Speaker 1: You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 2: These are the.
Speaker 1: Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,
because today you'll hear another account that just might change
the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 2: So stay with us.
Speaker 1: Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his
fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,
please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes.
Thank you, hey, Laura, how are you his in one there?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm here.
Speaker 2: How are you good? How are you doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Look great?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: Thank you? Hot today? But then we had some cloud covered, so.
Speaker 2: I bet it's hot, so I had an encounter. Feel
free to share what you're experience.
Speaker 5: Okay, and I'm sorry about the lag in Rudoso. It's
seventy miles away from Roswell, where I'm from. The mountains
aren't thick mountains like other places. I went to West Virginia.
After we would go we would go to Rudoso every year,
and so we would scout those woods. I never heard
or saw anything weird, while the horses was the most
that we saw. Didn't hear anything. And then I go
to West Virginia. The woods there, that's a forest. That's
those are woods. There's you can't see past five feet
if if the sun is not out, it gets dark
because there's a canopy and all it. I mean, it's
just completely different. And what I didn't really see them,
but I could smell it. I could feel it.
Speaker 3: And then I heard them, three of them.
Speaker 5: Now I'm the only one out of eight of us
walking through the you know, the dense forest that even
they kept saying, why are you what's wrong?
Speaker 3: Why do you keep shopping?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, do you not smell that? Nobody smells that?
Like they're like they always thought it was weird. Anyway,
I hear them, and and there's no way a dog
or a human could have made this sound.
Speaker 3: These sounds.
Speaker 5: You felt them in your bones, you felt them in
your teeth when they were like communicating with each other
kind of like it was. It was almost like a
triangulation if you listened to where one was and then
speaking to the other. I mean, they were having a
conversation about us, and then the tone changed. When I
looked at it, I thought I saw something move, So
I look and again it's hard to seeing those things
because they're so thick, but I did. I was hyper
aware at that point, and I looked because I was
looking everywhere. Well, I thought, you know what, there's one
place I haven't looked up and behined. So I did,
and sure enough, the whole tone of theirs changed, like
there's a bunch of them they don't see us, but
this one does.
Speaker 3: I just felt that in my my my being.
Speaker 5: But the sound they made was so loud and so
it was like it was like you know, their their call.
You've heard it like layered, like like there was more
than one voice, only one, only one being. But the
voice was so deep and so guttural, and you felt
it in your bones. And there's and I mean he
made a sound or she a sound for forty five
seconds and it never wavered, and it shook trees even.
I mean, it was just crazy. I don't know how
close they were to us. But I could feel them
before before I could, I smelled them, and then I
felt them the way before I even saw them, and
it scared the heck.
Speaker 3: Adem Yes, yes.
Speaker 5: And when I say how, I don't mean like how
like a dog? How, I mean likely this guttural.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 5: I don't think a human can even produce that sound.
I don't know of anything that could produce that sound
except a subsquatch. Then Washington, I heard them too. I'm
telling you you can't.
Speaker 3: You cannot.
Speaker 5: You cannot make that sound because you feel it in
your whole body, you feel it in your being. They're supernatural,
for sure. For sure that will disappeared. That can do that,
It will.
Speaker 2: What What did it smell like? Mmm?
Speaker 5: Rotting death and meat just rotten like they like it
hadn't bathed when it had stuff, stuff, get its teeth like.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's something you just will never ever forget.
Speaker 5: I've worked in hospitals, I've smell that kind of death.
This is completely different, But that is nothing compared to
how you feel. Every My face was had goosebumps on it.
My hair must have been sticking up from the goosebumps.
And I don't get goosebumps, you know. I get him
for emotional things. I don't get him from supernatural things.
Nothing scares me. I've been around it all. Nothing scares
me anymore. That scared me. And I had heard in
the Appalachians even that if the closer they sound, the
further away they are. But the further away they sound,
the closer they really are.
Speaker 4: To you.
Speaker 3: Now, the way the guy that or the way that one.
Speaker 5: Of them and all of them made that sound row,
I'm telling you that scared me more than and they
were just communicating. I figured out they're just communicating. But
oh man, I wanted to run.
Speaker 2: Can you share the general area of West Virginia that happened?
Speaker 3: Then, yes, sir. We were in Bickley, Westford Jr.
Speaker 5: And we just went to the wood because of woods
are everywhere around the houses, and we just went maybe
a mile away from the houses into the woods.
Speaker 3: We didn't do it again, I promise you, at least
I didn't.
Speaker 5: And then then they decided they were like, okay, let's
tell our mom and dad, let's tell everybody to you know,
to all the parents, and see what happens.
Speaker 3: So they just laughed like, yeah, you know whatever. Then
I decided, ah, I was mad. I walked out, where'd
they go?
Speaker 5: Right to the woods and I look over and I
just see this. I'm chelling you. The woods are weird there.
Speaker 2: What a What year was that again?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say I think it was the centennial, like
seventy six, seventy seven, maybe seventy eight.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 3: When did Urban Cowboy come out that year? I think
that was seventy eight eighty somewhere around there. I was
a kid. I was a kid. I'm almost sixty down.
Speaker 2: Cool cool, cool, And have you experienced anything else since then?
Speaker 5: Yes, as a matter of fact, because we did go
into the woods again and they convinced me. And that
time I saw a dog man and they did not
see it again.
Speaker 3: They didn't feel it. They didn't see it. They didn't
not they didn't smell it nothing. I thought, you're there back, we're.
