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Speaker 2: Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome and former BYU. Great.
We got John Beck on the line. John, how are
you oh?
Speaker 4: Hanging in there? Ben? A little tough weekend, lost in
the championship game down here in CIF finals, So a
little bit of a tough pill to swallow in the
Beck couse. It was hard, but we're gonna move forward.
Speaker 2: What does the pipe chart of accountability look like? Due
to that loss?
Speaker 3: I mean, what does that look like when you went
back and watch tape? You know, what would you have
changed about that game?
Speaker 4: I mean it's like any loss in a championship game, right,
you just you go back and you look at like
what plays impacted the momentum of the game, what plays
in critical situations impacted the game? And you know it's
never you know, it's never about one guy or one
position or something like that. It's always just like man
as a team, you watch yourself put in the work,
the effort, you execute and all the games leading up
and you take advantage of opportunity. And we were actually
at one point ahead seventeen to three in the second quarter,
and they took advantage of some opportunities on some drives.
We weren't able to connect on some critical situations, settled
for field goals at other times, and in the second
half kind of we're reeling a little bit, trying to
piece together drives and they had some momentum that they
capitalized on, and unfortunate at the end we lost by thirteen.
So it's tough, man. It's tough being a coach on
the team, helping out all throughout the year, having a
son that was playing quarterback for us, all those things
just make you way more invested, and so it hurts.
It hurts for the seniors. You know, you hurt for
all the other coaches and players that have put in
a lot of time and effort because you're right there.
The game was actually at a home field also, and
so it's like what could have been, you know, could
have been that historic, amazing moment right on our field
with our fans, and ended up being gut wrenching and
just walking off the field and then you know, you
didn't think you're going to lose it, and somehow the
end you do.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry that the Begs didn't get their championship,
but hey, you learn more through your losses than you
do your wins.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, that's what we're.
Speaker 4: Kind of holding on to for the future years. You know,
my son's young, just a sophomore, and we got a
lot of other young players on the team, and you know,
you got to tip your hat to the other team.
They made a lot of plays and you know, we
had some good conversations about what you learn from those experiences,
what you gain and managing some of the situations differently,
and also the fire that burns within you when you
get that close and you have all of that motivation
heading into the offseason, and how great that can be.
And in comparison, sometimes when you win all of the time,
you don't necessarily feel the same way, you don't hurt
the same way, and you don't have that same fire
when things are always going good. And I think that's
why sometimes the losses can really propel you forward in
a way wins can't.
Speaker 3: John Beck here on ESPN the Fan Little College Football segment,
there's a lot of chaos bruin on but let's uh,
let's talk.
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's talk about the chaos real quick.
Speaker 3: There have been now reports and I've been able to
confirm these from multiple sources, that that Penn State is
aggressively sought uh to to offer Kalini Satocki the next
head coaching job at Penn State.
Speaker 2: Kilani and his agents have have heard it. Now.
Speaker 3: He went in front of the media early today and said, like,
I'm not going to discuss any you know, rumors. I'm
focused on the big Toeal Championship, but he didn't deny
those conversations had been executed.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is crazy to me. Kilani is b
Yu threw and through.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's important from a professional standpoint to hear these
offerings and then to go back to the negotiating table
with BA and say.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is what I'm being offered.
Speaker 3: You know, what is it that you're going to do,
and to invest in the future, invest in me, invest
in our coaching staff, invest in Nil. What do you
make of all the chaos that's occurring right now surrounding
BYU and.
Speaker 4: The like, Well, I mean it's one of those without
saying too much things just because of the connections I have.
Kilanie's agent was my agent that I had when I
was a player that I still stay in contact with,
and so like, look the reality. I mean, it's kind
of crazy. I literally just got off the phone with
that agent about other things regarding NFL draft prep stuff
right before this calls. Here. Here's the thing. It's amazing
for Kilani because of the person that he is, the
success that BAU has been able to have. Of course,
teams are going to be coming after a guy like
him who has led the program the way he has.
