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Speaker 3: Annie, welcome back. How you doing.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Chris. It's a pleasure to be back
Speaker 4: on the show Man.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's great to have you back. Really looking forward
Speaker 2: to this one today. You're gonna be breaking down the
Speaker 2: occult symbolism from the TV series from now. If you
Speaker 2: all haven't seen this show, I highly recommend it. It's
Speaker 2: probably in my top ten all time shows. I'm really
Speaker 2: enjoying it so far. The show's basically about a group
Speaker 2: of people trapped in this alternate reality. Every night, these
Speaker 2: humanoid creatures come out of the woods and try and
Speaker 2: kill everyone, basically all the people that arrived in the
Speaker 2: town over the years. They get there mysteriously after having
Speaker 2: to take a detour on a back road because of
Speaker 2: a massive tree blocking the road. This seems to be
Speaker 2: the trigger for everyone to disappear into that alternate reality
Speaker 2: and morning. There's gonna be spoilers throughout the show, so again,
Speaker 2: I highly recommend everyone go check it out. I think
Speaker 2: there's four seasons.
Speaker 3: Right now, is that right?
Speaker 4: Yes? Correct?
Speaker 3: Right on.
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Speaker 3: Let them know how they can find more.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. My name is Anniosorrow. I'm the owner of the
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Speaker 4: been sharing information and research for about ten years. You
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Speaker 4: Shade Room and it should pop up as the true
Speaker 4: occult newspaper. And Yeah, I just started doing this research,
Speaker 4: looking deeper into things. Something didn't seem right, wrote I
Speaker 4: was raised non denominational Christian and I've always looked at
Speaker 4: things deeply and I just needed a deeper insight. And
Speaker 4: the information and the research that I came across really resonated,
Speaker 4: so I can just continue to build on it, build
Speaker 4: on it, and I have an audience that feels the
Speaker 4: same way about certain things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I love the work you're doing as it
Speaker 2: relates to this show. Would you add anything to the
Speaker 2: synopsis about the show itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the show is very, very interesting. I think it's
Speaker 4: one of the most esoteric shows that we come across.
Speaker 4: A lot of the Internet memes and themes around the
Speaker 4: show is that nobody knows what the eff is going on. Right.
Speaker 4: There's been four seasons, do we really understand what is happening.
Speaker 4: You've got this new character introduced called the Man in Yellow.
Speaker 4: The Man in Yellow kind of it reflects to me
Speaker 4: the King in Yellow if you ever read the Necronomicon
Speaker 4: and the car Koza, understanding what the King King Yellow
Speaker 4: is in our reality. There's some gnostic themes because the
Speaker 4: Man in Yellow turns into a woman named Sophia who's
Speaker 4: been time traveled or entrance in the story since the
Speaker 4: very beginning. It seems as following a time loop where
Speaker 4: certain souls come back and get reincarnated and they play
Speaker 4: different roles. And what we figure out at the end
Speaker 4: of season four is that the boy in White who
Speaker 4: was seen at the beginning very young and now he's older.
Speaker 4: Now a lot of memes is about that. Look how
Speaker 4: Odie is now. But it seems that the show is
Speaker 4: showing a game between the Man in Yellow and the
Speaker 4: Boy in White. Now the theme is centered around these children.
Speaker 4: These children apparently early early in the seasons, well not
Speaker 4: even in the season, they haven't showed it yet, but
Speaker 4: early early in the storyline of the timelines, they were
Speaker 4: sacrificed by their parents because their parents want an immortality. Apparently,
Speaker 4: that's that's what the guess is from our stars and
Speaker 4: co stars right now.
Speaker 2: And weren't they enticed by this strange female being to
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: She was whispering in their ears apparently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the kimono woman. Now, if you look into be
Speaker 4: ethic mythology, Canadian mythology, this story is all about the
Speaker 4: fourteen ninety eight discovery of John Cabot of Newfoundland. You
Speaker 4: ever heard of that connection to this? Yeah, Well, it's
Speaker 4: interesting because in Canadian mythology or the beethic mythology is
Speaker 4: about this woman, this witch. Well she's made out to
Speaker 4: be a witch and her son. So follow some themes
Speaker 4: because there's a word in Beefic called annui, and we
Speaker 4: keep getting this word by the children that continuously come
Speaker 4: to tap with the saying ankooey. Well, and they come
Speaker 4: to Jade to Jade and Tapatha are the main I
Speaker 4: guess incarnated souls that's been there a lot of times.
Speaker 4: But in Nui in Baithic language means tree. And then
Speaker 4: you have the bottle tree, and then you have all
Speaker 4: of these other trees that seems to connect to Kabbala
Speaker 4: to me, and these trees can transfer you dimensionally to
Speaker 4: other places around from Land wherever from Land is. It's
Speaker 4: but it's funny because the story is called Newfoundland. This
Speaker 4: John Cabot fourteen ninety eight storyline is centered around this
Speaker 4: water spirit, this great water spirit, and this witch, this
Speaker 4: woman who's deemed a witch, but she really was trying
Speaker 4: to save her son. But you have the theme of
Speaker 4: this kommodal woman who apparently in the show is kind
Speaker 4: of pulling the stream. Now we're looking at Fatima because
Speaker 4: she just turned to a monster in season four. Is
Speaker 4: she the kommonal woman in the future and we're looking
Speaker 4: at some type of retro causality or something like that.
Speaker 4: It's hard to really follow what actually is going on,
Speaker 4: but it seems that there is a connection between Fatima
Speaker 4: and the kommonal woman. Fatima is building a golam as well,
Speaker 4: and I believe that her lineage. I think she is Jewish.
Speaker 4: I haven't confirmed that, but I think she said something
Speaker 4: along the lines in my religion or something like that.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of interesting. And I believe that this
Speaker 4: golm because what seems to happen is that when the
Speaker 4: people that sleeping from Land, their nightmares become attached to
Speaker 4: the forest. So whoever dies, their nightmares automatically manifest into
Speaker 4: another monster. We've seen that. We've seen the music box,
Speaker 4: we seen the what was the thing crawling out? The bugs? Well,
Speaker 4: you had a lot of different but you had the
Speaker 4: spiders in season one, but I think it was it
Speaker 4: wasn't crickets. It was another type of bug that was
Speaker 4: crawling out. The guy his ear that these are fears
Speaker 4: from the different people in town, because you heard some
Speaker 4: of the characters say, I was afraid of this, just
Speaker 4: like Tabitha when she was in her older incarnation, she
Speaker 4: was afraid of those dolls, and the dolls came awake
Speaker 4: and the dolls started. The dolls was resistant to the rocks.
