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Speaker 1: Please to be joined by Dan Orlowski. Mister do everything

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for ESPN on Get Up on the NFL shows, does

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a great job as well. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Dan, how are you? I'm doing fantastic. How about you?

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Guys good?

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Speaker 1: We're also pulling our hair out trying to figure out

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what's gonna happen with this Texans offensive line. We'll get

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to that in a second. But you, as the quarterback,

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of course, and as somebody who played here in Houston,

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Ross and Dan with you here, I do have to

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ask you right off the bat, who is the real CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud? Yeah? I mean CJ's a sensational players. He's a

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young man that you know, obviously took the league by

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storm last year, and you know all off season I

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was one who was pretty clear of what he did

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was even greater than maybe the numbers painted the picture

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as because he was so remarkable on third down and

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that masked a lot of some of the inefficiencies of

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the offense as a whole, and that's obviously one of

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the harder downs to be good at at that position

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of the league. So it was even more impressive than

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again maybe the surface numbers left said. And then this year.

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It caught up to them a little bit this year.

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The poor performance on first down caught up to them

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this year, the lack of consistently being able to control

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the line of scrimmage on a lead of downs, and

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the poor production. I remember going back to Week one

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and I did a quick little thing on the NFL

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and I was like, man, they better figure out that

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protection because it was ugly and it's it's rained terror

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on their offense, and as it impacted CJ's you know,

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play negatively, There's no question about it. Has he played

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lesser than he has at last year, absolutely, But I

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think that's the direct reason why that the protection has

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kind of impacted him, impacted his vision, made him a

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little antsy at times, which is one a real thing,

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But I don't think that's made him a lesser player

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now again.

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Speaker 1: Danie Rolowski joined us here on the Matt Samas Show

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with Rousty and Matthews in for Matt. You know, Dan,

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a couple of the things that we've been talking about

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all week that seemed like it was the aha moment

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for CJ. Is won the busted play with the fumbled

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snap and he's got to roll out find Xavier Hutchinson

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and also using his legs. Did you see a guy

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in the second half and who got back to being

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the guy that he was last year where I mean,

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let's call it what it is his own words, he

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was a killer on the field last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's kind of one of the

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things that he has done a little bit more, I

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would say, this year, and just take off with his

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legs and be a threat. You know, situationally, it's not

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necessarily that you're designing quarterback runs for him, but those

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situational backbreaker Patrick Mahomes Joe Burrow type of runs where

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you know it's third and six and they take off

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and it's like, oh my gosh, everyone was covered, but

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he got a first down. So yeah, I saw that.

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I don't have any reservations about who CJ is or

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what CJ is. I think that, you know, some of

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the injuries and the lack of performances have been the

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significant part of why the play that's fallen off. But

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that's going to be a huge part of this game

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for them this weekend as well as you know, for

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both quarterbacks, who's going to have those two or three

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runs and those crucial moments to either you know, keep

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a drive alive or put points on the board, or

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take three minutes off of a clock longer. And so yeah,

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I think that's another kind of I don't know what's

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the astrosk, but bullet point in this game, as you know,

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Ken CJ pull those off.

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Speaker 1: One of the big problems with the offensive line has

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just been allowing those free runners Dan with maybe a

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lack of communication, and I am worried about that going

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up against the Spagnola defense this weekend on the road

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in a loud, arrowhead environment. How did the Texans in

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the offensive line prepare for that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's obviously a huge part of

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the challenge. I think the number one thing that they

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can do to help that is you've got to run

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the football in twenty one personnel, something that actually going

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back to a couple of weeks when they did play, they

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were decently successful at it, and so twenty one putting

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a fullback on the field or maybe unizing a tight

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end in that role, but you've got to be able

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to do that. The second thing is this, Actually I'll

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make this the first thing every single time that CJ

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breaks down and walks the line of scrimmage, he's got

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to be thinking blitz because it comes at any point

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from anywhere. The situations don't matter, So there has to

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be a constant at the forefront of his mind, where's

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the blitz coming from? Where's the inn? If they don't,

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it's almost like as a quarterback, you're often reacting to

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the blitz. This is a reacting to the no blitz situation.

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so it doesn't surprise you. Then again, the twenty one

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personnel has got to be a big run. I think

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that the second thing is you got to try to

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hit some screens against them when they pressure you. You know,

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there's there's two methods deal dealing with pressure as an offense.

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to try and kill it. And one of the ways

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that you try to you know, do both of them

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at the same time. As some perimeter screens where it

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protects you you get the ball in your hands. There's

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usually more than not a bad play than that. But

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if you actually at the right time, right angle, right people,

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you can hit on run And so I think some

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of the perimeter screens or slip screens would be a

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big deal. And then I mean, one of the things

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that was disappointing is the plan for protection and the

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execution for protection. And so you know, you got to

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have a plan for it. You got to know exactly

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how you want to protect it and communicate it. And

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while it's hard, you know, it's one of the challenges

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of the business. You know, if it's third out, I

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wouldn't be surprised if you get into some no huddle

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and try to give yourself as much time at the

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line of scrimmage to communicate. And then, you know, one

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of the things I've always learned and I learned this

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from Coach Kubac, and you know, if everybody's wrong, we're

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gonna be okay. So you don't chase perfection in these situations.

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the line scrimmage, you know exactly what's going to happen,

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and that's not real. But as long as everybody's on

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the same page and it knows what or who the

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problem is, you're gonna be okay more often than not.

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And so that's the big thing is you can't have

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four guys thinking one thing and one person doing and

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another thing. That's when catastrophe happens again.

