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Speaker 1: You're listening to Big the Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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Speaker 2: These are the.

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Speaker 1: Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever.

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Speaker 2: So stay with us.

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Speaker 1: Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his

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fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,

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please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, Big the Society've got the privilege of talking

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to Matthew today. Matthew's got some extremely interesting things that

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have happened over the years out there in the Pacific Northwest,

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and so we're going to be talking about that today.

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This will be one of the episodes. We'll be chatting

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back and forth. I always check uh with the individual

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to see what they would be more comfortable with and

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that came up, So we will definitely be doing that

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and that'll that'll make for a fun time. So Matthew,

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welcome to the show. How are you doing today, sir?

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Speaker 3: I'm good at Thank you everyone.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You want to make sure you know if you're you

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head on over to the YouTube side. If you're not

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over there, you'll see a nice background. Matthew's got some

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plants you. I know, he's got a few fish back there.

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You probably want to see those, but the plants are nice.

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But Matthew, so man, I know we've got a lot

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to go into. But let's start back at the beginning. So,

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was bigfoot a thing where you grew up with it

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or was there an experience that kicked things off for

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you and you're like, wow, what is going on in

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the woods out here?

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Speaker 3: So the So, the first time, first time I ever

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had any type of like recollection of bigfoot sasquatch, what

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do you want to call it, was actually at hunting

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camp when I was like in third grade and that

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that was in this archy unit in Oregon and my

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and I and I totally talked to my brother about

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this recently in October, and I remember my dad and

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my grandfather arguing and my dad saying something about red eyes,

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and my grandfather looking at me and saying, well, grizzly

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bearries have red eyes, and then his wife at the time,

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my dad's wife at the time, looking at us and saying,

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they're just talking about grizzly bears. And then the crazy

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part is this is that trip, we had killed a

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bunch of deer. I didn't, but my family did, and

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we had hung them and bagged him and everything. And

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I remember the middle of the night us turning on

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the lights of our truck on the deer and I

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don't and that's all that I really remember. And then

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I've actually asked my dad about that, and because my

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dad's had stuff happened, and he just he doesn't really

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talk much about it, but he was he was kind

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of like, yeah, we were arguing about that. Now that

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I'm older, we're we're a little more open about it.

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That was like the first time ever that I'd ever

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remember anything. And then it and then it kind of

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and then you know, lfe goes on and you grow,

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and then and then the Packwood Lake incident starts that

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that we're originally that I originally reached out to you

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about and then and then honestly ever since that, like, man,

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not every time, but you hear people say stuff like

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you get tagged or marked or whatever it is. But

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I'll tell you what, man, Like the last like gosh,

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four or five times I've been in the woods, stuff's

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happened in different parts of the world, which which is

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crazy to me. And now and now to the point

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where I'm starting to think that, Okay, maybe it's maybe

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whatever you want to call it, right tagged. I think

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it's more of just like frequencies and energy and things.

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is my personal opinion. And I think that I think

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that they just kind of see that you're more open

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at things, is what it was what I it's what

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I think is really going. But anyway, that's another conversation.

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So yeah, that was that was a long long time ago.

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That's I mean, that was the first time that ever.

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And then the crazy part is this is that my

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whole childhood there was always like we didn't have internet,

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a library like shell with books, right, and and my

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dad always had just books about bigfoot and things like that,

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you know what I mean. Because it was so way

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back in the day, I'd never even heard the term sasquatch.

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And that's something I actually want to talk about with

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the Packwood Lake incident. Oh yeah, because because of the

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stuff that happened. It was so when I was in

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Packwood Lake. Do you want me just to kind of get.

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Speaker 1: Into that before before we do? I just want to

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say Starky Unit, are you saying Starky by Yu Kaya?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I've never heard of you Kaya. I know.

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through Peddleton, go into Oregon and then head up into

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the unit called Starky Unit. And there's a place called

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Fly Creek in that in that area and that was

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an that was an area that that that's when that happened,

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and we used to hunt there every year. Crazy Part

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two is this is that my dad stopped hunting like

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he like he totally like there was like we went

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back like two more times and then that was it.

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was all we that's all we used to do was

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go to honey camp. Like that's how it was rased.

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It's crazy and and he but he won't but he

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won't like really say, that's why you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So, yeah, looking at the map, it is over there,

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it's it's a little east of yu Kaya And then

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I mean, yeah, dude, there I've talked to some other

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people around that area too. There's there's bigfoot stuff that

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happens for for sure.

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Speaker 2: What year was that again?

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Speaker 3: Gosh, that was that must have been that was like

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the gosh, I was how old are you in third grade?

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Speaker 2: He right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: That so that was in the eight early eighties.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so we're similar asias.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm I'll be forty eight this year. So

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that was so that was south So that was probably

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so I was born in seventy eight, So that was

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probably eighty seven, maybe eighty eighty six to eighty eight,

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somewhere in there. Somewhere in there. Whenever you have rold

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you're in third grade. I didn't really figured out the date.

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Speaker 2: That experience did it?

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Speaker 1: Did it affect you pretty intensely or is it you

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mentioned and I know a little bit about there's packwood

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like coming. Is that Is it a later experience that

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really has set things off?

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Speaker 2: Would you say?

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Speaker 3: So? I didn't even sort of be honest with you

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up until up until after Idaho when I kind of

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told you that I had blacked out and everything, which

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we'll talk about, I didn't really even understand anything, like

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I I never really even like it didn't it didn't

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really I was. I just it just wasn't a reality,

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not in a way that I would be able to.

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really going on, and I've had different experiences. No, not

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at all, Like didn't affect me in anyway. Still raising

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the woods, still hunted, still fish did all that stuff,

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and it never I'd never even thought about it. I

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even went like when.

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Speaker 4: I was in middle school, we would go to chief

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Fuluska back in the day, and we would go to

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the as a school function, and he would do like

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the Wild Woman or the Woods Dance and all that

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kind of stuff, and they would take the they would

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take the kids and put them in the basket and

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all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't even really understand then what was really

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going on. Now now I totally understand what's going on

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because I know that they're real and I know there's

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a bunch of crazy stuff going on with them. That's

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not what some people think they are, right. So, no,

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I didn't. I didn't really honestly, kind of it didn't

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come too until later in life when I when I

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was I started like crypto PTSD, when podcasts first started

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in YouTube and things, I ran into like crypto PTSD,

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and then I was like hearing these stories and I

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was like, man, I've had all that stuff happen to me,

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Like holy crap. And I and then I kind of

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like was putting two to two together and I was like,

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holy crap, like this and it was explaining everything that

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had been happening to me. And I didn't really put

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Speaker 1: Older, to be honest with you, Okay, okay, yeah, very interesting.

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to go to on things that you've experienced?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So Packwood Lake. So back in the day Packwood Lake,

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and that was in we would hike into Packwood Lake

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Memorial Day on my buddy's birthday. And the first time

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nineteen ninety three, before we had driver's licenses and we

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were into We just got it to float to being

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we were big fly fishermen back in the day, and

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so we and back then pack with lake like there

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was no one there, like you would hike in. It's

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like a five mile hike. There's a little cabin on

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the fro side of the lake, and then we would

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hike around the backside to where the creek would run

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in that runs off with like the Goat Rocks and

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Johnson Peak and everything right there. And there's a beautiful

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campsite right there where the creek fed end of the

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lake and we would camp there. And so the first time,

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buddy's birthday with his dad. And so I was I

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packed in a float tube and we're talking like old

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school metal frame right like it was, And now that

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was super heavy. But so here's the crazy part. So

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we hike in and this is what happened, and I'm

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just going to dive into it, okay, because I only

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talked with one other person about this incident. I didn't

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talk about this on the last last time I did

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something like this, and I really don't talk about this

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because it's just kind of crazy, right, But then I

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had something else happened later in life and made you

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realize that it's real. So as soon as we hit

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the cabin on pack With Lake, there's a like a

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ranger cabin, I guess or whatever it is, right, I

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don't know if you've ever been there or not. Now

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apparently I guess. There's people all over the place there.

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a break because it's about a five mile hike, and

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then you start to loop around the left side of

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the lake. And so when we started a loop around

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the left side of the lake, my buddies was first,

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my buddy was next, And there's an island in Packwood

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Lak and so and I remember starting putting on my

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backpack and starting to walk around the left side of

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the lake, and I was looking at the island and

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so here's the crazy part. And this is the part

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where I wonder sometimes what it really is because of

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what was what happened something and it was literally a boy.

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when I was looking at the island and I was,

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it kind of caught me off guard and I was like, well,

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my buddy and his dad, so I you know, and

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real life person before one other time later in life.

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with an actual human. So and that's what I was like,

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is this would happened in Packwood, right. So then that

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that trip and here's the crazy part. So that trip

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we hiped in, spent the night. The next morning, I

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woke up and I pumped up my float to got

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the water right, and it was super early, and I

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went on and on. I don't know about now. Back

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in the day, you could only take the trail around

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to where the creek fed into the lake and then

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head up towards Johnson Peak and everything. And we would

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hike Johnson Peak and snow grass Flats every summer in

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August and do that too, come back around. And that's

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another conversation. Never had anything happen up there, only packwood.

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But there wasn't a trail that went around the other

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side of the lake. It was only like up to

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that and then up to the goat rocks. Right. So

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I get in my float to and I'm paddling right

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and I'm going around that side of the lake and

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I'm dragging woollibogers and I'm catching trout. And when I

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reached that side of the lake, a tree I thought

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a tree fell. Now, when I'm older, I understand that

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that's not really a thing. Like in all the years

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I've spent the woods after that, I've never heard or

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seen a tree fall or anything. And it was big.

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and now I think it got pushed over, right, and

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it kind of it kind of scared me a little bit,

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and I remember like having the feeling of like, holy crap,

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that's that's really weird, right, and so I kind of

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started paddling away. And you got these like fins on

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right up, caver did float to you got these things.

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get away. And I tried to head towards the other

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side of the other side of the lake where our

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camp is, and and so, and then all of a

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sudden there was a couple of loons. And now I

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don't think there were louts, so there was. There was

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these loons that kept going back and forth, which I

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thought of the time wore loons making noise, but I

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couldn't there was no loots, right, you couldn't see it.

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So and and now that I'm older, I honestly think

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what was going on because I had another pack with

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lake experience with eleven other people where we saw PRINTZ

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a few years later, so coming coming out of that

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creek bed going into the lake, and I could talk

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about that too, And so now I think what was

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really going on is I think whatever said that to

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me and I'm kind of on the fence of it

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that's really bigfoot, sasquatch, or something else, because to me,

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it seems like every time you hear mind speak, or

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not every time, but a lot of the times, it's

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always in some type of third person. It's not like

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it's like, it didn't say that's where we sleep, right,

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it said that's where the bigfoot sleep. So and it

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didn't use the word sasquatch either, And at the time,

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the only thing that I knew of was bigfoot. I'd

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never even heard the term sasquatch. So that so there's

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some interesting things that happened. Now that I'm older and

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I kind of look at everything because of all the

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other experiences I've had, and I'm kind of like, okay,

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and it's weird to me that it wasn't that's where

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we sleep, or you know what I mean. So I

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wonder sometimes when people talk about mind speaker telepathy of

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is it really them or is it something else? Is

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there something else going on? And that's a totally different conversation.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's such an interesting conversation and too

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so to ask you specifically about Uh So, you heard

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some say that's where the bigfoot sleep on the island.

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Because I've I've experienced this as well, and it's always

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weird to think about. But did you Some people say, well,

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it sounded inside my head. Some people are like, it

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sounded like I heard an actual voice, Like it was

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a voice I had.

