1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: All right, This is Paul White from Lagrains, Illinois and 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:07,400 I play at. 3 00:00:07,519 --> 00:00:10,599 Speaker 2: Mountain Shadows in Scottsdale, Arizona. 4 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: This is called Smarter number nine. Wedges don't come with 5 00:00:14,759 --> 00:00:17,000 a user manual, and they should Where you got to 6 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:18,760 the front edge of the club and the back edge 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,039 of the club, and different lives will determine when you 8 00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:22,600 need to use a bit more of the front edge. 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,960 Different lies will determine when you need to use a 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:26,480 little bit more of the back edge, when you need 11 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:28,079 to dig a bit more, when you need to play 12 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:29,600 a bit more with the back edge, which is what 13 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,920 I call it the bounce the back edge. So make 14 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,560 sure you get yourself in your dress position, depending on 15 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,079 the line and the shot, the best opportunity to execute 16 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:39,640 the shot. It starts with that. If you're on a 17 00:00:39,679 --> 00:00:42,159 certain line and you're not setting up to it properly, 18 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:45,079 you may feel yippy when in fact not being able 19 00:00:45,119 --> 00:00:46,520 to pull off the shot, when in the fact you're 20 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,960 just not utilizing the club properly. And that would be 21 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,479 the first thing I would check from a technique standpoint, 22 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,600 what's the lie doing? How do I use this club? 23 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,320 And don't be afraid to go experiment. Again, there's not 24 00:00:56,479 --> 00:00:58,560 right or wrong, there's more efficient ways to do it. 25 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,719 But don't be afraid to go out and hit different 26 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:03,280 ships and experiment with the ball being up, experiment with 27 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,079 the ball being back, Experiment with an open face a 28 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,640 closed face. So I would do that. And the second 29 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,480 is be aware of what you're mindful of during the. 30 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: Motion, debunking the myths on the roll of your wrists 31 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,840 during the swing with Kelvin Kelly. 32 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from 33 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,280 great golf minds to help you lower your score and 34 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:34,799 raise your golf IQ. 35 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,359 Speaker 1: Here's your host, Fred Green. 36 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,239 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Golf Smurter podcast. 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: Calvin, Yeah, Fret, thanks for having me back on. 38 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,599 Speaker 3: Great to have you back on. How's your podcast going. 39 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: Hey, it's doing well. We got kickstarted with your help. 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,680 Were remember you were nice enough to kind of show 41 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:56,439 me the ropes and get the ball going on. Your 42 00:01:56,519 --> 00:01:59,280 tremendous help and a few others helped me out and 43 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:02,200 it's been fun do about one a month, maybe two 44 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,239 a month, and reaching out to other people in the 45 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,919 golf business and always listening to yours for ideas. Sometimes 46 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,479 I steal some of your your guests after they've been 47 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:14,039 on your show. 48 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,719 Speaker 3: But who wait a minute, who. 49 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: Shouldn't say steal him? But I'll get ideas. 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,879 Speaker 3: To Hey listen, people are like, oh, I'll be on 51 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,000 a podcast. Okay, So like what people have we both 52 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:25,759 had on the show. 53 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, people love being on a podcast. 54 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: They do. Yeah, So like, tell me what topics you've 55 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,759 had with what with which guests? 56 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: See Carl Morris, you've had on yours about a Yeah, 57 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,879 he's actually coming back on tomorrow. Okay, it'll be good. Yeah. 58 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,080 I always love talking golf with him and the performance 59 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,199 side because he just covers everything from you know, the 60 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,319 mental side of it to performing on the golf course. 61 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:54,919 There's a lot of good life stuff too. We talk 62 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,960 about what books he's been reading and and all that. 63 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,960 So he's always a good a good chat. Seems like 64 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,120 it could go three hours. Yeah. I've had Gary Edwin 65 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:07,479 on the Australian Teacher Talk a little bit more golf 66 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:13,280 swing that, Sean Foley on Talk to Stoicism. Actually from 67 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:20,439 article I wrote on Golf WRX, Gary Nickel co Athor show. Yeah, yeah, 68 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,960 co authored Lost Art of co author Lost Our putting 69 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,080 Lost Art of Playing Golf shoot, I've had Bradley Hughes, 70 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,240 popular golf instructor right now, both online teaches a bunch 71 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,360 of tour players. So I've done about thirty episodes. 72 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: I think, well, it's interesting. It's a very different approach 73 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,120 than what I'm doing. Obviously, because you're an instructor and 74 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:43,599 talking to instructors. Do you get deep into the weeds 75 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:45,879 or do you try to keep it on a level 76 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:48,319 where it's for the everyman golfer. 77 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good questions. It is definitely a bit different. 78 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,599 To be honest, it's kind of for me. I know 79 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,120 that guys this is for me too, so I totally 80 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,479 get it sounds a bit selfish, but no, I just figured, 81 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,000 you know, I got a lot I've been in golf 82 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:03,800 since I was fifteen. I'm thirty nine. I got a 83 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,840 lot of good golf connections. I was figured out, why 84 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:10,319 not just ask other people in the business golf questions. 85 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:12,120 I would want to know whether or it's about the swing, 86 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:15,080 how to get better on the golf course, and figure 87 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,319 out just the tape the conversation and see where it goes. 88 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,759 So it's kind of weird juggling, like how much when 89 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,040 I'm in a conversation with somebody like I do got 90 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:25,040 to remember, well, you know, people want to listen to it, 91 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,040 So it's been kind of a kind of a mental battle, 92 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:31,759 I guess, you could say, thinking how much of it 93 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,720 should be for me and how much to people would actually, 94 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,959 you know, would want to listen to it. So it's 95 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,279 kind of different in a motivation, I guess, but try 96 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:40,959 to find a balance between the two. But it's yeah, 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,680 it's kind of for me, in which other people like 98 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,000 to listen to it seems. 99 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I think that's the key to this, 100 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,560 at least, if I were to give any advice at all, 101 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:51,600 it would be just if it's about you, make it 102 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:55,680 about you and people will appreciate the honesty. Don't try 103 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,519 to pander to somebody or an audience, because you got 104 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:03,040 to remember on podcasts, and we may have discussed this, 105 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:08,600 people only listen by themselves. People rarely listen to a 106 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:11,040 podcast in a group. They watch TV in a group, 107 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,040 they go to a movie in a group, but when 108 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,199 it comes to podcasts, it's a very intimate experience because 109 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:20,680 they're usually wearing headphones or earbuds, so you're inside their head. 110 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:23,560 So you just want to communicate on a one to 111 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,920 one level, and if it's about you, keep it about 112 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,560 you and they'll relate, you know, they'll empathize with you 113 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:29,959 on that. 114 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I never really thought about them listening to it solo. 115 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:33,959 It's a good point. 116 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And are you guys well? First of 117 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,759 what's the name of your podcast? 118 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:44,519 Speaker 1: Pretty simple? It's Kevin Kelly Golf Podcast. Okay, kind of 119 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,319 sounds but yeah, well it's okay. 120 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: You're a golf instructors, you should put your name on it. 121 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,279 That's why I took recently, I took my face off 122 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:58,920 of my podcast artwork. It's like, I'm not giving instruction, 123 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,360 why is my face on you know, It's like, it's 124 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:04,839 not about that. I want to let I want to 125 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,720 put other people's faces on it, because they're giving the instruction. 126 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,879 They're the experts. I'm the student. 127 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I originally had some other names that I could 128 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,879 start off with better than most, but it kept changing 129 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,639 and ended up with killing Kelly golfsk podcast just because 130 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:20,759 it's the conversation we has had. It's just it was 131 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,079 my conversations and all the other names sounded like Elie, 132 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,879 you know, trying to promote something or that it was 133 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,199 about a certain topic, and when it's it's about all 134 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,000 kinds of different topics in the golf business. 