WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:12.960 You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of 2 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:15.919 sight and sound, but of mind, a journey into a 3 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.120 wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the 4 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:20.839 sign post up ahead your next step. 5 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:21.760 The Twilight's on. 6 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:41.520 Quite why May eleventh is known as Twilight Zone Day. 7 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:46.119 Nobody seems to know. Is it a tribute to Rod 8 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:51.960 Sailing's military regiment, the five eleventh maybe, or is it 9 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:57.159 purposely kept a mystery just to fit with the spirits 10 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:01.159 of the show. Will likely never know the answer, but 11 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:05.120 does it really matter. If there's an excuse to celebrate 12 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:09.519 our favorite series and its creator, then I'm all for it. 13 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:14.439 But as we hit mid twenty twenty six, fans of 14 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:18.000 The Twilight Zone actually have quite a bit to be 15 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:22.959 thankful for. We have the IDW comic series, which is 16 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:27.319 keeping the flame burning, or at least the conversation going. 17 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:33.120 We have the Roddy McDowell biography, an actor's story, which 18 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:38.239 I discussed last episode with its author Samuel Garza Bernstein. 19 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:42.359 But there's also something that we haven't touched on yet, 20 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:48.799 the upcoming Rod Sailing biography by Rolling Stones Alan Sepinwall. 21 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:54.959 It's titled Sailing a Journey into the Twilight Zone with 22 00:01:55.120 --> 00:02:00.519 TV's first visionary. It's available for pre order now, and 23 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.560 you'll want to watch this space because that conversation with 24 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:08.120 Alan is coming to the show very soon. We also 25 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:12.120 have the tenth anniversary of Sailing Fest in Binghamton, New 26 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.800 York this August, and I'll be sharing details on what 27 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:20.319 I'll be doing there very soon. But one of the 28 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:26.439 guests this year is director Jonah Thulis, who'll be discussing 29 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:34.280 his new documentary Sailing, which just premiered ATXSW the Film 30 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:39.080 and Television Festival back in March. Now, I couldn't make 31 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:44.719 it ToxS W myself, but thankfully our man in Buddha, 32 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:49.719 Texas was there to share the event with us. Now, 33 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.080 I love it when we can do this. It reminds 34 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:55.039 me of when our friend Gus Halwada reported from the 35 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:59.159 Night Gallery event in Vegas, or when Brandon Shaye Mattala 36 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:04.080 interviewed Mark Zickary at a convention. Because this is a community, 37 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.680 So if you have a sailing related event happening near you, 38 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.159 then please send it my way and I'll play it 39 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:15.039 on the show. So to celebrate Twilight Zone Day twenty 40 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:19.960 twenty six and the premiere of Sailing Take It Away. 41 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:21.719 Harold Clark. 42 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:41.599 That time travel then got tremendous reaction, and because of 43 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.479 its reaction, the network, the CBS Network, who I had 44 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.080 approached over the past three years to try to get 45 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.759 something in the science fiction genre on, took another second 46 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.120 look at it, and as a result, I got Twilight Zonin. 47 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:03.120 Harold Clark reporting live from downtown Austin, Texas, right off 48 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:07.400 of Congress Street and downtown. I am currently standing outside 49 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.840 the State Theater, which is right next to the Paramount Theater, 50 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.159 and we are waiting to get in to see the 51 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:21.199 world premiere of the documentary Serling. I was able to 52 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.199 get a ticket because of my good friend Ken Ken Cornine, 53 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:29.399 who's with me. He's volunteering for south By Southwest and 54 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.560 by volunteering, you know, you get access into some various 55 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:36.800 things that you want to get into, and you can 56 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:39.199 bring a companion, and he was nice enough to make 57 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:45.199 me his companion for the day. So so ooh those 58 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:49.319 birds get ready for Sirlin so so yeah, So we're 59 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:52.240 just waiting for the doors to open to let us in. 60 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.120 I don't think we'll have a problem getting in, but 61 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:55.759 we will see. 62 00:04:55.920 --> 00:05:01.639 So so Ken, you describe of yourself as a casual 63 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:03.879 fan or more more than casual. 64 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:11.639 Well, like I said, I'm definitely not on your caliber fanship, 65 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.160 but definitely I grew up with with the Twilight Zone. 66 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:19.160 My mom always was putting Twilight Zone on for us, 67 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.800 and I remember when I was a kid, I used 68 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:26.480 to set the VCR for the late night airings of 69 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.959 twilights up Twilight Zone episodes. So I had at some 70 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:35.439 point I had like dozens of VHS tapes of the episodes. 71 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:39.399 I'm familiar with a lot of the episodes. I can't 72 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:43.079 say that I know all the names of certain episodes, 73 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.839 but like, once I start seeing you know a portion 74 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.120 of it, I'm you know, it definitely rings a bell. 75 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.079 And I can remember, you know, watching a lot of 76 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:53.319 those episodes as a kid. 77 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:53.879 Definitely. 