WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:07.280 on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:10.560 Oh no, it did it? Really? The bird flew away? 5 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:14.560 Huh So? 6 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:18.039 About twenty minutes ago one of the eglets perched on 7 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:22.399 a branch and took off. I think I know where 8 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:25.719 Shannon is. I think she was below that tree begging 9 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:29.640 that bird to fly. They haven't said which of these 10 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:39.079 it was, Sonny or Gizmo. CBS News wrote What's next 11 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:47.039 for the Eglitz. Gizmo and Sonny were both determined to 12 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:51.119 be female. Hold on a second. Gizmo and Sonny were 13 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:54.759 both determined to be female, and Sonny's sex is still unknown, 14 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:58.840 but both will remain in the habitat for one to 15 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.320 three months after ledging. Friends of Big Bear Valleys say 16 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:04.159 they will likely be in and out of the nest 17 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:08.920 during this time they will take off. Since they aren't banded, 18 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:11.640 we will have no way to know if they stay 19 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:13.000 together or for how long. 20 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:16.640 It's listen. 21 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:19.280 I have been just as infatuated with these eagles as 22 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:23.519 everybody else has, but these comments crack me up. It's 23 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:28.400 not known if they will recognize each other, and the 24 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:32.120 organization notes that there is some evidence that bald eagles 25 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:36.200 can memorize, but they have not been there have not 26 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.439 been any specific studies to verify that information. 27 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.480 Eagles will reach maturity about five years old. 28 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:44.200 That's when they get the white head and tail and 29 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:48.280 bright yellow beaks and eyes. But again, the breaking developing 30 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.239 story out of Big Bear is that one of the 31 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.079 eagles has literally flown the nest and we'll see, will 32 00:01:57.079 --> 00:01:59.680 see if they ever make it back. NBA Finals begin 33 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.680 Thursday night, Pacers against Oklahoma City Thunder. NHL Stanley Cup 34 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.439 Finals begin on Wednesday night. That'll be the Florida Panthers 35 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:09.960 against the Edmonton Oilers. The Angels lost to the Guardians 36 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.479 last night, four to two. They will move on to 37 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:15.120 Boston tonight to take on the Red Sox. Yankees beat 38 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.240 the Dodgers seven to three yesterday, but the Mets are 39 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:19.439 in town tonight. 40 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:23.280 It's time for swamp watch. I'm a politician, which means 41 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:25.400 I'm a cheat and a liar. And when I'm not 42 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:27.719 kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipops. 43 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:30.879 Yeah, we got the real problem is that our leaders 44 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:31.439 are done. 45 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:36.599 The other side never quits so what, I'm not going anywhere. 46 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.919 So now you train the swat, I can imagine what 47 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:41.560 can be and be unburdened by. 48 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:43.879 What has been. You know, Americans have always been gone 49 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:44.960 at President. 50 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:46.240 They're not scrupid. 51 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:49.199 A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth. 52 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.919 Have the people voted for you with not swamp watch, 53 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:53.080 they're all caunonnoyed. 54 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.039 Late in the segment, we'll get you more about what's 55 00:02:56.080 --> 00:03:00.280 going on with the terrorist attack in Boulder, Colorado against 56 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:05.759 those pro Israeli hostage demonstrators that were out there trying 57 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.400 to bring attention to the hostages that are still being 58 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:13.319 held by Hamas. Because President Trump did make a comment 59 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:15.360 on truth Social about that, So we'll talk about that. 60 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:17.479 Because we're creating some more information, I wanted to just 61 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.520 backtrack just a quick moment and talk about what we 62 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:22.280 have seen the latest. 63 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:23.680 When it comes to teriff wars. 64 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.599 Wall Street has been negative, at least the DAL has 65 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:28.840 been negative all morning. 66 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:31.280 Right now, it's down one hundred and seventy six points. 67 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:35.879 There is some concern that the trade tensions between the 68 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.520 United States and China are going to ratchet up, and 69 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.439 part of that is because of what we have seen 70 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:47.400 in what is considered to be a violation of the truce. 