Speaker 1: Welcome to The Big Blue Insider, Thursday edition of our show.
Speaker 1: It's a special edition of The Big Blue Insider because
Speaker 1: the Chain Gang is here. The Garage Guys is the subtitle,
Speaker 1: but it's Darren Headrick, the radio voice of UK baseball
Speaker 1: and women's basketball, Doug Flynn, the gold Glove winning infielder,
Speaker 1: former teammate of Pete Rose and of course a member
Speaker 1: of the Big Red Machine, gold glove winning infielder with
Speaker 1: the New York Mets, and my broadcast partner on SEC
Speaker 1: Plus for UK Baseball, as well as UK Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame baseball coach Keith Madison. We text each other every day,
Speaker 1: all day, it seems into the night, the wee hours
Speaker 1: and Keith lovely bride Sharon nicknamed us the Chain Gang.
Speaker 1: So every once in a while, if you follow our show,
Speaker 1: you know this that they assemble here in the garage
Speaker 1: and we talk about anything and everything baseball, football, basketball, music,
Speaker 1: no politics. But of course on this edition we're going
Speaker 1: to talk prose a lot of Pete Rose because he
Speaker 1: and Doug were buddies. They were tight up up until
Speaker 1: Pete passed away, and we'll talk about the controversy's surrounding
Speaker 1: Pete Rose. The lega of the complicated legacy is the
Speaker 1: way it's being put. But of course, Doug going to
Speaker 1: bat for his good friend, has done a lot of
Speaker 1: interviews this week for local TV. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's talked to any sports writers, but Doug rarely gives
Speaker 1: interviews and I'm not going to get into that. That's
Speaker 1: his personal business. But he does come on my show
Speaker 1: quite frequently and comes to the garage and we always
Speaker 1: have a ball and I get a lot of feedback
Speaker 1: from you all about that, which I do appreciate. So
Speaker 1: that's coming up in our very next segment and it
Speaker 1: will consume the rest of the show, if you will.
Speaker 1: But we need to talk about a couple of things.
Speaker 1: No football game this week, as you know, it's open date.
Speaker 1: But volleyball got a huge win last night, and it
Speaker 1: was a tough one, but they knocked off Oklahoma, took
Speaker 1: fives thirteenth rank Wildcats win it thanks to Brooklyn Delay
Speaker 1: and a lot of them. I mean, everybody played pretty well,
Speaker 1: but Brooklyn Delay had twenty five kills and it was
Speaker 1: the first five said match of the year that Kentucky
Speaker 1: was able to win, and they did it in historic
Speaker 1: Memorial Coliseum, Oklahoma, as you know, one of the new
Speaker 1: members of the Southeastern Conference. Not quite as accomplished at
Speaker 1: volleyball as it is at women's softball, not quite as
Speaker 1: good at volleyball as Texas is, but still a good team.
Speaker 1: And Kentucky's got significant injury problems, including Aaron Lamb, one
Speaker 1: of the Biggs who's been playing some of her best
Speaker 1: volleyball for her career this year. She missed the match,
Speaker 1: but Kentucky more than made up for Aaron Lamb's loss,
Speaker 1: so Wildcats with a big win over Oklahoma. As you know,
Speaker 1: the Tigers eliminated the Astros. I didn't realize that the
Speaker 1: Astros had been to the America League Championship Series, you know,
Speaker 1: one step away from the World Series seven straight seasons.
Speaker 1: But they aren't gonna get there now thanks to the
Speaker 1: young Tigers with a tiny payroll and forever more. I
Speaker 1: think the Astros are going to be the anti hero
Speaker 1: for so many people because they cheated their way to
Speaker 1: a World Series title a few years ago. And who's
Speaker 1: managing the Tigers? Aj Hintz, the gay to manage the
Speaker 1: Astros back then, for better or worse, you know, the
Speaker 1: Royals beat the Ools by one run again two to
Speaker 1: one after a one nothing win, so that eliminates Baltimore.
Speaker 1: The Mets and Brewers are tied up, Brewers winning last night,
Speaker 1: and the Padres eliminate the Braves. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of Braves fans around here, but Padres knocked them out.
Speaker 1: I think they're the now team in the playoffs, so
Speaker 1: keep an eye on them all right. Coming up next
Speaker 1: here in the garage, it's going to be Darren Hedrick,
Speaker 1: Keith Madison, and Doug Flynn. It's the Chain Gang, the
Speaker 1: garage guys today. That's the rest of the programs. So
Speaker 1: stay with us here on six point thirty wlap. The
Speaker 1: guys are here. It's the Chain Gang, the garage guys.
Speaker 1: Doug Flynn, go glove infielder, Keith Madison, Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: Kentucky Fields, Darren Hedrick, radio voice of the baseball Wildcats
Speaker 1: and UK Women's basketball. We play them in. We have
Speaker 1: not been in the garage. It's been a while, did we.
Speaker 1: I think we got together right after the World Series?
Speaker 1: Is that sounds college World Series and much to discuss.
Speaker 2: You've already got your snowman out the garage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the we've got the one that lights up.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Was he there? And June, he's been here.
Speaker 1: We just haven't lit him up. We've been lit up
Speaker 1: and he wasn't lit You know what I missed it, Darren.
Speaker 1: What I should have said is what snowman? Yeah, coach,
Speaker 1: are you seeing a snowman? Turn it? Maybe next time? Well,
Speaker 1: and here we are right in the middle of It's
Speaker 1: hard to believe it's the middle of football, but it's
Speaker 1: also a playoff time. The regular season just ended. But
Speaker 1: we must begin with Pete Rose, and we will get
Speaker 1: into the controversy as well. But I got to start
Speaker 1: with you, mister Flynn. And I have handled phone calls
Speaker 1: from other mediatlets trying to reach the elusive Doug Flynn.
Speaker 1: But obviously you're a teammate, you're a friend. Introduce you
Speaker 1: to your lovely bride. I got to think this was
Speaker 1: tough for you, and as you every guy should. Seems
Speaker 1: every time I talk to you, you say we've lost
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 3: Pete is the eighth one from our seventy five team. Wow,
Speaker 3: and next year being our fifty year reunion, it won't
Speaker 3: be coming any too soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the Grade eight is now down to the grade six,
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's you know, I think if we'd have
Speaker 3: heard he didn't look good, but there wasn't any rumors
Speaker 3: about him not feeling good or having any kind of issues.
Speaker 3: But it looks like that his heart just I know,
Speaker 3: he's doing the cartshow over the weekend. Looked like his
Speaker 3: heart went out on him. And I've talked to Marty today,
Speaker 3: I talked to Johnny and everybody just and even though
Speaker 3: we knew he didn't look good, everybody's still kind of shocked,
Speaker 3: you know, and pretty numb and larger than Rose. It's
Speaker 3: Peter Rose. Yeah, and it's kind of a good lesson.
Speaker 3: It's a wake up call again to say, you know,
Speaker 3: take care of yourself, be thankful for every day you
Speaker 3: wake up. This life's a blessing. And you just hate
Speaker 3: to see him have to end up like he did.
Speaker 1: But the coroner reports said, my pretension hardening of the arteries,
Speaker 1: heart disease. You know so much of it, yeah, from
Speaker 1: diabetes and being diabetic myself. I'm well schooled in a
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff. But like you said, Darren, you
Speaker 1: just don't think he Rose as being a mere mortal.
Speaker 4: No. I mean when you think about the career. He
Speaker 4: had twenty three seasons, ten straight years where he played
Speaker 4: ninety six percent of his games. I think he missed
Speaker 4: like four over a ten year stretch. All time winning
Speaker 4: his player hit king, forty four game hit streak, three
Speaker 4: time World Champion, seventeen time All Star. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: one of the greatest careers anybody could have in the
Speaker 4: history of Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he have the record as well obviously for singles?
Speaker 4: Yeah, at bat bats, doubles, I think he's second in
Speaker 4: doubles now games played, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just incredible. And coach, you knew him, of course when
Speaker 1: you were a younger minor leaguer and then through the years.
Speaker 1: But he was a guy who wasn't supposed to make it.
Speaker 1: That's what amazed me the most. Was kind of a
Speaker 1: pudgy kid from Cincinnati, was at Western Hills High School,
Speaker 1: and yet he comes in with a flat top and just.
Speaker 2: Stick That's right. You know, he didn't even play he
Speaker 2: didn't get to play sports a senior in high school.
Speaker 2: Why academics, no kidding. Yeah, he he got cut from
Speaker 2: the football team one year, like I think it was
Speaker 2: a sophomore year, and he just kind of gave up
Speaker 2: on live football was so big to him at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he just kind of gave up on life and
Speaker 2: and al I wouldn't say life, but on on doing
Speaker 2: anything positive and and just didn't didn't go to class
Speaker 2: and didn't do well and and all that. But you know,
Speaker 2: he he got his chance and he made the best
Speaker 2: of it. And until I read that book Charlie Hustle,
Speaker 2: I didn't know this, but he played on his first
Speaker 2: year at the minor leagues. He played on the worst
Speaker 2: team in all of professional baseball, really, and Tony Prez
Speaker 2: was on a team. And even with those two on
Speaker 2: the team, they still lost more games than any other
Speaker 2: professional base Wow. And and the fans weren't coming out
Speaker 2: until they started watching Pete Rose. The fans didn't come back.
Speaker 2: And when he started playing like we know that Pete plays,
Speaker 2: the fans got into it and and the fans started
Speaker 2: coming back. Uh. So that was interesting to read. The
Speaker 2: first half of that book is awesome because it talks
Speaker 2: about Pete's journey. The second half I kind of wish
Speaker 2: I had read it. Which book is this? It's called
Speaker 2: Charlie Hustle.
Speaker 3: Oh, is that one by Keith O'Brien.
Speaker 2: Yeah, came out this summer.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, I mean just for me even
Speaker 2: I knew Pete a little bit, not nearly as well
Speaker 2: as Doug, but but he was good to me, you know.
Speaker 2: He he treated me like he treated the big league guys.
Speaker 2: Took me a couple of places with him, and I
Speaker 2: don't know why, but I would just.
Speaker 1: Lucky you were a baseball professional. Yeah, and I got
Speaker 1: to think in his eyes that elevated you did.
Speaker 3: And he had a tendency to take all the young
Speaker 3: players under his wing. I've listened to the talk shows
Speaker 3: recently yesterday, which is unusual for you, which very unusual
Speaker 3: for me, and to hear all the bad stuff that
Speaker 3: people are saying about Pete, about his character and everything.
Speaker 3: I even listened to Mossi's story last night, and you know,
Speaker 3: I gotta think Pete was just having fun with those guys.
