could make

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more releases. Just because you know, you made twenty releases

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last year didn't mean you couldn't make thirty releases the

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next year. But what we would always tell the league

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and the Players Association is that at Upper Deck, we

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each set needed to have a reason to be This

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one's for technology collectors, this one's for autograph collectors, this

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one's for game US collectors. You know, so you each

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one would need to be able to have merit to

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stand on its own. And unfortunately, I think if you're

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a shop owner in particular, you know probably better than

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anyone that that there have been some releases that we

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probably could have done without, especially when you have thirty

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forty fifty sixty releases of a particular sport each year.

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And then you know the fact that I did share

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that the hobby is booming like they've got they've got

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to make enough product for all those folks, which which

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means that you know, there's more produced, there's more people

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in the in the hobby. But it bodes well for

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sets that are twenty five years old and older, I

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would say, where they were made at levels which would

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be considered minischool today. So the population on those products

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twenty five years ago, we usually say twenty five is

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the golden number, but you see print runs that are

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are much much, much much less. So, yes, it is

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interesting that this is all happening at a time when

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there are a lot of trading cards. You can just

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look at what his tops now, fifty to fifty card,

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how many of those they sold? Hundreds of Yeah, And

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it goes to show you that there's a lot of

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collectors out there, and they don't mind that. They don't

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always mind that there's that there's so many of them.

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They just want to have a piece of history, and

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that's what trading cards are. About so it's hard to

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get mad at that when when people want to collect

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them and be a part of what I think is

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a really awesome hobby.

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Speaker 1: The tops Now concept. When they have one chase card

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and hundreds of thousands of base cards, are we almost

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getting into a lottery system?

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Speaker 2: Danny, I saw a lot of common it says the

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show Hayes were arriving and people were kind of crushed

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that they I only got bass cards. Well, yeah, they

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were hundreds of thousands made, So I would say the experience, Well,

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it's great that tops does these chase elements, whether it

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be autographed inserts or numbered inserts or different parallels. It's

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also creating a bad experience when people's expectations are so

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high and they don't land. So the one good thing

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I will say about tops Now cards is they great,

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really well. I've submitted about probably three hundred in my

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time here at PSA, and I think only one's got

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a nine, So I will give them kudos. They make

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a good, good quality card for that set, so.

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Speaker 1: And a good quality protective case clearly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Somebody had a comment here that I thought was good,

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something to the effect of with this many cards being produced,

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how can the value go up? And I think it's

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sort of a Staggard approach. You know, the high end

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pulls cards up, you know, and there's a chain reaction,

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and I think natural enthusiasm can drive the lower part

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of the market also because you have more people coming

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in just to grab an atanic card with this many

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being produced, do you think it's sustainable for value to

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go up?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's tricky. The one thing that I would be

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leery of as we're we've been in this utopia now

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for a few years for the hobby. Just this this resurgence.

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The one thing that could sidecar this, this whole industry

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is a labor dispute in the in one of the

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major sports. I think it would probably be football that

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would would happen first. But I've seen firsthand what it

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can do on the manufacturing side. When you sign up,

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you still have to pay the leagues and the players

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associations and the athletes, and you still I often say,

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and UPPERNEX president Jason Masher used to say this a

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lot too. The trading card manufacturers are as nimble as

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an oil tanker. You know, they can see problems coming,

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but it's very hard to veer away from the iceberg

475
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:29,240
or whatever it may be ahead, and that's a problem.

476
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:32,799
So while the rookies have been doing a good job

477
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,960
and the stars have been superstars as of late, the

478
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:39,680
one thing I think would be difficult is if there's

479
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,440
a labor dispute because kind of everything comes to a halt.

480
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:48,039
People when they see millionaires fighting with billionaires. It's a

481
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,839
bad situation. And we've been blessed that we haven't had

482
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,759
one in a while, but they come up about once

483
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,079
a decade and they're not good for our industry at all.

484
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,519
So as long as the leagues and Players Association can

485
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
continue playing nice together, I think we're we're set up

486
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,440
for long term success. But it always comes up sooner

487
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,880
or later, so we'll see how it goes. Well.

488
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Was that The Godfather where they said every so often

489
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,160
you have to clear the bad air and Joe to

490
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,519
the mattresses, So, uh, you know something like that. Okay.