135 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: Oh good, all good, I'm glad. So you know, does 136 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:40,199 this fall into like golf instruction for you and in 137 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,399 the podcast, because I know you have strong feelings about 138 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:48,680 online golf instruction, So how does the how do you 139 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,680 avoid getting caught in that in your podcast? 140 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,319 Speaker 1: Well, I just don't have all the online guys on 141 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,680 my on my own podcast. Yeah, it's more I guess 142 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:02,160 maybe it's a it's a bit of old school in 143 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,720 the sense that I love reading. It's my hobby outside 144 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,279 of golf. That in my Diehard and Las Vegas Raider fans, 145 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,160 old Oakland Raider fans. So I love reading. So I'm 146 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:14,920 starting to get some authors on my podcast from books 147 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,399 that I have enjoyed reading from the past, not related 148 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:21,720 to golf. Sure, not directly golf books. I just had 149 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:25,360 a doctor ann Anna Lemke on. She's the author of 150 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:29,560 Dope Imine Nation. She's actually a professor over down at Stanford, 151 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:32,920 so kind of relatable to golf in terms of how 152 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,519 the brain works. So just a book I enjoyed. And yeah, 153 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,000 and then if you've gone down the road wrote Road 154 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:43,480 of Perform golf performance. If you read the book, you 155 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,199 definitely see some correlation between the two. With the most 156 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,680 title sums up the books just how dopamine works in 157 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,319 our brain and how we get it, so super interesting read. 158 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:54,720 So it's a little bit and I just talked to 159 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:59,680 her to kind of combined it with with golf. Yeah, 160 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,480 maybe a bit a bit, a bit different than what 161 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,680 you would see with most kind of online podcasts or 162 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,839 even instructure. Like we were chatting before, I'm kind of 163 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:11,399 staying away from doing the online lessons and just seeing 164 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:15,319 how much it's, uh, it's it's it's how popular it 165 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,920 has become. Although it is very convenient for people, there's 166 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:21,879 just a lot of current fads and instruction that people 167 00:08:21,959 --> 00:08:25,240 take and spew it out there trying to get followers 168 00:08:25,279 --> 00:08:28,040 and ends up being you know, just content to be 169 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,399 honest and makes golfers worse. So, but trying to avoid 170 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:33,519 avoid going down that road. 171 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 3: So let's talk about the things that frustrate you about 172 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:43,360 you know, like we're not talking about YouTube videos, are 173 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:46,840 we We're talking about people who are like sending videos 174 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:51,159 to instructors and letting them you know, like doing remote instruction. 175 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,000 Is that what you're would frustrates you on online golf instruction. 176 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, and may even frustrates a bit of 177 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,759 a bit of no overkill. Now, I think the YouTube 178 00:08:58,759 --> 00:09:00,360 stuff is pretty bad too, to be honest. It's like 179 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,679 a Tiger Woods's stay away from YouTube. 180 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:07,639 Speaker 3: Tiger. Yeah, but have you seen Tiger Talks? 181 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: No? I haven't seen that one. 182 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay, So there's a couple of videos. 183 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,279 They're made by Taylor made and it's Tiger. My favorite 184 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,159 one is Tiger and Colin Morikawa talking about the short game. 185 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Oh. That stuff is pretty good. 186 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:27,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, And and it's almost as if Colin is interviewing 187 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,639 Tiger about things that he does, you know, how he 188 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,360 plays short game shots and whatnot. And there's many times 189 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,759 during this that Colin's like, wow, I never knew that, 190 00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:40,840 And I'm like, wait a minute, you've won multiple majors. 191 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,679 What do you mean you didn't know that? And you're 192 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,279 you're learning something new. It's really really compelling. Another one 193 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:55,679 that I watched was Tiger Rory and Nelly Corda on 194 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,399 driving okay. 195 00:09:57,519 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: And awesome, awesome talks. There's a there's actually a tailor 196 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,039 made one with Tiger Rory and Jason Day. I think 197 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,559 it's like forty five minutes. They're talking about short game, 198 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:10,440 hitting different shots around the green. It's like a casual conversation. 199 00:10:10,799 --> 00:10:13,559 That stuff is an exception, that stuff's completely different. That 200 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:16,559 really is That stuff is fascinating. How that they mike 201 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,200 him up and uh like, I will say, Bryce and 202 00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:21,279 Dcambo's channels pretty sweet. 203 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,919 Speaker 3: And look what it's done for his life. I know 204 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:27,600 that's that's pretty much film changed his personality. I talked 205 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:30,000 to Matt Janella a couple of weeks ago about this 206 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,840 about Bryson and what an impact it's had on his 207 00:10:34,919 --> 00:10:38,799 personality and presentation. I mean, the way he presented himself 208 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,639 after he won the Major was like really impressive. 209 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:44,919 Speaker 1: He's got a big PR team. 210 00:10:45,399 --> 00:10:48,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, he's got a team. Lots of 211 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:52,440 strong people on UDDs team left and right, I mean everywhere. 212 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,879 Speaker 1: No, his channel is pretty sweet. That is the one 213 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,360 I do watch and the miked up to her players 214 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,200 with the short game and putting his Actually, that's promote 215 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,120 my I have my students listening to some of that 216 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,879 just to show them how many different ways there are 217 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:08,519 from the short game shots. But in my opinion, that's 218 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,240 almost anti kind of what I meant about the online 219 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:16,039 golf instruction warrible. Somebody will play but short game guru, 220 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:18,559 and this is my chipping method and this has to 221 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,200 be done this way, and everything else doesn't work, so 222 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,879 follow my program. So I would say that YouTube stuff 223 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:27,840 is almost complete opposite of the stuff that, like we 224 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,559 were chatting about before. It gets to me a bit 225 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,720 in my tend to screw in my students or even 226 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,159 the full swing of you know, here's my academy, do 227 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,120 it this way and that's right, and that's wrong, and 228 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:38,879 shallow the club this way, and it's all like the 229 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:43,519 same stuff over and over stuff, no different animal YouTube stuff. 230 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,039 Speaker 3: One of the things that really cracks me up actually 231 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:57,679 is we can fix your slice in five swings. We 232 00:11:57,799 --> 00:12:00,440 can too, you know, just watch this video and in 233 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,559 five swings with nobody helping, you know and showing you 234 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,559 how to do it, you know, touching you. I mean, 235 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,440 you're a hands on instructor and you prefer it that way. 236 00:12:10,759 --> 00:12:14,399 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well now the biggest I mean I still 237 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,840 like to look. Well, I'm on the algorithm, so a 238 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:18,879 bit of a hypocrite. It's been way too much on Instagram. 239 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,000 I try and monitor how much I'm on it, but 240 00:12:21,039 --> 00:12:23,000 I ended up. What do you call it when you're 241 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:25,840 passively scrolling when you don't even don't even realize it. 242 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:29,000 I work on it, but I'm definitely guilty of it. 243 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,840 So I do listen to a lot of stuff, Like 244 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:32,559 I said, listen to your podcast and other podcasts. But 245 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,399 he's got filtered. It's all the shallow in the club 246 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,840 now right hop on Instagram. It's ten different ways to 247 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:43,240 shallow the club, shallow the club, and just no real 248 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,399 teaching on how the body works and understanding origin and 249 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,159 getting to the root of how to fix it. And 250 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,960 they're all I almost think they're method teachers, and always 251 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:57,240 thinks they're not a method teacher, but that's their method. 252 00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:59,480 They're They're all teaching the same thing. It's all the 253 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:03,480 video tape down the line. It's all shallow obsession. And 254 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,000 then it's all the same stuff. 255 00:13:06,159 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: What do you mean by shallow obsession? 