Speaker 1: Is very important to this audience. The question, of course,
Speaker 1: where do we draw the line or you, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: meaning public safety and government surveillance and what you've just said,
Speaker 1: Jeff is very interesting. It should trip off a nerve
Speaker 1: in the body to say, wow, enough is enough. But
Speaker 1: let let us talk about this subject from both sides
Speaker 1: of the equation. The science and mystery of surveillance in
Speaker 1: our world today. Yes, you can get in on the
Speaker 1: conversation and the theater of the mind one eight hundred
Speaker 1: eight four eight nine two two two to feel what
Speaker 1: everybody out there feels should be and with controls as
Speaker 1: many people want, or the complete abolition of these type
Speaker 1: of cameras. I find it fascinating. Just a little side
Speaker 1: story for you and the audience. They may not know this.
Speaker 1: Many many years ago, over fifteen I represented a company,
Speaker 1: and I'm honest that was in the video surveillance world
Speaker 1: for in custody chain of custody law enforcement, in other words,
Speaker 1: in the patrol car. They had a data recorder that
Speaker 1: went into the area where the radio was.
Speaker 2: For those of you that.
Speaker 1: Are fans of the forward police vehicles of day's gone by,
Speaker 1: this was known as the P seventy one platform from Ford,
Speaker 1: simply known as a police car. And in that particular case, Jeff,
Speaker 1: and to everybody listening, there was a video surveillance camera
Speaker 1: when an officer would do a traffic stop. They also
Speaker 1: had an audio type of device, well before the before
Speaker 1: these new Exxon cameras that are now out there. The
Speaker 1: problematic thing was one day and I was sitting in
Speaker 1: a meeting with entire staff, maybe one hundred people. Somebody
Speaker 1: came in, Jeff with a presentation and I was kind
Speaker 1: of shocked, and this really got me to think. I
Speaker 1: had a question my own sanitay in doing this.
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 1: License plate reader cameras. The guy got up at the
Speaker 1: podium and said, we now have the technology to go
Speaker 1: through any shopping mall and scan every single license plate
Speaker 1: and we can find out who might have a warrant,
Speaker 1: who has unpaid traffic tickets. And it kind of bothered me.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not being melodramatic. It fits very well
Speaker 1: to what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, no, absolutely, you know, and you know there's
Speaker 3: there's you know, there's schools that are called contracting with
Speaker 3: the plot cameras. There's churches that are that are that
Speaker 3: are contracting with and there's h o ways in addition
Speaker 3: to the cities and the police and the police departments
Speaker 3: and and all that. And and again it's like when
Speaker 3: you when you when you think about it from a
Speaker 3: school security standpoint, if you have access to these flot
Speaker 3: cameras and you can identify license plates, and you can
Speaker 3: identify cars and and all that, you get the immediate
Speaker 3: benefit of that. And I would argue that that's probably
Speaker 3: a pretty good application of it to where if if
Speaker 3: a kid goes missing, then you you would immediately know, okay,
Speaker 3: well we know that the last place that that they
Speaker 3: got in was this vehicle, and then you can actually
Speaker 3: track the car down and all that. So on one hand,
Speaker 3: again you see the benefit of that, but also when
Speaker 3: you when you also think about it, like you explained,
Speaker 3: there is a vast invasion of privacy. And again we
Speaker 3: have to we have to preface this by by saying
Speaker 3: that in general, you could argue this technology is going
Speaker 3: to be used for good. You got to you know,
Speaker 3: hunt down the bad guys who's got warrant out, But
Speaker 3: there's also been instances where flock cameras have been used
Speaker 3: and abuse and you can also see the potential for
Speaker 3: a much more tyrannical application of it. You know, just
Speaker 3: think about what's happening in China with a social credit scores.
Speaker 3: You saw what happened with the with the COVID lockdowns
Speaker 3: and all the security and metments they were doing over
Speaker 3: there in China, Like you know, the Chinese that infiltrated
Speaker 3: a lot of different aspects of the United States government,
Speaker 3: of our society out here. So when you think about it,
Speaker 3: the technology is in place for that kind of a
Speaker 3: surveillance state that we have to be very cautious about that.
Speaker 3: We don't, you know, fast track it to that point.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm not a biblical scholar by any means, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you can help us as we navigate through time
Speaker 1: and space there. But if you look at flock, I've
Speaker 1: done a little research in the Bible, and there's so
Speaker 1: many chapters in the Bible in which flock is defined
Speaker 1: and it comes down to this, and this was a
Speaker 1: summation human helplessness, naivete dependence in large crowds or groups.
Speaker 1: So I got to ask you this, what does in
Speaker 1: your opinion the flock term? Is it named after an
Speaker 1: individual or what's the namesake behind the name plock? Does
Speaker 1: it have any significant meaning other than the way it sounds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think I think that it's it's it's
Speaker 3: really interesting because because it depends on how on how
Speaker 3: conspiratorial people want to get on that one. It's interesting
Speaker 3: because because because the very obviously the very definition of
Speaker 3: it is is that group mentality of I think I
Speaker 3: think really what they were trying to convey was this
Speaker 3: idea that we've got this group of cameras, you know,
Speaker 3: all tied together with with artificial intelligence to where you know,
Speaker 3: they're all working in conjunction with each other, just like
Speaker 3: a flock of birds or what or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: I think that the you know, when when you start
Speaker 3: getting into more of the of the conspiratorial standpoint, you know,
Speaker 3: like you know, it reminds me of you know, the
Speaker 3: you know, when you start dealing with the demonic entities
Speaker 3: that you that you know, Jesus would confront or the
Speaker 3: posssibly confronts, and you know, whether whether it was like
Speaker 3: Legion and there was these hosts of demonic entities and
Speaker 3: beings and yet I don't want to convey this idea
Speaker 3: that this is for sure like a demonic type of thing,
Speaker 3: but exactly reminiscent. It's very it's very reminiscent of that.
Speaker 3: And what's really the other really interesting thing is that
Speaker 3: I've been diving a lot more into the worldview behind
Speaker 3: you know, Silicon Valley and technology, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of that kind of symbolism hidden within a lot of
Speaker 3: the names and a lot of the logos amongst a
Speaker 3: lot of the Silicon Valley you know, tech companies, and
Speaker 3: and it's been interesting because there's been a lot of articles.
Speaker 3: And actually talked to a reporter for Rolling Stone several
Speaker 3: months ago about this, about the story which was that,
Speaker 3: you know, they were saying that there's a Christian revival
Speaker 3: happening within Silicon Valley. But the more that I researched it,
Speaker 3: the more that I looked into it, it wasn't as
Speaker 3: much of a Christian revival as a Gnostic revival. So
Speaker 3: they were actually believing in the Gnostic Gospels, which are
Speaker 3: contradictory what we find in the whole in the Holy Scriptures,
Speaker 3: and so, you know, it's it's really interesting because when
Speaker 3: when you look at the world view behind the Gnostic Gospels,
Speaker 3: it very much is in line with Silicon Valley, which
Speaker 3: is the search for hidden knowledge and and you know,
Speaker 3: you know, discovering all of these things. So it's it's
Speaker 3: it fits in with that kind of mentality, if that
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Well, Nor to Jeff and I, ladies and gentlemen, obviously
Speaker 1: not just saying that for safety reasons. I want to
Speaker 1: disparage any company out there. I don't know that clock safety.
Speaker 1: All we want to do, and we're certainly not apologizing
Speaker 1: for this, is to bring out a conversation what I
Speaker 1: think is even bigger than any company, right Jeff, about
Speaker 1: what's happening if you look at the whole collective in
Speaker 1: the entire world, where is this planet and particularly since
Speaker 1: we're talking here with mostly from America and Canada and
Speaker 1: North America precisely what's going to happen to us if
Speaker 1: we just are asleep at the wheel or asleep at
Speaker 1: the switch. Very interesting conversation here, But help us out
Speaker 1: on this. Is there any way without putting you in
Speaker 1: a bad position, how do people actually find out where
Speaker 1: the flock cameras are in their neighborhood? Is this publicly
Speaker 1: identified as it continues to grow? I mean, how do
Speaker 1: people even know where they are.
Speaker 2: Help us on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, there's different, there's different resources and different
Speaker 3: tracking websites that are out there. I don't I don't
Speaker 3: have the direct URLs off the top of my head.
Speaker 3: I can I can pull them up here here in
Speaker 3: a little bit, But I do know that there's different,
Speaker 3: that there's different, there's different sites that are out there
Speaker 3: that that are very easy to find, that that will
Speaker 3: actually let you know where flock cameras are and in
Speaker 3: which cities are contracting with with the flock cameras as well,
Speaker 3: and the same The thing that I always, you know,
Speaker 3: encourage people is to take a look at your local
Speaker 3: city and in local local county and see if if
Speaker 3: your local police department or city has actually you know,
Speaker 3: contracted with them, and then go around and and see
Speaker 3: do you feel safer or do you feel like this
Speaker 3: is kind of like an invasion of privacy? Do you
Speaker 3: do you feel like you're always being watched? And then
Speaker 3: what you should do is you should actually go speak
Speaker 3: to your city council because they're more than likely the
Speaker 3: ones that approved the contract or you know, went along
Speaker 3: with it, and then actually share your concerns with them
Speaker 3: and you know, the reality of it is is that
Speaker 3: it doesn't take that many people to share their concerns
Speaker 3: about these things before they realize like, Okay, this represents
Speaker 3: a larger group of people. Maybe we need to take
Speaker 3: this a little bit more seriously and then maybe your
Speaker 3: concerns can be heard about them.
Speaker 1: Jeff, people are coming into our theater of the mind,
Speaker 1: as we like to say it, because we're not watching
Speaker 1: this on video and people are coming in right now
Speaker 1: four eight nine to two two expressing their concerns. And
Speaker 1: to start off our conversation, we welcome online too. Matt
Speaker 1: in the Bronx. You're on with Jeff Dornick. Thank you
Speaker 1: for coming into our theater of the mind.
Speaker 2: How are you, yes, good morning.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: With regard to government surveillance, you mentioned China and the
Speaker 5: social credit system that's been enabled by five G technology
Speaker 5: and companies like Huawei. But in the United States, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: there's a very sordid history of illegal government surveillance and
Speaker 5: harassment by law enforce agencies dating well well before the
Speaker 5: civil rights era. If you remember, the FBI had coin
Speaker 5: cell pro where it was actually actively following in trapping
Speaker 5: civil rights activists. People on the left in various other
Speaker 5: figures across the political spectrum. And again, ninety percent of
Speaker 5: the people that were being targeted were not criminals. That's
Speaker 5: been very important to remember. These are people at his Yeah,
Speaker 5: these are simply people that had political views though outside
Speaker 5: the mainstream. But again, you know, they were not involved
Speaker 5: in criminal activity. They were targeted specifically because of their
Speaker 5: political police, which is perfectly protected activity under the First Amendment.
