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Speaker 3: They're supposed to be mature adults, but they're really not.
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Speaker 4: I am happy to get the show started today and
Speaker 4: let you guys know that I did survive after four
Speaker 4: straight days of NonStop basketball. Yesterday was a challenge, but
Speaker 4: I got through it. And not only am I excited
Speaker 4: to get this thing started today to take you up
Speaker 4: until six o'clock, I mean I'm excited for a little
Speaker 4: fever that's returned. I'm talking about the ni T fever.
Speaker 4: I've got it. Anybody else have it?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it contagious? Will it spread? A kid?
Speaker 4: We're not gonna talk a lot about the I, but
Speaker 4: we do have some games tonight that I'm gonna bet on,
Speaker 4: and just knowing that there's college basketball that I can
Speaker 4: watch is something I'm really really cherish at this moment,
Speaker 4: because again, it'll be over before too long, and that
Speaker 4: makes makes me very sad. But I'm happy to to
Speaker 4: just mention get the things started today. The thing that
Speaker 4: I'm referring to is the show. This is a show
Speaker 4: and it's called Coffee and Company, and we are fueled
Speaker 4: by Thornton's my name's Nick Coffee, hence the name Coffee
Speaker 4: and Company. I've got company today as always, the one
Speaker 4: and only traveled Chief Austin Montgomery alongside running the operation.
Speaker 4: And we're gonna have some fun. We're gonna mix it up.
Speaker 4: I did not get into Love is Blind last night,
Speaker 4: like that we talked about. I'm sure eventually it'll it'll
Speaker 4: because this is where we really stove. Yeah, so we
Speaker 4: started some shows I mean here and there over the
Speaker 4: last few my wife and I have and when basketball's rolling,
Speaker 4: like we'll get a couple of episodes in and then
Speaker 4: like abandon it for maybe a month. So last night
Speaker 4: we ended up finishing the final three episodes of Severance.
Speaker 2: That was that was really good. Seems very popular. I
Speaker 2: haven't seen that yet. I don't want to.
Speaker 4: Uh well, I'll just share my thoughts really really enjoy
Speaker 4: the show overall, top to bottom. I think season two
Speaker 4: was good and and some of the episodes were really great.
Speaker 4: It just got a little too almost.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I.
Speaker 4: Feel like these shows that are really cinematic and.
Speaker 2: Deep, right, like you gotta you gotta really.
Speaker 4: Be playing a Yeah, so like I'm sure more than anything,
Speaker 4: it's just me not having the capacity upstairs to.
Speaker 2: To really follow and know what's going on.
Speaker 4: Yea, as good as some others, but like there's there's
Speaker 4: like a line where if you get just if you
Speaker 4: get to a to a certain spot, like and I'm
Speaker 4: really into it and I'm realizing what's going on that
Speaker 4: hooks me and I really love shows like that. Many
Speaker 4: shows that that I consider my all the time favorites
Speaker 4: were like that. But then there's somewhere they kind of
Speaker 4: crossed the line and I'm like, all right, kind of
Speaker 4: think I know what's going on, but I'm not really sure.
Speaker 4: So it did get a little bit like that was
Speaker 4: season two, But overall, really enjoy severance. And then after
Speaker 4: we finished it, wife, kids go to bed, and uh,
Speaker 4: it just automatically started playing on Apple TV a new
Speaker 4: show that I'd never heard of. But I'm already hooked
Speaker 4: him three episodes in. It's called Dope Thief. It's got
Speaker 4: Brian Tyree Henry, who has become kind of like a
Speaker 4: I feel like he's kind of become a star in
Speaker 4: in the last five years or so.
Speaker 2: Tye.
Speaker 4: So you will know him from Atlanta, the show that
Speaker 4: I've never watched it, but you know what sure I'm
Speaker 4: talking about though, Yes, he was Paperboy in Atlanta, which,
Speaker 4: of course that show Donald Glover's show. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean we probably won't do a whole lot of it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this guy's been a lot of Yea, he's
Speaker 4: just trained. I've got some buzz right now. Yeah, he's
Speaker 4: definitely definitely making some moves. But this is you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes we occasionally talk some TV talk about what we're streaming,
Speaker 4: and we'll do that during the off season. But anyways,
Speaker 4: with no basketball last night, that is what I did.
Speaker 4: So now that we are just a couple of days
Speaker 4: away from getting back to it right the Sweet sixteen,
Speaker 4: I'm continuing to reflect on not Louisville necessarily, but just
Speaker 4: kind of where we are with college basketball, because you know,
Speaker 4: I go back and forth as far as balancing. Okay,
Speaker 4: am I looking at it from just my lens as
Speaker 4: a college basketball fanatic, or am I you know, Am
Speaker 4: I able to kind of step away from that and
Speaker 4: realize that I am in the minority, right, I view
Speaker 4: college basketball in a different way just because it's my
Speaker 4: go to. But I think you've got some numbers now
Speaker 4: that will confirm that, regardless of what it's done to
Speaker 4: your team, your program. The new world of college athletics
Speaker 4: with nil on the transfer portal, which basically the players
Speaker 4: have all.
Speaker 2: The power now right.
Speaker 4: They can go wherever they want, and money will be
Speaker 4: a big factor in why they go where they go
Speaker 4: in most instances, and being able to make money, of course,
Speaker 4: keeps them wanting to play college basketball as long as
Speaker 4: simply possible, which is why you see guys playing for
Speaker 4: a fifth or sixth year. You got some guys entering
Speaker 4: the portal that have no eligibility. They're just going to
Speaker 4: enter a waiver and see if they if they can
Speaker 4: get away with it, I guess, because why go start
Speaker 4: a career doing something other than basketball if you could
Speaker 4: play in college another year and put away some money.
Speaker 4: So I think college basketball specifically, all this talk about, well,
Speaker 4: there's no Cinderella and it's just so hard for the
Speaker 4: lower levels. Well, that's true, but the product of college
Speaker 4: basketball overall has benefited from this. And it's not just
Speaker 4: because you know, I'm sitting here telling you that it's better.
