Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Stories version of The Todd Hermer Show.
Story number one hearing from Nick Fointe's Followers, story number two,
the other on God they massacre, and story number three
Kirk Cameron cancels hell. We'll talk about all of this
with the help of God Almighty.
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Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made, and these
are the times through which God has decided we shall live.
And if you are old like me, it is really
really important that old men pay attention to young men,
not just because we are called to do that as
the older generation, not just because Jesus would have us
disciple younger men into him into the body of Christ.
That's the primary reason. The secondary reason is and it's
far below the need to disciple and our role in
discipling and the commands to go and make disciples. It's
far below that. But it's a great consolation prize is
these are going to be the kids who make decisions
about what our countries like as we're sitting around in
hospital beds having apple sauce wipe from our face. And
if you want to have the apple sauce white from
your face caring and considerate manner, it might be a
good idea to spend some time hanging out with young guys. Now.
The best way to do that is in person, serving
in youth ministries. It's spend such a blessing for me.
I spend time with young guys fifteen to twenty one
every week. I spend time from time to time when
I can, with younger male friends in the gym, and
I hear these concerns, et cetera. But on our podcast,
we did a segment that wasn't even about Nick Flentes.
It was about people, older men, not not as old
as men, but older men trying to speak into the
lives of Nick Foyante's followers and trying to understand them
or correct them without the virtue of spending a lot
of time around Nick Fointe's content. And in this piece,
my producer Alex came on set, which is something we
don't often do, and I didn't give him heads up.
I just say hey, once you come on set. So
he was even prepared. Okay, neither of us have watched
a full Frontes episode, and we fully admitted that. And
the point of the segment was God speaks into the
lives of young men. There are plenty of biblical verses
where Gods, through the apostles addresses young men, through the
prophets addresses young men. So what we were suggesting is
instead of a Flintse or me or a Tucker Carlson
or whomever as a male role model, the prime male
role model is Christ Jesus, and his words are available.
The words of God are available to the Bible. This
should be the groundwork. That was the point of this.
It was also the point to say, to men of
one generation, you do not understand the struggles of the
other generation. And there's plenty of people who looked at
the struggles of the young generation said they don't have
any Really, young men have had so much stolen from
them in the United States, the generational theft of the
COVID era that stole a lot from a lot of people,
a lot of very very important experiences, the theft of education.
They have not been given the sort of classical education
that people in prior generations were given that created great thinkers.
So they've got high. I accused many of them, but
unguided because they weren't given that advantage. It was taken
from them on purpose, because the job was to create
little worker bots. Now I've been through this frustration as
a young guy, and when I discovered how much was
stolen from me, and I had to go back up
and catch up on education that was taken from me,
partly because of the government schools, but it's partly because
I was a jackass when I was a kid and
didn't go seek out advanced education because I was being
a rageful young man. I can relate to this. But
what we got in response was some some really passionate
comments from people who follow Fuentes. And again the video
was even about Nick. So this is some examples of
some of the conversations going. And when I tell these
young guys, I want to meet them, take them out
to dinner and eat steak with them, all bye, I
mean it, that'd be a real honor for me. This
guy wrote back is Panthagen seven seven seven to quote.
Rage culture of the younger generation has been the catalysts
to revolutions throughout history, not flaccid old men who are
afraid to rock the boat and possibly lose what they've accumulated.
Ten likes on that comment. It's so fascinating to hear
rage culture put back in your face when you're someone
who's been arrested twice. You were expelled from school on
the last day of sixth grade, kicked out of school
countless times. Your sixth grade principle told your best friend's mother,
don't let your son hang out with Todd because he's
gonna land in prison. That's his future, et cetera. To
have rage culture put back in your face, and I replied,
partly thoughtfully, partfully because of my flesh. Lol. Flaccid, you
watch one clip and know everything. You have no idea
what I gave up to be independent, how God has
rewarded that enjoy your rage. I will lean on God's
wisdom and that I continue to say, anytime you want
to come on a rock and work out with me,
we can do that. We'll find out who's flaccid. Afterwards.
It'll be my pleasure to buy you a steak dinner
and to hear from you the challenges of your youth.
