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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Stories version of The Todd Hermer Show.

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Story number one hearing from Nick Fointe's Followers, story number two,

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the other on God they massacre, and story number three

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Kirk Cameron cancels hell. We'll talk about all of this

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with the help of God Almighty.

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Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by

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big pharma technocrats and tyrants everywhere from the high mountains

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of Free America. Here's the Emerald City exime Todd Herman.

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Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made, and these

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are the times through which God has decided we shall live.

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And if you are old like me, it is really

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really important that old men pay attention to young men,

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not just because we are called to do that as

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the older generation, not just because Jesus would have us

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disciple younger men into him into the body of Christ.

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That's the primary reason. The secondary reason is and it's

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far below the need to disciple and our role in

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discipling and the commands to go and make disciples. It's

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far below that. But it's a great consolation prize is

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these are going to be the kids who make decisions

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about what our countries like as we're sitting around in

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hospital beds having apple sauce wipe from our face. And

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if you want to have the apple sauce white from

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your face caring and considerate manner, it might be a

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good idea to spend some time hanging out with young guys. Now.

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The best way to do that is in person, serving

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in youth ministries. It's spend such a blessing for me.

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I spend time with young guys fifteen to twenty one

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every week. I spend time from time to time when

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I can, with younger male friends in the gym, and

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I hear these concerns, et cetera. But on our podcast,

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we did a segment that wasn't even about Nick Flentes.

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It was about people, older men, not not as old

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as men, but older men trying to speak into the

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lives of Nick Foyante's followers and trying to understand them

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or correct them without the virtue of spending a lot

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of time around Nick Fointe's content. And in this piece,

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my producer Alex came on set, which is something we

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don't often do, and I didn't give him heads up.

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I just say hey, once you come on set. So

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he was even prepared. Okay, neither of us have watched

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a full Frontes episode, and we fully admitted that. And

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the point of the segment was God speaks into the

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lives of young men. There are plenty of biblical verses

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where Gods, through the apostles addresses young men, through the

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prophets addresses young men. So what we were suggesting is

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instead of a Flintse or me or a Tucker Carlson

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or whomever as a male role model, the prime male

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role model is Christ Jesus, and his words are available.

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The words of God are available to the Bible. This

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should be the groundwork. That was the point of this.

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It was also the point to say, to men of

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one generation, you do not understand the struggles of the

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other generation. And there's plenty of people who looked at

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the struggles of the young generation said they don't have

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any Really, young men have had so much stolen from

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them in the United States, the generational theft of the

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COVID era that stole a lot from a lot of people,

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a lot of very very important experiences, the theft of education.

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They have not been given the sort of classical education

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that people in prior generations were given that created great thinkers.

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So they've got high. I accused many of them, but

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unguided because they weren't given that advantage. It was taken

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from them on purpose, because the job was to create

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little worker bots. Now I've been through this frustration as

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a young guy, and when I discovered how much was

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stolen from me, and I had to go back up

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and catch up on education that was taken from me,

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partly because of the government schools, but it's partly because

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I was a jackass when I was a kid and

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didn't go seek out advanced education because I was being

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a rageful young man. I can relate to this. But

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what we got in response was some some really passionate

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comments from people who follow Fuentes. And again the video

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was even about Nick. So this is some examples of

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some of the conversations going. And when I tell these

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young guys, I want to meet them, take them out

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to dinner and eat steak with them, all bye, I

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mean it, that'd be a real honor for me. This

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guy wrote back is Panthagen seven seven seven to quote.

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Rage culture of the younger generation has been the catalysts

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to revolutions throughout history, not flaccid old men who are

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afraid to rock the boat and possibly lose what they've accumulated.

