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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the All Eighties Movies podcast podcast,

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where we talk about the blockbusters, love blocks and everything

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in between from one of the precious decades from movies,

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the nineteen eighties. I'm your host Bill banton along mcminis

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journey revisiting eighties movies. Is my co host Jason Matsek. Hello, Jason.

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I saw these things.

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Speaker 2: I touched one of them and it wasn't some clunky

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steel can like we would build. It glided. It was

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the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. Oh God, I

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wish you'd been there. It was a machine. It was

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a machine, but it was alive. It was like a

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dance of light. Please, you have to trust me.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they mean us any harm. I don't

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know how I know that.

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Speaker 1: It's just that's right. Listeners, we're discussing with spoils a plenty.

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The nineteen eighty nine science fiction undersea adventure The Abyss.

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It was produced and distributed by twentieth Century Fox. The

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movie stars Ed Harris, Mary, Elizabeth Master, Antonio, and Michael

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Been directed by James Cameron. This movie is rated PG thirteen,

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with a running time of two hours and twenty minutes.

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The movie was nominated for four Oscars for Best Cinematography,

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Best Art Direction, Set Direction, Best Sound, and one for

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Best Effects Visual Effects. We will be discussing the theatrical

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version of the movie for this episode. So what is

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this movie about? What's on the box? If you grew

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up in the nineteen eighties and what's your local video

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store to rent this movie? You would find this description

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on the back of the VHS box. It is What's

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in the box? Take it away?

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Speaker 2: Jason Writer, director James Cameron, and producer Gail Anne Hurd

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have teamed again to create this epic underwater adventure. When

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a nuclear missile sub mysteriously sinks, the Navy commandeers the

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crew of a civilian deep sea oil rig to help

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in the rescue operation. This perilous mission becomes a wondrous

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odyssey into the unknown as forces from the ocean's deepest

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region begin to make contact with the divers. For Bud

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Brigman Ed Harris and his estranged wife Lindsay Mary Elizabeth Masterntonio,

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it becomes also a test of their physical and emotional limits.

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Their journey into the endless night of the Ocean's deaths

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lays bare the human heart in an elemental confrontation between death, love,

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and something else, the strange inhuman watchers in the Abyss,

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Requiring the most complex underwater sets, photography, and special effects

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ever attempted. This science fiction thriller is suspenseful filmmaking at

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its best. There's everything you've ever known about adventure, and

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then there's The Abyss.

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Speaker 1: So that was what's on the box. Jason, do you

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remember when you first saw The Abyss?

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Speaker 2: No, that's as plain as it gets. I do not.

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I don't have any early memories of who I was with,

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where I was. Nothing. I'm just going to defer to

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you on this one.

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Speaker 1: This was a rental for me, but I really really

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wanted to see in the theater. Did you suit as

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a kid where you would root for a movie even

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though you didn't see it, You just hoped it did

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well based on maybe who was acting in it or

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who the director was.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point, build Bands. Yeah, absolutely, a thousand percent.

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I mean I wished I had seen this in the theater.

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I can't remember a damn thing. I really don't know

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if I did or not in the theater, but I knew,

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of course it was a James Cameron film, and thus, yes,

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I was rooting for it. But that's interesting to think

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back as a kid, you would just be a fan

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of filmmakers, actors, etc. And just yeah, want it to

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do well, regardless of seeing it or not, because you

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knew eventually you would get around and seeing it.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, exactly. So let's talk about the movie. What

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are our impressions of the abyss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get right into it. Man, I'm going to

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read you what I wrote down. This is what I

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was feeling before I even rewatched this film. This is

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a movie I really like, but don't necessarily adore, but

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immensely respect, and strangely, I've visited it more than a

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few times over the years. However, I this is what

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I wrote, Bill. I have trouble recalling the smaller moments

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outside of the visitation from the Alien Race and the

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contentious relationship between Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Masfrontonio. Ed

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Harris throng is ring in the toilet, the magical fluid

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that allows you to breathe inside under the water. It

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allows you to breathe that great depths the testing of

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the liquid with the mouse Michael Bean being a Navy

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sealed dickhead and succumbing to the pressure sickness ed Harris

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making the deep dive descent. So I'm ready to all

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of this. Okay, wait, wait, actually I remember a shit

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ton like this is like I remember everything from this movie. Clearly,

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to this movie. And I'm not sure why, and I'm

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not sure if I figured it out. Actually on this

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my impression today is like, it's still a banger. We'll

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get into all the reasons why. But what were your

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impressions upon the rewatch?

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Speaker 1: This isn't James Carmon's best movie, Okay, Yeah, for me,

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it's my favorite movie. There you go, Okay, because I

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love submarine movies, and granted there's only small scenes that

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happen at submarine, but just that claustrophobic element of being

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under the sea, I just love it. I love the characters.

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which is still another thirty minutes, this just flies by.

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and you really see watching this how it's the blueprint

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for Cameron's future films T two, Titanic, Avatar. You see

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all of that in this movie, which is kind of

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cool to see where the grassroots were, especially when you

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think about nineteen eighty nine was the year of the

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undersea adventure. We had Deep Start six, we had Leviathan

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that we covered, and then the Roger Corman contribution Lords

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of the Deep, which I did watch for some reason.

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there's just something about this movie I adore and I

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and it just never did. Cameron wasn't a big fan

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of it, so I didn't get to watch it as

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much as I wanted to. But luckily I did find

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a copy and I just put it in and next

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thing I know, I'm like, holy crap, it's over. And

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even with all the quirky characters, and a lot of

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them don't have a lot of develop but I thought

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like the characters of this. I thought Ed Harris and

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Mary Elizabeth master Antonio were really good in this. It

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really made me think about Mary Lizabeth Masterton, like, why

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really liked her in this.

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you just made because I want to touch on each

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one of them and talk about all the I've listed

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everything you just said for myself. I like the fact

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that you use the word adore. You adore this, and

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I respect it. And I think you nailed it on

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the head when you were just discussing the concept because

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I just love this great opening with where you just

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hear the ping sound effect and then the great title

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card comes up with that great music. Let's give a

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shout out to Alan Silvestri. I'm a big fan. I've

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collected his scores over the years, so that's all real strong.

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And then of course when you see that title card,

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all I think is that great Frederick Nietzsche quote and

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gazes into you. That's one of my favorite quotes. And

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then we have this great initial action sequence and this

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talking about with the aspects of this concept and the

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claustrophobic nature and that you like the submarine films, because

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as soon as this intense opening happens where the submarine

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crashes into the side, the wall of Nann becomes flooded

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and you see, it's like, oh my god, all my

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fears are realized and it's so intense and anxiety inducing.

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as that excitement. You said, this is fun and exciting,

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and that's exactly what it is and what most submarine

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films have made well are. I'm a big Crimson Tide fan.

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Hunt for our October again. Another classic. But this is

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definitely up there with the great sub or let's say

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sub underwater submersible floating platform movies, if you will. And

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it's the freaking concept man, Like I said, okay, and

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capable of being accomplished in the future underwater, as far

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as exploration or in this case, digging for oil. But

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it's that horror aspect man, the fear factor being that

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deep underwater. It's just a great backdrop for a thriller.

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seems like bud and catfish swimming from one underwater hatch

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to another underneath the platform in freezing water, nonetheless holding

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your breath. The fear of drowning. There's just too many

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ways to die. Build this way too. The nervous disorder, Yeah, implosion, freezing,

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having a door blown out off its hinges and directly

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into you. That's a whole that's a like I'm like,

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because that's one of the first things I just want

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to say, and that's probably why I I always end

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up coming back to this movie and rewatching it is

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because the idea is great. And then I'm also thinking

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you touched on the cast. So it's interesting because I

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was making comparisons to Aliens, which is the predecessor to this,

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and how we adore that ensemble cast, right, And you

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can probably name a lot of those characters because they

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seem to be so specific. Obviously Michael Bean, but then

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as memorable as the cast from Aliens? Maybe not, but

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they all kind of hold their own and they have

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their moments and they're still fun. So James Cameron, let's

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talk about him for a second. I was in high

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school when this came out, and I was already a

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big Cameron fan the Terminator Aliens. Of course, Bill bed

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did you know Cameron wrote the initial draft for Rambo

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First Blood Part two?

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Speaker 1: Yes, only because when we were doing our prep for

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First Blood and I was looking into the other movies.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I ever did that love that.

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tent pole type of movie, right, it's his fourth directorial

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feature if you consider Piranha two The Spawning is really

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his first directorial effort. But man, it's wild because he's

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directed what ten features in total, and I'm not including

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like the deep sea exploration films and shorts and videos

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and such. I mean, you can look at his filmography,

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but James Cameron is a titan in the business, and

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you think he directed more exactly, but it's ten. It's

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Speaker 1: But then you think about his process, and especially for

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this movie YEP, where they found a tank and had

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everybody get certified as divers and then film hours hours underwater,

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such a troubled production. Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Master

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Antonia will not talk about this movie whatsoever. It's wild.

