WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:11.560 In the late nineteen seventies, mysterious figure cast a shadow 2 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:16.600 over the quaint town of Circleville, Ohio. This individual embarked 3 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:20.879 on a campaign of terror reminiscent of an analog version 4 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.879 of Gossip Girl, but with a far more sinister type 5 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:33.000 of consequence that involved divorce, murder, and wrongful imprisonment. This 6 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:39.280 is the mystery of the Circleville Letters. My name's Ben. 7 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:42.479 And I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim, 8 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:45.759 a true crime podcast. Warning. 9 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:52.840 The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience. 10 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:55.920 Listener discretion is advised. 11 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:15.000 Tomorrow's the day. 12 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:21.439 Tomorrow is the day, the day, the day, or the day. 13 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:23.079 I don't even know either one. 14 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:25.959 Yes, the answer is all of the above. 15 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:29.560 Yeah, Tomorrow is the start of our what I guess 16 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.079 it would be our third annual Halloween Week. 17 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:36.319 Yeah, don't, dun't, which also means it is the return 18 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:41.159 of Jacko. So Jacko is going to be our MC 19 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:45.799 tomorrow as we start the seven straight days of Wicked 20 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:46.200 and Grim. 21 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:47.920 I'm actually sure missed Jacko. 22 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:50.719 Jacko's pretty dope, so I'm pretty stoked for the return to. 23 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:53.599 Yeah, that's gonna be awesome. That actually just just hearing 24 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.879 his name, maybe even more excited. 25 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:00.400 Rightfully, so he instills not only fear, but joy. He's 26 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:04.519 like a encryptid Santa Claus. If that makes any sort 27 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:05.560 of sense, it does. 28 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:08.719 I get it. Yeah. So yeah, we're pretty pumped. We've 29 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:12.680 been preparing for that. We got lots going on. But 30 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.560 we will be announcing what the week looks like tomorrow. 31 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.520 Yeah, so tomorrow we'll be uh we laying it out 32 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:21.240 a little bit more for you so you can understand 33 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:23.199 what's happening. We got some pretty cool stuff going on. 34 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:26.039 One thing we're actually doing this weekend was a photo 35 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:27.919 shoot though. Yeah, we will talk about that a little 36 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:29.240 bit if that's cool, of course. 37 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.280 Yeah, our whole weekend consisted of some spooky, spooky stuff. 38 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:36.960 So on Friday we did our photo shoot, our annual 39 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:39.280 I mean, everything is just an annual now, I guess. 40 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.000 And it's funny. Actually, we were just planning to do 41 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:46.479 photos with the dogs, like just pretty normal photos, I thought, 42 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:49.800 and then of course Ben came up with an idea, 43 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.280 and so we did the idea. What was it? 44 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:56.120 Well, we involved our patrons in actually voting in yeah, 45 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:58.240 you know what we should do. But the idea is 46 00:02:58.280 --> 00:02:59.919 that we are out on a picnic, we were enjoying 47 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:01.919 just looking a nice glass of wine and then guess 48 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.000 what up comes a zombie? 49 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:06.919 Oh literally my worst fear. 50 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:08.680 Yeah, so the zombie bites one of us and the 51 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:11.479 other person gets to kill the other person. 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If not, you're here, that's cool. We appreciate 77 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.079 that too. You're your supporting us in your own way 78 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:18.800 and that is amazing, So thank you. 79 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:25.680 We just appreciate all the support we do. All all, all, all, yes. 80 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:28.240 Shout out to Bridges because they offer a lot of support. 81 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:30.839 We're also like really missing something. 82 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.160 What are we missing? 83 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:34.680 Yep? 84 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:37.680 Yeah, I know. Well I was just at a meet 85 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:39.959 up with some creators and stuff like that, and I 86 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:41.560 just had a couple so I thought I might not 87 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.360 this time. But that also just sets up for us 88 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:47.720 to open them up tomorrow. 89 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.879 Oh yeah, we'll be like enjoying a beverage every every 90 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.120 day this week, probably, So do you. 91 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:54.759 Know what we should do? We should make a run 92 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:57.639 to town tomorrow and get some stuff from Margarita's or 93 00:04:57.759 --> 00:04:58.800 starting off Halloween. 94 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.480 Oh I would love that. Actually, Yeah, it's been a 95 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:02.839 while since we had a good Margarita. 96 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:08.000 Okay, if you're listening tomorrow, you need to if you're 97 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.399 willing and wanting, and join us with the margarita. 98 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:12.040 We're drinking Margerita is tomorrow. 99 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.040 Get prepped when you're listening to the episode with a 100 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:17.439 nice margarita, because we're going to have one too. All right, 101 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.000 we've chatted enough. You ready for this one? 102 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.360 Yeah, without further ado, let's do it. 103 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:25.240 It is the mystery of the Circle vill letters, which 104 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.079 I have never heard of before until looking for a 105 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:32.000 good case. And this one's kind of reminiscent of like 106 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:39.519 that Watcher case. Okay, yeah, with a different twist in there. Okay, 107 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:40.720 so it's like the Watcher, but. 108 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.360 The Watcher is creepy as shit, it is. 109 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:45.079 This one's just as creepy. 110 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:46.120 Okay, awesome. 111 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.279 Okay. So this story begins in nineteen seventy six, when 112 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:54.759 the unsuspecting residents of of course, Circleville, Ohio, found themselves 113 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:59.160 targeted by a series of disturbing letters. They contain shocking 114 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:03.639 intimate details about their private lives, with a particular focus 115 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:05.920 on their sexual deviancies. 116 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:12.319 Oh shit, yeah, that's terrifying. 117 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.439 Like I said at the very beginning, it's very reminiscent 118 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:21.199 of gossip Girl, because yead is Oh no exo xo. 119 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:22.720 I'm ashamed that I know. 120 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.560 That's so exo gossip girl. 121 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:30.360 Oh wow, oh my god. Okay, people out there either 122 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.079 losing their shit being like yes, or they're cringing way 123 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:33.920 too hard right now. 124 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:37.079 Oh I mean everyone, well not everyone, the majority of 125 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:38.759 people would know that, saying I think I. 126 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:40.560 Only know it because you watched the shit out of 127 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:41.319 that back in the day. 128 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.199 That was a good show. I should watch it again. 129 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:48.759 Anyways, we digress. The letters, all postmarked from Columbus, Ohio, 130 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:53.759 arrived without any turn address on them, okay, which to 131 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:57.680 me says that they're being hand delivered by whoever is 132 00:06:57.720 --> 00:06:58.600 putting them out there. 133 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.000 Yeah, because I don't even know if you can. Can 134 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:04.439 you actually mail something without a return address? 135 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:06.839 I'm not certain to arrive. I'm not certain, and it 136 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.519 might be different. It might be different in like you know, 137 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:14.240 countries or states or even townships. Who knows, right, Yeah, 138 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:18.040 but anyways, the town of Circleville had a modest population 139 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:22.040 of around fourteen thousand dollars about dollars people. Today, it's 140 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:24.360 not a place for anyone to really easily hide with 141 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:28.360 its small numbers. It's located approximately twenty five miles south 142 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:33.360 of Columbus. This town was home to a manufacturing companies, 143 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:38.360 Ohio Christian University, and a particular water tower which I 144 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:42.079 thought was rather fascinating. This water tower is painted to 145 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.800 look like a pumpkin. Really yeah, so shout out to 146 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.519 Circleville for their pumpkin water tower. 