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Ten likes on that comment. It's so fascinating to hear

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rage culture put back in your face when you're someone

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who's been arrested twice. You were expelled from school on

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the last day of sixth grade, kicked out of school

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countless times. Your sixth grade principle told your best friend's mother,

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don't let your son hang out with Todd because he's

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gonna land in prison. That's his future, et cetera. To

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have rage culture put back in your face, and I replied,

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partly thoughtfully, partfully because of my flesh. Lol. Flaccid, you

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watch one clip and know everything. You have no idea

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what I gave up to be independent, how God has

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rewarded that enjoy your rage. I will lean on God's

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wisdom and that I continue to say, anytime you want

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to come on a rock and work out with me,

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we can do that. We'll find out who's flaccid. Afterwards.

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It'll be my pleasure to buy you a steak dinner

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and to hear from you the challenges of your youth.

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The anger of young men is well earned, and man,

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I can't get you because I'm closer to sixty than

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I want to be. That's not even true. I don't

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care I'm close to sixty. I actually don't care. That's

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a cliche. But what I can relate to is looking

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at a guy like Mitch McConnell, who has lizarded his

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way into being otherly filthy rich at your expense. I

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take a comrager, a butter chicken, and ever pot sometime

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double double senator Senator. Yeah, I can relate to that.

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He's totally stolen from you. So is Nancy Pelosi. So

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has Wall Street that is corrupt in ways people don't

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even recognize. I don't even know if you guys know

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this for all your age, maybe Front has told you

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about this. Did you know that super wealthy investors get

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to skip ahead of you in line if a bunch

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of you guys decide to go out and organize as

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a group of Fronte's followers and go buy game Stop stock.

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And I'm not saying you did that, but if you

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decided to do that, do you know that the Algos,

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once they noticed that, would actually let big investors step

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in front of you buy that stock and then sell

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it back to you for just a little bit more.

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And they say that this adds liquidity to the market. No,

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what it does is it makes the stock more expensive

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to you. You should be angry about that, and then

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you should realize God told you going to be times

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like these and people are going to follow false teachers.

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This is another comment we got, and again the segment

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was not about Nick. I don't know how many times

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on the segment, Alex and I said we've never seen

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a full Frontes episode. I'm going to now because one person,

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one young man, was actually kind of enough to say, hey,

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absolutely watch this episode. This is Nick I'm doing it.

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Can't wait. You guys are so out of touch, it's insane.

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Young men didn't just wake up anger and start listening

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to Nick foyantes out of nowhere. There are real social

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and economic frustrations you're glossing over that are affecting an

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entire generation. And then again I responded this and he said, oh,

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to say that three fourths of his audience are boss

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rather than actual people who are struggling overwhelmed by failing

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system is wild. The level of dismissal is exactly why

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so many young men feel ignored in the first place.

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A couple of great points, And in this response, I

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touched on the lizardy Mitch McConnell thing, And there's a

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lot more lizards than Mitch mcconnad. I worked in DC.

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I saw the lizards. I lived in a world where

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my first couple weeks in DC, I was offered a

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stink and bribe for a million bucks or so. If

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I just shut my mouth and let this woman continue

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to steal from the Republican National Committee by pretending to

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do online fundraising, all you have to do is keep

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my mouth shut. Million to start more than that afterwards

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made me sick. And on the topic of the bots,

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I didn't determine that. There's a link that we have

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in the show notes. You can go read the piece,

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The manufactured rise of Nick flntes how artificial viralty tricked

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to platforms in the press into elevating a fringe voice.

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Now that fringe voice thing that's coming from the mind

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and the words of a guy who's in his late fifties,

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is an academic with a master's degree. He considers Nick fringe.

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I don't I don't consider voices of youthful anger to

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be fringed because they're youthful. I don't know enough about

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Frontaste to say he has fringe views. I know that

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Fonte does things that make him seem fringe to those

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of us without the context. And the context is many

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many people coming in and saying, do you even understand

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why he says Hitler's cool?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: And I don't really care oka what the context is.