Speaker 5: Going into their territory and they're gonna be mad this time,
they're gonna get us.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, let go over. And there's nine foot dog man.
Speaker 5: Just it didn't look like a werewolf like like I'd
seen movies. I didn't that to me, it said dog man,
and it looked it cracked its head like you see me. Yeah,
I freaking see. Although my cousins and my brothers and
sisters once again did.
Speaker 2: Not same area.
Speaker 3: It was the same area, which just confused.
Speaker 5: It confused me as a child, but it really confuses
me now because I've never heard anyone say anything like this,
and I'm not making it up.
Speaker 2: M hmm. Absolutely, I've heard that.
Speaker 1: I know a few areas where they kind of live
close to each other but they keep separate.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Looking back, it's kind of cool.
Speaker 5: But man, at the time, I think I didn't sleep
with the light off or uh probably well and telling
due as a teenager, and I thought, I can't. I
can't act like this anymore. They're not gonna come get me.
Speaker 3: I just know.
Speaker 5: I just have this feeling that if I went back there,
they know me by my scent and say, hey, she's back,
she saw us, she knows like you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Is that good? Is that bad?
Speaker 4: Am?
Speaker 2: I tell anybody?
Speaker 5: Are they gonna kill me? Are they gonna say, hey,
come see us and we'll tell you about how you
know what I mean? Like the brain goes so many
ways when when you're that and nothing scares me, nothing,
but that scared me. And they could disappear, Well, that
scared me because that dog man just anticipated.
Speaker 2: Oh you saw it just disappear, disappear.
Speaker 3: I've never seen. I thought there was m going on.
Speaker 6: I was like, what in the.
Speaker 5: World again, though I'm like ten eleven and I was smart.
I was smart ten year old, but it scared me
to the core. Scares me to talk about it, like
they'll find me.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of other people having experiences like that
in the same area.
Speaker 5: By Beckley's especially, Yes, sir, I have really my cousins.
They're kind of asleep and in the matrix so they
don't really notice things. But a couple of them that
had friends that were like me and said, no, they're there.
Speaker 3: But I don't think they want to hear us.
Speaker 2: They want to the isn't there a new national park
around there?
Speaker 3: Believe there is?
Speaker 5: And that confused because these people know when and they
lived there, but they know they freaking know, So what
are they doing?
Speaker 3: Like you want people to see them?
Speaker 5: Do you want people to be taken away? I mean,
what their tactics not working? Otherwise to kill us?
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You set up something like that.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, New River goes.
Speaker 3: It's way too close, brother, way too close.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Well, Alaura, I thank you for coming up and sharing
your experiences. I hope that you are at a place
where you're able to. Can you go in the woods
now or do you keep away from the woods after that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I will go, I will go, and yeah, I will
go in the root woods. There are so woodsy there.
I can see, you know, a mile in front of me.
Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: A good one.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Just another example of cryptodactivity in an area
that gets a National park. Putting it makes you wonder, right,
makes you wonder?
Speaker 2: Hi, Daniel, Hey, Jeremiah, how are you?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: So I am trying to got to figure out the
cool way to do this. Let's let's see if I
could have you say maybe a few words about the
weather or something, and let's see if people can hear you.
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 4: Yeah absolutely, it's it's really hot and muggy in Surrey
right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's see if anyone heard that there's a
little delay. Yeah, dude, the Midwest is going to be
rough in starting Sunday, Holy mackerel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're kind of prepping for it right now.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean what it's supposed to get up to, like
one ten heat index?
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it should be a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, dude, I think I think we kind of
figure this out. I was kind of going off of
mysteries unknown and how he does it, and it looks
like this is going to work. Did you just just
curious did you have any bigfoot activity down there? Or
just given a call in because I asked? Actually both,
I guess really awesome. Yeah, feel free to share what
you're what you got going on there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I live. You mentioned the Sasquatch three guys,
and I haven't. I haven't met them, but I know
several people who have him pretty close with some people
that do some nearby uh some nearby stuff. Maybe you've
heard of the guy with the greenhouses.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've I've heard. Yeah, I've actually Oh who did
I talk to?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: This is a while back, but I've heard that story. Yeah,
are you involved with that guy?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, you probably heard from maybe Mike.
Speaker 2: Scott, Yes that was the guy. Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I uh yeah, I know, I know
those guys very well, and uh they actually had Uh
they brought me uh full circle from from kind of
not even not even understanding that how how such a
thing could be possible, let alone let alone real I was.
I was running like a small store just a few
talents north.
Speaker 2: Of that, and uh and they had just come up
to visit.
Speaker 4: Me and hang out for a while. And at the time,
high strangeness for me was just it was just fun.
You know. I didn't really even I didn't really think
I could I could believe in in paranormal things. Really
I never you know, not really that I to my
to my knowledge had experienced with it. So they can
ut to visit me, and we were just hanging out
and talking and uh they started they started telling me
about this this strange activity uh nearby, well not nearby,
but at their at their place. And I thought at
first they were just messing with me. I thought they
were just either they're great people, they're they're they're funny
to me. Uh, they definitely would play a joke on
me for fun, you know it. But after a while
they kept they kept talking and I'm thinking to myself, like, okay,
joke feels kind of kind of over and and they're like, well,
I'm becuz we're not joking. They had told me, uh
several I mean several experiences, uh that are kind of ongoing,
I guess you could say. So after I after I
kind of realized that they weren't messing with me, and
they weren't playing a joke and it wasn't necessarily funny anyway. Uh.
