WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:07.160 on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:09.240 Bill's leaving, We're coming in, and you know, you kind 5 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:13.240 of have a conversation with Bill and he always says 6 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:16.559 sort of stuff that is it's funny. 7 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:17.160 Wrong. 8 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.079 Well, I think it's what a lot of people are thinking, 9 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:22.120 but they wouldn't. 10 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.160 Say, yeah, he's just there's no filter on Billy him. 11 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:24.679 Zero filter. 12 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:25.679 It's so funny. 13 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:28.120 And it had to do with me being pregnant. 14 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:34.079 Well, it's the thing that you find when you're pregnant. 15 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:36.479 Apparently I'm learning this from Marlow. You know, Marla is 16 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:39.240 expecting in March, March, March March. 17 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:44.039 And what I'm learning from you is that people see 18 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:47.359 that you're pregnant and they react and sort of reflexibly 19 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:50.399 say something to you. And I think they're trying to 20 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:55.320 help or trying to contribute anyway to the joy, the journey, 21 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:59.439 the adventure, but oftentimes it lands awkwardly. 22 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:03.560 Well it's it's a whole whole lot of unsolicited advice, 23 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:07.599 that's one way to put it. They're trying to relate 24 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:09.879 and say, oh, yes, this and then you should this 25 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.000 is how you should raise your kid, or this is 26 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:14.400 how this is exactly what you should be feeling right now, 27 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:17.120 all of that. But you know, Bill didn't know I 28 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:19.319 was pregnant, So when I walked in, He's like, either 29 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:21.359 you gained an obscene. 30 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.560 Amount of weight. That was a joke, kid, of course, 31 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:24.439 of course it was. 32 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.760 But that was so so he a. 33 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.159 Bill was reacting in the you know, the initial way 34 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:31.920 that so many people that we're like kind of what 35 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.760 we're alluding to react when they see it. They go, oh, uh, wow, 36 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:40.120 you're pregnant. Gosh, it's like kind of late in life 37 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:41.439 to have ah yeah. 38 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:45.200 Yeah, so yeah, he says, why in the world would 39 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.040 you be having a kid at your age, which I've. 40 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:54.760 Heard before and people that way say best wishes, Yeah, exactly, exciting. 41 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.200 Something and uh, he's not wrong. 42 00:01:57.359 --> 00:01:59.760 I mean, this is part of the the the what 43 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.799 we talked about obviously, my husband and I John, we 44 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:05.920 talked about this and this was supposed to happen years ago. 45 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:08.280 I mean, I can get into the whole story. I 46 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:09.560 don't know if you want to hear the whole story, 47 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:11.560 I don't think so. But bottom line is that it 48 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:16.879 happened now, and yes, I'm no spring chicken, but that's 49 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:20.639 what IVF is for, and it's it's. 50 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:22.280 What we wanted and the other thing is And that's 51 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:24.759 why I think it's instructive just to hear you speak 52 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:26.120 about it, is that a lot of people are going 53 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.000 to the same thing making the decisions. 54 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:28.159 You know. 55 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.080 I've heard from so many couples who've reached out and said, 56 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:32.719 you know, am I too old? 57 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:37.479 It's a personal decision and it's only you can make 58 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:38.120 that decision. 59 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.879 And for us, it was something again that we thought 60 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.840 long and hard about and now could not be more excited. 61 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:46.560 I have to say something, you know, because you hear 62 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:48.400 this a lot and just turned a little bit of 63 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:51.919 for the handle. You know, you're old, so you know, 64 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:54.960 because you're old, they're going to be you know, you'll 65 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:56.759 be old by the time the child. 66 00:02:57.719 --> 00:02:59.719 Is you know, you won't even be able to meet 67 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:03.439 your RANX. Yeah that's what he said, So play the 68 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:05.520 other end of that. Okay, So you have kids when 69 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:09.280 you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty, whatever, and you end up with 70 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.800 this argument people going, well, it's too bad that you 71 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:14.919 had kids so young, because it would have been nice 72 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.159 if you had enjoyed each other for a while and 73 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.439 enjoyed life for that twenty to thirty decade or whatever. 