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That it's okay that we never talk about Ganghis Khan

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or we never talk about It's okay to talk about

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Ganghis Khn and history, but you can't talk about Hitler. No, no, no,

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I understand that. For instance, you'll notice that the Mocknbird

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media and academia never condemned the crimes of Joseph Stalin

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or Chairman Mout. Notice that because people recognize them as communists,

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therefore they're not going to talk about that. But they'll

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talk about the crimes of Hitler, and they'll make a

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new Hitler movie. Every single year, there's a new Hitler

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movie because he's been successfully pretended. They pretended enough to

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be right wing, even though he was a socialist and

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also a sociopath. But when you come out and say

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things like Hitler's cool. You're going to get attention for

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saying Hitler's cool. And Nick Fontes is a smart enough

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guy to know he's going to attention for that. And

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young men who are sick to death of being lectured

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to about you can't say this, you can't say that,

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They're going to come along and say, you know what,

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I'm so tired of you telling me what I can't say.

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I'm going to say the most outrageous things because I

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can again to have rage culture put back in my face.

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When our radio form, when our radio station changed format

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and we were all out of work, we started an

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online broadcasting company that started. Its first name was Extreme Talk,

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and we got to be extreme Baby. Got to stand

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up on a in front of a camera and say

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the most extreme things in the extreme way with extreme words.

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And man, it was I felt so free. I could

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say the effort, etc. I could say is points the

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way it'd never been able to say them before. And

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my girlfriend at the time, who's now my wife, we've

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been together thirty years. One thing she told me, she said,

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you're not charming anymore. Your show is no longer charming.

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We always knew that you wanted to say those things,

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but you never did out of restraint. Now that you're

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saying those things, you're just saying those things. Now it's

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on the topic of faith. It was most interesting to

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me people talking about Nick flent Taste bringing people to God,

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because I had laid out a challenge a couple of

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the young men. And I'll talk about that in a second,

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because it's very, very very important. It's the most important thing.

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There's all our ways to bring people to God. There's

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also ways to respect God's design. God designed my young

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friend Alan to be who he is. He's fourteen, He's

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been through eighteen operations. He's effectively nonverbal, and he works

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every single day, very very hard at his soap company.

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He's in packaging, making sure that things are patrick correctly,

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quality control, taking any bar of soap that has any flawed,

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tossing it and they'll put that into some packages they build.

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They don't waste this stuff, but they'll build these broken

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packages and you try different different fragrances of the soap.

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His brother Ian works there. He's also autistic. And this

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soap isn't made in some weird factory in China. It's

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made in the Midwest, United States by a family with

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three generations of soap making expertise. This is a great

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stocking stuffer. Go to alansap dot com slash Todd, use

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promocrotad to get ten percent off all their products and

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prove once again that to you, all lives matter. Alansap

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dot com slash Todd. This came from a YouTube account.

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I might be going to try to say the name.

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It looks very bodish to me, no offense. Maybe you're

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a real person, JK something or other. The modern institutional

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church will now react to front Taste because it has

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done a terrible job at guiding young men to date,

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assuming Boom or Christianity even cares enough. So I wrote

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back and said, praise be to God. American men are

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joining the church in high numbers, choosing the most institutional denominations.

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Do you think Nick was part of that? What I

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to see when I watch these full episodes of front Days,

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starting with the one this young man was kind enough

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to send me where Front Taste goes into a warehouse

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as a conversation with the young kid working in the warehouse,

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a young man working in the warehouse can't wait. What

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am I going to be looking for? Are the fruits

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of the spirit. I want to see fruits of Christianity.

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I want to see a man who's humble, who's patience,

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who's kind, who's loving, who doesn't keep lists of grievances,

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who seeks to serve and not be served. And I'm

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gonna expect I won't find it. I'll expect that maybe

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I'll be pleasantly surprised. Why am I going to expect

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to not find that? Because I've never been famous on

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the Nick foynd taste level, been well known adjacent to fame.

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But I've been infamous, and I've been the big big

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fish in a fairly big media market, and I know

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I wasn't providing fruits of the spirit. Story number two,

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the other ungodly massacre. Do you think that you are,

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at some point or another going to be called to

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a count for the choices you made when you kneel

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before the throne of judgment in front of God Almighty?