I got obsessed. I started watching. I found your channel,
I found uh, I found a fast watch SiO channel
and I and I could not stop watching, And honestly
I still can't stop watching. Probably uh uh maybe a
week A week afterward. I was after I after they
had came and talked to me, I was super curious.
I couldn't get anything out of my mind. I was
just it was just all I could think of. So,
I this is gonna sound crazy, and I don't I
don't know if anyone believes me when I even say this,
But I walked out my front door. And I lived
near a lake. I live on a lake actually, and
on the other side of my road is a large
wooded field. So I walked out to my mailbox. I
stood there for about five minutes just staring.
Speaker 2: Into the dark.
Speaker 4: I couldn't really tell you why. I just was staring,
and I had the oddest feeling just it wasn't it
wasn't bad. I didn't feel scared necessarily more anxious, I guess.
And I looked across. I looked across the super dark
other side of the road, and I just said, is
that you?
Speaker 2: And when I did not a.
Speaker 4: Second past and a tree knock rang through what felt
like my head, my neighborhood. I was surprised that no
one else here, if they could, I immediately was super scared.
I was like, I messed up. I don't know what
I'm getting myself into. Basically, I'm a I'm a I'm
an army veteran, so not everything scares me. But I
straight ran the thirty feet back into my house. That
was my very first experience. The uh after that, it
just up until now even uh nothing I can nothing, I.
Speaker 2: Can pinpoint nothing, you know, no.
Speaker 4: Visual sighting, but lots of lots of like glunts as
I walk around I guess you could say glunts as
I walk around the lake for just your you know,
regular exercise, and so you know that's just my my
little beginning, but it just kind of brings the question
for me, at least when you start looking for them,
do they start looking back?
Speaker 1: I think when yes, It's kind of like the story
everyone shares is when you get that new car and
you're focused on it, you're going to start seeing all
the other cars that are the same model, Right, you
start focusing and then yeah, you're gonna notice, Oh, that's
kind of a weird wood knock, or the tree got
pushed over, or it smells weird around here, or hey,
this story I heard happened five minutes away from my house.
Speaker 2: And are so are you from?
Speaker 1: Like, and we don't have to get super specific, but
it's like south of Saint Louis like that weird area. Yep, Yeah,
that area is crazy. I mean what like is a
Saint Francois County. I've heard some stuff from there. I
mean you've got Mark Twain and all that crazy stuff.
Speaker 4: So yeah, Mark Twain is pretty busy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So is it a thing where you are are actively
going out and and trying to look for stuff or
you're just kind of noticing stuff around maybe your property?
Speaker 4: Uh, A little bit of both. When I have time,
I go out I spend a lot of time with
those guys you know down south as well, So, uh,
you know, it's a it's a it's a.
Speaker 1: Mix of bowl gotcha, gotcha, and just curious because you
know you've had you've heard the stories too. So when
you talk about the things that are happening at the
greenhouse property, is there one experience or or story associated
with that that sticks out that you might be able
to to share.
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I mean I don't want to. I don't
want to tell all their stories.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that at they.
Speaker 4: Want to talk to you as well. But uh, probably
probably the very first one from the guy when he
when he told me his his first sighting, it wasn't
it was a full on I think you guys call
him a class a encounter.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: That he was working out in his greenhouse. He was
paying no attention I guess to to basically anything else.
I don't know exactly what he was doing, but I
guess he walked out and something something maybe whistled at him.
He looked up and I guess something you know, maybe
nine eight or nine foot is what he said. I
can't remember exactly, stepped out of the woodline, looked looked
him dead in the eyes, and Ordad and m and
then turned around and walked away. He ran inside, obviously,
and he's not a small guy. He's not a small guy.
By he ran inside and was almost you know, couch
ridden for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: It seemed like, wow, oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that dad, and he has he has experience with
another type as well. Uh that that does sometimes mess
with his greenhouse. That has definitely damaged his greenhouse. And
and that's as far as I'll say for that. Right,
Some some things, some things are so friendly.
Speaker 2: No, I I totally get it.
Speaker 1: You need to have your your wits about you and
be aware of what's going on out there, because you know,
sometimes it can be super friendly. Sometimes you just you
got to be ready for anything. So man, yeah, I
I appreciate you coming out, and thank you for helping
me test to make sure that this is running and
you know, hopefully we can have some good times over here.
But yeah, thank you, thank you so much. Man, appreciate
you coming up and sharing your encounter, and thank you
for listening to the show.
Speaker 4: No problem, man, you have a good rest of your.
Speaker 2: Day, you too.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, there we go. Fantastic Missouri. So I
got to get a little little thing to hold my
phone because that's going to get that's going to get
pretty not comfortable. I believe I got another call, so
I'm going to check with that person.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: We're going to give this individual a callback here. Hi,
is this Rebecca Awesome? Yeah, I was giving me a callback.
Thank you for calling in. I'm just trying to see
if I can do a call on show. And it
sounds like it worked. And so were you calling in
with the Bigfoot story you've got?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, I really was taken by it. I don't
know what questions you have.
Speaker 1: Let's start with if you want to, you know, share
your experience how it started out, if you feel comfortable
with sharing the area of the country or in the
time frame and all that good stuff.
Speaker 6: Sorry, it happened about two or three years ago. At
the time, I was teaching kindergarten and I'm retired now,
and I usually take about sixty e's you know, because
it's right in front of my house into Charleston. It's
about a thirty five minute ride, and then you have
a thirteen.
