Speaker 1: What if everything you thought you knew about success was wrong.
My guest today, Emily Tish Sussman, had a fast paced,
high profile political career until she walked away to raise
three kids in four years. But instead of losing momentum,
she gained something even more valuable clarity. Today, she's going
to share how to pivot without fear, redefine success on
your own terms, and build a life that actually works
for you. Emily, Welcome the Superhuman selling. I am so
excited to dive in with you today. And like we
were talking about in the pre chat, I mean raising
three kids, like three kids under four, we're about to
do three kids under five. And when I read your story,
I thought, Okay, this is a breath of fresh air.
If this woman can do it, there's hope. I think
we can do it too. Welcome to the show. We
are so excited to have you. I'm so excited to
have you and to dive in.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Atlas and good luck.
Speaker 1: It's crazy spoken like a woman who knows right.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I know that you have an incredible career. You've had
an incredible career, and I'll let you share. Obviously, more
of your background and your story today. But I know
that you're the executive producer of highly highly popular show
is She Pivots, which is an award winning show as
well Right Davy and Shorty award winning series which is phenomenal.
You had a very high level political profession, Right and
Turn success and fulfillment advocate, And really, what I understand
and you I'm excited to dive in, is that your
mission is helping others redefine success and create it on
their own terms. So I'd love to hear just even
before we dive into your journey. Uh, what did success
used to mean for you? And what was the moment
when you realized that you needed to redefine it?
Speaker 2: Great question.
Speaker 3: So I had a pretty standard understanding of success. Like
it was titles, it was compensation, It was where my
office was. As now in my life that feels ridiculous,
but you know, like if you had an interior window
or an exterior window, like that was like all the talk,
you know, like that was a pretty big It was headcount.
Speaker 2: You know, how many staff did I had under me?
What meetings was I in?
Speaker 3: And I cared about those things a lot, and I
hustled really hard to have to have to be accomplished
in that field, and I found it. That's what part
of why what made it really difficult for me to
walk away is that I had a very professional version
of success.
Speaker 2: I remember, it's going way back, but this really sticks
with me.
Speaker 3: Nicole Wallace, who's now an MSNBC anchor, was the press
secretary in George Bush's White House and she left after
about a year, and she said she was leaving for
personal reasons. And it was just when I was in
college and coming into my career, and I remember thinking
to myself, who would walk away from that job?
Speaker 2: That's an amazing job? Like who would ever leave being.
Speaker 3: The White House press secretary? Like You've made it? And
that really stuck with me, like I would never have
made a professional decision for a personal reason. All I
knew was hustle and accomplish and I was able to
do it. So my job was as a political strategist
on federal strategy in DC. My training is as a lawyer,
and I was able to work on some of the
landmark legislation of the Obama administration. I was one of
the lead lobbyists on the repeal of donas don't tell.
I worked on defending the Affordable Care Act. I worked
on DACA, and it would real people benefited from legislation
like so there was no sense that I should be
putting anything above that. Right like that was paramount to
be to have to have impact, like real impact, but
also for myself, for my own sense of self worth
that I knew that I accomplished these things. I ran
the only campaign that defeated the NRA in two decades
and I basically just outworked them, and I had a
lot of self esteem attached to that. I did have
self confidence around that. I think one of the driving
factors for me was that I came from a family
in New York that was well known that weren't associated
with me with my family, and so I had sort
of an empty sense of self worth on my own
because people didn't necessarily know things about me or want
to get to know me.
Speaker 2: They only associated me with my family.
Speaker 3: So I left New York, went to Washington and went
out to make a name for myself, and I always
took the hardest job because I wanted to make sure
that I was accomplishing it on my own, and I
was really getting it on my own. Part of that
is that I be came an on air commentators on
cable news. Sometimes I was on Fox every day. And
part of what drove me was that I knew that
nobody could say I didn't earn that, Like you saw
me on live TV beating up the people on the
other side, you know, like there was you couldn't say
I didn't earn it. And so I really had my
identity and my self worth attached to my professional accomplishments.
I got pregnant a month after I got married. I
was not ready. I did not always want to be
a parent at all. Like I really did not like kids.
I did not like babies. I didn't see any value
to having them, like I just wanted to be accomplished.
And everyone I knew had, including my own family members,
had taken about a year to get pregnant after they
had gone off birth control. So I was like, oh, well,
I'll give myself a year.
Speaker 2: To think about it.
Speaker 3: And I got pregnant immediately and was very depressed and
was pushing through my job and was pushing myself physically.