Speaker 3: He would never because there was no one better with
Speaker 3: the media than him win or lose. So I would
Speaker 3: think it was just taken wrong and he was just
Speaker 3: having a little fun with the kids.
Speaker 1: And Doug's referring to a young reporter going into the
Speaker 1: Red's clubhouse and trust me, this guy is a good guy,
Speaker 1: John Jury, but had that kind of face, that cherubic face,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Pete sized him up as a new guy.
Speaker 1: And I would almost see that as a badge of honor.
Speaker 1: If you're treated like that, be one of the guys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're one of the guys. I've been indoctrinated, initiated.
Speaker 3: Then I heard some on another show, somebody call in
Speaker 3: and say, well, Pete was just a bad man. He
Speaker 3: was just a bad person, and I almost I started
Speaker 3: to call and then he went right to the news,
Speaker 3: and I was going to go on there and say
Speaker 3: I was going to defend my friend. Basically, I was
Speaker 3: gonna do this. If you know, don't say it. The
Speaker 3: guy made a mistake. I mean, but do you get
Speaker 3: on there and say that you don't know all the
Speaker 3: good stuff he did that he never got publicized, So
Speaker 3: don't be coming under saying kind of stuff. So I
Speaker 3: told someone, if you want to talk to me about Pete,
Speaker 3: let's talk about the Pete that I know. Yeah, we're
Speaker 3: not going to talk about the one you hear read
Speaker 3: about some of the mistakes he made, But I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you about a lot of the good stuff Pete
Speaker 3: Rose did for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Doug, I know you tend to stay off social media
Speaker 4: almost entirely, but I just want you to know that
Speaker 4: the day Pete passed away, no one McCarthy immediately reposted
Speaker 4: the video of the two the moment you two had
Speaker 4: at the World Series with Pete Rose text message, and
Speaker 4: I just want I hope Pete knows that that meant
Speaker 4: the world to that young man to hear from Charlie
Speaker 4: Hustle about his diving to home.
Speaker 1: I just watched that, rewatched the video and I think
Speaker 1: I think it was on your site.
Speaker 4: I reposted it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would had watched that, and then I wasn't
Speaker 1: there at the stadium and the dugout at the time.
Speaker 1: But that was so cool that you were able to
Speaker 1: share that with knowlan.
Speaker 3: Well and even now, how much more special is it now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely? You know what what hasn't been mentioned yet
Speaker 2: that I'd like to mention is when I was a
Speaker 2: young guy playing high school baseball, and even even before
Speaker 2: Pete Rose made it cool to hustle, you know, the
Speaker 2: way he played the game, and every chance I got,
Speaker 2: I watched the Reds when he was just coming up
Speaker 2: and the way he ran the bases, the way he
Speaker 2: sprinted the first base on a walk. Man, the guy
Speaker 2: was a baseball player, you know he and he, I
Speaker 2: mean he was an example for all great athletes in
Speaker 2: all sports to give your best every at bat, every
Speaker 2: time you get on base. He was always given his best.
Speaker 3: And he loved the game. He literally had fun with
Speaker 3: all the aspects of the game. He had fun with
Speaker 3: the hitting. He had fun with getting on guys, I
Speaker 3: mean around the baton cage with some of the funniest
Speaker 3: stuff I ever heard in my life. Can't repeat it.
Speaker 2: All everybody, it was.
Speaker 3: It was amazing, and he would usually be one of
Speaker 3: the ones to stir it up.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And how are you going to get on a guy
Speaker 3: like him? I mean, he never went in a slump.
Speaker 4: You couldn't get on. Call them lolls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that loll for him would be old for four Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I got to throw batting practice to to the
Speaker 2: guys in spring training one day, and and we were
Speaker 2: over in clear Water, and a man, I just I
Speaker 2: felt like a big time I'm on the bus with you,
Speaker 2: Pete Rose and Tony Perez and all these guys. And
Speaker 2: so we get to clear water and and and my
Speaker 2: job is throw batting practice. And Pete comes up to me,
Speaker 2: he said, he said, kid, he said, I I don't
Speaker 2: I don't want you to try to strike me out.
Speaker 2: I want you to throw me good BP. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get ready for the season. And then made me
Speaker 2: so nervous. He said, the first two I want you
Speaker 2: to throw in because I want to get my hands out.
Speaker 2: The next tube, I want you to throw right down
Speaker 2: the middle, and I want to hit it back up
Speaker 2: the middle. And the last two in the first round,
Speaker 2: I want you to throw him outside. I want to
Speaker 2: hit him the other way. I'm going, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I've never I've never thrown six pitches for a correct
Speaker 2: location of my life. And somehow he I mean, even
Speaker 2: if I missed, he still did it. You know, he
Speaker 2: could pull the ball, he could go up the middle,
Speaker 2: he could go the other way. And then this is
Speaker 2: this is awesome when when Tony Perez gets up Pete's
Speaker 2: back behind the cage and he Pete does this, he
Speaker 2: does the fastball motion with his hand. Yeah, and he
Speaker 2: wants me to throw hard Tony. So I threw a
Speaker 2: little harder, and Tony kind of stares me down and
Speaker 2: hilarion at it. And then the next the next pitch,
Speaker 2: Pete gives me the curveball side no, and I throw
Speaker 2: a curveball and Tony missed it about ten inches, and
Speaker 2: so then the guys behind were laughing and Tony Tony
Speaker 2: turned around and gave it back to Pete. But I'm
Speaker 2: going man, I was such a Pete Rose fan. I
Speaker 2: would have done anything he told me.
Speaker 3: That was daily too.
Speaker 1: That's got to sound familiar.
Speaker 4: It's just daily.
Speaker 3: They would get on, four of them, Johnny, Pete, Joe
Speaker 3: and Tony. The four of them sat in the corner
Speaker 3: and would rag each other unmercifully the things they'd said.
Speaker 3: You'd say, he's got friends, and if anybody else joined in,
Speaker 3: then those four would turn on whoever. Because Davey thought
Speaker 3: he belonged in that group. Oh uh, and Pete Tony
Speaker 3: one day said, Davy, you're not as good as we are,
Speaker 3: and nobody can understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: No, we gotta step out. We'll come right back and
Speaker 1: talk more with the garage gang here in just a minute.
Speaker 1: Doug Flynn, Keith Madison, Darren Hedrick on six thirty WLAP
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Big Moon. Satter here in the
Speaker 1: garage with a chain gang. Darren Hedrick, Heith Madison, Doug
Speaker 1: Flynn were sharing Pete Rose stories I talked about. I
Speaker 1: had a couple of encounters with Pete. One was okay,
Speaker 1: one not so okay. But again I was indoctrinated, kind
Speaker 1: of almost knocked me down in the clubhouse, threw his
Speaker 1: shoulder into me, like, hey kid, you know. But I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a story to tell, don't I. But before
Speaker 1: I get into the controversy, one more story from you.
Speaker 1: This can be quick, Doug. But when we were doing
Speaker 1: the minor league games, one of those teams was managed
Speaker 1: by Pete Junior, and you told a story about Pete
Speaker 1: Junior calling Dad when he was in a lull or
Speaker 1: I think he used the s word a slump and
Speaker 1: asked for advice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete, you know he picked up the fellow says Dad, Man,
Speaker 3: I'm struggling one for eighteen. He says, what I do?
Speaker 3: Pete said, how do I know? I've never been in
Speaker 3: a story.
Speaker 4: He said called Davy. Davy, I'll tell you how to
Speaker 4: get out of him.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you one little quick please, So seventy
Speaker 3: five seventy six, we win seventy You got to have
Speaker 3: three years in the big leagues to move outside of
Speaker 3: where the team stays during spring training. If not, you
Speaker 3: stay at the team hotel where the media and everybody stays.
Speaker 3: So seventy seven January, my sister disappears. Dick Wagner, the
Speaker 3: general manager. I called him up and say, Dick, I
Speaker 3: want to live away from all the stuff. I got
Speaker 3: questions going on, We got investigations. Da da da da dah,
Speaker 3: I said, And I want my parents to come down,
Speaker 3: and I don't want them to be around on the
Speaker 3: media people because we're getting phone calls daily. What do
Speaker 3: you think that just because you want to break the rules,
Speaker 3: you got to have three years. You know that. And
Speaker 3: I said I know that, But I said this. I
Speaker 3: thought these circumstances, it would you would understand. He says no.
Speaker 3: He says, the rules are rules, and you got to
Speaker 3: buy by him. I said, okay, I quit.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: I hang up the phone. So I'm sitting there thinking
Speaker 3: what did you just do? So an hour goes by
Speaker 3: the phone rings. It's Pete and he's laughing. He said,
Speaker 3: did you quit? I said, yeah, I said, Pete got
Speaker 3: two World Series in two years. The only place I
Speaker 3: think goes down from here. And he said, you're not quitting.
Speaker 3: I said, well, he said, I already know the story.
Speaker 3: He said, I'm staying at the King Arthur's Enn, right
Speaker 3: down from the ballpark. He said, I got a room
Speaker 3: for you, and I got a room for your mom
Speaker 3: and dad. It won't cost you nothing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And I went there, and that probably had a little
Speaker 3: bit to do why I got traded, because Dick Wagner was, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, but Pete.
Speaker 1: Well, he's a clown who broke up the Reds.
Speaker 3: Here's a clown. I agree with you. He's a clown.
Speaker 3: He treated people rude, he treated people mean. He only
Speaker 3: used me. There's some other people talk differently about him.
Speaker 3: I don't know him being any different. Well that was it.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 4: That was it.
Speaker 3: So that did it right there. But so Pete did that,
Speaker 3: and there was all kinds of stuff if you went
Speaker 3: to his house, like I started collecting autographs, which I
Speaker 3: never did before, and all of a sudden I thought I'd
Speaker 3: do it. He said, here he throws his rookie cards
Speaker 3: and start off with this one wow.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Or he'd give you a pair I got a big
Speaker 3: pair of those big Porche sunglasses that he used to wear.
Speaker 3: I've never worn them. I mean, cover your whole head.
Speaker 3: I can't pull it off, but I still he just
Speaker 3: he gave people shoes. I just got a letter. Guy
Speaker 3: the other day, his son got blown up in Iraq.
Speaker 3: Pete found out about it, picked up the phone and
Speaker 3: talked to him from an hour and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: The media just you'll do it, but most of our
Speaker 3: media won't cover that. And I'm so sick of them
Speaker 3: burying him over the stuff now. I mean, for forty
Speaker 3: years they've been getting on him the same people are
Speaker 3: getting on him that Pete would give an interview with
Speaker 3: that no one else would ever talk to. But people
Speaker 3: give an interview when loser draw he do it, and
Speaker 3: they'd kiss his rear end for that, and then as
Speaker 3: soon as he got in trouble, they've been burying him
Speaker 3: ever since. And I got a feeling we're gonna talk
Speaker 3: about that here.
