WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:04.320 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:06.240 KFI AM six forty. 3 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:08.199 Later with mo Kelly. We're live on YouTube, Instagram, and 4 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.320 the iHeartRadio app. Let's get to it, Jackie Ray, good 5 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:12.160 to see you this evening. 6 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:12.880 Great to see you. 7 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:16.960 Zion Williamson. You may know him as a star when 8 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.160 he's on the court. He's often injured, the star with 9 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:21.679 the New Orleans Pelicans. You may know of him when 10 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:24.960 he was a star at Duke University. But he also 11 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:28.519 has a house here in Los Angeles, and he is 12 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:31.600 in the news because a woman claiming to be one 13 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:35.439 of Zion Williamson's exes has filed a lawsuit lawsuit I 14 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:39.399 didn't say criminal charges lawsuit against the NBA star, alleging 15 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:44.159 he raped, kidnapped, and terrorized her on multiple occasions throughout 16 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:47.880 their years long relationship. In fact, according to the suit, 17 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:51.799 one of the violent incidents took place on September twenty third, 18 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:57.280 twenty twenty, well within the statute of limitations. I'm putting 19 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.320 that out there for a reason. And this was after 20 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:02.159 the woman had gone on to Williamson's Beverly Hills home. 21 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:04.680 The accuser says she told Williamson. 22 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:06.480 She was tired of wanted to go to sleep, but 23 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:09.760 he called her stuck up some other expletives, and told 24 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:11.959 her allegedly that she could not go to sleep without 25 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.760 having sex with him. Williamson then allegedly pinned her down 26 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:18.959 on the bed and it goes on from there. Afterward, 27 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:21.760 there were other incidents which were alleged. My first question 28 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.920 to you is should I take anything from the fact 29 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:31.519 that this is a lawsuit, not actual criminal allegations as 30 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:33.799 far as I know, which were reported to the police. 31 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:37.359 Yes, I always, and I know sometimes especially women, they 32 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:39.480 get mad when I say that. But as a woman, 33 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:43.560 for me, anytime a woman files a lawsuit instead of 34 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:47.319 seeking criminal charges, me seeking criminal charges is trying to 35 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.200 make sure there are severe consequences on this person and 36 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:52.760 that they don't do it to other women. If I'm 37 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.120 filing a lawsuit, the message, especially when you're talking about 38 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.560 an aggressor, Let's say that we fully believe all of 39 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:01.879 these allegations and everything she's saying happened happened exactly the 40 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.879 way that it did. The lawsuit will probably eventually be settled. 41 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.240 And now the message is to Zion if he did 42 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:12.240 this and any other person who has done this is 43 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:14.280 I can pay my way out of this. The message 44 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.520 isn't don't do it again, it's I can pay my 45 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:17.199 way out. 46 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.680 What about a situation like Cassie and I will talk 47 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.800 about what Bill Maher had to say about Cassie and 48 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:25.520 women filing lawsuits as part of my final thought to 49 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:28.800 preview that. But in that specific instance, you had someone 50 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:32.919 who filed a lawsuit because the statue libertations had expired 51 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:35.319 and her only recourse was to do so because of 52 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.639 the New York Adult Survivors Act, there wasn't a window 53 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:42.120 opportunity for her to file criminal charges. But but because 54 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:46.520 of her lawsuit, law enforcement did follow up and subsequently 55 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:49.599 filed criminal charges because what was found in a lawsuit? 56 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:50.800 What about that possibility? 57 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.080 But that wasn't the intent, And so for me, the 58 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.080 intent the intent is always it means more than the outcome. 59 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:01.439 Her intent was to have financial repercussions for what she 60 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:03.759 went through. And I'm not saying she didn't deserve some 61 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:07.120 financial repercussions for what she went through. I'm saying that 62 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:11.719 as a woman, if I can prevent another woman from 63 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:14.120 enduring that, that's going to be my goal. 64 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:15.000 Money is not. 65 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:20.840 Charger fifty five in our YouTube chat said a parenthetical, 66 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.479 same thing happened to Trevor Bauer and Kobe Bryant. That 67 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:27.120 is incorrect because both Trevor Bauer and Kobe Bryant faced 68 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:27.879 criminal charges. 