Speaker 2: Even when I had the baby, I didn't feel a
connection to the baby.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is supposed to be that
moment where I'm like, oh, everything kicks in and now
I feel connected to you, and I didn't. I just
resented him. And apparently I'm the most fertile person on
earth because when he was eight months old, I got
pregnant again, and I thought this could not be happening
to me.
Speaker 2: So I had two kids in eighteen months.
Speaker 3: That was the beginning of the Trump administration, which also
meant that my job changed pace very quickly because the
pace of the.
Speaker 2: Administration picked up. So at the end of that.
Speaker 3: Second maternity leave, when I was staring down going back
and leading my team and leading my team in.
Speaker 2: Rapid response because it's part of what we did.
Speaker 3: What that meant was that as the Trump administration would
come out with new policies, my team would figure out
how do we respond and organize the policy experts to
come up with a substantive response because that was a
point in which we thought policy mattered. But I couldn't
keep up at the pace, and at the time I
thought that I have to leave because I can't handle it,
because I can't think about taking care of these two
babies and also running my team in retrospect now I
look back, and I also realized that I was embarrassed
that most of the people that I worked with knew
me when I had no kids, and they knew me
as a total hustler who would do anything and have
no boundaries. And I didn't know how to manage the boundaries.
And so I was too embarrassed to be working with
people that knew this different version of me when I
couldn't even figure out this new version of me.
Speaker 2: So I left that job, started doing some.
Speaker 3: Consulting, and then I had a third kid in three years,
thought that that was going into the twenty twenty presidential primary.
I was consulting on one of the presidential and one
of the presidential candidate candidates going into the Iowacuccus, and
I thought that I would be ready for the primary,
and I thought, Okay, I'm going to be this girl
boss and you know, trying to figure out a way
to consult onto the presidential and then three weeks after
I had the baby, we went into a global lockdown.
So I was at home with a two year old,
three year old, and three week old, basically none of
whom I felt connected to, all of whom I was
resentful for the only thing that made me feel like
me was working, and that work was unavailable, and I
lost myself, Like I totally lost my identity. I had
no sense of self worth. I didn't know who I was.
All I could do was keep these kids alive barely.
And also it was predicated on the fact that I
would have child care and that evaporated too, And so
it really cut me down to something that I didn't
think I was good at, something I didn't know how
to access, but I had no other choices. So, actually,
you know, when you introduced me and you said that
I left my career to take care of three kids,
was not willingly like it was. I really feel that
I part of what the identity loss for me was
that I was so angry about it because nothing about
the kids gave me any pride or happiness. I didn't
think I was good at it. I didn't feel connected
to it. That I was good at was working. I
wanted to be working and I couldn't. I'm just really
angry for a long time. And then once my kids
each hit like two, I started being feeling more connected
and feeling interested. And now my kids now are eight
seven and six, and I, although that was incredibly difficult time,
I do feel like I built my relationship with each
of them individually, like I didn't follow anybody else's path
of how to be a parent. And so now I
have very individual relationships with each of my kids, and
I truly enjoy spending time with them, and I'm much
less resentful because I have found a way to pivot
and build a media company out of this and build
an investment portfolio. And I'm sure we'll talk more about
all of those things, but now I define success by
the fact that I can be present with each kid,
I can spend meaningful time with them, and I can
do work that feels meaningful to me at the same time.
But you know, I don't have a title. I don't
have like compensation, pay scale. I have no office. We're
sitting in a close at my house right now that
I've turned into a recording studio.
Speaker 2: I spend most of the time working out of my bedroom.
Speaker 3: Like those things would have horrified the working me, like
the pre d working me. But my definition of success
is different right now because I've redefined what success means
for myself, and so I'm able to find happiness in
a different way in it.
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success feel effortless. Apply now at a lease archer dot
com slash ten k Club. I love what you shared,
and I appreciate how transparently you share because I have
this conversation often with either my clients or other girlfriends
who are entrepreneurs or who run businesses, and I think
every woman is wired differently, and I have so many girlfriends,
and we've got so many women in the community where
it's like they always knew they wanted to be a mom,
they knew that was their purpose, and so it felt
very natural and aligned for them.
Speaker 2: I love being a mom, and I.