491
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,240
I'm a big believer and I love the Tops Buyback program,

492
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,319
and I think it's a great thing for for people

493
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,599
to get into their local card shops, but it's based

494
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,680
upon the MLB Awards. Is there anybody other than Aaron

495
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:42,880
Judge and Shoho Tani. Is this a runaway? I mean

496
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,720
not really Bobby with JR.

497
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of Yeah, there's a lot

498
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:51,440
of two shary players that are that are great. But yeah,

499
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,680
I think those two guys are the guys right like

500
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:58,079
it It can't be uh, it can't really be that close.

501
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:02,000
Like I think saw Young and other other awards might

502
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,839
be more competitive. Rookie of the Year is very competitive,

503
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,880
especially in the NL between schemes and merrill. Uh. But yeah,

504
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,759
we'll kind of see what what happens, and it's always

505
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:13,079
fun to watch. But yeah, for MVP, I don't I

506
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:14,400
don't see anyone beating those two.

507
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:19,759
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. The people who stock up as

508
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,960
early as possible on their predictions for the winners and

509
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,200
uh for the buy back try to get as much

510
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:28,359
credit as possible.

511
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

512
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: There there's a there's an incentive program there.

513
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's funny. You know, I often say

514
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:41,160
I collect uh a lot of entertainment cards as well,

515
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:46,559
and you know I knew to buy Wolverine uh cards,

516
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:51,200
you know, uh, Hugh Jackman cards and Ryan Reynolds cards

517
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:53,839
two years ago because they announced that this was happening,

518
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:55,200
and Hugh Jackman was going to be in it, and

519
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,519
you knew there would be interest when the movie came out,

520
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:00,680
So it you can do it a little easier on

521
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,359
the entertainment side. I think it's there's a little more

522
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,039
path to predictability. Daredevil has a new big show coming out,

523
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,920
so now's a good time to buy it before it

524
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,039
it hits. But very similar with the Top Spy Back

525
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,720
program on on baseball, So it'll be interesting to see

526
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,440
if they extend that. I would imagine they would to

527
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:24,400
NFL and NBA when they take those licenses on, and

528
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,960
even if they extend it to wrestling or or UFC

529
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,200
would be kind of unique or cool. You imagine, you know,

530
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,119
someone's fighting in a UFC match and then next day

531
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,799
you could take your cards and for the winner and

532
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,079
and get get cash back for me. It would be

533
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,640
pretty cool. So, uh, they're they're trying a lot of

534
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,319
unique things at TOPS. I really you know, when when

535
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Michael Eisner bought TOPS, we all believed that he would

536
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:53,160
bring these dynamic programs to the hobby that would create

537
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,720
more interest in it and elevate the category as a whole,

538
00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:59,000
and it didn't really happen, but we're definitely seeing that

539
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:03,559
with Michael Rubin. They are between fanatics, Veest, the buybacks,

540
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,119
Tops Rip Nights, there's just the partnership they did with

541
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:12,320
with Sotheby's. There's just a lot of things that they

542
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,920
are doing that are elevating the category and taking it

543
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,480
to another level. So I'm while it's easy to bash

544
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,400
Tops for this, that or the other are making so

545
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,559
many cards, They're just giving people what they want at

546
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:27,039
the end of the day, and it's it's kind of

547
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:29,119
hard to fault them for that. But they've done a

548
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,719
tremendous job of marketing the category, that's for sure.

549
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: You mentioned it. The Holy Grail auction was very cool

550
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,119
if people haven't seen some of the items. And speaking

551
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:43,599
of that, the are Tani Suiting card super Fracture from

552
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:51,280
there was a beautiful and gorgeous card. Couter says the

553
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,679
contrived scarcity of serial numbers is not true scarcity. I've

554
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,920
been saying that forever a card is hot until it's

555
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,239
not because there's a new hot chase sell while you

556
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,360
can your Tawny Ball is five hundred thousand and five years.

557
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:07,800
I agree with a lot of that.

558
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,679
Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah, I mean, if you open up Leaf Pop Century,

559
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,840
you're getting a one on one in every box, but

560
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,320
there's fifty eight different parallels to those one of one,

561
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,760
So is it really, you know, as rare as you think. Yeah,

562
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,199
I think that there's been a maybe a chase to

563
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:30,159
the bottom with regard to serial numbered cards and how

564
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:34,599
frequently they fall and just how many are really out there.

