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Speaker 1: is Tim Duckworth. It is Monday, October thirteenth, four thirty
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Speaker 1: rec we have a new purple Jacket winner and it
Speaker 1: is David Coleman. Coleman opened the series with a win
Speaker 1: in the million Dollar Showcase, took home two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars, and then he bookended the series with
Speaker 1: a second place in the twenty five K finale. Don't
Speaker 1: remember how much that was for, but good amount of
Speaker 1: change there. He did a little bit of a deal
Speaker 1: with Brandon Wilson. They did some shopping when they got
Speaker 1: heads up, but still played for the win. Brandon Wilson
Speaker 1: five there you go. So he cast for what six
Speaker 1: fifty total? Yeah, pretty much, okay, crusher. He had another
Speaker 1: cash in there somewhere in the middle of the series,
Speaker 1: not a final table, but that that extra cash was
Speaker 1: probably enough to, you know, kind of give him that
Speaker 1: sort of boost. Four n ninety two points total from Coleman.
Speaker 1: He had one win, he had three cashes. Now he
Speaker 1: is still outside the top forty of the season long
Speaker 1: leader board, but those four hundred and ninety two points
Speaker 1: did really boost him up quite nicely. He's got seven
Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen points on the season right now, number
Speaker 1: forty and the top forty get into the PGT Million
Speaker 1: Dollar Championship. Right now, Number forty is nine oh two.
Speaker 1: And I believe it's Patrick Leonard. It is who's backs Vegas?
Speaker 2: Is he gonna come play?
Speaker 1: I mean he's been talking about it. He didn't you
Speaker 1: see his didn't you see his ID? But his story
Speaker 1: that said, like, this is the Blagio, this is where
Speaker 1: I go visit Crazy Mike. This is Aria, That's where
Speaker 1: PLO is. This is the Blagio, this is Aria behind Aria,
Speaker 1: that's poker Go, the best arena in the world. That's
Speaker 1: what he was that's that was his story. So he
Speaker 1: also said that he was he has a dog, Sandro
Speaker 1: he said development I don't know, but he said he's
Speaker 1: going to bring his dog to the studio and make
Speaker 1: it the Prince of poker Goro is.
Speaker 2: What he said. Prince.
Speaker 1: I don't know last time there was a dog in
Speaker 1: here at bit someone so we might we might not
Speaker 1: want to go down that route. But anyway, Patrick Leonard
Speaker 1: is number forty, but he's going to be out here
Speaker 1: for the pgt PLO series. I'm guessing he's going to
Speaker 1: be out here for the stretch that is it was
Speaker 1: PGT PLO. There's the Fall Classic is at the win
Speaker 1: right now. Now it all leads into November. You got
Speaker 1: an apt Las Vegas. You have obviously the win in December.
Speaker 1: Pads also said he mentioned the win, he like showed
Speaker 1: it down, but he was like bad things happened there.
Speaker 1: Like he's like, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know where he lost these possible.
Speaker 1: He was talking about all the the women that are
Speaker 1: walking to the Encore Beach Club right next to the pokeron.
Speaker 2: I mean it's to males. We shouldn't say it's annoying.
Speaker 2: But we were both there this weekend. Last weekend, it
Speaker 2: was annoying.
Speaker 1: I don't find it annoyed because it doesn't distract me.
Speaker 2: There was don't annoy you, Like I'm just loud. I
Speaker 2: even had my AirPods in it, and I could still
Speaker 2: hear it through my AirPods.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I guess used to it by now,
Speaker 1: so I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily I'm more defin than you, so it
Speaker 2: should bother me less.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I play more there, so I'm I think
Speaker 1: I'm just used to it. There was a player at
Speaker 1: my table who was trying to persuade the floor staff
Speaker 1: that they should build a barrier so you can't see.
Speaker 2: Oh, you can't say, you know what I the Friday.
Speaker 2: You know they have three rows at the very off topic,
Speaker 2: and you know they have the three rows of tables,
Speaker 2: like row the thirties, the forties, of the fifties. I
Speaker 2: was seen in the thirties, which is closest to all
Speaker 2: the women go but the rose forties and.
Speaker 1: Pans men's let's be barely it's meant too.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's barely any men, But like, why did they
Speaker 2: see this? Like I know it might not make that
Speaker 2: much of a difference, but like, why not see this
Speaker 2: in the fifties, so where like, yeah, I get it
Speaker 2: further away, less decimated.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a lot of people that like the eye candy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I don't know, Sean. The
Speaker 1: only thing that I when I watched those people, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I used to do that. I don't know how I
Speaker 1: did that. Like it makes me like feel like I
Speaker 1: feel like horrible inside watching the drunk people. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can never.
Speaker 2: Do someone on the day. And I said when I
Speaker 2: was younger, because we're both old now, I never went.
Speaker 2: I think I've been to one pool party. It's never
Speaker 2: interested me. Like the heat and the music and the alcohol.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like it was a good mix going
Speaker 2: on to the class. Obviously you and I did that fair
Speaker 2: bit when we were younger, but the pool just never
Speaker 2: interested me. I just I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just talking about, you know, the stumbling around
Speaker 1: a casino drunk off your ass, like all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. I just I can't really get into it anymore.
Speaker 1: And it's it's a big base turn of that to
Speaker 1: not lots of money, like.
Speaker 2: What number to get as drunk as possible.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have to be a ton of
Speaker 1: money to get drunk. I don't drink. I haven't drink
Speaker 1: seven years, so I don't even know. I can't even function.
Speaker 1: Fifteen dollars, no fucking it's gotta be a big, big number,
Speaker 1: five figures for sure.
Speaker 2: Five. I think that would be less than that.
Speaker 1: But no way am I getting No, No, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm not doing it for less than ten
Speaker 1: k I'm not percent And that might sound stupid and.
Speaker 2: Don't find me dot com slash Donnie gets drunk.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not. I'm not doing it like it's
Speaker 1: just it's just it's it's it's off torture. Yeah, absolute
Speaker 1: freaking torture. So David Coleman won the twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: Poker Master's Purple Jack and he also got a twenty
Speaker 1: five KPGT passport as a bonus prize after he won.
Speaker 1: I did speak with him for about three or four minutes.
Speaker 1: So let's listen to this interview right now with David Coleman,
Speaker 1: and then we'll come on back on the other side. Here.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, There you have it, guys. David Coleman your Poker
Speaker 1: Masters Champion.
Speaker 3: Well good, thank you. Feels amazing. Yeah, extremely grateful. Just
Speaker 3: a good run of cards against amazing competition, and it's
Speaker 3: really anyone's getting in these things, like it's just a
Speaker 3: matter of how the cards go. But uh, yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel very comfortable here. I've been playing here for a
Speaker 3: while now and see the same faces over and over,
Speaker 3: so nothing really surprises me the way people are playing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just honestly, it's just insane how lucky
Speaker 3: I've been recently. So I'm extremely grateful this tournament. It
Speaker 3: was the most I've ever had like ulterior considerations during
Speaker 3: the tournament like that I have any tournament ever played.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was definitely in the back of my mind.
Speaker 3: You kind of saw it in the Queen Queen hand
Speaker 3: I had against Brandan's Open, which honestly think it's kind
Speaker 3: of like a okay to spot the flat even without
Speaker 3: like the considerations for the jacket, so I just flatted.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was definitely in the back of my mind,
Speaker 3: like I said, more so than it's ever been usually.
Speaker 3: I just played poker like I you know, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to make most money always, but you know, there's some
Speaker 3: considerations to try to win the tournament. But yeah, this
Speaker 3: was it was interesting dynamic for sure. I was really
Speaker 3: anti sweating Doug at the end there, and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: just super grateful when Yeah, I'm a pretty like reasonably
Speaker 3: emotional guy, so like, yeah, I definitely get visibly frustrated sometimes,
Speaker 3: but I've just been playing this game so so much
Speaker 3: for the last ten years that my experience kind of
Speaker 3: overwhelms the emotion most of the time. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: crazy what was going on yesterday. I was just making
Speaker 3: huge hands and it felt like the decks were rigged.
Speaker 3: I was joking about it, but uh yeah, it was
Speaker 3: a wild stretch there, Like as we were approaching the money,
Speaker 3: I was only planning and playing maybe a handful of
Speaker 3: the PLL, but I'll probably play all of them now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would love to play the free role play. The
Speaker 3: last year. It was a great tournament. It's an honor
Speaker 3: to be in there. So yeah, I'm definitely gonna fire
Speaker 3: hard the rest of the year. I mean, I was
Speaker 3: already planning and playing most of No Limit, but I'll
Speaker 3: probably play with all the people now. But yeah, it's
Speaker 3: been a hell of a ride.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no regrets whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I feel extremely blessed, extremely grateful for playing this game
Speaker 3: for a living that I love so much, because like,
Speaker 3: ID never worked the day in my life. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's incredible. It's a dream. I get to travel
Speaker 3: the world and play the game that I love and.
Speaker 2: See all these cool places.
Speaker 3: And hang out with my friends all the time. This
Speaker 3: is awesome, maybe the happiest day of my career. It's
Speaker 3: an honor, especially do it in my backyard.
Speaker 2: Here, all right.
Speaker 1: That was David Coleman, once a nine to five, left
Speaker 1: his job, dove into poker. What did he do and
Speaker 1: now he or he is? I have no idea, probably
Speaker 1: some sort of finance or yeah something. I feel like
Speaker 1: he's that type of guy, like you know, investments or
Speaker 1: finance advisor, you know, something along those lines. So we'll
Speaker 1: ask him. We'll ask yeh, he should he should be
Speaker 1: playing all the PLO events.
Speaker 2: Well, he's the He said he was definitely now going
Speaker 2: to play the fives. Whether or not he gets a
Speaker 2: bit high, I think is gonna maybe depending how he's running.
Speaker 2: We not pay Alon gets expensive.
Speaker 1: PLO does get expensive. I just played the PLO satellite
Speaker 1: and busted and I'm listen, I am not a PLO expert.
Speaker 1: I think I can like kind of hold my own,
Speaker 1: you know a little bit. I mean that's questionable. But
Speaker 1: people play PLO way worse than people play hold like
Speaker 1: the bad like it's it's horrendous and PLO.