147 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:49.680 Because that's why I want to see that. 148 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:54.319 Look it up. It's all but despite the small despite 149 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.600 the small size, Circleville boasted a tight knit community where 150 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:04.639 neighborly intimacy was rather cherished. However, the Circleville letter writer 151 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:10.959 exploited this exact intimacy, transforming everyone into a basically giant 152 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:15.160 fearful bunch or small fearful bunch because it's a smaller town, 153 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:18.879 leaving the residents haunted by, you know, the unknown identity 154 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.199 of who this person with this poison tipped pen is. 155 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.759 The town was now overshadowed with this cloud of suspicion 156 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:29.519 as residents anxiously speculated about who among them could be 157 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.320 capable of such cruelty. Before it was all you know, 158 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.840 friendship and neighborly, and now it's cold and who is it? 159 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:38.679 Could it be? 160 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.919 You. So he's doing this to numerous people, then he is, 161 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:44.799 it's not just because then the other one it was 162 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:45.720 just like one person. 163 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.960 Correct, yeah, correct. But we're going to get right back 164 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.519 to the very beginning of it, and we're going to 165 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:54.240 dive into where it started. And it all started during 166 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.960 the summer of nineteen seventy six when Mary Gillespie, a 167 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:03.639 local bus driver in Circleville. She one day in her 168 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:08.320 mailbox found that she received an ominous letter postmarked from Columbus, 169 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:12.600 as I mentioned before, bearing neither signature or a return address. 170 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:14.919 She opened the letter and inside was a piece of 171 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:18.919 paper with a strangely scrawled message that accused Mary of 172 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:23.039 engaging in an affair with Gordon Massey, the superintendent of 173 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:27.240 the West Fall School District, and the letter sternly warned 174 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:32.480 her to terminate the alleged relationship. Oh geez, The letter 175 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:38.159 read this, Miss Jilliespie, stay away from Massey. Don't lie 176 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.200 when questioned about meeting him. I know where you live. 177 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.519 I've been observing your house, and I know you have children. 178 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:50.639 This is no joke. Please take this serious. Everyone concerned 179 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:56.039 has been notified and everything will be over soon. And 180 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:56.720 that was the letter. 181 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.440 Okay, well was she actually having an affair? 182 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.919 Well, despite the claims on the page, Mary denied any 183 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:08.639 involvement with Massey. Now, soon after Mary received the letter, 184 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:12.440 her husband Ron found himself targeted as well, with another 185 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.360 ominous letter message arriving to him sort of thing this time, 186 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:18.799 like I said, directly to him though right, not her, 187 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:22.759 And it had a couple inserts, some of them saying 188 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:28.039 things like this, mister Gillespie, your wife is seeing Gordon Massey. 189 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.039 You should catch them together and kill them both. Oh 190 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.159 my gosh, he doesn't deserve to live. And the letter 191 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.559 went on to demand that Ron exposed the affair to 192 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.279 the school board or face dire consequences himself. 193 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:42.919 Wow. 194 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.919 Yeah, so these are some terrifying threats right out of 195 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:49.320 the gate. And now the fact that Mary received this letter, 196 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.240 she can't just, you know, just pretend this accusation is 197 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.279 there and not existing. Her husband knows of this accusation 198 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.639 now too. So reassured her husband of her innocence, that 199 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:02.360 there is no affair, and after the two were discussing 200 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.559 it for some time, they made the decision to remain 201 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.960 silent on the matter and basically hope that whoever this 202 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:10.000 writer is that they would just kind of move on, 203 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:14.120 leave them alone and stop sort of thing. Okay, And 204 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:19.279 I guess you can assume what happens next. That didn't happen. 205 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:20.799 They didn't stop, Okay. 206 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:22.559 I was very much assuming that. 207 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:24.879 Yeah, otherwise you wouldn't be having a case that we're 208 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:25.559 talking about right now. 209 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.200 Oh and then it just stops and they moved on 210 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:29.240 and everything was good. 211 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:31.480 That's the case. We'll talk to you tomorrow and on 212 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:36.759 Halloween week. No, that's definitely not what happens here. Within weeks, 213 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:41.600 more threatening letters began arriving, this time warning Mary that 214 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.159 unless she ended the alleged affair, the truth would be 215 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:49.240 publicly exposed rather than just within the relationship, and this 216 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:54.039 plunged the Jellispe family further into the nightmare of uncertainty, 217 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.759 and one of the letters they received wrote this, Jellispie, 218 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.399 you've had two weeks and done nothing. Make her admit 219 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.840 the truth and inform the school board. If not, I 220 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:11.200 will broadcast it on CBS, posters, signs, and billboards until 221 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:12.720 the truth comes out. 222 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:17.240 Geez. But like what if she actually wasn't having me 223 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:20.159 a fakir that's true? Like what is she supposed to 224 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:21.919 do then just lie, I don't know. 225 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.360 Yeah, oh gosh. Well, with more letters arriving, Mary and 226 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:29.000 Ron decided that it was time to confide in their 227 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.320 family about the craftsment. They turned to Karen, who is 228 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:36.720 Ron's sister, and her husband, Paul, so their last name 229 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:42.840 was Fresher. Now, Paul was employed at a local beer plant, 230 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:46.159 but it once worked as a prison guard. Now Ron's 231 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.159 background as a prison guard led them to believe that 232 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.679 he might be able to offer some valuable insight, especially 233 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:56.840 given his own past experiences, including surviving a horrific thirty 234 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:00.120 hour ordeal as a hostage during a prison riot in 235 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:04.480 Ohio in Ohio Penitentiary Wow, in August of nineteen sixty eight. 236 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.399 So he's kind of got some experience dealing with some 237 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:09.879 not so savory situation. 238 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.480 Yeah. I couldn't even imagine like thirty hours. Holy heck. 239 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:17.840 Yeah, that's terrifying. So in their conversation, Mary revealed that 240 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:21.039 she actually had a suspect in mind. She believed she 241 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:22.639 might know who it could be. 242 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.080 Oh, she had someone that she felt was an enemy exactly. 243 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.759 She's got her eyes in the prize here. Now, this 244 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:32.399 individual was a man by the name of David Longbury. 245 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.480 He was a fellow bus driver who she had previously made, 246 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:41.320 who had previously made unwanted advances towards her. Oh okay, 247 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.159 and when she rejected him, he seemingly kind of harbored 248 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:46.279 some resentment from it. 249 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:49.879 Huh. Well, did she reject him because she was freaking married? 