Speaker 4: Because the better players, even though they're not NBA players,
Speaker 4: they're good players. They stick around, The products better, the
Speaker 4: games are better. I mean, all that's true, But the numbers,
Speaker 4: I mean throughout the first two weekends, the first two
Speaker 4: rounds of the tournament, the viewership through the second round, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is this is from Turner, So, STNT Sports and
Speaker 4: CBS Sports delivered NCAA tournament's best viewership since nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 4: So viewership did the second round on TBS, CBS, TNT
Speaker 4: and True TV was averaging nine point four million viewers,
Speaker 4: the most watched tournament in thirty two years. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think that's the proof there.
Speaker 2: Oh that's how old I am. So this is the
Speaker 2: most watched tournament since you've been alive. That's crazy, and
Speaker 2: it's crazy to think. It's nice to know that Louisville
Speaker 2: was back in the dance. For you being back alive
Speaker 2: is obviously because of Lowell.
Speaker 4: Clearly, Yeah, that's what it is. So you know, I
Speaker 4: I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: It's a good sign.
Speaker 4: It makes me feel a little bit better about you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about like the future of college basketball,
Speaker 4: but I do think points that were made by the
Speaker 4: casuals as far as well, it's gonna lose its intrigue
Speaker 4: if in fact, you don't get any more Cinderella's out there,
Speaker 4: well maybe, but people are still watching. I mean, they
Speaker 4: tuned in to see something that didn't end up happening.
Speaker 4: So like maybe if we get a few years into
Speaker 4: this where there's no big there's no real Cinderella in
Speaker 4: the second weekend, then maybe you see a drop off.
Speaker 4: But I think if the product, if the product is
Speaker 4: continuing to be the level that it's at right now,
Speaker 4: it can maintain. I mean, I think that's I mean,
Speaker 4: I think college basketball is going to.
Speaker 2: Be in good shape.
Speaker 4: So again, I'm we're always gonna love it. But as
Speaker 4: far as how the rest of the world perceives it,
Speaker 4: we can't really control that, right, We're just I mean,
Speaker 4: we can do about it. However, it is good for
Speaker 4: the overall health of college basketball. If you get more
Speaker 4: and more people that aren't gonna maybe be obsessed with
Speaker 4: it like we are, but just it's it's part of
Speaker 4: the rotation. It's something they follow, they have interest in.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's better for everybody. And I know that
Speaker 4: the Portal and NIL has really put lower level programs.
Speaker 4: And I'm not just talking about like the Bellerman's I'm
Speaker 4: talking about, like, let me give you an example, because
Speaker 4: I think this is really an example of where we are.
Speaker 4: You've got a team that played in the National Championship
Speaker 4: Game two years ago, San Diego State. They lost in
Speaker 4: the National Championship Game to Yukon. I mean, that's not
Speaker 4: a Cinderella, But I gotta be honest with you, that
Speaker 4: year San Diego State and FAU being in the final four,
Speaker 4: I kind of forget that happened, you know, the Kenny
Speaker 4: Payne air. For me as a Louisville fan, it's kind
Speaker 4: of a blur. But I mean, you know, I remember
Speaker 4: that those two teams both made that kind of a run,
Speaker 4: but it's not something that really stands out, and it
Speaker 4: actually seems like it was a long time ago. But
Speaker 4: San Diego State's a team that I mean, they're not
Speaker 4: I mean, they're Mountain West, right. I mean, if the
Speaker 4: Pac twelve survived and they added a team San Diego State,
Speaker 4: maybe the first team they would add. I mean they're
Speaker 4: not like a nobody, but they also just don't have
Speaker 4: like I mean, it's really a culture thing in the
Speaker 4: West Coast, especially in a city like San Diego. Like
Speaker 4: think about how think about where San Diego State thet
Speaker 4: think about where the San Diego State Aztec's rank as
Speaker 4: far as like importance, priority interest, because we're talking about
Speaker 4: San Diego, California maybe the most beautiful place in the
Speaker 4: world according to some, So there's not as much passion.
Speaker 4: Therefore there's not there's not as much history with you know,
Speaker 4: rich people that are willing to put up a lot
Speaker 4: of money to make sure you have a good roster.
Speaker 4: So San Diego State like this, this has to suck.
Speaker 4: As a San Diego State fan. The starters for that team,
Speaker 4: Lamont Butler, he's now Kentucky. Kashaw Johnson transferred last year
Speaker 4: played at Arizona. I mean, Nick Boyd, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 4: he transferred.
Speaker 2: If that's who I think it is, let me see.
Speaker 4: If that's who I think it is, I think he
Speaker 4: transferred fau which is kind of odd, but nonetheless, like
Speaker 4: you've got. Let me give you another example of this
Speaker 4: is probably the best example to use of FAU. Like
Speaker 4: FAU made a Final four, right, and that was insane,
Speaker 4: And they actually brought those guys back the next year,
Speaker 4: and money was a factor. But like they're in Boca Raton,
Speaker 4: they had a bunch of people throwing money saying, hey.
Speaker 2: It's cool, we got a good basketball.
Speaker 4: Team now, I mean, to be fair, they did throw
Speaker 4: some money at Dusty May for that year following his
Speaker 4: Final four run, and they threw some money at these
Speaker 4: players to keep that team together that made a Final four.
Speaker 4: And then of course, you know after that one year
Speaker 4: after their you know, their what do you call it
Speaker 4: when when a band comes back out after the show
Speaker 4: ends to do one more song? What is that called? Austin,
Speaker 4: you're supposed to know this? What was that when a
Speaker 4: band comes back out after doing a song after finishing
Speaker 4: the show to do one more OnCore? Yeah, so they
Speaker 4: brought it back for an encore. Dusty May back for
Speaker 4: another year. This whole team's back, and then of course,
Speaker 4: you know, Dusty magos to Michigan and the main players
Speaker 4: from that team go.
Speaker 2: To the portal.
Speaker 4: So just think about this if you're FAU you had
Speaker 4: the Final four team in twenty twenty three. Here we
Speaker 4: are in twenty twenty and your three best players from
Speaker 4: that team are now playing elsewhere and they're in the
Speaker 4: Sweet sixteen. I mean, Vlad Golden is at Michigan with
Speaker 4: Dusty May.
Speaker 2: You've got John L.
Speaker 4: Davis with Caliperiot Arkansas, and then who was it?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 4: Who was the guy he was at Asian Martin who's
Speaker 4: now at Florida. Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry Elijah Martin.
Speaker 4: I mean he's now one of Florida's best players.
Speaker 2: So just to like have it, I.