256 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: I said, every two three years, there's fads in the 257 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,720 golf business. Right right now, it's just shallowing the club. 258 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,919 Where I'm pulling the club. You'll be publishing the video 259 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,519 where the schefts steep in it and it shallows this way. 260 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,120 I think the George Jenkish which he got really popular 261 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:26,519 online teaching a few years ago, I think it was 262 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:29,679 the start of it. So uh, that's kind of the main, 263 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:32,399 the main fad right now online everybody thinks they have 264 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,000 to be super shallow with the club or the trail 265 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,840 arm has to be in a certain position, and which 266 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,000 it is actually extremely beneficial to have the club a 267 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,519 bit more shallow, but there's a there's a bit more 268 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,360 to it in terms of how the body works, and 269 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,159 say two years maybe three years ago prior to the 270 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:51,679 shallow is the early extension and all my students saying 271 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,039 I can't have my butck come off the wall. TPI 272 00:13:55,159 --> 00:13:57,399 started that one about add about four or five years ago, 273 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,879 and that's now basically been debunked. Well, you can't, or 274 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:02,879 the extent that's completely okay, probably bad for your back 275 00:14:02,919 --> 00:14:04,919 if you do try and keep your butt back. So 276 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,799 now it's just interesting here in students that that that 277 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:10,919 keep up with that stuff come in and say, oh 278 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,799 what about this That person said that, or I saw 279 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,759 on this h on this Instagram post it's bad to 280 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,840 keep my butt back or has to come in this 281 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:20,720 way and it's like, oh more to it. 282 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,519 Speaker 3: So what do you find to be the most popular 283 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,120 myths that people are coming to you with when you're 284 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:30,559 giving one on one instruction and they're saying, well, you know, 285 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,480 I watched this video and he tells me I should 286 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,200 be doing this one. Are the things that you're like, Okay, 287 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:39,159 thank you for sharing that, but it is so not 288 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:40,000 for you. 289 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. I would say I can 290 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,200 answer that to you. I would say for different for 291 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:51,120 beginners and experienced players or scratch players. Sure, yeah, totally 292 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:55,200 for beginners, and it's that's no brainer. It's the classic 293 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,480 keep your head down in the golf swing. That's a killer. 294 00:14:59,039 --> 00:15:02,000 Keep keep keeping your keeping your head down, trying to 295 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:03,720 keep your eye on the ball, looking at the ball, 296 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:05,919 and so everybody kind of looks like that after they 297 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:09,279 hit it. Now your face has to go with the 298 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:12,240 with your body in the golf swing like it would 299 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,799 with any sport. Home hit a tennis ball, a tennis 300 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,120 rack in my hand, my head's going to go that 301 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:19,279 way throwing a ball. People just think when they beginners 302 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,200 or people starting out, when they when they top the 303 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,720 ball or mishit it, they have the sensation that their 304 00:15:23,759 --> 00:15:26,759 head might have gone early, so they they perceive that 305 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:28,759 they didn't keep their head down long enough, when it's 306 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:31,000 just it's a fake feel that's not really what's going on. 307 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,080 So the beginner is a common myth or misconception is 308 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,240 keep your head down. You definitely don't have to keep 309 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:40,360 your head down, and you're definitely not going early. Head 310 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,080 needs to actually go with the body. I get some 311 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,679 people to even feel like they're looking early against their 312 00:15:44,679 --> 00:15:47,480 body to move to move better through the shot. So 313 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:50,120 that's definitely the first one. That's like a ninety percent 314 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,000 chance somebody comes in with that one right out of 315 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:53,279 the right, out of the gate. 316 00:15:53,399 --> 00:15:56,159 Speaker 3: Now when you say a beginner, could that also fill 317 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:02,159 in for somebody who say a fifty five total. 318 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I've had yeah, 319 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,879 fifteen sixteen index players, hand keet players stay the same thing. Yeah, 320 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:12,080 So I would say that one rings is is common 321 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:15,879 not just with beginners, but yeah, kind of pretty much 322 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:20,879 all I say scratch golfers to categorize it. But yeah, 323 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,600 not flat out beginners, but I heard that. And the 324 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:27,039 second one is keep the arm straight. That's up there 325 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,759 with keep your head down, keep keep the left arm, 326 00:16:28,879 --> 00:16:31,559 keep your keep your lead arm dead, straight and rigid 327 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,679 in the golf swing. I'd say that's the second killer, 328 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:34,960 or mostly. 329 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:37,399 Speaker 3: On the backswing or on the entire swing. 330 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: I would say entire swing, but definitely on the backswing. 331 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,440 You don't have to keep your talking. For a right 332 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,799 handed golfer, you don't need to keep your left arm 333 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,120 straight in the golf swing. It's actually more, actually more 334 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,360 detrimental than than beneficial. If you don't play any sport 335 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,960 with with straight arms, you know, throw a ball with 336 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:01,679 straight arms. You don't shoot basketball, throw a football, throw 337 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,240 a baseball, and any sport that I know of with 338 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,000 with straight arms. In golf, you don't need to either. 339 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,680 It actually will hinder how you move people. Sometimes people 340 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,839 will see their their left arm on video and they'll 341 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:18,480 see it collapsed or too much bending. But usually there's 342 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,279 an origin to that. It's usually more time than not, 343 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,119 it's actually the trail arm not working properly, which which 344 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,599 makes that lead arm soften to bed. But they'll they'll 345 00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:30,759 try and fix that by keeping their left arm straight, 346 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:35,079 and you're trying to keep that rigid and straight. It's 347 00:17:35,079 --> 00:17:37,160 an uphill battle. You'll see a lot of two or 348 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,839 players with it looking straight on on camera. For sure, 349 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:42,319 some will be slightly bent. Someone will look straight, but 350 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:46,640 thereby no means intentionally keeping it locked and straight. And 351 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:50,160 different physiology too. Some people have a hyper extended left arm, 352 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:55,799 you know, different, different physiology. So rarely is somebody trying 353 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:58,079 to keep that I should say rarely, never is somebody 354 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,279 trying to keep that left arm piper extended through this swing. 355 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 3: You can't move right. You can't rotate right. 356 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, understand, it just can't. I can't swing your arms, 357 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,000 can't that way, I can't swing your body. 358 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: No, I'm very curious about this. As far as the 359 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:19,480 left arm for right handed golfer, you want to do. 360 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:22,000 You want to keep it straight for a certain amount 361 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,440 of time and then let it move a little more 362 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,880 as you get farther back, or it just that's not 363 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:31,200 relevant at all. It's all about the trail arm. 364 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: I don't say it's relevant, but doesn't need to be 365 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:37,720 directly addressed. It is a good way to put it. 366 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:41,720 Generally speaking, I keep soft arms. I call them catching arms. 367 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:44,079 Like I'm in the video here, I'm just putting my 368 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,559 arm down of here throwing me a basketball. I'm catching 369 00:18:46,599 --> 00:18:48,240 an impact bag. If if I were to catch it, 370 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:50,440 both my arms would look like this where they're both 371 00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:53,920 double armbent, so they're both really almost at ninety degrees here. 372 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,880 And if I get my arm structure proper, my right 373 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,240 shoel lived below my left, since since we gripped the 374 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:01,920 right hand blow the left and the golf swing, naturally 375 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,920 their right shoulder should be a bit more below or left. 376 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,920 And then when I get my arm structure like this 377 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:08,839 a bit, then it'll it'll look straight, but it's still 378 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,599 got some some then to it. Like I said, if 379 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:13,680 you have a hyper extended left arm, it'll it'll look 380 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:16,200 rigid and straight. But then if you get your right 381 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:19,440 arm to work properly and your body to work efficiently, 382 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,559 and you keep the radius the same radius is how 383 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,440 far the hands are from the body and the clubhead, 384 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,519 that arm should actually take care of itself. So I'd 385 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:33,519 never have to have somebody think about keeping the arm 386 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,480 same flex if any will be the opposite. And if 387 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,519 people are too wide with their golf swing, because that's 388 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,000 going back to YouTube, it's commonly taught is take it 389 00:19:43,079 --> 00:19:46,160 back wide wide as you can. And people take it 390 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,400 back wide like that, they'll actually get narrow at the 391 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,559 top of this when that arm will get collapsed. So 392 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,200 I actually almost teach the opposite. We're all get people 393 00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:56,839 to feel at times, depending on the player, I'll get 394 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,920 at times, I'll get players to feel almost like that 395 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:02,279 left arm throughout their backstone, because I know that will 396 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:04,079 look like that with speed, because your muscle is a 397 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,440 long game when you make the motion dynamic, So my 398 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:09,359 feeling will be this soft almost. The people that don't 399 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,279 have a video that almost look alligat or armed, dish funky, 400 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,279 like I couldn't break a hundred, But that feel with 401 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,359 stee will look extended and my arm will look straight. 