It's because of everything that Byu has done. Of course,
major programs are going to be coming after him. And truthfully,
there is always way more that most people know in
terms of the teams that are coming after Kilanie. Talking
to Kilanie right like this is just one of those
ones that you know, enough smoke or like enough was
the round there of other people hearing that. Now, how
you know the world's finding out or Kugar Nation is
finding out. But when when you have the type of
success that they've had, every school wants consistency, and if
you look at Kilane and what he has been at BYU,
it has been very consistent. And I know that there's
been a few years that were rough years, but overall,
the consistency has been there. You look at his staff, consistency,
people staying, you look at the what it happened the
last two years. By U is arguably one of the
most consistent winnable programs in the country over the last
two years. So yes, the Penn States of the world
are going to be coming after him. I think Kilani
loves BYU. This is not a thing of does he
love BYU or not. Everybody knows how much it means
to him. Everybody knows how much of the season means
to him. I know that probably BUYU and Kugarnation is
freaking out because of we're all watching the Lane Kiffin
situation happened, and a guy gets, you know, the opportunity
to go to LSU, and all miss fans who a
few days ago absolutely loved him are now showing up
at the airport screaming and yelling at him, you know,
and hating him. You know. Good buddy of mine called
me today and was like, I hope he never ever
steps foot in Mississippi again, you know. I mean, look,
it's tough. It's tough when you feel like there's a
chance of somebody getting pulled away. I think that I'm
sure all of the football people are focusing on what
matters most, and that's the Big Chop Championship. I'm sure
that everyone in the building cares more about that right
now than anything else. I'm sure Colanie is the same way,
everything that you put into it. I just think it's
probably harder for everybody else on the outside because they
don't know what's going on. You know, these type of
things don't just happen overnight those schools like a Penn State,
even though everybody's finding out about it in the last
few days. Those type of things don't happen over the
last few days. Those things happen over weeks. And so look,
it's just going to continue Kilanie. You know, you have
to give him space to do what he fills his
best and whatever he does, I'm happy for him, you know,
either way, I want to see him stay at bau Do.
I love what you has become with him at the Helm.
I love the person that Kilanie is. But that's ultimately
his decision and no one else's. So we'll just have
to all sit back and see what happens.
Speaker 2: BYU was his dream job, BYU is his dream job?
Speaker 3: What would entice someone to leave their dream job, right,
what is it, you know, just generational money that would
do that?
Speaker 2: Is it the feeling of.
Speaker 3: You know, I remember when Bronco was at BYU, it
kind of always felt like he didn't get respect, maybe
from fans and maybe he didn't give it to them donors,
maybe the administration. He always felt like he was fighting
an internal battle. I don't think that that's Kilanie, But
at the same time, you wonder it's like, okay, generational
money versus you know, a feeling of respect and mutual
mutual respect for a job well done, et cetera. But
you know, wanted to get your thoughts. Why would you
leave a a job that was your dream job.
Speaker 4: I mean, I can't speak for what Kloni is going through,
but I can just tell you from the men that
I've been around and seen them in similar situations. I've
seen some people it's about a new challenge. It's about
they love the new challenge of something. For other people,
it's it's stuff has been weighing on them. You might
not know what goes on behind closed doors. You might
not know the relationships that are happening. And even though
the program is winning, what's the conversations happening behind closed
doors with the upper level people there, you know, like
how much support does the person always feel at all
times to do what he wants to do. Sometimes when
these other schools come calling, it's with you know, people
think it's with oh, because they have the open checkbook,
it's about money, But a lot of it comes down
to the conversations about about support, about like aligning themselves
with the vision that that coach has. You know, you
want to feel alignment in the NFL. You call it
to ups in the downstairs, right, Like the upstairs it's
all the management people. It's your scouting department, it's your
general manager, it's the president, it's all of those people
in the downstairs as the football people. You want there
to be alignment within the upstairs and the downstairs. And
I can't speak for what level of alignment is going on,
you know, but like it can be some of those
things too. Of you know, you're hearing somebody offer a
situation that might be enticing because of that, Like I
know for people that like, oh my gosh, you could
never pass up one hundred million dollars, like well, one
hundred million dollars doesn't bring happiness, it just brings a
little bit more comfort. I guarantee there are things that
he's having to think about about his family, about his children,
about the location. I mean, there are so many things
that go into this. It's not just the hell. You know,
how thick can we fill up my pockets? And Klane
is such a good guy that cares so deeply about BYU.
I like, I know all of those things have to
be going through his mind. And I mean, you know,
you talk about Bronco. I remember how shocked we all
were when like when Bronco left and Bronco had his
reasons right, and I think Holly even I read a
statement one time the Holly said, the shoes shocked, you know,
and that's his partner, you know, that's his spouse. Like
sometimes internally inside of all of us, you know, like
there are just things that feel compelling, that feel motivational.