Speaker 2: Are you saying what the bad play is worse than
Speaker 2: the bad and Olema plays or do you mean the
Speaker 2: average PLO player.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, I think people generally like have a grasp
Speaker 1: on the concept to hold them Yeah, And PLO people
Speaker 1: are just like like wildly all over the place.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm saying that thinking that I'm
Speaker 1: also probably bad in a lot of spots, but like
Speaker 1: not as bad as all some of this stuff is
Speaker 1: like I don't even know what these people are doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're just they really are just gambling, and
Speaker 1: I just I don't think you need to gamble all
Speaker 1: that much. But you know, whatever it is, what it is,
Speaker 1: it's it's entertaining to watch, that's for sure, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna see plenty of it starting on Tuesday. The other
Speaker 1: event winners as it pertains to the twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: Poker Masters, so we already touched on Coleman. He won
Speaker 1: that Poker Master's Million dollars Showcase. Then we had Mike Zolker,
Speaker 1: then we had Andrew Moreno, then we had Darren Olias,
Speaker 1: then we had China Reim. Is that what we talked about.
Speaker 2: I think we discussed do we.
Speaker 1: Talk about foxing or do we not talk about fox in?
Speaker 1: Well fox and one of at number six, whether or
Speaker 1: not we talked about in the last episode, I forget,
Speaker 1: but he won it at number six two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy two thousand dollars Korea PGT title Yes, and we're
Speaker 1: going to get some more on Alex Foxon in a
Speaker 1: second number seven, Carrie Katz now wins it l Hefe
Speaker 1: win Ley won the fifteen K, the first fifteen K,
Speaker 1: there was two of them. Justin Saliba won the second
Speaker 1: fifteen K, and Justin Saliba had a great interview afterwards.
Speaker 1: He got emotional tears in his eyes, you know, very
Speaker 1: candid about everything and in the grind that is poker.
Speaker 1: That was absolutely incredible to see that emotion. I actually
Speaker 1: thought that all of the interviews that came out of this,
Speaker 1: we interviewed every winner, they were all incredible good. They
Speaker 1: were very, very very good, even.
Speaker 2: Even even carry Katz.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've tried to interview him before. He
Speaker 1: hits you with one word answers. He doesn't like being
Speaker 1: on video.
Speaker 2: But you said at the time when you finished, that's
Speaker 2: the best interview.
Speaker 1: That was the best interview so far for sure. And
Speaker 1: then you know, two events later, doesn't sleep. It just
Speaker 1: went and blew it out of the water. Brandon Wilson
Speaker 1: also interviewed him. He won the final events. As we mentioned,
Speaker 1: he did a deal with David Coleman. They ended up
Speaker 1: playing to a winner anyway, had some money left over,
Speaker 1: but Brandon Wilson for in sixty four thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: a win in that twenty five k all Things considered
Speaker 1: Fun series. Yeah, it was really good to have a
Speaker 1: pretty big sweat in terms of the numbers of players
Speaker 1: that were in contention for the purple jacket entering the
Speaker 1: final event, so that was good. Coleman had to finish
Speaker 1: I believe it was third, went on to finish second
Speaker 1: in that final event. You had Doug Lee at the
Speaker 1: final table. He was in contention as well, so there
Speaker 1: was a lot to play for you know, deep in
Speaker 1: the event, which is you know, really all we can
Speaker 1: ask for from a competition perspective when it comes to
Speaker 1: the race for the Purple Jacket. Alex Foxen was holding
Speaker 1: on to the lead in the race of the Purple
Speaker 1: Jacket for quite some time and then he just had
Speaker 1: to fade a whole bunch of people at the end
Speaker 1: and he did or sorry he didn't. Sorry my fault,
Speaker 1: he didn't. It got down to what was it. Dougley
Speaker 1: got third, Alex Foxon got second, Brandon Wilson got first.
Speaker 1: But once once it got to the final three, Boxon
Speaker 1: knew that he couldn't win anymore. Correct, Yeah, that was that.
Speaker 1: But as it relates to, Alex Foxon had a pretty
Speaker 1: good series, earned more than four hundred PGT points. He
Speaker 1: moved back up to the top of the PGT season
Speaker 1: long leader board. I believe he was at the top
Speaker 1: kind of towards the beginning of the season. Well he's
Speaker 1: back on top now. So the clear front runner for
Speaker 1: the PGT Player of the Year title. Along with that
Speaker 1: comes you probably get a trophy. Do you get a trophy?
Speaker 1: He does get a trophy, should get a trophy. It's
Speaker 1: a golf fight. There you go, you get a trophy,
Speaker 1: We'll try and get you on the cover of Card
Speaker 1: Player magazine, because that's what Jaremy Osmas was.
Speaker 2: That's the easy one.
Speaker 1: You get a fifty K PGT passport, You get that
Speaker 1: and you get to go into the PGT Championship then
Speaker 1: with the most chips another advantage, So a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff to play for as it relates to the PGT
Speaker 1: Player of the Year now. Also during the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five Poker Masters, Alex Foxen became the first player to
Speaker 1: record one hundred PGT caches, most all time in that category.
Speaker 1: He also got his tenth PGT title as Tim mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier when he won event number six, and Foxton is
Speaker 1: oh so close to ten thousand career PGT points. He
Speaker 1: is the leader in that category as well, could become
Speaker 1: the first to get to ten k. I would say
Speaker 1: he's a favor to do it during PGTPLO series, Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I mean, unless he's gonna be going somewhere and not
Speaker 1: playing in the entire series. But I would imagine he
Speaker 1: is going to play it and gonna probably do well
Speaker 1: because he's Alex Foxon. He's an absolute crusher. Another storyline,
Speaker 1: Doug Lee I mentioned how he got third place in
Speaker 1: that finale. Doug Lee is on the PGT heater of
Speaker 1: a lifetime like this is just unbelievable. I just published
Speaker 1: a story today on PGT dot com done by Sean Chaffin.
Speaker 1: He spoke with Doug Lee about his that he's been
Speaker 1: on on the PGT and it actually dates back to
Speaker 1: before the PGT the five kwpt Venetian event. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: got into that event, he finished I think in the
Speaker 1: top twenty for like thirty three K, and then he
Speaker 1: said that he was basically going to use those funds
Speaker 1: as like a quasi satellite to then play some PGT stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: he won a three hundred and eighty dollars satellite to
Speaker 1: PGT Venetian, finished third for one hundred and twenty K,
Speaker 1: one a satellite to the Pokemaster Showcase, finished sixth for
Speaker 1: forty nine K, played a couple other PGT events, ultimately
Speaker 1: gets into the twenty five K finishes third there for
Speaker 1: two hundred and something K. You know, he cashed for
Speaker 1: like five hundred and eighty thousand dollars or something total
Speaker 1: on this run on the PGT over the last you know, month,
Speaker 1: month and a half or so. Just absolutely incredible stuff.
Speaker 1: And again there is an article an interviewer feature story
Speaker 1: with Doug Lead that Sean Chaffin did on PGT dot com.
Speaker 1: Would highly encourage you guys go give it a read.
Speaker 2: I didn't spot him in the PLOS highlight today, did
Speaker 2: you say it?
Speaker 1: I didn't, And he said in that article that he
Speaker 1: does very well on satellites and he usually wins a
Speaker 1: seat seventy to eighty percent of the time. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if he plans on not playing PLO. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he doesn't play polo. I feel like
Speaker 1: he does it, don't.
Speaker 2: We ask him and he says, yeah, I'll be here.
Speaker 2: I'll be back for the payoffs. So maybe he's he's
Speaker 2: too rich for satellite Maybe he's too rich for satellites now.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's too rich for satellites now. You never know,
Speaker 2: but I hope he's back because it's been a crazy
Speaker 2: success story to see him go through it. So shout
Speaker 2: out to Doug Lee there. PGT leaderboard update. We got
Speaker 2: Alex foxon on top. As I mentioned, Michael mcrocky is second, Samsoveral, third,
Speaker 2: Nick Shulman, fourth, Chino Reem, Adam Hendrix, Daniel Legrando, Andrew Liechtenberger,
Speaker 2: John w Wasnock and Jesse Lonis. That's the top ten.
Speaker 2: Two of those players, Michael the Grinderbins Rocky and John Wasnock,
Speaker 2: who have a lot of history, first and second place
Speaker 2: in the WSP maon event currently not qualified correct Now
Speaker 2: they have two cashes, they need a third. Was Wasnock
Speaker 2: has been grinding. I don't know if he plays PLO.
Speaker 2: I asked him. He said no.
Speaker 1: He was in Texas for the WPT of any Keep
Speaker 1: Run there. I think he got thirty third, thirty six
Speaker 1: or something like that. So he's out there grinding. He's
Speaker 1: out there chasing, you know. I know he did shoot
Speaker 1: us a message about when the True Classic res to
Speaker 1: Rich's event is, So I would guess we're going to
Speaker 1: see him there, I would an apt, Yeah, maybe an apt.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's I feel like it's a
Speaker 1: little bit steeper price point than he might normally play.
Speaker 1: But you know, the ten K should be okay, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's a couple of ten k's on there that
Speaker 1: that should be all right. Miss Rocky, I mean, who
Speaker 1: knows he can pop in here every now and then.
Speaker 2: He played one of the Bounty Blitz series and now
Speaker 2: he's been driving of Ben Lamb all around the world and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a Venetian too.
Speaker 2: He's then he was back leadership in Monda Jane and
Speaker 2: I Bounty Tournament the other week and playing cash games.
Speaker 2: So look, he knows, he knows what he needs. We
Speaker 2: kind of talked to him during the Heads Up Championship.
Speaker 2: He's aware of the schedule. He's obviously very close with
Speaker 2: some people that play here frequently, such as China reems,
Speaker 2: such as Jad Blessnik. So I would expect, you know,
Speaker 2: especially Blaz to probably convince him to come play some
Speaker 2: of these PLO events. And if we see Blaz, if
Speaker 2: we see Blaz for the five k s, which you
Speaker 2: never know with him, probably send him, Probably give him
Speaker 2: a little nudge, be like, hey, don't forget grinder needs
Speaker 2: one more Yeah, you know, try and get him down
Speaker 2: to play some events and make a run at winning
Speaker 2: another PGT title for the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I think both of them will
Speaker 1: probably get it the third cash I mean, they're just
Speaker 1: they're grinding a lot of the stuff they're out there playing,
Speaker 1: so we'll see. It would be it would be great
Speaker 1: to have them both in there, you know. I think
Speaker 1: they've at least was not gonna certainly put in the volume.
