WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:13.119 These guys are your favorites, so light share, subscribe and raid. 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:20.039 It five star shot and me on es today and 4 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:21.920 listening watching. 5 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:24.920 Always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.440 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.880 Good morning, Bobo. How are you doing, sir? 8 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:36.399 Really really really fired up today. I'm stoked you got 9 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:39.759 one of my favorite guests back. He's an amazing guy. 10 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:43.159 I just I went back and watched his documentary Big Fur, 11 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.000 and I was the last couple of since when he 12 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.600 said he'd come back on and finding all the old interviews. 13 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.880 I could find the movies on you know, YouTube and 14 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:54.880 old stuff like that, and just I was like, god, 15 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.039 I remember, I remember his loving the guy who's such 16 00:00:57.079 --> 00:00:59.880 a great guy and really cool. And then I was 17 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:01.960 look at these Liverally interviews on verc for I'm like, guy, 18 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:04.480 it's even cooler than I thought, you know. And so 19 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:08.000 it's just it's just he's he's a world renowned taxidermist, 20 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:12.799 he's a multiple time world champion taxidrmist. He's Roy Orbison 21 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:16.799 tribute artist, and he's a kind of a comedian. But uh, 22 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:18.719 he's just a good dude, and where we're stoked to 23 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:21.280 have mine. It's Ken Walker from Alberta, Canada. 24 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:22.640 Welcome back, Ken. 25 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:24.640 Hey guys, it's great to be here. 26 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.359 Oh, it's great to have you it really sincerely, is 27 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:27.599 I mean? 28 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:28.159 Is it? 29 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:30.840 A three time World Taxidermy Champion. 30 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.120 Like as far as Best in World titles, I've won 31 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.120 three of those, and then I've also won the Best 32 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:39.040 of Show. I was the first non American to win 33 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:42.640 that at the World Championships, and also an award called 34 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:46.879 Master of Masters, which is only for former World champions 35 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:50.120 and judges for example, and it's voted on by all 36 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:52.120 of the Master competitors. I've won that. I'm the only 37 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:55.079 Canadian so far that's got that. A couple of years ago, 38 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:59.120 I did win Best in Europe for the road Deer category, 39 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.799 so I'm European champion too, So that's kind of kind 40 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:04.560 of fun. So it's kind of like Pokemon, you got 41 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:05.040 to get them. 42 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:10.560 All hilarious hilarious. Well, you know last time that we 43 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:12.680 had you on the on the show, it was about 44 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:16.840 the release of Big Fur, the documentary some personal looks 45 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:19.240 into your life, as well as the building of a 46 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:22.479 life size Bigfoot model based on the Patterson Gimlin film 47 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:24.800 subject and it seemed to be a big hit. A 48 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:26.280 lot of the people I know in the big foot 49 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:29.080 world have seen this. What is your perspective on the 50 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:32.599 documentary from your side with twenty twenty you know, looking 51 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:35.199 back now with twenty twenty vision, Well, you know. 52 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.400 It was a movie that was made by Dan Wayne, 53 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.680 and you know, I, you know, I guess I can 54 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.639 say that there's things in that movie that I wish 55 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:46.080 I you know, weren't. But what can you do. You 56 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.199 can't do anything about it. Everything was true, so but 57 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:52.199 I haven't really kind of you know, got showing on 58 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:55.199 different streaming platforms and then it kind of fizzled away. 59 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:57.800 And Dan always wanted to do a follow up to 60 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:02.439 Big Fur because so much happened afterwards. I won a lottery, 61 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:06.159 I ended up well, almost died of COVID. I was 62 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:08.960 days away from death when they saved me. And then 63 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.520 I had open heart surgery. I had five blockages in 64 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:16.159 my heart. So I did that so O my goodness, 65 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.719 Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's but I got no damage 66 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.120 to my heart. I went in with symptoms. I didn't 67 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:24.800 have to have a heart attack. So and now I 68 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:27.719 travel back and forth, living here and in Norway with 69 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.319 my girlfriend Venka. She was my girlfriend in nineteen eighty 70 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:33.680 seven and we got back together. 71 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:35.879 Wow, and so did you get back together? 72 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.560 We got back together two years ago. I was crazy 73 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:41.240 about her in nineteen eighty seven, and turns out I 74 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:43.520 still was. You know, we got back together and so 75 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.759 and no, I've been quite happy with that. And she 76 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:49.759 travels back here and I travel over there. She's got 77 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.240 a couple more years before she retires out of her 78 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:56.080 government job in Norway. And so I basically when I 79 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:58.639 won the lottery, I paid everything off and gave it 80 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:00.879 to my kids. And I told him, I said, you 81 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:02.719 can hear it. Here's a million dollar farm. You can 82 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:05.360 have it. Just I need a place to sleep, I 83 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:07.240 need a place to work. I need a place to 84 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.080 come home to. And you guys can run the farm. 85 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.319 You guys, it's yours. I don't need it. Ain't no 86 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:13.879 trailer hitch on a on a hearse. 