WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:03.399 Welcome to The Big Blue Insider, Thursday edition of our show. 2 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:06.639 It's a special edition of The Big Blue Insider because 3 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:10.320 the Chain Gang is here. The Garage Guys is the subtitle, 4 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:13.279 but it's Darren Headrick, the radio voice of UK baseball 5 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:17.320 and women's basketball, Doug Flynn, the gold Glove winning infielder, 6 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:22.000 former teammate of Pete Rose and of course a member 7 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:24.879 of the Big Red Machine, gold glove winning infielder with 8 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:28.280 the New York Mets, and my broadcast partner on SEC 9 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:31.640 Plus for UK Baseball, as well as UK Hall of 10 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:36.200 Fame baseball coach Keith Madison. We text each other every day, 11 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:39.280 all day, it seems into the night, the wee hours 12 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:44.799 and Keith lovely bride Sharon nicknamed us the Chain Gang. 13 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:48.039 So every once in a while, if you follow our show, 14 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:51.359 you know this that they assemble here in the garage 15 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:56.000 and we talk about anything and everything baseball, football, basketball, music, 16 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:59.479 no politics. But of course on this edition we're going 17 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:02.479 to talk prose a lot of Pete Rose because he 18 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:05.400 and Doug were buddies. They were tight up up until 19 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:09.879 Pete passed away, and we'll talk about the controversy's surrounding 20 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:15.840 Pete Rose. The lega of the complicated legacy is the 21 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.439 way it's being put. But of course, Doug going to 22 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:21.920 bat for his good friend, has done a lot of 23 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:24.120 interviews this week for local TV. I don't know if 24 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:28.480 he's talked to any sports writers, but Doug rarely gives 25 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:30.560 interviews and I'm not going to get into that. That's 26 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.640 his personal business. But he does come on my show 27 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:36.959 quite frequently and comes to the garage and we always 28 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:38.760 have a ball and I get a lot of feedback 29 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:41.400 from you all about that, which I do appreciate. So 30 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:43.840 that's coming up in our very next segment and it 31 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:47.200 will consume the rest of the show, if you will. 32 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:49.599 But we need to talk about a couple of things. 33 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:52.840 No football game this week, as you know, it's open date. 34 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:56.359 But volleyball got a huge win last night, and it 35 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:59.439 was a tough one, but they knocked off Oklahoma, took 36 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:04.239 fives thirteenth rank Wildcats win it thanks to Brooklyn Delay 37 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:06.640 and a lot of them. I mean, everybody played pretty well, 38 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:10.919 but Brooklyn Delay had twenty five kills and it was 39 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:13.319 the first five said match of the year that Kentucky 40 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.599 was able to win, and they did it in historic 41 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:20.400 Memorial Coliseum, Oklahoma, as you know, one of the new 42 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:24.520 members of the Southeastern Conference. Not quite as accomplished at 43 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:28.159 volleyball as it is at women's softball, not quite as 44 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:31.159 good at volleyball as Texas is, but still a good team. 45 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:35.919 And Kentucky's got significant injury problems, including Aaron Lamb, one 46 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:37.879 of the Biggs who's been playing some of her best 47 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:40.800 volleyball for her career this year. She missed the match, 48 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:44.719 but Kentucky more than made up for Aaron Lamb's loss, 49 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:49.280 so Wildcats with a big win over Oklahoma. As you know, 50 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.960 the Tigers eliminated the Astros. I didn't realize that the 51 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.919 Astros had been to the America League Championship Series, you know, 52 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.439 one step away from the World Series seven straight seasons. 53 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.280 But they aren't gonna get there now thanks to the 54 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:06.199 young Tigers with a tiny payroll and forever more. I 55 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:08.159 think the Astros are going to be the anti hero 56 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:10.919 for so many people because they cheated their way to 57 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.319 a World Series title a few years ago. And who's 58 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.240 managing the Tigers? Aj Hintz, the gay to manage the 59 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:20.039 Astros back then, for better or worse, you know, the 60 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.599 Royals beat the Ools by one run again two to 61 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:26.000 one after a one nothing win, so that eliminates Baltimore. 