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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Bobo. How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 4: Really really really fired up today. I'm stoked you got
Speaker 4: one of my favorite guests back. He's an amazing guy.
Speaker 4: I just I went back and watched his documentary Big Fur,
Speaker 4: and I was the last couple of since when he
Speaker 4: said he'd come back on and finding all the old interviews.
Speaker 4: I could find the movies on you know, YouTube and
Speaker 4: old stuff like that, and just I was like, god,
Speaker 4: I remember, I remember his loving the guy who's such
Speaker 4: a great guy and really cool. And then I was
Speaker 4: look at these Liverally interviews on verc for I'm like, guy,
Speaker 4: it's even cooler than I thought, you know. And so
Speaker 4: it's just it's just he's he's a world renowned taxidermist,
Speaker 4: he's a multiple time world champion taxidrmist. He's Roy Orbison
Speaker 4: tribute artist, and he's a kind of a comedian. But uh,
Speaker 4: he's just a good dude, and where we're stoked to
Speaker 4: have mine. It's Ken Walker from Alberta, Canada.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Ken.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's great to be here.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's great to have you it really sincerely, is
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: A three time World Taxidermy Champion.
Speaker 1: Like as far as Best in World titles, I've won
Speaker 1: three of those, and then I've also won the Best
Speaker 1: of Show. I was the first non American to win
Speaker 1: that at the World Championships, and also an award called
Speaker 1: Master of Masters, which is only for former World champions
Speaker 1: and judges for example, and it's voted on by all
Speaker 1: of the Master competitors. I've won that. I'm the only
Speaker 1: Canadian so far that's got that. A couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I did win Best in Europe for the road Deer category,
Speaker 1: so I'm European champion too, So that's kind of kind
Speaker 1: of fun. So it's kind of like Pokemon, you got
Speaker 1: to get them.
Speaker 2: All hilarious hilarious. Well, you know last time that we
Speaker 2: had you on the on the show, it was about
Speaker 2: the release of Big Fur, the documentary some personal looks
Speaker 2: into your life, as well as the building of a
Speaker 2: life size Bigfoot model based on the Patterson Gimlin film
Speaker 2: subject and it seemed to be a big hit. A
Speaker 2: lot of the people I know in the big foot
Speaker 2: world have seen this. What is your perspective on the
Speaker 2: documentary from your side with twenty twenty you know, looking
Speaker 2: back now with twenty twenty vision, Well, you know.
Speaker 1: It was a movie that was made by Dan Wayne,
Speaker 1: and you know, I, you know, I guess I can
Speaker 1: say that there's things in that movie that I wish
Speaker 1: I you know, weren't. But what can you do. You
Speaker 1: can't do anything about it. Everything was true, so but
Speaker 1: I haven't really kind of you know, got showing on
Speaker 1: different streaming platforms and then it kind of fizzled away.
Speaker 1: And Dan always wanted to do a follow up to
Speaker 1: Big Fur because so much happened afterwards. I won a lottery,
Speaker 1: I ended up well, almost died of COVID. I was
Speaker 1: days away from death when they saved me. And then
Speaker 1: I had open heart surgery. I had five blockages in
Speaker 1: my heart. So I did that so O my goodness,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's but I got no damage
Speaker 1: to my heart. I went in with symptoms. I didn't
Speaker 1: have to have a heart attack. So and now I
Speaker 1: travel back and forth, living here and in Norway with
Speaker 1: my girlfriend Venka. She was my girlfriend in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: seven and we got back together.
Speaker 5: Wow, and so did you get back together?
Speaker 1: We got back together two years ago. I was crazy
Speaker 1: about her in nineteen eighty seven, and turns out I
Speaker 1: still was. You know, we got back together and so
Speaker 1: and no, I've been quite happy with that. And she
Speaker 1: travels back here and I travel over there. She's got
Speaker 1: a couple more years before she retires out of her
Speaker 1: government job in Norway. And so I basically when I
Speaker 1: won the lottery, I paid everything off and gave it
Speaker 1: to my kids. And I told him, I said, you
Speaker 1: can hear it. Here's a million dollar farm. You can
Speaker 1: have it. Just I need a place to sleep, I
Speaker 1: need a place to work. I need a place to
Speaker 1: come home to. And you guys can run the farm.
Speaker 1: You guys, it's yours. I don't need it. Ain't no
Speaker 1: trailer hitch on a on a hearse.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's great.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: So are you so tast having commercially? Is it all
Speaker 5: your daughter?
Speaker 1: I'm building forms and doing panda recreations and things like that,
Speaker 1: and my daughter has I gave her the business and
Speaker 1: then I work for her and she gives me an
Speaker 1: allowance now and then, and I basically living as a freeman,
Speaker 1: about as free as you can. Anyways.
Speaker 3: Well that is fantastic.
Speaker 1: Well what's left of what's left of my life is
Speaker 1: going to be quality. That's that's the main thing.
Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, And of course a high quality life clearly
Speaker 2: involves sasquatch and some sort of right.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've kind of stepped back from a
Speaker 1: lot of it. Of course I'm still kind of involved.
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for that one piece of evidence. Always
Speaker 1: got my ear to the ground. I still go up there.
Speaker 1: The Alberta Sasquatch guys go up to that Alberta habituation
Speaker 1: site and they have get togethers out there, and I've
Speaker 1: gone on a couple of them. And I have another
Speaker 1: places that has a lot of activity that nobody really
Speaker 1: knows about. But it's really hard to get in there,
Speaker 1: close to a well, past a place we call a
Speaker 1: little smoky. And I've found trees, you know. I found
Speaker 1: a tree there before I knew what a sasquatch was,
Speaker 1: and it had been tied down, like bent over into
Speaker 1: a bow and tied down and I unraveled it. I
Speaker 1: unraveled the way that the branches on the end of
Speaker 1: the tree were, and I was saying, how in the
Speaker 1: world could something tie this tree down by wrapping the
Speaker 1: branches like this? It was ingenious, and all these years
Speaker 1: later I realized that it was a sasquatch. And you know,
Speaker 1: the other thing too about that place is I would
Speaker 1: get and I mean, you have to go hours by
Speaker 1: quad to get in. There's nobody there. Nobody goes in there.
Speaker 1: And I used to always hear voices and I pull
Speaker 1: out Google Earth. There's no way where I heard the
Speaker 1: voices coming from that people can get back there. You know,
Speaker 1: it's all marsh and beaver ponds and it's it's inaccessible,
Speaker 1: but I would hear people talking. And then something took
Speaker 1: a moose quarter. When one guide was in the tent.
Speaker 1: It popped the rope and it was mumbling, he said,
Speaker 1: And it was standing right beside the tent, and it
Speaker 1: took one moose quarter. It didn't a grizzly bear. I'll
Speaker 1: come back and take them all and then bury them.
Speaker 1: But this thing took one and walked away. There was
Speaker 1: no quarter about at least two hundred pounds you can
Speaker 1: carry one if you're a big strong man, but you
Speaker 1: can't carry very far. And breaking the rope forget it,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you have to weigh one thousand
Speaker 1: pounds to break that rope, and the fact that it
Speaker 1: took one. And then there's a little lake back in there.
Speaker 1: There's no access to this lake, and twice I've tried
Speaker 1: to walk over through the trees to get to the
Speaker 1: edge of that lake, and both times I was turned
Speaker 1: back by unexplainable fear. And I didn't know what it
Speaker 1: was then, but I know what it is now. So
Speaker 1: I'd like to go back in there and set up
Speaker 1: there's seales reception in there now, so I'd like to
Speaker 1: set up a cell phone camera in there and just
Speaker 1: see what I find, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Oh yeah, yeah, that sounds very very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's lots of people going out to the
Speaker 1: place they call Norday Gets actually on the Cardinal River.
Speaker 1: That's the Alberta habituation site that got kind of outed
Speaker 1: and and anybody, you know, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: going in there. There's still activity in there, but according
Speaker 1: to the trapper's brother, they've most of the activity has
Speaker 1: moved to an area that was given to the Indians
Speaker 1: and you're not allowed to go in there.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: Retired yet.
Speaker 1: Well, the main trapper passed away of a heart attack unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Are you guys familiar with the story that Jeff Meldrum
Speaker 1: told about his sighting.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yes I am.
Speaker 1: He was at that berm and he was with that
Speaker 1: a person that apparently as an animal whisperer. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: they she went down there and she came back up
Speaker 1: and she said that she got scared. You know, this
Speaker 1: creature was not friendly, and and then this.