Speaker 1: Well we are, because Darren, you've got strong feelings of
Speaker 1: I know everybody does about the lifetime ban and things
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, in terms of the lifetime ban,
Speaker 4: I get it, which, by the way, There's been some
Speaker 4: misconstruing with that. There's a lot of people that said, well,
Speaker 4: it's a lifetime ban. Now that he's gone, he should
Speaker 4: be Hall of Fame eligible. The rule actually says permanently banned,
Speaker 4: not lifetime ban. But still, the one thing that people
Speaker 4: should also know, and I don't think the common baseball
Speaker 4: fan realizes, is the Baseball Hall of Fame is not
Speaker 4: owned or operated or voted on by Major League Baseball.
Speaker 4: They technically don't have anything to do with it. But
Speaker 4: the sportswriters always fall in line with what major League
Speaker 4: Baseball wants, and so the Hall of Fame, when they
Speaker 4: banned him from baseball, they fell in line and created
Speaker 4: a Pete Rose rule. And they tried to say it
Speaker 4: was for shoeless Joe Jackson and all this and that, No,
Speaker 4: it was a Pete Rose rule. They can change it
Speaker 4: anytime they want to. All they have to do is
Speaker 4: make the choice and put him on the ballot. Will
Speaker 4: they ever do it, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But and having said that to me, I understand, you're
Speaker 3: betting he bet on baseball. And I was one of
Speaker 3: the first ones that if it had been me, it
Speaker 3: wouldn't even be an argument, but it's Pete Rose because
Speaker 3: he got and fifty six cents. I understand that. But
Speaker 3: now I've softened my stance. Really yeah that And here's why,
Speaker 3: because I was watching the game. The very first commercial
Speaker 3: is fandel you can bet on pitches, you can bet
Speaker 3: on players, you can bet on the outcome of a game.
Speaker 3: That still doesn't mean the players can bet on that. However,
Speaker 3: to me, the message is saying, now that we're making
Speaker 3: money on gambling, it's okay.
Speaker 4: Well, and to your point in expanding on the making
Speaker 4: money business. Major League Baseball threw Pete away and tried
Speaker 4: to erase him from history, but they sure did enjoy
Speaker 4: profiting off his name, image, and likeness for the rest
Speaker 4: of his life.
Speaker 3: And go to Cooperstown. He's all over there. You're right.
Speaker 4: And here's another point too that I want to make
Speaker 4: that I find hippocrateal hip Hoocrydal. Yeah it's HIPOCRIPSI yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They said, hey, Cincinnati, you can induct him into your
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. He can't go to Cooperstown, Phillies. You
Speaker 4: want to bring him back to honor the seventy six
Speaker 4: World Series team. Come on, he just can't go to
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. Yeah, Yeah, we're going to have
Speaker 4: him on Fox to be an analyst for a little while.
Speaker 4: He just can't go in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: Well, Sadly, the last interview that he ever did, he
Speaker 3: talks about there's nobody been a better promoter of the
Speaker 3: game of baseball. He said, you go into Cincinnati, you
Speaker 3: drive down Pete Rose Way to get to the ballpark. Yes,
Speaker 3: and Pete Rose can't even get into the locker room. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did not know this. Somebody posted this on my
Speaker 1: Facebook page. And I've always been a guy who said, look,
Speaker 1: you know, he knew the rule right, And what bothered
Speaker 1: me the most was how he just lied and lied
Speaker 1: to you guys and never apologized Doug to his teammates,
Speaker 1: which bothered me. Point taken about gambling, But again, players
Speaker 1: in different pro leagues are being banned now because you're
Speaker 1: not supposed follow the rules, all right, but I was
Speaker 1: not aware of that. You might have been, Darren, all
Speaker 1: of you guys might have been that. He sent a
Speaker 1: letter to Rob Manfred with a profound apology, And have
Speaker 1: you ever read that letter, which to me kind of
Speaker 1: softened me a little bit on it. He finally said,
Speaker 1: and this was two years ago, what he should have said. However,
Speaker 1: many years ago.
Speaker 3: If he says that when it first happens, oh, we're
Speaker 3: not talking about this today, you don't think and he
Speaker 3: knows that. But you know, how do you go up
Speaker 3: to a guy who's an alcoholic and he's made all
Speaker 3: these mistakes and you bann him for an addiction that
Speaker 3: he might have. He definitely had a gamble. I mean,
Speaker 3: to this day, he you know, yeah, he cannot do
Speaker 3: and he's you know, he goes out and makes good
Speaker 3: money at his card shows, but he's he's doing that
Speaker 3: that's kind of in his DNA and you know, and
Speaker 3: he used to make the statement that, all right, I'm
Speaker 3: not in the Hall of Fame, but there's guys in
Speaker 3: there who have beat their wild up and taking drugs
Speaker 3: and doing all that stuff.
Speaker 4: And I said this the other day.
Speaker 3: And because I was just popping off, probably, but I said,
Speaker 3: you know, you go out and shoot somebody, you get
Speaker 3: twenty years and you're out. Pete been on baseball and
Speaker 3: he's got forty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and that goes back to some of my core arguments.
Speaker 4: I have a really hard time with justifying Pete Rose
Speaker 4: Permanent Band. When we celebrate Gaylord Perry, whose famous pitch
Speaker 4: was an illegal pitch, a spinball who spent a career cheating.
Speaker 4: There's the guys in the Hall of Fame now that
Speaker 4: have done far worse steroids and that's supposed to be
Speaker 4: illegal too. There's the Astros who still have a World
Speaker 4: Series banner that they cheated to win. There's a player
Speaker 4: who owns an MVP that's still in the game playing today,
Speaker 4: jose Al Tuvey, who is a part of that. The
Speaker 4: manager A. J. Hinches with the Tigers who are in
Speaker 4: the playoffs now, Alex Cora, who manages the Red Sox.
Speaker 4: Somehow we forgave them for you know, cheating, which at
Speaker 4: its core is as bad as gambling because you're compromising
Speaker 4: the integrity of the game. But we don't have a
Speaker 4: problem with them. And so at this point, jose Al
Speaker 4: too is going to be Hall of Fame eligible when
Speaker 4: his career is over, because he signed an immunity agreement
Speaker 4: with Major League Baseball to admit his guilt with no punishing.
Speaker 1: And I'll say that based on the letter I received.
Speaker 1: Oring a copy of the letter I saw, he Rose
Speaker 1: apologized finally these guys never have even admitted to it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: What they're saying about Pete's they did in private chambers,
Speaker 3: but it's been sealed and thrown away.
Speaker 1: Forget that, and so what then?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, right, Well, what they're saying about Pete he only
Speaker 3: apologized in two thousand and four because he had a
Speaker 3: book coming out and he wanted to sell the book. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what I've heard over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: Well, no, this this apology letter that was sent me
Speaker 1: said that it was sent to Rob Manford two years ago.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, but how heartfelt was that apology in
Speaker 1: O four? This one much more? Coach? You've been kind
Speaker 1: of quiet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean that's not like you. Well,
Speaker 2: I agree with everything Doug and and and Big d
Speaker 2: have said. You know, I I think it's a harsh,
Speaker 2: harsh punishment for a guy when when so many other
Speaker 2: people have made mistakes. And what a great point, you know,
Speaker 2: Darren made with with the astros. Uh, you know, it's time.
Speaker 2: It's time. He's the he's the he's a he's a
Speaker 2: hit king. Put him in and and like Doug said earlier,
Speaker 2: he did a lot for baseball, did a lot for baseball.
Speaker 2: I mean, he there's so many people my age that
Speaker 2: grew up watching him play the game and wanted to
Speaker 2: emulate him. And and he did it the way every
Speaker 2: coach and every manager wants him to do it. You know,
Speaker 2: he gave his best.
Speaker 1: He must have been a joy.
Speaker 3: He's a great teammate. Yeah, he took time. He didn't
Speaker 3: care what was going on in his game. He took
Speaker 3: time to help somebody else. He played it, he loved it.
Speaker 3: He took time to talk to the fans. He told
Speaker 3: me the best lesson I ever got. He said, not
Speaker 3: that anybody would really want your autograph, but go out
Speaker 3: before the game and go sign autographs for ten to
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. He said, people will see that and they'll
Speaker 3: appreciate that. They may not want it, but they'll appreciate it.
Speaker 3: And that was a good lesson. But he's told me
Speaker 3: so many. I mean, I get my first hitt into
Speaker 3: big leagues and I'm thinking, God, you know, I three
Speaker 3: years ago, I didn't have a scholarship, I wasn't playing ball.
Speaker 3: Now I'm in the big leagues. Here comes Pete bringing
Speaker 3: me my glove and my hat. This is awesome, runs out,
Speaker 3: he just throws them at me, hits me in the
Speaker 3: chest and keeps going to the left field and goes,
Speaker 3: you're only twenty five hundred behind me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And stories like that are why I just wonder
Speaker 4: in a nation of second chances, while we can't temper
Speaker 4: our justice with a little mercy. And the Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame is meant to tell the story of baseball.
Speaker 3: But they might.
Speaker 4: Now, this is how you do it.
Speaker 3: Here's what everyone feared, not feared, but speculated when he
Speaker 3: passed away. Would they do something now? And if they
Speaker 3: do it like immediately, it shows that in all of this,
Speaker 3: for me, it really wasn't business. It was personal.
Speaker 1: Yes, it.
Speaker 4: Was cruel.
Speaker 3: It was cruel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and and I totally agree with that. But
Speaker 4: you know, I'm fine. I want his plaque in the
Speaker 4: Hall of Plaques where it belongs. And if they want
Speaker 4: to have a little tag at the bottom of it,
Speaker 4: this says band from Baseball for gambling. Okay, that's part
Speaker 4: of his story. That's part of the story. That's part
Speaker 4: of his story. But his plaque belongs in the hall
Speaker 4: and that's I feel strongly about that.
Speaker 1: How would you feel about a steroids.
Speaker 4: Wing one for me is complicated because we've let those
Speaker 4: guys back in the league, so why can't we put
Speaker 4: them in the Hall of Fame. I mean, Bonds was
Speaker 4: a hitting coach.
Speaker 1: Sein is a great example of a guy who would
Speaker 1: have gone in regardless he was on a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame arc as it was.
Speaker 3: That's what's my feelings, and I can't prove it, but
Speaker 3: I think there's guys in there now and I know
Speaker 3: specifically who have done them probably. Yeah, I mean look
Speaker 3: at them then, oh sure, look at them now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: look at their stats before, look at them now.
Speaker 1: Look at their hat size.