78 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:58.000 Well, there are there are uber fans on the Twilight 79 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:02.399 Zone podcast that or just like you the remember episode 80 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:04.040 titles love you Emmy. 81 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:05.360 But no, that's fine. 82 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:06.639 So so. 83 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:10.480 What uh, in. 84 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:11.839 General, what do you what do you know. 85 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.839 About shirling like outside of Twilight Zone or or or 86 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.519 anything like that, or is it just your knowledge of 87 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:19.680 it limited to Twilight Zone and that gallery. 88 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:20.680 Maybe you know things like that. 89 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:24.560 Well, I'm actually looking forward to the to the documentary 90 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.360 documentary to to you know, get more a lot more 91 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:32.560 insight into who he was and his his life. My 92 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:37.879 wife Jennifer actually features him when she was teaching in 93 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:38.480 high school. 94 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:41.360 TV production teatured you. 95 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:45.160 Know, well, highlight on Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone 96 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:51.959 and what is the episode the Monsters on me? Yeah, 97 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:57.000 being in her her teaching in my school. Definitely, so 98 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.399 she's she actually probably knows more than I do, even 99 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:05.240 though she's you know, maybe not the fan that we. 100 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.519 Are going right here, you know. 101 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:08.839 Definitely, I'm looking forward to to. 102 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:12.160 Hearing a lot about this film today. 103 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.360 So I went to surling Fest twenty twenty four and 104 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.079 the shirt that I weren't and one of the neat 105 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.279 things that they had there was they had a segment 106 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:24.839 of sirling Fest and it was Rod Serling in his 107 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:25.519 own words. 108 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.079 And Andrea went with me, my wife Andrea, and. 109 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:32.720 She she's a very casual, you know, Twilight Zone fan, 110 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:37.399 and so for her that was very enlightening because this 111 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.360 was a lot of the interviews and just you know, 112 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.040 talks that he had colleges and other things like that, 113 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:48.399 and just it covered the gam gambit of of what 114 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.279 he thought about of life and humanity. 115 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:53.000 And and and and and. 116 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.439 Television producing and writing and all of that stuff. So 117 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:00.279 so I imagine they'll reuse some of that footage, least 118 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:02.519 a lot of that footage, but I hear that they will. 119 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:06.000 That they were able to uncover some some home video 120 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:09.800 stuff that's probably snipper been seen before from from Ant 121 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.160 Serling and so so yeah. 122 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.160 So I'm I'm I'm super curious to see how this says. 123 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:16.959 It's ninety eight. 124 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.639 Minutes, so that's a that's a good long time to 125 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.639 to really dive in, you know, to the life of Serlin. 126 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:26.680 And again, who knows. Once this comes out, I. 127 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:29.920 Hope that that more people will it'll peauk their interest 128 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.559 and and they'll want to go and and and and 129 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:33.879 learn a little bit more about Serlin. 130 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.639 So we will. We will see what happens. 131 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:40.120 So let's uh, they're letting out I guess the whatever 132 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.279 the other film that was the previous film, So hopefully 133 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:44.840 we will be going in soon. 134 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:48.600 What you're about to see, gentlemen, is a series called 135 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:52.440 The Twilight's On. We think it's a rather special kind 136 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.600 of series. This is a series for the storyteller, because 137 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.000 it's I thinking that an audience will always sit still 138 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:02.559 and listen and watch a well told story. Now that 139 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.639 I've am modestly gone on record predicting the high quality 140 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.360 of this series, let me very briefly show you what 141 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:10.679 we mean by a special kind of series. 142 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:11.559 Here you go. 143 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:13.200 So I am now outside. 144 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:15.559 We're about ten minutes before we get to go in 145 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:18.080 and see Sirlin. I have come across a couple of 146 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:23.279 Serlin fans that actually found out have have lived, you know, 147 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.360 next door to me in southern California, so we're already bonded. 148 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:27.159 Sileime. 149 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:32.279 Introduce you too, Evelyn Machen and alys Alice Army. 150 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.320 And you're here to watch Serlin. And I hear that 151 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.759 you're big fans. Yes, So what do you. 152 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:40.799 Remember about tarilotte'sh Serlin and all that stuff? What were 153 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:42.279 your earliest memories. 