Speaker 5: Is not a friendly creature in the documentary.
Speaker 1: Well what happened? And I'm going to tell you guys something,
Speaker 1: And this is kind of big. You know, I've been
Speaker 1: sitting on this for a long time because you know,
Speaker 1: the trapper that lived that was there, he didn't he
Speaker 1: never wanted his trap line to turn into a zoo.
Speaker 1: He ended up selling the trap line. And you know,
Speaker 1: of course, we know the other guy goes in there
Speaker 1: and sells people tours to go in there, and there's
Speaker 1: always activity there. It's almost like they go in there
Speaker 1: to watch people, not the other way around. But when
Speaker 1: I first got in there, I didn't realize the story.
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out why the trapper was so scared
Speaker 1: to go back there, because this guy's not scared to nothing.
Speaker 1: And here's here's actually the story that I uncovered. And
Speaker 1: if you guys want back up on this, Tyler Huggins
Speaker 1: will corroborate this because he was with one of the
Speaker 1: trappers and heard it firsthand when we sat down for
Speaker 1: a talk. But what had happened was this trapper was
Speaker 1: in there for about he said, there was weird things
Speaker 1: going on in that trap line for about six years.
Speaker 1: And they said that the wolves, it takes about two years,
Speaker 1: and the wolves will start well kind of in an area,
Speaker 1: will accept you, like if you take a piss on
Speaker 1: a tree, they'll for the first two years, they'll walk
Speaker 1: two hundred yards around it. But after you've been in
Speaker 1: there a couple of years and they know you, they'll
Speaker 1: actually come and piss fore you pissed. That's that's what
Speaker 1: they do. And he said the sasquatch was kind of
Speaker 1: the same. He said it was about six years, he said,
Speaker 1: and one day he was out on the road and
Speaker 1: he said, all of a sudden, this young one walked
Speaker 1: out on the road, looked at him, just kept walking,
Speaker 1: walked across the road and into the trees, I mean
Speaker 1: right in front of him. And he said, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not telling anybody about that. And another time he was
Speaker 1: on a trail and a female walked out with a
Speaker 1: young one and he said that it was a small
Speaker 1: one and it was walking on all fours. And then
Speaker 1: another female walked out and they were both you know,
Speaker 1: adult females, and it had a younger one that was
Speaker 1: you know, a lot a little older, and it had
Speaker 1: an injured leg and it would limp like it had
Speaker 1: an old injury. And he said there was two big
Speaker 1: females and two young ones of different age standing in
Speaker 1: front of him. I think he said he's seen seven
Speaker 1: clearly in that area. But he was at one of
Speaker 1: his beside one of his snare sites where his wolf
Speaker 1: snares are, and he heard a commotion, so he walked
Speaker 1: up there and this is what led to everything I
Speaker 1: found out later, and something was in one of his
Speaker 1: wolf snares and it was going ballistic in his words,
Speaker 1: and screeching and screaming, and it was snared around the
Speaker 1: neck and around one of its arms. So he said,
Speaker 1: whatever it was had to be running on fours to
Speaker 1: get into the wolf's snare, and then he heard a
Speaker 1: horrifying scream and he turned around and he said the
Speaker 1: only thing that he could describe was a big, a
Speaker 1: huge werewolf was bearing down on him and just covered
Speaker 1: in hair and just angry. And so he had three
Speaker 1: hundred winchester and he started shooting, and he said, if
Speaker 1: he hadn't hit it on the first shot, he said,
Speaker 1: they would have never found him. But he said he
Speaker 1: was able to spin it, and then he kept shooting
Speaker 1: until he finally killed it, and then he killed the
Speaker 1: one in the snare. So he's standing there and he's
Speaker 1: got one of these things dead on the ground in
Speaker 1: front of him, and then the other one, and he
Speaker 1: was like in almost a panic. And then he said
Speaker 1: the screaming started and all of the other ones converged,
Speaker 1: and then he said the big male stepped out, and
Speaker 1: he said this thing was so hard to kill the
Speaker 1: female that he said, I figured I was a dead man.
Speaker 1: He said, it looked at what was going on, and
Speaker 1: it stepped back behind the tree and looked at him,
Speaker 1: and he had the gun up and he said it
Speaker 1: he was praying it wouldn't charge him because he said
Speaker 1: it was just so he didn't say it was big.
Speaker 1: He said it was massive, and then he said it
Speaker 1: ducked and ran, he said, and it moved like lightning.
Speaker 1: He said, he'd never imagine anything that big could move
Speaker 1: that fast. And so he got out of there. He
Speaker 1: got out of dodge, but he was so worried. No,
Speaker 1: he was on foot. And they never drive into their
Speaker 1: wolf sets. Their wolf sets. They even changed their clothes
Speaker 1: to go into there because they can't have any scent
Speaker 1: or anything. And he said she was laying on the
Speaker 1: ground and he said, he said, what was laying on
Speaker 1: the ground was not an animal. He said, it was
Speaker 1: a person, just not us, is how he described it.
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Speaker 1: He saw my model that I made, and he said
Speaker 1: it was bang on, he said, except for all of
Speaker 1: their faces are different. So he described this one as
Speaker 1: having more of a pointed head and a pointed chin,
Speaker 1: which gave it a look like a football head, like
Speaker 1: a football, he said. And he said in it was
Speaker 1: far more man than animal. And he said she was lactating. Oh,
Speaker 1: and so he was so worried. He said this thing
Speaker 1: was human enough that he didn't want anybody to find it.
Speaker 1: And so he came back and he said he was
Speaker 1: so terrified. He measured the tree by the way. He
Speaker 1: told me he wasn't going to tell me how big
Speaker 1: the mail was because I wouldn't believe him. And I
Speaker 1: told him, I said, if you measured the track, I
Speaker 1: can tell you how big. He said, the track was
Speaker 1: just a quarter inch under nineteen inches long. I said,
Speaker 1: your creature was ten feet tall. They measured the tree
Speaker 1: where it stood and where it looked out, and he
Speaker 1: said it was nine feet ten inches. With that, you
Speaker 1: know that slouch the big males get, They get kind
Speaker 1: of a slouch. They break forward from there. He said,
Speaker 1: it looked like they look like they're slouching. He said
Speaker 1: it was at least five feet across the shoulders, and
Speaker 1: he said it and it was, he said, hideously ugly.
Speaker 1: So he told me that that, But when he told
Speaker 1: me the story, he didn't tell me about the rest
Speaker 1: of it. I found that out later, much later. Actually,
Speaker 1: so he was, he said that they had. He always
Speaker 1: used to tell me that they couldn't figure out how
Speaker 1: to open the snare locks. On the wolf snares, and
Speaker 1: I never I couldn't figure out why he said that,
Speaker 1: you know, because they used to take cayotes out of
Speaker 1: his snares. I told that story before. Why how does
Speaker 1: he know they can't They couldn't figure out how to
Speaker 1: jimmy the snarelocks open because all the snares have a
Speaker 1: lock on it. The harder it pulls, it tightens and
Speaker 1: it doesn't come loose again. So they cut the circulation
Speaker 1: off and killed quickly. So what had happened was he
Speaker 1: had long snares, and they pulled the whole snare and
Speaker 1: the drag and everything up on the young one. And
Speaker 1: he carried the young one and the female over the
Speaker 1: mountain and into a valley, and he tracked them down there,
Speaker 1: and he said they buried them because it was winter
Speaker 1: the ground was frozen. He said, they buried them under
Speaker 1: a huge mound above ground, he says, and they all
Speaker 1: left gifts around this mound, like they left rocks, sticks
Speaker 1: and bones. And you know, gifting the dead is a
Speaker 1: kind of religion. And that's why I always tell people
Speaker 1: I know they gift the dead, and they always ask
Speaker 1: me why. But as long as you know, but this really,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no danger in telling the story now
Speaker 1: because you know you can't prove it. But apparently he
Speaker 1: had gone back in the summertime or later taking the
Speaker 1: skulls out of this grave, and I was in the
Speaker 1: the process of trying to get these when all of
Speaker 1: that stuff blew up with the other guy going into
Speaker 1: the area, and the trapper thought that I had taken
Speaker 1: money for information. Never talked to me for like two
Speaker 1: or three years, and I mean I was right on
Speaker 1: the verge of getting a type specimen at one point, Tyler,
Speaker 1: you might I know this story. He tried to get
Speaker 1: Wally Hrson involved too. You know, I said, I told
Speaker 1: the trapper, you know trappers, a trapper, maybe he would
Speaker 1: sell it, give it to them, and I don't care.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't care who gets it, as long
Speaker 1: as somebody gets it, somebody who will, you know, put
Speaker 1: it out. I've never been in this subject for money, never.