87 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.639 Yeah that's great. 88 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:18.639 You know. 89 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.279 So are you so tast having commercially? Is it all 90 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:21.759 your daughter? 91 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:26.600 I'm building forms and doing panda recreations and things like that, 92 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.560 and my daughter has I gave her the business and 93 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.680 then I work for her and she gives me an 94 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.759 allowance now and then, and I basically living as a freeman, 95 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:37.920 about as free as you can. Anyways. 96 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:39.759 Well that is fantastic. 97 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.240 Well what's left of what's left of my life is 98 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:45.639 going to be quality. That's that's the main thing. 99 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.720 Excellent, excellent, And of course a high quality life clearly 100 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:51.839 involves sasquatch and some sort of right. 101 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.360 Well, you know, I've kind of stepped back from a 102 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:58.439 lot of it. Of course I'm still kind of involved. 103 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:02.639 I'm still waiting for that one piece of evidence. Always 104 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.720 got my ear to the ground. I still go up there. 105 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:09.240 The Alberta Sasquatch guys go up to that Alberta habituation 106 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:12.800 site and they have get togethers out there, and I've 107 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.759 gone on a couple of them. And I have another 108 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.480 places that has a lot of activity that nobody really 109 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:21.439 knows about. But it's really hard to get in there, 110 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.079 close to a well, past a place we call a 111 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:27.439 little smoky. And I've found trees, you know. I found 112 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:29.920 a tree there before I knew what a sasquatch was, 113 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.720 and it had been tied down, like bent over into 114 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:36.240 a bow and tied down and I unraveled it. I 115 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.199 unraveled the way that the branches on the end of 116 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:42.399 the tree were, and I was saying, how in the 117 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:45.879 world could something tie this tree down by wrapping the 118 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.800 branches like this? It was ingenious, and all these years 119 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:53.519 later I realized that it was a sasquatch. And you know, 120 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:56.160 the other thing too about that place is I would 121 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.519 get and I mean, you have to go hours by 122 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:01.360 quad to get in. There's nobody there. Nobody goes in there. 123 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:05.360 And I used to always hear voices and I pull 124 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.560 out Google Earth. There's no way where I heard the 125 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.879 voices coming from that people can get back there. You know, 126 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:15.040 it's all marsh and beaver ponds and it's it's inaccessible, 127 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.120 but I would hear people talking. And then something took 128 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.120 a moose quarter. When one guide was in the tent. 129 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.839 It popped the rope and it was mumbling, he said, 130 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.920 And it was standing right beside the tent, and it 131 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.560 took one moose quarter. It didn't a grizzly bear. I'll 132 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:31.439 come back and take them all and then bury them. 133 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.279 But this thing took one and walked away. There was 134 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:39.839 no quarter about at least two hundred pounds you can 135 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:41.680 carry one if you're a big strong man, but you 136 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:45.000 can't carry very far. And breaking the rope forget it, 137 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.000 you know, you know, you have to weigh one thousand 138 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.279 pounds to break that rope, and the fact that it 139 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.040 took one. And then there's a little lake back in there. 140 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.079 There's no access to this lake, and twice I've tried 141 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.519 to walk over through the trees to get to the 142 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.240 edge of that lake, and both times I was turned 143 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:07.560 back by unexplainable fear. And I didn't know what it 144 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:09.279 was then, but I know what it is now. So 145 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.240 I'd like to go back in there and set up 146 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:13.399 there's seales reception in there now, so I'd like to 147 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:17.519 set up a cell phone camera in there and just 148 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:19.000 see what I find, you. 149 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.639 Know, Oh yeah, yeah, that sounds very very interesting. 150 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:24.959 Yeah, And there's lots of people going out to the 151 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.639 place they call Norday Gets actually on the Cardinal River. 152 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:32.680 That's the Alberta habituation site that got kind of outed 153 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.000 and and anybody, you know, there's a lot of people 154 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.120 going in there. There's still activity in there, but according 155 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.600 to the trapper's brother, they've most of the activity has 156 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:44.800 moved to an area that was given to the Indians 157 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:46.040 and you're not allowed to go in there. 158 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:48.160 Okay, yeah, I mean. 159 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:50.439 Retired yet. 160 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:54.759 Well, the main trapper passed away of a heart attack unfortunately. 161 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.720 Are you guys familiar with the story that Jeff Meldrum 162 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:00.160 told about his sighting. 