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bit in trivia. But you're right, I don't know if

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me in the beginning of this film. As entertaining as

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it is right from the jump, I am not always

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crazy about Cameron's writing. Now we know he pens all

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his films like it's either him or maybe one other

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person that writes the screenplay. He's usually credit for the screenplay,

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and I sometimes the exposition feels a little forced or

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two on the nose. It's just sometimes the dialogue bugs

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me a little bit, and it's either simplicity or generic.

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we get to meet Bud Brigman, who's the foreman on

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this underwater soil rig. And now it's like, okay, here

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comes Lindsay his now well his wife, but they're separated

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and they're going through a divorce. Supposedly, we get the

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great Chris Elliott in a supporting role, calling her a

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queen bitch of the universe. What a great, great thing.

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It's like, it's so obvious. It's like, okay, some of

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the dialogue is kind of feeding you these relationships through

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the words instead of showing you, and it's pretty obvious

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as to how they feel about one another. I don't know,

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how do you feel about Cameron's dialogue overall?

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Speaker 1: I didn't have an issue with it, Okay. I think

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the only scene that bugged me in the beginning is

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when Lindsay and the seals are in the tank and

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she's just kind of going over the pressure sickness m hm,

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and he keeps interrupting him being a dick. Yes, that

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was maybe a little too on the nose.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, yes, yes, yes, there it is that that

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you're you're getting closer to what I was not saying properly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do get it because we as an

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audience need to know what's going to happen to his

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character later on, So she has to say that and

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he keeps interrupting her. So that's yeah, that felt a

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little forced. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's one of those things.

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Speaker 2: As soon as she yeah, she as soon as she

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brings up the high pressure nervous syndrome or something like

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that HPNS. Is that something? Is that correct that I

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actually come close? But yeah, as soon as she brings

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that up, you're like, oh, well that's coming into play right,

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you know later that's pretty right on the mark there.

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That's that's gonna be a big deal later on. But

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great cast. We talked about the ensemble cast, but let's

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talk about Michael Bean for a moment, if we If

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you want to men for me on this rewatch, he's

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the standout. I've always been a huge fan of his.

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I already knew going into this, of course, that he's

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a prick in this movie. But man, something happened to me.

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I don't know during this having I haven't seen it

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in a while. I felt like he was a little

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bit of a sympathetic character. He comes down with this

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syndrome and he's going through hell, and I really appreciated

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his performance as that pressure anxiety that he was succumbing

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to was really getting to the shaking would get worse.

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where you know she's upset because they brought the warhead

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on board the nuclear warhead onto the platform, and she's

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really pissed, of course, and he has the gun behind

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his back and he's keeping like this low tone, trying

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to keep calm, but he's sweating and he's shaking. At

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the same time, I'm like, damn, dude. I mean, he's

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had a great career, but still, man, I always thought

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he should have been more. I just I love that guy.

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I appreciated his performance a lot in this.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get beyond the mustache. I didn't know what's

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going on with that thing. I didn't get some scissors

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strimming up. It was just like strings, We're just hanging

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off his face. I don't know what was going on.

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Speaker 2: There, all right, all right. I always forgot that he

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at one point starts slicing up his arm.

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Speaker 1: He's a cutter. At one point, Oh yeah, starts cutting.

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That's hardcore.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh damn, I totally forgot about that.

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Speaker 1: But I think I always love when you identify a

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character with the movie Michael Bean. You think of the Terminator,

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he's the good guy and he sacrifices himself to save

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the future, and then you see him in this and

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then he's the bad guy, and you're like, oh, come on, man,

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be the good guy.

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Speaker 2: It sucks because he's not only terminated, but then he's

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Hicks and Aliens. He's a hero in.

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Speaker 1: That too, exactly and now and this is the exact opposite,

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and you're like, oh, this kind of sucks. I want

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to be a good guy. Why can't it be part

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of the oil rig or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Then of course he's in Tombstone. He's so great

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in that too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he is a bad guy.

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Speaker 2: So Johnny is it? Johnny Ringo?

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Speaker 1: Is that Johnny Ringo? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So love us some Michael Bean, Mary Elizabeth mas Antonio.

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I was like, wait a minute, what else? What has

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she done? Oh yeah, just had a hell of a

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run in the eighties Scarface, The Color of Money, January Man,

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Class Action, Robin Hood Prints, The Thieves, The Perfect Storm.

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After the eighties, not too shabby. She was in some

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great stuff, I don't know, underrated, underappreciated.

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Speaker 1: She's an Oscar nominee. Yeah, and she just kind of vanished.

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Punisher series and then she's been doing Law and Order

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organized crime. So she's still working, right, but still very

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much under the radar at the same time, and has

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been kind of that way for years now. Yeah, I

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felt that way too. I just kind of watched him like, yeah,

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she should have been doing some moret stuff. I don't know,

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maybe his personal life stuff. She's really in some good films,

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oh yeah, but not as much as I felt like

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she should have been in.

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Speaker 2: Agreed. And then of course we have the man, and

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I mean the man, Ed Harris. Just can't get enough

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of him.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's just so solid and believable as that hard working

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blue collar every man, but yet handsome enough to be

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the leading man and always convincing. I don't think I've

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ever seen it, Ed Harris. I performance I didn't care

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for exactly.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't think of anything.

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Speaker 2: Even more recent times like Maverick. He's great in the

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beginning of that every time. He's just an actor that

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is always welcome. Whenever he pops up on screen, you're like, hell, yeah,

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give me more Ed Harris. And I just wanted to

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say I love the fact that after he goes to

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retrieve the wedding ring he threw down the toilet, that

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his hand is blue the entire time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this entire film.

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Speaker 2: His hand is blue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is super solid in this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic, Bud Virgil Bud Brigman got to talk about

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the effects very quickly. I mean, this was a game changer,

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you mentioned it. Overall, I felt the alien creature design

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was wonderful. It's like Close Encounters of the third kind

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two point oho or even three point zero. The creatures

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look fantastic and they're mesmerizing, just as our characters and

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our heroes are watching, you know, being witnessed to these creatures,

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and they're just jaw dropped in awe. That's how you

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feel when you're watching it, especially for the first time.

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The water tentacle of course, which I'll touch on later,

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that's like, okay, like you said, laying the groundwork, and

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it's just really cool to watch. And I feel like

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it still holds up for the most part. The CGI

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the effects are pretty pretty damn good, especially man like

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nineteen eighty nine, Oh yeah, freaking Cameron.

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Speaker 1: There's not that much in its special effects wise, when

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I'm like, ooh, yeah, that needs to be updated. I

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would say ninety percent of it still holds pretty well.

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And I do remember, I know we're going to talk

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about the water tentacle scene later, but every entertainment show

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have a segment about how they did that. I remember

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that was on all summer long. Every program we'll talk

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about how they did that effect and computers, and it

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was really the cutting edge. And because of that movie,

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you know, we get Jurassic Park, we get T two.

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So that was really the stepping stone right there. That

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was really the biggest jump we had with computer technology

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because it looked.

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Speaker 2: So real, groundbreaking. I know, what other words descriptors do

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you want to use, but we had never seen anything

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like that before and that's the fact, and that is

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one of the major standouts of the movie. So yeah,

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like I said, you know, have had a strange relationship

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as far as my passion for this film, But yet

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I can't not watch it repeatedly. So I don't know

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what's tugging or pulling at me and my feelings about it.

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But Cameron Movies, Man, The Terminator, Aliens, True Lies, those

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are my favorites. I've never been a huge Titanic fan.

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Titanic Oh oh, I've been saying it wrong exactly. Wow,

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that's embarrassing. But again, it's like one of those films

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where I respect the achievement. Here's Cameron groundbreak and you

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just never seen anything like this before, So just sit

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back and enjoy it for the the scope of it.

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But yeah, if anything, it's I think I just sometimes

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have issues with his writing, and I'll just kind of

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leave it at that. The last thing I'll say is

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regarding my initial thoughts. I was watching this Bill Benton,

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I was making an Armageddon comparison. Did Armageddon kind of

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take this idea of space? It cross my mind, Yes

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it did. You got some similarities here, right, A military

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mission recruits oil riggers to do the big job. All

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hell breaks loose, people die, the foreman has to sacrifice

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himself to prevent the mass destruction.

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Speaker 1: Similar themes, hmm, yeah, but all on the nose there.

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Last thing I would just mentioned is just a deep itself.

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and there's just a valve sticking out in the hall.

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I'm like, why is that sticking out like that? And

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someone runs into it? That makes no sense, But just

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all twisted pipes and metal and you got your steel

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doors and everything. And then even there where they launched

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the subs forward, that room was just so cool.

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Speaker 2: Oh the moon pool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just all the little details that no one's really

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gonna notice. It is all there on screen. I'm sure

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if I asked Cameron what was this pipe for, he

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would know the answer.