Speaker 4: Mean it put yourself in the shoes of an FAU fan.
Speaker 4: If you know an FAU fan, right, I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know anybody that's like, yeah, I'm a big fan
Speaker 4: of the Owls, Like I just don't you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know anybody that's an FAU fan. But just imagine
Speaker 4: you were an FAU fan and that's how it played
Speaker 4: out for you, right where you have this miraculous run
Speaker 4: and then now you've got to watch those guys playing
Speaker 4: in the you know, in the second weekend, maybe in
Speaker 4: the Final four for a different program. Like I don't
Speaker 4: think that kind of stuff will ever happen to us
Speaker 4: around here, because you're gonna lose players. You're gonna lose
Speaker 4: players that you want to keep. But the notion of
Speaker 4: like you making final fours and then those guys moving
Speaker 4: on because they want to go higher, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's always gonna be programs that maybe in any given
Speaker 4: year you could say is a higher, is a step up,
Speaker 4: because maybe they're better. But if here's the thing, if anybody,
Speaker 4: if Louisville, Kentucky, Indiana, if they're going to final fours
Speaker 4: around here, there's gonna be money.
Speaker 2: Out there to keep these guys where they are.
Speaker 4: In fact, even if you're not going to final fours,
Speaker 4: I still think the programs around here will will have
Speaker 4: a better ability to round up funds to keep good
Speaker 4: players that everybody knows you want to keep around. So
Speaker 4: I know we've said it many times, and hell, we
Speaker 4: talked about it a lot yesterday. But now that we
Speaker 4: get to the second weekend, I mean, the way in
Speaker 4: which this whole sport works is way different. And I
Speaker 4: don't need to remind you guys Louisville benefited from this.
Speaker 4: We in no way can claim that, you know, we're
Speaker 4: not we don't like the new world here. I mean
Speaker 4: you can and.
Speaker 2: If the overall you know, if your overall.
Speaker 4: Thought is that you preferred it better when players couldn't transfer,
Speaker 4: and that for whatever reason, I don't know that you
Speaker 4: like to watch them play knowing they're not getting paid.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can have that opinion, and it's your opinion.
Speaker 4: Nobody's right or wrong. But Louisville without question was able
Speaker 4: to benefit from this because you have when you were
Speaker 4: able to get rid of Kenny Payne after two years
Speaker 4: and start all over, and in the first year you
Speaker 4: had a brand new team, all new pieces from top
Speaker 4: to bottom, staff, personnel, players, and we got to see
Speaker 4: that you can quickly turn it around with a good
Speaker 4: coach that's you know, knows what he's doing and it's
Speaker 4: going to work at it, which, by the way, real quick,
Speaker 4: I don't want to get too sidetracked here, but I
Speaker 4: did just see one of will Wade's comments at his
Speaker 4: introductory press conference yesterday. Quote, this is going to be
Speaker 4: this is not going to be a rebuild. Next year,
Speaker 4: We're going to be in the top half of the ACC.
Speaker 4: We're going to be in the NAA Tournament. We're going
Speaker 4: to win. I mean, just think about I mean think
Speaker 4: about I mean, that's that really doesn't even stand out
Speaker 4: to me is some type of wild thing to say,
Speaker 4: But just to know that we had a bum here
Speaker 4: for a couple of years that absolutely like made every
Speaker 4: excuse whenever he didn't even have like the he didn't
Speaker 4: even have the the real I mean, he didn't have
Speaker 4: any self awareness or I guess maybe the brain to
Speaker 4: realize that you're saying things that like even nobody believes that,
Speaker 4: like it's nonsense.
Speaker 2: So anyways, not to get too side tracked on.
Speaker 4: That, but what's got me kind of you know, I
Speaker 4: guess feeling a little guilty is you know, I watch
Speaker 4: a lot of lower level basketball, not like it consumes
Speaker 4: my life, but I'll probably watch a lot more than
Speaker 4: the average college basketball fan.
Speaker 2: One because I love it.
Speaker 4: Also because I like to bet on it, you know,
Speaker 4: and I do like to get there's something kind of
Speaker 4: like I don't know when it comes to let me
Speaker 4: give you an example. I'm sure a lot of you
Speaker 4: have like music. Maybe it's bands, artists, groups, I don't know, rappers,
Speaker 4: whatever that you know you're in early right, you are
Speaker 4: there before they blow up. You kind of hope maybe
Speaker 4: they don't blow up because you want to kind of
Speaker 4: keep it your thing. You want to be a gatekeeper
Speaker 4: a little bit. That's kind of how I am with
Speaker 4: like mid major college basketball. Like it's not something you know,
Speaker 4: I can throw out to brag about. It certainly doesn't
Speaker 4: make me cool in any way, but like I follow
Speaker 4: the Missouri Valley Conference, I follow the MAC probably more
Speaker 4: than the average, and it's just something I enjoy but begaining. Again,
Speaker 4: I don't say that to brag. It's not anything worth
Speaker 4: bragging about, but like those programs in this new world,
Speaker 4: like it's a different thing for them now. Meaning if
Speaker 4: you're a coach that's going to get a job at
Speaker 4: one of those places, you probably need to sell recruits,
Speaker 4: especially talented freshmen, because I feel like it's gonna be
Speaker 4: hard for true freshmen to get on the floor. I
Speaker 4: mean you occasionally you're gonna have somebody that you realize
Speaker 4: was like way better than you thought and they're going
Speaker 4: to have a great season. And then you're gonna have
Speaker 4: guys like Cooper Flag the kid at Texas. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's some really good freshmen out there that were top
Speaker 4: ten players VJ. Edgecomb was phenomenal at Baylor this year,
Speaker 4: So you're gonna have those guys. But like if you're
Speaker 4: if you're like outside the top twenty, you're probably still
Speaker 4: gonna have a lot of offers and be able to
Speaker 4: go wherever you want if you're low five star and
Speaker 4: then a four star. But like you may be better
Speaker 4: off to go play at a mid major and put
Speaker 4: up big numbers and then hit the portal, and like
Speaker 4: that's when you walking into a big role. Like I
Speaker 4: just think the path to get to the high level
Speaker 4: playing deep in the tournament for a good team, a
Speaker 4: good brand. I just think, you know, it wasn't the
Speaker 4: ideal when these guys the guys. And this is another
Speaker 4: thing that I just think is wild. This there's a
Speaker 4: map that somebody put out there on Twitter. The Yeah,
Speaker 4: the Twitter account is NCAA Buzzer Beaters, So I'll just
Speaker 4: retweet it. If you're following me at the card Connect,
Speaker 4: you'll see it. But I mean it is wild because
Speaker 4: it gives you the star. It gives you the starting
Speaker 4: lineup of every team that's in the Sweet sixteen, and
Speaker 4: it doesn't give you which team it is. But there's
Speaker 4: five spots. So it gives you the we're each starter
Speaker 4: for each Sweet sixteen team started playing their college basketball career,
Speaker 4: and they don't even tell you which team it is.