Speaker 2: We we yeah, we've all been had a chance to
Speaker 2: go out into you know, double A, triple A on
Speaker 2: the field major League Baseball games. We see these guys,
Speaker 2: they're they're not average men that you see walking up
Speaker 2: down the street. A lot of these guys, I mean
Speaker 2: they look like they look like football players now, and
Speaker 2: of course you know athletes. I mean, Doug kN I
Speaker 2: have talked about this. When we played we thought Tony
Speaker 2: Perez was huge. What was he six three two ten
Speaker 2: or something like that that.
Speaker 3: Take two and a quarter, but he was, you know,
Speaker 3: six two and a half, six to.
Speaker 1: Three and he didn't look like a defensive end. But
Speaker 1: he looked like Aaron Judge right now.
Speaker 2: No, And I know there are some guys like Frank Howard,
Speaker 2: you know people that are Thomas. Yeah, Frank Thomas, he's
Speaker 2: a great example. But now you know, now there's there's
Speaker 2: seventy everybody's like that. There's seventy five or one hundred.
Speaker 2: Frank Thomas is in the big leagues. I've never been
Speaker 2: picture of six four or five six, you know.
Speaker 1: And I've always asked you this, But you played it
Speaker 1: one weight, one sixty eight. How about that.
Speaker 3: Somebody said today said you look like you're in good shape.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, if I lose twenty pounds, I'll be
Speaker 3: within ten pounds of my playing weight.
Speaker 1: Back then you look like a banker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of us were. I mean you look at
Speaker 3: the whole makeup of the game. I mean, go through
Speaker 3: the middle infielders, many Trio II, Smith, you know, all
Speaker 3: all of us were. Davy was a big shortstop. Yeah
Speaker 3: and he's sixty one. Yeah, but he was a big
Speaker 3: short Stoping then Rifican came around, screwed it up here
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 4: Going back to Pete, I'll just give some final food
Speaker 4: for thought, because I thought Dan Patrick made a really
Speaker 4: good argument. Let's say that Pete retired from his playing
Speaker 4: career and they waited till the sixth year to ask
Speaker 4: him to manage. So there's a five year window where
Speaker 4: he's just chilling. He goes in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: In that five year window, he's a first ballot Hall
Speaker 4: of Famer, and then he comes back and manages and
Speaker 4: everything that did they take him out of the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame?
Speaker 3: Have they ever taken anyone out not to mind knowledge?
Speaker 1: See how they could? That's a great question. On that note,
Speaker 1: we will take a break and come back and talk
Speaker 1: more with the chain gang of Keith Madison, Darren Hedrick
Speaker 1: and Doug Flynn here in the garage on six thirty
Speaker 1: wlap Welcome back. We're in the garage with the chain gang.
Speaker 1: The garage guys. We've been talking Pete Rose with Doug Flynn,
Speaker 1: Keith Madison and Darren Hedrick. I want to change gears
Speaker 1: a little bit. And Darren, I know you listened and
Speaker 1: watched because that's your job on Saturday, every minute of
Speaker 1: the Kentucky football game. And that's a great thing. When
Speaker 1: he does a scoreboard update. I know you're watching other
Speaker 1: games like man, you know, put your feet up, But
Speaker 1: what an experience. And you've been with us for a
Speaker 1: while on the network. These two guys have seen the
Speaker 1: heartbreak and everything. But just I'll go around the room.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts and emotions? Is that game unfolded?
Speaker 1: Because it was fight. I'm on the sidelines when when
Speaker 1: it looked like it was getting away, thinking here we
Speaker 1: go again, who am I going to talk to? What question?
Speaker 1: First series?
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, all right, I got time to go down
Speaker 3: to the lake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just six plays right down the field home. Well,
Speaker 4: here it goes, I thought.
Speaker 1: I told himself, all right, if the next possessions like that,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a long day. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: And we know what happened after that.
Speaker 4: That's right. And you know, even when Old Miss took
Speaker 4: the lead in the second half seventeen to thirteen, they
Speaker 4: had had what was it two or three drives there
Speaker 4: where they just had rhythm and were marching, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is this is weird. Good, Yeah, this is not good.
Speaker 4: This is where Old Miss takes control. And then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, it was three and out, three and out,
Speaker 4: and you're like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our defense was wow, facular wow. And when I
Speaker 2: saw when I I saw the Omas players slam Duncan
Speaker 2: the football into the UK backboard basketball goal, I think
Speaker 2: I could have tackled somebody.
Speaker 1: We have seen so much of that, though, Doug. When
Speaker 1: they just we sought to share with the Georgia game
Speaker 1: and it slips away.
Speaker 3: Well we've seen it for years, in years, but in
Speaker 3: Stoops had seen it too, because I understand what his
Speaker 3: thing was. He looked over Brad White and says, you know,
Speaker 3: we need one to go our way to right, and
Speaker 3: I think he was right. They are they were due,
Speaker 3: But boy, that defense played good. In the offense, offense
Speaker 3: played a lot better than I thought too. Maybe they're
Speaker 3: starting to get a little continuity there.
Speaker 2: What about Brown catching that pass and stopping on a dime?
Speaker 1: I don't see why. More easy for me to say,
Speaker 1: why don't more receivers try to do that?
Speaker 2: He's great athlete, I mean he was not many people
Speaker 2: can go that fast and stop and change directions that quick.
Speaker 2: That was the us chance.
Speaker 3: My yeah, have broke a leg.
Speaker 2: So then what it just fell down?
Speaker 1: What were your collective thoughts on fourth down when they
Speaker 1: go a go for it and b they go deep.
Speaker 1: Because I thought, all right, I thought they needed to
Speaker 1: go for it, but I thought, find Dane key, if
Speaker 1: if you don't complete it, maybe you get another p
Speaker 1: I or hold or something.
Speaker 3: When he chucked it deep, I'm like, what are you
Speaker 3: after Georgia. He had to go for that point down, right,
Speaker 3: I think because when you didn't do it at Georgia.
Speaker 1: Affected his thought process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so well, And I also thought, too, what have
Speaker 4: you got to lose going forward there? If your defense
Speaker 4: holds him to a field goal, you still need that
Speaker 4: touchdown anyway. So because you were there, and when they
Speaker 4: fled in the end zone then.
Speaker 1: Right in front of me and fell on it from
Speaker 1: from here to that wall, that's how close I was.
Speaker 1: And when it popped in you out. Your brain just
Speaker 1: processes things quickly. I thought, oh my god, they got
Speaker 1: this close and now they're gonna fumble and almost is
Speaker 1: gonna recover and we're all gonna think about this play
Speaker 1: for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 3: Oh look, so a couple of things went good for him.
Speaker 4: Dick.
Speaker 2: You'll remember this. I can't remember the year, but we
Speaker 2: were playing Louisville and we had the game one and
Speaker 2: we were celebrating and all that stuff, and Louivill came
Speaker 2: back and beat us. It was like, how about the
Speaker 2: Gator eight and LB you have the fans on the field. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: did you know the Loiver game I'm talking about was
Speaker 2: home It was I can't remember who was celebrating now,
Speaker 2: And I remember watching it on television saying, don't do that,
Speaker 2: don't do that. It's sure enough comes back.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm so old school, and you are too. I mean,
Speaker 3: we got young pup over there who's not quite We
Speaker 3: don't like all that celebration going on. And I was
Speaker 3: just thinking watching the ball game yesterday or the day before,
Speaker 3: see Lean Door hit a big home run and just
Speaker 3: brought his head went around the basis. And then I
Speaker 3: watched the Podrey's last night first inning, Tatis hits one
Speaker 3: and he hadn't got the first yet. He's just you know,
Speaker 3: pimping it. I'm thinking, and David Kohne of all people,
Speaker 3: was sitting there going, oh, we really go to hold
Speaker 3: of that one?
Speaker 4: Hit that really good.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking if you were pitching, David Cone, you'd have
Speaker 3: drilled him the next time up so much.
Speaker 2: He'd probably drill the next hitter.
Speaker 3: The next hitter, Yeah, he do it. But you know
Speaker 3: that's kind of I mean, get away from that. But
Speaker 3: it's talking about, you know, a little class.
Speaker 1: And you know, speaking of announcers. As we get to
Speaker 1: the break, you'll appreciate this there and you might have
Speaker 1: heard it, but Big Shambi, one of the national guys,
Speaker 1: talked about the fact. He said, this is when the
Speaker 1: national announcers take over. And I'd just like to say,
Speaker 1: we hate all your teams. Oh yeah, yeah, that's always
Speaker 1: a complaint.
Speaker 4: That's what Joe Buck always says, is I hate your team.
Speaker 4: That's on his Twitter bio.
Speaker 1: And it's just ridiculous. I know, I'm glad they're making
Speaker 1: fun of it, but there are people who take that series,
Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt. And it's so funny when people
Speaker 1: take shots more at me than a Doug because of
Speaker 1: our sec broadcasts, you know, about us being biased or whatever,
Speaker 1: like hello, you know how your guys.
Speaker 3: So I told the LSU coach it one day when
Speaker 3: I went over to him and he said, I watched
Speaker 3: the replay of the game last night. I said, what'd
Speaker 3: you think he kind of. I said, were we a
Speaker 3: little bit you know? Biased? And he went well, and
Speaker 3: I said, you know what, lsu ain't paid me a
Speaker 3: penny yeah, and he went fair point yeah yeah, but
Speaker 3: he knew. I mean that's it. We're not doing a
Speaker 3: national or regional game and local home game, Pride.
Speaker 1: And maybe you can back me up on this, I
Speaker 1: think now, Jeff Picorrel, that's another issue. It gets a
Speaker 1: little emotional, yes he does. And Tom gets emotional as well,
Speaker 1: but I've never heard Tom almost break down in tears
Speaker 1: over a touchdown. Tom does it? You know? He came
Speaker 1: up under k what like I did? All right, we'll
Speaker 1: take a break, come back. Our number two is on
Speaker 1: the way. We're talking to the chain gang. We have
Speaker 1: a text chain. We're up all hours, aren't we. Dug
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, your phone dings till one morning?
Speaker 3: My god.
Speaker 1: Now it's usually Darren at one am.
Speaker 3: But I always answer answering no, that's the thing. My
Speaker 3: wife will sit there and she'll go, what are they
Speaker 3: possibly talking about?
Speaker 4: Hey? That prime time game just ended.
Speaker 1: That's right, And coach you probably just leave your phone
Speaker 1: in the back porch, don't you sell?
Speaker 2: You know, I hang in there with you guys. That's
Speaker 2: true until about eleven or eleven thirty. Occasionally, Oh now
Speaker 2: you're just breaking occasionally if I can't sleep, I don't
Speaker 2: bother you guys, but I'm harassing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: We need to do Darren, just pick up the phone
Speaker 1: and call them just to make sure they're awake.