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Do you think we as a nation are going to

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be called to account for that? Why you choose one

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thing and not the other thing? I firmly believe that,

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and I believe that we choose wars of convenience in

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wars of profit. And I am not a liberal, nor

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am I pacifist who believes that war is never the answer,

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because sometimes, unfortunately war is the only answer. But we

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should be going to war when war is the only answer.

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And there is a test for this, there's a consistency

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test for this. And I fear the day that we

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all have to sit before or kneel before the throne

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of judgment and discuss our various choices. Why this not

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that you know the there's YouTube videos, and there's there's

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men's magazines. Back when there were magazines. Back in the day,

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there were these things called magazines and they were on paper.

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It was really weird that ship them to and you

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could read them. Over time. Some people kept them and

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they would have these articles, eat this, not that, and

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here's to go out have fast food that's relatively healthy,

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which doesn't exist, by the way, but there is ways

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to be a less sick from fast food. God may

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sit with us and say, why this massacre and not

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that one? Why did you defend these people and those people?

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life that I created. Human life was more worthwhile MAF.

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you like. That's easy, and God could come and say, hey,

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you know, why did you find little babies so inconvenient

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that you decided to commit the sin of murder on them?

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But at the same time turn around and say, you

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know what, we can't possibly have the death penalty for

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people who are unrepentant takers of human life. Explain that

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to me. I believe in the day of Judgment there's

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going to be a lot of people who have that

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conversation with Christ Jesus. And look, I'm not heard to

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say that this has going to cast you into hell.

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If you've accepted the Lord with your hearts, your heart,

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your head, you understand that Christ is the son of God,

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he is the Messiah. You've spoken this and confessed him

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with your mouth. You've asked him to be your lord,

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and now you submit to him. You've been saved. Now

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stay saved, don't depart, don't get tricked into false teachers,

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et cetera. And know that even saved people go to

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the throne of judgment. So God may ask us, for instance, man,

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you guys went all in on that war in Ukraine.

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You guys went all in in being disturbed about the

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taking of lives on October seventh in Israel, but not

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concerned about the taking of lives and children Gaza. And

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I need you to explain that to me. What was

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the difference? Well, that was Israel doing the killing. No,

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it wasn't. It was the government. It wasn't Israel. It

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wasn't the tribe of Israeli people or the tribe of Israel.

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It was the government and the military and they made

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those decisions. So let's not get that confused. Or do

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you want me to judge you based upon what your

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government did?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And God may Leel's all out for us. I mentioned

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this because I saw a headlight. I think this can't

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be true, this number of people, and it hasn't hit

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the Mockingbird media, and yet it is true. And I'll

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share this with you in a second. We're watching some

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amazing things happen in the American media. You talk about

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people lives being affected. The Atlantic magazine that had put

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out an article calling fromer New York Times writer Alex Berenson,

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author of a lot of the truth around COVID, They

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called him the COVID's wrongest man. They're now adopting his

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point of view, a point of view I've had about

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these shots and this virus. There's a movie that explains

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this in a way that if you do not follow

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COVID the way I do, obsessively learn stuff with exclusive interviews,

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et cetera. If you follow it obsessively like I do,

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you're still gonna learn some things like the polio tie

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in to the COVID virus. I didn't know about that.

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It's Angel dot com slash Herman. So in doing show research,

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there's things that read. I've got a list of people

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I read who cover big picture items, and this came up.

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I didn't know about this. I don't know that you

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know about this. Did you know that there are one

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hundred and fifty thousand residents of a town called El

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Fasher who are missing since a north defer capital fell

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to this parimntally paramilitary group called the Rapid Support Forces.