402 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,200 So just a differency feel in reality and what you 403 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,759 feel at a that's slow motion compared to what happens 404 00:20:24,759 --> 00:20:26,119 when the motion becomes dynamic. 405 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: But there's other parts of the arm. Let's break this 406 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:33,880 down even further. The upper arm, right, So like I 407 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,640 in watching you describe that and you talk about people 408 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:39,839 reaching out, you know, all of a sudden, now their 409 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,839 body's not straight anymore. They're swaying back and forth here, right, 410 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,880 which is obviously a big problem. But what about the 411 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:51,480 upper arm. I mean, we've been we've heard a lot 412 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:54,799 about I've seen Gary player talk about this on video, 413 00:20:54,839 --> 00:20:56,880 and we had Tony Manzoni talk about this a lot 414 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,240 about keeping that left arm or your your left upper arm, 415 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,640 your bicep kind of attached to your pack, right to 416 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:10,079 your chest. Tell me your thoughts on where the upper 417 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,799 arm is in that backswing. 418 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, it's just all it's where start with 419 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,880 this one. Yeah. At a dress, I'll call it my 420 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,400 bicep tri step on top of my arms. Keep it simple. 421 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,039 At a dress, I like to see with those soft 422 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,240 I'm called throwing arms, not someone with bad arms, because 423 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,200 that kind of spooks people. Throwing arms or spaghetti arms 424 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,200 to need or those soft arms and can be moved 425 00:21:35,319 --> 00:21:37,720 quickly like this, I can't throwing a ball with some 426 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,440 speed at a dress. I usually like to see. There 427 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,119 are some accepted, but I usually like to see the 428 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,759 top of the arms. Will say, in my case, my 429 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:50,039 biceps and my triceeps touching, touching my pecks. I hate 430 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:54,640 the word connected because it's not when I think, at 431 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,839 least in my mind. When I think connected, I think, Okay, 432 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,880 the top of my arms are touching my chest, and 433 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:02,680 I'm gonna keep it connected, and everything's gonna move together 434 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,640 and that's not really a dynamic motion. When when I'm 435 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,720 trying to keep my top of my arm connected to 436 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,960 my chest and I make everything everything move back at 437 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,759 the same time. If I start with myself throwing arms 438 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:19,759 and I get that club at move in first, my 439 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,599 arms will Actually you've seen the video here, and I'll 440 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,319 try and explain it the best I can for people 441 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,839 that don't have video. When I'm swinging, when I'm swinging 442 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,079 my arms around me this way, my arms are actually 443 00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:36,799 pulling my shoulders, which in tern then pulls my chest 444 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,559 around so it is still connected in my left arm 445 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,920 is still touching stay my bicep and my tricep at 446 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,440 the at the top of the swing. Just the sequence 447 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,400 was a bit different than say, trying to keep it connected. Basically, 448 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,279 I'm not a fan of the one piece takeaway. 449 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: Man. 450 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:56,079 Speaker 1: It's a better way to explain it, where if I 451 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:01,200 grip it here and everything's moving together, most people listening 452 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,519 to this podcast could probably picture a one piece takeaway. 453 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:07,400 It's never made sense because when does that one piece, 454 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,279 When does that one piece stop, and when does the 455 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:13,160 club head keep going? And the second you gripped this 456 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,759 club the clubhead is the club becomes a part of you, 457 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,759 and that clubhead is the furthest point away from your body. 458 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:23,599 So I just don't see how that can't not move 459 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,160 first the clubhead. It's got to travel the greatest distance 460 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,440 if you're looking at me face on. So I'm getting 461 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,799 the clubhead going there, and I'm swinging the shaft and 462 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,519 my arms are moving and it's moving my shoulders. So 463 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:39,200 and that's what I call a turn in the golf swing. Well, 464 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,000 I don't really use the word turn. It's too subjective. 465 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,559 I don't know if we chatted about that the first 466 00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:48,160 time I was on your podcast. Maybe not. I call 467 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,519 a golf thing a throw or or a coil or 468 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:54,240 I can see the lat here face on. When I 469 00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,680 hear the word turn, I think of everything turning together, 470 00:23:57,839 --> 00:23:59,960 like I'm turning around the talks and talk to something 471 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,839 body look there. Yeah, I look at it more of 472 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,400 a throw. If I'm swinging my arm up, my body 473 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,960 is going around a bit this way. I kindomatically speaking, 474 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,000 this isn't my opinion. It's actually a fact. I had 475 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,279 doctor Mark Bull on my podcast, not not to plug in. 476 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:16,799 Speaker 3: My own but no, that's fine. 477 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, anatomically speaking, if I just stood here and just 478 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,079 swung my arms up. For the people that are on 479 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,359 the video, I'm holding my chest in one spot. I'm 480 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,480 not trying to turn my might see my rib cage. 481 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,599 If I just swung my arms up with my soft 482 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:38,039 arms this way, that's a shoulder turn. So this here, 483 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,039 when my left arm goes across my chest, that's that's 484 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,680 moving my shoulder. This here where I'm moving my upper body. 485 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,359 Obviously my shoulders are moving in space, but that's not 486 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,400 a shoulder turn. That's being governed or engined by my chest. 487 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:55,000 I call it ribcage. By definition would be the thorax. 488 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,640 But so somebody would look at that and say that's 489 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,640 not a turn, I say it is. That's a shoulder turn. 490 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,319 And I go that way, and that's my throwing motion, 491 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,880 and that's a turn or a coil, not so much 492 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,519 the one piece where I don't as we'll stick the 493 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:10,480 club in my belly and swing it like that. It's 494 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:13,200 not a The golf motion isn't a belly putter golf sling. 495 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,960 It's it's a it's a dynamic throw. So I have 496 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,119 a different definition of the word turn. So fascinating stuff, Jack, 497 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,920 And there's always more than one way to get it done. 498 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:26,519 I've always appreciated how other people do get it done with, 499 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,839 say some some swings outside the norm or even cookie 500 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:34,759 cutter sling. So just my opinion on what a turn 501 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,079 is maybe a bit different than what most people think 502 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,559 of it as. 503 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,599 Speaker 3: All right, now, what about the wrist? I mean, if 504 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:50,720 we're gonna stay with the left arm here, and I 505 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,880 really love digging into this. Well, you know, we've talked 506 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,079 about the arm. We've talked about the upper arm. Now 507 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,319 let's talk about the wrist and the wrist cock on 508 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,039 the forward arm for a right handed golf will be 509 00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:06,920 your left arm. So I have a tendency to bend 510 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000 my wrist back, and I'm trying desperately these days to 511 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,640 not do that, to try to keep it you know, 512 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,079 like you know, I look at Dennis John, you know, 513 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,119 DJ doing it, and it's like he's almost tapping, scratching 514 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,359 his back the way he's got his wrist turned. 