Speaker 4: Were little FaceTime, that's right, trust me. When you got
Speaker 4: that iPad sitting and then a light comes.
Speaker 1: On, we'll come back for our number two in just
Speaker 1: a minute on six thirty.
Speaker 5: Wag everything.
Speaker 6: Then we're back.
Speaker 1: We're with the garage guys, the Chain gang. If you will,
Speaker 1: our text Shane come to life.
Speaker 4: They all night tange game.
Speaker 3: That's what ought to be under the wee hours.
Speaker 1: Doug Flynn, Keith Madison, Darren Hedrick. You will not believe,
Speaker 1: Well yeah you will with this group. Well we talked
Speaker 1: about during the break and that was not just he haul,
Speaker 1: which is I said, was a guilty pleasure for everybody.
Speaker 1: There are some great musical acts. If you like country music,
Speaker 1: I said, great, I love you Johnny. Uh, but what
Speaker 1: were you explaining to us, mister Flynn.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but you were gona handb on it.
Speaker 1: You were you were quite delighted to tell coaches there's
Speaker 1: what is it on YouTube?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you can learn how you have And I
Speaker 3: think you know him being from Browns, well he should
Speaker 3: already know.
Speaker 4: How to do it. Well.
Speaker 2: I taught Archie Campbell how to do it.
Speaker 4: There you go, there you go, and if you want
Speaker 4: to search it out, I've seen two different spellings E
Speaker 4: E F I N G or E E P H.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's right, and talking right there.
Speaker 1: But that was one of those shows that was on
Speaker 1: one of the networks, I think CBS, and then they
Speaker 1: canceled it and it was immediately somebody.
Speaker 4: Snatched it up network.
Speaker 1: But whoever was snatched it up and syndicated it and
Speaker 1: made a fortune, you know.
Speaker 2: It's it always amazes me that, you know, Buck Owens
Speaker 2: was one of the stars on the show, and I'm
Speaker 2: a pick and yeah, and he you know, obviously a
Speaker 2: great country singer and all these really good West Coast
Speaker 2: country singers always talk about Buck Owens. Yeah, and my
Speaker 2: memory of Buck Owens is him acting goofy on not thinking.
Speaker 2: These guys had by Buck Owens, Yeah, had Roy Clark.
Speaker 3: Bakersfield sound, that's it, the Bakersfield Sounds.
Speaker 4: Right now. Educate me on that. So let's see the
Speaker 4: Bakersfield sound that was goings and watt yoakam Merle Haggard.
Speaker 4: I think Whylon might have had a little bit of
Speaker 4: it before he went out Law, Yeah there was. It
Speaker 4: was a radio station in Bakersfield that had all these
Speaker 4: guys come through and it created the Bakersfield sound.
Speaker 1: That's back when people perform live on the radio. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's fascinating.
Speaker 3: So you watch guys and then Roy Clark's on there,
Speaker 3: and I remember I hadn't seen him do anything except
Speaker 3: funny stuff, and all of a sudden he started.
Speaker 2: They had him playing guitar and unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Oh there are people when they talk about the great pickers, uh,
Speaker 1: Chad Atkins, Martin Knopfler, Roy Clark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and that guy could play anything he could.
Speaker 1: I saw him playing the fiddle the other night on
Speaker 1: a clip.
Speaker 2: Yeahjo, you know, one of the classy things that we do.
Speaker 2: You know, we send each other stuff. But Darren sent
Speaker 2: me a picture of a stream being.
Speaker 3: All right, I won't ask for conta. You know who
Speaker 3: Pat Darcy is, Yeah, all right. Pat was a teammate
Speaker 3: roommate of mine at the seventy five World Series. Pat's
Speaker 3: always talked Pat six y four. So every time he
Speaker 3: sees me, he'd send me pictures of Billy Bardy and say, Doug,
Speaker 3: I saw you in town. Uh person right. And then
Speaker 3: the guy that the White Sox used that, Uh, Edie Goodell.
Speaker 3: He said he saw a picture of Eddie Goodell. Says Doug,
Speaker 3: I saw you. He says, I hate. He sends me
Speaker 3: one the other day. He says, Doug, he listened to Tucson.
Speaker 3: He says, we're building some little houses out here. He
Speaker 3: said they're very popular. He says, I'm just thinking you
Speaker 3: could come out here and probably get you a pretty
Speaker 3: good deal. And I said, what are you trying to say?
Speaker 3: He said, you'd be a giant out here, man, he says,
Speaker 3: come on out here. And I and when I saw that,
Speaker 3: he sent it to Raleigh Eastwick, Joe Youngblood, Will mc
Speaker 3: and any and we started that little chain going like this.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, man, that's why other than well, we'll
Speaker 1: be concerned about this.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's it's over with now. But you
Speaker 3: know it's good. It's good that you got that you
Speaker 3: can do stuff like I mean, the stuff you all
Speaker 3: send out. Starts out often serious, never end serious never
Speaker 3: or starts off not so serious and mighty end. We've
Speaker 3: been really good about that.
Speaker 4: I think we surely is serious until he responds with
Speaker 4: one of his images, you.
Speaker 3: Know, coaches, King of the coach, You got nothing anything.
Speaker 2: I've got a lot to do, but you guys just
Speaker 2: strack me from doing it.
Speaker 4: He has to stop his tractor.
Speaker 3: And did you sell out your golf tournament?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, it's going well good? Uh well, is that a.
Speaker 1: Shameless plug for we love a good shameless Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to mention it, but it's October fourteenth,
Speaker 2: it starts at noon, and anybody wants.
Speaker 4: To you got you fill it up?
Speaker 2: We got it, We got I need I need a
Speaker 2: couple more celebrities, Like if we could get come out
Speaker 2: string being, I had to go get a celebrity from
Speaker 2: my team. We got Gerald Belcher's celebrity on my team. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was so glad to see Gerald player.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: What a He's a hero of mine.
Speaker 3: He's a yeah, good nel Gerald, you know him? Vietnam veteran,
Speaker 3: got shot up. He's from Kentucky, got shot up, came
Speaker 3: back home rehabbed enrolled in University of Kentucky, walked onto
Speaker 3: the baseball field and said I want to play. And
Speaker 3: they had Blair jeans on, no shoes or nothing, and
Speaker 3: they would ye, all right, gets up to hit hits
Speaker 3: first two out of the ballpark, they went, So you
Speaker 3: really will find you in some uniform anyway. What a
Speaker 3: story comes All Conference player for the University of Kentucky
Speaker 3: in baseball a year seventy, early seventies.
Speaker 2: Yes, seventies eight seven, you know, early seventies. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: were going away through his tenure, right, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: before but he you know, Doug and I were talking
Speaker 2: about Gerald the other day. And so in my first
Speaker 2: Old Timers game or alumni game that I had when
Speaker 2: I started coaching here back in the yuh around nineteen eighty,
Speaker 2: jeral Belcher calls me up to say, Coach, I want
Speaker 2: to play, but I want to take some batting practice.
Speaker 2: I said, you want to take batting practice before the
Speaker 2: Old Timers game. And so he after after our practice
Speaker 2: that day, he hung around out through him and like
Speaker 2: Doug said, man, he just crushing the ball. Hit it,
Speaker 2: you know that it was at the cliff and he
Speaker 2: was launching him over there practice fun. Yeah, I played softball.
Speaker 3: With him five years when I got when I came
Speaker 3: back home.
Speaker 2: Great competitor, you know. And and I'm glad he's playing
Speaker 2: because he's he is one of my heroes.
Speaker 4: He is a hero.
Speaker 3: I have to admit.
Speaker 1: I believe I've heard the name, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that story.
Speaker 3: That's a great story, it's really good. I think that
Speaker 3: this story was born out of a conversation about Heath Hall.
Speaker 3: That's the way our games usually go.
Speaker 1: But it's fun is to say, how do we get here?
Speaker 1: Retrace your steps?
Speaker 2: I think Jered broke the school record for doubles at
Speaker 2: the time after after serving in Vietnam, and he curious injuries,
Speaker 2: I mean serious injuries in Vietna.
Speaker 1: Maybe why I know his name is looking through the record.
Speaker 3: But he could run, buddy, he was fast.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, all right, we're going to take a break,
Speaker 1: come back and talk more with a chain gang. Doug
Speaker 1: Flynn and uh that's you. Oh yeah, he by the way,
Speaker 1: shut up burn's tie today for the show he did.
Speaker 3: Man, Well, you said this was an important show, so
Speaker 3: I knew that the people out there would probably want
Speaker 3: to see it.
Speaker 1: Well, but it fell on deaf ears.
Speaker 2: That's right, he's got his hero Charlie Brown on it.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that's Darren.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's me. I don't have.
Speaker 1: Darreon Hendrick. Keith Madison back at a minute A six
Speaker 1: thirty W L A B. Welcome back to the garage.
Speaker 1: We're visiting live with Darren Heddrick, the voice of UK
Speaker 1: baseball and women's basketball, Doug Flynn, Hall of fame in
Speaker 1: my mind infielder Old Glover and my partner on UK
Speaker 1: Baseball broadcast on SEC Plus, Keith Madison, Darren Hedrick's broadcast
Speaker 1: partner on the UK Radio network. Where it is he
Speaker 1: coached in baseball at UK and has the life sized
Speaker 1: bibblehead to prove it.
Speaker 3: My favorite coach.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 1: I was looking through some social media the other day
Speaker 1: and saw the picture of you guys at the College
Speaker 1: World Series and just thinking back and Doug and I
Speaker 1: had a ball, we all did. And now you're looking
Speaker 1: at a roster, Darren. It's at least half of it's
Speaker 1: turned over, but welcome to college basement.
Speaker 4: That's right. Thirty new players, freshmen and transfers on this
Speaker 4: year's team and Matt May and I were sitting at
Speaker 4: the ballpark a couple of weeks ago. As a matter
Speaker 4: of fact, we were going around the horn defensively at
Speaker 4: all the different faces and positions. Devin Burks is back,
Speaker 4: but you've got a new first basement, You'll have a
Speaker 4: new second basement, a new shortstop, which I'm excited to
Speaker 4: see that young man, a new third baseman, and then
Speaker 4: your outfield, it's going to have a lot of new
Speaker 4: faces in it. Nolan McCarthy is now at Georgia. James
Speaker 4: McCoy is back, so I would expect him in right field.
Speaker 4: Ryan Walt Schmidt's gone to the next level, so left
Speaker 4: field's wide open, and you're going to see a brand
Speaker 4: new weekend rotation in terms of the pitching staff, a
Speaker 4: brand new closer. So it's going to be a I
Speaker 4: feel like every year I say this, it's a big
Speaker 4: fall because of so many new faces. But that's just
Speaker 4: part of the game now.