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Speaker 3: It was, it was a voice inside my head, and

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it was on the right side of my head, the

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same the same side of my head as when the

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woman when when the when the woman did that? And

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the and the crazy part about the woman is that

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I actually connected with her after the fact, like a

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year later, and she admitted it that she and there

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was a bunch of crazy stuff with that, and and

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she's the only person I've ever met that I would

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say has the ability with telebaty like, oh, so.

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Speaker 2: She admitted to talking to you.

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Speaker 3: It took me. It took me. It took me a

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really long time to get her to to open up

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about it because it was a crazy like it it's

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a crazy scenario. And she's had something happen where she

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knew I was into sasquatch. She knew that I was

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open to things, and she was working for me, and

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she came in in the middle of a morning meeting.

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I used to run a huge sales room and she

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had left and she she was like it almost looked

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like she was strung out when she came in, like

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she was shaken and scared and she had something happen.

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And before that, she had asked me about sasquatch and

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she said, do they speak to you? And I'm like,

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and I didn't know how to respond to that. Now

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I understand why she was saying that, because she has

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all kinds of stuff going on, and she when she left,

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I told her to do whatever she needed to help

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her something. She left, she walked down the hall. I

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came out of my secretary's office and something in my

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head and a woman's voice had helped me. And I

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totally stopped in the hallway and thought I thought I

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was going crazy, Like literally stopped and was like, what

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was going on? I literally thought I was going crazy,

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and I kind of looked back at my secretary. She

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looked at me with this weird look. I didn't say anything.

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I just went back to work. And then like a

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year later and I and she didn't work for me.

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After that, she totally left. And then I reached out

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to her and kind of told her what was going

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on and told her a little bit more in depth

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about my life and things like that. And then and

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then she kind of opened up a little bit and

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and things like that. And that's so yeah. So, I

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mean it's that with these real authority been proven. Uh.

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But so. And that's why sometimes I wonder if it's

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really sasquatch i'd speaking to people, or or if it's

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something else, because I just not at all. But I

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hear a lot of people use it in like a

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third third party right, Like it doesn't seem like a

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lot of them are first person. And it's an interesting

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and the right side of the brand. It's an interesting pattern,

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is all I'm saying. I have no.

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Speaker 2: Clue that really is the one.

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Speaker 1: Let's see the so I experienced that I think I

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just maybe brought up a few times.

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Speaker 2: It was actually before. It's really weird when you think

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about it. Was I was in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: This is a few months ago, was taking a nap

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in a cabin where people get chased out of the

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cabin on this area, like it's very active, and so

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I'm taking a nap, trying to take a nap, and

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it's in, like you're just dozing off, So.

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Speaker 2: You're in that area, yeah right, and I hear something in.

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Speaker 1: My ears say say gotcha? And I was like, oh

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my goodness. Like I got out of that cabin and

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I went back to the other people. And then when

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I got back home, that's when all the cancer stuff

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started kicking off, which is, you know, maybe just a coincidence,

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but it's it's it's weird.

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Speaker 2: So so, how.

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Speaker 1: Did you experienced this this really interesting stuff at Packwood Lake,

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which that area Packwood, Washington is so so incredibly active.

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There's so many accounts that I've alone gotten from that area.

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How did that affect you after that? In that point

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of your life?

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Speaker 3: So it really didn't like I because I didn't understand.

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I just didn't know. I was young. I didn't get

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it right. So it really didn't So so I went

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on with life. So we would do that backpacking trip

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every year with friends and not his dad after that,

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and the group got bigger and bigger and then and

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then basically there was in nineteen ninety five, I wrote

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down some dates here. In nineteen ninety five, eleven of

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us backpacked in there, and when we woke up the

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second morning we woke up. There was a trackway that

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came out of the creek and it went into the lake,

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but it stopped about twenty minutes, about twenty feet from

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the lake, and it just totally disappeared. And the funny

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part was this is and I literally remember looking at

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my buddy and saying, dude, look at those footprints, like

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there's something weird in the middle, because there was like

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this huge archway. Now I understand it was a mid

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tarsl break, and back then I had no clue, and

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they were totally in a straight line too, and all

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these things I hadn't I didn't have any clue, right,

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but I remember these details, and I remember all of

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us like like looking at him and everything. And then

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they were about so Ian. My buddy, Ian is about

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six two six three and he's a brick bason. His

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old family were brickmasons. They built saqways and stuff. And

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he was where it's cerel boots because it had snowed

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and he's got like a size twelve and there were

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they were the footprints were about as big as his

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cerel boots, so barefoot so that so that so like

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if it was a shoe it would be you know,

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size fourteen, size fifteen, whatever it is, right, So they

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were good they were I mean, they weren't huge, they

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weren't like the ones I saw in October, but they

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were good size. And it was it just looked like

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the middle of the foot had like a ridge pushed

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up like in the in the middle and now I

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understand it was what people call mid tarsal break. But

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they just stopped too. That was the weird part. Like

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the driveway totally just stopped, and it was like, well,

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we all were kind of like, well, did it jump

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into the lake like or like what happened to the

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like cause it just totally stopped and it came literally

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out of the the uh the creek bed. And then

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later on the crazy part is later on after that,

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we all woke up and we're all being kids. We're

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all juniors and seniors in high school, right, so we're

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just being juniors and seniors. And where and Ian was

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was in the had we had kind of hyped up

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into the creek a little bit. And Ian was climbing

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up these trees and grabbing the tops and like bringing

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them down and and like falling and catching himself to

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other trees right like, and and it was it was

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actually pretty impressive. But I remember and he was making

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monkey noises because he was kind of just because he

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was acting like a monkey, right And I remember when

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he did that. I remember looking up the creek and

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I just got this feeling of of like something not good,

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Like it wasn't a good feeling. And I had that

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other feeling later on in my life too, and ido

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so and and now now I wonder if there was

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something watching us in the woods, you know what I mean,

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because of that whole feeling and everything. Yeah, back with

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Lake was was kind of crazy. That's what it kind

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of started. But I still didn't It still wasn't like

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a like I wasn't. I was just so young and

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just I had a crazy life. So and I'll talk

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a little bit about that when I get into Idaho

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and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So, so, man, you must have there must have been

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a situation and maybe it comes much later, but there

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must have been a time when it just hit you

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like a ton of bricks and you made all the

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connections about everything in your life.

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Speaker 3: And that was later in life. And that's the great part.

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It is, like even even all the stuff in Idaho,

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and and the stuff that happened when I so, I mean, yeah,

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it all, it all. There was a point where it

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all kind of connected and it was a real eyebudder

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for me. And then and then it was the point

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of Okay, who do I even talk to about this? Right?

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Like podcasts were just getting started. I don't know if

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you've ever heard of crypto PTSD, like YouTube I have

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that was that was like super old school. That was

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like the first YouTube I would watch. Uh, then like

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West started his stuff right and and then and then

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and then it was like just all kind of beginning.

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Is when all that was beginning, is when I started

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hearing these stories and it was all the same stuff

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that happened to me. I mean I've I've ran the

477
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,440
gamut of everything from lights to experience to babies in

478
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,039
the woods like little kids laughing like all that stuff.

479
00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:27,400
I've had everything except for like a frougle literally like

480
00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:31,240
lookie right at me. But I did have the thing

481
00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:33,519
in Idaho that I my first thought was, oh, in

482
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:37,440
the buffalo, right, But there's no buffalo where I was living. Okay,

483
00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:39,960
And now now I realize what I think it was

484
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,480
was one on all fours walking out of my camp

485
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:44,920
and that's what we can talk about that a little

486
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,640
bit or whatever.

487
00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: Wow, So would you say that that Idaho would be

488
00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:53,920
the next the next uh place where you experience things

489
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,400
or where there are other things that happened between Packwood

490
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,400
Lake and Idaho?

491
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: Do you think so?

492
00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 3: So I was raised in like a battleground Yacol area,

493
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,000
like Sunset Falls, Yackol battle ground that I was raising

494
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,960
the right, so we would so are are kind of

495
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:12,119
getting away from just being kids as we would drive

496
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,720
to the mountains and camp and things like that. So

497
00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:17,319
there's an area on the S five thousand rode up

498
00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:20,039
by Sussaun Creek and there's a campground right there. The

499
00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:22,480
next thing that actually happened that I think might have

500
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,119
been something was me and my buddy went up there

501
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,759
and we'd hiked down the creek and we had uh,

502
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,559
we'd spent the night. We were just kind of pitching

503
00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:32,640
rooster tails, and we we hiked down, made a bed

504
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,839
out of ferns. I took a bunch of moss but

505
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,759
ferns on top of it. Spent the night out there,

506
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:40,480
and then in the next morning something was walking around

507
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,160
us in a circle and I remember waking my buddy

508
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,880
up and saying, hey, like, dude, there's something there, right,

509
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,079
And he had really done allergies and stuff, so he

510
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,799
kind of just woke up. He had bootgerots and stuff,

511
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,640
and he he was like kind of looked at me

512
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:55,519
heard it and it was like, oh, it must be

513
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:58,200
a deer, right, and I and I a deer don't

514
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,440
like it was not a deer at all. So that

515
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,759
that's like the only thing that I remember happening between

516
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:09,640
that and Idaho, right, So that that I could say

517
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,920
possibly could have been something. So yeah, and then I

518
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,039
and then I ended up moving to Ketchum, Idaho when

519
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:20,759
I was in nineteen ninety seven and lived there for

520
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:24,119
a while and had just had some really crazy stuff

521
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,680
happened there.

522
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: So so talking about the battle ground area, do you

523
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,319
remember the name of the campground or was that over

524
00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:33,359
in that's in Scamania County.

525
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,559
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that. I don't think that's Kamania County.

526
00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:38,440
So when you drive up, so when you drive through

527
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,359
Yackle and you head up, there's a on the backside

528
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,640
of Yale. So there's on the backside of Yale there

529
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,400
used to be what we would call an ip road

530
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,880
and you could get up on that ip road if

531
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,759
you didn't have a key, and you could go up

532
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:51,960
the top of Susaw Creek and come back down. So

533
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:54,599
on the way up past Cannying Prig, you drive past

534
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,839
Canning Crick and there's a and there's like a campground

535
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,640
you drive down in the canyon creek and then you

536
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,119
keep then it's the S five thousand, And when you

537
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,480
drive up on the S five thousand, there's a bridge

538
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:07,759
and then there's a campground that you pull off and

539
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:09,400
go down and there's not really a name for it.

540
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,039
There might be now back then, back then it was

541
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,200
just a pull off, right, But yeah, the S five

542
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,039
thousand up on the backside of Piacle and Susa and

543
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,920
Creek is I mean, I'd spent so many weekends up there.

544
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:25,039
Speaker 2: Gas just interesting. And what was the what was the

545
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,559
year that you had that happen at the campground?

546
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: So that was when that must have been nineteen ninety six,

547
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:36,160
I think somewhere around there. Yeah, I was still I

548
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,480
was still that was in nineteen ninety six. I was

549
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,440
still in high school then.

550
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, And so you had said that, so then

551
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,920
you moved out to Idaho to catch them, and there

552
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,759
was a lot of activity that was happening out there.

553
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 3: So so I had moved out to ketch them with

554
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,319
a friend of mine and his girlfriend, and we we

555
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,400
knew someone there and so we were just going. We

556
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,160
were young and just kind of, you know, our our

557
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,359
own and stuff until we'd moved there. And so this

558
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,799
is the part I'm going to talk about some things

559
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:07,599
in my past life, and I won't dive into a

560
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,640
lot of it. But so I was living there and

561
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,000
I was I got to a point there where some

562
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:18,440
of my friends and I were running marijuana from battle

563
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,039
Ground and we would run loads of marijuana from there

564
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,359
and to catch them and I would sell it right.