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town city, and side by side you could see why

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there are one hundred and fifty thousand people missing, because

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it's been utterly decimated. And I've got friends of mine

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who are deeply, deeply, deeply hurt and upset about what

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has been gone, what's going on in Gaza and the

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decimation there, and believing that President Trump might be bullying

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up to build a resort on the beaches of Gaza,

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and God forgive Trump if he does that, that'd be

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a war crime like no other. If that's the reason

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for this, I'm not saying it is, But if it is,

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God will judge that. God will also be asking us, Hey,

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why Ukraine, why did you go all in there? I'm

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not en Darfur. War should be a necessity. We should

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only go when it's a necessity. But when we go

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into one country for human rights, shouldn't we be going

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into all of them? Story number three Kirk cam It

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cancels hell. Maybe that's a little unfair. Maybe it's a

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little clickbaitish, but I don't think it's that far off. See,

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when you take a step away from what God's words

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says because it feels uncomfortable, that's one step, and you

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can always go back. I know that pastors of approach

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Kirk Cameron about we're going to talk about He said, oh,

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I'm not committed to that point of view. But Kirk

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Cameron had a conversation with his son, and that conversation

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with his son was really interesting. A to see a

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father and son spending time talking about God, the Bible theology.

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I love that. It's very encouraging. On the other hand,

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it's very discouraging to see Kirk Cameron taking an elimination.

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Is view an elimination. His view means that you have

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a get out of jail free card. Now, there's a

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time where you pay for your sins, and that might

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be a long time, but ultimately it's not eternal. Ultimately,

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if you're in hell, you can rest assured that hey,

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one day I'm just going to cease to exist and

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in that way, the pain will be all over. That

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doesn't match up with biblical teaching, and it really doesn't

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match up with the nature of God. But we're told

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Caermeron says that the nature of God would be to

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provide us this relief. There is a great, great quote

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I'll share with you that I think explains this in

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a very very concise way. I'll explain that in just

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a second. I'll offer this explanation. Right now, you are

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living in the most tumultuous economic times in the history

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of the worlds AI is probably the most violent precursor

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we've ever seen to our economy because it's going to

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wipe out jobs that's already happening. Your retirement accounts absolutely

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was not set up for AI taking sixty percent of jobs.

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you just decided to start building it and still then

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twenty five. That's three three eight. So Kirk Cameron made

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this statement about gods and about hell and about his

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view and how it has changed. Get down to it. Yeah,

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what's your opinion on this?

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Speaker 3: So my position as it stands today and again, I'm

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the beauty of this is that we're always learning and growing, right,

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So I'm open to new light. If you guys have

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a position that you can share with me, I will

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gladly change my mind. I used to hold the position

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of conscious eternal torment because that's just what I was

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taught by people that I love and trust. I've learned

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that there are other positions, and a very robust argument

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can be made for conditionalism or annihilationism, as Edward Fudge

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posits here, and it fits the character of God in

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my understanding more than the conscious eternal torment position because

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it brings in the mercy of God together with the

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justice of God. It doesn't leave judgment out.

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Speaker 2: It is just.

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Speaker 3: But it also fits with the Old Testament picture of

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the fate of the wicked, which is to be destroyed.

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It is to die, and it is to perish, not

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live forever in an eternal barbecue. And the classic verses

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that used to get me into eternal torment, you know,

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the punishment, everlasting punishment, everlasting destruction fits beautifully with a

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destruction punishment judgment that is irreversible and lasts forever. That

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is the eternalness of that punishment and that destruction. So

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that's where I am today.

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Speaker 1: Let's respond to you here. And I believe that Kirk

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Cameron is about to as God the guy as you

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could find. I think that he is post Hollywood, committed

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his life to spreading the Gospel Christ, and I want

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to recognize that at a huge level. This is a

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quote from J. C Ryle, disbelieve hell and you unscrew, unsettle,

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and unpin everything in scripture right because we're being saved

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from what.

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Speaker 2: From what? Now?