163 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:01.920 Oh, yeah, yes I am. 164 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:04.920 He was at that berm and he was with that 165 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:10.600 a person that apparently as an animal whisperer. And then yeah, 166 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.240 they she went down there and she came back up 167 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.360 and she said that she got scared. You know, this 168 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.399 creature was not friendly, and and then this. 169 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:22.079 Is not a friendly creature in the documentary. 170 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:24.959 Well what happened? And I'm going to tell you guys something, 171 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.319 And this is kind of big. You know, I've been 172 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:29.839 sitting on this for a long time because you know, 173 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:33.279 the trapper that lived that was there, he didn't he 174 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:35.879 never wanted his trap line to turn into a zoo. 175 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.200 He ended up selling the trap line. And you know, 176 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.759 of course, we know the other guy goes in there 177 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:44.519 and sells people tours to go in there, and there's 178 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.320 always activity there. It's almost like they go in there 179 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.919 to watch people, not the other way around. But when 180 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.799 I first got in there, I didn't realize the story. 181 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:56.080 I couldn't figure out why the trapper was so scared 182 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.519 to go back there, because this guy's not scared to nothing. 183 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.480 And here's here's actually the story that I uncovered. And 184 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.679 if you guys want back up on this, Tyler Huggins 185 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.440 will corroborate this because he was with one of the 186 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:12.200 trappers and heard it firsthand when we sat down for 187 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:16.120 a talk. But what had happened was this trapper was 188 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.960 in there for about he said, there was weird things 189 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.360 going on in that trap line for about six years. 190 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:25.240 And they said that the wolves, it takes about two years, 191 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.360 and the wolves will start well kind of in an area, 192 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:30.200 will accept you, like if you take a piss on 193 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.639 a tree, they'll for the first two years, they'll walk 194 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.519 two hundred yards around it. But after you've been in 195 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.879 there a couple of years and they know you, they'll 196 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:40.919 actually come and piss fore you pissed. That's that's what 197 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.200 they do. And he said the sasquatch was kind of 198 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.480 the same. He said it was about six years, he said, 199 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:49.600 and one day he was out on the road and 200 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:51.720 he said, all of a sudden, this young one walked 201 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.759 out on the road, looked at him, just kept walking, 202 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:57.879 walked across the road and into the trees, I mean 203 00:09:58.000 --> 00:09:59.759 right in front of him. And he said, well, I'm 204 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:04.519 not telling anybody about that. And another time he was 205 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:06.480 on a trail and a female walked out with a 206 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:09.159 young one and he said that it was a small 207 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.159 one and it was walking on all fours. And then 208 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:14.799 another female walked out and they were both you know, 209 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.200 adult females, and it had a younger one that was 210 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:21.000 you know, a lot a little older, and it had 211 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.080 an injured leg and it would limp like it had 212 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.240 an old injury. And he said there was two big 213 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:27.759 females and two young ones of different age standing in 214 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:30.200 front of him. I think he said he's seen seven 215 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:34.720 clearly in that area. But he was at one of 216 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.360 his beside one of his snare sites where his wolf 217 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.960 snares are, and he heard a commotion, so he walked 218 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.039 up there and this is what led to everything I 219 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.840 found out later, and something was in one of his 220 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:52.120 wolf snares and it was going ballistic in his words, 221 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:56.279 and screeching and screaming, and it was snared around the 222 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.600 neck and around one of its arms. So he said, 223 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.279 whatever it was had to be running on fours to 224 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:04.720 get into the wolf's snare, and then he heard a 225 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.080 horrifying scream and he turned around and he said the 226 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.720 only thing that he could describe was a big, a 227 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:14.639 huge werewolf was bearing down on him and just covered 228 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.720 in hair and just angry. And so he had three 229 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:21.600 hundred winchester and he started shooting, and he said, if 230 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:23.240 he hadn't hit it on the first shot, he said, 231 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:25.320 they would have never found him. But he said he 232 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:27.879 was able to spin it, and then he kept shooting 233 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.320 until he finally killed it, and then he killed the 234 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.120 one in the snare. So he's standing there and he's 235 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:35.080 got one of these things dead on the ground in 236 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.200 front of him, and then the other one, and he 237 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.159 was like in almost a panic. And then he said 238 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.639 the screaming started and all of the other ones converged, 239 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.120 and then he said the big male stepped out, and 240 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.159 he said this thing was so hard to kill the 241 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:52.519 female that he said, I figured I was a dead man. 242 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:54.240 He said, it looked at what was going on, and 243 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.200 it stepped back behind the tree and looked at him, 244 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.559 and he had the gun up and he said it 245 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.799 he was praying it wouldn't charge him because he said 246 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:04.840 it was just so he didn't say it was big. 247 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.080 He said it was massive, and then he said it 248 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.399 ducked and ran, he said, and it moved like lightning. 