74 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.360 Again, neither's right, right, Sure one is right. 75 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.719 But you can see both perspectives, and I think both 76 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:27.719 perspectives have merit. 77 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:30.360 It's a complete lifestyle choice. Yeah, it really is. 78 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:34.800 You know, I lived a lot in my twenties and thirties, 79 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.520 and you know here I am, and I had a 80 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:41.439 lot of good experiences and traveled and obviously worked a lot, 81 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.199 and now I'm ready. 82 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:46.960 Well, i'd also say the wisdom of age helps you. 83 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:49.599 I think as a parent, I would think, Again, I 84 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:49.919 don't know. 85 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:50.599 I'll let you know. 86 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:52.840 Yeah, we'll keep you updated. 87 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:57.520 Speaking of updates today, updating the wildfire situation that pressure 88 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:04.479 was would say there was some information the things that 89 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:07.280 people really want to know, And Marley was saying this earlier. Yeah, 90 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:10.599 we're just kind of talking off the air. The things 91 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:12.719 that people really want to know are associated with when 92 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.280 they can go back right to these evacuation. 93 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.160 Zones, because there are tens of thousands of people who 94 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:18.560 are still out of their homes right now. 95 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.480 Yeah. I don't know that question was really answered. 96 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.279 No, So Ellie County Scheff Robert Luna. 97 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:25.959 He said it's going to be at least a week 98 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:28.680 at least, we're at least a week out until people 99 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:32.680 can return home. And this is because I'm referring to 100 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.199 and he's referring to if you are in a current 101 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:40.079 evacuation zone, of course, and he talks about debris removal. 102 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:44.480 He talks about they're still coming through the properties and 103 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.800 looking for human remains, God forbid. 104 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.079 So it's a process that has to happen. 105 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:54.959 There's hazardous materials and waste, hence the debris removal, So 106 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:57.040 it's going to be some time. But then Ellie County 107 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:02.480 Board Supervisor Catherine, of course, the board chair, she spoke 108 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:06.000 and she basically said that's basically not an that that 109 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.519 is an unacceptable timeline we had. She said, we haven't 110 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:14.240 given the people a concrete date and they deserve that 111 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.399 because they're frustrated, they want to go home. 112 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:19.120 They should have a better timeline. 113 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.680 So she's pressing Unified Command to be able to pinpoint 114 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:24.879 a date of return. 115 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.839 Yeah, and I get that. There there's so many variables, 116 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:29.839 it's very hard to pin down a date. Perhaps, but 117 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:33.399 you do need to plan, you know, And so I 118 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:33.759 get that. 119 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:36.399 Yeah, I mean a lot of people are. They're staying 120 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:41.160 with friends, they're at hotels. It's it's like CouchSurfing all 121 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.560 over and at a moment's. 122 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.639 Notice, couch searching with a family. I mean, yeah, yeah, right. 123 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:50.920 Twenty five people are believed, as Marla was sort of saying, 124 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:53.560 believe to be dead. More than a dozen others remain 125 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:57.800 unaccounted for the Palace Age fire, twenty three seven hundred 126 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.639 and thirteen acres again, twenty two percent content, nine deaths 127 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:06.879 in that blaze, fifty three hundred and sixteen structors structures 128 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:09.319 burned to the Eating fire in the San Gabriel Valley 129 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:15.199 fifty five percent contained fourteen thousand acres. Just over fourteen 130 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.959 thousand acres. Excuse me, I had a curb my throat. 131 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:19.879 I'm here for you. 132 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:24.879 Approximately, yeah, just over seven thousand structures believe to be 133 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:29.319 damaged or destroyed, including vehicles at sixteen deaths, another and 134 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.600 five firefighter injuries in that fire as well. 135 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:33.439 That's the Eating fire in San Gabriel Valley. 