515 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:27,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's one hundred percent dependent on what your 516 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,319 grip is at address and what the clubhead's doing going back. 517 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,200 So if you have a strong sort of have to 518 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,799 look at your grip to see if that's the right 519 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,839 potential fixer if you're going down the right path. There, 520 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,160 if I have an extremely strong grip, I turn my 521 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:43,400 left hand over like a Dustin Johnson right. See well, 522 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:45,440 I'm not gonna use Hm as a example because he's 523 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,319 an outlier. I'll explain that a bit. If I have 524 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,000 an extremely strong grip, I turn my left hand over, 525 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:53,480 I'm starting with a lot of cup I call it 526 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,720 cup or angle there within the back of my left 527 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,000 hand and the bottom of my form. So if I 528 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,079 take that cup with my strong grip and then bow 529 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,039 bow my wrist angle straight or flat or bowed, well, 530 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,720 that's gonna shut the face down. And that's actually what 531 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,599 Dustin Johnson does. He has extremely cut wrist of start 532 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,599 strong grip and then he bows it shut or excuse me, 533 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,720 he gets his wrist. Well, he has wrists boat and flat, 534 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,480 and that shuts the face. So with that bowed wrist 535 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:23,039 from a cupped address position with a shut face, he 536 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,400 has a different matchup with his body coming down. It's 537 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,920 why he has to look like he's uh clearing hard 538 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:29,759 with his body and then holding on do it through 539 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:31,559 the impact of any Then he lets it go and 540 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,200 he almost has that flippy looking wrist motion well after 541 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:40,480 the ball is gone. Yeah. So and now conversely, if 542 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,359 if it's so, it's okay to completely okay to have 543 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,119 extremely strong grip, uh, which and starting with a lot 544 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,440 of cup and and still having a lot of cup 545 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,079 at the top. That's just retaining your wrist angle. If 546 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,880 I went to it, say a neutral grip, which is 547 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,799 a little bit of angle, I mean I liked, ideally 548 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,599 like to see that just staying the same at the top. 549 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,359 So at that angle at the top of my left 550 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,359 hand or back of my left hand, bottom of my 551 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,839 form is the exact same as it was out of dress. 552 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,119 And then more times than not it'll actually come down 553 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,640 bode just the natural change of direction. That's another thing too, 554 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,839 is how is how is it coming down? So people 555 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,200 get people get caught with it? What does it looks 556 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,119 like at the top, But is it coming down boat? 557 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,400 Is it coming down the same? And I definitely don't 558 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,480 want to coming down with more cup. And I've seen 559 00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:30,880 people go, uh, I'm trying to keep my left first 560 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,720 straight and they look bowed this way and then it 561 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,480 comes down that way and it comes down cup. So 562 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:39,519 obviously more to it. So, but the main is the 563 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,960 main takeaways because people people listening can can take aways. 564 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,519 It just depends on it depends on your grip and 565 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,119 defend depends what the club face is doing. Now, if 566 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,359 I have an extremely weak grip where I'm not seeing 567 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:51,559 a whole lot of knuckles on my left hand, well 568 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:54,680 that tends to be more bowed at the top. If 569 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,559 you think of a John rom John Rahm has an 570 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,559 extreme calling more calay. They both have extremely weak grips, 571 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:05,480 so not not very many knuckles on their left hand. 572 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,720 So just the forces in the golfing that that's going 573 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,279 to make the left wrist with boat so he can't. 574 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:13,680 You can't have a weak grip. And then add cup 575 00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:16,359 that face is going to be too open. So people 576 00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,640 will look at Colin more Cowis Bode wrist or John 577 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:24,440 Rahm or even Jordan's speeds and their risks. Bode risks 578 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,680 are completely different than say it Dustin Johnson, Bode wrist 579 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,519 or player X. It's all dependent on the grip and 580 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,440 on what the face is doing. But generally speaking, I mean, 581 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,799 I just like the wrist angles to be the same, 582 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,359 so I don't see why they should have to change 583 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,000 or if anything may be a bit Cup to cup 584 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,759 to boat in terms of the lead wrist. 585 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 3: Interesting and what is the right arm doing in all 586 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,680 of this at that time? 587 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I feel if if you start efficiently going 588 00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,119 back to the right shoulder being below the left and 589 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,359 you have his right arm in a bit of a 590 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,079 tucked POSI not addressed, that's what we're trying to get 591 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:04,039 back to an impact a tuck position. If you can 592 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:06,920 just picture somebody pushing, you can just picture pushing a 593 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,400 wall from a standing position, pushing a wall with your 594 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,599 right hand or up against the wall. How that gets 595 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,359 your right arm in a bent position. When I do, 596 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,359 when I get into that arm structure in that right 597 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,880 elbow position, that creates a bit of angle in my 598 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,920 bottom right wrist, hence that pushing motion with my right hand. 599 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,359 And when I get that right wrist angle and I 600 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,359 get my arm structure and I get that club head 601 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,880 going first, I'm keeping that wrist angle, that natural wrist 602 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,759 angle in my right hand throughout this one. So it's 603 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:36,079 dependent on the start, just a little bit like the grip. 604 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,640 If again, more ways to get it done. But if 605 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,960 I start very level of address with my shoulders dead 606 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,720 square and the club in the middle of me. You 607 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:47,519 can just picture that. Well, then I'm more than likely 608 00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:49,160 dependent on the grip, not going to have a lot 609 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,960 of angle on my right wrist. So if I do, 610 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,519 if I do add some risk set, well I'm going 611 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,960 to be creating a bit more angle. So you have 612 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,079 to look at the whole You have to look at 613 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,359 the whole story with what they start with, what the 614 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,759 grip is like, what the ball is doing, what the 615 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:05,519 club face is doing throughout the swing. 616 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 3: And we're talking about a full swing, We're not talking 617 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,519 about a short web shot. 618 00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:17,039 Speaker 1: Are planning good players people change in their grip on 619 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:18,880 a short game shot as well. 620 00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,839 Speaker 3: The thing I've been struggling a lot with lately, and 621 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,519 I don't know why, because there were times in my 622 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,759 playing career where I was like nailing it every time, 623 00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:36,799 is are these fifteen yard and less shots to the 624 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,200 green where I seem to be taking these great little 625 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,480 practice swings, making sure I'm nice and slow, trying to 626 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,119 hit the ball on the ground, and then I go 627 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,039 to take my swing and I'm sculling it or I'm 628 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,960 just chunking it, you know, hitting way behind the ball, 629 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,079 or I'm hitting in the middle of the ball and 630 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:01,079 it's just skirts all the way across the green. Help. Yeah, 631 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:04,000 give me some online instruction on that one, Calvin. 