71 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:51.680 China's Ministry of Commerce said that Washington seriously undermined the 72 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.919 agreement reached during talks in Geneva last month. Both countries 73 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:57.719 actually lowered tariffs on goods imported from each other, but 74 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:01.400 again the Chinese spokesperson said that the US actions violated 75 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:05.159 the consensus reached during a phone call between She Jinping 76 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.319 and President Trump. The comments come after Trump said that 77 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:13.000 China had totally violated its agreement with US. Okay, this 78 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:17.560 could be potentially all worked out in a mysterious phone 79 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:22.160 call that is said to be coming soon. Still up 80 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:24.839 in the air today in terms of official high level 81 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.240 talks between China and the United States, and there are 82 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:31.399 now mixed signals. Part of it is because we say 83 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:35.279 they violated that the tariff agreement, they say we violated 84 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:39.600 the tariff agreement. There is potentially, according to CNBC, a 85 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:46.199 phone call between President Trump and President she very possible. 86 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.439 This would be the first call since Trump took office. Again, 87 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:52.920 remember I said there was a call in January that 88 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:55.399 was before he was inaugurated for the second term. So 89 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:58.959 this would be the one that This would be the 90 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:00.560 first phone call between the two, some of them since 91 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.519 he became president again. Again, China is lashing out, saying 92 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.800 that we were the ones that violated the deal. They 93 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:10.560 have dimmed the prospects of an immediate leadership call is 94 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:13.399 where they say it. There has also been a crackdown 95 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:16.519 on rare earth exports a couple of months ago, starting 96 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.319 to bite for US automakers in particular, we might have 97 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:22.879 to wea the United States might have to start limiting 98 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.319 auto production in just a matter of days. One of 99 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:31.399 the issues specifically is rare earth magnets, and with China 100 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:36.000 still enforcing their limits on rare earth magnet exports to 101 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:41.319 the United States, this could be one very specific but 102 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.240 very damaging part in the entire supply chain when it 103 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.519 comes to Chinese goods that are coming into the United 104 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:54.480 States and making cars and why that would be such 105 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.639 a stumbling block. Also in all of that, the price 106 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.519 of steel and aluminum spike today. Shares of foreign steelmakers 107 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.600 actually slumped after President Trump said he would double tariffs 108 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:08.680 on imports of aluminum and steal up to fifty percent. 109 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.720 Here we are in June, and this is going to 110 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.360 be a very important month for the Senate and for 111 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.839 the Supreme Court when it comes to Washington, DC. So 112 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:23.560 one of the things that just happened was Justice Brett 113 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.040 Kavanaugh signaled that the Court could soon decide the constitutional 114 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:33.959 constitutionality of banning AR fifteen's three justices did vote yes 115 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.439 to take up a specific case like this, you need 116 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:39.480 four actually to take up the case. Kavanaugh was not 117 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:41.759 one of those yes votes, but said that he probably 118 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:45.759 would be soon and that we should presumably address the 119 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:50.439 AR fifteen in the next term or two. The other things, 120 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:53.160 of course, are still going on. There are more opinion 121 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.319 cases that deal with birthright citizenship, that deal with age 122 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:01.839 verification for porn sites, transition care for kids who claim 123 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:04.759 to be transgender. All of that stuff is still yet 124 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:08.759 to come down for the Supreme Court this month. The 125 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:11.519 Senate is back in Washington today, and one of the 126 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:14.319 things that they're doing is talking about that big, beautiful bill, 127 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.279 how they are going to try to have this balance 128 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.199 that would appease each of the Republican factions within the 129 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:24.560 House and then each of the Republican factions within the Senate. 130 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:28.759 They want to have something done before a July fourth break. 131 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:31.079 Mike Johnson Speaker of the House had said that he 132 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:34.560 expects that timeline to be in play. 133 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:35.839 We'll see how it goes. 134 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.199 Okay, So I mentioned that President Trump did make a 135 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:42.480 comment about the attack in Boulder, Colorado. We'll get into 136 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.199 that and the latest when it comes to the court 137 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:48.160 documents that are filed for the suspect in that case, 138 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:50.399 who will be in court in about an hour or so. 139 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:51.560 That's up next. 140 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.240 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 141 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:57.360 AM six forty. 