62 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:29.800 The Mets and Brewers are tied up, Brewers winning last night, 63 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:33.159 and the Padres eliminate the Braves. There are a lot 64 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:35.919 of Braves fans around here, but Padres knocked them out. 65 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:38.759 I think they're the now team in the playoffs, so 66 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.080 keep an eye on them all right. Coming up next 67 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.360 here in the garage, it's going to be Darren Hedrick, 68 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.719 Keith Madison, and Doug Flynn. It's the Chain Gang, the 69 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:50.080 garage guys today. That's the rest of the programs. So 70 00:03:50.159 --> 00:04:11.439 stay with us here on six point thirty wlap. The 71 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:14.719 guys are here. It's the Chain Gang, the garage guys. 72 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:21.240 Doug Flynn, go glove infielder, Keith Madison, Hall of Fame, 73 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:26.279 Kentucky Fields, Darren Hedrick, radio voice of the baseball Wildcats 74 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:29.519 and UK Women's basketball. We play them in. We have 75 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.839 not been in the garage. It's been a while, did we. 76 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:33.879 I think we got together right after the World Series? 77 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:38.480 Is that sounds college World Series and much to discuss. 78 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:40.959 You've already got your snowman out the garage. 79 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.800 Yeah, I got the we've got the one that lights up. 80 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:44.439 That's right. 81 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.920 Was he there? And June, he's been here. 82 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:51.240 We just haven't lit him up. We've been lit up 83 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.000 and he wasn't lit You know what I missed it, Darren. 84 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.920 What I should have said is what snowman? Yeah, coach, 85 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:06.199 are you seeing a snowman? Turn it? Maybe next time? Well, 86 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:08.040 and here we are right in the middle of It's 87 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.160 hard to believe it's the middle of football, but it's 88 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.360 also a playoff time. The regular season just ended. But 89 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.000 we must begin with Pete Rose, and we will get 90 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.079 into the controversy as well. But I got to start 91 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.399 with you, mister Flynn. And I have handled phone calls 92 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:26.680 from other mediatlets trying to reach the elusive Doug Flynn. 93 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.720 But obviously you're a teammate, you're a friend. Introduce you 94 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:34.240 to your lovely bride. I got to think this was 95 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:36.480 tough for you, and as you every guy should. Seems 96 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:38.519 every time I talk to you, you say we've lost 97 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:39.160 another one. 98 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.000 Pete is the eighth one from our seventy five team. Wow, 99 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.959 and next year being our fifty year reunion, it won't 100 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:50.160 be coming any too soon. 101 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:51.120 Yeah. 102 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:53.800 So the Grade eight is now down to the grade six, 103 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:58.680 And yeah, it's you know, I think if we'd have 104 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.720 heard he didn't look good, but there wasn't any rumors 105 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:05.519 about him not feeling good or having any kind of issues. 106 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:09.079 But it looks like that his heart just I know, 107 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:10.920 he's doing the cartshow over the weekend. Looked like his 108 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.920 heart went out on him. And I've talked to Marty today, 109 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:18.600 I talked to Johnny and everybody just and even though 110 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.399 we knew he didn't look good, everybody's still kind of shocked, 111 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:24.800 you know, and pretty numb and larger than Rose. It's 112 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:27.600 Peter Rose. Yeah, and it's kind of a good lesson. 113 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:32.279 It's a wake up call again to say, you know, 114 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:35.040 take care of yourself, be thankful for every day you 115 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:39.240 wake up. This life's a blessing. And you just hate 116 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.160 to see him have to end up like he did. 117 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:46.680 But the coroner reports said, my pretension hardening of the arteries, 118 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:51.639 heart disease. You know so much of it, yeah, from 119 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:56.639 diabetes and being diabetic myself. I'm well schooled in a 120 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:59.199 lot of that stuff. But like you said, Darren, you 121 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.160 just don't think he Rose as being a mere mortal. 122 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.439 No. I mean when you think about the career. He 123 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.720 had twenty three seasons, ten straight years where he played 124 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:11.160 ninety six percent of his games. I think he missed 125 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.639 like four over a ten year stretch. All time winning 126 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:20.839 his player hit king, forty four game hit streak, three 127 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:26.160 time World Champion, seventeen time All Star. I mean, it's 128 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.199 one of the greatest careers anybody could have in the 129 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:29.399 history of Major League Baseball. 