136 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:35.920 And did you I'm sorry, did you go over the 137 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:36.639 Palisades fire? 138 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:36.920 Yeah? 139 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:40.319 We did the policyze so yeah, And as. 140 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:42.879 A journalist though, and I know we can get lost 141 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.519 in the numbers and all of that. I if anyone 142 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:51.399 from cal Fire or La County Fire is listening right now, 143 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.639 there is a major discrepancy that is being reported and 144 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:57.240 we need to get to the bottom of it. And 145 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:02.319 this just has to do with structure loss, and maybe 146 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:04.480 not to the average person, it doesn't matter, but I 147 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:06.319 do think it makes a significant difference. 148 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:07.240 And what do I mean by this? 149 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.959 That La County Fire Chief today and all along for 150 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.759 the last several days, has been reporting seven thousand plus 151 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.879 structures damaged or destroyed in the Eaten fire. 152 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:20.519 Seven thousand plus structures. 153 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:22.680 We've been going with that number at Fox eleven, all 154 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.040 of the local stations have been as well in the 155 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:32.160 Parrot Palisades fire, fifty three hundred structures lost there. Well, 156 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.120 then when you go to cal Fire on the Incident 157 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.519 Command page, which we get a lot of our updates 158 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.519 from in terms of containment, those numbers are the same 159 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.079 as CALF or as La County Fire, but their numbers 160 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:47.279 for structure loss are about half of what La County 161 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:48.120 Fire is reporting. 162 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.120 So are there discrepancies here that have to be squared? 163 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:51.519 Yes? 164 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:52.720 Those, yeah, I mean. 165 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:54.800 But it's not one or two or a dozen. 166 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:58.399 It's we're talking fifty percent, which is a significant difference. 167 00:07:58.560 --> 00:07:59.360 Also, we'll get to. 168 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.160 An emerging aspect of this fire in the aftermath, which 169 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:05.920 is the toxic ash in particulate matter. 170 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.279 So we'll get to all of that as well. 171 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.519 There are other things happening too, Middle East to a 172 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.720 piece deal appears to be shaky. We'll touch on that. 173 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:15.000 There's actually a lot going on today. We will continue. 174 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:18.000 Okay, so we're talking about the latest as it relates 175 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.720 to our wildfires. The other bit of good news that 176 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.720 we heard doesn't come as a huge surprise. But finally 177 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.720 most of the red easy for me to say red 178 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:32.320 flag warnings have expired. That second huge, big wind event 179 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:38.679 didn't materialize as terribly as anticipated. So no little to 180 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:41.279 no new growth on both the Palisades and Eaten Fire. 181 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:42.720 So that is great news. 182 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:46.960 The only other thing to think about is come Monday, 183 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:48.639 there's another Santa Ana wind. 184 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.159 Event now the end of Tuesday. They say they were 185 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:53.639 saying that the press conference. It's funny I was thinking 186 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.159 as they were speaking and they were talking about the 187 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.559 fact and obviously, as Marla's just noted, the read well, 188 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.279 the wind event that was supposed to be bad, but 189 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.240 not quite as bad as the initial event didn't really 190 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.440 materialize it, and we spoke to him. We spoke to 191 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:10.799 a National Weather Service meteorologist who had sort of hipped 192 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:13.519 us to the fact that it may not be quite 193 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:17.639 as bad as originally forecast. So in a way, even 194 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.879 the revised forecast didn't really. 195 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:23.039 Know because he gave it a nine versus a ten 196 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:23.639 last week. 197 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:27.200 Oh, is that right, he's about twenty percenty. Whatever the 198 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:31.039 however he computed it or calculated it or described it numerically, 199 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.759 it wasn't as bad. And I was thinking to myself, 200 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.960 I wonder if Karen Bass, who was so embattled. We 201 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:41.279 talked so much about her yesterday and I don't think 202 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.879 she'll survive this. But I wonder if she was thinking 203 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.200 to herself, you know, she's doing her own calculation, like, well, 204 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.559 the forecast is bad, but forecasts sometimes can be wrong. 