142 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:02.399 The big story now nationally has been this terrorist attack 143 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:07.199 that took place in Boulder, Colorado, where about a forty 144 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.000 five year old man attacked a group of demonstrators that 145 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:16.360 were calling for the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza. Now, 146 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:21.279 the President wrote today on truth Social quote, yesterday's horific 147 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.639 attack and Bulder, Colorado will not be tolerated in the 148 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:27.720 United States of America. He came in through he came 149 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:31.399 in through Biden's ridiculous open door. Sorry, he came in 150 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:34.519 through Biden's ridiculous open border policy, which has hurt our 151 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:35.519 country so badly. 152 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:36.639 He must go out. 153 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:40.320 Under Trump policy, acts of terrorism will be prosecuted to 154 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:42.679 the fullest extent of the law. This is yet another 155 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.440 example of why we must keep our border secure and 156 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:51.279 deport illegal anti American radicals from our homeland. My heart 157 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.120 goes out to the victims of this terrible tragedy and 158 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.440 the great people of Boulder, Colorado. The understanding is that 159 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:03.159 the suspect in this case is due in court next hour. 160 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:08.159 According to documents that were just filed for the federal 161 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:11.679 criminal case against him, this guy had at least fourteen 162 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:16.279 unused molotov cocktails with them at the time that he 163 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.799 was arrested, apparently in his vehicle, and if you've seen 164 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.399 the video, he's holding a couple of them in his hands. 165 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.799 The video was taken after the official or I guess 166 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.519 after the initial is the word I'm looking for, after 167 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.360 the initial attack when he used what they said was 168 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:36.799 a impromptu or a sort of a homemade flamethrower of 169 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:41.159 some kind, and then these incendiary devices, these molotov cocktails. 170 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.679 This again the documents that were filed for the criminal 171 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:50.799 court case details. Police did have some more details. Police 172 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.919 also reported that he actually threw two molotov cocktails at 173 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.200 people who were at the gathering that he was yelling 174 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.919 free Palestine as he did so, causing burn injuries to 175 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.759 eight different people. The government says, in addition to those 176 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:10.080 fourteen unlit molotov cocktails, they found a backpack weed. 177 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.759 Sprayer for some reason, and. 178 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:18.320 That there I guess it had a gasoline in it. 179 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.440 In his car, the court documents said that police found 180 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:25.480 red material consistent with the rags that were hanging out 181 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.000 of the remaining in Cyndi or device. It just looked 182 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.360 like shop rags to me, but it may have been 183 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:34.080 something more specific than that. There was a red gas 184 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:38.159 canister in the car and paperwork with the words Israel, 185 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:44.519 Palestine and US aid I talked earlier about the coloradois 186 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:47.840 Attorney General Phil Wiser saying that this is proof that 187 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:49.799 we all have to be on high alert. 188 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.600 Now. Eight against any of us must be treated against 189 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:55.759 eight against all of us. That's a moral stand that's 190 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.679 imperative for us to tape. That's what America needs to 191 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:01.440 stand for in this moment. We need to make sure 192 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.039 that we keep people safe, that we make clear there's 193 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.279 no place for hate, and that in America people can 194 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:12.159 peacefully demonstrate whatever they believe. 195 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.919 Now, the FBI special Agent in charge had said that 196 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.360 they don't believe that there were other suspects. He and 197 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:19.840 the chief of the Boulder Police Department talked about it. 198 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:22.240 Now the subject is in custody, but this will be 199 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:23.759 a thorough, complete investigation. 200 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:24.720 From everything we. 201 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.559 Know in the witness briefings, in interviews that we've done 202 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:30.240 at this point, we do not believe that there is 203 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:31.799 an additional suspect at large. 