Speaker 5: But you know, again, their Fourth Amendment rights were completely
Speaker 5: violated by the FBI and other intelligence and police agencies
Speaker 5: in the country. And there's every reason to believe that
Speaker 5: these things are still going on with regard to political
Speaker 5: targets of government surveillance and it go government harassment campaigns
Speaker 5: by law enforcement agencies. You had that, you had an
Speaker 5: you had an example in the January sixth defendants. Uh
Speaker 5: you know, again a post release after prison. In many
Speaker 5: cases they've you know, they reported that, you know, they've
Speaker 5: been targeted for harassment, being followed by police, had the
Speaker 5: lines tapped. So you know, again you know this this
Speaker 5: is a very much, a very active uh uh.
Speaker 1: Problem that because yeah, I want to jump in with
Speaker 1: our guests here and obviously have him have an opportunity.
Speaker 1: You bring up some very interesting points. So the pod
Speaker 1: thing I get from your conversation, and it's very much appreciated.
Speaker 1: Surveillance ain't something new. It's been going on right or
Speaker 1: wrong for such a long time. But that's obvious. Jeff Darnet,
Speaker 1: your response to what Matt's talking about. He gave us
Speaker 1: some very interesting insight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he he brings up a lot a lot
Speaker 3: of phenomenal points and it's and it's all very real, obviously.
Speaker 3: And I think the problem that we're dealing with today
Speaker 3: with you know, technology like the flot cameras and artificial intelligence,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of other technologies that are being
Speaker 3: implemented specifically for surveillance, is that it's making it so
Speaker 3: much easier, more difficult to trace, but also more difficult
Speaker 3: to hold somebody accountable. And this this is the thing
Speaker 3: that that I that I always bring up, and this
Speaker 3: is always my concern and I've talked to people, you know,
Speaker 3: close to the administration at about some of these concerns.
Speaker 3: And it's really interesting because when you think about the
Speaker 3: Trump administration right now is fast tracking artificial intelligence. They're
Speaker 3: centralizing a lot of the databases across the different agencies.
Speaker 3: And what's interesting is you could make the arguments that
Speaker 3: that this, you know, is for efficiency, and you can
Speaker 3: see the benefit of you know, centralizing it, but it's
Speaker 3: also setting it up for two very serious problems. Is
Speaker 3: that you know, by having one centralized database, you're opening
Speaker 3: yourself up to more information if somebody was able to
Speaker 3: hack it. So that's that's concern number one. But then
Speaker 3: concern number two is how much information, how and how
Speaker 3: much power? How much power that artificial intelligence can have,
Speaker 3: whether it's over surveillance, whether it's over biometric data, whether
Speaker 3: whether it's in regards to personal profiles. And you can
Speaker 3: make the argument that you know, the administration that they're
Speaker 3: not going to use it, they're not going to have
Speaker 3: used it, if you know, depending on which side of
Speaker 3: the aisle you find yourself on. But let's say, but
Speaker 3: let's say the other side takes power, then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, it only takes one bad apple and one
Speaker 3: bad actor or one you know leader that makes the
Speaker 3: decision of the surveillance state. And now we have the
Speaker 3: infrastructure in place to take everything that that the caller
Speaker 3: was talking about in regards to surveillance and then putting
Speaker 3: it one hundredfold more powerful with the power of artificial intelligence,
Speaker 3: because we've built out this infrastructure right now, and you know,
Speaker 3: and the question is is that if AI, you know,
Speaker 3: violates your rights, or any of these technologies violates your rights,
Speaker 3: who do you hold accountable? Because it was a robot,
Speaker 3: it was an AI that actually committed it, not a
Speaker 3: human being. I think that those are the checks and
Speaker 3: balances that our founding fathers put in there, is that
Speaker 3: there is always accountability if somebody violates your rights, But
Speaker 3: if it's a robot, you can't. You're not going to
Speaker 3: throw an AI in prison. So what do you do?
Speaker 1: It's getting very complicated, but I want to thank Matt
Speaker 1: and the Bronx bringing some insightful commentary just what we
Speaker 1: like here and what we call the theater of the
Speaker 1: mind where people talking what I consider common sense obviously
Speaker 1: dialogue and important. Don't you think, Jeff, that critical thinking
Speaker 1: I think should simply be taught more in schools and
Speaker 1: maybe even in the adult schools, because again I'm no
Speaker 1: expert on anything, and certainly not a perfect species as
Speaker 1: a human, but critical thinking is so much that I
Speaker 1: think is in dire need and what would you say
Speaker 1: about the whole concept of the need for critical thinking?
Speaker 3: Tell us, well, I think it's extremely extremely important, and
Speaker 3: I think that the problem that we're dealing with now
Speaker 3: in this new era of artificial intelligence, is that will
Speaker 3: taking away the children children's ability to actually critically think
Speaker 3: because of how information is so readily available. And it's
Speaker 3: really interesting because you know, I'm a parent have a
Speaker 3: four year old kid, and which what we really try
Speaker 3: to do is not give him a screen time, don't
Speaker 3: let him watch television. We don't he doesn't have access
Speaker 3: to an iPad or you know, anything along those lines.
Speaker 3: And a lot of it and a lot of it
Speaker 3: is because so if you sit down and you read
Speaker 3: a book to a kid, right, you read a story
Speaker 3: to them. So there might be pictures on the page
Speaker 3: and you're telling them the story, but they have to
Speaker 3: imagine what those characters are doing. They have to act
Speaker 3: it out in their mind. If you're reading what a
Speaker 3: character is saying, they're having to imagine what does that
Speaker 3: character sound like? They imagine what are the sense what
Speaker 3: are the smells, what are the feelings? Their brain is
Speaker 3: going to critical thinking and analyzing and filling in the
Speaker 3: gaps of the words that you're speaking us to the
Speaker 3: story that is all developing their critical thinking. But if
Speaker 3: you stick a kid in front of a television and
Speaker 3: have them watch a movie, you see them race, just
Speaker 3: veg out and because what the movie is doing is
Speaker 3: taking away that critical thinking and instead it's feeding you
Speaker 3: all those senses and do. All you have to do
Speaker 3: is just sit there and absorb. That's the exact same
Speaker 3: thing that's happening to all of us right now with
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence, is that people no longer have to sit
Speaker 3: there and process and think. They no longer have to
Speaker 3: remember where they are in the city to drive, because
Speaker 3: they've got the maps. They tell you exactly where you're
Speaker 3: supposed to go, and they give you the instructions, so
Speaker 3: your brain is on autopilot. The same thing is now
Speaker 3: happening when it comes to critical thinking. When people do research,
Speaker 3: what do they do? They just ask CHATGPT exactly. CHATCHAPT
Speaker 3: gives them the answer.
Speaker 2: They know a lot of kids, you.
Speaker 1: Think, right, a lot of kids do their turn papers
Speaker 1: or what have you. Teachers are somewhat smart about that,
Speaker 1: but the AI initiative makes it even more difficult. Jeff,
Speaker 1: it's amazing the Jeff Dornick Show. He's our guest for
Speaker 1: the two hours talking that we've only gotten warmed up here, folks.
Speaker 1: So if you're on the line like Greg and Michigan
Speaker 1: Joaquin in Pennsylvania, we will.
Speaker 2: Get to you.
Speaker 1: And for everybody else, there's plenty of seats and what
Speaker 1: we call our theater of the mind discussing a topic.
Speaker 1: The question we throw out there and we don't throw it,
Speaker 1: but we send it out in the powerful signal of
Speaker 1: talk radio seventy seven w ABC. Where do we draw
Speaker 1: the line between public safety and government surveillance? One of
Speaker 1: the many topics that we're talking about here, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the flock cameras flock safety, not to disparage the
Speaker 1: company at all, just to give us education. And it
Speaker 1: is separate very quickly, Jeff, from the regular photo quote,
Speaker 1: radar type surveillance where people get a ticket. This is
Speaker 1: something very different, correct, exactly right.
Speaker 3: Right, It's very different, I think because you're incorporating the
Speaker 3: AI component to it. And you know it's one thing
Speaker 3: to okay, you're driving by, maybe you're going too fast,
Speaker 3: you want a red light and there's a trigger, it
Speaker 3: takes a picture. Then basically that's going to then go
Speaker 3: in the analyzer. They're going to see what the license
Speaker 3: plate is. They look up the license plate, and then
Speaker 3: they send you your ticket. It's a very different that's
Speaker 3: a very different thing than a police officer able to
Speaker 3: basically just type into a computer I'm looking for this
Speaker 3: kind of a car, and then you can immediately track
Speaker 3: it down and see the exact path that it took
Speaker 3: throughout the city. That's a very different form of surveillance.
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Speaker 1: Thirty four minutes after the hour, we return to our
Speaker 1: normal themes of what goes on in the mysteries of
Speaker 1: the universe on our Saturday Sunday Morning program. But now
Speaker 1: we're speaking with Jeff Dornick the Jeff Dornick Show, speaking
Speaker 1: about and trying to get an answer to a question
Speaker 1: that I'm sure many people have out there. Where do
Speaker 1: we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance.
Speaker 1: He's with us to the entire two hours. We continue
Speaker 1: here when the Doctor Sky experience those that have been
Speaker 1: coming into the theater of the mind. Let's say, good
Speaker 1: morning on line one to Greg in Michigan. Greg, you're
Speaker 1: on with Jeff Dornic.
Speaker 8: How you doing good evening, gentlemen, mister positive boom shacka laka.
Speaker 8: I gotta tell you, Doctor Sky, that was a fantastic intro.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I love it. You've got quite a
Speaker 8: few conundrums here. You talk about critical thinking. Critical thinking,
Speaker 8: I believe is predicated upon the amount of knowledge that
Speaker 8: you have. Two common sense is something that most should
Speaker 8: not want because when you solve us a problem, how
Speaker 8: would Einstein solve a problem as opposed to someone with
Speaker 8: one hundred IQ. See, that's a conundrum that I've wrestled
Speaker 8: with with a lot of people. A lot of people
Speaker 8: say you don't have any common sense, and I like
Speaker 8: to turn to them and go, yes, I'm glad that
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, Greg, it might have been interesting with Einstein that
Speaker 1: it might have been the same kind of a maybe
Speaker 1: overuse in the same parallel lines. Critical thinking to him
Speaker 1: might have been thought experiments. And that's a subject that's
Speaker 1: extremely like that. We don't know how people do thought experiments,
Speaker 1: at least I don't do them in my spare time.