154 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:46.240 Being very scared and I heard his voice and when 155 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.360 the show started, but yet I stayed to watch and see. 156 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.080 We would get in the living room with our pillows 157 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:57.879 and the show would start, and you know, and back 158 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:02.440 then it was like amazing. That was the technology, and 159 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:04.480 it was really scary a lot of it stuck with me. 160 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.600 Nice and you're and you're about forty five years old, 161 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:12.039 so and how about you, what's your memories? 162 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:16.960 Always when I was a kid, my mom and my 163 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:20.919 stepdad had started playing it during New Year's because there 164 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:25.960 were the New Year's Eve marathons. So I was very 165 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:31.480 big into TV and film, still am, but I just 166 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:34.639 remember watching those up until midnight and then you know, 167 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:38.840 celebrating New Year's but it would be every single episode, 168 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:42.720 like every single episode straight, and I was just sat 169 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.799 down for all of it. So yeah, I think that 170 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.440 my earliest memories is just like celebrating the New Year 171 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:49.720 with the Twilight. 172 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:54.360 Favorite episodes for you, oh so many, oh so many episodes. 173 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:03.039 Let's see, Well, there's the classic where it's the kid 174 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.240 that everyone is scared of it. Yeah, it's a good. 175 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:12.279 Life a thing. Yeah it's cold here in Austin. 176 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:16.919 Yeah, what a class Like. It was so well done 177 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:19.279 and it was so scary, but it was so simple 178 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:22.600 and it didn't have to use like Gore, It didn't 179 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:29.360 have to use anything other than just like the the 180 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:35.519 context of like, Okay, something's going on with Timmy. That's 181 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.480 all you need to know, and then everyone is scared 182 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.480 of him. You don't need to know what it can do. 183 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.080 You don't really need to know anything other than just 184 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:46.440 like this child is. He's very powerful. 185 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:47.639 It's very vowerful. 186 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.000 But yeah, that's a that's a great episode, well for you. 187 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:53.759 So it's the one where the lady is driving, Yeah, 188 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.399 and she gets run off the road or she she 189 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.159 has a flat and then she's dead, but then she 190 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:01.960 keeps driving. 191 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:02.799 Is that is that? 192 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:08.200 I think that's is that you drive meeting. 193 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:08.399 A couple of driving? 194 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.039 Yes, anyways, and so she's driving and she calls her 195 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.720 mom and and the lady's like, don't go. 196 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:17.799 On my way right right right, and and the mom's. 197 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.200 Like, you know, the mom's friend is like, how dare you? 198 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:25.200 And her daughter just died in a car crash? And uh, 199 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.679 that scared me because sometimes I'm driving and I wonder 200 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:31.840 if I did you wait a minute, what if I died? 201 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:33.799 And I think that's still driving? 202 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:37.039 So what what? What do you anticipate? 203 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.159 What are you expecting about to get from this documentary? 204 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:41.600 I mean, what are you looking forward to. 205 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:44.200 Or or just I think I'd like to learn more 206 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:47.360 about him, yeah, because you know, I think he was 207 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.879 a pioneer. Yep, he was a pioneer of his time. 208 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:55.559 And it's always interesting to see what drove them and 209 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:02.000 what their thoughts were because Twilight Zone changed everybody's life, yep. 210 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.120 Well, and people were trying to figure out what TV 211 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.240 was about at all. You know, that was a brand 212 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.240 new medium, so what could you do with it? 213 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.919 And I'm sure we'll hear about his fights with the 214 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:15.000 sponsors and and and. 215 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:17.480 And you know, the the whatever in the in the 216 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:19.799 studio and what you could and couldn't do and emit 217 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:23.320 till and all of that stuff, you know. And yeah, 218 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:24.440 so so I was. 219 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:25.080 Able to go off. 220 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:27.320 I was able to go to sling Fest a couple 221 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:29.480 of years ago for the for the Statue in Veiling, 222 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:31.799 which was really nice and they had a whole about 223 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.120 a forty five minute segment of just Rod Sterling in 224 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.200 his own words, and there was a lot of stuff 225 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:40.080 that I had never heard about and just again, so 226 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:43.080 I'm really looking forward to that, just seeing the human 227 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.399 side of it, yea. And who knows, maybe maybe they 228 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:49.960 will show some footage from the Statue in Veiling because 229 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.039 you know, whole family was there and there was probably 230 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:54.519 three four hundred people there. 231 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.240 Oh so yeah, so we'll see looking forward. 232 00:13:58.320 --> 00:13:59.799 I think they're getting ready to let us in, So 233 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:01.039 thank you for r. 234 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:04.080 Wil podcast. 