Speaker 1: I've never made one flat nickel from this subject. I
Speaker 1: make money from taxi derby. I've been accused of taking
Speaker 1: money from people and stuff, but I never have and
Speaker 1: I never really planned to. But anyways, he got so
Speaker 1: mad because he wouldn't believe Tyler, and Tyler wouldn't you know,
Speaker 1: or not Tyler, but the other guy wouldn't believe that
Speaker 1: he really had these things. Then he said he was
Speaker 1: going to throw them away, but apparently he had him hidden.
Speaker 1: But then he passed away suddenly, and they haven't turned up.
Speaker 1: There's people waiting in case they turn up.
Speaker 3: But they have brother.
Speaker 1: That's kind of who I'm dealing with. He's the guy
Speaker 1: that if they turn up, he'll be the first to know,
Speaker 1: and you just nothing's come of it. You know. The
Speaker 1: way he described them was this, He said, you can't
Speaker 1: tell them from human skulls by looking at them. He said,
Speaker 1: other than the fact that they're bigger, well, the young
Speaker 1: one probably wouldn't have been, but he said that they're
Speaker 1: noticeably bigger, is how he put it.
Speaker 3: You would think there'd be some dramatic differences between them
Speaker 3: because of the musculture, and then like they're chewing apparatus
Speaker 3: and that like the zygomatic arches, there would have to
Speaker 3: be some differences.
Speaker 1: I think that it's kind of like the people who
Speaker 1: look at tracks. You know, if you if you show
Speaker 1: a sasquatch track to a foot doctor, he's going to
Speaker 1: say that's not a human foot. But to the average layman,
Speaker 1: like this is a guy that would never pick up
Speaker 1: a human skull and look at it. You know, he
Speaker 1: would never go get a model and compare them. And
Speaker 1: he I know he was quite traumatized by this event,
Speaker 1: very traumatized, and probably didn't want to look at it.
Speaker 1: Probably just wrapped him up. And whatever he did, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: I to go back with him to the site where
Speaker 4: he got the skulls. I mean, I can't imagine going
Speaker 4: back by yourself or something like that.
Speaker 1: He refused to go back there. He refused. He even
Speaker 1: refused when we went and dug an est out where
Speaker 1: I got all of that those frozen scat. But I
Speaker 1: ended up giving the rest of it to Tyler, and
Speaker 1: Tyler gave it to a lab and I said, I
Speaker 1: don't care what comes of it. I just I'm done
Speaker 1: with this. You know, I no one's gonna believe unless
Speaker 1: I drag a dead one into the Walmart shop, you know,
Speaker 1: parking lot and chain it to a chain it to
Speaker 1: a light standard, no one's going to believe it.
Speaker 3: You know. Well, if you know the location where a
Speaker 3: lot of this stuff happened, there's actually still hope of
Speaker 3: getting some useful information out of it.
Speaker 1: Half a mile. This happened only half a mile from
Speaker 1: Jeff's sighting.
Speaker 2: Well, if you know the exact location where the thing
Speaker 2: was lying and bleeding and whatnot. One of the people
Speaker 2: involved in that North Carolina State University study, this guy's
Speaker 2: interested in sasquatch thing, and Darby has him as one
Speaker 2: of the many mini academics that is involved in this.
Speaker 2: This particular gentleman's area of focus is getting DNA from
Speaker 2: mass graves of African Americans from pre slavery days for
Speaker 2: two hundred years old. And so he's taking soil and
Speaker 2: getting DNA out of it, and people, the other scientists
Speaker 2: were saying that's impossible, you can't be doing that, but
Speaker 2: sure enough he is actually and he's really been a
Speaker 2: leader in that kind of research. So there might be
Speaker 2: some hope if you can get soil samples.
Speaker 1: Well, I believe that. And the reason I believe that
Speaker 1: is because they can take samples from a lake and
Speaker 1: tell you what kind of fish are in there.
Speaker 3: Right, that's DNA. That's exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I have tracked down a couple of
Speaker 1: mounds the trapper found a mound that looks like a
Speaker 1: burial mound deep in his trap line, and so we've
Speaker 1: been talking about going in there and exuming it. He
Speaker 1: always wondered what it was. According to the description, it's
Speaker 1: just like what is brother had described. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get people to do things, you know,
Speaker 1: like to make plans to do things. It's you know,
Speaker 1: they're one day they think, yeah, it's a great idea.
Speaker 1: The next day they don't. And it's very typical in
Speaker 1: the hunting community, especially where I get my you know,
Speaker 1: most of my anecdotes. The people are so resistant to
Speaker 1: the subject. Afterwards, they really don't want anything more to
Speaker 1: do with it, you know, they just you know, you're
Speaker 1: lucky enough to hear the story sort of thing.
Speaker 4: When I was on the phone, even that trapper showed
Speaker 4: up at your house, you were telling me the story
Speaker 4: when he got there, and I was like, yeah, he
Speaker 4: got mad that you were even talk to me about it. Like,
Speaker 4: these guys are pretty rough characters, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh well, they also like I, you know, I always
Speaker 1: laugh at him. You know, he's kind of a religious guy,
Speaker 1: and he's a written at the brother. He's one of
Speaker 1: my very best friends. And I always told him, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, why won't you tell people that you know
Speaker 1: about these creatures? I said, haven't you ever wanted to
Speaker 1: get off of jury duty?
Speaker 3: I wore a bigfoot shirt when I went into jury duty.
Speaker 3: They did not choose me.
Speaker 1: No, but I told them, I said, you know, I said,
Speaker 1: the greatest thing about being a Sasquatch believer is it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what crime I do. I com plead insanity.
Speaker 3: You know, he just he.
Speaker 1: Talks to he gets information and he kind of feeds
Speaker 1: it to me when he hears something. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's such a taboo subject for so many people
Speaker 1: in the hunting community. It's it's you know, I was
Speaker 1: lucky to get the information I did, but this is
Speaker 1: this is what happened, and that I can't help but
Speaker 1: think that they ran into that one. If that woman
Speaker 1: said she was scared of this creature, very likely couldn't
Speaker 1: be the same male. And you know, and it's like
Speaker 1: I was trying to tell those guys, you guys shouldn't
Speaker 1: be in here. You don't know the history of this area.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be here. You know, you're you're messing with
Speaker 1: something you don't know anything about.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, they're not as vanish fils like people. I
Speaker 4: was going like, oh, you know, if you shoot one
Speaker 4: and that, you're never getting out of alive. And it's
Speaker 4: like everyone I've talked to like they they they do
Speaker 4: get out alive, like like like for instance, just at
Speaker 4: that one, like when he left when the when the
Speaker 4: big one ran away, he didn't. It didn't come out
Speaker 4: from after that, like it didn't sneak up on them
Speaker 4: when he was trying to get out like an especially
Speaker 4: since he was on foot. I mean they could they
Speaker 4: could have they could have got him. I mean like
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I said where Barkatino filmed it, the Justin Smayhouse,
Speaker 4: Sierra Killsite. Like Justin sleeps out up there. I mean
Speaker 4: he got there by himself and sleeps without a tent
Speaker 4: and sleeps out. Yeah, and they're around, they don't do anything.
Speaker 1: Well here's a perfect example. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: them there for this event, but the only one, the
Speaker 1: only one that actually charged him was the mother of
Speaker 1: the young one that was in danger.
Speaker 4: What what come of the same color? What was the
Speaker 4: coloration on the on the individuals?
Speaker 1: He always told told me that they were always black,
Speaker 1: but he saw them like he said, whenever the fog
Speaker 1: moved in or there was a snowstorm. He said, that's
Speaker 1: when you see them. They walk in the storms. And
Speaker 1: he said that you get that fog. He said, you
Speaker 1: know you'll see them in the fog. They move in
Speaker 1: the fog, and they move in the snowstorms, is how
Speaker 1: he put it. When the first snow came, he said,
Speaker 1: you'd see tracks for about two days, and he said
Speaker 1: they all headed west into the mountains. And then he said,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't see any big tracks or any small tracks.