Speaker 1: But in relating to what we're talking about, do you
Speaker 1: have a question or comment to our guest, because I
Speaker 1: just definitely I think you have brought up something about
Speaker 1: critical thinking. Anything else would like to say, I'd like
Speaker 1: to get Jeff involved.
Speaker 8: A right, Jeff, is a right God given? Or is
Speaker 8: it socio political construct?
Speaker 3: So so I would agree with the founding fathers that
Speaker 3: that right, that rights are God given. And uh. And
Speaker 3: it's interesting because the whole that's that's really the premise
Speaker 3: of this entire you know, country, this American experiment, is
Speaker 3: this idea that every single person, man, woman and child
Speaker 3: has created in the image of God and have certain
Speaker 3: inalienable rights that are God given, that cannot be taken
Speaker 3: away by the by the government, and that the government
Speaker 3: doesn't give us the rights, but the government. But the government,
Speaker 3: you know, defends the rights and acknowledges the rights. And
Speaker 3: I think that that's that's you know, without that premise,
Speaker 3: then our rights don't actually mean anything because it's all
Speaker 3: a social construct that could easily be taken away by
Speaker 3: by the government. But if but if it doesn't come
Speaker 3: from the government, it comes from God, then they are
Speaker 3: truly in fact, inalienable.
Speaker 1: You got an opportunity, Greg for a final comment.
Speaker 8: Is it the Christian God that you're talking about or
Speaker 8: is it the five thousand other gods that you're talking about?
Speaker 8: Which rights are to us by which God?
Speaker 3: Right? Well, you know, and and that's and that's the thing.
Speaker 3: So the the idea of what the founding fathers believed
Speaker 3: was in the one, the one supreme God, and they
Speaker 3: that they believed, you know, what was coming out of
Speaker 3: out of the Bible. And that's that's where that's where
Speaker 3: the rights flowed out from. That's also where where it
Speaker 3: was it was inspired from. But that but that's also
Speaker 3: you know that that's changed and morphed over over the years.
Speaker 3: When when it comes to the secularization of our society,
Speaker 3: especially when you're dealing with like freedom of religion. I
Speaker 3: would I would say that our rights are rooted in
Speaker 3: a Christian belief system, but that doesn't necessarily mean that
Speaker 3: that our current application today obviously reflects that.
Speaker 1: Thank you Greg and Michigan. Always insightful commentary as we
Speaker 1: spark our minds in the theater of the mind. Patiently
Speaker 1: waiting on line three. Joaquin in Pennsylvania. You're on, But
Speaker 1: Jeff Dornett, how are you doing.
Speaker 9: Good evening, doctor Scott, Good evening, Jeff. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 9: chuckling a little bit at the last caller. And the
Speaker 9: only comment I'm going to make to that what he
Speaker 9: was saying is the only rights that you actually have
Speaker 9: are the ones that you can defend by force. If
Speaker 9: you cannot defend them by force, unfortunately someone else will
Speaker 9: take them away from the history of the world as
Speaker 9: those who conquered and those who are conquered. And I
Speaker 9: actually off topic, I do want to make one comment
Speaker 9: about you know, the moon and space controls the high
Speaker 9: ground controls the battlefield.
Speaker 1: Absolutely right. That's why Space Force. President Donald John Trump,
Speaker 1: of course initiating something quite unusual the space force as
Speaker 1: we go to the higher ground. You're so right, Joaquin,
Speaker 1: and also what you're talking about about. You have to
Speaker 1: defend this particular subject that you're talking about, or if
Speaker 1: you don't know what rights you have, many smarter people
Speaker 1: than me have said, you'll never know what rights you lose.
Speaker 1: That's interesting what Joaquin is saying, Jeff, because later I'd
Speaker 1: like to get into a conversation with you. And this
Speaker 1: is interesting. It's not a civics one oh one class
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, but there is a distinct difference between
Speaker 1: freedom and liberty. And I think if what Joaquin and Jeff,
Speaker 1: if more people understood the difference, we won't go through
Speaker 1: it right now. But Jeff, your response to what Joaquin's
Speaker 1: talking about, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's interesting, you know, even even thinking
Speaker 3: about like what's going on with space force and the
Speaker 3: moon and like all that, it's interesting how now we're
Speaker 3: heading back into obviously back into exploration. It's interesting that
Speaker 3: the Trump administration, you know, has made such a big
Speaker 3: deal out of that, and then you hear guys like
Speaker 3: Elon Musk to tie it back into artificial intelligence, where
Speaker 3: he's actually predicting probably within the next decade or so
Speaker 3: that instead of the A the AI data centers being
Speaker 3: scattered around the country that he's like, the best place
Speaker 3: would be would be to stick it on the back
Speaker 3: side of the moon for you know, cooling purposes for
Speaker 3: you know, all of that, and then just set up
Speaker 3: set up the data centers all the way up there.
Speaker 3: So it's it's interesting, how you know, we're we're now
Speaker 3: looking into you know, a lot more you know, like
Speaker 3: outer space type solutions to a lot of the issues
Speaker 3: that we're facing today.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. Well, can't always insightful. Appreciate you being part
Speaker 1: of our program line too. Let's go to Georgie. I
Speaker 1: believe in New Jersey. You've been patient. Good morning, You're
Speaker 1: on with Jeff Darnick.
Speaker 10: How are you doing, Hi, doctors guy, This is Joe Joji.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I'm reading off the screen here and
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: They no problem. I have a question for Jeff.
Speaker 10: But there was a recent there was a recent audicle
Speaker 10: on flot safety concerning five police officers that were abusing
Speaker 10: the license plate readers and we're not using it the
Speaker 10: way it's supposed to be used. And I wanted to
Speaker 10: find out what's the difference between flock safety and act
Speaker 10: on corporations license plate readers.
Speaker 2: Do you know that interesting?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know specifically. I do
Speaker 3: know talking about the the abuse that we've seen, you know,
Speaker 3: I know that there's been multiple reports of of a
Speaker 3: of a wide variety of abuses like there there there
Speaker 3: was one there was one police officer that was actually
Speaker 3: looking up as an ex girlfriends or ex wife's, you know,
Speaker 3: license plate and seeing where she's going and things along
Speaker 3: those lines. So I know in this this I think
Speaker 3: is the thing that we're that we're really going to
Speaker 3: have to, you know, consider as we introduce more technologies
Speaker 3: like this, are what what are going to be the
Speaker 3: safeguards that are going to be put in play in
Speaker 3: order to ensure that they aren't able to be abused,
Speaker 3: or if they are being abused, that we're able to
Speaker 3: track and make sure that we that we documented and
Speaker 3: know exactly who's doing what, when and where. So there's
Speaker 3: definitely some safeguard that we're definitely going to have to
Speaker 3: start figuring out how to put into place. But I
Speaker 3: think the hard part with all of this is that
Speaker 3: the technology is advancing so quickly that I don't think
Speaker 3: that we're necessarily thinking through a lot of those safeguards
Speaker 3: at the same rate that we're thinking about the development
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 1: And to add some incident to the story that we're
Speaker 1: talking about, I'm just reading this a Kansas police chief
Speaker 1: who used flock safety license plateed readers to track his
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend's vehicle two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty eight times over more than four months, and used
Speaker 1: his police vehicle to follow them. In Bones Springs, Kansas,
Speaker 1: a detective used flock license plate readers to stalk his
Speaker 1: wife without going through a long litany of individuals, again
Speaker 1: not naming them by name. It's amazing how any of
Speaker 1: these technologies can get out of hand. And that is
Speaker 1: the main reason that we have you here, Jeff, talking
Speaker 1: about is the main opening act here. The big question
Speaker 1: is about this abuse that could happen with technology. Where
Speaker 1: do we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance.
Speaker 1: And out here in Arizona, where I'm broadcasting from, there
Speaker 1: is a tremendous and I'm sure you know so much
Speaker 1: more about it, growth industry, not only for the photo cameras,
Speaker 1: for speeding incidents where they mail you something. And also
Speaker 1: these flock cameras that are out there, I mean, in
Speaker 1: quick summation. There's obviously some good use for those cameras,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. But when we come back, we've got a
Speaker 1: few minutes before this next break, I'd like to get
Speaker 1: into a definitive study and then after I read something,
Speaker 1: I don't like to really read to the audience, but
Speaker 1: with your expertise, I think we need to go through
Speaker 1: the whole line here of the difference between freedom and liberty,
Speaker 1: because if people don't understand that, how can you be
Speaker 1: a fighter in this whole purpose. So that's a very
Speaker 1: interesting story, and let's not forget ladies and gentlemen. This
Speaker 1: is not the only subject that Jeff is going to
Speaker 1: bring to us. The whole concept of AI data centers.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's incredible, Jeff. All these data centers out
Speaker 1: there are being built, massive use of water, massive use
Speaker 1: of electricity, and I think Elon does have it right,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, insummation, Building these and putting them out
Speaker 1: and outer space might necessarily be the answer instead of depleting.
Speaker 1: But then again the problem is why do we need
Speaker 1: all these data centers? And with that in mind, we're
Speaker 1: going to take our next break. We see the calls
Speaker 1: coming in line four. We see Alexi and Queens, we
Speaker 1: see Anthony and Long Island on line three, and ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, there's still room in the theater with the
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Speaker 1: two two, And again thanks to our helmsman Bill and
Speaker 1: Jackson for taking those calls and letting you be heard
Speaker 1: on talk radio seventy seven WABC and the Doctor Sky Experience.
Speaker 2: We will be right back.
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Speaker 11: This is Chris Barnes, singer with the Australian Pink Floyd
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Speaker 1: The founding fathers never said safer at any cost, but
Speaker 1: liberty at all costs many people's estimation, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: our special guests Jeff Dornick would agree. Constitutional safeguards and
Speaker 1: the Constitution needs to restraint that is technology. Forty eight
Speaker 1: minutes after the hour, we continue as a move to
Speaker 1: the top and finish in completion of hour one. Let's
Speaker 1: go to line number four. Alexi and queens, you've been patient.
Speaker 1: You're on with Jeff Dornick. How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 12: Yes, goodies and gentlemen, and mister done, could eating for you.