Speaker 4: That Boyd, who is the main character who comes over
Speaker 4: from Lost Harold Perrino, it's the actor's name. He went
Speaker 4: into the forest and he found these stones with with
Speaker 4: this Nordic inscriptions in it, and it's kind of parallels
Speaker 4: to the story of uh Odin when he received the
Speaker 4: rooms from the giant ymir and Nordic mythology and he
Speaker 4: brings the rooms back and gives knowledge to people. The
Speaker 4: same thing with Boyd. He goes into the forest one night,
Speaker 4: and he comes back with these rocks, and if you
Speaker 4: hang the rock on the door, it's supposed to protect
Speaker 4: you from the monsters, sort of biblically like in the
Speaker 4: biblical story when they told the people to take blood
Speaker 4: mark the door and then the angel or death will
Speaker 4: pass over over their life. So it's very interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, maybe we could go back to the first
Speaker 2: season and dissect each season a bit with some of
Speaker 2: the most profound symbolism that you've seen throughout. The show
Speaker 2: starts out with this one family. I'm completely blanking on
Speaker 2: their names, Matthews, the Matthews family.
Speaker 3: And they're in a camper.
Speaker 2: They come across the tree, and they were the one
Speaker 2: of the first families that the show focuses on, and
Speaker 2: this was the first time we're introduced to the falling
Speaker 2: tree that they can't get past, and basically the first
Speaker 2: time we see anyone being trapped in from land. Right.
Speaker 4: Yes, So the Matthews is interesting because going back to
Speaker 4: the John Cabot story, the name of John Ship is
Speaker 4: the Matthew So it's interesting that the first family we
Speaker 4: come across is the Matthews. And you have Tabitha, you
Speaker 4: have her husband, Jim, Jim is a was he an engineer?
Speaker 4: I think Jim was the engineer, Jay engineer? I think
Speaker 4: either Jim, Yeah, he was the engineer. And you have
Speaker 4: Julie a lot of memes about her hair throughout the
Speaker 4: different season. Julie is becoming a central character because she's
Speaker 4: able later in other seasons to storywalk. And then you
Speaker 4: have Ethan, who's the whole story is connected around. Ethan
Speaker 4: is reading this story about the crabb Knocker or something
Speaker 4: like that. It's some type of monster story. And apparently
Speaker 4: the more we go deeper into these seasons, the books
Speaker 4: that Ethan introduced in season one is paralleling to these monsters,
Speaker 4: and the themes are from so I believe that From
Speaker 4: could be a manifestation of Ethan's nightmares or Ethan's imagination,
Speaker 4: something connected between Ether, Victor and the Boy in White.
Speaker 4: The children that survive sacrifices from each feeding, they call
Speaker 4: it a feeding. When the monsters execute everyone, they kill everyone,
Speaker 4: and then the timeline restarts, and then you've got to
Speaker 4: go back. You got to get another family and a
Speaker 4: whole new group of people to come in and they
Speaker 4: have to figure out what the f is going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned Victor. He seems to be another integral
Speaker 2: part of the story that connects other people to the
Speaker 2: events happening. Have you broken down anything behind Victor's character.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Victor's character seems to me he parallels I believe
Speaker 4: Boyd is the full Victor is like the higher re
Speaker 4: font and we're talking tarot deck.
Speaker 2: Now for the audience. Boyd is like the protector sheriff character.
Speaker 2: He took on the role of the sheriff of the
Speaker 2: town and he arrived before the Matthews family.
Speaker 4: He did, so he's the one that organizes the chaos
Speaker 4: pretty much. He's ex military. His wife was ex military.
Speaker 4: He ended up having to unlive his wife because the
Speaker 4: monsters got in her head. It made her try to
Speaker 4: unlive her son, so he had to intervene. So this
Speaker 4: is the trauma each each season, the characters have to
Speaker 4: deal with doing something very traumatic because of what the
Speaker 4: this this nefarious spirit over this town is making them
Speaker 4: do to each other. But Victor, he's the high refont
Speaker 4: because he knows where all the bones are buried. He
Speaker 4: knows secrets that nobody knows because he's been there the longest.
Speaker 4: His mother is very much connected to Tabitha I believe
Speaker 4: his mother is an incarnation of Tabitha back then, and
Speaker 4: we haven't seen the manifestation of his sister. I believe
Speaker 4: his sister is very very important to what's about to happen.
Speaker 4: I believe we're about to see who her, who his
Speaker 4: sister is in season five, and Tabitha is the only
Speaker 4: one that makes it out Fromville from Matthew family. Now, remember,
Speaker 4: there's an intricate scene I believe in season one or
Speaker 4: is it season two, where she gets pushed out of
Speaker 4: the tower season two. That's the tower card, you know.
Speaker 4: The tower cards shows somebody falling, you know, and it
Speaker 4: shows a lightning in the background. It's funny because in
Speaker 4: season four, when they discover the kid's bones, there is
Speaker 4: this plasma apocalypse that happens. And I'm getting ahead of
Speaker 4: myself with that, But yeah, Victor is the person who
Speaker 4: knows the most knowledge. But because he's went through all
Speaker 4: of these traumatic traversing, of different waves of feedings, of
Speaker 4: seeing different people come and go, people that's very close
Speaker 4: to him, not just his family, other people that was
Speaker 4: trapped in from Ville, all of them end up dying.
Speaker 4: He kind of tries not to say too much because
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to bear the consequences of giving knowledge,
Speaker 4: because this place, if you have too much knowledge, it
Speaker 4: seems that it will react to you. It reacts by violence,
Speaker 4: It does something very very violent.
Speaker 2: It also seemed that he was emotionally and mentally stunted
Speaker 2: at the very age that he experienced some of the
Speaker 2: most traumatic things, because he was very childlike throughout the series.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's definitely a boy in a grown man's body,
Speaker 4: and you can see the people in town treat him
Speaker 4: that way, the very emotional scene in the last episode,
Speaker 4: because you could see and whoever's playing him, they're doing
Speaker 4: the heck of a job when his father comes in
Speaker 4: season three. Well, now in season four when they had
Speaker 4: the regular Victor and the other you know, the father drunk,
Speaker 4: drunk the blood of Sophia or she dropped droplets of
Speaker 4: her blood and it was a liquor or something whatever
Speaker 4: it was, but he drunk, and now he's having visions
Speaker 4: of Victor if he wasn't, you know, like a grown boy.
Speaker 4: Who whoever that actor is, he's doing a heck of
Speaker 4: a job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, going back to when Tabitha was pushed out of
Speaker 2: the tower, I found this to be extremely interesting because
Speaker 2: she's pushed out, she's falling what seems to be to
Speaker 2: her death. But she wakes up in a hospital and
Speaker 2: she was told that she was in a coma. This
Speaker 2: is when I start wondering if what they're experiencing our
Speaker 2: near death experiences, maybe they're trapped in some kind of purgatory.
Speaker 2: Because she wakes up and she's back in the real world.
Speaker 2: They told her she was in a coma. She had
Speaker 2: been in an accident. This is when she starts to
Speaker 2: find answers in the real world and she finds Victor's dad.
Speaker 4: She finds Victor's dad. But this is crazy, Chris, because
Speaker 4: what does Victor's dad tell him tell her is that
Speaker 4: this all started from an acid true, yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, experience started from an acid trip. Him and
Speaker 2: his spouse took some acid one day and apparently he
Speaker 2: got lost in it and that's why he was in
Speaker 2: that realm.