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Speaker 1: Dani Orlowski join us here on the Matt Thomas Show

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with Ross And you mentioned the screen game. I mean,

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that's something that I've been screaming about all season, Dan

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with Joe Mixon. I mean, you see it all the time.

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He's running into a wall, he's running for forty fifty

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yards a game. You can't really get the run game going.

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the run game going. But all off season, Dan, we

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heard about what a great pass catcher he was out

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of the backfield. I mean, are you kind of disappointed

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in Bobby Slowick for not using that part of his

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game more especially factoring in the struggles at times?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's no question about it. I mean I'm a

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massive fan of the screen game in general. I mean,

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if you look at just if we're no Tree Top,

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do you look in at some of the offenses that

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have been really good this year and certainly in years past.

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He would sit there and go Kansas City, Man, Okay,

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really good screen game, and then you'd go, well, Detroit, yep,

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really good screen game, and all the Minnesota Vikings really

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good screen game, and the Los Angeles Rams really good

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screen game, and the Buffalo bill is really good screen games. So,

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you know, I think as in totality, and you know

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that that's got to be one of the foundations staple

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of your offenses has different screens that you can get

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to it. You're just trying to create a numbers advantage

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and then space advantage, and so I think it's a

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different way to get Joe mix in the ball. It's

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a different way to you know what a mix and

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strengths is. Yeah, he's a tough tackle man Like this

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is a tough tackle in space, and so you know,

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I think it's also a breather for your quarterback. You know,

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we're calling this play, we're running this lad off the

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sink mush, and so you know it's something that I

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would try and hit four or five times on this game.

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Speaker 1: A couple of more minutes with Dan Orlowski and Dan

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I mean, off topic football wise, I told Ross, I

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told the audience, I'd ask you this. You're pretty renowned

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for your food takes. So two part question here, Number one,

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what gets more of a visceral reaction analysis that maybe

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upsets a fan base or your food takes. And is

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there a food take that you were willing to die

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on a hill? And I mean even you're hunched over

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skull and bones on that hill when it's all said

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and done, that you will not come.

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Speaker 2: Off of it. Yeah, definitely the fan bases. You know,

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I always say this every year, it feels like the

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fans become more and more passionate. And listen, when you're

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in my role, like and you you're convicted about the

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things you say, it's it's gonna come your way. So

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at times I'm like, well that's a tough one. But

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definitely the fan bases. But the food does make people

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upset in an odd way. You know. The food take

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that I would die on is I think mushrooms are disgusting.

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That's the one that I ain't blinking off. I ain't

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blinking off that one. Yeah, I know. I often say

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like I love a good meal.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: I do. I love a good meal, but I don't

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need a good meal every time I eat. It's not

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like I have to walk away from having you know,

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food and being like, oh my gosh, that was a

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out of body experience, and so you know, I think

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that that's probably one as well. It's funny, you guys Houston,

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we used to live down there. We were having in

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a group text with some friends up here in Connecticut.

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and done. I honestly did not know that, and it

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was it was great having the questions fired back from

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them of like, wait, what they put brisket in caseo.

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We're like, yup. And then they were like, wait you

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dip your pahetas and butter and we're like, yeah, just

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the food stuff triggered my mind.

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Speaker 1: That's great. That one last one before we get you out,

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just uh your eyes what the Texans defense is going

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to have to do? And then a prediction, a prediction

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and then take it easy on us with the prediction

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here in Houston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I think can't say wins the game. I

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don't want to misrepresent it, but I do think Houston

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can hang. And the really question is that can they

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do enough offensively? You know, can they do enough? Obviously

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the depletion, but I think defensively, if you had to me,

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hold its own and have success against this Chiefs offense.

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I say, man, you've got to have two good end

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rushers and you've got to be able to play man

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coverage well, you know. And so I think that's what

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gives them a good feel in this game is you know,

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will and and Danil were freaking unbelievable last week, and

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I think their heavy hands are a big deal versus

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these tackles. How shy here definitely you know was a miss,

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you know, when you felt his impact, and then they

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can they can play man, you know. And so I

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actually think that their defense can keep them in the game.

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I wouldn't be surprised that this is a one score

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game on the fourth quarter. I just I don't know

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if they could do enough offensively versus a darn good defense.

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Speaker 1: Dan appreciate tom Man good stuff as always. It's great

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to hear her you get here in Houston, and of

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Take pretty much any of the NFL shows. I mean,

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everything that's gonna say. I mean, you know, fill in

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the blanks that I'm missing here.

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Speaker 2: Dan, Yeah, there is nothing I tell everybody Austin. You know,

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the best part about ESPN is it's twenty four to seven,

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you know, so it's obviously got a massive platform and

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there's a lot of opportunity. And the worst part about

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ESPN is it's twenty four to seven. You know, there

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is always another show looking for somebody. So no, it's

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it's it's all good. I'm super grateful I get to

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be a part of it. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Man, Hey, thanks for carving us some time for us today. Man,

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we really appreciate it. And uh, we'll catch up soon.

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Thanks guys, All right, take care of dan Orlowski again,

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ESPN former Texan. But even you'd even thrown out the

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idea of do you throw out Texans Texan's legend dan Orlovsky.

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Appreciate him making some time for a stalwart in that

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locker room. He was always a go to guy talked

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to even off Mike. You know, you knew that he

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probably had the gift for doing what he does, the

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gift of gab. Certainly good stuff there with dan Orlovsky.

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You want to rack to anything he had to say

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about the Texans this weekend against Kansas City Chiefs, you

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can do so