Speaker 12: Apropos to this discussion, people say, oh, I have rights,
Speaker 12: I have protections in law. Yeah, you have to build
Speaker 12: of rights constitution at state laws, so and so on
Speaker 12: in absolute reality, which is just simply inc applied to
Speaker 12: paper because of the fact that, indeed, with the inception
Speaker 12: of AI, those rights are basically deteriorating. And remember one
Speaker 12: thing about AI. Do you think someone is going to
Speaker 12: spend five billion dollars to build an AI center and
Speaker 12: not realize one to realize a profit three times as
Speaker 12: much in future? Sure they want they want to. They
Speaker 12: take any simple basic conversation with AI, be it thru
Speaker 12: ALEXA in your home or something in your car or
Speaker 12: at the computer terminal. All your speech, the rate of
Speaker 12: speed of speech, the use of vocabulary, and all this.
Speaker 12: These are syllable commodities. AI assemblances in various forms and
Speaker 12: it is presented to a buyer. For some reason, this
Speaker 12: is a money making operation which is severing most of
Speaker 12: the commonly perceived right to people. The worst the worst
Speaker 12: of it is It's Supreme Court exists that people have
Speaker 12: the we have a right of privacy, yet we lose
Speaker 12: that right completely and they've asserted this in public places.
Speaker 12: But I ask you, gentlemen, what constitutes a public place?
Speaker 12: Nobody cays clear on that, and you understand where I'm
Speaker 12: going with it, right and.
Speaker 1: People do have We see a lot of First Amendment
Speaker 1: people out there with video cameras, you know, exercising what
Speaker 1: they claim is a public space where they can videotape,
Speaker 1: and a lot of there's so many videos on the web.
Speaker 1: But Jeff, Alexi brings up some interesting things and I
Speaker 1: want to set the stage. Alexei, if you don't mind
Speaker 1: mentioning you come from an unidentified communist country, you don't
Speaker 1: have to tell us. And I appreciate your stories because
Speaker 1: you talk about the need for freedom. You've done just that,
Speaker 1: Jeff response. I mean, Alexi brings up some points that
Speaker 1: we're going to get into in deeper context.
Speaker 3: Right well, you know they're they're all they're all great points.
Speaker 3: And I think that when I would take this step
Speaker 3: further in that I would agree that right now, what's
Speaker 3: what's behind a lot of the development of artificial intelligence
Speaker 3: is is money, and they're selling out, they're selling a
Speaker 3: lot of data, they're they're set, they're getting government contracts
Speaker 3: or doing all these kinds of things. But ultimately, when
Speaker 3: you listen to guys like like Elon Musk and Bill
Speaker 3: Gates and Sam Altman and a lot of the a
Speaker 3: lot of the guys that are behind uh this technology,
Speaker 3: what they're predicting for the future has very little to
Speaker 3: nothing to do with money, because what they're actually predicting
Speaker 3: is that there may not even be money at all,
Speaker 3: because there'll be no more need for that. What they're
Speaker 3: actually pitching and Elon talked about this on his last
Speaker 3: appearance on Joe Rogan podcast, was the idea that that
Speaker 3: the in game of artificial intelligence and you know and
Speaker 3: robots like his Optimist robots and things along those lines,
Speaker 3: the end game is is a communist utopia of sorts
Speaker 3: where we don't have to work, we're all equal AI
Speaker 3: and robots will Basically, you know, the function is doing
Speaker 3: being all the labor force do everything. Human beings do
Speaker 3: not work. We either have a universal basic income of
Speaker 3: sorts or we will or we will you know, basically
Speaker 3: just have access to anything and everything that we need,
Speaker 3: because they claim that there'll be a surplus of resources.
Speaker 3: But the question then becomes who's in charge. It's going
Speaker 3: to be the people behind the AI and the optim
Speaker 3: and the and the robots in general, not even just optionism,
Speaker 3: but just in general, the well.
Speaker 1: I don't want a universal basic income where what, as
Speaker 1: you say eloquently, dividends and payouts from tech companies. They're
Speaker 1: not my boss, right and they're not yours, and we
Speaker 1: don't want that to be. I mean, what would we
Speaker 1: do all day? We just sit there and languish. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll be happy. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.
Speaker 1: I think it was a klaud Schwab comment a long
Speaker 1: time ago, so obviously people need to pay attention. LEXI
Speaker 1: thank you always for insightful commentary on the theater with
Speaker 1: the Mind. But briefly, my own interpretation of this, and
Speaker 1: it's so it's mine, is so limited because it's such
Speaker 1: an expansive term. Liberty, individual rights and limitations of government
Speaker 1: if you lose your liberty, but freedom it's more like
Speaker 1: the self determination and happiness and your own interests. But
Speaker 1: I've just scratched the surface before the hour runs out.
Speaker 1: Give us your definition of both freedom and liberty, because
Speaker 1: if people don't know the difference, you're going to become
Speaker 1: an enslavement tool in this horrible, you know, dystopian world
Speaker 1: that seems to be promulgated every single day.
Speaker 3: God bless us, all right, Jeff, Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's interesting dealing with the difference between freedom and liberty,
Speaker 3: and you know, it can be nuance and and a
Speaker 3: lot of crossover, but specifically like freedom, you know, I
Speaker 3: would I would say that it's it's a more broad, broader,
Speaker 3: you know definition where it's you know, the general idea
Speaker 3: of like you, you are free to do basically whatever
Speaker 3: you want, make whatever whatever you whatever decision you want
Speaker 3: to make without coercion. Liberty is is often that freedom,
Speaker 3: but it's there is the freedom to make your own
Speaker 3: decisions and be individual and be sovereign. But also you
Speaker 3: can't violate the freedoms and the liberties of somebody else,
Speaker 3: So those those limitations and guardrails are put in place
Speaker 3: where there's that mutual respect of each other's liberties as well.
Speaker 1: Very interesting and well said Jeff Dornick. Is our guest,
Speaker 1: the Jeff Dornichoe. Give us the website and I want
Speaker 1: to talk. We only have a few more minutes before
Speaker 1: top of hour. But your app that you have here pickax.
Speaker 1: This is interesting. We haven't spent enough time on what
Speaker 1: it really is. No algorithm and that's an interesting concept,
Speaker 1: but just tell us what it is in summation and
Speaker 1: how do people get into this because it's another place
Speaker 1: to share ideas without the restrictions that many do have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a social media platform very similar like
Speaker 3: what you would see with X and Facebook and all that.
Speaker 3: We've got some pretty cool features that are unique to
Speaker 3: us and all that. But for us, the real goal
Speaker 3: and the real mission behind it is to finally have
Speaker 3: a social media that's actually so so like when you're
Speaker 3: when you're on a lot of these other platforms that
Speaker 3: are algorithm driven, they're becoming very topic based and them based,
Speaker 3: and so it you know, the kind of content that's
Speaker 3: showing up in your news speed has very little to
Speaker 3: do with who you follow, but more to do with
Speaker 3: the types of types of you know, content that you
Speaker 3: would engage with or you're interested in. And you know
Speaker 3: that's why when you're on Facebook, you want to see
Speaker 3: pictures of your grandma or your or your cousin or
Speaker 3: your grandkids or something like that. And half of the
Speaker 3: posts or you know, from people that you don't even follow.
Speaker 3: So what we're trying to do is actually, how do
Speaker 3: we actually connect people to people where we don't get
Speaker 3: in between you and somebody who follows you, or you
Speaker 3: and somebody that you follow. We respect that connection. We
Speaker 3: actually want to foster that human to human connection. So
Speaker 3: we we we've got to write a ways that we
Speaker 3: weed out bots, which is a major problem on social
Speaker 3: media platforms, and we've got a verification system to where
Speaker 3: you know that you're actually talking to a real human
Speaker 3: being over there. So it's a very different experience, and
Speaker 3: it ends up being a lot or positive because you're
Speaker 3: not dealing with all the anonymous bots and farms they
Speaker 3: get in there and try to stir us all up,
Speaker 3: and then the algorithms that pit us against each other.
Speaker 3: You're actually talking to other human beings, and it's actually
Speaker 3: a quite positive experience when you actually are talking to
Speaker 3: another human How do people go there?
Speaker 1: I mean, just tell us so people I'm sure by
Speaker 1: the droves may want to go there and actually say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm fed up with some of these other social media platforms.
Speaker 1: They're right to change. How do they get to you?
Speaker 1: What's the way?
Speaker 3: Definitely the best place, obviously is to download the app.
Speaker 3: You can either do that in the Google Play Store
Speaker 3: or in the iOS app store. For Apple it's Pickax
Speaker 3: p I C K A X, so there's no E.
Speaker 3: Or you guys can go over to Pickax dot com.
Speaker 3: We've got the web version that's very mobile friendly over
Speaker 3: there as well. But you can either do on the
Speaker 3: website or you can download the app in the app stores.
Speaker 2: It's very good.
Speaker 1: And before the hour is extinguished, there are Hour number two.
Speaker 1: I want to say, people like on line three, like
Speaker 1: Anthony and Long Island, Mike on line one in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: and Robert Line two in Philadelphia, please stay with us
Speaker 1: our number two. We try our very best to get
Speaker 1: as many people on to share their ideas. But what
Speaker 1: I usually do, Jeff at this particular part, since the
Speaker 1: show was founded on what the great mysteries of the
Speaker 1: universe are, I wanted to bring into a perspective because
Speaker 1: we have many fans that tell us they like that
Speaker 1: part of the show, and that's this great events that
Speaker 1: are happening in our heavens right now. This is the
Speaker 1: week of one of the best meteor showers of the
Speaker 1: entire year, folks. And I say this with a little
Speaker 1: bit of a grain of salt, because every time I
Speaker 1: do this for so many years, people get angry and
Speaker 1: they send me emails saying, oh, you told us they'll
Speaker 1: be this big meteor thing. The Perseags are one of
Speaker 1: the best. They peak on the night of the twelfth
Speaker 1: into the thirteenth and into the morning from the night
Speaker 1: of the thirteenth into the fourteenth. Look in the northeastern
Speaker 1: part of the sky in a dark location. And we're
Speaker 1: lucky because what we have, Jeff, is a dark location
Speaker 1: because the moon is officially at its new phase. But
Speaker 1: lucky people on the other side of the Earth, and
Speaker 1: particularly in areas like southern Greenland a little too cold
Speaker 1: for me, but the heat of Phoenix is obstrepperers. Areas
Speaker 1: of Ice will get to see a total solar eclipse,
Speaker 1: and areas of Spain actually get to see about two
Speaker 1: minutes and ten seconds of one of nature's most amazing sights.
Speaker 1: So why am saying that the moon is officially new
Speaker 1: At one thirty seven PM, Eastern day lifetime for the
Speaker 1: East coast, of course, where the moon is not visible
Speaker 1: as a requirement for seeing a total solar eclipse. So
Speaker 1: we'll not have another one of these until August two
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty seven, and that eclipse, by many is
Speaker 1: one of the longest total solar eclipses in maybe a
Speaker 1: few hundred years. And people in Egypt, in the area
Speaker 1: of luxor the Valley of the Gods, the great Egyptian cultures,
Speaker 1: pyramids and so many mysteries will see what Jeff over
Speaker 1: six and a half minutes of totality, which may seem small,
Speaker 1: but it's one of the great gifts of the nature
Speaker 1: of the universe, seeing the day turn into darkness. It's
Speaker 1: actually started wars, it's actually stopped wars.