Speaker 4: Whatever is the entity, it's trying to convince him that, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what happened. I believe they did. I mean, they
Speaker 4: did acid and I don't know. It's it's hard to
Speaker 4: tell because you even have mushrooms in the last season
Speaker 4: that it was a lot. But there was some lies.
Speaker 4: There's lies told in every truth. If you notice in
Speaker 4: the series, it's like a little white lie that's told.
Speaker 4: But could it be near death experiences? Could it be
Speaker 4: an acid trip or is it some dreamy you know?
Speaker 4: That's what you know. A lot of people have a
Speaker 4: lot of theories. I saw somebody say that it's a
Speaker 4: quantum computer, and they broke it down very very well.
Speaker 4: They use a quantum jargon with the parts of the quanda.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, people are really trying to figure
Speaker 4: this out, and it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the fourth season and it could go a
Speaker 2: variety of different ways, for sure. Let's talk a bit
Speaker 2: about the monsters that come out at night, vampiric type creatures.
Speaker 2: They first appear as normal humans, except very pale, with
Speaker 2: these extremely creepy smiles on their face the entire time.
Speaker 2: Then when they get close enough, they will attack and
Speaker 2: kill the people.
Speaker 4: Yes, the most popular of them is Smiley. That actor
Speaker 4: is very, very popular, and if you remember the scene
Speaker 4: when he's rebirthed, it reminds me of what happened a
Speaker 4: couple of days ago with Peaz, Hilton and Arion.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear I heard something happen but what exactly
Speaker 2: happened with that, if you don't mind.
Speaker 4: Apparently Paris Hilton went on TikTok. Paris Hilton is like
Speaker 4: this gossip blogger.
Speaker 3: Of Rez Hilton or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Peress, I'm sorry pronounced Perez Hilton, I think went
Speaker 4: on TikTok and apparently he had a nervous breakdown or something.
Speaker 4: But he started to cover his body in his own blood.
Speaker 4: Take take different things, and I don't want to say
Speaker 4: this on your platform. He was doing some things that's
Speaker 4: very strange. But Arianna Grande video came out and she
Speaker 4: was covered all with that, remember smiling when he was boring.
Speaker 4: He was covered. I'm like, there's something. There's some some
Speaker 4: sabotine and Frankist stuff going on with this. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so the monsters, so, like I said, every different season,
Speaker 4: you the monsters aren't the scariest thing. It's the nightmares
Speaker 4: in the forest. Because you remember when what you had
Speaker 4: Martin that was chained up in the basement, when Boyd
Speaker 4: met him, Juliett actually story walked and threw him the
Speaker 4: rope to get him out of it. You know that
Speaker 4: probably set course everything that's happening right now really that
Speaker 4: one scene. We still don't know who Martin is. But
Speaker 4: Martin said, your blood is my blood, and he transfers
Speaker 4: some type of blood ritual. It's all this stuff is
Speaker 4: about blood rituals. You notice that because he did. The
Speaker 4: man in yellow said, this place is about rituals, and
Speaker 4: if you don't do the ritual the right way, then
Speaker 4: you have to dade. You gotta start over, or something
Speaker 4: gets out of place, and now you have to face
Speaker 4: whatever comes next. So when Martin gives him his blood,
Speaker 4: he apparently gets these worms. It's really demi urged arconic.
Speaker 4: So these worms are in Boy's body and Boy goes
Speaker 4: back into town. And these monsters, the ones that you
Speaker 4: spoke on, they're very hideous, strange looking things, only come
Speaker 4: out at night. They're super strong. There's nothing you can
Speaker 4: do to them. You can shoot them whatever, they're just
Speaker 4: impervious to physical damage. We believe that these monsters are
Speaker 4: the souls or the people who sacrifice the children in
Speaker 4: the beginning of whenever this thing happened, and that's why
Speaker 4: they're immortal. They live underground orn.
Speaker 2: They promised immortality for sacrificing their children. In a sense,
Speaker 2: they got immortality, but most likely not like they thought
Speaker 2: they would.
Speaker 4: Right, So it was a lie. Once again. You got immortality,
Speaker 4: but you're going to become like these mindless monster slaves.
Speaker 4: I mean, they make funny jokes. I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 4: they when they're in human foreign they'll stand at the
Speaker 4: door and said, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 4: So they're like, I don't know, they got a little
Speaker 4: comedy to them while they're about to torture someone. And
Speaker 4: remember when they made Void watch when they tortured t
Speaker 4: Ten's wife, Kenny's mother. That was like some of the
Speaker 4: craziest stuff on TV. You know, make him watch that stuff.
Speaker 4: But boy, the only way that we see one of
Speaker 4: these things get hurt is when he transfers the worms
Speaker 4: and kills Smiley the first time. So we're like, yay,
Speaker 4: everybody in the audience, like, finally we get to see
Speaker 4: these things die. Have you seen the video of the
Speaker 4: guy that's doing AI and he's putting himself in from
Speaker 4: and he's saving everybody he's beating out. They gotta find
Speaker 4: that like that thing that goes viral every time he
Speaker 4: makes a video. But yeah, so we're like, yeah, like
Speaker 4: finally we know how to beat these things. And what happens.
Speaker 4: Fatima starts to say she's feeling weird. She has a
Speaker 4: craving of eating rotten fruit, which is something parallel to
Speaker 4: that in the Garden of eating. Because if you see,
Speaker 4: the drawing is at the beginning of from everything is intricate.
Speaker 4: The drawings are from Victor. Victor is drawing this stuff,
Speaker 4: but everything Victor is drawing is truthful. Chronology of the
Speaker 4: metaphysics and the occultism behind the town.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you covered the symbolism behind her
Speaker 2: name Fatima. That's a very esoteric name as well, our
Speaker 2: lady of Fatima.
Speaker 4: The incident Fatma, Yeah, I talked about it. There was
Speaker 4: a Fatima, wasn't it a upholige? Some type of ufology
Speaker 4: behind the Fatoma event.
Speaker 2: They had a massive event in the early nineteen hundreds
Speaker 2: where a massive crowd of people witnessed a UFO that
Speaker 2: passed over them and even left burn marks on their bodies.
Speaker 2: It was preceded by sightings of Mother Mary that the
Speaker 2: children in the local areas started to witness. It was
Speaker 2: a wild mass sighting of something.
Speaker 4: Right, and it seems like the stuff between her and
Speaker 4: Boyd's son. I'm forgetting his name. They're biblical. They're very
Speaker 4: biblical because it's like the the Garden of Eden's story.
Speaker 4: It's funny because she people pointed out and they figured
Speaker 4: out that Fatima actually grows the weed from me. They
Speaker 4: show the pictures. I started said, she looked like she
Speaker 4: may do that, but yeah, so she starts to crave
Speaker 4: eating this rotten fruit, and then we figure out she's
Speaker 4: hurting because she's the town, the entity or whatever type
Speaker 4: of changeling you've heard of, changeling, beings, whatever. It seems
Speaker 4: like the whole town is a changeling and it can
Speaker 4: make you become a part of it. It uses her
Speaker 4: body as a vessel to rebirth Smiley after boy killed
Speaker 4: Smiley with the worms. So it's like we're like, damn,
Speaker 4: Like we can't do nothing to this thing. Like we
Speaker 4: thought that we figured out what's going to defeat this thing.