235 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.080 Thank you. 236 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:18.759 Kind of mind blowing how wildly ahead of the curve 237 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.519 he was on so many things that what he's saying 238 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.799 and talking about are still so applicable today. It is 239 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:31.919 a really masterful portrait of a very very expansive mind. 240 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:34.720 To just sort of elaborate a little bit more about that, 241 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:36.759 i'd like to bring up director John talk to us. 242 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:45.879 Thank you so much and thank you so much for 243 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.399 having me. I want to thank south By Southwest and 244 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.679 Cludic Cofret and Peter and the team in Verity Productions 245 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:54.320 and Happy Way and all our Carbreat collaborators. 246 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:57.000 And we're really excited to sort of show this film 247 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:57.120 to you. 248 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.360 I think this is a story they. 249 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.519 Need to be told, and you know, we're very very. 250 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.240 Excited that, uh uh, you're getting to. 251 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:08.879 Share with you guys are today? 252 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:13.159 How do you think? 253 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:22.399 Who are your plus today? Let's see you guys for 254 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:22.759 the show. 255 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:59.360 And at the meantime enjoyed them. 256 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:44.480 So much of what he wrote was because he did 257 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:51.639 want to comment on social conditions. 258 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:55.480 We just started talking to the competition, So. 259 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.639 Thank you for qutting us out whoa grab you can't 260 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:03.440 slice that shirt? 261 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:05.600 Oh yes, No, I was gonna say. 262 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:06.360 I'll be there this year. 263 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.919 Well good, well I was there in twenty twenty four 264 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:10.279 when they debut the statue. 265 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.360 So I'm glad that you put that in there. Yeah, 266 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:15.559 that was that was a huge thing to here. Was 267 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.240 that the actual carousel in the in the movie. 268 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.559 So no, we we had shot due to tax credits 269 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.519 in Rhode Island match a carousel which is actually kind 270 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:24.840 of better. 271 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:27.399 The carousel there is little too tight in case. 272 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.879 We wouldn't film, gotcha? Okay, film? 273 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:32.039 We did go to that carousel, Thom figure out. 274 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:33.399 Ah, well that's good. 275 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:35.600 Yeah, like I said, we you know, it was just 276 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.320 so great to when they unveiled that and to go 277 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.000 into that park and to see the carousel and just go. 278 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:43.480 To his house and and and look around and. 279 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:46.759 Go wow, this is what inspired his childhood. 280 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.639 That he as he said, he harkened back when he 281 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.159 was in his late thirties, going man, I could just 282 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:51.720 I just. 283 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.559 Ride that carousel one more time, you know. So so 284 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:55.840 again we appreciate it. 285 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.919 So you said, you're coming to Sturly Fish, do you know, 286 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:02.039 are they going to be able to debut the feller 287 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:03.320 because I have them allowed. 288 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.839 But I don't know, I feel like baby, say or 289 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:08.319 do something. 290 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.160 He'll be something. You got a lot of friends. 291 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:12.680 I'm actually that we're gonna be Dynasty. 292 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.720 Well you know, I'm. 293 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.160 Kind of a surrogate for the whole Twilight Zone. 294 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.119 Podcast for Tom Elliott. Oh and and so yeah, a 295 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:21.960 lot of people were. 296 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.319 Like, oh you be that's someone on your team at last. 297 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:29.000 Early best Okay Chad boy maybe yes, ah, yes, yes, 298 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:31.799 he he was doing the interviews for them, So okay, 299 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:32.559 he's a good guy. 300 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:34.519 He owes me money, but he's a good guy. 301 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:37.359 No, Yeah, well that's good. Now they're they're. 302 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:38.519 They're hoping again. 303 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:41.359 They did say that they had to get permission from 304 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:42.079 you or whoever. 305 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:44.400 Yeah, yeah, we'll definitely try to do something. Well, I 306 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:44.759 don't know what. 307 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:45.279 I don't know why. 308 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:46.440 Okay, we'll good. 309 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:49.359 Well again, Well, well I hope Central Texas is treating 310 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:49.640 you well. 311 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:53.160 It is it is this crazy Texas weather being called. 312 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:55.799 Yeah, well I can't thank you very much. 313 00:17:55.839 --> 00:18:00.839 That was I very much enjoyed it. He got so 314 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.839 tired of trying to make statements who is regular television 315 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:07.680 that he decided, well, if he'd do it through fantasy 316 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:08.680 and science fiction. 317 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:09.880 Or you can get away with it. 318 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:16.200 So we have exited the movie. Theater finished the movie. 