565
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,199
So I agree with that as well.

566
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:43,519
Speaker 1: I think there's a correlation between that and the one

567
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,199
on one prices and the bounties that seem to be

568
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,159
going up. I think that's the reverse is people now

569
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,320
you know, you can't fake a one on one.

570
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bounties are really interesting. You know, you have

571
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,920
different dealers offering these bounties. Grand Slam, Nathan Burns a

572
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,000
Grand Slam and Gianna's even getting in on that. Uh

573
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,679
that Triple Olympics auto has been. It's you know, it

574
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,960
gives us something to talk about. It's fun, but it's

575
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,719
exciting that there is that level of interest in some

576
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,760
of these cards. So it's it's fun to see the

577
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,119
thrill when people can score one of those bounties. I

578
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,639
was just talking with Adam Martin from David Adams. He's

579
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:30,599
purchased a lot of these bounty cards, uh, and I said,

580
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:32,280
you know, it's about the time we probably get those

581
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,360
in a p s A slab. He's like, hey, you're

582
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480
probably right, right, so we're talking to him about that

583
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:42,239
right now. But yeah, it's it's uh that that portion

584
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,679
of the business is really interesting, and it's it's fun

585
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,360
to see how in the Star Wars community on Facebook,

586
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,800
there's a lot of groups where they'll do a bounty

587
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,079
hunt and you basically bid in real time on the

588
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,880
on the image shown that's coined, which is kind of

589
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,320
fun too. So uh, it's it's really interesting how collectors

590
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,880
will take things off eBay or off auction sides uh

591
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,480
and kind of do it their own way in order

592
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:15,400
to save on those those fees that are tied to that.

593
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,719
But I always feel like you're gonna if you have

594
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,119
a really special collectible, you're going to realize the best

595
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,880
from it through going through an auction house or or

596
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,679
going through uh through eBay. So they just have so

597
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,199
many more eyes, you know.

598
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Mookie says Jaba has a bounty for Han Solo.

599
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:41,639
Oh yeah.

600
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: See. Ballets were even popular a long long time ago

601
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,039
in a.

602
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,639
Speaker 1: Galaxy the pun. The puns aren't stopping bounty hunt in

603
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,800
a Star Wars group, So.

604
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: I know, I know, we're all you guys, just.

605
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: The group his dad jokes and Star Wars. I love it, Okay.

606
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,400
I think we got to touch on some some I

607
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,960
think two. I think two interesting stories. The Chicago White

608
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:21,360
Sox set the record for worst record ever and the

609
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,599
Oakland A's are no longer the Oakland As. I think

610
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:31,000
both of these. I think both of these are interesting.

611
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,000
The White Sox, I mean, what do you say it's

612
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,760
a lottery now that they're not even guaranteed the first pick,

613
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,440
and it just seems like everything's gone wrong in that

614
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,320
organization for a while now.

615
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: It's sad to see because that that collecting community is

616
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,960
so great, you know. I think if you're in Chicago,

617
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,559
three fourths of people collect Cubs over White Sox. But

618
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:03,000
there's still have been some names the works and does

619
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,239
passionate fans for that team. So yeah, it's it's it's

620
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,840
hard to watch, it's hard to see, but you know,

621
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:16,159
if you look at some of the successful clubs, that

622
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,079
chemistry is a real thing, you know, and when teams,

623
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,159
you know, when you genuinely like the people that you're

624
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:26,440
playing alongside, you make plays that you wouldn't normally make.

625
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:30,559
You you do think, so I think, you know, at

626
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,599
the end of the day, they're a professional baseball club,

627
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,519
you know, like there, It's not like there's been massive

628
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,519
expansion in MLB that's watered down the product. It's just

629
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000
I think a situation where, uh, maybe some people. You

630
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,400
got to change people out here and there, uh to

631
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,639
find the right chemistry that works for the team. So

632
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:54,079
uh and then okay is I I uh, I just

633
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,599
think it's going to be interesting in Sacramento in particular

634
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:02,440
because it gets really hot up there, playing on on turf,

635
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:04,519
so that's going to be heating up all day. So

636
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,119
I know they're going to try to play a lot

637
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:09,760
of the games in the evening. But yeah, it'll be

638
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,440
a wild experience, kind of like when the Chargers played

639
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,639
in that soccer stadium for a year and it just

640
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:19,440
felt really weird, but hey, you get a different fan experience.