The anger of young men is well earned, and man,
I can't get you because I'm closer to sixty than
I want to be. That's not even true. I don't
care I'm close to sixty. I actually don't care. That's
a cliche. But what I can relate to is looking
at a guy like Mitch McConnell, who has lizarded his
way into being otherly filthy rich at your expense. I
take a comrager, a butter chicken, and ever pot sometime
double double senator Senator. Yeah, I can relate to that.
He's totally stolen from you. So is Nancy Pelosi. So
has Wall Street that is corrupt in ways people don't
even recognize. I don't even know if you guys know
this for all your age, maybe Front has told you
about this. Did you know that super wealthy investors get
to skip ahead of you in line if a bunch
of you guys decide to go out and organize as
a group of Fronte's followers and go buy game Stop stock.
And I'm not saying you did that, but if you
decided to do that, do you know that the Algos,
once they noticed that, would actually let big investors step
in front of you buy that stock and then sell
it back to you for just a little bit more.
And they say that this adds liquidity to the market. No,
what it does is it makes the stock more expensive
to you. You should be angry about that, and then
you should realize God told you going to be times
like these and people are going to follow false teachers.
This is another comment we got, and again the segment
was not about Nick. I don't know how many times
on the segment, Alex and I said we've never seen
a full Frontes episode. I'm going to now because one person,
one young man, was actually kind of enough to say, hey,
absolutely watch this episode. This is Nick I'm doing it.
Can't wait. You guys are so out of touch, it's insane.
Young men didn't just wake up anger and start listening
to Nick foyantes out of nowhere. There are real social
and economic frustrations you're glossing over that are affecting an
entire generation. And then again I responded this and he said, oh,
to say that three fourths of his audience are boss
rather than actual people who are struggling overwhelmed by failing
system is wild. The level of dismissal is exactly why
so many young men feel ignored in the first place.
A couple of great points, And in this response, I
touched on the lizardy Mitch McConnell thing, And there's a
lot more lizards than Mitch mcconnad. I worked in DC.
I saw the lizards. I lived in a world where
my first couple weeks in DC, I was offered a
stink and bribe for a million bucks or so. If
I just shut my mouth and let this woman continue
to steal from the Republican National Committee by pretending to
do online fundraising, all you have to do is keep
my mouth shut. Million to start more than that afterwards
made me sick. And on the topic of the bots,
I didn't determine that. There's a link that we have
in the show notes. You can go read the piece,
The manufactured rise of Nick flntes how artificial viralty tricked
to platforms in the press into elevating a fringe voice.
Now that fringe voice thing that's coming from the mind
and the words of a guy who's in his late fifties,
is an academic with a master's degree. He considers Nick fringe.
I don't I don't consider voices of youthful anger to
be fringed because they're youthful. I don't know enough about
Frontaste to say he has fringe views. I know that
Fonte does things that make him seem fringe to those
of us without the context. And the context is many
many people coming in and saying, do you even understand
why he says Hitler's cool?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: And I don't really care oka what the context is.
That it's okay that we never talk about Ganghis Khan
or we never talk about It's okay to talk about
Ganghis Khn and history, but you can't talk about Hitler. No, no, no,
I understand that. For instance, you'll notice that the Mocknbird
media and academia never condemned the crimes of Joseph Stalin
or Chairman Mout. Notice that because people recognize them as communists,
therefore they're not going to talk about that. But they'll
talk about the crimes of Hitler, and they'll make a
new Hitler movie. Every single year, there's a new Hitler
movie because he's been successfully pretended. They pretended enough to
be right wing, even though he was a socialist and
also a sociopath. But when you come out and say
things like Hitler's cool. You're going to get attention for
saying Hitler's cool. And Nick Fontes is a smart enough
guy to know he's going to attention for that. And
young men who are sick to death of being lectured
to about you can't say this, you can't say that,
They're going to come along and say, you know what,
I'm so tired of you telling me what I can't say.
I'm going to say the most outrageous things because I
can again to have rage culture put back in my face.
When our radio form, when our radio station changed format
and we were all out of work, we started an
online broadcasting company that started. Its first name was Extreme Talk,
and we got to be extreme Baby. Got to stand
up on a in front of a camera and say
the most extreme things in the extreme way with extreme words.
And man, it was I felt so free. I could
say the effort, etc. I could say is points the
way it'd never been able to say them before. And
my girlfriend at the time, who's now my wife, we've
been together thirty years. One thing she told me, she said,
you're not charming anymore. Your show is no longer charming.