Speaker 1: Resonate with everything that you shared because my vision, my
path for so long in my life was completely about career,
and so becoming a mom didn't feel natural, and there
were parts of it that felt exactly to your point,
where my identity, my self concept was really challenged, and
so much of my self work, just like your story,
was wrapped up in career and accomplishment and achievement. So
I'm curious for you, you know, I think a lot
of women feel trapped by the very like traditional definitions
of success. How did you It sounds like you almost
had to create a new identity along the way when
suddenly everything you thought was going to be your identity,
your career, your success mechanisms, when that was kind of
stripped away. How did you start to do that? And
what are your thoughts on why so many women do
feel trapped by the traditional definitions of success.
Speaker 3: I definitely had to create a new identity because the
thing that I was identified as, even to myself, was
literally unavailable to me, Like there was nothing for me
to draw from. So the way that I started to
think about it was that I knew that I was
The way that I was impactful was legislative change. I
had a very clear lane in which I worked, and
I started to think, well, what if I move that
a little bit, like what if I start to think
about it as culture change. I can't be the only
person who's felt this way. I can't be the only
person who's gone through it. I need advice, like I
need advice, and I want to hear not just somebody
who went through Like I don't want to hear like
mommy advice, because actually that doesn't resonate with me. I
didn't I didn't want this. I don't feel connected to it.
I need to hear something actually way worse, which is
sort of why we all watch murder docuseries, right like
I need like we all kind of need to hear
like the worst version to then feel a little bit
okay about it. And so I spent about a year
coming up with both the concept for the podcast she pivots,
thinking about what my role would be, thinking about who
I would work with, how I would position it, how
I would build a model for it, because I ended
up building a full media company behind it. I had
had a political podcast before and worked with a contractor
and it really didn't work for me, and I was
doing all the work anyway.
Speaker 2: I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Needed them to do my first show because it's so
scary to put yourself out there into the world and
be like, I am the one you should listen to,
and here is the way that I will structure.
Speaker 2: This, Like you don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't know, so you know, for that, I needed them,
but having done the show with this company, I thought,
you know what, I can build this myself. I'm going
to build all of it myself. So that did take
me about a year, and so it gave me time
to be thinking, like turning this over in my head, like,
am I okay with this new identity? Am I okay
with admitting that I have put my kids first in
some ways something that I used to totally scoff at
as like a thirty year old's lawyer, you know?
Speaker 2: Am I okay admitting that out loud?
Speaker 3: And actually the first time I was so nervous to
put it out into the world, and so I sent
an email, created an email list all my contacts, all
my political contacts, all my business contacts, and said, I'm
creating this podcast and it's going to be targeted culture change,
specifically interviewing people who have changed their professional lives for
a personal reason. I'm going to try to bridge the
personal and professional and to blow open this idea of
the personal piece and show how it's impacted the professional.
And I'm admitting that I failed as a political person
because you could never admit in politics that you're struggling
and that you fail because no I want hire you again,
and I'm admitting it, and this is basically acknowledging the
out of the game. And here it is to the world,
here is my new podcast, Pivot. And within days I
got a cease and desist order from Vox Media that
I had violated their trademark for the title Pivot that
owns New York Magazine and their fons owns Caro Swisher's Pivot.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, what a failure to launch.
I have established my new identity. I put it out
there into the.
Speaker 3: World and I botched it, and so we ended up coming.
Speaker 2: We went back and forth. It took maybe six weeks,
and we ended up coming.
Speaker 3: To an agreement that I would change my title to
She Pivots and they would not sue me for it.
And I thought, Okay, the relaunch. Here it comes. I'm
She Pivots. And probably a week or two later, a
very well known magazine editor and influencer did this whole
Instagram live about how they're creating a new column essentially
called She Pivot Interviewing, and I was like, oh my god,
I cannot get this right. And nobody wants my new identity,
least of all me, like, what I actually want to
be doing is political, but I'm trying to convince myself that.
Speaker 2: I want to be doing this.
Speaker 3: I had like variety of failures to launch as I
went through it, and so I mean that certainly gave
me some time to get comfortable with my new identity.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's so funny. I was talking with
the client about this yesterday, who was launching a new business,
and he was running into just all sorts of like
really they felt very big, unexpected obstacles. And I've learned
in my career and I'm curious if this is your
perspective too, when like when we're really onto something, a
lot of times there there can be a lot of
what I would call contrast at the beginning, Like you
launch the show, you get a I mean, of all places,
you get a ce syndesis from Fox Right and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah exactly, Vox Media owns Van Newyorks are Media.
Thank you, Thoughts Media does not care about me. I
do not infringe upon that audience in any way.