632 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. First, first I would say, make sure you know 633 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,880 how to use the club properly. If I'm even a 634 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,400 either a chip shot or a pitch shot, make sure 635 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,279 you understand and do your research. And there's a lot 636 00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,799 of good stuff online with this on the makeup of 637 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,160 the club. It's like carry Nikolay out on your show, 638 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,400 said the Wedges. Don't take this line from them. Wedges 639 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,160 don't come with a user manual, and they should. Uh. 640 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,799 You've got the front edge of the club and the 641 00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,480 back edge of the club, and different lives will determine 642 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,720 when you need to use a bit more of the 643 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,759 front edge. Different lives will determine when you need to 644 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,440 use a little bit more of the back edge, when 645 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,200 you need to dig a bit more, when you need 646 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,079 to play a bit more with the back edge, which 647 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,759 is what I call the bounce the back edge. So 648 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,799 make sure you get yourself in your dress position. Depending 649 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:52,759 on the dependent on the line the shot, the best 650 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,359 opportunity to execute the shot. So it starts with that. 651 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,440 If you're on a certain line, you're and you're not 652 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,440 setting up to it properly. You may you may feel 653 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,519 yippy when in fact, uh, and not being able to 654 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:06,960 pull off the shop when in the fact you're just 655 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,160 not utilizing using the club properly, So that that would 656 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,759 be the first thing I would check from it from 657 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,480 a technique standpoint, what's the lie doing? How do I 658 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,519 use this club? And Uh, don't be afraid to go 659 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,480 experiment Again, there's there's not right or wrong, there's more 660 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,720 efficient ways to do it, But don't be afraid to 661 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,480 go out and hit different chips and experiment with the 662 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,480 ball being up, experiment with the ball being back, experience 663 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,519 with experience, experiment with an open face a closed face. 664 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,279 So I would do that. And then second is if 665 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,559 people ever get a bit jittery over the ball, is 666 00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:44,640 be aware of what you're mindful of during during the motion. Uh, 667 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,720 pay attention to where your attention is, meaning what am 668 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:51,880 I simply put it? What am I holding on too 669 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,799 in my mind when I'm making that pitching motion. Is 670 00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:57,240 it bouncing around thinking don't chunk it, don't fin it, 671 00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,640 which is obviously not going to be very productive. Or 672 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,240 am I able to hold my attention on where I'm 673 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:06,599 landing the ball? Am I able to hold the image 674 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,239 of the trajectory of the pitch my case, I like 675 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,039 it a bit more internal, or I like to feel 676 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:14,079 my whole. I like to feel my arms carrying my 677 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,440 body around. So I'll walk in with that motion once 678 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,800 I decide the shot where I'm gonna swing my arms 679 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,519 back and I'm gonna let my arms collect my body 680 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,559 on the way through, and I'll use that once I 681 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,280 program that motion, I'll use that motion over the ball, 682 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,199 and I'll and I'll practice it, and I'll be mindful 683 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,280 of being able to hold that motion in my mind 684 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,480 so my body can properly do it. So I find 685 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:40,159 on people who are a bit jittery over the ball 686 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,599 or get a bit yippy. If the technique is good, 687 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,320 it's it's more of a it's more of a mindful 688 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,480 issue where it almost you need. It's kind a form 689 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:51,880 of meditation where you got to get practice. You got 690 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,559 to get good at being able to hold your attention 691 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,760 on one thing for a second two seconds. It's hard, 692 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,320 and you practice by going for a while walk. And 693 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,880 I got tested this way where i'd go somebody asked 694 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,920 me to go for a walk in my in my 695 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,599 uh out here in San Francisco, And how how far 696 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,199 can I walk feeling my feet touching the ground before 697 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,599 my mind went sideways and thought about something else. Little 698 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,400 things like that can actually improve your your chipping and pitching. 699 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,639 And how many steps I can do about two before 700 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:22,760 my mind goes elsewhere. 701 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's I could There's no way I can 702 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:25,840 go that long. 703 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's. 704 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,199 Speaker 3: Pretty steps forget it. 705 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fascinating subject. It could be. It could 706 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,000 be going out and uh, just listening to your song 707 00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,400 or paying attention to your surroundings, but just being able 708 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,599 to hold something in your mind with when there's other 709 00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,280 distractions going on, and there's other direct distractions going on 710 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,559 when you're when you're putting on a putting green, you 711 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,039 got people hovering over, you're watching you, You're nervous, you 712 00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:48,639 don't want to miss a short put or you don't 713 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:51,599 want to chunk your chunk your pitch, and you get 714 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,360 good at narrowing your focus of attention and being able 715 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:54,920 to retain it. 716 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 3: Dude, I really appreciate these insights and I hate say lessons. 717 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,119 I know this is really going to be helpful. I'm 718 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,559 going to listen to this multiple times because it's going 719 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,280 to help me out a lot. I want to make 720 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,199 a turn now and talk about in your bag, the 721 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,599 clubs in your bag, And I start with a topic 722 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,400 that I've been noticing a lot of conversation about lately. 723 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,000 I don't know if you have an opinion or not 724 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:33,199 in what your opinion would be, but mini drivers. You 725 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,000 know seeing a lot of people talk about that they 726 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,679 struggle with the driver off the tee, but they're pretty 727 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,000 good with their three wood and this could be a 728 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:47,000 good solution. Or is this like Jim Waldron said recently 729 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,679 to us about Yeah, that's for the better players only 730 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,599 don't worry about it, you know, if you're a mid 731 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,960 a handicapped player. Tell me your thoughts on mini driver. 732 00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I haven't been asked that one. 733 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,000 Uh well, my first get My first instinct would say 734 00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:05,960 get better hitting your driver, come in for a lesson, 735 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,960 let's figure your driver out. The game's a lot easier 736 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,480 when you're when you're closer to the hole off the 737 00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,199 tee and then and get filled. Yeah, I get yeah 738 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,719 that too. That will help or at least get you know, 739 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,320 proper clubs. I find all the clubs now are extremely 740 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,840 shut especially for higher handicap players. And I think that 741 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,239 works against you because well, most people hit the ball right, 742 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,679 so the manufacturer makes the club shut, and then it 743 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,679 works against you because you're trying to open the face up. 744 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,000 I think you end up slicing it. I think if 745 00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:33,119 you have a square face or even an open face 746 00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,880 which you which you would think would make the ball 747 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,519 go right, but then you then you learn to hook 748 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:40,199 it from there and it'll actually long term make to 749 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,679 make your swing a bit better. Yeah, the mini driver, 750 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,199 I never really thought about that one. I mean, the 751 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,760 three wood is going to be a bit straighter for 752 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,840 people just because there's there's more loft on the club. 753 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,840 So when there's more loft, the ball is going to 754 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,440 go a bit straighter. There's more spin on it, and 755 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,119 the club's an inch shorter, So generally speaking, someone's going 756 00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:57,840 to be a bit more straighter with their three wood, 757 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,719 and the driver is going to expose the miss because 758 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:01,760 or what they're their pattern in the golf swing because 759 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,519 it's a longer club and there's less loft, so it's 760 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:06,960 tough to come into the ball steep and acrossed it, 761 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:11,679 which most higher handicappers do. As opposed to coming into 762 00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:16,559 the ball around and gets quote unquote shallow. But yeah, 763 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,719 I mean it's it's a good it's a good middle 764 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,199 ground if you are struggling struggling with your driver. I 765 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,199 haven't seen one in a while, actually, I know they 766 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,519 were a popular. Taylor Made had one a few years 767 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,559 back that was showing up. I think Title has had 768 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,039 one a few years back. I think that they're a 769 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:35,719 bit smaller in the head right than than than the 770 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:36,679 normal driver. 