249 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:13.879 He said, he'd never imagine anything that big could move 250 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.600 that fast. And so he got out of there. He 251 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:19.840 got out of dodge, but he was so worried. No, 252 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:22.919 he was on foot. And they never drive into their 253 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.279 wolf sets. Their wolf sets. They even changed their clothes 254 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.720 to go into there because they can't have any scent 255 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.519 or anything. And he said she was laying on the 256 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.200 ground and he said, he said, what was laying on 257 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.240 the ground was not an animal. He said, it was 258 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:43.159 a person, just not us, is how he described it. 259 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.240 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 260 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.600 Bogo will be right back after these messages. 261 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:58.759 He saw my model that I made, and he said 262 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.399 it was bang on, he said, except for all of 263 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.879 their faces are different. So he described this one as 264 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.919 having more of a pointed head and a pointed chin, 265 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.200 which gave it a look like a football head, like 266 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:12.600 a football, he said. And he said in it was 267 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:18.120 far more man than animal. And he said she was lactating. Oh, 268 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.000 and so he was so worried. He said this thing 269 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.960 was human enough that he didn't want anybody to find it. 270 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.960 And so he came back and he said he was 271 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.320 so terrified. He measured the tree by the way. He 272 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:33.039 told me he wasn't going to tell me how big 273 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.399 the mail was because I wouldn't believe him. And I 274 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.120 told him, I said, if you measured the track, I 275 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.480 can tell you how big. He said, the track was 276 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.960 just a quarter inch under nineteen inches long. I said, 277 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.519 your creature was ten feet tall. They measured the tree 278 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:49.279 where it stood and where it looked out, and he 279 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:51.480 said it was nine feet ten inches. With that, you 280 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.559 know that slouch the big males get, They get kind 281 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:56.960 of a slouch. They break forward from there. He said, 282 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.600 it looked like they look like they're slouching. He said 283 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.440 it was at least five feet across the shoulders, and 284 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:06.320 he said it and it was, he said, hideously ugly. 285 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.279 So he told me that that, But when he told 286 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:11.240 me the story, he didn't tell me about the rest 287 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.240 of it. I found that out later, much later. Actually, 288 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:17.799 so he was, he said that they had. He always 289 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:20.159 used to tell me that they couldn't figure out how 290 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:24.519 to open the snare locks. On the wolf snares, and 291 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:26.559 I never I couldn't figure out why he said that, 292 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.879 you know, because they used to take cayotes out of 293 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.080 his snares. I told that story before. Why how does 294 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:34.080 he know they can't They couldn't figure out how to 295 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:38.120 jimmy the snarelocks open because all the snares have a 296 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:40.200 lock on it. The harder it pulls, it tightens and 297 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:42.480 it doesn't come loose again. So they cut the circulation 298 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:46.080 off and killed quickly. So what had happened was he 299 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.600 had long snares, and they pulled the whole snare and 300 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:51.159 the drag and everything up on the young one. And 301 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:53.799 he carried the young one and the female over the 302 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:57.120 mountain and into a valley, and he tracked them down there, 303 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.600 and he said they buried them because it was winter 304 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.759 the ground was frozen. He said, they buried them under 305 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.679 a huge mound above ground, he says, and they all 306 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:10.639 left gifts around this mound, like they left rocks, sticks 307 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:14.039 and bones. And you know, gifting the dead is a 308 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.399 kind of religion. And that's why I always tell people 309 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.240 I know they gift the dead, and they always ask 310 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.279 me why. But as long as you know, but this really, 311 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:26.960 there's no there's no danger in telling the story now 312 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:31.639 because you know you can't prove it. But apparently he 313 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.720 had gone back in the summertime or later taking the 314 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:39.080 skulls out of this grave, and I was in the 315 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:42.440 the process of trying to get these when all of 316 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:45.440 that stuff blew up with the other guy going into 317 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:48.120 the area, and the trapper thought that I had taken 318 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:51.440 money for information. Never talked to me for like two 319 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:55.279 or three years, and I mean I was right on 320 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:59.399 the verge of getting a type specimen at one point, Tyler, 321 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:01.639 you might I know this story. He tried to get 322 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:06.000 Wally Hrson involved too. You know, I said, I told 323 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.120 the trapper, you know trappers, a trapper, maybe he would 324 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:11.919 sell it, give it to them, and I don't care. 325 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.080 I didn't. I don't care who gets it, as long 326 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.840 as somebody gets it, somebody who will, you know, put 327 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:21.200 it out. I've never been in this subject for money, never. 