69 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:28.360 Correct. 70 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:29.120 Correct. 71 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.680 And that's the thing because again, once you reach a 72 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:35.280 certain status, male or female, there is a level of 73 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.840 entitlement that I can just behave this way because what 74 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:40.960 I'm just gonna throw some money at it, and normally 75 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:42.159 people do go away. 76 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:43.879 So what's the endgame? 77 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.639 That's always my question when I see stuff like this, 78 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.560 and when you're talking about twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty 79 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.759 twenty two, there's another problem. Again, I'm not saying that 80 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:55.879 this didn't happen to this woman, but what I'm saying 81 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:59.120 is now you've put yourself in a situation where it's 82 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:01.879 difficult for people to believe you because now you've gone 83 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:05.159 all this time and you've said nothing, and now you're 84 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:07.840 not doing criminal charges, you're doing a lawsuit that could 85 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:10.840 potentially get you financial gain. Same thing happened with Cassie 86 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:12.439 when she was on the stand. She said, you know, 87 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.159 I didn't say anything because he might have replaced me, 88 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.319 there's a level of lifestyle that she was getting used to. 89 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:20.120 That's a problem. I interviewed. 90 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:22.759 If you go way back in the Jackie Ray Show days, 91 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:25.240 I interviewed a woman named Tasha Biltmore. She was doing 92 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:29.920 this whole play about her domestic violence experience, and I 93 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.639 had to ask her the question. I says, you know, 94 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:33.199 I know this is going to be a difficult question, 95 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.079 but I'm listening to you talk about years and years 96 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.839 of abuse and I have to ask, what the hell 97 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.839 were you thinking? And she even said, in that situation, 98 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.600 I knew if I left that my whole life would 99 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.439 change as far as the lifestyle that I was accustomed to. 100 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:52.000 It's difficult for me to really sympathize with you if 101 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:57.120 you're seeking money, if lifestyle is a consider ration exactly, 102 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:01.439 and so that's it's difficult for me to really say, Okay, yeah, 103 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.360 you know this is horrible. If you're staying because you 104 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:05.240 don't you don't want the money to go away, then 105 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:06.079 that's the price. 106 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.120 I want to believe, and maybe I'm not, depending on 107 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:11.560 who is listening right now, I want to believe I'm 108 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:13.839 fair in this regard. I would like to be the 109 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.439 person who's I'm not going to be the person who says, 110 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:17.439 believe all women. 111 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.879 I'm not right, I'm not because people lie people right. 112 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.000 I am going to be a person to say, let's 113 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:26.800 hear the story and judge it on its merits. 114 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:29.639 I don't know enough about the evidence in this. 115 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.360 I do know the difference between a civil lawsuit and 116 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:36.120 criminal charges as far as the standard of proof. I 117 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.399 do know that in a civil lawsuit, all you need 118 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:40.800 is the propounderance of evidence, which is fifty one percent, 119 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.839 which is a much lower standard. In other words, you 120 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.879 have a greater likelihood of being successful financially as opposed 121 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.000 to in a criminal child where you need beyond reasonable doubt. 122 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:54.240 Right, But then that's in a lawsuit like this. In 123 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:57.480 the civil lawsuit, then it becomes the believability because unless 124 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.800 she's recorded this, unless there were video surveillance in the 125 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.399 house that showed this, what is the proof is gone now? 126 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.920 And so now it's gonna be do you believe her 127 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:09.600 in a court or do you believe zion? And that 128 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.199 a lot of times comes down to likability, and that. 129 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:14.519 Is the large discussion for everyone to wrestle with. Some 130 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:16.480 people in the chatter say I don't know who Zion 131 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.800 Williamson is. Well that's really neither here nor there. If 132 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:22.480 you follow NBA basketball closely, you know who he is. 133 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:25.680 But the point is there is something to extract as 134 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:28.360 far as this is not the first and won't. 135 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:28.680 Be the last. 136 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:31.160 Right, how do we look at the idea of a 137 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:35.480 woman suing and not pursuing criminal charges within the statute 138 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:36.319 of limitations? 