130 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.040 Doesn't he have the record as well obviously for singles? 131 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:36.240 Yeah, at bat bats, doubles, I think he's second in 132 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.319 doubles now games played, Yeah. 133 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:42.439 Just incredible. And coach, you knew him, of course when 134 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.759 you were a younger minor leaguer and then through the years. 135 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.399 But he was a guy who wasn't supposed to make it. 136 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:50.720 That's what amazed me the most. Was kind of a 137 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:54.560 pudgy kid from Cincinnati, was at Western Hills High School, 138 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:59.560 and yet he comes in with a flat top and just. 139 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:02.360 Stick That's right. You know, he didn't even play he 140 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:04.519 didn't get to play sports a senior in high school. 141 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:09.959 Why academics, no kidding. Yeah, he he got cut from 142 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.399 the football team one year, like I think it was 143 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:15.959 a sophomore year, and he just kind of gave up 144 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.439 on live football was so big to him at that time. Yeah, 145 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:20.920 and he just kind of gave up on life and 146 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:24.240 and al I wouldn't say life, but on on doing 147 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:29.040 anything positive and and just didn't didn't go to class 148 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:33.120 and didn't do well and and all that. But you know, 149 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.559 he he got his chance and he made the best 150 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.840 of it. And until I read that book Charlie Hustle, 151 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:44.639 I didn't know this, but he played on his first 152 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:46.480 year at the minor leagues. He played on the worst 153 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.159 team in all of professional baseball, really, and Tony Prez 154 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:53.559 was on a team. And even with those two on 155 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.120 the team, they still lost more games than any other 156 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:59.639 professional base Wow. And and the fans weren't coming out 157 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:04.039 until they started watching Pete Rose. The fans didn't come back. 158 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:07.399 And when he started playing like we know that Pete plays, 159 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.840 the fans got into it and and the fans started 160 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.279 coming back. Uh. So that was interesting to read. The 161 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:16.919 first half of that book is awesome because it talks 162 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.840 about Pete's journey. The second half I kind of wish 163 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:22.960 I had read it. Which book is this? It's called 164 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:23.759 Charlie Hustle. 165 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.480 Oh, is that one by Keith O'Brien. 166 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:26.960 Yeah, came out this summer. 167 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:27.240 Yah. 168 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:32.480 Yeah, and so yeah, I mean just for me even 169 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:34.519 I knew Pete a little bit, not nearly as well 170 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:36.679 as Doug, but but he was good to me, you know. 171 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.679 He he treated me like he treated the big league guys. 172 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.320 Took me a couple of places with him, and I 173 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:44.720 don't know why, but I would just. 174 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.639 Lucky you were a baseball professional. Yeah, and I got 175 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:49.879 to think in his eyes that elevated you did. 176 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:51.919 And he had a tendency to take all the young 177 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.120 players under his wing. I've listened to the talk shows 178 00:09:55.960 --> 00:10:00.960 recently yesterday, which is unusual for you, which very unusual 179 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.840 for me, and to hear all the bad stuff that 180 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.759 people are saying about Pete, about his character and everything. 181 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:12.720 I even listened to Mossi's story last night, and you know, 182 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:16.480 I gotta think Pete was just having fun with those guys. 183 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:19.960 He would never because there was no one better with 184 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:22.159 the media than him win or lose. So I would 185 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:24.480 think it was just taken wrong and he was just 186 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:25.799 having a little fun with the kids. 187 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:29.879 And Doug's referring to a young reporter going into the 188 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:33.559 Red's clubhouse and trust me, this guy is a good guy, 189 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.519 John Jury, but had that kind of face, that cherubic face, 190 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:40.399 and I'm sure Pete sized him up as a new guy. 191 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:43.440 And I would almost see that as a badge of honor. 192 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.480 If you're treated like that, be one of the guys. Yeah, yeah, 193 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.240 you're one of the guys. I've been indoctrinated, initiated. 