Speaker 1: He said until March. He said, you would. But if
Speaker 1: he had his if he had his his bait sites
Speaker 1: active before the snow came, he said, the big ones,
Speaker 1: the real big ones, would always come back and pull
Speaker 1: his coyotes out of the snares. But he said if
Speaker 1: he established his bait sites after they left, he said
Speaker 1: they wouldn't come back until the spring. The guy was
Speaker 1: a treasure trove of knowledge.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bobo will be right back.
Speaker 3: After these messages.
Speaker 4: They couldn't resist that rotten fish. Like for the Martin
Speaker 4: Pine Martin traps like those that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they called it Martin magic. And what they do
Speaker 1: is it's you can buy it. It's skunk oil mixed
Speaker 1: with rendered fish sucker fish. Suckerfish stink when they're fresh,
Speaker 1: you know. And he would render them for like two
Speaker 1: years in a big plastic bucket and then he would
Speaker 1: pour the oil out, mix it with straight skunk oil,
Speaker 1: and he would put a cube of beaver meat and
Speaker 1: put it into the Martin box. He said, nothing but
Speaker 1: a Martin will touch that, he said, except for the Sasquatches.
Speaker 1: He said they would. He said they would do anything
Speaker 1: to get that. He said they would. They would eat
Speaker 1: the bark right off the tree if he painted it
Speaker 1: on there. And they called it Martin magic. And that's
Speaker 1: he said that they could not resist it, absolutely couldn't
Speaker 1: resist it.
Speaker 5: What are the.
Speaker 4: Physical characteristics about the individual the sas quaestions? Like anything
Speaker 4: you can think of it, like, because I know he
Speaker 4: told you so much stuff, but like like as far as.
Speaker 1: Well he talked about the like he said that the
Speaker 1: female wasn't a lot bigger than him, but he was
Speaker 1: a big man, over six foot tall, and he said
Speaker 1: it was bigger than me, but not a lot bigger,
Speaker 1: which adds up to the you know, the Patterson creature
Speaker 1: being just under seven feet, that lines up exactly with
Speaker 1: the measurement that he gave me. And he said, nothing
Speaker 1: like those males, is how he put it. He said,
Speaker 1: those things are just huge, he said. But the female
Speaker 1: was big, and he said, very very heavy. Apparently he
Speaker 1: told his brother that there was no way you could
Speaker 1: roll it over. And they're a lot heavier than people realize,
Speaker 1: because like if you look at you know, most people
Speaker 1: who look at tracks, they think, oh, that's fake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well go and get yourself a piece of plywood and
Speaker 1: see how much weight you have to put on that
Speaker 1: big piece of plywood. In order to get it to
Speaker 1: sink two inches into the ground, you got to put
Speaker 1: at least a thousand pounds on it.
Speaker 5: And did you tell the plot with the shape of
Speaker 5: a foot, you mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like because it spreads out the weight, and I
Speaker 1: mean they have big feet for that reason, you know.
Speaker 1: And that was another thing that they told me. They said, look,
Speaker 1: you know, a big grizzly can be one thousand pounds,
Speaker 1: you know, with fat and everything. But he said, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the weight in those animals is muscle weight.
Speaker 1: And he said, if you ever saw the legs and
Speaker 1: arms and chest and shoulders on these creatures, he said,
Speaker 1: they are exponentially more muscled up than a grizzly bear.
Speaker 1: He said they have to weigh He said, when people
Speaker 1: think a thousand pounds, he says, I'll go on on
Speaker 1: a limb and say two thousand pounds easy. He says
Speaker 1: they're much heavier than people realize because of just the
Speaker 1: amount of muscle mass on them, is how he put it.
Speaker 5: Yes, I told.
Speaker 4: People when I saw that first, when I saw, I
Speaker 4: didn't get a great I just saw, you know, one
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty through a Gen two Ukrainian nights scoute
Speaker 4: from the nineties, so it was like the best optical piece.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I told me, like, yeah, I was like
Speaker 4: about nine and a half ten foot tall and four
Speaker 4: foot across the shoulders and like three foot deep through.
Speaker 5: The chest of the back. And I was like it
Speaker 5: just it was so masso to tell us.
Speaker 4: I said, how to we at least fifty how to
Speaker 4: wea at least fifteen hundred maybe two thousand maybe hour.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's exactly right. And that's what they said to
Speaker 1: me as well. There's an area in the mountains. It's
Speaker 1: part of that area that they gave to the Indians.
Speaker 1: And I still swear that the motocross guys were reporting
Speaker 1: sasquatch sightings in there, and I still swear that's why
Speaker 1: they closed that area to the public. But he said
Speaker 1: that every December, he said sasquatch would move into there.
Speaker 1: He said he never saw it, but it had the
Speaker 1: biggest track he's ever seen. And it's just this one area.
Speaker 1: So I know a taxidermist, a lady taxidermist from Hinton Town,
Speaker 1: west of US and she's seen a sasquatch in Jasper
Speaker 1: National Park up close and personal in a car in
Speaker 1: a snowstorm with her boyfriend when they went up to
Speaker 1: park to see if the other kids were up there,
Speaker 1: and there was a huge sasquatch right in the headlights.
Speaker 1: So she was coming out of that area in the
Speaker 1: middle of winter. They were a string of guys on
Speaker 1: quads and she was on the back of the quad
Speaker 1: with her husband, is how she put it. And she
Speaker 1: turned to the left and she looked and she said
Speaker 1: there was a sasquatch watching her. She said that was
Speaker 1: so big and it was gray, and she said as
Speaker 1: soon as she looked at it. It turned to the
Speaker 1: left and walked between walked out of the clearing between
Speaker 1: a couple of trees. So we went back there, and
Speaker 1: Dan actually filmed this, but it didn't make it into
Speaker 1: the movie. And she got me to back up behind
Speaker 1: the berm, and she said, get yourself parallel to those
Speaker 1: two trees and then stop. So I did, and it
Speaker 1: was standing behind the berm, and I was standing behind there,
Speaker 1: and all as she could see was from the bridge
Speaker 1: of my nose and my eyes on the top of
Speaker 1: my head, and it was standing in the same place
Speaker 1: it was. And I asked her, how much of the
Speaker 1: creature did you see? She said, I could see its hips,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I'm five five eleven, and I came
Speaker 1: up to its hip, you know, just below its hips,
Speaker 1: the exact same area where the trapper said that big
Speaker 1: track was the exact same time it moved into there.
Speaker 1: So I was able to corroborate those two and must
Speaker 1: have been old to be gray like that.
Speaker 5: What was that? What I mean?
Speaker 4: These guys are like, you know, they know more than
Speaker 4: your average wild a biologists by far, the old school
Speaker 4: mountain trapper guys.
Speaker 3: What did he say?
Speaker 4: What would he notice as far as when when the
Speaker 4: tracks would show, how did it affect the other animals,
Speaker 4: because I mean, he knows how all the animals were moving,
Speaker 4: Like what would change when when the sasquattions came back
Speaker 4: with like the wolves be different, the deer, the elk.
Speaker 1: There was one valley in there that no one had
Speaker 1: ever actually gotten into when they built that road that
Speaker 1: cut across from through that area. There's between two rivers
Speaker 1: and there was no access because the river canyons. And
Speaker 1: so he found a big valley, a big beautiful valley.
Speaker 1: He says that you had to really fight like hell
Speaker 1: to get in there. And he said it was full
Speaker 1: of structures and it was full of almost like a
Speaker 1: village where these things lived. And he said piles of
Speaker 1: bones where they were eating. And he said that he
Speaker 1: found a dead moose and two nests and they were
Speaker 1: consuming this moose. And he said he put up seventeen
Speaker 1: Martin boxes in that valley. And he said there was
Speaker 1: not a track of there was no martins, no wolves,
Speaker 1: no nothing. He said, these things lived in that valley
Speaker 1: and I think it was the valley. Well, they they
Speaker 1: eventually went in and clear cut the whole thing and
Speaker 1: that's what. Another thing that the trapper told me, he says,
Speaker 1: if anybody reports a sasquatchy, they come within weeks and
Speaker 1: they clear cut the area. He said, they don't give
Speaker 1: us any Normally, they'll give us a year's warning. He said,
Speaker 1: they come in and they logged day and night. They
Speaker 1: bring in private contractors and he says they logged the
Speaker 1: area out anytime there's a sighting there that Alberta habituation
Speaker 1: site is being logged as we speak. Oh God, is
Speaker 1: what it is? You know, there's there's more to this
Speaker 1: than they're letting on. One of the a guy pretty
Speaker 1: high up in fishing wildlife, you know, he knew I
Speaker 1: was interested, so he he decided to give me reports.