565
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,720
And I got to a point where the roommate that

566
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:28,880
I was living with i'd moved out from my buddy

567
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,680
and he lived with his girlfriend and I got a roommate.

568
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,200
It was it was so much that he wasn't comfortable

569
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,720
with me having it in the house. And I totally

570
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,200
get it. Right now that I'm older, I totally get it.

571
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,160
He was older than me, and so he was like, dude,

572
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,839
this is a felony. You can't be in the house.

573
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,000
And so what I would do is in the summertimes,

574
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,599
I would actually live in the woods, and so I

575
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,000
would I had an old toyleta with a with a

576
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,240
canopy and a safari rack, and I had a woolfiebrid dog,

577
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,519
et cetera, et cetera, and I would I would drive

578
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,359
back to battle ground, pick up loads of weed for

579
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,680
my buddies who would grow it and get it from Canada,

580
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,920
and then back and sell it.

581
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 4: Right.

582
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: And what I would do is I would bury it.

583
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,200
It was all vacuum stealed, so I would bury it

584
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:08,000
in the ground in case someone like a game warden

585
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,160
or whoever, right, they would catch me with it. Right. So,

586
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,880
and I was up in one of my main my

587
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,119
main areas I would camp was Neil Canyon. So if

588
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,599
you drive through catch them and you go up north

589
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,799
and you go up into Neil Canyon and you take

590
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,599
a ride, there's a place up there. And now I

591
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:27,759
think it's a little more developed. It's been years when

592
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,000
I Google mapped it a while ago. So I I

593
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:32,480
before I started running marijuana up there, I was doing

594
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,839
chinking work on a big log cabin right there, and

595
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,000
then had a big horse arena and stuff like that,

596
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,559
and so That's how I knew. On a lunch break,

597
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:41,440
I drove up in the mountains and was checking out

598
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,200
camps one, so so I knew how to get up there, right,

599
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,000
So I was. I was actually and you could stay

600
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:49,119
in a spot for about fourteen days before the rangers

601
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,880
would come in and make you move because you can't

602
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,359
really live there, right, So I had a couple of

603
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,279
locations where I would kind of bounce around and I

604
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,279
was and the whole so the whole time I was there,

605
00:27:58,279 --> 00:27:59,599
And I'm just going to dive into this, and this

606
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,759
is one of the most crazy things that it's ever

607
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:03,880
happened to me. And I'm not proud of the story

608
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,680
because of some of something that I did, but I'm

609
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,559
totally open to talk about it and people can just

610
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:09,279
think whatever they want.

611
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: I really don't care.

612
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,599
Speaker 3: So I when I was in there, I had a

613
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,119
wolf hybrid dog that the whole time I was there,

614
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,400
every single day, it was like these coyotes would try

615
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,319
to call her out during the date during the night.

616
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,400
And where I'm from, there's coyotes everywhere, like they're they're

617
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,599
they're everywhere, and they kill dogs and things like that,

618
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,759
and you can hu them where I'm from, so you

619
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,960
can get like seven seven dollars a pelt back in

620
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,480
the day. Right. So I got to a point where

621
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,839
I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to

622
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,559
kill some of these coyotes and and get them away

623
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,000
from my camp because I felt like they were going

624
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,799
to kill my dog. Right. And so to the right

625
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,000
of that camp ground, there's like a little green clearcun

626
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,079
it's like a little green belt, right, it goes up

627
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,519
into a ridge of like a v with these it's

628
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:58,920
all wooded up above right, and that's where a lot

629
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,079
of those coyotes were all always at, was up in

630
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,319
that woodline right there. And so I and this is

631
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,359
the part that I don't talk a lot about because

632
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,599
people don't like to hear this, but I so what

633
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,960
I did is I had a twenty two log rifle

634
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,640
with a banana clip, and I had a three fifty

635
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,480
seven log barrel Magnum and so I and I've been hunting,

636
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,000
and so I set up shop. So I went in there,

637
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:21,519
I tied my dog up in the middle of the

638
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:24,400
green bell and I literally tied my nog up on

639
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,519
a log. And then I went back about thirty yards

640
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,839
into the woodline, and I set up shop, and I

641
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,279
sat there for for a very long time, and I

642
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:34,640
was waiting for these things to start chiming in and

643
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,960
start coming down towards her, and I was going to

644
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,039
start taking some potshots at him to see if I

645
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,279
could kill one of them or whatever, you know, get

646
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:43,799
them to leave me alone, right right, and so and

647
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:47,799
so what happened was is that after a little while there,

648
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,960
and this is the this is the crazy part. So

649
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,839
and this and I don't talk a lot about this.

650
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,680
So it was like three coyotes coming off the ridge,

651
00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,839
going back and forth. And then as they started working

652
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:04,680
their way down, it changed. It wasn't coyotes. It turned

653
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,319
into it turned into it got really really loud, and

654
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:14,640
then it turned into almost like monkey type sounds. And

655
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,000
then and then as they moved down, it turned it

656
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,319
it almost it's it's just so crazy to say. It

657
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,599
almost turned into like men screaming at each other in

658
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,519
a way. And then and then what happened is it

659
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:29,839
was so loud it was like it was like being

660
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:32,400
at a concert, like it was just you could feel it.

661
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,039
And I actually blacked out. So I actually blacked out,

662
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,880
for I have no clue how long. It felt like

663
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,359
thirty seconds, it could have been. I had no clue, right,

664
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,400
but I remember black. I remember totally like in my

665
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,680
mind saying what the what, like, what this is going on?

666
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:50,279
And then I kind of blacked out, and then I

667
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,400
came back. When I came back too, I remember kind

668
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,559
of looking at the ground and then I looked up

669
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:59,039
and my dog was like literally doing flips try to

670
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:01,559
get off the leash, like just you know, dawns like

671
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,559
they really want to have something. And I kind of

672
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:06,920
and then I realized, like, holy crap, what am I

673
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,759
doing it? So I ran over, got her off the leash,

674
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,799
ran back to my truck, and then drove into town

675
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:15,920
to my buddy's house, and and didn't even really realize

676
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,039
what was going on. And that's the crazy part. So,

677
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:21,920
and here's here's the crazy part. I didn't even I

678
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,119
had no clue what was going on. Now I'm older

679
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,720
and I totally understand what was going on, but I

680
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,000
had no clue what was going on. I drove back

681
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,799
into town, went to my buddy's house. You know, we

682
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:34,440
smoked a little weed whatever, right, and then and then

683
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,240
totally just that people could be like, oh you were high, Doude,

684
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,960
I've smoked so much weed. You don't you don't hallucinate

685
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440
on weed, right, Like, that's not a reality. So so so,

686
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:45,559
and I just went I went about with my life

687
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,920
right like, I'm run of drugs. I'm I'm not even

688
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,319
thinking about anything like this, right, and so so I

689
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,960
go about my normal life. Now. After that, I was

690
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,160
sleeping at a tenth normally. And after that, I started

691
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,839
sleeping in the back of my truck. And as I

692
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,160
was kind of in that same area, there was nights

693
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,400
when my dog would like growl at the at the

694
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,880
back as I leave my tailgate Oakum and she would

695
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,440
literally and then after that she started growling, I started

696
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,880
to lip to my tailgate and closing it all right,

697
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,680
And so now that I'm older, So here's the crazy

698
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,839
part about that. And then I'll talk about because I

699
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,440
moved to another campsite after the certain time I had

700
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,279
to rotate, right, and that's when I thought I saw

701
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,079
a buffalo. But now I realized it wasn't a buffalo.

702
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,039
So that campsite up Neil Canyon right there, and I

703
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,559
believe it's still there. I think they built a couple

704
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:37,440
more houses behind the main house with the orse arenas

705
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,359
and stuff. But I think that camp sign is still there.

706
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:44,680
There was no coyote crap. There was no coyote sign

707
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:49,200
like there was. There was nothing like that going on whatsoever, like,

708
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,079
And when I was at the time, I wasn't really

709
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,880
thinking that. Right now that I'm older, and I hyped

710
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,599
around that whole area so many times and just never

711
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:01,400
ever saw any sign or any thing like that. And

712
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,279
even after that, one time we hiked up on the

713
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,960
other ridge on the other side, because there's a bunch

714
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160
of like in that area, the saw twos right there,

715
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,319
there's a bunch of you like hike up and there's

716
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:14,400
like Steve cliffs and things, right, And I hiked up

717
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,839
to a certain point and there was like this ledge

718
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,759
that I had to kind of climb up, and I

719
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,359
remember grabbing my dog and throwing her up on top

720
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,079
of that to get her up on top. And then

721
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,960
she as soon as I did that, man, she came

722
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,000
off that so fast and ran down to our camp

723
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,039
and went the truck. And I was like, well, and

724
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:35,160
then I got like this feeling of just like like

725
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,799
I couldn't go any further, right, And so I actually

726
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:39,759
thought it was a cat. So there was a bunch

727
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,559
of cougar sightings and problems in that area at the time,

728
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:44,319
and so I thought it was a cat, and so

729
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,359
I actually pulled my firearm out and I had my

730
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,720
three fifty seven and I'm like, holy crap, like there's

731
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,400
a cat here, right, and I'm trying to like get

732
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,759
down the cliff and not get attacked by a cat, right. So,

733
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,160
And the crazy part is I remember and I and

734
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,440
this that's how this this part's happened to me twice

735
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,440
where I remember thinking, Okay, if this thing jumps on me,

736
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,360
it's gonna go for my neck and so and so

737
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,480
I was trying to like get I had my gun

738
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,719
and I'm trying to like get down and keep my

739
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,239
shoulders up in case it pounces on me and opefully

740
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,880
it doesn't get the back of my neck. Yeah, but

741
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,719
I don't think it was a cat. Now that I'm older,

742
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,280
I think it was one of them. And I think

743
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,719
what was happening was there they were watching me the

744
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,639
whole time, is what I think was going on. And

745
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,559
I think one of them was sitting up there or

746
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:33,920
something was up there that gave me that feeling. And

747
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,440
the crazy part is this man. They could have took

748
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,840
my dog the whole time, and they didn't like they

749
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,079
they And at first I thought maybe they were trying

750
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,360
to get my dog, But now when I'm older, it's like,

751
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,960
I don't think they were, because they could have totally

752
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,239
taken her, like they could have taken me. They could

753
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,320
have taken the dog. They could have taken whatever they wanted.

754
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,400
That's the truth, right, So I so I after that,

755
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,039
so I moved. I moved camps like I would rotate.

756
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,960
I had to, like the circuit, I would rotate. And

757
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,719
I there's another camp across across the road that I

758
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,480
would drive to, and if you drive in, you drive

759
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:12,440
in facing north and then you come back down south

760
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,719
into the camp and then it hooks to the west.

761
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,920
And I always had a tent, and so no one

762
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,679
else would set up camp. And I remember about gosh,

763
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:24,840
it was probably a couple of weeks after that other incident,

764
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:28,159
I drove in and as I was driving into my

765
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,559
truck on the backside of my tent at the time,

766
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,199
here's what I'm just going to tell you, the thoughts

767
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,639
that happened in my mind. And then whatever, right, people

768
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:41,599
can think whatever they want. I remember seeing what something

769
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,119
walk out of my camp into the bushes, and I remember,

770
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,360
and I remember my mind saying, oh, look it's buffalo.

771
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,920
And the reason I said that was because it had

772
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,039
there was like huge hump, right, but the butt was

773
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,719
so low that it was like, you know, buffalo, like

774
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,639
their butt looks like it's tooper for low and they

775
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:04,239
have that big hump and and and that's what I saw.