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Speaker 2: Correct. He most likely that's.

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Speaker 1: The way he works, And everything was in there for

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a reason. Yeah, because there's that one scene when Lindsay

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first comes on and she's turning all these valves.

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Speaker 2: She's like, oh, why is this here?

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Speaker 1: Like this, like she knows exactly where to go and

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with the check and she turns the one and then

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Bud goes back and turns it back because it's like, well,

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he's been down here, so he knows. She thinks she

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knows what it is on paper, but he knows what

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it is being down there. So I always found that fun.

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Speaker 2: It's great. I'm glad you gave it a shadowt just

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because obviously it was nominated for our direction and set

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and all that stuff deservedly. So I'm when you get

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into the research on this film, it is immense. It's

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lengthy and it's detailed and it's wonderful, but you just

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get a real appreciation for how much work was put

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into this and how much time and man hours and

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et cetera. But when you're watching it, you're right. It's

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attention to detail. We talked about it on our Aliens pod.

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It was the same thing with all the detail, and

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we talk about it with any Star Wars film, and

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like the Classic trilogy What I Love Like you go

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inside the Millennium falcon and there's just blinking lights and

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levers and buttons and things that twist and turn all

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over the place and I don't know what they are,

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and some of them just look like blinking lights. But

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it looks like it has a purpose. And you made

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an interesting comment when you said you probably wouldn't notice

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it or even think about it. But that's the point.

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The thing is, if it wasn't there, you would notice

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because it wouldn't feel real.

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Speaker 1: True. So, yeah, this is a movie I wish I

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had seen on the big screen. I'm hoping the opportunity

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will come up someday. If it does, I'm all over it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great time. And that's where I'm gonna

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end my initial thoughts commentary here is that I had

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a blast with it, and yes, it went by in

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the blink of an eye. It's a very, very fun,

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easy watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's move on to favorite scenes or moments.

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What were some of your favorite scenes or moments from

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the ABYSS. Yeah, let's talk about it. I think you

472
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and I have the same first one, correct.

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Speaker 2: We do?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

475
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Speaker 2: We do? Do you want you want to start? Do

476
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you want me to start? Oh?

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Speaker 1: You could start?

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm just simply calling this scene the crane

479
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drops the crane. Yeah. So at this point in the film,

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Hurricane Frederick also know as just Hurricane fred is throwing

481
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the Explorer support ship. The Explorer is this ship that

482
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is on the surface. It's being tossed all over the

483
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place due to this hurricane. And it's called the support

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ship because there's like this umbilical cable cord that is

485
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extending from the crane aboard this support ship all the

486
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way down miles down into the deep and it's connecting

487
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to the deep Core submersible, which is the oil rig

488
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the submersible platform, I should say, it's a giant platform

489
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where our oil riggers are working in this crew led

490
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by Ed Harris and the support ships being shook around

491
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and the deep Core. They can't disengage or disconnect the

492
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umbilical cord because good old Michael Bean is one of

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the Navy seal well, he's the Navy Seal lieutenant has

494
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taken off with the flatbedsmercible, which is the only thing

495
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that can disconnect the cable, and so when the hurricane's

496
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tossing the support ship around, now all hell breaks and

497
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it basically jars this crane loose off of the support ship.

498
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It breaks off, snaps off, sinks down, and almost hits

499
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the deep core platform. It's just a really super intense

500
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scene where you're just kind of literally and figuratively holding

501
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your breath really close calls and just scares the head

502
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out again. Anxiety inducing. I mean, it's the scene is

503
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It's like a ten to fifteen minute scene.

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Speaker 1: It feels like, oh yeah, just no. According to the book,

505
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the crane operator dies. In case anyone's wondering if you

506
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survived or not, I was wondering that actually when I

507
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when they lose communications with the explorer and don't know

508
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what's going on, and then the explorer's able to get

509
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a hold of them a short wave and say the

510
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crane is coming. The crane is coming, and then you

511
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just see the I don't even know what it is.

512
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The umbilical cord, just the thing and just listening to

513
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it and just fold on each other and like holy shit,

514
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and then brace for impact and everybody's running around getting prepped,

515
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running through each other like perfectly, like they've been drilled.

516
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And part of me is almost like they might have

517
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been better off that the crane actually hit them.

518
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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

519
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Speaker 1: Because then the crane hits the ground, they're all like

520
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who made it? And then it tumbles over the abyss,

521
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pulls the umbilical cord with them and then pulls them

522
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almost to the themselves at almost getting pulled over, which

523
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causes so much damage.

524
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Speaker 2: Hm.

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Speaker 1: It's a crazy scene. It's a crazy scene like it

526
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first relieved and then the crane's just sitting there on

527
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the edge and they're like whoo and they're like, oh shit,

528
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oh there it goes yeah.

529
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Speaker 2: Oh man. It's such a great moment. And this is

530
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this is good filmmaking, This is good tension building. This

531
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is all extremely exciting and like so the crane drops

532
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and you're like, oh crap, it's going to land on

533
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,279
top of the platform and who knows what it would

534
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,440
just break through and then water's coming in and all

535
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,079
these things. One of the but you mentioned like the sound.

536
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The sound design is brilliant because his sonar is picking

537
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:39,640
up the crane as it's dropping through the ocean towards

538
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them and potentially on top of them. And you just

539
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,400
hear the ping going boom boo boo boo boo boo

540
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boo as it's getting closer and closer, a little reminiscent

541
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,119
maybe of a motion tracker from aliens maybeways the aliens

542
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,599
get closer, boo boo boop. So yeah, great sound design.

543
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When that thing goes over the edge and almost drags

544
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them off the cliff, all hell breaks loose. Now there

545
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is water coming on board the vessel. And this is

546
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again when we come to like worst fears realized. Like

547
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I was just going to ask you what's your for?

548
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You know, the worst fear when being underwater, because being

549
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,119
a submarine in an enclosed space like that and filling

550
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up with water and you can't shut the door in

551
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time behind you, and then you just overcome with these

552
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,240
huge waves coming in because all the pressure, and then

553
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you drown or maybe you even do close the hatch

554
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and the hatch comes off its hinges and blows apart

555
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,599
at like at one hundred miles an hour. It hits

556
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,039
you in the face, like, I'm like, this is what

557
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,079
happens in the scene. Super intense.

558
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Speaker 1: Yeah, as much as I like submarine movies, there's no

559
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way I would ever go on one though. Yeah, I

560
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,680
don't know how those people did it. Hats off to them.

561
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Speaker 2: I just want to give a shout out to one

562
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moment in the scene too, which is great. So you know,

563
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,960
these compartments aboard this oil rig platform are filling with

564
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water because the hull has been breached, and so they

565
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:04,519
need to get from one apartment to the one compartment

566
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is flooding. They need to get out, close the door

567
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behind them to seal that off in order for the

568
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next compartment not to fill with water. We see crew

569
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members die at Harris manages to get out, but then, oh,

570
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what happens is one of the doors I think because

571
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it automatically starts closing, he sticks his hand in there

572
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:28,039
in his ring prevents it from closing because the ring. Yes, yes,

573
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that's a great moment. So the ring actually saves him,

574
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which he almost had thrown out and seen earlier down

575
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the toilet. I like that moment he gets out and

576
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he kisses the ring like, Oh my god, it's super

577
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super intense.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is fun. All right. Let us we

579
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have for favorite scenes next.

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Speaker 2: I have the water Tentacle visit. This is the iconic

581
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scene we all know it. I won't go into too

582
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,039
much detail. I just love again sound design the deep Core.

583
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The platform is entirely quiet. You get the sense it's night.

584
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You can't really tell under water, but it's Everyone is asleep,

585
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trying to get some rest, and we see the POV

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of something moving through the hallways of the deep Core platform,

587
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and then we start to see that it is a

588
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water tentacle. It literally looks like a tentacle, but just

589
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,920
made of water, made of seawater. And at one point

590
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it actually opens the hatch door, which I don't know

591
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,799
how it does, but comes into the compartment where Mary,

592
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:28,920
Elizabeth Masmtonio Ned Harris that's Lindsey and Bud Brigman are sleeping,

593
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and they awaken and are obviously freaked out to see

594
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this alien water tentacle life form approaching them. And then

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it pauses and it imitates them. It mimics their face

596
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and their facial movements, smiling and such, and it's just like,

597
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:47,480
how do they do that? How'd they do that? I

598
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:51,000
appreciate the performances from Masimontonia Net Harris because of their

599
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,960
just shock in awe, as well as the supporting cast

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when the others wake up as well. But it's just

601
00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:00,480
cool to watch the water move through the always through

602
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,839
the compartments, and then even when Michael Bean is the

603
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,799
asshole Navy seal lieutenant freaks out thinking it's the enemy

604
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:14,200
somehow or a Russian tech invader, he closes one of

605
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,920
the hatch doors, chopping the water in half. In the

606
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,279
water just then falls. A great scene. It's just all

607
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,359
special effects and it still holds up today. It feels real.