204 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:36.559 Okay, there are details also in this court document again 205 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:40.840 the guys expected in court next hour. It says that 206 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:46.080 this guy was planning this attack for a year. The 207 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.600 group again that was protesting, that was demonstrating is probably 208 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:53.480 the better word, has been a regular fixture at this 209 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:58.679 plaza in Boulder, Colorado since the October seventh attacks in 210 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:03.360 twenty twenty three, that on a regular basis, most weekly, 211 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:07.039 basically weather permitting that they're out there all the time. 212 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:10.440 But according to the court documents, the suspect was waiting 213 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:15.879 until after his daughter graduated, and that this guy arrived 214 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.440 at the scene of the crime just before one o'clock 215 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:24.960 Bolder time and waited for the group there. After his arrest, 216 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:29.960 the suspect told law enforcement that Zionists were his target 217 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.879 and that he would conduct the attack again. 218 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:35.679 So the suspect. 219 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.320 According to couple of different reports, the White House has 220 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:42.320 backed this up. Department of Homeland Security has as well. 221 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:48.679 He was trying to get a guess asylum way back 222 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:50.600 in two thousand and five or six, and he was 223 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:55.000 denied at the time. He came in on a travel 224 00:12:55.120 --> 00:13:00.519 visa that expired. The administration at the time a couple 225 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:02.559 of years ago, in twenty twenty three, gave him a 226 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:06.840 work visa, but that the work visa expired in March 227 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.480 of this year, so he was existing in the country illegally. 228 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:14.240 So up next there. 229 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:19.879 Last week we talked about PTSD treatments and using psychedelics 230 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:24.720 and the potential for microdosing of psychedelics to help in 231 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:31.159 that case, specifically veterans get through PTSD. There's another PTSD 232 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:36.120 therapy they're saying that seems too good to be true, 233 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:41.960 but apparently has been working. It's called RTM. I'll explain 234 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:43.840 what that is and why it has been working in 235 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:45.039 some cases when we come back. 236 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.639 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 237 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:50.759 AM six forty. 238 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:55.679 Last week, we talked about the potential use of hallucinogens 239 00:13:55.720 --> 00:14:03.000 and psycho therapeutic drug in order to treat people's post 240 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:08.519 traumatic stress disorder. And it's a particularly meaningful story because 241 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:12.960 of the number of suicides of American veterans every day. 242 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:17.080 I think the number is twenty two each day, and 243 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:22.399 that that specific population veterans are so much more at 244 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.720 risk for suicide than any other portion of the population. 245 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:30.840 Jeff Turner is a guy who served in Iraq, and 246 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.840 in April of two thousand and four, his mess hall 247 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.879 and some areas around his base were hit with mortars, 248 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.639 and the mess hall was what got hit first. The 249 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:47.159 second bomb hit in a sand nearby, and he was 250 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.559 covered in smoke. He dove between a couple of park 251 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:53.240 mail vans and he began to register the screams from 252 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:56.000 the mess hall, and a soldier who had been chasing 253 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:59.080 him down found him soaked in blood and said, you 254 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:02.039 got a problem, sir. The mortar had ripped through the 255 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:08.240 canvas or roof killed several of his fellow service members, 256 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:11.000 shrapnel in every direction. He was able to walk away 257 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:14.000 from the attack. He did still have some wounds deep 258 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.799 into his leg and on his arms, but the next 259 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.799 day he was back at work and he said he 260 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:24.799 found immediately things were not right. His heart was pounding, 261 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:29.279 even though he was doing relatively mundane tasks. Loud noises 262 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:31.759 would freak him out and he would jump into bunkers, 263 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:35.799 and the little sleep that he did get was plagued 264 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:38.279 with nightmares. I mean, these are all very, very common 265 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:42.000 when it comes to post traumatic stress disorder, because your 266 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.799 body is reliving or trying to process whatever you went 267 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:53.480 through in the first place, there's a Without treatment, PTSD 268 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:56.799 sufferers will notice the distortions in. 269 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:59.000 Their behavior, in their mood. 270 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:03.080 They will constant feel like they're in danger, and that 271 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.480 