Speaker 1: You're listening to Big the Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
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Speaker 1: Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,
because today you'll hear another account that just might change
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Speaker 1: All right, Big the Society've got the privilege of talking
to Matthew today. Matthew's got some extremely interesting things that
have happened over the years out there in the Pacific Northwest,
and so we're going to be talking about that today.
This will be one of the episodes. We'll be chatting
back and forth. I always check uh with the individual
to see what they would be more comfortable with and
that came up, So we will definitely be doing that
and that'll that'll make for a fun time. So Matthew,
welcome to the show. How are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm good at Thank you everyone.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure you know if you're you
head on over to the YouTube side. If you're not
over there, you'll see a nice background. Matthew's got some
plants you. I know, he's got a few fish back there.
You probably want to see those, but the plants are nice.
But Matthew, so man, I know we've got a lot
to go into. But let's start back at the beginning. So,
was bigfoot a thing where you grew up with it
or was there an experience that kicked things off for
you and you're like, wow, what is going on in
the woods out here?
Speaker 3: So the So, the first time, first time I ever
had any type of like recollection of bigfoot sasquatch, what
do you want to call it, was actually at hunting
camp when I was like in third grade and that
that was in this archy unit in Oregon and my
and I and I totally talked to my brother about
this recently in October, and I remember my dad and
my grandfather arguing and my dad saying something about red eyes,
and my grandfather looking at me and saying, well, grizzly
bearries have red eyes, and then his wife at the time,
my dad's wife at the time, looking at us and saying,
they're just talking about grizzly bears. And then the crazy
part is this is that trip, we had killed a
bunch of deer. I didn't, but my family did, and
we had hung them and bagged him and everything. And
I remember the middle of the night us turning on
the lights of our truck on the deer and I
don't and that's all that I really remember. And then
I've actually asked my dad about that, and because my
dad's had stuff happened, and he just he doesn't really
talk much about it, but he was he was kind
of like, yeah, we were arguing about that. Now that
I'm older, we're we're a little more open about it.
That was like the first time ever that I'd ever
remember anything. And then it and then it kind of
and then you know, lfe goes on and you grow,
and then and then the Packwood Lake incident starts that
that we're originally that I originally reached out to you
about and then and then honestly ever since that, like, man,
not every time, but you hear people say stuff like
you get tagged or marked or whatever it is. But
I'll tell you what, man, Like the last like gosh,
four or five times I've been in the woods, stuff's
happened in different parts of the world, which which is
crazy to me. And now and now to the point
where I'm starting to think that, Okay, maybe it's maybe
whatever you want to call it, right tagged. I think
it's more of just like frequencies and energy and things.
And I think that they can recognize that in certain people,
is my personal opinion. And I think that I think
that they just kind of see that you're more open
at things, is what it was what I it's what
I think is really going. But anyway, that's another conversation.
So yeah, that was that was a long long time ago.
That's I mean, that was the first time that ever.
And then the crazy part is this is that my
whole childhood there was always like we didn't have internet,
so we had like a hallway with a with like
a library like shell with books, right, and and my
dad always had just books about bigfoot and things like that,
And it wasn't called sasquatch back then. It was always bigfoot,
you know what I mean. Because it was so way
back in the day, I'd never even heard the term sasquatch.
And that's something I actually want to talk about with
the Packwood Lake incident. Oh yeah, because because of the
stuff that happened. It was so when I was in
Packwood Lake. Do you want me just to kind of get.
Speaker 1: Into that before before we do? I just want to
And this is more because I'm curious. So when you
say Starky Unit, are you saying Starky by Yu Kaya?
Speaker 3: I don't. I've never heard of you Kaya. I know.
We used to drive through Peddleton. We used to drive
through Peddleton, go into Oregon and then head up into
the unit called Starky Unit. And there's a place called
Fly Creek in that in that area and that was
an that was an area that that that's when that happened,
and we used to hunt there every year. Crazy Part
two is this is that my dad stopped hunting like
he like he totally like there was like we went
back like two more times and then that was it.
He totally stopped hunting and his whole life like it
was all we that's all we used to do was
go to honey camp. Like that's how it was rased.
It's crazy and and he but he won't but he
won't like really say, that's why you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So, yeah, looking at the map, it is over there,
it's it's a little east of yu Kaya And then
I mean, yeah, dude, there I've talked to some other
people around that area too. There's there's bigfoot stuff that
happens for for sure.
Speaker 2: What year was that again?
Speaker 3: Gosh, that was that must have been that was like
the gosh, I was how old are you in third grade?
How old are you in third grade? What?
Speaker 2: He right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: That so that was in the eight early eighties.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so we're similar asias.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm I'll be forty eight this year. So
that was so that was south So that was probably
so I was born in seventy eight, So that was
probably eighty seven, maybe eighty eighty six to eighty eight,
somewhere in there. Somewhere in there. Whenever you have rold
you're in third grade. I didn't really figured out the date.
On that. So then.
Speaker 2: That experience did it?
Speaker 1: Did it affect you pretty intensely or is it you
mentioned and I know a little bit about there's packwood
like coming. Is that Is it a later experience that
really has set things off?
Speaker 2: Would you say?
Speaker 3: So? I didn't even sort of be honest with you
up until up until after Idaho when I kind of
told you that I had blacked out and everything, which
we'll talk about, I didn't really even understand anything, like
I I never really even like it didn't it didn't
really I was. I just it just wasn't a reality,
Like it wasn't like I didn't No, not at all,
not in a way that I would be able to.
Like I am now older and so I understand what's
really going on, and I've had different experiences. No, not
at all, Like didn't affect me in anyway. Still raising
the woods, still hunted, still fish did all that stuff,
and it never I'd never even thought about it. I
even went like when.
Speaker 4: I was in middle school, we would go to chief
Fuluska back in the day, and we would go to
the as a school function, and he would do like
the Wild Woman or the Woods Dance and all that
kind of stuff, and they would take the they would
take the kids and put them in the basket and
all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And I didn't even really understand then what was really
going on. Now now I totally understand what's going on
because I know that they're real and I know there's
a bunch of crazy stuff going on with them. That's
not what some people think they are, right. So, no,
I didn't. I didn't really honestly, kind of it didn't
come too until later in life when I when I
was I started like crypto PTSD, when podcasts first started
in YouTube and things, I ran into like crypto PTSD,
and then I was like hearing these stories and I
was like, man, I've had all that stuff happen to me,
Like holy crap. And I and then I kind of
like was putting two to two together and I was like,
holy crap, like this and it was explaining everything that
had been happening to me. And I didn't really put
it together until I was.
Speaker 1: Older, to be honest with you, Okay, okay, yeah, very interesting.
So would would Pack would be the next logical stop
to go to on things that you've experienced?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So Packwood Lake. So back in the day Packwood Lake,
and that was in we would hike into Packwood Lake
Memorial Day on my buddy's birthday. And the first time
we did that, we backpacked in. And that was in
nineteen ninety three, before we had driver's licenses and we
were into We just got it to float to being
we were big fly fishermen back in the day, and
so we and back then pack with lake like there
was no one there, like you would hike in. It's
like a five mile hike. There's a little cabin on
the fro side of the lake, and then we would
hike around the backside to where the creek would run
in that runs off with like the Goat Rocks and
Johnson Peak and everything right there. And there's a beautiful
campsite right there where the creek fed end of the
lake and we would camp there. And so the first time,
the first time we backpacked in there was for my
buddy's birthday with his dad. And so I was I
packed in a float tube and we're talking like old
school metal frame right like it was, And now that
I'm older, it's like, wow, I had cad good. It
was super heavy. But so here's the crazy part. So
we hike in and this is what happened, and I'm
just going to dive into it, okay, because I only
talked with one other person about this incident. I didn't
talk about this on the last last time I did
something like this, and I really don't talk about this
because it's just kind of crazy, right, But then I
had something else happened later in life and made you
realize that it's real. So as soon as we hit
the cabin on pack With Lake, there's a like a
ranger cabin, I guess or whatever it is, right, I
don't know if you've ever been there or not. Now
apparently I guess. There's people all over the place there.
But you hit the ranger cabin, then do you take
a break because it's about a five mile hike, and
then you start to loop around the left side of
the lake. And so when we started a loop around
the left side of the lake, my buddies was first,
my buddy was next, And there's an island in Packwood
Lak and so and I remember starting putting on my
backpack and starting to walk around the left side of
the lake, and I was looking at the island and
so here's the crazy part. And this is the part
where I wonder sometimes what it really is because of
what was what happened something and it was literally a boy.