Speaker 4: I can decipher which which team, which which certain teams
Speaker 4: are because it's it's relatively easy. But like Purdue is
Speaker 4: the only school that has five starters in the Sweet
Speaker 4: sixteen that all started their career there. And again that's
Speaker 4: because they're rare, right, Like they're they're different. Matt Painter's
Speaker 4: just got a way of going about it and it works.
Speaker 4: Tom Izzo's got four of five starters, same thing, old school.
Speaker 4: He's had to make some adjustments, but he's he's kind
Speaker 4: of you know, he's somebody that really hasn't done a
Speaker 4: whole lot different now than he.
Speaker 2: Did before all this stuff started.
Speaker 4: Do Duke's rare as well, because they've got i mean,
Speaker 4: they're Duke, they don't lose many players often to transfer,
Speaker 4: so they've got four out of five. Other than that,
Speaker 4: you got a mixed bag. I mean, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 4: this is I mean, look at look at look at
Speaker 4: our Arkansas. Here's their starters Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, fau in Kentucky.
Speaker 4: That that's where the starting five to four Arkansas started
Speaker 4: their career. And then you look and then you can
Speaker 4: look at I'm pretty sure this is is this Kentucky's. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Kentucky has Drexel, Delaware, Dayton, Oklahoma, and San Diego State.
Speaker 4: So what I'm getting at is that wasn't the plan
Speaker 4: when those guys started college, because when those guys started college,
Speaker 4: it was a different world. Right, we didn't have this
Speaker 4: what it is now. In fact, I mean I'm trying
Speaker 4: to for some reason, I always lose. I I don't
Speaker 4: know exactly when it was that everything just changed because
Speaker 4: it was kind of a slow build. Right first, first
Speaker 4: you had I mean I remember when NIL happened. But
Speaker 4: as far as like the transfer portal, it became a
Speaker 4: thing where you could get like a waiver if you
Speaker 4: graduated and had a year left, and then you could
Speaker 4: do like the one time transfer, or you could transfer
Speaker 4: because your coach left. And then slowly, over time it
Speaker 4: just became an absolute free for all, which is where
Speaker 4: it is right now. So I just think if you
Speaker 4: are a young high school if you're a kid coming
Speaker 4: out of high school, you know you may have a
Speaker 4: decent entry level NIL deal at a power five school
Speaker 4: that is too tough to pass up, and you may
Speaker 4: just believe that you're good enough to wear Hey, regardless
Speaker 4: of who they're bringing in the portal, I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: good enough to where I'm gonna get real minutes and
Speaker 4: it's going to be you know, and and it'll all
Speaker 4: work out.
Speaker 2: But look around the country right now. All these guys
Speaker 2: that have been.
Speaker 4: To the portal since it opened up yesterday, a lot
Speaker 4: of them are guys that were highly regarded freshmen to
Speaker 4: an extent that just couldn't get on the floor a
Speaker 4: whole lot early on. And it doesn't mean they're bad,
Speaker 4: it's just because that's hard to do now because so
Speaker 4: many older players stick around and play college basketball. So
Speaker 4: I'm just that's the one thing we've yet to see.
Speaker 4: But it won't shock me if over time we get there.
Speaker 4: And what I mean is that the everybody but the
Speaker 4: top tier of high school recruits, not everybody, but the
Speaker 4: majority of them start to just understand the path for
Speaker 4: me to get to a to get to a program
Speaker 4: where I'm a factor and I'm playing, you know, in
Speaker 4: the sweet sixteen. For teams like Duke, Texas Tech, Arkansas, Michigan, State, Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, Purdue, Houston.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to see yourself as a
Speaker 4: impact player at a place like that, Again, there's different
Speaker 4: paths to do it, but I kind of feel like
Speaker 4: if you look at the guys that are there now,
Speaker 4: like you may be better off start and low level
Speaker 4: and then and honestly, this is what's gonna this is
Speaker 4: what's got to drive's what got to drive coaches crazy.
Speaker 4: Is that like you could be the school that finds,
Speaker 4: you know, that gets the kid from the low level
Speaker 4: D one that jumps up as a sophomore after average
Speaker 4: and twenty a game as a freshman, but then like
Speaker 4: if he doesn't work out or you know, maybe money's
Speaker 4: not where at where you needed to be, they go elsewhere.
Speaker 4: I mean, are there's we've now hit a point where
Speaker 4: guys entering the portal today and yesterday, and I'm sure
Speaker 4: there'll be hundreds of more that do it. You can
Speaker 4: absolutely play four for four, Like there's guys that are
Speaker 4: going to be playing four years at four different schools
Speaker 4: and that's I think that'll still be the exception, but
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe not. So Again, what I feel
Speaker 4: bad about is you know, those lower level schools like
Speaker 4: this is going to be nearly impossible for them to really,
Speaker 4: you know, thrive with any sustainability, because the second you
Speaker 4: become really good at a at a mid major type program,
Speaker 4: I mean that all that is is just inviting. I
Speaker 4: mean it's bringing attention to where there's going to be
Speaker 4: tampering and those players are going to be influenced to
Speaker 4: potentially leave. And I just think your best bet, easier
Speaker 4: said than done, is just embrace it and start and
Speaker 4: start realizing, Okay, we may be the schools that have
Speaker 4: more turnover than anybody, but that could be a good thing.
Speaker 4: It's because if everybody wants our guys. You know, if
Speaker 4: every year we're losing our top three players to the
Speaker 4: Power Power five, it's probably because we're doing something good
Speaker 4: and you're just gonna have to.
Speaker 2: Reload and reload.