250 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:52.200 Well, I'm assuming so. 251 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:55.120 So why should there be any l feelings there? I 252 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.080 don't know, huh, Okay, but. 253 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:00.600 That's her assumption, is that it's got to be this guy, right, 254 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.039 you said, yeah, And ever since then it's kind of 255 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.600 up in the same So maybe he's, like, you know, 256 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:11.159 he's behind these letters, possibly seeking revenge for whatever rejecttion happened, 257 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:11.679 or you know. 258 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:12.799 Yeah. 259 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:16.080 So they decided that to put an end to this torment, 260 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:20.320 the brother in law, Paul, would confront David in a 261 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.559 letter of his own. Okay, so fighting fire with firesome situation. 262 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:29.000 So he wrote one making it explicitly clear that they 263 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:32.919 were very well aware who he was and what he 264 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:36.080 was doing, demanding that he stopped the threats against both 265 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.240 Mary and Ron. And in the wake of that letter 266 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:44.960 being sent, miraculously no new letters began appearing. It seemed 267 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:45.840 that it all stopped. 268 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.519 Oh my gosh. So then right there they're like, yeah, 269 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:49.519 that was the guy. 270 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:53.000 Pretty much, it seemed that the whole plan had worked. However, 271 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:58.200 the relief was short lived because soon ominous signs of 272 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:02.399 the letters began to appear. And I'm not really meaning 273 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:06.720 really like spiritual or metaphorical signs. I mean literal signs 274 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:10.080 began appearing in the neighborhood, like signs on the side 275 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:10.519 of the road. 276 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:14.360 Oh okay, I thought you meant just like more letters. 277 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:18.639 But literal signs. How he threatened to begin taking this public. 278 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.960 With stuff, so he did it. 279 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.159 Signs in the public were being put out. Now, these 280 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:29.720 signs began to appear around town, falsely claiming that Gordon Massey, 281 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:34.360 the school superintendent, was involved romantically with the Jellispes twelve 282 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:36.039 year old daughter Tracy. 283 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:43.080 Whoa shit, I bet this massy guy was also getting letters. 284 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:49.279 Then I'm thinking, well, individuals do begin getting letters as 285 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.080 we go on, for sure, so I don't doubt it. 286 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.200 Okay, So just let me get this straight here. So 287 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.559 the signs were saying that he was having an affair 288 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.720 with like the daughter of who. It's kind of confusing 289 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:06.639 because the letters were saying she was having an affair 290 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.759 with him, but now the signs are saying that he's 291 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:09.919 having an affair with the daughter. 292 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.960 Yeah right, Okay, he's basically saying that this woman has 293 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:19.240 been sleeping with this man even though they're both in relationship. Yes, 294 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.000 and now these public signs are saying this man is 295 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:24.720 also sleeping with this woman's daughter too. 296 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.440 Okay, see, I'm it's surprising. That's surprising to me because 297 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:30.639 I thought the signs, if anything, were just gonna kind 298 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:34.159 of reveal them. But it's almost revealed. It's revealing something. 299 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.799 New, Yeah, something much darker. 300 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:37.320 Yes. 301 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:39.919 Yeah, an affair is one thing that's good, don't get 302 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:40.519 me wrong. 303 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.679 But like we're an underage. 304 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.000 Yeah, this is a whole new ballgame here. 305 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.440 And he works for the school, just like the schools, 306 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.919 right yeah. So ah, so. 307 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:52.480 Of course they're outraged, and Ron, in an effort to 308 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.399 actually shield his daughter from this slander, would patrol the 309 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.360 town early each morning and removing these signs that were 310 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:00.360 popping up before Tracy could ever see them. 311 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.360 Oh my gosh, what a good dad. Hey. 312 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:09.240 Yeah, so the harassment understandably fueled Ron's anger. Not only 313 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:13.480 was it attacking him or Mary, but now their child 314 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:15.240 was the target of this harassment. 315 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:17.279 Papa Bear was coming out. 316 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:20.000 Eh, oh, definitely. And you'll see here just how much 317 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:22.920 Papa Bear was coming out because on August nineteenth, nineteen 318 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.880 seventy seven, a breaking point kind of came. A menacing 319 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.839 phone call came through their home phone. Ron picked up, 320 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.680 and the stranger ominously described his surveillance of the Jesalus 321 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:40.400 b residents. He detailed knowledge about Ron's truck, saying like, 322 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.559 I know where you live, this is what you drive 323 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.960 sort of thing. And Ron was pissed and abruptly he 324 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.240 hung up the phone and he turned around, went to 325 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:53.240 storm outside, and he said, I recognized the voice on 326 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:54.960 the other end of his phone. 327 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.559 Oh he just like yelled that, or what do you mean? 328 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:02.640 He turned to his family, He's like, I recognized voice. Okay, yeah, 329 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.400 So in a fit of fury, he stormed out of 330 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.240 the house, hopped into his truck, armed with a twenty 331 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.960 two caliber revolver, intending to confront the individual that just 332 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:18.680 called him. Tragically, Ron's life came to a sudden end. 333 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:23.359 Only moments later. His truck veered off the road not 334 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:26.640 far from their home, crashing into a tree, and Ron 335 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:28.759 was found lifeless at the wheel. 336 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:30.960 Are you shitting me? 337 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:38.799 Strangely, investigators discovered that Ron's gun had discharged a single 338 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:43.880 bullet before he died. The gunshot residue was found on 339 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:47.319 his hand, no bullet casing or evidence pointing towards what 340 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:50.839 or whom he shot at could ever be located. 341 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.680 Oh my gosh, okay, so what Okay, that's really confusing. 342 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:01.079 So what I'm thinking Potentially he he found this person 343 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:05.480 like right by his home maybe right, and then went 344 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:09.160 to shoot at them and then got in an accident 345 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.880 himself and died, Like, are you kidding? 346 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:12.759 It's possible. 347 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:18.839 That's brutal. Yeah, And also I'm pissed because that sucks. Yeah, Like, 348 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.359 that's the worst. Not only that he never said who 349 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:22.920 the fuck. 350 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:24.680 He never said who it fucking was? 351 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:29.400 Oh my gosh. 352 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:31.599 So who he recognized died with him? 353 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:36.480 Yeah? Yeah, that's so fucking sad too. 354 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:40.680 Now. Adding to the mystery, Ron's blood alcohol content was 355 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:44.160 measured at point six, which is twice illegal and indicating 356 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:46.839 that he had been drinking quite a bit that night. 357 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:52.519 So Sheriff Dwight Radcliffe and his team, included Pickaway County authorities, 358 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:57.279 were unable to find concrete evidence suggesting any sort of 359 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:01.640 foul play. With no definitive proof of the contrary, Sheriff 360 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.720 Ratcliffe concluded that Ron had tragically driven himself off the 361 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:09.160 road into a tree due to his intoxicated state. Ron's 362 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:13.799 relatives found this conclusion really hard to accept because Ron 363 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:16.400 was not known to be a heavy drinker, but the 364 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:20.079 authorities remain unconvinced that anyone else was to blame, leaving 365 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:23.920 a family just kind of sitting there asking what the fuck. 366 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:28.440 Well, yeah, but I mean unless it was it was 367 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:31.279 tested in it, like the labs made a mistake or something. 