WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:05.719 edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.240 give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599 and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every 5 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:14.439 single day on your favorite podcast platform. 6 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:17.320 Well, Kenny Scharf, Steve Reims, if you were listening in 7 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:20.199 the first hour we had borders. Are Tom Homan on 8 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:22.120 with us at the start of the show and not 9 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:26.760 to be you know, I guess overshadowed. We have probably 10 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.559 our bigger guest of the of the show by a 11 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:31.640 lot of accounts, at least by his own. We have 12 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:34.920 George Brockler with us, the district attorney for the twenty 13 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:37.560 third Judicial District. And George and I we go back 14 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:39.399 at each back and forth at each other quite a bit, 15 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:41.320 so I have to take a shot whenever I get one. 16 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:43.320 So George, welcome to the show, and thanks for being 17 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:44.719 on with us. 18 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.079 So good to be on. It feels a little uncomfortable 19 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.000 having you with control over the books, phones and the microphone, 20 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:51.079 but let's see where it goes. 21 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:52.880 We have a dump button, so you know, don't say 22 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.240 anything too stupid, so which would be tough. 23 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.079 For you Yeah, that will be good. 24 00:00:57.159 --> 00:00:59.679 Thank you, George. You know, we joker a lot with 25 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:01.920 each other, but there's a mutual respect that we have 26 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:03.840 for one another, especially when it comes to something like 27 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:07.280 what happened in Boulder yesterday. You know, you're that expert 28 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.560 when it comes to these big time prosecutions from a 29 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:13.719 little bit of your history with the Aurora theater shooting 30 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:17.079 and some other high profile cases. So I kind of 31 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:20.000 like to get your take on where does this case go? 32 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:22.040 What do you think how do you think this case 33 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:25.200 travels through the court system other than you know, he's 34 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.599 probably going to claim some kind of insanity defense. But 35 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:30.599 what does this look like? I mean, what's Michael Doherty 36 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:31.079 up against. 37 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:34.599 I think there's a couple of things going on here. 38 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:37.200 You know, Dougherty has got to manage not only the 39 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:41.079 ongoing investigation, and that's going to include exactly what you said, 40 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.719 which is, how can we get as much evidence as 41 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:46.159 possible about a guy who's only been in the US 42 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.519 for two years that will help us Rebut the claims 43 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:52.200 that he's incompetent, that that will be the first line 44 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.239 of attack of competence, Yeah, and then follow it on 45 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.319 by insanity. But the other piece of this is what 46 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.680 role will the FEDS play? And I've been prepping for 47 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:02.159 a trial myself today, so I don't know much more 48 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.760 than guy got a ten million dollar bond, totally appropriate, 49 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:11.479 and that the FEDS are have an affidavit. That affidavit 50 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:14.240 tells me that there's a potential there for the Feds 51 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:15.879 to end up moving on this case. As you know, 52 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:17.800 the FEDS are most likely to indict if they're going 53 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:20.159 to do this. But I think that's got to be 54 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:23.759 the debate that Michael's having with DOJ right now is 55 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:25.919 who's going to get the most bang for their buck. 56 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:28.439 In the past, and I mean even with a roar theater, 57 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.840 there was an effort by the Obama Justice Department to 58 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:33.719 want to come take that case, and they wanted to 59 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.719 use the incendiary devices that the killer had in his 60 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:40.000 apartment as a vehicle to make their terrorism claims. We 61 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:42.120 had a great special agent in charge. I don't know 62 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.000 if you ever worked with this guy, Steve, but his 63 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.879 name was Jim Yacone. This guy was legit and no 64 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.000 one would know this about Jim. Jim was one of 65 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.039 the helicopter pilots in Blackhawk Down. He just would never 66 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.680 talk about this. Dude was legit. He went to bat 67 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:58.919 for us with DOJ and said, this is a local crime. 