So that's where that's where the bigfoot sleep And and
when I was looking at the island and I was,
it kind of caught me off guard and I was like, well,
I didn't really didn't really put two and two together, right,
So I so I I wanted to catch up with
my buddy and his dad, so I you know, and
I'm that got the head of his pack, so I'm
lagging behind, so I'm trying to catch up with them.
And I didn't really I didn't really understand what it was.
People call it mind speak. To me, it's telepathy because
I've had it happened with a person, not like a
real life person before one other time later in life.
And that's when I kind of recognized what was going
on in the pack would because I had to happen
with an actual human. So and that's what I was like,
is this would happened in Packwood, right. So then that
that trip and here's the crazy part. So that trip
we hiped in, spent the night. The next morning, I
woke up and I pumped up my float to got
the water right, and it was super early, and I
went on and on. I don't know about now. Back
in the day, you could only take the trail around
to where the creek fed into the lake and then
head up towards Johnson Peak and everything. And we would
hike Johnson Peak and snow grass Flats every summer in
August and do that too, come back around. And that's
another conversation. Never had anything happen up there, only packwood.
But there wasn't a trail that went around the other
side of the lake. It was only like up to
that and then up to the goat rocks. Right. So
I get in my float to and I'm paddling right
and I'm going around that side of the lake and
I'm dragging woollibogers and I'm catching trout. And when I
reached that side of the lake, a tree I thought
a tree fell. Now, when I'm older, I understand that
that's not really a thing. Like in all the years
I've spent the woods after that, I've never heard or
seen a tree fall or anything. And it was big.
So and the crazy part is, so this thing well,
and now I think it got pushed over, right, and
it kind of it kind of scared me a little bit,
and I remember like having the feeling of like, holy crap,
that's that's really weird, right, and so I kind of
started paddling away. And you got these like fins on
right up, caver did float to you got these things.
You can't move that fast, right right, try to like
get away. And I tried to head towards the other
side of the other side of the lake where our
camp is, and and so, and then all of a
sudden there was a couple of loons. And now I
don't think there were louts, so there was. There was
these loons that kept going back and forth, which I
thought of the time wore loons making noise, but I
couldn't there was no loots, right, you couldn't see it.
So and and now that I'm older, I honestly think
what was going on because I had another pack with
lake experience with eleven other people where we saw PRINTZ
a few years later, so coming coming out of that
creek bed going into the lake, and I could talk
about that too, And so now I think what was
really going on is I think whatever said that to
me and I'm kind of on the fence of it
that's really bigfoot, sasquatch, or something else, because to me,
it seems like every time you hear mind speak, or
not every time, but a lot of the times, it's
always in some type of third person. It's not like
it's like, it didn't say that's where we sleep, right,
it said that's where the bigfoot sleep. So and it
didn't use the word sasquatch either, And at the time,
the only thing that I knew of was bigfoot. I'd
never even heard the term sasquatch. So that so there's
some interesting things that happened. Now that I'm older and
I kind of look at everything because of all the
other experiences I've had, and I'm kind of like, okay,
and it's weird to me that it wasn't that's where
we sleep, or you know what I mean. So I
wonder sometimes when people talk about mind speaker telepathy of
is it really them or is it something else? Is
there something else going on? And that's a totally different conversation.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's such an interesting conversation and too
so to ask you specifically about Uh So, you heard
some say that's where the bigfoot sleep on the island.
Because I've I've experienced this as well, and it's always
weird to think about. But did you Some people say, well,
it sounded inside my head. Some people are like, it
sounded like I heard an actual voice, Like it was
a voice I had.
Speaker 3: It was, it was a voice inside my head, and
it was on the right side of my head, the
same the same side of my head as when the
woman when when the when the woman did that? And
the and the crazy part about the woman is that
I actually connected with her after the fact, like a
year later, and she admitted it that she and there
was a bunch of crazy stuff with that, and and
she's the only person I've ever met that I would
say has the ability with telebaty like, oh, so.
Speaker 2: She admitted to talking to you.
Speaker 3: It took me. It took me. It took me a
really long time to get her to to open up
about it because it was a crazy like it it's
a crazy scenario. And she's had something happen where she
knew I was into sasquatch. She knew that I was
open to things, and she was working for me, and
she came in in the middle of a morning meeting.
I used to run a huge sales room and she
had left and she she was like it almost looked
like she was strung out when she came in, like
she was shaken and scared and she had something happen.
And before that, she had asked me about sasquatch and
she said, do they speak to you? And I'm like,
and I didn't know how to respond to that. Now
I understand why she was saying that, because she has
all kinds of stuff going on, and she when she left,
I told her to do whatever she needed to help
her something. She left, she walked down the hall. I
came out of my secretary's office and something in my
head and a woman's voice had helped me. And I
totally stopped in the hallway and thought I thought I
was going crazy, Like literally stopped and was like, what
was going on? I literally thought I was going crazy,
and I kind of looked back at my secretary. She
looked at me with this weird look. I didn't say anything.
I just went back to work. And then like a
year later and I and she didn't work for me.
After that, she totally left. And then I reached out
to her and kind of told her what was going
on and told her a little bit more in depth
about my life and things like that. And then and
then she kind of opened up a little bit and
and things like that. And that's so yeah. So, I
mean it's that with these real authority been proven. Uh.
But so. And that's why sometimes I wonder if it's
really sasquatch i'd speaking to people, or or if it's
something else, because I just not at all. But I
hear a lot of people use it in like a
third third party right, Like it doesn't seem like a
lot of them are first person. And it's an interesting
and the right side of the brand. It's an interesting pattern,
is all I'm saying. I have no.
Speaker 2: Clue that really is the one.
Speaker 1: Let's see the so I experienced that I think I
just maybe brought up a few times.
Speaker 2: It was actually before. It's really weird when you think
about it. Was I was in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: This is a few months ago, was taking a nap
in a cabin where people get chased out of the
cabin on this area, like it's very active, and so
I'm taking a nap, trying to take a nap, and
it's in, like you're just dozing off, So.
Speaker 2: You're in that area, yeah right, and I hear something in.
Speaker 1: My ears say say gotcha? And I was like, oh
my goodness. Like I got out of that cabin and
I went back to the other people. And then when
I got back home, that's when all the cancer stuff
started kicking off, which is, you know, maybe just a coincidence,
but it's it's it's weird.
Speaker 2: So so, how.
Speaker 1: Did you experienced this this really interesting stuff at Packwood Lake,
which that area Packwood, Washington is so so incredibly active.
There's so many accounts that I've alone gotten from that area.
How did that affect you after that? In that point
of your life?
Speaker 3: So it really didn't like I because I didn't understand.
I just didn't know. I was young. I didn't get
it right. So it really didn't So so I went
on with life. So we would do that backpacking trip
every year with friends and not his dad after that,
and the group got bigger and bigger and then and
then basically there was in nineteen ninety five, I wrote
down some dates here. In nineteen ninety five, eleven of
us backpacked in there, and when we woke up the
second morning we woke up. There was a trackway that
came out of the creek and it went into the lake,
but it stopped about twenty minutes, about twenty feet from
the lake, and it just totally disappeared. And the funny
part was this is and I literally remember looking at
my buddy and saying, dude, look at those footprints, like
there's something weird in the middle, because there was like
this huge archway. Now I understand it was a mid
tarsl break, and back then I had no clue, and
they were totally in a straight line too, and all
these things I hadn't I didn't have any clue, right,
but I remember these details, and I remember all of
us like like looking at him and everything. And then
they were about so Ian. My buddy, Ian is about
six two six three and he's a brick bason. His
old family were brickmasons. They built saqways and stuff. And
he was where it's cerel boots because it had snowed
and he's got like a size twelve and there were
they were the footprints were about as big as his
cerel boots, so barefoot so that so that so like
if it was a shoe it would be you know,
size fourteen, size fifteen, whatever it is, right, So they
were good they were I mean, they weren't huge, they
weren't like the ones I saw in October, but they
were good size. And it was it just looked like
the middle of the foot had like a ridge pushed
up like in the in the middle and now I
understand it was what people call mid tarsal break. But
they just stopped too. That was the weird part. Like
the driveway totally just stopped, and it was like, well,
we all were kind of like, well, did it jump
into the lake like or like what happened to the
like cause it just totally stopped and it came literally
out of the the uh the creek bed. And then
later on the crazy part is later on after that,
we all woke up and we're all being kids. We're
all juniors and seniors in high school, right, so we're
just being juniors and seniors. And where and Ian was
was in the had we had kind of hyped up
into the creek a little bit. And Ian was climbing
up these trees and grabbing the tops and like bringing
them down and and like falling and catching himself to
other trees right like, and and it was it was
actually pretty impressive. But I remember and he was making
monkey noises because he was kind of just because he
was acting like a monkey, right And I remember when
he did that. I remember looking up the creek and
I just got this feeling of of like something not good,
Like it wasn't a good feeling. And I had that
other feeling later on in my life too, and ido
so and and now now I wonder if there was
something watching us in the woods, you know what I mean,
because of that whole feeling and everything. Yeah, back with
Lake was was kind of crazy. That's what it kind
of started. But I still didn't It still wasn't like
a like I wasn't. I was just so young and
just I had a crazy life. So and I'll talk
a little bit about that when I get into Idaho
and stuff.