Speaker 2: And if any of you are going to be in
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Northern Kentucky area on Sunday, they're playing Right
Speaker 2: State University that's right at Prep Park.
Speaker 1: Yeah, up in Mason, it's a neton first pitch you
Speaker 1: mentioned somebody mentioned Nolan. Well, you guys were talking about
Speaker 1: Nolan and Pete Rose reaching out to him during the
Speaker 1: College World Series. How surprised were you that he left?
Speaker 4: Initially, when I saw the news, I was shocked, But then,
Speaker 4: you know, after hearing his side of it, I kind
Speaker 4: of understood that, you know, he had reached a pinnacle
Speaker 4: point at helping Kentucky to the College World Series. Now,
Speaker 4: obviously there's still a National Championship to go out and win,
Speaker 4: but you know, his teammates, a lot of them were
Speaker 4: either graduating or they were going to the the next
Speaker 4: level through the Major League Draft, and I think for him,
Speaker 4: he just felt like it was getting off point, if
Speaker 4: you will. And I when he he could explain it
Speaker 4: a lot better than I can sitting here, But when
Speaker 4: when I had a chance to hear his side of it,
Speaker 4: I kind of understood. Do you think.
Speaker 3: That he had the feeling that if he came back
Speaker 3: he may have been counted on too much?
Speaker 4: That's all question that only he can answer. But I
Speaker 4: think he was looking around the room and realizing that
Speaker 4: a lot of his teammates were going to be gone,
Speaker 4: and so I think.
Speaker 1: As he came in with he doesn't sound like the
Speaker 1: kind of guy who would be bothered by that notion.
Speaker 1: I can understand being feeling like he's on an island.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I say, there's some other things connections
Speaker 4: because one of the coaches, what the Georgia Nick assistant
Speaker 4: at Georgia and Will Coggins too, Yeah, and I will him.
Speaker 4: I think I don't want to speculate too much because
Speaker 4: I only know I wasn't in the room when all
Speaker 4: those decisions were made, and I don't want to speculate
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 3: But who's replace placed Amarati?
Speaker 4: So they got coach Sloan who was at Right State.
Speaker 4: He's an offensive, young up and coming, offensive minded. I mean,
Speaker 4: he was running Right State's offense and we know how
Speaker 4: good Right State has been.
Speaker 2: You'll like him do great, great young man.
Speaker 4: He's the players love him in terms of working with
Speaker 4: him in the cage, working on swings and different things.
Speaker 4: He is different from coach Hamaratti. They have two distinctly
Speaker 4: different ways of going about hitting approaches. But the players
Speaker 4: seem to really have bought into what he and coach
Speaker 4: Kuzi and the Kuzzano and the rest of the staff
Speaker 4: want to do.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting you talked about Coggins moving on,
Speaker 1: Amarati moving on. Those guys are moving up in their
Speaker 1: respective professions. Uh, you know, there's there's more money to
Speaker 1: be had, there's uh you know, if you're a number
Speaker 1: three assistant, now you're number two kind of thing. Everybody
Speaker 1: knows this, but especially I think in football, but oftentimes
Speaker 1: and coach you can speak to this. Players will have
Speaker 1: a stronger bond with an assistant coach, especially in football's
Speaker 1: position coach, then they might the head coach and not
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing. And we've seen Nick and UF
Speaker 1: coach here, we're all around it. We see Nick minjee
Speaker 1: and interact with all the players.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: My favorite story is as a guy who played at
Speaker 1: Florida and I've told this before, was with the Bengals
Speaker 1: and Steve Mawson. I asked him, man, what was like
Speaker 1: playing for Spurit? I don't know. Never talked to him
Speaker 1: like what he goes, No, he never talked to me.
Speaker 1: Would come on? He said? After I signed, he never
Speaker 1: spoke to me again. Why because I played defense and
Speaker 1: that just wasn't inside of the ball now his position coach. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: But it's not that unusual, is it.
Speaker 2: No, it's not. And for one thing, the head coach
Speaker 2: is usually a guy that has to discipline the player.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know that that makes it easier for
Speaker 2: a player to talk to the assistant coaches, get to
Speaker 2: know them and be more open with them. But you know,
Speaker 2: I tried, and I know Nick does too, to establish
Speaker 2: a really good relationship with the players, because I you know,
Speaker 2: looking back and you hear people talk about this a lot,
Speaker 2: it's so true. The wins are awesome, but the relationships
Speaker 2: are even better. Yeah, and so if any young coaches
Speaker 2: out there listening, work really hard at developing those positive
Speaker 2: relationships with your players. Doesn't mean you don't discipline. You
Speaker 2: do discipline them, but you and you do all the
Speaker 2: things you push them to make them better you have to,
Speaker 2: But the relationship part is huge, and I know Nick
Speaker 2: works on that hard. Staff works on that hard.
Speaker 3: That may be what they need in Cincinnati too. I mean,
Speaker 3: David Bell is as good a person as as I know.
Speaker 3: But you need pros just like college players need somebody
Speaker 3: there to set some guidelines and now you've got to
Speaker 3: live up to it, and there has to be some
Speaker 3: discipline too. Yeah, yeah, a little different, but it's kind
Speaker 3: of the same concept.
Speaker 2: I mean, I look at the major league managers that
Speaker 2: in the past that have had that good balance of
Speaker 2: knowing their players but yet having some guidelines like Sparky,
Speaker 2: you know, you were your uniform a certain one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know Show Walter.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: These guys are great baseball people, and they love the
Speaker 2: game and they want the game played a certain way. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I respect those guys a lot because.
Speaker 1: Those are the guys who have moved from team to team.
Speaker 1: Not a lot, but Sparky did I mean? And they're successful, yes.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Joe Tory, Joe Tory, Joe Torri was Bobby.
Speaker 2: Cox, Joe Torry.
Speaker 1: I felt like benefited and sitting down a knock on
Speaker 1: Tory because he does what good leaders do. Great leaders do,
Speaker 1: surround themselves with good people, people that might be smarter
Speaker 1: than there. The the the value of Don Zimmer on
Speaker 1: that bench with Tory, I thought was so underrated.
Speaker 4: Larry pitching coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Joe was very loyal to his people too.
Speaker 1: You guys are still tight, aren't you?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 1: And Tori?
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, you know, I don't see much anymore
Speaker 3: because and I get mad at him time. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: he's in the commissioner's office. So when I see some
Speaker 3: of these goofy rule changes, I said, Joe, Joe would
Speaker 3: have never done that as a coach or a player.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he changed a lot, you know. I mean
Speaker 2: when he when he was first a manager. Uh, he
Speaker 2: wasn't Loop Panela, but he could get all right.
Speaker 3: I was there of the year that he was. I
Speaker 3: came over there when he was a player manager. The
Speaker 3: first year when he became a manager, he had some
Speaker 3: of the best one liners. He would sit there and
Speaker 3: say stuff for an umpire that the umpire would just
Speaker 3: be tongue tied, not knowing how to come back at him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and uh, and he loved it too. He loved it.
Speaker 3: He now, I can't tell you something stories.
Speaker 2: As he as he got older, he wasn't quite as fiery,
Speaker 2: but he was a great leader.
Speaker 3: He was a great leader. But you know, it seemed
Speaker 3: like back then his shoulders were like, I know, looked
Speaker 3: like he had shoulder pads on.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Man, he was huge, just a big, strong dude.
Speaker 1: He won a batting title. I want to say it.
Speaker 3: He couldn't run right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: With the Cardinals, he had lost a lot of weight,
Speaker 1: gotten in shape, and I never hit this growing up
Speaker 1: in Louisville and being a Cardinals fan, and you'd watch
Speaker 1: the eleven o'clock news, and that was back when you
Speaker 1: get partial scores, remember that, Yeah, you know, and then
Speaker 1: the sixth innings, so and so, you know, and I
Speaker 1: see that the Cardinals were down one or two runs
Speaker 1: that particular year, would I'd be going to bed, I
Speaker 1: know when inevitably Tory doubles in the winning run or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: You know, I must say, Uh, the Cardinals have had
Speaker 2: some great managers over the year. Yeah, not lately, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean LaRussa is one of the smartest guys ask him. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: But you know, you talk baseball that guy. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he knows again you've had the privilege yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: you talk to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I mean we've talked to him so that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Loup Panela is, Oh, he's phenomenal, just a wonderful
Speaker 2: guy to talk to.
Speaker 1: You get him in the garage, he'd be good to
Speaker 1: take a call.
Speaker 2: If he ever gets Lexington, we can get him in the.
Speaker 1: Good On that happy note, We'll take a break, come
Speaker 1: back and talk more with the Chain gang. Darren Hendrick,
Speaker 1: Keith Madison, and Doug Flynn here on a big Woe
Speaker 1: Sider six thirty w L Welcome back to the garage.
Speaker 1: We're talking with the chain gang, Doug Flynn, Keith Madison,
Speaker 1: Darren Hendrick. They gather every once in a while here
Speaker 1: in the garage. We talk about anything and everything, and
Speaker 1: we talked about Kentucky football earlier. But coming on next
Speaker 1: week is Pro Day Madness. Its overlap time basketball. Let
Speaker 1: me start with you, mister Flinn, since you played freshman
Speaker 1: ball for the Wildcats. One of your teammates, of course
Speaker 1: on divarsity was a guy named Dan Issel. But we
Speaker 1: know things have changed so much, but this is going
Speaker 1: to be a season. I guess Coach you can relate
Speaker 1: to this, and really, Darren you can too, having worked
Speaker 1: minor league baseball where rosters changed almost every year. But
Speaker 1: this is a Kentucky basketball teams you grew up here
Speaker 1: watching going back to the days are up with a
Speaker 1: new head coach and a brand new roster. This is
Speaker 1: love weird?
Speaker 4: Do you love it?
Speaker 3: Love it?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 1: Right? Explain well?
Speaker 3: I'm a Mark Pope fan. I think the way things
Speaker 3: had been going, obviously we got one national championship with
Speaker 3: undoubtedly some of the best talent ever. There's thirty guys
Speaker 3: in the NBA making All Star teams and we can't
Speaker 3: win one here, So let's make a change.
Speaker 1: So you're making more than a billion dollars.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, true, Yeah, so I like it, and let's
Speaker 3: get back to the It's about Kentucky, it's about the fans.
Speaker 3: It's about team basketball. If you make it to the pros, great,
Speaker 3: but the fans have come and supported this for a
Speaker 3: long time. And there's something special about wearing that big
Speaker 3: K on there. I mean, I was blessed to do it,
Speaker 3: Keith got to do it. There's something special about it.
Speaker 3: Let's make it that be part of special again.