Speaker 1: You know, Ms Rocky had the big summer, right, maybe
Speaker 1: not the same sort of volume that some of the
Speaker 1: other players on the PGT have put in, but you
Speaker 1: know we could see him getting was.
Speaker 2: They played, He catched the Venetian Maine, paid a couple
Speaker 2: of he played the Showcase, played the next five K,
Speaker 2: and I think he played the first ten k at
Speaker 2: pokem Masters. So definitely playing a bunch of events to
Speaker 2: try and get that third cash. But yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: hopefully he does get it.
Speaker 1: Anything else on the PGT, lootle words stick out to you.
Speaker 1: I feel like I said, I feel like mcgran who
Speaker 1: he's in seventh place. He's been quiet. Yeah he's tumbled
Speaker 1: a couple of spots, but he's back.
Speaker 2: He'll be back for the PLO. You know, just outside that,
Speaker 2: you know that top ten where Kristen Foxon moved back
Speaker 2: up with a couple of people like Mike Zulker who
Speaker 2: you mentioned, you know, move up from that low forties.
Speaker 2: He's now seventeenth. You've obviously got some players, you know,
Speaker 2: tumbling down that didn't have a great didn't have a
Speaker 2: good Poker Masters or didn't attend, and now you know
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the PLO series coming up.
Speaker 2: Some of those guys with those big PLO scores earlier
Speaker 2: in the year at PGT PLO series and at the
Speaker 2: World series that have tumbled down because they don't play
Speaker 2: really much else and this is their chance to you know,
Speaker 2: to creep back up, shoot back up into that top forty,
Speaker 2: or even make a run. You know, look at say
Speaker 2: Dylan Lindy sitting in eighteenth, the Tyra Guerrero sitting at forty,
Speaker 2: to make a run into the top ten, try and
Speaker 2: lock up their seat, you know, so they don't have
Speaker 2: to play anything else if they really don't want to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Sean Rafael, I've go here, Mickey Dueck
Speaker 1: as well. Richard Rico. You know he's in thirty fifth
Speaker 1: right now. I would assume he's going to be out
Speaker 1: here for the PGT PLO series. Somebody like a Matthew
Speaker 1: Woman who's currently.
Speaker 2: In forty first right on that fringe.
Speaker 1: I mean he's technically tied with Patrick Leonard.
Speaker 2: Yeah he if it was if we called it today,
Speaker 2: he'd be in would give him as spot.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, but he's going to be out here
Speaker 1: playing all the plo. Yeah, you know, a very good
Speaker 1: PLO player, So you know, would expect him to be
Speaker 1: out here battling and we'll see how he goes. Ben
Speaker 1: Tolleran's another one, you know, currently forty nine, so right there,
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we'll see. Jason Kuhn is an interesting one.
Speaker 1: You know, he won the PGT Championship a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, I think twenty twenty two. You know, he
Speaker 1: hasn't done a ton on the PGT this year. He
Speaker 1: doesn't put in the biggest volume. He's basically a twenty
Speaker 1: five K plus player these days, and twenty five k
Speaker 1: might even be if he but he's got three cashes.
Speaker 1: He won the fifty K at the w SPF course
Speaker 1: that was a large chunk of his points. But he's
Speaker 1: fifty third, you know, he's less than one hundred points
Speaker 1: outside of the top forty. I would expect we see
Speaker 1: him for the twenty five Kpolo Finale and the hunter
Speaker 1: K Polo Super High Roll Level.
Speaker 2: I also expect him to play every PGT qualifying event
Speaker 2: at the NAPT loss mainly do obviously. So he's partnership
Speaker 2: with pocusas that being a pokusas Brandon event, you know,
Speaker 2: even the ten k, which may be out of his
Speaker 2: you know, buy and range. Yeah, he'll he'll, he'll probably play.
Speaker 1: All he he'll probably play the I mean not that accounts,
Speaker 1: but the five k in there, I would imagine he's
Speaker 1: in that. So yeah, you know, he's someone who you know,
Speaker 1: being a prior PGT champion and you know, I would
Speaker 1: love to see him get back in there once again.
Speaker 1: And then two names kind of not by coincidence that
Speaker 1: I'm mentioning these two because they all kind of roll together,
Speaker 1: Seth Davies and Jeremy ols is not far behind him.
Speaker 1: You know, Jeremy olism was reigning PGT Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: reigning PGG Championship winner. He's started to really pick up
Speaker 1: the pace in terms of like putting up bigger scores.
Speaker 1: He has a ton of cashes six sixteams. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like the big scores have him been coming. He's got
Speaker 1: and eighty eight points right now.
Speaker 2: He's made seven Finnel tables. Only two of those final
Speaker 2: tables he's finished in the top three. Yeah, so he's
Speaker 2: definitely falling short of those big point opportunities. He's putting
Speaker 2: in that work. So you know, he's got the PLO series,
Speaker 2: he's got an APT, he's got a lot of events
Speaker 2: coming up that are really gonna be in his wheelhouse
Speaker 2: for him to make that run it. You know, probably
Speaker 2: can't catch Alex fox is gonna take a lot of work,
Speaker 2: but hey, at least getting to the championship to try
Speaker 2: and to fan you know, that title at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure anyone's gonna be able to catch Foxing.
Speaker 1: I mean he's got I mean, he's got a little
Speaker 1: bit over six innerd point lead over Sam so Overell,
Speaker 1: and I bring him up because I think Sam Silver
Speaker 1: is going to put in more volume than Michael mssjauki
Speaker 1: in second place. So not that Miss Rocky, couldn't you know,
Speaker 1: let's say come in for I don't know, the twenty
Speaker 1: five kp'll win the damn thing and then he's got
Speaker 1: a boat a little points. I mean that could obviously happen,
Speaker 1: But you know, Sam Soverll, Nick Shulman, China Reim Adam Hendrix,
Speaker 1: you know they're going to put in volume. So if
Speaker 1: they have some sort of crazy late surge, I mean
Speaker 1: it could happen. These guys all have a lot of
Speaker 1: success this year on the PGT. You know, Shulman is
Speaker 1: somebody who I feel like it's it's only a matter
Speaker 1: of time before Nick Shulman wins a series title. I
Speaker 1: can also say the same thing for Alex fox and
Speaker 1: Alex Foxen was so close with the jacket and then
Speaker 1: you know, he had to just fade things in the
Speaker 1: final event ultimately didn't get it. But you know, Foxing
Speaker 1: and Shulman one of the best players on the PGT
Speaker 1: of all time in terms of like cashes, money won,
Speaker 1: earning points, finishing in the top forty, if not you know,
Speaker 1: the top fifteen, top ten, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Shulman got second the championship event to Ozma's last season.
Speaker 1: Like you know, they are always, always, always just one
Speaker 1: of the best players, one of the best competitors on
Speaker 1: the PGT, but they don't have them like a series title. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have individual tournament trophies, but they haven't like one USPO,
Speaker 1: they haven't won even like the mixed games. They haven't
Speaker 1: won Poker Masters, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So there's any four players that have multiple series titles.
Speaker 2: Shau went to China Rabe saving she'd wake David patis
Speaker 2: the most top five finishes from any playout not named
Speaker 2: Alex Chino rem got two wins, two thirds, two fourths
Speaker 2: Alex Series in the series. Yeah, series leaderboards, Alex Foxon
Speaker 2: two seconds, three thirds, a fourth and two fifths. There's
Speaker 2: eight top five finishes in series leaderboards. But yet, obviously
Speaker 2: to break through to get that, I still.
Speaker 1: Wish we did the Grand Slam idea or the Triple
Speaker 1: Crown idea.
Speaker 2: I wish we did it.
Speaker 1: I wish we had a bonus for that.
Speaker 2: Find us some more money and we'll creative bonus.
Speaker 1: I don't need I don't need to find more money.
Speaker 1: I need to reallocate current money. Okay, that's what That's
Speaker 1: what you have, all right, So I guess that's kind
Speaker 1: of enough PGT talk. You guys can obviously check everything
Speaker 1: out at PGT dot com. There's a leaderboard page. We
Speaker 1: got the PGTPLO series starting on Tuesday, October fourteenth. There
Speaker 1: are ten events there. We're going to get into that next,
Speaker 1: but of course you guys can follow along with everything
Speaker 1: on at PGT dot com and then the final three
Speaker 1: final tables from the series will be live streamed on
Speaker 1: poker Go PGTPLO series. Why don't you, why don't you
Speaker 1: tell us what we got? We're going to play some plo.
Speaker 1: So it's called the PILO series. And you know this
Speaker 1: is pretty much copy pay schedule of March.
Speaker 2: Players loved it, got no complaints, So say hey, let's
Speaker 2: run this back ten events binds ranging from fifty one
Speaker 2: hundred all the way up to twenty five two hundred.
Speaker 2: We made one change. We switched the five eventus. A
Speaker 2: five was a five K PLO progressive bounty. We switched
Speaker 2: that to a quadra. Now we saw a lot of
Speaker 2: success during the bounty series and a lot of favorable
Speaker 2: responses about the quatro. So, for you guys at home,
Speaker 2: the top the twenty five the final twenty five percent
Speaker 2: of the field gets paid and gets paid equal share
Speaker 2: of the bounty. So in this case, five K, two
Speaker 2: thousand dollars allocated to the bounty prize. Fool from me, gentry.
Speaker 2: So once we get to that final twenty five percent,
Speaker 2: everyone's going to win a K for every knockout. You know,
Speaker 2: it basically means that when you boss, if you or
Speaker 2: you enter late, none of the money out of price
Speaker 2: Pol's gone. It's all reserved for once registration's closed. That's
Speaker 2: kind of an important part of the bounties. Obviously there
Speaker 2: is a place for progressive bounties in PLO and Mystery
Speaker 2: Bounie's same kind of concept. Money isn't taking out of
Speaker 2: the prize punto registration's close. So yeah, that's the one
Speaker 2: change we're doing this year. We're doing quadro Bownie as
Speaker 2: event too, but yeah, I'm looking forward to it. It's
Speaker 2: it is one of our most heavily attended series. You
Speaker 2: got people coming from all walks of this world looking
Speaker 2: forward to just yeah, just trying to hit some big numbers.