194 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:53.080 Then I heard some on another show, somebody call in 195 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.200 and say, well, Pete was just a bad man. He 196 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.240 was just a bad person, and I almost I started 197 00:10:58.240 --> 00:10:59.919 to call and then he went right to the news, 198 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:01.600 and I was going to go on there and say 199 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:04.279 I was going to defend my friend. Basically, I was 200 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:06.320 gonna do this. If you know, don't say it. The 201 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:09.879 guy made a mistake. I mean, but do you get 202 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:11.679 on there and say that you don't know all the 203 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.279 good stuff he did that he never got publicized, So 204 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:16.879 don't be coming under saying kind of stuff. So I 205 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:19.600 told someone, if you want to talk to me about Pete, 206 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:21.919 let's talk about the Pete that I know. Yeah, we're 207 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:23.759 not going to talk about the one you hear read 208 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.399 about some of the mistakes he made, But I'm gonna 209 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.039 tell you about a lot of the good stuff Pete 210 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:29.240 Rose did for a lot of people. 211 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.960 Doug, I know you tend to stay off social media 212 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.279 almost entirely, but I just want you to know that 213 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:37.559 the day Pete passed away, no one McCarthy immediately reposted 214 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:40.639 the video of the two the moment you two had 215 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:43.799 at the World Series with Pete Rose text message, and 216 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.159 I just want I hope Pete knows that that meant 217 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.360 the world to that young man to hear from Charlie 218 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.120 Hustle about his diving to home. 219 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:55.399 I just watched that, rewatched the video and I think 220 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:57.679 I think it was on your site. 221 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:59.080 I reposted it too. 222 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:01.480 Yeah, I would had watched that, and then I wasn't 223 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.159 there at the stadium and the dugout at the time. 224 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.440 But that was so cool that you were able to 225 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:09.639 share that with knowlan. 226 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.840 Well and even now, how much more special is it now? 227 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.960 Yeah? Absolutely? You know what what hasn't been mentioned yet 228 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:21.360 that I'd like to mention is when I was a 229 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:24.720 young guy playing high school baseball, and even even before 230 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:29.559 Pete Rose made it cool to hustle, you know, the 231 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:32.679 way he played the game, and every chance I got, 232 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:34.919 I watched the Reds when he was just coming up 233 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:38.120 and the way he ran the bases, the way he 234 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.480 sprinted the first base on a walk. Man, the guy 235 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.120 was a baseball player, you know he and he, I 236 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:49.279 mean he was an example for all great athletes in 237 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:53.159 all sports to give your best every at bat, every 238 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:56.919 time you get on base. He was always given his best. 239 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:01.320 And he loved the game. He literally had fun with 240 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:03.600 all the aspects of the game. He had fun with 241 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.759 the hitting. He had fun with getting on guys, I 242 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:09.639 mean around the baton cage with some of the funniest 243 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.639 stuff I ever heard in my life. Can't repeat it. 244 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:14.720 All everybody, it was. 245 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:18.240 It was amazing, and he would usually be one of 246 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:19.480 the ones to stir it up. 247 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:20.720 Uh. 248 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:22.559 And how are you going to get on a guy 249 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.559 like him? I mean, he never went in a slump. 250 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:28.159 You couldn't get on. Call them lolls. 251 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:32.519 Yeah, that loll for him would be old for four Yeah. 252 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:36.440 So I got to throw batting practice to to the 253 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:39.240 guys in spring training one day, and and we were 254 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.840 over in clear Water, and a man, I just I 255 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:44.360 felt like a big time I'm on the bus with you, 256 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:48.399 Pete Rose and Tony Perez and all these guys. And 257 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.840 so we get to clear water and and and my 258 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.159 job is throw batting practice. And Pete comes up to me, 259 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:56.960 he said, he said, kid, he said, I I don't 260 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:58.519 I don't want you to try to strike me out. 261 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:00.480 I want you to throw me good BP. I'm trying 262 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:05.120 to get ready for the season. And then made me 263 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.080 so nervous. He said, the first two I want you 264 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.399 to throw in because I want to get my hands out. 265 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:14.159 The next tube, I want you to throw right down 266 