641
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:21,440
So I know, I'm gonna try to go to one

642
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,119
of those games. I think it'll be something to see

643
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:28,159
and say, back in my day I saw the Oaks

644
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,719
playing Sacramento. You know, there's Las Vegas Aydes so, well,

645
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,440
we'll see how it all shakes out, but it'll be

646
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,239
interesting to watch.

647
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean, during the COVID year, people forget the Blue

648
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,599
Jays played in a Triple A park.

649
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,079
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, right.

650
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,519
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so stuff has happened before. I just think

651
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:51,320
it's it's sad for the history of the A's. I

652
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,719
know that they came from Kansas City, but they've they've

653
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,000
been such a so synonymous with Oakland over the years

654
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,079
and the great teams in the seventies. Charlie Finley and

655
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,320
I put in the chat, you know, best players ever

656
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,440
for the White Sox in the A's just curious and

657
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:13,239
Bob says Frank Thomas and Catfish Hunter uh, Stuke says,

658
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:19,199
Joe Jackson and Jimmy Fox hard to argue with them. Yeah,

659
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,360
there's Richie Jackson.

660
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,639
Speaker 2: You know, he was came other places, but he started

661
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:28,800
in Oakland. So his documentary was really interesting. I think

662
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,519
it was on Amazon, Reggie Jackson's. But he talked a

663
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:35,519
lot about uh, you know, those early Oakland teams and

664
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,280
they were good like they were, they hustled. So yeah,

665
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:41,480
it's definitely worth watching if you haven't seen it.

666
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a little bit of a car collection

667
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:44,880
as well.

668
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like cards, some people like cars.

669
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:57,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, exactly all right, And just to finish

670
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,599
it up, uh, some new products came out from a

671
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:06,559
general standpoint because we were talking about players associations. How

672
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,760
do you feel about logo versus non logos?

673
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,519
Speaker 2: I hate non logo. I really don't like it, but

674
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:19,639
but I still have some like I just bought a

675
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:23,920
Penini card of Dylan Cease because the patches were just

676
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,719
so dang cool that and the price was was really low,

677
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,760
So yeah, I think there are some bargains you could

678
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,840
find for it, but it's hard. It just feels weird.

679
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:45,159
It feels inferior, and especially if you're buying a premium product,

680
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,679
it's it's right as your pack opening experience happens. Unless

681
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,079
it's done well, it the experience kind of sucks. So

682
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:55,480
it's interesting to see what Tops is doing with that

683
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:58,320
regard with some of the football and basketball releases they've had.

684
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,840
But yeah, I don't like it. I know collectors don't

685
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,719
like it. I'm sure you probably don't like it either.

686
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: I've never liked Pajah mccards or whatever you want to

687
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,719
call them, until I actually thought the Tops this year

688
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,440
was one of the better ones I've seen in some time.

689
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:21,800
It's still not my first choice. I still want the logo,

690
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,159
but if you look at the Joe Montana Walter Payton Rookies,

691
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,079
I mean, you know, there was different reasons, but they

692
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:33,559
don't have full licensing on there. So I'm not totally

693
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,920
opposed to the idea. However, if I'm purchasing a card

694
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,840
and I'm choosing between two cards, I'm buying the logo

695
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,760
one hundred out of one hundred times.

696
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say in terms of pack opening experience,

697
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,079
I really enjoy Allen and Ginter and Goodwin Champions. I

698
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,360
think both those products are a lot of fun. And yeah,

699
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,239
a lot of the athletes are in their street clothes,

700
00:43:56,679 --> 00:44:01,039
but you know, when you're getting Michael Jordan in Tiger Woods,

701
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:04,760
Ken Griffey Junior, there's chances that precious metal gems, or

702
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,800
when you're opening up Ballan and Ginter and you're just

703
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,440
pulling weird stuff like it is a fun experience to

704
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:17,039
open those products that are player licensed, not league licensed.