Speaker 4: And I think if you show the ability as a
Speaker 4: coach to do that consistently, then I think that would
Speaker 4: make you more attractive to other jobs out there. Right Hey,
Speaker 4: this person, man, they're already having to deal with this
Speaker 4: reset every year and managing different personalities, different egos every
Speaker 4: single season.
Speaker 2: Well, if you know.
Speaker 4: That's always going to be the case in college basketball overall.
Speaker 4: But if you're at a top job or a better job,
Speaker 4: you'll have better resources to potentially keep players that are successful, right,
Speaker 4: You'll have money to give them through anil that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff. So anyways, I don't want to I didn't
Speaker 4: want to nerd out too much on just where we
Speaker 4: are here in college hoops. But it is fascinating to see,
Speaker 4: and that's all of all the different facts and stats
Speaker 4: that have been shared, to see where every starter in
Speaker 4: the sweet sixteen started their career compared to where they
Speaker 4: are today. I mean that to me is the best
Speaker 4: visual as far as don't think that you can't have
Speaker 4: success by going and getting guys that started their career where.
Speaker 2: Their games weren't on TV.
Speaker 4: They were on ESPN Plus or something like that, or
Speaker 4: or was it we were talking about yesterday flow Sports
Speaker 4: whatever that network was that was airon CBI games yesterday.
Speaker 4: I avoided trying to look for that. I'd have been
Speaker 4: a real junkie. At least I have felt like one.
Speaker 4: If I'm out here trying to find an online illegal
Speaker 4: fee to watch the CBI First Round games in Daytona
Speaker 4: Beach on something called flow Sports but anyways, quick Break
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Speaker 4: Union text line. This text says, Nick, I think the
Speaker 4: more that we bring up the things that Kenny Payne
Speaker 4: said makes those that hired him look even more foolish.
Speaker 4: He never even told us he wanted to win, or
Speaker 4: that he was going to win. I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: agree with you as far as like looking foolish, and
Speaker 4: maybe you're right, it's just I have a hard time.
Speaker 4: I'm really two things. I have a hard time being
Speaker 4: so over the top critical about making the decision to
Speaker 4: hire him because from you know, from my perspective, and
Speaker 4: again I'm I'm not qualified to hire a coach. There's
Speaker 4: so much that goes into it that I don't know. However,
Speaker 4: I would have done the same thing, just you know,
Speaker 4: given who else was out there that was apparently in
Speaker 4: the mix board at the time, and I was willing
Speaker 4: to just accept, you know, we don't need to go
Speaker 4: down that path.
Speaker 2: But you know, the.
Speaker 4: Scenario where it worked out, I mean, all the things
Speaker 4: that you thought made up for the fact that he'd
Speaker 4: never been a head coach clearly.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think there's ever been a coach
Speaker 2: that didn't get.
Speaker 4: The job here at Louisville more than him, and he
Speaker 4: played here, So you know, yes, and no, I don't
Speaker 4: mean I don't think anybody's looking back thinking that, you know,
Speaker 4: Like I mean, again, if you if you still have
Speaker 4: issues with it in the contract, because in the contract
Speaker 4: was something that I've never understood. But again, I'm willing
Speaker 4: to admit I don't have a clue how that works.
Speaker 2: I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 4: I don't know what you have to do in order to,
Speaker 4: you know, to get him here. But him getting the
Speaker 4: contract he got after never being a head coach and
Speaker 4: having that kind of a buy out, that just seems insane.
Speaker 4: But again, I'm sure there's more to it, I'll than
Speaker 4: I'll ever know. But yeah, you to your point. He
Speaker 4: never told us he was gonna win, right, He just
Speaker 4: wanted to buy time and tell us about how broken
Speaker 4: things were and that it's gonna you know, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be a process and culture and all this and that.
Speaker 4: And we guess we just didn't listen to him. Maybe
Speaker 4: we just thought he was, you know, doing coach speak.
Speaker 4: But coach speak this day and age is a little
Speaker 4: different than it used to be. And if you're wondering
Speaker 4: why that came up, Will Wade at his press conferences,
Speaker 4: he's introduced as the next head coach at NC State.
Speaker 4: You know, he said, we're gonna you know, this is
Speaker 4: not a rebuild. We're gonna compete in the top half
Speaker 4: of the ACC We're gonna be the NCAA tournament we're
Speaker 4: gonna win. I mean, that's what he said from the jump,
Speaker 4: and that's really what Pat Kelsey said, to be honest
Speaker 4: with you. I don't think he was out there claiming
Speaker 4: this and that as far as where you'll finish in
Speaker 4: the league and making the NCAA tournament. But I mean,
Speaker 4: bet Kelsey clearly showed up here with a real confidence
Speaker 4: in his formula as far as how to be successful
Speaker 4: and win as a college basketball coach, and so far
Speaker 4: he's been able to deliver on that. And I don't think,
Speaker 4: you know, the days of really just selling low acting
Speaker 4: as if man, it's going to be really tough.
Speaker 2: We'll see. We're not even really worried about how many
Speaker 2: games we win. We just trying to get better. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just feel like the aspect of college sports that
Speaker 4: is now professional like that's just lame to do. And
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a good thing for anybody in
Speaker 4: any way, right, Like, you want to win, you want
Speaker 4: to compete, and the quick ability to bounce back from
Speaker 4: a bad season or whatever is there for everybody. So
Speaker 4: any coach out there using the platform to try to
Speaker 4: buy time to win, that's just I think that's a
Speaker 4: foolish way to go about it.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the Louisville Men's Clinic.
Speaker 4: Fellas, You're foolish if you don't at least give them
Speaker 4: a chance to see if they can help you.
Speaker 2: They helped me.
Speaker 4: For years, I didn't know that I needed help, but
Speaker 4: then I learned, Okay, maybe low testosterone is why I've
Speaker 4: lost my edge and why I'm no longer getting the
Speaker 4: same results that I used to get at the gym.