Speaker 2: But on a positive note.
Speaker 1: This week's a good week to see meteors in the
Speaker 1: sky and also for those lucky enough to travel to
Speaker 1: eclipses that I think is a lot. But Jeff, so
Speaker 1: we get back on track. What I'd like to continue
Speaker 1: with you on is flock cameras, your discussion from your
Speaker 1: website and from your app talking more about AI. This
Speaker 1: is something interesting and you can bring some revelations to
Speaker 1: the table more with our special guest Jeff Dornick of
Speaker 1: The Just Dornik Show. Here on the Doctor Sky Experience.
Speaker 2: We call it a theater of the mind. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back.
Speaker 3: Training a large language model specifically geared towards you, or
Speaker 3: an AI specifically towards you. But the language and the
Speaker 3: terms of service, you know, made it to where you know,
Speaker 3: they could flip that very very quickly and then just
Speaker 3: begin training artificial intelligence in general. You know. Another example
Speaker 3: of this would be Amazon is partnering with Twitch right
Speaker 3: now to be able to analyze in real time live
Speaker 3: stream you know content, video content, and then it would
Speaker 3: be training Amazon's you know, artificial intelligence to be able
Speaker 3: to simulate you know, live streaming. They say, they say,
Speaker 3: to help to enhance it, but really the end result
Speaker 3: of it really could be that you could legitimately have
Speaker 3: an AI generated quote unquote human that's live streaming that
Speaker 3: isn't actually humanist, just a facade of an AI robot. So,
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of craziness that's going on
Speaker 3: out there in regards to the data collection, and we
Speaker 3: haven't even touched the surface of all the different ways
Speaker 3: that they can monetize that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mike and Pennsylvania b bringing up some good ROI,
Speaker 1: how do you pay for this, who's going to get
Speaker 1: the money from it? And what are they doing if
Speaker 1: you're just joining us on the Doctor Sky Experience. Jeff
Speaker 1: Dornick The Jeff Dornick Show. He is, of course, the
Speaker 1: host of that show and founder of the n CEO
Speaker 1: of Pickaxe, the groundbreaking social media platform built on two
Speaker 1: uncompromising principles excuse me, freedom of speech and freedom of reach.
Speaker 1: Now we go on with the callers and the theater
Speaker 1: of mine. Robert, it's interesting to have you line number two.
Speaker 1: Robert and Philadelphia. You're on with Jeff.
Speaker 13: All right, Hi, Doctor Sky as always, great show and
Speaker 13: I really appreciate your guest mister Dornick. Real quick. You
Speaker 13: had mentioned a difference between freedom and liberty, and I
Speaker 13: think freedom is more a sense of independence. For instance,
Speaker 13: we got our freedom from Great Britain. A liberty is
Speaker 13: your rights within that freedom framework. So the difference is
Speaker 13: I'm sorry, freedom is macro, liberty is micro. But the
Speaker 13: thrust of my call was a difference between two other words,
Speaker 13: one word being surveillance and the other word being controlled.
Speaker 13: Now I'm used to the fact that I live in
Speaker 13: an over surveilled society. Despite my libertarian leanings, I'm kind
Speaker 13: of okay with it because I think that it's a
Speaker 13: good prevention for crime to have general surveillance in public
Speaker 13: areas and things like that. They were actually able to
Speaker 13: video show man Joni going from his house to the
Speaker 13: Mercy that day through shatellite and cracker technology that we
Speaker 13: already have. I googled my address from Google Earth and
Speaker 13: it showed me a picture of me getting out of
Speaker 13: my car. And that's bringing out my point is we're
Speaker 13: already surveilled enough, and what they're doing now with these
Speaker 13: flock cameras sounds like control to me. The people who
Speaker 13: run Flock Safety, it's privately owned, private investors. They're not
Speaker 13: subject to Floyer requests. But we're going to be subject
Speaker 13: to the possible infringement of our rights because of this.
Speaker 13: So I'm asking what could be done? Is this, Like,
Speaker 13: I mean, if you say that we just go to
Speaker 13: our local board, that doesn't mean a lot to me
Speaker 13: because they're just going to do whatever the people behind
Speaker 13: them tell them to do. How could we stop this
Speaker 13: as far as legislation on a federal level or something
Speaker 13: like that, because until AI contains clear instructions on human
Speaker 13: freedoms and rights, I'm not trusting it. So, mister Dornick,
Speaker 13: what could we do in order to either stop or
Speaker 13: put unassailable guardrails on it? Because it's kind of reverting
Speaker 13: to me.
Speaker 1: We have some good points, but before Jeff answers, I
Speaker 1: want to give one simple concept out there, and both
Speaker 1: of you can expound on it. Jeff, first, the Constitution
Speaker 1: simply needs to restrain tech. But that's a broad based
Speaker 1: statement and without the oop or the energy behind it.
Speaker 1: Jeff Darnick, that's interesting what Robert's talking about. I find fascinating.
Speaker 2: Tell us more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, no, it is, And it's one of those
Speaker 3: things that I've been exploring a lot. It's like, what's
Speaker 3: the what's the solution to this? Because on one hand,
Speaker 3: you know, we live in a free society, or we
Speaker 3: want we want business to innovate, and we want technology
Speaker 3: to innovate, but we also want to make sure that
Speaker 3: our constitutional rights are being preserved. I think that I
Speaker 3: think that it's interesting because if you're looking at things
Speaker 3: from the federal level, I don't see the incentive for
Speaker 3: our representatives and our senators to actually pass legislation to
Speaker 3: actually restrict anything, even though they should, but they're all
Speaker 3: kind of beholden with this big surveillance, big tech, big
Speaker 3: big military operation going on right now. So when you
Speaker 3: look at it from that perspective, I think that we
Speaker 3: are far more likely to actually see results on a
Speaker 3: local level than we would ever get results on a
Speaker 3: federal level. I think. I think also where we have
Speaker 3: to look at where the contracts being signed right now
Speaker 3: for the flot cameras, it's being signed primarily on the
Speaker 3: local city level. The your your city council. You have
Speaker 3: a lot more direct access to your city council than
Speaker 3: you than you do the House representatives or the Senate.
Speaker 3: So what I so, what I would say is that
Speaker 3: you can push back against this. You can make your
Speaker 3: voice heard. You can send letters, you can make phone calls.
Speaker 3: You can organize with a lot of other people to
Speaker 3: do the same thing, to show up to city, city
Speaker 3: council meetings, county board of supervisors or meetings. You know,
Speaker 3: there's already multiple cities where where the residents have have
Speaker 3: done that and they've they've been able to get the
Speaker 3: city council to agree to take down to to sever
Speaker 3: that contract with the flot cameras, and you know, the
Speaker 3: same thing happened in a wide variety of other things,
Speaker 3: including what was going on in in you know, in
Speaker 3: the midst of COVID. I live. I live in Orange County, California.
Speaker 3: Where where the Orange County Board of Supervisors, which were
Speaker 3: it's a very traditionally red part of California, they were
Speaker 3: the first, They were the first county to actually suggest
Speaker 3: doing a vaccine passport, uh, you know, in our in
Speaker 3: our county. And literally the people of Orange County showed
Speaker 3: up and where it was a line out the door
Speaker 3: in order to speak, and it shut the entire thing down.
Speaker 3: So we do have a voice, but I think we
Speaker 3: have a much stronger voice on a local level than
Speaker 3: we do on a national level.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting, Robert. One thing I want to mention
Speaker 1: here in the conversation, maybe to give some hope to
Speaker 1: this on the local level. Don't give up, folks, municipal
Speaker 1: surveillance ordinances that are voted in by and I'm gonnausing
Speaker 1: to say it twice, qualified voters, quite qualified voters. Robert,
Speaker 1: you get the last word on this. Thanks for being
Speaker 1: part of the show.
Speaker 14: Continue please no problem, man, It's really fascinating and I
Speaker 14: have some things to read about, but all I want
Speaker 14: to say, it's like people who went along with the
Speaker 14: Weimer Republic socialists registration of their guns because they thought
Speaker 14: they were doing the right thing, later had them confiscated
Speaker 14: when Nazis took over.
Speaker 13: And I know that we have at least half of
Speaker 13: the political machine in this country that would love to
Speaker 13: have this kind of power over us, and if we fall,
Speaker 13: the people at the World Economics Form would love to
Speaker 13: have this, and I suspect they're behind it, and that's
Speaker 13: part of the reason why I don't trust you. But
Speaker 13: I'd love taking in around with you. Thank you very much,
Speaker 13: you guys, you have a great weekend.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, thank.
Speaker 1: You Robert, always insightful bringing good points to the theater
Speaker 1: of the mind. Here, let's continue as we go to
Speaker 1: the bottom of the hour. In about seven or eight minutes,
Speaker 1: Line number four. Johnny in New Jersey, you've been patient.
Speaker 1: You're on with Jeff Dornig. All you doing this morning?
Speaker 1: Johnny's gone. We go to line number four. Nick, Good
Speaker 1: morning to you, thanks for your patience.
Speaker 2: How are you doing.
Speaker 15: It's good morning, doctor Scott and Jeff, I love your show,
Speaker 15: Doctor Scott, got a listen every week.
Speaker 2: My pleasure.
Speaker 15: Now, Well, gentlemen, I live in data centerland and it's
Speaker 15: not part of the New Disney theme park. It's Northern Virginia.
Speaker 15: We have we have six over six hentred data centers
Speaker 15: here and growing. We store seventy percent of the world's
Speaker 15: data here in Northern Virginia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's your electric bill every month?
Speaker 15: Actually, well it is going up because of it. A
Speaker 15: lot a lot of these data centers. They're putting in
Speaker 15: their own nuclear power plants. Oh yeah, And uh so
Speaker 15: they're they're trying to create their own energy because it's
Speaker 15: going to take so much. Now, there was a question
Speaker 15: about who's making money on this. There's a lot of
Speaker 15: money to be made because they're buying up two million
Speaker 15: dollar homes tearing them down to build these data centers.
Speaker 15: And uh and it's just incredible what's going on here.
Speaker 15: And I want to say, I have a question about it.
Speaker 15: Why does Google and the other search engines they want
Speaker 15: every little minutia about me, my emails, my text messages,
Speaker 15: my wakalls and that's you know. And I've asked it
Speaker 15: people about this and and I also asked them what
Speaker 15: happens when we die?