Speaker 1: So, so, man, you must have there must have been
a situation and maybe it comes much later, but there
must have been a time when it just hit you
like a ton of bricks and you made all the
connections about everything in your life.
Speaker 3: And that was later in life. And that's the great part.
It is, like even even all the stuff in Idaho,
and and the stuff that happened when I so, I mean, yeah,
it all, it all. There was a point where it
all kind of connected and it was a real eyebudder
for me. And then and then it was the point
of Okay, who do I even talk to about this? Right?
Like podcasts were just getting started. I don't know if
you've ever heard of crypto PTSD, like YouTube I have
that was that was like super old school. That was
like the first YouTube I would watch. Uh, then like
West started his stuff right and and then and then
and then it was like just all kind of beginning.
Is when all that was beginning, is when I started
hearing these stories and it was all the same stuff
that happened to me. I mean I've I've ran the
gamut of everything from lights to experience to babies in
the woods like little kids laughing like all that stuff.
I've had everything except for like a frougle literally like
lookie right at me. But I did have the thing
in Idaho that I my first thought was, oh, in
the buffalo, right, But there's no buffalo where I was living. Okay,
And now now I realize what I think it was
was one on all fours walking out of my camp
and that's what we can talk about that a little
bit or whatever.
Speaker 1: Wow, So would you say that that Idaho would be
the next the next uh place where you experience things
or where there are other things that happened between Packwood
Lake and Idaho?
Speaker 2: Do you think so?
Speaker 3: So I was raised in like a battleground Yacol area,
like Sunset Falls, Yackol battle ground that I was raising
the right, so we would so are are kind of
getting away from just being kids as we would drive
to the mountains and camp and things like that. So
there's an area on the S five thousand rode up
by Sussaun Creek and there's a campground right there. The
next thing that actually happened that I think might have
been something was me and my buddy went up there
and we'd hiked down the creek and we had uh,
we'd spent the night. We were just kind of pitching
rooster tails, and we we hiked down, made a bed
out of ferns. I took a bunch of moss but
ferns on top of it. Spent the night out there,
and then in the next morning something was walking around
us in a circle and I remember waking my buddy
up and saying, hey, like, dude, there's something there, right,
And he had really done allergies and stuff, so he
kind of just woke up. He had bootgerots and stuff,
and he he was like kind of looked at me
heard it and it was like, oh, it must be
a deer, right, and I and I a deer don't
like it was not a deer at all. So that
that's like the only thing that I remember happening between
that and Idaho, right, So that that I could say
possibly could have been something. So yeah, and then I
and then I ended up moving to Ketchum, Idaho when
I was in nineteen ninety seven and lived there for
a while and had just had some really crazy stuff
happened there.
Speaker 1: So so talking about the battle ground area, do you
remember the name of the campground or was that over
in that's in Scamania County.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that. I don't think that's Kamania County.
So when you drive up, so when you drive through
Yackle and you head up, there's a on the backside
of Yale. So there's on the backside of Yale there
used to be what we would call an ip road
and you could get up on that ip road if
you didn't have a key, and you could go up
the top of Susaw Creek and come back down. So
on the way up past Cannying Prig, you drive past
Canning Crick and there's a and there's like a campground
you drive down in the canyon creek and then you
keep then it's the S five thousand, And when you
drive up on the S five thousand, there's a bridge
and then there's a campground that you pull off and
go down and there's not really a name for it.
There might be now back then, back then it was
just a pull off, right, But yeah, the S five
thousand up on the backside of Piacle and Susa and
Creek is I mean, I'd spent so many weekends up there.
Speaker 2: Gas just interesting. And what was the what was the
year that you had that happen at the campground?
Speaker 3: So that was when that must have been nineteen ninety six,
I think somewhere around there. Yeah, I was still I
was still that was in nineteen ninety six. I was
still in high school then.
Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, And so you had said that, so then
you moved out to Idaho to catch them, and there
was a lot of activity that was happening out there.
Speaker 3: So so I had moved out to ketch them with
a friend of mine and his girlfriend, and we we
knew someone there and so we were just going. We
were young and just kind of, you know, our our
own and stuff until we'd moved there. And so this
is the part I'm going to talk about some things
in my past life, and I won't dive into a
lot of it. But so I was living there and
I was I got to a point there where some
of my friends and I were running marijuana from battle
Ground and we would run loads of marijuana from there
and to catch them and I would sell it right.
And I got to a point where the roommate that
I was living with i'd moved out from my buddy
and he lived with his girlfriend and I got a roommate.
It was it was so much that he wasn't comfortable
with me having it in the house. And I totally
get it. Right now that I'm older, I totally get it.
He was older than me, and so he was like, dude,
this is a felony. You can't be in the house.
And so what I would do is in the summertimes,
I would actually live in the woods, and so I
would I had an old toyleta with a with a
canopy and a safari rack, and I had a woolfiebrid dog,
et cetera, et cetera, and I would I would drive
back to battle ground, pick up loads of weed for
my buddies who would grow it and get it from Canada,
and then back and sell it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: And what I would do is I would bury it.
It was all vacuum stealed, so I would bury it
in the ground in case someone like a game warden
or whoever, right, they would catch me with it. Right. So,
and I was up in one of my main my
main areas I would camp was Neil Canyon. So if
you drive through catch them and you go up north
and you go up into Neil Canyon and you take
a ride, there's a place up there. And now I
think it's a little more developed. It's been years when
I Google mapped it a while ago. So I I
before I started running marijuana up there, I was doing
chinking work on a big log cabin right there, and
then had a big horse arena and stuff like that,
and so That's how I knew. On a lunch break,
I drove up in the mountains and was checking out
camps one, so so I knew how to get up there, right,
So I was. I was actually and you could stay
in a spot for about fourteen days before the rangers
would come in and make you move because you can't
really live there, right, So I had a couple of
locations where I would kind of bounce around and I
was and the whole so the whole time I was there,
And I'm just going to dive into this, and this
is one of the most crazy things that it's ever
happened to me. And I'm not proud of the story
because of some of something that I did, but I'm
totally open to talk about it and people can just
think whatever they want.
Speaker 2: I really don't care.
Speaker 3: So I when I was in there, I had a
wolf hybrid dog that the whole time I was there,
every single day, it was like these coyotes would try
to call her out during the date during the night.
And where I'm from, there's coyotes everywhere, like they're they're
they're everywhere, and they kill dogs and things like that,
and you can hu them where I'm from, so you
can get like seven seven dollars a pelt back in
the day. Right. So I got to a point where
I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to
kill some of these coyotes and and get them away
from my camp because I felt like they were going
to kill my dog. Right. And so to the right
of that camp ground, there's like a little green clearcun
it's like a little green belt, right, it goes up
into a ridge of like a v with these it's
all wooded up above right, and that's where a lot
of those coyotes were all always at, was up in
that woodline right there. And so I and this is
the part that I don't talk a lot about because
people don't like to hear this, but I so what
I did is I had a twenty two log rifle
with a banana clip, and I had a three fifty
seven log barrel Magnum and so I and I've been hunting,
and so I set up shop. So I went in there,
I tied my dog up in the middle of the
green bell and I literally tied my nog up on
a log. And then I went back about thirty yards
into the woodline, and I set up shop, and I
sat there for for a very long time, and I
was waiting for these things to start chiming in and
start coming down towards her, and I was going to
start taking some potshots at him to see if I
could kill one of them or whatever, you know, get
them to leave me alone, right right, and so and
so what happened was is that after a little while there,
and this is the this is the crazy part. So
and this and I don't talk a lot about this.
So it was like three coyotes coming off the ridge,
going back and forth. And then as they started working
their way down, it changed. It wasn't coyotes. It turned
into it turned into it got really really loud, and
then it turned into almost like monkey type sounds. And
then and then as they moved down, it turned it
it almost it's it's just so crazy to say. It
almost turned into like men screaming at each other in
a way. And then and then what happened is it
was so loud it was like it was like being
at a concert, like it was just you could feel it.
And I actually blacked out. So I actually blacked out,
for I have no clue how long. It felt like
thirty seconds, it could have been. I had no clue, right,
but I remember black. I remember totally like in my
mind saying what the what, like, what this is going on?