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:15.519 the middle, and I want to hit it back up 267 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:18.879 the middle. And the last two in the first round, 268 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:20.559 I want you to throw him outside. I want to 269 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.000 hit him the other way. I'm going, Oh my gosh, 270 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:26.080 I've never I've never thrown six pitches for a correct 271 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:31.039 location of my life. And somehow he I mean, even 272 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:32.840 if I missed, he still did it. You know, he 273 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:34.799 could pull the ball, he could go up the middle, 274 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.200 he could go the other way. And then this is 275 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:40.879 this is awesome when when Tony Perez gets up Pete's 276 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:44.360 back behind the cage and he Pete does this, he 277 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:46.960 does the fastball motion with his hand. Yeah, and he 278 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.200 wants me to throw hard Tony. So I threw a 279 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.440 little harder, and Tony kind of stares me down and 280 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:56.759 hilarion at it. And then the next the next pitch, 281 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:01.559 Pete gives me the curveball side no, and I throw 282 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:04.919 a curveball and Tony missed it about ten inches, and 283 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.240 so then the guys behind were laughing and Tony Tony 284 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:11.720 turned around and gave it back to Pete. But I'm 285 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:14.399 going man, I was such a Pete Rose fan. I 286 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:15.720 would have done anything he told me. 287 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:17.480 That was daily too. 288 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:19.360 That's got to sound familiar. 289 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:20.399 It's just daily. 290 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:22.720 They would get on, four of them, Johnny, Pete, Joe 291 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.240 and Tony. The four of them sat in the corner 292 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.799 and would rag each other unmercifully the things they'd said. 293 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:34.919 You'd say, he's got friends, and if anybody else joined in, 294 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.200 then those four would turn on whoever. Because Davey thought 295 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.519 he belonged in that group. Oh uh, and Pete Tony 296 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.159 one day said, Davy, you're not as good as we are, 297 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:45.879 and nobody can understand what you're saying. 298 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:51.600 No, we gotta step out. We'll come right back and 299 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:54.120 talk more with the garage gang here in just a minute. 300 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.000 Doug Flynn, Keith Madison, Darren Hedrick on six thirty WLAP 301 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:00.080 Welcome back to the Big Moon. Satter here in the 302 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.720 garage with a chain gang. Darren Hedrick, Heith Madison, Doug 303 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.879 Flynn were sharing Pete Rose stories I talked about. I 304 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.000 had a couple of encounters with Pete. One was okay, 305 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.200 one not so okay. But again I was indoctrinated, kind 306 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.279 of almost knocked me down in the clubhouse, threw his 307 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.399 shoulder into me, like, hey kid, you know. But I'm like, hey, 308 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:25.960 I got a story to tell, don't I. But before 309 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.000 I get into the controversy, one more story from you. 310 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.879 This can be quick, Doug. But when we were doing 311 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.440 the minor league games, one of those teams was managed 312 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:37.840 by Pete Junior, and you told a story about Pete 313 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.120 Junior calling Dad when he was in a lull or 314 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.320 I think he used the s word a slump and 315 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:44.120 asked for advice. 316 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.360 Yeah, Pete, you know he picked up the fellow says Dad, Man, 317 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:51.000 I'm struggling one for eighteen. He says, what I do? 318 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.200 Pete said, how do I know? I've never been in 319 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:53.840 a story. 320 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:57.240 He said called Davy. Davy, I'll tell you how to 321 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:57.879 get out of him. 322 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:03.000 Let me tell you one little quick please, So seventy 323 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.119 five seventy six, we win seventy You got to have 324 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:09.640 three years in the big leagues to move outside of 325 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:13.319 where the team stays during spring training. If not, you 326 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.240 stay at the team hotel where the media and everybody stays. 