139 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.439 So I'm gonna give some grace because I understand that 140 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.319 if this were to happen to me, who knows how 141 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.199 long it would take me to mentally be okay to 142 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.800 even talk about this publicly. So that's first and foremost. 143 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.160 You don't know how people respond to grief and trauma, 144 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:52.639 So I'm definitely gonna give grace. I would like to 145 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:56.879 think it wouldn't take from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty five, 146 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:00.160 because again, at that point, I lose my credibility. So 147 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.680 if my intent is to stop this from happening to 148 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.720 another woman, it can't be just about me. It has 149 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.160 to be about stopping this abuser who by if. 150 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:11.720 What she's saying is true, this man feels entitled to 151 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:12.240 do this. 152 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:14.120 And probably she would not be the only one that 153 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.160 it's happened to exactly if we take. 154 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:17.439 Her at her word exactly. 155 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:20.079 So what I would say to any woman, prayer forllly 156 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:21.279 this never happens to you. 157 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:22.680 But if it does happen. 158 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:27.360 To you, you, as a woman should embrace the responsibility 159 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:29.879 of making sure another woman does not have to go 160 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.279 through that if you can have anything to do with that. 161 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:34.800 It's Later with mo Kelly. Jackie Ray joins me in 162 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:36.920 studio as we go beyond the box swell. When we 163 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:38.759 come back, we have to talk about the trans athlete 164 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.959 who won two girls air quotes and I mean that 165 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:45.399 air quotes track and field events at the California State 166 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.560 CIF Finals. That's next KFI AM six forty We're live 167 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.639 on YouTube, Instagram, and the iHeartRadio app. 168 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.720 You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from 169 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:57.480 KFI AM six fortyfi. 170 00:07:57.639 --> 00:07:59.920 It's Later with mo Kelly Live on YouTube, instagrammy I 171 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.199 Heart Radio app. As we continue to go beyond the 172 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:07.160 box score with Jackie Ray. A huge subject and story 173 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.040 here in California. The trans athlete who won two girls 174 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:14.399 track and field events at California High School Track and 175 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:18.680 Field championships over the weekend took home gold in the 176 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:23.600 girl's high jump and the triple jump tremendous controversy. We 177 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:29.519 know that the Trump administration is investigating whether California state 178 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:33.039 law is in violation of Title nine federal law and 179 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:38.159 its provisions for girls slash women's athletics on. 180 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:39.200 A scholastic level. 181 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:41.559 Let me just say this because I always feel like 182 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.240 I have to do this as a precursor. This is 183 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.879 not against the trans community, and I'm not going to 184 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:49.399 disrespect anyone in the community, but when it comes to 185 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:53.840 trans children, and they are children, and if they want 186 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.840 to perform in athletics or compete in athletics, sometimes you 187 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:02.480 have to tell your child no right and sometimes you 188 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:04.720 have to do it because you have to teach the 189 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:06.720 child that the world is not going to confirm to. 190 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:09.240 Your individual decisions. 191 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.759 Title nine in girls sports is predicated not only on 192 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:19.639 fair competition, but a biological separation. Not a gender expression separation, 193 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.159 but a biological one. 194 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:24.159 Where do you come out on this, Jackie Ray. 195 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.120 I think it's quite disappointing that this is even a thing. 196 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:32.000 I think that any true athlete, a true competitor, someone 197 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.200 who wants to go out there and win, wants to 198 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:38.000 win against the best, and if you are a biological male, 199 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:40.879 there's just no way you can say that you are 200 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.679 competing against your equal counterparts. You can't say that now, 201 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.039 you can't say that just because you've been taking these hormones. 