And then I kind of blacked out, and then I
came back. When I came back too, I remember kind
of looking at the ground and then I looked up
and my dog was like literally doing flips try to
get off the leash, like just you know, dawns like
they really want to have something. And I kind of
and then I realized, like, holy crap, what am I
doing it? So I ran over, got her off the leash,
ran back to my truck, and then drove into town
to my buddy's house, and and didn't even really realize
what was going on. And that's the crazy part. So,
and here's here's the crazy part. I didn't even I
had no clue what was going on. Now I'm older
and I totally understand what was going on, but I
had no clue what was going on. I drove back
into town, went to my buddy's house. You know, we
smoked a little weed whatever, right, and then and then
totally just that people could be like, oh you were high, Doude,
I've smoked so much weed. You don't you don't hallucinate
on weed, right, Like, that's not a reality. So so so,
and I just went I went about with my life
right like, I'm run of drugs. I'm I'm not even
thinking about anything like this, right, and so so I
go about my normal life. Now. After that, I was
sleeping at a tenth normally. And after that, I started
sleeping in the back of my truck. And as I
was kind of in that same area, there was nights
when my dog would like growl at the at the
back as I leave my tailgate Oakum and she would
literally and then after that she started growling, I started
to lip to my tailgate and closing it all right,
And so now that I'm older, So here's the crazy
part about that. And then I'll talk about because I
moved to another campsite after the certain time I had
to rotate, right, and that's when I thought I saw
a buffalo. But now I realized it wasn't a buffalo.
So that campsite up Neil Canyon right there, and I
believe it's still there. I think they built a couple
more houses behind the main house with the orse arenas
and stuff. But I think that camp sign is still there.
There was no coyote crap. There was no coyote sign
like there was. There was nothing like that going on whatsoever, like,
And when I was at the time, I wasn't really
thinking that. Right now that I'm older, and I hyped
around that whole area so many times and just never
ever saw any sign or any thing like that. And
even after that, one time we hiked up on the
other ridge on the other side, because there's a bunch
of like in that area, the saw twos right there,
there's a bunch of you like hike up and there's
like Steve cliffs and things, right, And I hiked up
to a certain point and there was like this ledge
that I had to kind of climb up, and I
remember grabbing my dog and throwing her up on top
of that to get her up on top. And then
she as soon as I did that, man, she came
off that so fast and ran down to our camp
and went the truck. And I was like, well, and
then I got like this feeling of just like like
I couldn't go any further, right, And so I actually
thought it was a cat. So there was a bunch
of cougar sightings and problems in that area at the time,
and so I thought it was a cat, and so
I actually pulled my firearm out and I had my
three fifty seven and I'm like, holy crap, like there's
a cat here, right, and I'm trying to like get
down the cliff and not get attacked by a cat, right. So,
And the crazy part is I remember and I and
this that's how this this part's happened to me twice
where I remember thinking, Okay, if this thing jumps on me,
it's gonna go for my neck and so and so
I was trying to like get I had my gun
and I'm trying to like get down and keep my
shoulders up in case it pounces on me and opefully
it doesn't get the back of my neck. Yeah, but
I don't think it was a cat. Now that I'm older,
I think it was one of them. And I think
what was happening was there they were watching me the
whole time, is what I think was going on. And
I think one of them was sitting up there or
something was up there that gave me that feeling. And
the crazy part is this man. They could have took
my dog the whole time, and they didn't like they
they And at first I thought maybe they were trying
to get my dog, But now when I'm older, it's like,
I don't think they were, because they could have totally
taken her, like they could have taken me. They could
have taken the dog. They could have taken whatever they wanted.
That's the truth, right, So I so I after that,
so I moved. I moved camps like I would rotate.
I had to, like the circuit, I would rotate. And
I there's another camp across across the road that I
would drive to, and if you drive in, you drive
in facing north and then you come back down south
into the camp and then it hooks to the west.
And I always had a tent, and so no one
else would set up camp. And I remember about gosh,
it was probably a couple of weeks after that other incident,
I drove in and as I was driving into my
truck on the backside of my tent at the time,
here's what I'm just going to tell you, the thoughts
that happened in my mind. And then whatever, right, people
can think whatever they want. I remember seeing what something
walk out of my camp into the bushes, and I remember,
and I remember my mind saying, oh, look it's buffalo.
And the reason I said that was because it had
there was like huge hump, right, but the butt was
so low that it was like, you know, buffalo, like
their butt looks like it's tooper for low and they
have that big hump and and and that's what I saw.
And there was moose everywhere and stuff, and and it
was definitely not a moose and it was definitely not
a bear. And I and I remember saying, oh, look,
it's a buffalo. And it walked into the bushes and
I just thought it was a buffalo. But now that
I'm older, there's no buffalo, and catch like that's not
a reality. There's no there's no buffalo there, Like, that's
not I honestly think that what I was seeing was
one of them on all fours walking out of my camp.
And it was like an it was like a lighter
brownish type color. And I think the hump that I
thought maybe was like the buffalo hub was actually like
the head and the shoulders and it was walking on
all fours of the butt was down lower is what
I the glimpse that I caught them. So and that's
like the only time I can say I ever think
I might have saw one with my own eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, that that that is wild.
Speaker 1: I have a few questions just for my clarification. So
first thing is when you have the situation where the
coyotes are coming down and you hear things start to change,
is that then just the ought what you're hearing changes
into other things or were you seeing things that were changing?
Speaker 3: And I didn't see I didn't see anything, so it
was all it was all audio. And it was so
crazy because as they worked their way down the bridge,
they were they were going back and forth with each other,
so and they and the audio was changing as.
Speaker 5: They were working their way back the down down the
ridge right and and it's like and the funny part is,
like I said on the back of the day when
I talked about this with another person, was it was
almost it was And now I don't.
Speaker 3: Know if that's real because I don't think they really
wanted my dog, but but I almost like there was
a point where I said, it was almost like they
were saying, no, you get the dog, No, you get
the dog, You get the dog because they were going
back and forth. But now now I'm like, well, they
could have just got the dog whatever they wanted, like
they could have taken or a night, they could have
taken her in the day, because she would I mean,
she was a wolf hybrid. She would disappear like just
go crazy, like she was a crazy dog. Yeah, but
she always came back. So they never took her. They
never So that's kind of where now I'm to the
point where I don't think they really wanted the dog.
I think they were just kind of watching us, you
know what I mean, what was going on you and your.
Speaker 2: Would you say you're in your twenties at that time or.
Speaker 3: Percent I'm in my early twenties. I actually turned twenty.
I turned twenty one in Whiskey Jackson Catch Them Yeah nice, Okay,
so yeah I was. I was twenty twenty two, I
think twenty two going on twenty three.
Speaker 1: As I'm man, I'm trying to think of how to
word a question.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm going to ask it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I sometimes I ask questions for my listeners.
Speaker 2: So would you say.
Speaker 1: So the times that you had these experiences, would you
say and this might be hard to remember as well.
Were you uh sober during these times or was do
you get you get what I'm trying to say, very
change early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So a lot.
Speaker 3: Of times people think because I was running marijuana, I
was high all the time, right, And it's totally a
legit question. No, I was sober. So that's that's the
crazy part. So so almost so all of the experiences,
I would say ninety nine percent of my experiences one
hundred percent sober. And most of my experiences I'm actually
with other people, so it's not it's not just me.
So and that's actually a legit question. I appreciate you
asking that because there's people out there that that don't
really understand marijuana and how it works. Right, they think, oh,
this guy's a you know, he's running drugs, he's high,
like he's totally high. No, not at all. So so yeah, No,
I was sober when all this was happening, actually.
Speaker 2: Which was crazy interesting. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then and then so what happened was is that?
And then here So here's the part that kind of
links into the idea of the thing. So I actually
moved back to uh battleground in that area, right, I
actually moved originally I moved back to Kalama originally and
then I ended up in in uh Yackle farber Lake area,
stuff like that. Right, So when I first moved back,
I was just in transition, so I was, I was
staying at a buddy's house. I would sleep in the
back of my truck until I found my own house,
things like that. So I was having a reoccurring dreams
after that. And the crazy part about these reoccurring dreams
is that so here, I'm gonna tell you the dream. Okay, So,
and this is something I haven't really talked a lot about.