Speaker 2: Last sees opening event. So March is opening about one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty four entrants, then one fifty nine fifty nine,
Speaker 2: so that kind of shows the popularity you know of
Speaker 2: part limit Omaha, and that was in March when we
Speaker 2: were missing a substantial amount of players. So you know, hey,
Speaker 2: if we can get at least one fifty to open
Speaker 2: the series this year, the record we have is two
Speaker 2: hundred in that first event. Don't think we'll get that.
Speaker 2: There is a competing PLO series over in Europe. At
Speaker 2: me right now, let's go to see some players.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I look through the chip couns because
Speaker 1: they are doing updates on dot com, and uh, I
Speaker 1: didn't recognize any names that I feel like would miss
Speaker 1: this series.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, I.
Speaker 1: Mean maybe there's a couple in there that I missed.
Speaker 1: I I did a quick glance last night. Where the
Speaker 1: where where are the updates dot com?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like they it's called like the ten K Championship or whatever.
Speaker 2: That Grand Slam Malta. Yeah, undress, No, he hasn't played here.
Speaker 1: He hasn't played here. M on. No, I mean there's
Speaker 1: names I recognized, but there's there's no no one that
Speaker 1: I've I would know, is.
Speaker 2: No regular for the P So I.
Speaker 1: Agree, I didn't see I didn't see Latar Guerre, I
Speaker 1: didn't see Yoni. You can mine like you know.
Speaker 2: I expect all those guys to be playing this Ye.
Speaker 1: No, I know, but I'm saying like I could have
Speaker 1: saw them because that that is also that's pretty time,
Speaker 1: pretty well, that's timed pretty well coming off of EPT Malta.
Speaker 1: So it's you know for some big PLO players, some
Speaker 1: big players in general. That's there's a decent little swing
Speaker 1: between EPT Malta. A lot of high buying stuff there,
Speaker 1: and then obviously this Grand Slam series.
Speaker 2: People I see here that you no have this three people.
Speaker 2: I say on the butto of the player, because I
Speaker 2: me Yankov, He's played a lot of events. Leonard Yanovski,
Speaker 2: he played the last series. That was his first time.
Speaker 2: Robert Cohen hasn't been here for a little while, but
Speaker 2: we talked during the summer. I tried to be like,
Speaker 2: can you come back, and he's like, just hasn't tied
Speaker 2: well in the recent years. So he said, I'm going
Speaker 2: to try this, yere, but I can't promise any thing.
Speaker 2: So if we can get those three, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: they'll make a run for the second half of the
Speaker 2: week when the Bayans kick up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they make a run for the second half
Speaker 1: of the week. Maybe they do the second half plus
Speaker 1: Super High roll Little PLO, you know, something like that.
Speaker 1: That would be great to see. Speaking of Super High Rollerball, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's gonna be a big event too, Yes
Speaker 1: it is. Once again, butting right up to everything, I mean,
Speaker 1: do you expect a big turnout there? Like, what what
Speaker 1: do you expect? Super High Rollable PLO.
Speaker 2: First year Jared Bosnik top to thirty eight entrant field.
Speaker 2: The following year we made some changes, including day two
Speaker 2: entry slash re entry. We had set Davies topping forty
Speaker 2: two entrants, so I would like to at least beat
Speaker 2: forty two. I think forty five is a good number
Speaker 2: to aim for. Don't want to get too carried away,
Speaker 2: so let's get eighty. I know a couple of players
Speaker 2: not attending. So there's a couple of entrants.
Speaker 1: Who who is not Who do we have to yell at?
Speaker 2: Eljefe himself? Carry Katz's not attending? God, Brent Kenny not attending.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine not attending your own tour?
Speaker 2: He has something, it's busy. It's his words.
Speaker 1: Like I said, could you imagine not attending your own tour,
Speaker 1: especially when you need points? He does need especially when
Speaker 1: you need points.
Speaker 2: Those who are not attending, and you know they have
Speaker 2: played every year. So that's two entries gone back. Look,
Speaker 2: it's been trending up, Pelow in general around the world
Speaker 2: trending up. So let's hope we get you know, the
Speaker 2: same field plus a few new entrants. We got some
Speaker 2: maybe some new people traveling variance falls our way. You know,
Speaker 2: if you know in the way of re entries, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Hopefully the satellite. You know, the previous years, the satellite
Speaker 2: is yielded to two seats each time, so maybe this
Speaker 2: year we can get that to three. Let's see how
Speaker 2: that goes. But yeah, it's going to be a good event,
Speaker 2: biggest buying PLO event in the world along. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's shared, they're buying shared with people. But we were
Speaker 2: the first.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's smart Lewis Spence.
Speaker 1: Well, at least you can drop him. Then Bob's current teams.
Speaker 1: So Tim and I did a draft of five players
Speaker 1: each to start the second half of the PGT season.
Speaker 1: After every season we do a little kind of weird
Speaker 1: like you can drop one player, add one you got
Speaker 1: a lock too, then you can possibly switch with someone
Speaker 1: on the other team. PhD points are the scoring. My
Speaker 1: team right now is Jeremy Osmons, Jeremy Becker, Nick Shulman,
Speaker 1: Sam Laskowitz, and Andrew Lichtenberger. Yeah, you have China reemsams overall,
Speaker 1: John Reard and Michael Burke and Lewis Spencer.
Speaker 2: Did Michael Burke do with the pokemosis? He's letting me? Damn?
Speaker 1: He didn't play like the second half of it. I
Speaker 1: have eleven hundred and forty five points. You have seven
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven. So I'm up a bit there.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm up four hundred and whatever, four oh
Speaker 1: seven to four eight. We got to drop one and
Speaker 1: add one, and you're obviously behind, so you can go first,
Speaker 1: drop one together. Okay, you're dropping Lowis Spencer. Who are
Speaker 1: you adding?
Speaker 2: I have a lot of names to choose from. I
Speaker 2: have some intel, Oh god, intel no text message.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that means, but okay, I.
Speaker 2: Means I got tall. Someone's on their way here, So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take that person.
Speaker 1: The name better be phil Ivey.
Speaker 2: No, no, okay, it was going to be a player
Speaker 2: that was in the satellite. Okay, but I'm not going
Speaker 2: to take him. Okay, taking Michael juwek Oh, Mickey Dueck, Yeah,
Speaker 2: taking Michael Duk.
Speaker 1: So you're dropping Spencer.
Speaker 2: You get out of here, Louis Spencer. You have fake
Speaker 2: one day trip to Las Vegas. Fooled me, you bluffed me.
Speaker 2: I need to find.
Speaker 1: And Mickey duek okay, I'm going to.
Speaker 2: You have an easy jump thom See.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I do I have. It's between
Speaker 1: two people. I'm going to drop Sam Lasquez.
Speaker 2: We have both talked to Becca because that was the
Speaker 2: other person I think about him. I literally talked to
Speaker 2: him the other day, but he was like, may I
Speaker 2: may my, maybe I'll come Like, I don't think you're
Speaker 2: going to get a single buying Adelasquez. You may get
Speaker 2: one bullet out of Becker.
Speaker 1: I only I am going to get any out of Becker
Speaker 1: but for the vibe because he gives me ship every time.
Speaker 2: But he gives me ship.
Speaker 1: If not, jam Me, I am not dropping you for
Speaker 1: p l O. Please show up for the three five case.
Speaker 1: Please come on. It's it's four cards. If you need
Speaker 1: a crash course, it's not that difficult. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: These people play this game off.
Speaker 2: But they also getting for an APT.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, but Lasko, it's Fran but we're gonna do
Speaker 1: another drop another drop ad before an APT, so it's fine.
Speaker 1: So I can always add last back maybe unless you
Speaker 1: know you you do it. This one I think is
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of a gamble.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Actually it's not. I have to just I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to take Alex Fox. I have to take Alex Fox. Sure,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about taking somebody else.
Speaker 2: But here are you thinking? Because I'll tell you, Michael Wang, Oh,
Speaker 2: I was never on my list. Here were the people
Speaker 2: on my list? Yea, Dylan Weisman, right, because you're going
Speaker 2: to get you got to think about the hundred k
Speaker 2: and the two to twenty five case, right, Dylan.
Speaker 1: Alex Fox?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I think Actually Alex fants to fine
Speaker 2: U n you know Ronks you got uh Josh. I
Speaker 2: was one who I was leaning towards for a little while,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Grando's back, But is he back?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I couldn't tell you so,
Speaker 2: like I I he was on the very he was
Speaker 2: on the fire and is he back?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, has he been sitting on the
Speaker 1: sidelines for too much? I don't know. Man, you know
Speaker 1: it's hard, all right, you gotta lock two players and
Speaker 1: then I'll lock to I.
Speaker 2: Don't need to lock the guy. I dropped right away.
Speaker 1: No, No, Mickey Dueg and Alex Oxen are not involved
Speaker 1: in this next part of this.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna lock definitely. Okay, this is a gamble.
Speaker 2: He did just wait, Tom Bracelet right.
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 2: Maybe you think so?
Speaker 1: I mean if my list is correct with who the
Speaker 1: names are, then yes, I feel like.
Speaker 2: You order it is more likely to play the one
Speaker 2: hundred k than Chino would be. Right. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: lock King John.
Speaker 1: Okay, I I am locking. We know you're looking Osmas
Speaker 1: and Shulman. All right, so if you want to switch,
Speaker 1: you can switch with one of mine.
Speaker 2: I can switch any player.
Speaker 1: No, you can. You can either take Jeremie Becker or
Speaker 1: Andrew Lichtemburger and give me either China Ream or Michael Burke.
Speaker 2: I'll give you back, and I'll take Lucky CHOWI.
Speaker 1: Give you Burke and I'll This is so annoying.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to because Lucky che At least
Speaker 2: plays some PLO.
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 2: I don't think bucks see this is the whole switch
Speaker 2: thing is kind of I think, kind of silly, though,
Speaker 2: I don't know we should do the switch thing.
Speaker 1: No, it's great because.
Speaker 2: It's because you should just do the same thing back. Yea,
Speaker 2: but see what you know what?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to I mean, I'm Max Gamble
Speaker 1: with j Becks on my team, Max Gamble. I should
Speaker 1: switch Jamie Becker for China. I should. I hope the
Speaker 1: dear god Jeremy is listening to this movie. I hope, Jeremy.