Speaker 8: Minute ride from where I live to any kind of town,
you know, it's.
Speaker 6: I called You're in the woods kind of it's kind
of out and I was setting up a hill and
it was really dark, and this bigot came out of
nowhere and I had never He was brownish collared, reddish brownish,
and he was running towards my car and he was
like in the stripes in the middle of the road.
He was chasing something and he got really close to
my car, and I mean just right there. I just
I had a really good look at him, and he
looked very he was tired. He was chasing something, maybe
a deer, and he couldn't catch.
Speaker 8: It in My car was in the way, so he.
Speaker 6: Started running down the middle of the road towards my car,
but he didn't touch me. I just got a really
good look, and I was startled by the time I
got to work and just sat there. I want to
work early to get things done in the classroom, and
I couldn't get anything done because I couldn't believe what
I had seen.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 8: So that's the story, and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 6: I was telling everybody I just saw Bigfoot. So I
never thought about ever seeing one. Said a little bit
of research on him. I found out the pretty intelligence,
the pretty smart I think the government had captured one
if I'm right, and he escaped. But I could tell
this was a male and he just looked really hot
and really tired.
Speaker 8: To face.
Speaker 6: He had the facial expression of just tired, you know
he was because he was whatever he was pursuing was
getting away. I'm I'm a believer now, totally, totally.
Speaker 8: You cannot.
Speaker 6: I know what I thought, and it's it just makes
me wonder about them because they know about us. We
know less about them.
Speaker 8: Because they are so they'd like to not be seen,
you know, because I guess they.
Speaker 6: Fear us in some sort of what sort of way?
I know they're very territorial. That's all I have to
say that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that. That's incredible. Is that Charleston,
West Virginia.
Speaker 6: Well, Charleston is where I fought. I am from. I
was living in Cologning, which is thirty five minute drive,
you know, and it's kind of one of the country
road mostly, And yeah, it's.
Speaker 8: Close to Charleston.
Speaker 1: Okay, And how long would you say that you were
able to look at it for?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: I had a really good look at him. I wasn't scared.
I was more startled because he was running down the
middle of the road towards my car, and you know,
like the strikes of the middle of roads, and I
could have hit him and he could have got you know,
he just ran towards me. But he didn't hit my car.
I mean, he would have told him he because I
was one pretty fast and but he I would say,
I got a good three or four second look at him.
I mean I got a full bough and look at him,
you know, and I saw the expressions. It's just almost
like human like the face, you know, and he had
the auburn brownish hair, you know. But he didn't seem
to me like he was after me or anything. I
just kind of caught him in the middle of pursuing
whatever he was pursuing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I wasn't afraid of him. He just startled me,
you know. Oh yet, and I never thought about him.
I do believe in him now, I mean totally. And
there has to be moms, I mean, you know, females
and males until you know, teenagers, I mean, they have
to have families like we do. They just are very
uh what would you call it recluse right exactly. You know,
we're kind of going in their territory, you know, and
when you get close to them, they start making no noises,
knacking up. That's what I hear here.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Didn't have a certain way of running. Did you notice
anything weird about the way it was running down the road?
Speaker 6: He was running really fast towards me, just like a
human went run. He was just like he looked like
he because he was taller than my car. So I
would say he's good.
Speaker 2: At least, thanks for Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 6: Very clearly in my head life and the side of
my car.
Speaker 2: What kind of what kind of car were you in?
Speaker 6: I have a Nissong and then I have a cat
bac now, but I have a Nissan in twenty nineteen
Nissan Ultimum.
Speaker 1: Okay, so so you you are in a four door
Sedan type deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then.
Speaker 1: You're you're there, and from from how you were sitting
in the car, like, what were your what was your
viewpoint at? Was it far enough away that you were
able to see all of it when it was running
towards you.
Speaker 6: I saw him running towards me, and I saw he's
right beside my car.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I mean he just ran.
Speaker 6: I got good look at him.
Speaker 2: Gotchas running in the middle of us.
Speaker 6: And our driver's side is in the you know, on
that side where the strikes are. And that's why I song.
That's how a song. Yeah, I got a good look
at him.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned kind of startled. Absolutely, I would be too.
You mentioned you saw some emotions in its face.
Speaker 6: Well, he looked as if he was he was panting,
you know, he taught. You could tell he was really
running and what he was taking something. And I got
my car got in away, so he ran down the
middle of the road. He didn't I guess he opted.
Speaker 8: Not to cross it in kind of my car because one.
Speaker 6: Process it would have told him my car out and
would have heard him pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Oh, it would be really bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you I remember so you said it was
only for a few seconds, But do you remember any
features of the face, like if you were to tell.
Speaker 9: It was a blake, okay, like him like to like
a cross between both you know, I mean, because of
this how he was so you could tell he was.
Speaker 6: Taught, and he was running fast, you know, and he
he just think he was panting, you know, and so
he had, you know, expression on his face, and he
wasn't even patting any attention to me. He just got
out the way to the car, you.
Speaker 8: Know, and kept on towards my car the side of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, there was no car coming his way, so he
was he was trying.
Speaker 6: To get across the street, I think, and my car
got in a way. I startled, and I'm pretty sure
I did.
Speaker 1: What was the number one thing you remember about him
that made you think, Yeah, what I'm looking at is
a big foot and not just a really big human.