Why do families just sometimes pack up and move and say,
Jackson Hole, Wyoming was calling us and we felt like
that's where we needed to be. Like we can't argue
with that. If a person has that feeling inside of
them that it feels right, And I'm not saying that
he's experiencing any of that, but I just think if
I was in that position, a place that I loved,
that I had dreamed of coaching at, and yet these
some other place that I had never imagined was coming calling,
I would probably go through that internal struggle of what
should I do? And you know, what's right for my
family first and foremost what's right for me. I would
consult with my heavenly father of you know, is like,
is this the right thing for us? And crap, if
if I had all of the feelings that I was
supposed to pack up the family and go, you know,
you got to honor a man's compelling reasons and his
and his like design for his life of what he
feels like he's being called to do. And if that's
the case, then you just thank the person for everything
that they did and you wish them all the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I've been told two stories here and I want
to get your thoughts on it. Number One, Klan he
met with with Brian Shane, Shane Reece Keith working and
they came to an accord that would be deemed a
fair market value and investment in the program that is
based off of the the last six years of productivity
under Klane.
Speaker 2: And his vision.
Speaker 3: And now that that those requests, whatever the pay raise is,
whatever the institutional investment will be for coaches and ni
L for the players, will be evaluated by Elder Clark
Gilbert over CS, he oversees b YU, and then that
will be run up the food chain, the chain of command,
if you will, to the board of Trustees and the
Church of Jesus Christ Letter Saints leadership.
Speaker 2: Right, that's got to be approved.
Speaker 3: The other story, and there's optimism brewing that that we
can figure this out, especially because of what's been invested
in basketball over the years the last two years, specifically
with an NBA coaching staff essentially and NIL offering that
is as competitive as anybody's within hoop. So that's the
first story I've been told. The second story is one
that he's already gone. He's already in principle agreed to
to coach at Penn State, and Penn State's creating a
very aggressive push to get him and any coaches and
any players and executing helping him find more inroads with
Northeast recruiting. But they want him to be that figurehead
that visionary and that b Yu would you know, then
resort to finding that next head coach because they can't
compete resource wise with a eight figure sum and essentially
unlimited resource is that Kilani would receive at Pench State.
So you hear those two stories, they're kind of conflicting
from credible sources. Mind you like, they're they're from credible sources,
and uh, you know, I felt, you know, when I
heard each one of these stories, I felt pretty confident
that they were accurate. And I know you have your
you're abreast of a lot of different things that we are.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: I guess can you ease the uh the tension and
maybe the anxiety of cougarnation with anything right now?
Speaker 2: John?
Speaker 4: I mean I I honestly can't. I just you know,
I'm sure if like my life depended on it and
I got to go find out what's going on, but
I kind of just you know, I mean, look like
the reality is something that as you were talking, I
was thinking about something else that all head coaches care
deeply about is their assistance. Yeah, because you know that
you are only as good as the people around you.
It goes for players. The game is about players. You
got to have good football players. If you want to
be a good football team, it doesn't matter how good
of a staff you have, how smart of a staff
you have, Like you have to have good football players.
And then if you have good football players but you
don't have good teachers, you don't have people that can
help the kids understand, that can help them feel confident
in what they're being asked to do. They can they
can make adjustments in games. If you don't have that,
I don't care how talented the kids are, they can't
go do it on their own. You have to have both.
And so, like I know in these things that he's
going through, he's thinking about his assistants. He's thinking about
all of those guys and saying, like what, you know,
how might their lives change? How might their trajectory change?
Like is BYU the dream job of all of those assistants?
Do all of those guys plan on staying there forever?
Like we all hope? You know, Like what if a
lot of those guys have big dreams of trajectory of
going other places? You know, you look at some of
the guys on the staff that aren't of the LEDs faith,
Like I guarantee for most of them, they probably weren't
even thinking BYU is going to be on their road map,
you know, as a landing spot. But there they are,
and they probably have had a great experience, but they
got high hopes and big dreams and maybe landing somewhere else.
And sometimes it's going to those bigger schools that springboard
some of those guys. And sometimes it's the opportunity to
be paid more at one stop that elevates you in
terms of your pay. If there's other stops after that one,
you know, And you know, here's thing too, We all
know how difficult the coaching life is for college coaches.
It is a hard life. It's a hard life in
spring when you're on the road for all the recruiting.
It's a hard life in season. The coaching life is
a tough life, and people want to feel like they've
earned their pay, meaning like I'm getting paid what I deserve,
you know, And a head coach he wants every person
on that staff to be able to maximize their ability
to have that feeling I am getting paid what I
deserve and I'm maximizing my potential as a coach in
earning Because a lot of wives and a lot of
kids go without seeing their dads for a lot of
the time during the year during football season. And I
was in that position, I would on a want all
of those people helping me on that staff to be
paid as much as they possibly can for their major sacrifices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. John.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about players too, Like we see these moves
that occurr in college football and coordinators go with them,
and you wonder, Okay, well, your position coach and your
coordinator matter a lot the scheme that you're running. The
continuity chemistry means a lot there, and that will also
impact BYU's roster and and so you wonder It's like, okay,
let's say Killani goes And I'm not saying he is.