Speaker 1: He says, we get reports all the time, but we
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with him. He says, I'll
Speaker 1: just forward them to you. So he forwarded one and man,
Speaker 1: did he get in trouble.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 5: They're monitoring as the communications.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they they he got in trouble for it,
Speaker 1: and that was the end of it. So there was
Speaker 1: another guy that was telling me stuff. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so a different guy. They have to keep it
Speaker 1: so so quiet. You know, there's there, there's something. You know,
Speaker 1: there's something that I mean, they know, they they know
Speaker 1: that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I get reports from the local forest service and no
Speaker 2: one seems to care. So maybe it's just different in
Speaker 2: Canada for the amount of resource that you guys have,
Speaker 2: like forest resource versus what we sell.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe it's just a difference in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but there's just anecdotal evidence that you
Speaker 1: know that there was one guy here that was a
Speaker 1: biologist and he worked close with the game ranchers. His
Speaker 1: job was cleaning bones that they put into the storage
Speaker 1: at the you know, the government buildings there, and he'd
Speaker 1: get a few drinks in them and he'd start talking
Speaker 1: and he said that he said, he's not allowed to
Speaker 1: talk about it. He can get in big trouble, but
Speaker 1: there's things living in our forest, if you had any clue.
Speaker 1: And he'd go on and on. And then I talked
Speaker 1: to another one of the trappers knew him because he
Speaker 1: actually had dealings with them, and he said that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that guy, and he evoked the word sasquatch.
Speaker 1: He said the word sasquatching.
Speaker 3: Now a little while ago in our conversation, Now you
Speaker 3: brought up something that made me want to ask something.
Speaker 3: But uh, you mentioned that the trapper gentleman was saying
Speaker 3: that it takes about two years for the wolves to
Speaker 3: acclimate to one's presence and from his experience, and so
Speaker 3: it seemed to take about six years for the Sasquatches
Speaker 3: to do the same. Now that that's on the Sasquatch
Speaker 3: side of fits, give me, can you give me an
Speaker 3: idea how much time this gentleman actually spent in that
Speaker 3: area to qualified for those six years? Like it was it?
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's a once a week thing, you know,
Speaker 2: six years, you know what I mean? Like, it depends
Speaker 2: on how much he was there that that six years matters,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, when they have traps out, they have to they
Speaker 1: can't go too long without checking them because because they're
Speaker 1: you know, a wolverine will follow your trap line and
Speaker 1: destroy every piece of fur. So you know, you have
Speaker 1: kind of short seasons for the links you have. For
Speaker 1: the Martins, the wolf season is a little longer, so
Speaker 1: they're out there at least at least twice a week
Speaker 1: in the winter. And I think that once they realized
Speaker 1: what you know, they understood what he was doing and
Speaker 1: just somehow or another, he said, they acclimated. Well, this
Speaker 1: was a theory of the okay, he said a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of strange things. He said. One of
Speaker 1: the things that they used to do to him was
Speaker 1: they would walk around upwind of him and and he
Speaker 1: would get that smell and that used to really kind
Speaker 1: of freak him out. And so and to be honest,
Speaker 1: the same thing happened to me when I was in there.
Speaker 1: That was actually when I stopped going by myself in there.
Speaker 1: When that happened to me, I was way far back.
Speaker 1: It would likely wouldn't have found me if something happened
Speaker 1: to me. And suddenly I drove my quad into an
Speaker 1: intersection and that stink hit me. And I mean, and
Speaker 1: this was really I've smelt the skunky wet dog ones,
Speaker 1: but this thing was off the charts. It was like
Speaker 1: vomit and sulfur and dead rotten grass and bo It
Speaker 1: was hard to explain. It was. It was the best
Speaker 1: word I can use to explain. The odor was offensive.
Speaker 1: You know when you walk into a room when somebody's
Speaker 1: puked on the floor and you're like, oh, and you
Speaker 1: have to get out. Yeah, Yeah, it had that effect,
Speaker 1: and the hair went up on the back of my
Speaker 1: neck because the wind took the smell away. And I
Speaker 1: realized whatever did this was still watching me, and it
Speaker 1: really freaked me out. So I didn't want to go
Speaker 1: in there by myself anymore. And that's how I ended
Speaker 1: up bringing the other fellow in that ended up outing
Speaker 1: the area to the other guy, so unfortunately, But but
Speaker 1: I mean I really had you know when that happens.
Speaker 1: And that's what the trapper said, that used to happen
Speaker 1: before he realized what it was, and.
Speaker 4: He said that harassed him. What would harassment mean? Like
Speaker 4: rating is powerful? Would his traps get ready of? Like
Speaker 4: what do you think the big foots were stealing his cats?
Speaker 1: Actually, what they would do is they they would take
Speaker 1: the trap out of the Martin box still set, and
Speaker 1: they would reach in and they would take the beaver
Speaker 1: meat out with the Martin magic on it and eat it.
Speaker 1: And then he said every time they stole from one
Speaker 1: of those boxes, and they would put three small stones
Speaker 1: on the top of the box, always three small stones.
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember reading the stories about that
Speaker 1: woman who had said they used to come into her
Speaker 1: barn and get into her horse feed and you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know how badly I wanted to believe these stories.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what when she said that she
Speaker 1: always knew when they were in the horse feed because
Speaker 1: they left three rocks on the top of the that
Speaker 1: stopped me in my tracks.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: One thing about this trapper he I mean, he used
Speaker 1: to carry those phones, you know that you buy the
Speaker 1: disposable phones. Yeah, and he even had pictures that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't give them to me, but he said he snapped
Speaker 1: pictures of a big one walking across the oilies at
Speaker 1: the end of that road on the habituation, and he
Speaker 1: didn't want to give them to me. And I tried
Speaker 1: to get them, but you know, he definitely didn't know.
Speaker 1: I never did see them. No, Like I said, he
Speaker 1: was so angry at me when the other guys showed
Speaker 1: up in there and everybody started going there, and he
Speaker 1: blamed me and said I was the one who did it,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't. I finally convinced him after a few years,
Speaker 1: or his brother convinced him, because you know, it wasn't me.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't he That was the one thing
Speaker 1: I promised him, is that I wouldn't turn his trap
Speaker 1: line into his zoo. And unfortunately, that's that's what happened,
Speaker 1: and it still is. You know, you can go there
Speaker 1: on the I took my girlfriend up there on the weekend.
Speaker 1: She's not necessarily a believer. She's very much on the fence.
Speaker 1: She knows that I'm not a liar, but she finds it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: But there was a couple of people from the Alberta
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Group camp there and one of the guys talked
Speaker 1: about his sighting matter of factly, and I was fun
Speaker 1: watching her hear the story because you know, it kind
Speaker 1: of confused her, like this guy doesn't seem crazy, this guy.
Speaker 1: And I told her, I said, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: tell you what to believe. And I showed her some
Speaker 1: tree structures and some tree breaks and you know, but
Speaker 1: now there's there's always people there.
Speaker 6: I've always been like so fascinated with these stories because
Speaker 6: I really loved the long term like repeat in countercases.
Speaker 6: And obviously there's so many people that, like you mentioned,
Speaker 6: that go back, you know, once or twice a year,
Speaker 6: and they make all these grand proclamations. But given that
Speaker 6: those trappers had so many years of experiences, I wanted
Speaker 6: what other insights you glean from them that you found
Speaker 6: to be like really useful or you know, insightful or
Speaker 6: maybe unexpected beyond the ones we've touched on already. Was
Speaker 6: there anything else that you learned that you thought, oh, wow,
Speaker 6: that's really fascinating or useful.
Speaker 1: Well, that area got really well known for the tree structures,
Speaker 1: and the trappers had no clue what those were. It
Speaker 1: was only when we went in in the wintertime on
Speaker 1: this skado and I found the first tree structure, and
Speaker 1: then they got quite interested. They just figured, you know,
Speaker 1: they they didn't they I mean they weren't. They weren't
Speaker 1: versed in Bigfoot. But basically all the areas where they
Speaker 1: said that, you know, the activity was was full of
Speaker 1: these structures and high tree breaks, and so that was
Speaker 1: interesting because it wasn't the trappers knew nothing about that.