68 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.199 Let's let the locals handle this thing. Now Here though, 69 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.240 you know, despite a Pettitt policy, which is a policy 70 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:08.319 where the FEDS typically defer to the locals. With a 71 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:12.120 President Donald Trump and Attorney General Pam Bondi and these 72 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:17.080 issues right terrorism, immigration, anti Semitism, I could see the 73 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.639 Fed saying you can have him when we're done. 74 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:21.000 But we're doing our thing. 75 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:23.639 So I mean, I think a simple question that a 76 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.360 lot of the caller listeners and callers are probably wanting 77 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:28.680 to ask, is where does he get the bigger penalty 78 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.039 through a federal prosecution or through a state prosecution. 79 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:36.919 That's a great question. So what the biggest charge that 80 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.280 Michael will have, Dougherty will have is a temp murder 81 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:43.240 until and I hope this never happened, until someone passes away. 82 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:45.919 A temp murder is an F two punishable by a 83 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.800 sixteen to forty eight year range. And because we just 84 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:52.919 passed that great advanced Colorado backed initiative, you know, that 85 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.840 mandated eighty five that just took place this year, So 86 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:57.599 you're going to have to serve eighty five percent of 87 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:00.680 whatever that sentence is. The Feds also have an eighty 88 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:05.520 five percent sentence, but they have more tools in their toolbox, 89 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.840 I think, to go after this guy than the locals now, 90 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.039 I think, in my opinion, and I don't know what 91 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.520 conversations Michael's having with Bishop Gruel, the acting US Attorney, 92 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:16.639 but I imagine they're going to sit down and say 93 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:18.639 this is what we're going to get, and Michael's going 94 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:20.120 to say, this is what I think we're going to get, 95 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:22.199 and then they just have to have a conversation about 96 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:24.959 where best it could be that regardless of that, the 97 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.839 Pam BONDI, you know, leadership says we don't care, we 98 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.240 want to do this, yeah, end up having. 99 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:34.920 I tend to believe you're probably on the right path there, 100 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.600 especially with the high profileness of this particular case and 101 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.560 just all the nexus with legal immigration and oh my gosh, Yeah, 102 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.000 I can't imagine that the that the FEDS hand this 103 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:48.360 over to the Boulder DA, which is he's a very 104 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:51.839 competent person, I think if legit. Yeah, I think despite 105 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:55.439 his political his political background, I think he is a 106 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.240 fantastic guy to prosecute this. As you probably would agree with. 107 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.879 In fact, people ought to remember that peaceful, almost all 108 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:07.120 entirely white, upper middle class Boulder just went through a 109 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:10.120 horrible trial involving the mass murder of ten people at 110 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:13.519 a King Soopers just last September. Right, So and Do 111 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:16.360 already led that prosecution, and he's led a lot of 112 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:18.240 others that don't get a lot of attention. He is 113 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.399 a legit prosecutor. He is not one of these Soros 114 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.720 backed You know, I've never been inside a courtroom. I'll 115 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.279 manage the office from the campaign trail kind of guys. 116 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:29.079 That's just not him. 117 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.240 No, I agree with you. I think he's he's cut 118 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.600 his teeth in the court room and continues to stay 119 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:37.279 razor sharp on those particular things. Oh yeah, so you 120 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.360 mentioned you know, whether there would be a competency issue 121 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:43.480 or an insanity defense. What do those two things look 122 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:46.319 like as this thing moves forward? What kind of stall 123 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.600 tactics are we talking about? And I know that's a 124 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.120 pressure point for the public Defender's office is to try 125 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.439 to get everything stalled as long as they can. You know, 126 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.360 what's the likelihood of us seeing this trial in the 127 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:00.920 next year, year, two three? 128 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:03.279 What do you think it depends. 