705
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:20,480
But one of my favorite sets we ever did at

706
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:23,159
Upper Deck, I think it was about two thousand. It

707
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,519
was called Superstars and it was a licensed product that

708
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,360
featured different leagues, and I don't know how we negotiated

709
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:34,239
them doing it. I think we were only able to

710
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,920
do it one year. Baseball had some rules where I

711
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,559
think it had to be fifty percent of the set

712
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:41,039
had to be baseball, and other leagues didn't love that.

713
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:44,239
So you're doing all this back and forth. But to

714
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,400
feature like game used inserts or signed inserts where all

715
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,559
the players are from the same city was really cool.

716
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,400
And you have a baseball player with a basketball player

717
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,920
with a hockey player in their league uniforms was really special.

718
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,679
So sometimes you can catch lightning in a bottle like

719
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,400
that and make a set like that, but it's it's very,

720
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,800
very difficult to pull off with players associations. However, I

721
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,079
will say I would fully expect that TOPS would do

722
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,360
more of this as they as they take control of

723
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,400
more licenses, even potentially, you know, they they recently secured

724
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:27,079
the Marvel license, potentially merging Marvel and Sports like we

725
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,840
had seen in some early days, with athletes illustrated and

726
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,840
things along those lines. It could be really compelling and unique.

727
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,800
You know, there's been the start of sketch cards in

728
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:43,039
the sports cards market. But they could really take that

729
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:47,119
to another level by marrying Star Wars and an athlete

730
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,320
or you know, you see it already with you know,

731
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,559
one Solo and at bobble Heads instead of one Soto

732
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,199
for Star Wars Nights and things like that. So these

733
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,880
things are already starting to happen.

734
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:00,159
Speaker 1: You know.

735
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,159
Speaker 2: Star Wars Nights are one of my favorite nights to

736
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,639
go to the ballpark with my kids because you know,

737
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,239
there's people in costume. It's so fun and unique. It's

738
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,679
just a different vibe. But I would absolutely expect to

739
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,760
see that extended to the collectible's market, which you could

740
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,000
make for some really compelling releases that again get more

741
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,079
mainstream attention and more mainstream news, which draws more people

742
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,119
to the category. So when Top says they want to

743
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,679
ten x the hobby, the thought of that to me

744
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,079
as a collector is really scary because I kind of

745
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:33,719
like the hobby as it is right now. But the

746
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,039
thought of you know, there being so many more people

747
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,920
in the industry is actually a good thing because it

748
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,519
makes all of our collections more valuable if more people

749
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,679
are aren't going after them and are interested in the category.

750
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,800
So it's hard to be mad at it. It's definitely

751
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,840
better than manufacturers who who sit on their laurels and

752
00:46:54,119 --> 00:47:00,159
don't don't take action to grow. So it's one of

753
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:01,840
those weird things where it's hard to be mad at,

754
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,639
but it's it's tough because you like it the way

755
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:06,039
it is.

756
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: You know, you talked about Alan Ginter and Goodwin Champions.

757
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:17,039
I pulled a watermelon last year and you know that

758
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:21,719
that I love those sets. But if those became Marvel

759
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,039
characters instead.

760
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: Of water melons, imagine if the egg, yeah, I mean

761
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,079
egg actually sells pretty well.

762
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: Does the egg do well? But that's hilarious. Abel says,

763
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,960
Tops introduces all these cool sets and we'll be selling

764
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,400
them at eight thousand bucks. I will say price affordability

765
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,639
is something that's going to be very important in the

766
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:55,800
hobby moving forward. I think that, uh, that's something that

767
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,719
fanatics is going to have to look at overall moving forward.

768
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,559
Speaker 2: Is price of especially these direct pricing. You know, you're

769
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,039
being offered new boxes, which you know, I'd prefer the

770
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,639
experience happens at a hobby shop. But Tops wants to

771
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,079
get their cut, which makes sense because they're spending a

772
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,119
lot of money. Now it's not cheap bringing Tom Brady

773
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:20,480
to every event you do all year. But but yeah,

774
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:26,199
they're the prices are pretty jaw dropping in many cases

775
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,000
on products that you know, last year were one hundred

776
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,480
and fifty bucks in this year three hundred or you know,

777
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,639
and the content's not changing that much, you know, so

778
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,440
it's like, oh, what are we doing? We know they're

779
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,000
not making less, So it's it's a tricky one for sure.