Speaker 4: Now it can use a woman where nobody has ever
Speaker 4: had children in the town. We're thinking this about to
Speaker 4: be the first baby that's born in the town. No,
Speaker 4: it birthed a monster, you know. So it's like the
Speaker 4: most darkest Cringey TV show. That's how right now it is.
Speaker 2: It is one hundred throughout the forests surrounding the town,
Speaker 2: and from there are different magical areas and artifacts. And
Speaker 2: you mentioned that Boyd found these amulets, which for a
Speaker 2: while was their only source of protection at night. For
Speaker 2: whatever reason, these amulets kept the monsters out of homes
Speaker 2: whenever they hung it against the wall near a door.
Speaker 2: Eventually some other things happened to where it rendered them
Speaker 2: uneffective and there was some sabotage some other creatures that
Speaker 2: weren't affected by the emulets. But talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about the amulets and what it may represent.
Speaker 4: So the amulets on it we figure out in the
Speaker 4: last two episodes in season four. It's like we got
Speaker 4: to wait to the very end to figure out what's
Speaker 4: going on that on these stones, if you look very closely,
Speaker 4: the drawing on the stone stones are actually Tabitha and
Speaker 4: Jade in a former incarnation, and the stone that's on
Speaker 4: the amulet in the middle have these markings around it.
Speaker 4: It shows the slab where the children were sacrificed at
Speaker 4: so it was showing what you needed to do the
Speaker 4: whole time. On the stone, Tabitha and Jade had to
Speaker 4: go back on the ground to where their bones were buried,
Speaker 4: and they had to go get the children's bones, and
Speaker 4: it's right on the stone the whole time. And Jay
Speaker 4: figures it out. Because Jade is the smartest person on
Speaker 4: the show. I forgot what he was. He's something. Well,
Speaker 4: he's like a computer engineer or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that. Him and Jim used to get
Speaker 4: into it a lot, Tabitha's husband. But yeah, apparently that's
Speaker 4: what's on the stone. So the stone is showing the
Speaker 4: ritual process of what happened in the town that started
Speaker 4: all of this stuff. It's also showing what you need
Speaker 4: to do to get the reboot of the system to
Speaker 4: really get close to get getting your ass out of there.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the other magical areas throughout the forests, they
Speaker 2: have different locations with different metaphysical purposes. It would seem
Speaker 2: you mentioned the Bottle Tree earlier, which is a central
Speaker 2: part of the story, but there's also this area that
Speaker 2: if you enter in it, it causes an out of
Speaker 2: body experience to where you're able to travel to different
Speaker 2: alms throughout different times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Julie uses this area. It's like these stones
Speaker 4: that's this barren land that's close to where the Lake
Speaker 4: of Tears is, which is very important. The Lake of
Speaker 4: Tears is the star tarot Card. I think that's where
Speaker 4: the souls of the people from the previous timelines are at.
Speaker 4: I think that's where Jim is right now as well.
Speaker 4: We can get into that in a second. But yeah,
Speaker 4: So Julie finds this area and she goes with the
Speaker 4: I forgot his name. He gets cut on the face,
Speaker 4: but she he is basically her anchor. She goes into
Speaker 4: this rigid place and she basically has a Yeah, she
Speaker 4: has an outer body experience every time she does it.
Speaker 4: But what she's really doing when she has this outer
Speaker 4: body experience is time traveling. So she goes back and
Speaker 4: she probably goes to about twenty or thirty years back
Speaker 4: in the past. She sees the first feeding when Victor
Speaker 4: was a kid, and the man in yellow is waiting
Speaker 4: on her and she sees him actually eating someone. So
Speaker 4: she thinks that with this ability, which Ethan mentions this
Speaker 4: ability in season one, he talked about story walking and
Speaker 4: what story walking was about. With this ability, she's trying
Speaker 4: to develop the skill to leave what's called a bookmark
Speaker 4: just like you leave it in a book. So she's
Speaker 4: trying to put something back in time so she can
Speaker 4: go back and change what's occurring in the past, because
Speaker 4: she wants to bring her father who was murdered by
Speaker 4: the man man in Yellow back. Now, she fails at
Speaker 4: this the first time that she does it, and the
Speaker 4: Man in Yellow reinforces the lack of confidence that she
Speaker 4: has in it, so she gives up on it in
Speaker 4: season four. But we believe that Julie is going to
Speaker 4: become key in season five of going back into that
Speaker 4: story walking and discovering really how to do that. But
Speaker 4: the only thing is the only every time that she
Speaker 4: does the story walking, she goes into a seizure type
Speaker 4: thing when she goes out her body, So it's like
Speaker 4: she's risking her life every time she does it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Another magical area in the forest is the bottle tree,
Speaker 2: which you mentioned earlier. This is a very important part
Speaker 2: of the story. I remember one wild part where essentially
Speaker 2: the bottle tree seemed to be used to travel from
Speaker 2: one location in the from land to another. But you
Speaker 2: never know where you're going to end up, and this
Speaker 2: one character tried to travel through the bottle tree. You
Speaker 2: just go in through a hole in the tree and
Speaker 2: he ended up stuck trapped inside the cement the concrete
Speaker 2: side of a swimming pool, and of course he died.
Speaker 2: It was a pretty brutal scene, but that was wild man.
Speaker 2: So you never know where you're going to end up
Speaker 2: if you try and go through the bottle tree. I
Speaker 2: think Tabitha was the only one to successfully go through
Speaker 2: the tree, Is that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tabitha was the only one successful that went through
Speaker 4: the bottle tree. And I think Victor and I think
Speaker 4: his mother had I think it was his mother, so
Speaker 4: but Tabitha is his mother technically in another incarnation. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the guy failed because Tabitha noticed inside of the bottles
Speaker 4: are written down dates, which are like coordinates to whenever
Speaker 4: you take that date or you look at it is
Speaker 4: how you set up the courtinet of where you travel
Speaker 4: back in time to. So her and Jade kind of
Speaker 4: figured that out. You know that these things are not
Speaker 4: just writings, they're actually years of how long this stuff's
Speaker 4: been going on. So the people were using the bottles
Speaker 4: to record and coordinate how they can, you know, travel
Speaker 4: back and forth from the bottle Tree. When Tabitha uses it,
Speaker 4: it takes her to the tower. And that's the thing
Speaker 4: about it. The children need someone to rescue it. But
Speaker 4: it can only connect specifically to Jade and Tabitha, because
Speaker 4: I believe that Jade and Tabitha, their souls have incarnated
Speaker 4: into this simulation more than everyone else. I don't know
Speaker 4: if the children are more familiar. Maybe they were the
Speaker 4: first parents that go all the way back. We'll see that,
Speaker 4: but it has to be those two.