We always knew that you wanted to say those things,
but you never did out of restraint. Now that you're
saying those things, you're just saying those things. Now it's
on the topic of faith. It was most interesting to
me people talking about Nick flent Taste bringing people to God,
because I had laid out a challenge a couple of
the young men. And I'll talk about that in a second,
because it's very, very very important. It's the most important thing.
There's all our ways to bring people to God. There's
also ways to respect God's design. God designed my young
friend Alan to be who he is. He's fourteen, He's
been through eighteen operations. He's effectively nonverbal, and he works
every single day, very very hard at his soap company.
He's in packaging, making sure that things are patrick correctly,
quality control, taking any bar of soap that has any flawed,
tossing it and they'll put that into some packages they build.
They don't waste this stuff, but they'll build these broken
packages and you try different different fragrances of the soap.
His brother Ian works there. He's also autistic. And this
soap isn't made in some weird factory in China. It's
made in the Midwest, United States by a family with
three generations of soap making expertise. This is a great
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I might be going to try to say the name.
It looks very bodish to me, no offense. Maybe you're
a real person, JK something or other. The modern institutional
church will now react to front Taste because it has
done a terrible job at guiding young men to date,
assuming Boom or Christianity even cares enough. So I wrote
back and said, praise be to God. American men are
joining the church in high numbers, choosing the most institutional denominations.
Do you think Nick was part of that? What I
will want to see and what I'm going to hope
to see when I watch these full episodes of front Days,
starting with the one this young man was kind enough
to send me where Front Taste goes into a warehouse
as a conversation with the young kid working in the warehouse,
a young man working in the warehouse can't wait. What
am I going to be looking for? Are the fruits
of the spirit. I want to see fruits of Christianity.
I want to see a man who's humble, who's patience,
who's kind, who's loving, who doesn't keep lists of grievances,
who seeks to serve and not be served. And I'm
gonna expect I won't find it. I'll expect that maybe
I'll be pleasantly surprised. Why am I going to expect
to not find that? Because I've never been famous on
the Nick foynd taste level, been well known adjacent to fame.
But I've been infamous, and I've been the big big
fish in a fairly big media market, and I know
I wasn't providing fruits of the spirit. Story number two,
the other ungodly massacre. Do you think that you are,
at some point or another going to be called to
a count for the choices you made when you kneel
before the throne of judgment in front of God Almighty?
Do you think we as a nation are going to
be called to account for that? Why you choose one
thing and not the other thing? I firmly believe that,
and I believe that we choose wars of convenience in
wars of profit. And I am not a liberal, nor
am I pacifist who believes that war is never the answer,
because sometimes, unfortunately war is the only answer. But we
should be going to war when war is the only answer.
And there is a test for this, there's a consistency
test for this. And I fear the day that we
all have to sit before or kneel before the throne
of judgment and discuss our various choices. Why this not
that you know the there's YouTube videos, and there's there's
men's magazines. Back when there were magazines. Back in the day,
there were these things called magazines and they were on paper.
It was really weird that ship them to and you
could read them. Over time. Some people kept them and
they would have these articles, eat this, not that, and
here's to go out have fast food that's relatively healthy,
which doesn't exist, by the way, but there is ways
to be a less sick from fast food. God may
sit with us and say, why this massacre and not
that one? Why did you defend these people and those people?
How did you make a determination that some of the
life that I created. Human life was more worthwhile MAF.
You could do this on the topic of abortion if
you like. That's easy, and God could come and say, hey,
you know, why did you find little babies so inconvenient
that you decided to commit the sin of murder on them?
But at the same time turn around and say, you
know what, we can't possibly have the death penalty for
people who are unrepentant takers of human life. Explain that
to me. I believe in the day of Judgment there's
going to be a lot of people who have that
conversation with Christ Jesus. And look, I'm not heard to
say that this has going to cast you into hell.
If you've accepted the Lord with your hearts, your heart,
your head, you understand that Christ is the son of God,
he is the Messiah. You've spoken this and confessed him
with your mouth. You've asked him to be your lord,
and now you submit to him. You've been saved. Now
stay saved, don't depart, don't get tricked into false teachers,
et cetera. And know that even saved people go to
the throne of judgment. So God may ask us, for instance, man,
you guys went all in on that war in Ukraine.