608
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It just looks cool, especially the reflections off the water

609
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:29,960
of the walls and then the people, and it's like,

610
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,480
how the hell did they do that? So it changed everything.

611
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really fun scene and very groundbreaking. So

612
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,839
another favorite scene and probably one of the most memorable

613
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,519
scenes of the movie is the Lindsay drowning scene. Yeah,

614
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even today watching it, it still gives me a little

615
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bit of anxiety because Bud and Lindsay had to give

616
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,599
chase to Michael Bean's character because he's going to drop

617
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a nuclear bomb. On the ntis the aliens that they

618
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,680
discover trying to stop him from making it happen, but

619
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unfortunately the submersi wilder in has sprung a leak that

620
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:09,240
they cannot stop and they only have one diving suit,

621
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and Lindsey comes up with the plan, which unfortunately does

622
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,279
make sense, is that she'd have to drown. The water's

623
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,000
cold enough to take her back to deep pore and

624
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
they should be able to revive her. Because but it's

625
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,880
a pretty good swimmer, and just that whole scene with

626
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,759
them sitting in the sub waiting for it to fill.

627
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,799
I don't know if I could do that. I don't

628
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:33,599
think I could do it worst night man. But it

629
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,200
makes sense because people are like, well, don't they just

630
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,440
start swimming. I'm like no, because she'd start panicking and

631
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:40,799
he could possibly drop her swimming back, so they have

632
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,359
to let it happen. Yeah, it's a powerful scene from her.

633
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,680
She does great in it. It stresses me out, even

634
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,880
though I know she's going to come back to the end.

635
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,440
It's stressful. It really works. And here they are in

636
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,519
this freezing cold water and he's like, he's telling her

637
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,319
to think of something. He's like, I'm gonna have to drown.

638
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,559
They don't have any better options. But luckily it works.

639
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Speaker 2: It's awful and it's amazing, and the performances are brilliant,

640
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:10,359
and it's so heart pounding and stressful, and it's literally heartbreaking.

641
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,559
I got very emotional throughout this entire sequence. Even though

642
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,200
I knew it was coming, I forgot about the scene

643
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:19,519
you just described so well happening within the submersible. I'm

644
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,039
going to take it a step back and just mention

645
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,920
there's like that whole scene when they are chasing or

646
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,359
being chased by Lieutenant Coffee, that's Michael Bean's character and

647
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,279
the other submersible. It's like demolition submersibles, but they get

648
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,359
the best of Michael Bean. And there's a great moment

649
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,759
when he loses power and his submersible starts falling through

650
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,559
and deeper deeper into the ocean, and of course it

651
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:43,440
comes to the pressure and he implodes. It's just like

652
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,519
a great moment when he sees it coming, the glasses

653
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:47,960
cracking and he just goes.

654
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,599
Speaker 1: That scene was kind of rough to watch, also, especially

655
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,200
what happened with the Titan a couple of years ago, correct,

656
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,160
and like, oh my god, that's what happened to those people.

657
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Mm hmm.

658
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: Hopefully it was quick, yeah, because that and that implosion

659
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,720
is it's hardcore. So and then, of course, like you said,

660
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,440
Bud and Lindsay aboard the other submersible they're taking out water.

661
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,960
But the fact that the water's rising and they're trying

662
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,599
to come up with ideas of how we got to think,

663
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,039
think we can figure this out. But she's like, no,

664
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:22,359
I have to. I can go into deep hypothermia. You

665
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,559
can bring me back, you can bring me back. And

666
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,240
it's so heartbreaking because you know, they love one another,

667
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,119
so I mean their still husband and wife, and they've

668
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,559
gone through so much throughout the film up to this

669
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,880
point that when she's saying, he's like, no, no, there's

670
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,119
got to be another way, and she's like, there is

671
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,240
no other way. Then he actually puts the helmet on

672
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,359
and is underneath the water and she's barely breathing, and

673
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,559
then she gets scared. She's so strong and brave throughout

674
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:52,039
the entire thing, but the water finally gets to where

675
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,119
she or she's almost underwater, and you can see how

676
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,680
scared she is, as any normal human being would be.

677
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And then she goes under and drowns and he's just

678
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,480
like no, and it's just like what, It's awful, and

679
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,839
then he has to tow her back to deep Core,

680
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,239
and so I'll just touch on this this entire scene.

681
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At the end, they bring her back aboard through the

682
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moon pool, on board the deep core platform and he's

683
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:25,000
performing CPR and then they have the fibrulators and it's

684
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:29,920
so into. Ed Harris is amazing in this scene because

685
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,239
it is relentless. He's just trying to bring her back

686
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,800
to life and there's just no signs of life coming

687
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,079
from her and it's the charging, charging clear that hole.

688
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,239
We go through that process. The whole crew is huddled

689
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,159
around them. She's not coming back and he won't give up.

690
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:50,559
And at one point they're like there's no response, give up,

691
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,320
and there's a real long pause, and then Ed Harris

692
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,800
is like, no, she wants to live. And he pushes

693
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,360
them back and he's like, let's zapp her again, and

694
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,079
he yells at her, goddamn it, you bitch. You've never

695
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:04,360
backed away from anything in your life. Now fight, and

696
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,039
he actually slaps her and he keeps yelling fight, fight

697
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,719
right now, do it, fight, goddamn it, fight, fight, fight,

698
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,480
and it's just I love it. I got teary eyed,

699
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,320
And of course she does then come back, she has revived,

700
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:21,519
and it's pretty incredible. So I love. Yeah.

701
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,119
Speaker 1: What I would say about the Vibe scene is I

702
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:27,639
don't like the fact that he slaps her. And I'm

703
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:30,079
sure any EMT would tell you the rest of the

704
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,639
crew wouldn't be given up that early. I unfortunately, was

705
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:35,079
a witness to a woman who had a heart attack

706
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,280
and the EMTs came out to revive her forty minutes

707
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,159
she was probably dead, but forty minutes they just kept

708
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:42,880
doing whatever they could to try to bring her back.

709
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,440
And then we're like, all right, that's it. Oh yeah.

710
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,719
They brought out some machine that was literally like forty

711
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,199
minutes punching into her chest to try to get it

712
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,639
to work, and she was just lying her the whole time,

713
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:54,639
and I'm like, oh my god, this is awful. So

714
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,119
the five minutes they were working on Lindsey, I'm like, nope.

715
00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:59,400
So you're saying, for realism's sake, we should have it

716
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,599
should have been a forty minutes. Well, I don't think

717
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,519
they would have just right, I know, but I don't

718
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:06,760
think they would have really given up as early as

719
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,960
they did. Maybe he's just getting more frustrated.

720
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, but although to me it feels like it does

721
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:14,119
feel like a long time, even though you are absolutely

722
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:17,079
correct it's technically not. You just wanted to come back

723
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:17,800
to life already.

724
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think really the rest of the crew

725
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,079
would have been like, oh, it's over, Bud. They would

726
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:23,480
have kept working on her. Yeah.

727
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I thought I found it very emotional.

728
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,079
Speaker 1: Gotcha anything else?

729
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: No, that's it for me.

730
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The last thing I have is just the

731
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,679
scene of Bud dropping down to the warhead and yeah,

732
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,880
of course, going and going and going and going down,

733
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,320
and then trying to communicate because he's using that flora car.

734
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,880
I don't even I can't even say that word.

735
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: Oxygenated floral carbon emulsion. Yes, it's the fluid breathing system.

736
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:53,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he has that so he can't speak and

737
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:56,400
he has to type everything out because he's going so deep.

738
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
But just the pressure and everyone's trying to talk to

739
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,119
him and he's trying to type. And it's how we

740
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,320
have the courage to do something like that. I mean,

741
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,159
it's a movie, but I mean it would have to

742
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,679
be done because they would all die it's Flash Gordon.

743
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,760
It's one life, one life for tens, well, no, maybe hundreds.

744
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,519
We don't know how many of those alien creatures they are.

745
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,239
But he's making the ultimate sacrifice. And just watch him

746
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,199
just go down, down, down, because it's probably a sixteen

747
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,559
foot wall that we see in pass like twelve times.

748
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,360
But it's still for me intense.

749
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: It is incredibly intense. It's something I always look forward

750
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:35,400
to watching in this movie because the science fiction of

751
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,119
it all. He's taking in that breathing fluid and then adjusts.

752
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,320
But it's smart filmmaking because of all the devices at

753
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,800
play that they're really the time constraint, the typing instead

754
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,000
of speaking, and because then he's getting colder and he's

755
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,920
succumbing to the nervous disorder and the typing becomes incomprehensible,

756
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:02,320
and it is one of the like the worst fear realized.

757
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,960
You're just going to sink in blackness and darkness in

758
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,840
the ocean for how many feet miles whatever. It's the

759
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,599
scariest thing.