I'm just saying, like, what if he does, does a
Rod go with him? And as an extension of that,
does bear Bachmeyer go with him?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: That these are all domino effects that we could we
could see happening this offseason.
Speaker 4: They are, They absolutely are. Here's what I would do
if I was the all of YU fans right now
that are sitting at their workstations stressing out over what's
going to happen. Here's what I do. I would remind
myself that BYU has one of the biggest games in
the history of the program happening on Saturday, and that
is what's the biggest thing. And I know it's the
biggest thing for the coaches, it's the biggest thing for
the players, and this should be something for fans to enjoy. Like,
as frustrated as I am about my team's loss on
Saturday and all the ways that I feel like maybe
I could have done a better job to help out,
I would be completely lying if I didn't say a
part of me looked up an ESPN and saw that
BYU plays against Texas Tech this Saturday, and wasn't hyped
to hope that these guys can pull off this big
win because it would be monumental, historic, all of those things.
And I know the guys on that staff well enough
to know they are not sitting at their offices right
now writing down a piece of paper of pros and
cons of should I stay, what's going to happen if
Kilane leaves. They know it's out of their hands, Like
they don't have control over what the head coach does.
Think back to when bronkle end that Hall made his decision,
he had coaches that were out on the road doing
recruiting when they found out that he was leaving the school.
So like, ultimately Klanie's the one that holds the decision.
All of those assistants, I promise they know that what's
out of their hands is out of their hands, and
what's within their control is the game on Saturday. And
they're working their butts off, they're preparing their butts off
the players. They're not I doubt they're stressing about it.
They got bigger fish to Friday this Saturday. They have
a team that they know is one of the best
teams in the country. And like competitive people, this is
where the like the thing's different. Competitive people know how
to separate things and they know how to say where
do I put my time, effort, effort and energy, and
they say, I'm going to steer it this direction. If
this team wants an opportunity to win on Saturday, it's
how many people can be pointed the right direction, and
the right direction right now is focused on that game.
And so that's what I would say if I was
a bille You Cougar fan that was stressing out today.
I would just try to remember that, right now, what's
the most important thing to the football program, It's the
game on Saturday. What's the most important football thing to
the radio people? And nothing against the radio stuff and
the media, but they love the story, right, they love
the story of what's going on. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't like these like this is these are the
days I hate, actually, John, and like I would rather
talk about that UCF win and get schematic and nerdy
with you.
Speaker 2: I I hate these days. My wife also hates.
Speaker 3: Them when I'm having to interact with people on Sunday, right, Like,
it's not I hate these times.
Speaker 4: But you're right, maybe you're too maybe you're too invested.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, no, there there I am, and we all
know who I am, and you know obviously the ties
of BYU that I have, and maybe I'm more of
a fan than an actual media member. It's okay, but
it's it's tough, man, Yeah, I mean there is a
certain amount of like drama. This is our I guess,
our reality TV show those that love sports, right, the
men that love sport. This is our reality TV show
that we we monitor sure, and that we delve into
right that it becomes a part of our.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, look, kids that I think if we're talking
about like the situations that could happen, I think the
NCAA has to fix one more broken thing, oh with
the way it has shaped the schedule of events that
can happen, because I think it's an absolute disaster. How
like a school can make an offer to a coach
and a coaching staff that is so enticing, and then
that they can make demands on when that coach has
to be in their building with his staff and with
all of the effort that the kids put in and
the coaches to get somewhere with the team, how that
can be broken and just cut right in a pivotal moment,
Like if I'm being honest. Also, I so bad for
the Ole Miss players as much as they are going
to try to say the right things and do the
right things, and they're going to stand up and talk
about how they can still accomplish everything that they wanted. Man,
come on college football, Like, you should not let schools,
as much as recruiting is important, change the windows. Change
the whole transferport a window, change the recruiting window, change
all of that stuff so that a coach can finish
out a season with his team before he has to
worry about what he's doing next. Like make a rule like, yeah,
you know what, you guys can go chase the guys
whose seasons are done, but when their season is not done,
like come on, like something's got to be different, or
just make it across the board for everybody, say you
can't talk to anybody until whatever the last game is
January twentieth or something like that, or you know, hey,
nobody can talk to anybody till then. And you know what, recruits,
just wait, like you guys can't cry. You're getting paid
one hundreds of thousands of dollars and some of you
guys are getting paid millions right now, you're going to
be just fine, Like like, I just think that's a
major broken thing because you know what it's doing is
it's fracturing the playoff system. As great as it is
that college football has a playoff system, right now, it's
breaking it because you're inviting teams to be in the
playoff that are top teams and then you're stripping them
of people that they need to help them, and you're
trying to tell us that that's the best thing for
college football. Full crap, You're going to watch some of
these teams who have their coaches pulled from them struggle
in this game. And you know you did, you went
and you and you hampered and you hurt the college
athletes experience, right, I mean you just that's the tough part, man,
That's the really tough part for the athletes. And it's
not I mean, yes, it's a business, but these are
also eighteen, nineteen, twenty, and twenty one year old kids
that have been dreaming about playing in those games since
they were little kids. You know, some of those kids
growing up watching SEC football, Big ten football, Big twelve football,
dreaming about playing in the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl,
I mean the Cotton Bowl. Like yeah, they want to
have those dreams realize, and they've been putting in a
lifetime of effort and then all of a sudden you
find out you're in the playoffs and your coach is gone.