129 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:04.920 If you go with the Feds, I think it's much 130 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:08.399 more likely. If you go with the locals, I think 131 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.600 it's less likely. And you only have to look to 132 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:13.480 the King supers mass murder effect because remember he played 133 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:17.439 the competency card repeatedly with great success and delayed that 134 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:19.959 case for a long long time. And if you're the 135 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:22.399 public defenders, either at the federal or the state level, 136 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.319 you're looking at this as, hey, we just have to 137 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.120 survive the Trump administration, right Like, if the Feds are 138 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:30.079 going to go full bore on this thing, all we 139 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.720 have to do is survive him. Maybe we can get 140 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:34.399 someone in there who will come up with a better 141 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:38.480 outcome for us. So competency is that way of saying, hey, 142 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:42.160 my client doesn't understand what's going on. He can't actively 143 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:45.199 participate in his own defense the way the sixth Amendment 144 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:47.680 to the Constitution guarantees, because he just can't do it. 145 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:48.720 He's got some mental problem. 146 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:49.920 In sanity's different. 147 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.079 In sanity says you could know absolutely everything and be 148 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.560 totally aware right now, but at the time you committed 149 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.800 your heinous act, you lack the ability to know right 150 00:06:57.839 --> 00:06:58.240 from wrong. 151 00:06:58.279 --> 00:06:59.920 Based on societal standards. 152 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:03.360 And morale, and or you could not form the intent 153 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.680 to murder after deliberating on it. Sure, both of those things, 154 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:08.439 in my opinion, will be at play here. They were 155 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.680 both in play at the King Supers case, if you remember, though, interestingly, 156 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.000 on the King Supers one, the defense could not find 157 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.040 an expert to come in and say he was insane. 158 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:20.759 It didn't keep him from pleasing insanity, but did not 159 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:23.560 put on a single expert to say he was insane. 160 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.560 Yeah, they could not find a friendly expert out there. 161 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:28.439 And you got to hope that's yeah, you got to 162 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.800 hope that's the same thing in this particular incident. I 163 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:32.600 don't know who wants to tie their name to someone 164 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:35.680 like this, Oh boy, switching gears just a little bit. 165 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:39.800 Chief Redfern over in Boulder. That name probably rings a 166 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:43.560 bell to you just from the Aurora Theater shooting. And 167 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:45.879 I know that he's catching a little bit of flack about, 168 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.319 you know, being the chief in Boulder and maybe not 169 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.480 saying this is a terrorist event right away. But I 170 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.600 have a lot of respect for Chief Redfern and I'd 171 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:57.040 like to get your take there of you know, is 172 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:00.519 Boulder in good hands with him? A percent? 173 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:04.279 And Listen. What I think people don't appreciate too is 174 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.639 you're an elected official. I'm an elected official, Darren Weekley's 175 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:10.959 an elected official. When things happen in our jurisdiction, we 176 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.439 answer only to the voters. We get to stand up 177 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:18.360 and say bold things. He's not. He's an employee of 178 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:21.240 the Boulder City Council and the city manager, so what 179 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.639 he says matters and impacts him in his department. Differently, 180 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.279 if you add to that that this guy needs to 181 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:29.240 be cognizant of the fact that the things that he 182 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.120 say may not only set the community against him early 183 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:34.559 on and that's your jury pool, but also may run 184 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.519 a foul of the ethics rules that prosecutors have to 185 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:40.519 be bound by. People see you start to wonder, Okay, 186 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:42.399 I get it. I get why he's being cautious. The 187 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:44.679 other thing people probably don't know is this dude is 188 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:45.399 a hero. 189 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.039 Of the Aurora Theater massacre. 190 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:50.080 He was the sergeant behind theaterre number nine when the 191 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:53.799 fire trucks and the ambulances couldn't get there to deal 192 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:56.720 with all of these people. We have seventy injured, twelve 193 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.000 deceased that couldn't get there. He made the snap decision 194 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.159 to order all of those cruisers to be turned into 195 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:08.000 makeshift ambulances, and they saved dozens of otherwise mortally wounded 196 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:11.240 people by sending them off to three different hospitals in 197 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.039 police cars. Had he not done that, our death total 198 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.480 would have in my estimation just based on the indies, 199 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.240 would have been double or more. That's the guy that 200 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:23.639 made this decision. He's been there, done it, he gets it. 201 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.759 He's not a guy that's like week on crime or 202 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.519 soft on that. He's not a progressive do this guy's 203 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:33.960 legit law enforcement. I just think he's hamstrung by his situation. 