368 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:35.319 Well, I don't think there was a mistake. There was 369 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:38.559 that blood alcohol content in his body at the time 370 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.119 as far as I can find. Okay, Now, I wasn't 371 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:44.119 able to find anything on anyone saying if he was 372 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:47.920 even drinking that day or anything. But mind you, we 373 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:49.839 are dealing with the situation where they are in high 374 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:52.599 stress right now. Oh yeah, so it is possible that 375 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:54.599 even though he's not a heavy drinker, maybe he was 376 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:57.319 having some drinks being so stressed out. 377 00:20:57.440 --> 00:20:59.839 Just trying to chill or whatever enjoy. 378 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:03.599 Is even correct. So there's a million different little tiny 379 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:08.079 things that play in that situation. However, that still does 380 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:10.039 not explain his gun going off. 381 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.119 Well, yeah, because you said there was gun residue on 382 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:14.000 his hand, right, Yeah, he. 383 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:17.519 Had gun residue on him, the bullet was discharged, They 384 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.400 could not find the casing. They could not find where 385 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:24.119 the bullet was shot towards huh man. 386 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.240 That would be so hard for the family just to 387 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:29.519 move on from that, Yeah, without with having so many 388 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:30.880 unanswered questions like that. 389 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.599 Yeap. So here's the thing I'm thinking, if he was 390 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:38.799 chasing someone, he probably had the gun outside the window 391 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.279 and fired, aka the casing on the ground, not inside 392 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:44.680 the cab. If he did get in an accident and 393 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:48.240 it's an accidental just discharge inside the cab, that casing 394 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.359 is going to be in the cab. Yeah, but it 395 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:53.200 was nowhere to be found. 396 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:57.359 Yeah, So he was shooting at someone and then oh 397 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:01.039 my goodness, I can't believe that that happened where he 398 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:02.920 actually crashed and died. 399 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.839 Right. That's Hollywood, right. 400 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.759 That's a soap opera. It is so. 401 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:13.279 Following Ron's death, the unsettling entire saga in Circleville took 402 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:17.559 an even more strange turn. More residents began receiving letters 403 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:22.839 implicating Sheriff Radcliffe in a cover up related to Ron's 404 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:27.799 death and asserting that Mary and Gordon Massey, the superintendent, 405 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:31.200 were responsible for it. 406 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:31.640 Like Mary his wife. 407 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.880 Correct, That's what the letters were claiming. 408 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:39.799 And I just have to say too, this potentially, now, 409 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:42.839 this person who was writing all these freaking letters or whatever, 410 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:49.559 that's like manslaughter, is it not? It could potentially be 411 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.880 that he like murdered someone. Now I don't know way 412 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.759 so I don't know. I because it wouldn't If it 413 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:58.599 wasn't for him, Ron would not have been all fired 414 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.960 up drinking or whatever going out in the night to 415 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.720 try to freaking get this asshole. I don't know. I 416 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:08.359 know he'd never be charged of it, but I still 417 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.240 think that he is. This person has blood on that 418 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:10.880 I don't know. 419 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:13.920 I don't know. You stressed me out and I drink 420 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:14.839 because of you. Lots. 421 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:21.279 Oh wow, wow, wow wow, just saying I don't know, 422 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:23.440 I think that there's blood on this guy's hands. 423 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:26.599 Now, I mean, if he was physically there and there 424 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.559 was like a little car chase thing or something like 425 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:32.400 that that did happen, I think yes, of course. But 426 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:38.200 I don't think harassment can be implicated into manslaughter. Not 427 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.400 at this degree, I don't think so. 428 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:43.519 Well, yeah, like I'm saying, it would never be in 429 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:46.519 a charge or anything, But I still feel this person 430 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:49.640 Ron wouldn't have been doing any of this if it 431 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:50.599 wasn't for the stuff. 432 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:54.160 No, No, this person definitely played a part in Ron's death. Yeah, 433 00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:57.200 legally speaking, I don't think this is worth a manslaughter 434 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:01.839 charge as far as you know, courts, I don't think 435 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:06.519 that charge would go through it should it should. Now, 436 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:10.039 some believe this cover up thing may be true, and 437 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:14.400 actually point to the fact that Sheriff Ragcliffe disclose to 438 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.839 Paul Ron's brother in law that a person of interest 439 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:23.519 had actually been questioned regarding the incident and apparently had 440 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:26.319 passed a polygraph test. So what this is basically is 441 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:33.279 the accident happened and the sheriff had disclosed that someone 442 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:37.799 was interviewed. Okay, a person of interest was interviewed, asked 443 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:42.960 to polygraph. So basically, if there was a person of interest, 444 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:47.359 then why did they declare an accident If there's a person. 445 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:50.519 Interest, that doesn't make any sense. 446 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:54.440 Right, So in this person of interest is a proven thing. 447 00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:58.240 This is not some hearsay situation. Sheriff Ragcliffe had a 448 00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:59.000 person of interest. 449 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:04.440 Okay, but maybe just for the letters or the harassment. 450 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.119 Yeah, I guess actually that's a point potentially Yeah. 451 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:08.920 Okay. 452 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:14.160 Anyways, though, the whole Circleville letters continue to persist, targeting 453 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:18.000 Mary and Gordon. Of course, the letters continued in their 454 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.640 cruel taunts, claiming, quote, everyone knows what you've done. If 455 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:24.359 you don't believe us, just make them mad and find 456 00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:25.279 out for yourself. 457 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:28.799 Huh. Poor Mary, She's still having to deal with this 458 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.640 shit and she has lost her husband. 459 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:34.880 Correct. It just keeps going. So I missed all this 460 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:39.200 whole drama. Mary's sister in law, Karen Fresher, was going 461 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:43.319 through a divorce with Paul, which prompted Mary to offer 462 00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:45.559 her a place to stay over at her place now 463 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:50.559 and a supply surprising revelation, Mary admitted to her about 464 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:56.279 actually having the affair with Massey really, although she claims 465 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.759 the relationship had allegedly started after the letters began, which 466 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.480 I complete fucking bullshit. 467 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.000 Are you serious? 468 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.440 You're not going to get publicly shamed for a fucking 469 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:12.400 affair and then decide then do well? Okay, I might 470 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.279 as well fucking do it now like're putting me fuck off. 471 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:22.480 Dang, now I feel even worse. Run run yeah, gosh. Now. 472 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:26.799 On February seventh, nineteen eighty three, an even more strange 473 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:32.799 turn occurred along Mary's buffs route unless she was working now. 474 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.759 As Mary was completing her school bus route in Circleville, 475 00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:39.880 she encountered a handwritten sign unlike many she's seen before, 476 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:45.200 at the intersection of Scotio Darby Road and Five Points Pike. 477 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:51.359 The sign contained an absolutely vile re mark about a 478 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:57.240 sexual engagement between her daughter Tracy and of course Massy. 