That is just tough, way tough, and I think that
needs to be fixed.
Speaker 2: John.
Speaker 3: For those that are tuning in, that have quarter within
the walls of their home, how can they align with
train three D QB and get the best out of
their biomechanics, their throw ability, their football IQ ability as
a quarterback.
Speaker 4: You know what, a lot of stuff's going on. We
have a lot of families that are already reaching out
talking about during that Christmas break, they want to come
out and get some time in already the start of
Reek to January. Martin Luther King weekend. I believe that
we already have camps going on and as guys transition
between sports. I think I said this on the last
show we did, but a lot of these guys that
are just finishing up right now, it's go out and
put some time on the field. Go out and have
your tape evaluated. You know, my son and I we
already started our Hey, let's sit down with a notebook
and let's go through every single play that's happened throughout
this season, whether you were the guy that took the snap,
whether there's another quarterback that took the snap. Like, let's
go through everything that we can learn from what we
just experienced, and then, you know what, we can spend
a little bit of time just improving in some areas,
going back out on the field and talking through some situations,
throwing some balls. You can still improve even when you're
going to transition to another sport because the growth, the learning,
all of that is always happening.
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in college football insider Matt Brown of Extra Points, Matt,
how you living?
Speaker 5: You know I'm doing great. I think we're kind of
joking about this. A couple hours ago. I had a
really really RESTful, resetting Thanksgiving holiday. I was I was
getting ready to write a story about Canadian Division two
hockey for tomorrow, getting into some real inside baseball nerd stuff,
and wouldn't you know it, it seems like once again
I need to talk about what's going on in your
neck of the woods.
Speaker 2: I know, man, I know you have.
Speaker 3: You have a lot of sources throughout college athletics and
college football, and one story kind of resides within your
geography right now and also impacts byu Kaloni Satake.
Speaker 2: Who's been named a candidate.
Speaker 3: For multiple horses right now that there's some ongoing maybe
negotiations for the next head coaching position, the vacancy at
Penn State, what have you learned about this situation give
us maybe a thirty thousand foot view synopsis.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you had asked me last week, I would
have said this sounds kind of ridiculous. But around you know,
late Saturday, I started getting some text text messages, and
not originally from people in Utah, but from people in
the Penn State universe and from national people and people
in the college sports industry, you know, asking hey, have
you been following this? I want you to know this.
This is the thing that's happening. Penn State is going
to be in Utah. What do you think about this
potential mix? And then, you know, along with it, seems
like a third of the rest of the internet, anyone
that's not watching the Lane kiff and press conference is
kind of zooming and talking about this. What I would say,
and I want to use my words carefully because I
want to be able to potentially still come back and
visit Utah sometime, is that I do not know if
Penn State will formally offer this gig or if Kilanie
will take it. I don't know if this is primarily
about leverage. I don't know if this is where he
really wants to go.
Speaker 4: I know enough from all the people blowing on my phone.
Speaker 5: Right now that I trust that those are very real conversations.