Speaker 4: Maybe the man boobs are a product of that. Maybe
Speaker 4: you know the flab in the mid section. I mean,
Speaker 4: part of me just said, well, hey, that's you know,
Speaker 4: your metabolism is changing. You're not twenty three and you're
Speaker 4: more year thirty three. But what I didn't realize is
Speaker 4: that you lose testosteron the older you get. And when
Speaker 4: you get a little bit older, you know, in your
Speaker 4: mid to late thirties, you start to lose it a
Speaker 4: little bit more each and every year, and it can
Speaker 4: have an impact on you, and it did on me,
Speaker 4: and I just the reason this is such a natural
Speaker 4: endorsement for me is because one it's real, and I've
Speaker 4: never promoted a product or a service that I don't
Speaker 4: feel strongly about And there's a reason why we've had
Speaker 4: partners that have been around for many, many years, because
Speaker 4: that's how that's how it works. Man's got to be
Speaker 4: something genuine people can sense if you're BS and or
Speaker 4: not right at least I think they can. So it
Speaker 4: wasn't just that they helped me, but I know that
Speaker 4: there are others out there in my age range that
Speaker 4: have probably never even thought about do I have a
Speaker 4: low testosterone because they probably think it has something to
Speaker 4: do with your you know, with your sexual experience, and
Speaker 4: it's not. I mean, it can it can decrease the
Speaker 4: sex drive if you don't have testosterone levels where they
Speaker 4: need to be, and that's not a good thing, right,
Speaker 4: So I mean, again, I know, I know, I'm sure
Speaker 4: this is a small group, but I can't be the
Speaker 4: only one who just kind of assuming people would talk
Speaker 4: about low T and ED that they were kind of
Speaker 4: talking about the same thing and they're not at all.
Speaker 4: But if you do have ED, I'm sure you know
Speaker 4: about it. That's probably not something you can you can
Speaker 4: run from. You may want to be you know, you
Speaker 4: may be in denial, but they can help you. So again,
Speaker 4: Louisvill Men's Clinic dot Com is the website Fibo two
Speaker 4: four four four four thousand is the number when it
Speaker 4: comes to a rectile dysfunction, low testosterone, weight loss, there
Speaker 4: be hair restoration. They can help you fellas again Louisville
Speaker 4: men Clinic dot Com. I went to the gym today,
Speaker 4: first time I've been in about a week. Nice to
Speaker 4: break a sweat again and get and get the you know,
Speaker 4: get the get the juices going. And it hit me
Speaker 4: whenever I was leaving the gym today, Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: on vacation next week. I'm I'm gonna be I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be in Florida. And I don't even know if I've
Speaker 4: told you that, Austin. No, now you know, so uh awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well it it works out well because I just gets,
Speaker 4: I mean, I get so caught up in this time
Speaker 4: of year and really the build up to it, because
Speaker 4: to me, my calendar years are not January to December.
Speaker 4: It's more so like I'm you know, I'm in season.
Speaker 4: I'm on if you will when it comes to football
Speaker 4: starting until about derby time and then you know, the
Speaker 4: off season for me is the spring and summer months
Speaker 4: as we wait for football, right, so because you know
Speaker 4: the climax was building, right, we're about to get to
Speaker 4: March madness. Yeah, it just it absorbed me for the
Speaker 4: last few weeks, especially with Louisville being a part of
Speaker 4: it again, to where I kind of forgot that I
Speaker 4: put in, you know, many months ago, that I was
Speaker 4: going to be off next week for spring break.
Speaker 2: It's good timing, yeah, And it's.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like there's a level of spontaneousness to it,
Speaker 4: right because like I hadn't been thinking about it. Usually
Speaker 4: if you're waiting for vacation, you're you're waiting, and it's
Speaker 4: it's like, you know.
Speaker 2: It's going by the summer months.
Speaker 4: It's going by super slow, right, Like you know you're thinking,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I still got a month to go
Speaker 4: before I get to go to a beach. But for me,
Speaker 4: now it's here and I'm scrambling to make sure I,
Speaker 4: you know, get everything in order before I get out
Speaker 4: of town.
Speaker 2: That's good, You've earned it. I well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: And I get out of town and we're going to
Speaker 4: Navarre Beach, which I've never been before. It's relatively close
Speaker 4: to Destin. I think, which I'm very familiar with. So,
Speaker 4: but we are driving, and that scares me because yeah,
Speaker 4: we're driving and you know, like eleven hours, ten eleven hours,
Speaker 4: I think close to ten. But we'll like on the
Speaker 4: way there, we plan to split it up because I
Speaker 4: mean driving, and even if I was by myself, I'm
Speaker 4: not somebody that would look forward to in a ten
Speaker 4: to eleven hour drive, Like to me, that would be awful.
Speaker 4: Uh So, I mean I could do it, but like,
Speaker 4: you know, if I could split it up and still
Speaker 4: have a fun experience traveling, That's what I'll do. So
Speaker 4: we planned on leaving early Saturday morning and stopping you know,
Speaker 4: and like I think Birmingham has like a really well
Speaker 4: known zoo, so we were going to stop there. That
Speaker 4: sounds fun and go to the zoo with the kids
Speaker 4: and then get up Sunday morning and and you know,
Speaker 4: bright and early and get there and check in. But
Speaker 4: my wife, you know, she's a hard ass, She's already thinking, well,
Speaker 4: I think we should we get up there this early.
Speaker 4: We can just probably go all the way there. We're
Speaker 4: meeting a bunch of friends, so like there's a huge
Speaker 4: group of us going with with all of our kids,
Speaker 4: so that'll, you know.
Speaker 2: So, but I just may leave a day early.
Speaker 4: Just she's always got confidence. God bless her that. I
Speaker 4: just don't know why she has confidence and when what
Speaker 4: I'm talking about is she's like confident that we're not
Speaker 4: gonna have issues with screaming kids in the car.
Speaker 2: And you know from my form, my son, you know.
Speaker 4: He'll he'll he'll be okay, he'll get lost in his tablet.
Speaker 4: But even then, you know, Moose gets restless and he'll
Speaker 4: get to wine in I mean, I sometimes forget that
Speaker 4: he's still a four year old because he only a
Speaker 4: lot of his cousins and a lot of my friend's
Speaker 4: kids that he hangs out with, they're all like seven eight,
Speaker 4: and I kind of just lump everybody together in the
Speaker 4: kid range. But like there's a big difference in being
Speaker 4: a four year old and being a seven year old, right,
Speaker 4: so you know, he does kind of wine sometimes and
Speaker 4: act like a baby more so than his cousins and
Speaker 4: his and his peers and friends, because you know what,
Speaker 4: they're a lot older than him.
Speaker 2: But anyways, he'll be fine.