Speaker 2: And the children appear throughout the series, mainly to Jade
Speaker 2: and Taba, but the sometimes to victors well, but they
Speaker 2: just give cryptic messages that at the time nobody really
Speaker 2: understands what they're saying. As time goes on, you start
Speaker 2: to understand that the children were sacrifices and their souls
Speaker 2: are essentially trapped there, and they're trying to relay how
Speaker 2: to free them, essentially through these cryptic messages. I guess
Speaker 2: that's the only way they're able to communicate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it reminds me of some type of bow type
Speaker 4: ritual or a bull up type thing, like going back
Speaker 4: into the ancient world, whatever was going on in those times,
Speaker 4: you know, during the Chaldean era, you know, way back then,
Speaker 4: something occurred in this area that's similar to that, and
Speaker 4: whatever is this nefarious spirit behind the sacrifice and the
Speaker 4: monsters and containing everyone within the simulation. It's feeding off
Speaker 4: the energy and of those children, and you're not gonna
Speaker 4: get out of there until you do something with the
Speaker 4: bones of the kids, which they finally get to.
Speaker 2: In season four, you mentioned how the souls of the
Speaker 2: people that were killed by the creatures are trapped somewhere
Speaker 2: in the forest.
Speaker 4: Is that right, Yeah, So there is something called the
Speaker 4: Lake of Tears that Ethan and Jim brings up. So
Speaker 4: the Lake of Tears apparently is supposed to be the
Speaker 4: salvation place. They thought it was the area that they
Speaker 4: usually collect food from. So when you live in Fromville,
Speaker 4: it's strange because sometimes food doesn't grow, but sometimes it does.
Speaker 4: It changes, but it doesn't change in seasons like how
Speaker 4: we experience change. It can rapidly change when you push
Speaker 4: too much, and that's how the seasons changed. So if
Speaker 4: you figure out something that you're not supposed to figure out,
Speaker 4: that's and the seasons change. But they usually gather food
Speaker 4: by this lake. So Ethan is trying to tell his mother,
Speaker 4: like Dad came to me, and Dad was saying that
Speaker 4: if we go to the Lake of Tears, we might
Speaker 4: be able to bring him back and might be able
Speaker 4: to get out of there. Apparently it wasn't this lake
Speaker 4: that they went to. Inside of this lake they found
Speaker 4: these big dolls, and yes, yeah, you remember that. So
Speaker 4: when they go to the lake, that's by where they
Speaker 4: gather food, prototypically, Tabitha notices these dolls from a memory.
Speaker 4: That's another thing. Certain events can trigger memories between Jade
Speaker 4: and Tabitha, and then we get big inklings of what's
Speaker 4: going on based on how they see things. So she
Speaker 4: remembers that these dolls used to be long to her.
Speaker 4: What she also remembers is that there was a man.
Speaker 4: And by the way, this isn't a further incarnation. This
Speaker 4: is isn't Tabitha. This is her remembering another incarnation. I
Speaker 4: have to clarify for the audience. She remembers a man
Speaker 4: when she was in another incarnation as a little girl.
Speaker 4: He was afraid of the dolls. And apparently that man died,
Speaker 4: and when he died, his fears became a part of
Speaker 4: the forest, and the dolls came to life and became monsters.
Speaker 4: So at the last minute, they're sleeping in this place,
Speaker 4: and she says, oh, I remember, I remember how to
Speaker 4: hurt them and what we figure out. Also, I skipped
Speaker 4: one part. There's these large sticks with skulls or something.
Speaker 4: It looks like some type of talisman of a skull
Speaker 4: made in an indigenous way to protect that area from
Speaker 4: evil spirits. Tabitha takes one of those sticks with the
Speaker 4: skulls on it and she stabs the doll and and
Speaker 4: nothing else was you know, they thought the stones didn't
Speaker 4: even work. Ambulance didn't do anything. Hey, those monsters busted
Speaker 4: the wall like the kool aid Man. Yeah. Wild, So
Speaker 4: they mess a lot of people up. But yeah, so
Speaker 4: that lake wasn't it. But there is apparently a lake somewhere,
Speaker 4: and we believe that wherever the Lake of Tears is
Speaker 4: is where the souls of all of the people who
Speaker 4: died there are trapped.
Speaker 2: Throughout the series, different people have either a different entity
Speaker 2: or the place itself whisper in their ears tell them
Speaker 2: that if they do this, they'll be able to escape.
Speaker 2: It's always deception, It always causes greater problems. But some
Speaker 2: of the characters were affected by this more. I forget
Speaker 2: the young lady's name, but she started experiencing voices that
Speaker 2: would tell her that if she did this, this, and this,
Speaker 2: that they would be able to leave, and it always
Speaker 2: ended up in some kind of horrible disaster when she
Speaker 2: would listen to the voices.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're speaking about Sarah. Sarah. So Sarah is another
Speaker 4: important person and that's another biblical name. So Sarah is
Speaker 4: a she's a normal type. Well we think she's normal.
Speaker 4: She's like the type of person in town that before
Speaker 4: she committed this egregious crime in town. By the way,
Speaker 4: we didn't talk.
Speaker 3: About the box.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the box is something that boyd establishes as sheriff.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like their form of jail, but it's
Speaker 4: not jail is literally if you do something that threatens
Speaker 4: the safety of the town, they put you in the
Speaker 4: box overnight and then the monsters come and tear you apart.
Speaker 4: They don't give you a stone. This like is over,
Speaker 4: you know. So that's like punishment if you don't follow
Speaker 4: the rules. So Sarah, nobody knows. But whatever this changeling
Speaker 4: or this nefarious being is, it has different ways of
Speaker 4: getting to the people. It doesn't have to send the monsters.
Speaker 4: It can literally come in your mind. It can make
Speaker 4: you see things, It can come in your dreams, It
Speaker 4: can influence you to do certain things. It shows Sarah
Speaker 4: or it starts to speak to Sarah in her mind
Speaker 4: and tell her that it knows how to get everyone home,
Speaker 4: and it tells her to kill Ethan, which makes sense
Speaker 4: to me because I believe a lot of this story
Speaker 4: has to do with what Ethan, maybe him having the
Speaker 4: connection of being the only child really in the town
Speaker 4: and Victor being the only child that came from the
Speaker 4: other feeding or the killing, the massacre, and then the children.
Speaker 4: You know that. I think Ethan is connected to whatever
Speaker 4: that auspicious thing is of being a child in that place.
Speaker 4: It tells Sarah to basically take him out. Sarah believes
Speaker 4: that if she does this that it will take it
Speaker 4: will free everyone, and the game will be over. So
Speaker 4: when she attempts to do it, she ends up. I'm
Speaker 4: kind of foggy here. She ends up actually unliving her brother.