479 00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:02.000 Now this has been occurring now for approximately seven years 480 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:06.000 at this point, why correct if you've been following the 481 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.440 timeline of the dates, we were at about seven years 482 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.559 that these letters and stuff have been going. So Mary 483 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.119 was rather undeterred at this discovery. Really, she's kind of 484 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.960 used to it, right seeing it been there, done that, 485 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.599 So she parked her bus and approached the sign this time. 486 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:26.200 Unbeknownst to Mary, though, the perpetrator had devised a trap 487 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.799 on this sign. You see, the sign was rigged with 488 00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:34.759 a twenty five caliber handgun positioned to fire directly where 489 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.640 she was standing. Once she tore down the sign in anger. 490 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:42.839 Oh my gosh. 491 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:46.960 In an act of remarkable composure. However, Mary didn't tear 492 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:52.079 down the sign. She simply just took it down calmly. 493 00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.240 She took down the whole rig setup, not in haste. 494 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.759 She brought it onto her bus without triggering the gun. 495 00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.960 So she probably didn't even know that there wasn't even. 496 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:09.359 No Once she later inspected a little bit closer that evening, 497 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:13.079 she discovered a small container on the post, which then 498 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.480 revealed the firearm hidden inside, which was pointing directly where 499 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.920 she wash. My gosh, so she were to yank that sign, 500 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.920 it would have pulled a cable and fired the gun 501 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:24.039 where she was standing. 502 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:29.960 Wow yeah, Okay, well that definitely would have been murdered. 503 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:35.359 Yeah yeah. So law enforcement launched an intensive investigation to 504 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:39.640 trace down the ownership of the firearm, and surprisingly this 505 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.640 actually provided a breakthrough in the case, offering a very 506 00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:47.359 crucial lead that could potentially unmask the person responsible for 507 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:51.759 the years of torment and threats. The Ohio Bureau of 508 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:56.799 Criminal Investigation managed to recover a partial serial number from 509 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:01.839 the booby trapped pistol. Someone had attempted to the numbers 510 00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.880 by filing them away, but there was just enough still 511 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:05.559 left over. 512 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:06.559 Oh jeez. 513 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:11.160 To get an identification, the firearm was traced back to 514 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:13.799 Paul Fresher. 515 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:20.839 Oh, the brother in law. Correct, what the shit like 516 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.920 he was the one that wasn't he the one that 517 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.079 wrote the letter? Yes to the other freaking I don't 518 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:27.920 know who David or something? 519 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:35.000 Correct? What? Yeah, Paul is Ron's sister's husband. 520 00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.920 So yeah, ex husband, ex. 521 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.119 Yeah, it was Karen Fresher and now it's Karen Sue. 522 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.319 But yes, Paul, that very same Paul. Now, Karen, as 523 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.640 I mentioned earlier, was going through a divorce with Paul, 524 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.920 and when she was questioned about Paul, she actually disclosed 525 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.880 to the police that her husband had indeed been writing 526 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.240 threatening letters and she believed he was a Circleville letter writer. 527 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.640 She claimed that she found several hidden letters throughout their 528 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.400 home while together. 529 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.279 And she didn't disclose any of this to. 530 00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:13.000 Her sister, correct, which I find suspicious. 531 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.079 Yeah. 532 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:20.000 Paul adamantly denied any involvement in writing the letters, although 533 00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:24.240 he admitted to being the owner and purchasing of that gun. 534 00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.160 Now I'm thinking it's her the sister almost but sorry, 535 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:29.319 keep going well. 536 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.680 Paul claimed it was stolen weeks before the incident. 537 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.839 Oh yeah, it's always was stolen. 538 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:40.319 Very convenient in fact. Yeah, despite his denial, a polygraph 539 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:46.759 test indicated deception. But we do know polygraph tests cannot 540 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:48.440 always be definitive. 541 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.960 Oh. I would fail one of those tests for sure. 542 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.680 Oh, definitely. A police officer pulls me over, just like 543 00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.759 in a speed trap or whatever, you know, like just 544 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.000 a roadblock, going through, sweating, and I'm just like, is 545 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.039 there a brick of cocaine in the back of my vehicle? 546 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:05.759 Like I don't even do drugs, Like what the hell? 547 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:11.200 I'm just like panicked about, Like, am I like harboring something? 548 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:12.960 Oh? Man, I don't. 549 00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:15.680 I don't know. Someone out there has got to sympathize 550 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:15.839 with you. 551 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.680 No, I totally get Okay, I get it. 552 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:19.960 I'm not alone. 553 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.799 Yeah that's yeah. No, I would be sweating, like sweating away. 554 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:26.039 There would be no way that I would pass. 555 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.440 Yeah. Well Paul didn't pass, And I'm pretty sure Paul 556 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.920 would be sweating right about now because he was actually 557 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:36.519 quickly arrested. Yeah, And throughout the investigation and subsequent trial, 558 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.720 the motive behind these threats and letters, especially to his 559 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.480 you know, in laws, remained a part of the puzzle 560 00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:45.680 that no one was able to really ever seem to 561 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:49.319 put together. Paul was of course questioned on it why 562 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.279 he did all these things, but he stood strong in 563 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:55.400 his claim of innocence. But the evidence against Paul was 564 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:00.279 just too overwhelming. Paul would eventually get bail, and he 565 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.799 was volunt he volunteeringly, yeah, I can't talk. Sorry, He 566 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:08.200 voluntarily there we go, admitted himself to a mental health 567 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.440 center at Riverside Hospital. Now some say possibly in an 568 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.119 attempt to persuade, yeah, to get a plea of not 569 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.119 guilty by reason of insanity, saying like, hey, look, you 570 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.640 know I'm in a mental facility sort of thing. Hey, 571 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.000 clearly there's something going on, right, because he did have 572 00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:29.640 a trial coming up now, Regardless of that, as the 573 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:35.119 investigation continues continued handwriting analysis would play a pivotal role 574 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:40.079 in this case. Samples from Paul's employment records would be 575 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:43.480 deemed a match for three hundred and ninety one of 576 00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.960 the individual letters, not like a page letter, but like 577 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.680 the A letter, a letter c like you know, individual 578 00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:54.839 letters and three hundred sorry, one hundred and three postcards 579 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.119 that was sent to Jalespe residents and others. 580 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:03.519 Oh seriously match correct See I'm I was really thinking 581 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.599 it wasn't him. Just sit in here, listen to you. 582 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.160 I'm like, it's not him. 583 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.519 You might still want to hold on to that. 584 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:12.759 Thought, because I really am thinking that. 585 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.799 No, Like, no, you might want to still hold on 586 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:16.440 to that thought. 