And I think the fact that they have gotten to
be very real conversations, given the time of year where
this is, and given what's happening nationally, I think that's
a big surprise and speaks to maybe some bigger questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you wonder, right, It's like, Okay, what
what would Penn State be offering Kilanie Shotak to you
as a great resume? Since twenty twenty, he's gone eleven
and one, ten and three, eight, five, five and seven,
and then he's now gone two consecutive years of eleven
and two and now eleven. And when he's in the
college or the conference championship game versus Texas Tech, what
type of dollar amount is that? Does that merit on
the free market right now? In the college football landscape
that we're living in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Penn State is a top six seven job
in eight in college football. And and at this point
right now, those coaches are making eight figures. Those are
those are those are ten million dollars a year games
and and and that's moving up or at least very
close to that neighborhood. I don't think either of us
are are telling tales here to say like, yeah, I
don't that's not typically where b why you had spent
either either because they don't have the money or they
don't want to spend that kind of money. And it
doesn't happen very It doesn't happen very often where a
really big program comes sniffing around your coach. This would
represent a very aggressive salary change for klone, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know that could be generational money, right comparatively speaking, like,
I don't know how aggressive be why you would be.
You know, I've heard numbers sloatered around over the years, like, uh,
you know, I want to say post COVID, I want
to say, like the number that was flowed around was
like maybe three million. After the twenty twenty four extension,
I want to say it was around like four million,
four point three million, with incentives that could get up
to five million.
Speaker 2: The average big twelve head coaching salary I believe is.
Speaker 3: Around four point nine million, and so you know, i'd
imagine Penn State could offer at least twice as much
as that, And I don't know how competitive BYU could
really get here, Although basketball.
Speaker 2: As I've conversed with others, I'm like.
Speaker 3: They Brian Santie, who sent a president for for basketball,
Matt Norlander CBS Sports Reporter that it was a seven
year I want to say, thirty million dollar deal, and
that's like an annual four point three and it could
be even more than that after his last extension. So
Kevin Young was making that amount. Uh, what if football
runs the ship at BYU, shouldn't he he gets some
sort of a percentage increased from that. I don't know
how all universities allocate funds, but doesn't the football head
coach typically get twenty, thirty, forty, maybe fifty percent more
than the college basketball coach.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's it's going to depend on the school,
but that's not uncommon. And what I could say is, like,
you know, if you think Kilani is a top twenty
college football coach, I don't know how you feel. I
would say that's I think that's a little conservative. I
would probably put him higher than that among sitting and
higher eight coaches. But if if that is where you
where you where you sought him in being paid a
little over four million dollars is substantially undermarket, whether whether
it should be six, whether it should be eight, something
else in that range. That's about the going rate. Now,
you and I both know, and I'm sure everybody listening
to this program knows that. Yeah. Historically, if you work
for BYU, whether you're in athletics or academics or in
development or facilities, you are generally not going to get
the high point of your market salary. The institution does
not pay top dollar for almost anything because they want
you to be there for reasons other than money. And
we can debate whether that's a good a good thing
or a bad thing, but that's historically been in reality.
You're right starting to shift a little bit here in basketball,
and I won I could understand why anybody involved with
football would look at what's happening in basketball and potentially
be frustrated. And I think, and I don't know the
right answer to this, but if you're gonna be say
we're gonna we're gonna compete for championships, we want to
be performing at the highest level. And you've got one
team that's in the upper quartile of spending on both
coaches and honestly on payroll, whether that money is coming
from BYU or Red Bull or you know who, you know,
the Nancy Reagan Billboard Fund or whoever. Like you know,
the money is going to the basketball players if you're
in the top quartile in men's basketball, I don't know
who you're fooling if you if you say, like, but
we're not going to be in the big money race
if you're you know, by spending less in football, Like
are you winn or are you not? And that's that's
not a question I can answer. But that's a question
you need all the answer to when your football coach
who has been very successful and wants to be here
and as an alum, is saying, I've got another offer
here for a lot more money, Like how.
Speaker 3: Much how much smoke is there really around this Penn
State deal or offering?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like what I find interesting is this.
Speaker 3: There's been a few that have gone on record, right,
but they're they're mostly non traditional.
Speaker 2: Media sources. Right.
Speaker 3: You have kind of this Calshy momentum. It's a betting
kind of he can bet on anything on this website,
you know. I mean there's some moments any there, right,
you can bet on anything. They're not tried and true, verified,
validated sources that that no one willing to nessly go
on record and say you know that that Colonia Sataki
is going to be the next head coach at Penn State.
They just say that there's negotiations, right, there's like but no, yeah,
even then, like, no one within the college football world,
Pete Amble or Brett McMurphy yourself, right, no one's gone
out and said, hey, this is about to happen.
Speaker 2: So what do we make of that?