Speaker 1: You know. I found those myself and then I showed
Speaker 1: them and I explained, and then I took, you know,
Speaker 1: pictures from the Internet and kind of versed the trapper
Speaker 1: in that and said, this is where in areas of activity,
Speaker 1: this is what they're finding. And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: this corroborates everything that your brother's telling us. So that
Speaker 1: was I found that that was interesting. But to be honest,
Speaker 1: I never I these guys. I would never They're not
Speaker 1: people I would ever doubt if they told me something.
Speaker 1: It's the gospel. That's they're just the way they are,
Speaker 1: the kind of people they are. They have nothing to
Speaker 1: gain by telling me these things and everything to lose.
Speaker 5: I mean, I was just so fascinated.
Speaker 6: And you know, we'd always wondered if maybe they were
Speaker 6: preying on coyotes in different parts of the country, and
Speaker 6: it seemed like that must be the case. If they're
Speaker 6: raiding those traps and taking coyote car because is that
Speaker 6: it's probably for consumption.
Speaker 3: I would guess, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they ate them. And he told me that he
Speaker 1: had long snares, and he caught the little one on
Speaker 1: a long snare. And what happens when you catch something
Speaker 1: on it, they have like a temporary hold on the snare.
Speaker 1: It gets around the wolf's neck, scares the wolf, and
Speaker 1: the wolf bolts and he gets going, well, you know,
Speaker 1: as fast as they can run. And then he comes
Speaker 1: to the end of the long snare, and it cinches
Speaker 1: down so tight instantly that it kills the wolf within
Speaker 1: moments because it cuts off the circulation to their brain.
Speaker 1: That's why they used the long snares. And so what
Speaker 1: he said that they if he had a coyote in
Speaker 1: a long snare, he said, they would take the coyote
Speaker 1: and flip it up over a branch, pull the skin off,
Speaker 1: and drop the skin under the tree, he says, and
Speaker 1: then they would just stand there and eat it and
Speaker 1: leave the spinal column and whatever left in the snareff
Speaker 1: Apparently he did, Yeah, but he would never give me
Speaker 1: any of his pictures, and I never gave them to
Speaker 1: his brother. Either his son's my have them. But I
Speaker 1: was of the understanding that he never told his sons
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 4: Did they report getting like rocks or pebbles or plant
Speaker 4: consort out them or around them?
Speaker 1: No. I got hit years ago when I was out hunting.
Speaker 1: I got hit with a pebble in an area that
Speaker 1: I now realize has activity. And I always thought, why
Speaker 1: would a squirrel or something carry a rock up a tree.
Speaker 1: It didn't make any sense to me. Years later I
Speaker 1: realized that there was a sasquatch standing behind the closest
Speaker 1: big tree snickering at me. You know, but I remember
Speaker 1: picking up the rock and putting it in my pocket
Speaker 1: and taking it back to camp and saying, this rock
Speaker 1: hit me, you know. So, but there is quite a
Speaker 1: few stories of people having things thrown, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: So, Ken, with all this knowledge given to you by
Speaker 3: a variety of people who have interacted and seen these things,
Speaker 3: if you were intent on seeing a sasquatch, what would
Speaker 3: you do to get that job done?
Speaker 1: I bought a like a thermal the other day or
Speaker 1: a year, two years ago, top of the line, like
Speaker 1: a thermal. The thing is amazing. You can see anything
Speaker 1: within like three miles with it, and it's crystal clear,
Speaker 1: and you can record with it too. But if I
Speaker 1: wanted to see one, I would definitely I would go
Speaker 1: out to an area where people don't go very often,
Speaker 1: and I would take my thermal and I'd sit up
Speaker 1: all night and you know, maybe give a call or
Speaker 1: hit a tree and just wait for some heat of
Speaker 1: signature to come through the trees. You know, I guess
Speaker 1: that's what I would do.
Speaker 3: Maybe slather some Martin magic on you.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, or I definitely would put some of that out.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's kind of like I was riding
Speaker 1: my quad up the trail and our other researcher friend
Speaker 1: was walking there with one of his friends and walking
Speaker 1: up the road, and so I stopped and said hi
Speaker 1: to him, and he said, you know, they they can
Speaker 1: hear that thing a mile away. And I said to him,
Speaker 1: I said, do you think they don't know you're in here?
Speaker 1: I said, I said, first of all, you know, you
Speaker 1: might think you're stealthy, but you're never fool these creatures ever.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very very rare they're caught with their
Speaker 1: you know, especially in this area where they know people
Speaker 1: are looking for them. You know, I mean I I
Speaker 1: first thing I do when I get in there is
Speaker 1: I give a kind of a distinctive call, you know,
Speaker 1: that woo loop call. They call it woo loop, like
Speaker 1: a whoop kind of like yeah, like oh like that
Speaker 1: oh sure, uh huh yeah, the one from the Sierra Sounds.
Speaker 1: I do that call every time I come there, and
Speaker 1: every time straight ahead and then to the right, I
Speaker 1: hear a branch break, a tree gets hit, or there's
Speaker 1: there's some sort of a sound like they're always sitting
Speaker 1: in that spot off that, and I always go in
Speaker 1: there every time, and I do that call. And then
Speaker 1: after I went to bed, they had the recorder up
Speaker 1: and that exact same call came from the exact same
Speaker 1: place that I told you out at like three in
Speaker 1: the morning. And I mean, it sounded so much like
Speaker 1: the call I make that it they just thought it
Speaker 1: was me, But I know I was sleeping. But I mean,
Speaker 1: they're smart. They're just they're smart, and that's all there
Speaker 1: is to it. You know, you're not gonna go in
Speaker 1: there and fool them. But I think that if I
Speaker 1: went like out to this area where I was telling
Speaker 1: you about a past little smokey there, since nobody really
Speaker 1: goes in there and looks, I think I would have
Speaker 1: a good chance of having one come in and maybe
Speaker 1: getting a chance to see him in a thermal. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what I would do. But I mean in an
Speaker 1: area of high activity, especially an area where people are looking,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's going to be real hard. The
Speaker 1: trapper told me that every time he saw one, he said,
Speaker 1: it was quite obvious that they wanted him to see them.
Speaker 4: How say, how many times you actually saw them? Doesn't
Speaker 4: he like laid eyes on them?
Speaker 1: He said there's a number of times where he saw
Speaker 1: a flash. But he said he had about seven crystal
Speaker 1: clear sightings.
Speaker 3: And most of these were during the day or at night.
Speaker 1: During the day, but he said almost always when there
Speaker 1: was snowing or when the fog was on the ground.
Speaker 1: He said, there they'll step out of the fog. He said,
Speaker 1: he used to come like if you come across that
Speaker 1: berm where Jeff saw his, and then you go up
Speaker 1: to the top of that hill, it kind of straightens
Speaker 1: out and there's a long valley on the road that
Speaker 1: goes to the it goes to the lease where he
Speaker 1: took those pictures, and he said he would come over
Speaker 1: that hill and he would start coming down, he says,
Speaker 1: and just in front of that clearing that lease, he says,
Speaker 1: a sasquatch would walk out of the trees and look
Speaker 1: at him. And he said every single time it was
Speaker 1: like they just didn't want him to come down there,
Speaker 1: so they would step out in the open, and he
Speaker 1: said he would turn his quad around and go back.
Speaker 1: He said that it was funny because he talked about fear.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not scared of anything, and this guy
Speaker 1: was a monster like you. I mean and he would
Speaker 1: get into a brawl with five six guys and he'd
Speaker 1: just lay him up. He was he was a tough customer,
Speaker 1: and he was scared of nothing. But he told me,
Speaker 1: he says, I'm scared of nothing, but those things petrify me,
Speaker 1: is how he put it. That was the word petrify me,
Speaker 1: you know. And that was that was in a conversation
Speaker 1: directly with the main trapper. You know, he didn't he
Speaker 1: didn't like, he liked He kind of liked me, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course I would never give him reason
Speaker 1: not to, but it's.
Speaker 3: A wise move.
Speaker 1: Well, he was an interesting guy, you know, he was
Speaker 1: kind of he was one of those guys that he
Speaker 1: could be your best friend or your worst enemy, just
Speaker 1: depending on how you decided to treat him.
Speaker 3: I tried.
Speaker 1: I tried treated him with a great deal of respect.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of respect for him, and I
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for his brother too.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bobo will be right back after these messages. Did they
Speaker 2: seem to show a preference for any sort of food
Speaker 2: items that he either were in his traps or natural
Speaker 2: food items that were found in the area, or even
Speaker 2: stuff that they raided from his camps or something like that.