Speaker 4: I don't know if her brother did her brother try
Speaker 4: to save Ethan. I think her brother intervened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe so, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so her brother intervened and she ended up on
Speaker 4: a lite now boy based on the rules Boyd is
Speaker 4: supposed to put her in the box, and everybody in
Speaker 4: the town like she needs to go in the box,
Speaker 4: you know. But boy kind of feels some sympathy because
Speaker 4: she's telling him, you know, this thing keeps talking to her,
Speaker 4: and there's something that convinces him too, because Boyd, for
Speaker 4: the most part, is logical. Boyd, he's not gonna do something,
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of stuff going on with him too,
Speaker 4: because he's starts to see things as well. But Boyd
Speaker 4: isn't just gonna follow what someone says just because they
Speaker 4: say it. So Sarah begins to show boy things or
Speaker 4: tell him things. They actually make a trip into the
Speaker 4: forest together and that's when they ran into Martin. But
Speaker 4: boy doesn't put her in the box, and that makes
Speaker 4: everyone feel a certain type way. But what happens to
Speaker 4: Sarah She has to live away from colony house and
Speaker 4: in town and this house, and that's where the man
Speaker 4: in Yellow Sophia, when he turns into Sophia, that's where
Speaker 4: he ends up getting to Sarah and doing some other
Speaker 4: things by living with her.
Speaker 2: Another person that was affected by the voices and the
Speaker 2: promise of being set free if they followed certain instructions.
Speaker 2: I forget the young man's name, the one they had
Speaker 2: to torture and remove his eye. Do you remember his name?
Speaker 4: It was l L something. He's a he's an important
Speaker 4: character too. I think him and Julie is like the
Speaker 4: same age. But apparently the commodal woman begins speaking to him,
Speaker 4: and the commodal woman does the same thing that whatever
Speaker 4: that other spirit did. Uh, you found it.
Speaker 3: I'm looking for it right now. Elgin, Elgin, Elgin, Yes,
Speaker 3: there it is, okay.
Speaker 4: Yes, So Elgin becomes a victim of the same thing
Speaker 4: that Sarah becomes a victim of, just in a different way.
Speaker 4: So this is around the time that Fatima becomes pregnant,
Speaker 4: and Elgin is convinced that having this thing whatever. I
Speaker 4: don't know if he knows that it's going to be
Speaker 4: a monster. As a matter of fact, he doesn't know.
Speaker 4: But whatever is occurring, the voice is telling him to
Speaker 4: take Fatima away from the people, and this is gonna
Speaker 4: help bring everyone home whatever comes out of this, So
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way they portrayed this kimono creature lady, the
Speaker 2: people couldn't visually see her, but they could understand what
Speaker 2: she was saying. They could hear her somehow, but from
Speaker 2: the audience's perspective, they did show her, and she was
Speaker 2: this hideous, monstrous looking female being in a kimono dress.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like every time they reveal one of
Speaker 4: these monsters or every season, it's kind of like they forget.
Speaker 4: You remember the doll the what was it? It was?
Speaker 4: It was like a little doll. I forgot the name
Speaker 4: of the doll, but it was a big part of
Speaker 4: like season three, but we never see it again, you know,
Speaker 4: you remember the doll?
Speaker 3: I don't think so to go back and watch that one.
Speaker 4: He was tied to one of Jade's incarnations, Christopher.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah forgot I forgot the name of the doll. But yeah,
Speaker 4: but anyways, yeah, the soul, the kimono woman, convinces him
Speaker 4: to do it. Of course, her husband is like, h no.
Speaker 4: So the ramifications of this Elgin has taken Fatima and
Speaker 4: taken her put her somewhere no one can find her.
Speaker 4: In this whole event, She's given birth with what they
Speaker 4: don't know will be a monster. So Boyd having to
Speaker 4: be the voice of reason or the person that keeps
Speaker 4: the chaos at bay, which he starts to fail bad
Speaker 4: in this this season. In the fourth season, he hed
Speaker 4: be to interrogate him with violence. Now he doesn't do
Speaker 4: what he should do, which go to the extreme, because
Speaker 4: he just I think he just bangs on his hand.
Speaker 4: He does something. He doesn't hamm on his hand. You know,
Speaker 4: that's that's fed up, you know. But guess who comes
Speaker 4: along and does what's necessary. Good old girl Sarah. So
Speaker 4: Sarah takes a screwdriver and this is very ritualistic and
Speaker 4: I won't say what she does, just you know, keep
Speaker 4: that away. But he ends up with one eye. And
Speaker 4: I believe this one eye symbolism goes.
Speaker 3: Back to the brutal scene.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: It is. It is how they show it and how
Speaker 4: he heals, like how they have the knitted and they
Speaker 4: make it very gruesome. But him having one eye, I
Speaker 4: believe it ties to the serial society. Starting the season
Speaker 4: with the eye. I noticed, like, okay, this is secret
Speaker 4: society type stuff. He's walking around with one eye. They
Speaker 4: always do so, and you see it in the credits
Speaker 4: at the beginning, there's a little thing with one eye.
Speaker 4: I said, okay, they flash it every time.
Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts on the radio in the
Speaker 2: diner that every once in a while will play these
Speaker 2: different hit songs. It's usually when people are having highly
Speaker 2: emotional situations or they're in a really bad place. This
Speaker 2: happy song will come on out of nowhere, and no
Speaker 2: one can figure out why it's coming on. The radios
Speaker 2: aren't even plugged in.
Speaker 4: I believe the music, the music in the Diner is
Speaker 4: like a troll spirit. It's the troll personality of this
Speaker 4: changing spirit. It's trolling them. It's simply trolling them, you know,
Speaker 4: And it gives key songs that connects them to sometimes
Speaker 4: to memories like things that they used to listen to,
Speaker 4: and then it makes kind of fun of very traumatic events.
Speaker 4: So I think it's there to kind of troll and
Speaker 4: give some comedic relief. But it's really at bad times,
Speaker 4: so they're like, you know, what the f what is
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 2: You mentioned how Boyd eventually has some hallucinations and starts
Speaker 2: speaking with something. From what we're shown, it's one of
Speaker 2: the previous dead members of the group.
Speaker 3: He was a priest, he.
Speaker 2: Had died violently, Yes, he died violently at the hands
Speaker 2: of the monsters, but he started showing up to Boyd
Speaker 2: and speaking with him. It's still unclear if that's the
Speaker 2: real spirit of Father Coffrey, if it's a hallucination from Boyd,
Speaker 2: or if it's the trickster spirit of the from Land.
Speaker 4: What we believe and the people who are really from Land,
Speaker 4: you know, watchers of the show, we believe they killed
Speaker 4: him off too quickly. The writers killed him off, and
Speaker 4: because they did so, they had to try to write
Speaker 4: him back in as.
Speaker 3: An apple rich interesting.
Speaker 4: So that's what everyone has concluded in the community. You
Speaker 4: could be correct, it could be a part of the
Speaker 4: changeling of the nefarious spirit, but to me, it seems
Speaker 4: like it represents Boyd's subconscious, So it's not Father Coffrey.