776
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,639
And there was moose everywhere and stuff, and and it

777
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,440
was definitely not a moose and it was definitely not

778
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,840
a bear. And I and I remember saying, oh, look,

779
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,000
it's a buffalo. And it walked into the bushes and

780
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:16,039
I just thought it was a buffalo. But now that

781
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,800
I'm older, there's no buffalo, and catch like that's not

782
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,079
a reality. There's no there's no buffalo there, Like, that's

783
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:25,320
not I honestly think that what I was seeing was

784
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,920
one of them on all fours walking out of my camp.

785
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:29,920
And it was like an it was like a lighter

786
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,920
brownish type color. And I think the hump that I

787
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,000
thought maybe was like the buffalo hub was actually like

788
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,880
the head and the shoulders and it was walking on

789
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,000
all fours of the butt was down lower is what

790
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:45,199
I the glimpse that I caught them. So and that's

791
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,119
like the only time I can say I ever think

792
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:51,880
I might have saw one with my own eyes. Yeah.

793
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: Wow, that that that is wild.

794
00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,199
Speaker 1: I have a few questions just for my clarification. So

795
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,199
first thing is when you have the situation where the

796
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,840
coyotes are coming down and you hear things start to change,

797
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,800
is that then just the ought what you're hearing changes

798
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,320
into other things or were you seeing things that were changing?

799
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,679
Speaker 3: And I didn't see I didn't see anything, so it

800
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,519
was all it was all audio. And it was so

801
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:25,199
crazy because as they worked their way down the bridge,

802
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,719
they were they were going back and forth with each other,

803
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,199
so and they and the audio was changing as.

804
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 5: They were working their way back the down down the

805
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:36,960
ridge right and and it's like and the funny part is,

806
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,800
like I said on the back of the day when

807
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,719
I talked about this with another person, was it was

808
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,239
almost it was And now I don't.

809
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 3: Know if that's real because I don't think they really

810
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,480
wanted my dog, but but I almost like there was

811
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,960
a point where I said, it was almost like they

812
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,760
were saying, no, you get the dog, No, you get

813
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,679
the dog, You get the dog because they were going

814
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,519
back and forth. But now now I'm like, well, they

815
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:59,079
could have just got the dog whatever they wanted, like

816
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:00,719
they could have taken or a night, they could have

817
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,800
taken her in the day, because she would I mean,

818
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,639
she was a wolf hybrid. She would disappear like just

819
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:09,519
go crazy, like she was a crazy dog. Yeah, but

820
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,400
she always came back. So they never took her. They

821
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,639
never So that's kind of where now I'm to the

822
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:16,559
point where I don't think they really wanted the dog.

823
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,159
I think they were just kind of watching us, you

824
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,480
know what I mean, what was going on you and your.

825
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:28,039
Speaker 2: Would you say you're in your twenties at that time or.

826
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,039
Speaker 3: Percent I'm in my early twenties. I actually turned twenty.

827
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:35,280
I turned twenty one in Whiskey Jackson Catch Them Yeah nice, Okay,

828
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,880
so yeah I was. I was twenty twenty two, I

829
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,800
think twenty two going on twenty three.

830
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: As I'm man, I'm trying to think of how to

831
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,519
word a question.

832
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm going to ask it.

833
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, I sometimes I ask questions for my listeners.

834
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,559
Speaker 2: So would you say.

835
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:16,119
Speaker 1: So the times that you had these experiences, would you

836
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,519
say and this might be hard to remember as well.

837
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:25,199
Were you uh sober during these times or was do

838
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,119
you get you get what I'm trying to say, very

839
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:28,719
change early.

840
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So a lot.

841
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:32,079
Speaker 3: Of times people think because I was running marijuana, I

842
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:33,719
was high all the time, right, And it's totally a

843
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,159
legit question. No, I was sober. So that's that's the

844
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:41,079
crazy part. So so almost so all of the experiences,

845
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:44,639
I would say ninety nine percent of my experiences one

846
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:47,800
hundred percent sober. And most of my experiences I'm actually

847
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,920
with other people, so it's not it's not just me.

848
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,559
So and that's actually a legit question. I appreciate you

849
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:56,960
asking that because there's people out there that that don't

850
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,400
really understand marijuana and how it works. Right, they think, oh,

851
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,239
this guy's a you know, he's running drugs, he's high,

852
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,599
like he's totally high. No, not at all. So so yeah, No,

853
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:09,840
I was sober when all this was happening, actually.

854
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: Which was crazy interesting. Yeah yeah.

855
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,679
Speaker 3: And then and then so what happened was is that?

856
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:18,320
And then here So here's the part that kind of

857
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,880
links into the idea of the thing. So I actually

858
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,679
moved back to uh battleground in that area, right, I

859
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,000
actually moved originally I moved back to Kalama originally and

860
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,480
then I ended up in in uh Yackle farber Lake area,

861
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,679
stuff like that. Right, So when I first moved back,

862
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,960
I was just in transition, so I was, I was

863
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:39,400
staying at a buddy's house. I would sleep in the

864
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,199
back of my truck until I found my own house,

865
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:44,360
things like that. So I was having a reoccurring dreams

866
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,320
after that. And the crazy part about these reoccurring dreams

867
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,800
is that so here, I'm gonna tell you the dream. Okay, So,

868
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,199
and this is something I haven't really talked a lot about.

869
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,360
So I had this reoccurring dream for about two months

870
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,199
after that whole idea of incident where I was, I've

871
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,719
been through a clear cut with my dog in my

872
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,159
trunk and there was three what I thought at the

873
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,920
time when I would have this dream was three grizzly

874
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,480
bears standing on their hind legs watching me drive through

875
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:14,599
the cut. So, and I had this dream probably twenty times,

876
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,320
so many times. And now that I'm older that I'm

877
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,360
way more in depth with this whole topic, whatever it is,

878
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,159
I understand that what I what I think was happening

879
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:29,119
was it was a residual from whatever happened that when

880
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,320
I blacked out because of the three it was the

881
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,800
same three bears every time, same clear cut, same dream,

882
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:40,000
every single time. And they were the same color as

883
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,199
the thing that walked out of my camp. And they

884
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,280
were standing on their hind legs as I'm driving through

885
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,880
this cut, watching me in this dream, and I and

886
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,360
I totally think it's all connected it and it sounds

887
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,199
so it sounds so crazy to even say it out loud,

888
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,719
but but there's something else going on with these things,

889
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,400
Like it's not it's not what people think.

890
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, man, I I think it's not

891
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:09,480
crazy because I hear so many and my own experience

892
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,400
as well is when you get in these areas where

893
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,239
you have an experience, sometimes it makes your dreams go

894
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,679
crazy like and just like it just becomes extremely vivid

895
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,840
and it's just like when when when?

896
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:22,519
Speaker 3: When? When? When when?

897
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: Because that happened to me as well first time in Oregon.

898
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,079
Speaker 1: It was just like it took over my It just

899
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:32,159
takes over, you know, when when you're dreaming and it

900
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,000
just keeps hitting you over and over and over again.

901
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: It's just wild.

902
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:36,199
Speaker 3: Man.

903
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,199
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm totally with you, you know, and I

904
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,480
hear other people say stuff like that too. I mean,

905
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,800
I don't know why it happens, but it's like we

906
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,239
get that connection and then it just kicks. It's like

907
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,639
every time you hear someone's story, you can be like, Okay,

908
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:54,760
they're going to start to have wild dreams and then crazy, right,

909
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,800
you're going to maybe have pelepathy.

910
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,199
Speaker 3: Right, it's crazy. Yeah, and the crazy part too, like,

911
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,480
and you talk to way more people than than than

912
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,280
me obviously, right. But and so there's patterns that I'm noticing.

913
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,119
I listen to every Sass Squatch podcast you can imagine, right, right, So,

914
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,440
and I've noticed my own patterns that I hear from

915
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:19,039
thousands of other people that I'm just like, holy crap,

916
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:21,920
like this stuff, there's something going on. So it's crazy

917
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,360
to me. What's crazy to me is when I hear

918
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,480
people saying, oh, it's just some type of ape, That

919
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,880
to me is crazy because if it was literally an ape,

920
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,559
none of this stuff would be happening. Like, there's so

921
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:36,280
many differences with it that I'm like, if it isn't eight,

922
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,599
it's got telepathy, it's got all kinds of different abilities

923
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:42,559
that apes don't have. And that's why I'm like, Okay,

924
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,559
it's I don't think it's that right.

925
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:50,159
Speaker 1: So, and just to clarify, there's some people that might

926
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,679
be thinking. So when we say that's crazy, we're not

927
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,920
saying that the people are crazy. We're saying, what that's wild, Like,

928
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,599
it's just so that's what we're kind to stay here. Yeah, absolutely,

929
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,159
so man, how that must have eff started to affect

930
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,119
you wild after or create?

931
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:08,639
Speaker 4: Then?

932
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:12,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what happened? So here's what happened. And this

933
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:17,000
is the part where I honestly believe that people either

934
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:20,679
have a frequency or they somehow get marked or something.

935
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,440
Because after that, so I moved. I had a house

936
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:27,719
in Farger Lake. My buddy had a house up Sunset

937
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,159
Falls Road on ride Hool Creek, and we were growing

938
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,280
marijuana up by Sunset Falls, up by Yacoult Mountain, that

939
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,679
whole area up and there. So we would put out

940
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,880
a couple thousand plants every summer and work them in

941
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,320
different areas. And we do like fifty two hundred plants

942
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,480
in different areas and spread them out so we wouldn't

943
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:48,159
lose a whole crop, right, because all people steal on stuff,

944
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:51,400
cops everything you could maloggers everything you can imagine, right,

945
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,199
and that area, I'll tell you what. And that's the

946
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,159
same area where like West had his stuff happened and

947
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,719
things like that. I'll tell you what. There's some crazy

948
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,920
stuff going on up there. We we heard. We had

949
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,320
so much crazy stuff happen up there. There was uh,

950
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,400
I mean babies crying, and so we would work in

951
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,840
the middle of the night, so we would go in,

952
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,360
so we would we would prep everything during the day.

953
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,719
We had ATVs. We would take in and we made

954
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:19,119
trails and you couldn't see. We'd get in there because

955
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,039
it's all warehouse, their property, right, it's all in there.

956
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,599
So we would we would put stuff in in the day,

957
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:27,199
but then we would maintain stuff at night. So we

958
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,760
were all and we try to get out of there

959
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,239
before the loggers would come in, because the loggers get up.

960
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,960
They get in there like three forty five four in

961
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,519
the morning, right, So we would always go in from

962
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:38,920
like ten thirty eleven ish a night till that time

963
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,000
when the loggers would come in and try to take

964
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:43,239
care of our plants and then leave. Man, we had

965
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,719
so much crazy stuff. Like the first thing that happened

966
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,800
up there, was when we were prepping one of the springs.

967
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,119
We were prepping for a summer crop, and we were

968
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,960
moving material and during the day we would take fencing

969
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:56,320
and stuff like that and during the day without plants

970
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,119
or anything, because if you got cou of fencing, you

971
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,800
don't go to jail, right, maybe trust passing that that's it.

972
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,400
So one of the times me and my buddy were

973
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,519
and the and these guys that I've worked with, we

974
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,360
grew up from kids like, you know, little first grade,

975
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,280
Like they're brothers. Right. So we we had came out

976
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,679
of this area and we were stopping and taking a

977
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,079
rest on our ATVs and down that road we came

978
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:20,280
from where a bunch of stuff happened. Later, dude, it

979
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,880
sounded like little kids laughing and playing. It was. It

980
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:26,360
was so crazy. And I literally looked at him and

981
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,559
I was like, you heard that right, And he was

982
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:30,039
like he kind of looked at me, and I'm like,

983
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,599
you heard that right, And he was like, is that

984
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,239
a ghost? Like we're those ghosts? And I'm like, dude,

985
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:37,960
I'm like, there's no ghosts in the middle of the woods,

986
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:40,880
Like those are little kids. And he was like, well,

987
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,280
he was like yeah, they're little kids. He's like, yeah,

988
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,239
I heard the little kids. And I'm like, what was that.