Speaker 2: Can you think of anything along those lines coyotes coyotes?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he said that he used to all the coyotes.
Speaker 1: He skinned, the ones he got from around home. He
Speaker 1: brought them out there, and he figured that as long
Speaker 1: as he was feeding them coyotes, they would leave them alone.
Speaker 1: That was his reasoning, because he was quite scared of them.
Speaker 1: And they love, he said, they love coyotes. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many you guys go through all of
Speaker 1: the reports. Whenever I see a coyote tore up or
Speaker 1: something in a you know, in an account, I just
Speaker 1: kind of smile because it just corroborates what I was
Speaker 1: already told.
Speaker 3: Years and years and years ago. I was living out
Speaker 3: outside of Chimmicum, Washington, up there by Port Angeles, and
Speaker 3: one time I saw a vulture circling around in the
Speaker 3: back of the property I was living, and I went
Speaker 3: out there and I saw I saw ace ginned coyote
Speaker 3: about twenty to twenty five feet up into the tree.
Speaker 3: Does I mean you mentioned just a little while ago
Speaker 3: about skinning coyotes on branches, and you were saying that
Speaker 3: they do something with them. But have you heard of
Speaker 3: something like that where it's like twenty twenty five feet
Speaker 3: up into a tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's probably the big guy. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he something he didn't want to eat, right then he
Speaker 1: put it up in the tree to come back and
Speaker 1: get it. I don't know, but you know what, like
Speaker 1: you hear lots of stories about things like I was
Speaker 1: on a hunting forum and they were talking about the
Speaker 1: strangest thing you'd ever seen. And these guys said that
Speaker 1: there was a pig up about five miles out of
Speaker 1: the farmland. There was a pig, a dead pig, jammed
Speaker 1: up in the tree about twenty feet and they said
Speaker 1: when somebody went on there says, oh, cougars do that. Well,
Speaker 1: cougars do not do that ever. And the other thing.
Speaker 1: The guy came back, he said, this wasn't a wiener pig.
Speaker 1: He said, this was like a four hundred pound pig,
Speaker 1: like a giant pig. And you know, I didn't comment,
Speaker 1: but I knew what it was. It's the only thing
Speaker 1: I really could have been.
Speaker 4: My contacts in Canada told me that their favorite foods
Speaker 4: were coyote and black bear cubs.
Speaker 1: Oh well, wouldn't surprise me. I mean, grizzlies and wolves
Speaker 1: love black bear too. Black bear is very good. I
Speaker 1: mean I like him too. I put him in the
Speaker 1: crock pot. Black bear is one of the best things
Speaker 1: you'll ever eat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people have talked bad about it, and I grew
Speaker 4: up here in that mountain.
Speaker 5: Lion tasted tereable. Now alone says how great it is.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no they I put him in the slow
Speaker 1: cooker and man, it's really really good. But yeah, coyotes
Speaker 1: for some reason that they seem to like them, and
Speaker 1: they like dogs too. There's lots of stories of dogs
Speaker 1: getting taken, but I haven't. I haven't got any anecdotes
Speaker 1: on the bears. But there is no black bears. There
Speaker 1: are very few black bears up in that country where
Speaker 1: I go, Like up in the mountains there, that's all
Speaker 1: grizzly bears. The grizzly bears keep the black bears eating up.
Speaker 4: Have you heard his stories about people finding like there
Speaker 4: carcasses that think like or maybe had bigfoot tracks around him.
Speaker 4: Any indication of a sasquatch preying on a bear that
Speaker 4: you've heard of.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. Just there was one time the trapper
Speaker 1: told me that in the spring he had taken two
Speaker 1: road killed mulier and put them into a bait site,
Speaker 1: and he said that the Sasquatches took them. They said
Speaker 1: there was two adults and a little one and they walked.
Speaker 1: He's got he took a lot of pictures. But the
Speaker 1: other thing he said that I found really interesting. And
Speaker 1: he had pictures of this, and like I said, wouldn't
Speaker 1: give them to me. But they sat. They took the
Speaker 1: bones from the mealdier after they ate them, and they
Speaker 1: made designs in the snow with the bones. They built
Speaker 1: little pictures and crosses and things, you know, right in
Speaker 1: the snow, right with the tracks and everything. And Matt,
Speaker 1: I wish I could have got those pictures because it
Speaker 1: would corroborate the tracks, would corroborate that they are in
Speaker 1: fact making these designs with sticks and things on the ground.
Speaker 3: And yeah, because that's missing at this point. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's lots of pictures and anecdotes about I mean the
Speaker 3: structures and then the glyphs and the signs and this
Speaker 3: and that and stuff, but there's very very little, if
Speaker 3: any corroboration between Sasquatch tracks and these anomalies that people
Speaker 3: reported me. I'd love to see more with some of that.
Speaker 1: I remember that Survivor Man episode where they first went
Speaker 1: into the Alberta habituation and they went to that one
Speaker 1: big teepee structure that was the first one the trapper
Speaker 1: and I ever found, and they put apples on there
Speaker 1: or something, and then they had a track in the
Speaker 1: moss and it had a really narrow heel. It was
Speaker 1: a smaller one that was a real track, and I've
Speaker 1: seen two tracks now. I have pictures of when they're younger.
Speaker 1: They have a narrow heel, really narrow actually, and then
Speaker 1: wide in the front. And that track that they found
Speaker 1: on that show was identical to what, you know, what
Speaker 1: we've found. I mean, they're always around there that that area,
Speaker 1: but I think but most of those tree structures are
Speaker 1: down now somebody or something came and knocked them down.
Speaker 3: They clued in that humans were onto him or something.
Speaker 1: Well that or it could have. I mean I tried
Speaker 1: to find out if the trapper did it, because you know,
Speaker 1: he was pissed at all of the activity, but he
Speaker 1: swears up and down that he didn't, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: But there was some other guys out there that you know,
Speaker 1: it just it gets to be, Oh, it's so tedious,
Speaker 1: but you know, people start thinking that it's their spot,
Speaker 1: and you know, they do stupid things. They're getting to
Speaker 1: be too many, too much attention. But I also agree
Speaker 1: because I found on one of the tree structures there
Speaker 1: was a game trail, a very solid one, and if
Speaker 1: you stood at the tree structure and looked up in
Speaker 1: the direction of the game trail, you could see another
Speaker 1: structure just about out of sight. So he walked up
Speaker 1: to that one and looked up the trail again, and
Speaker 1: you could actually follow the trail, and there was structures
Speaker 1: always within sight along this trail, and that was very
Speaker 1: close to that might even be right where where that
Speaker 1: incident took place. And I came back out a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks later, and the original structure was smashed down
Speaker 1: to the ground, and the other guy with me was
Speaker 1: trying to find that trail again. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: follow it in because I didn't have my gun with
Speaker 1: me and I just wasn't prepared. I wanted to come
Speaker 1: back and walk that trail and see what I would
Speaker 1: find if I followed it in, but I wasn't willing
Speaker 1: to do it that day, and so I took that.
Speaker 1: I have a photograph of me standing under that structure.
Speaker 1: So I just took the photograph and I found where
Speaker 1: it was, so I could always find my way back
Speaker 1: to it by looking at the other trees. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there's they're always in those areas where they are,
Speaker 1: they're always watching. They're they're they're watching. Yeah, they're paying attention.
Speaker 4: Did he ever mention anything about how like when the
Speaker 4: tracks should back up, like how it would affect my
Speaker 4: woolf or bear behavior or prey items.
Speaker 1: The only time he talked about that that area, that
Speaker 1: one valley was he said there was nothing else in
Speaker 1: that valley where they lived, where the main valley, and
Speaker 1: he said, if you ever wanted to see a track,
Speaker 1: he said, there was tracks everywhere in there, but there
Speaker 1: was never people. He said, they purposely don't leave tracks
Speaker 1: where they know people are. But he said there was
Speaker 1: never any people in there. And so he said there
Speaker 1: was tracks wherever you wanted to find them, but that
Speaker 1: area they ended up going in there and raising it
Speaker 1: to the ground.
Speaker 5: How many acres do they take down?
Speaker 1: Oh, they take they take down square miles.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. And howld was that valley? Like, how big
Speaker 4: was the valley again where.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how big it was because I could
Speaker 1: never get them to take me in there.
Speaker 4: And he had seventeen traps or how they put the traps,
Speaker 4: like every two hundred yards apart or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But he said that there was no martins.