204 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.480 Yeah, And I wanted to point that out because, you know, 205 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:39.360 just because he's associated with the Boulder Police Department, I 206 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.279 think there's this fear that they're not going to do 207 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:44.240 the most competent investigation possible. There's you know, there's a 208 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.879 little bit of criticism for how the initial officers approached 209 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:51.600 the suspect, which Redfern couldn't have changed. But quite frankly, 210 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.679 I think, you know, his leadership in that agency couldn't 211 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.000 have come at a better time for this particular incident, 212 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.679 and especially with it being on a national stage. And 213 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:02.440 I think he deserves some credit for his past and 214 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:05.879 where he's at now, and I'm glad you. I'm glad 215 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.120 you had the positive comments about him. 216 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:08.480 You know. 217 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.000 I guess my final question to you will be, do 218 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.799 you what do you think the final outcome to this 219 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:18.840 looks like? I mean, what is when prosecution has done, 220 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:20.840 what does this guy get? There's no chance of a 221 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.759 death penalty conviction at this point from what I understand, 222 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:26.120 So what years does he get? Where does he go? 223 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:30.480 Well, listen, if there's eight a tempt murder victims, if 224 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:32.360 that's where we go with just the injured that they've 225 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.559 identified so far, you can do the eight times forty eight, 226 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.480 which is the mac sentence on the state of temp 227 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:40.879 murder charge, and that puts you at a. 228 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:42.879 Whole six eight. 229 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:44.960 Yeah, I mean, the guy's looking at four hundred ish 230 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.559 years in the Department of Corrections. Keep in mind, I'm 231 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:51.679 not that awesome. I'm not that happy and awesome on 232 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.320 the sentencing that we have, not because of what we've done, 233 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.360 but because of the Department of Corrections and how they 234 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.720 calculate time, how they process parole. It's just not favorable 235 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:05.879 to think the outcome we want, which is this dude 236 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.440 never takes a free breath ever. Again, Fads, I think 237 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:11.639 he ends up in super Max or the equivalent for 238 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.320 eternity as well. I think the only thing I worry about, 239 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:17.279 and I don't know if you talk to Tom about this, 240 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:21.200 but we've started to see Ice get super proactive and aggressive, 241 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.000 and on a lot of cases I appreciate it. But 242 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.720 they're grabbing up people who otherwise might have pending prosecutions 243 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:29.440 in the Metro area and then shipping him back to Mexico. 244 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.039 And I'm like, hang on, hand on, please tell me 245 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.240 we're not thinking of sending this dude back there now. 246 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.039 Be right. It'll be celebrated as a hero if he 247 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:40.000 goes back to his country. Yeah, that can't happen, and 248 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:43.120 I have to believe this administration understands that. But to 249 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.360 your point, they have dismischarges on some pretty bad folks, 250 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.279 so they could send him out of the country. The 251 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:50.320 only way I'm supportive of is that is that if 252 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.159 he ends up in the prison in El Salvador, and 253 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.440 I don't think that's likely with this particular one. 254 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.399 Well, if we have to remove that other guy, there'll 255 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:58.159 be space. 256 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:00.720 Well to work out. 257 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:02.960 Yeah, Well, George. You know, it's always a pleasure to 258 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.120 talk with you. You know, like I said, we like 259 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:08.200 throwing shots back and forth at one another, but on 260 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:12.200 an incident like what's happened in Boulder, I think your 261 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:14.080 expertise in this was welcome. 262 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:15.480 Listen. 263 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.120 You know, you do a great job with all the 264 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.960 law enforcement share stuff. But you're impressing me on the radio. 265 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:22.720 And I'm just going to tell people in no way, 266 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.320 by the ways, that's a threat to Ryan or Dan 267 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:28.519 or anyone else. But the idea of the sheriff and 268 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.080 the DA show, I'm just saying it's out there. It's 269 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:34.159 a possibility. It could be magic. I'm just saying it. 270 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:37.399 Could definitely be magic. It could also be a dumpster fire. 271 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:39.879 Without its own kind of magic. 