780
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:48,039
Speaker 1: Bob said, Son, I'm sorry. Bob says, sorry, Son, you'll

781
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:51,039
have to go to community college tops boxes two semesters

782
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:56,159
of the university. Mike Patty says, did you steal the

783
00:48:56,199 --> 00:49:00,519
college fund? Yes? I did? What of it? Bob says,

784
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:02,320
kids want their old men to be happy. That's what

785
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,519
I say. You know what it's it's I know it's

786
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:09,840
tongue in cheek, but there's a real issue out there.

787
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,360
People want to collect and people have to choose where

788
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,800
their disposable income goes. And I think, you know, at

789
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,400
some point the disposable income is more than a plane ticket.

790
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,800
Over and over, it does become hard to get kids

791
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,519
in and we get a quick appearance from Brody. What's

792
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:29,960
going on?

793
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: Awesome? Speaking of the kids, Well.

794
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,599
Speaker 3: What's up guys, epilepsy hasn't been great this morning, but

795
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,519
it's all good. Let's talk some cardsh.

796
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: We got it.

797
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you buddy as well. I want

798
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,239
you to touch on what you put in the chat

799
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:52,599
and your thoughts on Stroud and the National Treasures.

800
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, so CJ Stroud, Bryce you on. I'm not sure

801
00:49:57,559 --> 00:49:59,719
if will Love Us made it as well, but they

802
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,639
have sticker autos, I believe on the checklist, and I

803
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,880
saw some posts that people were kind of theorizing maybe

804
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,679
they were going to save some stickers that they had

805
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,000
from for the higher end products, and they're on the checklist,

806
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:18,199
and I think this is something interesting when fanatics and

807
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:25,559
tops own the rights to Stroud and John's autograph rights

808
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:27,760
that they're in National treaders, like this could be a

809
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,079
potential lawsuit situation.

810
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Frank Sis Brody, hope you have a better day.

811
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,320
Great to see you, appreciate.

812
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to see you too. It's interesting. I

813
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,159
will say that there's times when manufacturers will work together.

814
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,199
You know, we'll give you fifty of this athlete's autograph

815
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,239
for two hundred and fifty of this athlete's autograph, so

816
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,320
we can at least have a little content, but it

817
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,400
doesn't seem to me that Thompson Pindia are wreaking together

818
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,159
very nicely. So yeah, well we'll see what happens there,

819
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,320
because you know, at any event, if those athletes did

820
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,199
public signings, you can put a sheet of lebels in

821
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:11,920
front of them pad and could potentially happen. So, uh,

822
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,639
we'll see. It'll be uh, it'll be a wild one

823
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,800
for sure, to see what happens when those hits.

824
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: And then, Bertie, what was the other topic you wanted

825
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:20,719
to bring on?

826
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:25,199
Speaker 3: Oh, twenty twenty four Luminants football came out and they

827
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,800
introduced future signatures NIL. So they have some people on

828
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,239
college like arch Manning, Dylan Royola, Jackson Dark who's the

829
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,760
favorite for Heisman. So it's interesting, Well, Penny try to

830
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,039
do some nil deals going forward for sets. And it's

831
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:47,719
kind of the other thought I had was I think

832
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,159
the rookies are in their college uniforms. I could be

833
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,079
off on that, but at least I thought it was

834
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:56,599
a product that was like that. But is it kind

835
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:00,760
of weird that they're putting people that are in college

836
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,599
into an NFL product.

837
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:07,559
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great question, because they don't do it

838
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:12,480
in baseball, right, they do minor leagues, you know, in

839
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,719
bowman of course, but you know, I can't think of

840
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,119
another sport basketball they don't do it, right.

841
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they mean they made that G League set

842
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:24,880
last year.

843
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think right now, they're trying to establish their

844
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,400
football releases as legitimate and the best way to do

845
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:39,599
that is include the first signed cards of any player.

846
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,679
Right Football and basketball are tremendously driven by rookie content,

847
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,000
and to have some XRC type of content in there

848
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,039
and have it be the first sign cards in particular

849
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:55,280
for some of these athletes is something that every manufacturer

850
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,920
is trying to do right now. One of the issues

851
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,199
I think that manufacturers are having is agents are having

852
00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:05,599
a field day with this nil situation. So just some

853
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:11,760
of the asks in terms of pricing are a bit crazy.