760
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: Ever with hoping you will get to where you need

761
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,320
to go. Yeah, because big Geek's supposed to lead him

762
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,480
down to where the warhead is or little Geek is

763
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,039
supposed to lead him down, correct, but then little Geek

764
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:23,480
craps out and now now it's a crapshoot. They're going

765
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:23,960
to find it.

766
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many issues with that, but creates incredible tension

767
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,559
and it's great because they're on board the deep Court

768
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,679
speaking with him, and the dialogue is altered, like they're

769
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,719
talking into the microphone so he can hear them, but

770
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,920
he's just you know, responding by typing. All those little

771
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,679
things just build it all and it's great. And obviously

772
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,840
when he starts losing it as the deeper he goes

773
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,079
and then Masimtonio is getting emotional and telling him to fight,

774
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,559
it all works. It works great. Smart, it's really.

775
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,199
Speaker 1: Smart, right, and then they all think it's worse than

776
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,119
it is because it's like I see light down here, like,

777
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,360
oh no, it's really affecting them, but no, there's really

778
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:04,960
light down there.

779
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:07,599
Speaker 2: That's actual light. It's a great moment.

780
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:14,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, trying to move on to Swiss Cheese and

781
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,800
complaint Department and why do we call it Swiss.

782
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: Cheese Because although this movie is delicious, it does have

783
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,119
pressure hull breach holes.

784
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: Yes, if it doesn't have those pressure whole breach holes.

785
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,639
We follow a complaint with the complaint department. So, Jason,

786
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:29,800
what do you have for complaints for this?

787
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,599
Speaker 2: I had an issue here with the fact that Michael

788
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:38,159
Bean has Lieutenant Coffee. He's obviously sick with the pressure

789
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:43,400
induced psychosis, obviously, so why does his second in command

790
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:46,239
still follow him for so long? I just wish it

791
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,199
wasn't so obvious from the get.

792
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: I had the same thing. He never would have got

793
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,880
that far with this plan. Someone would have stopped him, Like, dude,

794
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:54,679
there's something.

795
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:59,119
Speaker 2: Absolutely Yeah, clearly, I think that's a direction and or

796
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:02,119
writing issue I have there, because it's one thing to

797
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:04,800
see Michael Bean with his shaky hand at the beginning,

798
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,199
You're like, oh shit, we know he's going to succumb,

799
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:10,599
but gets quick and all of a sudden he's showing

800
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,800
very visible signs, And if you're a second command, you'd

801
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,719
be like, uh uh, you are not in the right

802
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,119
mind to make any of these decisions. You're done, You're sidelined.

803
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: That's it, right. Yeah, maybe it would have been better

804
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,840
if they somehow locked him up, but he somehow still

805
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,559
escapes and great great things. Following through is the right

806
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:33,880
thing because of how he's affected. Yeah, but it's like,

807
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,400
how can you be following these orders when it's obvious

808
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,119
there's something wrong with them.

809
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: It was a little weird. Remember I had mentioned earlier

810
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,559
that there's a great scene between being in Mastonia and

811
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:48,559
he's trying to keep his cool but he's sweating bullets

812
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:52,039
and he's shaky as all hell. And then when they

813
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:56,800
leave the compartment, Lindsay is like, wait, what he's showing

814
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,760
signs of the sickness, Like, come on, you would know

815
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,639
she should know better than Yeah. Right, she was the

816
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:04,440
one that explained it to them in the beginning.

817
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,519
Speaker 1: I have the characters spend way too much time in

818
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:12,000
the freezing water. I mean, you heard that a fight

819
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:16,000
seeing off Coffee and Bud and Cat, and the amount

820
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,960
of time that they're in that water and they're always

821
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,559
jumping into the pool. I'm like, they'd all have hypotheramia

822
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:23,159
by now.

823
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 2: One thousand percent. I think about it all the time.

824
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,960
I'm watching it, Like, you do you know how freaking

825
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:29,719
cold that is?

826
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

827
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 2: Beyond cold, it's literally freezing. So yeah. I like the

828
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,559
performances when Budden has to swim from one hatch to

829
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,199
the only comes up through the moon pole and the

830
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,159
moon pool and is trying to be quiet as to

831
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:47,199
not alert Coffee to his presence. But and he's like

832
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,760
he's shivering and he's just barely he's just his muscles

833
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,920
have to be so tense and he's literally frozen.

834
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,519
Speaker 1: So that worked. That's more a little more realism there.

835
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,119
But the rest of the time, they're just like going

836
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,719
for it. Yeah, they have no problem jumping into I'm like,

837
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,840
no way that the water is like seventy degrees of

838
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,199
the ocean. It takes me five minutes to get in.

839
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:11,719
I'm not jumping twenty something.

840
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because now I

841
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:18,440
had a couple issues with this particular scene because at

842
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,320
this point in the movie, Lieutenant Coffee has locked himself

843
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,400
in the moon pool compartment room and he is pulling

844
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,840
this chain and he's very much going through this internal struggle.

845
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,679
It seems he's trying to figure out what the right

846
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,679
thing to do is or whatever the plan is going

847
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,440
to be. And he's yanking on this chain and you

848
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,719
hear the great noise of the chain links going through

849
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,000
like a pulley thing. Anyway, we know that he has

850
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:49,559
big geek strapped with the nuclear warhead, which he is

851
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:53,280
going to then submerse and send down to the Ntis

852
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,079
to blow them up. But he's not doing it. He's

853
00:42:56,119 --> 00:43:00,639
literally just sitting there and the flatbed submersible is prepped

854
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,960
with Big Geek in the warhead, but he hasn't sent

855
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,800
it down yet. He's just sitting there. He pulling on

856
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,840
this chain very kind of psychotically and methodically, and just

857
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,599
he's out of his mind. But then of course Bud

858
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,920
and Kat attack him, and also a couple things. Bud

859
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,320
at Harris, he goes for Lieutenant Coffee's gun, which I

860
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,480
really is the dumbest thing he could do. Yes, if

861
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:28,760
he isn't alerted to your presence, just go open the door.

862
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,719
Just open the door or take the tie off the door.

863
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,159
At least you have such a much better chance doing that.

864
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:39,400
And then obviously Bud and Kat now are they attack

865
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,159
Coffee and that sets Coffee off, and then he gets

866
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,000
into the submersible and the chase begins. He goes down

867
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:48,880
with Big Geek in the warhead, and I'm like, what

868
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:53,800
if they hadn't attacked him, it's their fault that he

869
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,320
took off. He wasn't good, he wasn't leaving. He wasn't

870
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,679
doing anything, which is weird. But he's just being crazy

871
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,000
sitting off to the side. So I think it's button

872
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,920
Cat's fault that that all happened.

873
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:13,639
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, yeah, yeah, maybe it's possible. So the last

874
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:17,880
shot of the Aliens, the closing, when the Alien city

875
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,719
comes up, Yeah, that does not work at all.

876
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,519
Speaker 2: The word I used right before we got on to

877
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:26,679
record when I was thinking about that because I wanted

878
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:30,000
to ask you how you felt about the finale was hokey.

879
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:36,920
It's a bit hokey for me. It just looks a

880
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,360
little silly. I don't know. If it's the design of

881
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,039
the alien city ship whatever rises to the surface and

882
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,360
then we're supposed to believe that they didn't have to

883
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,719
go through decompression because it's alien technology whatnot. That's fine,

884
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:55,480
but it just feels like it's way too much and

885
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:58,000
it's just kind of gaudy and weird looking and not

886
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,920
it happens so quickly too. Maybe I don't know. I wasn't.

887
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,400
I wasn't sold on it.

888
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,679
Speaker 1: Either, No, because the whole thing is we have Lindsay

889
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:13,840
early on talk about how everything feels so organic, unman made,

890
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,239
and then when this floating city comes up. Yeah, it

891
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,000
looks like a prop made of metal or something. Yeah,

892
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:25,079
that's the exact opposite of what we were led to believe.

893
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,480
It just didn't look well at all.

894
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,199
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you make a great point. There's so

895
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,119
much detail in all aspects of the sets throughout this film,

896
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:35,960
and then you get to the finale and this giant

897
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,639
thing where you feel like it's going to look like

898
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,119
the giant ship from the end of Close Encounters, right

899
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,039
where versus in this case, it's just kind of this

900
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,320
very glossy, purplish behemoth entity thing, and it's like, oh, okay,

901
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:50,519
it's not impressive, it's just.

902
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like someone built this shiny metal thing and

903
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,480
then splattered peptobismol over it.

904
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,119
Speaker 2: Yes, that's great. Yeah. The only other thing I was

905
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:04,559
going to say is when you were talking about your

906
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:08,039
last favorite scene, which is fantastic with Bud making his

907
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,960
descent and then of course the power goes, lights go out.