989
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,800
He's like, sounded like little kids, and I'm like, dude,

990
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,360
there's no Like we were just in there, there's no

991
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:54,679
little kids running around. There's there's no kids running around

992
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,920
out there, right, And so he was like it must

993
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,280
be ghosts. And I'm like whatever, right, and so we

994
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,199
so you leave right, So, and that whole area was

995
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,840
just insane. Man. One of the nights we were in there,

996
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,039
so we would drive in and some of the spots

997
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,440
we would put on along creeks because the taproots would

998
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,880
get down under the water table and we have to

999
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,079
water them less, right, And some of the spots we

1000
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,679
had to take water in. So one of the spots

1001
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,400
we had to take water in there was like a

1002
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,480
little colvert that we would stop and fill up our

1003
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,519
jugs and we had tots on our ATDs, right, so

1004
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:29,360
we had utility ATVs and man, I'll never forget this

1005
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:32,519
is so crazy. So there was like this little pulvert

1006
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:36,159
with like probably a six sent of quick round like

1007
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:38,440
the water would puddle up, right, so we'd fill for

1008
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:40,880
drugs and we had ATV helmets on and this is

1009
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,320
the time when I thought maybe a cat the same thing.

1010
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,840
So this happened. This happened here. So we go in

1011
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:50,039
and I'm in the front, my buddy's behind me, and

1012
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,079
we're filling up our jugs. And as we're filling up

1013
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,480
our jugs, and baby starts crying, and it's literally it's

1014
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:59,400
literally probably thirty yards maybe a little less, right up

1015
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,719
above us in the cut. And I look up at

1016
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,320
him and he's his eyes are like this big right,

1017
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,840
and I'm just like, holy crap. And he's the type

1018
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,719
of guy when we grew up where if anything crazy happened,

1019
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,840
he just run right. And I knew it. And I

1020
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,519
looked at him and I said, man, do not leave

1021
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,119
me here. I literally I looked at him. I said,

1022
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,679
do not leave me here. So and then I looked

1023
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,639
back up at the baby and he was gone, like

1024
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,199
he told me totally. I looked back he was already

1025
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,039
plowing through the trail back to the ATVs, was already

1026
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,960
on his ATV. It was already like down the road.

1027
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,840
And so I'm like, try to get out of there

1028
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,639
and get my jugs and everything. And I had my

1029
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,039
ATV helmet on, and I remember thinking, man was that

1030
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:41,159
a cap, Like what was that? And I remember thinking,

1031
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,639
it's gonna go for my neck, right, and so and

1032
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,440
I remember and I totally remember in my mind saying, man,

1033
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,800
I'm so glad I got my ATV helmet on. Hopefully

1034
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,159
it goes for my neck. It's not gonna be able

1035
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:54,239
to get it because my helmet, I can like head

1036
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,639
butt back and I try to, like I was having

1037
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:58,960
those thoughts, and then I got on my ATV and

1038
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,679
just was trying to catch up with him, right. But

1039
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:04,280
and dude, it was a baby like. It was not

1040
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,159
a cat. I've heard cats, like I've spent the time,

1041
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,199
I've listened to every recording you can imagine from cats,

1042
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,639
and it was nothing like that. It was literally a

1043
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,599
baby and it was so crazy. And now that I'm older, man,

1044
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,679
I'm super happy we didn't go see what it was

1045
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,920
because I hear some stories out of that area that

1046
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:30,000
are just like not good and and I just yeah,

1047
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:33,199
so that happened. That's also an area we saw we

1048
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,639
saw first time I ever saw lights was in that area.

1049
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:39,079
So we actually so after that, we were working this

1050
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:44,639
one area and we we would we would leave and

1051
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,679
then head back up the ridge and we would always

1052
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,320
stop on the top before what I called it the

1053
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,760
bat trails or these ATV trails we had kind of

1054
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,519
hidden to get back down to his house, right, And

1055
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:56,559
so before we go in there, we would always just

1056
00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:58,440
kind of make sure no one was watching us or

1057
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,239
or whatever, right, because you never know, right. Like it's

1058
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,360
so we we were sitting on top of the ridge

1059
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,960
and this is so crazy, and I and I we

1060
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,960
were sitting there and it looked it literally looked like

1061
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:15,119
a motorcycle light and it was round, and it was

1062
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,599
going down the road and it was kind of it

1063
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:20,679
was kind of jiggling like this, right, and it was

1064
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,119
and it was totally just ripping down the road. And

1065
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:25,280
I looked at my buddy and I'm like, dude, there's

1066
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,719
someone on a motorcycle there. They're headed towards our crop.

1067
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,559
And he was like, what the someone is someone gonna

1068
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:33,880
rob us? Like we thought someone was gonna rob us, right,

1069
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,679
But then as we sat and watched it, there was

1070
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,119
no noise or any There was no noise. There was

1071
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,400
absolutely nothing. And it was it was probably i don't know,

1072
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,280
three hundred, three hundred yards away maybe right, and there

1073
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,800
was no noise, there was nothing. It was literally just

1074
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,320
a light that looked like about the size of a

1075
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:55,639
of an old school motorcycle headlight, right jiggling down the road,

1076
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,039
and then it just disappeared. And so and I looked

1077
00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:59,760
at up and I'm like, dude, they just totally pulled

1078
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,239
off and stash their bike. Let's go down there, right,

1079
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:06,880
and so and we're and we're young, right, we're bulletproof, right,

1080
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,599
So we think people are raminous, So let's go down

1081
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:11,800
there and confront them, which is, now that I'm older,

1082
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,320
is the dubbest thing we could have ever done, right,

1083
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,360
because now I'm older, I realized people do crazy things

1084
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,760
over over marijuana and different things. Right, So we we

1085
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,280
drive down there, right, We go down there. There's no tracks,

1086
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,920
there's nothing, literally, and then I'm like, well, what the

1087
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,880
why didn't we hear it? And he was like, they

1088
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,440
must have had silencers. That incident actually got us to

1089
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:38,599
start looking into silencers for ATVs, because they make silencers

1090
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,119
so that you could put on ATVs to lower the

1091
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:43,519
decibels so you don't hear them, right, because we thought

1092
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:45,880
we thought it was someone with a silencer on an

1093
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,360
old school motorcycle. Now that I'm older, not at all

1094
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,039
now that I'm older, it's it's what I it's what

1095
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:56,519
I think people myself included c which whether they're warbs

1096
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,599
or lights or people. I've heard indigenous people talk about

1097
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:04,400
Sasquatch travels through through these rods of light and orbs

1098
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,679
and things. And I mean, I have pictures that I

1099
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,519
think I sent you some that my brother God, who's

1100
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,719
a cop I'm Mount Saint Helen's that It's like I

1101
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,679
have some of them right here that are insane and

1102
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,159
so and so that's now, now that I'm older, I

1103
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,960
think that's what that was. Was something, whether it's them

1104
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:26,280
or something, it's just the phenomenon's weird. How you get

1105
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,360
these light experiences right, and you hear it on a

1106
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,679
regular basis, so they're either attached or there's something going on.

1107
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:35,719
But then I saw lights here on my property where

1108
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,239
I lived. One light and it's so I this was

1109
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,519
years later, and this was why I was here, Like

1110
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:46,039
we're talking twenty plus whos later. I peowed overman. So

1111
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:49,280
I I need them and I keep them separate, and

1112
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,119
they when when I feed them, and the smaller one

1113
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,239
I was, I open my garage and feed them. But

1114
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,000
I have a mesquite tree on the back side of

1115
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:57,639
my property, and I'm just kind of hanging out and

1116
00:52:57,679 --> 00:52:59,800
I'm I'm waiting for them to get done, and I

1117
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:03,639
my smaller one gets in front of me and just hackles,

1118
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,360
like full on hackle, right, and so I'm kind of like,

1119
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,039
what's going on? Right? And then I look up in

1120
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,559
the myski tree and I first I thought it was

1121
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:13,679
a firefly, but I'm like, oh, look at that, And

1122
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,920
there's this light in the meskite tree and it's about

1123
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,000
the size of a golf ball and it's kind of

1124
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:21,039
moving through the meskite tree and my dog is just

1125
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:26,239
like full like full board, just like hackles like in

1126
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,199
front of me, and I kind of start to walk

1127
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,719
over to it, and she like stops me, and it's

1128
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,199
like in front of me and like not letting me

1129
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,480
go over there, and then it just disappears. It totally

1130
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:40,360
just disappeared. And there's where I live, there's no firefights, like,

1131
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,199
they don't exist where I live. So and my first

1132
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,639
thought though, was like firefly, right, Like I was thinking, Oh,

1133
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,679
there must be some kind of insight here that that's

1134
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,960
doing that, but then there's no that doesn't they don't

1135
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,559
exist where I live. It's not a real thing. So

1136
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,960
that's that's the two that the two times I've seen

1137
00:53:57,079 --> 00:53:58,079
lights with my own eyes.

1138
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, lights are man, lights are weird. I don't get

1139
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,719
them yet, and I've only I've experienced them two times.

1140
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:12,559
One was daring an interview in my office and I

1141
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,199
looked across the room and there was an amber colored

1142
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:18,679
orb the size of a marble around.

1143
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,679
Speaker 3: In your office. So, man, when we're done here, I'll

1144
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,760
send you a picture. In my house and my wife

1145
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,360
took there's an orb in ur by next door a

1146
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,760
Christmas tree. And one Christmas she's taking a picture of

1147
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,920
the Christmas tree and she said it to me and

1148
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,000
I'm like, do you see that? And she's like, what

1149
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:34,880
are you talking about? And I'm like, take that same

1150
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,079
picture like ten times immediately. And I didn't tell her

1151
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:38,920
why she and I had said it to me, and

1152
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,199
she said it to me and it was gone. But

1153
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,159
in the first picture she took, there's literally like a

1154
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,599
blackish colored, grayish black orb in my living room next

1155
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:50,000
to the Christmas tree and you can see it. It's

1156
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,280
so crazy. So and what those are, I have no

1157
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,280
clue those are what they say they are. I just

1158
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,519
think it's kind of weird how how they're attached. And

1159
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:03,440
then you hear like indigenous impersonations people talk about that's

1160
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:07,719
how they travel and whatever. I mean, whether it's dimensions

1161
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,440
or portals or whatever, it is.

1162
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: Right, it's I think it's enough hearing all of the

1163
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:19,719
accounts with orbs and and how it happens around Bigfoot

1164
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,639
sightings and on all that, it's enough to It's just

1165
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,239
one of the things that you know, make me think like, Okay,

1166
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,679
all bets are off, Like how can you hear stuff

1167
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,960
like that or see stuff like that yourself and be like,

1168
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,880
oh no, there's no weird stuff in Bigfoot, dude, there's

1169
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:35,960
weird stuff in Bigfoot.