854
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,719
You know. You you can hear some of the deals

855
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,880
that you know, people are paying, you know, these kids,

856
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,119
and are they getting the return on the investment for it?

857
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,760
Probably not, you know. And with the transfer portal, if

858
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,079
you have players moving every season, it's hard for that

859
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:33,039
college football fan to be fully invested in them unless

860
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:36,480
they're just speculating and investing in their future like a commodity.

861
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:42,400
So I think they every manufacturer has to include ANIL now,

862
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,599
but how how low do they go? Do we start

863
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:50,159
having you know, high school players or things along those lines.

864
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:53,519
It'll be kind of interesting to see. But if Lebron

865
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:57,679
James came out, you know, if he was thirteen today,

866
00:53:58,119 --> 00:53:59,960
they would someone would find a way to make an

867
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,960
autograph trading card of him and included a trading card product.

868
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,199
Because everyone knew of Lebron when he was thirteen, so

869
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,039
there would have been full high school products, I'm sure,

870
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:10,559
and they would have found a way to get him

871
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:15,840
into everything. But that just shows you what a different demographic,

872
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,440
a different lens that the hobby looks through now that

873
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,280
it did five, ten, twenty years ago.

874
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,599
Speaker 1: Well, and Barty, my thought is it's almost like prospecting,

875
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,599
which we haven't really had in football. I mean, you

876
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:32,559
can buy rookie quarterbacks, but this is you know, this

877
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:36,679
is prospecting times one hundred. Arch Manning has yet to

878
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,079
play a conference game, right to start a conference game.

879
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,800
So the fact that you know, I mean, he may

880
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,679
be great, but we don't know. And you look what

881
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:48,519
happened to Bryce Young also, you know, is he ever

882
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:52,079
going to turn into what they thought. Mike Petty makes

883
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:54,480
the comment that CJ. Stroud is middle of the pack

884
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,400
quarterback this year and it's a lot of money for

885
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,840
his card. So I think it's interesting to bring prospecting

886
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,000
aspect into the NFL, but as we know, you know,

887
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,000
it's a lot more risk and the quarterback prices are

888
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:14,760
are ridiculous. Abel says twenty thirty tops Preschool, Alan Gunter Chrome.

889
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 3: Yes, there you see some of these guys that are

890
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,400
in the Panini USA Stars and Stripes. You get like

891
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,960
an auto of like a thirteen fourteen year old. There's

892
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,719
somebody that's my age, and I'll be like, what the

893
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,280
heck man, you're trying to steal my thunder?

894
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: Well, was it Bobby Wood whose only autograph was Stars

895
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,519
and Stripes? So there was somebody and I might have

896
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:41,079
the wrong player. But if somebody who starts, yeah it

897
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,519
was their only autograph and that that blows me away.

898
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it'll be interesting.

899
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,119
Speaker 2: I loved when Nupper Deck had the USA Baseball sets.

900
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:56,320
We had a lot of fun with with inscriptions, and

901
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,360
there's when players are younger, you can usually get him

902
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,639
to do more, whether it be inscriptions or or provide

903
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:08,840
different memorabilia, every things along those lines. So that is

904
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,840
a fun aspect of those those prospect type sets, but

905
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,159
unfortunately you got to wait a while to see if

906
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,519
those players even pan out. So it's one of those

907
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:20,960
things where you open it one day you know there's

908
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,159
like one superstar in there, and then you put it

909
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,159
away for three or four years and go back through

910
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:27,239
and oh my gosh, I got this guy. I got

911
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,519
that guy. So those that's why some of those baseball

912
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:34,119
set you're up on, you you get to have almost

913
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,800
a secondary pack open opening experience after you put them

914
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,119
away for a little bit and the players develop and

915
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:41,000
start hitting the field.

916
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one hundred percent true because I think I

917
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,440
bought a box in twenty seventeen of the Stars and Stripes,

918
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,679
and I had a Royce Lewis auto and like last

919
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,079
year is when he finally started to take off, and

920
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:57,639
this year he had another good year, So it's a

921
00:56:57,639 --> 00:56:58,360
pretty good card.

922
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,119
Speaker 1: Now he's got to stay all yeah in the world.

923
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you've got situations who goes out and

924
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,239
gets sent down and his prices, you know, go like

925
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,039
a roller coaster.