908
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,800
I think it's pretty damn lucky that he ends up

909
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,000
landing right next to Big Geek where Big Geek had

910
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:20,199
landed with the warhead. Oh yeah, I mean he lands

911
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,199
directly next to like he's in he's falling through the

912
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,280
ocean in the dark, with no guidance whatsoever, and he

913
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,639
just happens to fall directly onto the ledge where big

914
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:33,440
Geek is resting.

915
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: I would say little Geek maybe got him eighty percent

916
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,119
of the way. So as as I hit the wall,

917
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,000
I will give you that. I will give you that.

918
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:44,400
But it still was like, no, it's it's needle and

919
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:44,960
a haystack.

920
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: All right, that's all I got.

921
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:50,199
Speaker 1: Okay, time to move on to Hey, it's that actor.

922
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,599
All right, So this segment with spotlight a character actor

923
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:55,639
you have seen in many other films, an actor making

924
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,000
their big screen debut, or an actor that makes an

925
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:02,159
uncredited cameo. Hey, it's actor, who do we choose this week?

926
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:05,079
Speaker 2: This week we've chosen for our Hey, it's that actor

927
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:10,280
Brad Sullivan. Brad Sullivan, he is in the opening sequence

928
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,519
only in this film because he is aboard the USS Montana,

929
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,320
which of course meets its demise and crashes and everyone

930
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,960
aboard drowns. But he, I think, is credited as executive.

931
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,119
He's one of the main, like one of the officers

932
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:28,719
aboard this sub and the sonars going off and they

933
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,760
think a Russian sub is either approaching or about to attack,

934
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,280
but it's really the aliens that are traveling at supersonic

935
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,400
speeds all around them. Anyway, he's in that scene very recognizable.

936
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:43,559
Brad Sullivan is a Chicago born actor and Korean War veteran.

937
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:47,599
He grew up in Massachusetts. Is known as a reliable

938
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:51,559
player of stoic military types on stage, and he was

939
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:55,760
best remembered for his despicable bad guy roles on film.

940
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:59,880
Here is a little bit of his filmography Snapshot. He

941
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,199
was in The Sting. He played the role of cole

942
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,239
and that's from nineteen seventy three. And the Sting, of

943
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,480
course was directed by George roy Hill and that'll come

944
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:14,239
back later. He's also the character Wanchuck in Slapshot in

945
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,760
nineteen seventy seven. But let's move on to the eighties.

946
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:19,239
He does both films and TV movies in a bunch

947
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,159
of TV series. He was in The Island in eighty

948
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,360
and then Ghost Story in eighty one, Cold River in

949
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,840
eighty two, and yes, he was in an episode of

950
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,840
Miami Vice plays the role of Jack Coleman in season three,

951
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,159
episode fifteen, Duty and Honor, and that was in nineteen

952
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:39,000
eighty seven. Then He's in a couple of other things

953
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:40,480
here in eighty seven. You may have heard of these

954
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:44,199
films Ten Men. Then he's in The Untouchables as the

955
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,280
mobster George, and then of course he's in Funny Farm

956
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,400
and Funny Farm in nineteen eighty eight was directed by

957
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,000
George roy Hill. I said he was going to come back, right.

958
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:55,639
He was also in Dead Bang in eighty nine, The

959
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:57,920
Dream Team in eighty nine, and then this The Abyss

960
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,360
and eighty nine as well into the nineties. One of

961
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,559
his more memorable roles, even though I've not seen this film,

962
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:05,440
but that's what all the research says is. He plays

963
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,639
the role of Henry Wingo in the film The Princes

964
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:12,320
of Tides, where I believe he's Nick Nolty's abusive father.

965
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,599
Then he does sister act to the Jerky Boys Canadian Bacon.

966
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:18,440
He was in twenty episodes of a TV series called

967
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:21,119
Nothing Sacred where he plays the role of Father Leo.

968
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,679
That was from ninety seven to ninety eight, and looks

969
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,840
like he shut it down in or around the year

970
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,320
two thousand and then sadly passed away in two thousand

971
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,440
and eight at age seventy seven. So there you go.

972
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:34,880
Great character actor Brad Sullivan.

973
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: Brad Sullivan, love them and slapshot all right. Time to

974
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,480
move on to facts and trivia. What are some facts

975
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,679
in trivia we have about the Abyss? And there is

976
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,800
a boat load, so it's kind of hard to narrow

977
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,280
it down.

978
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, Well, I'll start with this. HG. Wells

979
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,360
was the first to introduce the notion of intelligent life

980
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,800
in the deep ocean in his eighteen ninety seven short

981
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,639
story in the Abyss. The idea for the Abyss came

982
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,320
to James Cameron when, at age seventeen and in high school,

983
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,679
he attended a science lecture about deep sea diving by

984
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,840
a man, Francis J. Felechik, who was the first human

985
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,400
to breathe liquid through his lungs in experiments conducted by

986
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,599
Johannes A. Kilstra at Duke University. He subsequently wrote a

987
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,400
short story that focused on a group of scientists in

988
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,360
a laboratory at the bottom of the ocean.

989
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: Before filming even started, the cast had to become fully

990
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,000
certified divers, and not just basic certification either. They were

991
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,280
put through a course that's normally reserved for diving instructors,

992
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:41,039
and because so much of the movie was shot underwater,

993
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:44,199
the actors had to go through decompression procedure every time

994
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,360
they finished filming for the day. The physical toll was

995
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,360
intense at Harris in particular, suffered onset injuries serious enough

996
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,719
that he almost had a turn down future roles after

997
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,320
production wrapped. And it wasn't just the actors. Some crew

998
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,039
members spent nearly the entire day under wall for months

999
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:05,360
on end, and the constant exposure to chlorine actually bleached

1000
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,760
their hair completely white.

1001
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:10,559
Speaker 2: The breathing fluid used in the film actually exists, but

1002
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:14,079
has only been thoroughly investigated in animals over the previous

1003
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:17,559
twenty years. It has been tested on several animals who survived.

1004
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,039
The rat shown in the film was actually breathing liquid

1005
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:24,079
and survived unharmed. Production consulted with doctor Kilstra on the

1006
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:26,440
proper use of the breathing fluid for the film, and

1007
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:29,760
Harris did not actually breathe the fluid. He held his

1008
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:33,119
breath inside a helmet full of liquid while being towed

1009
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:37,280
thirty feet below the surface of a large tank. He

1010
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,519
recalled that the worst moments were being towed with fluid

1011
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:45,079
rushing up his nose and his eyes swelling up. Ooh yeah,

1012
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,400
that sounds fun. Yeah it does. About forty percent of

1013
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,360
the movie was actually shot underwater. To pull that off,

1014
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,519
the filmmakers built two massive tanks inside an abandoned nuclear

1015
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,280
power plant near Gaffney, South Carolina, and nothing about it

1016
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,360
was easy. They had to invent new technology just to

1017
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,480
film the underwater scenes properly. On the very first day,

1018
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:08,239
the main tank sprang, The league forced in deduction to

1019
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,440
shut down while damn repair experts were brought in. As

1020
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,119
if that wasn't enough, a lightning storm later ripped apart

1021
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:17,239
the tarp covering the tank, which meant the crew could

1022
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:18,840
only shoot at night for the.

1023
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: Rest of the schedule. I heard at one point they

1024
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,679
put like little plastic balls on the top of the

1025
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,320
tank right dark it out after the tarp incident.

1026
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:32,639
Speaker 2: To create the alien water tentacle, Cameron initially considered cell animation,

1027
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,559
or a tentacle sculpted in clay and then animated via

1028
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,039
stop motion techniques with water reflections projected onto it. Phil

1029
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:45,280
Tippett suggested Cameron contact Industrial Light and Magic Yes IOLM.

1030
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,480
The special visual effects work was divided up among seven

1031
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:51,840
VFX divisions, with motion control work by dream Quest Images

1032
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,280
and Computer Graphics and Opticles by ILM. ILM designed a

1033
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,920
program to produce surface waves of differing sizes and kinetic

1034
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,280
properties for the pseudopod. I guess that's what they're calling it.

1035
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,119
The water Tentacle, which was referred to by ILM informally

1036
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:10,559
as the water Weenie for the moment where it mimics

1037
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:13,239
budd and Lindsay's faces. Ed Harris had eight of his

1038
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,360
facial expression scanned, while twelve of Masterroumtonio's were scanned via

1039
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,519
software used to create CGI sculptures. The set was photographed

1040
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:25,639
from every angle and digitally recreated so that the pseudopod

1041
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:29,800
could be accurately composited into the live action footage.

1042
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: So during the rigorous and problematic shoot, the cast and

1043
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,239
crew began calling the film by various derogatory names such

1044
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,320
as Son of Abyss, the Abuse, and Life's Abyss and

1045
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,000
then you die, Life's Abyss and.