Speaker 1: Thank you for clairem Yeah. But with that too, I
think we get these moments to self define along the
way and say, okay, am I really committed to this
or not. But when we use those as moments to
self define, then we end up usually building something really
big and impactful. But I have yet to hear a
story of someone who's built something amazing where they didn't
run into some pretty big challenges along the way. I
just think it goes with the territory.
Speaker 3: Well. I think if you're doing something big, you have
to have challenges and it has to be part of
your story. And I think that has to be part
of your mindset that it's not concerning when challenges come up.
It's part of the journey, and it does help you
figure out what your true core is and what you're
actually working towards. I mean, I had a million different
versions of is it a podcast?
Speaker 2: Is it a show? Is it a conference? Is it
you know I? Is it a law?
Speaker 3: Like? I had a million different versions of it, and
it did help me decide am I really committed to this?
The first season, I did ten episodes because I thought,
I want to see if I really like this and
if I can really pull this off. And so it
was one capsule of ten episodes and that felt right,
and it felt and I learned a lot of lessons
from it, and I changed some things as I moved,
but it has to feel like all part of the
journey to get to it. I can't be too precious
about any one thing.
Speaker 2: And even the.
Speaker 3: Title of this trademark infringement that I got into is
that they wanted me to drop the word pivot. My
lawyer kept saying, well, you know, it's too too complicated,
drop the word pivot, and I was like, you know what,
it's my one non negotiable I cannot drop. You know,
my lawyer gave me like fifty terms that I could use,
and I was like, here's the problem with all fifty
none of them are pivot. And at the time, now
this feels like, you know, ages ago, like three years ago.
Now people are talking about this much more, but it
was much more of a white space that people weren't
talking about pivoting as much. It was still sort of
the edge of the Girl Boss era, like we can
do it all, and so people weren't talking about integrating
the personal and professional as much. So I quickly realized
that I was doing both creating the narrative and putting
myself in it. So, you know, every every conference that
I applied to speak at I had to say, this
is a reason that people are talking about this, and
I am the one to.
Speaker 2: Talk about it, like I had to do both at
the same time.
Speaker 3: I had gone even before I decided to create the
show part of this long processes or I guess when
I was creating and I was deciding, I felt like
I really needed an media partner to legitimize myself because
everyone knew me as news. So I went to every
talent agency everyone. I had a meeting with every single
talent agency, and I said, here's my concept, here's who
I am. I you know, love to hear it thoughts,
and every single one of them said, we don't know
what to do with you. We like you as a person,
we'd put you in our news division, but you're not
looking for a news show. You're not an influencer. So
at that point, they barely had like influencer categories.
Speaker 2: Now they do.
Speaker 3: We don't know what to do with you, so why
don't you go ahead and create the show and call
us when you're more established and you can figure out
what where you work in the agency?
Speaker 2: And nobody would work with me, And now I think
to myself, well, why.
Speaker 3: Would I work with them, because I created it myself,
so I don't actually need them anymore. And in fact,
I don't want to work with somebody who's not going
to be on this ride with me.
Speaker 1: There is a big shift that happens when we stop
seeking the external validation and we learn to validate ourselves.
And I think that's when not just women, but men.
But obviously a lot of the work I do is
with women. You do a lot of work with women too,
Like that's when we step into our true power, is
when we really Okay, maybe I don't need the traditional publisher,
I don't need the media agency. I don't need this
person or that person to validate me because my own
experience is like the world will only validate you to
the level that you validate yourself. They're just gonna mirror
back to you what you're figuring about yourself. So I
love how you said, Okay, I'm going to figure this
thing out on my own. And what a good thing
it was that you did, because you have ownership and
control over all the things.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, so absolutely, And I'll give you an example and
actually another space that just happened yesterday that when you
editing every time you go into a new space, it's
exciting and it's not a straight path, right Like, you're
gonna have to get feedback, you're gonna have to adjust
your position, and you're gonna have to be thinking about
things differently, which is part of the excitement. I mean,
that's part of what I love about, you know, building
something new, creating something new. I designed campaigns in my
professional life, so now I'm thinking about doing that in
different spaces now.
Speaker 2: So I'm taking in.
Speaker 3: We haven't talked about this, but part of my pivot
now is that we co own the women's soccer team
in New York. My sister is the president of Gotham FC,
the women's soccer team in New York. She's had her
own pivot. You can find her background on the sheep
pivots feed. It's super interesting. But so I spend a
lot of time working on marketing for our players, for
the team, just finding.
Speaker 2: Ways to add value.