Speaker 1: Coach I already felt like Caliperry's success early helped him
Speaker 1: with this final fours, back in the top five, Kentucky's
Speaker 1: relevant again. But there was this simmering dislike I think
Speaker 1: among fans when he would say five guys drafted on
Speaker 1: win one night. That's the biggest now, you know, greatest.
Speaker 1: Try to walk that back and come on, and that
Speaker 1: was explicitly a message to recruits but also saying women's opinion,
Speaker 1: we know the sec championships met you know, basically cared
Speaker 1: about the seating, which is vital. But those sec does
Speaker 1: mean something.
Speaker 4: No doubt.
Speaker 2: I mean, people in this state weep when Kentucky doesn't win.
Speaker 2: And with coach cal always sensed and and I don't
Speaker 2: have anything against him, I just always sensed that the
Speaker 2: draft the NBA was this his ultimate thing. And and
Speaker 2: see how many guys you get drafted. And he was
Speaker 2: phenomenal at that, at recruiting and getting those guys in
Speaker 2: the NBA.
Speaker 1: Wanting to help kids better their families in their lives.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: But people in Kentucky and I grew up in Kentucky
Speaker 2: listening to k Wood on the radio, like thousands and
Speaker 2: thousands of other kids. People in Kentucky, the only NBA
Speaker 2: we care about is the teams that the Cats play on.
Speaker 2: We may follow them, may not, We're not. This is
Speaker 2: not an NBA state, but this is a Kentucky Walkcat state.
Speaker 3: How far?
Speaker 2: And yeah, you got to put the Waldcats first, and
Speaker 2: you got to put the team first. And I just
Speaker 2: don't like Doug said, Mark Pope's going to do that
Speaker 2: because he he wanted championship with the Cats, and he
Speaker 2: knows he knows the importance of that, and I think
Speaker 2: I think it was a you know, it may prove
Speaker 2: me wrong, I hope not, but I thought it was
Speaker 2: a great hire by Mitch and I think he's going
Speaker 2: to do a phenomenal job. I don't know how they're
Speaker 2: going to do the first year because it's a brand
Speaker 2: new roster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we none of us know.
Speaker 3: It's go'll be a veteran roster, looks like though. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: but as smart as as smart as Mark Pope is,
Speaker 3: I actually have a really big senior day.
Speaker 2: You know that as smart as he is and as
Speaker 2: competitive as he is, I have to believe that he's
Speaker 2: going to win.
Speaker 1: And uh well he won in his first two stops
Speaker 1: and did not have obviously the resources he has now
Speaker 1: facilities recruiting.
Speaker 2: And I love it, Dick, the way the Kentucky fans,
Speaker 2: you know, at first, they were like, a, you know,
Speaker 2: we want the best, the winning, as big as name. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but boy, when Mark got here, they embraced him and
Speaker 2: and that that thing was, oh my gosh, it was.
Speaker 2: It was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Darren. I think you're already slated for the Blue White broadcast. Yes,
Speaker 1: so you'll be handling men's basketball and women's basketball for
Speaker 1: the time being.
Speaker 4: Can we text you You're in it, go for it?
Speaker 4: Can we can we come down be on the air
Speaker 4: with you?
Speaker 1: Can you text him during the game?
Speaker 4: I can't get down there.
Speaker 3: He more Bobby flanting in there, so I can't get
Speaker 3: down the shore.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, can can we can dare
Speaker 1: and text during a game?
Speaker 4: We know the answer to that.
Speaker 3: He's the best.
Speaker 1: This is a beat.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like that somebody is doing it for him
Speaker 3: because I see his lips moving over there.
Speaker 2: But I know it he's he's breaking down to play
Speaker 2: on the on the field and texting at the same time,
Speaker 2: two entirely different thoughts.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do that. I don't think
Speaker 1: I want to know, because I'd be tempted to try,
Speaker 1: and I struggle enough as it is. I can tell you,
Speaker 1: but that's good.
Speaker 3: But my wife will sometimes text me during the game
Speaker 3: and she'll say are you awake?
Speaker 4: And then too busy? I'll get this look from Gabe, yeah,
Speaker 4: just staring at me, like, go.
Speaker 2: Ahead, Well, you're reading a text from Darren, right.
Speaker 4: That's why I told him, I said's his fault and
Speaker 4: I'm over there just.
Speaker 1: I'm shaking my fist at him shopping.
Speaker 2: Heck, I can't even remember to put the hit set
Speaker 2: on and he's over there breaking the game down and
Speaker 2: texting at the same time.
Speaker 3: You are like fifty years younger than we are.
Speaker 1: So you're play the cookies. That's that's that's one great
Speaker 1: thing you have in common with Mark Pope. You appreciate
Speaker 1: a good cookie. He's all about cookies.
Speaker 2: Man. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: You ever worked that out? Because I know there was
Speaker 3: a little thing, but yeah, you worked it.
Speaker 4: Out, got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, oh, he's got his own I mean
Speaker 2: he's got his contact, You got your hook o, three cookies,
Speaker 2: a game, there you go, I mean, wow, and delivered
Speaker 2: really really they're delicious.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, thanks for that.
Speaker 1: Anyhow, getting back to Darren and I'm working pro day
Speaker 1: as well. We're gonna have to do some studying, aren't well.
Speaker 4: We are, man, I mean, it's it's fun to see
Speaker 4: these new rosters, like these guys were talking about and
Speaker 4: and I'm actual. You know, we had Cameron Mills on
Speaker 4: our Clark's Pumping Shop bb AND Radio that airs Monday
Speaker 4: nights on the UK Sports Now well done.
Speaker 3: He was right here in Yeah.
Speaker 4: And to hear him be so excited talking about all
Speaker 4: these new faces on the basketball team, I can't wait.
Speaker 4: They're gonna get up and down and shoot threes, They're
Speaker 4: gonna play defense. And you know, on the women's side,
Speaker 4: these these young ladies are gonna play hard. They're gonna
Speaker 4: be pretty good our team. Yeah. A lot of size
Speaker 4: at every position, a lot of size. So I'm looking
Speaker 4: forward to basketball this year. There's a lot of energy
Speaker 4: in the building right now at Joe Kraft Center.
Speaker 1: What I love about it, And I realize I sound
Speaker 1: very biased, but it's just as someone who likes a
Speaker 1: good story watching this story unfold, both the men and
Speaker 1: the women. Who are these people? How are they gonna play?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna fit into the sec and starting? And
Speaker 1: you're you're right. And Cameron, as I said, sat right
Speaker 1: here and said much of what he has said on
Speaker 1: the UK Sports Network account, what he said to you
Speaker 1: on the radio, telling the stories about how Mark coaches
Speaker 1: and says he doesn't scream and holler, he almost whispers
Speaker 1: to get their attention.
Speaker 4: They have to lean in and listen, lean in and listen.
Speaker 3: It's kind of amazing. For years you all have had
Speaker 3: to learn incoming freshman who you knew very little about.
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna have incoming seniors who you know very
Speaker 3: little about.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of info.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, they've at least got a little track
Speaker 3: record with them that's coming in. I gotta say too.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love working with Dick. We've done it
Speaker 3: for so many years and it's just one of the
Speaker 3: nice little perks and joys of life. And we have
Speaker 3: a ball and watching you guys. But I've told you before,
Speaker 3: I just I think I don't know how much longer
Speaker 3: you're gonna be here, but I think you do a
Speaker 3: great job.
Speaker 4: Of you know something I don't. Well, I put your
Speaker 4: name in for uh how many?
Speaker 2: How many? How many?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: What are the counters in front of us? How many
Speaker 2: of those have you broken since you've been here?
Speaker 4: Just one?
Speaker 3: I've never broken a count. I tell you, we watched
Speaker 3: you have some. You had some pretty good ones on
Speaker 3: this past year. A little more emotion I.
Speaker 2: Like that, Yeah, big D. Big D's a great competitor, man.
Speaker 2: I tell you, he plays to win. He plays to win.
Speaker 2: My hero is Pete Rose. Play to win the game.
Speaker 2: That's what he always said, you play to win the game.
Speaker 3: Cave Gabe as a checked me because I got intends
Speaker 3: every now and then to get a little excited. My
Speaker 3: headphones will jump off my head.
Speaker 4: And when you run into our booth and start yelling, yes, listen.
Speaker 4: The emotion that we have ups and downs, it's because,
Speaker 4: especially this past year, the group of guys we had
Speaker 4: in that dugout want it so bad for you.
Speaker 2: And you know what, you can never count those guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you know if you get if you
Speaker 4: get frustrated, or it's you're doing it for them, because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: I ken't expecting daring to get an umpire like a
Speaker 2: voodoo doll thing.
Speaker 4: It's not that bad.
Speaker 3: Hey, boys, you think the MLB baseball is bad, college
Speaker 3: baseball they need to work on that a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean they need
Speaker 3: to work on that. You'd love it pitching Getting that
Speaker 3: pitch that far outside, man, it is a strike.
Speaker 4: I did appreciate college baseball trying to become more consistent
Speaker 4: with the zones, but you cannot give college pitchers a
Speaker 4: major league zone. It's not No, it's not fair.
Speaker 1: It's not. And they're either Yeah, and again I'm probably
Speaker 1: more sympathetical umpires than you guys are. But it's like
Speaker 1: they're either they're not, probably you are. It's like they're
Speaker 1: either auditioning for the pros or they've they've had left
Speaker 1: the coffee with the pro right, good point, and trying
Speaker 1: to show tough they are. Like that is that good
Speaker 1: for the game?
Speaker 4: Good point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a better game. Yeah, if you don't notice the umpires,
Speaker 2: it's a great game.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know that's what I love when I'd work a
Speaker 1: game and I'd talked to a player a couple of
Speaker 1: days later about, hey, you know, you guys had a
Speaker 1: good game against the giants today.
Speaker 4: You know, did you work that game? Were you there?
Speaker 2: Like, yes, that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: I think it's that relationship that you were talking about.
Speaker 3: You know, why not have it with the player. I mean,
Speaker 3: I sucked up to some mini umpire was so bad
Speaker 3: hit night and suck up to every one of them.
Speaker 6: I could.
Speaker 3: I'd take them tobacco whatever they wanted. What do you need,
Speaker 3: you know, hot dog, I'll get you one.
Speaker 1: Work. Yeah.
Speaker 3: With Doug Harvey, everybody hated Doug Harvey the chief.
Speaker 4: They called him God.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true, yea.
Speaker 3: His nickname was God and the white.
Speaker 4: Had the white hair looked like a drill.
Speaker 3: Sorry, juice. The two redman chewing tobacco, so when he
Speaker 3: had a game, I'd take him out a couple of
Speaker 3: packs of it.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 3: Never had any problem with him, did you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: When'd you give it up?