205 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:56.320 I'm going to take this trip to Africa and kind 206 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:59.600 of hope that this forecast isn't. Now I think that's 207 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:01.600 a bad don't get me wrong. Well, I was trying 208 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.840 to figure out how she somehow rationalized that trip to 209 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.200 Africa at a time when her community was likely imperiled 210 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:10.840 by this major weather event. 211 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.960 We live in southern California, So the red flag warnings 212 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:14.840 that people hear. 213 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:16.080 That's that's all. 214 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:16.639 They're common. 215 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:17.840 They're common, very common. 216 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:21.639 But what's not common when the forecast warning comes with 217 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:26.480 life threatening Well, and that's exactly what she heard before 218 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:27.000 she left. 219 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.519 Look at the wind velocities that were forecast eighty to 220 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:32.679 one hundred mile an hour winds. I mean, I had 221 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:38.399 not seen a forecast like that, and I was a forecaster. Okay, yeah, 222 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.440 this is in your wheelhouse. I hadn't seen anything like 223 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:44.639 that in years. And usually you see those wind velocities quoted, 224 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.279 and they're associated with mountain peaks where they're typically much 225 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:51.320 higher winds, et cetera. But at sea level, they were 226 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:54.919 looking at wind velocities, forecast wind velocities in excess of 227 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:56.759 sixty and seventy miles an hour. 228 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.480 I mean, that is an alarming cast. 229 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.840 So somebody either didn't communicate that to her, or she 230 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:06.279 didn't take it seriously, or she hoped it was wrong. 231 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:12.360 But whatever the breakdown was, it is unacceptable and I 232 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.480 think she'll pay a huge political price for it. 233 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:16.759 How much credence do you put into the change dot 234 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.879 org petition that's demanding her resignation. 235 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.000 It ain't a good thing. I'll tell you that. It 236 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:22.759 ain't a good thing. 237 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:28.559 It seems to be sort of losing uh speed, though I. 238 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:32.679 Think it's because because because things lose visibility over over 239 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:33.120 the days. 240 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.519 Sure, sure, I mean I just I checked it this morning, 241 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:38.639 and yesterday it was at one hundred and forty three 242 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.960 thousand signatures. Today it's at one hundred and forty seven thousand, 243 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:44.480 So just four thousand people in the last twenty four 244 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:46.320 hours and needs to get up to one eighty for 245 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.519 it to really do something. 246 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:51.840 And the drum beat to replace her or for her 247 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:55.120 to resign, it's going to fade over the days. And 248 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.799 I'm sure again in politics, you hope that you know 249 00:11:57.919 --> 00:11:59.960 something else bumps it if you're apologic. 250 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:04.519 Hey, look at Kevin da leone perfect example. He waited 251 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.480 it out. I mean, he lost the election, but he 252 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.000 survived Initially. 253 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:15.679 There is in the Altadena area concern about several things. 254 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.200 First of all, the air is bad. 255 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:23.960 The toxins that are suspended in the air really bad. 256 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.039 In fact, we're going to talk about that a little 257 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.279 bit later this hour with a doctor who is a 258 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.159 medical contributor I know over there with you at Fox eleven, 259 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.639 who will talk about the fact that there is ash 260 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:41.720 suspended in the air and it doesn't show up on 261 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:43.919 air quality maps. So when you see these air quality 262 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.159 maps that you constantly see on local news, and you 263 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.759 know it's green, it's yellow, it's red, it looks green, 264 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:53.519 which is a lower level of particulate matter. But the 265 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.960 reality is it's not measuring a lot of the toxins 266 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.080 that are most dangerous. 267 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.720 Yeah, it's an interesting story because it's pretty deceiving when 268 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:04.159 we show you the air quality sensors in your area, 269 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.759 and by and large, despite the fires, despite the eating 270 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:14.000 and Palisades fires, it's currently reading at healthy or at 271 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:17.519 worst case moderate, and that's a green and yellow. 