272 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.039 Yeah, absolutely, George, again, thanks for coming on the show, 273 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.759 Thanks for educating us all, and we just appreciate the 274 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:47.360 work that you're doing down there in the great twenty 275 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:50.200 third Judicial District. Keep it up and stay in touch. 276 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:52.360 Same thanks er, right, thank you. 277 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.559 We'll go to break, but that'll open up some phone 278 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.519 lines and some text lines again. Text at five seven, seven, 279 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.799 three nine are calling it three or three seven three 280 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.759 eight two five five we'll get your reactions to George Brockler, 281 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.639 and we'll keep covering this case. Because I don't think 282 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:08.679 we can talk about it enough. We'll cut to break. 283 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:10.559 You listen to the Dan Caplas Show here with Well 284 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:12.840 Kenny Sheriff Steve Reims setting in as the guest host. 285 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:21.759 And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast. 286 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:26.120 Dan's off at court doing some important court battle stuff 287 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.960 that is way over my head. But today I get 288 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.360 to just be the guest host and talk about a 289 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.240 very unfortunate event that happened over the weekend. And I 290 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:37.159 shouldn't even call it an unfortunate event. It's a terrorist attack. 291 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:42.000 Calling it an unfortunate event isn't doing the victims of 292 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:45.399 this any justice, because, Uh, it was a heinous act 293 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:49.440 committed by a heinous perpetrator that hopefully we'll spend a 294 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:56.120 long time in a very small, confined space for whatever reason. Uh, 295 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:00.360 this individual will not ever be subject to the death 296 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.519 penalty from the way it looks at this point. And 297 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.600 that goes back to a text we got earlier. It says, 298 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.039 you know, our criminal justice system is basically failing, and 299 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.440 you have to compare us to some other countries. Where 300 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:15.279 we've made penalties for acts like this, I don't think 301 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.519 they're commensurate to the crime at hand. If you've set 302 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.279 eight people on fire, I think the death penalty should 303 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:24.200 totally be on the table for you because your intention 304 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.480 was to do just that to some other people. But 305 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:28.840 I guess that's for another day, in another time. I 306 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.879 can't change the world through the talk radio channels, but 307 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:35.480 i'd love to hear what you think of that particular issue. 308 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.159 You can always text in at five seven seven three nine, 309 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.799 start your text off with Dan or call in, which 310 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:42.879 I love going back and forth with the callers because 311 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.720 I love getting your perspective on something, especially as as 312 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.360 extreme as what we've just experienced here in the state 313 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.440 of Colorado. The number here is three O three seven 314 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.000 to one three eight two five five, and I welcome 315 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.039 you guys to call in about this or about anything 316 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.120 else that's on the agenda related. I mean, we've been 317 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:02.519 talking about illegal immigration and the effects of some of 318 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:06.360 our policies here in this state and how it's negatively 319 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.519 impacted the direction that Colorado's going in. When we had 320 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:11.720 Tom Holman on at the top of the show, I 321 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:15.600 mentioned the lawsuit that the Attorney General. The US Attorney 322 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:19.519 General had filed against the state of Colorado and the 323 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:22.360 litany of things that it outlines as to what is 324 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.320 wrong in this state. And you know, there's so many 325 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:28.720 bills that are listed, or so many Colorado bills or 326 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:31.600 what are now laws that are listed in this thing 327 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:36.440 that it's almost humorous because we have a governor who says, no, 328 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:40.279 we're not a sanctuary state. But just in this one lawsuit, 329 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:44.159 House built nineteen eleven twenty four is referenced, Senate Bill 330 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:48.320 twenty one one point thirty one is referenced, and many 331 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.679 others as well. They could add two seventy six for it, 332 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:57.600 house built twenty three eleven hundred, and municipal codes in Denver. 