Speaker 13: Where does this data go?
Speaker 15: And I was told that it goes to the way
Speaker 15: back machine. Now I started laughing because I remember.
Speaker 2: That was a call.
Speaker 13: Yeah, and it's actual term.
Speaker 15: It's a technical term, and it's it's getting all you know,
Speaker 15: emails from way way back. And actually one guy came
Speaker 15: one day because I'm mean, I'm exposed to a I
Speaker 15: T people, and he told me to kill Clinton's emails
Speaker 15: could be easily found by the way.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not to cut you off, Nick, I have something I
Speaker 1: think is interesting. Maybe they could pull that information of
Speaker 1: all the people that are not alive on the voter
Speaker 1: rolls so we don't have dead people voting and count
Speaker 1: it as a ballot in the whole e linction system.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a benefit to some of it. But that's
Speaker 1: a tiny, tiny little one, don't you think, Nick?
Speaker 15: There you go, yeah, amen, And but you know, I
Speaker 15: think where they're going with this really and I'm seeing
Speaker 15: it here. I don't know if it's anywhere else in
Speaker 15: the country, but a lot of supermarkets now here are
Speaker 15: doing the shopping for you. You better online and they've
Speaker 15: shopped for you, and then you pick it out, they
Speaker 15: bring it, and they're going to shut the supermarkets down
Speaker 15: so you can't get in. You're going to order everything
Speaker 15: off your phone right now. I was I was my
Speaker 15: insurance company. I'm on Medicare. They're trying to cut costs
Speaker 15: and they're doing video. Uh, you know, taking your blood
Speaker 15: pressure and everything. It's going to be where you're gonna be.
Speaker 15: Uh had your.
Speaker 14: Yearly?
Speaker 15: Uh one of my charts? Did your you know, any visit?
Speaker 15: Did you go to a doctor? Is going to be
Speaker 15: on a on a on a camera, and.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 1: I hate to cut you short, but I gotta say no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't be sorry, very impacting to the whole audience. If
Speaker 1: you want to talk about how words have meaning. Apparently
Speaker 1: this is verifiable, and Jeff can tell us more. I'm
Speaker 1: sure social Security that name is now called by the
Speaker 1: government federal benefit payment. Where do you think the money
Speaker 1: came from? We worked for it, so there's a whole
Speaker 1: different iteration. Not to cut you short, nig, but we
Speaker 1: only got a few minutes for Jeff's response before the heartbreak.
Speaker 1: But thank you for the kind comments about the program.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're in our theater of the mind. Always
Speaker 1: great to listen to people that have some interesting common
Speaker 1: sense kind of you know, conversation points.
Speaker 2: Jeff, go ahead, please.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Well, you know, it's it's it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: How again with with with technology, it's like we're fast
Speaker 3: tracking everything and you know, like you were saying in
Speaker 3: regards to like the medical industry and how uh and
Speaker 3: how medicare is is is now you know, pushing a
Speaker 3: lot of this you know technology. One of one of
Speaker 3: the crazy things too is with with a lot of
Speaker 3: our medical data that's all been very centralized into databases
Speaker 3: and uh and access to a lot of that kind
Speaker 3: of information as well. And they they sell it on
Speaker 3: the idea of convenience for doctors to be able to
Speaker 3: you know, access information with this. You you grant access
Speaker 3: to this doctor, they can access it and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But but also then the question then
Speaker 3: becomes like, you know, are they able to use this
Speaker 3: for training artificial intelligence or large language models? Because if
Speaker 3: you if you listen to guys like you know, like
Speaker 3: Elon Musk that are developing a lot of this you
Speaker 3: know AI technology and large language models, like they're talking
Speaker 3: about a future where you know, forget the telehealth where
Speaker 3: you're doing where you're just getting online and that you're
Speaker 3: talking to a doctor, but like you're actually gonna it's
Speaker 3: all gonna be run by AI. Like surgery they're predicting
Speaker 3: is going to be an AI robot. You know, like
Speaker 3: everything is going to be run by technology. But the
Speaker 3: way that they get there is with our data. So
Speaker 3: a lot of times what ends up happening is we
Speaker 3: are training the very robots and artificial intelligence that is
Speaker 3: going to ultimately be replacing us in the workforce.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. As somebody said, way up the food chain,
Speaker 1: as we talk about people like Klaus Schwab, one of
Speaker 1: these futurists, and all in the whole thing of the
Speaker 1: global world, many people have said it like this, you
Speaker 1: will own nothing and you will be happy. God help
Speaker 1: us if that ever happens. Jeff, as we come up
Speaker 1: to the break, continuing with your phone calls, ladies and
Speaker 1: gentlemen all around the nation, around the world, and we'll
Speaker 1: continue after this particular break, the heartbreak. At the bottom
Speaker 1: of the hour, we have online five David and Staten,
Speaker 1: Island Line one, Bob and Riverhead two. We got Lamar
Speaker 1: in Georgia and you why not join us at one
Speaker 1: eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two as
Speaker 1: we talk about the great mysteries and in this case,
Speaker 1: the science and mystery of surveillance in our world today
Speaker 1: and what you might be able to do about it.
Speaker 1: Where do we draw the line between public safety and
Speaker 1: government surveillance.
Speaker 2: We'll be back.
Speaker 6: The Doctor Sky Experience is on the air, seventy seven WABC.
Speaker 3: Now here's Doctor Sky.
Speaker 16: Cross the boundary into the unknown, where gravity bends, the
Speaker 16: light and time itself stands still.
Speaker 7: This is the edge of existence where everything ends and
Speaker 7: eternity begins again. Past event horizon, there is no turning back.
Speaker 1: We're moving through time and space with you, the listener
Speaker 1: on there's a giant radio station, as we call the
Speaker 1: Powerhouse Blowtorch Talk Radio, seventy seven WABC. Our special guest
Speaker 1: Jeff Dornick of The Jeff Dornick Show. He's also the
Speaker 1: CEO and founder of Pickaxe, the groundbreaking social media platform
Speaker 1: built on two uncompromising principles, freedom of speech and freedom
Speaker 1: of rege. Thanks for being with us, Jeff. We continue
Speaker 1: with the callers. They've been patient. Let's go to line
Speaker 1: five and David, good morning. You're in Staten Island.
Speaker 17: How are you this morning, Doctor Sky and Company? I
Speaker 17: like to make one say, even if I I may
Speaker 17: have been starting inventing since I was out of divers
Speaker 17: It's a long story, and I have very unusual genealogy.
Speaker 17: I just found out if my mother died recently. I
Speaker 17: came record a phrase many years ago of a flooding mind.
Speaker 17: In other words, if you're gifted, you could wander your
Speaker 17: thoughts like you're almost blinding, where you're picking up the
Speaker 17: information out of nowhere. Albert Einstein used the phrase thought experiments.
Speaker 17: I think the difference is that Albert Einstein could focus
Speaker 17: on one subject at a time. A floating mind jumps
Speaker 17: around as always looking for something. Many years ago and
Speaker 17: I lost a lot when she died, notes and drawings
Speaker 17: less at the house where I was living with my
Speaker 17: mother's for sixty years. She pushed me to make a
Speaker 17: promise to stay whether answer my two sisters got married,
Speaker 17: because she was afraid to be alone. What came out
Speaker 17: it was I went through the notes and drawings as
Speaker 17: for a thought in my mind said don't do it.
Speaker 17: Build the craft. A while back, you hung up on me.
Speaker 17: I'm not saying anything rude that you would be about
Speaker 17: a flying source of potential.
Speaker 18: My mother had a round dish looks like a flying sauce.
Speaker 18: If you have imagination two handles, you could put Jadeo's in.
Speaker 18: It would spin around up and I'd fall down the crafer.
Speaker 18: Somebody out sat An Island, I think it is has
Speaker 18: my stuff.
Speaker 17: I had a hundred possible notes and drawings in those notes.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think we lost David there for a moment,
Speaker 1: But let me say this. The subject that we'd like
Speaker 1: to talk about with our special guest is a little different.
Speaker 1: So David, if you're still listening, give us a call
Speaker 1: on our next show, because we're going to go back
Speaker 1: to the realms of space in the whole conversation of youupology.
Speaker 1: I'm sure your story is amazing, but would like to
Speaker 1: stay on measure flying number one. We go to Bob
Speaker 1: in Riverhead. Your patient is appreciated.
Speaker 19: Well, gentleman. Well, the first statement I would have is
Speaker 19: these people that are government employees that are claiming the
Speaker 19: Fifth Amendment. You know, they're on taxpayer salary, and while
Speaker 19: they're working for us, they should be answerable to the
Speaker 19: people I pay their salary. So I don't know why
Speaker 19: they get away with at amendment, but I called because
Speaker 19: on AI research it's been shown that they're not delivered,
Speaker 19: that there's an understanding of how AI intelligence actually works,
Speaker 19: what's in the AI mind, so to speak. And since
Speaker 19: AI can't be directly endowed with an intrinsic desire to
Speaker 19: help humans, it seems probable that what will emerge as
Speaker 19: a set of parameters that align with you know, the
Speaker 19: AI accomplishing its goals rather than human flourishing. And I'm
Speaker 19: just wondering, you know, if there's common to that, because
Speaker 19: if you look at species, you know, mankind may not
Speaker 19: have it in for a certain particular species, but yet
Speaker 19: it will destroy its habitat because it wants to use
Speaker 19: the land. So that's a kind of simply to like
Speaker 19: AI and humanity. It may not have it in for
Speaker 19: us directly, but it looks like is efficient on accomplishing
Speaker 19: its goals.
Speaker 2: No, I'm hearing you.
Speaker 1: It very it's very insightful what you're bringing up here, Jeff.
Speaker 1: Let's get you in the conversation on this, because you
Speaker 1: are our guru right now on this whole AI conundrum. Good,
Speaker 1: bad or indifferent?
Speaker 2: What site? This is interesting?