Speaker 1: This is the dumbest thing I've ever done in fantasy.
Speaker 2: This is my chance.
Speaker 1: You better make it fucking count. But you better make
Speaker 1: it count, all right. So that's what we got. The
Speaker 1: new teams entering the PGT PLO series and Super High
Speaker 1: Rollable PLO are. I have Jeremy Osmas, Jeremy Becker, Nick Shulman, UH,
Speaker 1: Michael Burke, and I added Alex foxon UH, Tim has
Speaker 1: Chin o'reem Sam's over, John Riard and Andrew Lichtenberger, and
Speaker 1: he added Mickey Dueck. Tim's team for this series is
Speaker 1: way better than my team. But it doesn't matter because
Speaker 1: I got the big guns. I got Ozma's, I got Shulman,
Speaker 1: I got Alex Fox.
Speaker 2: Do you have a great team heading into n apt though?
Speaker 2: I have?
Speaker 1: I have stars and scrubs af.
Speaker 2: Wow, you just called it. Jeremy Becker a scrub.
Speaker 1: When it relates to PLO yes, okay on the grand
Speaker 1: scheme of things, no, But as it relates to PLO
Speaker 1: yes okay. All right, So that's that. That gets the
Speaker 1: PGT fantasy out of the way. As always, if you
Speaker 1: guys have any comments on on our fantasy teams, let
Speaker 1: us have it. Podcast at pokerro dot com is the email.
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Speaker 2: million doll the championship.
Speaker 1: I've said there you go, moving on, done with all
Speaker 1: the PGT talk. We're gonna switch it over to the WPT.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Shooting Star because it is back.
Speaker 1: They brought it back back to Bay one oh one.
Speaker 1: It is a fifty three hundred dollars championship event that
Speaker 1: runs well. The championship event itself runs October twenty fourth
Speaker 1: through twenty eighth. They are doing one of those weird
Speaker 1: things where the final table is in Las Vegas. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be either did I until I looked it up.
Speaker 1: I find the whole final table in Las Vegas. Think silly? Okay,
Speaker 1: And when it happened, I happened to be working for
Speaker 1: the WPT. I told them it was silly at the time.
Speaker 1: I still think it's silly. I mean, I know why
Speaker 1: they do it. Saves a lot of money to do
Speaker 1: it that way. In my opinion, you should be giving
Speaker 1: a lot more money back then to the WPT. To
Speaker 1: the players in in one way, shape or form if
Speaker 1: you're saving that much money. The one part that I
Speaker 1: found was a little bit weird with it is if
Speaker 1: you win that event, you get a seat to the
Speaker 1: WPT World Championship. But that final table takes place on
Speaker 1: December nineteenth, which is after the wt World Championship closes
Speaker 1: the registration, so it must.
Speaker 2: Be for next year. But yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but still that's like a little silly.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you want wouldn't you want all the WPT champions
Speaker 1: from this season in the WPT Championship event at the win?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Correct, I agree. I also thought this event was wasn't
Speaker 1: a seventy five hundred back in the day. Wasn't like
Speaker 1: a weird price point like that, because I think that
Speaker 1: was part of the bounty thing. Look look at that
Speaker 1: part of the look I went once, it's it's funny
Speaker 1: because it has it'll be interesting to see what it's
Speaker 1: like this year. You know, it's obviously being gone for
Speaker 1: a little while. Now it's back. But Bay one to
Speaker 1: one it was always one of those events where if
Speaker 1: you watched it on the old WPT broadcast, you saw
Speaker 1: and I'm about to talk about if you've ever been there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, where they're legit, dozens
Speaker 1: and dozens of fans like around the tournament area. Many
Speaker 1: of them have like binders of photos that they want
Speaker 1: you to sign, like it's it's pretty crazy, Like you
Speaker 1: don't see that anywhere, And it was apparent, you know,
Speaker 1: I saw it on the broadcast many times. I've seen
Speaker 1: you until media and whatnot. I was there once and
Speaker 1: I saw it.
Speaker 2: So it was a last one was seventy five hundred,
Speaker 2: but it has also been ten k as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so just that the fifty three hundred price
Speaker 1: point was a little bit. I thought it was different, right,
Speaker 1: and it is different. Yeah, So but that that's fine whatever.
Speaker 1: Fifty three hundred is still pretty hefty buying in today's world.
Speaker 1: So all good there, All right, So I was able
Speaker 1: to put together who I think is the full list
Speaker 1: of shooting stars. Now maybe I missed some, but let's
Speaker 1: let's hit on this list because I know that there's
Speaker 1: a lot that was always made of like people who
Speaker 1: got invited to the National Heads Up Poker Championship. Is
Speaker 1: there like the same I haven't seen it out there?
Speaker 1: Is there a lot of complaining about this too, like
Speaker 1: you didn't get invited as a shooting Star. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it personally.
Speaker 2: I no, I don't know. I haven't seen much. You know,
Speaker 2: you look at the list, you're going to go through.
Speaker 2: It stars is going to be an in better commas.
Speaker 2: But I don't think you. I think they're like funding
Speaker 2: these buyings, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I won't get into that. I've heard various things.
Speaker 2: I think they.
Speaker 1: That I have not heard anyone like getting a full
Speaker 1: buy that could I mean there could be people like that,
Speaker 1: you know, I just haven't heard that. It's it's a
Speaker 1: different offer, is what I've heard. But I mean you
Speaker 1: do get compensated in one way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to assume a lot of these guys
Speaker 2: seem to be stars, but I'm going to buy in themselves,
Speaker 2: and maybe they're getting like some hotel rooms.
Speaker 1: My first thought was this is wouldn't it be simple
Speaker 1: and also a perfect brand tie in that the Shooting
Speaker 1: Stars are all WPT champions?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 1: Like that's why wouldn't that just be it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: So then you reach out to all the champions, you say, hey,
Speaker 1: you can come out here, here's the offer whatever, and
Speaker 1: then you're trying to shoot a star and you're trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, take a bounty on a WPT champ. I
Speaker 1: think that that is a very nice brand, Mesh. Yes,
Speaker 1: let me read these names. Lonnie Huey, Angelo Jordison, Ari
Speaker 1: Engele Blair, Henkle, Cherish Andrews, Jared Jaffy, Jeff Mattson, Nick Rigby,
Speaker 1: Ronnie Bartos, Stephen Song, Turbo Win, Victoria liftsh It's China Raim,
Speaker 1: Chris Mormon, Esther Taylor, Jamie cursed Ter, Jesse, Lonis, Kathy Liebert,
Speaker 1: Mike Madison, Noah Schwartz, Toby Lewis, Tony as Loony and
Speaker 1: he won. I think like the they had like a
Speaker 1: qualifier tournament, not the shooting stars, but like the rising stars.
Speaker 1: I think he might have won that to get in.
Speaker 1: Tyler Patterson, James Carroll, Jeff Platt, David, Odi B. Baker,
Speaker 1: schwanlu Kenna, James, David Williams, Matt Salzburg, for Oz, Jocko,
Speaker 1: Shannon Shore, Adam Hendrix, Greig Mueller, Nicky Limo, Lily Coletto,
Speaker 1: Eric Linger and Kitty Quo, Chance Corneth, Frankie Kucciara Aka
Speaker 1: Frankie c Reniah, Nezradine, Jesse Yagaum Jose Canseco, Darren Olias,
Speaker 1: Tony Dunce, and Scott Stewart. Oh and Phil Helmyth was
Speaker 1: on my next page.
Speaker 2: Can thirteen champs?
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2: Whatever, Well, I think that's alas good that there's at
Speaker 2: least thirteen so champions.
Speaker 1: Initially I saw the list and now, listen, I had
Speaker 1: to go through like multiple Instagram posts to like put
Speaker 1: this list together. So if who I'm about to see
Speaker 1: is a shooting star and I missed it, forgive me,
Speaker 1: don't kill me. But first thing that jumps out, where's
Speaker 1: fal Ivey?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: One, he's a WPT champion? Great Two? Isn't he an ambassador?
Speaker 2: He's a Yeah club Doug Polk? Where's Doug Polk? Now?
Speaker 1: Of course this could Now this is like when when
Speaker 1: people said to us about national heads up, you know,
Speaker 1: where's Ivy, where's Helmuth, where's Negron?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: And you know scheduling conflicts whatnot, like like they could
Speaker 1: have certainly been like, hey, Phil, are you available? And
Speaker 1: he's like no, I can't, like we don't know all
Speaker 1: that information. But initially I say I don't see Falivey.
Speaker 1: I don't see Doug Polk, I don't see Brad Owen,
Speaker 1: I don't see Rampage, I don't see Wolfgang. All of them,
Speaker 1: all of them are ambassadors for WPT in one way
Speaker 1: shape for maybe it's a Club t Gold, maybe it's
Speaker 1: WPT Global, whatever it is, and I think that those
Speaker 1: would be big draws.
Speaker 2: It could be a marketing strategy that could be holding
Speaker 2: these guys until, like say, the week leading into it,
Speaker 2: to really create some more bucks.
Speaker 1: Okay, what I'll say to that is sorry to cut
Speaker 1: you off. But the last Instagram post that I saw
Speaker 1: was like this rounds out like the Shooting Stars, So
Speaker 1: it would tell me that it's done.
Speaker 2: Got it again?
Speaker 1: Maybe I missed these people in a post somewhere.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're on there, but maybe they were part of
Speaker 2: the original announcement. These ambassadors will be there, maybe stars
Speaker 2: to be announced. I don't know, but yeah, you would
Speaker 2: expect at least four of those five names to be
Speaker 2: locks to play. Obviously Ivy contradict, but like, I don't
Speaker 2: see why. You know, Paul can Owen, you know that
Speaker 2: would be there. Obviously, Rampage and Wolfgang same thing. So yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just like Gus. I'm just surprised to
Speaker 1: see that. I like having a nickery being there. I
Speaker 1: think that that's that's pretty great, you know. I do
Speaker 1: think so Scott Stewart is in there, so there is
Speaker 1: a name you're missing. I think I like having Scott
Speaker 1: Stewart in there. Obviously won the WG World Championship last
Speaker 1: a seven. Now what about Elliott Hudon who won the
Speaker 1: the first year, Like I would like to see him
Speaker 1: in there too.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, maybe they reach out to some of these people.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're in there, maybe they're not. Who are you
Speaker 1: looking for? Just tell me the final table, the main,
Speaker 1: the final table, the main?