Speaker 6: Hair and how big he was and just the face
had no hair, you know, not as much hair. He
just looked. I mean his expression was human like, you know,
and he's just big, he said so much that they
have hair, and the color of his hair was like
an auburn redish brown, you know. Okay, yeah he was.
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 6: I was just so startled. I mean, I'm lucky I
made to work, you know, and off that.
Speaker 1: Deal that I was, Oh, I'm sure, like, how did this?
How did this affect you afterwards? After this experience?
Speaker 6: I have Air Force training. I'm retired Air Force, you know,
I know how to react in rough situations, you know,
and I kind of got a hold of myself, you know,
so okay, keep going, just don't look back. You know,
he'd have to run after me. Began out of thinking.
I think my car will go faster than he could.
You know, if I had to, I get out running.
Speaker 1: Sure, Sure would you ever want to have an experience
like this?
Speaker 2: Again, it wasn't bother me at.
Speaker 6: All, because it didn't he didn't seem like I mean,
I don't you know, I can't since the sense of
spirit because it's so quick. But I mean, I think
that it's how we approach them, you know, we approached them.
We start the very I think they're territorial, and you
know that's why the guys on the prior to me,
he said he heard the banging and things like that.
Maybe he built somewhere where they live. You know, we're
close to and they're very territorial because they protect their
families just like we do, you know, and they have
that the deer that's their food and they're meat eaters.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I just think sometimes we're going in their territory and
they really don't know us, because I think they're afraid
of us, you know. It would be nice if somehow
we could contact them and you know, use their language
to let them know where out there to hurt them.
But I'd like to see more studies on it. But
I don't think that.
Speaker 8: I think the government taught one one time.
Speaker 6: I don't know about I heard about.
Speaker 2: It, you know, I've heard stories like that as well.
Absolutely right, and I don't know.
Speaker 6: If that's true. And they took him to Greenland or
with the Greenland and he escaped, so also they go
through portals. I don't know. I don't know that much
about it.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of information out there.
I've talked to a few guys in the military, a
few veterans, and I mean about things they've experienced, and
it was so intense they didn't end up coming on
the show because.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean they're scared.
Speaker 6: It's serious of us. If we are Aventah, it's a
more circle of us because we carry weapons and they don't.
You know, they carry I mean they carry sticks and
they can put down pull down trees, you know, because
they're very strong.
Speaker 8: But I think they're afraid of.
Speaker 6: Us, you know, that's why their recluse.
Speaker 2: I think at some times you're You're absolutely right. Was it?
Speaker 1: Another question I had for you was so you mentioned
that there is no hair on the face. Was the
rest of it covered in here?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Oh yeah? All over his body?
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes.
Speaker 6: I didn't get a good look at his hands. I
just you know, his upper tors so I saw his
body running from me. But I got a really good
look at his face and was on in his front. Yeah,
he was, Harry, very Harry.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. The last thing I want to ask you is
have you ever done any looking around to see if
there's other people that have had similar experiences where you
had your experience?
Speaker 6: No, because people here just don't believe me. They laugh,
you know, and I'm like, Okay, well, I know I saw.
I saw what I saw, and I know the area.
One time I had came through there around five in
the morning and I saw cows laying all over the road,
so that that kind of surprised me. On each side
of the road, they weren't in the road, they were
on the side of the road. So the man that
had those cows right in his pasture, somehow they got
out of that pasture and they were all dead, and
I had to go around them.
Speaker 2: Oh, I remember that one more.
Speaker 6: Really dark, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were not alive and they were all
over the place on the side of the road.
Speaker 6: No, And I wanted to go up to just because
it's up on the hell, you know, and say, hey,
your ChEls are lad in the roads here on the
sides of the road. But I did not. Just went
on to work because I have, you know, twenty one singergardeners.
I have to see the house. But oh no, you know,
I have seen a lot. Those are the two things
I ran on patting or so.
Speaker 2: That's that is some wild, wild stuff.
Speaker 1: Rebecca, thank you so much for for coming up and
for sharing your experience. You're welcome, and thank you for
listening to the show. I appreciate it fantastic. Well, this
is working out pretty good. It's working out really good.
I do need to get one of those I need
to get a little thing I can put my phone on,
because that's going to get uh, that's going to get
kind of rough. Not that it's a word thing, but
you know, I'll just put a little tripod there. I
wanted to Where is it? John? Thank you so much
for your five dollars donation. Love your show too. Appreciate
that man. Thank you the bigfoot Dwarf for being a
great mod right now, he's taking care of business. Hi Luienne, Hi, Hi,
this is Jeremiah.
Speaker 10: How are you, Hi, Jeremiah, I am fine.
Speaker 1: Hey, awesome. Feel free to share what's on your mind there.
Speaker 10: Okay, well this just happened yesterday.
Speaker 8: Now I live on the Cumberland Plateau where you were
recently allegedly.
Speaker 6: Allegedly.
Speaker 2: I don't know who told you, queen.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we were traveling between Sparta and Cross Yes, ma'am,
just on Highway seventy okay, broad daylight, and all of
a sudden, the traffic starts walking up. You know, you're
the uh little airport there, municipal Airports.
Speaker 6: We're like, what is going on? Is it an accident?
Speaker 10: And so we get, you know, closer up and we
move and they start telling us we need to go,
you know, the.
Speaker 6: Cops, that we need to go on a back road.
Speaker 10: And we look and a tree that is green with leaves, not.
Speaker 6: A rotten old tree.