Speaker 3: With Bob brought up, No, it really isn't it. And
Speaker 3: it's interesting because there's there's been many instances where where
Speaker 3: the AI goes into self preservation mode. And so there's
Speaker 3: been instances where the the AI has been instructed to
Speaker 3: delete its history or to or where there's been an
Speaker 3: attempt to like completely shut it down, and it'll figure
Speaker 3: out how to move to a different server or something
Speaker 3: along those lines. And so there's there's definitely a self
Speaker 3: preservation thing in there, and I don't necessarily know how
Speaker 3: to how to describe it because again you're talking about
Speaker 3: a computer program, but also there there is some kind
Speaker 3: of element of self preservation. So you know, I think
Speaker 3: when we're looking at this into the future, I think
Speaker 3: we have we have to take that into consideration. I
Speaker 3: think that the other the other component where I think
Speaker 3: we we the AI really go has the potential to
Speaker 3: go rogue, is once it's merged with quantum computing. And
Speaker 3: I think that that's why, you know, President Trump recent
Speaker 3: recently signed an executive order dealing with dealing with quantum
Speaker 3: computing and actually from a security standpoint of, you know,
Speaker 3: we have to develop a you know, anti quantum uh
Speaker 3: you know, protocols and things along those lines. But the
Speaker 3: real race for artificial intelligence is in relation to quantum computing,
Speaker 3: because it will take the computation power you have so
Speaker 3: much more powerful, and realistically, whoever reaches it first, whether
Speaker 3: it's China or the United States, really wins the race indefinitely,
Speaker 3: because I don't know how you catch up to somebody
Speaker 3: else who gets a head start on that much of
Speaker 3: a drastic increase in computation power. So when quantum computing
Speaker 3: combines with artificial intelligence, that's truly when things become less
Speaker 3: controlled by us in human programmers, and more where it
Speaker 3: becomes self learning instantaneously faster than we can even keep up.
Speaker 3: That's when you start talking about terminator scenarios.
Speaker 1: No, you brought up a good point, and we should
Speaker 1: do a show on this. I've got a couple of
Speaker 1: go to people that I'd like to and no disrespect
Speaker 1: to you, sir. Now we're going to talk about the
Speaker 1: physics of quantum computing because it uses something called superposition.
Speaker 1: And if you're wondering what the heck that is, and
Speaker 1: you're going, wow, this is early and now we get
Speaker 1: a physics lesson the truth of the matter is it's
Speaker 1: as if a particle could be in two places at
Speaker 1: one time. And that again when it relates to quantum physics,
Speaker 1: when we're using zeros and ones. As people know who
Speaker 1: they're experts in computers, we would now use something in
Speaker 1: the quantum realm that has what as you've mentioned, Jeff
Speaker 1: finentially being able to do computations. Even with our fastest
Speaker 1: computers that we have now they would be considered what
Speaker 1: an obsolete source. So the future lies in all these
Speaker 1: very amazing technologies. But in your frame of reference, where
Speaker 1: are the controls on stuff like this? This is important.
Speaker 1: Let's continue on and thank you very much. Bob and
Speaker 1: Riverhead great points line number four, Robert in the Hudson Valley,
Speaker 1: You've been patient. You're on with Jeff Dornick.
Speaker 2: How you doing.
Speaker 3: Thanks very much.
Speaker 20: I'm an avid eclipse chaser and I just wanted to
Speaker 20: be a little bit of a resource. Earlier, the idea
Speaker 20: of the Wayback Machine was mentioned. Yes, yes, yes, that's
Speaker 20: for those that are not familiar. That's a not for
Speaker 20: profit in San Francisco that periodically scans websites on the
Speaker 20: Internet and take screenshots.
Speaker 3: Not continuous.
Speaker 20: That would be an impossible task. But for people that
Speaker 20: are interested, you can sometimes go back maybe fifteen twenty
Speaker 20: years and look what was happening. It's basically a sampling.
Speaker 20: It's not a complete record, but for those that are
Speaker 20: interested and it's it's pretty positive. And I enjoy the
Speaker 20: rest of your program and just wanted to give you
Speaker 20: that resource.
Speaker 2: Hit No, thank you.
Speaker 1: Just tell us again how people can get that, because
Speaker 1: I don't think it came well.
Speaker 20: It's wayback Machine for profits in San Francisco, and it's
Speaker 20: you can use it for historical research and frankly i've
Speaker 20: I've used it for litigation to catch people and what
Speaker 20: they said years ago which did rather not repeat.
Speaker 3: Thanks very much.
Speaker 9: I really enjoy yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for the kindness. But more important, our
Speaker 1: special guests, Jeff, you want to comment on this, because see,
Speaker 1: we learned so much by the people in the chairs
Speaker 1: coming up to the microphone. As I like to call
Speaker 1: it a theater of the mind.
Speaker 2: What say you?
Speaker 1: That was interesting what we're hearing from Robert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on my end, it was kind of breaking up
Speaker 3: a little bit, and so I didn't catch the full
Speaker 3: context to really be able to respond on that one.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately totally understood, but it is powerful stuff. Line number three.
Speaker 1: We will compete in New Jersey. You've been patient. How
Speaker 1: are you doing this morning? Thanks for being part of
Speaker 1: our show.
Speaker 12: Yeah, so calling to Greg Jarard bar Texas and Louisiana
Speaker 12: of a parent Katy anthem, that's why you cragged the fifth.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's not an end to the story of
Speaker 1: doctor Fauci then, right, I mean something might happen, or
Speaker 1: could happen, or in some people's minds, should happen from
Speaker 1: taking the fifth one hundred and eleven times. That's powerful stuff.
Speaker 1: Jeff a comment if you want. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: little out of our realm per se. But maybe not
Speaker 1: because how can you get away with taking the fifth
Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven times? Or is that you're right
Speaker 1: under the Constitution as it simply states, I gather in
Speaker 1: the fifth Amendment?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you know, I think that there's a couple
Speaker 3: different angles that I think, you know, guys like rand
Speaker 3: Paul and I think Senator Johnson some of these guys
Speaker 3: are actually proposing, which is like, you know number one, uh,
Speaker 3: he's he's he was already you know, pardoned by by Biden.
Speaker 3: So so it's like and can you actually plead the
Speaker 3: Fifth if you're if you are pardoned for for the
Speaker 3: you know, alleged crimes on the on the other on
Speaker 3: the other side is that you were you know, you're
Speaker 3: here to testify about your work as a government official.
Speaker 3: And the I think that there's there's a legitimate question
Speaker 3: as to whether you know, there there should be Fifth Amendment, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, protections for somebody who has to answer for
Speaker 3: their behavior as a public public official. So I think
Speaker 3: there's two different angles that they can explore on this.
Speaker 3: But but even even from like a technological standpoint, it's
Speaker 3: it's interesting looking at like what what they were doing
Speaker 3: with like gain of function research, specifically with what you
Speaker 3: know Fauci was really focusing on, because there's there's there's
Speaker 3: a lot of different components, especially in gain of function
Speaker 3: where they are dealing with technology and they are dealing
Speaker 3: with AI and the biotech world and and all that
Speaker 3: kind off to where there is this kind of merging
Speaker 3: together between you know, human biology and technology and how
Speaker 3: that can be incorporated into bioweapons. So they're even talking
Speaker 3: about AI you know, ties back to Anthony Fauci to
Speaker 3: a certain degree as well.
Speaker 1: Amazing stuff. Yeah, the great callers that we get here.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where we always say this, and we're
Speaker 1: not really restrictive. We just like to have the conversation
Speaker 1: just if we can, just to ask kindly stay on
Speaker 1: measure with the subject and when we go back to
Speaker 1: our realm for the obvious side of the space and
Speaker 1: the wonders of the universe. Obviously we can't tell people
Speaker 1: what to do, but we do love all the callers
Speaker 1: that come into this particular show. Very interesting. So give
Speaker 1: it out your website again so people can learn from
Speaker 1: the Pickaxe because this is fascinating and I'm sure many
Speaker 1: many people are going they are tired of the old
Speaker 1: routines where the surveillance and the cancelations and the censorship
Speaker 1: are there. How do people get in touch with you?
Speaker 2: Again? This is an interesting development.
Speaker 3: Not everybody builds one like this, right right exactly? Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: so you can need to go to the website, which
Speaker 3: is picked dot com. It's p i c k a
Speaker 3: X dot com. You can also download the app as
Speaker 3: well in either the Google Play Store or in the
Speaker 3: iOS the Apple App Store as well. Just look up
Speaker 3: Pickax p I c k a X and you can
Speaker 3: download the app there, that's honestly the best place to
Speaker 3: you know, follow me. I'm constantly writing articles over there
Speaker 3: about a lot of this kind of stuff when it
Speaker 3: comes to artificial intelligence, and I you know, I do
Speaker 3: shows on a lot of this kind of stuff as well,
Speaker 3: So you know, that's kind of become my hub obviously,
Speaker 3: since it's my own social media platforms, that's kind of
Speaker 3: where my primary time is spent on social media.
Speaker 1: Well, again, the question is, and I look at it
Speaker 1: this way, that many people have even answered it. They have,
Speaker 1: and we appreciate it. You don't have to where do
Speaker 1: we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance?
Speaker 1: Who are we? We're the doctor s Guy Experience. Who's
Speaker 1: our guest at Jeff Dornick, as we mentioned many times here,
Speaker 1: the founder and CEO of Pickax, groundbreaking social media platform
Speaker 1: built on two uncompromising principles. We're talking the freedom of
Speaker 1: speech and the freedom of reach. And to understand that's
Speaker 1: your homework assignment if you choose to accept it, to
Speaker 1: study more about the Constitution and understand the specific differences
Speaker 1: that you could explain it to a seven year old.
Speaker 1: And I mean that seriously, the differences between freedom and
Speaker 1: liberty much more with Jeff Dornick and your calls line
Speaker 1: number five. Lenny in Westchester will get to you. Stay
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Speaker 3: Now here's doctor Scott.
Speaker 1: Recently, Hugh Downs was asked why he enjoys listening to
Speaker 1: the Doctor Sky Show.
Speaker 21: I say s and is simply that with the amount
Speaker 21: of time he has, he has two things going. One
Speaker 21: is the knowledge to know science, and the second thing
Speaker 21: is the ability to get it across to people who
Speaker 21: might not quite understand it. And you get it across correctly.
Speaker 21: That's quite admirable.
Speaker 1: Forty eight minutes after the hour, we continue here all
Speaker 1: the Doctor's Guy Experience, our special guest. As you've learned,
Speaker 1: or if you're just joining us, Jeff Dornick, let's go
Speaker 1: to line five, Lenny in Westchester. You've been patient. Good
Speaker 1: morning to you. Thanks for your patience.
Speaker 4: Well, my patience is unlimited. Gentleman, doctor Sky Jeff, your
Speaker 4: show is awesome. And it started shattering, and you got
Speaker 4: to excuse me. I was just feeding all the information
Speaker 4: from Gain and Function into my artificial intelligence. I'm waiting
Speaker 4: for the anthe to come out. But let me go
Speaker 4: before I get to the meat and potatoes. Let me
Speaker 4: just say some to everybody that I think I have
Speaker 4: a little more experience on this the fifth the this
Speaker 4: amendment does not get suspended, okay. And also they were
Speaker 4: looking to get the key blarrelf on perjury. They don't
Speaker 4: want a criminal trial because all the evidence will come
Speaker 4: out and you want to know how embarrassing that will be.