makes them avoidant, that makes them draw into isolation, and 272 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:10.440 then you've got shame and guilt and anger and it 273 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:15.360 all festers and it causes depression and like I said, 274 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.039 that dramatically high risk of suicide that comes along with it. 275 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:24.600 So treating it, Treating PTSD revolves around the question of 276 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:26.559 how do you get a person to leave the past 277 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:31.000 in the past. And yes, there are different therapeutic avenues 278 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.320 for that. In the case that we were talking about 279 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.240 last week, there are medical avenues for that that they 280 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.759 have been working on. The problem with prolonged exposure, though, 281 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:45.720 is that it can be hard to get through and 282 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.000 if you want to hit this thing head on. You 283 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:52.559 just want to sit on a therapist couch and talk 284 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.639 about over and over and over and over again the 285 00:16:55.679 --> 00:17:00.600 most traumatic moments of your life that can be painful. 286 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:10.079 There is a new unconventional route called reconsolidation of traumatic 287 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:18.279 memories reconsolidation of traumatic memories RTM. There is a belief that, 288 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.279 or a theory is a better word, that treating PTSD 289 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.759 could be painless. Right, you wouldn't have to go through 290 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.839 and relive those moments in the same way. When it 291 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.519 came to Jeff Turner and him doing this reconsolidation of 292 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.720 traumatic memories, he said it was wildly successful, to the 293 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.640 point where he couldn't believe that it was working. His words, 294 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:44.240 it seemed too good to be true. 295 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:45.960 So what our TM. 296 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:50.000 Does is it uses movies as a metaphor to replay 297 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:55.519 something in your memory. It's big, long, eighty nine step 298 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.440 protocol and it starts with very simple baby steps. Not 299 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:03.599 to infec analyze this thing, but just to make it easy. 300 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.759 You imagine yourself seated in a movie theater that you 301 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:10.079 associate with happy memories, think about your favorite movie. You 302 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.079 then smell the popcorn, you feel the seats. You can 303 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:16.480 smell the stickiness, smell the stickiness, you can smell the 304 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:20.559 floors whatever, I don't know. And then you Begum the projectionist, 305 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:27.359 and you hit play and think of your event in 306 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:33.640 black and white, and you watch yourself seated watching the screen. 307 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.279 So you're not watching the movie yourself. You're watching yourself 308 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:42.039 watch the movie. And again, some of this is therapeutic 309 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:47.400 mumbo jumbo, but if you are willing to put yourself 310 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:50.720 through the exercise, Jeff Turner and other people who have 311 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:54.359 done this reconsolidation of traumatic memories say it absolutely works. 312 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:59.440 If you ever pull yourself out of it, your body shifts, 313 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:03.240 your voice changes, your teeth clench, something like that. The 314 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.440 therapist will bring you back. Hey, calm down, we're going 315 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:08.759 to start over. We're going to get through this. You're 316 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.640 going to watch yourself watch the movie. And then once 317 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.039 you are able to do that for about sixty seconds, 318 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.079 you change the perspective in some way. You change the 319 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:21.759 camera angle, maybe you move the screen back twenty feet. 320 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:25.640 One of the suggestions is you replace the characters in 321 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:30.079 this movie with stick figures to kind of depersonalize it 322 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.720 until you can repeatedly watch it from start to start 323 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:38.000 to end without reacting to it. The point of this 324 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:43.799 reconsolidation of traumatic memories is to see that thing over 325 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:46.920 and over and over again, tweaking it a little bit 326 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:49.599 more each time, so that it gets farther and farther 327 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:52.559 away from the actual event, that when it goes back 328 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:53.759 into your. 329 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:57.039 Memory, it's different. It's not the same thing. 