So I had this reoccurring dream for about two months
after that whole idea of incident where I was, I've
been through a clear cut with my dog in my
trunk and there was three what I thought at the
time when I would have this dream was three grizzly
bears standing on their hind legs watching me drive through
the cut. So, and I had this dream probably twenty times,
so many times. And now that I'm older that I'm
way more in depth with this whole topic, whatever it is,
I understand that what I what I think was happening
was it was a residual from whatever happened that when
I blacked out because of the three it was the
same three bears every time, same clear cut, same dream,
every single time. And they were the same color as
the thing that walked out of my camp. And they
were standing on their hind legs as I'm driving through
this cut, watching me in this dream, and I and
I totally think it's all connected it and it sounds
so it sounds so crazy to even say it out loud,
but but there's something else going on with these things,
Like it's not it's not what people think.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, man, I I think it's not
crazy because I hear so many and my own experience
as well is when you get in these areas where
you have an experience, sometimes it makes your dreams go
crazy like and just like it just becomes extremely vivid
and it's just like when when when?
Speaker 3: When? When? When when?
Speaker 2: Because that happened to me as well first time in Oregon.
Speaker 1: It was just like it took over my It just
takes over, you know, when when you're dreaming and it
just keeps hitting you over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: It's just wild.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm totally with you, you know, and I
hear other people say stuff like that too. I mean,
I don't know why it happens, but it's like we
get that connection and then it just kicks. It's like
every time you hear someone's story, you can be like, Okay,
they're going to start to have wild dreams and then crazy, right,
you're going to maybe have pelepathy.
Speaker 3: Right, it's crazy. Yeah, and the crazy part too, like,
and you talk to way more people than than than
me obviously, right. But and so there's patterns that I'm noticing.
I listen to every Sass Squatch podcast you can imagine, right, right, So,
and I've noticed my own patterns that I hear from
thousands of other people that I'm just like, holy crap,
like this stuff, there's something going on. So it's crazy
to me. What's crazy to me is when I hear
people saying, oh, it's just some type of ape, That
to me is crazy because if it was literally an ape,
none of this stuff would be happening. Like, there's so
many differences with it that I'm like, if it isn't eight,
it's got telepathy, it's got all kinds of different abilities
that apes don't have. And that's why I'm like, Okay,
it's I don't think it's that right.
Speaker 1: So, and just to clarify, there's some people that might
be thinking. So when we say that's crazy, we're not
saying that the people are crazy. We're saying, what that's wild, Like,
it's just so that's what we're kind to stay here. Yeah, absolutely,
so man, how that must have eff started to affect
you wild after or create?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what happened? So here's what happened. And this
is the part where I honestly believe that people either
have a frequency or they somehow get marked or something.
Because after that, so I moved. I had a house
in Farger Lake. My buddy had a house up Sunset
Falls Road on ride Hool Creek, and we were growing
marijuana up by Sunset Falls, up by Yacoult Mountain, that
whole area up and there. So we would put out
a couple thousand plants every summer and work them in
different areas. And we do like fifty two hundred plants
in different areas and spread them out so we wouldn't
lose a whole crop, right, because all people steal on stuff,
cops everything you could maloggers everything you can imagine, right,
and that area, I'll tell you what. And that's the
same area where like West had his stuff happened and
things like that. I'll tell you what. There's some crazy
stuff going on up there. We we heard. We had
so much crazy stuff happen up there. There was uh,
I mean babies crying, and so we would work in
the middle of the night, so we would go in,
so we would we would prep everything during the day.
We had ATVs. We would take in and we made
trails and you couldn't see. We'd get in there because
it's all warehouse, their property, right, it's all in there.
So we would we would put stuff in in the day,
but then we would maintain stuff at night. So we
were all and we try to get out of there
before the loggers would come in, because the loggers get up.
They get in there like three forty five four in
the morning, right, So we would always go in from
like ten thirty eleven ish a night till that time
when the loggers would come in and try to take
care of our plants and then leave. Man, we had
so much crazy stuff. Like the first thing that happened
up there, was when we were prepping one of the springs.
We were prepping for a summer crop, and we were
moving material and during the day we would take fencing
and stuff like that and during the day without plants
or anything, because if you got cou of fencing, you
don't go to jail, right, maybe trust passing that that's it.
So one of the times me and my buddy were
and the and these guys that I've worked with, we
grew up from kids like, you know, little first grade,
Like they're brothers. Right. So we we had came out
of this area and we were stopping and taking a
rest on our ATVs and down that road we came
from where a bunch of stuff happened. Later, dude, it
sounded like little kids laughing and playing. It was. It
was so crazy. And I literally looked at him and
I was like, you heard that right, And he was
like he kind of looked at me, and I'm like,
you heard that right, And he was like, is that
a ghost? Like we're those ghosts? And I'm like, dude,
I'm like, there's no ghosts in the middle of the woods,
Like those are little kids. And he was like, well,
he was like yeah, they're little kids. He's like, yeah,
I heard the little kids. And I'm like, what was that.
He's like, sounded like little kids, and I'm like, dude,
there's no Like we were just in there, there's no
little kids running around. There's there's no kids running around
out there, right, And so he was like it must
be ghosts. And I'm like whatever, right, and so we
so you leave right, So, and that whole area was
just insane. Man. One of the nights we were in there,
so we would drive in and some of the spots
we would put on along creeks because the taproots would
get down under the water table and we have to
water them less, right, And some of the spots we
had to take water in. So one of the spots
we had to take water in there was like a
little colvert that we would stop and fill up our
jugs and we had tots on our ATDs, right, so
we had utility ATVs and man, I'll never forget this
is so crazy. So there was like this little pulvert
with like probably a six sent of quick round like
the water would puddle up, right, so we'd fill for
drugs and we had ATV helmets on and this is
the time when I thought maybe a cat the same thing.
So this happened. This happened here. So we go in
and I'm in the front, my buddy's behind me, and
we're filling up our jugs. And as we're filling up
our jugs, and baby starts crying, and it's literally it's
literally probably thirty yards maybe a little less, right up
above us in the cut. And I look up at
him and he's his eyes are like this big right,
and I'm just like, holy crap. And he's the type
of guy when we grew up where if anything crazy happened,
he just run right. And I knew it. And I
looked at him and I said, man, do not leave
me here. I literally I looked at him. I said,
do not leave me here. So and then I looked
back up at the baby and he was gone, like
he told me totally. I looked back he was already
plowing through the trail back to the ATVs, was already
on his ATV. It was already like down the road.
And so I'm like, try to get out of there
and get my jugs and everything. And I had my
ATV helmet on, and I remember thinking, man was that
a cap, Like what was that? And I remember thinking,
it's gonna go for my neck, right, and so and
I remember and I totally remember in my mind saying, man,
I'm so glad I got my ATV helmet on. Hopefully
it goes for my neck. It's not gonna be able
to get it because my helmet, I can like head
butt back and I try to, like I was having
those thoughts, and then I got on my ATV and
just was trying to catch up with him, right. But
and dude, it was a baby like. It was not
a cat. I've heard cats, like I've spent the time,
I've listened to every recording you can imagine from cats,
and it was nothing like that. It was literally a
baby and it was so crazy. And now that I'm older, man,
I'm super happy we didn't go see what it was
because I hear some stories out of that area that
are just like not good and and I just yeah,
so that happened. That's also an area we saw we
saw first time I ever saw lights was in that area.
So we actually so after that, we were working this
one area and we we would we would leave and
then head back up the ridge and we would always
stop on the top before what I called it the
bat trails or these ATV trails we had kind of
hidden to get back down to his house, right, And
so before we go in there, we would always just
kind of make sure no one was watching us or
or whatever, right, because you never know, right. Like it's
so we we were sitting on top of the ridge
and this is so crazy, and I and I we
were sitting there and it looked it literally looked like
a motorcycle light and it was round, and it was
going down the road and it was kind of it
was kind of jiggling like this, right, and it was
and it was totally just ripping down the road. And
I looked at my buddy and I'm like, dude, there's
someone on a motorcycle there. They're headed towards our crop.
And he was like, what the someone is someone gonna
rob us? Like we thought someone was gonna rob us, right,
But then as we sat and watched it, there was
no noise or any There was no noise. There was
absolutely nothing. And it was it was probably i don't know,
three hundred, three hundred yards away maybe right, and there
was no noise, there was nothing. It was literally just
a light that looked like about the size of a
of an old school motorcycle headlight, right jiggling down the road,
and then it just disappeared. And so and I looked
at up and I'm like, dude, they just totally pulled
off and stash their bike. Let's go down there, right,
and so and we're and we're young, right, we're bulletproof, right,
So we think people are raminous, So let's go down
there and confront them, which is, now that I'm older,
is the dubbest thing we could have ever done, right,
because now I'm older, I realized people do crazy things
over over marijuana and different things. Right, So we we
drive down there, right, We go down there. There's no tracks,
there's nothing, literally, and then I'm like, well, what the
why didn't we hear it? And he was like, they
must have had silencers. That incident actually got us to
start looking into silencers for ATVs, because they make silencers
so that you could put on ATVs to lower the
decibels so you don't hear them, right, because we thought
we thought it was someone with a silencer on an
old school motorcycle. Now that I'm older, not at all
now that I'm older, it's it's what I it's what
I think people myself included c which whether they're warbs
or lights or people. I've heard indigenous people talk about
Sasquatch travels through through these rods of light and orbs
and things. And I mean, I have pictures that I
think I sent you some that my brother God, who's
a cop I'm Mount Saint Helen's that It's like I
have some of them right here that are insane and
so and so that's now, now that I'm older, I
think that's what that was. Was something, whether it's them
or something, it's just the phenomenon's weird. How you get
these light experiences right, and you hear it on a
regular basis, so they're either attached or there's something going on.