319 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:19.160 Theater walked a couple of blocks down to a cafe 320 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.160 to get some hot coffee because it is cold here 321 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:27.839 in Texas, crazy Texas weather. So yeah, so they did. 322 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:29.279 The movie had a little bit of Q and A 323 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.720 at the end. So again here with Ken and just 324 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.240 give a couple of our initial thoughts of the documentary. 325 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.119 So any would you think about it? 326 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:39.599 Overall? 327 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:42.839 I love I thought it was very very informative and 328 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:47.880 a lot of fun to watch. Probably the I hate 329 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:50.559 to say it, I'll probably be the butt of jokes 330 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.319 among you and your friends, but I feel like I'm 331 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:59.559 totally ignorant of the fact that Rod Thirling was co 332 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.680 writer on the Planet of the Apes, which I loved 333 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:05.839 the Planet of the Apes growing up. Well, and now 334 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:09.200 that I know that it makes total sense, well, I. 335 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.119 Am going to direct you back to one of the 336 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:17.720 Twilight Zone podcast episodes where Tom dives into that he 337 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.759 he he. He did the initial treatment of it, but 338 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:26.759 but the studio got involved and and Rod's vision of 339 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:31.359 what Planet of the Apes was was a lot different 340 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.480 than like the movie tenneby the end. The end was 341 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:39.000 totally Rod serling. Oh yeah, but he he yeah, yeah, 342 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.480 so so I will I will send you back to 343 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:42.119 that episode. 344 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:44.559 It's actually really well done. Yeah, that was probably the 345 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:46.599 most surprising thing that I got out of it. I 346 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:50.720 wieved it was like an aha moment. So it was. 347 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:55.200 I think it was a very traditional style documentary. 348 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:55.920 It was. It was. 349 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:58.400 It was done in a very linear I mean it 350 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:01.039 was it was the run flash yeah like that. So 351 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:05.160 it was very clear what year they're talking about. And 352 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.400 you know, as the years came on, you you could say, okay, 353 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.480 well here here, we're getting close to twilight, Zionner, We're 354 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:15.960 getting close to to not gallery things like that. I 355 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:19.319 thought archive bal Yes, a lot of a lot of 356 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:22.359 home video, a lot of home video footage, and they 357 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:24.279 they did make the decision. 358 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:25.480 To use. 359 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:31.920 Actors to portray Rod and Carol Surley and I saw 360 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:35.279 and and of course all of that footage is either 361 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:39.640 shot from the back, so you know, the profile of 362 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:41.960 the actor certainly looks like Rod. He knows how to 363 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:43.000 hold a cigarette. 364 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.079 There's a lot of cigare smoking. 365 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:50.240 A lot of cigarette, yes, and but also either shot 366 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:54.880 from the back or shot in and and blurry vision, you. 367 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:55.880 Know, distance visions. 368 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:58.799 So so you didn't have to have the the the 369 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:02.680 the actual look of Rob Serland, but you know the mannerisms, 370 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:05.160 you know. So so that was that was nice that 371 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:06.720 they were able to do that to fill in, you know, 372 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:09.559 because a lot of it has shown him type another typewriter. 373 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:12.440 I guess. 374 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:18.880 I was wondering if all of that audio footage was Rod, 375 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:21.519 or if they got a voice actor to maybe read 376 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:22.400 some of. 377 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:23.000 His written word. 378 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:25.839 Not sure, but it seemed to indicate at the end 379 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:28.440 that yeah, they had a lot of recordings. 380 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:31.799 Yeah, and with the Q and A with the director afterwards, 381 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.680 he's it seemed to be that they uner you know, 382 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:37.279 recordings tapes that maybe the family had. 383 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:42.799 Yeah. Yeah. So two things kind of struck me. 384 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.599 One was they described Rod Serling as an extrovert. I 385 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.279 I didn't realize that myself, because you know, when you 386 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:54.640 see him as like the narrator, you know, he seems 387 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:57.000 like a you know, kind of a quiet, shy well, 388 00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:58.880 I mean, he was shy on camera, as they said, 389 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:03.000 he was very nervous to do those do the introductions, 390 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.680 clenched teeth talking and as they said, So I thought 391 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.240 that was you know, interesting, But the main one of 392 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.039 the main things that struck me was. 393 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:15.240 It's later on. 394 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:20.880 Uh, it's during the Vietnam War, and he's basically saying, hey, man, 395 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:25.920 television viewers, they don't want to hear the hard stuff, 396 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:29.039 you know, they they you know, they got all these 397 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:34.440 complaints because because they wanted to see the. 398 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:38.359 I Love Lucy Show instead of the Senate. 399 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:40.680 Hearings or whatever. And how Rod was. 400 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:44.799 Very disappointed in the television audience. 401 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:46.559