Speaker 4: Its Father Cothry manifested as Boyd's subconscious, so it's actually
Speaker 4: Boyd talking to himself.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the mushrooms that Jade took. I think it
Speaker 2: was in the fourth season. There are many psychedelic themes
Speaker 2: throughout this show. How Vic's dad took the LSD. But
Speaker 2: the mushrooms were very interesting because he took them seeking
Speaker 2: answers on how to escape. He found them in the
Speaker 2: woods at a perfect time when they were looking for answers,
Speaker 2: and he had a very profound experience which led him
Speaker 2: to some answers, which led them to the finale of
Speaker 2: season four as well.
Speaker 4: Right, Jade was the funniest person in the show. This
Speaker 4: guy was so funny. This guy had me laughing. Now
Speaker 4: he's become a more serious character now, so I think
Speaker 4: they had to do that. It's like some type of
Speaker 4: out chemical type thing he's going through. He was even
Speaker 4: willing to sacrifice himself in season four, which he would
Speaker 4: never had done in season one. They would never had
Speaker 4: done that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was kind of a pricking season one and two.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, but he still
Speaker 4: was funny. He's basically taking these mushrooms trying to see
Speaker 4: if since he discovers that he's an incarnation of something
Speaker 4: linked to Tabitha, he's trying to see if it could
Speaker 4: give him, you know, answers, and Boyd kind of goes
Speaker 4: along with it. We forgot to mention Donna. Donna is
Speaker 4: very important for the story as well. She's like the
Speaker 4: the landlord of colony house, I guess.
Speaker 2: Very strong mother figure for the whole group, but also
Speaker 2: kind of butch and not afraid of much and she
Speaker 2: can handle her business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this woman work at my job. She reminds me
Speaker 4: a lot of her. She actually just like her. I
Speaker 4: want to show her from let's say, you remind me
Speaker 4: of Heard. I don't want to be weird. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: so I believe that Donna is a big part of
Speaker 4: keeping sanity, keeping Boyd saying, you know, she also she
Speaker 4: goes way back, well not before Victor and anything, but
Speaker 4: she she's been there for a while, so there's a
Speaker 4: lot of trusts. She's pretty much second in charge, you know,
Speaker 4: of the town. If anything happens to Boyd, she will
Speaker 4: pretty pretty much be in charged. But she comes to
Speaker 4: Boyd when they consider taking these mushrooms and she's like, really,
Speaker 4: you're really gonna do it, Like you're really gonna take
Speaker 4: some freaking mushrooms? Like okay, well, I'm y'all are losing
Speaker 4: it now.
Speaker 2: But mushroom's grown in a strange interdimensional hellscape where monsters
Speaker 2: come out at night.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 4: Why not? Why not? She was like, this is the
Speaker 4: stupidest thing ever. And I'm agreeing word, But it's like,
Speaker 4: at this point the show has become so metaphysical. I
Speaker 4: think Boyd is like, man, we got to try anything,
Speaker 4: We got to get out of here. Bro. It's too much,
Speaker 4: to much stuff. I don't think there's a happy episode
Speaker 4: from Yeah. So when he takes the mushrooms, the main
Speaker 4: thing I noticed is the drinking of the blood. You know,
Speaker 4: that was very very weird, and it is shows him
Speaker 4: that vision and then it has like the little boy.
Speaker 2: Drinking of the blood. Who was it that presented him
Speaker 2: the cup with the blood? And it was a previous
Speaker 2: character or a previous person that ended up in from Land.
Speaker 4: I think it was the boy, the little Boy he
Speaker 4: plays in He plays in another TV series that I
Speaker 4: just Oh, he plays in the Institute. You guys, go
Speaker 4: back and watch the Institute. He's the boy. He's the
Speaker 4: youngest in the Institute. Same same actor, Uh plays that.
Speaker 4: Uh he is like some I don't know. I think
Speaker 4: he's the younger version of Jade. Is he the younger version?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Maybe that would make sense.
Speaker 4: It's probably the young younger version version of him. And
Speaker 4: it tells him not to drink it, though they told
Speaker 4: him not to drink it, you know, it said this
Speaker 4: is some bad stuff. But he drinks it anyway, and
Speaker 4: that's when the trip really starts to take over and
Speaker 4: he ends up going into the catacombs and finding the
Speaker 4: slabs of where the bones were buried through a mushroom trip.
Speaker 3: The bones of the children, right, the bones.
Speaker 4: The bones of the children are buried, which is quintessential. Now,
Speaker 4: the main thing is that there was supposed to be
Speaker 4: a contrapman and colony house that they had to move
Speaker 4: like out the way. But when he comes back into
Speaker 4: reality and they try to look for this little contrapmant,
Speaker 4: it's not there. It's a it's a solid wall that's there.
Speaker 4: So everybody's looking like that mushroom trip didn't do shit, bro,
Speaker 4: But something happens the Boyd. He has a conversation with
Speaker 4: father coffin you're subconscious, and this is when it takes
Speaker 4: over and he gets angry. I think this is after Donna.
Speaker 4: Donna has a heart attack and that was like real
Speaker 4: hard for the fans. It was hard for everyone. The
Speaker 4: frustration from that makes Boyd say we gotta go now,
Speaker 4: you know, we want to save Donna. So he takes
Speaker 4: that hamberg. He goes down and he just starts hitting
Speaker 4: the wall where it's supposed to be and come to
Speaker 4: figure out Jade was right. It was a door that
Speaker 4: leads into the catacombs. Just as he said, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's wild.
Speaker 2: Any thoughts about how the fourth season ended, What is
Speaker 2: happening after they managed to actually get the bones out
Speaker 2: of the catacombs. I believe Jade and Tabitha were still
Speaker 2: trapped in there at the end, So there's a kind
Speaker 2: of cliffhanger as to what's going to happen. But they
Speaker 2: did manage to get the bones from the initial location,
Speaker 2: but it seems to have triggered some kind of apocalyptic
Speaker 2: event in from Land.
Speaker 4: It did well. The first thing is we don't know
Speaker 4: what the f is the man in yellow, Like, right,
Speaker 4: what is his abilities? Like? The Man in Yellow is
Speaker 4: like quite essential the boy in white, that's another big character,
Speaker 4: Like why doesn't the Boy in white just tell them?
Speaker 2: Well, he seems to be the only one that communicates
Speaker 2: in a coherent way, not talking in riddles the whole time,
Speaker 2: But still he refuses to give full answers.
Speaker 4: Right, and he tells them I wouldn't do that. He
Speaker 4: sounds like the monsters like he told them, do not
Speaker 4: take the bottle tree out the ground, like this is
Speaker 4: one thing. And that's when we saw the emotional part of Victor.
Speaker 4: He really didn't want them to take that bottle tree
Speaker 4: out because I think it's very important. But what ends
Speaker 4: up happening is, like you said, Jade and Tabitha go
Speaker 4: down there, they find the bones, they dig the bones out,
Speaker 4: and they escape up out of there. I don't know how,
Speaker 4: because they're the monsters chasing their ass. Oh, I know how.
Speaker 4: Now Fatima, Fatima, yes, really changes and fully into a
Speaker 4: freaking monster.
Speaker 2: Yo, Like, yes, she's going through this transformation for the
Speaker 2: past couple of seasons.
Speaker 3: After she gave birth to.