1170
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 3: Like there's weird stuff in Bigfoot. In that's and and

1171
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,360
most and mostly the people that say that generally let's

1172
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,800
keep it real are generally mainstream type scientists that don't

1173
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,679
want to really right, they didn't want to hurt their reputation,

1174
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,440
and they're actually they're actually they're not they're not doing

1175
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,039
anyone a favor because a they're not they're not being

1176
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,760
good scientist because they're not taking all the evidence and

1177
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,480
actually actually like looking at it. They're picking and choosing

1178
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:01,800
which is not good. But yeah, but that also makes

1179
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,039
me wonder sometimes back to like the telepathy mind speak

1180
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,000
was the way that that was said to me, A

1181
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:09,559
pack with lake was third it was third person like

1182
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,920
it wasn't. And it makes me wonder if if some

1183
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:16,159
of the mind speak, maybe some of it is bigfoot sasquash,

1184
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:18,719
but if some of it is something else, like if

1185
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,639
there's something. I just think our reality is way more

1186
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,119
robust than what we've been taught. Oh, it totally is,

1187
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,400
and like, I think there's way more going on. I mean,

1188
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,840
I have a move on report that the video I

1189
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,440
took in my house that is absolutely insane and I

1190
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:36,039
decided to move on and the guy was like, holy crap,

1191
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,000
and I'm like yeah, like I literally filled it on

1192
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:41,760
my porch, like it's crazy. So yeah, I can send

1193
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,719
you that too. You can look at that. So yeah.

1194
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,079
So and then and then I just I think that people, Honestly,

1195
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:51,320
my personal opinion is I think people it's either frequency.

1196
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,639
I think that people either have a different energy or

1197
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,360
frequency where whatever these things are can either sense it

1198
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,800
or maybe they really some of them are telepathic, like

1199
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,840
and if they are people, like let's say there are people,

1200
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,559
right let's say they're just whatever. There are people, right,

1201
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:10,599
there's I know for a fact that there's people that

1202
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:12,719
have telepathy because of what happened me with that woman.

1203
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,599
I know for a fact that's real. Okay, I don't

1204
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,199
care what anyone says. It happened. That's already been proven.

1205
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:20,320
So if there are people, do some of them have

1206
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,719
that ability and some of them don't? Right, Like, isn't

1207
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,519
something similar like that or or whatever whatever it is?

1208
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,559
But yeah, and then it's like and it's like, every

1209
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:33,079
time I've been in the woods after that, I've had

1210
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:36,320
crazy stuff happen. Like I rented a house out in

1211
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,159
miles of meat lead in in Luadalhara, out the way

1212
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:41,719
out in the middle of nowhere. I rented this huge

1213
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,559
house and out there's pine forest. People don't realize that

1214
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:46,800
there's pine forests out there, and it's just like the

1215
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,719
pined forests where we're from in Oregon to Washington. Right.

1216
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:51,639
So I rent this house out there to get my

1217
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:54,280
wood fixed. I take my family out there, and this

1218
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,599
house is literally out of the middle of nowhere. And

1219
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,400
I go out there, and I go out there with intent.

1220
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:01,079
So w and I'm going to talk a little bit

1221
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:03,920
about intent, because that's what happened in October too, was

1222
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:08,760
I went there with stuff to actually record audio with stuff,

1223
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,679
and I was actually looking for something to happen and

1224
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,639
asking for it in my mind, saying, show me, show me,

1225
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:15,119
show me.

1226
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 4: Right.

1227
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,519
Speaker 3: So we woke up and after we woke up, so

1228
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:22,280
we slept on the second story, and there was these skylights, right,

1229
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:24,679
and it was raining a bunch and things like that.

1230
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,159
And the first night there was nothing on the skylights.

1231
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,880
And was second night we woke up, this was on

1232
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,559
the skylight.

1233
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: No way, Oh my goodness, wow.

1234
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:37,719
Speaker 3: And I couldn't and here's the crazy part. I couldn't

1235
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,159
get up to the skylight to measure it because it

1236
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:43,159
was it was like a vaulted ceiling. But this thing

1237
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,079
was like three times bigger than my hand. And I

1238
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:48,280
don't care what anyone says to me. That looks like

1239
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,800
some type of handprint.

1240
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,159
Speaker 2: That smoked totally. Yeah, man.

1241
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: That's that's when my wife started to realize that I

1242
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:56,440
wasn't crazy.

1243
00:58:57,239 --> 00:59:01,039
Speaker 2: Absolutely was it? Did you eventually have to clean that off?

1244
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,719
Speaker 3: So it was an airbnb that I rented, and it

1245
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,840
was on the outside of the skylight, so it had something.

1246
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:08,800
It was on the out side of the skylight, so

1247
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,760
I couldn't even get up there without a ladder or anything.

1248
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,599
So and the crazy part is this, so that handprint,

1249
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:17,360
which I think is a hamprint, that stayed there the

1250
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,159
whole week we were there, and it rained so hard

1251
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:22,440
it was almost like it have like an oil or

1252
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:25,360
something on it that the rain wasn't washing it away.

1253
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,840
And then after that the rain let off. So about

1254
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,960
three days later the rain let up and we went

1255
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,400
on a hike and me and my wife and my

1256
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:33,559
daughter walked down the road. It just kind of went

1257
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:35,079
on a hike in the woods on the road, didn't

1258
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:36,559
really go in the woods, but on the road. Right.

1259
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:40,519
We walked down this road and on the way there's

1260
00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:42,800
nothing on the road, and all the way back and

1261
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,760
my daughter at the time it is like four, I

1262
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,400
think she was four, and so on the way back,

1263
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,320
in the middle of the road, there was a gave

1264
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:53,719
grub that was about this big, like the thing was

1265
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,400
literally about three It was the biggest a gave grub

1266
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,280
I've ever seen in my life. And it was literally

1267
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,199
in the middle of the road. And it's like, okay, why,

1268
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,559
And I stopped and I was kind of like, what

1269
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:07,960
the what, Like, where did this? The thing didn't crawl there?

1270
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,920
And those things don't move that fast, Like, there's no

1271
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,679
way that then crawled from when we walked out and

1272
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,719
came back. There's no way. There's no way it crawled

1273
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,679
out of an agave plant and moved into the middle

1274
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:21,920
of the road. And then and then and then so

1275
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:24,719
here's why. And I always when I have things happen,

1276
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,519
I always go to what it might be, just in

1277
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,119
normal type thinking. Right, so I'm thinking deductive reasoning, and

1278
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:34,119
I'm like, Okay, well, a bird must have dropped it

1279
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,159
or something, right, I've tried to think of what would

1280
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,559
put that there, and I'm thinking maybe an animal, maybe

1281
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,159
a bird. But it's like if a bird dropped it,

1282
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:43,719
don't you think could circle back around and pick it

1283
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,119
back up? Or like if a fox or a coyote, Like,

1284
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:48,800
don't you think they'd like pick that back up? Like

1285
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,159
and because they they want to eat it? Right, So

1286
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,119
and so that so that happened, and then and then

1287
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:57,440
I didn't go into the woods for for years, just

1288
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,639
because I was working my career that I had, I

1289
01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:01,840
was a wor alcoholic and all that kind of stuff.

1290
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,079
And and then and then and then I and then

1291
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:08,440
I geared up for October. I mean, that's and that's

1292
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,440
what happened in October with what happened with my friend

1293
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:14,760
that you know, and things like that. And that was

1294
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,239
an interesting That was an interesting trip because I went

1295
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,559
in there with equipment, asking for certain bangs. And here's

1296
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:24,159
the crazy part. I got everything I asked for. And

1297
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,199
I even said, I don't even care about a visual.

1298
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,800
I want audio and I want a footprint. And I

1299
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,800
was saying that in my head and then I said

1300
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,119
it out loud when I was there, and I got

1301
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:37,199
all that I gotta. I got a so which to

1302
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,360
me and that that So this last October is when

1303
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,039
I kind of and I was telling him, and you

1304
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,760
know who I'm talking about, but I was telling him, dude,

1305
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,840
I think there's way more going on than what people think,

1306
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,239
like there, because there's stuff that happened on that trip

1307
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,960
that I was literally asking for and it happened so

1308
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:57,039
and and and so I just I think there's way

1309
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,280
more going on than what people think.

1310
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:05,639
Speaker 1: So, Matthew, I'm curious, when did you so you're you're

1311
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,199
asking for specific things, did you start asking for those things?

1312
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,480
Like when you got to the area or was it

1313
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,320
a thing where you're like ahead of time.

1314
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 3: So before because I hadn't been in the woods in

1315
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,840
a really long time. So before that trip, I was

1316
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,760
actually working out every day. I was meditating every day.

1317
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,159
I was asking for that stuff in my brain while

1318
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,760
I was working out and meditating, and I was literally saying,

1319
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,119
I would love some audio, and I would love the

1320
01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:34,760
footprint and I and I would just repeat it, I

1321
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,679
would love some audio, and I would love the footprint.

1322
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,559
I don't care about a visual like and I would

1323
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:41,880
just say, and I got that, Like I literally got

1324
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:45,559
I got that. I had the audio. I have audios.

1325
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:48,599
I still have the audios. You've heard the audios. So

1326
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,599
I recorded those, and then I got the footprint. We

1327
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:53,760
took a cast of and I have more audios. I

1328
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,480
just haven't had the time to clean up the tape.

1329
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,440
I'm not like two days worth of audio. And so

1330
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:01,079
I so that's where I'm kind of like, okay, like

1331
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:04,000
I think there might be I think intent might have

1332
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:06,039
something to do with it. If if you're a person

1333
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:08,880
that has the writing energy or frequency and the crazy

1334
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,239
and here's, here's and here's and now that we're totally

1335
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,679
talking about it. Here's the crazy stuff too. So I

1336
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,559
sent you some pictures that my brother got on his

1337
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:18,159
game camera. I don't know if you have those who

1338
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:21,800
remember that, but I have a So my brother is

1339
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,719
by Mount Saint Ell it's okay, and he hunts up

1340
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,800
there and everything, and he total non believer, one hundred percent.

1341
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,199
He's he's total lbs. Right right before that trip, I

1342
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,039
already knew I was coming. Everything, he knew I was coming.

1343
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:38,199
Everything like that, Okay, he starts getting things on his

1344
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,320
game camera so and and it totally shifted his perception

1345
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,920
of reality because the first thing he got was this light,

1346
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:49,360
which is this, which is the most insane thing game

1347
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,480
camera I've ever got, I've ever seen. So he literally

1348
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:56,360
gets that right and they sends me that and he's like, well,

1349
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,400
what is this? And I'm like, dude, it's a row

1350
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,960
a light, Like what is that? And then he sends

1351
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:03,960
me the other picture I sent you with what I

1352
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:07,880
believe is a sasquatch literally standing in the woods and

1353
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,559
you see the shoulder in the head. And the cool

1354
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,960
part about all these picks is that I have all

1355
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:15,559
the upfront picks and the back picks, and like all

1356
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:18,239
the series of pictures, So it's not just like the

1357
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,559
one buddy shot right, so and then he so now

1358
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,760
he's like, Okay, this is like crazy, right so and

1359
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,000
and so and so. I I don't know if that's connected,

1360
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:34,360
but I but I think that it might have had

1361
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,679
something to do with Why would all of a sudden

1362
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:39,440
he start getting these on his camera when they know

1363
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,199
I'm gonna go with him. I was going there to

1364
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,880
hunt with him in that area, right, Why would he

1365
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,000
all of a sudden start getting these and never has

1366
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:50,280
had him before. Now he's a total like I'm on board.

1367
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,480
So he's like, I don't want to have anyone to

1368
01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:54,119
know he doesn't want anyone to know who he is

1369
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:54,599
or anything like.

1370
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: That's a tricky situation for him for sure.

1371
01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 3: Percent. So so I did. I. I just think it's

1372
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,039
all linked together. And then in October, so that trip

1373
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,679
was I went hunting with them. We didn't have anything

1374
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:07,800
happened when I was with them hunting, but but I

1375
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,519
went with him in that area, and then I went

1376
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:13,119
with my other friend that that you know about, and

1377
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:16,159
that's what all that other stuff happened. So, which, yeah,

1378
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:18,840
I mean, it's it's it's crazy man. And so I

1379
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:22,920
just think that certain people can have certain things happen,

1380
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:26,119
whether they know it or not, based off their energy

1381
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:28,199
or frequency or something or something going on.