771 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think Taylor Made, Taylor Made, I think, 772 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,239 is back out with a new version of the mini Driver, 773 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,119 and that it is, you know, a little bit bigger 774 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,119 than a three wood as far as the head size, 775 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,639 but smaller than a driver. And they're using you know, 776 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,679 twenty first century, twenty twenty four technology in club head 777 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,960 design to get you you know, and a shorter shaft 778 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,960 to really be able to launch the ball well and 779 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:20,440 hit it far. And for some it's replacing a driver 780 00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:23,519 because they can get it in the fairway more often 781 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,719 and still get good distance on it. And the shorter 782 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,800 shaft I think improves that a lot too. A lot 783 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,400 of people are playing with shorter shafts on drivers because 784 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,880 you know, the longer the longer the shaft, the less 785 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,599 control you have. 786 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, how expensive are they? Have you seen? Are 787 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,320 they priced at a driver or three? Would that? 788 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 3: I don't have an answer to that. 789 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: The sake is clubs are getting more and more expensive. 790 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,440 I mean, if you have finances for it, sure, and 791 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,000 if you're sure you're a club junkie, might as well 792 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000 pick one up and explore it. 793 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:54,119 Speaker 2: That. 794 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm all about that. If you can't afford what, I'd 795 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,360 say either a get better with your driver, be add 796 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,960 more loft your driver, or if you pick up a 797 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,800 three wood with with wes loft, get kid get a 798 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,880 strong threewood like that Taylor made the Tailor made rocket 799 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,000 balls that came out years ago. That that white That 800 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,760 thing's still awesome. That the white the Taylor made White 801 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,679 Series one. Whereas you have the rocketballs with the white 802 00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:20,239 head like Nicholson was using it years back off the tee. 803 00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,559 It was like one of the strongest three woods I 804 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,320 think ever made. People were replacing that for their driver 805 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,119 years back. It had had it been like seven eight 806 00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:29,360 years ago, maybe more than that. 807 00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 3: All Right, So here's a different question, yep, that you 808 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,880 made me think of while you were saying that someone 809 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,480 your spouse saying, Hey, I'm going to buy you a present. 810 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,960 What club do you want? Or Okay, I have a 811 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,559 budget for an expensive golf club. Right where would where 812 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,960 would you go with that? Would you? You know, because 813 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,320 people are like they'll spend four hundred dollars on a 814 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,239 driver for four fifty five hundred dollars on a driver 815 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,679 that they hit maybe ten times in a round, and 816 00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:58,920 they'll like, yeah, I don't know if I can spend 817 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,320 that much money on a potter. It's like, dude, you 818 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,360 you know, minimum thirty six times on your scorecard is 819 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,679 your putter. You're going to use it? You know, Like 820 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,400 as I think titleist says, the only the only piece 821 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,280 of equipment that is on every shot is the ball. Okay, 822 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,559 so after the ball, you know, where would you if 823 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,280 you had money to and let's use the word invest 824 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,079 on a golf club, where would you go with that? 825 00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:29,000 Would you advise someone to say, yeah, do it the putter? 826 00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: I would go putter. Yeah, I would go plutter, just 827 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,719 because especially summertime, this time of year. I mean, first, 828 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,960 I still love to play. I like to work on 829 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000 my own game, and nothing beats going out at the 830 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,440 end of the day to Peacock Gap or where we're 831 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,039 at or your local course and being able to putt 832 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,519 for thirty minutes forty five minutes in the evening. If 833 00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:51,360 you don't have time to hit balls or not physically 834 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,800 feeling up to hitting balls, you can still get a 835 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,119 good thirty minute twenty thirty minute good practice session in 836 00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,800 of putting, even at home putting in winter time. I 837 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,480 think it's important to have a putter that you're gonna 838 00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:05,239 look down to them, which is that you're gonna like, 839 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,719 you're gonna feel comfortable with. And I think it's fun 840 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,039 to go down the rabbit hole of getting fit for 841 00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:11,480 a putter. 842 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 4: What what. 843 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: Kind of lines do you like? Do you like a line? 844 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:17,840 Do you like no line? Do you like three lines? 845 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,840 Do you like a two ball? Just always exploring with putters, 846 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,559 and it gets you out and experiment with different ones, 847 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:27,679 and I make more putts with this or that feels 848 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,000 good or I can't aim this one. I have a 849 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:32,239 putter with no lines. I have the old tailor made 850 00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:34,920 now old one. It's a bit old now the tailor 851 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,320 made spire and the all blackwood, no lines because I 852 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,039 just don't like seeing the line down it makes my 853 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:43,639 stroke feel too straight back and straight through. And yeah, 854 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,920 so i'd say putter. Everybody's using that lab putter. Now, 855 00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:48,679 that's that's an investment. You have one? Yeah, I think 856 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,159 that's like seventeen hundred bucks. But it's really cool. I mean, 857 00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:56,320 it feels amazing. I have. Yeah, I haven't been able 858 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,519 to pull the trigger on it yet, but I understand 859 00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,800 why people are buying them. It's I love it and 860 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,639 it's so cool Tooa's on their website. You can you 861 00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,159 can design your design your putter. You can pick your 862 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,960 lines on it. Uh. I don't know how if there's 863 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,199 how much merit there is to the whole upgraded shaft 864 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,360 and all that. I have to do some research. But yeah, 865 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,599 I mean and putters too. They age. You can have 866 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,679 that thing for ten years and don't like it down 867 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,440 the road, sell it and you see still still see 868 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,119 Scotty Cameron's going for crazy money that came out ten 869 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:28,639 years ago. 870 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 3: Right, So are you a blade or a mallet guy? 871 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: I go back and forth. 872 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 3: Do you really how many putters do you have? 873 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:39,599 Speaker 1: And actually, to be honest, not that many. I always 874 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:41,880 end up lending them to friends. I probably have a 875 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,960 lot of my friends and my students have them. 876 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 2: I do like. 877 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:47,679 Speaker 1: I do like some with a bit of tow hang, 878 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,320 though I don't like the face balance makes my stroke 879 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,480 feel too straight back, straight through, so I definitely even 880 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,400 if it's a mallet, I do like my Spider's got 881 00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:56,480 a slight toe hang. 882 00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:00,599 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I know the audience is like, oh, Fred, 883 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,800 don't don't. Don't do it, Fred, don't do it. Because 884 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,960 I've been pretty obsessed with lab putters recently and I 885 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,079 just went up to the factory and I hung out 886 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,360 with the CEO and played golf with him and got 887 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,960 a tutorial on my putter with him. And the whole 888 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:20,400 idea of the face balance toe balance is all marketing hype. 889 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,960 I mean, you know what they have created, this invention 890 00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:28,599 of lie angle balance. Here I go, I'm sorry, I. 891 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: Sell a couple here, go to YouTube. I did see 892 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,719 a couple of YouTube seminar or things with that that 893 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,480 I can't remember the name. The CEO of it, and 894 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,159 he was talking about why it's the revealer. Yeah, and 895 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,599 he was talking about it. I think you have to 896 00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,440 play a ball a bit more forward in your stance too. 897 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,440 I think you have to set up do it a 898 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,679 slightly different way, which I don't think most people know 899 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,719 that ball camp in the middle of your stands with 900 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,400 that putter, because I think the shouts in a different 901 00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:53,480 different position in the head and the weight of it. 902 00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:57,440 So I mean what they're saying makes sense, right. 