But then I saw lights here on my property where
I lived. One light and it's so I this was
years later, and this was why I was here, Like
we're talking twenty plus whos later. I peowed overman. So
I I need them and I keep them separate, and
they when when I feed them, and the smaller one
I was, I open my garage and feed them. But
I have a mesquite tree on the back side of
my property, and I'm just kind of hanging out and
I'm I'm waiting for them to get done, and I
my smaller one gets in front of me and just hackles,
like full on hackle, right, and so I'm kind of like,
what's going on? Right? And then I look up in
the myski tree and I first I thought it was
a firefly, but I'm like, oh, look at that, And
there's this light in the meskite tree and it's about
the size of a golf ball and it's kind of
moving through the meskite tree and my dog is just
like full like full board, just like hackles like in
front of me, and I kind of start to walk
over to it, and she like stops me, and it's
like in front of me and like not letting me
go over there, and then it just disappears. It totally
just disappeared. And there's where I live, there's no firefights, like,
they don't exist where I live. So and my first
thought though, was like firefly, right, Like I was thinking, Oh,
there must be some kind of insight here that that's
doing that, but then there's no that doesn't they don't
exist where I live. It's not a real thing. So
that's that's the two that the two times I've seen
lights with my own eyes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lights are man, lights are weird. I don't get
them yet, and I've only I've experienced them two times.
One was daring an interview in my office and I
looked across the room and there was an amber colored
orb the size of a marble around.
Speaker 3: In your office. So, man, when we're done here, I'll
send you a picture. In my house and my wife
took there's an orb in ur by next door a
Christmas tree. And one Christmas she's taking a picture of
the Christmas tree and she said it to me and
I'm like, do you see that? And she's like, what
are you talking about? And I'm like, take that same
picture like ten times immediately. And I didn't tell her
why she and I had said it to me, and
she said it to me and it was gone. But
in the first picture she took, there's literally like a
blackish colored, grayish black orb in my living room next
to the Christmas tree and you can see it. It's
so crazy. So and what those are, I have no
clue those are what they say they are. I just
think it's kind of weird how how they're attached. And
then you hear like indigenous impersonations people talk about that's
how they travel and whatever. I mean, whether it's dimensions
or portals or whatever, it is.
Speaker 1: Right, it's I think it's enough hearing all of the
accounts with orbs and and how it happens around Bigfoot
sightings and on all that, it's enough to It's just
one of the things that you know, make me think like, Okay,
all bets are off, Like how can you hear stuff
like that or see stuff like that yourself and be like,
oh no, there's no weird stuff in Bigfoot, dude, there's
weird stuff in Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Like there's weird stuff in Bigfoot. In that's and and
most and mostly the people that say that generally let's
keep it real are generally mainstream type scientists that don't
want to really right, they didn't want to hurt their reputation,
and they're actually they're actually they're not they're not doing
anyone a favor because a they're not they're not being
good scientist because they're not taking all the evidence and
actually actually like looking at it. They're picking and choosing
which is not good. But yeah, but that also makes
me wonder sometimes back to like the telepathy mind speak
was the way that that was said to me, A
pack with lake was third it was third person like
it wasn't. And it makes me wonder if if some
of the mind speak, maybe some of it is bigfoot sasquash,
but if some of it is something else, like if
there's something. I just think our reality is way more
robust than what we've been taught. Oh, it totally is,
and like, I think there's way more going on. I mean,
I have a move on report that the video I
took in my house that is absolutely insane and I
decided to move on and the guy was like, holy crap,
and I'm like yeah, like I literally filled it on
my porch, like it's crazy. So yeah, I can send
you that too. You can look at that. So yeah.
So and then and then I just I think that people, Honestly,
my personal opinion is I think people it's either frequency.
I think that people either have a different energy or
frequency where whatever these things are can either sense it
or maybe they really some of them are telepathic, like
and if they are people, like let's say there are people,
right let's say they're just whatever. There are people, right,
there's I know for a fact that there's people that
have telepathy because of what happened me with that woman.
I know for a fact that's real. Okay, I don't
care what anyone says. It happened. That's already been proven.
So if there are people, do some of them have
that ability and some of them don't? Right, Like, isn't
something similar like that or or whatever whatever it is?
But yeah, and then it's like and it's like, every
time I've been in the woods after that, I've had
crazy stuff happen. Like I rented a house out in
miles of meat lead in in Luadalhara, out the way
out in the middle of nowhere. I rented this huge
house and out there's pine forest. People don't realize that
there's pine forests out there, and it's just like the
pined forests where we're from in Oregon to Washington. Right.
So I rent this house out there to get my
wood fixed. I take my family out there, and this
house is literally out of the middle of nowhere. And
I go out there, and I go out there with intent.
So w and I'm going to talk a little bit
about intent, because that's what happened in October too, was
I went there with stuff to actually record audio with stuff,
and I was actually looking for something to happen and
asking for it in my mind, saying, show me, show me,
show me.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So we woke up and after we woke up, so
we slept on the second story, and there was these skylights, right,
and it was raining a bunch and things like that.
And the first night there was nothing on the skylights.
And was second night we woke up, this was on
the skylight.
Speaker 2: No way, Oh my goodness, wow.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't and here's the crazy part. I couldn't
get up to the skylight to measure it because it
was it was like a vaulted ceiling. But this thing
was like three times bigger than my hand. And I
don't care what anyone says to me. That looks like
some type of handprint.
Speaker 2: That smoked totally. Yeah, man.
Speaker 3: That's that's when my wife started to realize that I
wasn't crazy.
Speaker 2: Absolutely was it? Did you eventually have to clean that off?
Speaker 3: So it was an airbnb that I rented, and it
was on the outside of the skylight, so it had something.
It was on the out side of the skylight, so
I couldn't even get up there without a ladder or anything.
So and the crazy part is this, so that handprint,
which I think is a hamprint, that stayed there the
whole week we were there, and it rained so hard
it was almost like it have like an oil or
something on it that the rain wasn't washing it away.
And then after that the rain let off. So about
three days later the rain let up and we went
on a hike and me and my wife and my
daughter walked down the road. It just kind of went
on a hike in the woods on the road, didn't
really go in the woods, but on the road. Right.
We walked down this road and on the way there's
nothing on the road, and all the way back and
my daughter at the time it is like four, I
think she was four, and so on the way back,
in the middle of the road, there was a gave
grub that was about this big, like the thing was
literally about three It was the biggest a gave grub
I've ever seen in my life. And it was literally
in the middle of the road. And it's like, okay, why,
And I stopped and I was kind of like, what
the what, Like, where did this? The thing didn't crawl there?
And those things don't move that fast, Like, there's no
way that then crawled from when we walked out and
came back. There's no way. There's no way it crawled
out of an agave plant and moved into the middle
of the road. And then and then and then so
here's why. And I always when I have things happen,
I always go to what it might be, just in
normal type thinking. Right, so I'm thinking deductive reasoning, and
I'm like, Okay, well, a bird must have dropped it
or something, right, I've tried to think of what would
put that there, and I'm thinking maybe an animal, maybe
a bird. But it's like if a bird dropped it,
don't you think could circle back around and pick it
back up? Or like if a fox or a coyote, Like,
don't you think they'd like pick that back up? Like
and because they they want to eat it? Right, So
and so that so that happened, and then and then
I didn't go into the woods for for years, just
because I was working my career that I had, I
was a wor alcoholic and all that kind of stuff.
And and then and then and then I and then
I geared up for October. I mean, that's and that's
what happened in October with what happened with my friend
that you know, and things like that. And that was
an interesting That was an interesting trip because I went
in there with equipment, asking for certain bangs. And here's
the crazy part. I got everything I asked for. And
I even said, I don't even care about a visual.