1382
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely.

1383
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,159
Speaker 1: And and you know the photos and the photos that

1384
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:35,519
you've shared, is that something where I could put those

1385
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:36,559
in the YouTube version?

1386
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:37,159
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1387
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: So he so I don't.

1388
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I actually I asked him if I could

1389
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,800
share those with people, and so and I and I.

1390
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:45,360
That's why I emailed those two you a while back ago.

1391
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:48,840
And if you have those emails, I do, Yeah, you

1392
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,239
can post them. That's all good. I have no problem

1393
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,519
with that. There's the light picture. And then do you

1394
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:56,840
have the one of the actual sasquatch up front with

1395
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,880
the baby Sasquatch in front of it? Did I send

1396
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:05,360
you it's there? I sent you the one with the

1397
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:08,320
energy what I call it energy distortion with the black circle.

1398
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:12,719
So that so that that's super interesting to me because

1399
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:15,519
if you look at that one, that black circle is

1400
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,960
behind the tree. So that's not a camera anomoly that

1401
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,599
there's no possible way that's a camera Novelly.

1402
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: No, definitely not. Yeah, you're talking about the game cam ones.

1403
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, So with the with the with the bobcat walking

1404
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:33,159
through it and the black circle behind the tree. So dude,

1405
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:36,280
I'll tell you what, Like, there's something going on there.

1406
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,880
And like him and my dad both are like they

1407
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,639
send it to me and they're like, what the heck,

1408
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:43,519
And I'm like, dude, that's not an anomaly. It's behind

1409
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:47,519
the tree. Like, so that's the same area where where?

1410
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:50,840
And if I didn't send you the one with the

1411
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,119
what I think is the sasquatch and a little one,

1412
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,119
I'll resent it to you.

1413
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's totally really, Uh is the the sas question?

1414
01:06:59,000 --> 01:06:59,440
The little one?

1415
01:06:59,480 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 3: Is it really?

1416
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:01,039
Speaker 2: And it's green?

1417
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 3: Uh, It's it's like it's like it's zoomed in and

1418
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,800
there's like a bunch of green and then it's you

1419
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,280
can see the gray shoulder and it looks like it

1420
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,679
looks like so so if you look at that picture,

1421
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,320
you see the shoulder, then you see like the head,

1422
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:17,679
and you see the dark eyes right there right look down,

1423
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,559
look down below on the bottom. There's something little there

1424
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:24,599
that looks like a little tidy bass or something all

1425
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:27,480
this so it's like a little baby sasquatch or something else.

1426
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:28,559
I have no clue what it is.

1427
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 2: That's wild. Yeah, no idea that yeah.

1428
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,519
Speaker 3: So and so and so, and I have and and

1429
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:37,559
I have all the upfront game camera picks of that,

1430
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,000
and I also have game camera picks of that hurry

1431
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:43,559
without that there because he originally sent me the original

1432
01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:45,360
one and there was a goat in there and it

1433
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,159
was like a white hump in the original one, and

1434
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:49,320
we were trying to figure out what the white hump

1435
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,440
was and we're looking at the white hump and I'm

1436
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,159
kind of scanning in the background and I'm like, well,

1437
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:55,239
what's that in the background, And he's like, what is that?

1438
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,679
And that's where That's where that picture is, and that's

1439
01:07:58,719 --> 01:08:00,519
all that's all mount saying Ellen's area.

1440
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,559
Speaker 1: That's wild and not surprising. I mean, mouse Saint Helen's

1441
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,559
is so so active as a kid, as you know

1442
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,360
and and all the all listeners probably know. But I

1443
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,840
mean it's just just the game cam stuff is really

1444
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,119
cool that I really like the game camp stuff, especially.

1445
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 2: It's got the bobcat and it too. Yeah, well, crazy man.

1446
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,199
Speaker 3: And the crazy part to me is like and and

1447
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,239
my other friend that you know about when I was

1448
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,920
in October, man he has some he has some light

1449
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:33,640
pictures that like some of his rods are light I

1450
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,399
don't care what anyone says, Like those are pretty impressive

1451
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,439
and they're super good. And as much as people think

1452
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,560
some of this stuff's not real, it's one hundred percent

1453
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,319
of real. Like it's it's it's not it's not like

1454
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,520
the some people have these money shots of what they

1455
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,159
say or sasquatch, and but they all all they happens

1456
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:54,399
in the money shot, right, so they don't have any

1457
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,880
of you before or after. All These picks happened before

1458
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,960
and afters like and it's yeah, it's it's weird, man.

1459
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:03,680
There's something going on with lights. There's something going on

1460
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,960
with I honestly believe it's some type of energy distortion.

1461
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,119
That's what I think. That Black Mass is something like that.

1462
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:14,840
And whether the end see one. Here's the thing. Some

1463
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:20,279
people say that's portals whatever, right who we'd never really know.

1464
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:25,000
It could be something completely different. Okay, Like when I

1465
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:27,000
talked to that move On guy when I filmed that,

1466
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:29,760
and I'll email you that video that I took. When

1467
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,520
I was talking to him, we went down a little

1468
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,439
rabbit hole about Mount Saint Helen's and stuff, and he

1469
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,000
told me that he's talked to people from Mount Saint

1470
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:40,399
Helen's back in the day like wave and he's been

1471
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,479
with moof on like since day one. He was like, man,

1472
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,479
I've talked to loggers from Mount Saint Helen's that literally

1473
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,920
saw logs of rods of light pick up el and

1474
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:54,439
and disappear with them and the loggers left camp. And

1475
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,680
I'm like, so, okay, like what is that? Like are

1476
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,720
those are those distortions really Sasquatch or is it something

1477
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:06,560
different going on? And are they all linked together or

1478
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:08,520
or is it really Sasquatch?

1479
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,520
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, that's man. That's a guy. That's the

1480
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,680
guy that needs to be interviewed. He's never been interviewed.

1481
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 3: Man. He he's so he's been with mouf on since

1482
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,680
like day one, and he was he was he was

1483
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,840
pretty I'll say this about him. He was very he

1484
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:28,039
was very thorough and he didn't want to he didn't

1485
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:30,039
want it wasn't a lot of small talk, Like it

1486
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:33,119
was literally like he wanted the backs. I mean what

1487
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,119
I would try to like kind of just do small talk.

1488
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,159
He would totally just like bring it, bring it back

1489
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:41,159
in because he's been with mouf on for so long.

1490
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, probably what.

1491
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:47,039
Speaker 1: I'm man, I don't even know when movefon started, so

1492
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,159
years that'd be like forty fifty years more.

1493
01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 2: Who knows, I have to look it up.

1494
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's awesome. He didn't want to and he

1495
01:10:54,359 --> 01:10:57,399
didn't want to. He didn't want to even engage in

1496
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,279
any Sasquatch talk because I I even said, when I

1497
01:11:01,319 --> 01:11:05,039
showed him, I showed him this picture. I even said,

1498
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:07,800
man like, is this Sasquatch? And he was just he

1499
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,920
just totally didn't even acknowledge that.

1500
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 2: I asked the question, is such a waste that now?

1501
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: Is what it is? But in their own and everyone's

1502
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,520
in their own right, I think we're all saying the same.

1503
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:20,960
I think it's one big camp.

1504
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 2: Me personally, if if only we could all work together

1505
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,720
and compare notes, you know, like, yeah, it's what it is.

1506
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:32,239
So why did you, uh, why did you not ask

1507
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,119
for a visual? Why were you You said you were

1508
01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:38,359
okay with not having a visual, because I I just

1509
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:38,760
in my.

1510
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,119
Speaker 3: Mind it was probably more realistic to get an audio

1511
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,520
and a footprint. I just I was kind of I

1512
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,079
was kind of just like, Okay, if I'm going to

1513
01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:46,920
ask for this, I should ask for something that might

1514
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:50,640
possibly happen. And so and I and I totally was

1515
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,159
just like, I'm okay with an audio and a and

1516
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:57,119
a footprint, And to be honest with you now, I'm

1517
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,640
I'm actually glad that because I would rather have the

1518
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,680
recordings that I have, which you've heard some of those,

1519
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,319
and we cast for a footprint. I mean, man, the

1520
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:10,000
footprint we took was fifteen inches. Man, it's crazy, like

1521
01:12:10,119 --> 01:12:12,319
the thing the thing literally I don't know if you

1522
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,840
see that, but it's literally it's literally fifteen inches. And

1523
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,439
so I wanted something more tangible for me that I

1524
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,479
can keep in my office like I'm in my office

1525
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,119
right now, than just getting getting a glimpse of something

1526
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,239
that I already knows real, got it Like for me,

1527
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:29,800
it's for me, it's already real. I don't need like

1528
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,279
I know, I'm not a believer. I know they're there.

1529
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,399
What they what they are is a totally different conversation.

1530
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,079
So I just I wanted something tangible for me selfish reality.

1531
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:41,439
It's just me being selfish because I wanted I want

1532
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,439
to be able to have the casting on my wall.

1533
01:12:44,039 --> 01:12:46,039
I get it, man, And I know that I've listened

1534
01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:48,840
to a million times, right, Yeah, So that's why I

1535
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:49,159
did that.

1536
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, wild so man, just this last October.

1537
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,159
Speaker 3: So then.

1538
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 2: Where does this where does it put you now? Or

1539
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,560
are you are you trying to get out there and have.

1540
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: More or you at the point where you're like, wow,

1541
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:08,079
I had this happen and this happened, like okay, yeah, no.

1542
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:11,159
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm planning on going back to where I

1543
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:13,800
was at with my friend in October. He's he's and

1544
01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:17,680
I don't care what anyone says about him. He's got

1545
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:23,880
real stuff going on there. And I so I'm planning

1546
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:28,479
on going back with him, and probably I want to

1547
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,000
spend like a week there because it's man, I honestly

1548
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:34,319
think the whole time we were there, they were there,

1549
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,880
like they were there, we were hearing stuff the whole time,

1550
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:41,199
like and so they were literally there the whole time.

1551
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,359
And I and it's it's kind of crazy because I

1552
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,560
I'm gonna go back and see my brother and I'm

1553
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,840
gonna hunt. But I'm not expecting anything to happen when

1554
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,000
I'm with my brother because we're carrying long rifles, like

1555
01:13:54,079 --> 01:13:57,279
we're trying to kill stuff, right, And I think that

1556
01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:01,359
they know that, Like yeah, for some reason, I think

1557
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,560
that they can they know that, right, Like because I'm

1558
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,600
when I'm with my friend, like I hadn't. I hadn't

1559
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,800
been camping with him since we were fighting kids. Like,

1560
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,760
so he's actually the little brother of my best friend.

1561
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:17,199
That's how I know him, so and I so I

1562
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:19,399
hadn't been camping with him since we were little kids.

1563
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,920
And so it was literally just a camping trip of

1564
01:14:22,079 --> 01:14:24,960
us just cutting it up and having a great time.

1565
01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:27,800
And he's totally sober, but I was drinking and just

1566
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,039
having a good time because it was a vacation for me.

1567
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,920
So we were just eating food and hiking around and

1568
01:14:33,359 --> 01:14:35,399
and just he was showing me all the spots and

1569
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,680
we were checking all his game cameras, and he was

1570
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,600
showing me some of the tree bends and stuff that

1571
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,359
he has in those areas are insane. So then he

1572
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,279
was he took me down into a canyon there, which

1573
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:47,319
some weird stuff happened in there. That was pretty interesting

1574
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,199
because we even the night before we went into the canyon,

1575
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,119
we were talking about getting fresh fish, and I even said,

1576
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:56,039
and I have this all a recording to it's so

1577
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:59,800
crazy to listen to. I even said, well, baby, we'll

1578
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,159
get fresh salmon, because he had brought some salmon to

1579
01:15:02,319 --> 01:15:04,720
batter and deep fry for dinner, right, and I was like, well,

1580
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,199
maybe we'll get a fresh one and get some more. Then.