Speaker 4: Back?
Speaker 3: Before I got cancer? So it's been what day is this?
Speaker 3: I think shortly after I got married. It was because
Speaker 3: my wife was thinking, really, I said, oh, my fight,
Speaker 3: I'll share it.
Speaker 4: Your breast like a spoon. What about quick funny story.
Speaker 4: I had a buddy in the minor leagues that, of
Speaker 4: course you there was a time where you were kind
Speaker 4: of pressured to chew or dip yep, because that was
Speaker 4: the cool thing to do. He hated it. He didn't
Speaker 4: want any part of it. So he would take coffee
Speaker 4: grinds and put him in a dip can and he
Speaker 4: would put coffee grinds, wow, and you know they look
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, just use coffee grinds.
Speaker 3: When I got with the Reds, when I would go
Speaker 3: into the game late for defense, usually going for third
Speaker 3: basic peak came up, so I'm going for defense. As
Speaker 3: I was going down the field and up down the
Speaker 3: dugout guys that were too and would just drill my uniform.
Speaker 3: I looked like a dalmatian. So I thought to get
Speaker 3: even I would chew myself. So they took tobacco and
Speaker 3: they'd wrapped bubble gum around it and then start chewing it.
Speaker 3: And uh, that's how we started. That's how I started.
Speaker 3: And boy, if you start, it is a hard bogger
Speaker 3: to quit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I Uh, I did chew a little bit, but it's
Speaker 2: it's funny. I enjoyed chewing more when I was fishing
Speaker 2: than when I was on the field. For some reason.
Speaker 2: It was kind of relaxing.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: But if I find interesting, you get a nicotine jolt,
Speaker 1: but it relaxes you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I never got into dipping because the first
Speaker 2: time I ever dipped, I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I don't remember having dipped back.
Speaker 2: In Yeah, well it was it was it was in
Speaker 2: the REDS organization. Somebody gave me a dip and I
Speaker 2: swear I go back to my room and the and
Speaker 2: the room is just spinning. Oh god, And I said,
Speaker 2: it's not that important to me. I don't know I'm
Speaker 2: not going to do this again, but chewing. You know,
Speaker 2: and when I first started, excuse me, first started coaching
Speaker 2: at Kentucky, Redman used to send us boxes and kidding,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, just free era. Yeah, until and then the
Speaker 2: dental school found out about it, and they gave me
Speaker 2: an education doubt and and so we stopped that.
Speaker 3: Joe Garziola was going around with that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I still use Big league chew everyone.
Speaker 3: Of course, they have substitutes now for that. I guess
Speaker 3: I don't think that's non tobacco tobacco chewing for you. No, never,
Speaker 3: never Tennessee.
Speaker 4: But you never Wow.
Speaker 2: You think about uh, you know, like baseball has its
Speaker 2: own subculture. But you think about somebody that's never seen
Speaker 2: a baseball game before and they come to game and
Speaker 2: they see guys spitting in the dugout. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: gotta be weird.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Somebody from England comes over and and and you know,
Speaker 2: these guys are all just spitting all in the dugout.
Speaker 4: The cups. That's what actually turned the.
Speaker 2: Americans spitting during sports.
Speaker 1: Right now, the cups are growing. People leave them around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you said to dental school, excuse me, I chewed a
Speaker 1: little bit in adult league, and I started dating a
Speaker 1: dentist and she told me what exactly what it was
Speaker 1: doing to my gums, and I gave it up on
Speaker 1: the spot. So when you can get that information at education.
Speaker 1: On that disgusting note, we'll take a break, come back
Speaker 1: with more from the Chain Gang.
Speaker 3: And it all started with the Beverly with he Hall.
Speaker 1: Here on six thirty doubles. I'll come back to the garage.
Speaker 1: It's our final segment with a Chain Gang. Darren Hendrick,
Speaker 1: Keith Madison and Doug Flynn. We've run the gauntlet. We've
Speaker 1: talked baseball, football, basketball, chewing, tobacco. Heehaw uh. We haven't
Speaker 1: talked much music because there are new rules about the
Speaker 1: Internet and my show is like so many the show
Speaker 1: Darren does on Monday, Seam Deal goes to the Internet
Speaker 1: as a podcast and there are copyright laws blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: So you can't play them. Can you even talk about it?
Speaker 1: We can talk about them, but we'll talk about music
Speaker 1: Without the music, it's not good.
Speaker 2: But I will say last night I listened to a
Speaker 2: song called Woodstock that was written by Joni Mitchell. Yes,
Speaker 2: and it was done by Matthew Southern Comfort, a group
Speaker 2: back in the early seventies. I've listened to Joni Mitchell
Speaker 2: sing it quite frankly, does nothing for me. Crosby steals
Speaker 2: a Nash great job, a little upbeat, yeah, but Matthew
Speaker 2: Southern Comfort knocked it out of the part.
Speaker 1: Woodstock isn't that interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So all you know, all you people out there
Speaker 2: that have watched the movie Woodstock, you got to listen
Speaker 2: to that song the way Matthew Southern Comfort portrays it.
Speaker 1: I was reading a thing on the internet about jennle
Speaker 1: on my mind and we all kind of grew up
Speaker 1: hearing Glenn Campbell you sing it, but hearing John Hartford
Speaker 1: sing it? Who wrote it? Yeah, it's different and it's
Speaker 1: not I don't know what the word I'm looking for,
Speaker 1: coach not. I hate to say commercial because John Hartford
Speaker 1: didn't sing a lot of songs publicly, but I think
Speaker 1: he's saying yo yo man and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but you know, and we heard Glenn Campbell
Speaker 1: do it so smoothly. Somebody hits but it's funny when
Speaker 1: you hear a guy like that who wrote it, you know,
Speaker 1: and somebody else sings it and gives it a different light.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think of Chris Christopher's oh
Speaker 2: my good one, Yeah, just lost him, just lost him,
Speaker 2: and and his his rendition.
Speaker 1: Of Sunday Morning coming down.
Speaker 2: The one that, uh it's happened. I'm old, I forgot
Speaker 2: we know that. Uh, come on, get it out be
Speaker 2: and Bobby m yeah being Bobby McGee. The way that
Speaker 2: Chris Christopherson sings it is not nearly as good as
Speaker 2: Janice Jopplin. I mean she puts soul into it. Even
Speaker 2: though he wrote it. She just knocks it out of
Speaker 2: the part.
Speaker 1: It's just another word for nothing left to lose.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: How about that for a line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you get a chance, my wife and I
Speaker 3: are going to see all these groups. Like we went
Speaker 3: saw Casey in the Sunshine Band. Uh, we were gonna
Speaker 3: go see saw your Brown.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: The other night we went talk and saw Eddie Montgomery.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, there you go ed at renfro Valley and
Speaker 3: Eddie put on a heck of a show. It is,
Speaker 3: I mean it's not And then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you're in there and you realize, man, they had a
Speaker 3: lot of songs. Yeah, and his band sounds good.
Speaker 1: And he sounds good and renfer Valley is underappreciated.
Speaker 4: It really is.
Speaker 3: We've seen We'll go see the Oaks again there this year.
Speaker 3: We'll see the Gatlands again this year. But we're taking
Speaker 3: were just going out and seeing a lot of the
Speaker 3: older groups, like you know, saw your Brown. Uh, he's
Speaker 3: not gonna be there. They had to cancel till November.
Speaker 3: Has got some voice stuff going on. But you know
Speaker 3: that's it's so fun that if you love music, go
Speaker 3: down to Renfro Valley.
Speaker 2: That's a fun place.
Speaker 4: It is it is. I've been on a in the
Speaker 4: month of September. I was on a motown Kick four Sea,
Speaker 4: four Tops, Wow Haitians, And so far this month it's
Speaker 4: been more eighties one hit Wonders Go West, Duran, Duran.
Speaker 2: Has has boy George ever been down to d for
Speaker 2: about probably not?
Speaker 1: Are you asking?
Speaker 3: Doug stared right at me, did right a whole right through.
Speaker 3: You know you're going to start taking more of that,
Speaker 3: Jared Tools. I'll still say you were the best coach
Speaker 3: I ever had, though.
Speaker 2: That's terrible.
Speaker 4: There isn't anyone hadn't rather coach than you.
Speaker 1: Well, we only have about a minute and a half left.
Speaker 1: But I think we've covered just about everything or any
Speaker 1: think anybody wants to get off their chest.
Speaker 2: Or well, I'm just embarrassed. I forgot the words to Bobby.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 1: We were able to stop the tape and figure it out,
Speaker 1: fire it back up.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing.
Speaker 1: Chris Stopfords that story about him landing a helicopter, Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: that's If you don't know that story, google it. Christofferson,
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash, right, helicopter because you.
Speaker 4: Flew chi delivering a song?
Speaker 1: Yeah, which and which one was it Sunday morning?
Speaker 4: Yes? I believe it was.
Speaker 1: And Johnny Cash like yeah, okay, well we'll record this.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: I don't want to end this on too much of
Speaker 4: a down note, but prayers to all of our friends
Speaker 4: and families in East Tennessee, Western North Carolina, Georgia. It's
Speaker 4: it's really bad down there, and so people down there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and if if anybody can help out, they need it, Bridges, water, food, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Who's Samaritan? Per go through the Red Cross? Who's Red Cross?
Speaker 4: Is probably the best at this point. I mean, there
Speaker 4: are people that are doing their own volunteer work, but
Speaker 4: they're trying to minimize that because they're still doing rescue
Speaker 4: and recovery right now.
Speaker 1: Well that is a good note to en Donal.
Speaker 2: We thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: Thank you all you boys. Great to see you. We'll
Speaker 1: do it again soon.
Speaker 4: I promise.
Speaker 1: Keep your phone handy, Doug. We'll be texting.
Speaker 3: I know twelve o'clock. I'll be waiting anxiously for your tweets.
Speaker 4: You can't miss it.
Speaker 2: It's good stuff always.
Speaker 1: And we hope you've enjoyed another visit from the chain
Speaker 1: gang the garage guys. I love it when they come
Speaker 1: by because truly it's easy for me. I just sit back,
Speaker 1: push their buttons, push the buttons on my equipment and
Speaker 1: have a good time. So they'll be back with us soon.
Speaker 1: I hope we'll be back with you tomorrow night. Looking
Speaker 1: ahead to next football week and of course the basketball overlap.
Speaker 1: Next week begins with Pro Day on Monday. It'll be
Speaker 1: on sec Bus and Madness on Friday, UK Andy on Saturday.
Speaker 1: That's it. Good night from the garage in Lexington.
Speaker 2: So am I to understand that you men completed your
Speaker 2: training on your own.
Speaker 4: That's the fact.
Speaker 5: Everything