903 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and what they've designed you, it's amazing that you 904 00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:05,159 look at the head of that thing. And well, plus 905 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,480 a lot of people don't like center shafting, which I 906 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:14,239 always have. And yeah, the idea of untorque yourself is 907 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,239 like you know, which is there's no torque that you 908 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,599 have in a normal golf swing that you've got to 909 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,960 to try to make sure that you're online to make 910 00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,000 sure you know, because if you hit it off the 911 00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:28,000 toe or the heel on a normal putter, you're not 912 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,000 going to get the same reaction as you would if 913 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:32,119 you hit it square in the sweet spot. But on 914 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,440 the lab putters, it doesn't matter where you hit it 915 00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:36,840 on the face. It's going to go on the line 916 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,800 that you're you're pointing at, which makes a huge difference. 917 00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:46,840 So I didn't really there like Fred stop it already. 918 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I've put it with to them in 919 00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:52,199 both you amazing. 920 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, and they is the size of the head. 921 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,639 It looks so big, you think it's so much heavier, 922 00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,000 but once you get the stroke going, it just it's effortless. 923 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,199 You don't feel the weight at all and you just 924 00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:03,559 feel great contact. 925 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,280 Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, okay, I did it. I did. 926 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,199 Speaker 3: I was trying not to. But when you talk you 927 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,079 brought it up you. 928 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: I did know they're nice butter so that that would 929 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,400 be one investment that that would be worth it if 930 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,840 you if you like to feel for it for sure. 931 00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:23,159 You can always resellers. Yeah. 932 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,679 Speaker 3: Oh and there's a market now you can do it. 933 00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:28,639 But it's so easy to get fitted for it, but 934 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,920 they're now starting to go retailing you all right, Well, 935 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,239 everybody the Kelvin Kelly Golf podcast. I'm going to promote 936 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,400 that for you and check it out. Have you know 937 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,639 instructor talking to instructors and hear what they have to 938 00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:46,119 say as opposed to golfers talking to instructors, And where 939 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,239 else can we find you online? I know you don't 940 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,159 want to promote them. 941 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: No, it's fine. I mean I do write articles for 942 00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:56,039 golf and golf dot com, case Sam Old School online, 943 00:46:56,159 --> 00:47:00,400 just not uh anyways, Kelly goolf dot Com k e 944 00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:03,280 l L e y Golf dot com is my website 945 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:09,280 and I am on Twitter k Kelly Underscore Golf or 946 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,880 at Capito. K Kelly Underscore Golf is my Twitter. I 947 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,000 do have an Instagram, but not much on their pictures 948 00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:18,840 of my dog, well maybe maybe a little bit last night. 949 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,039 She's got her own Instagram, So not much on there 950 00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:24,079 but Twitter and my website. 951 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 3: You'll see some stuff and just make sure it's k 952 00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:31,840 E l l e y Y Yeah, yeah e y Golf. Well, dude, 953 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,960 it was great talking to you again. Loved sharing this 954 00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,320 information and love your feedback and your insights. Thanks so 955 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,639 much for coming back on the show. 956 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me on Fred Cool Discussion. 957 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 3: So there's this hilarious video going around on Instagram that 958 00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:51,079 you may have already seen since it has more than 959 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,960 a million views in the first week since being released. 960 00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:56,760 Not sure who created it, but it works well for 961 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,000 Audio two, so I needed to share it with you. 962 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,920 Let me say, at the scene, there are two women, 963 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,800 probably in their late thirties, sitting alone in a nice 964 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,679 restaurant next to large windows overlooking beautiful outdoor views. Could 965 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,960 even be a country club. The bill has just arrived 966 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,719 and the women on the left begins. 967 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:17,679 Speaker 2: It's on me. 968 00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 3: What is going on? You're picking up brunch? You have 969 00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,760 a new designer bag? Did you win the lottery or something. 970 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 2: I've been making a ton of cash talking to men 971 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,559 on Onlyfan. 972 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,519 Speaker 4: You're getting naked on the internet for money, not only. 973 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,599 Speaker 2: Fans, Only fan? 974 00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:33,559 Speaker 1: What is that? 975 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 2: It's a phone line where men can call in to 976 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:37,559 talk to someone about their golf game. 977 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 3: Why would they pay for that? 978 00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 2: When a man finishes playing around of golf, all he 979 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,519 wants is to talk to his wife or his girlfriend 980 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:47,760 about it, but they don't care. That's where I come in. 981 00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:52,440 They pay me to listen. I'm literally their only fan. 982 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 3: What do they say? 983 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 2: What a score was, what a score should have been? 984 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,440 How he should have warmed it longer? 985 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,079 Speaker 1: On the range? 986 00:48:58,519 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 2: A cart girl that he thinks is in a hit. 987 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,880 Oh it's Oliver. He's one of my regulars. He says 988 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,599 he's an eight handicap and in reality he's probably a fifteen. 989 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,079 Speaker 1: This will week quick, Hey Allie, pre birds in a row. 990 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,159 Speaker 2: Wow, that must be a new record for you. 991 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 1: Oh my hot dog there. 992 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 2: Oh you're only at the turn. We'll call me when 993 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:18,119 you're done. 994 00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 4: I love you. 995 00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 2: That's it simple as that. I mean, most of the 996 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,400 time you just have to say uh huh. But if 997 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,199 you get stuck, onlyfan gives you cheat sheet. 998 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,639 Speaker 3: Nice bounce back, that's gonna happen out there. 999 00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:35,639 Speaker 4: A bad day of golf is better than a good 1000 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:36,599 day at work. 1001 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 2: Oh looks like a newbie. I don't want it. There's 1002 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,679 nothing to entrust me. 1003 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:45,519 Speaker 3: Hello. 1004 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,559 Speaker 4: Hey, So I was playing the round of my life today. 1005 00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:52,320 I was plus two through seven, and then I hit 1006 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,159 a sprinkler head on eight, and then my ball went 1007 00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,079 into the lake. And then there's the wheels fell off, 1008 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,599 bad break, I know, right, I mean, and then my 1009 00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,159 five arm somehow wasn't in my bag. You know, that's 1010 00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:07,039 my favorite club. Slow golfers are the worst, Oh the worst. 1011 00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:09,559 Speaker 1: Out of rhythm. This is so easy. 1012 00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 2: Wait until August when fan fantasy comes around. It's this, 1013 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,679 but for fantasy football a lot of injury report talk. 1014 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 3: Even Tiger couldn't have pulled that off. Love it so 1015 00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:26,239 I shared this on our family tech thread this past 1016 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,639 week and got a great reaction from both my sons 1017 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,760 and their wives. The next day, my wife loved it 1018 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,320 too well. The next day, after my round of golf, 1019 00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:38,159 I called my wife to say I'm on my way home, 1020 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,079 and she asked me how my day was. I started 1021 00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,159 telling her how I had three birdies on the front nine, 1022 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:48,199 when she interrupted and dryly said you should call that number. 1023 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,199 You couldn't find anything about onlyfan on Google. 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But after last week's episode, 1034 00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,440 I've already received more requests from new ambassadors to receive 1035 00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,599 a glove and glove storage compartment from Red Rooster Golf. 1036 00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:42,519 You may want to do that too. When you sign 1037 00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:44,599 up to be a Golf Smarter Ambassador, you get a 1038 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,880 choice of three free gifts including Tony Manzoni's video, a 1039 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,559 box of indestructible teas from Flightpath Golf, or the glove 1040 00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:56,840 and Glove storage compartment from Red Rooster Golf. All you 1041 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,159 need to do is introduce a future episode. Just write 1042 00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:03,880 to golf Smarter Podcast at gmail dot com. 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