328 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.120 I've never made one flat nickel from this subject. I 329 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:27.240 make money from taxi derby. I've been accused of taking 330 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.440 money from people and stuff, but I never have and 331 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:33.480 I never really planned to. But anyways, he got so 332 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:36.960 mad because he wouldn't believe Tyler, and Tyler wouldn't you know, 333 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.440 or not Tyler, but the other guy wouldn't believe that 334 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.120 he really had these things. Then he said he was 335 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.240 going to throw them away, but apparently he had him hidden. 336 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.399 But then he passed away suddenly, and they haven't turned up. 337 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:50.799 There's people waiting in case they turn up. 338 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:52.120 But they have brother. 339 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:57.759 That's kind of who I'm dealing with. He's the guy 340 00:16:57.799 --> 00:16:59.679 that if they turn up, he'll be the first to know, 341 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:04.519 and you just nothing's come of it. You know. The 342 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:06.640 way he described them was this, He said, you can't 343 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.680 tell them from human skulls by looking at them. He said, 344 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:12.119 other than the fact that they're bigger, well, the young 345 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.119 one probably wouldn't have been, but he said that they're 346 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.880 noticeably bigger, is how he put it. 347 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:22.359 You would think there'd be some dramatic differences between them 348 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.640 because of the musculture, and then like they're chewing apparatus 349 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.880 and that like the zygomatic arches, there would have to 350 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:29.920 be some differences. 351 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:33.279 I think that it's kind of like the people who 352 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.119 look at tracks. You know, if you if you show 353 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.160 a sasquatch track to a foot doctor, he's going to 354 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:43.680 say that's not a human foot. But to the average layman, 355 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:46.119 like this is a guy that would never pick up 356 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:49.279 a human skull and look at it. You know, he 357 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:51.680 would never go get a model and compare them. And 358 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:56.039 he I know he was quite traumatized by this event, 359 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:01.720 very traumatized, and probably didn't want to look at it. 360 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:04.599 Probably just wrapped him up. And whatever he did, I 361 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:05.119 don't know. 362 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:07.839 I to go back with him to the site where 363 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:09.559 he got the skulls. I mean, I can't imagine going 364 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:11.160 back by yourself or something like that. 365 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:14.599 He refused to go back there. He refused. He even 366 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:16.720 refused when we went and dug an est out where 367 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:20.240 I got all of that those frozen scat. But I 368 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:22.119 ended up giving the rest of it to Tyler, and 369 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:23.799 Tyler gave it to a lab and I said, I 370 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.799 don't care what comes of it. I just I'm done 371 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.880 with this. You know, I no one's gonna believe unless 372 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.279 I drag a dead one into the Walmart shop, you know, 373 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.240 parking lot and chain it to a chain it to 374 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:38.119 a light standard, no one's going to believe it. 375 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:40.640 You know. Well, if you know the location where a 376 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:42.880 lot of this stuff happened, there's actually still hope of 377 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:45.160 getting some useful information out of it. 378 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.599 Half a mile. This happened only half a mile from 379 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:50.000 Jeff's sighting. 380 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:52.319 Well, if you know the exact location where the thing 381 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.640 was lying and bleeding and whatnot. One of the people 382 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:59.200 involved in that North Carolina State University study, this guy's 383 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:02.200 interested in sasquatch thing, and Darby has him as one 384 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:05.319 of the many mini academics that is involved in this. 385 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:09.519 This particular gentleman's area of focus is getting DNA from 386 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:13.880 mass graves of African Americans from pre slavery days for 387 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:17.559 two hundred years old. And so he's taking soil and 388 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.680 getting DNA out of it, and people, the other scientists 389 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:22.839 were saying that's impossible, you can't be doing that, but 390 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:26.000 sure enough he is actually and he's really been a 391 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.480 leader in that kind of research. So there might be 392 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.319 some hope if you can get soil samples. 393 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:32.680 Well, I believe that. And the reason I believe that 394 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:35.720 is because they can take samples from a lake and 395 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:37.400 tell you what kind of fish are in there. 396 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:40.000 Right, that's DNA. That's exactly what he's doing. 397 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:44.119 Yeah, yeah, but I have tracked down a couple of 398 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:47.759 mounds the trapper found a mound that looks like a 399 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.680 burial mound deep in his trap line, and so we've 400 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.680 been talking about going in there and exuming it. He 401 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:59.319