330 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:01.160 And if you can constantly watch the clip without reacting, 331 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:04.640 that's when the second phase of that reconsolidation of traumatic 332 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:10.920 memories begins. You can, in vivid color and detail, now 333 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.359 walk up to the movie screen and step inside the 334 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:18.759 final frame of the film and the whole thing they 335 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:23.920 tell you to rewind it and go back. It's a weird, 336 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:30.359 fascinating and hopefully successful approach to PTSD that hadn't been 337 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:34.880 worked before. Now others who know about this kind of 338 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:37.920 therapy have said, well, there's not a lot of medical 339 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:42.640 psychological evidence to show that it works on a large scale, 340 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.519 but if it works for a handful of people, I mean, 341 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:47.079 for the same reason that we would say that you 342 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:51.920 would want tests done on psychotherapeutic drugs. You want to 343 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:54.440 be able to help as many people as you can, 344 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:56.880 not everybody's going to be helped in the same way. 345 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:00.839 So maybe this is one of those paths that you 346 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.039 can take, specifically for Jeff Turner and for other people 347 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:07.599 who have suffered PTSD whether they're veterans or in other 348 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.519 forms of life that they need some help to get through. 349 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:16.000 So I thought that was pretty interesting, coming back youth 350 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:20.119 sports to the tune of millions of dollars. Could a 351 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:23.519 fourteen year old be a millionaire because of name, image, 352 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.799 and likeness. We'll tell you, but the story about Caden Coleman. 353 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:31.480 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 354 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:32.519 AM six forty. 355 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:35.240 Gary, Jeff Fromer right here, what you're describing with the 356 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:37.759 PTSD treatment is something in lock worse we call a 357 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:42.680 cognitive interview technique. We use it extensively with sexual assault 358 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.440 victims or people who have experienced a very violent or 359 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.839 traumatic event. It works great. I actually teach this th 360 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:52.759 about the state an instructor with behavioral analysis training incorporated, 361 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:54.759 and I'm glad to see that this technique is being 362 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:57.839 used to other places to help other people. Thanks for 363 00:21:57.880 --> 00:21:59.400 this highlighting this topic. 364 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:02.039 Thanks yeah, no, thanks great insight from you. Again. 365 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:06.960 We were talking about reconsolidation of traumatic memories a new well, 366 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:11.200 maybe not necessarily that new, but being used in some 367 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:16.640 new arenas. Britney Coleman has a little boy named Caden Coleman. 368 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:20.200 And by little I mean he's fourteen. He's not little physically, 369 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.440 he's five eight, one hundred and sixty five pounds, but 370 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:29.440 I mean little boy mentally, smart kid, honor student. He 371 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:33.519 maintains a three point five grade point average at his school, 372 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:39.480 his junior high school in the DC area. Next year 373 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:43.119 he's going to be going on to Damatha Catholic High School. 374 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:49.960 He is going on an academic scholarship, but Damatha Catholic 375 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:54.880 High School happens to be a national powerhouse in football. 376 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:59.920 When Caden was just ten years old, youth football coaches 377 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.720 started pressing envelopes with thousands of dollars into Mom's hands. 378 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:07.400 They wanted Caden to play for their club teams in 379 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.519 Maryland or New Jersey or elsewhere on the Atlantic seaboard. 380 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:12.720 She always refused. 381 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:16.640 Mom, the smart one, always said no because she didn't 382 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:20.839 want to tarnish her son. Now that kid has become 383 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.680 one of the best eighth grade football players in the country. 384 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.759 Which is weird that we have a scale by which 385 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.480 to measure eighth grade football players, but he's one of 386 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:36.079 the best, and mom says that by the end of 387 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:39.759 his freshman year that starts in September, by the end 388 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:44.200 of his freshman year, she wants to have him at 389 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:50.519 about a million dollars. I uh okay, we talked a 390 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:53.920 little bit about this. You know, young, the youngest of 391 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:59.160 young athletes being invited into this world of name, image 392 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:02.599 and likeness deal. There's a kid in Los Angeles nine 393 00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:04.759 years old who got signed to one of these deals. 394 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.039 There are at least forty one states and DC that 395 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:11.799 have policies through their athletic associations that do allow NIL 396 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:16.480 agreements for high school students, and many of those also 397 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:21.079 allow deals for students in middle school. 398 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.319 Rebok Gatorade leaf trading cards. 399 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.680 They've offered lucrative deals to a handful of high school 400 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:34.799 football and basketball stars. Local companies think real estate companies, clothing, restaurants, etc. 401 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:38.680