Speaker 2: What year this year? No? Jared Jared mc guinea, Yeah,
Speaker 2: didn't because when he won his Bahamas seat, he said
Speaker 2: I'm not going. And then I swore I saw something
Speaker 2: on Twitter where it's like, okay.
Speaker 1: It was like I'm not going I'm going to wpt
Speaker 1: here yet.
Speaker 2: But then I saw they I swear I saw something
Speaker 2: where they announced him as a shooting style.
Speaker 1: See that's like that.
Speaker 2: This is why I'm on the I wish I wish
Speaker 2: I could just go to find the list, you know,
Speaker 2: Shooting Stars dot Com, WPT slash Shooting Stars or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I could just go to WPT dot
Speaker 1: com and I wish I could just click, you.
Speaker 2: Know, the event, and it has already has them in
Speaker 2: the chip counts or something.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is it. Jeff Platt, David Baker. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not going through all these there's all these different volumes.
Speaker 1: Bounty Spotlight volume one through it looks like ten on
Speaker 1: WPG dot com. That's a lot to go through.
Speaker 2: WPT October six. He will henceforth be referred to as
Speaker 2: WPT guy, Jaredman, Jennie and the newest WPT shooting st Casino.
Speaker 1: He's in there.
Speaker 2: So but like, yes, all the graphics I'm looking out
Speaker 2: of the same ones. You know you've named it at Jared, I.
Speaker 1: Guess, I mean, I'm not adding it's just a talking point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just thought it would be easier if you just
Speaker 1: had all the champions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I guess, what's the goal of the
Speaker 2: shooting stuff do you want people to have?
Speaker 1: I didn't have michaelmas Rocky on there, right, I didn't
Speaker 1: or did I know he's in there too? I believe
Speaker 1: I believe he was the first one announced. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: actually weirdly surprised not to see will Casoof.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, obviously he's very polarizing.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, Savage has kind of been talking about how,
Speaker 1: you know, the the wil Casus stuff. He I think
Speaker 1: in Cyprus they were he was talking about how he
Speaker 1: had like a sit down with him, like all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, so I thought, you know, maybe he
Speaker 1: gets an invite then, right. Also, I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of in vain with like the new brand positioning of
Speaker 1: WPT in that they're kind of trying to stir the
Speaker 1: pot at times, and.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's gonna stir the pot much more
Speaker 2: than then We'll miss Brian Altman.
Speaker 1: He's he's a crusher.
Speaker 2: Fweur time Champ, right, three time Champ.
Speaker 1: I think it's three, it's two or three. I mean
Speaker 1: obviously the biggest one with six out is phil Ivey,
Speaker 1: like I just thought he would be. I thought he
Speaker 1: would almost be announced as number one. It should, I mean,
Speaker 1: but again, maybe he has, you know, prior commitments or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll we'll hear about it that we're talking
Speaker 1: about it also on this you know, the the final
Speaker 1: table being moved to Las Vegas in December. Getting back
Speaker 1: to my point about like if anyone's ever been there,
Speaker 1: they know the atmosphere of this event. I think you
Speaker 1: really miss out on that moving it out of Bay
Speaker 1: one on one and putting it in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Does that mean you the skip playing the main event? Yeah,
Speaker 2: in Vegas it's fold day five.
Speaker 1: No, because the WPT World Championship here goes like whatever
Speaker 1: till the nineteenth, and then.
Speaker 2: There's not day day five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean whatever, they'll I'm sure they'll make some
Speaker 1: sort of accommodation here, it's obviously, and then that final
Speaker 1: table plays out on the twenty first, so I think
Speaker 1: I think we'll be okay there. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: that atmosphere there at Bay one on one was always
Speaker 1: one of the coolest, most electric atmospheres in any poker
Speaker 1: tournament not named the WSP main event, So, you know,
Speaker 1: removing it from that area I think is a little
Speaker 1: bit of a knock. But I am excited to see
Speaker 1: WPT Shooting Star back. It's it's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I do think wish that we would get you know,
Speaker 1: LAPC back, Blagio five, diamondback. I want those those marquee
Speaker 1: wpts to come back. I don't know if they ever will.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a sign of first ones to come,
Speaker 1: you know, but we'll see. And then, speaking of big
Speaker 1: marquee poker tournaments, WSP Europe just wrapped up. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: and I know why you're saying that, and I know
Speaker 1: why you're laughing. And I've I had many messages come
Speaker 1: my way saying like, hey, did you know what WSP
Speaker 1: Europe was happening. I think I've said this many times
Speaker 1: on this podcast or wherever, but I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: as tapped in as anyone in the industry. I was
Speaker 1: not aware WSP Europe was happening until I saw on
Speaker 1: social media that Martin Cabrell want to brace it, and
Speaker 1: that was like events into the schedule. I had no idea.
Speaker 2: I knew it was on. I just didn't really didn't
Speaker 2: care because I was following it from the start.
Speaker 1: But I mean, so that is that a problem.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Let me say first is that I don't really think
Speaker 1: numbers looked that down.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I looked at some of the numbers, they looked like
Speaker 1: they were all right, overall. Now the main event, it
Speaker 1: was eight seventeen in twenty twenty three, then it was
Speaker 1: seven sixty eight last year, and then this year was
Speaker 1: six fifty nine last year to this year. That's a
Speaker 1: fourteen percent decrease. So and also that trend of you know,
Speaker 1: dropping for two consecutive years. So yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 1: WSP Europe was like it was the w s AP,
Speaker 1: but it was like an ultra luxurious, high end model
Speaker 1: of the WSP. It was in a super high end location.
Speaker 1: You know, London was expensive to go to. They had
Speaker 1: it in can that was incredible, like you know, all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. The euro or the pound compared
Speaker 1: to the dollar made everything bigger. Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was just more luxurious, it was sexier. It was
Speaker 1: it was the designer brand WSP. And now I just
Speaker 1: I can't help but think in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: it's an afterthought and I I hate it because I
Speaker 1: love the doubis B Europe. I think it's so cool. Right,
Speaker 1: all that's happened with ws A P Europe this year.
Speaker 1: It also came with the fact that they are moving
Speaker 1: it next year. Yeah, moving two things, one location, two timeframe.
Speaker 1: They're going to be moving it from King's Casino and
Speaker 1: Rozudov to the Hilton Prague, which Prague is incredible to
Speaker 1: go to if you've been there for a poker tournament.
Speaker 1: But it is taking place March thirty first through April twelfth.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're the guy that you understand tournament schedules.
Speaker 1: I don't think better than anyone, So like, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about that time?
Speaker 2: So it's really bad?
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I will trust you. I initially saw
Speaker 1: that one. It's basically right on top of the Irish
Speaker 1: Poker Open, yeah, which is a very popular now it
Speaker 1: doesn't have the big big buy ins like w B
Speaker 1: Europe does, but still very very popular. That runs March
Speaker 1: twenty six through April sixth isn't this also right around seminal? Like,
Speaker 1: isn't there a seminal event?
Speaker 2: There's a few events. Okay. First thing we have to
Speaker 2: discuss is that, you know, I've never been to the
Speaker 2: Hilton Prague. You might be a very popular place, so
Speaker 2: convention space. This may be the only window they have.
Speaker 2: So if that is the case and so true, let's
Speaker 2: pretend it is not the only window they have going
Speaker 2: against the Irish Poke re Open is bad, especially if
Speaker 2: you're in a competing country right or continent right Europe. Now,
Speaker 2: if let's say the ASI millions will probably discuss what's
Speaker 2: happening and you went over the top of that, that's fine.
Speaker 2: You know, Australia Europe. Twenty four hour flight doesn't really
Speaker 2: matter the fact that you were a couple hours difference
Speaker 2: from a fly and you're really forcing people that live
Speaker 2: in Spain, England, Ireland everywhere in Europe to make a
Speaker 2: decision between you know, Irish Poke re Open, which is
Speaker 2: a very popular spot popular stop sorry, and WSP Europe
Speaker 2: is pretty tough. Now, what I will say is that
Speaker 2: looking at the schedules, it is likely that the WSP
Speaker 2: Europe Main event will start at the very tail end
Speaker 2: of Irish Poke Reperence, so meaning you can go play
Speaker 2: the Irish pokeer Open main event and then you can
Speaker 2: also play the WSP Europe Main Event, but that means
Speaker 2: you missed the first week of side events because they overlap. Here.
Speaker 2: For Americans, it's likely to be pretty safe that you
Speaker 2: can go to both Irish Poker Open is at this
Speaker 2: stage going to overlap a little bit of our plo series.
Speaker 2: That's fine. WSP Europe probably going to overlap a little
Speaker 2: bit of our US Poker Open. But for players, you know,
Speaker 2: it's expensive to play poker, so you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: make a choice whether you want to go WSP Europe
Speaker 2: because if you are American, like I said, you have
Speaker 2: a PLO series. If you're a Pelo player, you have
Speaker 2: our Usbro but something more affordable that kind of fits
Speaker 2: more with what WSP Europe do will do. Schedule wise,
Speaker 2: you have Seminal Hard Rock Poker Showdown. That main event
Speaker 2: starts April twenty fourth. You touched on kind of the
Speaker 2: dates for that. The Bourgade Spring Open and Why these
Speaker 2: guys Always like to Battle is another podcast for another
Speaker 2: day that overlaps the Seminal Hard Rock as well. That
Speaker 2: starts April twenty second. And if you're Australian, you know,
Speaker 2: Australians don't really travel that much anymore. But Buzzimillions coming
Speaker 2: back April twenty fourth, so there is a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff going on. You know, you got the Double Clash
Speaker 2: in Europe, you got the Double Clash Triple Clash kind
Speaker 2: of if you consider us too here in the USA,
Speaker 2: so it's really tough and like you could definitely if
Speaker 2: they had a lot more availability. You know what would
Speaker 2: have made sense to me. You just move WSP Europe
Speaker 2: a few weeks earlier, start of March. You can immediately
Speaker 2: follow EPT Paris and then you can lead You've got one, two,
Speaker 2: three to three in a bit weeks to run WSP Europe.