Speaker 10: And mind you, we have not had any weather of
any kind for a week okay at all.
Speaker 6: This tree is.
Speaker 10: Pushed over onto the power line over the highway and
I'm just like now you do the math.
Speaker 6: What makes a.
Speaker 10: Green full of green leaves tree get pushed over like
that when there's not a breeze, there's been no weather,
just out of the blue.
Speaker 2: That's wild.
Speaker 1: I mean that it makes you really think, because that
area is so wild for activity, as.
Speaker 10: You know, I think somebody had to be in their
bonnet and decided to give a little.
Speaker 6: Back to mankind.
Speaker 10: M somebody got ped, you know, and decided to push
over a tree.
Speaker 6: Because there's no other way that happened. So I just thought,
I just thought.
Speaker 1: I'd let you know I appreciate so between Sparta and
Crossville just recently, right, yes, yesterday, Oh my goodness. Well, well,
well there you go. Listeners should be aware of that
area and who knows what's out there in the woods.
Maybe pushing stuff happens. So thank you for coming in
for calling in, ma'am.
Speaker 6: Sure, no problem, Jeremiah.
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Well there we go, okay, And yeah, I will say
the Cumberland Plateau is pretty wild.
Speaker 2: Alleged good stuff.
Speaker 7: My name is Gary Saunders. I grew up in a
small town in the Arbuckle Mountains and my dad, my dad,
he was more or less my mentor growing up in
the woods. At the age of three, I was coon hunting,
so I've been all over the mountains down there. But
my dad told me a story back in about nineteen
sixty five. This is before all the bigfoot craze was out,
and this story involved a creature that he could not identify.
Him and my uncle they were coon hunting. They had
four or five hounds with them and they were they
were in the Arbucca Mountains and they were going across
a field that had briars that my dad said that
they had to use lights to get through. In Oklahoma,
briar patches are crazy. And he said they made it
through the briars and they and they got into the
woods and the hounds took off, and he said, about
twenty minutes later they were about a quarter mile into
the woods. He said, all the hounds come back to
them with the tails tucked between their legs. He said,
he told my uncle that he was he was heading
back to the truck. Something wasn't right. He said that,
he said they were. They kept hearing things behind them,
and he said he turned around, turned around at one
sound and he saw He said he saw what it
looked like to be an eight or nine foot tall
man standing behind beside a tree. So they they took
off and he said, whatever this thing was was following
them through them briars with no light on, he said.
He said they were having trouble getting through them, and
he said, this this thing was wrapped behind him. So
they they made it back to the truck. Everything he
said he didn't he didn't see it. See it again.
But the interesting thing about this story is this was
before all the Bigfoot craze. I think the reason my
dad told me this story, it wasn't to scare me.
It was to let me know that there was things
out in the woods that he didn't understand. And that's
what scared me because because my dad, my uncles, they
they lived in the woods, They lived fishing on the river,
they hunted on the river all down through there. So
I mean, this this made me think. And then all
this stuff coming out about Bigfoot later, it was kind
of crazy because I mean, this was before he told
me this, before Bigfoot sighting in California. Also another incident,
him and my uncle were hunting in another place and
there's an old boy scout cabin up there. He said,
about two o'clock in the morning, he heard what he
thought was a double bit axe hitting a tree. And
this is out in the middle of nowhere. He said.
He got up, got his light and walked around every
tree around the place trying to figure out where this
sound was coming from, and he never heard it. So
down in that area there is it's just forced for
all you can for as long far as you can see.
Another interesting thing as my great uncle, he was a
government trapper back in the day, and I mean he
was all over the woods. He had I mean he
collected Indian artifacts and he probably had I don't know,
ten thousand Indian artifacts. But my dad told me that
one day he saw him down at the store and
he told my dad and my uncle that he was
done trapping. He said, if if they wanted his traps
to go get them off the trap line, he wasn't
going back anymore. So something had scared him. I'm not
sure what it was, but he would never talk about it,
and my grandfather said that he wouldn't even tell him
what was going on. So there's something in that area
that I don't know what it is, but it's there's
definitely something there. And I have hunted and walked up
where my dad and uncle were on the mountains when
my dad heard that knocking sound. And you can go
up through there and about a half mile up the creek,
everything just goes quiet, no bird sounds, nothing, and you
always feel like something is watching you up through that area.
I don't hunt at night anymore. It's been years and
years since I've been coon hunting, and I probably ain't
gonna go back anymore because the woods aren't the place
to be at night anymore.
Speaker 1: And why would you say that the woods aren't the
place to be at night anymore? Is that because of
the stories that you heard growing up or was there
another situation that laid into that.
Speaker 7: It's a combination of both. I mean, there's been too
many sightings that and all these people can't be wrong.
And it's not only that in this area here there's
there's a not only do you have that, but you
also have a big cat sidings and now we're getting
bear coming into this area and the wild hogs. So
it's just better stay out of the woods at night.
Speaker 2: That makes sense, I mean.
Speaker 1: And and even on top of that, I mean it's
not a thing we focus on in this show, but
if you listen to other cryptid shows this the area
of Oklahoma, it's not just Bigfoot. There's other you know,
cryptid things down there, as people seeing dogmen down there.