587 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.440 Okay, I'm sticking to it. 588 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:22.720 Then, Paul claimed, though, that the match only occurred not 589 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.680 through records of employment, but only because Sheriff Radcliffe had 590 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:32.720 asked him to mimic the offending letters for investigation and 591 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.799 comparison purposes, and that's where they got the match. So 592 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.680 what he's saying is the officer told me to copy 593 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.759 the letter to see if what my version of it 594 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.599 would look like in comparison, and then they took that 595 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:50.319 and matched it the shit. That's what Paul is claiming. 596 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.920 I couldn't find if that was a factual claim or not. However, 597 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.319 Paul was indicted by a grand jury on March of 598 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.119 nineteen eighty three and faced tie in October of the 599 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.839 same year. The trial lasted just one week, with the 600 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.599 jury deliberating for a mere two and a half hours 601 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:16.920 before rendering a guilty correct jeez. Paul was convicted of 602 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.960 attempted murder for using the firearm in the potential arm 603 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.800 of Mary Jelysbie. Although he was not formally charged with 604 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.239 writing the letters thirty nine of which letters were entered 605 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:32.639 into evidence during the trial, so officially in the court documents, 606 00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:38.159 he was never charged or connected to being the writer. However, 607 00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:41.320 he was connected for using the firearm in attempted murder. 608 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.199 Okay, because it was his gun, correct, Okay? 609 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.519 Now, Judge William Amner sentenced Paul to seven to twenty 610 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.400 five years in prison, with an additional three years for 611 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.320 controlling a firearm due to the offense. Now, Circleville residents 612 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.880 hoped that with Paul behind bars, letters would stop, but 613 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:02.760 they did not. 614 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:04.639 Okay, yep. 615 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:09.679 The Circleville letters continued to haunt the town even after 616 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:14.679 Paul was imprisoned, with hundreds of letters still being received, 617 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:22.079 including Paul himself receiving letters from behind bars even while 618 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.760 he was in solitary confinement. 619 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:31.320 Oh my gosh, that I would just I. Oh, he's 620 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:32.679 gonna lose his fucking mind. 621 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:37.320 Yeah. So, with Paul incarcerated, the prison warden stated that 622 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.199 he couldn't have sent these letters as there was no 623 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:43.519 way you could access pens or paper, raising questions of 624 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.440 course about the true senders identity. Right, So here we 625 00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:49.840 have an individual sitting in a cell without pens, without papers, 626 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.760 even at times being in solitary confinement, letters are still 627 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.480 being sent out. In fact, he's even received at least. 628 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:04.079 One dang wow, this poor guy. Yeah, and you know what, 629 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.760 I okay, because when you said that he had admitted 630 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:11.639 himself to a hospital, right, yeah, I was almost thinking, 631 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:13.679 because there was so much evidence you were saying that 632 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.559 was pointing to him that he was probably losing his 633 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.079 fucking mind and being like holy shit, like am I like, 634 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.679 am I actually doing this? Like quescating himself? Right? 635 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:25.679 Yeah? Questioning his own sanity? 636 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:26.239 Yeah. 637 00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.480 Yeah, So some people may have said it was because 638 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.280 he was searching for a plea deal of insanity. He 639 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:33.840 might have actually thought, maybe I am going nuts here, 640 00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:35.960 like I don't know if I am writing these letters, 641 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:36.960 but these people are saying I. 642 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.760 Am, like, I'm losing my mind here. I need help. 643 00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.920 Yeah. Yeah, So maybe it was a literal cry for help, 644 00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.360 or because people were pointing their fingers at him, he 645 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:53.280 was just believing them. Now, I mean, despite Paul's release 646 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:56.719 that would come in May of nineteen ninety four after 647 00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.000 serving ten years. 648 00:36:58.280 --> 00:36:59.559 Oh, you're kidding. 649 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.920 He still maintained his innocence. He served his time ten 650 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.800 years because he was given seven to. 651 00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.800 Twenty five oh ten years of his life. 652 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:12.400 Correct, So he was released on parole after ten years. Now, 653 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.199 the question still remains, was it actually Paul? This also 654 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.039 brings up another question. Maybe it was him and he 655 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:23.400 had an accomplice. Maybe Paul was doing this but while 656 00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:26.000 he was in prison he had someone helping him from 657 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:29.679 the outside too, or was it just someone else entirely. 658 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.760 One theory regarding Paul suggests that he might have had 659 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.480 help while in jail, of course with his motives. Sorry, 660 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:41.320 but with his motive, but he was maybe trying to 661 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:45.440 demonstrate loyalty to his wife Karen, because I mean, they 662 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.039 were in a rocky relationship, right, So the theory says 663 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:55.000 Karen's brother Ron might have known about Mary's affair. This 664 00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:00.000 theory basically says that Paul and Karen were covertly attempt 665 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.760 to put an end to the affair, although the motives 666 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.079 remained speculative, but basically saying that he's trying to show Karen, 667 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.199 his wife with a deteriorating relationship, that I'm a good guy. 668 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.800 We're gonna fight for a good relationship even in these 669 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:18.559 other people. Okay, so yeah, if that makes any sense, 670 00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:21.199 This theory doesn't make sense to me. But that's supposedly 671 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.960 what it is. That's why he did it. 672 00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.079 That he but then that he didn't actually write the 673 00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.320 other letters. It was just those ones that he wrote. 674 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.079 I don't know, Okay, Like I said, this theory, I 675 00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:33.679 don't get it. 676 00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.079 Yeah, I really don't. It's odd. 677 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.920 So basically he's like, oh, there's this other affair going on, 678 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.039 so through these letters, we're going to try and like 679 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.679 make them make up or make things right. But that 680 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.960 doesn't explain why he's sending letters elsewhere outwhere to other 681 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.199 people or maybe the signs in the road bringing the 682 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.000 daughter into it, you know, Like it doesn't make sense 683 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:54.239 to me. 684 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.000 Well, yeah, because that daughter would be his niece. So 685 00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.000 that's horrible. 686 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.760 Exactly outside of that one. Suspicion also, of course, fell 687 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.239 on as you said earlier, Karen, who had spoken against 688 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.199 her ex husband to the police, and as you had 689 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.719 already mentioned, had access to said firearm. 690 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:12.199 MM. 691 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:17.199 Now, considering their strange marriage and divorce proceedings that included 692 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:22.639 allegations of abuse, Oh yeah, some speculated that she might 693 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:27.360 have framed Paul out of spite, especially after he gained 694 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.360 custody of their children in the separation. 695 00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.840 Okay, but then it's that I mean, I feel like, 696 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.760 I don't know, she seems sketchy to me. But also 697 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:40.760 I don't think that she would have gone about trying 698 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.239 to kill her sister necessarily exactly. 699 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.840 That brings up the question on why would she put 700 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:50.719 Mary at risk? Yeah, so who's who's to say? 701 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:57.119 I also think that rat was Radcliffe. Radcliffe the like, sorry, 702 00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.559 I don't know what that in my voice there? Yeah, 703 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.079 is a a little bit sketch as well. 704 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:03.679 Yeah, well that the letters are even saying that, hey, 705 00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:05.519 he covered him up with this death. 