Speaker 2: Then you can go into the Irish Poke group. And
Speaker 2: then you don't jeopardize any field sizes. You don't force
Speaker 2: players to pick or choose. You're gonna have players come
Speaker 2: to Europe right and think about it. You know it's
Speaker 2: going to be if you're from the East coast something
Speaker 2: it's cold. You get to go to Paris in February
Speaker 2: March and then you can go to Prague and then
Speaker 2: you can go to Ireland. That seems like a pretty
Speaker 2: fun trip. So if they had moved it a month earlier,
Speaker 2: it would have been perfect. It would also been during
Speaker 2: the American spring break, which is you know, if you
Speaker 2: think if you're if you've got a family, you may
Speaker 2: take them a little trip to Prague. Not a bad
Speaker 2: idea too. So yeah, I hate the time slot. I'm
Speaker 2: assuming though, I'm going to say it right now, numbers
Speaker 2: will go up because I think you because people can
Speaker 2: play both the Irish proc ope at Maine and the
Speaker 2: WSP Europe main most likely that should be fine. New
Speaker 2: location is always going to be a trend up. Nothing
Speaker 2: super heavy competing with it here in America, but yes,
Speaker 2: if you've got a limit a bankroll, you're going to
Speaker 2: really have to pick or truths.
Speaker 1: I used to love when I want to say it
Speaker 1: was EPT London, then WSP Europe, then EPT Monte Carlo.
Speaker 1: We're like literally back to back to back, and you
Speaker 1: could you just traveled them like I would go for
Speaker 1: Poke News and we would just go to all of
Speaker 1: them like it was and maybe it was maybe it
Speaker 1: was EBTC and Remo, then WSP Europe, than Manco, whatever
Speaker 1: it was. It was like three three basically in a row.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think I think tours should look
Speaker 1: to do that more often. And that doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 1: that they need to be talking to one another, but
Speaker 1: seeing when stuff is on the schedule and then butting
Speaker 1: up against it, which I think we're seeing now with
Speaker 1: that that PLO series in Malta, you know, right on
Speaker 1: the tail end, butting up against EPT Malta, right, So
Speaker 1: you're very likely going to have some carryover, so I
Speaker 1: would like to see that with with some of these
Speaker 1: big series like this. I do think it's going to
Speaker 1: go up in attendance because I think Prague is going
Speaker 1: to be a better place to draw players. You know,
Speaker 1: we've just heard that roz would Off is a chore
Speaker 1: to get to and people don't want to go there,
Speaker 1: so I would imagine they want to go to Prague.
Speaker 1: I guess my one question coming out of this change
Speaker 1: in time is, so what's going to happen in the
Speaker 1: second half of the year. Are we going to run
Speaker 1: back another w SP Europe? Is it going to go
Speaker 1: somewhere else, you know, like because remember they had w
Speaker 1: SP Europe and WSP Asia Pacific you know, on either
Speaker 1: side of the WSP in the summer, like you know,
Speaker 1: now we have Paradise. So are are we going to
Speaker 1: have something or is it just going to be you know,
Speaker 1: springtime WSP Europe then the summer WSP. Then we're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait till December for WSP Paradise or
Speaker 1: is there going to be something in between WISP and Vegas.
Speaker 2: And WSB Paradise. You want to hear it first.
Speaker 1: I want to hear it first.
Speaker 2: WSP macaw baby, Are you serious? Yes, Okay, I feel
Speaker 2: like this move is perfect. I mean, if it is
Speaker 2: a macaw like not a thing in poker anymore. Fine, WSP, JJU,
Speaker 2: WSP Japan, WSP Asia Pacific. You know, obviously JJU is
Speaker 2: a spot that you know, a lot of the high
Speaker 2: rollers around the world, Americans Europeans have been before to
Speaker 2: play TRENT events. Obviously WSP have a partnership with Tridon.
Speaker 2: I could definitely see, you know, if you look at
Speaker 2: the September October schedule, the big event you obviously have
Speaker 2: is you have trying one into try and jdrew which
Speaker 2: is early September. Why couldn't you run trading jjrew straightened
Speaker 2: a WSP, you know, WSP Asia, whatever they want to
Speaker 2: call it, WSP JJRE or that Try and Stop is
Speaker 2: now has WSP events in it. So it's kind of
Speaker 2: like the opposite to Paradise, where there's a few trying
Speaker 2: events you kind of flip it, right, that's the deal,
Speaker 2: where so tryon is running and you have say three
Speaker 2: or four WSB Bracelet events, you know some of that.
Speaker 2: So I could see that definitely happening. You know, I've
Speaker 2: talked to people a WSP and we've kind of heard
Speaker 2: down the grapevine that you know, they want to expand
Speaker 2: they want to do more stops. So this, to me
Speaker 2: would make a lot of sense to more stops. Can
Speaker 2: you do? Man? You can do one every month easily.
Speaker 2: Like the circuit. You have the circuit.
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean is that the circuit is running.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes there's multiple circuit events happening at the same time.
Speaker 1: And like right now even on WSP dot com here
Speaker 1: in the States, they have their Bracelet series, and they
Speaker 1: have a circuit series, and they have what's called the
Speaker 1: online Championships all running simultaneously. I look in the lobby,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what's going on. Half the time,
Speaker 1: just just click enter and I mean basically I do.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's just it's just a lot, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like, can't we space all this out?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think they you know, need to, you know,
Speaker 2: like if it just like we had that conversation today
Speaker 2: about you know, winn and Venetian and everything that happens
Speaker 2: in Vegas, and there's there's stuff for us to choose
Speaker 2: all the time. We can go to South Point, we
Speaker 2: can go to the Horseshoe, we go wherever you want
Speaker 2: to play poker and get your fix. It's kind of
Speaker 2: up to you what you want to play or what
Speaker 2: place you like. And just because the WSP brand, I
Speaker 2: don't see why they can't do something similar and have
Speaker 2: you know at that those price points offer more and more. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're Sean Deep, yes you may be the guy
Speaker 2: that goes to all of them to bring those that
Speaker 2: bracelet count up. But if you're a josh Aiah, for example,
Speaker 2: you may just also be selective choose. I'm gonna choose Paradise.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna choose WSP Vegas, and I'm good with that,
Speaker 2: you know, So it's it's still personal choice. You kind
Speaker 2: of offer the market, and the market will tell you
Speaker 2: if there's a need there. Now, if they run try
Speaker 2: and JJ and it bombs, then they go, okay, that
Speaker 2: didn't work, kind of like Asia Pacific only the last
Speaker 2: two years. If you run WSP JJU and it crushes
Speaker 2: because everyone from Try and stays and more people come,
Speaker 2: then you keep it like you don't know until the
Speaker 2: market is going to tell you when you run.
Speaker 1: It yeah, I'm almost so interested if they ever go
Speaker 1: to Brazil, you know, I think that that could be
Speaker 1: massive for them. WSP Brazil, I think would be freaking enormous,
Speaker 1: And now I think you would.
Speaker 2: Can you play j there? I think so you should
Speaker 2: just yeah, you should run WSP wherever you can.
Speaker 1: That's kind of wherever you can play GG. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, that's you know, it makes sense. But as
Speaker 1: part of the series the spup that just wrapped up,
Speaker 1: we had Daniel Piden winning the SUP main Events one
Speaker 1: point four million euros, a former EBT Berlin winner in
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. I think he's finished in the top ten
Speaker 1: of EBT Berlin two other times. In addition to that
Speaker 1: EPT Berlin win. So crusher there Sean Deep won the
Speaker 1: twenty five KGG millions for his what's that eight that
Speaker 1: heat getting a little bit of flak from some people
Speaker 1: because it was only thirty eight thirty eight entries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but everyone.
Speaker 2: People gave shit to Ivy for winning the uh the
Speaker 2: mixed event in Australia that had something like that too.
Speaker 1: You yeah, I mean whatever, but that's part that's part
Speaker 1: of it, I understand.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: My stance is that you know, I know people say
Speaker 1: allline bracelets don't count. The only live ones count. These
Speaker 1: don't count if they only have certain players. Whatever my
Speaker 1: stance is and forever will be. If the operator says
Speaker 1: that they're bracelets, they're bracelets.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now we can debate if it's a good use of
Speaker 1: your trophy, which you know, we uphold as the most
Speaker 1: prestigious prize in the game, you know, or if we
Speaker 1: should you know, treat them a little bit better. We
Speaker 1: can debate that part of it. But if the operator
Speaker 1: says it's a bracelet, it's a bracelet. So sewande want
Speaker 1: to brace it. Doesn't matter if it had you know,
Speaker 1: three players, or if it had three hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: or thirty eight, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: He want to raise it.
Speaker 1: Martin Cabrell won the ten k PLO Mystery Bounty. Renngi
Speaker 1: Mao won the five k POO. Now, I actually I
Speaker 1: kind of don't like that mystery bounty tournaments are bracelet events.
Speaker 1: I kind of don't like that. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: I just it's just something about me. Mystery bounties feel
Speaker 1: like a lottery and like, on one side you have
Speaker 1: this crazy prize pool, but then you're also playing a
Speaker 1: tournament for a bracelet, Like I don't know that that
Speaker 1: rubs me more wrong than you know, Shawnde winning a
Speaker 1: thirty eight entry field.
Speaker 2: Really, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I just feel I feel kind of weird, like I
Speaker 1: would I would rather and I listen. I know why
Speaker 1: mystery boundies are popular. They're widely popular. I don't like
Speaker 1: to play them. I'll play them online because they're super soft,
Speaker 1: but like I won't play them live. I wish that
Speaker 1: these were pko's. I think it's just such a better format.
Speaker 1: It's more like a competitive tournament format, more pure in
Speaker 1: that sense. So yeah, I just with the mystery bounty format.
Speaker 1: My issue is like they just take so much money
Speaker 1: out of the prize pool and it's kind of just silly.
Speaker 1: And it's like we see it every year. We see
Speaker 1: it every year at the WSP with that the Mystery Millions,
Speaker 1: you know, where it's like we celebrate these guys that
Speaker 1: won the mystery Bounty pools, and we just forget about
Speaker 1: the person that won the bracelet, like we do who
Speaker 1: won the bracelet? We don't even know. I know your
Speaker 1: boy wonted two years ago, or did he win this
Speaker 1: last year, the Aussie guy two years ago. But it's
Speaker 1: like we just talked about we talk about the guy
Speaker 1: who won the pie Gout Jackpot in Tyler Montoya, who
Speaker 1: won the two mystery Boundy, Like yeah, like that's what
Speaker 1: we talk about more. And it's like, but these tournaments
Speaker 1: are supposed to be for the bracelets, right.