There's all sorts of really weird stuff. And then there's
you know, I mean, I'm looking at the map of
where you are, and I remember hearing a story where
closer to the Texas border, there's an area where like
tigers have gotten loose from game farms, and now you know,
people have to be allegedly looking for tigers in the
area down by the river, and that's one of the
WMA's down there, I think. But so Gary, you you know,
your background is you're an outdoorsman, hunter, fishermen, and you're
also a veteran. So how old were you when you
first started hearing these stories from your father?
Speaker 7: Well, I'm sixty six years old and I was about
five years old. Okay, So this was back in nineteen
sixty five, and I believe, I believe the California Bigfoot
come out in sixty seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the main you know, that that main big
push that most people know Bigfoot for was the Patterson
Gamblin film in sixty seven, So it is it is
prior to that, which is pretty amazing. So when you
were growing up and you're hunting and fishing down in
these areas in Oklahoma, you know, how did hearing these
stories as a really young child, how did that affect
you as you started to grow up into an outdoorsman?
Speaker 7: Well? Right, at first, it really didn't affect me. I
mean I still went hunting, fishing, camping. But then then
later in life, you know, all these sightings started coming out,
and that's what kind of got me what thinking about
all this? You know, there's I mean, now you can't
hide anything, you know, I mean, it's all out and open.
People have cameras and video footage of all this. So
then I started, you know that that's what starts affecting me.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if the.
Speaker 7: Government's governed this up or why they would, but I
mean people need to know that there's things out in
the woods that you know, they may be friendly or
they may not be.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you this much.
Speaker 1: I've talked to at least one park ranger off record
that has regular encounters with these things.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have a.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of individuals that say that are like,
give me a rain check for when I'm retired, and Gary,
the amount would really make your head spind but you
probably can imagine it's a large amount.
Speaker 2: It's wild. It's just absolutely wild. What so you're you're
in this area, and.
Speaker 1: What's the most have you heard recently any people having
encounters still in this area or is it a thing
where you know, it's been a while since you've heard things.
Speaker 7: It's been a while. I've got a buddy, he manages
ranch and he haunts hogs, and he's really not said anything.
You know, he hasn't saw anything down in that area,
and he's pretty much out there, probably two or three
nights a week, i'd guess, hunting dogs. But I believe
there's something out there. I mean, if you look at
the history of Oklahoma and look the chalk Taw, Bigfoot
or that wasn't far from here from where I'm at now,
then you've got hanobia incident?
Speaker 2: Do you acts? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And there might be some people that do not know
of the uh And there's a few ways to say,
I haven't been there yet, but I know that there's
hope now be there's there's anobia. Uh, and that's a
whole that's a whole conversation itself. But what is when
you think of the the situations that they have dealt
with down there, Uh, what what is your understanding of
what happened in the.
Speaker 2: Area.
Speaker 7: Well, the guy down there, there was two families, two
brothers in there, and these things started appearing. And and
not only did these two guys see it, but the
guy's granddaughters and his whole family member. I guess they
saw these things. And these guys they were I guess
they were coaching deer, and these things started robbin nur freezer.
Well then it turned into a shooting war, and and
they they that they kill one and we're going to
go out and look at it. And four others jumped
out from the woods and took off.
Speaker 1: With this, saying, so, yeah, it is. It is one
of the most intense stories. And you know, of course
it was. It happened early two thousands, I believe, so
more than twenty years from you know, it's twenty six
right now, twenty twenty six. It's very interesting. I've never
been to the area. I hope to go someday, but
I actually had a gentleman on the show a month
or so ago, and he was telling me he owns
a cabin in the area. And so one of the
main parts of the whole now story is that they
were trying to get into the cabin to get to
they thought to get to like the woman children, right,
and they were trying to get in there, and that's
really what things got bad. So the thing is is
that current day, twenty twenty six, I talked to an
individual where there are there's there's a point where there
was a bigfoot that actually tried to get it, tried
to get into his cabin, open the door. They see
it around the property. But he's also talked to other
people in the town where they are trying to get
into their houses as well. So this is not just
a thing where it happened back twenty years ago. In
a way, the siege is still going on, but maybe
a little different than than the original. It's a it's
a wild, wild story.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I.
Speaker 1: Could say a few few different areas around Oklahoma, and
just curious if you've ever heard of any any stories
or anything, and if you haven't, that that's no sweay.
Oklahoma has so many, so many interesting places. Have you
ever heard of anything happening down by the Thackerville area
in the Red River of Oklahoma? No, I haven't, Okay,
And how thow McGee Creek?
Speaker 7: Gee Creek is not far from here. I think McGhee
Creek areas right in that area is where the chalk
Taws had their war with the big Feet.
Speaker 2: Got you?
Speaker 1: And have you ever heard of anything happening around the
Lake Texoma area? And I know that's a huge area,
but uh, there's a lot going on down there.
Speaker 7: There's a recent recent siding down by Durant, which is
not far from Texoma. I guess they were on a
uh where the our line come through. They were down
by the lake and and they saw this creature in
the cut.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember that because they were looking around. They
were looking across a river at it right right, yep, yep,
I do remember that. That was that was a wild one.
Have you ever heard of anything happening Let's say, if
you were to draw a square from La Floor over
to the Arkansas border and then.
Speaker 2: Down to let's say.
Speaker 1: Zaffra on the border, and then that goes across to
Honabi and Octavia and all that I know that's a
big square, but there could be some stuff going on
in there.
Speaker 7: I haven't heard of any recent.