Speaker 4: But like my daughter, she's she's autistic and intellectually disabled,
Speaker 4: So longer car rides where she's just you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: if we can get her a sleep, that'd be great.
Speaker 4: But like we're gonna have to break the trip up.
Speaker 4: So sure, now I'm stressing about the travel down there.
Speaker 2: If she's gonna be.
Speaker 4: Hard headed and say nope, we're going all the way,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be like, come on, we should stop, Like
Speaker 4: we should stop because.
Speaker 2: Like you got to meet me in the middle.
Speaker 4: I yes, exactly, because here's here's my line, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna deliver that. I think will will will get me
Speaker 4: to a point that she'll understand like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Like the line in your TikTok, it's always a good
Speaker 2: one to drop. Yeah, I may not. I may not
Speaker 2: not for this case.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not for this case. But it's always there. If
Speaker 4: you know, it's always holistered, it's always there, and it's
Speaker 4: always one little surpriser. But if we go, if we
Speaker 4: drive all the way there and we and we make
Speaker 4: it a long long drive because I mean any drive
Speaker 4: with kids, even if they're well behaved, I mean, they're
Speaker 4: gonna stop the pee, they're gonna want to eat, So
Speaker 4: like we're gonna have some stops.
Speaker 2: So long they're gonna be trapped inside the vehicle.
Speaker 4: So let's say a ten hour drive turns into eleven
Speaker 4: to eleven and a half just because of our stops
Speaker 4: and whatnot. And even with that, I mean, there's no
Speaker 4: scenario like it's a perfect trip to where we aren't restless.
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope my kids will be perfect, but
Speaker 4: I just know that's not reality. That's not reality. So like,
Speaker 4: I don't want to arrive on no rest. You know,
Speaker 4: been in the car since four am. We're all sick
Speaker 4: of each other. Like there's nothing worse than a arriving
Speaker 4: to vacation, getting there and being in a bad mood
Speaker 4: because the travel experience sucked, your flight was delayed, all
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. So I just I I'd rather
Speaker 4: stop and have a night.
Speaker 2: Before we get there. But you should pitch that.
Speaker 4: I usually I'm gonna I'm gonna try to, but you know,
Speaker 4: oftentimes she gets her way, and that's probably best for everybody.
Speaker 2: What's the longest that you've you've driven in a car? Man,
Speaker 2: straight through.
Speaker 4: Probably probably like New York City? I mean, how far
Speaker 4: is that of a drive? I feel like that's the furthest.
Speaker 5: But I don't think that that's somewhere around like maybe
Speaker 5: fourteen hours. I'm gonna go around and say fourteen to
Speaker 5: fifteen hour drive from here.
Speaker 2: It's not that far, not that far, No, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is me twelve.
Speaker 4: I'm trying, so New York to Louisville as far as
Speaker 4: drive and this is just a quick Google search eleven
Speaker 4: hours and fifty five minutes, Okay, So I would say
Speaker 4: that's probably the furthest. However I've gone to. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: the furthest because I've I have driven to. I have
Speaker 4: family that lives in Arkansas, and that's a really long
Speaker 4: drive as well. But I don't think it's quite quite
Speaker 4: twelve hours. Yeah, I mean, so let's see. Yeah, never mind,
Speaker 4: it's easily in New York City. And that kind of
Speaker 4: makes me realize I haven't actually done the real road
Speaker 4: trip that I want to do, because I've always loved
Speaker 4: the thought of being able to just get in the
Speaker 4: car and driving, not necessarily with no destination in mind,
Speaker 4: but just you know, cross country kind of thing, not
Speaker 4: to where we're you know, and it's not about spending
Speaker 4: a ton of time in the car. It's about doing
Speaker 4: like five hours this day, six hours the next day
Speaker 4: and just kind of stopping where you end up and
Speaker 4: experiencing whatever is there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said road trip, Yes.
Speaker 4: Something about like a spontaneous road trip like that is
Speaker 4: something I'll always always want to do, but try to
Speaker 4: do for my thirtieth birthday, wife talked me out of it.
Speaker 4: Now I'm going to be thirty seven. I mean, i
Speaker 4: gotta do it at some point or I'm gonna yeah,
Speaker 4: or I'm gonna get old enough to where it's no
Speaker 4: longer going to seem cool to me. Right, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: think now I'm too old.
Speaker 2: For that now. I think as you get older, you'll
Speaker 2: want to keep doing it more. Yeah, and they'll be more.
Speaker 4: It'll be more of something that I've just built up
Speaker 4: to where like, all right, you got to do it.
Speaker 5: And then you'll really get into your like you'll develop
Speaker 5: into the final boss dad stage and say that you
Speaker 5: we we need to get an RV and that's yeah,
Speaker 5: and then you start thinking about it. Then you start
Speaker 5: going to the boat and RV show, well, RV life, huh,
Speaker 5: and then you like or a little camper like, hey,
Speaker 5: maybe we could do so.
Speaker 2: My stepdad used to do that all the time.
Speaker 4: So like, think about the dad that is playing you
Speaker 4: know a guy that's playing the dad in the r
Speaker 4: V commercial. Yes, all the stuff you see him doing.
Speaker 4: I can't do any of that. I'm not on the grill.
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, I'm not building. I'm not building
Speaker 4: the campfire where we set up the RV. I mean
Speaker 4: either I'm glamp life. You know what I'm saying. Glamp life.
Speaker 2: Maybe if you press a button and all of that
Speaker 2: just happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm sure with the with the latest technology
Speaker 4: and the new RVs that we're just here at the
Speaker 4: boat and RV show.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, sweet, Sure there's just buttons you hit and
Speaker 2: it sets it up for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty sweet. Quick break, We got to take a time.
Speaker 4: I will come back a lot more to get into
Speaker 4: before we get out of here at six o'clock. I mean,
Speaker 4: all kinds of names that you're probably familiar with, their
Speaker 4: hitting the transfer portal. Another player that has some strong
Speaker 4: Pat Kelsey connections that's available.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk a.
Speaker 4: Lot about that and more as we get said for
Speaker 4: the Sweet sixteen coming up in just a couple of days.
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Speaker 4: So we do have an update with the Yukon sid
Speaker 4: who if you remember, we talked about it yesterday and
Speaker 4: I'm sure it sounded like I was making a bigger
Speaker 4: deal of it than it than it needed to be.