333 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:00.480 I mean, the list is pretty long, and they didn't 334 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:01.919 even get them all. They just went with the ones 335 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:06.039 that were most egregious. So when you're governor, and I 336 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.000 say you're governor, because sometimes I don't want to claim 337 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.320 him as my own. I certainly didn't vote for the 338 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:13.919 guy when he's out there making claims that no, Colorado's fine. 339 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:16.480 You know, we we love to work with the feds. Well, 340 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:18.759 it's going to be interesting to see how much you 341 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:20.360 know how much we love to work with the FEDS 342 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:22.480 on this particular incident, because we're going to need them, 343 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:24.240 and I think whether we want to work with the 344 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:26.120 Feds or not, they're going to be very involved in 345 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:30.279 what's what's happening in Boulder, and probably rightfully so the 346 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:32.399 next is for the FEDS to get involved in something 347 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:36.639 like what we just saw happen is is definitely there again. 348 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:40.440 Call in text in You can text Dan text start 349 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:42.559 your text with Dan at five seven seven three nine 350 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:44.600 or call in at three O three seven one three 351 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:46.840 eight two five five. I'd like to know do you 352 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:50.200 think the penalties that this individual can get are severe enough? 353 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.200 I mean, is life in prison enough for this guy? 354 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.600 Is life in supermax enough for this guy? And on 355 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.799 the flip side, as when we had George Brockler on 356 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.159 talking about how Ice has been pretty aggressive on some 357 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.720 of these folks, would you like to see this person 358 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.920 just deported and completely skip the entire court process. Is 359 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.000 deportation enough of a penalty for what he's done? I 360 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:14.359 tend to think not. I think this person needs to 361 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.400 spend some time in a in a very small, confined space. 362 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.119 If we can't put him to death. But there are 363 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:21.559 plenty of people who says, get him out of our 364 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.599 country unless avoid the costs. I'd like to know what 365 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.319 you think. Again, you can text in at five seven seven, 366 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:28.200 three nine or call in at three h three seven 367 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.559 one three eight two five five. I will tell you 368 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.240 ICE is definitely sending plenty of people out of the country. 369 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.599 And I think for some of those lower level crimes, 370 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:38.480 where it's you know, a simple assault, you know, a 371 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:42.680 small level theft DUI, Yeah, sending them back to their 372 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:46.319 home country is probably more of a penalty than letting 373 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:49.359 them set in a cell. But when a guy sets 374 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.400 eight people on fire, I have to believe that sending 375 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.640 him out of the country is not the correct answer. 376 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:57.319 I think we need to get our pound of flesh 377 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.119 from that individual before he ever has a chance to 378 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.680 go back home and be celebrated as a hero potentially. 379 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.920 So hopefully you guys will call in and we'll have 380 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.480 those discussions in the last half of the show here. 381 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:09.720 But again that numbers three oh three seven one three 382 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:11.720 eight two five five. Let's let's chop it up a 383 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.160 little bit and talk about what's happening over in Boulder. 384 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:16.839 If you're listening to Steve Reims filling in for Dan 385 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:19.720 Kaplis on the Dankplas Show here on six point thirty k. 386 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.920 You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast. 387 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.480 Trial or doing some kind of important court work. But 388 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:40.200 you know, we've got a huge topic that we've been 389 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.519 covering today, and that's this incident that happened in Boulder yesterday, 390 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:47.440 this terrorist attack, if you will. And when we went 391 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:49.640 to break, we were talking about, you know, what's the 392 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.319 right punishment for this crime? Should this person spend the 393 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:54.839 rest of their life in prison in the United States? 394 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.119 I think a lot of you agree that the death 395 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:01.319 penalty should should be in play, Unfortunately it is from 396 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.319 what I understand. Or should this person just be deported, 397 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.960 Should they be sent back home and save the taxpayers 398 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.799 a lot of money, but potentially let them be Let 399 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.079 this person be celebrated in their home country of Egypt. 400 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:19.640 We're talking about Mohammed sabriy Sulliman, the Egyptian terrorists that 401 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.519