Speaker 2: Sidings, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 7: But if you if you look at the chalk tall
uh bigfoot war m hm, the floor, the floor county
one of the floors was killed during that and then
the rest of the Indians come in and I guess
they killed all the Bigfoot there. They were still in
women and children, and they had a pile of bones,
human bones and stuff. I mean, that's I guess that's
chalkdaw legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's really wild.
Speaker 1: I've it's one of those legends where I have talked
to individuals where it's like they're on either side. Some
people are like, yeah, it's it's totally real. Some people
are like, I don't know, could just be a legend,
but it's it's it's a fascinating story either way.
Speaker 7: I think, well, here's the thing on the floor. He uh,
he was pretty prominent person during back during them times.
Speaker 2: He was a.
Speaker 7: He was a lawyer. So I'm not sure that story
don't carry some truth to it.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. Now, based on.
Speaker 1: What you've heard growing up in this area, So maybe
you talk to people over the years and just you know,
experiences you've had. Do you have any leaning as to
what you personally think Bigfoot might be? There are so
so so many different ways to look at what what
it is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: I have saw reports where uh here samples they took
had like human DNA in it. M you know, a
lot of people think it's this big gorilla. I don't
think that's true. I think maybe the Neanderthals didn't die out.
Are there another branch of human that we haven't discovered?
These things are smart, you know. I think they're a
lot smarter than like a gorilla.
Speaker 1: I would say, uh, one hundred percent, there is. And
I think some people get really a lot of humans,
I think, uh, a lot of let's let's wear that differently.
A lot of people in our culture kind of get
a little bit scared or been out of shape if
they think or to think that there might be something
out there smarter than we are. And I think that
we have to get to come to terms with that
that there could be absolutely something out there that is
either as smart as us or even smarter. Because man,
the things that you hear, the accounts that are told,
and I mean even experiences where Okay, so there's something
out there that can make people freeze or make people
walk the way they don't want to. And these go
all the way back to Native American stories passed down
over the years. It's really wild stuff. But Mike, Goodness,
Oklahoma is just so so full of intense, intense things.
Is this something where you would ever want to have
a sighting of it yourself like your father and your
uncle did back in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 7: I'd like to see it. I don't know how close.
I don't want to get to it, but I'd like to,
you know, know, one way for the or the other.
But I don't think these things are actually smarter than humans.
I think they just have a different way of a
different way about them. You know, how they haunt, how
they how they.
Speaker 1: Think right and and you know a few people over
the years have contemplated where I think if if they
think if you were put out in the woods and
with no tech and it was just survival, get food,
and it's really just survival. I mean, how your senses
would change, what you would focus on, what senses would
become even clearer or more defined with with tech and
schedules out of the way. I mean, it's it's definitely
something to think about. But I had more than a
few people talk to me about that before.
Speaker 7: So I think whatever these are have evolved with capabilities
that we don't have. I mean, how did they hunt deer,
you know, with no weapons?
Speaker 2: Right right exactly?
Speaker 1: And I mean, man, I've heard some I think the
wildest thing I've heard come out of Oklahoma as a
gentleman I talked to I'm not going to say his
name because I can't remember if I used it in
the interview, is years ago where he had heard a
story coming out of southeast Oklahoma. The guy was up
in his tree stand and he saw these bigfoot chasing
some hogs below them, and one took a hog it
up and swung it against the oak tree and broke
his back to kill it. As just wild. I mean,
you hear stuff like that, just breaking backs and you know,
ripping limbs off deer and stuff that's like really kind
of hard to hear, right, I mean, but it's it's
really intense survival stuff when you think about it.
Speaker 7: So also, uh, there's a podcast about over in Missouri
and this old farmer he you know, he said he
found deer with broke legs. They just bront broken legs,
you know, just hobbling around.
Speaker 2: I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you think about it, that's pretty smart.
You know, if coming to her deer and you're able
to kill, you know, kill one to eat, and then
you crippled two or three more for kind of like refrigerator,
you know, the wooden refrigerator exactly.
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing, are you talking about miguel sasquatch theory,
the killing fields down.
Speaker 2: In Missouri killing fields? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, Oh my goodness, I.
Speaker 4: I had it.
Speaker 2: I was going down there with him last.
Speaker 1: Year and it didn't work out at the last second
on my side. So someday, hopefully once I get back
out there, that's going to be on the list. Because man,
if you I love watching Miguel's videos and they are
getting some wild stuff down there. It is a very
very intense area down there in Missouri where where that
gentleman's property is. But my goodness, Gary, this has been
a fun conversation about really southern Oklahoma and and what's
going on down there. And I think this is one
of those where it might lead to some other people
coming forward. You know, if there's people listening that are like, hey,
I experienced that in the same area, or I've heard
of that, you know, definitely reach out. You can send
me an email at Bigfoot Society gmail dot com is
the best way to reach me.
Speaker 2: But Gary, I want to.
Speaker 1: Make sure that you were able to share everything that
you came to the show to share today. I pretty
much it fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming on, sir,
and it's been it's been a great kind of break
for me from everything that's going on, and I hope
it was. It was a good time for you. But
feel free to reach out if you ever hear anything
else going on down there.
Speaker 7: All right, I sure will. I keep my ear to
the ground around here. This phenomenon kind of I don't know.
It just intrigues me. You know, we've got a cryptid
out there that I know many many people have saw
and we don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I hope that someday we're able to
figure out what's going on but also keep it safe
as well. I think it's that's how I viewed conservation.
But thank you, thank you, Yanger. I'm going to go
ahead and stop stop recording here, all right, thank you.
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