Speaker 2: The monster, she starts experiencing these weird physical changes. That's
Speaker 2: also when she decides to build the golem. Apparently by
Speaker 2: giving birth to the monster, she had this attachment to
Speaker 2: it to where she was psychically seeing through the monster's eyes.
Speaker 4: So she can see through the monster's eyes. We believe
Speaker 4: that Smiley can actually see through her eyes as well,
Speaker 4: So there's some type of yeah event with that. Now
Speaker 4: does this mean, now that she changed into a monster,
Speaker 4: that she can still be Fatima and come back or
Speaker 4: does she have to live down there with the monsters now?
Speaker 4: I don't know, like that that's the cliffhanger. But yeah,
Speaker 4: apparently she becomes a monster and it really helped them
Speaker 4: without her becoming a monster. It seemed like they were
Speaker 4: scared of her. So it makes me think if she
Speaker 4: actually the mother of the monsters, is she kommodal woman
Speaker 4: now because the monsters, Yeah, because she's probably the new
Speaker 4: kimmodal woman. Maybe kommodal woman is the leftover residue of
Speaker 4: apparition before and the whole thing was to convince Elgin
Speaker 4: so it could be reborn through Fatima. I don't it's
Speaker 4: like we have all these questions us. It's theory galore.
Speaker 4: But I think she's becoming something like the mother of
Speaker 4: the monsters because when she roared, they all stopped. They
Speaker 4: were scared, didn't they didn't move, and they just boided
Speaker 4: them got up out it. I mean, I think BOYD
Speaker 4: went down there too. But yeah, at this point, you
Speaker 4: had like a plasma apocalypse, you know, lightning and ground
Speaker 4: shaking and everything. And the man in yellow has a
Speaker 4: conversation with the boy and White. That's interesting, first time
Speaker 4: we've seen them talk. So they've been doing this for
Speaker 4: a while, you know, they've been talking to each other.
Speaker 4: And the boy and White says, you're gonna lose this time,
Speaker 4: and he says maybe, but he said, they don't have
Speaker 4: the bottle tree. And by the way, they have a
Speaker 4: funny way of introducing characters each season that we don't
Speaker 4: know who the f they are. But it was like
Speaker 4: a woman that was working for Sophia, the man in
Speaker 4: yellow that was gathering up all of the stones. So
Speaker 4: now they don't have the ambulets anymore to protect them,
Speaker 4: or there's probably like a few left. They probably didn't
Speaker 4: get all of them, but it's you know, next season
Speaker 4: is gonna be wild because they probably still think that
Speaker 4: they have them. But the point is is that he
Speaker 4: told the boy and White, well, they don't have these,
Speaker 4: they don't have the amulets, and the boy White was like, well,
Speaker 4: they have the bones. They have the bones of the children.
Speaker 4: They're closer than anyone has ever been. And he makes
Speaker 4: like a sinister laugh, like nah, it's all before the ass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, where I'm at with everything. My theory so
Speaker 2: far is when the townspeople, the original townspeople sacrificed their
Speaker 2: children for whatever this entity was, it came along promised
Speaker 2: them immortality, so the townspeople decided to go ahead and
Speaker 2: sacrifice their children to this thing, and it caused this
Speaker 2: pocket dimension to form because of the traumatic energy that
Speaker 2: was created during the sacrifice, and now this pocket dimension
Speaker 2: needs to be fed human souls in order to continue.
Speaker 2: That's just my theory. But again, like you said, it
Speaker 2: could be so many different things, and I am so
Speaker 2: excited to find out what comes in season five.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. I just I think that it's Ethan. I
Speaker 4: think it's I kind of think that it's some type
Speaker 4: of Ethan dream or something connective. But that's why I
Speaker 4: kind of believe, and I think the Men in Yellow
Speaker 4: is very much connected to Ethan. So I have so
Speaker 4: many theories. I did a video on it, you guys
Speaker 4: want to look at. I did a video on YouTube.
Speaker 4: It's like five hours, but it's not just from but
Speaker 4: there's a segment it's called Future AONs Decoded and in
Speaker 4: Future AONs Decoded on my YouTube, I do like like
Speaker 4: forty minutes on it, but it's real and death Like
Speaker 4: I go through each terr card. I connect each Tarot
Speaker 4: card to each character and we go very much in depth.
Speaker 4: I just couldn't really remember how I did it, but
Speaker 4: everyone I know that Boyd is the four card because
Speaker 4: in the beginning he had those dogs, so you know,
Speaker 4: on the full card has a dog tugging and a
Speaker 4: boy does a lot of foolish things. But so, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what I believe. But it's just very gnostic, you know, Yes,
Speaker 4: it's very gnostic in them naming the girl Sofia. I
Speaker 4: think it's some type of inversionism, you know, that's what
Speaker 4: it seems. But she does have knowledge, She does have
Speaker 4: a lot of knowledge about this place. So whatever this is,
Speaker 4: it is definitely how you say, it's a pocket dimension
Speaker 4: and it's a simulation of a simulation. And yeah, these
Speaker 4: people they're bound to the rules of the place, They're
Speaker 4: bound to the rituals of what this place is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a wild show.
Speaker 2: Like I said, highly recommend that you guys go check
Speaker 2: it out. Any closing thoughts, anything that you're working on
Speaker 2: that you'd like to share with the audience before we
Speaker 2: close out.
Speaker 4: Sure, I just did a video called Liminal Spaces Decoded,
Speaker 4: so I go and break some of that stuff down.
Speaker 4: I think we should do something on Silo.
Speaker 3: Uh, that's one too.
Speaker 4: You've been watching Silo, I have, yes, you always watched
Speaker 4: the good stuff. Silo has a lot to a lot
Speaker 4: of information, a lot of different things. There's some AI connection,
Speaker 4: so We've been breaking Silo down, and I think every
Speaker 4: esoteric show that comes out, we go on Patreon. We
Speaker 4: do like decods around it. People share their thoughts and
Speaker 4: then I go on YouTube and I do a bigger
Speaker 4: broadcast and go through it. So I would advise people
Speaker 4: if they like from to check out Siloo. Excuse me,
Speaker 4: the last season is real good. The last episode, the
Speaker 4: last two episodes had me on the edge of my seat.
Speaker 4: I had my discord and say, hey, Silo is the
Speaker 4: ship right now?
Speaker 3: It was good man, it was good. Well, this was
Speaker 3: awesome man.
Speaker 2: Like you said, we'll have to break down more shows
Speaker 2: in the future. We'll definitely be doing this again. Either way,
Speaker 2: remind the audience the best way to access all your content.
Speaker 4: Yes, you guys can go to my Instagram at the
Speaker 4: Spiritual shape Room one. You can go to YouTube at
Speaker 4: Anni Osaru and go to Patreon at patreon dot com,
Speaker 4: slash te Underscore, Spiritual Shape Room, the True Ocult Newspaper.
Speaker 4: And I appreciate you brother for having me on.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you man. We'll do it again and until
Speaker 2: next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
Speaker 3: We'll talk again tomorrow.
Speaker 4: See all that peace.
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