You guys went all in in being disturbed about the
taking of lives on October seventh in Israel, but not
concerned about the taking of lives and children Gaza. And
I need you to explain that to me. What was
the difference? Well, that was Israel doing the killing. No,
it wasn't. It was the government. It wasn't Israel. It
wasn't the tribe of Israeli people or the tribe of Israel.
It was the government and the military and they made
those decisions. So let's not get that confused. Or do
you want me to judge you based upon what your
government did?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And God may Leel's all out for us. I mentioned
this because I saw a headlight. I think this can't
be true, this number of people, and it hasn't hit
the Mockingbird media, and yet it is true. And I'll
share this with you in a second. We're watching some
amazing things happen in the American media. You talk about
people lives being affected. The Atlantic magazine that had put
out an article calling fromer New York Times writer Alex Berenson,
author of a lot of the truth around COVID, They
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there's things that read. I've got a list of people
I read who cover big picture items, and this came up.
I didn't know about this. I don't know that you
know about this. Did you know that there are one
hundred and fifty thousand residents of a town called El
Fasher who are missing since a north defer capital fell
to this parimntally paramilitary group called the Rapid Support Forces.
And there are satellite images of the village or this
town city, and side by side you could see why
there are one hundred and fifty thousand people missing, because
it's been utterly decimated. And I've got friends of mine
who are deeply, deeply, deeply hurt and upset about what
has been gone, what's going on in Gaza and the
decimation there, and believing that President Trump might be bullying
up to build a resort on the beaches of Gaza,
and God forgive Trump if he does that, that'd be
a war crime like no other. If that's the reason
for this, I'm not saying it is, But if it is,
God will judge that. God will also be asking us, Hey,
why Ukraine, why did you go all in there? I'm
not en Darfur. War should be a necessity. We should
only go when it's a necessity. But when we go
into one country for human rights, shouldn't we be going
into all of them? Story number three Kirk cam It
cancels hell. Maybe that's a little unfair. Maybe it's a
little clickbaitish, but I don't think it's that far off. See,
when you take a step away from what God's words
says because it feels uncomfortable, that's one step, and you
can always go back. I know that pastors of approach
Kirk Cameron about we're going to talk about He said, oh,
I'm not committed to that point of view. But Kirk
Cameron had a conversation with his son, and that conversation
with his son was really interesting. A to see a
father and son spending time talking about God, the Bible theology.
I love that. It's very encouraging. On the other hand,
it's very discouraging to see Kirk Cameron taking an elimination.
Is view an elimination. His view means that you have
a get out of jail free card. Now, there's a
time where you pay for your sins, and that might
be a long time, but ultimately it's not eternal. Ultimately,
if you're in hell, you can rest assured that hey,
one day I'm just going to cease to exist and
in that way, the pain will be all over. That
doesn't match up with biblical teaching, and it really doesn't
match up with the nature of God. But we're told
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twenty five. That's three three eight. So Kirk Cameron made
this statement about gods and about hell and about his
view and how it has changed. Get down to it. Yeah,
what's your opinion on this?
Speaker 3: So my position as it stands today and again, I'm
the beauty of this is that we're always learning and growing, right,
So I'm open to new light. If you guys have
a position that you can share with me, I will
gladly change my mind. I used to hold the position
of conscious eternal torment because that's just what I was
taught by people that I love and trust. I've learned
that there are other positions, and a very robust argument
can be made for conditionalism or annihilationism, as Edward Fudge
posits here, and it fits the character of God in
my understanding more than the conscious eternal torment position because
it brings in the mercy of God together with the
justice of God. It doesn't leave judgment out.
Speaker 2: It is just.
Speaker 3: But it also fits with the Old Testament picture of
the fate of the wicked, which is to be destroyed.
It is to die, and it is to perish, not
live forever in an eternal barbecue. And the classic verses
that used to get me into eternal torment, you know,
the punishment, everlasting punishment, everlasting destruction fits beautifully with a
destruction punishment judgment that is irreversible and lasts forever. That
is the eternalness of that punishment and that destruction. So
that's where I am today.