Speaker 3: And I really want to get the players into this
high profile thing, not something I have space in, but
I networked around, I found a way. I got them
a meeting, and I thought, okay, well, if I'm we're
going into this meeting next week, and we better be prepared.
So in my mind I was thinking about preparing for
this meeting the way I would have prepared for a
lobby meeting, like with the senator.
Speaker 2: You know, you need to have.
Speaker 3: This preparation, you need to have paper, you need to
have a hard ask like you know, That's how I
would structure it. And I made sure that I asked
somebody that someone I knew who was connected to this thing,
but not like the person I'm making the ask of,
like can you do a background meeting with me first?
So I did a background meeting with her. I don't
know her super well. She is very harsh, and so
I kept spitballing ideas out, like this is how I
would have prepared for the meeting in my mind, how
do you feel about this? And I'd say half of
the things. She was like, that is ridiculous and offensive.
Speaker 2: Do not do that.
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, you know what, I'm so
happy that we are having this conversation now instead of
in the room with the players, like at this high
high stakes thing. And afterwards I got off the call
and I was like, you know, somebody else may have
went and cried after that meeting but I just thought, great, like,
I'm so happy that I got that feedback now. And actually,
as she kept giving the feedback to me, I started thinking, well,
she's given me really honest answers, So let me actually
think of more things that I can throw off her, Like,
make me think of more wild ideas of how we
could prepare for this meeting or what we could talk
about so that I get the reaction out of her.
Speaker 2: And I know if we should if it's a total hitter.
It sounds like most of my ideas total misses.
Speaker 3: So let's pressure test that right now in this safe space.
And I don't take it personally, It has nothing to
do with me. I'm just I'm learning about their industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think it's it's that mindset that
we have to have right to be able to pivot,
to be able to be open to say, oh my gosh,
you know, this may be the worst idea in the world,
maybe it's the best. I don't know, but I'm open
and to be able to receive that input and feedback
from people in a way that others might take as harsh.
Speaker 2: Or yeah totally.
Speaker 3: Well, actually, ess Actually, the reason I brought that up
because an answer to an earlier question you ask about
how you know women feel nervous about pivoting. And one
of the biggest pieces of advice that I can give
to people is think about what level you have conversations
you're having, and what conversations you're having with who, so
you know. I hear a lot from moms who stepped
away from their previous career and want to get back
into the workforce, maybe in the same industry, more likely
in a different one, and they feel like they have
no skills.
Speaker 2: You are wrong. You have skills. You have tons of them.
Speaker 3: You may not know the language and the calendar of
the industry you're trying to get into, and that's fine
that you can learn, but you have a ton of
transferable skills. So I'd say for all of those conversations
that you are ready to start thinking about, make sure
that you have two buckets of them. One talk to
your close friends who really know you or people you've
worked with before, and say, what are my skills and
how can what language can I give them? In a
professional setting? Am I a good project manager? Am I
detail oriented? Am I a good time manager? Am I
good outwardly facing client facing right, like things you may
not language, you may not know, to give to those
to those skills that you have. And then look at
a second bucket of people, people you may be loosely
connected to, who work in the industry you want to
go into. Say, can you teach me the language of
your industry and the calendar of your industry, so that
when you are ready to call in the favor and
meet with someone you know relatively mid to high level
in the industry you want to go into, you are
going and prepared. I'll give you another example of a
time that I really botched. That one when I launched
Cheap Pivots, I thought, God, I can only get in
coverage in political I'm dying to try to get into
lifestyle kind of press or you know, maybe tangentially fashion press.
So I launched a fashion partnership with the launch of
the show, so that I could try to get into
this fashion category and people could see me differently than
just a political talking head. So we put all this
effort into it, we launched it. We launched it the
week of New York Fashion Week. What to fashion press
not to care about during New York Fashion Week? Anything
other than New York Fashion Week, Like I did not
know the calendar of the industry that I was trying
to get into, and so that launch was just a
total waste of time basically because I hadn't done my
homework in that sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's helpful though for people to hear this, because again,
when you've been at it long enough, you have so
many things that you've done and you look back and
you're like, oh, okay, that one didn't work. But it's
again it's what did I learn and how I've again
to use your word, how am I going to pivot
moving forward? So I love this. I want to make
sure we're going to do a quick little mini game here.
I want to make sure that we have time to
do this. I think this will be fun before you
tell everyone where they can connect with you and where
they can learn more about your work and what you do.