Speaker 2: But if if all that money went to the prize
Speaker 2: pool and some guy won two million dollars, would we
Speaker 2: talk about that or do we talk more about the hall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about how some guy won two million
Speaker 1: dollars from a one K buy and and be twenty
Speaker 1: thousand entry. That's what we would talk about.
Speaker 2: Some guy just putting his hand in a treasure chest
Speaker 2: pulling on a million dollars is kind of cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it drives the clicks.
Speaker 1: I understand it drives the clicks, but it also drives
Speaker 1: the clicks for twenty four hours. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: new cycle we live in, Like everything's gone in twenty.
Speaker 2: Four hours, especially at the World Series anyway.
Speaker 1: Tobias Peters won the three K six Max, Benji Mao
Speaker 1: won the five K PLO. Those are some of the
Speaker 1: highlights from the WSP Europe schedule and then we'll see
Speaker 1: how it goes for the new location and the new
Speaker 1: time slot for next year. I think I'm generally with
Speaker 1: you and that they're going to see an uptick.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Have I announced the schedule.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But they did say fifteen bracelets. Okay,
Speaker 1: because like it'll probably be very similar.
Speaker 2: We see a buy and change for the main event.
Speaker 1: No ten k euro, it'll be ten k e uro.
Speaker 1: It should be ten k uro. Keep it there, let's go.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I question, this isn't even really
Speaker 1: a question, is I've been to progue a bunch for EPD.
Speaker 1: Prog with that was always in December, when it was
Speaker 1: Christmas time, you had the holidays, the Christmas markets like
Speaker 1: all that sort of. It was magical. There absolutely magical,
Speaker 1: tons of fun. I don't know about proguing, you know,
Speaker 1: late March early, It's probably awesome, Yeah, but it it
Speaker 1: just doesn't have that magical holiday element that I know
Speaker 1: so many people gravitate towards with EPT PROP Right, you
Speaker 1: got anything else for me?
Speaker 2: No, not really.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for the PGTPOL series. I'm excited for the
Speaker 1: Super high rollerble Plo. I'm excited for NAPT. I know
Speaker 1: we didn't really touch on that here, but you know,
Speaker 1: NAPT is less than a month away now. It's going
Speaker 1: to be happening November third through twelfth at Resorts World,
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. The main event is a five K has
Speaker 1: a three million dollar guarantee. They got a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of other tournaments on the schedule. I think they have
Speaker 1: some smaller like I want to say, three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty dollars buying stuff for like some one day nightly
Speaker 1: type of things. They got the one K Poker Stars Open,
Speaker 1: they got a twenty two hundred Poker Stars Open high Roller.
Speaker 1: They got a bunch of high rollers that are all
Speaker 1: PGT qualifying events. There are eight of those with ten
Speaker 1: K buying or higher, all the way up to the
Speaker 1: fifty k Super high Roller. So yeah, I'm excited to
Speaker 1: be there. I'm going to try and be playing a lot.
Speaker 1: I know you're going to be there too, hopefully playing.
Speaker 1: I hope you're I'm gonna play the three hundreds pro play,
Speaker 1: the one kid would Poker Starts open thingy whatever that
Speaker 1: is to start the series, and then you cash and
Speaker 1: then you parlay it into the main then you just
Speaker 1: keep you just keep going, Man's keep this.
Speaker 2: So I did last weekend and work out piloting my
Speaker 2: Venetian and the wind didn't work. Whatever, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm excited about. Very off topic. Not do it with
Speaker 2: any poker this weekend. Not this weekend. Yeah, this weekend
Speaker 2: an Arizona USAFL Nationals. Oh my god, big rarely locked
Speaker 2: down on this pocket on this football tournament. But win,
Speaker 2: lose or draw when I come home on Tuesday, on Monday,
Speaker 2: cutting my hair, shaving my.
Speaker 1: Mustache, Okay, I mean, okay, what do you want?
Speaker 2: What do you want to stage? I'm excited to finally
Speaker 2: cut my hair it's been fourteen months, shaving my mustache
Speaker 2: being also fourteen months big news.
Speaker 1: I'm just excited to play a bunch of poker. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna play a ton for the next two weeks
Speaker 1: or so, just because with the series that we got
Speaker 1: going on. I'm being here, but have been playing a bit.
Speaker 1: I guess on that front. I was thinking the other
Speaker 1: day when I was playing at the win, the first
Speaker 1: one of these venues that goes to eight handed, because
Speaker 1: when we were playing it was nine handed. First one
Speaker 1: that goes to eight handed is gonna win, hands Down'm
Speaker 1: gonna win. So somebody needs to go to eight handed.
Speaker 1: Just go to eight handed. I'm telling you it'll be
Speaker 1: so much better. It'll be so much better. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to talking about Okay, more labor. You know
Speaker 1: what else happens. Shorter handed people bust faster, more re entries.
Speaker 2: Like you know.
Speaker 1: And also it's it's not like it's like it's not
Speaker 1: like you're two x in your labor, Like you might
Speaker 1: have to add like let's say they have twenty tables running,
Speaker 1: you might have to add like three or four more tables.
Speaker 2: It's not that much.
Speaker 1: And I think as long as you create a good
Speaker 1: product and you continue to improve your product, you're gonna
Speaker 1: make up for in the long run because people will
Speaker 1: flock to your venue more. They will come, they will
Speaker 1: want to play there, all that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 1: the first one and like I just need to do that.
Speaker 2: Does the Wind need to go i'd handed? Or I
Speaker 2: like people were still going to come if it's nine
Speaker 2: I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Okay, how about this, the Wind missed their guarantee for
Speaker 1: like the first time, and I can remember they did,
Speaker 1: they missed two guarantees. Well, I know, they missed the
Speaker 1: big one. They had a sixteen hundred dollars million dollar
Speaker 1: guarantee championship. They missed it by a little bit, but
Speaker 1: I think by ten entries, so so not a ton,
Speaker 1: but still, I mean, five day, it's a lot. It's
Speaker 1: also like when I was there on the final starting
Speaker 1: flight and I heard the floor talking about like how
Speaker 1: they need to hit a certain number to get back
Speaker 1: on pace, like how they were going to miss it,
Speaker 1: like all this sort of stuff. I was like, even
Speaker 1: that alone, even that conversation was so surprising to me
Speaker 1: because I'm just like, I'm just used to the wind,
Speaker 1: just like easily beating, easily beating, easily beating. Now, there
Speaker 1: is a ton of stuff happening all over the world
Speaker 1: in poker, right, It's just a ton. Like even that
Speaker 1: price point that was a sixteen hundred, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a twelve hundred down in Texas. There's an eleven hundred
Speaker 1: our WPT prime at the lodge. Like, there's a ton
Speaker 1: of stuff going on, right, It's just it's getting harder
Speaker 1: and harder and harder. That said, I will say that
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily a need, but it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where like if you're just constantly looking
Speaker 1: to improve your product a little bit more, a little
Speaker 1: bit more, a little bit more every single year, month, series, whatever,
Speaker 1: it is, So like, I think what the wind does
Speaker 1: right now is pretty close to the best, if not
Speaker 1: the best, pretty close to perfect whatever however you want
Speaker 1: to phrase it. So like, even if you're the best,
Speaker 1: if you're one of one, what's the next step to
Speaker 1: getting better? Because you should still always try and get
Speaker 1: it better. And to me, the only thing I can
Speaker 1: really think of for them is eight handed. Go to
Speaker 1: eight handed, because that would be incredible. It would be
Speaker 1: so incredible.
Speaker 2: I'd hate it.
Speaker 1: But why would you hate it?
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What do you eat?
Speaker 1: When I played, I was like, fine, and it is fine.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's like it's not like it's six handed.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it is fine. You get more leg room.
Speaker 1: It's just better. Like it's just it's just better.
Speaker 2: It's just a better product enough for them to need
Speaker 2: to do it. It's a it's a what's what do
Speaker 2: you say? You said? What's that thing you say? It's
Speaker 2: nice to have a need to have right at this
Speaker 2: stage now, if if the numbers that say you know
Speaker 2: Venetian or if you know Seminoal when they open their guitar,
Speaker 2: they have a poker room and everyone fucks there. Hey,
Speaker 2: you may need to make adjustment sent but brying now
Speaker 2: winner is harsh.
Speaker 1: I think I think everyone needs to needs to move
Speaker 1: to to eight handed. I would I would maybe even
Speaker 1: do something like, listen, let's start with all tournaments one
Speaker 1: K buying and higher. Those are going to be eight handed.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe you don't do it for the eight hundred,
Speaker 1: it's a six hundred, the four hundred, et cetera. But
Speaker 1: you know, I do think and and if you think
Speaker 1: about it, it kind of falls in line with what's
Speaker 1: happened over history. Poker was once handed, and then they
Speaker 1: finally everyone got on board with nine handed. I mean
Speaker 1: it took a long time, but finally it happened, right yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even like the WSP recently was like you'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, they might have to go ten handed,
Speaker 1: they might have to go ten handed, but that this
Speaker 1: doesn't happen anymore, right, It's like, now, I think that
Speaker 1: next progression is make things eight handed. You already see
Speaker 1: seven and eight handed in high rollers, Like let's get
Speaker 1: that trickle down to the other stuff, right, I think
Speaker 1: that that can that can be a big boost. So
Speaker 1: I would like to see it, and I think that
Speaker 1: it's not that big of an ask revenue wise when
Speaker 1: you have to consider, you know, the more labor, because
Speaker 1: ultimately your product will just be better in the longer.
Speaker 1: So I I do think that you know, the first,
Speaker 1: like major venue. And when I say that, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about like, you know, the win Venetian, like you know,
Speaker 1: a big, major venue that's running these these things regularly.
Speaker 1: Seminole for example, you know obviously the other side of
Speaker 1: the country. But still once they I if you're the first,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna you're gonna reap the benefits of it.
Speaker 1: So that's my thought. There might take there, but that's
Speaker 1: all I got, and that's all you got, so all right,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. His name is Tim Duckworth,
Speaker 1: my name is Donnie Peters, and we will talk to
Speaker 1: you guys next time.
Speaker 2: Ja Express