1046
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,519
Speaker 2: Then you die. Those are great. I did laugh when

1047
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:53,800
I read that. Lastly, I've got James Cameron's brother, Mike Cameron,

1048
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:57,360
plays a dead crewman inside the sunken submarine from the

1049
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,480
beginning of the movie. To accomplish this, he had to

1050
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:02,320
hold his breath under twenty five feet of water while

1051
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,920
also allowing a crab to crawl out of his mouth.

1052
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,760
The shot took five takes, and Mike had to crush

1053
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:12,239
the crab twice because Jim took too long to set

1054
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,559
the lights. It's for those of you who haven't seen

1055
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,239
it as a creepy moment where obviously it's Mike Cameron

1056
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,159
playing the role, but it's supposed to be a dead

1057
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,199
seaman and crew member of this sub and he's floating

1058
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,239
in the water and you see crabs coming out of

1059
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,519
his mouth. It's really gross.

1060
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,199
Speaker 1: Freaked out jammer, Oh yeah, freak me out too. Man,

1061
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,360
as well as my brother and I get along. I

1062
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,000
don't think we could ask one another to do that.

1063
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,719
That might be asking a little too much.

1064
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: Look, it's just it's a quick shot. You just got

1065
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,760
to hold your breath under twenty five feet of water

1066
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,599
and let this crab crawl out of your mouth. Cool

1067
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:43,559
with that, let's go all right?

1068
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: Action?

1069
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:44,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? What?

1070
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: Wait?

1071
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,119
Speaker 2: What?

1072
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: Okay? Moving on to box office, So The Abyss was

1073
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,159
released on August ninth in fifteen hundred and thirty three

1074
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,800
theaters with a production budget of roughly seventy million, one

1075
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,400
of the highest of the late nineteen eighties. The Abyss

1076
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,679
went on to grow approximately fifty four million in North

1077
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:08,400
America and thirty five million internationally. Worldwide total near ninety million.

1078
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:11,480
It opened number two at the box office, right behind Parenthood,

1079
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,639
and would stay in the top ten for another six weeks.

1080
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,639
The Abyss ended up being the twenty fourth highest grossing

1081
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:21,119
movie in the United States. The movie ultimately recouped much

1082
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,880
of its investment through home video and television licensing, transforming

1083
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,000
it into a cult favorite. Moving on to reviews. When

1084
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,119
growing up in the eighties, we'd watch at the movies

1085
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,480
with Gene Cisco and Roger Ebert to hear their reviews

1086
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:35,719
and watch clips of upcoming movies. Their review of The

1087
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,880
Abyss was unanimous two thumbs up. Jeane enjoyed the underwater

1088
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,159
adventure in action, but didn't care for the aliens subplot.

1089
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,159
Roger really enjoyed the special effects and felt the movie

1090
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,880
was quite convincing and fun. Overall, both agreed they weren't

1091
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,480
too excited about the ending. No surprise there. Rotten Tomatoes

1092
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,880
gives it a Tomato Beer score of seventy six percent,

1093
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,719
with the Popcorn Meter score of eighty three percent, and

1094
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,239
all so has an IMDb rating of seven point five.

1095
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,000
So this takes us to additional thoughts and questions. We

1096
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,960
have any additional thoughts and questions about the Abyss?

1097
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:12,679
Speaker 2: I don't have much here. Let's just go over the

1098
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,719
sub movies that I can name off the top of

1099
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,960
my head, which I named earlier. But do you have

1100
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:20,199
a favorite overall? Would you go with the Hunt for

1101
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:26,079
at October? Crimson Tide, The Abyss, Dust Boot? What's the menu?

1102
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:28,199
Matthew McConaughey one? Is that U five four to one?

1103
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: Thing like that?

1104
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:29,559
Speaker 2: Well?

1105
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: I saw it in the theater and the sound and

1106
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,280
that was awesome. There you go, I'm getting the number wrong.

1107
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,119
I think I apologize. What was the Then there's the

1108
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:40,960
Harrison Ford one? What was the k The Widow Maker? Yes?

1109
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,679
Thank you? Yeah, one of my favorites. It's an old one.

1110
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:48,400
It's Kerry Grant and Tony Curtis, Operation Petticoat and it's

1111
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,000
it's more of a comedy, sure, but that one. My

1112
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:52,519
dad used to watch that one all the time and

1113
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,000
I would watch that with him, and anytime it's on

1114
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,079
Turner Classic, it's a must watch, all right, it's I

1115
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:00,920
stop what I'm doing, lots the rest of it. So

1116
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,760
that's definitely one of my favorites. Of course, the Hunt

1117
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,239
for October Doss Boot is really good. I really can't

1118
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,719
think of anyone that I didn't like. I mean, there's

1119
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,679
always that scene in every submarine movie where they're especially

1120
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,320
if you watch the World War two ones where they're

1121
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,880
going through the ocean and the destroyers who jumping the

1122
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:22,079
bombs and they're just the sonar and then just shakes

1123
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:24,239
a little bit and springs the leak here there and

1124
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,599
everybody's got to run and fix things. It gets me

1125
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:27,639
every time, oh.

1126
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:31,079
Speaker 2: One thousand percent. And it's the ping is always it

1127
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:31,360
for me.

1128
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:36,159
Speaker 1: Yes, the bing and also of course that's one of

1129
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:39,320
my favorite parts of the Hunt for October, which with

1130
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,119
Connor eg Yes, one ping, one ping only.

1131
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: It's great stuff. By the way, corrections and reattractions, but

1132
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,360
Mark just corrections. It is U five seven to one

1133
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,679
was the mcconnie film, and it's K nineteen not K nineteen.

1134
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,880
The Widow Maker was the gotta Harrison Ford doing a

1135
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:00,199
brilliant accent in that one.

1136
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I still like it though.

1137
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,159
Speaker 2: Hey, it's Sarason Ford, he does no wrong in my book.

1138
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I had this thought watching the movie. So we

1139
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,719
have that scene when they demonstrate the floor of carbon

1140
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,000
whatever it's called. I apologize and they're using the rat. Yes,

1141
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:17,280
And then I thought to myself, was that the same

1142
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,519
stuff that but ended up slurping in later on? I mean,

1143
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:22,480
how much of that stuff did they have? How gross

1144
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,679
is that? Because you know, the rat's shitting there like

1145
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:30,599
twelve times while I was under Absolutely, let's started grossing

1146
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:30,920
me out.

1147
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:34,039
Speaker 2: These are the things we think about, and you would

1148
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,400
be correct. Yes, yeah, I didn't realize that. You said

1149
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,880
you'd like K nineteen Widow Maker that was directed by

1150
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:40,840
Catherine Bigelow.

1151
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, but it got hammered. That movie that

1152
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:48,199
did not do well with critics or box office wise.

1153
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:50,280
But I went I saw it in the theater. I

1154
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:50,719
didn't care.

1155
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:54,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, because there's it's still your fun, right.

1156
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:58,639
Speaker 1: The whole thing is that so it's a nuclear sub

1157
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,920
and there's a leak and they have to send people

1158
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,280
in there to fix it, and basically if you go

1159
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,400
in there, you're going to die because you got exposed.

1160
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,639
And these poor kids are like eighteen nineteen years old,

1161
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,679
who's their first time out in sea and he's got

1162
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:14,719
to send to their death and it's brutal.

1163
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:18,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yes, I was mentioning Catherine Bigelow because she

1164
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:22,840
was married to Cameron. That's true, A brief, brief time there. Anyway,

1165
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,760
Did you have any thoughts, deep questions special Edition?

1166
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: Did you ever see it? What did you think?

1167
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,159
Speaker 2: I have it's been some time. I actually have a

1168
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:35,719
description of the special Edition right in front of me

1169
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,519
at this moment, and after reading it once again, yes,

1170
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:43,280
far as I recalled, it added a little bit for

1171
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,599
me regarding the aliens being a little concerned about how

1172
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,599
humans are treating the planet, treating one another, and you know,

1173
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,719
using that kind of screen in their underwater city to

1174
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,800
show Bud these images of war and aggression. And then

1175
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,239
I guess it says here, Yeah, Bud asks the aliens

1176
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:07,320
why they spared the humans, and they show Bud the

1177
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,320
message that he sends to Lindsay that he types before,

1178
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,159
which was I now even forget what the message is?

1179
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,199
The one way ticket, the one yes, thank you. Yeah,

1180
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:19,039
I knew this was a one way ticket. So they

1181
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:22,920
see hope in Bud, and thus they decide to save

1182
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,599
him and save the crew. So yeah, I just don't

1183
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:27,880
have a strong feeling one way or another. The entire

1184
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,280
ending is a little it's a little much, I think.

1185
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:36,440
So there's such a science fiction aspect to this film yet,

1186
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:39,519
and I understand that there are fantastical elements and obviously

1187
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:42,960
underwater alien creatures, but there's something about them that feel

1188
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,480
tangible and realistic in a science fiction kind of way.