202 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.440 You'll never be able to say that because you will 203 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.360 never be a biological woman. So for in the spirit 204 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:57.840 of competition, every athlete I know wants to compete against 205 00:09:57.840 --> 00:09:59.960 the best, even if they know they might not win 206 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:04.080 against the best. It's a level of competition and being 207 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.919 able to get over and say, hey, I won that 208 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:10.639 through my pure grit and strength. And so it's disappointing 209 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:14.440 to me that so many transgender athletes even want to 210 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:18.799 participate in women's sports, because however you identify is irrelevant 211 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.960 to me. It's a biological women's sports. And people forget 212 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.440 how hard we had to fight talk about Title nine, 213 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.440 Title nine. People forget all about Title nine. When I 214 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.120 was coming up, there wasn't a WNBA until there was 215 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:34.879 a WNBA, and part. 216 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:37.360 Of don't forget the ABL which preceded. 217 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.799 The NBA, right, But it was a fight to say, hey, 218 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.360 we want to play sports. We want to play the 219 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.759 same sports as men. There was a whole like, if 220 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:46.159 you read the history, and I know a lot of 221 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.159 people don't read these days, but if you read, you 222 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:52.720 read the history, there was a whole men did this 223 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:55.519 whole campaign. When women were saying we want our own sports, 224 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:57.919 men would say, oh, there's not enough women who would 225 00:10:57.919 --> 00:10:59.279 actually want to play sports. 226 00:10:59.320 --> 00:10:59.720 That's right. 227 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:02.360 We had to fight against the narrative. We had to 228 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.720 fight against men. We had to fight and just make 229 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:08.159 our own leagues just to be relevant. And then even 230 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:11.919 when you're talking about the WNBA right now, without even looking, 231 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:13.679 we could go back on some of our podcasts and 232 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.200 I would bet my last dollar that there's men in 233 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.960 there that are saying the WNBA isn't as good as 234 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.320 the NBA, and people are not watching it because of this. 235 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:23.639 That and the third. The fight for women's sports is 236 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.440 never going to end. So for a biological man to 237 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.879 want to jump into that ring is offensive. It's just 238 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:30.840 flat out offensive. 239 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:31.720 Well it's offensive. 240 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.440 It is also unfair, and I think it demeans and 241 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:40.240 diminishes the fight and the whole purpose of having. When 242 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:45.440 I say women's sports that includes girl sports, I hate 243 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:47.639 to say the same thing over and over again. But 244 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:52.000 my argument hasn't changed. This is an expression of gender. 245 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:57.000 It's not a change of your actual sex, your born sex. 246 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:02.120 How you choose to express it from makeup, hair clothes, 247 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.120 that's gender, right, and title nine is not about gender. 248 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:08.960 It's about sex exactly, exactly. And I just think I'm 249 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.440 a little disappointed. I kind of wish that the parents, 250 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.159 and this is something that I would encourage parents to 251 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:18.679 do when instead of taking to social media and being 252 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:20.759 upset about this, which if you're a parent, you have 253 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.879 every right to be upset, snatch your kid out. If 254 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.799 all the parents that were competing against this transgender person said, 255 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:29.799 you know what, if this is the game you want 256 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.480 to play, we're not gonna play it full stop. This 257 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:34.960 is the thing, and people were like, oh, that's not 258 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.320 It's one hundred percent fair because at the end of 259 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.000 the day, I'm not competing against my equal and I'm 260 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:41.720 not going to let you put my child in a 261 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:44.080 situation where now they have to think that maybe they 262 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.320 didn't train hard enough, maybe they're less than for any 263 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.799 other reason, when there is a biological reason that they 264 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.440 might not have won in that particular situation. 265 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:55.399 That's the whole point of having the girl's hide jump 266 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:56.759 or the girls tackle jump. 267 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:00.279 That is the whole point. 