Speaker 4: No eighty five year old people help pull the sofa himself.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Now let me get back to what the meat potatoes.
Speaker 4: When you guys are talking about it's phenomenal.
Speaker 22: Artificial intelligence, data centers, computer chips, cloud. Have we noticed
Speaker 22: through the years when we develop all this stuff and
Speaker 22: we are number one, no one's even close. China had
Speaker 22: stuff because they steal it to us, and Russia had
Speaker 22: stuff because we gave it to them because we were stupid.
Speaker 10: To give it to them back in the seventies.
Speaker 4: But miniaturation, miniaturizing our technology is one of the most
Speaker 4: to meet, one of the most phenomenal things going. And
Speaker 4: I believe data centers eventually will be miniaturized.
Speaker 13: There will also be.
Speaker 4: Ways of developing more energy. So people in those towns
Speaker 4: which I believe the data centers eventually certain places will
Speaker 4: not be near those places. Is because people are getting
Speaker 4: at it. But I want to emphasize this, and Jeff,
Speaker 4: you ancident, if you have a background, China and Russia
Speaker 4: do not want us to be number one in data
Speaker 4: and data centers or artificial intelligence, so they're working inside
Speaker 4: this country to stop it. And they're funding somebody's protests.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised,
Speaker 3: especially especially China, you know, doing that because and we
Speaker 3: also know as well that that China has has infiltrated, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, a wide variety of government agencies and uh
Speaker 3: in all different you know, aspects of American life as well.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure that they are impacting and influencing things
Speaker 3: as well as funding you know, certain certain kinds of
Speaker 3: either narratives, propaganda, protests, you know, things along those lines.
Speaker 3: I think I think on I think, on one hand,
Speaker 3: it's it's very easy to say that, you know, because
Speaker 3: like Kevin O'Leary, you know who's heavily invested in a
Speaker 3: lot of these aidentis AI data centers, saying that all
Speaker 3: all of the people that are saying that they are
Speaker 3: opposed to the AI data centers, that they're basically all
Speaker 3: inconhusive with China. I think we have to be careful
Speaker 3: not to go that far because I've got concerns about
Speaker 3: a lot of these AIDS data centers as well, and
Speaker 3: I definitely have zero ties to China. But also on
Speaker 3: the flip side, there is definitely propaganda and things going
Speaker 3: on because they want to make sure that they're going
Speaker 3: to win the race.
Speaker 2: Not us.
Speaker 1: Lenny, thanks for the insightful commentary. You're spot on on this,
Speaker 1: and occasionally, ladies and gentlemen, with no apology, we talk
Speaker 1: about stories of American exceptionalism and bringing our mindset to
Speaker 1: understand what Jeff Dornick is talking about with great guests
Speaker 1: like himself on the problematic thing of these companies that
Speaker 1: may not necessarily be bad companies. I mean that's a
Speaker 1: very general word, but the concern we have to have
Speaker 1: out there, people must give their consent. So if you're
Speaker 1: in a small city many are, even a big city,
Speaker 1: municipal surveillan's ordinances on surveillance ought to be determined by
Speaker 1: qualified voters. I think Jeff would agree on that. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: but as we close out the show, I wanted to
Speaker 1: go and step out a little further and leap out
Speaker 1: describe to us from a Christian standpoint, your book Church
Speaker 1: and State, and then talk about a new book that
Speaker 1: you're coming out with here if you don't mind sharing
Speaker 1: it following the leader. What's the premise spike behind both of.
Speaker 3: These books, Yeah, definitely. So the book Church and State
Speaker 3: was kind of a sequel to another book that we
Speaker 3: put out the year before, called Social Injustice. So the
Speaker 3: first book was called Social Injustice Exposed in the False
Speaker 3: Gospel of the Social Justice Movement. I brought together a
Speaker 3: bunch of experts to each kind of write a chapter
Speaker 3: on their expertise dealing with the social justice movement from
Speaker 3: a theological standpoint. So we compared everything with scripture, dove
Speaker 3: into the worldview, the theology behind the movement and all
Speaker 3: that Church and State kind of became the sequel that
Speaker 3: where that ended up focusing more on the strategy of infiltration,
Speaker 3: specifically into the evangelical church because you know, as a
Speaker 3: lot of people have seen in common to that, you know,
Speaker 3: you walk into a church and then you leave and
Speaker 3: it sounds like you just left the Bernie Sanders aoc rally.
Speaker 3: It's like this exactly right, and it's like, how did
Speaker 3: how did we get to that point? And so you know,
Speaker 3: we I've got doctor Bobby Lopez who wrote about how
Speaker 3: the left actually infiltrated into the theological seminaries. We we had,
Speaker 3: we had another another chapter was by Pastor Greg Lacke
Speaker 3: taking a look at at how the church was hijacked
Speaker 3: in the midst of COVID we you know took you know,
Speaker 3: I wrote a chapter on the evangelical culture personality and
Speaker 3: how that's used to manipulate people. So there was a
Speaker 3: lot of different things that they were exposed in that book,
Speaker 3: and it's it's a great book to really understand how
Speaker 3: the how the church was hijacked. The book that I'm
Speaker 3: working on right now is called Following the Leader, which
Speaker 3: expands on the chapter that I wrote within Church of
Speaker 3: State about the evangelical culture personality. But I'm looking specifically
Speaker 3: at how this kind of culture personality is playing out
Speaker 3: in politics. It happens on the left, it happens on
Speaker 3: the right, It happens in all different you know mediums
Speaker 3: really where where they will use these leaders in order
Speaker 3: to try to get you to identify yourself with that person.
Speaker 3: And then once you identify with that person, it's very
Speaker 3: easy to mold your belief system and change your belief
Speaker 3: system to align when that person molds or changes. And
Speaker 3: so that like when you think about it, for a
Speaker 3: lot of people that in the midst of COVID, Anthony
Speaker 3: Fauci was that quote unquote culte leader to a certain
Speaker 3: degree to where whatever he said when he'd one day
Speaker 3: he'd say wear mask, the other day he'd say wear
Speaker 3: three masks, and now the day he'd say wear no masks,
Speaker 3: and people would morph with it because they were in
Speaker 3: line with him as their quote unquote leader. You know,
Speaker 3: the same thing happens on the right. The same thing
Speaker 3: happens in a variety of ways. So my concern is
Speaker 3: helping people to figure out not only what do you believe,
Speaker 3: but why do you believe it? And is your belief
Speaker 3: system founded on the belief system of somebody else or
Speaker 3: is it because you actually know that what you believe
Speaker 3: is true. So it's kind of that we go through
Speaker 3: this self examination period as well.
Speaker 12: Well.
Speaker 1: Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. Your homemark, if you
Speaker 1: choose to accept it, is to study the Revolutionary War
Speaker 1: black Robe Regiment, the ministry there. That's interesting. That's something
Speaker 1: that many people don't even know about. And we'll leave
Speaker 1: that for another discussion. But in simplistic terms, how would
Speaker 1: you define the black Robe Regiment of the Revolutionary War?
Speaker 3: Now? That was that was realistically it was. It was
Speaker 3: it was a bunch of pastors and reverends you know,
Speaker 3: around the colonies that were actually, you know, preaching about
Speaker 3: the current state of what was going on in the
Speaker 3: relationship between America and England, and they were actually engaging
Speaker 3: their congregations to get involved, to push back. And so
Speaker 3: it was really interesting because you know, there's a pietist
Speaker 3: movement that happened then it's also happening now where there
Speaker 3: was pastors like we want to stay out of the
Speaker 3: quote unquote the politics or the government or you know,
Speaker 3: we just want to preach the gospel, that preach the Bible.
Speaker 3: And then there was these Black Regiment pastors where they
Speaker 3: were like, no, the bier, there's biblical principles that can
Speaker 3: apply to this situation, and I think that we can
Speaker 3: learn from that.
Speaker 1: Today you bring up something that's not a left time
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes left here in the top
Speaker 1: of this hour of two number two. You bring up
Speaker 1: something here. It's called the economy is booming? So why
Speaker 1: are you broke? What's the general consensus behind that? It
Speaker 1: sounds very interesting and I'm sure many people will relate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it was interesting because because I did an
Speaker 3: episode of my show, of The Jeff Joruners Show, and
Speaker 3: I had a guest on that we're talking about a
Speaker 3: capitalism and socialism, and he was he was He was
Speaker 3: really making the argument about how you know the the
Speaker 3: economy is booming, you just look at the stock prices,
Speaker 3: and you look at the GDP and you look at
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. And you know, I tended
Speaker 3: to while I agree with him that socialism is awful,
Speaker 3: I also feel like we have to also be honest
Speaker 3: about the current state of the economy. And yes, stock
Speaker 3: prices are up, but that's dealing with America the entity
Speaker 3: that's dealing with the big corporations, that's dealing with the wealthy.
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily dealing with the everyday Americans. The everyday
Speaker 3: Americans largely are struggling.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 3: Grocery prices are up, Like you know, my wife and
Speaker 3: my wife and I were going through our budget, you know,
Speaker 3: and everything, and it's like we have nowhere to cut
Speaker 3: because everything, all the prices are going up on virtually everything,
Speaker 3: and it's it's really crazy about that. So it's like,
Speaker 3: on one hand, you've got the numbers that the economists
Speaker 3: look at, like the economy is booming, it's growing, and
Speaker 3: then on the other hand, you're looking at the everyday
Speaker 3: Americans that are struggling to get by, and there's this
Speaker 3: tension there on, you know, And I think that we
Speaker 3: have to acknowledge both sides of the equation to truly
Speaker 3: gauge how the economy is going and how we can
Speaker 3: actually serve the American people.
Speaker 1: Very well, said Jeff Dornic. I hope you'll come back,
Speaker 1: and I say that the guests that we of course
Speaker 1: every guest I asked that but it's your opportunity.
Speaker 2: To hear be heard here on this powerhouse blow torchs.
Speaker 1: We certainly would appreciate another time with you as your
Speaker 1: book and the second book comes out following the leader,
Speaker 1: You're welcome here anytime, and again go to his particular.
Speaker 1: This app, Ladies of the Pickaxe is at pickaxe dot com.
Speaker 1: Is that the location that people can get it? Tell
Speaker 1: me one more time?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they can go over to pickax dot com
Speaker 3: or the you guys and deload the app directly in
Speaker 3: the iOS or the Google Play app store.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Jeff Dornick of The Jeff Dornick Show, always great information.
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