1581
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:09,640
I mean, I don't know if you know what happened

1582
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,359
on that trip, if you connected with him, and do

1583
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:13,960
you talk about that with you or anything?

1584
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's pretty well, it's pretty wild.

1585
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 3: So and and when that happened, I was kind of like,

1586
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,760
what was going on? Right, like, so it's so yeah,

1587
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,760
and then and then it was and here's the weird

1588
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:30,319
part too, So when on that trip, So on that trip,

1589
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,680
I went in knowing they're real. Okay, I went in

1590
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,800
with such such different intent than I ever had in

1591
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,279
the past because I know they're real now. I brought

1592
01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:41,439
equipment with me to try to get an audio. I

1593
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,199
brought casting material, I did all that stuff, right, so

1594
01:15:44,279 --> 01:15:47,439
I had audio going the whole time. And the crazy

1595
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,479
part is this, even when the one incident happened that

1596
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,159
that I got the after the chain song. You've heard

1597
01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:58,560
that right, yes, So okay, so when that happened, the

1598
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,760
way we reacted was interesting. So we we didn't it

1599
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:07,920
wasn't it was just like it was all good, Like

1600
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:10,479
we didn't even like react, like we just we just

1601
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,159
kept on do what we were doing and then sat

1602
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:14,680
around the campfire and just kept kept cutting it up

1603
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,000
and talking about life and different things. And we knew

1604
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:21,600
they were there, like like the whole time, we knew

1605
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,560
they were right there when that happened. They were literally

1606
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,439
in the bushes, like right next to us, and it

1607
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,079
didn't scare us. It didn't. So I hear things like

1608
01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:32,119
when you said you got chased out of or people

1609
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:34,720
get chased out of cabins, and you hear incidents like

1610
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,000
what happened with like people like Wes and all these

1611
01:16:37,239 --> 01:16:41,960
crazy incidents, and it's like, okay, are they And then

1612
01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:44,119
and here's the and here's the part where where I

1613
01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:47,680
wonder sometimes do they know if you're a good person

1614
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:52,199
or not? Right? I think like because like like I

1615
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:56,840
feel like they saw us kind of reconnecting after years

1616
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:01,399
of literally having like a family moment, right, and we

1617
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,920
both and we know bad attention, like totally just having

1618
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,159
a good time. And then it's like then you hear

1619
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,680
other times where people are out in their trucks with

1620
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,520
guns and maybe they're driving around poaching or they're doing

1621
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,159
something they shouldn't be doing, and and they have a

1622
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:22,119
bad experience right or or or just or or I

1623
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:24,359
don't know, man, I just I feel like I feel

1624
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:28,279
like I feel like there's some of them, if not

1625
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:32,479
all of them, can kind of tell you really are yea,

1626
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:35,560
even if you're in a bad situation, they still see

1627
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,359
who you are, right, And then I and then I

1628
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,840
and then I just wonder sometimes if there's some that

1629
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,600
are good, if there are people, there's got to be

1630
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,159
some that are bad. If there are any type of

1631
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,960
a people and there's a population, there's always going to

1632
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,600
be something that's bad. Right. It's just the way our

1633
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,720
reality works. So is that where some people go missing?

1634
01:17:55,880 --> 01:18:01,000
And and are we on the menu? Right? Like different? Like, yeah,

1635
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,319
I hear stories and I'm just like, holy crap, I

1636
01:18:03,399 --> 01:18:05,119
hope that never happens to me. Right.

1637
01:18:06,279 --> 01:18:09,359
Speaker 2: It's at the point, like you talking about intention, that

1638
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:12,199
I don't.

1639
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm at the point where I just don't go out

1640
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,800
with anyone anymore. It's not just making sure that the

1641
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:23,119
person is not crazy, right, because you need to check that,

1642
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,279
but it's also you need to have a conversation with

1643
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:28,920
them like Okay, why are you doing this? Are you

1644
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:31,479
doing this because you just care about being famous? Or

1645
01:18:32,119 --> 01:18:34,880
do you you want to connect? Do you want to

1646
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,920
You know that all matters, and that is going to

1647
01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:41,079
affect how your experience is as well.

1648
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 3: And I think, and I think with my friend, because

1649
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:50,119
he's he he wants publicity, right, That's that's he's he's

1650
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:53,319
he's on both sides. He he's doing it for himself,

1651
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,720
which I respect, but he also is trying to grow

1652
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,520
something else, right. So, but but on that trip, for him,

1653
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:03,880
it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow,

1654
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,479
because he was connecting with me as well. And so

1655
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,720
he even told me, he was like, man, he's like,

1656
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,840
you're one of the only people I know that believes me.

1657
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,640
And and he and he even said, now I know

1658
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,359
you're not crazy because I brought it up to him

1659
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,960
years ago and they all thought I was crazy, right,

1660
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,520
They're like, oh, he's just crazy. And he's like, dude,

1661
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,640
you're not crazy. I'm like, I know I'm not crazy,

1662
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,199
Like I know they're real, right, And so it was

1663
01:19:26,279 --> 01:19:28,560
more of him. I think it was more of him.

1664
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,800
Why we had so much stuff happened was it was

1665
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,520
more of him kind of being with someone and having

1666
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,439
that feeling of okay, like there's someone else here that

1667
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:40,680
that knows that I'm not full of crap, right, So

1668
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,319
it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow.

1669
01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:45,720
And I think that had a lot to do with

1670
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,600
what we got, the footprint that was left, the the

1671
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,399
audios that I got, things like that.

1672
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,239
Speaker 1: He's got a good heart. That that gentleman, your friend

1673
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:59,319
has a good heart. He's good, he's.

1674
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,239
Speaker 3: Been he's been through a lot, and he's got a

1675
01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:03,039
really good heart and he's got he's got good intention

1676
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,920
for for other people. Sometimes people get gold gold fever,

1677
01:20:09,119 --> 01:20:11,439
right Sasquatch fever is what I call it. Yeah, And

1678
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,920
it happens because it's everything's monetized nowadays. It's crazy like

1679
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:19,000
even what you do, it's you make money, like that's reality.

1680
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, highercent man, Matt Matthew, you have had

1681
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,720
a wild, wild ride.

1682
01:20:28,079 --> 01:20:28,199
Speaker 3: Uh.

1683
01:20:28,399 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: And it's cool how you go from just having experiences

1684
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,279
and then your mind just opens up. And I I honestly,

1685
01:20:36,359 --> 01:20:39,439
I I can't wait to see what happens next for

1686
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,680
you because it sounds like you're gonna keep trying to

1687
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,359
have out.

1688
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:47,199
Speaker 3: There, but go back and I'm gonna do it. I'm

1689
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:49,279
gonna do it a little different When I go back,

1690
01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:55,079
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna be more more. I'm

1691
01:20:55,119 --> 01:20:58,119
gonna pay more attention to my audios and things because

1692
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:01,359
there's things that I think I missed because I've never

1693
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,880
messed around with trying to set up audio and things like.

1694
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,960
I'm not super tech savvy, so I'm going to do

1695
01:21:07,039 --> 01:21:09,239
some things a little bit different when I go back.

1696
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 1: Fantastic well Man, we will definitely be I say, let's

1697
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,000
keep in touch and we'll have to maybe even check

1698
01:21:18,079 --> 01:21:21,399
in with you in the future down the road, get

1699
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:24,600
an update. If that's something that you would be interested in,

1700
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,319
you're going you just reach out let me know. But

1701
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,279
thank you so much for spending your time today. And

1702
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,800
there's a lot to take away from this conversation, and

1703
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,159
I just want to say thank you for coming on

1704
01:21:37,239 --> 01:21:37,520
the show.

1705
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having a platform to let people

1706
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:42,560
like myself come in here. And I mean, I've liked

1707
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,119
the mind speak stuff. I talked to one other person

1708
01:21:45,159 --> 01:21:48,039
about that's it. So that's kind of why I came

1709
01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:50,920
on is I feel like more people should be more

1710
01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:53,960
open to people are scared to talk about it. That's

1711
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,680
the reality. I much be talked about Yeah, it needs

1712
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,520
to be talked about, but it's hard to talk about

1713
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,640
it because people think you're crazy and they label you

1714
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:03,840
and then you get blowback and I get it. So

1715
01:22:04,039 --> 01:22:08,199
for anyone who does hear this, here's the thing, talk

1716
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:11,079
to someone about it because it'll help you. That's why

1717
01:22:11,279 --> 01:22:14,199
I came on earth to help myself. Because once you

1718
01:22:14,399 --> 01:22:17,119
realize these things are real and all this stuff is happening,

1719
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,079
you can obsess about it. It can't absorb your life,

1720
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,800
like you can spend your hours totally doom scrolling and

1721
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,720
watching things. And it's good to and you know that

1722
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,119
because you look at what you do, right yeah, so

1723
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,199
so so in a way, it's a good therapy to

1724
01:22:34,359 --> 01:22:36,960
come out and verbalize it because it'll take some of

1725
01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:39,960
that that off your shoulders because there is a lot

1726
01:22:40,039 --> 01:22:42,960
of thousands of people like us, and we're not all

1727
01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:47,880
hallucinating the same stuff. Like it's real, yeah, it's and

1728
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,159
you do have to be careful about your identity and

1729
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:52,880
things like for me, that's that's I'm being careful about

1730
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,000
my identity. And you can come on here and wherever

1731
01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:57,319
talk to someone about it.

1732
01:22:57,399 --> 01:23:01,319
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, absolutely absolutely, And that's man,

1733
01:23:01,399 --> 01:23:04,159
that's a good. If anyone wants to reach out, they can.

1734
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:06,680
They can send me an email at bigfo societygmail dot

1735
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,119
com and I will get back to you as soon

1736
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:13,479
as I can. But Matthew, what an awesome conversation and

1737
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,000
we will definitely keep in touch.

1738
01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:15,239
Speaker 4: Man.

1739
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 2: You're doing You're doing some good stuff, So keep it up, dude.

1740
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah sounds good. I appreciate you having me on here,

1741
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,000
and take care of yourself.

1742
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1743
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,760
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1744
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,520
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1745
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,439
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1746
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,720
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1747
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,119
to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something

1748
01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:48,119
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

1749
01:23:48,319 --> 01:23:52,199
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled

1750
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:55,079
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

1751
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:58,680
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

1752
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:02,319
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

1753
01:24:02,319 --> 01:24:05,960
you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field

1754
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:09,159
or a trucker with government contracts, and you've had something

1755
01:24:09,279 --> 01:24:12,680
happen that you've never told a soul, And if you're

1756
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,560
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1757
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,880
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1758
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,960
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1759
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,439
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1760
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:30,279
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

1761
01:24:30,359 --> 01:24:33,680
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1762
01:24:35,039 --> 01:24:38,439
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1763
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:43,600
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1764
01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:46,640
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1765
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:51,439
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

1766
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:56,880
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

1767
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,680
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

1768
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,239
There encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1769
01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:05,359
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1770
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,319
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

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1779
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,119
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1780
01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:38,640
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1781
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,479
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1787
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,079
you are. Thanks again for following along with the Big

1788
01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:04,439
Fat Society until next time, keep your eyes open, trust

1789
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,680
your gut, and never stop asking what else might be

1790
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,239
out there? And see you in the woods.