327 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:21.200 So seventy seven January, my sister disappears. Dick Wagner, the 328 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:22.880 general manager. I called him up and say, Dick, I 329 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.480 want to live away from all the stuff. I got 330 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.240 questions going on, We got investigations. Da da da da dah, 331 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:30.839 I said, And I want my parents to come down, 332 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:32.039 and I don't want them to be around on the 333 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:36.039 media people because we're getting phone calls daily. What do 334 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:39.319 you think that just because you want to break the rules, 335 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:40.799 you got to have three years. You know that. And 336 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:44.000 I said I know that, But I said this. I 337 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:47.599 thought these circumstances, it would you would understand. He says no. 338 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:49.759 He says, the rules are rules, and you got to 339 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.119 buy by him. I said, okay, I quit. 340 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:53.440 Wow. 341 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:57.000 I hang up the phone. So I'm sitting there thinking 342 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:01.039 what did you just do? So an hour goes by 343 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:04.720 the phone rings. It's Pete and he's laughing. He said, 344 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:08.079 did you quit? I said, yeah, I said, Pete got 345 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:10.000 two World Series in two years. The only place I 346 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.920 think goes down from here. And he said, you're not quitting. 347 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.079 I said, well, he said, I already know the story. 348 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:20.880 He said, I'm staying at the King Arthur's Enn, right 349 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:23.559 down from the ballpark. He said, I got a room 350 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:24.880 for you, and I got a room for your mom 351 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:26.359 and dad. It won't cost you nothing. 352 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:27.359 Wow. 353 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:31.200 And I went there, and that probably had a little 354 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.559 bit to do why I got traded, because Dick Wagner was, yeah, 355 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:34.960 you know, but Pete. 356 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:36.599 Well, he's a clown who broke up the Reds. 357 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:38.960 Here's a clown. I agree with you. He's a clown. 358 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:42.039 He treated people rude, he treated people mean. He only 359 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.759 used me. There's some other people talk differently about him. 360 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:48.799 I don't know him being any different. Well that was it. 361 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:49.279 That was it. 362 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:49.839 That was it. 363 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.319 So that did it right there. But so Pete did that, 364 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.119 and there was all kinds of stuff if you went 365 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.680 to his house, like I started collecting autographs, which I 366 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:00.359 never did before, and all of a sudden I thought I'd 367 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:02.599 do it. He said, here he throws his rookie cards 368 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:04.599 and start off with this one wow. 369 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:05.599 Wow. 370 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:07.240 Or he'd give you a pair I got a big 371 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:09.759 pair of those big Porche sunglasses that he used to wear. 372 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:13.359 I've never worn them. I mean, cover your whole head. 373 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.119 I can't pull it off, but I still he just 374 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.200 he gave people shoes. I just got a letter. Guy 375 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.000 the other day, his son got blown up in Iraq. 376 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:26.759 Pete found out about it, picked up the phone and 377 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.400 talked to him from an hour and stuff like that. 378 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:34.720 The media just you'll do it, but most of our 379 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.079 media won't cover that. And I'm so sick of them 380 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.519 burying him over the stuff now. I mean, for forty 381 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:42.920 years they've been getting on him the same people are 382 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:45.160 getting on him that Pete would give an interview with 383 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:47.480 that no one else would ever talk to. But people 384 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:50.279 give an interview when loser draw he do it, and 385 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.640 they'd kiss his rear end for that, and then as 386 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:54.799 soon as he got in trouble, they've been burying him 387 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:56.799 ever since. And I got a feeling we're gonna talk 388 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:57.279 about that here. 389 00:19:57.279 --> 00:19:59.720 Well we are, because Darren, you've got strong feelings of 390 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.559 I know everybody does about the lifetime ban and things 391 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:03.960 like that. 392 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:08.240 So yeah, you know, in terms of the lifetime ban, 393 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:10.680 I get it, which, by the way, There's been some 394 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:13.319 misconstruing with that. There's a lot of people that said, well, 395 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.400 it's a lifetime ban. Now that he's gone, he should 396 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.640 be Hall of Fame eligible. The rule actually says permanently banned, 397 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.039 not lifetime ban. But still, the one thing that people 398 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:25.759 should also know, and I don't think the common baseball 399 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.640 fan realizes, is the Baseball Hall of Fame is not 400 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:31.599 owned or operated or voted on by Major League Baseball. 401 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:35.119