268 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.279 Sometimes, and this is broader than just sports. Sometimes you 269 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:08.039 have to tell your child no. And although you can 270 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:12.519 be supportive of the decision for their choice as far 271 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:14.919 as how they want to express themselselves as far as 272 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:18.159 gender to the world, it doesn't mean that they are 273 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.480 also entitled And I know that's maybe a loaded word, 274 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.440 but it might be the appropriate word. That they're entitled 275 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.120 to then have access to every single space because of 276 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:30.840 an individual decision of expression of gender. 277 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:34.159 Right, you, your personal choices in life do not affect 278 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:37.159 the actual world. That's your little bubble in the world. 279 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.519 How you choose, how you choose to live, like if 280 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:41.639 you if you want to if you're a biological man 281 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.080 and you want to live as a woman, that is 282 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.399 your bubble. That is your world you can but out 283 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:47.879 in the real world, there's a certain set of rules 284 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:50.360 that we have to conform to if we want a 285 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:53.960 sense of fairness in this world, and this this entitlement, 286 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.200 if you will to not have to conform to that 287 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.840 is not only frustrating, but you're making enemies we're in 288 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.360 don't need to be made. And I've said this time 289 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:04.840 and time again. I know the transgender community only makes 290 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.200 up one percent of the population. But I've always said 291 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:10.360 in boxing, we have heavyweight, lightweight, featherweight. 292 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.759 We have all reasons for a reason. There's a reason 293 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:14.159 why we have so many divisions. 294 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:17.120 There's a reason why we don't let elementary school kids 295 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:18.919 play with middle school kids, and why we don't let 296 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:20.759 middle school kids play with high school kids. 297 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.279 We have all these different divisions for a reason. 298 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:28.080 Make yours not even middle school kids against high school kids. 299 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:29.559 We do it by year and age. 300 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:31.879 You know, we have eight year olds, let's say eight 301 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.000 nine playing They don't play against nine and. 302 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.080 Ten year olds, right, And we also have nine and 303 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.480 ten year olds who look like they're thirteen and fourteen, 304 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.559 who can't play with nine and ten year olds. 305 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:42.759 Say, now, I got to argue with someone about this, 306 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:45.120 and they didn't know that I had a history as 307 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:46.159 an officially. 308 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.120 So well, what about when you have boys. 309 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:49.879 And girls play on the same team when they're like 310 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:53.240 nine and ten years old pre pubescent? I said, because 311 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:56.759 they're pre pubescent on the other side of puberty. Then 312 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.080 you have the biological differences. You have testosterone and estrogen 313 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:06.360 playing an outsize impact on what these athletes will be 314 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:08.679 that's why you don't have the sixteen year old girl, 315 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:10.960 I should say the sixteen year old boy playing in 316 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:11.639 the girls league. 317 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.200 Come on, I mean, it's so basic as far as 318 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.639 your intelligent level, how it has to be the level 319 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:20.039 you have to be. It's not a high IQ argument. 320 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:23.279 No, And I reject the arguments like well it's only 321 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:27.960 one athlete. It's look, rules are not about the exception. 322 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:34.639 Rules are about for everyone to follow, not everyone except someone. 323 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.799 And I think it's easier to delineate this because it's sports, 324 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.879 because sports are predicated on fair play. Sports are predicated 325 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:49.960 on even level of competition, and everybody follows the same rules, 326 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.519 the same rules. Yes, I always say get the easy ones, right. 327 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.879 I'm sorry, this is not being against trans people. Let 328 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.720 me be clear, it's not against trans people. If you 329 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.240 want to express yourself in a certain way, if you 330 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:05.000 want to live your life in a certain way, so 331 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:05.519 be it. 332 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.759 How you dress, how you talk, how you interact. 