I want audio and I want a footprint. And I
was saying that in my head and then I said
it out loud when I was there, and I got
all that I gotta. I got a so which to
me and that that So this last October is when
I kind of and I was telling him, and you
know who I'm talking about, but I was telling him, dude,
I think there's way more going on than what people think,
like there, because there's stuff that happened on that trip
that I was literally asking for and it happened so
and and and so I just I think there's way
more going on than what people think.
Speaker 1: So, Matthew, I'm curious, when did you so you're you're
asking for specific things, did you start asking for those things?
Like when you got to the area or was it
a thing where you're like ahead of time.
Speaker 3: So before because I hadn't been in the woods in
a really long time. So before that trip, I was
actually working out every day. I was meditating every day.
I was asking for that stuff in my brain while
I was working out and meditating, and I was literally saying,
I would love some audio, and I would love the
footprint and I and I would just repeat it, I
would love some audio, and I would love the footprint.
I don't care about a visual like and I would
just say, and I got that, Like I literally got
I got that. I had the audio. I have audios.
I still have the audios. You've heard the audios. So
I recorded those, and then I got the footprint. We
took a cast of and I have more audios. I
just haven't had the time to clean up the tape.
I'm not like two days worth of audio. And so
I so that's where I'm kind of like, okay, like
I think there might be I think intent might have
something to do with it. If if you're a person
that has the writing energy or frequency and the crazy
and here's, here's and here's and now that we're totally
talking about it. Here's the crazy stuff too. So I
sent you some pictures that my brother got on his
game camera. I don't know if you have those who
remember that, but I have a So my brother is
by Mount Saint Ell it's okay, and he hunts up
there and everything, and he total non believer, one hundred percent.
He's he's total lbs. Right right before that trip, I
already knew I was coming. Everything, he knew I was coming.
Everything like that, Okay, he starts getting things on his
game camera so and and it totally shifted his perception
of reality because the first thing he got was this light,
which is this, which is the most insane thing game
camera I've ever got, I've ever seen. So he literally
gets that right and they sends me that and he's like, well,
what is this? And I'm like, dude, it's a row
a light, Like what is that? And then he sends
me the other picture I sent you with what I
believe is a sasquatch literally standing in the woods and
you see the shoulder in the head. And the cool
part about all these picks is that I have all
the upfront picks and the back picks, and like all
the series of pictures, So it's not just like the
one buddy shot right, so and then he so now
he's like, Okay, this is like crazy, right so and
and so and so. I I don't know if that's connected,
but I but I think that it might have had
something to do with Why would all of a sudden
he start getting these on his camera when they know
I'm gonna go with him. I was going there to
hunt with him in that area, right, Why would he
all of a sudden start getting these and never has
had him before. Now he's a total like I'm on board.
So he's like, I don't want to have anyone to
know he doesn't want anyone to know who he is
or anything like.
Speaker 2: That's a tricky situation for him for sure.
Speaker 3: Percent. So so I did. I. I just think it's
all linked together. And then in October, so that trip
was I went hunting with them. We didn't have anything
happened when I was with them hunting, but but I
went with him in that area, and then I went
with my other friend that that you know about, and
that's what all that other stuff happened. So, which, yeah,
I mean, it's it's it's crazy man. And so I
just think that certain people can have certain things happen,
whether they know it or not, based off their energy
or frequency or something or something going on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And and you know the photos and the photos that
you've shared, is that something where I could put those
in the YouTube version?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So he so I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I actually I asked him if I could
share those with people, and so and I and I.
That's why I emailed those two you a while back ago.
And if you have those emails, I do, Yeah, you
can post them. That's all good. I have no problem
with that. There's the light picture. And then do you
have the one of the actual sasquatch up front with
the baby Sasquatch in front of it? Did I send
you it's there? I sent you the one with the
energy what I call it energy distortion with the black circle.
So that so that that's super interesting to me because
if you look at that one, that black circle is
behind the tree. So that's not a camera anomoly that
there's no possible way that's a camera Novelly.
Speaker 2: No, definitely not. Yeah, you're talking about the game cam ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So with the with the with the bobcat walking
through it and the black circle behind the tree. So dude,
I'll tell you what, Like, there's something going on there.
And like him and my dad both are like they
send it to me and they're like, what the heck,
And I'm like, dude, that's not an anomaly. It's behind
the tree. Like, so that's the same area where where?
And if I didn't send you the one with the
what I think is the sasquatch and a little one,
I'll resent it to you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's totally really, Uh is the the sas question?
The little one?
Speaker 3: Is it really?
Speaker 2: And it's green?
Speaker 3: Uh, It's it's like it's like it's zoomed in and
there's like a bunch of green and then it's you
can see the gray shoulder and it looks like it
looks like so so if you look at that picture,
you see the shoulder, then you see like the head,
and you see the dark eyes right there right look down,
look down below on the bottom. There's something little there
that looks like a little tidy bass or something all
this so it's like a little baby sasquatch or something else.
I have no clue what it is.
Speaker 2: That's wild. Yeah, no idea that yeah.
Speaker 3: So and so and so, and I have and and
I have all the upfront game camera picks of that,
and I also have game camera picks of that hurry
without that there because he originally sent me the original
one and there was a goat in there and it
was like a white hump in the original one, and
we were trying to figure out what the white hump
was and we're looking at the white hump and I'm
kind of scanning in the background and I'm like, well,
what's that in the background, And he's like, what is that?
And that's where That's where that picture is, and that's
all that's all mount saying Ellen's area.
Speaker 1: That's wild and not surprising. I mean, mouse Saint Helen's
is so so active as a kid, as you know
and and all the all listeners probably know. But I
mean it's just just the game cam stuff is really
cool that I really like the game camp stuff, especially.
Speaker 2: It's got the bobcat and it too. Yeah, well, crazy man.
Speaker 3: And the crazy part to me is like and and
my other friend that you know about when I was
in October, man he has some he has some light
pictures that like some of his rods are light I
don't care what anyone says, Like those are pretty impressive
and they're super good. And as much as people think
some of this stuff's not real, it's one hundred percent
of real. Like it's it's it's not it's not like
the some people have these money shots of what they
say or sasquatch, and but they all all they happens
in the money shot, right, so they don't have any
of you before or after. All These picks happened before
and afters like and it's yeah, it's it's weird, man.
There's something going on with lights. There's something going on
with I honestly believe it's some type of energy distortion.
That's what I think. That Black Mass is something like that.
And whether the end see one. Here's the thing. Some
people say that's portals whatever, right who we'd never really know.
It could be something completely different. Okay, Like when I
talked to that move On guy when I filmed that,
and I'll email you that video that I took. When
I was talking to him, we went down a little
rabbit hole about Mount Saint Helen's and stuff, and he
told me that he's talked to people from Mount Saint
Helen's back in the day like wave and he's been
with moof on like since day one. He was like, man,
I've talked to loggers from Mount Saint Helen's that literally
saw logs of rods of light pick up el and
and disappear with them and the loggers left camp. And
I'm like, so, okay, like what is that? Like are
those are those distortions really Sasquatch or is it something
different going on? And are they all linked together or
or is it really Sasquatch?
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, that's man. That's a guy. That's the
guy that needs to be interviewed. He's never been interviewed.
Speaker 3: Man. He he's so he's been with mouf on since
like day one, and he was he was he was
pretty I'll say this about him. He was very he
was very thorough and he didn't want to he didn't
want it wasn't a lot of small talk, Like it
was literally like he wanted the backs. I mean what
I would try to like kind of just do small talk.
He would totally just like bring it, bring it back
in because he's been with mouf on for so long.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, probably what.
Speaker 1: I'm man, I don't even know when movefon started, so
years that'd be like forty fifty years more.
Speaker 2: Who knows, I have to look it up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's awesome. He didn't want to and he
didn't want to. He didn't want to even engage in
any Sasquatch talk because I I even said, when I
showed him, I showed him this picture. I even said,
man like, is this Sasquatch? And he was just he
just totally didn't even acknowledge that.
Speaker 2: I asked the question, is such a waste that now?
Speaker 3: Is what it is? But in their own and everyone's
in their own right, I think we're all saying the same.
I think it's one big camp.
Speaker 2: Me personally, if if only we could all work together
and compare notes, you know, like, yeah, it's what it is.
So why did you, uh, why did you not ask
for a visual? Why were you You said you were
okay with not having a visual, because I I just
in my.