926
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:18,679
Speaker 1: But I like prospecting Mad City Bruce has way to

927
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:20,800
buy or invest for at least five years in NFL

928
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,559
quarterbacks unless you love flush. Yeah, I mean you're gonna

929
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,000
pay more, but your your hit rate is going to

930
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:33,719
be so much happy. Uh, you know, so so much better.

931
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,039
Uh what should I do with my chase allenment?

932
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm out here in uh in Nashville seeing

933
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:42,800
a lot of people spending a lot of money on

934
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,840
will Levis rookies, and Titans haven't had the best year

935
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,599
so far. So is he the guy? You know, like

936
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,599
you're right you football? In basketball, everyone goes all in

937
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:59,000
on some of these these players like Victor wibin Yama

938
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,719
being the twenty fourth most graded athlete in ps A

939
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:10,360
history is a little frightening considering meds or you know, so,

940
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,400
uh we talked about overproduction or things along those lines before,

941
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:19,000
but uh, people jump all in on his rookies, and it's, uh,

942
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,320
it's it's an interesting prospect because if they turn out

943
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:27,400
to be Greg Oden or Zion Williamson still okay players,

944
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:34,280
Uh there having get to that, So it's it's it's scary.

945
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree, and well, yeah, one of these

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guys could tear their a c L They could never

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be the same.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean Anthony Richardson, I don't think anybody knows

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what he's going to turn into. I mean he flashed

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last year and then you know he's having.

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Speaker 2: I won't collect him just because of the size of

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his signature. He's got a signature that three be fun.

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It's the most annoying thing in the world.

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Speaker 3: Fill the page, play a joke on us. He just

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keeps making it smaller.

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Speaker 1: That's really funny, Mike Petty laughing, laughing at The twenty

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fourth highest graded player is women Yama another nickname guy

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like like Zion. Yeah, I mean, you know some of

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those guys, they just they almost go viral with their

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cards where everybody's grading every base card and everything else.

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So all right, well we're almost on the home stretch here, Chris,

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what are you hoping to get done at the show

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this weekend? Submissions? Answer? Take care of problems, all your normal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's really fun going, Statesmen going, so

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you can see where we're going to be at next

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at p S a card dot com show, doing a

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lot of in store event and the reason why people

968
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just don't putting their cards in the mail and also

969
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just have a lot of questions about all the different

970
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services offer to check you. So holding people into the process,

971
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if you can get someone through the grading process once,

972
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it's very easy for them going forward. So we're investing

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a lot in getting out in front of collectors and

974
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trying to help them navigate the grading landscape. Because, as

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we talked about earlier, having your collection slabbed in particular

976
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for insurance helps a ton because they know what condition

977
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it was in, what grade it's in, and there's comps

978
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on what that item is. There's replacement values for those

979
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types of things if you do ever suffer a loss.

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So it's been great to see. I just love seeing people.

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You know, they'll actually try to tip me sometimes, but

982
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it's not to get a good grade. It's because they're

983
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so happy that they finally have someone that's going to

984
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walk them through the process and help them get their

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first cards credit. So we love that. And I know

986
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it can be intimidating walking up to a grating company

987
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sometimes at a show, but we have some of the

988
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friendliest staff you'll ever meet. So definitely, if you see

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PSA at a show or a shop stop, I say hi.

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And if you've got questions, We've got answers, so happy

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to help with any of that.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. And Bertie, are you opening anything new or looking

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forward to anything.

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Speaker 3: I just did find some new Prism we Blasters Crusade

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Baseball which I'm going to upload that. That was a

996
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fun video, cool product. And tonight I'll be watching some

997
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college football Illinois, Penn State take the spread for Illinois

998
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it's way too high, and gold Bulldogs take down the tide.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm not a Penn State fan, so

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I'm rotting with you.

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Speaker 2: Bertie.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, guys, I really appreciated getting through episode three eighteen today.

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It was a lot of fun. Thank you to the

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chat room as always fantastic and we I'm not sure

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who's on next week, but it'll be three new faces

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and every other every week on Benchclar Media and then

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releasing follow later in the week on Hobby Hotline on

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all of the social media there, Chris Brodie, Danny, We're out.

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Speaker 2: Thanks CAUs