272 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:19.960 It's not even in the unhealthy or hazardous. 273 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.960 And doctor Michael Daniel he will join us coming up 274 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.120 because he's going to explain why that is why the 275 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:29.559 air quality sensors are showing green. 276 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:33.360 I mean, in a way I have to say, no offense, 277 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.679 but I would get rid of the air quality map 278 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:39.679 until it can I mean, in this case, it's giving 279 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:41.879 you almost a disinformation about these. 280 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:42.799 I agree with you on that. 281 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.440 I one hundred percent agree with you, because if you're 282 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:49.159 even not even listening to you have the TV volume 283 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.039 turned off, and you see, oh it's good. 284 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:55.039 Yes, exactly, And all the all the maps, all the apps, everything, 285 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:56.320 they all use the same information. 286 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:59.960 And the air quality officials they actually held a webinar yesterday. 287 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.159 And I know doctor d I call him Doctor d 288 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.279 Danielle will get into this. 289 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:07.919 They com bear this to the aftermath of nine to eleven. 290 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:10.559 Yeah, that's precisely it. 291 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:16.840 There are suspended materials, metallic substances in the air that 292 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.360 get deep into the lungs and can produce all kinds 293 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:23.240 of you know, awful health effects. We're talking fires in 294 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:26.320 this first hour, and some aspects of the fires that 295 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.039 are not maybe getting the attention that they should. 296 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:33.159 Yeah, in particular, the air quality out there, and are 297 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:38.039 we being deceived by the air quality sensors that all 298 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:41.679 the meteorologists show and right now they're showing good basically 299 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:45.240 good or moderate air quality, which okay, that sounds like 300 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:47.840 I can go outside. Let's talk more about this with 301 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.399 doctor Michael daniel He's an er doctor and he happens 302 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.440 to be the Fox eleven medical contributor. I call him 303 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.200 Doctor d doctor d Good morning, thanks for being here. 304 00:14:58.519 --> 00:14:59.720 Good morning, Mark and Marla. 305 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:01.399 How are We're doing well? 306 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:04.960 But we want to we're investigating these air quality sensors. 307 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.720 What is the truth about our air quality right now? 308 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.200 And why do the sensors say that we have good 309 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:10.879 air quality? 310 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.759 Yeah, as you alluded to and as we discussed on 311 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.320 Fox eleven the other night, you know, when you look 312 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.320 across the board at the sensors, they're all green. But 313 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.600 what people need to know is that they don't measure 314 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:25.879 for a lot of things that we should be concerned about. 315 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.200 They check for ozone at the ground level, they check 316 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:34.039 for carbon monoxide, sodium dioxide, nitrogen dioxide, and then that 317 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:38.120 particular matter. So that's the smoke from wildfires and things 318 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.559 like that. But when we look at the sheer amount 319 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:44.240 of buildings that have been destroyed twelve thousand plus, you 320 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:47.639 have to think about as bestosed in lead, especially in 321 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:52.080 those older buildings that were put up pre code, things 322 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:57.279 like volatile organic compounds, so that's burning plastics, fuels, household items, 323 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.639 air conditioning, you know, even things like electric vehicles. All 324 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:02.279 that stuff is going to get in the air, and 325 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:07.480 that's not tested for in the AQI, And you know, 326 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:11.919 my concern is we're looking at a potential situation that 327 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:14.600 we had in New York, you know, Post nine to eleven, 328 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:17.440 where you know, first responders were exposed to a lot 329 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:21.480 of carcinogens in the air, you know, right when it 330 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:25.720 happened and in the immediate aftermath of the cleanup in particular. 331 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.080 So you know, I just want people to be aware 332 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:34.039 that AQI, although useful, can be limited and falsely reassuring. 333 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.360 Right, That's what I was saying before, So it's misleading. 