1189
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,920
So when it gets to the whole ending, the whole

1190
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,280
thing just feels a little overwhelming because of there's a

1191
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,800
slight hoking nature to it. Still, even I believe in

1192
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,079
the special edition that's maybe not fair. I haven't seen

1193
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:00,840
in a while. What are your feelings on theah It

1194
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,760
definitely pushes the more of the Cold War.

1195
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,679
Speaker 1: Element at the time, because there's a lot of They

1196
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:08,239
show a lot of like broadcast of what's going on

1197
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,280
above water, and the Russians are accusing the US. US

1198
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,599
is accusing Russians and feel like we're going to be

1199
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:17,400
the brink of war. And then the aliens do the

1200
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:21,360
tidal waves that are hanging over the coasts right, Yeah,

1201
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,159
they're about to unleash mass destruction on Yeah, but there

1202
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:27,840
is a lot of little things that happened throughout the

1203
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,920
movie itself that people get a little more time to

1204
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,840
shine throughout. Correct, it still doesn't save the ending, though, Yeah,

1205
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,840
there's more of a message on it, like hey, let's

1206
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,960
all get along as compared to the regular edition. I

1207
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:43,159
like it, but I think is still the same. If

1208
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:45,880
it changed the ending, maybe, but yeah, if I can

1209
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,920
watch more of it, sure, why not, I'll do it.

1210
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, all in But yeah, you see those themes again,

1211
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,320
like an Avatar and such that, the similar themes about

1212
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,119
us destroying the planet and then the Aliens trying to

1213
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,840
save it or send a message. I'm glad you brought

1214
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,280
up the fact that we did not touch upon really

1215
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,280
the political tensions that are happening, especially in the beginning

1216
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,079
of this film, because once the USS Montana goes down

1217
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:12,000
in the beginning, then you know, we the Americans are

1218
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:15,840
assuming it was the Russians, and then the Russians show

1219
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,960
up and there's these and I was going to ask you,

1220
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,320
and I should have asked this in additional questions, was

1221
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,719
that did you feel the movie lost any tension once

1222
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:30,280
that subplot no pun intended, basically went away. We understand

1223
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,079
that Lieutenant Coffee is nerve thinking that the Aliens somehow

1224
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,599
are were maybe developed by the Russians or working in

1225
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:40,719
tandem with the Russians. But it felt as though the

1226
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,239
whole Russians versus the US and the political tent kind

1227
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,119
of dissipated about a third to a halfway through the

1228
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:49,719
movie and wasn't really addressed after a while.

1229
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: Part of me is glad that it's sound in there

1230
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,079
because of that. It really makes the movie feel data

1231
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,599
not like we have pre sure relations with Russia right now,

1232
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,440
But I mean back then, man, it was we used

1233
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,079
to talk about nuclear war all the time, and I

1234
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:07,000
thought that was going to happen. Y, No, it didn't.

1235
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:10,440
It didn't bother me that much. I mean, okay, Russians

1236
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,239
were always the bad guys in the eighties, so it

1237
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,679
was good that they just kind of swept that under

1238
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:15,719
the rud quickly.

1239
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mostly agree. I didn't think it was even

1240
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,360
really that necessary. I mean, obviously it adds tension to

1241
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,119
the beginning of the film, but they probably could have

1242
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:26,760
just not addressed it at all after the opening sequence,

1243
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,519
and I would have been fine, Right, I'm more involved

1244
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:32,440
with these crew members just trying to survive underwater with

1245
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:36,159
this Navy Seal team and their different agendas, and then

1246
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:39,440
also obviously the alien element, which is really cool, so.

1247
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. And then lastly, I read this.

1248
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:45,440
I don't know if this is true or not, but

1249
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,840
according to the novelization, it's the aliens that actually bring

1250
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,800
Lindsay back to life, and they're the ones that kind

1251
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,480
of give Cap the motivation to keep going. Got it.

1252
01:03:58,119 --> 01:03:58,719
I like that.

1253
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,719
Speaker 2: I'd like that a lot actually, like they're just giving

1254
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,719
him a little helpful nudge here and there. Yeah, a

1255
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,400
little subtle support. Hmm. That's cool.

1256
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: But I can't remember who wrote the novelization. I apologize.

1257
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,880
I'm sure it was Dean Foster. Thank you, Alan, Dean Foster,

1258
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,599
that's who wrote it. I'm sure, yes, all right. So

1259
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:20,800
whoever was screaming at the radio right now, like Alan D. Foster,

1260
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,360
come on, say it, we did it. We got there

1261
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:23,639
for you.

1262
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: They probably think we were gonna go like highbrow and

1263
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,159
go like yeah, like Arthur C. Clark you know, yeah, no, no,

1264
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:31,079
Valentine Foster.

1265
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: No, we were thinking, okay, time to move on to

1266
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,920
our rating. So Jason, on a scale of one to five,

1267
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,320
NTI's which you give the abyss?

1268
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:46,199
Speaker 2: Yes, four NTI's is what I'm giving it solid four nts.

1269
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,920
What is non terrestrial intelligence? That is the acronym. Correct,

1270
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,000
we didn't atually don't think we actually said that earlier. No,

1271
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:57,679
we did not, So yes, four non Terrestrial Intelligentsia is. Yeah,

1272
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:04,280
this is a groundbreaking film. It's another entertaining roller coaster

1273
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,320
of a ride. The concept is sound and solid and

1274
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,639
just provides so much tension and anxiety and the movie

1275
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,519
moves a quick clip. I'm just going to reiterate what

1276
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:20,239
you said earlier, Bill, is that you see again the

1277
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,360
blueprint for what is to come from Cameron here, especially

1278
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,239
with the T one thousand and T two and that

1279
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,920
water tentacle sequence again is one of the most talked

1280
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,519
about sequences in nineteen eighty nine from Cinema can't get

1281
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:37,760
enough of Ed Harris. I thought his chemistry with Macentonia

1282
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,639
was great. I thought they were great together. They really

1283
01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:44,159
are at each other's throats and you're like, wow, these two.

1284
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,039
I can see why they separated, and then you can

1285
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:48,039
see why they love each other as well, and they

1286
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:51,360
sell their relationship very well. I bought into it. So

1287
01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:57,039
the ensemble cast, the action, set pieces, the sets, it's

1288
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:01,280
such an immense production, even if you don't care for

1289
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,199
elements of the story or even from my perspective, some

1290
01:06:05,239 --> 01:06:08,920
aspects of the dialogue. And of course we talked about

1291
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:13,760
the ending being a little bit weak. It's such a

1292
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:18,880
huge accomplishment that you are in awe the scope of

1293
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,599
you just want to watch it and look at it

1294
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:25,440
because it's so cool and it makes it made me

1295
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,840
feel something on this rewatch, which I was surprised by

1296
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,840
the ending I got. I did get emotional when they

1297
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,960
were trying to revive Lindsey, so I was moved. I

1298
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:37,280
enjoyed it. I enjoyed the rewatch.

1299
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,039
Speaker 1: It's a yeah, it's an important film for a few

1300
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,760
different reasons. So for ntis for me. Yeah, for me,

1301
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,599
it's four and a half nice. I like the cast

1302
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:48,280
in this, I like the music in this. I like

1303
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,159
the setup in this. I like the setting and this

1304
01:06:52,159 --> 01:06:56,559
it's the ending. That's that's it. But I enjoy it

1305
01:06:56,639 --> 01:07:00,079
so much up to that point that it doesn't bother me.

1306
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,840
I'm a little letdown, but not letdown enough, and so

1307
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,199
that only not off a half for me. Every time

1308
01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:09,719
I watch it, I'm still like, how do they do this?

1309
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,960
How do they do that it does it for me.

1310
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,239
This movie's just in my wheelhouse. It's just an underwater

1311
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,719
culture that just really work.

1312
01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:20,079
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I just think you know again, I'm a

1313
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:23,760
terminator aliens and true lies guy. Maybe it's a that's

1314
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,760
just a taste thing, but can't deny that it's a

1315
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,360
smartly crafted film. James Cameron's a brilliant filmmaker.

1316
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:33,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I said, it's it's not his best movie.

1317
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:34,800
It just I don't know, it just appeals to me

1318
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:35,199
the most.

1319
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:36,039
Speaker 2: That's cool.

1320
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: I respect that.

1321
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:38,119
Speaker 2: All right.

1322
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:40,679
Speaker 1: So that just about wraps it up for this week's episode.

1323
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,199
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01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,280
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01:07:47,519 --> 01:07:50,400
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01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,760
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We hope you joined us. Next time this we dive

1329
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:03,280
into another classic from the greatest movie decade ever in

1330
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,800
nineteen eighties. Till then, stay cool and have an excellent

1331
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:07,280
to everyone.

1332
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:10,719
Speaker 2: It's not easy being a cast iron bitch. It takes

1333
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,639
discipline in years of training, A lot of people don't

1334
01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:18,000
appreciate that Thanks for staying up with us, Goodnight World,