Speaker 1: Let's respond to you here. And I believe that Kirk
Cameron is about to as God the guy as you
could find. I think that he is post Hollywood, committed
his life to spreading the Gospel Christ, and I want
to recognize that at a huge level. This is a
quote from J. C Ryle, disbelieve hell and you unscrew, unsettle,
and unpin everything in scripture right because we're being saved
from what.
Speaker 2: From what? Now?
Speaker 1: Krook Kermeron's not saying that hell doesn't exist, He's canceling
the meaning of hell, which is eternal torment. Now, he said,
there's something very interesting about death. We could begin in
Genesis where Satan, manifested in the body of a snake,
said surely you won't die, and Adam and Eve might
have walked out of the garden going, you know, the
snake was right about one thing. We have not died, right,
So maybe he was right on that front. But they
knew death because they watched it. They were wearing animal skins,
so they in the garden. God got those animal skins
from something and animals, so you could call that the
first animal sacrifice. To clothe his kids as they walked
out of the garden, maybe their first smell of blood.
It wasn't long before they saw death, because they had
one son go on to murder another son over jealousy
and rage, and having decided to give God a substandard
sacrifice rather than what God had asked to have and
could have been provided. So the nature of God was
to tell people, hey, if you go your own way,
you will surely die. He didn't mean physically at that point, spiritually,
and spiritual death is removal from God. God operates in
this brilliant, brilliant circle method. The Bible begins in a
garden and it ends in a garden. We were given
an opportunity to have eternal life with Gods or eternal
life without God. Our choice. God has given us a choice,
and they are eternal choices. In Luke chapter thirteen, verse
twenty eight, we read this in that place, there will
be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham
and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the
Kingdom of God. But you yourself cast out for a
little while that part for a little while is not
in there. That's a declarative you yourself cast out. In Luke,
chapter sixteen, verse nineteen to thirty one, we read about
the rich man and Lazarus, and in this case the
Lord Jesus actually names a person in his parables. He
didn't go about giving people names. He names a person.
I think that's important. There was a rich man who
was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury.
Every day at his gate laid a beggar named Lazarus,
covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from
the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked
his sores. The time came when the beggar died, and
the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man
also died and was buried in Hades, where he was
in torment. He looked up and saw Abraham far away
with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, Father, Abraham,
have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the
tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue,
because I'm in agony in this fire. And Abraham replied,
he said, well, I can't do that. But in a
little while, you're going to be eliminated and not remember
any of this because you won't exist. That's not what
Abraham said. Abraham replied, Son remembered that in your lifetime
you received your good things. Well, Lazarus received bad things.
But now he's comforted here and you're in agony. And
besides all this between us and you, a great chasm
has been set in place, so that those who want
to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone
cross over from there to us. It's been set in
place for a little while. It's a wall that's like
dry wall. It's a great chasm. He answered. Then I
beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I
have five brothers. Let him warn them so they will
not also come to this place of torment for a
little while. Does it save for a little while? Abraham replied,
they have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them. No, Father, Abraham,
he said, but if someone from the dead goes to them,
they will repent. And he said to them, if they
do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will
not be convinced. Even if someone rises from the dead,
says Jesus, mic drop. Even if someone rises from the dead,
said Jesus, who went on to rise from the dead,
the same Jesus who visited the spirits in bondage while
his body was dead and said, I win they were there.
There's the eternal lake of fire. If the lake of
fire is eternal, is there some point where the lakes
just down there being all fiery. I don't think so.
The Bible speaks in absolutes. And had he wanted to
put a timeline on torment, God would have put a
timeline on torment. He put a timeline on Satan's rule
and how long he'll get to hang out here ruling.
You think it might have also put a timeline on
when you were actually annihilated eliminated. I hope that this
is just an exploration with Kirk Cameron. I know he's
talked to some pastoral leaders who said to him, hey, hey, hey,
step back, and he said he's not committed to this position.
It's a sign of intelligence when people are willing to
test their assumptions and their faith and to take the
feedback on this. And I have faith enough in God
that he's used Kirk Cameron in such a way that
I think that Kirk Cameron is going to be okay
and step back from this and not go fold on heretic.
I can't see that happening. God forbids do please pray
for him and for me. This is the Todd Hermanshaw.
Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, and please
make every effort to walk in the light of Christ.