334 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:39.600 I mean, in a way, I wish they would suspend 335 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.879 posting those maps at least for the moment, until such 336 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.879 time as they can tweak these technologies so that they 337 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.559 can measure some of the stuff you're talking about. 338 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:49.559 Can that be done? 339 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:51.480 This might be a little out of your area, but 340 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.879 I mean you're a medical doctor, so you know, you 341 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.679 see what these substances do to the body. But I'm 342 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:59.759 wondering if the technology can be tweaked so they can 343 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:01.360 actually measure some of this stuff. 344 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.079 Yeah, no, good question. I've been doing some research and 345 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:07.720 that in particular because that question has come up from 346 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:10.039 our viewers and you know, friends of mine, and of 347 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:14.279 course coworkers and patients too, and you know, the index 348 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.519 as it is right now, it's very difficult to measure 349 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.920 lead and asbestos with like a commercial test. And so, 350 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.039 for example, the way that IQ Air works, which is 351 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:30.039 the company that generates that map, is crowdsourcing these devices 352 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.440 that people have at home that you know, you hold 353 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.279 up into the air and they measure the five things, 354 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:37.559 the five common flutins we measure, but to measure lead 355 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.039 and asbestos, we don't yet have that type of commercial test. 356 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:43.920 It takes a very specific kind of filter and then 357 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.440 you have to you know, do the measurement in the lab. 358 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:50.079 And so, you know, it'd be great if somebody could 359 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:54.359 innovate and come up with this, because it's going to 360 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:57.960 be an issue for the next days, weeks, and months 361 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.880 for all of us in southern Caliberlifornia, whether you're close 362 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:04.759 to the fire, you know, upwards to you know, about 363 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.240 fifty miles away, I would say, so that's really going 364 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.559 to affect a broad swath of La County that's going 365 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:13.119 to need to be concerned about this for quite some time. 366 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:16.519 Well, it's got applicability beyond the southern California and California generally, 367 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:18.839 I mean, these fires and wildfires are affecting the west 368 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.480 in Canada. We've seen it in other countries as well. 369 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.839 So that technology, I mean, as you say, if it 370 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:25.960 can be innovated, it would have a lot of places 371 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:26.480 it could work. 372 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.200 But in the meantime, with your I just want your 373 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.119 professional opinion. Do you think that meteorologists should stop showing 374 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:33.920 that map? 375 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:35.480 Because what's the point? 376 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:36.880 Right? 377 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:37.160 Yeah? 378 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.559 No, good point. I mean, you know some of that 379 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:42.359 we talked about. The one of the five pollutants is 380 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:45.680 the particulate matter. And if you look at the size 381 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:50.680 of lead and asbestos, it can be picked up by 382 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:54.559 the particular matter two point five particular matter keen, which 383 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:57.799 are the micrometers, and so those particular substances are within 384 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:02.039 that range. But again it doesn't tell us is it 385 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.839 let is it as best those? Is it hydrocarbons? You know? 386 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.279 Is it carcinogens? And you may go outside and be like, 387 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.079 I don't smell any smoke. The air looks clean to me, 388 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.839 but you may be inhaling things that could cause you 389 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:20.000 trouble in the weeks to months ahead. 390 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.640 Yeah, and in terms of a timeline, and you sort 391 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.319 of just answered that, But do we have how long 392 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:29.599 will it take with all the cleanup for those toxins 393 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:33.720 to disintegrate, to to evaporate, evaporate. 394 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.119 Yeah, I was trying to come up with a way 395 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.920 to riskstratify for people, and I think, you know, the 396 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:46.559 two ways to look at this are time and distance 397 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:50.079 from the fire. And I think you know, the risk 398 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:52.160 over time obviously is going to go down as the 399 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.839 winds pick up and hopefully we get some rain. But 400 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:58.480 I think you know, we're looking at weeks two months, 401 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:03.079