Speaker 1: He said there was nothing. There wasn't even birds in there.
Speaker 1: He said it was just where those things lived. He
Speaker 1: said there was no life whatsoever. And then on the
Speaker 1: edge of the valley they found that, like I said,
Speaker 1: that moose, and there was two bigfoot nests right there,
Speaker 1: and the moose was being consumed.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 6: I don't one of the things I'm curious about, but
Speaker 6: I know that the listeners are too. Given your position
Speaker 6: and how many awesome reports come into you. Were there
Speaker 6: any reports that came in since the last time we
Speaker 6: talked to you, or since Big Fur came out that
Speaker 6: really stuck with you in the last few years, since
Speaker 6: we've gotten to catch up with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear so many of them. You know, it's
Speaker 1: getting to the point now where like in the hunting community,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more hunters seeing these things than people realize.
Speaker 1: So you know, get I get quite a few reports
Speaker 1: from people, but it's you know, just sit down and
Speaker 1: anecdotes all the time. Here's a little story that you
Speaker 1: might find interesting. I had a girl working here back
Speaker 1: in like two thousand and fifteen, and at the time
Speaker 1: I was doing a my daughter and I were doing
Speaker 1: a big display of animals for the new Alberta Museum,
Speaker 1: and I was working with a biologist. He was a
Speaker 1: great guy. He's retired now, and he was always interested
Speaker 1: that I, you know that I was basically somebody who
Speaker 1: wasn't a kook that believed that, you know, these creatures
Speaker 1: were out there. And so he was in the in
Speaker 1: my shop one day and this girl was working and
Speaker 1: so I said, go and talk to this girl here.
Speaker 1: She was part Native, and so she pulled out her
Speaker 1: iPhone and she had about fifteen pictures of a sasquatch
Speaker 1: up on the side of a mountain that she took
Speaker 1: over by in British Columbia when she went to school there.
Speaker 1: It was by what's the name of that ski resort anyway,
Speaker 1: famous ski resort. They were driving out of there, and
Speaker 1: she said it was, yeah, it was Whistler. And so
Speaker 1: it was standing there and I took a picture off
Speaker 1: of her. I took all of them. One point it
Speaker 1: sat down, another point it stood up. But there was
Speaker 1: one picture where you could see the kind of lean
Speaker 1: from the shoulders, which is typical, and this thing was
Speaker 1: big and it was just standing there. She said it
Speaker 1: was there when they drove away. She knew what it
Speaker 1: was because you know, the native community, they just it's
Speaker 1: just a matter of fact. And her mother was with her,
Speaker 1: and I mean, she never even told me, after a
Speaker 1: couple months of working for me that she had those pictures.
Speaker 1: So she showed the biologist and he was looking at it,
Speaker 1: and she showed them the pictures and you know, you
Speaker 1: zoom in, and I've showed it to pictures and to
Speaker 1: people and I say, well, it's a tree. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: I have another one where it's actually sat down. And
Speaker 1: I said, oh, you'll have to show me that. And
Speaker 1: I said, I have to show you nothing. I'm just
Speaker 1: showing you what somebody showed Pete. But anyways, he was
Speaker 1: asking her questions and he came and said something to
Speaker 1: me afterwards that I never forgot and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: in all honesty, he said, if you ever want to
Speaker 1: prove this, he said, you have to have either a
Speaker 1: body or a skull. He said you need to have that,
Speaker 1: and I said why and he said, just I have
Speaker 1: a funny feeling, he said, I think he knew something.
Speaker 1: He said that you know they're going to explain away DNA,
Speaker 1: he said, explain away all this stuff, he said, but
Speaker 1: you have to have something that can't be explained away.
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, a body or a skull.
Speaker 1: He said, that's what you need. And he was pretty serious.
Speaker 1: So I often thought about what he had to say,
Speaker 1: and I kind of take that position.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: It's why I gave away all my DNA samples to Tyler.
Speaker 1: I just if I find any more, you know, DNA
Speaker 1: samples or whatever, I'll give them to somebody that I
Speaker 1: think is going to do something with them. But I'm
Speaker 1: not going to make a big deal unless some hunter
Speaker 1: drops one of my yard and drives away, Well, then
Speaker 1: I'll make a big deal out of it.
Speaker 2: Well, can do you have anything coming up that you'd
Speaker 2: like to tell our audience before we go on and
Speaker 2: do Our member side of the episode. Is there anything
Speaker 2: coming up that they people can support you in or
Speaker 2: don't know appearances, books, I don't know anything.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I haven't really been. I've been kind
Speaker 1: of away from the subject for a while. I still
Speaker 1: I'm still there, but I'm I kind of took a
Speaker 1: step back, you know. I'm I listened to things, I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for things, but I'm not out there and active
Speaker 1: these days so much. I'm still collecting information as much
Speaker 1: as I can get. You know, I'm watching different different
Speaker 1: things on YouTube if it's interesting to me while I'm
Speaker 1: working in doing my sculpting in here. A lot of
Speaker 1: times I'll put accounts onto the computer and listen to
Speaker 1: them while I'm working. But I'm I haven't really been active.
Speaker 1: But if I do put cameras out, if I do
Speaker 1: have something on the go, I'm going to be really
Speaker 1: low key about it, you know. I just I don't
Speaker 1: know the whole the whole thing about, you know, knowledge
Speaker 1: of these creatures and it being suppressed, and think it
Speaker 1: kind of spooks me a little bit. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Clip and not think I'm like delusional paranoid like that
Speaker 4: that they monitor bigfoot activity.
Speaker 2: But that's not why we think that, Bobo. That's one
Speaker 2: of the reasons.
Speaker 5: That's the reason. That's reason thirty four, Section C.
Speaker 1: No, I you know, I don't know, like you know,
Speaker 1: everybody says, well, you know, how do you make a
Speaker 1: how can you make a million dollars from sasquatch or
Speaker 1: or more? Well, the quickest way is to sell it
Speaker 1: to the forestry company. And uh, but if you do that,
Speaker 1: get your affairs in order, because now you're a loose end.
Speaker 1: I just got I you know, in all honesty, I
Speaker 1: there's just too much at stake for some people. Problem
Speaker 1: with wisdom is it comes with age? Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: it really spooks me, to be honest.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: The more I the more I hear, you know, I
Speaker 1: I would like somebody to just come and sit down
Speaker 1: and tell me why why is it being suppressed? What's
Speaker 1: the reason that I don't know that would make me
Speaker 1: agree with you? You know, I would just like to know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, none of that makes very much sense to me.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, other than money, why would
Speaker 3: anybody care?
Speaker 5: And well, also pretty big reason.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is that there's two reasons, actually money
Speaker 1: and another one that leads back to money, and that's liability.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Imagine you had a kid that went missing in the
Speaker 1: forest and then they find out years later that you
Speaker 1: knew these things existed and that they sometimes take kids,
Speaker 1: and yet that was never You know, there's liability in
Speaker 1: the truth coming out, a lot of it, a lot
Speaker 1: of it. And that that's another thing too, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like all of those things. And I mean I hear stories.
Speaker 1: I had a guy in my shop, A sasquatch tried
Speaker 1: to grab him when he was a kid. He fired
Speaker 1: three shots to turn it and he he melted down
Speaker 1: and started crying in my shop telling me the story.
Speaker 1: I felt so and then Nick guy never came back.
Speaker 1: He left his all his animals here. I can't find him.
Speaker 1: He's gone on.
Speaker 4: You know, I think we got to get a story
Speaker 4: on the Patreon the Patreon section when we switch over
Speaker 4: now to the Patreon account.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's move over to the members section right now,
Speaker 2: and we can talk about some of the other things
Speaker 2: that might be a little bit more sensitive. And I
Speaker 2: know our members have a lot of questions for you too.
Speaker 2: We solicten some wonderful questions from them.
Speaker 4: Now, well, people now know while we were so excited
Speaker 4: to have Ken on like this is our This is
Speaker 4: one of our top episodes for sure. Thank you so much,
Speaker 4: Ken Walker for coming on. Yeah, folks, so check out
Speaker 4: the old documentary Big Fur and that's history. But Ken
Speaker 4: is looking forward to the future and the next project
Speaker 4: where we hopefully get some more answers to the squatch mystery.
Speaker 4: But so we're gonna go to our patreons actually for
Speaker 4: the members, and we just want to thank Ken so
Speaker 4: much for coming on. And all right, folks, till next week,
Speaker 4: keep it as squatchy as Ken does.
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