Speaker 4: I just I think the comment made by the Yukon
Speaker 4: sid Bobby Mullen telling a reporter he was going to
Speaker 4: ruin his life if he didn't delete the video of
Speaker 4: Dan Hurley really, you know, showing us that he's Dan Hurley.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's insane behavior.
Speaker 4: So I guess he ended up realizing that the reporter
Speaker 4: who got the video, who's I guess his livelihood was threatened,
Speaker 4: right He said he was going to ruin his life
Speaker 4: if he didn't remove the video. His name is joey
Speaker 4: Ellis and he put this out earlier Today's It's just
Speaker 4: a quick and hopefully final update. Bobby Mullen and I
Speaker 4: spoke a short time ago during which he apologized for
Speaker 4: his behavior. I accepted it, and life rolls on. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm surprised he apologize, to be honest with you, because
Speaker 4: when it comes to the person that would hold him
Speaker 4: accountable as far as you know, realizing, Okay, this is
Speaker 4: probably one of the worst looks as far as just
Speaker 4: optics that we could have. It would probably be you know,
Speaker 4: Dan Hurley, and Dan Hurley probably feels again he's probably
Speaker 4: playing victim for Bobby Mullen, like Dan Hurley plays victim
Speaker 4: for himself whenever he acts like a lunatic and people,
Speaker 4: you know, react to him acting like a lunatic. So
Speaker 4: I'm sure it'll be you know, it's all in the
Speaker 4: past now, but still just something that can't believe happened.
Speaker 4: Something else that I've got to be honest, Cannell Leave,
Speaker 4: it's happening, but it just sucks. You know. We talked
Speaker 4: earlier in the show about just what the new world
Speaker 4: of college athletics has done to the lower level. And
Speaker 4: you have a team that just played an NCAA tournament
Speaker 4: last week. In the play in game, Saint Francis, they
Speaker 4: fell to Alabama State. Alabama State, if you remember, had
Speaker 4: that that Latner looking kind of play at the end
Speaker 4: of their game to hold on and win. Well. Saint Francis,
Speaker 4: that was their last game as a Division One team,
Speaker 4: because they're now making them move from D one to
Speaker 4: D three, which that's something you only do if you
Speaker 4: have to write like that's that's I mean that they can't.
Speaker 4: I mean not alone, Not only can can Saint Francis
Speaker 4: not compete with schools when it comes to nil and
Speaker 4: just resources in general. I mean when it comes to
Speaker 4: revenue sharing. I mean that's going to change their existence, right,
Speaker 4: I mean the revenue that they get, what little revenue
Speaker 4: they get from whatever league they're in and whatever contract
Speaker 4: they have with a network. I mean, you're not going
Speaker 4: to be able to share twenty million. But like, if
Speaker 4: you still want to get players at the Division one level,
Speaker 4: you can't tell them, yes, we're going to be one
Speaker 4: of the few schools that doesn't share any revenue because
Speaker 4: again you don't. I don't think you necessarily have to.
Speaker 4: You can share up to a certain amount. But anyways,
Speaker 4: their athletic director tells Front Office Sports that the school
Speaker 4: has been concerned about the student athlete experience for many
Speaker 4: years now, and then of course goes on to mention that,
Speaker 4: you know, we're about to have a bigger change than
Speaker 4: we've ever had in college sports with the schools actually
Speaker 4: paying players directly, not because of performance but just because
Speaker 4: of revenue share as far as how much money is
Speaker 4: made from college athletics, and really it comes down to
Speaker 4: football makes a lot of money, Basketball, a handful of
Speaker 4: programs generate revenue directly, and then of course college BASKETB
Speaker 4: the n DOABA makes a ton of money, makes their
Speaker 4: money as far as their existence from the n DOAA tournament.
Speaker 4: So D three to D one, D one to D three,
Speaker 4: that's quite the drop. But you're probably gonna see other
Speaker 4: schools do the same thing because it's just the changes
Speaker 4: have led to them. It's just not it's not a
Speaker 4: they're not compatible to be Division one schools anymore. And honestly,
Speaker 4: that may be like it may sound like, it may sound.
Speaker 2: Sad, and it is, but.
Speaker 4: Like Bellerman, like Bellerman to me, was completely fine and
Speaker 4: content being D two and then the opportunity presented itself,
Speaker 4: and obviously timing was awful for them because they made
Speaker 4: the jump and now it's to the point where they're
Speaker 4: gonna have a tough time. I mean it's gonna be
Speaker 4: tough for them. And had they known where we were
Speaker 4: headed with college athletics, I don't think they could have
Speaker 4: responsibly made the decision to go to Division one, but
Speaker 4: you can still like D one is such as somebody
Speaker 4: who dreamed of being a Division and basketball player growing up,
Speaker 4: and obviously that was that was a dream, not reality
Speaker 4: by any means. You know, there's there's so many Division
Speaker 4: one schools and that that that's such a it's put
Speaker 4: up on such a pedestal to get to that level,
Speaker 4: which is a special thing. I mean, if you've made
Speaker 4: it to being a Division one scholarship player, like that's amazing,
Speaker 4: especially in basketball becau it's hard to do. But if
Speaker 4: your Division two and you're still getting school paid for,
Speaker 4: and maybe you still have some level of nil because
Speaker 4: it does exist, it's certainly a smaller number at the
Speaker 4: D two level nai all that kind of stuff, like
Speaker 4: it may just be better cause again, like what do
Speaker 4: you add? I guess the real benefit of being even
Speaker 4: the lowest level of D one is to win your
Speaker 4: conference tournament and get to be in the tournament, Like
Speaker 4: that's such a special thing. But outside of that, like
Speaker 4: I just don't know if it's worth it, to be
Speaker 4: honest with you, And if you're really good at the
Speaker 4: D two level, like you have your own tournament and
Speaker 4: you know, it's still a great experience, I would imagine.
Speaker 4: So it sounds sad to think about, but it may
Speaker 4: be better for everybody involved if some of these types
Speaker 4: of schools do kind of read the room here as
Speaker 4: college athletics is changing so much and just say, look,
Speaker 4: we need to be a D two or D three
Speaker 4: or maybe an AI. So again I don't think Sain
Speaker 4: Francis will be the last one to do it, but
Speaker 4: again just they played in the tournament less than a
Speaker 4: week ago. Now they're falling back two spots. All right,
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