706 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.599 Right, Yeah, I think he's sketched too. 707 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.480 And then Paul is saying that, hey, he made me 708 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:13.760 duplicate these letters and is now using that as evidence. Yeah, 709 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.639 so there is some shady shit going on, at least 710 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:22.960 shady allegations going on towards them. So whoo's to know? Now? 711 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.440 A crucial lead in the case that had left a 712 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.800 lot of people wondering about the true identity involved an 713 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:32.000 eyewitness account from another bus driver working the day that 714 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:37.079 Mary discovered the booby trapped sign. There was in fact 715 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:41.079 an eyewitness. Now, this witness reported seeing a yellow el 716 00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:45.280 Camino parked at the intersection with a man apparently pretending 717 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:50.039 to urinate, who bore absolutely no resemblance to Paul at all. 718 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.440 But this just kind of got swept under the rug 719 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.280 and nothing ever happened of it. So many people think 720 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.920 that this stranger driving the yellow el Camino who was 721 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.480 pretending to take a piss could have been the individual 722 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.440 setting up the sign and could be the letter writer. 723 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.719 Okay, but then you would think, I don't know that 724 00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.800 that vehicle would be so recognizable, though, I agree. 725 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.119 In town, right, you would think in a small town 726 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.440 of fourteen thousand people, you'd be able to pick out 727 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:20.360 a yellow Alchemune. 728 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:20.840 Yeah. 729 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.079 I know. For me, I drive an orange pickup truck 730 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.440 in a town of eighty thousand people. People see me 731 00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:28.039 all the fucking time. 732 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.280 Yeah. Yeah. Do you regret that life decision. 733 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:36.400 A little bit? Now, this man has never been identified. 734 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:37.920 Like I said, it's just kind of been swept under 735 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.800 the rug, and it's kind of an unresolved piece of 736 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:44.840 the puzzle sort of thing. Now, in nineteen ninety three, 737 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.159 when the television show that We All Know and Love 738 00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:52.760 Unsolved Mysteries delved into the case. Okay, now, the production 739 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.480 itself actually became a target of the letter writer, receiving 740 00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:03.000 a chilling anonymous letter directly too curiously. Yes, it was 741 00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:09.760 ominously signed quote the Circleville writer, and it said, among 742 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:14.159 some of the things, quote forget Circleville, Ohio. If you 743 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.119 come to Ohio, you L sickos will pay. 744 00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:20.880 Oh my gosh. 745 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.440 Hey, now this is actually something. I didn't draw this 746 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:25.920 connection while I was writing this, but I just realized 747 00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.719 if there is a connection with the El Camino and 748 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:33.480 calling them l sickos, what do you mean? Sorry, because 749 00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.880 the yellow car that was seen with El Camino. Oh, 750 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:42.599 I just drew that connection. I don't even know if 751 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:44.880 there's anything there. Huh, Well, I just want to throw 752 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:45.840 that out there. Saw it. 753 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.639 I have to say, this person clearly has way too 754 00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:49.840 much time on their hands. 755 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:51.639 Yeah, I think so too. 756 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.480 This has been going on for years. That's crazy. 757 00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:58.599 Now, during the time when the show was actually filming 758 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:00.639 and they got this letter, Paul had pleaded with the 759 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.960 show to investigate letters further, but not much came out 760 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.079 through the investigation. It was just kind of like, oh, 761 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.800 there's another letter, just like all the other hundreds and 762 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.599 hundreds and hundreds and what do you do? So anyways, 763 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:14.280 it would be the year after that that Paul would 764 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:18.360 actually be released on parole, and that is the same 765 00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:23.360 time that the letters ceased. No one received another one. 766 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:24.679 The signs stopped. 767 00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:27.280 That's really weird. 768 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:32.039 Actually, yeah, so Paul, who consistently denied being the writer 769 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:36.480 passed away in twenty twelve, maintained his innocence to the 770 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:42.639 very end. In twenty twenty one, a forensic examination conducted 771 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:48.000 by CBS the forty eight Hours Team brought fresh scrutiny 772 00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:53.000 to the case. Former FBI profiler Mary Ellen O'Toole, along 773 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:59.119 with forensic document expert Beaverly East, analyzed the letters. While 774 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:03.079 Mary didn't be Paul's, Paul matched the profile of the 775 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:08.599 controlling and vindictive writer described by the letters Beverly. Beverly 776 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.679 pointed to the striking similarity in the letter G in 777 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.039 Paul's handwriting and how it bore a resemblance to the 778 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.920 number six in the Circleville letters, which to me kind 779 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:21.440 of I don't know, a bit of a stretch. The 780 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.519 G looks like a six. Sure, Okay, I'm pretty sure 781 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:26.360 if we write two things down. There's gonna be some 782 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:27.480 minor similarities like that. 783 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:28.079 Totally. 784 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.599 He needs something stronger than that to me, Yeah, yeah, 785 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:36.519 But apparently this rose some suspicion in his potential involvement. Now, 786 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:42.199 this one really gets me. Some of Paul's fingerprints were 787 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.920 found on some of the letter writers letters that were 788 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:51.800 sent out. Really, however, his fingerprints were found on the 789 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:56.840 letters that were sent out while he was incarcerated in prison. 790 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.559 What the actual shit? 791 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:06.000 Yeah? So either he was managing to write from prison still. 792 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.320 Or he had he had letters that he had already 793 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:10.480 that were saved or whatever, right. 794 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.400 Letters already written, or someone was fabricating them using somehow 795 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.280 I don't know if they were what kind of technology 796 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.280 they would have used to duplicate or replicate fingerprints? Who knows, 797 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:26.960 latex molds or something. But while he was in prison, 798 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.360 letters being sent out some contained his fingerprints. 799 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.000 Dang. I thought I had this all figured. 800 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.960 Out, but that's but I want to throw one more ballpark, 801 00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.960 little curveball in there. Okay, what if it was just 802 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.719 paper that Paul had handled, and then the letters were 803 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.119 written afterwards by someone who I don't know lived in 804 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:50.840 the same household. Yeah, what if Paul just happened to, 805 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.159 I don't know, fill up the printer paper tray one day, 806 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:59.679 and then the wife, while Paul's in prison, takes a 807 00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.800 stack of those papers and starts using them to write letters. 808 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:10.440 Yeah, holy shit, this case, this literally seems like a 809 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:11.840 real life soap opera to me. 810 00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:13.199 Yeah, it really is. 811 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:14.480 This is unbelievable. 812 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:20.719 Yeah. Well, the police consider the evidence inconclusive. They've closed 813 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.960 the investigation on the mystery of the Circle Bill letters. 814 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:26.599 With all these eerie threats that stand a mystery still, 815 00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.519 and Paul did officially serve time, not for the letters, 816 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.960 but for the incident with the pistol. As for the 817 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:40.119 writer's true identity, though it may forever be unknown and 818 00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:41.000 remain a mystery. 