So I'm going to give you just a couple of
quick scenarios where a famous figure decides to make decides
to make a pivot. And you've worked with a lot
of famous figures, so I think this will be fun
to get your input on this, So tell us if
you think they should go for it, or if they
should stay in their lane and why, and we'll do
about thirty seconds per scenario if you can. So. Okay, Okay,
this first one would make me very sad. But let's
say that Beyonce quits music to become a full time
business mogul. Is that a brilliant move or a huge mistake?
Speaker 3: She still has too much music left to do. Don't
do it, girl, stick with it. There's still so much
more in you, and you create new categories every time
you enter the arena, So keep going. You can do
both staff out on the business side. Only you can
make your music.
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Let's say Taylor Swift shifts to politics and runs for office.
Is she going to be the future president? Or is
this a complete disaster waiting to happen?
Speaker 2: This is a genius move.
Speaker 3: She has a very dedicated audience and she actually connects
with them authentically, and so she could flip her audience
from music lifestyle to political do it.
Speaker 1: I love your perspective on that. I thought you were
going to say no, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Okay. Final one.
Speaker 1: Serena Williams launches a wellness empire and quits all sports.
So can she dominate in business like she did in tennis.
Speaker 3: She's actually basically already done this and she's a genius,
and so yes, she can do anything she wants to do.
She's already an incredibly savvy investor. We actually invest alongside
in some sports with her and their company. They are
incredibly savvy. So yes, dominate the new industry. Lady, I
love it.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. That was so fun and
you got it in about thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: So well, that's hard for me. It's really hard.
Speaker 3: When you said the thirty seconds at the outset, that
gave me a mindset that I have answer best.
Speaker 1: So final words of encouragement and then we will I'll
have you tell everyone where to connect with you further, Emily.
But if someone is listening to this and you would
say they're scared to pivot, right, they have that calling,
they know it's time, but they're scared to pivot. Is
what's the first thing that you would encourage them to do?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I think of pivoting as there being like a three
point triangle of things that you should do. So one
is figure out what is your north star, Like, what
is the thing you actually want? Because what I hear
is what usually people come to me and they say, Oh,
I have been in finance, but now I want to
have a knitting Etsy store. And I'm like, great, what
is it about the knitting Etsy store that you want?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Like? Is it that you want to work on your own?
Is that you want to have a flexible schedule? Is
that you want to do something with their hands?
Speaker 2: Like, figure out what.
Speaker 3: Is the thing that you are trying to get to,
and the flip side of that is what is the
thing you are trying to let go of and then
design around that and be flexible. It's going to change,
right like I didn't I didn't know if I was
going to be creating a forum, right like, be flexible
about what it might be.
Speaker 2: The second thing is going to your.
Speaker 3: Kitchen cabinet, creating that cabinet that I had talked about before.
You know the people that know your skills and then
the people that know your industry, so really use that.
And the third I would say is be realistic about
your bandwidth. Your bandwidth is the most important thing that
you have and you have to be realistic about it.
Are you a stay at home mom right now that
has time on their hands? When your kids are in
school to have meetings, that's great. Are you working ten
hours a day and you don't have that kind of energy,
then think about yourself on a longer timeline to be realistic.
Otherwise you're going to spend all the time beating yourself
up up the fact that you didn't move fast enough
considering someone else's timeline. But like, I couldn't have done
any of this when my kids were under three because
it was crazy and I had no brain bandwidth at all.
So but I spent a lot of time beating myself
up about not being faster because I felt like I
wanted to get back into the working arena.
Speaker 2: But you know, I was.
Speaker 3: Able to be okay at certain points with the fact
that it took me a little bit longer that that
was my phase of life, and now I've been able
to move into a different phase of life because my
youngest is in pre k and then school all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's permission to be where you are. To give
yourself some grace, which I think for all of us,
myself included, is something we get to work on, but
is one of like the biggest gifts that we can
give ourselves as well. So I loved this conversation. You're
so fun to talk to. I know people are gonna
want to dive into your work, into your podcast, So
if you want to take a minute and and just
share more about how our listeners can connect with you
and go deeper into what you're doing, that would be amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm working on.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Thank you again, this was so fun, and I
think your unapologetic energy and just leading by example with
what you're doing is incredibly inspiring. I mean to me
right as a fellow mom three who's also building her
business into so many of our listeners. So thank you
and I so appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: To you, my.
Speaker 1: Listener I want to remind you to trust yourself on
your path to success. Your desires are green lights, leading
you and everyone around you to a brighter future.
Speaker 2: I'll see you on the next episode. I don't know