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Speaker 1: Krook Kermeron's not saying that hell doesn't exist, He's canceling

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the meaning of hell, which is eternal torment. Now, he said,

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there's something very interesting about death. We could begin in

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Genesis where Satan, manifested in the body of a snake,

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said surely you won't die, and Adam and Eve might

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have walked out of the garden going, you know, the

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snake was right about one thing. We have not died, right,

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So maybe he was right on that front. But they

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knew death because they watched it. They were wearing animal skins,

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so they in the garden. God got those animal skins

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from something and animals, so you could call that the

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first animal sacrifice. To clothe his kids as they walked

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out of the garden, maybe their first smell of blood.

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one son go on to murder another son over jealousy

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and rage, and having decided to give God a substandard

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sacrifice rather than what God had asked to have and

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could have been provided. So the nature of God was

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to tell people, hey, if you go your own way,

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you will surely die. He didn't mean physically at that point, spiritually,

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and spiritual death is removal from God. God operates in

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this brilliant, brilliant circle method. The Bible begins in a

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garden and it ends in a garden. We were given

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an opportunity to have eternal life with Gods or eternal

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life without God. Our choice. God has given us a choice,

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and they are eternal choices. In Luke chapter thirteen, verse

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twenty eight, we read this in that place, there will

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be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham

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and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the

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Kingdom of God. But you yourself cast out for a

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little while that part for a little while is not

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in there. That's a declarative you yourself cast out. In Luke,

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chapter sixteen, verse nineteen to thirty one, we read about

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the rich man and Lazarus, and in this case the

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Lord Jesus actually names a person in his parables. He

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didn't go about giving people names. He names a person.

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I think that's important. There was a rich man who

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was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury.

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Every day at his gate laid a beggar named Lazarus,

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covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from

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the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked

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his sores. The time came when the beggar died, and

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the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man

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also died and was buried in Hades, where he was

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in torment. He looked up and saw Abraham far away

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with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, Father, Abraham,

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have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the

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tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue,

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because I'm in agony in this fire. And Abraham replied,

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he said, well, I can't do that. But in a

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little while, you're going to be eliminated and not remember

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any of this because you won't exist. That's not what

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Abraham said. Abraham replied, Son remembered that in your lifetime

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you received your good things. Well, Lazarus received bad things.

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But now he's comforted here and you're in agony. And

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besides all this between us and you, a great chasm

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has been set in place, so that those who want

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to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone

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cross over from there to us. It's been set in

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place for a little while. It's a wall that's like

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dry wall. It's a great chasm. He answered. Then I

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beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I

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have five brothers. Let him warn them so they will

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not also come to this place of torment for a

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little while. Does it save for a little while? Abraham replied,

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they have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them. No, Father, Abraham,

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he said, but if someone from the dead goes to them,

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they will repent. And he said to them, if they

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do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will

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not be convinced. Even if someone rises from the dead,

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says Jesus, mic drop. Even if someone rises from the dead,

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said Jesus, who went on to rise from the dead,

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the same Jesus who visited the spirits in bondage while

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his body was dead and said, I win they were there.

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There's the eternal lake of fire. If the lake of

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fire is eternal, is there some point where the lakes

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just down there being all fiery. I don't think so.

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The Bible speaks in absolutes. And had he wanted to

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put a timeline on torment, God would have put a

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timeline on torment. He put a timeline on Satan's rule

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and how long he'll get to hang out here ruling.

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You think it might have also put a timeline on

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when you were actually annihilated eliminated. I hope that this

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is just an exploration with Kirk Cameron. I know he's

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talked to some pastoral leaders who said to him, hey, hey, hey,

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step back, and he said he's not committed to this position.

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It's a sign of intelligence when people are willing to

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test their assumptions and their faith and to take the

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feedback on this. And I have faith enough in God

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that he's used Kirk Cameron in such a way that

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I think that Kirk Cameron is going to be okay

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and step back from this and not go fold on heretic.

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I can't see that happening. God forbids do please pray

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for him and for me. This is the Todd Hermanshaw.

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Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, and please

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make every effort to walk in the light of Christ.