Speaker 3: Mind it was probably more realistic to get an audio
and a footprint. I just I was kind of I
was kind of just like, Okay, if I'm going to
ask for this, I should ask for something that might
possibly happen. And so and I and I totally was
just like, I'm okay with an audio and a and
a footprint, And to be honest with you now, I'm
I'm actually glad that because I would rather have the
recordings that I have, which you've heard some of those,
and we cast for a footprint. I mean, man, the
footprint we took was fifteen inches. Man, it's crazy, like
the thing the thing literally I don't know if you
see that, but it's literally it's literally fifteen inches. And
so I wanted something more tangible for me that I
can keep in my office like I'm in my office
right now, than just getting getting a glimpse of something
that I already knows real, got it Like for me,
it's for me, it's already real. I don't need like
I know, I'm not a believer. I know they're there.
What they what they are is a totally different conversation.
So I just I wanted something tangible for me selfish reality.
It's just me being selfish because I wanted I want
to be able to have the casting on my wall.
I get it, man, And I know that I've listened
to a million times, right, Yeah, So that's why I
did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wild so man, just this last October.
Speaker 3: So then.
Speaker 2: Where does this where does it put you now? Or
are you are you trying to get out there and have.
Speaker 1: More or you at the point where you're like, wow,
I had this happen and this happened, like okay, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm planning on going back to where I
was at with my friend in October. He's he's and
I don't care what anyone says about him. He's got
real stuff going on there. And I so I'm planning
on going back with him, and probably I want to
spend like a week there because it's man, I honestly
think the whole time we were there, they were there,
like they were there, we were hearing stuff the whole time,
like and so they were literally there the whole time.
And I and it's it's kind of crazy because I
I'm gonna go back and see my brother and I'm
gonna hunt. But I'm not expecting anything to happen when
I'm with my brother because we're carrying long rifles, like
we're trying to kill stuff, right, And I think that
they know that, Like yeah, for some reason, I think
that they can they know that, right, Like because I'm
when I'm with my friend, like I hadn't. I hadn't
been camping with him since we were fighting kids. Like,
so he's actually the little brother of my best friend.
That's how I know him, so and I so I
hadn't been camping with him since we were little kids.
And so it was literally just a camping trip of
us just cutting it up and having a great time.
And he's totally sober, but I was drinking and just
having a good time because it was a vacation for me.
So we were just eating food and hiking around and
and just he was showing me all the spots and
we were checking all his game cameras, and he was
showing me some of the tree bends and stuff that
he has in those areas are insane. So then he
was he took me down into a canyon there, which
some weird stuff happened in there. That was pretty interesting
because we even the night before we went into the canyon,
we were talking about getting fresh fish, and I even said,
and I have this all a recording to it's so
crazy to listen to. I even said, well, baby, we'll
get fresh salmon, because he had brought some salmon to
batter and deep fry for dinner, right, and I was like, well,
maybe we'll get a fresh one and get some more. Then.
I mean, I don't know if you know what happened
on that trip, if you connected with him, and do
you talk about that with you or anything?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's pretty well, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 3: So and and when that happened, I was kind of like,
what was going on? Right, like, so it's so yeah,
and then and then it was and here's the weird
part too, So when on that trip, So on that trip,
I went in knowing they're real. Okay, I went in
with such such different intent than I ever had in
the past because I know they're real now. I brought
equipment with me to try to get an audio. I
brought casting material, I did all that stuff, right, so
I had audio going the whole time. And the crazy
part is this, even when the one incident happened that
that I got the after the chain song. You've heard
that right, yes, So okay, so when that happened, the
way we reacted was interesting. So we we didn't it
wasn't it was just like it was all good, Like
we didn't even like react, like we just we just
kept on do what we were doing and then sat
around the campfire and just kept kept cutting it up
and talking about life and different things. And we knew
they were there, like like the whole time, we knew
they were right there when that happened. They were literally
in the bushes, like right next to us, and it
didn't scare us. It didn't. So I hear things like
when you said you got chased out of or people
get chased out of cabins, and you hear incidents like
what happened with like people like Wes and all these
crazy incidents, and it's like, okay, are they And then
and here's the and here's the part where where I
wonder sometimes do they know if you're a good person
or not? Right? I think like because like like I
feel like they saw us kind of reconnecting after years
of literally having like a family moment, right, and we
both and we know bad attention, like totally just having
a good time. And then it's like then you hear
other times where people are out in their trucks with
guns and maybe they're driving around poaching or they're doing
something they shouldn't be doing, and and they have a
bad experience right or or or just or or I
don't know, man, I just I feel like I feel
like I feel like there's some of them, if not
all of them, can kind of tell you really are yea,
even if you're in a bad situation, they still see
who you are, right, And then I and then I
and then I just wonder sometimes if there's some that
are good, if there are people, there's got to be
some that are bad. If there are any type of
a people and there's a population, there's always going to
be something that's bad. Right. It's just the way our
reality works. So is that where some people go missing?
And and are we on the menu? Right? Like different? Like, yeah,
I hear stories and I'm just like, holy crap, I
hope that never happens to me. Right.
Speaker 2: It's at the point, like you talking about intention, that
I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm at the point where I just don't go out
with anyone anymore. It's not just making sure that the
person is not crazy, right, because you need to check that,
but it's also you need to have a conversation with
them like Okay, why are you doing this? Are you
doing this because you just care about being famous? Or
do you you want to connect? Do you want to
You know that all matters, and that is going to
affect how your experience is as well.
Speaker 3: And I think, and I think with my friend, because
he's he he wants publicity, right, That's that's he's he's
he's on both sides. He he's doing it for himself,
which I respect, but he also is trying to grow
something else, right. So, but but on that trip, for him,
it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow,
because he was connecting with me as well. And so
he even told me, he was like, man, he's like,
you're one of the only people I know that believes me.
And and he and he even said, now I know
you're not crazy because I brought it up to him
years ago and they all thought I was crazy, right,
They're like, oh, he's just crazy. And he's like, dude,
you're not crazy. I'm like, I know I'm not crazy,
Like I know they're real, right, And so it was
more of him. I think it was more of him.
Why we had so much stuff happened was it was
more of him kind of being with someone and having
that feeling of okay, like there's someone else here that
that knows that I'm not full of crap, right, So
it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow.
And I think that had a lot to do with
what we got, the footprint that was left, the the
audios that I got, things like that.
Speaker 1: He's got a good heart. That that gentleman, your friend
has a good heart. He's good, he's.
Speaker 3: Been he's been through a lot, and he's got a
really good heart and he's got he's got good intention
for for other people. Sometimes people get gold gold fever,
right Sasquatch fever is what I call it. Yeah, And
it happens because it's everything's monetized nowadays. It's crazy like
even what you do, it's you make money, like that's reality.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, highercent man, Matt Matthew, you have had
a wild, wild ride.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's cool how you go from just having experiences
and then your mind just opens up. And I I honestly,
I I can't wait to see what happens next for
you because it sounds like you're gonna keep trying to
have out.
Speaker 3: There, but go back and I'm gonna do it. I'm
gonna do it a little different When I go back,
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna be more more. I'm
gonna pay more attention to my audios and things because
there's things that I think I missed because I've never
messed around with trying to set up audio and things like.
I'm not super tech savvy, so I'm going to do
some things a little bit different when I go back.
Speaker 1: Fantastic well Man, we will definitely be I say, let's
keep in touch and we'll have to maybe even check
in with you in the future down the road, get
an update. If that's something that you would be interested in,
you're going you just reach out let me know. But
thank you so much for spending your time today. And
there's a lot to take away from this conversation, and
I just want to say thank you for coming on
the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having a platform to let people
like myself come in here. And I mean, I've liked
the mind speak stuff. I talked to one other person
about that's it. So that's kind of why I came
on is I feel like more people should be more
open to people are scared to talk about it. That's
the reality. I much be talked about Yeah, it needs
to be talked about, but it's hard to talk about
it because people think you're crazy and they label you
and then you get blowback and I get it. So
for anyone who does hear this, here's the thing, talk
to someone about it because it'll help you. That's why
I came on earth to help myself. Because once you
realize these things are real and all this stuff is happening,
you can obsess about it. It can't absorb your life,
like you can spend your hours totally doom scrolling and
watching things. And it's good to and you know that
because you look at what you do, right yeah, so
so so in a way, it's a good therapy to
come out and verbalize it because it'll take some of
that that off your shoulders because there is a lot
of thousands of people like us, and we're not all
hallucinating the same stuff. Like it's real, yeah, it's and
you do have to be careful about your identity and
things like for me, that's that's I'm being careful about
my identity. And you can come on here and wherever
talk to someone about it.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, absolutely absolutely, And that's man,
that's a good. If anyone wants to reach out, they can.
They can send me an email at bigfo societygmail dot
com and I will get back to you as soon
as I can. But Matthew, what an awesome conversation and
we will definitely keep in touch.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: You're doing You're doing some good stuff, So keep it up, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah sounds good. I appreciate you having me on here,
and take care of yourself.
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