333 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:13.399 But that does not grant you the right to then 334 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:17.159 also expect to be it's not even welcome. It's just 335 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.600 we're talking about access into things which are predicated on 336 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:24.000 biological difference or and you said this before, so I'm 337 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.320 gonna give this back to you. If you're not going 338 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.200 to do away with biological differences, then this is the 339 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.440 way it has to be. Or you can do away 340 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:35.159 with biological differences and everyone just plays yeah, and that's 341 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:35.840 never gonna happen. 342 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.120 And hello, why it's never gonna happen because there's no 343 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.639 woman in the WNBA that can take a charge from 344 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:42.399 Lebron James. 345 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:45.879 You know what I'm saying. 346 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.399 You make it all, but that'll be the last game. 347 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.000 She plays, right, forty year old Lebron James right now 348 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:55.039 against Angel Wilson, the best player, or Nafisa Collier, the 349 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.120 best players in the w I'm telling you right now, 350 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:59.559 that is a concussion that's going to take months to 351 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:00.279 recover from. 352 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:01.799 It is not the same. 353 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.960 And I think the problem in our society specifically is 354 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:10.880 we have difficulties saying your difference is okay, and instead 355 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:13.359 we want to say we're all that and knowing damn well, 356 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.200 we're not the melting pot. Like we all find differences 357 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:18.119 in different ways, We're not a melting pot, and that 358 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:20.519 differences are okay, embrace them. 359 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:22.880 Women have fought very, very hard for this position. 360 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:25.359 I would implore the trends community to come to us 361 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:27.599 and ask us how we can help you fight for 362 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:29.359 your space in sports. 363 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:30.599 But don't take ours. 364 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:33.039 Jackie Ray, good to see it. 365 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.480 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from 366 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:39.119 KFI AM six forty. 367 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.559 Mister mo'kelly. He woman's as. 368 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:58.359 This as autonomous vehicles. 369 00:17:57.799 --> 00:17:58.680 Might be all. 370 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:11.680 Moping, Tomalla comes on Cleaner one under control This, Kelly 371 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:16.119 is wrong with more thinks he's on the payroll. 372 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:26.559 Over. 373 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.559 It's Later with Kelly Live on YouTube, Instagram and the 374 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:43.720 iHeartRadio app. And let me tell you about the head 375 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:49.160 to head test between Tesla and Waimo self driving cars. 376 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:54.519 A pair of business insider riders recently tested the self 377 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:59.599 driving capabilities of both Tesla and Waimo. The event took 378 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.519 place in San Francisco, with each vehicle being given the 379 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:06.319 same trip from the Twin Peaks viewpoint to Chase Center 380 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.319 if you're familiar with the area. Waimo's fully self driving 381 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:15.799 Robotaxi featured twenty nine cameras along with other radars and sensors. 382 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:21.279 Tesla's Model three had eight external cameras. Ah, but here's 383 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:25.440 the thing. Still required someone to sit behind the steering 384 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:31.799 wheel that was notable. Weimo, according to the writers, noted, 385 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.359 was safe but assertive, including one time where it seemingly 386 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:38.680 tired of waiting behind a car at a stop sign 387 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:44.000 and moved into an open lane to the right. Tesla, meanwhile, 388 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:47.839 had a mostly smooth ride, including highway driving, but Weaimo 389 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.759 currently doesn't do yet outside of limited testing, so that 390 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:54.079 was a plus for Tesla. But here was one thing 391 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:57.039 which made the difference in the comparison. According to the writers, 392 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.759 during the last half mile of the trip, the Tesla 393 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.799 came to a stop at a red light, only to 394 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:06.559 then drive through the intersection before. 395 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:07.079 The light turned. 396 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.200 Greed, Yeah, that probably will do it. The mother father 397 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:16.480 ran a light. Yeah yeah, So they handed it basically 398 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.319 to WIMO. On the strength of that alone. That's more 399 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:21.680 than on the strength alone. 400 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:25.480 Okay, that is the difference between life and death in 401 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:26.640