Speaker 5: Well, it's funny. It's funny. You mentioned that as we're
talking on three put out of tweet from Brett McMurphy
and his colleagues that says that Colonie has emerged as
Penn State's top target, which is different from saying that
he's going to take the job. People can emerge, and
but you know, there's there's language that kind of gets
sent out from agents and everyone's kind of cribbing the
same verbs and and and and that's how this stuff works.
For Penn State specifically, that's kind of a weird situation
because even though they're a huge brand, they don't have
very many full time dedicated beat writers. Right. The athletic
laid off their staffer. The pen the State college is
like three and a half hours from both Pittsburgh or
and Philadelphia, so you you weirdly have a team that's
that's not as exhaustively covered as some of these other things.
And if you have an ad that really wanted to
keep this search secret. I heard almost nothing about this
search and the other people they talked to before Klani
until Saturday. It's going to be hard for.
Speaker 4: People to figure it out.
Speaker 5: Whereas if you're LSU and you're holding press conferences with
the freaking governor on statewide television and you have a
beatcore of forty people, it's harder to move silently because
everyone involved talks a little bit more. And that's not
really how things work at Penn State, for good or
for ill, certainly not how things work around here. What
I would feel most, what I you know, kind of
shared yesterday with feel comfortable saying on the air in
this market and writing now, is I know that those
conversations are legitimate enough to talk about and that they're
not just message board fodder or you know, ute fantasy
or anything that's real. Well will that be how it ends?
I don't know, because people take this job and take
other jobs for different reasons. I'll say this, I don't
think b one you needs to offer ten million dollars
a year to keep them. But how close they're willing
to go on control or length of contract or revenue
sharing or other things. Well, I guess we're going to
find out in a couple of hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh if I'm killani right, the first thing
I'm probably doing, Like the the dollar amount isn't as
pivotal as probably the tenure or long term, long term
investment from BYU as an institution. Right, So you know,
you come to them and you say, I want a
ten year deal. Well, we don't do ten year deals.
We can do a five year deal. Well, they're offering
me this amount, like they're watching offering me. Let's say,
let's say it's equivalent to what James Frank was making
eight point five million. Maybe it's nine million, maybe it's
ten million, right, whatever, that looks like. You have that
on the table, You have that as a bargaining chip.
You're like, look like, this is what they're offering me.
I'm not asking for that. I'm just asking for investment
long term. If you give me five years and you
come up to six point five million, Does that do it?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Like they're going to go back and forth here, and
you wonder how much how much they're going to meet
in the middle here, because I don't think b YU
will ever be the top team to bid on a coach.
But like they've said, I think unofficially many sources in
the NIL world, they're not going to be highest bidder,
but they're going to be competitive, right, is what they've said.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's I I'm trying to think of the
best way I can I could talk about this so
that not sounding horribly biased or angry or anything, but
but you're you're kind of falling down, going down a
different road. If your north star is we don't want
to be the high bidder, but we want to be competitive,
because that's pretty nebulous. It is competitive in this case
six seven eight To your point, how much how much
leeway are you willing to give for length of contract?
One nice thing about b YU if you're a coach
is historically they are way less trigger happy than comparable programs,
and I think part of that stems to this is
not an institution that ever wants to pay a gigantic buyout.
And also because there's just not that many people who
are eligible to work at BYU right like you, you
and I have talked about this. We can we can
count all of the sitting division the FBS head coaches
who are lds on one hand, and we can count
all of the potential hypothetical candidates for this job on
two hands. If you don't have that many backup plans,
you're you're not going to be itchy with a trigger finger.
But I could also understand why somebody would want a
longer deal if the other people in the market are
willing to give them one. I don't want to sit
here and say, like byus the hipocritical or screwing up
if they if they, if they don't go higher than
seven or anything else. I don't know what the top
line is for what they could conceivably pay. I just
know that, like what they're getting right now, production wise,
is far exceeds what they are currently paying.
Speaker 3: In this report from On three, their stating sources have
told On three that the Navy Alliance have made it
clear made it clerics to Tuckety that they will offer
a lucrative salary pool, including defensive coordinator j Hill. The
Cougars are fifty six and nineteen. That that record since
twenty twenty. That ranks as the seventh best mark among
FBS programs, behind only Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon, Notre
Dame in Michigan.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like they're upping the empty to attract
j Hill, right.
Speaker 3: So that would be intriguing to me because you know
many are saying, well, Jay's the the the assistant head coach,
He's the head coach in waiting. If Klani were to
take his talents to Penn State, Kalani would may be
willing to say, look, I'll take you know eight million,
but I need you to make j Hill the highest
paid defensive coordinator assistant coach in college football.