819 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:44.000 Wow, this one sure is. 820 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.239 A freaking humdinger and a half. 821 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:50.199 Yeah, might like wheels are turning, it's. 822 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.920 A mystery of the Circleville letter writer. 823 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.559 Huh. But I was also going to say, too, like 824 00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:00.000 the person that was writing them they just randomly stopped. 825 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.360 It seemed they could have passed away too, right. 826 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.239 That's true, But it also could have been that they 827 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.119 were specifically trying to coincide with his exiting in prison. Yeah, 828 00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:10.559 a ploy of some sort. 829 00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.760 But I mean that doesn't super make sense, because when 830 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.800 he's out of prison, it would have been much easier 831 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:18.960 for him to write the letter, to continue writing the letters, true, 832 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.199 than when he was in prison still being able to 833 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:22.559 do it. 834 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.960 True. But I mean, he's some people are probably gonna 835 00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:29.199 speculate that he has someone outside helping him write the letters. 836 00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:32.760 So he's in prison, he's angry, he's communicating with him, 837 00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.800 keep writing the letters, and then when he's out, Okay, 838 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:39.039 fuck it, let's forget about this, let's get on with life. 839 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.079 So maybe it was a ploy of like showing that, 840 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:43.920 you know what, fuck it, he's done, he's over. It's 841 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.559 behind him now. So maybe someone was really trying to 842 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.920 paint the picture of that. Yeah it is Paul, mm 843 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:50.159 hmm hmm. 844 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:56.760 Man. Was this rad what is his name again? Radcliffe? 845 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:58.880 Yes, Officer Radcliffe, Sheriff Radcliffe. 846 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.840 I believe it was. Was. Are they investigated at all? 847 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.840 I wonder I problem. 848 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:06.559 Not as far as I was able to find. No. 849 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:08.440 I kind of looked into it a little bit and 850 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.920 I wasn't able to find anything regarding it. I wasn't 851 00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:14.920 able to find a lot of information regarding what sort 852 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.320 of investigations even really took place at all. 853 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:21.960 Well, they might have just thought, yep, Paul's the guy, 854 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:26.199 like we got him. Yeah, who knows how much was 855 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:27.719 really done behind the scenes, right, It's. 856 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.480 Always hard to tell, And especially in a case like this, 857 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.360 where it's, like, you say, a soap opera, how do 858 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.199 you even keep track of shit like that? It's at 859 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.239 a certain point it just becomes this mess of what 860 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:37.280 the fuck is going on? 861 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:41.039 Yeah, And to be honest, if I was in this 862 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:45.079 kind of situation, I feel like I would probably check 863 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.039 into a hospital too. I'd be losing my fucking mind. Yeah, 864 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.519 fair enough, Like I feel like sometimes I have to 865 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:55.039 do that now and like all that wild shit's not happening. Yeah, Like, 866 00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:56.360 holy moly. 867 00:48:57.719 --> 00:48:59.920 So are you convinced or not convinced that it was Paul? 868 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.840 You know, I was pretty convinced that it wasn't Paul. 869 00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.599 But the fingerprints on the freaking letter are getting me? 870 00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:11.320 Okay, how about this all? 871 00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:11.480 Right? 872 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.840 Do you think he set up the gun letters? Aside? 873 00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:16.679 Do you think he did that sign with the gun? 874 00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:20.000 No? 875 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.599 No, I don't think so either. It doesn't make sense, yeah, why, But. 876 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.480 It also doesn't make sense that the sister would do it, 877 00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:32.280 or his wife or whatever. You know, Yeah, unless who knows. Maybe, 878 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:36.639 like sometimes siblings have weird relationships. Maybe she actually hated 879 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:37.159 her sister. 880 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.360 Yeah, who knows. 881 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:45.719 Family like sometimes family drama, like it's deep true true. 882 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.119 I remember one time, when I was about six years old, 883 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:51.159 my sister stole a particularly long French fry from amat 884 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:56.559 McDonald's Happy Meal. Wow, it's upset me to this day, 885 00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:01.079 and I am always looking for the opportunity to venge 886 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:02.000 that fry. 887 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:05.840 Oh my gosh, I have heard of this numerous times. 888 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:07.960 That is so bizarre. 889 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.119 It was the largest McDonald's French fry I had ever had, 890 00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:13.119 and I was like, oh my god, this thing's huge. 891 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.239 And she's just like yoink, nabs it out of my 892 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.280 hand and shoves it in her mouth. I hate you, Robin, 893 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.639 poor poor are you hey? Yeah? 894 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.639 It's bullshit, Oh my gosh. And to this day, you've 895 00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:27.400 never found a longer French front. 896 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.519 No, I haven't. I do want to say, I don't 897 00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.719 hate my sister, Robin, but I hate that you did that, 898 00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:35.039 and I will get vengeance. If you are listening, Robin, 899 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:40.119 I will. There will come a day where I seek vengeance. 900 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.880 And I fulfill my destiny on getting you back. 901 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.880 Okay, Well, on that note, I think Ben needs to 902 00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:49.280 go to bed or something. 903 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:53.039 Sibling drama is strong and true and the roots go deep. 904 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:55.639 Just like you said, I know, but now I'm regretting 905 00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.639 saying that. I'm almost like afraid of what have I 906 00:50:58.760 --> 00:50:59.360 done to you. 907 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.280 That you were Do you want me to go off 908 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:02.000 because I can. 909 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:04.440 No, No, I'm good. No. 910 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.480 What I will go off on, though, is I will 911 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:08.480 go off on you guys and tell you that all 912 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:11.320 of our information is in the description of this podcast. 913 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.880 You can find Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, you name it, Patreon, 914 00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.159 It's all down there. You can go ahead and support 915 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:19.760 us in any way you want. If you're here just 916 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:24.119 listening right now. That is incredible and we so appreciate it, 917 00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.280 and we will really appreciate tomorrow. 918 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.760 When you tune in for Halloween week. 919 00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:33.039 For Halloween Week, it's gonna be awesome. And like I said, 920 00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.800 we're going to start it off with Margarita's tomorrow, So 921 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.559 if you want to make Margarita and join us with that, 922 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:38.440 that'd be so cool. 923 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:39.679 I think you should. 924 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:41.920 Make sure you post on your social media and tag 925 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.400 us so we can see your margarita's while you listen 926 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:46.519 to the first Halloween Week. 927 00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:48.639 Yeah, do a story or something. We'll share the shit 928 00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:52.760 out of those. It'll be so fun. Yes, love that idea. 929 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.599 Okay, well, we're going to go get some sleep because 930 00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:57.639 we got a big day of making sure we have 931 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:02.039 everything organized, shit together for Halloween Week. So let's we'll 932 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.239 talk to you guys later. Have a good one, and 933 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:05.599 of course until next time. 934 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.159 Until next time, stay wicked.