Speaker 2: Penn State's done that in the past, haven't they.
Speaker 5: Matt Browns And literally this year they did that with
Jim Knowles when they hired him away from Ohio State
to be their defensive coordinator. And uh, Penn State's defense
was terrible this year, and and and and that happens.
Like when you have the Big ten TV money and
you have the fan base that Penn State has, it's
it is an enormous institution. They have a gajillion alumni,
and they have some a couple of boosters who like,
are you know you are as mega wealthy as anything
that b YU has, Yeah, you can afford to do that.
I think that would be the absolute worst case scenario
for BYU to not only lose the second best coach
in schoolhit and a admirable avatar and advocate for your
faith and institution, to lose him to a bigger job
that hurts, to lose the obvious backup candidate as somebody
who has a high level coaching experience that has done
such a good job. I think that would be a catastrophe,
not just because the timing, because BYU is still controls
their own destiny for playing on the college football playoffs,
it's potentially winning a national title. It's unlikely they're not
eliminated yet, so that the timing for that is I
think catastrophic. And then I think the pool of potential
candidates you have beyond Hill are unless you get Bronchomenden
how to come back, are simply not at the level
of experience that you'd want for a upper level Big
twelve job. I don't think this is a gig where
you can bring in somebody who hasn't been a high
level coordinator for a long time, or somebody who's only
recently become a position coach, and then hope that you
can build a really good staty around them. I think
the complexity of college football has moved on so much
that it would be very, very risky to promote a
position coach, or to grab a high school coach, or
to grab somebody who isn't from this world.
Speaker 4: And losing both of these guys.
Speaker 5: I think would put THEYU in a very difficult position.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that would be worst case scenario.
Speaker 3: A lot of people feel like, well, if Kaloni leaves,
Jay's most definitely the guy, but Penn State is over here,
Like not so fast, you know, we're bringing that entire
staff with us that's been winning high level football games
in high level places over the last six years.
Speaker 5: I've joked about this, but I think it would be
important for the long term health of DAU athletics for
there to be a very targeted missionary campaign tied to
NACTA or tied to AFCA or something. It's time to
start baptizing some more coaches and get them into this
pipeline because there's there's no uh, there's just there's just
not enough people, right like, and this it's kind of
an issue for basketball too. You know, you've got, you've
got They hopefully, for their sake, they won't have to
make any changes for a long time. But between the
NBA and the current college and the current college ranks,
there's just not that many people. And sometimes that works
out because you don't need there to be a lot
of people if you get the right person. But if
there's only six possible people who can do the job,
and four of them are gonna need a lot of
coaching up, and the job has now become more expensive
and more difficult and more more high profile, brother, you
better nail it. And if you nailed it, brother, you
better keep that guy because they end up having a
lot of leverage. I I I I do not know
whether whether this happens. I do not know which assistances go.
I'd be I would be shocked if they took everybody
because Penn State historically has really needed to build high
school relationships in the metropolitan DC area, metropolitan Philadelphia all
along for Virginia and Andrew, You're going to want some
people to have ties to those regions besides just the
Utah centric staff. But they have the money to bring
whoever wherever they want if money is the issue here.
Speaker 2: Matt Brown, ladies and gentlemen, loves chatting with you.
Speaker 4: Matt.
Speaker 3: When do you think we hear maybe an official word
on this? Do you think this is extended past these
conference championship games before we air anything official?
Speaker 5: I honestly, I would be pretty surprised if we're still
talking about this and hypotheticals by the end of the
day tomorrow. The longer the longer it drags out without
anything official, the more likely I would think that that
that he stays it would be untenable to have this
kind of hypothetic, hypothetical stuff over anybody's head coming into
a conference championship game. That it's not good for anybody.
This is happening now, the worst like the best time
for this to end is like now. The next best
time is as close to now as possible for both
for both teams.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Matt always appreciated our time together. Best way to
support you, what you do, how you do it, for
all of our listeners.
Speaker 5: You can find my work at extra Points mb dot com.
Normally it's about off the field stuff in the college
sports industry, whether that's concession stand revenue, conference re alignment,
television deals, administrative changes, policy, all that stuff. I imagine
I'll end up writing about the coaching carousel in the
next thirty six hours.
Speaker 2: Love it, Matt. Always appreciate our time together.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Matt, been my pleasure.
Speaker 5: Hopefully we'll talk again about halfier things, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, hopefully there's some good news at the
end of this week. That's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, be well, my friend. I'll talk to
you soon.
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